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Bet migrant hotels are well heated this Winter. So Winter fuel allowance is scrapped, shame on MPs.
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"My family relatives got their fuel allowance taken away. Did yours?. Did your newly elected MP vote for it?. Name and shame them." Why dont you buy them a coat | |||
"My family relatives got their fuel allowance taken away. Did yours?. Did your newly elected MP vote for it?. Name and shame them." I lost it, to be honest I don't know why I ever got it in the first place. | |||
"This will trigger a few im betting " certainly triggered the op  | |||
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"Labour only cares about its core voters. The 80% that didn’t vote for them (old people, people who work in the private sector, small business owners etc) don’t count." 80 % didn’t vote for them ? | |||
"Labour only cares about its core voters. The 80% that didn’t vote for them (old people, people who work in the private sector, small business owners etc) don’t count." Dammit I put the X in the wrong box. As a pensioner who retired from the private sector I should have voted for either the lot that had overseen the fall in living standards or the other favourite on here who just spouted nonsense that made Reeves look like Adam Smith. | |||
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"Of course the illegal immigrants will be warm, they’re way more important than pensioners. Politicians & their thugs in the police are going to lose control soon I fear as people’s rage at this is building to a head. One day something will spark it and it will explode into widespread riots because we’re being driven to the brink. " Calling the Police thugs and talking about rioting in the same paragraph, bravo. | |||
"Of course the illegal immigrants will be warm, they’re way more important than pensioners. Politicians & their thugs in the police are going to lose control soon I fear as people’s rage at this is building to a head. One day something will spark it and it will explode into widespread riots because we’re being driven to the brink. " We already had riots, they won’t happen again, the police dealt with them  | |||
"My family relatives got their fuel allowance taken away. Did yours?. Did your newly elected MP vote for it?. Name and shame them." Why are these things related? | |||
"Of course the illegal immigrants will be warm, they’re way more important than pensioners. Politicians & their thugs in the police are going to lose control soon I fear as people’s rage at this is building to a head. One day something will spark it and it will explode into widespread riots because we’re being driven to the brink. " Why are these things related? Do you think if the government demonised immigrants even more, then they would magically suddenly care about pensioners? I find this argument bizarre to the extreme. | |||
"Of course the illegal immigrants will be warm, they’re way more important than pensioners. Politicians & their thugs in the police are going to lose control soon I fear as people’s rage at this is building to a head. One day something will spark it and it will explode into widespread riots because we’re being driven to the brink. Calling the Police thugs and talking about rioting in the same paragraph, bravo." you dont think the pld bill are thugs? There the biggest gang out there, there are a few good ones the rest are the sort of people who got bullied as kids and are now on a power trip because they have a bit of authority | |||
"Of course the illegal immigrants will be warm, they’re way more important than pensioners. Politicians & their thugs in the police are going to lose control soon I fear as people’s rage at this is building to a head. One day something will spark it and it will explode into widespread riots because we’re being driven to the brink. Calling the Police thugs and talking about rioting in the same paragraph, bravo.you dont think the pld bill are thugs? There the biggest gang out there, there are a few good ones the rest are the sort of people who got bullied as kids and are now on a power trip because they have a bit of authority " In answer to your question no I don't. The rest of your comment is your opinion. | |||
"Of course the illegal immigrants will be warm, they’re way more important than pensioners. Politicians & their thugs in the police are going to lose control soon I fear as people’s rage at this is building to a head. One day something will spark it and it will explode into widespread riots because we’re being driven to the brink. Why are these things related? Do you think if the government demonised immigrants even more, then they would magically suddenly care about pensioners? I find this argument bizarre to the extreme." They are related in the sense that they are competing demands on a finite pot of cash. Asylum seeker accommodation costs the taxpayer around £3 billion a year. So it's valid to say pensioner fuel allowance was cut to fund expenditure on other things. | |||
"Of course the illegal immigrants will be warm, they’re way more important than pensioners. Politicians & their thugs in the police are going to lose control soon I fear as people’s rage at this is building to a head. One day something will spark it and it will explode into widespread riots because we’re being driven to the brink. Calling the Police thugs and talking about rioting in the same paragraph, bravo.you dont think the pld bill are thugs? There the biggest gang out there, there are a few good ones the rest are the sort of people who got bullied as kids and are now on a power trip because they have a bit of authority In answer to your question no I don't. The rest of your comment is your opinion." and you thinking there not thugs is your opinion | |||
"Of course the illegal immigrants will be warm, they’re way more important than pensioners. Politicians & their thugs in the police are going to lose control soon I fear as people’s rage at this is building to a head. One day something will spark it and it will explode into widespread riots because we’re being driven to the brink. Why are these things related? Do you think if the government demonised immigrants even more, then they would magically suddenly care about pensioners? I find this argument bizarre to the extreme. They are related in the sense that they are competing demands on a finite pot of cash. Asylum seeker accommodation costs the taxpayer around £3 billion a year. So it's valid to say pensioner fuel allowance was cut to fund expenditure on other things. " I suppose it’s better than us pensioners waking up with them in our bedrooms. | |||
"Of course the illegal immigrants will be warm, they’re way more important than pensioners. Politicians & their thugs in the police are going to lose control soon I fear as people’s rage at this is building to a head. One day something will spark it and it will explode into widespread riots because we’re being driven to the brink. Why are these things related? Do you think if the government demonised immigrants even more, then they would magically suddenly care about pensioners? I find this argument bizarre to the extreme. They are related in the sense that they are competing demands on a finite pot of cash. Asylum seeker accommodation costs the taxpayer around £3 billion a year. So it's valid to say pensioner fuel allowance was cut to fund expenditure on other things. " Tax fraud costs £20 billion, | |||
