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"For many across the world, Trump's victory has stoked uncertainty over the future of global climate action. Trump has long deemed climate change a “hoax”, railing against Biden’s climate policies and dismissing threats like rising sea levels. During his last term, he attempted to roll back around 100 environmental bills. Promises have been made this time around to row back spending on green energy, exit vital international climate agreements and bring about a new wave of drilling for oil and gas which he has called “liquid gold”. Having worked on oil rigs for 30 years and owning a large number of Oil Corporation shares as well as a healthy Pension, this is Excellent News for myself aswell as excellent news for work colleagues and World Oil & Gas companies. Obviously the UK will lose out as Starmer has put a stop on new North Sea Exploration but great news on a whole. How do You feel about this fantastic news." I couldn’t care less, I have huge investments in other areas, making a fortune , I wouldn’t expect you to care about them either | |||
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"Shares in European clean energy groups plummeted on Wednesday after Donald Trump was elected president of the United States, as investors fretted over a potential dismantling of U.S. support for renewables and climate policy. Trump had vowed to scrap offshore wind projects through an executive order on his first day in office and to roll back climate regulations implemented under President Joe Biden. That includes leaving the Paris Agreement, under which countries pledge to limit global warming, and potentially undoing Biden's flagship Inflation Reduction Act, which provides massive subsidies and incentives to clean energy technologies. The world's largest offshore wind developer Orsted (ORSTED.CO), opens new tab fell as much as 14% while wind turbine makers Vestas (VWS.CO), opens new tab and Nordex (NDXG.DE), opens new tab traded down around 11% and 7.6%, respectively. Drill Baby Drill" How much are your shares worth? | |||
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"Sounds very sensible. I’m sure the UK/EU can look forward to enjoying America’s success from afar while we freeze in the cold and dark and await the early morning two hour walk to the mouldy office (assuming anyone has still got a job). Maybe they will send us some food parcels." Are you struggling for money? | |||
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"Sounds very sensible. I’m sure the UK/EU can look forward to enjoying America’s success from afar while we freeze in the cold and dark and await the early morning two hour walk to the mouldy office (assuming anyone has still got a job). Maybe they will send us some food parcels. Are you struggling for money? " Well I have a lot less than I did two months ago thanks to the decline in the UK stock market caused by Labour policies. Who knows who will have a job six months from now? Businesses will be looking to make savings. | |||
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"Sounds very sensible. I’m sure the UK/EU can look forward to enjoying America’s success from afar while we freeze in the cold and dark and await the early morning two hour walk to the mouldy office (assuming anyone has still got a job). Maybe they will send us some food parcels. Are you struggling for money? Well I have a lot less than I did two months ago thanks to the decline in the UK stock market caused by Labour policies. Who knows who will have a job six months from now? Businesses will be looking to make savings. " Really? Have you considered a second job? | |||
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"Sounds very sensible. I’m sure the UK/EU can look forward to enjoying America’s success from afar while we freeze in the cold and dark and await the early morning two hour walk to the mouldy office (assuming anyone has still got a job). Maybe they will send us some food parcels. Are you struggling for money? Well I have a lot less than I did two months ago thanks to the decline in the UK stock market caused by Labour policies. Who knows who will have a job six months from now? Businesses will be looking to make savings. Really? Have you considered a second job? " I see. So is this Labours official policy? If people are made worse off by Labour policies they should go and get a second job? | |||
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"Sounds very sensible. I’m sure the UK/EU can look forward to enjoying America’s success from afar while we freeze in the cold and dark and await the early morning two hour walk to the mouldy office (assuming anyone has still got a job). Maybe they will send us some food parcels. Are you struggling for money? Well I have a lot less than I did two months ago thanks to the decline in the UK stock market caused by Labour policies. Who knows who will have a job six months from now? Businesses will be looking to make savings. Really? Have you considered a second job? I see. So is this Labours official policy? If people are made worse off by Labour policies they should go and get a second job? " I am not the PM, or a labour MP, just a suggestion, or maybe cancel Netflix? You might have a better paid job in IT, you just don’t know it  | |||
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"Sounds very sensible. I’m sure the UK/EU can look forward to enjoying America’s success from afar while we freeze in the cold and dark and await the early morning two hour walk to the mouldy office (assuming anyone has still got a job). Maybe they will send us some food parcels. Are you struggling for money? Well I have a lot less than I did two months ago thanks to the decline in the UK stock market caused by Labour policies. Who knows who will have a job six months from now? Businesses will be looking to make savings. Really? Have you considered a second job? I see. So is this Labours official policy? If people are made worse off by Labour policies they should go and get a second job? I am not the PM, or a labour MP, just a suggestion, or maybe cancel Netflix? You might have a better paid job in IT, you just don’t know it "I can’t afford things like Netflix. Another champagne socialist! | |||
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"Sounds very sensible. I’m sure the UK/EU can look forward to enjoying America’s success from afar while we freeze in the cold and dark and await the early morning two hour walk to the mouldy office (assuming anyone has still got a job). Maybe they will send us some food parcels. Are you struggling for money? Well I have a lot less than I did two months ago thanks to the decline in the UK stock market caused by Labour policies. Who knows who will have a job six months from now? Businesses will be looking to make savings. Really? Have you considered a second job? I see. So is this Labours official policy? If people are made worse off by Labour policies they should go and get a second job? I am not the PM, or a labour MP, just a suggestion, or maybe cancel Netflix? You might have a better paid job in IT, you just don’t know it
I can’t afford things like Netflix.
Another champagne socialist!"Sorry to hear that, how about moving to US, get yourself on trump gravy train | |||
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"Sounds very sensible. I’m sure the UK/EU can look forward to enjoying America’s success from afar while we freeze in the cold and dark and await the early morning two hour walk to the mouldy office (assuming anyone has still got a job). Maybe they will send us some food parcels. Are you struggling for money? Well I have a lot less than I did two months ago thanks to the decline in the UK stock market caused by Labour policies. Who knows who will have a job six months from now? Businesses will be looking to make savings. Really? Have you considered a second job? I see. So is this Labours official policy? If people are made worse off by Labour policies they should go and get a second job? I am not the PM, or a labour MP, just a suggestion, or maybe cancel Netflix? You might have a better paid job in IT, you just don’t know it
I can’t afford things like Netflix.
Another champagne socialist!
Sorry to hear that, how about moving to US, get yourself on trump gravy train "I am actually thinking about leaving, for the first time in my life. Sad but probably inevitable. How do you feel about Miliband? Is he going to save the planet or is he just a sad loser who’s got nothing to do with his life? | |||
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"Sounds very sensible. I’m sure the UK/EU can look forward to enjoying America’s success from afar while we freeze in the cold and dark and await the early morning two hour walk to the mouldy office (assuming anyone has still got a job). Maybe they will send us some food parcels. Are you struggling for money? Well I have a lot less than I did two months ago thanks to the decline in the UK stock market caused by Labour policies. Who knows who will have a job six months from now? Businesses will be looking to make savings. Really? Have you considered a second job? I see. So is this Labours official policy? If people are made worse off by Labour policies they should go and get a second job? I am not the PM, or a labour MP, just a suggestion, or maybe cancel Netflix? You might have a better paid job in IT, you just don’t know it
I can’t afford things like Netflix.
Another champagne socialist!
Sorry to hear that, how about moving to US, get yourself on trump gravy train
I am actually thinking about leaving, for the first time in my life.
Sad but probably inevitable.
How do you feel about Miliband? Is he going to save the planet or is he just a sad loser who’s got nothing to do with his life?"I like Ed, knows what he is doing, I doubt you will get into the US, they don’t like immigrants stealing their jobs. | |||
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"Sounds very sensible. I’m sure the UK/EU can look forward to enjoying America’s success from afar while we freeze in the cold and dark and await the early morning two hour walk to the mouldy office (assuming anyone has still got a job). Maybe they will send us some food parcels. Are you struggling for money? Well I have a lot less than I did two months ago thanks to the decline in the UK stock market caused by Labour policies. Who knows who will have a job six months from now? Businesses will be looking to make savings. Really? Have you considered a second job? I see. So is this Labours official policy? If people are made worse off by Labour policies they should go and get a second job? I am not the PM, or a labour MP, just a suggestion, or maybe cancel Netflix? You might have a better paid job in IT, you just don’t know it
I can’t afford things like Netflix.
Another champagne socialist!
Sorry to hear that, how about moving to US, get yourself on trump gravy train
I am actually thinking about leaving, for the first time in my life.
Sad but probably inevitable.
How do you feel about Miliband? Is he going to save the planet or is he just a sad loser who’s got nothing to do with his life?
I like Ed, knows what he is doing, I doubt you will get into the US, they don’t like immigrants stealing their jobs. "I could probably get a flight to Mexico and walk across the border. Still a chance in the next couple of months. I think I would get a monthly stipend. Alternatively could fly to France and come back by boat. Claim to be an Afghan schoolgirl and get plenty of free stuff. | |||
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"Sounds very sensible. I’m sure the UK/EU can look forward to enjoying America’s success from afar while we freeze in the cold and dark and await the early morning two hour walk to the mouldy office (assuming anyone has still got a job). Maybe they will send us some food parcels. Are you struggling for money? Well I have a lot less than I did two months ago thanks to the decline in the UK stock market caused by Labour policies. Who knows who will have a job six months from now? Businesses will be looking to make savings. Really? Have you considered a second job? I see. So is this Labours official policy? If people are made worse off by Labour policies they should go and get a second job? I am not the PM, or a labour MP, just a suggestion, or maybe cancel Netflix? You might have a better paid job in IT, you just don’t know it
I can’t afford things like Netflix.
Another champagne socialist!
Sorry to hear that, how about moving to US, get yourself on trump gravy train
I am actually thinking about leaving, for the first time in my life.
Sad but probably inevitable.
How do you feel about Miliband? Is he going to save the planet or is he just a sad loser who’s got nothing to do with his life?
I like Ed, knows what he is doing, I doubt you will get into the US, they don’t like immigrants stealing their jobs.
I could probably get a flight to Mexico and walk across the border. Still a chance in the next couple of months. I think I would get a monthly stipend.
Alternatively could fly to France and come back by boat. Claim to be an Afghan schoolgirl and get plenty of free stuff. "Nah, you will never get over trumps wall | |||
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"AI is going to improve exponentially over the next 18 months, by 2026, it will be developing viable solutions to row back climate change, which will take 20 years to take effect. TRUMP might support Oil and Gas/Exxon mobile, climate change creators, but someone still needs to pay for the fall out of all the natural disasters, storms etc. I guess the compensation for that comes from the global re-insurance industry and not the USA Tax payer. Trump is scum. " Before we point at oil producers what about food production which accounts for over a quarter (26%) of global greenhouse gas emissions. Half of the world's habitable land is used for agriculture. 83% of farmland produces 60% of global agriculture's greenhouse gas emissions The climate damage caused by meat production would make a significant reduction in the global carbon footprint. | |||
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"Sounds very sensible. I’m sure the UK/EU can look forward to enjoying America’s success from afar while we freeze in the cold and dark and await the early morning two hour walk to the mouldy office (assuming anyone has still got a job). Maybe they will send us some food parcels. Are you struggling for money? Well I have a lot less than I did two months ago thanks to the decline in the UK stock market caused by Labour policies. Who knows who will have a job six months from now? Businesses will be looking to make savings. " Invest in Oil Corporations and closer to home Rolls Royce (nuclear) BAE systems rocketed over last 3 years and may continue depending on what Trump does with Ukraine and Israel Stick with oil companies for the long term and what ever you do keep well away from GB Energy Use your dividends to purchase more. | |||
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"For many across the world, Trump's victory has stoked uncertainty over the future of global climate action. Trump has long deemed climate change a “hoax”, railing against Biden’s climate policies and dismissing threats like rising sea levels. During his last term, he attempted to roll back around 100 environmental bills. Promises have been made this time around to row back spending on green energy, exit vital international climate agreements and bring about a new wave of drilling for oil and gas which he has called “liquid gold”. Having worked on oil rigs for 30 years and owning a large number of Oil Corporation shares as well as a healthy Pension, this is Excellent News for myself aswell as excellent news for work colleagues and World Oil & Gas companies. Obviously the UK will lose out as Starmer has put a stop on new North Sea Exploration but great news on a whole. How do You feel about this fantastic news." I feel like you're excited about climate change (which is weird), or you don't understand climate change (which is likely the result of misinformation in fringe elements of the media funded by the fossil fuels industry). | |||
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"Sounds very sensible. I’m sure the UK/EU can look forward to enjoying America’s success from afar while we freeze in the cold and dark and await the early morning two hour walk to the mouldy office (assuming anyone has still got a job). Maybe they will send us some food parcels. Are you struggling for money? Well I have a lot less than I did two months ago thanks to the decline in the UK stock market caused by Labour policies. Who knows who will have a job six months from now? Businesses will be looking to make savings. Invest in Oil Corporations and closer to home Rolls Royce (nuclear) BAE systems rocketed over last 3 years and may continue depending on what Trump does with Ukraine and Israel Stick with oil companies for the long term and what ever you do keep well away from GB Energy Use your dividends to purchase more." Out of interest, how much have you got invested, | |||
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"Sounds very sensible. I’m sure the UK/EU can look forward to enjoying America’s success from afar while we freeze in the cold and dark and await the early morning two hour walk to the mouldy office (assuming anyone has still got a job). Maybe they will send us some food parcels. Are you struggling for money? Well I have a lot less than I did two months ago thanks to the decline in the UK stock market caused by Labour policies. Who knows who will have a job six months from now? Businesses will be looking to make savings. Invest in Oil Corporations and closer to home Rolls Royce (nuclear) BAE systems rocketed over last 3 years and may continue depending on what Trump does with Ukraine and Israel Stick with oil companies for the long term and what ever you do keep well away from GB Energy Use your dividends to purchase more. Out of interest, how much have you got invested, " Will you be investing in GB Energy? Ed says it’s going to be a great investment. | |||
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"AI is going to improve exponentially over the next 18 months, by 2026, it will be developing viable solutions to row back climate change, which will take 20 years to take effect. TRUMP might support Oil and Gas/Exxon mobile, climate change creators, but someone still needs to pay for the fall out of all the natural disasters, storms etc. I guess the compensation for that comes from the global re-insurance industry and not the USA Tax payer. Trump is scum. " In fairness, Trump has said he doesn't understand climate change and that he things science isn't real. Maybe that's better than those who know the damage they are doing, and simply don't give a fuck. | |||
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"AI is going to improve exponentially over the next 18 months, by 2026, it will be developing viable solutions to row back climate change, which will take 20 years to take effect. TRUMP might support Oil and Gas/Exxon mobile, climate change creators, but someone still needs to pay for the fall out of all the natural disasters, storms etc. I guess the compensation for that comes from the global re-insurance industry and not the USA Tax payer. Trump is scum. In fairness, Trump has said he doesn't understand climate change and that he things science isn't real. Maybe that's better than those who know the damage they are doing, and simply don't give a fuck." did he actually say science isn’t real or climate science? | |||
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"AI is going to improve exponentially over the next 18 months, by 2026, it will be developing viable solutions to row back climate change, which will take 20 years to take effect. TRUMP might support Oil and Gas/Exxon mobile, climate change creators, but someone still needs to pay for the fall out of all the natural disasters, storms etc. I guess the compensation for that comes from the global re-insurance industry and not the USA Tax payer. Trump is scum. In fairness, Trump has said he doesn't understand climate change and that he things science isn't real. Maybe that's better than those who know the damage they are doing, and simply don't give a fuck.did he actually say science isn’t real or climate science?" He did. I paraphrased because when trump talks it's long and rambling and difficult to follow. | |||
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"Sounds very sensible. I’m sure the UK/EU can look forward to enjoying America’s success from afar while we freeze in the cold and dark and await the early morning two hour walk to the mouldy office (assuming anyone has still got a job). Maybe they will send us some food parcels. Are you struggling for money? Well I have a lot less than I did two months ago thanks to the decline in the UK stock market caused by Labour policies. Who knows who will have a job six months from now? Businesses will be looking to make savings. Invest in Oil Corporations and closer to home Rolls Royce (nuclear) BAE systems rocketed over last 3 years and may continue depending on what Trump does with Ukraine and Israel Stick with oil companies for the long term and what ever you do keep well away from GB Energy Use your dividends to purchase more. Out of interest, how much have you got invested, Will you be investing in GB Energy? Ed says it’s going to be a great investment." I might do, I will have my investment broker look into it, I tend to rely on expert opinions, not people on here | |||
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"AI is going to improve exponentially over the next 18 months, by 2026, it will be developing viable solutions to row back climate change, which will take 20 years to take effect. TRUMP might support Oil and Gas/Exxon mobile, climate change creators, but someone still needs to pay for the fall out of all the natural disasters, storms etc. I guess the compensation for that comes from the global re-insurance industry and not the USA Tax payer. Trump is scum. In fairness, Trump has said he doesn't understand climate change and that he things science isn't real. Maybe that's better than those who know the damage they are doing, and simply don't give a fuck.did he actually say science isn’t real or climate science? He did. I paraphrased because when trump talks it's long and rambling and difficult to follow. " yes he does I believe that part but I think it’s more yr opinion rather than a fact iv never heard of him saying science isn’t real | |||
