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I love cars ! I love to drive ! I love powerful cars! I especially love my BMW !
But the new car tax hike planned for next year may have me giving up my pride and joy!
I pay £270 a year for road tax but labour has plans on increasing it to £540!
Current first year car tax rates compared to expected 2025-26 hikes
0g/km - £0 will rise to £10
1 to 50g/km - £10 will rise to £110
51 to 75g/km - £30 will rise to £130
76 to 90g/km - £135 will rise to £270
91 to 100g/km - £175 will rise to £350
101 to 110g/km - £195 will rise to £390
111 to 130g/km - £220 will rise to £440
131 to 150g/km - £270 will rise to £540
151 to 170g/km - £680 will rise to £1,360
171 to 190g/km - £1,095 will rise to £2,190
191 to 225g/km - £1,650 will rise to £3,300
226 to 255g/km - £2,340 will rise to £4,680
Over 255g/km - £2,745 will rise to £5,490
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"I love cars ! I love to drive ! I love powerful cars! I especially love my BMW !
But the new car tax hike planned for next year may have me giving up my pride and joy!
I pay £270 a year for road tax but labour has plans on increasing it to £540!
Current first year car tax rates compared to expected 2025-26 hikes
0g/km - £0 will rise to £10
1 to 50g/km - £10 will rise to £110
51 to 75g/km - £30 will rise to £130
76 to 90g/km - £135 will rise to £270
91 to 100g/km - £175 will rise to £350
101 to 110g/km - £195 will rise to £390
111 to 130g/km - £220 will rise to £440
131 to 150g/km - £270 will rise to £540
151 to 170g/km - £680 will rise to £1,360
171 to 190g/km - £1,095 will rise to £2,190
191 to 225g/km - £1,650 will rise to £3,300
226 to 255g/km - £2,340 will rise to £4,680
Over 255g/km - £2,745 will rise to £5,490
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"I love cars ! I love to drive ! I love powerful cars! I especially love my BMW !
But the new car tax hike planned for next year may have me giving up my pride and joy!
I pay £270 a year for road tax but labour has plans on increasing it to £540!
Current first year car tax rates compared to expected 2025-26 hikes
0g/km - £0 will rise to £10
1 to 50g/km - £10 will rise to £110
51 to 75g/km - £30 will rise to £130
76 to 90g/km - £135 will rise to £270
91 to 100g/km - £175 will rise to £350
101 to 110g/km - £195 will rise to £390
111 to 130g/km - £220 will rise to £440
131 to 150g/km - £270 will rise to £540
151 to 170g/km - £680 will rise to £1,360
171 to 190g/km - £1,095 will rise to £2,190
191 to 225g/km - £1,650 will rise to £3,300
226 to 255g/km - £2,340 will rise to £4,680
Over 255g/km - £2,745 will rise to £5,490
Aren’t these the 1st year rates?"
The more you pay the better for the weather not being bad....according to the liebour party. I'll bet that there's absolutely zero opposition to these proposals. |
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"I love cars ! I love to drive ! I love powerful cars! I especially love my BMW !
But the new car tax hike planned for next year may have me giving up my pride and joy!
I pay £270 a year for road tax but labour has plans on increasing it to £540!
Current first year car tax rates compared to expected 2025-26 hikes
0g/km - £0 will rise to £10
1 to 50g/km - £10 will rise to £110
51 to 75g/km - £30 will rise to £130
76 to 90g/km - £135 will rise to £270
91 to 100g/km - £175 will rise to £350
101 to 110g/km - £195 will rise to £390
111 to 130g/km - £220 will rise to £440
131 to 150g/km - £270 will rise to £540
151 to 170g/km - £680 will rise to £1,360
171 to 190g/km - £1,095 will rise to £2,190
191 to 225g/km - £1,650 will rise to £3,300
226 to 255g/km - £2,340 will rise to £4,680
Over 255g/km - £2,745 will rise to £5,490
Aren’t these the 1st year rates?"
aye ... these are for brand new motors .... already existing motors will go up in line with inflation ..... but the telegraph and mail have spun it to look like it's every car .... twats  |
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The figures above are that of this year and next to it are the proposed increases.
