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"Record numbers of young people voting for Trump, and for right wing parties in Europe. Big corporations dropping their DEI programmes. The Cass Review in the UK, even Wes Streeting speaking out. Is it over for wokeism? It's beginning to feel like something that millennials embraced but the next generation will soon abandon." Wokism never existed, it was something the right wing made up to explain things they don’t like or don’t understand | |||
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"Some millenials have embraced DEI quotas. According to my kids, Gen Z appear to be rejecting those. Although we're not allowed to use first hand knowledge from only 2 people so fuck knows. " Imagine thinking ‘wokism’ really existed  | |||
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"Record numbers of young people voting for Trump, and for right wing parties in Europe. Big corporations dropping their DEI programmes. The Cass Review in the UK, even Wes Streeting speaking out. Is it over for wokeism? It's beginning to feel like something that millennials embraced but the next generation will soon abandon. Wokism never existed, it was something the right wing made up to explain things they don’t like or don’t understand " Wokeism most definitely exists on dictionary .com | |||
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"Record numbers of young people voting for Trump, and for right wing parties in Europe. Big corporations dropping their DEI programmes. The Cass Review in the UK, even Wes Streeting speaking out. Is it over for wokeism? It's beginning to feel like something that millennials embraced but the next generation will soon abandon. Wokism never existed, it was something the right wing made up to explain things they don’t like or don’t understand Wokeism most definitely exists on dictionary .com" And? So do a lot of slang words, | |||
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"Record numbers of young people voting for Trump, and for right wing parties in Europe. Big corporations dropping their DEI programmes. The Cass Review in the UK, even Wes Streeting speaking out. Is it over for wokeism? It's beginning to feel like something that millennials embraced but the next generation will soon abandon." yes looks like it was just a silly fad and on its way out now reality prevails | |||
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"Record numbers of young people voting for Trump, and for right wing parties in Europe. Big corporations dropping their DEI programmes. The Cass Review in the UK, even Wes Streeting speaking out. Is it over for wokeism? It's beginning to feel like something that millennials embraced but the next generation will soon abandon.yes looks like it was just a silly fad and on its way out now reality prevails " Being aware of social injustice, especially racism isn't a fad. There will always be those who stand up to racism and bigotry. | |||
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"Record numbers of young people voting for Trump, and for right wing parties in Europe. Big corporations dropping their DEI programmes. The Cass Review in the UK, even Wes Streeting speaking out. Is it over for wokeism? It's beginning to feel like something that millennials embraced but the next generation will soon abandon.yes looks like it was just a silly fad and on its way out now reality prevails " True, but it never really existed, | |||
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"Some millenials have embraced DEI quotas. According to my kids, Gen Z appear to be rejecting those. Although we're not allowed to use first hand knowledge from only 2 people so fuck knows. " My son's 19 now, definitely see a shift in attitudes. | |||
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"Record numbers of young people voting for Trump, and for right wing parties in Europe. Big corporations dropping their DEI programmes. The Cass Review in the UK, even Wes Streeting speaking out. Is it over for wokeism? It's beginning to feel like something that millennials embraced but the next generation will soon abandon.yes looks like it was just a silly fad and on its way out now reality prevails Being aware of social injustice, especially racism isn't a fad. There will always be those who stand up to racism and bigotry. " You have to bare in mind that most people don’t think that is woke, they don’t even know what it is, they are confused and use it for things they don’t understand | |||
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"Some millenials have embraced DEI quotas. According to my kids, Gen Z appear to be rejecting those. Although we're not allowed to use first hand knowledge from only 2 people so fuck knows. My son's 19 now, definitely see a shift in attitudes." Same here, 2 daughters. 19 & 15. | |||
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"Record numbers of young people voting for Trump, and for right wing parties in Europe. Big corporations dropping their DEI programmes. The Cass Review in the UK, even Wes Streeting speaking out. Is it over for wokeism? It's beginning to feel like something that millennials embraced but the next generation will soon abandon. Wokism never existed, it was something the right wing made up to explain things they don’t like or don’t understand Wokeism most definitely exists on dictionary .com And? So do a lot of slang words, " So it exists then. Give yourself a rest mate. | |||
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"I predict a thread full of posts arguing about what 'woke' means, and whether anyone that disagrees on a definition is racist or not." Woke means different things to differing people, it’s a meaningless phrase, that will be soon be forgotten | |||
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"I predict a thread full of posts arguing about what 'woke' means, and whether anyone that disagrees on a definition is racist or not." Nailed it. | |||
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"I predict a thread full of posts arguing about what 'woke' means, and whether anyone that disagrees on a definition is racist or not." 100% There's the dictionary definition. Then there's 1,765,766 separate personal definitions that each one of those 1,765,766 people will argue is the real definition, and then use it to attack anyone who isn't panicking about every minority group they can think of. | |||
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"Record numbers of young people voting for Trump, and for right wing parties in Europe. Big corporations dropping their DEI programmes. The Cass Review in the UK, even Wes Streeting speaking out. Is it over for wokeism? It's beginning to feel like something that millennials embraced but the next generation will soon abandon. Wokism never existed, it was something the right wing made up to explain things they don’t like or don’t understand Wokeism most definitely exists on dictionary .com And? So do a lot of slang words, So it exists then. Give yourself a rest mate. " Yes, slang words exist | |||
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"I predict a thread full of posts arguing about what 'woke' means, and whether anyone that disagrees on a definition is racist or not." haha spot on it’s never long before racist joins a thread | |||
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"Record numbers of young people voting for Trump, and for right wing parties in Europe. Big corporations dropping their DEI programmes. The Cass Review in the UK, even Wes Streeting speaking out. Is it over for wokeism? It's beginning to feel like something that millennials embraced but the next generation will soon abandon. Wokism never existed, it was something the right wing made up to explain things they don’t like or don’t understand Wokeism most definitely exists on dictionary .com And? So do a lot of slang words, So it exists then. Give yourself a rest mate. Yes, slang words exist " And linguists believe that slang is a valid part of language. Anyway, it would be easier and take up less posts if you stopped this nonsense only to later agree  | |||
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"I predict a thread full of posts arguing about what 'woke' means, and whether anyone that disagrees on a definition is racist or not.haha spot on it’s never long before racist joins a thread " Racist joins a thread | |||
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"Record numbers of young people voting for Trump, and for right wing parties in Europe. Big corporations dropping their DEI programmes. The Cass Review in the UK, even Wes Streeting speaking out. Is it over for wokeism? It's beginning to feel like something that millennials embraced but the next generation will soon abandon. Wokism never existed, it was something the right wing made up to explain things they don’t like or don’t understand Wokeism most definitely exists on dictionary .com And? So do a lot of slang words, So it exists then. Give yourself a rest mate. Yes, slang words exist And linguists believe that slang is a valid part of language. Anyway, it would be easier and take up less posts if you stopped this nonsense only to later agree "It’s a slang word that will soon be forgotten, stop getting your knickers in a twist over a silly little word | |||
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"I predict a thread full of posts arguing about what 'woke' means, and whether anyone that disagrees on a definition is racist or not.haha spot on it’s never long before racist joins a thread " Very woke of you. Good work. | |||
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"Record numbers of young people voting for Trump, and for right wing parties in Europe. Big corporations dropping their DEI programmes. The Cass Review in the UK, even Wes Streeting speaking out. Is it over for wokeism? It's beginning to feel like something that millennials embraced but the next generation will soon abandon. Wokism never existed, it was something the right wing made up to explain things they don’t like or don’t understand Wokeism most definitely exists on dictionary .com And? So do a lot of slang words, So it exists then. Give yourself a rest mate. Yes, slang words exist And linguists believe that slang is a valid part of language. Anyway, it would be easier and take up less posts if you stopped this nonsense only to later agree
It’s a slang word that will soon be forgotten, stop getting your knickers in a twist over a silly little word "I thought you were in favour of listening to experts? Only when it suits your own view? | |||
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"Record numbers of young people voting for Trump, and for right wing parties in Europe. Big corporations dropping their DEI programmes. The Cass Review in the UK, even Wes Streeting speaking out. Is it over for wokeism? It's beginning to feel like something that millennials embraced but the next generation will soon abandon. Wokism never existed, it was something the right wing made up to explain things they don’t like or don’t understand Wokeism most definitely exists on dictionary .com And? So do a lot of slang words, So it exists then. Give yourself a rest mate. Yes, slang words exist And linguists believe that slang is a valid part of language. Anyway, it would be easier and take up less posts if you stopped this nonsense only to later agree
It’s a slang word that will soon be forgotten, stop getting your knickers in a twist over a silly little word
I thought you were in favour of listening to experts?
Only when it suits your own view?"You’re over reacting over a silly little word , slang doesn’t last long, you will be loosing your shit over the word Hangry next | |||
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"Record numbers of young people voting for Trump, and for right wing parties in Europe. Big corporations dropping their DEI programmes. The Cass Review in the UK, even Wes Streeting speaking out. Is it over for wokeism? It's beginning to feel like something that millennials embraced but the next generation will soon abandon. Wokism never existed, it was something the right wing made up to explain things they don’t like or don’t understand Wokeism most definitely exists on dictionary .com And? So do a lot of slang words, So it exists then. Give yourself a rest mate. Yes, slang words exist And linguists believe that slang is a valid part of language. Anyway, it would be easier and take up less posts if you stopped this nonsense only to later agree
It’s a slang word that will soon be forgotten, stop getting your knickers in a twist over a silly little word
I thought you were in favour of listening to experts?
Only when it suits your own view?
You’re over reacting over a silly little word , slang doesn’t last long, you will be loosing your shit over the word Hangry next "I'm not 'losing my shit'. Why do you keep saying 'slang'? It's weird. | |||
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"I actually think woke or wokeism can be easily defined. It is a movement led mostly by left wing activists and organisation that promotes their definition of social, sexual and racial anti discrimination. It would include: critical race theory, DEI programmes, gender self ID, the aim of economic equity rather than equality or meritocracy, intersectional theory, etc. " This is a new one. Haven't seen this before. Fair play to you. What makes you pick this over say the multitude of other personal definitions people on here have used. And what makes you pick this over say the dictionary? | |||
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"Record numbers of young people voting for Trump, and for right wing parties in Europe. Big corporations dropping their DEI programmes. The Cass Review in the UK, even Wes Streeting speaking out. Is it over for wokeism? It's beginning to feel like something that millennials embraced but the next generation will soon abandon. Wokism never existed, it was something the right wing made up to explain things they don’t like or don’t understand Wokeism most definitely exists on dictionary .com And? So do a lot of slang words, So it exists then. Give yourself a rest mate. Yes, slang words exist And linguists believe that slang is a valid part of language. Anyway, it would be easier and take up less posts if you stopped this nonsense only to later agree
It’s a slang word that will soon be forgotten, stop getting your knickers in a twist over a silly little word
I thought you were in favour of listening to experts?
Only when it suits your own view?
You’re over reacting over a silly little word , slang doesn’t last long, you will be loosing your shit over the word Hangry next
I'm not 'losing my shit'.
Why do you keep saying 'slang'? It's weird. "Is the Hangry era over yet ? | |||
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"I actually think woke or wokeism can be easily defined. It is a movement led mostly by left wing activists and organisation that promotes their definition of social, sexual and racial anti discrimination. It would include: critical race theory, DEI programmes, gender self ID, the aim of economic equity rather than equality or meritocracy, intersectional theory, etc. This is a new one. Haven't seen this before. Fair play to you. What makes you pick this over say the multitude of other personal definitions people on here have used. And what makes you pick this over say the dictionary? " As I started the thread I feel its reasonable to provide my own definition to help the debate. Woke is clearly a contested term with both positive and negative definitions. | |||
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"It will be Repackaged like it always has " This, woke is just a term used by the confused to insult people or things they don’t like or mainly don’t understand | |||
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"I'm also not debating it's merits or otherwise, but whether the influence of these ideas has peaked, or will continue to grow. "I think they will just trundle along. Everything is on a pendulum Can stay one side indefinitely much like politics ultimately Like anything moderation is the ideal rather than extremism of either side | |||
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"It will be Repackaged like it always has This, woke is just a term used by the confused to insult people or things they don’t like or mainly don’t understand " I think that would be a minority view among people who debate these issues with any degree of seriousness. | |||
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"I'm also not debating it's merits or otherwise, but whether the influence of these ideas has peaked, or will continue to grow.
I think they will just trundle along. Everything is on a pendulum Can stay one side indefinitely much like politics ultimately
Like anything moderation is the ideal rather than extremism of either side " | |||
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"I find it fascinating how corporate woke policies and advertising have influenced the world to such an extent, how those policies have helped drive divisions and how the younger generations are now less likely to be influenced by woke corporate advertising. As per the title of the thread, I was reading how the younger generations such as Gen Z are becoming more likely to see woke agendas as subversive and not at all inclusive. This rejection of woke in its modern day form, would not surprise me, the younger generations have always had a critical eye on what has gone before, and pushing for change going forward. " Very interesting and I agree. Definitely see a shift in younger generations. | |||
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"It will be Repackaged like it always has This, woke is just a term used by the confused to insult people or things they don’t like or mainly don’t understand I think that would be a minority view among people who debate these issues with any degree of seriousness." I disagree, ask any 10 people what woke means to them and you will probably get 10 different answers , positive and negative . It’s impossible to discuss what it means or if it’s over if it has no real definitive meaning, | |||
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"I find it fascinating how corporate woke policies and advertising have influenced the world to such an extent, how those policies have helped drive divisions and how the younger generations are now less likely to be influenced by woke corporate advertising. As per the title of the thread, I was reading how the younger generations such as Gen Z are becoming more likely to see woke agendas as subversive and not at all inclusive. This rejection of woke in its modern day form, would not surprise me, the younger generations have always had a critical eye on what has gone before, and pushing for change going forward. Very interesting and I agree. Definitely see a shift in younger generations. " I think the teenagers will see that the hard extreme Activision pushing / the token gesture from companies is faux and folly in long run with bringing forth change. Take Hollywood as example I am a trans women of 15+ years didn’t ask for people like me to be shoe horned into retcons why ultimately piss on the OG work of others. What I hoped for was the creation of new characters / stories that could introduce non trans persons into a more easier understanding of where we are at as a minority and gain positive visibility based on merit of acting / story etc If you follow me on this
Companies just are grating with the fake allying to gain more money ultimately.