"Of course the illegal immigrants will be warm, they’re way more important than pensioners. Politicians & their thugs in the police are going to lose control soon I fear as people’s rage at this is building to a head. One day something will spark it and it will explode into widespread riots because we’re being driven to the brink. Why are these things related? Do you think if the government demonised immigrants even more, then they would magically suddenly care about pensioners? I find this argument bizarre to the extreme. They are related in the sense that they are competing demands on a finite pot of cash. Asylum seeker accommodation costs the taxpayer around £3 billion a year. So it's valid to say pensioner fuel allowance was cut to fund expenditure on other things. I suppose it’s better than us pensioners waking up with them in our bedrooms." why dont you house a few poor refugees? Oh silly me i pressumed you might of done | |||
"Of course the illegal immigrants will be warm, they’re way more important than pensioners. Politicians & their thugs in the police are going to lose control soon I fear as people’s rage at this is building to a head. One day something will spark it and it will explode into widespread riots because we’re being driven to the brink. Why are these things related? Do you think if the government demonised immigrants even more, then they would magically suddenly care about pensioners? I find this argument bizarre to the extreme. They are related in the sense that they are competing demands on a finite pot of cash. Asylum seeker accommodation costs the taxpayer around £3 billion a year. So it's valid to say pensioner fuel allowance was cut to fund expenditure on other things. I suppose it’s better than us pensioners waking up with them in our bedrooms. why dont you house a few poor refugees? Oh silly me i pressumed you might of done " How many homeless veterans do you house ? | |||
"Of course the illegal immigrants will be warm, they’re way more important than pensioners. Politicians & their thugs in the police are going to lose control soon I fear as people’s rage at this is building to a head. One day something will spark it and it will explode into widespread riots because we’re being driven to the brink. Why are these things related? Do you think if the government demonised immigrants even more, then they would magically suddenly care about pensioners? I find this argument bizarre to the extreme. They are related in the sense that they are competing demands on a finite pot of cash. Asylum seeker accommodation costs the taxpayer around £3 billion a year. So it's valid to say pensioner fuel allowance was cut to fund expenditure on other things. I suppose it’s better than us pensioners waking up with them in our bedrooms. why dont you house a few poor refugees? Oh silly me i pressumed you might of done How many homeless veterans do you house ? " none currently but 2 in the past for a short period | |||
"Of course the illegal immigrants will be warm, they’re way more important than pensioners. Politicians & their thugs in the police are going to lose control soon I fear as people’s rage at this is building to a head. One day something will spark it and it will explode into widespread riots because we’re being driven to the brink. Why are these things related? Do you think if the government demonised immigrants even more, then they would magically suddenly care about pensioners? I find this argument bizarre to the extreme. They are related in the sense that they are competing demands on a finite pot of cash. Asylum seeker accommodation costs the taxpayer around £3 billion a year. So it's valid to say pensioner fuel allowance was cut to fund expenditure on other things. I suppose it’s better than us pensioners waking up with them in our bedrooms. why dont you house a few poor refugees? Oh silly me i pressumed you might of done How many homeless veterans do you house ? none currently but 2 in the past for a short period " Only 2? For a bit? You obviously don’t care enough | |||
"Of course the illegal immigrants will be warm, they’re way more important than pensioners. Politicians & their thugs in the police are going to lose control soon I fear as people’s rage at this is building to a head. One day something will spark it and it will explode into widespread riots because we’re being driven to the brink. Why are these things related? Do you think if the government demonised immigrants even more, then they would magically suddenly care about pensioners? I find this argument bizarre to the extreme. They are related in the sense that they are competing demands on a finite pot of cash. Asylum seeker accommodation costs the taxpayer around £3 billion a year. So it's valid to say pensioner fuel allowance was cut to fund expenditure on other things. I suppose it’s better than us pensioners waking up with them in our bedrooms. why dont you house a few poor refugees? Oh silly me i pressumed you might of done How many homeless veterans do you house ? none currently but 2 in the past for a short period Only 2? For a bit? You obviously don’t care enough " nana fell ill so she moved into the annex for the foreseable | |||
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"Of course the illegal immigrants will be warm, they’re way more important than pensioners. Politicians & their thugs in the police are going to lose control soon I fear as people’s rage at this is building to a head. One day something will spark it and it will explode into widespread riots because we’re being driven to the brink. Why are these things related? Do you think if the government demonised immigrants even more, then they would magically suddenly care about pensioners? I find this argument bizarre to the extreme. They are related in the sense that they are competing demands on a finite pot of cash. Asylum seeker accommodation costs the taxpayer around £3 billion a year. So it's valid to say pensioner fuel allowance was cut to fund expenditure on other things. I suppose it’s better than us pensioners waking up with them in our bedrooms. why dont you house a few poor refugees? Oh silly me i pressumed you might of done How many homeless veterans do you house ? none currently but 2 in the past for a short period Only 2? For a bit? You obviously don’t care enough nana fell ill so she moved into the annex for the foreseable " I see, you could sleep in the car ? Show some compassion | |||
"Of course the illegal immigrants will be warm, they’re way more important than pensioners. Politicians & their thugs in the police are going to lose control soon I fear as people’s rage at this is building to a head. One day something will spark it and it will explode into widespread riots because we’re being driven to the brink. Why are these things related? Do you think if the government demonised immigrants even more, then they would magically suddenly care about pensioners? I find this argument bizarre to the extreme. They are related in the sense that they are competing demands on a finite pot of cash. Asylum seeker accommodation costs the taxpayer around £3 billion a year. So it's valid to say pensioner fuel allowance was cut to fund expenditure on other things. I suppose it’s better than us pensioners waking up with them in our bedrooms. why dont you house a few poor refugees? Oh silly me i pressumed you might of done How many homeless veterans do you house ? none currently but 2 in the past for a short period Only 2? For a bit? You obviously don’t care enough nana fell ill so she moved into the annex for the foreseable I see, you could sleep in the car ? Show some compassion " silly man.. Ive a mortorhome why would i sleep in the car | |||