I don't think there will be any opposition (1) Those in parliament can afford it. (2) Those that can afford the increase don't care. And (3) The rest of us haven't had enough or we'd be rioting.
Not to change the subject but
I believe EVs will be short lived and that hydrogen will replace it. |
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By *irldnCouple 14 weeks ago
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"The figures above are that of this year and next to it are the proposed increases.
I don't think there will be any opposition (1) Those in parliament can afford it. (2) Those that can afford the increase don't care. And (3) The rest of us haven't had enough or we'd be rioting.
Not to change the subject but
I believe EVs will be short lived and that hydrogen will replace it."
I think you may be right (makes more sense) |
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I believe EVs will be short lived and that hydrogen will replace it."
Yeah Hydrogen is more practical when from users' perspective. The only trouble is the cost of hydrogen production. If there is a good breakthrough on Hydrogen production, it would easily replace EVs. Toyota is betting really big on hydrogen and investing much less on EVs. It would be interesting to see how that pans out. |
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By *otMe66Man 14 weeks ago
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All these measures are punitive, designed to raise funds by villainising an easy target.
Today’s driving habits are owning cars and rarely using them, that is the real obstacle to reducing pollution.
Switching to electric or hydrogen only shifts the pollution source. Shared, driverless taxis reduce the need for car ownership and manufacturing, cutting traffic, lowering resource demand, and decreasing pollution more effectively by using fewer cars more efficiently.
The issue lies with us, our habits, and, dare I say, a council and Government that prefer us owning cars.
If the above is not a place you want to be as a car owner / lover, the taxation will continue to rise. |
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Mercedes has invested over 2.6billion Euros (£2.01billion) in development and production of its new modular diesel engine family, plus 500million Euros (£388m) in a new lithium-ion battery factory in Germany.
You can see where they feel the near future really is though. I believe ev are short term as most countries will not properly invest in the necessary infrastructure required to move properly...it's a rich man's toy and for leasing.
Vw have just released a 10% reduction in EV sales for this year compared to the same period last year. BMW have a similar reduction in EV sales. They attribute it to the competition from China and lack of investment from the German government. KIA on the other hand have had a record breaking sales on EVs this year. |
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"Mercedes has invested over 2.6billion Euros (£2.01billion) in development and production of its new modular diesel engine family, plus 500million Euros (£388m) in a new lithium-ion battery factory in Germany.
You can see where they feel the near future really is though. I believe ev are short term as most countries will not properly invest in the necessary infrastructure required to move properly...it's a rich man's toy and for leasing.
Vw have just released a 10% reduction in EV sales for this year compared to the same period last year. BMW have a similar reduction in EV sales. They attribute it to the competition from China and lack of investment from the German government. KIA on the other hand have had a record breaking sales on EVs this year."
Some reports that VW are to close 3 plants in Germany and cut the remaining workers pay. |
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"Ridiculous that these rates are based on CO2 emissions when emission analytics (.com) research shows tyre particulate emissions are 1000 higher than those at tailpipe."
But tyre particulates, no matter how much you produce, don't cause atmospheric warming. |
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"Ridiculous that these rates are based on CO2 emissions when emission analytics (.com) research shows tyre particulate emissions are 1000 higher than those at tailpipe.
But tyre particulates, no matter how much you produce, don't cause atmospheric warming."
Great for the lungs, though! |
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lol if I am buying a 140k SUV / sports car I am going to give zero fucks about increased road tax . This will not affect the well off in that sense to detour.
It will totally wreck 2hand values of older cars though that are currently bought by mid earning persons |
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"lol if I am buying a 140k SUV / sports car I am going to give zero fucks about increased road tax . This will not affect the well off in that sense to detour.
It will totally wreck 2hand values of older cars though that are currently bought by mid earning persons "
Those rates are only for new cars, not second hand. |
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"lol if I am buying a 140k SUV / sports car I am going to give zero fucks about increased road tax . This will not affect the well off in that sense to detour.