Meaningful takes time and is slow and steady coming from understanding and debate , not screaming into the void from either side
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"I find it fascinating how corporate woke policies and advertising have influenced the world to such an extent, how those policies have helped drive divisions and how the younger generations are now less likely to be influenced by woke corporate advertising. As per the title of the thread, I was reading how the younger generations such as Gen Z are becoming more likely to see woke agendas as subversive and not at all inclusive. This rejection of woke in its modern day form, would not surprise me, the younger generations have always had a critical eye on what has gone before, and pushing for change going forward. Very interesting and I agree. Definitely see a shift in younger generations. " Which unfortunately includes young lads following the likes of the Tate brothers and all the issues that presents. | |||
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"I find it fascinating how corporate woke policies and advertising have influenced the world to such an extent, how those policies have helped drive divisions and how the younger generations are now less likely to be influenced by woke corporate advertising. As per the title of the thread, I was reading how the younger generations such as Gen Z are becoming more likely to see woke agendas as subversive and not at all inclusive. This rejection of woke in its modern day form, would not surprise me, the younger generations have always had a critical eye on what has gone before, and pushing for change going forward. Very interesting and I agree. Definitely see a shift in younger generations. Which unfortunately includes young lads following the likes of the Tate brothers and all the issues that presents." I think you're right Gemma, which is the concerning part of any anti-woke trend. | |||
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"I find it fascinating how corporate woke policies and advertising have influenced the world to such an extent, how those policies have helped drive divisions and how the younger generations are now less likely to be influenced by woke corporate advertising. As per the title of the thread, I was reading how the younger generations such as Gen Z are becoming more likely to see woke agendas as subversive and not at all inclusive. This rejection of woke in its modern day form, would not surprise me, the younger generations have always had a critical eye on what has gone before, and pushing for change going forward. Very interesting and I agree. Definitely see a shift in younger generations. I think the teenagers will see that the hard extreme Activision pushing / the token gesture from companies is faux and folly in long run with bringing forth change. Take Hollywood as example I am a trans women of 15+ years didn’t ask for people like me to be shoe horned into retcons why ultimately piss on the OG work of others. What I hoped for was the creation of new characters / stories that could introduce non trans persons into a more easier understanding of where we are at as a minority and gain positive visibility based on merit of acting / story etc If you follow me on this
Companies just are grating with the fake allying to gain more money ultimately.
Meaningful takes time and is slow and steady coming from understanding and debate , not screaming into the void from either side
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"It will be Repackaged like it always has This, woke is just a term used by the confused to insult people or things they don’t like or mainly don’t understand I think that would be a minority view among people who debate these issues with any degree of seriousness. I disagree, ask any 10 people what woke means to them and you will probably get 10 different answers , positive and negative . It’s impossible to discuss what it means or if it’s over if it has no real definitive meaning, " You're probably right about 10 random people but I specifically referred to those who debate this issue seriously, on both side of the argument. Their definitions do not vary much and are freely available. | |||
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"I find it fascinating how corporate woke policies and advertising have influenced the world to such an extent, how those policies have helped drive divisions and how the younger generations are now less likely to be influenced by woke corporate advertising. As per the title of the thread, I was reading how the younger generations such as Gen Z are becoming more likely to see woke agendas as subversive and not at all inclusive. This rejection of woke in its modern day form, would not surprise me, the younger generations have always had a critical eye on what has gone before, and pushing for change going forward. Very interesting and I agree. Definitely see a shift in younger generations. Which unfortunately includes young lads following the likes of the Tate brothers and all the issues that presents." Young men seeking male role models is not new, but what is different today is how figures like the Tate brothers have capitalised on feelings of disenfranchisement. They’ve seen the backlash against modern woke, which some young men feel has excluded them due to their masculinity. Many will argue that Tate is a problem role model and rightly so, however it is important to understand the role he is profiting from exists. If we want to be an inclusive society, we can’t cherry pick who deserves to feel understood and represented, and in my opinion this feeds into why Gen Z are starting to say that today’s woke culture has become subversive rather than inclusive. | |||
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"I find it fascinating how corporate woke policies and advertising have influenced the world to such an extent, how those policies have helped drive divisions and how the younger generations are now less likely to be influenced by woke corporate advertising. As per the title of the thread, I was reading how the younger generations such as Gen Z are becoming more likely to see woke agendas as subversive and not at all inclusive. This rejection of woke in its modern day form, would not surprise me, the younger generations have always had a critical eye on what has gone before, and pushing for change going forward. Very interesting and I agree. Definitely see a shift in younger generations. Which unfortunately includes young lads following the likes of the Tate brothers and all the issues that presents. Young men seeking male role models is not new, but what is different today is how figures like the Tate brothers have capitalised on feelings of disenfranchisement. They’ve seen the backlash against modern woke, which some young men feel has excluded them due to their masculinity. Many will argue that Tate is a problem role model and rightly so, however it is important to understand the role he is profiting from exists. If we want to be an inclusive society, we can’t cherry pick who deserves to feel understood and represented, and in my opinion this feeds into why Gen Z are starting to say that today’s woke culture has become subversive rather than inclusive." | |||
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"It will be Repackaged like it always has This, woke is just a term used by the confused to insult people or things they don’t like or mainly don’t understand I think that would be a minority view among people who debate these issues with any degree of seriousness. I disagree, ask any 10 people what woke means to them and you will probably get 10 different answers , positive and negative . It’s impossible to discuss what it means or if it’s over if it has no real definitive meaning, You're probably right about 10 random people but I specifically referred to those who debate this issue seriously, on both side of the argument. Their definitions do not vary much and are freely available." I agree, and my point that it is only a term used to insult people is my personal opinion, others will have a different opinion , which proves my point. As someone else has mentioned, woke is nothing new, it’s just the latest term , its meaningless because nobody can agree on what it means | |||
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"I find it fascinating how corporate woke policies and advertising have influenced the world to such an extent, how those policies have helped drive divisions and how the younger generations are now less likely to be influenced by woke corporate advertising. As per the title of the thread, I was reading how the younger generations such as Gen Z are becoming more likely to see woke agendas as subversive and not at all inclusive. This rejection of woke in its modern day form, would not surprise me, the younger generations have always had a critical eye on what has gone before, and pushing for change going forward. Very interesting and I agree. Definitely see a shift in younger generations. Which unfortunately includes young lads following the likes of the Tate brothers and all the issues that presents. Young men seeking male role models is not new, but what is different today is how figures like the Tate brothers have capitalised on feelings of disenfranchisement. They’ve seen the backlash against modern woke, which some young men feel has excluded them due to their masculinity. Many will argue that Tate is a problem role model and rightly so, however it is important to understand the role he is profiting from exists. If we want to be an inclusive society, we can’t cherry pick who deserves to feel understood and represented, and in my opinion this feeds into why Gen Z are starting to say that today’s woke culture has become subversive rather than inclusive." How can you use the term ‘woke’ when it means a 100 different things to a 100 different people? Tate definition of woke will be different to mine, yours and many others. Criticising or celebrating something that can’t be explained is pointless | |||
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"I find it fascinating how corporate woke policies and advertising have influenced the world to such an extent, how those policies have helped drive divisions and how the younger generations are now less likely to be influenced by woke corporate advertising. As per the title of the thread, I was reading how the younger generations such as Gen Z are becoming more likely to see woke agendas as subversive and not at all inclusive. This rejection of woke in its modern day form, would not surprise me, the younger generations have always had a critical eye on what has gone before, and pushing for change going forward. Very interesting and I agree. Definitely see a shift in younger generations. Which unfortunately includes young lads following the likes of the Tate brothers and all the issues that presents. Young men seeking male role models is not new, but what is different today is how figures like the Tate brothers have capitalised on feelings of disenfranchisement. They’ve seen the backlash against modern woke, which some young men feel has excluded them due to their masculinity. Many will argue that Tate is a problem role model and rightly so, however it is important to understand the role he is profiting from exists. If we want to be an inclusive society, we can’t cherry pick who deserves to feel understood and represented, and in my opinion this feeds into why Gen Z are starting to say that today’s woke culture has become subversive rather than inclusive. How can you use the term ‘woke’ when it means a 100 different things to a 100 different people? Tate definition of woke will be different to mine, yours and many others. Criticising or celebrating something that can’t be explained is pointless " You're struggling to understand that whilst you say you'll get 100 definitions, those hundred will mean roughly the same thing. You can also get 100 different definitions of very well understood words, but again they will all mean roughly the same. Meaning, the overall understanding of any given word is sound. | |||
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"I find it fascinating how corporate woke policies and advertising have influenced the world to such an extent, how those policies have helped drive divisions and how the younger generations are now less likely to be influenced by woke corporate advertising. As per the title of the thread, I was reading how the younger generations such as Gen Z are becoming more likely to see woke agendas as subversive and not at all inclusive. This rejection of woke in its modern day form, would not surprise me, the younger generations have always had a critical eye on what has gone before, and pushing for change going forward. Very interesting and I agree. Definitely see a shift in younger generations. Which unfortunately includes young lads following the likes of the Tate brothers and all the issues that presents. Young men seeking male role models is not new, but what is different today is how figures like the Tate brothers have capitalised on feelings of disenfranchisement. They’ve seen the backlash against modern woke, which some young men feel has excluded them due to their masculinity. Many will argue that Tate is a problem role model and rightly so, however it is important to understand the role he is profiting from exists. If we want to be an inclusive society, we can’t cherry pick who deserves to feel understood and represented, and in my opinion this feeds into why Gen Z are starting to say that today’s woke culture has become subversive rather than inclusive. How can you use the term ‘woke’ when it means a 100 different things to a 100 different people? Tate definition of woke will be different to mine, yours and many others. Criticising or celebrating something that can’t be explained is pointless You're struggling to understand that whilst you say you'll get 100 definitions, those hundred will mean roughly the same thing. You can also get 100 different definitions of very well understood words, but again they will all mean roughly the same. Meaning, the overall understanding of any given word is sound. " How do you know? You don’t have the data to back up what you say anymore than I do, I have my opinion you have yours but don’t pretend you speak for everyone because you don’t . I think the word woke is meaningless, and some use it to refer to anything they don’t like or understand , it will quite rightly be forgotten in a few years  | |||
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"But there really aren't 100 definitions ! Many words have contested or multiple meanings, this doesn't mean they can't be used or discussed. Also its normal for relatively new words to evolve with use, discussing them is part of that evolution. " Which version of woke are you using | |||
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"I find it fascinating how corporate woke policies and advertising have influenced the world to such an extent, how those policies have helped drive divisions and how the younger generations are now less likely to be influenced by woke corporate advertising. As per the title of the thread, I was reading how the younger generations such as Gen Z are becoming more likely to see woke agendas as subversive and not at all inclusive. This rejection of woke in its modern day form, would not surprise me, the younger generations have always had a critical eye on what has gone before, and pushing for change going forward. Very interesting and I agree. Definitely see a shift in younger generations. Which unfortunately includes young lads following the likes of the Tate brothers and all the issues that presents. Young men seeking male role models is not new, but what is different today is how figures like the Tate brothers have capitalised on feelings of disenfranchisement. They’ve seen the backlash against modern woke, which some young men feel has excluded them due to their masculinity. Many will argue that Tate is a problem role model and rightly so, however it is important to understand the role he is profiting from exists. If we want to be an inclusive society, we can’t cherry pick who deserves to feel understood and represented, and in my opinion this feeds into why Gen Z are starting to say that today’s woke culture has become subversive rather than inclusive. How can you use the term ‘woke’ when it means a 100 different things to a 100 different people? Tate definition of woke will be different to mine, yours and many others. Criticising or celebrating something that can’t be explained is pointless You're struggling to understand that whilst you say you'll get 100 definitions, those hundred will mean roughly the same thing. You can also get 100 different definitions of very well understood words, but again they will all mean roughly the same. Meaning, the overall understanding of any given word is sound. How do you know? You don’t have the data to back up what you say anymore than I do, I have my opinion you have yours but don’t pretend you speak for everyone because you don’t . I think the word woke is meaningless, and some use it to refer to anything they don’t like or understand , it will quite rightly be forgotten in a few years "Apologies, I'll be sure to put IMO before I write anything in future. | |||
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"I find it fascinating how corporate woke policies and advertising have influenced the world to such an extent, how those policies have helped drive divisions and how the younger generations are now less likely to be influenced by woke corporate advertising. As per the title of the thread, I was reading how the younger generations such as Gen Z are becoming more likely to see woke agendas as subversive and not at all inclusive. This rejection of woke in its modern day form, would not surprise me, the younger generations have always had a critical eye on what has gone before, and pushing for change going forward. Very interesting and I agree. Definitely see a shift in younger generations. Which unfortunately includes young lads following the likes of the Tate brothers and all the issues that presents. Young men seeking male role models is not new, but what is different today is how figures like the Tate brothers have capitalised on feelings of disenfranchisement. They’ve seen the backlash against modern woke, which some young men feel has excluded them due to their masculinity. Many will argue that Tate is a problem role model and rightly so, however it is important to understand the role he is profiting from exists. If we want to be an inclusive society, we can’t cherry pick who deserves to feel understood and represented, and in my opinion this feeds into why Gen Z are starting to say that today’s woke culture has become subversive rather than inclusive. How can you use the term ‘woke’ when it means a 100 different things to a 100 different people? Tate definition of woke will be different to mine, yours and many others. Criticising or celebrating something that can’t be explained is pointless You're struggling to understand that whilst you say you'll get 100 definitions, those hundred will mean roughly the same thing. You can also get 100 different definitions of very well understood words, but again they will all mean roughly the same. Meaning, the overall understanding of any given word is sound. How do you know? You don’t have the data to back up what you say anymore than I do, I have my opinion you have yours but don’t pretend you speak for everyone because you don’t . I think the word woke is meaningless, and some use it to refer to anything they don’t like or understand , it will quite rightly be forgotten in a few years
Apologies, I'll be sure to put IMO before I write anything in future.