"Of course the illegal immigrants will be warm, they’re way more important than pensioners. Politicians & their thugs in the police are going to lose control soon I fear as people’s rage at this is building to a head. One day something will spark it and it will explode into widespread riots because we’re being driven to the brink. Why are these things related? Do you think if the government demonised immigrants even more, then they would magically suddenly care about pensioners? I find this argument bizarre to the extreme. They are related in the sense that they are competing demands on a finite pot of cash. Asylum seeker accommodation costs the taxpayer around £3 billion a year. So it's valid to say pensioner fuel allowance was cut to fund expenditure on other things. I suppose it’s better than us pensioners waking up with them in our bedrooms. why dont you house a few poor refugees? Oh silly me i pressumed you might of done How many homeless veterans do you house ? none currently but 2 in the past for a short period Only 2? For a bit? You obviously don’t care enough nana fell ill so she moved into the annex for the foreseable I see, you could sleep in the car ? Show some compassion silly man.. Ive a mortorhome why would i sleep in the car " At least you tried, so how many child orphans have you housed? | |||
"Of course the illegal immigrants will be warm, they’re way more important than pensioners. Politicians & their thugs in the police are going to lose control soon I fear as people’s rage at this is building to a head. One day something will spark it and it will explode into widespread riots because we’re being driven to the brink. Why are these things related? Do you think if the government demonised immigrants even more, then they would magically suddenly care about pensioners? I find this argument bizarre to the extreme. They are related in the sense that they are competing demands on a finite pot of cash. Asylum seeker accommodation costs the taxpayer around £3 billion a year. So it's valid to say pensioner fuel allowance was cut to fund expenditure on other things. I suppose it’s better than us pensioners waking up with them in our bedrooms." So what's the difference between illegal migrants breaking into your house and breaking into your country? Both acts of criminality, no? | |||
"Of course the illegal immigrants will be warm, they’re way more important than pensioners. Politicians & their thugs in the police are going to lose control soon I fear as people’s rage at this is building to a head. One day something will spark it and it will explode into widespread riots because we’re being driven to the brink. Why are these things related? Do you think if the government demonised immigrants even more, then they would magically suddenly care about pensioners? I find this argument bizarre to the extreme. They are related in the sense that they are competing demands on a finite pot of cash. Asylum seeker accommodation costs the taxpayer around £3 billion a year. So it's valid to say pensioner fuel allowance was cut to fund expenditure on other things. I suppose it’s better than us pensioners waking up with them in our bedrooms. why dont you house a few poor refugees? Oh silly me i pressumed you might of done " That makes no literal sense. | |||
"Of course the illegal immigrants will be warm, they’re way more important than pensioners. Politicians & their thugs in the police are going to lose control soon I fear as people’s rage at this is building to a head. One day something will spark it and it will explode into widespread riots because we’re being driven to the brink. Why are these things related? Do you think if the government demonised immigrants even more, then they would magically suddenly care about pensioners? I find this argument bizarre to the extreme. They are related in the sense that they are competing demands on a finite pot of cash. Asylum seeker accommodation costs the taxpayer around £3 billion a year. So it's valid to say pensioner fuel allowance was cut to fund expenditure on other things. I suppose it’s better than us pensioners waking up with them in our bedrooms. So what's the difference between illegal migrants breaking into your house and breaking into your country? Both acts of criminality, no?" What is the average sentence for breaking into your country? | |||
"Of course the illegal immigrants will be warm, they’re way more important than pensioners. Politicians & their thugs in the police are going to lose control soon I fear as people’s rage at this is building to a head. One day something will spark it and it will explode into widespread riots because we’re being driven to the brink. Why are these things related? Do you think if the government demonised immigrants even more, then they would magically suddenly care about pensioners? I find this argument bizarre to the extreme. They are related in the sense that they are competing demands on a finite pot of cash. Asylum seeker accommodation costs the taxpayer around £3 billion a year. So it's valid to say pensioner fuel allowance was cut to fund expenditure on other things. I suppose it’s better than us pensioners waking up with them in our bedrooms. So what's the difference between illegal migrants breaking into your house and breaking into your country? Both acts of criminality, no?" Did they jemmy open the white cliffs of Dover | |||
"Of course the illegal immigrants will be warm, they’re way more important than pensioners. Politicians & their thugs in the police are going to lose control soon I fear as people’s rage at this is building to a head. One day something will spark it and it will explode into widespread riots because we’re being driven to the brink. Why are these things related? Do you think if the government demonised immigrants even more, then they would magically suddenly care about pensioners? I find this argument bizarre to the extreme. They are related in the sense that they are competing demands on a finite pot of cash. Asylum seeker accommodation costs the taxpayer around £3 billion a year. So it's valid to say pensioner fuel allowance was cut to fund expenditure on other things. I suppose it’s better than us pensioners waking up with them in our bedrooms. So what's the difference between illegal migrants breaking into your house and breaking into your country? Both acts of criminality, no? Did they jemmy open the white cliffs of Dover " they didnt fill a visa application and get a flight over either did they | |||
"Of course the illegal immigrants will be warm, they’re way more important than pensioners. Politicians & their thugs in the police are going to lose control soon I fear as people’s rage at this is building to a head. One day something will spark it and it will explode into widespread riots because we’re being driven to the brink. Why are these things related? Do you think if the government demonised immigrants even more, then they would magically suddenly care about pensioners? I find this argument bizarre to the extreme. They are related in the sense that they are competing demands on a finite pot of cash. Asylum seeker accommodation costs the taxpayer around £3 billion a year. So it's valid to say pensioner fuel allowance was cut to fund expenditure on other things. I suppose it’s better than us pensioners waking up with them in our bedrooms. So what's the difference between illegal migrants breaking into your house and breaking into your country? Both acts of criminality, no? Did they jemmy open the white cliffs of Dover " | |||