It will totally wreck 2hand values of older cars though that are currently bought by mid earning persons
Those rates are only for new cars, not second hand."
Even better then  or cue a surge in pre registered demo vehicles being sold
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"bear in mind that motors registered prior to 1st Jan 1984 are tax exempt .... which is handy
Maybe I need to stop just watching Richard Hammonds workshop and actually buy a classic then "
go for it
darwinian theory of motors applies .... only the strongest have survived .... personally i have a datsun 280x and several motorcycles |
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I believe EVs will be short lived and that hydrogen will replace it.
Yeah Hydrogen is more practical when from users' perspective. The only trouble is the cost of hydrogen production. If there is a good breakthrough on Hydrogen production, it would easily replace EVs. Toyota is betting really big on hydrogen and investing much less on EVs. It would be interesting to see how that pans out."
Toyota's solid state battery is apparently nearing production.
It's reported to be a game changer. Apparently 900 miles on a single charge. |
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I believe EVs will be short lived and that hydrogen will replace it.
Yeah Hydrogen is more practical when from users' perspective. The only trouble is the cost of hydrogen production. If there is a good breakthrough on Hydrogen production, it would easily replace EVs. Toyota is betting really big on hydrogen and investing much less on EVs. It would be interesting to see how that pans out.
Toyota's solid state battery is apparently nearing production.
It's reported to be a game changer. Apparently 900 miles on a single charge."
How long will it take to charge? |
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Most of these ‘save the environment’ taxes on cars are dreamt up by idiots who either live in London where public transport is readily available or by other idiots that are chauffeured around in vehicles that are paid for by the taxpayer….
EVs will die out soon anyway and Hydrogen powered makes a lot more sense if going down the non combustion engine route. |
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"Most of these ‘save the environment’ taxes on cars are dreamt up by idiots who either live in London where public transport is readily available or by other idiots that are chauffeured around in vehicles that are paid for by the taxpayer….
EVs will die out soon anyway and Hydrogen powered makes a lot more sense if going down the non combustion engine route."
my trusty landy might have to get regiated as agri use and tbh thats all it is mostly used for £780 a year is ridiculous but i factor it in to the costs of having it as a tool, if it ever breaks the £1000 threshold itll be a tractor from then on |
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"Most of these ‘save the environment’ taxes on cars are dreamt up by idiots who either live in London where public transport is readily available or by other idiots that are chauffeured around in vehicles that are paid for by the taxpayer….
EVs will die out soon anyway and Hydrogen powered makes a lot more sense if going down the non combustion engine route."
I live in London and hate public transport it's terrible! |
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"Most of these ‘save the environment’ taxes on cars are dreamt up by idiots who either live in London where public transport is readily available or by other idiots that are chauffeured around in vehicles that are paid for by the taxpayer….
EVs will die out soon anyway and Hydrogen powered makes a lot more sense if going down the non combustion engine route.
I live in London and hate public transport it's terrible! "
lol if you think London has terrible public transport you should try living out in the sticks. |
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"Most of these ‘save the environment’ taxes on cars are dreamt up by idiots who either live in London where public transport is readily available or by other idiots that are chauffeured around in vehicles that are paid for by the taxpayer….
EVs will die out soon anyway and Hydrogen powered makes a lot more sense if going down the non combustion engine route.
I live in London and hate public transport it's terrible!
lol if you think London has terrible public transport you should try living out in the sticks."
This is why I drive. |
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EVs will die out soon anyway and Hydrogen powered makes a lot more sense if going down the non combustion engine route."
hydrogen fuel cells produce electricity, so currently cars like the Mirai (powered by HFC) are actually EV's, so they ain't going anywhere |
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Correct but they will set these new levels for secondhand vehicles each year as they get older, so in say 5-10 years this is what they will cost plus the yearly inflationary increases the government deems necessary. |
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"Correct but they will set these new levels for secondhand vehicles each year as they get older, so in say 5-10 years this is what they will cost plus the yearly inflationary increases the government deems necessary. "
Most things go up in line with inflation. |
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I believe EVs will be short lived and that hydrogen will replace it.