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"But there really aren't 100 definitions ! Many words have contested or multiple meanings, this doesn't mean they can't be used or discussed. Also its normal for relatively new words to evolve with use, discussing them is part of that evolution. Which version of woke are you using " Eh ? I've already given my definition above ! | |||
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"I find it fascinating how corporate woke policies and advertising have influenced the world to such an extent, how those policies have helped drive divisions and how the younger generations are now less likely to be influenced by woke corporate advertising. As per the title of the thread, I was reading how the younger generations such as Gen Z are becoming more likely to see woke agendas as subversive and not at all inclusive. This rejection of woke in its modern day form, would not surprise me, the younger generations have always had a critical eye on what has gone before, and pushing for change going forward. Very interesting and I agree. Definitely see a shift in younger generations. Which unfortunately includes young lads following the likes of the Tate brothers and all the issues that presents. Young men seeking male role models is not new, but what is different today is how figures like the Tate brothers have capitalised on feelings of disenfranchisement. They’ve seen the backlash against modern woke, which some young men feel has excluded them due to their masculinity. Many will argue that Tate is a problem role model and rightly so, however it is important to understand the role he is profiting from exists. If we want to be an inclusive society, we can’t cherry pick who deserves to feel understood and represented, and in my opinion this feeds into why Gen Z are starting to say that today’s woke culture has become subversive rather than inclusive. How can you use the term ‘woke’ when it means a 100 different things to a 100 different people? Tate definition of woke will be different to mine, yours and many others. Criticising or celebrating something that can’t be explained is pointless You're struggling to understand that whilst you say you'll get 100 definitions, those hundred will mean roughly the same thing. You can also get 100 different definitions of very well understood words, but again they will all mean roughly the same. Meaning, the overall understanding of any given word is sound. How do you know? You don’t have the data to back up what you say anymore than I do, I have my opinion you have yours but don’t pretend you speak for everyone because you don’t . I think the word woke is meaningless, and some use it to refer to anything they don’t like or understand , it will quite rightly be forgotten in a few years
Apologies, I'll be sure to put IMO before I write anything in future.
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"But there really aren't 100 definitions ! Many words have contested or multiple meanings, this doesn't mean they can't be used or discussed. Also its normal for relatively new words to evolve with use, discussing them is part of that evolution. Which version of woke are you using Eh ? I've already given my definition above ! " Sorry but I can’t see it | |||
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"Some millenials have embraced DEI quotas. According to my kids, Gen Z appear to be rejecting those. Although we're not allowed to use first hand knowledge from only 2 people so fuck knows. " Generation Zombies *evil laugh* | |||
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"I find it fascinating how corporate woke policies and advertising have influenced the world to such an extent, how those policies have helped drive divisions and how the younger generations are now less likely to be influenced by woke corporate advertising. As per the title of the thread, I was reading how the younger generations such as Gen Z are becoming more likely to see woke agendas as subversive and not at all inclusive. This rejection of woke in its modern day form, would not surprise me, the younger generations have always had a critical eye on what has gone before, and pushing for change going forward. Very interesting and I agree. Definitely see a shift in younger generations. Which unfortunately includes young lads following the likes of the Tate brothers and all the issues that presents. Young men seeking male role models is not new, but what is different today is how figures like the Tate brothers have capitalised on feelings of disenfranchisement. They’ve seen the backlash against modern woke, which some young men feel has excluded them due to their masculinity. Many will argue that Tate is a problem role model and rightly so, however it is important to understand the role he is profiting from exists. If we want to be an inclusive society, we can’t cherry pick who deserves to feel understood and represented, and in my opinion this feeds into why Gen Z are starting to say that today’s woke culture has become subversive rather than inclusive. How can you use the term ‘woke’ when it means a 100 different things to a 100 different people? Tate definition of woke will be different to mine, yours and many others. Criticising or celebrating something that can’t be explained is pointless You're struggling to understand that whilst you say you'll get 100 definitions, those hundred will mean roughly the same thing. You can also get 100 different definitions of very well understood words, but again they will all mean roughly the same. Meaning, the overall understanding of any given word is sound. How do you know? You don’t have the data to back up what you say anymore than I do, I have my opinion you have yours but don’t pretend you speak for everyone because you don’t . I think the word woke is meaningless, and some use it to refer to anything they don’t like or understand , it will quite rightly be forgotten in a few years
Apologies, I'll be sure to put IMO before I write anything in future.
It is for the best, I hate to break it to you but my opinion isn’t better than yours and yours isn’t better than mine
What are you breaking to me? You seem fairly certain that your opinion is the correct one. Even when you're proven wrong. "Are you a mind reader? | |||
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"I find it fascinating how corporate woke policies and advertising have influenced the world to such an extent, how those policies have helped drive divisions and how the younger generations are now less likely to be influenced by woke corporate advertising. As per the title of the thread, I was reading how the younger generations such as Gen Z are becoming more likely to see woke agendas as subversive and not at all inclusive. This rejection of woke in its modern day form, would not surprise me, the younger generations have always had a critical eye on what has gone before, and pushing for change going forward. Very interesting and I agree. Definitely see a shift in younger generations. Which unfortunately includes young lads following the likes of the Tate brothers and all the issues that presents. Young men seeking male role models is not new, but what is different today is how figures like the Tate brothers have capitalised on feelings of disenfranchisement. They’ve seen the backlash against modern woke, which some young men feel has excluded them due to their masculinity. Many will argue that Tate is a problem role model and rightly so, however it is important to understand the role he is profiting from exists. If we want to be an inclusive society, we can’t cherry pick who deserves to feel understood and represented, and in my opinion this feeds into why Gen Z are starting to say that today’s woke culture has become subversive rather than inclusive. How can you use the term ‘woke’ when it means a 100 different things to a 100 different people? Tate definition of woke will be different to mine, yours and many others. Criticising or celebrating something that can’t be explained is pointless You're struggling to understand that whilst you say you'll get 100 definitions, those hundred will mean roughly the same thing. You can also get 100 different definitions of very well understood words, but again they will all mean roughly the same. Meaning, the overall understanding of any given word is sound. How do you know? You don’t have the data to back up what you say anymore than I do, I have my opinion you have yours but don’t pretend you speak for everyone because you don’t . I think the word woke is meaningless, and some use it to refer to anything they don’t like or understand , it will quite rightly be forgotten in a few years
Apologies, I'll be sure to put IMO before I write anything in future.
It is for the best, I hate to break it to you but my opinion isn’t better than yours and yours isn’t better than mine
What are you breaking to me? You seem fairly certain that your opinion is the correct one. Even when you're proven wrong.
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"I find it fascinating how corporate woke policies and advertising have influenced the world to such an extent, how those policies have helped drive divisions and how the younger generations are now less likely to be influenced by woke corporate advertising. As per the title of the thread, I was reading how the younger generations such as Gen Z are becoming more likely to see woke agendas as subversive and not at all inclusive. This rejection of woke in its modern day form, would not surprise me, the younger generations have always had a critical eye on what has gone before, and pushing for change going forward. Very interesting and I agree. Definitely see a shift in younger generations. Which unfortunately includes young lads following the likes of the Tate brothers and all the issues that presents. Young men seeking male role models is not new, but what is different today is how figures like the Tate brothers have capitalised on feelings of disenfranchisement. They’ve seen the backlash against modern woke, which some young men feel has excluded them due to their masculinity. Many will argue that Tate is a problem role model and rightly so, however it is important to understand the role he is profiting from exists. If we want to be an inclusive society, we can’t cherry pick who deserves to feel understood and represented, and in my opinion this feeds into why Gen Z are starting to say that today’s woke culture has become subversive rather than inclusive. How can you use the term ‘woke’ when it means a 100 different things to a 100 different people? Tate definition of woke will be different to mine, yours and many others. Criticising or celebrating something that can’t be explained is pointless You're struggling to understand that whilst you say you'll get 100 definitions, those hundred will mean roughly the same thing. You can also get 100 different definitions of very well understood words, but again they will all mean roughly the same. Meaning, the overall understanding of any given word is sound. How do you know? You don’t have the data to back up what you say anymore than I do, I have my opinion you have yours but don’t pretend you speak for everyone because you don’t . I think the word woke is meaningless, and some use it to refer to anything they don’t like or understand , it will quite rightly be forgotten in a few years
Apologies, I'll be sure to put IMO before I write anything in future.
It is for the best, I hate to break it to you but my opinion isn’t better than yours and yours isn’t better than mine
What are you breaking to me? You seem fairly certain that your opinion is the correct one. Even when you're proven wrong.
Are you a mind reader?
No fella, I'm a word reader "Then you obviously haven’t been reading this thread. If you had you would have read that I stated that there are many definitions of woke, yours, mine everyone else’s, the fact I think mine is right, you think yours is right proves my point perfectly | |||
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"I find it fascinating how corporate woke policies and advertising have influenced the world to such an extent, how those policies have helped drive divisions and how the younger generations are now less likely to be influenced by woke corporate advertising. As per the title of the thread, I was reading how the younger generations such as Gen Z are becoming more likely to see woke agendas as subversive and not at all inclusive. This rejection of woke in its modern day form, would not surprise me, the younger generations have always had a critical eye on what has gone before, and pushing for change going forward. Very interesting and I agree. Definitely see a shift in younger generations. Which unfortunately includes young lads following the likes of the Tate brothers and all the issues that presents. Young men seeking male role models is not new, but what is different today is how figures like the Tate brothers have capitalised on feelings of disenfranchisement. They’ve seen the backlash against modern woke, which some young men feel has excluded them due to their masculinity. Many will argue that Tate is a problem role model and rightly so, however it is important to understand the role he is profiting from exists. If we want to be an inclusive society, we can’t cherry pick who deserves to feel understood and represented, and in my opinion this feeds into why Gen Z are starting to say that today’s woke culture has become subversive rather than inclusive. How can you use the term ‘woke’ when it means a 100 different things to a 100 different people? Tate definition of woke will be different to mine, yours and many others. Criticising or celebrating something that can’t be explained is pointless You're struggling to understand that whilst you say you'll get 100 definitions, those hundred will mean roughly the same thing. You can also get 100 different definitions of very well understood words, but again they will all mean roughly the same. Meaning, the overall understanding of any given word is sound. How do you know? You don’t have the data to back up what you say anymore than I do, I have my opinion you have yours but don’t pretend you speak for everyone because you don’t . I think the word woke is meaningless, and some use it to refer to anything they don’t like or understand , it will quite rightly be forgotten in a few years
Apologies, I'll be sure to put IMO before I write anything in future.
It is for the best, I hate to break it to you but my opinion isn’t better than yours and yours isn’t better than mine
What are you breaking to me? You seem fairly certain that your opinion is the correct one. Even when you're proven wrong.
Are you a mind reader?
No fella, I'm a word reader
Then you obviously haven’t been reading this thread. If you had you would have read that I stated that there are many definitions of woke, yours, mine everyone else’s, the fact I think mine is right, you think yours is right proves my point perfectly "I don't think mine is right. In fact, I haven't given a definition. | |||
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"I find it fascinating how corporate woke policies and advertising have influenced the world to such an extent, how those policies have helped drive divisions and how the younger generations are now less likely to be influenced by woke corporate advertising. As per the title of the thread, I was reading how the younger generations such as Gen Z are becoming more likely to see woke agendas as subversive and not at all inclusive. This rejection of woke in its modern day form, would not surprise me, the younger generations have always had a critical eye on what has gone before, and pushing for change going forward. Very interesting and I agree. Definitely see a shift in younger generations. Which unfortunately includes young lads following the likes of the Tate brothers and all the issues that presents. Young men seeking male role models is not new, but what is different today is how figures like the Tate brothers have capitalised on feelings of disenfranchisement. They’ve seen the backlash against modern woke, which some young men feel has excluded them due to their masculinity. Many will argue that Tate is a problem role model and rightly so, however it is important to understand the role he is profiting from exists. If we want to be an inclusive society, we can’t cherry pick who deserves to feel understood and represented, and in my opinion this feeds into why Gen Z are starting to say that today’s woke culture has become subversive rather than inclusive. How can you use the term ‘woke’ when it means a 100 different things to a 100 different people? Tate definition of woke will be different to mine, yours and many others. Criticising or celebrating something that can’t be explained is pointless You're struggling to understand that whilst you say you'll get 100 definitions, those hundred will mean roughly the same thing. You can also get 100 different definitions of very well understood words, but again they will all mean roughly the same. Meaning, the overall understanding of any given word is sound. How do you know? You don’t have the data to back up what you say anymore than I do, I have my opinion you have yours but don’t pretend you speak for everyone because you don’t . I think the word woke is meaningless, and some use it to refer to anything they don’t like or understand , it will quite rightly be forgotten in a few years
Apologies, I'll be sure to put IMO before I write anything in future.
It is for the best, I hate to break it to you but my opinion isn’t better than yours and yours isn’t better than mine
What are you breaking to me? You seem fairly certain that your opinion is the correct one. Even when you're proven wrong.
Are you a mind reader?