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"Sounds very sensible. I’m sure the UK/EU can look forward to enjoying America’s success from afar while we freeze in the cold and dark and await the early morning two hour walk to the mouldy office (assuming anyone has still got a job). Maybe they will send us some food parcels. Are you struggling for money? Well I have a lot less than I did two months ago thanks to the decline in the UK stock market caused by Labour policies. Who knows who will have a job six months from now? Businesses will be looking to make savings. Invest in Oil Corporations and closer to home Rolls Royce (nuclear) BAE systems rocketed over last 3 years and may continue depending on what Trump does with Ukraine and Israel Stick with oil companies for the long term and what ever you do keep well away from GB Energy Use your dividends to purchase more. Out of interest, how much have you got invested, Will you be investing in GB Energy? Ed says it’s going to be a great investment. I might do, I will have my investment broker look into it, I tend to rely on expert opinions, not people on here " You don’t trust Ed Miliband's opinion? | |||
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"Sounds very sensible. I’m sure the UK/EU can look forward to enjoying America’s success from afar while we freeze in the cold and dark and await the early morning two hour walk to the mouldy office (assuming anyone has still got a job). Maybe they will send us some food parcels. Are you struggling for money? Well I have a lot less than I did two months ago thanks to the decline in the UK stock market caused by Labour policies. Who knows who will have a job six months from now? Businesses will be looking to make savings. Invest in Oil Corporations and closer to home Rolls Royce (nuclear) BAE systems rocketed over last 3 years and may continue depending on what Trump does with Ukraine and Israel Stick with oil companies for the long term and what ever you do keep well away from GB Energy Use your dividends to purchase more. Out of interest, how much have you got invested, Will you be investing in GB Energy? Ed says it’s going to be a great investment. I might do, I will have my investment broker look into it, I tend to rely on expert opinions, not people on here You don’t trust Ed Miliband's opinion?" Like I said, I will get my broker to look into, thanks for the heads up though , yoh should think about investing in oil, it’s a bit volatile, long term gains are unpredictable, but go for it | |||
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"AI is going to improve exponentially over the next 18 months, by 2026, it will be developing viable solutions to row back climate change, which will take 20 years to take effect. TRUMP might support Oil and Gas/Exxon mobile, climate change creators, but someone still needs to pay for the fall out of all the natural disasters, storms etc. I guess the compensation for that comes from the global re-insurance industry and not the USA Tax payer. Trump is scum. In fairness, Trump has said he doesn't understand climate change and that he things science isn't real. Maybe that's better than those who know the damage they are doing, and simply don't give a fuck.did he actually say science isn’t real or climate science? He did. I paraphrased because when trump talks it's long and rambling and difficult to follow. yes he does I believe that part but I think it’s more yr opinion rather than a fact iv never heard of him saying science isn’t real " He definitely has. Many times. In relation to climate science. He's a well known climate science denier. If you don't understand what science is, and you legislate based on bollocks you saw on YouTube, that is denying science. | |||
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"Sounds very sensible. I’m sure the UK/EU can look forward to enjoying America’s success from afar while we freeze in the cold and dark and await the early morning two hour walk to the mouldy office (assuming anyone has still got a job). Maybe they will send us some food parcels. Are you struggling for money? Well I have a lot less than I did two months ago thanks to the decline in the UK stock market caused by Labour policies. Who knows who will have a job six months from now? Businesses will be looking to make savings. Invest in Oil Corporations and closer to home Rolls Royce (nuclear) BAE systems rocketed over last 3 years and may continue depending on what Trump does with Ukraine and Israel Stick with oil companies for the long term and what ever you do keep well away from GB Energy Use your dividends to purchase more. Out of interest, how much have you got invested, Will you be investing in GB Energy? Ed says it’s going to be a great investment. I might do, I will have my investment broker look into it, I tend to rely on expert opinions, not people on here You don’t trust Ed Miliband's opinion? Like I said, I will get my broker to look into, thanks for the heads up though , yoh should think about investing in oil, it’s a bit volatile, long term gains are unpredictable, but go for it " I have done for a long time. It’s always a good bet. And as consumption goes up and fool countries like the UK limit the production it will stay a good bet. But don’t take my word for it, this isn’t financial advice! | |||
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"Sounds very sensible. I’m sure the UK/EU can look forward to enjoying America’s success from afar while we freeze in the cold and dark and await the early morning two hour walk to the mouldy office (assuming anyone has still got a job). Maybe they will send us some food parcels. Are you struggling for money? Well I have a lot less than I did two months ago thanks to the decline in the UK stock market caused by Labour policies. Who knows who will have a job six months from now? Businesses will be looking to make savings. Invest in Oil Corporations and closer to home Rolls Royce (nuclear) BAE systems rocketed over last 3 years and may continue depending on what Trump does with Ukraine and Israel Stick with oil companies for the long term and what ever you do keep well away from GB Energy Use your dividends to purchase more. Out of interest, how much have you got invested, Will you be investing in GB Energy? Ed says it’s going to be a great investment. I might do, I will have my investment broker look into it, I tend to rely on expert opinions, not people on here You don’t trust Ed Miliband's opinion? Like I said, I will get my broker to look into, thanks for the heads up though , yoh should think about investing in oil, it’s a bit volatile, long term gains are unpredictable, but go for it I have done for a long time. It’s always a good bet. And as consumption goes up and fool countries like the UK limit the production it will stay a good bet. But don’t take my word for it, this isn’t financial advice!" Thanks, I have far better investments but I might punt a few quid on it, | |||
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"Sounds very sensible. I’m sure the UK/EU can look forward to enjoying America’s success from afar while we freeze in the cold and dark and await the early morning two hour walk to the mouldy office (assuming anyone has still got a job). Maybe they will send us some food parcels. Are you struggling for money? Well I have a lot less than I did two months ago thanks to the decline in the UK stock market caused by Labour policies. Who knows who will have a job six months from now? Businesses will be looking to make savings. Invest in Oil Corporations and closer to home Rolls Royce (nuclear) BAE systems rocketed over last 3 years and may continue depending on what Trump does with Ukraine and Israel Stick with oil companies for the long term and what ever you do keep well away from GB Energy Use your dividends to purchase more. Out of interest, how much have you got invested, " I've worked offshore for 30 years and with 3 different oil companies during that time and investing in each company employee share scheme where you get free shares and in return the oil company uses your vote which you have with the shares. I plowed a lot of my yearly bonuses into shares too and I was lucky to have a large number of Chevron shares when Chevron shares split. Shares are only of value when you intend to sell and I have no intention as the likes of Chevron, ExxonMobil are highly investing in carbon capture, Hydrogen, renewable fuels and products like renewable natural gas, hydrogen, renewable diesel, sustainable aviation fuel and renewable base oils and lubricants. You should also read up on their New Energy technologies. Only the UK thinks Hydrocarbons/Oil/Gas is on way out the rest of the world are drill baby drilling | |||
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"AI is going to improve exponentially over the next 18 months, by 2026, it will be developing viable solutions to row back climate change, which will take 20 years to take effect. TRUMP might support Oil and Gas/Exxon mobile, climate change creators, but someone still needs to pay for the fall out of all the natural disasters, storms etc. I guess the compensation for that comes from the global re-insurance industry and not the USA Tax payer. Trump is scum. In fairness, Trump has said he doesn't understand climate change and that he things science isn't real. Maybe that's better than those who know the damage they are doing, and simply don't give a fuck.did he actually say science isn’t real or climate science? He did. I paraphrased because when trump talks it's long and rambling and difficult to follow. yes he does I believe that part but I think it’s more yr opinion rather than a fact iv never heard of him saying science isn’t real He definitely has. Many times. In relation to climate science. He's a well known climate science denier. If you don't understand what science is, and you legislate based on bollocks you saw on sayYouTube, that is denying science. " saying you don’t trust the science about climate isn’t the same as him saying he doesn’t believe in science lol | |||
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"Sounds very sensible. I’m sure the UK/EU can look forward to enjoying America’s success from afar while we freeze in the cold and dark and await the early morning two hour walk to the mouldy office (assuming anyone has still got a job). Maybe they will send us some food parcels. Are you struggling for money? Well I have a lot less than I did two months ago thanks to the decline in the UK stock market caused by Labour policies. Who knows who will have a job six months from now? Businesses will be looking to make savings. Invest in Oil Corporations and closer to home Rolls Royce (nuclear) BAE systems rocketed over last 3 years and may continue depending on what Trump does with Ukraine and Israel Stick with oil companies for the long term and what ever you do keep well away from GB Energy Use your dividends to purchase more. Out of interest, how much have you got invested, I've worked offshore for 30 years and with 3 different oil companies during that time and investing in each company employee share scheme where you get free shares and in return the oil company uses your vote which you have with the shares. I plowed a lot of my yearly bonuses into shares too and I was lucky to have a large number of Chevron shares when Chevron shares split. Shares are only of value when you intend to sell and I have no intention as the likes of Chevron, ExxonMobil are highly investing in carbon capture, Hydrogen, renewable fuels and products like renewable natural gas, hydrogen, renewable diesel, sustainable aviation fuel and renewable base oils and lubricants. You should also read up on their New Energy technologies. Only the UK thinks Hydrocarbons/Oil/Gas is on way out the rest of the world are drill baby drilling " Fair enough, oil and gas is to volatile for me, far better returns are out there, | |||
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"AI is going to improve exponentially over the next 18 months, by 2026, it will be developing viable solutions to row back climate change, which will take 20 years to take effect. TRUMP might support Oil and Gas/Exxon mobile, climate change creators, but someone still needs to pay for the fall out of all the natural disasters, storms etc. I guess the compensation for that comes from the global re-insurance industry and not the USA Tax payer. Trump is scum. In fairness, Trump has said he doesn't understand climate change and that he things science isn't real. Maybe that's better than those who know the damage they are doing, and simply don't give a fuck.did he actually say science isn’t real or climate science? He did. I paraphrased because when trump talks it's long and rambling and difficult to follow. yes he does I believe that part but I think it’s more yr opinion rather than a fact iv never heard of him saying science isn’t real He definitely has. Many times. In relation to climate science. He's a well known climate science denier. If you don't understand what science is, and you legislate based on bollocks you saw on sayYouTube, that is denying science. saying you don’t trust the science about climate isn’t the same as him saying he doesn’t believe in science lol" He has said many times he doesn't believe, doesn't understand etc. | |||
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"Sounds very sensible. I’m sure the UK/EU can look forward to enjoying America’s success from afar while we freeze in the cold and dark and await the early morning two hour walk to the mouldy office (assuming anyone has still got a job). Maybe they will send us some food parcels. Are you struggling for money? Well I have a lot less than I did two months ago thanks to the decline in the UK stock market caused by Labour policies. Who knows who will have a job six months from now? Businesses will be looking to make savings. Invest in Oil Corporations and closer to home Rolls Royce (nuclear) BAE systems rocketed over last 3 years and may continue depending on what Trump does with Ukraine and Israel Stick with oil companies for the long term and what ever you do keep well away from GB Energy Use your dividends to purchase more. Out of interest, how much have you got invested, I've worked offshore for 30 years and with 3 different oil companies during that time and investing in each company employee share scheme where you get free shares and in return the oil company uses your vote which you have with the shares. I plowed a lot of my yearly bonuses into shares too and I was lucky to have a large number of Chevron shares when Chevron shares split. Shares are only of value when you intend to sell and I have no intention as the likes of Chevron, ExxonMobil are highly investing in carbon capture, Hydrogen, renewable fuels and products like renewable natural gas, hydrogen, renewable diesel, sustainable aviation fuel and renewable base oils and lubricants. You should also read up on their New Energy technologies. Only the UK thinks Hydrocarbons/Oil/Gas is on way out the rest of the world are drill baby drilling Fair enough, oil and gas is to volatile for me, far better returns are out there, " Well as long as there are Wars going on, it's not too late to purchase BAE systems shares although I got in 3 years ago and have Doubled my investment | |||
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"Sounds very sensible. I’m sure the UK/EU can look forward to enjoying America’s success from afar while we freeze in the cold and dark and await the early morning two hour walk to the mouldy office (assuming anyone has still got a job). Maybe they will send us some food parcels. Are you struggling for money? Well I have a lot less than I did two months ago thanks to the decline in the UK stock market caused by Labour policies. Who knows who will have a job six months from now? Businesses will be looking to make savings. Invest in Oil Corporations and closer to home Rolls Royce (nuclear) BAE systems rocketed over last 3 years and may continue depending on what Trump does with Ukraine and Israel Stick with oil companies for the long term and what ever you do keep well away from GB Energy Use your dividends to purchase more. Out of interest, how much have you got invested, I've worked offshore for 30 years and with 3 different oil companies during that time and investing in each company employee share scheme where you get free shares and in return the oil company uses your vote which you have with the shares. I plowed a lot of my yearly bonuses into shares too and I was lucky to have a large number of Chevron shares when Chevron shares split. Shares are only of value when you intend to sell and I have no intention as the likes of Chevron, ExxonMobil are highly investing in carbon capture, Hydrogen, renewable fuels and products like renewable natural gas, hydrogen, renewable diesel, sustainable aviation fuel and renewable base oils and lubricants. You should also read up on their New Energy technologies. Only the UK thinks Hydrocarbons/Oil/Gas is on way out the rest of the world are drill baby drilling Fair enough, oil and gas is to volatile for me, far better returns are out there, Well as long as there are Wars going on, it's not too late to purchase BAE systems shares although I got in 3 years ago and have Doubled my investment " Trunp is going to end the war, no value there, your shares will plummet when he does | |||
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"AI is going to improve exponentially over the next 18 months, by 2026, it will be developing viable solutions to row back climate change, which will take 20 years to take effect. TRUMP might support Oil and Gas/Exxon mobile, climate change creators, but someone still needs to pay for the fall out of all the natural disasters, storms etc. I guess the compensation for that comes from the global re-insurance industry and not the USA Tax payer. Trump is scum. In fairness, Trump has said he doesn't understand climate change and that he things science isn't real. Maybe that's better than those who know the damage they are doing, and simply don't give a fuck.did he actually say science isn’t real or climate science? He did. I paraphrased because when trump talks it's long and rambling and difficult to follow. yes he does I believe that part but I think it’s more yr opinion rather than a fact iv never heard of him saying science isn’t real He definitely has. Many times. In relation to climate science. He's a well known climate science denier. If you don't understand what science is, and you legislate based on bollocks you saw on sayYouTube, that is denying science. saying you don’t trust the science about climate isn’t the same as him saying he doesn’t believe in science lol He has said many times he doesn't believe, doesn't understand etc. " I believe you but he’s talking about climate science not science in general | |||
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"AI is going to improve exponentially over the next 18 months, by 2026, it will be developing viable solutions to row back climate change, which will take 20 years to take effect. TRUMP might support Oil and Gas/Exxon mobile, climate change creators, but someone still needs to pay for the fall out of all the natural disasters, storms etc. I guess the compensation for that comes from the global re-insurance industry and not the USA Tax payer. Trump is scum. In fairness, Trump has said he doesn't understand climate change and that he things science isn't real. Maybe that's better than those who know the damage they are doing, and simply don't give a fuck.did he actually say science isn’t real or climate science? He did. I paraphrased because when trump talks it's long and rambling and difficult to follow. yes he does I believe that part but I think it’s more yr opinion rather than a fact iv never heard of him saying science isn’t real He definitely has. Many times. In relation to climate science. He's a well known climate science denier. If you don't understand what science is, and you legislate based on bollocks you saw on sayYouTube, that is denying science. saying you don’t trust the science about climate isn’t the same as him saying he doesn’t believe in science lol He has said many times he doesn't believe, doesn't understand etc. I believe you but he’s talking about climate science not science in general " If you don't understand how one branch of science works, you don't understand science at all. | |||
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"AI is going to improve exponentially over the next 18 months, by 2026, it will be developing viable solutions to row back climate change, which will take 20 years to take effect. TRUMP might support Oil and Gas/Exxon mobile, climate change creators, but someone still needs to pay for the fall out of all the natural disasters, storms etc. I guess the compensation for that comes from the global re-insurance industry and not the USA Tax payer. Trump is scum. In fairness, Trump has said he doesn't understand climate change and that he things science isn't real. Maybe that's better than those who know the damage they are doing, and simply don't give a fuck.did he actually say science isn’t real or climate science? He did. I paraphrased because when trump talks it's long and rambling and difficult to follow. yes he does I believe that part but I think it’s more yr opinion rather than a fact iv never heard of him saying science isn’t real He definitely has. Many times. In relation to climate science. He's a well known climate science denier. If you don't understand what science is, and you legislate based on bollocks you saw on sayYouTube, that is denying science. saying you don’t trust the science about climate isn’t the same as him saying he doesn’t believe in science lol He has said many times he doesn't believe, doesn't understand etc. I believe you but he’s talking about climate science not science in general If you don't understand how one branch of science works, you don't understand science at all." Not you, Trump. | |||
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"AI is going to improve exponentially over the next 18 months, by 2026, it will be developing viable solutions to row back climate change, which will take 20 years to take effect. TRUMP might support Oil and Gas/Exxon mobile, climate change creators, but someone still needs to pay for the fall out of all the natural disasters, storms etc. I guess the compensation for that comes from the global re-insurance industry and not the USA Tax payer. Trump is scum. In fairness, Trump has said he doesn't understand climate change and that he things science isn't real. Maybe that's better than those who know the damage they are doing, and simply don't give a fuck.did he actually say science isn’t real or climate science? He did. I paraphrased because when trump talks it's long and rambling and difficult to follow. yes he does I believe that part but I think it’s more yr opinion rather than a fact iv never heard of him saying science isn’t real He definitely has. Many times. In relation to climate science. He's a well known climate science denier. If you don't understand what science is, and you legislate based on bollocks you saw on sayYouTube, that is denying science. saying you don’t trust the science about climate isn’t the same as him saying he doesn’t believe in science lol He has said many times he doesn't believe, doesn't understand etc. I believe you but he’s talking about climate science not science in general If you don't understand how one branch of science works, you don't understand science at all. Not you, Trump." only scientists understand all branches of science surely do you understand all science are you a scientist? | |||