"Of course the illegal immigrants will be warm, they’re way more important than pensioners. Politicians & their thugs in the police are going to lose control soon I fear as people’s rage at this is building to a head. One day something will spark it and it will explode into widespread riots because we’re being driven to the brink. Why are these things related? Do you think if the government demonised immigrants even more, then they would magically suddenly care about pensioners? I find this argument bizarre to the extreme. They are related in the sense that they are competing demands on a finite pot of cash. Asylum seeker accommodation costs the taxpayer around £3 billion a year. So it's valid to say pensioner fuel allowance was cut to fund expenditure on other things. I suppose it’s better than us pensioners waking up with them in our bedrooms. So what's the difference between illegal migrants breaking into your house and breaking into your country? Both acts of criminality, no? Did they jemmy open the white cliffs of Dover " Metaphorically speaking that's exactly what they do. So again, what's the difference? | |||
"Of course the illegal immigrants will be warm, they’re way more important than pensioners. Politicians & their thugs in the police are going to lose control soon I fear as people’s rage at this is building to a head. One day something will spark it and it will explode into widespread riots because we’re being driven to the brink. Why are these things related? Do you think if the government demonised immigrants even more, then they would magically suddenly care about pensioners? I find this argument bizarre to the extreme. They are related in the sense that they are competing demands on a finite pot of cash. Asylum seeker accommodation costs the taxpayer around £3 billion a year. So it's valid to say pensioner fuel allowance was cut to fund expenditure on other things. I suppose it’s better than us pensioners waking up with them in our bedrooms. So what's the difference between illegal migrants breaking into your house and breaking into your country? Both acts of criminality, no? Did they jemmy open the white cliffs of Dover Metaphorically speaking that's exactly what they do. So again, what's the difference?" About 6 months in prison | |||
"Of course the illegal immigrants will be warm, they’re way more important than pensioners. Politicians & their thugs in the police are going to lose control soon I fear as people’s rage at this is building to a head. One day something will spark it and it will explode into widespread riots because we’re being driven to the brink. " Not sure I see the levels of “rage” that you mention. Yes there are problems, but people have it pretty good in this country, lots of opportunity | |||
"Of course the illegal immigrants will be warm, they’re way more important than pensioners. Politicians & their thugs in the police are going to lose control soon I fear as people’s rage at this is building to a head. One day something will spark it and it will explode into widespread riots because we’re being driven to the brink. Why are these things related? Do you think if the government demonised immigrants even more, then they would magically suddenly care about pensioners? I find this argument bizarre to the extreme. They are related in the sense that they are competing demands on a finite pot of cash. Asylum seeker accommodation costs the taxpayer around £3 billion a year. So it's valid to say pensioner fuel allowance was cut to fund expenditure on other things. I suppose it’s better than us pensioners waking up with them in our bedrooms. So what's the difference between illegal migrants breaking into your house and breaking into your country? Both acts of criminality, no?" No | |||
"Of course the illegal immigrants will be warm, they’re way more important than pensioners. Politicians & their thugs in the police are going to lose control soon I fear as people’s rage at this is building to a head. One day something will spark it and it will explode into widespread riots because we’re being driven to the brink. Why are these things related? Do you think if the government demonised immigrants even more, then they would magically suddenly care about pensioners? I find this argument bizarre to the extreme. They are related in the sense that they are competing demands on a finite pot of cash. Asylum seeker accommodation costs the taxpayer around £3 billion a year. So it's valid to say pensioner fuel allowance was cut to fund expenditure on other things. I suppose it’s better than us pensioners waking up with them in our bedrooms. So what's the difference between illegal migrants breaking into your house and breaking into your country? Both acts of criminality, no? Did they jemmy open the white cliffs of Dover Metaphorically speaking that's exactly what they do. So again, what's the difference?" So no. | |||
"Of course the illegal immigrants will be warm, they’re way more important than pensioners. Politicians & their thugs in the police are going to lose control soon I fear as people’s rage at this is building to a head. One day something will spark it and it will explode into widespread riots because we’re being driven to the brink. Why are these things related? Do you think if the government demonised immigrants even more, then they would magically suddenly care about pensioners? I find this argument bizarre to the extreme. They are related in the sense that they are competing demands on a finite pot of cash. Asylum seeker accommodation costs the taxpayer around £3 billion a year. So it's valid to say pensioner fuel allowance was cut to fund expenditure on other things. " Not really. No | |||
"Of course the illegal immigrants will be warm, they’re way more important than pensioners. Politicians & their thugs in the police are going to lose control soon I fear as people’s rage at this is building to a head. One day something will spark it and it will explode into widespread riots because we’re being driven to the brink. Why are these things related? Do you think if the government demonised immigrants even more, then they would magically suddenly care about pensioners? I find this argument bizarre to the extreme. They are related in the sense that they are competing demands on a finite pot of cash. Asylum seeker accommodation costs the taxpayer around £3 billion a year. So it's valid to say pensioner fuel allowance was cut to fund expenditure on other things. " But you could pick anything, why are we paying for rural streets to be illuminated when pensioners aren't going cold. | |||
"Of course the illegal immigrants will be warm, they’re way more important than pensioners. Politicians & their thugs in the police are going to lose control soon I fear as people’s rage at this is building to a head. One day something will spark it and it will explode into widespread riots because we’re being driven to the brink. Why are these things related? Do you think if the government demonised immigrants even more, then they would magically suddenly care about pensioners? I find this argument bizarre to the extreme. They are related in the sense that they are competing demands on a finite pot of cash. Asylum seeker accommodation costs the taxpayer around £3 billion a year. So it's valid to say pensioner fuel allowance was cut to fund expenditure on other things. But you could pick anything, why are we paying for rural streets to be illuminated when pensioners aren't going cold." Sure you can, they are all valid comparisons. So which would you cut to fund asylum seeker accommodation if not pensioner's fuel? | |||