No fella, I'm a word reader
Then you obviously haven’t been reading this thread. If you had you would have read that I stated that there are many definitions of woke, yours, mine everyone else’s, the fact I think mine is right, you think yours is right proves my point perfectly
I don't think mine is right. In fact, I haven't given a definition. "Be brave, tell us what you think woke is, is it the same as mine? | |||
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"I find it fascinating how corporate woke policies and advertising have influenced the world to such an extent, how those policies have helped drive divisions and how the younger generations are now less likely to be influenced by woke corporate advertising. As per the title of the thread, I was reading how the younger generations such as Gen Z are becoming more likely to see woke agendas as subversive and not at all inclusive. This rejection of woke in its modern day form, would not surprise me, the younger generations have always had a critical eye on what has gone before, and pushing for change going forward. Very interesting and I agree. Definitely see a shift in younger generations. Which unfortunately includes young lads following the likes of the Tate brothers and all the issues that presents. Young men seeking male role models is not new, but what is different today is how figures like the Tate brothers have capitalised on feelings of disenfranchisement. They’ve seen the backlash against modern woke, which some young men feel has excluded them due to their masculinity. Many will argue that Tate is a problem role model and rightly so, however it is important to understand the role he is profiting from exists. If we want to be an inclusive society, we can’t cherry pick who deserves to feel understood and represented, and in my opinion this feeds into why Gen Z are starting to say that today’s woke culture has become subversive rather than inclusive. How can you use the term ‘woke’ when it means a 100 different things to a 100 different people? Tate definition of woke will be different to mine, yours and many others. Criticising or celebrating something that can’t be explained is pointless You're struggling to understand that whilst you say you'll get 100 definitions, those hundred will mean roughly the same thing. You can also get 100 different definitions of very well understood words, but again they will all mean roughly the same. Meaning, the overall understanding of any given word is sound. How do you know? You don’t have the data to back up what you say anymore than I do, I have my opinion you have yours but don’t pretend you speak for everyone because you don’t . I think the word woke is meaningless, and some use it to refer to anything they don’t like or understand , it will quite rightly be forgotten in a few years
Apologies, I'll be sure to put IMO before I write anything in future.
It is for the best, I hate to break it to you but my opinion isn’t better than yours and yours isn’t better than mine
What are you breaking to me? You seem fairly certain that your opinion is the correct one. Even when you're proven wrong.
Are you a mind reader?
No fella, I'm a word reader
Then you obviously haven’t been reading this thread. If you had you would have read that I stated that there are many definitions of woke, yours, mine everyone else’s, the fact I think mine is right, you think yours is right proves my point perfectly
I don't think mine is right. In fact, I haven't given a definition.
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"I find it fascinating how corporate woke policies and advertising have influenced the world to such an extent, how those policies have helped drive divisions and how the younger generations are now less likely to be influenced by woke corporate advertising. As per the title of the thread, I was reading how the younger generations such as Gen Z are becoming more likely to see woke agendas as subversive and not at all inclusive. This rejection of woke in its modern day form, would not surprise me, the younger generations have always had a critical eye on what has gone before, and pushing for change going forward. " People call it a conspiracy theory. But there is some truth to it - Corporates started pushing for woke ideology ever since the Occupy Wall Street protests happened. It was their attempt to push the left away from socialist ideals towards identity politics. They can pretend like they care about the society just by adding a pride flag to their logo or by casting "diverse" people in their ads. The woke ideology didn't have a solid foundation and was full of contradictions. It was only a matter of time before the whole thing crumbled. Good to see it happening at last. | |||
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"I find it fascinating how corporate woke policies and advertising have influenced the world to such an extent, how those policies have helped drive divisions and how the younger generations are now less likely to be influenced by woke corporate advertising. As per the title of the thread, I was reading how the younger generations such as Gen Z are becoming more likely to see woke agendas as subversive and not at all inclusive. This rejection of woke in its modern day form, would not surprise me, the younger generations have always had a critical eye on what has gone before, and pushing for change going forward. Very interesting and I agree. Definitely see a shift in younger generations. Which unfortunately includes young lads following the likes of the Tate brothers and all the issues that presents. Young men seeking male role models is not new, but what is different today is how figures like the Tate brothers have capitalised on feelings of disenfranchisement. They’ve seen the backlash against modern woke, which some young men feel has excluded them due to their masculinity. Many will argue that Tate is a problem role model and rightly so, however it is important to understand the role he is profiting from exists. If we want to be an inclusive society, we can’t cherry pick who deserves to feel understood and represented, and in my opinion this feeds into why Gen Z are starting to say that today’s woke culture has become subversive rather than inclusive. How can you use the term ‘woke’ when it means a 100 different things to a 100 different people? Tate definition of woke will be different to mine, yours and many others. Criticising or celebrating something that can’t be explained is pointless You're struggling to understand that whilst you say you'll get 100 definitions, those hundred will mean roughly the same thing. You can also get 100 different definitions of very well understood words, but again they will all mean roughly the same. Meaning, the overall understanding of any given word is sound. How do you know? You don’t have the data to back up what you say anymore than I do, I have my opinion you have yours but don’t pretend you speak for everyone because you don’t . I think the word woke is meaningless, and some use it to refer to anything they don’t like or understand , it will quite rightly be forgotten in a few years
Apologies, I'll be sure to put IMO before I write anything in future.
It is for the best, I hate to break it to you but my opinion isn’t better than yours and yours isn’t better than mine
What are you breaking to me? You seem fairly certain that your opinion is the correct one. Even when you're proven wrong.
Are you a mind reader?
No fella, I'm a word reader
Then you obviously haven’t been reading this thread. If you had you would have read that I stated that there are many definitions of woke, yours, mine everyone else’s, the fact I think mine is right, you think yours is right proves my point perfectly
I don't think mine is right. In fact, I haven't given a definition.
Be brave, tell us what you think woke is, is it the same as mine?
Why are you so het up mate? We both know it isn't the same. I've already agreed you can have multiple definitions of any given word. "Thank you, that proves my point perfectly | |||
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"I find it fascinating how corporate woke policies and advertising have influenced the world to such an extent, how those policies have helped drive divisions and how the younger generations are now less likely to be influenced by woke corporate advertising. As per the title of the thread, I was reading how the younger generations such as Gen Z are becoming more likely to see woke agendas as subversive and not at all inclusive. This rejection of woke in its modern day form, would not surprise me, the younger generations have always had a critical eye on what has gone before, and pushing for change going forward. People call it a conspiracy theory. But there is some truth to it - Corporates started pushing for woke ideology ever since the Occupy Wall Street protests happened. It was their attempt to push the left away from socialist ideals towards identity politics. They can pretend like they care about the society just by adding a pride flag to their logo or by casting "diverse" people in their ads. The woke ideology didn't have a solid foundation and was full of contradictions. It was only a matter of time before the whole thing crumbled. Good to see it happening at last." Who is behind this Woke ideology ? Is it a person? A group? A party? An evil villain with a cat on his lap? | |||
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"I find it fascinating how corporate woke policies and advertising have influenced the world to such an extent, how those policies have helped drive divisions and how the younger generations are now less likely to be influenced by woke corporate advertising. As per the title of the thread, I was reading how the younger generations such as Gen Z are becoming more likely to see woke agendas as subversive and not at all inclusive. This rejection of woke in its modern day form, would not surprise me, the younger generations have always had a critical eye on what has gone before, and pushing for change going forward. People call it a conspiracy theory. But there is some truth to it - Corporates started pushing for woke ideology ever since the Occupy Wall Street protests happened. It was their attempt to push the left away from socialist ideals towards identity politics. They can pretend like they care about the society just by adding a pride flag to their logo or by casting "diverse" people in their ads. The woke ideology didn't have a solid foundation and was full of contradictions. It was only a matter of time before the whole thing crumbled. Good to see it happening at last. Who is behind this Woke ideology ? Is it a person? A group? A party? An evil villain with a cat on his lap? " It need not be a single personto a group or a party or an evil villain with a cat on his lap. Most social trends just spread. | |||
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"I find it fascinating how corporate woke policies and advertising have influenced the world to such an extent, how those policies have helped drive divisions and how the younger generations are now less likely to be influenced by woke corporate advertising. As per the title of the thread, I was reading how the younger generations such as Gen Z are becoming more likely to see woke agendas as subversive and not at all inclusive. This rejection of woke in its modern day form, would not surprise me, the younger generations have always had a critical eye on what has gone before, and pushing for change going forward. People call it a conspiracy theory. But there is some truth to it - Corporates started pushing for woke ideology ever since the Occupy Wall Street protests happened. It was their attempt to push the left away from socialist ideals towards identity politics. They can pretend like they care about the society just by adding a pride flag to their logo or by casting "diverse" people in their ads. The woke ideology didn't have a solid foundation and was full of contradictions. It was only a matter of time before the whole thing crumbled. Good to see it happening at last. Who is behind this Woke ideology ? Is it a person? A group? A party? An evil villain with a cat on his lap? It need not be a single personto a group or a party or an evil villain with a cat on his lap. Most social trends just spread." From where? Has to start somewhere? And what is the woke ideology? I see woke being blamed for a lot of things, it can’t be that simple | |||
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"Apparently the EU is woke because they think plastic bottle tops getting into the sea is a bad thing." Bastards, and builders are woke because they follow the latest health and safety guidelines | |||
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"If anyone wants to do basic research it's quite easy to find the roots of wokeism (in French post modernism and social Marxism) and exactly how woke ideas spread (post 1968 followers of these ideas assuming influential positions in academia and journalism). The weakness of woke is that these ideas were top-down ones rather than popular movements such as the Civil Rights campaigns or Gay Rights movement Stonewall." So woke was around in the 1970s | |||
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"Apparently the EU is woke because they think plastic bottle tops getting into the sea is a bad thing." Jeremy Clarkson thinks the NHS is woke because they advise people not to drink and smoke because it’s bad for your health, evil bastards | |||
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"If anyone wants to do basic research it's quite easy to find the roots of wokeism (in French post modernism and social Marxism) and exactly how woke ideas spread (post 1968 followers of these ideas assuming influential positions in academia and journalism). The weakness of woke is that these ideas were top-down ones rather than popular movements such as the Civil Rights campaigns or Gay Rights movement Stonewall. So woke was around in the 1970s " I feel you're asking me and others questions which are easily answered with a few minutes online research. If you don't want to do that (your choice) then I think your contributions to this debate are becoming rather circular, so please forgive me for not addressing them further. | |||
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"If anyone wants to do basic research it's quite easy to find the roots of wokeism (in French post modernism and social Marxism) and exactly how woke ideas spread (post 1968 followers of these ideas assuming influential positions in academia and journalism). The weakness of woke is that these ideas were top-down ones rather than popular movements such as the Civil Rights campaigns or Gay Rights movement Stonewall. So woke was around in the 1970s I feel you're asking me and others questions which are easily answered with a few minutes online research. If you don't want to do that (your choice) then I think your contributions to this debate are becoming rather circular, so please forgive me for not addressing them further." Many thanks for your eloquent and forthright reply | |||
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"I actually think woke or wokeism can be easily defined. It is a movement led mostly by left wing activists and organisation that promotes their definition of social, sexual and racial anti discrimination. It would include: critical race theory, DEI programmes, gender self ID, the aim of economic equity rather than equality or meritocracy, intersectional theory, etc. This is a new one. Haven't seen this before. Fair play to you. What makes you pick this over say the multitude of other personal definitions people on here have used. And what makes you pick this over say the dictionary? As I started the thread I feel its reasonable to provide my own definition to help the debate. Woke is clearly a contested term with both positive and negative definitions." Fair enough. Your personal version of woke has barely ever existed. No need to worry. Case closed. | |||
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"Apparently the EU is woke because they think plastic bottle tops getting into the sea is a bad thing." So if I live in Birmingham how does a plastic bottle top end up in the sea. Mostly I put them in the bin and the Council takes them away. If I throw it on the floor the Council still picks it up and takes it away. I’m not sure it’s my fault if Birmingham Council dumps bottle tops in the sea. | |||
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"But there really aren't 100 definitions ! Many words have contested or multiple meanings, this doesn't mean they can't be used or discussed. Also its normal for relatively new words to evolve with use, discussing them is part of that evolution. " There really are. There's the dictionary definition. Then even on fab amongst those who use woke as a derogatory term all have their differing personal versions. It's utterly meaningless. The only useful thing about the word "woke" is when it's used as an insult, therefore identifying the insulter as having nothing useful or interesting to say. | |||
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"Apparently the EU is woke because they think plastic bottle tops getting into the sea is a bad thing. So if I live in Birmingham how does a plastic bottle top end up in the sea. Mostly I put them in the bin and the Council takes them away. If I throw it on the floor the Council still picks it up and takes it away. I’m not sure it’s my fault if Birmingham Council dumps bottle tops in the sea." Who said it was, what do you miss most about those mythical pre woke days? | |||
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"Apparently the EU is woke because they think plastic bottle tops getting into the sea is a bad thing. So if I live in Birmingham how does a plastic bottle top end up in the sea. Mostly I put them in the bin and the Council takes them away. If I throw it on the floor the Council still picks it up and takes it away. I’m not sure it’s my fault if Birmingham Council dumps bottle tops in the sea." Being concerned about social injustice like this is very woke. | |||
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"The history of woke as a word is interesting and revealing. Initially it was embraced and promoted by advocates. However once the ideas behind the word were scrutinised outside narrow activist circles, it suddenly became impossible to define, and therefore beyond criticism! "What do you miss most about the pre woke days ? | |||