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"Ohhh and as I said before stay well clear of GB Energy this will be another post office shares fiasco " Won’t it just. They’re borrowing money to make it happen, and they will end up giving that money to the private sector, and from what I can gather for a rather small amount of saving to the consumer. This has the NHS PFI screw up written all over it…. | |||
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"Sounds very sensible. I’m sure the UK/EU can look forward to enjoying America’s success from afar while we freeze in the cold and dark and await the early morning two hour walk to the mouldy office (assuming anyone has still got a job). Maybe they will send us some food parcels. Are you struggling for money? Well I have a lot less than I did two months ago thanks to the decline in the UK stock market caused by Labour policies. Who knows who will have a job six months from now? Businesses will be looking to make savings. Invest in Oil Corporations and closer to home Rolls Royce (nuclear) BAE systems rocketed over last 3 years and may continue depending on what Trump does with Ukraine and Israel Stick with oil companies for the long term and what ever you do keep well away from GB Energy Use your dividends to purchase more. Out of interest, how much have you got invested, I've worked offshore for 30 years and with 3 different oil companies during that time and investing in each company employee share scheme where you get free shares and in return the oil company uses your vote which you have with the shares. I plowed a lot of my yearly bonuses into shares too and I was lucky to have a large number of Chevron shares when Chevron shares split. Shares are only of value when you intend to sell and I have no intention as the likes of Chevron, ExxonMobil are highly investing in carbon capture, Hydrogen, renewable fuels and products like renewable natural gas, hydrogen, renewable diesel, sustainable aviation fuel and renewable base oils and lubricants. You should also read up on their New Energy technologies. Only the UK thinks Hydrocarbons/Oil/Gas is on way out the rest of the world are drill baby drilling Fair enough, oil and gas is to volatile for me, far better returns are out there, Well as long as there are Wars going on, it's not too late to purchase BAE systems shares although I got in 3 years ago and have Doubled my investment Trunp is going to end the war, no value there, your shares will plummet when he does " There are many wars world wide and there will be plenty more in future, shares go up, shares go down. When.... as you say, BAE systems shares plumit I will Buy Buy Buy more. I was going to send you some interesting Chevron link's but it appears that you have blocked me for some reason But research Chevron Corp and see how well they are doing. Yes oik prices go up and down but Chevron shares go up, up, up then split around the $200 mark then start again going up. | |||
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"Ohhh and as I said before stay well clear of GB Energy this will be another post office shares fiasco Won’t it just. They’re borrowing money to make it happen, and they will end up giving that money to the private sector, and from what I can gather for a rather small amount of saving to the consumer. This has the NHS PFI screw up written all over it…. " Exactly But Ed Milliwank will convince many in the UK to buy ( just like the post office) if you remember that disaster | |||
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"Sounds very sensible. I’m sure the UK/EU can look forward to enjoying America’s success from afar while we freeze in the cold and dark and await the early morning two hour walk to the mouldy office (assuming anyone has still got a job). Maybe they will send us some food parcels. Are you struggling for money? Well I have a lot less than I did two months ago thanks to the decline in the UK stock market caused by Labour policies. Who knows who will have a job six months from now? Businesses will be looking to make savings. Invest in Oil Corporations and closer to home Rolls Royce (nuclear) BAE systems rocketed over last 3 years and may continue depending on what Trump does with Ukraine and Israel Stick with oil companies for the long term and what ever you do keep well away from GB Energy Use your dividends to purchase more. Out of interest, how much have you got invested, I've worked offshore for 30 years and with 3 different oil companies during that time and investing in each company employee share scheme where you get free shares and in return the oil company uses your vote which you have with the shares. I plowed a lot of my yearly bonuses into shares too and I was lucky to have a large number of Chevron shares when Chevron shares split. Shares are only of value when you intend to sell and I have no intention as the likes of Chevron, ExxonMobil are highly investing in carbon capture, Hydrogen, renewable fuels and products like renewable natural gas, hydrogen, renewable diesel, sustainable aviation fuel and renewable base oils and lubricants. You should also read up on their New Energy technologies. Only the UK thinks Hydrocarbons/Oil/Gas is on way out the rest of the world are drill baby drilling Fair enough, oil and gas is to volatile for me, far better returns are out there, Well as long as there are Wars going on, it's not too late to purchase BAE systems shares although I got in 3 years ago and have Doubled my investment Trunp is going to end the war, no value there, your shares will plummet when he does There are many wars world wide and there will be plenty more in future, shares go up, shares go down. When.... as you say, BAE systems shares plumit I will Buy Buy Buy more. I was going to send you some interesting Chevron link's but it appears that you have blocked me for some reason But research Chevron Corp and see how well they are doing. Yes oik prices go up and down but Chevron shares go up, up, up then split around the $200 mark then start again going up." Ah right, fair enough, I will have a look, not sure if its fior me though, the returns just aren’t there, too unpredictable , and the trump affect will be short lived, wether you like or not the EU and UK want green energy, once they get the tech right (like they do with everything) it will be a gold mine. Tesla shares are up, which goes against the anti green growth narrative | |||
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"For many across the world, Trump's victory has stoked uncertainty over the future of global climate action. Trump has long deemed climate change a “hoax”, railing against Biden’s climate policies and dismissing threats like rising sea levels. During his last term, he attempted to roll back around 100 environmental bills. Promises have been made this time around to row back spending on green energy, exit vital international climate agreements and bring about a new wave of drilling for oil and gas which he has called “liquid gold”. Having worked on oil rigs for 30 years and owning a large number of Oil Corporation shares as well as a healthy Pension, this is Excellent News for myself aswell as excellent news for work colleagues and World Oil & Gas companies. Obviously the UK will lose out as Starmer has put a stop on new North Sea Exploration but great news on a whole. How do You feel about this fantastic news." Drill man drill. America will flourish and we will wither. | |||
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"For many across the world, Trump's victory has stoked uncertainty over the future of global climate action. Trump has long deemed climate change a “hoax”, railing against Biden’s climate policies and dismissing threats like rising sea levels. During his last term, he attempted to roll back around 100 environmental bills. Promises have been made this time around to row back spending on green energy, exit vital international climate agreements and bring about a new wave of drilling for oil and gas which he has called “liquid gold”. Having worked on oil rigs for 30 years and owning a large number of Oil Corporation shares as well as a healthy Pension, this is Excellent News for myself aswell as excellent news for work colleagues and World Oil & Gas companies. Obviously the UK will lose out as Starmer has put a stop on new North Sea Exploration but great news on a whole. How do You feel about this fantastic news. Drill man drill. America will flourish and we will wither. " Who is we, I am flourishing in the UK | |||
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"For many across the world, Trump's victory has stoked uncertainty over the future of global climate action. Trump has long deemed climate change a “hoax”, railing against Biden’s climate policies and dismissing threats like rising sea levels. During his last term, he attempted to roll back around 100 environmental bills. Promises have been made this time around to row back spending on green energy, exit vital international climate agreements and bring about a new wave of drilling for oil and gas which he has called “liquid gold”. Having worked on oil rigs for 30 years and owning a large number of Oil Corporation shares as well as a healthy Pension, this is Excellent News for myself aswell as excellent news for work colleagues and World Oil & Gas companies. Obviously the UK will lose out as Starmer has put a stop on new North Sea Exploration but great news on a whole. How do You feel about this fantastic news. Drill man drill. America will flourish and we will wither. Who is we, I am flourishing in the UK " And you didn’t vote for the conservative candidate in the GE, isn’t that cutting your nose off to spite your face? | |||
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"For many across the world, Trump's victory has stoked uncertainty over the future of global climate action. Trump has long deemed climate change a “hoax”, railing against Biden’s climate policies and dismissing threats like rising sea levels. During his last term, he attempted to roll back around 100 environmental bills. Promises have been made this time around to row back spending on green energy, exit vital international climate agreements and bring about a new wave of drilling for oil and gas which he has called “liquid gold”. Having worked on oil rigs for 30 years and owning a large number of Oil Corporation shares as well as a healthy Pension, this is Excellent News for myself aswell as excellent news for work colleagues and World Oil & Gas companies. Obviously the UK will lose out as Starmer has put a stop on new North Sea Exploration but great news on a whole. How do You feel about this fantastic news. Drill man drill. America will flourish and we will wither. Who is we, I am flourishing in the UK And you didn’t vote for the conservative candidate in the GE, isn’t that cutting your nose off to spite your face? " That makes no sense,  | |||
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"AI is going to improve exponentially over the next 18 months, by 2026, it will be developing viable solutions to row back climate change, which will take 20 years to take effect. TRUMP might support Oil and Gas/Exxon mobile, climate change creators, but someone still needs to pay for the fall out of all the natural disasters, storms etc. I guess the compensation for that comes from the global re-insurance industry and not the USA Tax payer. Trump is scum. In fairness, Trump has said he doesn't understand climate change and that he things science isn't real. Maybe that's better than those who know the damage they are doing, and simply don't give a fuck.did he actually say science isn’t real or climate science? He did. I paraphrased because when trump talks it's long and rambling and difficult to follow. yes he does I believe that part but I think it’s more yr opinion rather than a fact iv never heard of him saying science isn’t real He definitely has. Many times. In relation to climate science. He's a well known climate science denier. If you don't understand what science is, and you legislate based on bollocks you saw on sayYouTube, that is denying science. saying you don’t trust the science about climate isn’t the same as him saying he doesn’t believe in science lol He has said many times he doesn't believe, doesn't understand etc. I believe you but he’s talking about climate science not science in general If you don't understand how one branch of science works, you don't understand science at all. Not you, Trump.only scientists understand all branches of science surely do you understand all science are you a scientist?" Scientific principles are the same across disciplines. And yes. | |||
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"For many across the world, Trump's victory has stoked uncertainty over the future of global climate action. Trump has long deemed climate change a “hoax”, railing against Biden’s climate policies and dismissing threats like rising sea levels. During his last term, he attempted to roll back around 100 environmental bills. Promises have been made this time around to row back spending on green energy, exit vital international climate agreements and bring about a new wave of drilling for oil and gas which he has called “liquid gold”. Having worked on oil rigs for 30 years and owning a large number of Oil Corporation shares as well as a healthy Pension, this is Excellent News for myself aswell as excellent news for work colleagues and World Oil & Gas companies. Obviously the UK will lose out as Starmer has put a stop on new North Sea Exploration but great news on a whole. How do You feel about this fantastic news. Drill man drill. America will flourish and we will wither. " We'll all wither in the heat, and America will be left behind stuck to ever increasingly expensive heavily subsidised fossil fuels. Tough times ahead. | |||
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"For many across the world, Trump's victory has stoked uncertainty over the future of global climate action. Trump has long deemed climate change a “hoax”, railing against Biden’s climate policies and dismissing threats like rising sea levels. During his last term, he attempted to roll back around 100 environmental bills. Promises have been made this time around to row back spending on green energy, exit vital international climate agreements and bring about a new wave of drilling for oil and gas which he has called “liquid gold”. Having worked on oil rigs for 30 years and owning a large number of Oil Corporation shares as well as a healthy Pension, this is Excellent News for myself aswell as excellent news for work colleagues and World Oil & Gas companies. Obviously the UK will lose out as Starmer has put a stop on new North Sea Exploration but great news on a whole. How do You feel about this fantastic news. Drill man drill. America will flourish and we will wither. We'll all wither in the heat, and America will be left behind stuck to ever increasingly expensive heavily subsidised fossil fuels. Tough times ahead." America is far more advanced than the majority of the World's countries. Highly advanced in green technologies, bio fuels, nitrogen, carbon capture, storage and injection They have the best R&D centres and advanced in all types of Energy. Don't be fooled into thinking America is only Hydro carbon fuelled The San Gorgonio Pass wind farm Palm Springs was developed in the 1980's. I'm sure most will have driven past on way to Phoenix az | |||
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"For many across the world, Trump's victory has stoked uncertainty over the future of global climate action. Trump has long deemed climate change a “hoax”, railing against Biden’s climate policies and dismissing threats like rising sea levels. During his last term, he attempted to roll back around 100 environmental bills. Promises have been made this time around to row back spending on green energy, exit vital international climate agreements and bring about a new wave of drilling for oil and gas which he has called “liquid gold”. Having worked on oil rigs for 30 years and owning a large number of Oil Corporation shares as well as a healthy Pension, this is Excellent News for myself aswell as excellent news for work colleagues and World Oil & Gas companies. Obviously the UK will lose out as Starmer has put a stop on new North Sea Exploration but great news on a whole. How do You feel about this fantastic news. Drill man drill. America will flourish and we will wither. Who is we, I am flourishing in the UK And you didn’t vote for the conservative candidate in the GE, isn’t that cutting your nose off to spite your face? That makes no sense, "If you’re flourishing, it can’t be off the back of this labour government, it must be from the last 14 years of Tory government. | |||
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"AI is going to improve exponentially over the next 18 months, by 2026, it will be developing viable solutions to row back climate change, which will take 20 years to take effect. TRUMP might support Oil and Gas/Exxon mobile, climate change creators, but someone still needs to pay for the fall out of all the natural disasters, storms etc. I guess the compensation for that comes from the global re-insurance industry and not the USA Tax payer. Trump is scum. In fairness, Trump has said he doesn't understand climate change and that he things science isn't real. Maybe that's better than those who know the damage they are doing, and simply don't give a fuck.did he actually say science isn’t real or climate science? He did. I paraphrased because when trump talks it's long and rambling and difficult to follow. yes he does I believe that part but I think it’s more yr opinion rather than a fact iv never heard of him saying science isn’t real He definitely has. Many times. In relation to climate science. He's a well known climate science denier. If you don't understand what science is, and you legislate based on bollocks you saw on sayYouTube, that is denying science. saying you don’t trust the science about climate isn’t the same as him saying he doesn’t believe in science lol He has said many times he doesn't believe, doesn't understand etc. I believe you but he’s talking about climate science not science in general If you don't understand how one branch of science works, you don't understand science at all. Not you, Trump.only scientists understand all branches of science surely do you understand all science are you a scientist? Scientific principles are the same across disciplines. And yes." yes you’re a scientist good on ya hats of to ya mate | |||
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"For many across the world, Trump's victory has stoked uncertainty over the future of global climate action. Trump has long deemed climate change a “hoax”, railing against Biden’s climate policies and dismissing threats like rising sea levels. During his last term, he attempted to roll back around 100 environmental bills. Promises have been made this time around to row back spending on green energy, exit vital international climate agreements and bring about a new wave of drilling for oil and gas which he has called “liquid gold”. Having worked on oil rigs for 30 years and owning a large number of Oil Corporation shares as well as a healthy Pension, this is Excellent News for myself aswell as excellent news for work colleagues and World Oil & Gas companies. Obviously the UK will lose out as Starmer has put a stop on new North Sea Exploration but great news on a whole. How do You feel about this fantastic news. Drill man drill. America will flourish and we will wither. Who is we, I am flourishing in the UK And you didn’t vote for the conservative candidate in the GE, isn’t that cutting your nose off to spite your face? That makes no sense,
If you’re flourishing, it can’t be off the back of this labour government, it must be from the last 14 years of Tory government.
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"For many across the world, Trump's victory has stoked uncertainty over the future of global climate action. Trump has long deemed climate change a “hoax”, railing against Biden’s climate policies and dismissing threats like rising sea levels. During his last term, he attempted to roll back around 100 environmental bills. Promises have been made this time around to row back spending on green energy, exit vital international climate agreements and bring about a new wave of drilling for oil and gas which he has called “liquid gold”. Having worked on oil rigs for 30 years and owning a large number of Oil Corporation shares as well as a healthy Pension, this is Excellent News for myself aswell as excellent news for work colleagues and World Oil & Gas companies. Obviously the UK will lose out as Starmer has put a stop on new North Sea Exploration but great news on a whole. How do You feel about this fantastic news. Drill man drill. America will flourish and we will wither. Who is we, I am flourishing in the UK And you didn’t vote for the conservative candidate in the GE, isn’t that cutting your nose off to spite your face? That makes no sense,
If you’re flourishing, it can’t be off the back of this labour government, it must be from the last 14 years of Tory government.
It was off my own hard work , do you attribute any of your success to the government "Of course, that is rather a naive thing to think the government doesn’t influence success. | |||
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"For many across the world, Trump's victory has stoked uncertainty over the future of global climate action. Trump has long deemed climate change a “hoax”, railing against Biden’s climate policies and dismissing threats like rising sea levels. During his last term, he attempted to roll back around 100 environmental bills. Promises have been made this time around to row back spending on green energy, exit vital international climate agreements and bring about a new wave of drilling for oil and gas which he has called “liquid gold”. Having worked on oil rigs for 30 years and owning a large number of Oil Corporation shares as well as a healthy Pension, this is Excellent News for myself aswell as excellent news for work colleagues and World Oil & Gas companies. Obviously the UK will lose out as Starmer has put a stop on new North Sea Exploration but great news on a whole. How do You feel about this fantastic news. Drill man drill. America will flourish and we will wither. Who is we, I am flourishing in the UK And you didn’t vote for the conservative candidate in the GE, isn’t that cutting your nose off to spite your face? That makes no sense,
If you’re flourishing, it can’t be off the back of this labour government, it must be from the last 14 years of Tory government.