Yeah Hydrogen is more practical when from users' perspective. The only trouble is the cost of hydrogen production. If there is a good breakthrough on Hydrogen production, it would easily replace EVs. Toyota is betting really big on hydrogen and investing much less on EVs. It would be interesting to see how that pans out.
Toyota's solid state battery is apparently nearing production.
It's reported to be a game changer. Apparently 900 miles on a single charge.
How long will it take to charge?"
Here is a copy and paste from the Toyota website. I don't think a link is allowed.
I know I said 900 miles in previous post, that's what another website was reporting. This article says 700 km.
"So, what does this mean from an end users point of view? A trip of 700 km on one charge. A recharge from zero to full in roughly 10-15 minutes. All with minimal safety concerns. The solid-state battery being introduced by Toyota promises to be a game changer not just for electric vehicles but for an entire industry. The electric vehicles being developed will have a range more than twice the distance of a vehicle running on a conventional lithium-ion battery under the same conditions. All accomplished without sacrificing interior space in even the most compact vehicle." |
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I believe EVs will be short lived and that hydrogen will replace it.
Yeah Hydrogen is more practical when from users' perspective. The only trouble is the cost of hydrogen production. If there is a good breakthrough on Hydrogen production, it would easily replace EVs. Toyota is betting really big on hydrogen and investing much less on EVs. It would be interesting to see how that pans out.
Toyota's solid state battery is apparently nearing production.
It's reported to be a game changer. Apparently 900 miles on a single charge.
How long will it take to charge?
Here is a copy and paste from the Toyota website. I don't think a link is allowed.
I know I said 900 miles in previous post, that's what another website was reporting. This article says 700 km.
"So, what does this mean from an end users point of view? A trip of 700 km on one charge. A recharge from zero to full in roughly 10-15 minutes. All with minimal safety concerns. The solid-state battery being introduced by Toyota promises to be a game changer not just for electric vehicles but for an entire industry. The electric vehicles being developed will have a range more than twice the distance of a vehicle running on a conventional lithium-ion battery under the same conditions. All accomplished without sacrificing interior space in even the most compact vehicle.""
There are 41 million vehicles on the road. How would the grid manage if every vehicle was electric? |
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I believe EVs will be short lived and that hydrogen will replace it.
Yeah Hydrogen is more practical when from users' perspective. The only trouble is the cost of hydrogen production. If there is a good breakthrough on Hydrogen production, it would easily replace EVs. Toyota is betting really big on hydrogen and investing much less on EVs. It would be interesting to see how that pans out.
Toyota's solid state battery is apparently nearing production.
It's reported to be a game changer. Apparently 900 miles on a single charge.
How long will it take to charge?
Here is a copy and paste from the Toyota website. I don't think a link is allowed.
I know I said 900 miles in previous post, that's what another website was reporting. This article says 700 km.
"So, what does this mean from an end users point of view? A trip of 700 km on one charge. A recharge from zero to full in roughly 10-15 minutes. All with minimal safety concerns. The solid-state battery being introduced by Toyota promises to be a game changer not just for electric vehicles but for an entire industry. The electric vehicles being developed will have a range more than twice the distance of a vehicle running on a conventional lithium-ion battery under the same conditions. All accomplished without sacrificing interior space in even the most compact vehicle."
There are 41 million vehicles on the road. How would the grid manage if every vehicle was electric?"
Not my field of expertise, so you will have to ask someone else. |
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I believe EVs will be short lived and that hydrogen will replace it.
Yeah Hydrogen is more practical when from users' perspective. The only trouble is the cost of hydrogen production. If there is a good breakthrough on Hydrogen production, it would easily replace EVs. Toyota is betting really big on hydrogen and investing much less on EVs. It would be interesting to see how that pans out.
Toyota's solid state battery is apparently nearing production.