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"Apparently the EU is woke because they think plastic bottle tops getting into the sea is a bad thing. So if I live in Birmingham how does a plastic bottle top end up in the sea. Mostly I put them in the bin and the Council takes them away. If I throw it on the floor the Council still picks it up and takes it away. I’m not sure it’s my fault if Birmingham Council dumps bottle tops in the sea. Being concerned about social injustice like this is very woke." It will go down in history as one of the EU’s greatest achievements. Pinning bottle tops to bottles. People will look back in a hundred years and wonder why this great civilisation disappeared with such amazing innovation at its core. | |||
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"Apparently the EU is woke because they think plastic bottle tops getting into the sea is a bad thing. So if I live in Birmingham how does a plastic bottle top end up in the sea. Mostly I put them in the bin and the Council takes them away. If I throw it on the floor the Council still picks it up and takes it away. I’m not sure it’s my fault if Birmingham Council dumps bottle tops in the sea. Being concerned about social injustice like this is very woke. It will go down in history as one of the EU’s greatest achievements. Pinning bottle tops to bottles. People will look back in a hundred years and wonder why this great civilisation disappeared with such amazing innovation at its core." It’s an outrage, why can’t a person be allowed to just throw a bottle top on the floor anyone, bloody woke | |||
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"Record numbers of young people voting for Trump, and for right wing parties in Europe. Big corporations dropping their DEI programmes. The Cass Review in the UK, even Wes Streeting speaking out. Is it over for wokeism? It's beginning to feel like something that millennials embraced but the next generation will soon abandon." Here's hoping. | |||
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"Record numbers of young people voting for Trump, and for right wing parties in Europe. Big corporations dropping their DEI programmes. The Cass Review in the UK, even Wes Streeting speaking out. Is it over for wokeism? It's beginning to feel like something that millennials embraced but the next generation will soon abandon. Wokism never existed, it was something the right wing made up to explain things they don’t like or don’t understand Wokeism most definitely exists on dictionary .com" | |||
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"Apparently the EU is woke because they think plastic bottle tops getting into the sea is a bad thing. So if I live in Birmingham how does a plastic bottle top end up in the sea. Mostly I put them in the bin and the Council takes them away. If I throw it on the floor the Council still picks it up and takes it away. I’m not sure it’s my fault if Birmingham Council dumps bottle tops in the sea. Being concerned about social injustice like this is very woke. It will go down in history as one of the EU’s greatest achievements. Pinning bottle tops to bottles. People will look back in a hundred years and wonder why this great civilisation disappeared with such amazing innovation at its core. It’s an outrage, why can’t a person be allowed to just throw a bottle top on the floor anyone, bloody woke " How does the bottle top end up in the sea? I’m simply querying what the process is for all these bottle tops to be polluting our oceans. When I go to the seaside I don’t see thousands of people throwing their bottle tops in the sea, so how do they get there from the UK? | |||
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"The woke workplace has banned workers from making racist, sexist and homophobic remarks. Why can’t a person be racist, sexist or homophobic in the workplace anymore, bloody woke ," Those things were already banned, some under equality legislation, some under basic decency. What 'woke' has done is moved it on to banning anything that a theoretical listener might possibly consider to be racist, sexist, or homophobic, even if the speaker had no such intention. | |||
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"Apparently the EU is woke because they think plastic bottle tops getting into the sea is a bad thing. So if I live in Birmingham how does a plastic bottle top end up in the sea. Mostly I put them in the bin and the Council takes them away. If I throw it on the floor the Council still picks it up and takes it away. I’m not sure it’s my fault if Birmingham Council dumps bottle tops in the sea. Being concerned about social injustice like this is very woke. It will go down in history as one of the EU’s greatest achievements. Pinning bottle tops to bottles. People will look back in a hundred years and wonder why this great civilisation disappeared with such amazing innovation at its core. It’s an outrage, why can’t a person be allowed to just throw a bottle top on the floor anyone, bloody woke How does the bottle top end up in the sea? I’m simply querying what the process is for all these bottle tops to be polluting our oceans. When I go to the seaside I don’t see thousands of people throwing their bottle tops in the sea, so how do they get there from the UK?" You are getting annoyed because a bottle top is now attached to the bottle? | |||
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"Apparently the EU is woke because they think plastic bottle tops getting into the sea is a bad thing. So if I live in Birmingham how does a plastic bottle top end up in the sea. Mostly I put them in the bin and the Council takes them away. If I throw it on the floor the Council still picks it up and takes it away. I’m not sure it’s my fault if Birmingham Council dumps bottle tops in the sea. Being concerned about social injustice like this is very woke. It will go down in history as one of the EU’s greatest achievements. Pinning bottle tops to bottles. People will look back in a hundred years and wonder why this great civilisation disappeared with such amazing innovation at its core. It’s an outrage, why can’t a person be allowed to just throw a bottle top on the floor anyone, bloody woke How does the bottle top end up in the sea? I’m simply querying what the process is for all these bottle tops to be polluting our oceans. When I go to the seaside I don’t see thousands of people throwing their bottle tops in the sea, so how do they get there from the UK? You are getting annoyed because a bottle top is now attached to the bottle? " No the previous poster said that the EU is taking action to stop bottle tops ending up in the sea. I’m simply trying to understand how UK bottle tops make their way into the sea. | |||
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"The woke workplace has banned workers from making racist, sexist and homophobic remarks. Why can’t a person be racist, sexist or homophobic in the workplace anymore, bloody woke , Those things were already banned, some under equality legislation, some under basic decency. What 'woke' has done is moved it on to banning anything that a theoretical listener might possibly consider to be racist, sexist, or homophobic, even if the speaker had no such intention." No it hasn’t, woke is a made up phenomenon, the legislation hasn’t changed , tell what you miss most about the pre woke days | |||
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"Apparently the EU is woke because they think plastic bottle tops getting into the sea is a bad thing. So if I live in Birmingham how does a plastic bottle top end up in the sea. Mostly I put them in the bin and the Council takes them away. If I throw it on the floor the Council still picks it up and takes it away. I’m not sure it’s my fault if Birmingham Council dumps bottle tops in the sea. Being concerned about social injustice like this is very woke. It will go down in history as one of the EU’s greatest achievements. Pinning bottle tops to bottles. People will look back in a hundred years and wonder why this great civilisation disappeared with such amazing innovation at its core. It’s an outrage, why can’t a person be allowed to just throw a bottle top on the floor anyone, bloody woke How does the bottle top end up in the sea? I’m simply querying what the process is for all these bottle tops to be polluting our oceans. When I go to the seaside I don’t see thousands of people throwing their bottle tops in the sea, so how do they get there from the UK? You are getting annoyed because a bottle top is now attached to the bottle? No the previous poster said that the EU is taking action to stop bottle tops ending up in the sea. I’m simply trying to understand how UK bottle tops make their way into the sea." We aren’t in the EU, but seriously, it’s not just to stop them getting in the sea, it stops littering | |||
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"Apparently the EU is woke because they think plastic bottle tops getting into the sea is a bad thing. So if I live in Birmingham how does a plastic bottle top end up in the sea. Mostly I put them in the bin and the Council takes them away. If I throw it on the floor the Council still picks it up and takes it away. I’m not sure it’s my fault if Birmingham Council dumps bottle tops in the sea. Being concerned about social injustice like this is very woke. It will go down in history as one of the EU’s greatest achievements. Pinning bottle tops to bottles. People will look back in a hundred years and wonder why this great civilisation disappeared with such amazing innovation at its core. It’s an outrage, why can’t a person be allowed to just throw a bottle top on the floor anyone, bloody woke How does the bottle top end up in the sea? I’m simply querying what the process is for all these bottle tops to be polluting our oceans. When I go to the seaside I don’t see thousands of people throwing their bottle tops in the sea, so how do they get there from the UK? You are getting annoyed because a bottle top is now attached to the bottle? No the previous poster said that the EU is taking action to stop bottle tops ending up in the sea. I’m simply trying to understand how UK bottle tops make their way into the sea. We aren’t in the EU, but seriously, it’s not just to stop them getting in the sea, it stops littering " So people who are inclined to throw bottle tops on the floor draw the line at throwing an empty bottle on the floor? | |||
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"The woke workplace has banned workers from making racist, sexist and homophobic remarks. Why can’t a person be racist, sexist or homophobic in the workplace anymore, bloody woke , Those things were already banned, some under equality legislation, some under basic decency. What 'woke' has done is moved it on to banning anything that a theoretical listener might possibly consider to be racist, sexist, or homophobic, even if the speaker had no such intention." Un conscious and structural 'bias' are both very woke ideas. | |||
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"No it hasn’t, woke is a made up phenomenon, the legislation hasn’t changed , tell what you miss most about the pre woke days" You have to admire the audacity of someone that claims woke doesn't exist, and then in the same sentence, uses 'woke' as a definition. | |||
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"Apparently the EU is woke because they think plastic bottle tops getting into the sea is a bad thing. So if I live in Birmingham how does a plastic bottle top end up in the sea. Mostly I put them in the bin and the Council takes them away. If I throw it on the floor the Council still picks it up and takes it away. I’m not sure it’s my fault if Birmingham Council dumps bottle tops in the sea. Being concerned about social injustice like this is very woke. It will go down in history as one of the EU’s greatest achievements. Pinning bottle tops to bottles. People will look back in a hundred years and wonder why this great civilisation disappeared with such amazing innovation at its core. It’s an outrage, why can’t a person be allowed to just throw a bottle top on the floor anyone, bloody woke How does the bottle top end up in the sea? I’m simply querying what the process is for all these bottle tops to be polluting our oceans. When I go to the seaside I don’t see thousands of people throwing their bottle tops in the sea, so how do they get there from the UK? You are getting annoyed because a bottle top is now attached to the bottle? No the previous poster said that the EU is taking action to stop bottle tops ending up in the sea. I’m simply trying to understand how UK bottle tops make their way into the sea. We aren’t in the EU, but seriously, it’s not just to stop them getting in the sea, it stops littering So people who are inclined to throw bottle tops on the floor draw the line at throwing an empty bottle on the floor?" No idea, it’s not something I am overly worried about, but at least people won’t loose there bottle top, | |||
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"No it hasn’t, woke is a made up phenomenon, the legislation hasn’t changed , tell what you miss most about the pre woke days You have to admire the audacity of someone that claims woke doesn't exist, and then in the same sentence, uses 'woke' as a definition." You think it exists? Tell me what you miss? | |||
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"The woke workplace has banned workers from making racist, sexist and homophobic remarks. Why can’t a person be racist, sexist or homophobic in the workplace anymore, bloody woke , Those things were already banned, some under equality legislation, some under basic decency. What 'woke' has done is moved it on to banning anything that a theoretical listener might possibly consider to be racist, sexist, or homophobic, even if the speaker had no such intention. Un conscious and structural 'bias' are both very woke ideas. " Are they? Did they come direct from the woke manual ? Or are you calling them woke because you don’t understand or like them | |||
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"No it hasn’t, woke is a made up phenomenon, the legislation hasn’t changed , tell what you miss most about the pre woke days You have to admire the audacity of someone that claims woke doesn't exist, and then in the same sentence, uses 'woke' as a definition. You think it exists? Tell me what you miss? " Apparently Google is a very good place to get information. You should try it | |||
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"No it hasn’t, woke is a made up phenomenon, the legislation hasn’t changed , tell what you miss most about the pre woke days You have to admire the audacity of someone that claims woke doesn't exist, and then in the same sentence, uses 'woke' as a definition. You think it exists? Tell me what you miss? Apparently Google is a very good place to get information. You should try it "I looked, it states woke is made up nonsense, | |||
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"Apparently the EU is woke because they think plastic bottle tops getting into the sea is a bad thing. So if I live in Birmingham how does a plastic bottle top end up in the sea. Mostly I put them in the bin and the Council takes them away. If I throw it on the floor the Council still picks it up and takes it away. I’m not sure it’s my fault if Birmingham Council dumps bottle tops in the sea. Being concerned about social injustice like this is very woke. It will go down in history as one of the EU’s greatest achievements. Pinning bottle tops to bottles. People will look back in a hundred years and wonder why this great civilisation disappeared with such amazing innovation at its core. It’s an outrage, why can’t a person be allowed to just throw a bottle top on the floor anyone, bloody woke How does the bottle top end up in the sea? I’m simply querying what the process is for all these bottle tops to be polluting our oceans. When I go to the seaside I don’t see thousands of people throwing their bottle tops in the sea, so how do they get there from the UK? You are getting annoyed because a bottle top is now attached to the bottle? No the previous poster said that the EU is taking action to stop bottle tops ending up in the sea. I’m simply trying to understand how UK bottle tops make their way into the sea. We aren’t in the EU, but seriously, it’s not just to stop them getting in the sea, it stops littering So people who are inclined to throw bottle tops on the floor draw the line at throwing an empty bottle on the floor? No idea, it’s not something I am overly worried about, but at least people won’t loose there bottle top, " I can’t recall ever losing a bottle top. And if I did I’d just drink the remainder of the contents and move on with my life. But I’m pleased that the EU is concerning itself with such major issues while its economy continues to stagnate and Jews get hounded off its streets. | |||
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"No it hasn’t, woke is a made up phenomenon, the legislation hasn’t changed , tell what you miss most about the pre woke days You have to admire the audacity of someone that claims woke doesn't exist, and then in the same sentence, uses 'woke' as a definition. You think it exists? Tell me what you miss? Apparently Google is a very good place to get information. You should try it "Do you miss anything about the pre woke days | |||
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"Apparently the EU is woke because they think plastic bottle tops getting into the sea is a bad thing. So if I live in Birmingham how does a plastic bottle top end up in the sea. Mostly I put them in the bin and the Council takes them away. If I throw it on the floor the Council still picks it up and takes it away. I’m not sure it’s my fault if Birmingham Council dumps bottle tops in the sea. Being concerned about social injustice like this is very woke. It will go down in history as one of the EU’s greatest achievements. Pinning bottle tops to bottles. People will look back in a hundred years and wonder why this great civilisation disappeared with such amazing innovation at its core. It’s an outrage, why can’t a person be allowed to just throw a bottle top on the floor anyone, bloody woke How does the bottle top end up in the sea? I’m simply querying what the process is for all these bottle tops to be polluting our oceans. When I go to the seaside I don’t see thousands of people throwing their bottle tops in the sea, so how do they get there from the UK? You are getting annoyed because a bottle top is now attached to the bottle? No the previous poster said that the EU is taking action to stop bottle tops ending up in the sea. I’m simply trying to understand how UK bottle tops make their way into the sea. We aren’t in the EU, but seriously, it’s not just to stop them getting in the sea, it stops littering So people who are inclined to throw bottle tops on the floor draw the line at throwing an empty bottle on the floor? No idea, it’s not something I am overly worried about, but at least people won’t loose there bottle top, I can’t recall ever losing a bottle top. And if I did I’d just drink the remainder of the contents and move on with my life. But I’m pleased that the EU is concerning itself with such major issues while its economy continues to stagnate and Jews get hounded off its streets." The eu will be pleased you care, | |||