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"For many across the world, Trump's victory has stoked uncertainty over the future of global climate action. Trump has long deemed climate change a “hoax”, railing against Biden’s climate policies and dismissing threats like rising sea levels. During his last term, he attempted to roll back around 100 environmental bills. Promises have been made this time around to row back spending on green energy, exit vital international climate agreements and bring about a new wave of drilling for oil and gas which he has called “liquid gold”. Having worked on oil rigs for 30 years and owning a large number of Oil Corporation shares as well as a healthy Pension, this is Excellent News for myself aswell as excellent news for work colleagues and World Oil & Gas companies. Obviously the UK will lose out as Starmer has put a stop on new North Sea Exploration but great news on a whole. How do You feel about this fantastic news. Drill man drill. America will flourish and we will wither. Who is we, I am flourishing in the UK And you didn’t vote for the conservative candidate in the GE, isn’t that cutting your nose off to spite your face? That makes no sense,
If you’re flourishing, it can’t be off the back of this labour government, it must be from the last 14 years of Tory government.
It was off my own hard work , do you attribute any of your success to the government
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"For many across the world, Trump's victory has stoked uncertainty over the future of global climate action. Trump has long deemed climate change a “hoax”, railing against Biden’s climate policies and dismissing threats like rising sea levels. During his last term, he attempted to roll back around 100 environmental bills. Promises have been made this time around to row back spending on green energy, exit vital international climate agreements and bring about a new wave of drilling for oil and gas which he has called “liquid gold”. Having worked on oil rigs for 30 years and owning a large number of Oil Corporation shares as well as a healthy Pension, this is Excellent News for myself aswell as excellent news for work colleagues and World Oil & Gas companies. Obviously the UK will lose out as Starmer has put a stop on new North Sea Exploration but great news on a whole. How do You feel about this fantastic news. Drill man drill. America will flourish and we will wither. Who is we, I am flourishing in the UK And you didn’t vote for the conservative candidate in the GE, isn’t that cutting your nose off to spite your face? That makes no sense,
If you’re flourishing, it can’t be off the back of this labour government, it must be from the last 14 years of Tory government.
It was off my own hard work , do you attribute any of your success to the government
Of course, that is rather a naive thing to think the government doesn’t influence success.
UK government destroys North Sea oil and gas success."Exactly it has an influence, be it positive or negative. | |||
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"For many across the world, Trump's victory has stoked uncertainty over the future of global climate action. Trump has long deemed climate change a “hoax”, railing against Biden’s climate policies and dismissing threats like rising sea levels. During his last term, he attempted to roll back around 100 environmental bills. Promises have been made this time around to row back spending on green energy, exit vital international climate agreements and bring about a new wave of drilling for oil and gas which he has called “liquid gold”. Having worked on oil rigs for 30 years and owning a large number of Oil Corporation shares as well as a healthy Pension, this is Excellent News for myself aswell as excellent news for work colleagues and World Oil & Gas companies. Obviously the UK will lose out as Starmer has put a stop on new North Sea Exploration but great news on a whole. How do You feel about this fantastic news. Drill man drill. America will flourish and we will wither. Who is we, I am flourishing in the UK And you didn’t vote for the conservative candidate in the GE, isn’t that cutting your nose off to spite your face? That makes no sense,
If you’re flourishing, it can’t be off the back of this labour government, it must be from the last 14 years of Tory government.
It was off my own hard work , do you attribute any of your success to the government
Of course, that is rather a naive thing to think the government doesn’t influence success.
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"For many across the world, Trump's victory has stoked uncertainty over the future of global climate action. Trump has long deemed climate change a “hoax”, railing against Biden’s climate policies and dismissing threats like rising sea levels. During his last term, he attempted to roll back around 100 environmental bills. Promises have been made this time around to row back spending on green energy, exit vital international climate agreements and bring about a new wave of drilling for oil and gas which he has called “liquid gold”. Having worked on oil rigs for 30 years and owning a large number of Oil Corporation shares as well as a healthy Pension, this is Excellent News for myself aswell as excellent news for work colleagues and World Oil & Gas companies. Obviously the UK will lose out as Starmer has put a stop on new North Sea Exploration but great news on a whole. How do You feel about this fantastic news. Drill man drill. America will flourish and we will wither. We'll all wither in the heat, and America will be left behind stuck to ever increasingly expensive heavily subsidised fossil fuels. Tough times ahead. America is far more advanced than the majority of the World's countries. Highly advanced in green technologies, bio fuels, nitrogen, carbon capture, storage and injection They have the best R&D centres and advanced in all types of Energy. Don't be fooled into thinking America is only Hydro carbon fuelled The San Gorgonio Pass wind farm Palm Springs was developed in the 1980's. I'm sure most will have driven past on way to Phoenix az"  | |||
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"For many across the world, Trump's victory has stoked uncertainty over the future of global climate action. Trump has long deemed climate change a “hoax”, railing against Biden’s climate policies and dismissing threats like rising sea levels. During his last term, he attempted to roll back around 100 environmental bills. Promises have been made this time around to row back spending on green energy, exit vital international climate agreements and bring about a new wave of drilling for oil and gas which he has called “liquid gold”. Having worked on oil rigs for 30 years and owning a large number of Oil Corporation shares as well as a healthy Pension, this is Excellent News for myself aswell as excellent news for work colleagues and World Oil & Gas companies. Obviously the UK will lose out as Starmer has put a stop on new North Sea Exploration but great news on a whole. How do You feel about this fantastic news. Drill man drill. America will flourish and we will wither. We'll all wither in the heat, and America will be left behind stuck to ever increasingly expensive heavily subsidised fossil fuels. Tough times ahead. America is far more advanced than the majority of the World's countries. Highly advanced in green technologies, bio fuels, nitrogen, carbon capture, storage and injection They have the best R&D centres and advanced in all types of Energy. Don't be fooled into thinking America is only Hydro carbon fuelled The San Gorgonio Pass wind farm Palm Springs was developed in the 1980's. I'm sure most will have driven past on way to Phoenix az" Let's hope Trump doesn't set them further back. | |||
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"AI is going to improve exponentially over the next 18 months, by 2026, it will be developing viable solutions to row back climate change, which will take 20 years to take effect. TRUMP might support Oil and Gas/Exxon mobile, climate change creators, but someone still needs to pay for the fall out of all the natural disasters, storms etc. I guess the compensation for that comes from the global re-insurance industry and not the USA Tax payer. Trump is scum. Before we point at oil producers what about food production which accounts for over a quarter (26%) of global greenhouse gas emissions. Half of the world's habitable land is used for agriculture. 83% of farmland produces 60% of global agriculture's greenhouse gas emissions The climate damage caused by meat production would make a significant reduction in the global carbon footprint. " ive seen this before on a meme with the reply would you rather sleep in a sealed garage with a cow or a boeing 747 | |||
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"For many across the world, Trump's victory has stoked uncertainty over the future of global climate action. Trump has long deemed climate change a “hoax”, railing against Biden’s climate policies and dismissing threats like rising sea levels. During his last term, he attempted to roll back around 100 environmental bills. Promises have been made this time around to row back spending on green energy, exit vital international climate agreements and bring about a new wave of drilling for oil and gas which he has called “liquid gold”. Having worked on oil rigs for 30 years and owning a large number of Oil Corporation shares as well as a healthy Pension, this is Excellent News for myself aswell as excellent news for work colleagues and World Oil & Gas companies. Obviously the UK will lose out as Starmer has put a stop on new North Sea Exploration but great news on a whole. How do You feel about this fantastic news. Drill man drill. America will flourish and we will wither. Who is we, I am flourishing in the UK And you didn’t vote for the conservative candidate in the GE, isn’t that cutting your nose off to spite your face? That makes no sense,
If you’re flourishing, it can’t be off the back of this labour government, it must be from the last 14 years of Tory government.
It was off my own hard work , do you attribute any of your success to the government
Of course, that is rather a naive thing to think the government doesn’t influence success.
UK government destroys North Sea oil and gas success.
Exactly it has an influence, be it positive or negative. "you only got free education and maybe were birthed because of free healthcare so without them you certainly wouldnt be where you are today | |||
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"For many across the world, Trump's victory has stoked uncertainty over the future of global climate action. Trump has long deemed climate change a “hoax”, railing against Biden’s climate policies and dismissing threats like rising sea levels. During his last term, he attempted to roll back around 100 environmental bills. Promises have been made this time around to row back spending on green energy, exit vital international climate agreements and bring about a new wave of drilling for oil and gas which he has called “liquid gold”. Having worked on oil rigs for 30 years and owning a large number of Oil Corporation shares as well as a healthy Pension, this is Excellent News for myself aswell as excellent news for work colleagues and World Oil & Gas companies. Obviously the UK will lose out as Starmer has put a stop on new North Sea Exploration but great news on a whole. How do You feel about this fantastic news." Hate to let “facts” get in the way of perceptions The problem with the “drill baby drill” slogan is that the us is actually already self sufficient… and that’s because Bidens administration was already drilling for more oil……. | |||
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"For many across the world, Trump's victory has stoked uncertainty over the future of global climate action. Trump has long deemed climate change a “hoax”, railing against Biden’s climate policies and dismissing threats like rising sea levels. During his last term, he attempted to roll back around 100 environmental bills. Promises have been made this time around to row back spending on green energy, exit vital international climate agreements and bring about a new wave of drilling for oil and gas which he has called “liquid gold”. Having worked on oil rigs for 30 years and owning a large number of Oil Corporation shares as well as a healthy Pension, this is Excellent News for myself aswell as excellent news for work colleagues and World Oil & Gas companies. Obviously the UK will lose out as Starmer has put a stop on new North Sea Exploration but great news on a whole. How do You feel about this fantastic news. Hate to let “facts” get in the way of perceptions The problem with the “drill baby drill” slogan is that the us is actually already self sufficient… and that’s because Bidens administration was already drilling for more oil……." If only the dumb electorate could see what a great job Biden and Harris were doing! | |||
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"AI is going to improve exponentially over the next 18 months, by 2026, it will be developing viable solutions to row back climate change, which will take 20 years to take effect. TRUMP might support Oil and Gas/Exxon mobile, climate change creators, but someone still needs to pay for the fall out of all the natural disasters, storms etc. I guess the compensation for that comes from the global re-insurance industry and not the USA Tax payer. Trump is scum. Before we point at oil producers what about food production which accounts for over a quarter (26%) of global greenhouse gas emissions. Half of the world's habitable land is used for agriculture. 83% of farmland produces 60% of global agriculture's greenhouse gas emissions The climate damage caused by meat production would make a significant reduction in the global carbon footprint. ive seen this before on a meme with the reply would you rather sleep in a sealed garage with a cow or a boeing 747" . Scotland's nature agency NatureScot said well planned and managed cattle grazing had an increasingly important role in nature restoration. It said Highland cattle had been used at Abernethy Forest in the Highlands to graze and trample down vegetation to improve habitat for rare birds called capercaillie. Belted Galloways have also been used in a project to boost numbers of rare pearl-bordered fritillary butterflies at Mabie Forest in Dumfries. NatureScot said: "We understand the tauros cattle are being released as wild-living farm animals, so we would expect the project to have considered and planned for good conservation outcomes, taking account of biological, social and cultural impacts. | |||
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"People always forget that the key to managing the environment sustainably is to use less stuff. Stupid people are led to believe (by advertising) that they need something bigger, faster, “better”, newer etc. We should buy fewer items, of better quality, and keep them for longer. Repairing not replacing. Manufacturers should be forced to make stuff repairable. Software companies should not dictate when hardware has to be replaced. Unless they change their mind, Microsoft are going to create a mountain of e-waste next year as their requirements for Windows 11 exclude millions of perfectly good computers. Electric cars have their place but the current crop are heavy and use huge amounts of resources to make. Smaller and lighter is the way to go. Reducing speed limits reduces emissions, again that’s the way to go. Refusing to exploit the resources that we are sat on and then importing fuel from others is completely mad. Instead of a sensible balanced approach we have America increasing emissions (and they already emit more carbon per capita than anywhere else in the world); China and India not caring at all and the West buying cheap goods from them; then the UK bankrupting itself to be a “world leader” in cutting emissions whereas in reality nobody else cares, they are watching us and laughing." That is quite a good post.
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"People always forget that the key to managing the environment sustainably is to use less stuff. Stupid people are led to believe (by advertising) that they need something bigger, faster, “better”, newer etc. We should buy fewer items, of better quality, and keep them for longer. Repairing not replacing. Manufacturers should be forced to make stuff repairable. Software companies should not dictate when hardware has to be replaced. Unless they change their mind, Microsoft are going to create a mountain of e-waste next year as their requirements for Windows 11 exclude millions of perfectly good computers. Electric cars have their place but the current crop are heavy and use huge amounts of resources to make. Smaller and lighter is the way to go. Reducing speed limits reduces emissions, again that’s the way to go. Refusing to exploit the resources that we are sat on and then importing fuel from others is completely mad. Instead of a sensible balanced approach we have America increasing emissions (and they already emit more carbon per capita than anywhere else in the world); China and India not caring at all and the West buying cheap goods from them; then the UK bankrupting itself to be a “world leader” in cutting emissions whereas in reality nobody else cares, they are watching us and laughing." I did see that Mid Sussex District Council (LibDem) had been running a “buy nothing new” month but had to abandon it after a backlash from locals, who pointed out that if everyone stopped buying stuff local businesses would go bust. Another example of eco fanaticism hitting the economic reality buffers. | |||
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"People always forget that the key to managing the environment sustainably is to use less stuff. Stupid people are led to believe (by advertising) that they need something bigger, faster, “better”, newer etc. We should buy fewer items, of better quality, and keep them for longer. Repairing not replacing. Manufacturers should be forced to make stuff repairable. Software companies should not dictate when hardware has to be replaced. Unless they change their mind, Microsoft are going to create a mountain of e-waste next year as their requirements for Windows 11 exclude millions of perfectly good computers. Electric cars have their place but the current crop are heavy and use huge amounts of resources to make. Smaller and lighter is the way to go. Reducing speed limits reduces emissions, again that’s the way to go. Refusing to exploit the resources that we are sat on and then importing fuel from others is completely mad. Instead of a sensible balanced approach we have America increasing emissions (and they already emit more carbon per capita than anywhere else in the world); China and India not caring at all and the West buying cheap goods from them; then the UK bankrupting itself to be a “world leader” in cutting emissions whereas in reality nobody else cares, they are watching us and laughing." Excellent post. China and India are laughing their heads off at Europe and Net Zero. | |||
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" I did see that Mid Sussex District Council (LibDem) had been running a “buy nothing new” month but had to abandon it after a backlash from locals, who pointed out that if everyone stopped buying stuff local businesses would go bust. Another example of eco fanaticism hitting the economic reality buffers." Is that because “buy nothing new” is neither sensible or balanced? It seems that it was an initiative designed by buffoons to grab headlines. The changes required are relatively small but they need to be maintained for the long term. | |||
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" I did see that Mid Sussex District Council (LibDem) had been running a “buy nothing new” month but had to abandon it after a backlash from locals, who pointed out that if everyone stopped buying stuff local businesses would go bust. Another example of eco fanaticism hitting the economic reality buffers. Is that because “buy nothing new” is neither sensible or balanced? It seems that it was an initiative designed by buffoons to grab headlines. The changes required are relatively small but they need to be maintained for the long term." The tech industry, which I think is where you focused buying new items for reasons unknown, relies on innovation, fulled by R&D and a steady cashflow to be able to achieve that. We have also got to put into perspective the % of take up on new devices, it is relatively low compared to the number of existing devices still in circulation. however saying that, you are definitely on trend, apple are looking at scaling back yearly releases of new hardware, they have clearly reached a point that does not allow them to innovate their products in a way that offers value for their investment or to the customer. | |||
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"People always forget that the key to managing the environment sustainably is to use less stuff. Stupid people are led to believe (by advertising) that they need something bigger, faster, “better”, newer etc. We should buy fewer items, of better quality, and keep them for longer. Repairing not replacing. Manufacturers should be forced to make stuff repairable. Software companies should not dictate when hardware has to be replaced. Unless they change their mind, Microsoft are going to create a mountain of e-waste next year as their requirements for Windows 11 exclude millions of perfectly good computers. Electric cars have their place but the current crop are heavy and use huge amounts of resources to make. Smaller and lighter is the way to go. Reducing speed limits reduces emissions, again that’s the way to go. Refusing to exploit the resources that we are sat on and then importing fuel from others is completely mad. Instead of a sensible balanced approach we have America increasing emissions (and they already emit more carbon per capita than anywhere else in the world); China and India not caring at all and the West buying cheap goods from them; then the UK bankrupting itself to be a “world leader” in cutting emissions whereas in reality nobody else cares, they are watching us and laughing. I did see that Mid Sussex District Council (LibDem) had been running a “buy nothing new” month but had to abandon it after a backlash from locals, who pointed out that if everyone stopped buying stuff local businesses would go bust. Another example of eco fanaticism hitting the economic reality buffers." Not quite economic buffers but in the aftermath of the Valencia floods a very interesting story has popped up. It seems that in the name of "back to nature" (re-wilding) the EU are pushing a policy of removing dams and Spain is in the forefront of tearing them down (over 200 in the last couple of years) While the usual suspects are shouting climate change from the rafters (to be fair they probably have a bit of a point) many others are saying that the removal of the dams (and the refusal to build a much needed new one) was a contributing factor to the recent devastation. One village was actually saved by a dam built 2000 years ago by the Romans. In the next breath they (the EU among others) are telling us that we have to de-carbonise our electricity generation which is fair enough, within reason. Now I'm sure that some of these now destroyed dams could have been converted to hydroelectric and probably cheaper than windmills. Carbon zero power, get it? It seems that destroying the economy in the name of net zero is all fine and dandy. But when something that would contribute to that goal could get in the way of their re-wilding plans it is completely ignored. Although there was an ironic twist to the EU's re-wilding policy. Mrs Von der Leyen's pet pony was recently killed by some re-wilded wolves. | |||
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" I did see that Mid Sussex District Council (LibDem) had been running a “buy nothing new” month but had to abandon it after a backlash from locals, who pointed out that if everyone stopped buying stuff local businesses would go bust. Another example of eco fanaticism hitting the economic reality buffers. Is that because “buy nothing new” is neither sensible or balanced? It seems that it was an initiative designed by buffoons to grab headlines. The changes required are relatively small but they need to be maintained for the long term. The tech industry, which I think is where you focused buying new items for reasons unknown, relies on innovation, fulled by R&D and a steady cashflow to be able to achieve that. We have also got to put into perspective the % of take up on new devices, it is relatively low compared to the number of existing devices still in circulation. however saying that, you are definitely on trend, apple are looking at scaling back yearly releases of new hardware, they have clearly reached a point that does not allow them to innovate their products in a way that offers value for their investment or to the customer. " It is not just about tech, it is everything that we buy. Clothes, household goods, appliances, tech. Also applies to food - buy stuff which is in season, reducing imports where possible. Eat less meat, use tinned and preserved foods mixed with fresh. Etc…. Saves money and helps the environment without materially affecting your lifestyle. | |||