"Of course the illegal immigrants will be warm, they’re way more important than pensioners. Politicians & their thugs in the police are going to lose control soon I fear as people’s rage at this is building to a head. One day something will spark it and it will explode into widespread riots because we’re being driven to the brink. Why are these things related? Do you think if the government demonised immigrants even more, then they would magically suddenly care about pensioners? I find this argument bizarre to the extreme. They are related in the sense that they are competing demands on a finite pot of cash. Asylum seeker accommodation costs the taxpayer around £3 billion a year. So it's valid to say pensioner fuel allowance was cut to fund expenditure on other things. But you could pick anything, why are we paying for rural streets to be illuminated when pensioners aren't going cold. Sure you can, they are all valid comparisons. So which would you cut to fund asylum seeker accommodation if not pensioner's fuel?" Neither. We don't need to choose between the two. This is the lowest common denominator argument. Usually employed by people quite happy that we're spunking billions down the Brexit toilet every year, yet for some unknown reason we're supposed to choose between grannies and immigrants. | |||
"Of course the illegal immigrants will be warm, they’re way more important than pensioners. Politicians & their thugs in the police are going to lose control soon I fear as people’s rage at this is building to a head. One day something will spark it and it will explode into widespread riots because we’re being driven to the brink. " Bless | |||
"Of course the illegal immigrants will be warm, they’re way more important than pensioners. Politicians & their thugs in the police are going to lose control soon I fear as people’s rage at this is building to a head. One day something will spark it and it will explode into widespread riots because we’re being driven to the brink. Why are these things related? Do you think if the government demonised immigrants even more, then they would magically suddenly care about pensioners? I find this argument bizarre to the extreme. They are related in the sense that they are competing demands on a finite pot of cash. Asylum seeker accommodation costs the taxpayer around £3 billion a year. So it's valid to say pensioner fuel allowance was cut to fund expenditure on other things. I suppose it’s better than us pensioners waking up with them in our bedrooms. So what's the difference between illegal migrants breaking into your house and breaking into your country? Both acts of criminality, no? Did they jemmy open the white cliffs of Dover " They turned the alarm off 🤪 | |||
"Of course the illegal immigrants will be warm, they’re way more important than pensioners. Politicians & their thugs in the police are going to lose control soon I fear as people’s rage at this is building to a head. One day something will spark it and it will explode into widespread riots because we’re being driven to the brink. " Brink? What does this brink look like? Mrs x | |||
"Of course the illegal immigrants will be warm, they’re way more important than pensioners. Politicians & their thugs in the police are going to lose control soon I fear as people’s rage at this is building to a head. One day something will spark it and it will explode into widespread riots because we’re being driven to the brink. Why are these things related? Do you think if the government demonised immigrants even more, then they would magically suddenly care about pensioners? I find this argument bizarre to the extreme. They are related in the sense that they are competing demands on a finite pot of cash. Asylum seeker accommodation costs the taxpayer around £3 billion a year. So it's valid to say pensioner fuel allowance was cut to fund expenditure on other things. I suppose it’s better than us pensioners waking up with them in our bedrooms. So what's the difference between illegal migrants breaking into your house and breaking into your country? Both acts of criminality, no? Did they jemmy open the white cliffs of Dover They turned the alarm off 🤪" It's worse than that even, they get transported to the scene of the crime. | |||
"Of course the illegal immigrants will be warm, they’re way more important than pensioners. Politicians & their thugs in the police are going to lose control soon I fear as people’s rage at this is building to a head. One day something will spark it and it will explode into widespread riots because we’re being driven to the brink. Why are these things related? Do you think if the government demonised immigrants even more, then they would magically suddenly care about pensioners? I find this argument bizarre to the extreme. They are related in the sense that they are competing demands on a finite pot of cash. Asylum seeker accommodation costs the taxpayer around £3 billion a year. So it's valid to say pensioner fuel allowance was cut to fund expenditure on other things. But you could pick anything, why are we paying for rural streets to be illuminated when pensioners aren't going cold. Sure you can, they are all valid comparisons. So which would you cut to fund asylum seeker accommodation if not pensioner's fuel? Neither. We don't need to choose between the two. This is the lowest common denominator argument. Usually employed by people quite happy that we're spunking billions down the Brexit toilet every year, yet for some unknown reason we're supposed to choose between grannies and immigrants." But WE MUST choose, that's the point. It's La La Land to think there is a magic money tree to pay for endless public services and welfare. | |||
"Of course the illegal immigrants will be warm, they’re way more important than pensioners. Politicians & their thugs in the police are going to lose control soon I fear as people’s rage at this is building to a head. One day something will spark it and it will explode into widespread riots because we’re being driven to the brink. Why are these things related? Do you think if the government demonised immigrants even more, then they would magically suddenly care about pensioners? I find this argument bizarre to the extreme. They are related in the sense that they are competing demands on a finite pot of cash. Asylum seeker accommodation costs the taxpayer around £3 billion a year. So it's valid to say pensioner fuel allowance was cut to fund expenditure on other things. But you could pick anything, why are we paying for rural streets to be illuminated when pensioners aren't going cold. Sure you can, they are all valid comparisons. So which would you cut to fund asylum seeker accommodation if not pensioner's fuel? Neither. We don't need to choose between the two. This is the lowest common denominator argument. Usually employed by people quite happy that we're spunking billions down the Brexit toilet every year, yet for some unknown reason we're supposed to choose between grannies and immigrants. But WE MUST choose, that's the point. It's La La Land to think there is a magic money tree to pay for endless public services and welfare. " Choose grannies Inc asylum grannies. Just forget the grandads, they're not as cute  | |||
"Of course the illegal immigrants will be warm, they’re way more important than pensioners. Politicians & their thugs in the police are going to lose control soon I fear as people’s rage at this is building to a head. One day something will spark it and it will explode into widespread riots because we’re being driven to the brink. Why are these things related? Do you think if the government demonised immigrants even more, then they would magically suddenly care about pensioners? I find this argument bizarre to the extreme. They are related in the sense that they are competing demands on a finite pot of cash. Asylum seeker accommodation costs the taxpayer around £3 billion a year. So it's valid to say pensioner fuel allowance was cut to fund expenditure on other things. But you could pick anything, why are we paying for rural streets to be illuminated when pensioners aren't going cold. Sure you can, they are all valid comparisons. So which would you cut to fund asylum seeker accommodation if not pensioner's fuel? Neither. We don't need to choose between the two. This is the lowest common denominator argument. Usually employed by people quite happy that we're spunking billions down the Brexit toilet every year, yet for some unknown reason we're supposed to choose between grannies and immigrants. But WE MUST choose, that's the point. It's La La Land to think there is a magic money tree to pay for endless public services and welfare. " Sort out tax fraud, that’s £20 billion. Let’s be honest, asylum seekers coming here by boat is low down on ‘normal’ people’s priorities as proved by the last election | |||