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"No it hasn’t, woke is a made up phenomenon, the legislation hasn’t changed , tell what you miss most about the pre woke days You have to admire the audacity of someone that claims woke doesn't exist, and then in the same sentence, uses 'woke' as a definition. You think it exists? Tell me what you miss? Apparently Google is a very good place to get information. You should try it
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"Apparently the EU is woke because they think plastic bottle tops getting into the sea is a bad thing. So if I live in Birmingham how does a plastic bottle top end up in the sea. Mostly I put them in the bin and the Council takes them away. If I throw it on the floor the Council still picks it up and takes it away. I’m not sure it’s my fault if Birmingham Council dumps bottle tops in the sea. Being concerned about social injustice like this is very woke. It will go down in history as one of the EU’s greatest achievements. Pinning bottle tops to bottles. People will look back in a hundred years and wonder why this great civilisation disappeared with such amazing innovation at its core. It’s an outrage, why can’t a person be allowed to just throw a bottle top on the floor anyone, bloody woke How does the bottle top end up in the sea? I’m simply querying what the process is for all these bottle tops to be polluting our oceans. When I go to the seaside I don’t see thousands of people throwing their bottle tops in the sea, so how do they get there from the UK? You are getting annoyed because a bottle top is now attached to the bottle? No the previous poster said that the EU is taking action to stop bottle tops ending up in the sea. I’m simply trying to understand how UK bottle tops make their way into the sea. We aren’t in the EU, but seriously, it’s not just to stop them getting in the sea, it stops littering So people who are inclined to throw bottle tops on the floor draw the line at throwing an empty bottle on the floor? No idea, it’s not something I am overly worried about, but at least people won’t loose there bottle top, I can’t recall ever losing a bottle top. And if I did I’d just drink the remainder of the contents and move on with my life. But I’m pleased that the EU is concerning itself with such major issues while its economy continues to stagnate and Jews get hounded off its streets. The eu will be pleased you care, " I’m sure the EU couldn’t care less what its “citizens” think. | |||
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"No it hasn’t, woke is a made up phenomenon, the legislation hasn’t changed , tell what you miss most about the pre woke days You have to admire the audacity of someone that claims woke doesn't exist, and then in the same sentence, uses 'woke' as a definition." There used to be a guy on here a couple of years ago. He was looking for a meet every day but never got one so resorted to posting here instead. He wasn’t capable of debate or critical thinking so he labelled everyone he disagreed with ‘thick as mince’. It’s a shame he had to leave, his words would be quite apt now | |||
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"Apparently the EU is woke because they think plastic bottle tops getting into the sea is a bad thing. So if I live in Birmingham how does a plastic bottle top end up in the sea. Mostly I put them in the bin and the Council takes them away. If I throw it on the floor the Council still picks it up and takes it away. I’m not sure it’s my fault if Birmingham Council dumps bottle tops in the sea. Being concerned about social injustice like this is very woke. It will go down in history as one of the EU’s greatest achievements. Pinning bottle tops to bottles. People will look back in a hundred years and wonder why this great civilisation disappeared with such amazing innovation at its core. It’s an outrage, why can’t a person be allowed to just throw a bottle top on the floor anyone, bloody woke How does the bottle top end up in the sea? I’m simply querying what the process is for all these bottle tops to be polluting our oceans. When I go to the seaside I don’t see thousands of people throwing their bottle tops in the sea, so how do they get there from the UK? You are getting annoyed because a bottle top is now attached to the bottle? No the previous poster said that the EU is taking action to stop bottle tops ending up in the sea. I’m simply trying to understand how UK bottle tops make their way into the sea. We aren’t in the EU, but seriously, it’s not just to stop them getting in the sea, it stops littering So people who are inclined to throw bottle tops on the floor draw the line at throwing an empty bottle on the floor? No idea, it’s not something I am overly worried about, but at least people won’t loose there bottle top, I can’t recall ever losing a bottle top. And if I did I’d just drink the remainder of the contents and move on with my life. But I’m pleased that the EU is concerning itself with such major issues while its economy continues to stagnate and Jews get hounded off its streets. The eu will be pleased you care, I’m sure the EU couldn’t care less what its “citizens” think." You’re not one if its citizens , anyway, this thread is about woke | |||
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"No it hasn’t, woke is a made up phenomenon, the legislation hasn’t changed , tell what you miss most about the pre woke days You have to admire the audacity of someone that claims woke doesn't exist, and then in the same sentence, uses 'woke' as a definition. You think it exists? Tell me what you miss? Apparently Google is a very good place to get information. You should try it
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"No it hasn’t, woke is a made up phenomenon, the legislation hasn’t changed , tell what you miss most about the pre woke days You have to admire the audacity of someone that claims woke doesn't exist, and then in the same sentence, uses 'woke' as a definition. There used to be a guy on here a couple of years ago. He was looking for a meet every day but never got one so resorted to posting here instead. He wasn’t capable of debate or critical thinking so he labelled everyone he disagreed with ‘thick as mince’. It’s a shame he had to leave, his words would be quite apt now" | |||
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"You think it exists? Tell me what you miss?" I miss the days when I didn't have to read a monthly email giving me a new word or phrase that I'm not allowed to use in meetings, along with a detailed explanation of why that word might potentially offend someone that isn't in the meeting. | |||
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"You think it exists? Tell me what you miss? I miss the days when I didn't have to read a monthly email giving me a new word or phrase that I'm not allowed to use in meetings, along with a detailed explanation of why that word might potentially offend someone that isn't in the meeting." Wow, that sounds awful, how do you cope, but seriously, is that it? | |||
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"Apparently the EU is woke because they think plastic bottle tops getting into the sea is a bad thing. So if I live in Birmingham how does a plastic bottle top end up in the sea. Mostly I put them in the bin and the Council takes them away. If I throw it on the floor the Council still picks it up and takes it away. I’m not sure it’s my fault if Birmingham Council dumps bottle tops in the sea. Being concerned about social injustice like this is very woke. It will go down in history as one of the EU’s greatest achievements. Pinning bottle tops to bottles. People will look back in a hundred years and wonder why this great civilisation disappeared with such amazing innovation at its core. It’s an outrage, why can’t a person be allowed to just throw a bottle top on the floor anyone, bloody woke How does the bottle top end up in the sea? I’m simply querying what the process is for all these bottle tops to be polluting our oceans. When I go to the seaside I don’t see thousands of people throwing their bottle tops in the sea, so how do they get there from the UK?" Good to see you're aware of social injustice like this.
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"You think it exists? Tell me what you miss? I miss the days when I didn't have to read a monthly email giving me a new word or phrase that I'm not allowed to use in meetings, along with a detailed explanation of why that word might potentially offend someone that isn't in the meeting." Have a look for the "unsubscribe" on the bottom of these bizarre woke emails you seem to be getting. That'll solve your woke related problems. | |||
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"There used to be a guy on here a couple of years ago. He was looking for a meet every day but never got one so resorted to posting here instead. He wasn’t capable of debate or critical thinking so he labelled everyone he disagreed with ‘thick as mince’." Oh yes, I remember that bloke. I wonder what happened to him. | |||
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"You think it exists? Tell me what you miss? I miss the days when I didn't have to read a monthly email giving me a new word or phrase that I'm not allowed to use in meetings, along with a detailed explanation of why that word might potentially offend someone that isn't in the meeting. Have a look for the "unsubscribe" on the bottom of these bizarre woke emails you seem to be getting. That'll solve your woke related problems. " Tbf, it sounds like a terrible experience, I wonder what these words are? | |||
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"There used to be a guy on here a couple of years ago. He was looking for a meet every day but never got one so resorted to posting here instead. He wasn’t capable of debate or critical thinking so he labelled everyone he disagreed with ‘thick as mince’. Oh yes, I remember that bloke. I wonder what happened to him." Very woke of you guys to pick up on someone from years ago using derogatory language. Good work chaps. | |||
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"You think it exists? Tell me what you miss?" "I miss the days when I didn't have to read a monthly email giving me a new word or phrase that I'm not allowed to use in meetings, along with a detailed explanation of why that word might potentially offend someone that isn't in the meeting." "Wow, that sounds awful, how do you cope, but seriously, is that it? " I didn't realise you wanted a comprehensive list. It might take me a while. | |||
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"There used to be a guy on here a couple of years ago. He was looking for a meet every day but never got one so resorted to posting here instead. He wasn’t capable of debate or critical thinking so he labelled everyone he disagreed with ‘thick as mince’. Oh yes, I remember that bloke. I wonder what happened to him. Very woke of you guys to pick up on someone from years ago using derogatory language. Good work chaps. "I was thinking the same, they rightly had him removed for inappropriate language, very woke of them, | |||
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"You think it exists? Tell me what you miss? I miss the days when I didn't have to read a monthly email giving me a new word or phrase that I'm not allowed to use in meetings, along with a detailed explanation of why that word might potentially offend someone that isn't in the meeting. Wow, that sounds awful, how do you cope, but seriously, is that it? I didn't realise you wanted a comprehensive list. It might take me a while." Only want 3 , but no problems if it’s too much trouble | |||
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"You think it exists? Tell me what you miss?" "I miss the days when I didn't have to read a monthly email giving me a new word or phrase that I'm not allowed to use in meetings, along with a detailed explanation of why that word might potentially offend someone that isn't in the meeting." "Have a look for the "unsubscribe" on the bottom of these bizarre woke emails you seem to be getting. That'll solve your woke related problems." They come from the company's Inclusivity Team, so we aren't allowed to unsubscribe, and we're not allowed to auto filter them to the bin. Just like the monthly Mental Health Wellbeing Calendar that they keep sending out. | |||
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"I find it fascinating how corporate woke policies and advertising have influenced the world to such an extent, how those policies have helped drive divisions and how the younger generations are now less likely to be influenced by woke corporate advertising. As per the title of the thread, I was reading how the younger generations such as Gen Z are becoming more likely to see woke agendas as subversive and not at all inclusive. This rejection of woke in its modern day form, would not surprise me, the younger generations have always had a critical eye on what has gone before, and pushing for change going forward. People call it a conspiracy theory. But there is some truth to it - Corporates started pushing for woke ideology ever since the Occupy Wall Street protests happened. It was their attempt to push the left away from socialist ideals towards identity politics. They can pretend like they care about the society just by adding a pride flag to their logo or by casting "diverse" people in their ads..." And proclaiming inclusivity in their job applications. Wanting disabled people then try to get rid of you.......... | |||
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"You think it exists? Tell me what you miss? I miss the days when I didn't have to read a monthly email giving me a new word or phrase that I'm not allowed to use in meetings, along with a detailed explanation of why that word might potentially offend someone that isn't in the meeting. Have a look for the "unsubscribe" on the bottom of these bizarre woke emails you seem to be getting. That'll solve your woke related problems. They come from the company's Inclusivity Team, so we aren't allowed to unsubscribe, and we're not allowed to auto filter them to the bin. Just like the monthly Mental Health Wellbeing Calendar that they keep sending out." And dj they test you , to make sure you have read them? You could just open and not read | |||
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"You think it exists? Tell me what you miss? I miss the days when I didn't have to read a monthly email giving me a new word or phrase that I'm not allowed to use in meetings, along with a detailed explanation of why that word might potentially offend someone that isn't in the meeting. Have a look for the "unsubscribe" on the bottom of these bizarre woke emails you seem to be getting. That'll solve your woke related problems. They come from the company's Inclusivity Team, so we aren't allowed to unsubscribe, and we're not allowed to auto filter them to the bin. Just like the monthly Mental Health Wellbeing Calendar that they keep sending out." Fair enough. Are these emails (and other "woke" related issues) more of a problem to society than social injustice and racism? | |||
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"Apparently the EU is woke because they think plastic bottle tops getting into the sea is a bad thing. Bastards, and builders are woke because they follow the latest health and safety guidelines " Errrrm nope, that just prevents the like of Grenfall. | |||
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"Apparently the EU is woke because they think plastic bottle tops getting into the sea is a bad thing. Bastards, and builders are woke because they follow the latest health and safety guidelines Errrrm nope, that than prevents the like of Grenfall." I know, I was being sarcastic  | |||
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"You think it exists? Tell me what you miss? I miss the days when I didn't have to read a monthly email giving me a new word or phrase that I'm not allowed to use in meetings, along with a detailed explanation of why that word might potentially offend someone that isn't in the meeting. Have a look for the "unsubscribe" on the bottom of these bizarre woke emails you seem to be getting. That'll solve your woke related problems. They come from the company's Inclusivity Team, so we aren't allowed to unsubscribe, and we're not allowed to auto filter them to the bin. Just like the monthly Mental Health Wellbeing Calendar that they keep sending out." Final question. Why do you want people to use offensive language during meetings? I'd guess that staying on topic at work rather than insulting colleagues, is probably a more professional approach. | |||
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"No it hasn’t, woke is a made up phenomenon, the legislation hasn’t changed , tell what you miss most about the pre woke days You have to admire the audacity of someone that claims woke doesn't exist, and then in the same sentence, uses 'woke' as a definition. There used to be a guy on here a couple of years ago. He was looking for a meet every day but never got one so resorted to posting here instead. He wasn’t capable of debate or critical thinking so he labelled everyone he disagreed with ‘thick as mince’. It’s a shame he had to leave, his words would be quite apt now" Oooooooh sly | |||
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"Are these emails (and other "woke" related issues) more of a problem to society than social injustice and racism?" It's difficult to say. Racism still exists, but it's already illegal, and socially unacceptable. We really don't need to be told that it's not OK. I don't follow football, so I never see any racism. Continued emails about it are just wasting time and resources, and feeding into a resentment that is building up in society. Social injustice is a far more complicated issue, which very much depends on your political standpoint (not party politics). | |||
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"Final question. Why do you want people to use offensive language during meetings?" I don't. I wanted to use the phrase "OK guys, let's get on with it". But a recent email tells me that I'm not allowed to use "guys" because women might feel excluded. My team consists of 3 straight white males. | |||
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"Are these emails (and other "woke" related issues) more of a problem to society than social injustice and racism? It's difficult to say. Racism still exists, but it's already illegal, and socially unacceptable. We really don't need to be told that it's not OK. I don't follow football, so I never see any racism. Continued emails about it are just wasting time and resources, and feeding into a resentment that is building up..." Possibly just fulfilling a requirement - the need to be seen doing something. | |||