It's reported to be a game changer. Apparently 900 miles on a single charge.
How long will it take to charge?
Here is a copy and paste from the Toyota website. I don't think a link is allowed.
I know I said 900 miles in previous post, that's what another website was reporting. This article says 700 km.
"So, what does this mean from an end users point of view? A trip of 700 km on one charge. A recharge from zero to full in roughly 10-15 minutes. All with minimal safety concerns. The solid-state battery being introduced by Toyota promises to be a game changer not just for electric vehicles but for an entire industry. The electric vehicles being developed will have a range more than twice the distance of a vehicle running on a conventional lithium-ion battery under the same conditions. All accomplished without sacrificing interior space in even the most compact vehicle."
There are 41 million vehicles on the road. How would the grid manage if every vehicle was electric?
Not my field of expertise, so you will have to ask someone else. "
Though am guessing someone was saying the same thing when television first came out, how will the grid manage if everyone has a tv. |
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There are 41 million vehicles on the road. How would the grid manage if every vehicle was electric?"
no, there are 41 million registered vehicles ..... there's nowhere near that number on the road at the same time |
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I believe EVs will be short lived and that hydrogen will replace it.
Yeah Hydrogen is more practical when from users' perspective. The only trouble is the cost of hydrogen production. If there is a good breakthrough on Hydrogen production, it would easily replace EVs. Toyota is betting really big on hydrogen and investing much less on EVs. It would be interesting to see how that pans out.
Toyota's solid state battery is apparently nearing production.
It's reported to be a game changer. Apparently 900 miles on a single charge."
Nio is also close to releasing those batteries. Nio also makes cars which do battery swaps in stations in a few minutes so that you don't have to wait for long to charge. The whole process of battery swap is fully automated while you can sit in the car. Amazing tech. Going to be interesting to see which one wins in the long run. |
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"I love cars ! I love to drive ! I love powerful cars! I especially love my BMW !
But the new car tax hike planned for next year may have me giving up my pride and joy!
I pay £270 a year for road tax but labour has plans on increasing it to £540!
Current first year car tax rates compared to expected 2025-26 hikes
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It must be a pretty old car if you’re paying £270 a year. The yearly tax rate since 2017 has been around £190 (plus £410 if the list price was about 40K for years 2 - 5) |
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"I love cars ! I love to drive ! I love powerful cars! I especially love my BMW !
But the new car tax hike planned for next year may have me giving up my pride and joy!
I pay £270 a year for road tax but labour has plans on increasing it to £540!
Current first year car tax rates compared to expected 2025-26 hikes
It must be a pretty old car if you’re paying £270 a year. The yearly tax rate since 2017 has been around £190 (plus £410 if the list price was about 40K for years 2 - 5)"
What's that got to do with the government putting up road tax for BS reason's ? Would you like to pay more road tax ? |
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"I love cars ! I love to drive ! I love powerful cars! I especially love my BMW !
But the new car tax hike planned for next year may have me giving up my pride and joy!
I pay £270 a year for road tax but labour has plans on increasing it to £540!
Current first year car tax rates compared to expected 2025-26 hikes
It must be a pretty old car if you’re paying £270 a year. The yearly tax rate since 2017 has been around £190 (plus £410 if the list price was about 40K for years 2 - 5)
What's that got to do with the government putting up road tax for BS reason's ? Would you like to pay more road tax ?"
Your not paying those figures you quoted on your existing car, that’s year one price only then it goes down to the standard rate of 190. Plus the 410 if applicable. Don’t want to pay those new rates, don’t buy a new car it really is very simple. Your existing car is not going to cost you much more if anything other than inflation. |
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"Correct but they will set these new levels for secondhand vehicles each year as they get older, so in say 5-10 years this is what they will cost plus the yearly inflationary increases the government deems necessary.
Most things go up in line with inflation."