"Of course the illegal immigrants will be warm, they’re way more important than pensioners. Politicians & their thugs in the police are going to lose control soon I fear as people’s rage at this is building to a head. One day something will spark it and it will explode into widespread riots because we’re being driven to the brink. Why are these things related? Do you think if the government demonised immigrants even more, then they would magically suddenly care about pensioners? I find this argument bizarre to the extreme. They are related in the sense that they are competing demands on a finite pot of cash. Asylum seeker accommodation costs the taxpayer around £3 billion a year. So it's valid to say pensioner fuel allowance was cut to fund expenditure on other things. But you could pick anything, why are we paying for rural streets to be illuminated when pensioners aren't going cold. Sure you can, they are all valid comparisons. So which would you cut to fund asylum seeker accommodation if not pensioner's fuel?" I would slash benefits. Too many people who could be working, but aren’t. | |||
"Of course the illegal immigrants will be warm, they’re way more important than pensioners. Politicians & their thugs in the police are going to lose control soon I fear as people’s rage at this is building to a head. One day something will spark it and it will explode into widespread riots because we’re being driven to the brink. Why are these things related? Do you think if the government demonised immigrants even more, then they would magically suddenly care about pensioners? I find this argument bizarre to the extreme. They are related in the sense that they are competing demands on a finite pot of cash. Asylum seeker accommodation costs the taxpayer around £3 billion a year. So it's valid to say pensioner fuel allowance was cut to fund expenditure on other things. But you could pick anything, why are we paying for rural streets to be illuminated when pensioners aren't going cold. Sure you can, they are all valid comparisons. So which would you cut to fund asylum seeker accommodation if not pensioner's fuel? Neither. We don't need to choose between the two. This is the lowest common denominator argument. Usually employed by people quite happy that we're spunking billions down the Brexit toilet every year, yet for some unknown reason we're supposed to choose between grannies and immigrants." Agreed. It’s a completely false argument. | |||
"Of course the illegal immigrants will be warm, they’re way more important than pensioners. Politicians & their thugs in the police are going to lose control soon I fear as people’s rage at this is building to a head. One day something will spark it and it will explode into widespread riots because we’re being driven to the brink. Why are these things related? Do you think if the government demonised immigrants even more, then they would magically suddenly care about pensioners? I find this argument bizarre to the extreme. They are related in the sense that they are competing demands on a finite pot of cash. Asylum seeker accommodation costs the taxpayer around £3 billion a year. So it's valid to say pensioner fuel allowance was cut to fund expenditure on other things. But you could pick anything, why are we paying for rural streets to be illuminated when pensioners aren't going cold. Sure you can, they are all valid comparisons. So which would you cut to fund asylum seeker accommodation if not pensioner's fuel? I would slash benefits. Too many people who could be working, but aren’t. " Because you get far more not working than you do by being employed. It's a fallacy that most people out of work choose to be unemployed. Mrs x | |||
"Of course the illegal immigrants will be warm, they’re way more important than pensioners. Politicians & their thugs in the police are going to lose control soon I fear as people’s rage at this is building to a head. One day something will spark it and it will explode into widespread riots because we’re being driven to the brink. Why are these things related? Do you think if the government demonised immigrants even more, then they would magically suddenly care about pensioners? I find this argument bizarre to the extreme. They are related in the sense that they are competing demands on a finite pot of cash. Asylum seeker accommodation costs the taxpayer around £3 billion a year. So it's valid to say pensioner fuel allowance was cut to fund expenditure on other things. But you could pick anything, why are we paying for rural streets to be illuminated when pensioners aren't going cold. Sure you can, they are all valid comparisons. So which would you cut to fund asylum seeker accommodation if not pensioner's fuel? Neither. We don't need to choose between the two. This is the lowest common denominator argument. Usually employed by people quite happy that we're spunking billions down the Brexit toilet every year, yet for some unknown reason we're supposed to choose between grannies and immigrants. But WE MUST choose, that's the point. It's La La Land to think there is a magic money tree to pay for endless public services and welfare. " No, it's a utterly moronic point designed specifically to push the blame for anything and everything onto immigrants. | |||
"Of course the illegal immigrants will be warm, they’re way more important than pensioners. Politicians & their thugs in the police are going to lose control soon I fear as people’s rage at this is building to a head. One day something will spark it and it will explode into widespread riots because we’re being driven to the brink. Why are these things related? Do you think if the government demonised immigrants even more, then they would magically suddenly care about pensioners? I find this argument bizarre to the extreme. They are related in the sense that they are competing demands on a finite pot of cash. Asylum seeker accommodation costs the taxpayer around £3 billion a year. So it's valid to say pensioner fuel allowance was cut to fund expenditure on other things. But you could pick anything, why are we paying for rural streets to be illuminated when pensioners aren't going cold. Sure you can, they are all valid comparisons. So which would you cut to fund asylum seeker accommodation if not pensioner's fuel? I would slash benefits. Too many people who could be working, but aren’t. " I would have closed the tax avoidance loopholes. Not hand billions of public money to friends and neighbours of the government for faulty PPE, not have spunked billions into the Brexit turd. But of course this is useless as it doesn't redirect anybody's ire onto immigrants. | |||