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" Another example of eco fanaticism hitting the economic reality buffers." This says it all. On one side we have the science and long term economic advantages. On the other we have ever increasingly expensive fossil fuels, oil company profits and environmental destruction. A significant percentage of the population have been taken in and fight tooth and nail for energy insecurity, profits for big corporations over their own wallet and the health of the planet. | |||
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" I did see that Mid Sussex District Council (LibDem) had been running a “buy nothing new” month but had to abandon it after a backlash from locals, who pointed out that if everyone stopped buying stuff local businesses would go bust. Another example of eco fanaticism hitting the economic reality buffers. Is that because “buy nothing new” is neither sensible or balanced? It seems that it was an initiative designed by buffoons to grab headlines. The changes required are relatively small but they need to be maintained for the long term. The tech industry, which I think is where you focused buying new items for reasons unknown, relies on innovation, fulled by R&D and a steady cashflow to be able to achieve that. We have also got to put into perspective the % of take up on new devices, it is relatively low compared to the number of existing devices still in circulation. however saying that, you are definitely on trend, apple are looking at scaling back yearly releases of new hardware, they have clearly reached a point that does not allow them to innovate their products in a way that offers value for their investment or to the customer. It is not just about tech, it is everything that we buy. Clothes, household goods, appliances, tech. Also applies to food - buy stuff which is in season, reducing imports where possible. Eat less meat, use tinned and preserved foods mixed with fresh. Etc…. Saves money and helps the environment without materially affecting your lifestyle." This is all a very important part of the puzzle. | |||
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" I did see that Mid Sussex District Council (LibDem) had been running a “buy nothing new” month but had to abandon it after a backlash from locals, who pointed out that if everyone stopped buying stuff local businesses would go bust. Another example of eco fanaticism hitting the economic reality buffers. Is that because “buy nothing new” is neither sensible or balanced? It seems that it was an initiative designed by buffoons to grab headlines. The changes required are relatively small but they need to be maintained for the long term. The tech industry, which I think is where you focused buying new items for reasons unknown, relies on innovation, fulled by R&D and a steady cashflow to be able to achieve that. We have also got to put into perspective the % of take up on new devices, it is relatively low compared to the number of existing devices still in circulation. however saying that, you are definitely on trend, apple are looking at scaling back yearly releases of new hardware, they have clearly reached a point that does not allow them to innovate their products in a way that offers value for their investment or to the customer. It is not just about tech, it is everything that we buy. Clothes, household goods, appliances, tech. Also applies to food - buy stuff which is in season, reducing imports where possible. Eat less meat, use tinned and preserved foods mixed with fresh. Etc…. Saves money and helps the environment without materially affecting your lifestyle." How do you think the economic impact would be managed if material lifestyles were to end? Our country and most others are based on capitalism. Are you saying we should dictate peoples diets, when they could and couldn’t purchase new clothes, don’t you think this is overreaching? | |||
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" I did see that Mid Sussex District Council (LibDem) had been running a “buy nothing new” month but had to abandon it after a backlash from locals, who pointed out that if everyone stopped buying stuff local businesses would go bust. Another example of eco fanaticism hitting the economic reality buffers. Is that because “buy nothing new” is neither sensible or balanced? It seems that it was an initiative designed by buffoons to grab headlines. The changes required are relatively small but they need to be maintained for the long term. The tech industry, which I think is where you focused buying new items for reasons unknown, relies on innovation, fulled by R&D and a steady cashflow to be able to achieve that. We have also got to put into perspective the % of take up on new devices, it is relatively low compared to the number of existing devices still in circulation. however saying that, you are definitely on trend, apple are looking at scaling back yearly releases of new hardware, they have clearly reached a point that does not allow them to innovate their products in a way that offers value for their investment or to the customer. It is not just about tech, it is everything that we buy. Clothes, household goods, appliances, tech. Also applies to food - buy stuff which is in season, reducing imports where possible. Eat less meat, use tinned and preserved foods mixed with fresh. Etc…. Saves money and helps the environment without materially affecting your lifestyle. How do you think the economic impact would be managed if material lifestyles were to end? Our country and most others are based on capitalism. Are you saying we should dictate peoples diets, when they could and couldn’t purchase new clothes, don’t you think this is overreaching? " Education is they key, people should want to do these things because they understand the benefis, and they understand the impact of either not taking any action. | |||
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" I did see that Mid Sussex District Council (LibDem) had been running a “buy nothing new” month but had to abandon it after a backlash from locals, who pointed out that if everyone stopped buying stuff local businesses would go bust. Another example of eco fanaticism hitting the economic reality buffers. Is that because “buy nothing new” is neither sensible or balanced? It seems that it was an initiative designed by buffoons to grab headlines. The changes required are relatively small but they need to be maintained for the long term. The tech industry, which I think is where you focused buying new items for reasons unknown, relies on innovation, fulled by R&D and a steady cashflow to be able to achieve that. We have also got to put into perspective the % of take up on new devices, it is relatively low compared to the number of existing devices still in circulation. however saying that, you are definitely on trend, apple are looking at scaling back yearly releases of new hardware, they have clearly reached a point that does not allow them to innovate their products in a way that offers value for their investment or to the customer. It is not just about tech, it is everything that we buy. Clothes, household goods, appliances, tech. Also applies to food - buy stuff which is in season, reducing imports where possible. Eat less meat, use tinned and preserved foods mixed with fresh. Etc…. Saves money and helps the environment without materially affecting your lifestyle. How do you think the economic impact would be managed if material lifestyles were to end? Our country and most others are based on capitalism. Are you saying we should dictate peoples diets, when they could and couldn’t purchase new clothes, don’t you think this is overreaching? Education is they key, people should want to do these things because they understand the benefis, and they understand the impact of either not taking any action." What are the benefits and/impact in say 50 years time? | |||
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" I did see that Mid Sussex District Council (LibDem) had been running a “buy nothing new” month but had to abandon it after a backlash from locals, who pointed out that if everyone stopped buying stuff local businesses would go bust. Another example of eco fanaticism hitting the economic reality buffers. Is that because “buy nothing new” is neither sensible or balanced? It seems that it was an initiative designed by buffoons to grab headlines. The changes required are relatively small but they need to be maintained for the long term. The tech industry, which I think is where you focused buying new items for reasons unknown, relies on innovation, fulled by R&D and a steady cashflow to be able to achieve that. We have also got to put into perspective the % of take up on new devices, it is relatively low compared to the number of existing devices still in circulation. however saying that, you are definitely on trend, apple are looking at scaling back yearly releases of new hardware, they have clearly reached a point that does not allow them to innovate their products in a way that offers value for their investment or to the customer. It is not just about tech, it is everything that we buy. Clothes, household goods, appliances, tech. Also applies to food - buy stuff which is in season, reducing imports where possible. Eat less meat, use tinned and preserved foods mixed with fresh. Etc…. Saves money and helps the environment without materially affecting your lifestyle. How do you think the economic impact would be managed if material lifestyles were to end? Our country and most others are based on capitalism. Are you saying we should dictate peoples diets, when they could and couldn’t purchase new clothes, don’t you think this is overreaching? Education is they key, people should want to do these things because they understand the benefis, and they understand the impact of either not taking any action."  it’s ok telling ppl to do something but what have you done your a scientist arnt you so you must of changed your life drastically? | |||
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" I did see that Mid Sussex District Council (LibDem) had been running a “buy nothing new” month but had to abandon it after a backlash from locals, who pointed out that if everyone stopped buying stuff local businesses would go bust. Another example of eco fanaticism hitting the economic reality buffers. Is that because “buy nothing new” is neither sensible or balanced? It seems that it was an initiative designed by buffoons to grab headlines. The changes required are relatively small but they need to be maintained for the long term. The tech industry, which I think is where you focused buying new items for reasons unknown, relies on innovation, fulled by R&D and a steady cashflow to be able to achieve that. We have also got to put into perspective the % of take up on new devices, it is relatively low compared to the number of existing devices still in circulation. however saying that, you are definitely on trend, apple are looking at scaling back yearly releases of new hardware, they have clearly reached a point that does not allow them to innovate their products in a way that offers value for their investment or to the customer. It is not just about tech, it is everything that we buy. Clothes, household goods, appliances, tech. Also applies to food - buy stuff which is in season, reducing imports where possible. Eat less meat, use tinned and preserved foods mixed with fresh. Etc…. Saves money and helps the environment without materially affecting your lifestyle. How do you think the economic impact would be managed if material lifestyles were to end? Our country and most others are based on capitalism. Are you saying we should dictate peoples diets, when they could and couldn’t purchase new clothes, don’t you think this is overreaching? Education is they key, people should want to do these things because they understand the benefis, and they understand the impact of either not taking any action. it’s ok telling ppl to do something but what have you done your a scientist arnt you so you must of changed your life drastically?"No, it's not about telling people to do something. It's about giving people the knowledge to make the best choices. That's the way I believe meaningful change will happen. | |||
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" I did see that Mid Sussex District Council (LibDem) had been running a “buy nothing new” month but had to abandon it after a backlash from locals, who pointed out that if everyone stopped buying stuff local businesses would go bust. Another example of eco fanaticism hitting the economic reality buffers. Is that because “buy nothing new” is neither sensible or balanced? It seems that it was an initiative designed by buffoons to grab headlines. The changes required are relatively small but they need to be maintained for the long term. The tech industry, which I think is where you focused buying new items for reasons unknown, relies on innovation, fulled by R&D and a steady cashflow to be able to achieve that. We have also got to put into perspective the % of take up on new devices, it is relatively low compared to the number of existing devices still in circulation. however saying that, you are definitely on trend, apple are looking at scaling back yearly releases of new hardware, they have clearly reached a point that does not allow them to innovate their products in a way that offers value for their investment or to the customer. It is not just about tech, it is everything that we buy. Clothes, household goods, appliances, tech. Also applies to food - buy stuff which is in season, reducing imports where possible. Eat less meat, use tinned and preserved foods mixed with fresh. Etc…. Saves money and helps the environment without materially affecting your lifestyle. How do you think the economic impact would be managed if material lifestyles were to end? Our country and most others are based on capitalism. Are you saying we should dictate peoples diets, when they could and couldn’t purchase new clothes, don’t you think this is overreaching? Education is they key, people should want to do these things because they understand the benefis, and they understand the impact of either not taking any action. it’s ok telling ppl to do something but what have you done your a scientist arnt you so you must of changed your life drastically?
No, it's not about telling people to do something. It's about giving people the knowledge to make the best choices.
That's the way I believe meaningful change will happen."exucation telling not much diffrence tbf give me some tips then what have you done your a very well educated bloke | |||
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" I did see that Mid Sussex District Council (LibDem) had been running a “buy nothing new” month but had to abandon it after a backlash from locals, who pointed out that if everyone stopped buying stuff local businesses would go bust. Another example of eco fanaticism hitting the economic reality buffers. Is that because “buy nothing new” is neither sensible or balanced? It seems that it was an initiative designed by buffoons to grab headlines. The changes required are relatively small but they need to be maintained for the long term. The tech industry, which I think is where you focused buying new items for reasons unknown, relies on innovation, fulled by R&D and a steady cashflow to be able to achieve that. We have also got to put into perspective the % of take up on new devices, it is relatively low compared to the number of existing devices still in circulation. however saying that, you are definitely on trend, apple are looking at scaling back yearly releases of new hardware, they have clearly reached a point that does not allow them to innovate their products in a way that offers value for their investment or to the customer. It is not just about tech, it is everything that we buy. Clothes, household goods, appliances, tech. Also applies to food - buy stuff which is in season, reducing imports where possible. Eat less meat, use tinned and preserved foods mixed with fresh. Etc…. Saves money and helps the environment without materially affecting your lifestyle. How do you think the economic impact would be managed if material lifestyles were to end? Our country and most others are based on capitalism. Are you saying we should dictate peoples diets, when they could and couldn’t purchase new clothes, don’t you think this is overreaching? Education is they key, people should want to do these things because they understand the benefis, and they understand the impact of either not taking any action. it’s ok telling ppl to do something but what have you done your a scientist arnt you so you must of changed your life drastically?
No, it's not about telling people to do something. It's about giving people the knowledge to make the best choices.
That's the way I believe meaningful change will happen."You spend most of your time on here ridiculing people who 'don't understand science'. Not once have u seen you attempt to give anyone any information to help them be more knowledgeable. Scientist  | |||
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" I did see that Mid Sussex District Council (LibDem) had been running a “buy nothing new” month but had to abandon it after a backlash from locals, who pointed out that if everyone stopped buying stuff local businesses would go bust. Another example of eco fanaticism hitting the economic reality buffers. Is that because “buy nothing new” is neither sensible or balanced? It seems that it was an initiative designed by buffoons to grab headlines. The changes required are relatively small but they need to be maintained for the long term. The tech industry, which I think is where you focused buying new items for reasons unknown, relies on innovation, fulled by R&D and a steady cashflow to be able to achieve that. We have also got to put into perspective the % of take up on new devices, it is relatively low compared to the number of existing devices still in circulation. however saying that, you are definitely on trend, apple are looking at scaling back yearly releases of new hardware, they have clearly reached a point that does not allow them to innovate their products in a way that offers value for their investment or to the customer. It is not just about tech, it is everything that we buy. Clothes, household goods, appliances, tech. Also applies to food - buy stuff which is in season, reducing imports where possible. Eat less meat, use tinned and preserved foods mixed with fresh. Etc…. Saves money and helps the environment without materially affecting your lifestyle. How do you think the economic impact would be managed if material lifestyles were to end? Our country and most others are based on capitalism. Are you saying we should dictate peoples diets, when they could and couldn’t purchase new clothes, don’t you think this is overreaching? Education is they key, people should want to do these things because they understand the benefis, and they understand the impact of either not taking any action." Education is certainly the key, but it is not an educational straight line with no opposite travel. From an economic perspective it would be foolish to undertake radical change that would further hinder the structure of the country, making it less productive, more expensive to live in and downgrading lifestyles when other countries are not doing that. We can't take the moral high ground at the expense of our infrastructure, however we can use our resources to provide the tools to flourish, build and develop. This might be further and more concentrated use of fossil fuels, build the wealth, productivity and trade, build a prosperous country to support the future state. This foundation would enable us to invest in sustainable future practices without sacrificing our quality of life. If economic growth and stability aren’t prioritised, resistance to change is inevitable | |||
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" I did see that Mid Sussex District Council (LibDem) had been running a “buy nothing new” month but had to abandon it after a backlash from locals, who pointed out that if everyone stopped buying stuff local businesses would go bust. Another example of eco fanaticism hitting the economic reality buffers. Is that because “buy nothing new” is neither sensible or balanced? It seems that it was an initiative designed by buffoons to grab headlines. The changes required are relatively small but they need to be maintained for the long term. The tech industry, which I think is where you focused buying new items for reasons unknown, relies on innovation, fulled by R&D and a steady cashflow to be able to achieve that. We have also got to put into perspective the % of take up on new devices, it is relatively low compared to the number of existing devices still in circulation. however saying that, you are definitely on trend, apple are looking at scaling back yearly releases of new hardware, they have clearly reached a point that does not allow them to innovate their products in a way that offers value for their investment or to the customer. It is not just about tech, it is everything that we buy. Clothes, household goods, appliances, tech. Also applies to food - buy stuff which is in season, reducing imports where possible. Eat less meat, use tinned and preserved foods mixed with fresh. Etc…. Saves money and helps the environment without materially affecting your lifestyle. How do you think the economic impact would be managed if material lifestyles were to end? Our country and most others are based on capitalism. Are you saying we should dictate peoples diets, when they could and couldn’t purchase new clothes, don’t you think this is overreaching? Education is they key, people should want to do these things because they understand the benefis, and they understand the impact of either not taking any action. Education is certainly the key, but it is not an educational straight line with no opposite travel. " I agree. And the going backwards is the problem. " From an economic perspective it would be foolish to undertake radical change that would further hinder the structure of the country, making it less productive, more expensive to live in and downgrading lifestyles when other countries are not doing that. " No one is suggesting that, we just want progress in the right direction. " We can't take the moral high ground at the expense of our infrastructure, however we can use our resources to provide the tools to flourish, build and develop. This might be further and more concentrated use of fossil fuels, build the wealth, productivity and trade, build a prosperous country to support the future state. This foundation would enable us to invest in sustainable future practices without sacrificing our quality of life. If economic growth and stability aren’t prioritised, resistance to change is inevitable " We've been dawdling along like this since the 80s. The longer we leave it, the worse the problem becomes. | |||
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" I did see that Mid Sussex District Council (LibDem) had been running a “buy nothing new” month but had to abandon it after a backlash from locals, who pointed out that if everyone stopped buying stuff local businesses would go bust. Another example of eco fanaticism hitting the economic reality buffers. Is that because “buy nothing new” is neither sensible or balanced? It seems that it was an initiative designed by buffoons to grab headlines. The changes required are relatively small but they need to be maintained for the long term. The tech industry, which I think is where you focused buying new items for reasons unknown, relies on innovation, fulled by R&D and a steady cashflow to be able to achieve that. We have also got to put into perspective the % of take up on new devices, it is relatively low compared to the number of existing devices still in circulation. however saying that, you are definitely on trend, apple are looking at scaling back yearly releases of new hardware, they have clearly reached a point that does not allow them to innovate their products in a way that offers value for their investment or to the customer. It is not just about tech, it is everything that we buy. Clothes, household goods, appliances, tech. Also applies to food - buy stuff which is in season, reducing imports where possible. Eat less meat, use tinned and preserved foods mixed with fresh. Etc…. Saves money and helps the environment without materially affecting your lifestyle. How do you think the economic impact would be managed if material lifestyles were to end? Our country and most others are based on capitalism. Are you saying we should dictate peoples diets, when they could and couldn’t purchase new clothes, don’t you think this is overreaching? Education is they key, people should want to do these things because they understand the benefis, and they understand the impact of either not taking any action. it’s ok telling ppl to do something but what have you done your a scientist arnt you so you must of changed your life drastically?