Indeed but that's not the point. The poster said it's only for new vehicles as if it would have no later relevence which I was pointing out it it had significant relevance as thebhike was from £30 to £130 so any one wanting to buy that car in 5 or 10 years time wouldn't nt be paying £30 (my car is currently £30 and has been for many years) but I'd end up paying about £200 plus under the current changes for that car in 5-10 years. Multiply this by every car and you see the significance. |
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"I love cars ! I love to drive ! I love powerful cars! I especially love my BMW !
But the new car tax hike planned for next year may have me giving up my pride and joy!
I pay £270 a year for road tax but labour has plans on increasing it to £540!
Current first year car tax rates compared to expected 2025-26 hikes
It must be a pretty old car if you’re paying £270 a year. The yearly tax rate since 2017 has been around £190 (plus £410 if the list price was about 40K for years 2 - 5)
What's that got to do with the government putting up road tax for BS reason's ? Would you like to pay more road tax ?
Your not paying those figures you quoted on your existing car, that’s year one price only then it goes down to the standard rate of 190. Plus the 410 if applicable. Don’t want to pay those new rates, don’t buy a new car it really is very simple. Your existing car is not going to cost you much more if anything other than inflation."
The rates have been going up yearly. I pay more for my motorbike than most small to medium size cars, a reflection that it's less to do with environmental issues than they'd lead us to believe.
Tax at the pump would better reflect an environmental policy if it were that. |
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"I love cars ! I love to drive ! I love powerful cars! I especially love my BMW !
But the new car tax hike planned for next year may have me giving up my pride and joy!
I pay £270 a year for road tax but labour has plans on increasing it to £540!
Current first year car tax rates compared to expected 2025-26 hikes
It must be a pretty old car if you’re paying £270 a year. The yearly tax rate since 2017 has been around £190 (plus £410 if the list price was about 40K for years 2 - 5)
What's that got to do with the government putting up road tax for BS reason's ? Would you like to pay more road tax ?
Your not paying those figures you quoted on your existing car, that’s year one price only then it goes down to the standard rate of 190. Plus the 410 if applicable. Don’t want to pay those new rates, don’t buy a new car it really is very simple. Your existing car is not going to cost you much more if anything other than inflation.
The rates have been going up yearly. I pay more for my motorbike than most small to medium size cars, a reflection that it's less to do with environmental issues than they'd lead us to believe.
Tax at the pump would better reflect an environmental policy if it were that."
tax at the pump on top of the already tax at the pump 😂theyll rip us off how ever they want to either way |
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"Indeed but that's not the point. The poster said it's only for new vehicles as if it would have no later relevence which I was pointing out it it had significant relevance as thebhike was from £30 to £130 so any one wanting to buy that car in 5 or 10 years time wouldn't nt be paying £30 (my car is currently £30 and has been for many years) but I'd end up paying about £200 plus under the current changes for that car in 5-10 years. Multiply this by every car and you see the significance."
The news tax levels are only for the first year of ownership, they don't apply after that first year. |
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"New petrol motorcycles are being banned in a few years, starting with sub 125cc with lowest emissions
Will that affect pizza deliveries?"
only that you won't hear the electric moped pull up outside your gaff |
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There are 41 million vehicles on the road. How would the grid manage if every vehicle was electric?
Not my field of expertise, so you will have to ask someone else.
Though am guessing someone was saying the same thing when television first came out, how will the grid manage if everyone has a tv."
Maybe one person in a million wondered that back then, if they didn't understand the vast difference of energy used by even a valved CRT screen telly of yesteryear and the power needed now to shift a car and its occupant(s). |
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"Indeed but that's not the point. The poster said it's only for new vehicles as if it would have no later relevence which I was pointing out it it had significant relevance as thebhike was from £30 to £130 so any one wanting to buy that car in 5 or 10 years time wouldn't nt be paying £30 (my car is currently £30 and has been for many years) but I'd end up paying about £200 plus under the current changes for that car in 5-10 years. Multiply this by every car and you see the significance.
The news tax levels are only for the first year of ownership, they don't apply after that first year."
That's good to hear if true... surprised it is as government never gives away something they can take. Why take for one year when they could easily continue taking it every year afterwards. |
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