"Of course the illegal immigrants will be warm, they’re way more important than pensioners. Politicians & their thugs in the police are going to lose control soon I fear as people’s rage at this is building to a head. One day something will spark it and it will explode into widespread riots because we’re being driven to the brink. Why are these things related? Do you think if the government demonised immigrants even more, then they would magically suddenly care about pensioners? I find this argument bizarre to the extreme. They are related in the sense that they are competing demands on a finite pot of cash. Asylum seeker accommodation costs the taxpayer around £3 billion a year. So it's valid to say pensioner fuel allowance was cut to fund expenditure on other things. But you could pick anything, why are we paying for rural streets to be illuminated when pensioners aren't going cold. Sure you can, they are all valid comparisons. So which would you cut to fund asylum seeker accommodation if not pensioner's fuel? I would slash benefits. Too many people who could be working, but aren’t. I would have closed the tax avoidance loopholes. Not hand billions of public money to friends and neighbours of the government for faulty PPE, not have spunked billions into the Brexit turd. But of course this is useless as it doesn't redirect anybody's ire onto immigrants. " But it directs ire onto the Brexit bogeyman eh? | |||
"Of course the illegal immigrants will be warm, they’re way more important than pensioners. Politicians & their thugs in the police are going to lose control soon I fear as people’s rage at this is building to a head. One day something will spark it and it will explode into widespread riots because we’re being driven to the brink. Why are these things related? Do you think if the government demonised immigrants even more, then they would magically suddenly care about pensioners? I find this argument bizarre to the extreme. They are related in the sense that they are competing demands on a finite pot of cash. Asylum seeker accommodation costs the taxpayer around £3 billion a year. So it's valid to say pensioner fuel allowance was cut to fund expenditure on other things. But you could pick anything, why are we paying for rural streets to be illuminated when pensioners aren't going cold. Sure you can, they are all valid comparisons. So which would you cut to fund asylum seeker accommodation if not pensioner's fuel? I would slash benefits. Too many people who could be working, but aren’t. I would have closed the tax avoidance loopholes. Not hand billions of public money to friends and neighbours of the government for faulty PPE, not have spunked billions into the Brexit turd. But of course this is useless as it doesn't redirect anybody's ire onto immigrants. " That's what every government should prioritise, not targeting the weaker members of society. Mrs x | |||
"Of course the illegal immigrants will be warm, they’re way more important than pensioners. Politicians & their thugs in the police are going to lose control soon I fear as people’s rage at this is building to a head. One day something will spark it and it will explode into widespread riots because we’re being driven to the brink. Why are these things related? Do you think if the government demonised immigrants even more, then they would magically suddenly care about pensioners? I find this argument bizarre to the extreme." This 👆 | |||
"why dont you house a few poor refugees? Oh silly me i pressumed you might of done " I think the state should provide surgical theatres, mental health hospitals, prisons, schools, homes for children in care, universities, etc. I don't think these should be provided via people's spare bedrooms. | |||
"Of course the illegal immigrants will be warm, they’re way more important than pensioners. Politicians & their thugs in the police are going to lose control soon I fear as people’s rage at this is building to a head. One day something will spark it and it will explode into widespread riots because we’re being driven to the brink. Why are these things related? Do you think if the government demonised immigrants even more, then they would magically suddenly care about pensioners? I find this argument bizarre to the extreme. They are related in the sense that they are competing demands on a finite pot of cash. Asylum seeker accommodation costs the taxpayer around £3 billion a year. So it's valid to say pensioner fuel allowance was cut to fund expenditure on other things. But you could pick anything, why are we paying for rural streets to be illuminated when pensioners aren't going cold. Sure you can, they are all valid comparisons. So which would you cut to fund asylum seeker accommodation if not pensioner's fuel? I would slash benefits. Too many people who could be working, but aren’t. I would have closed the tax avoidance loopholes. Not hand billions of public money to friends and neighbours of the government for faulty PPE, not have spunked billions into the Brexit turd. But of course this is useless as it doesn't redirect anybody's ire onto immigrants. But it directs ire onto the Brexit bogeyman eh?" No, it's an actual real life waste of money. | |||
"Of course the illegal immigrants will be warm, they’re way more important than pensioners. Politicians & their thugs in the police are going to lose control soon I fear as people’s rage at this is building to a head. One day something will spark it and it will explode into widespread riots because we’re being driven to the brink. Why are these things related? Do you think if the government demonised immigrants even more, then they would magically suddenly care about pensioners? I find this argument bizarre to the extreme. They are related in the sense that they are competing demands on a finite pot of cash. Asylum seeker accommodation costs the taxpayer around £3 billion a year. So it's valid to say pensioner fuel allowance was cut to fund expenditure on other things. But you could pick anything, why are we paying for rural streets to be illuminated when pensioners aren't going cold. Sure you can, they are all valid comparisons. So which would you cut to fund asylum seeker accommodation if not pensioner's fuel? I would slash benefits. Too many people who could be working, but aren’t. I would have closed the tax avoidance loopholes. Not hand billions of public money to friends and neighbours of the government for faulty PPE, not have spunked billions into the Brexit turd. But of course this is useless as it doesn't redirect anybody's ire onto immigrants. That's what every government should prioritise, not targeting the weaker members of society. Mrs x" Of course. But the classic 'divide and conquer' is a much more effective way to control the population, and convince people to vote against their own interests. | |||
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"Proposal: The government funds only the most critical-for-survival projects (police, basic health, defensive military). Everyone gets to direct a proportion of their tax money to the less-than-essential-for-life projects (arts, welfare beyond subsistence, etc.). Let's see where people put their tax money. Fiscal democracy." I think Mad Max Thunderdome had politics sussed | |||