No, it's not about telling people to do something. It's about giving people the knowledge to make the best choices.
That's the way I believe meaningful change will happen.exucation telling not much diffrence tbf give me some tips then what have you done your a very well educated bloke "Educating and telling are two completely opposite ends of the spectrum. One gives people the knowledge to make their informed choices. The other is telling someone what to do without giving them any choice or knowledge. | |||
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"For those who say India is laughing. They may be running late but they are running. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-09-16/india-gets-386-billion-financing-pledge-for-green-energy-push As I mentioned above green energy gives lots of countries energy independence. It’s not only good for the planet but more importantly it’s good for their economy. Ignore green technology at your financial peril. " They have had a strong economy for a number of years now, which was point of my post above. | |||
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"The uk is one of least contributors to global warming , but we are one of the most taxed with regards to green policies , All this while Germany India china Pakistan just to mentions few , are turning back to fossil fuels , " | |||
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"For those who say India is laughing. They may be running late but they are running. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-09-16/india-gets-386-billion-financing-pledge-for-green-energy-push As I mentioned above green energy gives lots of countries energy independence. It’s not only good for the planet but more importantly it’s good for their economy. Ignore green technology at your financial peril. " India and China are both massively increasing their fossil fuel use (especially coal) while also investing in renewables, strengthening their economies.We are thrashing our economies by abandoning the fossil fuels which are easily available to us while investing in currently uunreliable renewables. That's why they are laughing at us. | |||
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"For those who say India is laughing. They may be running late but they are running. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-09-16/india-gets-386-billion-financing-pledge-for-green-energy-push As I mentioned above green energy gives lots of countries energy independence. It’s not only good for the planet but more importantly it’s good for their economy. Ignore green technology at your financial peril. India and China are both massively increasing their fossil fuel use (especially coal) while also investing in renewables, strengthening their economies.We are thrashing our economies by abandoning the fossil fuels which are easily available to us while investing in currently uunreliable renewables. That's why they are laughing at us." This is exactly point. There's so much misinformation around pushed by the fossil fuels industry, that we end up with this kind of nonsense. | |||
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"For those who say India is laughing. They may be running late but they are running. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-09-16/india-gets-386-billion-financing-pledge-for-green-energy-push As I mentioned above green energy gives lots of countries energy independence. It’s not only good for the planet but more importantly it’s good for their economy. Ignore green technology at your financial peril. India and China are both massively increasing their fossil fuel use (especially coal) while also investing in renewables, strengthening their economies.We are thrashing our economies by abandoning the fossil fuels which are easily available to us while investing in currently uunreliable renewables. That's why they are laughing at us. This is exactly point. There's so much misinformation around pushed by the fossil fuels industry, that we end up with this kind of nonsense. " agree but I think both sides do it | |||
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"For those who say India is laughing. They may be running late but they are running. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-09-16/india-gets-386-billion-financing-pledge-for-green-energy-push As I mentioned above green energy gives lots of countries energy independence. It’s not only good for the planet but more importantly it’s good for their economy. Ignore green technology at your financial peril. India and China are both massively increasing their fossil fuel use (especially coal) while also investing in renewables, strengthening their economies.We are thrashing our economies by abandoning the fossil fuels which are easily available to us while investing in currently uunreliable renewables. That's why they are laughing at us. This is exactly point. There's so much misinformation around pushed by the fossil fuels industry, that we end up with this kind of nonsense. agree but I think both sides do it " The side that represents real life information, scientific knowledge, and advice from people who have studied in this field are also spreading nonsense in the same way as the side based on misinformation, psudo-science sponsored by the fossil fuels industry and fake news stories? Do you have an example? | |||
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"For those who say India is laughing. They may be running late but they are running. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-09-16/india-gets-386-billion-financing-pledge-for-green-energy-push As I mentioned above green energy gives lots of countries energy independence. It’s not only good for the planet but more importantly it’s good for their economy. Ignore green technology at your financial peril. India and China are both massively increasing their fossil fuel use (especially coal) while also investing in renewables, strengthening their economies.We are thrashing our economies by abandoning the fossil fuels which are easily available to us while investing in currently uunreliable renewables. That's why they are laughing at us." Unreliable how exactly, seeing as up to 45% of our energy is now renewables? It will be over 50% very soon. Coal stations did sometimes fail and need to be shut down for servicing so over capacity was always needed just as wind etc needs over capacity. The data is out there to read. The daily fail will have you all believe it’s a few odd guys in a field blowing a kids wind toy. . I’m not advocating abandon our oil I’m advocating be a leader in the new technology as it could be a very big win for the U.K in replacing some of our lost manufacturing base. If we don’t invest we don’t even have a chance in the game. We will be forever relying on others and subject to others price demands. For the record India has targets to de-carbonise hence the investment in renewables being ramped up to overtake the growth demand in their economy. All the time we sit there wringing our hands and saying oh I’m not sure about this. | |||
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"Also of course India is a vast country with lots of sunshine. They're not giving up good farm land to install solar." Yeah, they are mostly being built over deserts or other useless land. The recent innovation is to build it over canals to help avoid evaporation of water as India frequently suffers from water shortages in summer. | |||
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"Renewables provide less than 10% of the energy the UK uses. Wind and solar are obviously unreliable and they are weather dependent and there is no way to store most of this energy during excess production. India and China understand this so will not ruin their economies by abandoning fossil fuels until they know for sure they can be properly replaced. India's net zero target is 2070 ! If you don't think that's comical I don't know what to tell you
"43% of our electricity is generated by renewables . This increases in the winter due to more capacity in wind than solar. Source- the national grid website. Large scale storage facilities are planned in a least two locations up in the north of England so the storage is being addressed actively as we speak. As for comical, the U.K. became the world’s industrial powerhouse during the Industrial Revolution. Did that take 10 or 20 years or was it longer? With such short term thinking you could be an MP.  | |||
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"Also of course India is a vast country with lots of sunshine. They're not giving up good farm land to install solar. Yeah, they are mostly being built over deserts or other useless land. The recent innovation is to build it over canals to help avoid evaporation of water as India frequently suffers from water shortages in summer." They are also investing heavily in biogas from their enormous amounts of waste. | |||
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"Renewables provide less than 10% of the energy the UK uses. Wind and solar are obviously unreliable and they are weather dependent and there is no way to store most of this energy during excess production. India and China understand this so will not ruin their economies by abandoning fossil fuels until they know for sure they can be properly replaced. India's net zero target is 2070 ! If you don't think that's comical I don't know what to tell you
43% of our electricity is generated by renewables . This increases in the winter due to more capacity in wind than solar.
Source- the national grid website.
Large scale storage facilities are planned in a least two locations up in the north of England so the storage is being addressed actively as we speak.
As for comical, the U.K. became the world’s industrial powerhouse during the Industrial Revolution. Did that take 10 or 20 years or was it longer?
With such short term thinking you could be an MP.
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"Renewables provide less than 10% of the energy the UK uses. Wind and solar are obviously unreliable and they are weather dependent and there is no way to store most of this energy during excess production. India and China understand this so will not ruin their economies by abandoning fossil fuels until they know for sure they can be properly replaced. India's net zero target is 2070 ! If you don't think that's comical I don't know what to tell you
43% of our electricity is generated by renewables . This increases in the winter due to more capacity in wind than solar.
Source- the national grid website.
Large scale storage facilities are planned in a least two locations up in the north of England so the storage is being addressed actively as we speak.
As for comical, the U.K. became the world’s industrial powerhouse during the Industrial Revolution. Did that take 10 or 20 years or was it longer?
With such short term thinking you could be an MP.
If you're going to be sarcastic you really should know what you're talking about.
43% is the figure for electricity produced in the UK. It’s not the figure for the electricity we use."You said I think you will admit! So no offence intended or taken.
You are correct with Nuclear from France and the whole point of the debate is what we produce which is growing and will give us independence from both imported electricity and gas .
Please see my point above about energy independence .
I don’t understand your resistance to new technology?
Oil has been a lifebelt for our economy for decades and as I said I don’t want it abandoned. I do think most will admit that as an opportunity it has been wasted compared to the likes of Norway.
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"Renewables provide less than 10% of the energy the UK uses. Wind and solar are obviously unreliable and they are weather dependent and there is no way to store most of this energy during excess production. India and China understand this so will not ruin their economies by abandoning fossil fuels until they know for sure they can be properly replaced. India's net zero target is 2070 ! If you don't think that's comical I don't know what to tell you
"This is incorrect. Renewables generated 38.1% of the electricity in the national grid over the last year. | |||
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"Renewables provide less than 10% of the energy the UK uses. Wind and solar are obviously unreliable and they are weather dependent and there is no way to store most of this energy during excess production. India and China understand this so will not ruin their economies by abandoning fossil fuels until they know for sure they can be properly replaced. India's net zero target is 2070 ! If you don't think that's comical I don't know what to tell you
"Also, India and China are investing heavily in renewable energy. We're currently ruining our economy long term by staying tied to fossil fuels. | |||
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"Renewables provide less than 10% of the energy the UK uses. Wind and solar are obviously unreliable and they are weather dependent and there is no way to store most of this energy during excess production. India and China understand this so will not ruin their economies by abandoning fossil fuels until they know for sure they can be properly replaced. India's net zero target is 2070 ! If you don't think that's comical I don't know what to tell you
This is incorrect.
Renewables generated 38.1% of the electricity in the national grid over the last year.
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"Renewables provide less than 10% of the energy the UK uses. Wind and solar are obviously unreliable and they are weather dependent and there is no way to store most of this energy during excess production. India and China understand this so will not ruin their economies by abandoning fossil fuels until they know for sure they can be properly replaced. India's net zero target is 2070 ! If you don't think that's comical I don't know what to tell you
This is incorrect.
Renewables generated 38.1% of the electricity in the national grid over the last year.
What about for the last ten days? "There are figures for the last day, or the last week. I don't have the last ten days available. | |||
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"Renewables provide less than 10% of the energy the UK uses. Wind and solar are obviously unreliable and they are weather dependent and there is no way to store most of this energy during excess production. India and China understand this so will not ruin their economies by abandoning fossil fuels until they know for sure they can be properly replaced. India's net zero target is 2070 ! If you don't think that's comical I don't know what to tell you
This is incorrect.
Renewables generated 38.1% of the electricity in the national grid over the last year.
What about for the last ten days?
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"Renewables provide less than 10% of the energy the UK uses. Wind and solar are obviously unreliable and they are weather dependent and there is no way to store most of this energy during excess production. India and China understand this so will not ruin their economies by abandoning fossil fuels until they know for sure they can be properly replaced. India's net zero target is 2070 ! If you don't think that's comical I don't know what to tell you
This is incorrect.
Renewables generated 38.1% of the electricity in the national grid over the last year.
"You are also misunderstanding the figures. That figure is for electricity generated within the UK but we are heavily reliant on imported energy. Renewables make up less than 10% of the total energy we use, gas is over 30%. | |||
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"For those who say India is laughing. They may be running late but they are running. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-09-16/india-gets-386-billion-financing-pledge-for-green-energy-push As I mentioned above green energy gives lots of countries energy independence. It’s not only good for the planet but more importantly it’s good for their economy. Ignore green technology at your financial peril. India and China are both massively increasing their fossil fuel use (especially coal) while also investing in renewables, strengthening their economies.We are thrashing our economies by abandoning the fossil fuels which are easily available to us while investing in currently uunreliable renewables. That's why they are laughing at us. This is exactly point. There's so much misinformation around pushed by the fossil fuels industry, that we end up with this kind of nonsense. agree but I think both sides do it The side that represents real life information, scientific knowledge, and advice from people who have studied in this field are also spreading nonsense in the same way as the side based on misinformation, psudo-science sponsored by the fossil fuels industry and fake news stories? Do you have an example?" The science will always supplement the political direction and the economy of a country, it will never lead it above all else. You personally will believe that to be the wrong order of priority, I believe it to be the correct order. Take COVID as an example: Economists and political leaders decided when lockdowns had to end, even though science initially advised otherwise. This structure prevents knee-jerk decisions, like extreme activists such as JSO might push for, we would be sitting in the dark right now if it was left to them. (Maybe not the best example with our new governments decisions). To draw this to a close, we know there is a need to reduce pollutants that are impacting our climate, we also know we need to be able to function, provide and thrive as a society in the here and now, the direction we take will be driven by economic and social measures above all else. | |||
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"According to Drax we imported at our highest level of electricity this year which was 20% so Leoblooms was correct in his point. There are a lot of renewable projects being developed which are intended to reduce our import reliance . " Thank you and apologies for my intemperate reply before! 
I am very much not resistant to renewables but I think it is economic suicide to be too dependent on them until we can be sure they will fulfil the majority of our energy use.
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"Renewables provide less than 10% of the energy the UK uses. Wind and solar are obviously unreliable and they are weather dependent and there is no way to store most of this energy during excess production. India and China understand this so will not ruin their economies by abandoning fossil fuels until they know for sure they can be properly replaced. India's net zero target is 2070 ! If you don't think that's comical I don't know what to tell you
This is incorrect.
Renewables generated 38.1% of the electricity in the national grid over the last year.
You are also misunderstanding the figures. That figure is for electricity generated within the UK but we are heavily reliant on imported energy. Renewables make up less than 10% of the total energy we use, gas is over 30%."21.9% of our electricity was imported. Largely generated by nuclear. Your figures are incorrect. | |||
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"For those who say India is laughing. They may be running late but they are running. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-09-16/india-gets-386-billion-financing-pledge-for-green-energy-push As I mentioned above green energy gives lots of countries energy independence. It’s not only good for the planet but more importantly it’s good for their economy. Ignore green technology at your financial peril. India and China are both massively increasing their fossil fuel use (especially coal) while also investing in renewables, strengthening their economies.We are thrashing our economies by abandoning the fossil fuels which are easily available to us while investing in currently uunreliable renewables. That's why they are laughing at us. This is exactly point. There's so much misinformation around pushed by the fossil fuels industry, that we end up with this kind of nonsense. agree but I think both sides do it The side that represents real life information, scientific knowledge, and advice from people who have studied in this field are also spreading nonsense in the same way as the side based on misinformation, psudo-science sponsored by the fossil fuels industry and fake news stories? Do you have an example? The science will always supplement the political direction and the economy of a country, it will never lead it above all else. You personally will believe that to be the wrong order of priority, I believe it to be the correct order. Take COVID as an example: Economists and political leaders decided when lockdowns had to end, even though science initially advised otherwise. This structure prevents knee-jerk decisions, like extreme activists such as JSO might push for, we would be sitting in the dark right now if it was left to them. (Maybe not the best example with our new governments decisions). To draw this to a close, we know there is a need to reduce pollutants that are impacting our climate, we also know we need to be able to function, provide and thrive as a society in the here and now, the direction we take will be driven by economic and social measures above all else. " The Covid example is spot on. Scientists are experts in their own fields. But decisions governing big societies involve numerous factors beyond a single scientific group's area of expertise. A specialist in pathology will not know the impact of loneliness in lockdown. A psychologist who understands the impact of loneliness wouldn't understand how the economic impact will take more lives in the long term. Economists wouldn't know how the impact of lockdown on children who don't meet other children in the period of growth. Eventually the society has to make decisions assessing impact on all these. Some hard decisions have to be made and not everyone will be happy. | |||
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"Renewables provide less than 10% of the energy the UK uses. Wind and solar are obviously unreliable and they are weather dependent and there is no way to store most of this energy during excess production. India and China understand this so will not ruin their economies by abandoning fossil fuels until they know for sure they can be properly replaced. India's net zero target is 2070 ! If you don't think that's comical I don't know what to tell you
This is incorrect.