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"Are these emails (and other "woke" related issues) more of a problem to society than social injustice and racism? It's difficult to say. Racism still exists, but it's already illegal, and socially unacceptable. We really don't need to be told that it's not OK. I don't follow football, so I never see any racism. Continued emails about it are just wasting time and resources, and feeding into a resentment that is building up in society. Social injustice is a far more complicated issue, which very much depends on your political standpoint (not party politics)." So to summarise, people who believe in woke are upset because that get a couple of emails? Maybe some people are feeling resentment in society seems a bit of a over reaction | |||
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"Final question. Why do you want people to use offensive language during meetings? I don't. I wanted to use the phrase "OK guys, let's get on with it". But a recent email tells me that I'm not allowed to use "guys" because women might feel excluded. My team consists of 3 straight white males." Just drop the word Guys, and say , Ok, let’s get on with it, saves time as well | |||
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"Are these emails (and other "woke" related issues) more of a problem to society than social injustice and racism? It's difficult to say." Interesting. For me an inconvenient email is definitely not as bad as actual racism. " Racism still exists, but it's already illegal, " You can be racist. It's not illegal. " and socially unacceptable. " In some parts of society. But not all " We really don't need to be told that it's not OK. " Some seem to though, there's still plenty of racists out there. " I don't follow football, so I never see any racism. Continued emails about it are just wasting time and resources, and feeding into a resentment that is building up in society. Social injustice is a far more complicated issue, which very much depends on your political standpoint (not party politics)." Agree with these points. But again, small price to pay to deal with bigotry and racism. | |||
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"Final question. Why do you want people to use offensive language during meetings? I don't. I wanted to use the phrase "OK guys, let's get on with it". But a recent email tells me that I'm not allowed to use "guys" because women might feel excluded. My team consists of 3 straight white males." This is clearly ridiculous, but isn't common place, isn't woke. | |||
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"Final question. Why do you want people to use offensive language during meetings?" "I don't. I wanted to use the phrase "OK guys, let's get on with it". But a recent email tells me that I'm not allowed to use "guys" because women might feel excluded. My team consists of 3 straight white males." "Just drop the word Guys, and say , Ok, let’s get on with it, saves time as well" You mean that I should just drop my 50 year old speech patterns, in order to avoid the small possibility of excluding a person that isn't present? | |||
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"Racism still exists, but it's already illegal" "You can be racist. It's not illegal." Good point. I meant racist activities, or the displaying of racism. | |||
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"Final question. Why do you want people to use offensive language during meetings?" "I don't. I wanted to use the phrase "OK guys, let's get on with it". But a recent email tells me that I'm not allowed to use "guys" because women might feel excluded. My team consists of 3 straight white males." "This is clearly ridiculous, but isn't common place, isn't woke." And that's the problem with the word 'woke', it means different things to different people. | |||
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"Final question. Why do you want people to use offensive language during meetings? I don't. I wanted to use the phrase "OK guys, let's get on with it". But a recent email tells me that I'm not allowed to use "guys" because women might feel excluded. My team consists of 3 straight white males. Just drop the word Guys, and say , Ok, let’s get on with it, saves time as well You mean that I should just drop my 50 year old speech patterns, in order to avoid the small possibility of excluding a person that isn't present?" Twats Use the word twats so fish don't feel excluded 😂 Seriously though, "guys" has evolved to informally represent both (all) genders. Possibly came from guys and dolls with the dropping of "and dolls" like cockney slang format, eg "going up the apples". | |||
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"Racism still exists, but it's already illegal You can be racist. It's not illegal. Good point. I meant racist activities, or the displaying of racism." | |||
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"Final question. Why do you want people to use offensive language during meetings? I don't. I wanted to use the phrase "OK guys, let's get on with it". But a recent email tells me that I'm not allowed to use "guys" because women might feel excluded. My team consists of 3 straight white males. This is clearly ridiculous, but isn't common place, isn't woke. And that's the problem with the word 'woke', it means different things to different people. " I agree. In my opinion, people who want to use Woke to mean something other than the dictionary definition, would probably be better of using the rest of the English language to articulate what they mean. | |||
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"Final question. Why do you want people to use offensive language during meetings? I don't. I wanted to use the phrase "OK guys, let's get on with it". But a recent email tells me that I'm not allowed to use "guys" because women might feel excluded. My team consists of 3 straight white males. Just drop the word Guys, and say , Ok, let’s get on with it, saves time as well You mean that I should just drop my 50 year old speech patterns, in order to avoid the small possibility of excluding a person that isn't present?" Yeah, it’s no big deal, anyway, ok guys makes you sound like a teenage YouTuber | |||
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"I find it fascinating how corporate woke policies and advertising have influenced the world to such an extent, how those policies have helped drive divisions and how the younger generations are now less likely to be influenced by woke corporate advertising. As per the title of the thread, I was reading how the younger generations such as Gen Z are becoming more likely to see woke agendas as subversive and not at all inclusive. This rejection of woke in its modern day form, would not surprise me, the younger generations have always had a critical eye on what has gone before, and pushing for change going forward. People call it a conspiracy theory. But there is some truth to it - Corporates started pushing for woke ideology ever since the Occupy Wall Street protests happened. It was their attempt to push the left away from socialist ideals towards identity politics. They can pretend like they care about the society just by adding a pride flag to their logo or by casting "diverse" people in their ads. The woke ideology didn't have a solid foundation and was full of contradictions. It was only a matter of time before the whole thing crumbled. Good to see it happening at last. Who is behind this Woke ideology ? Is it a person? A group? A party? An evil villain with a cat on his lap? It need not be a single personto a group or a party or an evil villain with a cat on his lap. Most social trends just spread. From where? Has to start somewhere? And what is the woke ideology? I see woke being blamed for a lot of things, it can’t be that simple " Who started the ice bucket challenge? Who started wearing crocs as a fashion statement? Social trends like these don't usually have a clear source | |||
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"I find it fascinating how corporate woke policies and advertising have influenced the world to such an extent, how those policies have helped drive divisions and how the younger generations are now less likely to be influenced by woke corporate advertising. As per the title of the thread, I was reading how the younger generations such as Gen Z are becoming more likely to see woke agendas as subversive and not at all inclusive. This rejection of woke in its modern day form, would not surprise me, the younger generations have always had a critical eye on what has gone before, and pushing for change going forward. People call it a conspiracy theory. But there is some truth to it - Corporates started pushing for woke ideology ever since the Occupy Wall Street protests happened. It was their attempt to push the left away from socialist ideals towards identity politics. They can pretend like they care about the society just by adding a pride flag to their logo or by casting "diverse" people in their ads. The woke ideology didn't have a solid foundation and was full of contradictions. It was only a matter of time before the whole thing crumbled. Good to see it happening at last. Who is behind this Woke ideology ? Is it a person? A group? A party? An evil villain with a cat on his lap? It need not be a single personto a group or a party or an evil villain with a cat on his lap. Most social trends just spread. From where? Has to start somewhere? And what is the woke ideology? I see woke being blamed for a lot of things, it can’t be that simple Who started the ice bucket challenge? Who started wearing crocs as a fashion statement? Social trends like these don't usually have a clear source " The ice bucket challenge lasted a month, but I get your point , if society started this then society must have wanted it | |||
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"Kemi Badenoch is certainly not a wokester. " Definitely not, and neither were the last Tory party , not sure it will help them win the next GE | |||
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"I find it fascinating how corporate woke policies and advertising have influenced the world to such an extent, how those policies have helped drive divisions and how the younger generations are now less likely to be influenced by woke corporate advertising. As per the title of the thread, I was reading how the younger generations such as Gen Z are becoming more likely to see woke agendas as subversive and not at all inclusive. This rejection of woke in its modern day form, would not surprise me, the younger generations have always had a critical eye on what has gone before, and pushing for change going forward. People call it a conspiracy theory. But there is some truth to it - Corporates started pushing for woke ideology ever since the Occupy Wall Street protests happened. It was their attempt to push the left away from socialist ideals towards identity politics. They can pretend like they care about the society just by adding a pride flag to their logo or by casting "diverse" people in their ads. The woke ideology didn't have a solid foundation and was full of contradictions. It was only a matter of time before the whole thing crumbled. Good to see it happening at last. Who is behind this Woke ideology ? Is it a person? A group? A party? An evil villain with a cat on his lap? It need not be a single personto a group or a party or an evil villain with a cat on his lap. Most social trends just spread. From where? Has to start somewhere? And what is the woke ideology? I see woke being blamed for a lot of things, it can’t be that simple Who started the ice bucket challenge? Who started wearing crocs as a fashion statement? Social trends like these don't usually have a clear source The ice bucket challenge lasted a month, but I get your point , if society started this then society must have wanted it " And if corporates started it? | |||
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"Some examples of woke corporate activities: 1) They forced everyone to watch some Black History related documentary during the George Floyd riots. Even Indian people working in India. 2) They are pushing people to avoid using the term master/sl@ve architecture to describe what's essentially a master/sl@ve architecture in distributed systems 3) More censorship about using words like blacklist, whitelist, war rooms(too traumatic for some people), code lockdown(again too traumatic for some people) 4) "Diversity hiring" that is not only unfair but also is insulting to the people who they call diversity hires 5) Wasting money with meaningless Pride slogans and flags across the office. Not to mention the random employees changing their pronouns one fine day and throwing tantrums when people didn't adjust to that immediately. I can go on and on." They didn’t force me to watch any documentary. I only see pride for a couple of weeks a year, diversity hiring is very rare, but granted it causes issues. I can’t imagine many people have thrown tantrums due to incorrect pronouns | |||
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"I find it fascinating how corporate woke policies and advertising have influenced the world to such an extent, how those policies have helped drive divisions and how the younger generations are now less likely to be influenced by woke corporate advertising. As per the title of the thread, I was reading how the younger generations such as Gen Z are becoming more likely to see woke agendas as subversive and not at all inclusive. This rejection of woke in its modern day form, would not surprise me, the younger generations have always had a critical eye on what has gone before, and pushing for change going forward. People call it a conspiracy theory. But there is some truth to it - Corporates started pushing for woke ideology ever since the Occupy Wall Street protests happened. It was their attempt to push the left away from socialist ideals towards identity politics. They can pretend like they care about the society just by adding a pride flag to their logo or by casting "diverse" people in their ads. The woke ideology didn't have a solid foundation and was full of contradictions. It was only a matter of time before the whole thing crumbled. Good to see it happening at last. Who is behind this Woke ideology ? Is it a person? A group? A party? An evil villain with a cat on his lap? It need not be a single personto a group or a party or an evil villain with a cat on his lap. Most social trends just spread. From where? Has to start somewhere? And what is the woke ideology? I see woke being blamed for a lot of things, it can’t be that simple Who started the ice bucket challenge? Who started wearing crocs as a fashion statement? Social trends like these don't usually have a clear source The ice bucket challenge lasted a month, but I get your point , if society started this then society must have wanted it And if corporates started it?" Then they are following societal needs, it’s all about the profits | |||
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"I find it fascinating how corporate woke policies and advertising have influenced the world to such an extent, how those policies have helped drive divisions and how the younger generations are now less likely to be influenced by woke corporate advertising. As per the title of the thread, I was reading how the younger generations such as Gen Z are becoming more likely to see woke agendas as subversive and not at all inclusive. This rejection of woke in its modern day form, would not surprise me, the younger generations have always had a critical eye on what has gone before, and pushing for change going forward. People call it a conspiracy theory. But there is some truth to it - Corporates started pushing for woke ideology ever since the Occupy Wall Street protests happened. It was their attempt to push the left away from socialist ideals towards identity politics. They can pretend like they care about the society just by adding a pride flag to their logo or by casting "diverse" people in their ads. The woke ideology didn't have a solid foundation and was full of contradictions. It was only a matter of time before the whole thing crumbled. Good to see it happening at last. Who is behind this Woke ideology ? Is it a person? A group? A party? An evil villain with a cat on his lap? It need not be a single personto a group or a party or an evil villain with a cat on his lap. Most social trends just spread. From where? Has to start somewhere? And what is the woke ideology? I see woke being blamed for a lot of things, it can’t be that simple Who started the ice bucket challenge? Who started wearing crocs as a fashion statement? Social trends like these don't usually have a clear source The ice bucket challenge lasted a month, but I get your point , if society started this then society must have wanted it And if corporates started it? Then they are following societal needs, it’s all about the profits " It happened because they found it as an easy way to pretend like they are doing "social good" without having to spend too much money. And the left swallowed it just the way the corporates wanted them to. | |||
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"Some examples of woke corporate activities: 1) They forced everyone to watch some Black History related documentary during the George Floyd riots. Even Indian people working in India. 2) They are pushing people to avoid using the term master/sl@ve architecture to describe what's essentially a master/sl@ve architecture in distributed systems 3) More censorship about using words like blacklist, whitelist, war rooms(too traumatic for some people), code lockdown(again too traumatic for some people) 4) "Diversity hiring" that is not only unfair but also is insulting to the people who they call diversity hires 5) Wasting money with meaningless Pride slogans and flags across the office. Not to mention the random employees changing their pronouns one fine day and throwing tantrums when people didn't adjust to that immediately. I can go on and on. They didn’t force me to watch any documentary. I only see pride for a couple of weeks a year, diversity hiring is very rare, but granted it causes issues. I can’t imagine many people have thrown tantrums due to incorrect pronouns " It happened in my company. We were asked to watch a documentary and have a group discussion about how we need to be sensitive about discussion around black people. It made zero sense for people in India to go through this bullshit. Yet they were forced to. | |||