Renewables generated 38.1% of the electricity in the national grid over the last year.
What about for the last ten days?
There are figures for the last day, or the last week. I don't have the last ten days available.
Last week will do "13.5% Look for a site called "National Grid Live". That has the stats | |||
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"For those who say India is laughing. They may be running late but they are running. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-09-16/india-gets-386-billion-financing-pledge-for-green-energy-push As I mentioned above green energy gives lots of countries energy independence. It’s not only good for the planet but more importantly it’s good for their economy. Ignore green technology at your financial peril. India and China are both massively increasing their fossil fuel use (especially coal) while also investing in renewables, strengthening their economies.We are thrashing our economies by abandoning the fossil fuels which are easily available to us while investing in currently uunreliable renewables. That's why they are laughing at us. This is exactly point. There's so much misinformation around pushed by the fossil fuels industry, that we end up with this kind of nonsense. agree but I think both sides do it The side that represents real life information, scientific knowledge, and advice from people who have studied in this field are also spreading nonsense in the same way as the side based on misinformation, psudo-science sponsored by the fossil fuels industry and fake news stories? Do you have an example? The science will always supplement the political direction and the economy of a country, it will never lead it above all else. You personally will believe that to be the wrong order of priority, I believe it to be the correct order. " Correct, I believe on matters of science. We should take direction from what the science tells us. Over say size of the donation from fossil fuel company CEOs, or psudo-science. " Take COVID as an example: Economists and political leaders decided when lockdowns had to end, even though science initially advised otherwise. " Good example, the science told us that covid wasn't as much of a threat, so a balance was struck between the need to get the country moving, and the reduced severity of the virus. Although this is completely different from tackling climate change " This structure prevents knee-jerk decisions, like extreme activists such as JSO might push for, we would be sitting in the dark right now if it was left to them. (Maybe not the best example with our new governments decisions). " Bit of a strawman argument here. Fossil fuels are never going to be switched off over night. " To draw this to a close, we know there is a need to reduce pollutants that are impacting our climate, we also know we need to be able to function, provide and thrive as a society in the here and now, the direction we take will be driven by economic and social measures above all else. " Well articulated point. But we're currently heading face first into long term economic reliance on fossil fuels which is bad for the economy, and bad for the household and bad for British businesses. Not to mention the inadequate action on tackling climate change. Transitioning to renewable energy is a win/win. Especially in the long term. | |||
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"Renewables provide less than 10% of the energy the UK uses. Wind and solar are obviously unreliable and they are weather dependent and there is no way to store most of this energy during excess production. India and China understand this so will not ruin their economies by abandoning fossil fuels until they know for sure they can be properly replaced. India's net zero target is 2070 ! If you don't think that's comical I don't know what to tell you
This is incorrect.
Renewables generated 38.1% of the electricity in the national grid over the last year.
What about for the last ten days?
There are figures for the last day, or the last week. I don't have the last ten days available.
Last week will do
13.5%
Look for a site called "National Grid Live". That has the stats
"Be very surprised, as no sun or wind for over a week. Do they include rubbish burnt in that figures? | |||
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"Renewables provide less than 10% of the energy the UK uses. Wind and solar are obviously unreliable and they are weather dependent and there is no way to store most of this energy during excess production. India and China understand this so will not ruin their economies by abandoning fossil fuels until they know for sure they can be properly replaced. India's net zero target is 2070 ! If you don't think that's comical I don't know what to tell you
This is incorrect.
Renewables generated 38.1% of the electricity in the national grid over the last year.
What about for the last ten days?
There are figures for the last day, or the last week. I don't have the last ten days available.
Last week will do
13.5%
Look for a site called "National Grid Live". That has the stats
Be very surprised, as no sun or wind for over a week. Do they include rubbish burnt in that figures?"No, it's made up of wind, solar and hydroelectric. | |||
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"Renewables provide less than 10% of the energy the UK uses. Wind and solar are obviously unreliable and they are weather dependent and there is no way to store most of this energy during excess production. India and China understand this so will not ruin their economies by abandoning fossil fuels until they know for sure they can be properly replaced. India's net zero target is 2070 ! If you don't think that's comical I don't know what to tell you
This is incorrect.
Renewables generated 38.1% of the electricity in the national grid over the last year.
What about for the last ten days?
There are figures for the last day, or the last week. I don't have the last ten days available.
Last week will do
13.5%
Look for a site called "National Grid Live". That has the stats
Be very surprised, as no sun or wind for over a week. Do they include rubbish burnt in that figures?
No, it's made up of wind, solar and hydroelectric."Considering the weather, ain't you a bit suspicious about the figures? | |||
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"Renewables provide less than 10% of the energy the UK uses. Wind and solar are obviously unreliable and they are weather dependent and there is no way to store most of this energy during excess production. India and China understand this so will not ruin their economies by abandoning fossil fuels until they know for sure they can be properly replaced. India's net zero target is 2070 ! If you don't think that's comical I don't know what to tell you
This is incorrect.
Renewables generated 38.1% of the electricity in the national grid over the last year.
What about for the last ten days?
There are figures for the last day, or the last week. I don't have the last ten days available.
Last week will do
13.5%
Look for a site called "National Grid Live". That has the stats
Be very surprised, as no sun or wind for over a week. Do they include rubbish burnt in that figures?
No, it's made up of wind, solar and hydroelectric.
Considering the weather, ain't you a bit suspicious about the figures?"No, why would I be. It's much lower than normal, and the breakdown of the 13.5% for that last week is nearly all wind. | |||
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"Renewables provide less than 10% of the energy the UK uses. Wind and solar are obviously unreliable and they are weather dependent and there is no way to store most of this energy during excess production. India and China understand this so will not ruin their economies by abandoning fossil fuels until they know for sure they can be properly replaced. India's net zero target is 2070 ! If you don't think that's comical I don't know what to tell you
This is incorrect.
Renewables generated 38.1% of the electricity in the national grid over the last year.
What about for the last ten days?
There are figures for the last day, or the last week. I don't have the last ten days available.
Last week will do
13.5%
Look for a site called "National Grid Live". That has the stats
Be very surprised, as no sun or wind for over a week. Do they include rubbish burnt in that figures?
No, it's made up of wind, solar and hydroelectric.
Considering the weather, ain't you a bit suspicious about the figures?
No, why would I be. It's much lower than normal, and the breakdown of the 13.5% for that last week is nearly all wind. "Wind? where? No where has had any | |||
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"Renewables provide less than 10% of the energy the UK uses. Wind and solar are obviously unreliable and they are weather dependent and there is no way to store most of this energy during excess production. India and China understand this so will not ruin their economies by abandoning fossil fuels until they know for sure they can be properly replaced. India's net zero target is 2070 ! If you don't think that's comical I don't know what to tell you
This is incorrect.
Renewables generated 38.1% of the electricity in the national grid over the last year.
What about for the last ten days?
There are figures for the last day, or the last week. I don't have the last ten days available.
Last week will do
13.5%
Look for a site called "National Grid Live". That has the stats
Be very surprised, as no sun or wind for over a week. Do they include rubbish burnt in that figures?
No, it's made up of wind, solar and hydroelectric.
Considering the weather, ain't you a bit suspicious about the figures?
No, why would I be. It's much lower than normal, and the breakdown of the 13.5% for that last week is nearly all wind.
Wind? where? No where has had any "A large portion is generated offshore. And there has been wind. | |||
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"According to Drax we imported at our highest level of electricity this year which was 20% so Leoblooms was correct in his point. There are a lot of renewable projects being developed which are intended to reduce our import reliance . Thank you and apologies for my intemperate reply before!
I am very much not resistant to renewables but I think it is economic suicide to be too dependent on them until we can be sure they will fulfil the majority of our energy use.
As well as fossil fuels of course we should also be investing heavily in nuclear power which is by far the most reliable carbon free energy source."All good and this is just fun so that’s how I see it. I do agree we should have both in parallel but moving away from oil and natural gas is going to give us energy independence eventually, This will remove us from the vagaries of opec and the Rotterdam spot traders. I know of some fantastic new technologies which will create a lot of bio fuels very cheaply so we are very close to really ramping this up. I also agree that Nuclear has a very important role to play. I also hope this is led by the likes of Rolls Royce as we need the knowledge to be British based and not rely of France for builds and supply of Nuclear so much. | |||
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"Renewables provide less than 10% of the energy the UK uses. Wind and solar are obviously unreliable and they are weather dependent and there is no way to store most of this energy during excess production. India and China understand this so will not ruin their economies by abandoning fossil fuels until they know for sure they can be properly replaced. India's net zero target is 2070 ! If you don't think that's comical I don't know what to tell you
This is incorrect.
Renewables generated 38.1% of the electricity in the national grid over the last year.
What about for the last ten days?
There are figures for the last day, or the last week. I don't have the last ten days available.
Last week will do
13.5%
Look for a site called "National Grid Live". That has the stats
Be very surprised, as no sun or wind for over a week. Do they include rubbish burnt in that figures?
No, it's made up of wind, solar and hydroelectric.
Considering the weather, ain't you a bit suspicious about the figures?"You’re missing biomass and bio gas. Just saying 😊 I personally don’t agree with biomass at drax being included ( I will when carbon capture is 100%) but a lot of biogas is developing rapidly in this country. | |||
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"Sounds very sensible. I’m sure the UK/EU can look forward to enjoying America’s success from afar while we freeze in the cold and dark and await the early morning two hour walk to the mouldy office (assuming anyone has still got a job). Maybe they will send us some food parcels. Are you struggling for money? Well I have a lot less than I did two months ago thanks to the decline in the UK stock market caused by Labour policies. Who knows who will have a job six months from now? Businesses will be looking to make savings. Really? Have you considered a second job? I see. So is this Labours official policy? If people are made worse off by Labour policies they should go and get a second job? I am not the PM, or a labour MP, just a suggestion, or maybe cancel Netflix? You might have a better paid job in IT, you just don’t know it
I can’t afford things like Netflix.
Another champagne socialist!
Sorry to hear that, how about moving to US, get yourself on trump gravy train
I am actually thinking about leaving, for the first time in my life.
Sad but probably inevitable.
How do you feel about Miliband? Is he going to save the planet or is he just a sad loser who’s got nothing to do with his life?"...you're leaving...?...safe journey. | |||
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"For many across the world, Trump's victory has stoked uncertainty over the future of global climate action. Trump has long deemed climate change a “hoax”, railing against Biden’s climate policies and dismissing threats like rising sea levels. During his last term, he attempted to roll back around 100 environmental bills. Promises have been made this time around to row back spending on green energy, exit vital international climate agreements and bring about a new wave of drilling for oil and gas which he has called “liquid gold”. Having worked on oil rigs for 30 years and owning a large number of Oil Corporation shares as well as a healthy Pension, this is Excellent News for myself aswell as excellent news for work colleagues and World Oil & Gas companies. Obviously the UK will lose out as Starmer has put a stop on new North Sea Exploration but great news on a whole. How do You feel about this fantastic news." indifferent .... i'm making fuck tons of cash installing renewables at an industrial and domestic level .... even the blokes i know working offshore are jealous | |||
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"AI is going to improve exponentially over the next 18 months, by 2026, it will be developing viable solutions to row back climate change, which will take 20 years to take effect. TRUMP might support Oil and Gas/Exxon mobile, climate change creators, but someone still needs to pay for the fall out of all the natural disasters, storms etc. I guess the compensation for that comes from the global re-insurance industry and not the USA Tax payer. Trump is scum. In fairness, Trump has said he doesn't understand climate change and that he things science isn't real. Maybe that's better than those who know the damage they are doing, and simply don't give a fuck.did he actually say science isn’t real or climate science? He did. I paraphrased because when trump talks it's long and rambling and difficult to follow. yes he does I believe that part but I think it’s more yr opinion rather than a fact iv never heard of him saying science isn’t real He definitely has. Many times. In relation to climate science. He's a well known climate science denier. If you don't understand what science is, and you legislate based on bollocks you saw on sayYouTube, that is denying science. saying you don’t trust the science about climate isn’t the same as him saying he doesn’t believe in science lol" I am glad there are those that do not paraphrase to make someone look bad. Glad that we are also able to have a broad perspective to realize that the tree hugger groups dont do anything about big gains in climate change such as controlling, china, india, and other big polluters. No consideration for climate change from cloud seeding, or all the massive forest fires that are being set by lberals in the western states that affect weather patterns to push the climate change agenda. 2,636,366 acres last year. https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/access/monitoring/monthly-report/fire/202313 Media indoctrination seems well seated in some on here with their statistics on the supposed damage of cow farts and growing food. Guess they want all of us to eat synthetic foods that are ceated with chemicals that are known to be dangerous to our health. | |||
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"The uk is one of least contributors to global warming , but we are one of the most taxed with regards to green policies , All this while Germany India china Pakistan just to mentions few , are turning back to fossil fuels , " A huge reason we contribute least to "global warming" and China contributes more of because we hardly manufacture anything any more, China makes all of our consumerist sh!t for us so also makes our contribution to the pollution. | |||
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"The uk is one of least contributors to global warming , but we are one of the most taxed with regards to green policies , All this while Germany India china Pakistan just to mentions few , are turning back to fossil fuels , A huge reason we contribute least to "global warming" and China contributes more of because we hardly manufacture anything any more, China makes all of our consumerist sh!t for us so also makes our contribution to the pollution. " Which sums up exactly what I've been saying for years. We've not cleaned up our act at all. Just swept it under the carpet. The carpet is called China. As long as we keep importing Chinese goods, that pollution is still ours. No matter what the net zero statistics say. | |||
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"The uk is one of least contributors to global warming , but we are one of the most taxed with regards to green policies , All this while Germany India china Pakistan just to mentions few , are turning back to fossil fuels , A huge reason we contribute least to "global warming" and China contributes more of because we hardly manufacture anything any more, China makes all of our consumerist sh!t for us so also makes our contribution to the pollution. Which sums up exactly what I've been saying for years. We've not cleaned up our act at all. Just swept it under the carpet. The carpet is called China. As long as we keep importing Chinese goods, that pollution is still ours. No matter what the net zero statistics say." You mean all those champagne socialists who under off wish or temu? | |||
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"The uk is one of least contributors to global warming , but we are one of the most taxed with regards to green policies , All this while Germany India china Pakistan just to mentions few , are turning back to fossil fuels , A huge reason we contribute least to "global warming" and China contributes more of because we hardly manufacture anything any more, China makes all of our consumerist sh!t for us so also makes our contribution to the pollution. " Labour Kills the goose that laid the golden eggs. Another huge Oil Corporation gets ready to walk away from the North Sea. Chevron, ExxonMobil, Marathon and ConnocoPhilips have already Sold all North Sea assets and walked away. https://www.agcc.co.uk/news-article/apache-blames-windfall-tax-as-it-announces-plans-to-exit-north-sea | |||
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"The uk is one of least contributors to global warming , but we are one of the most taxed with regards to green policies , All this while Germany India china Pakistan just to mentions few , are turning back to fossil fuels , A huge reason we contribute least to "global warming" and China contributes more of because we hardly manufacture anything any more, China makes all of our consumerist sh!t for us so also makes our contribution to the pollution. Labour Kills the goose that laid the golden eggs. Another huge Oil Corporation gets ready to walk away from the North Sea. Chevron, ExxonMobil, Marathon and ConnocoPhilips have already Sold all North Sea assets and walked away. https://www.agcc.co.uk/news-article/apache-blames-windfall-tax-as-it-announces-plans-to-exit-north-sea " Watch the lights go out thanks to labour idiocy. The poor,elderly and sick will suffer the most because of their determination to demonize hydrocarbons. Utter boffins. I read Trump is going to walk away from the Paris agreement. Brilliant. He will save America and Britain will wilt. | |||
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"The uk is one of least contributors to global warming , but we are one of the most taxed with regards to green policies , All this while Germany India china Pakistan just to mentions few , are turning back to fossil fuels , A huge reason we contribute least to "global warming" and China contributes more of because we hardly manufacture anything any more, China makes all of our consumerist sh!t for us so also makes our contribution to the pollution. Labour Kills the goose that laid the golden eggs. Another huge Oil Corporation gets ready to walk away from the North Sea. Chevron, ExxonMobil, Marathon and ConnocoPhilips have already Sold all North Sea assets and walked away. https://www.agcc.co.uk/news-article/apache-blames-windfall-tax-as-it-announces-plans-to-exit-north-sea Watch the lights go out thanks to labour idiocy. The poor,elderly and sick will suffer the most because of their determination to demonize hydrocarbons. Utter boffins. I read Trump is going to walk away from the Paris agreement. Brilliant. He will save America and Britain will wilt. " Or! And hear me out Buck. Or you could spend some time reading up about clime change. It'll save so much confusion. | |||
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"AI is going to improve exponentially over the next 18 months, by 2026, it will be developing viable solutions to row back climate change, which will take 20 years to take effect. TRUMP might support Oil and Gas/Exxon mobile, climate change creators, but someone still needs to pay for the fall out of all the natural disasters, storms etc. I guess the compensation for that comes from the global re-insurance industry and not the USA Tax payer. Trump is scum. In fairness, Trump has said he doesn't understand climate change and that he things science isn't real. Maybe that's better than those who know the damage they are doing, and simply don't give a fuck.did he actually say science isn’t real or climate science? He did. I paraphrased because when trump talks it's long and rambling and difficult to follow. yes he does I believe that part but I think it’s more yr opinion rather than a fact iv never heard of him saying science isn’t real He definitely has. Many times. In relation to climate science. He's a well known climate science denier. If you don't understand what science is, and you legislate based on bollocks you saw on sayYouTube, that is denying science. saying you don’t trust the science about climate isn’t the same as him saying he doesn’t believe in science lol I am glad there are those that do not paraphrase to make someone look bad. Glad that we are also able to have a broad perspective to realize that the tree hugger groups dont do anything about big gains in climate change such as controlling, china, india, and other big polluters. No consideration for climate change from cloud seeding, or all the massive forest fires that are being set by lberals in the western states that affect weather patterns to push the climate change agenda. 2,636,366 acres last year. https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/access/monitoring/monthly-report/fire/202313 Media indoctrination seems well seated in some on here with their statistics on the supposed damage of cow farts and growing food. Guess they want all of us to eat synthetic foods that are ceated with chemicals that are known to be dangerous to our health. " Utterly bonkers! | |||
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"Watch the lights go out thanks to labour idiocy. The poor,elderly and sick will suffer the most because of their determination to demonize hydrocarbons. Utter boffins. I read Trump is going to walk away from the Paris agreement. Brilliant. He will save America and Britain will wilt." "Or! And hear me out Buck. Or you could spend some time reading up about clime change. It'll save so much confusion." I don't see any confusion in that post. His logic remains consistent and he seems to know what he thinks is best for this country. It clearly doesn't match what you think is best, but he's definitely not confused about what he wants. | |||
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"The uk is one of least contributors to global warming , but we are one of the most taxed with regards to green policies , All this while Germany India china Pakistan just to mentions few , are turning back to fossil fuels , A huge reason we contribute least to "global warming" and China contributes more of because we hardly manufacture anything any more, China makes all of our consumerist sh!t for us so also makes our contribution to the pollution. Which sums up exactly what I've been saying for years. We've not cleaned up our act at all. Just swept it under the carpet. The carpet is called China. As long as we keep importing Chinese goods, that pollution is still ours. No matter what the net zero statistics say. You mean all those champagne socialists who under off wish or temu?" Not exclusively but they would have a sizeable showing. What I didn't mention was the cost of the brush (so to speak) to sweep our pollution under China's carpet. The cost of this deranged rush to so called "net zero" will run into hundreds of billions (if not trillions) and for what? So that a small, already skint, lump of rock in the north Atlantic can boast that it saved (or transferred) planet Earth 1% on it's carbon emissions. They can blather on about "the science" as much as they like and nitpick about this fact or that statistic. But the truth is that the cost will be horrendous and on a worldwide scale will make little or no difference. I accept "the science" although I think it sometimes gets a bit padded out and I do think we have to clean up our act. But this "I want it all I want it now" zealotry will be disastrous. Oh! And before anyone comes up with the "we have to set an example and lead the way" bullshit. The only example we will set is how to bankrupt a country. What's that noise? Oh! It's China laughing all the way to the bank. | |||
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"Watch the lights go out thanks to labour idiocy. The poor,elderly and sick will suffer the most because of their determination to demonize hydrocarbons. Utter boffins. I read Trump is going to walk away from the Paris agreement. Brilliant. He will save America and Britain will wilt. Or! And hear me out Buck. Or you could spend some time reading up about clime change. It'll save so much confusion. I don't see any confusion in that post. His logic remains consistent and he seems to know what he thinks is best for this country. It clearly doesn't match what you think is best, but he's definitely not confused about what he wants." I mean, it bears absolutely no relation to reality. 1. The lights won't go out because of "Labour idiocy". 2. "The poor,elderly and sick will suffer the most because of their determination to demonize hydrocarbons.". Complete nonsense. Transitioning to renewable energy is going painfully slow, and even if it was moving quickly, it would lead to energy independence and long term economic benefits for both the consumer and the country. 3. Trump walking away from the Paris climate accord because he doesn't understand climate science is putting the US right to the back of the queue internationally, will not help the world fight climate change and will keep America stuck on fossil fuels. Hope that helps! | |||
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"Looks like the 80,000 attendees of COP29 are in for another feast of bloated posturing from the UK. No doubt more promises from the pipsqueak Starmer of the UK being a “global leader” in the fight against climate change. Meanwhile Biden, Xi, Modi, Macron, and Scholz aren’t bothering to attend. They’ve no doubt worked out that turning up to COP conferences just ends up in them having to borrow even more money to lavish on the climate change grift. At least attendees can rely on Starmer and Miliband to get the UK chequebook out. " Looking forward to getting another recycling bin to offset that new coal power station in China | |||
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"Looks like the 80,000 attendees of COP29 are in for another feast of bloated posturing from the UK. No doubt more promises from the pipsqueak Starmer of the UK being a “global leader” in the fight against climate change. Meanwhile Biden, Xi, Modi, Macron, and Scholz aren’t bothering to attend. They’ve no doubt worked out that turning up to COP conferences just ends up in them having to borrow even more money to lavish on the climate change grift. At least attendees can rely on Starmer and Miliband to get the UK chequebook out. " The British people want greener energy, if you can’t accept that then maybe you should move elsewhere , it is the will of the people | |||
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"Looks like the 80,000 attendees of COP29 are in for another feast of bloated posturing from the UK. No doubt more promises from the pipsqueak Starmer of the UK being a “global leader” in the fight against climate change. Meanwhile Biden, Xi, Modi, Macron, and Scholz aren’t bothering to attend. They’ve no doubt worked out that turning up to COP conferences just ends up in them having to borrow even more money to lavish on the climate change grift. At least attendees can rely on Starmer and Miliband to get the UK chequebook out. The British people want greener energy, if you can’t accept that then maybe you should move elsewhere , it is the will of the people " Miliband is providing the British people with greener energy. I would suggest buying some candles. | |||
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"Looks like the 80,000 attendees of COP29 are in for another feast of bloated posturing from the UK. No doubt more promises from the pipsqueak Starmer of the UK being a “global leader” in the fight against climate change. Meanwhile Biden, Xi, Modi, Macron, and Scholz aren’t bothering to attend. They’ve no doubt worked out that turning up to COP conferences just ends up in them having to borrow even more money to lavish on the climate change grift. At least attendees can rely on Starmer and Miliband to get the UK chequebook out. The British people want greener energy, if you can’t accept that then maybe you should move elsewhere , it is the will of the people Miliband is providing the British people with greener energy. I would suggest buying some candles." Will of the people, it’s what the majority want | |||
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"Looks like the 80,000 attendees of COP29 are in for another feast of bloated posturing from the UK. No doubt more promises from the pipsqueak Starmer of the UK being a “global leader” in the fight against climate change. Meanwhile Biden, Xi, Modi, Macron, and Scholz aren’t bothering to attend. They’ve no doubt worked out that turning up to COP conferences just ends up in them having to borrow even more money to lavish on the climate change grift. At least attendees can rely on Starmer and Miliband to get the UK chequebook out. The British people want greener energy, if you can’t accept that then maybe you should move elsewhere , it is the will of the people Miliband is providing the British people with greener energy. I would suggest buying some candles." I've bought Four Candles | |||
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"Looks like the 80,000 attendees of COP29 are in for another feast of bloated posturing from the UK. No doubt more promises from the pipsqueak Starmer of the UK being a “global leader” in the fight against climate change. Meanwhile Biden, Xi, Modi, Macron, and Scholz aren’t bothering to attend. They’ve no doubt worked out that turning up to COP conferences just ends up in them having to borrow even more money to lavish on the climate change grift. At least attendees can rely on Starmer and Miliband to get the UK chequebook out. The British people want greener energy, if you can’t accept that then maybe you should move elsewhere , it is the will of the people Miliband is providing the British people with greener energy. I would suggest buying some candles. Will of the people, it’s what the majority want " No; the majority of UK are gullible and brainwashed into believing. This is why the UK is on a downhill spiral and people will continue to get further into poverty whilst other countries flourish. | |||
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"Good to see Tesla’s shares going up again, Elon Musk, the worlds richest man making the bulk of his billions from electric vehicles " How do you enjoy driving your all electric car? | |||
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"Looks like the 80,000 attendees of COP29 are in for another feast of bloated posturing from the UK. No doubt more promises from the pipsqueak Starmer of the UK being a “global leader” in the fight against climate change. Meanwhile Biden, Xi, Modi, Macron, and Scholz aren’t bothering to attend. They’ve no doubt worked out that turning up to COP conferences just ends up in them having to borrow even more money to lavish on the climate change grift. At least attendees can rely on Starmer and Miliband to get the UK chequebook out. The British people want greener energy, if you can’t accept that then maybe you should move elsewhere , it is the will of the people Miliband is providing the British people with greener energy. I would suggest buying some candles. Will of the people, it’s what the majority want No; the majority of UK are gullible and brainwashed into believing. This is why the UK is on a downhill spiral and people will continue to get further into poverty whilst other countries flourish." That is only your opinion, the majority disagree | |||
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"Good to see Tesla’s shares going up again, Elon Musk, the worlds richest man making the bulk of his billions from electric vehicles How do you enjoy deriving your all electric car?" It’s good, really enjoy it. What do you think about the richest man in the world making most his money fro electric vehicles? | |||
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"Good to see Tesla’s shares going up again, Elon Musk, the worlds richest man making the bulk of his billions from electric vehicles How do you enjoy deriving your all electric car? It’s good, really enjoy it. What do you think about the richest man in the world making most his money fro electric vehicles? " Yes the stock market has been going for him, nothing more nothing less. I admire his work with space X far more and his membership of Trumps inner circle of right wing leaders. And remember any Telsa owner will never have full control of the car they own as its controls can be overwritten at anytime | |||
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"Good to see Tesla’s shares going up again, Elon Musk, the worlds richest man making the bulk of his billions from electric vehicles How do you enjoy deriving your all electric car? It’s good, really enjoy it. What do you think about the richest man in the world making most his money fro electric vehicles? Yes the stock market has been going for him, nothing more nothing less. I admire his work with space X far more and his membership of Trumps inner circle of right wing leaders. And remember any Telsa owner will never have full control of the car they own as its controls can be overwritten at anytime "Tesla stock has increased 10 fold since 2008, electric cars are making him the richest man in the world, goes against the anti green agenda | |||
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"Good to see Tesla’s shares going up again, Elon Musk, the worlds richest man making the bulk of his billions from electric vehicles How do you enjoy deriving your all electric car? It’s good, really enjoy it. What do you think about the richest man in the world making most his money fro electric vehicles? Yes the stock market has been going for him, nothing more nothing less. I admire his work with space X far more and his membership of Trumps inner circle of right wing leaders. And remember any Telsa owner will never have full control of the car they own as its controls can be overwritten at anytime
Tesla stock has increased 10 fold since 2008, electric cars are making him the richest man in the world, goes against the anti green agenda "Not at all. People should be free to purchase EV’s if they wish. They will suit some lifestyles. They are particularly suitable for wealthy people who can afford to run several different types of vehicle. Just as people should be free to purchase any other kind of vehicle to suit their lives. It’s a shame that the EU and UK are determined to destroy their car manufacturers by imposing fantasy world EV mandates, which will ultimately never happen anyway. | |||
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"Good to see Tesla’s shares going up again, Elon Musk, the worlds richest man making the bulk of his billions from electric vehicles How do you enjoy deriving your all electric car? It’s good, really enjoy it. What do you think about the richest man in the world making most his money fro electric vehicles? Yes the stock market has been going for him, nothing more nothing less. I admire his work with space X far more and his membership of Trumps inner circle of right wing leaders. And remember any Telsa owner will never have full control of the car they own as its controls can be overwritten at anytime
Tesla stock has increased 10 fold since 2008, electric cars are making him the richest man in the world, goes against the anti green agenda
Not at all. People should be free to purchase EV’s if they wish. They will suit some lifestyles. They are particularly suitable for wealthy people who can afford to run several different types of vehicle.
Just as people should be free to purchase any other kind of vehicle to suit their lives.
It’s a shame that the EU and UK are determined to destroy their car manufacturers by imposing fantasy world EV mandates, which will ultimately never happen anyway."That is only your opinion, the majority disagree, It is the will of the people | |||
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"Looks like the 80,000 attendees of COP29 are in for another feast of bloated posturing from the UK. No doubt more promises from the pipsqueak Starmer of the UK being a “global leader” in the fight against climate change. Meanwhile Biden, Xi, Modi, Macron, and Scholz aren’t bothering to attend. They’ve no doubt worked out that turning up to COP conferences just ends up in them having to borrow even more money to lavish on the climate change grift. At least attendees can rely on Starmer and Miliband to get the UK chequebook out. The British people want greener energy, if you can’t accept that then maybe you should move elsewhere , it is the will of the people Miliband is providing the British people with greener energy. I would suggest buying some candles. Will of the people, it’s what the majority want No; the majority of UK are gullible and brainwashed into believing. This is why the UK is on a downhill spiral and people will continue to get further into poverty whilst other countries flourish. That is only your opinion, the majority disagree " Do they? I'd love to know where you get that from. Maybe you did a secret referendum. I would think the "majority" are more concerned about affording their gas and electric bills. I doubt the average grandma, who's now lost her winter fuel allowance, gives a flying fuck about whether her electric is green or pink with yellow spots. | |||
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"China have reported record sales in EVs this year " If you sell none in the first year, one in the second year and two in the third year. Guess what? You've just broken the record. | |||
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"Looks like the 80,000 attendees of COP29 are in for another feast of bloated posturing from the UK. No doubt more promises from the pipsqueak Starmer of the UK being a “global leader” in the fight against climate change. Meanwhile Biden, Xi, Modi, Macron, and Scholz aren’t bothering to attend. They’ve no doubt worked out that turning up to COP conferences just ends up in them having to borrow even more money to lavish on the climate change grift. At least attendees can rely on Starmer and Miliband to get the UK chequebook out. The British people want greener energy, if you can’t accept that then maybe you should move elsewhere , it is the will of the people Miliband is providing the British people with greener energy. I would suggest buying some candles. Will of the people, it’s what the majority want No; the majority of UK are gullible and brainwashed into believing. This is why the UK is on a downhill spiral and people will continue to get further into poverty whilst other countries flourish. That is only your opinion, the majority disagree Do they? I'd love to know where you get that from. Maybe you did a secret referendum. I would think the "majority" are more concerned about affording their gas and electric bills. I doubt the average grandma, who's now lost her winter fuel allowance, gives a flying fuck about whether her electric is green or pink with yellow spots." Hi there, at the last GE there was only 1 political party that had an anti green agenda, they were throughly rejected at the ballot box getting only 5 MPs, the average grandma who has lost her winter fuel allowance isn’t the majorly | |||
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"Looks like the 80,000 attendees of COP29 are in for another feast of bloated posturing from the UK. No doubt more promises from the pipsqueak Starmer of the UK being a “global leader” in the fight against climate change. Meanwhile Biden, Xi, Modi, Macron, and Scholz aren’t bothering to attend. They’ve no doubt worked out that turning up to COP conferences just ends up in them having to borrow even more money to lavish on the climate change grift. At least attendees can rely on Starmer and Miliband to get the UK chequebook out. The British people want greener energy, if you can’t accept that then maybe you should move elsewhere , it is the will of the people Miliband is providing the British people with greener energy. I would suggest buying some candles. Will of the people, it’s what the majority want No; the majority of UK are gullible and brainwashed into believing. This is why the UK is on a downhill spiral and people will continue to get further into poverty whilst other countries flourish. That is only your opinion, the majority disagree Do they? I'd love to know where you get that from. Maybe you did a secret referendum. I would think the "majority" are more concerned about affording their gas and electric bills. I doubt the average grandma, who's now lost her winter fuel allowance, gives a flying fuck about whether her electric is green or pink with yellow spots. Hi there, at the last GE there was only 1 political party that had an anti green agenda, they were throughly rejected at the ballot box getting only 5 MPs, the average grandma who has lost her winter fuel allowance isn’t the majorly " Neither are the 20% of the electorate who voted Labour. | |||
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"Looks like the 80,000 attendees of COP29 are in for another feast of bloated posturing from the UK. No doubt more promises from the pipsqueak Starmer of the UK being a “global leader” in the fight against climate change. Meanwhile Biden, Xi, Modi, Macron, and Scholz aren’t bothering to attend. They’ve no doubt worked out that turning up to COP conferences just ends up in them having to borrow even more money to lavish on the climate change grift. At least attendees can rely on Starmer and Miliband to get the UK chequebook out. The British people want greener energy, if you can’t accept that then maybe you should move elsewhere , it is the will of the people Miliband is providing the British people with greener energy. I would suggest buying some candles. Will of the people, it’s what the majority want No; the majority of UK are gullible and brainwashed into believing. This is why the UK is on a downhill spiral and people will continue to get further into poverty whilst other countries flourish. That is only your opinion, the majority disagree Do they? I'd love to know where you get that from. Maybe you did a secret referendum. I would think the "majority" are more concerned about affording their gas and electric bills. I doubt the average grandma, who's now lost her winter fuel allowance, gives a flying fuck about whether her electric is green or pink with yellow spots. Hi there, at the last GE there was only 1 political party that had an anti green agenda, they were throughly rejected at the ballot box getting only 5 MPs, the average grandma who has lost her winter fuel allowance isn’t the majorly Neither are the 20% of the electorate who voted Labour." Were did you get 20 % from? Btw, We don’t have PR. Anyway , the tories, Lib Dem’s and the greens all had the promotion of green energy in their manifestos, | |||
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