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"I find it fascinating how corporate woke policies and advertising have influenced the world to such an extent, how those policies have helped drive divisions and how the younger generations are now less likely to be influenced by woke corporate advertising. As per the title of the thread, I was reading how the younger generations such as Gen Z are becoming more likely to see woke agendas as subversive and not at all inclusive. This rejection of woke in its modern day form, would not surprise me, the younger generations have always had a critical eye on what has gone before, and pushing for change going forward. People call it a conspiracy theory. But there is some truth to it - Corporates started pushing for woke ideology ever since the Occupy Wall Street protests happened. It was their attempt to push the left away from socialist ideals towards identity politics. They can pretend like they care about the society just by adding a pride flag to their logo or by casting "diverse" people in their ads. The woke ideology didn't have a solid foundation and was full of contradictions. It was only a matter of time before the whole thing crumbled. Good to see it happening at last. Who is behind this Woke ideology ? Is it a person? A group? A party? An evil villain with a cat on his lap? It need not be a single personto a group or a party or an evil villain with a cat on his lap. Most social trends just spread. From where? Has to start somewhere? And what is the woke ideology? I see woke being blamed for a lot of things, it can’t be that simple Who started the ice bucket challenge? Who started wearing crocs as a fashion statement? Social trends like these don't usually have a clear source The ice bucket challenge lasted a month, but I get your point , if society started this then society must have wanted it And if corporates started it? Then they are following societal needs, it’s all about the profits It happened because they found it as an easy way to pretend like they are doing "social good" without having to spend too much money. And the left swallowed it just the way the corporates wanted them to." Who are the ‘left’ ? Seems like such a vague statement | |||
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"Some examples of woke corporate activities: 1) They forced everyone to watch some Black History related documentary during the George Floyd riots. Even Indian people working in India. 2) They are pushing people to avoid using the term master/sl@ve architecture to describe what's essentially a master/sl@ve architecture in distributed systems 3) More censorship about using words like blacklist, whitelist, war rooms(too traumatic for some people), code lockdown(again too traumatic for some people) 4) "Diversity hiring" that is not only unfair but also is insulting to the people who they call diversity hires 5) Wasting money with meaningless Pride slogans and flags across the office. Not to mention the random employees changing their pronouns one fine day and throwing tantrums when people didn't adjust to that immediately. I can go on and on. They didn’t force me to watch any documentary. I only see pride for a couple of weeks a year, diversity hiring is very rare, but granted it causes issues. I can’t imagine many people have thrown tantrums due to incorrect pronouns It happened in my company. We were asked to watch a documentary and have a group discussion about how we need to be sensitive about discussion around black people. It made zero sense for people in India to go through this bullshit. Yet they were forced to." I wasn’t forced to watch it, | |||
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"Some examples of woke corporate activities: 1) They forced everyone to watch some Black History related documentary during the George Floyd riots. Even Indian people working in India. 2) They are pushing people to avoid using the term master/sl@ve architecture to describe what's essentially a master/sl@ve architecture in distributed systems 3) More censorship about using words like blacklist, whitelist, war rooms(too traumatic for some people), code lockdown(again too traumatic for some people) 4) "Diversity hiring" that is not only unfair but also is insulting to the people who they call diversity hires 5) Wasting money with meaningless Pride slogans and flags across the office. Not to mention the random employees changing their pronouns one fine day and throwing tantrums when people didn't adjust to that immediately. I can go on and on. They didn’t force me to watch any documentary. I only see pride for a couple of weeks a year, diversity hiring is very rare, but granted it causes issues. I can’t imagine many people have thrown tantrums due to incorrect pronouns It happened in my company. We were asked to watch a documentary and have a group discussion about how we need to be sensitive about discussion around black people. It made zero sense for people in India to go through this bullshit. Yet they were forced to." There's a lot of money in that sort of nonsense. | |||
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"Some examples of woke corporate activities: 1) They forced everyone to watch some Black History related documentary during the George Floyd riots. Even Indian people working in India. 2) They are pushing people to avoid using the term master/sl@ve architecture to describe what's essentially a master/sl@ve architecture in distributed systems 3) More censorship about using words like blacklist, whitelist, war rooms(too traumatic for some people), code lockdown(again too traumatic for some people) 4) "Diversity hiring" that is not only unfair but also is insulting to the people who they call diversity hires 5) Wasting money with meaningless Pride slogans and flags across the office. Not to mention the random employees changing their pronouns one fine day and throwing tantrums when people didn't adjust to that immediately. I can go on and on. They didn’t force me to watch any documentary. I only see pride for a couple of weeks a year, diversity hiring is very rare, but granted it causes issues. I can’t imagine many people have thrown tantrums due to incorrect pronouns It happened in my company. We were asked to watch a documentary and have a group discussion about how we need to be sensitive about discussion around black people. It made zero sense for people in India to go through this bullshit. Yet they were forced to. There's a lot of money in that sort of nonsense." There is money in all sorts, have you seen how much religions make | |||
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"Some examples of woke corporate activities: 1) They forced everyone to watch some Black History related documentary during the George Floyd riots. Even Indian people working in India. 2) They are pushing people to avoid using the term master/sl@ve architecture to describe what's essentially a master/sl@ve architecture in distributed systems 3) More censorship about using words like blacklist, whitelist, war rooms(too traumatic for some people), code lockdown(again too traumatic for some people) 4) "Diversity hiring" that is not only unfair but also is insulting to the people who they call diversity hires 5) Wasting money with meaningless Pride slogans and flags across the office. Not to mention the random employees changing their pronouns one fine day and throwing tantrums when people didn't adjust to that immediately. I can go on and on. They didn’t force me to watch any documentary. I only see pride for a couple of weeks a year, diversity hiring is very rare, but granted it causes issues. I can’t imagine many people have thrown tantrums due to incorrect pronouns It happened in my company. We were asked to watch a documentary and have a group discussion about how we need to be sensitive about discussion around black people. It made zero sense for people in India to go through this bullshit. Yet they were forced to. I wasn’t forced to watch it, " And many other companies did. This is the kind of woke corporate nonsense people are complaining about. Just because it didn't happen to you, it doesn't mean that it didn't happen at all. | |||
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"Some examples of woke corporate activities: 1) They forced everyone to watch some Black History related documentary during the George Floyd riots. Even Indian people working in India. 2) They are pushing people to avoid using the term master/sl@ve architecture to describe what's essentially a master/sl@ve architecture in distributed systems 3) More censorship about using words like blacklist, whitelist, war rooms(too traumatic for some people), code lockdown(again too traumatic for some people) 4) "Diversity hiring" that is not only unfair but also is insulting to the people who they call diversity hires 5) Wasting money with meaningless Pride slogans and flags across the office. Not to mention the random employees changing their pronouns one fine day and throwing tantrums when people didn't adjust to that immediately. I can go on and on. They didn’t force me to watch any documentary. I only see pride for a couple of weeks a year, diversity hiring is very rare, but granted it causes issues. I can’t imagine many people have thrown tantrums due to incorrect pronouns It happened in my company. We were asked to watch a documentary and have a group discussion about how we need to be sensitive about discussion around black people. It made zero sense for people in India to go through this bullshit. Yet they were forced to. I wasn’t forced to watch it, And many other companies did. This is the kind of woke corporate nonsense people are complaining about. Just because it didn't happen to you, it doesn't mean that it didn't happen at all." Never said it didn’t, you keep calling it woke though, to me it’s just an over reaction, just like the ridiculous over reaction when the queen and princess Diana died, was that woke? Nobody was forcing them to do these things , you keep talking about the left but you can’t define them ? We haven’t had a left leaning government for decades | |||
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"I completely forgot to mention the ultimate wokester, and blackface aficionado, Justin Trudeau ! Due for an historical defeat in Canada's next election. I read that about 35% of under 25s are supporting the conservatives there now. " Do you have an example of Trudeau being woke? If he's the "ultimate wokester" should be pretty easy to give a solid example. | |||
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"I completely forgot to mention the ultimate wokester, and blackface aficionado, Justin Trudeau ! Due for an historical defeat in Canada's next election. I read that about 35% of under 25s are supporting the conservatives there now. Do you have an example of Trudeau being woke? If he's the "ultimate wokester" should be pretty easy to give a solid example." The ultimate wokestar? Sounds like a really nice caring, intelligent and thoughtful wrestler | |||
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"Some examples of woke corporate activities: 1) They forced everyone to watch some Black History related documentary during the George Floyd riots. Even Indian people working in India. 2) They are pushing people to avoid using the term master/sl@ve architecture to describe what's essentially a master/sl@ve architecture in distributed systems 3) More censorship about using words like blacklist, whitelist, war rooms(too traumatic for some people), code lockdown(again too traumatic for some people) 4) "Diversity hiring" that is not only unfair but also is insulting to the people who they call diversity hires 5) Wasting money with meaningless Pride slogans and flags across the office. Not to mention the random employees changing their pronouns one fine day and throwing tantrums when people didn't adjust to that immediately. I can go on and on. They didn’t force me to watch any documentary. I only see pride for a couple of weeks a year, diversity hiring is very rare, but granted it causes issues. I can’t imagine many people have thrown tantrums due to incorrect pronouns It happened in my company. We were asked to watch a documentary and have a group discussion about how we need to be sensitive about discussion around black people. It made zero sense for people in India to go through this bullshit. Yet they were forced to. I wasn’t forced to watch it, And many other companies did. This is the kind of woke corporate nonsense people are complaining about. Just because it didn't happen to you, it doesn't mean that it didn't happen at all. Never said it didn’t, you keep calling it woke though, to me it’s just an over reaction, just like the ridiculous over reaction when the queen and princess Diana died, was that woke? Nobody was forcing them to do these things , you keep talking about the left but you can’t define them ? We haven’t had a left leaning government for decades " He makes a good point actually. Lots of people are way more outraged by a pride flag somewhere in an office than they are about actual homophobia. Why people are like that, is the interesting point. Personally I think it's related to misinformation from elements of the media. But who really knows. | |||
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"I completely forgot to mention the ultimate wokester, and blackface aficionado, Justin Trudeau ! Due for an historical defeat in Canada's next election. I read that about 35% of under 25s are supporting the conservatives there now. Do you have an example of Trudeau being woke? If he's the "ultimate wokester" should be pretty easy to give a solid example." It is pretty easy, which is why you could find the answer on Google in about two seconds. | |||
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"Some examples of woke corporate activities: 1) They forced everyone to watch some Black History related documentary during the George Floyd riots. Even Indian people working in India. 2) They are pushing people to avoid using the term master/sl@ve architecture to describe what's essentially a master/sl@ve architecture in distributed systems 3) More censorship about using words like blacklist, whitelist, war rooms(too traumatic for some people), code lockdown(again too traumatic for some people) 4) "Diversity hiring" that is not only unfair but also is insulting to the people who they call diversity hires 5) Wasting money with meaningless Pride slogans and flags across the office. Not to mention the random employees changing their pronouns one fine day and throwing tantrums when people didn't adjust to that immediately. I can go on and on. They didn’t force me to watch any documentary. I only see pride for a couple of weeks a year, diversity hiring is very rare, but granted it causes issues. I can’t imagine many people have thrown tantrums due to incorrect pronouns " The nhs actively promotes diversity hiring in their job ads! Something like "we particularly welcome applications from lgbtq+, same and disabled". | |||
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"I completely forgot to mention the ultimate wokester, and blackface aficionado, Justin Trudeau ! Due for an historical defeat in Canada's next election. I read that about 35% of under 25s are supporting the conservatives there now. Do you have an example of Trudeau being woke? If he's the "ultimate wokester" should be pretty easy to give a solid example. It is pretty easy, which is why you could find the answer on Google in about two seconds. " You have to Google to find an example of the ultimate wokester being woke? He can't be that woke after all then. | |||
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"Some examples of woke corporate activities: 1) They forced everyone to watch some Black History related documentary during the George Floyd riots. Even Indian people working in India. 2) They are pushing people to avoid using the term master/sl@ve architecture to describe what's essentially a master/sl@ve architecture in distributed systems 3) More censorship about using words like blacklist, whitelist, war rooms(too traumatic for some people), code lockdown(again too traumatic for some people) 4) "Diversity hiring" that is not only unfair but also is insulting to the people who they call diversity hires 5) Wasting money with meaningless Pride slogans and flags across the office. Not to mention the random employees changing their pronouns one fine day and throwing tantrums when people didn't adjust to that immediately. I can go on and on. They didn’t force me to watch any documentary. I only see pride for a couple of weeks a year, diversity hiring is very rare, but granted it causes issues. I can’t imagine many people have thrown tantrums due to incorrect pronouns The nhs actively promotes diversity hiring in their job ads! Something like "we particularly welcome applications from lgbtq+, same and disabled"." That's far too woke on here. | |||
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"I completely forgot to mention the ultimate wokester, and blackface aficionado, Justin Trudeau ! Due for an historical defeat in Canada's next election. I read that about 35% of under 25s are supporting the conservatives there now. Do you have an example of Trudeau being woke? If he's the "ultimate wokester" should be pretty easy to give a solid example. It is pretty easy, which is why you could find the answer on Google in about two seconds. " Does he wear a special Wokestar costume | |||
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"Some examples of woke corporate activities: 1) They forced everyone to watch some Black History related documentary during the George Floyd riots. Even Indian people working in India. 2) They are pushing people to avoid using the term master/sl@ve architecture to describe what's essentially a master/sl@ve architecture in distributed systems 3) More censorship about using words like blacklist, whitelist, war rooms(too traumatic for some people), code lockdown(again too traumatic for some people) 4) "Diversity hiring" that is not only unfair but also is insulting to the people who they call diversity hires 5) Wasting money with meaningless Pride slogans and flags across the office. Not to mention the random employees changing their pronouns one fine day and throwing tantrums when people didn't adjust to that immediately. I can go on and on. They didn’t force me to watch any documentary. I only see pride for a couple of weeks a year, diversity hiring is very rare, but granted it causes issues. I can’t imagine many people have thrown tantrums due to incorrect pronouns It happened in my company. We were asked to watch a documentary and have a group discussion about how we need to be sensitive about discussion around black people. It made zero sense for people in India to go through this bullshit. Yet they were forced to." Why? Ethnic minority groups can be racist against other minority groups. | |||
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