"Of course the illegal immigrants will be warm, they’re way more important than pensioners. Politicians & their thugs in the police are going to lose control soon I fear as people’s rage at this is building to a head. One day something will spark it and it will explode into widespread riots because we’re being driven to the brink. Why are these things related? Do you think if the government demonised immigrants even more, then they would magically suddenly care about pensioners? I find this argument bizarre to the extreme. They are related in the sense that they are competing demands on a finite pot of cash. Asylum seeker accommodation costs the taxpayer around £3 billion a year. So it's valid to say pensioner fuel allowance was cut to fund expenditure on other things. But you could pick anything, why are we paying for rural streets to be illuminated when pensioners aren't going cold. Sure you can, they are all valid comparisons. So which would you cut to fund asylum seeker accommodation if not pensioner's fuel? I would slash benefits. Too many people who could be working, but aren’t. I would have closed the tax avoidance loopholes. Not hand billions of public money to friends and neighbours of the government for faulty PPE, not have spunked billions into the Brexit turd. But of course this is useless as it doesn't redirect anybody's ire onto immigrants. But it directs ire onto the Brexit bogeyman eh? No, it's an actual real life waste of money. " Maybe, but we should be concerned about ALL wastes of money, then there might not be a need for controversial benefit cuts. | |||
"Of course the illegal immigrants will be warm, they’re way more important than pensioners. Politicians & their thugs in the police are going to lose control soon I fear as people’s rage at this is building to a head. One day something will spark it and it will explode into widespread riots because we’re being driven to the brink. Why are these things related? Do you think if the government demonised immigrants even more, then they would magically suddenly care about pensioners? I find this argument bizarre to the extreme. They are related in the sense that they are competing demands on a finite pot of cash. Asylum seeker accommodation costs the taxpayer around £3 billion a year. So it's valid to say pensioner fuel allowance was cut to fund expenditure on other things. But you could pick anything, why are we paying for rural streets to be illuminated when pensioners aren't going cold. Sure you can, they are all valid comparisons. So which would you cut to fund asylum seeker accommodation if not pensioner's fuel? I would slash benefits. Too many people who could be working, but aren’t. I would have closed the tax avoidance loopholes. Not hand billions of public money to friends and neighbours of the government for faulty PPE, not have spunked billions into the Brexit turd. But of course this is useless as it doesn't redirect anybody's ire onto immigrants. But it directs ire onto the Brexit bogeyman eh? No, it's an actual real life waste of money. Maybe, but we should be concerned about ALL wastes of money, then there might not be a need for controversial benefit cuts." So we shouldn't be hyper focussed on immigrants at all times? | |||
"Proposal: The government funds only the most critical-for-survival projects (police, basic health, defensive military). Everyone gets to direct a proportion of their tax money to the less-than-essential-for-life projects (arts, welfare beyond subsistence, etc.). Let's see where people put their tax money. Fiscal democracy." I'll send all mine to pals of the past government for dodgy PPE. | |||
"Of course the illegal immigrants will be warm, they’re way more important than pensioners. Politicians & their thugs in the police are going to lose control soon I fear as people’s rage at this is building to a head. One day something will spark it and it will explode into widespread riots because we’re being driven to the brink. Why are these things related? Do you think if the government demonised immigrants even more, then they would magically suddenly care about pensioners? I find this argument bizarre to the extreme. They are related in the sense that they are competing demands on a finite pot of cash. Asylum seeker accommodation costs the taxpayer around £3 billion a year. So it's valid to say pensioner fuel allowance was cut to fund expenditure on other things. But you could pick anything, why are we paying for rural streets to be illuminated when pensioners aren't going cold. Sure you can, they are all valid comparisons. So which would you cut to fund asylum seeker accommodation if not pensioner's fuel? I would slash benefits. Too many people who could be working, but aren’t. I would have closed the tax avoidance loopholes. Not hand billions of public money to friends and neighbours of the government for faulty PPE, not have spunked billions into the Brexit turd. But of course this is useless as it doesn't redirect anybody's ire onto immigrants. But it directs ire onto the Brexit bogeyman eh? No, it's an actual real life waste of money. Maybe, but we should be concerned about ALL wastes of money, then there might not be a need for controversial benefit cuts. So we shouldn't be hyper focussed on immigrants at all times? " We shouldn't focus on any single topic e.g, Brexit but nonetheless should be mindful of criminality and feckless waste of taxpayers money. | |||
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"The House of Lords library says the cuts to winter fuel payments will save about £1.4bn a year Migrant hotel costs are reported at £8.2M a day (£2.74bn pa), add the 5000 empty buffer hotel rooms at £600,000 a day (£219M pa) The WFA cut will not cover migrants housing costs " The two issues are unrelated | |||
"Of course the illegal immigrants will be warm, they’re way more important than pensioners. Politicians & their thugs in the police are going to lose control soon I fear as people’s rage at this is building to a head. One day something will spark it and it will explode into widespread riots because we’re being driven to the brink. Why are these things related? Do you think if the government demonised immigrants even more, then they would magically suddenly care about pensioners? I find this argument bizarre to the extreme. They are related in the sense that they are competing demands on a finite pot of cash. Asylum seeker accommodation costs the taxpayer around £3 billion a year. So it's valid to say pensioner fuel allowance was cut to fund expenditure on other things. But you could pick anything, why are we paying for rural streets to be illuminated when pensioners aren't going cold. Sure you can, they are all valid comparisons. So which would you cut to fund asylum seeker accommodation if not pensioner's fuel? I would slash benefits. Too many people who could be working, but aren’t. I would have closed the tax avoidance loopholes. Not hand billions of public money to friends and neighbours of the government for faulty PPE, not have spunked billions into the Brexit turd. But of course this is useless as it doesn't redirect anybody's ire onto immigrants. But it directs ire onto the Brexit bogeyman eh? No, it's an actual real life waste of money. Maybe, but we should be concerned about ALL wastes of money, then there might not be a need for controversial benefit cuts. So we shouldn't be hyper focussed on immigrants at all times? We shouldn't focus on any single topic e.g, Brexit but nonetheless should be mindful of criminality and feckless waste of taxpayers money." Fair enough. Just baffles me how easily people get so wound up by immigrants, and focus on it so hard to the point of obsession | |||
"The House of Lords library says the cuts to winter fuel payments will save about £1.4bn a year Migrant hotel costs are reported at £8.2M a day (£2.74bn pa), add the 5000 empty buffer hotel rooms at £600,000 a day (£219M pa) The WFA cut will not cover migrants housing costs The two issues are unrelated " Agreed, but the question is: ‘Bet migrant hotels are well heated this Winter. So Winter fuel allowance is scrapped’ | |||
"Of course the illegal immigrants will be warm, they’re way more important than pensioners. Politicians & their thugs in the police are going to lose control soon I fear as people’s rage at this is building to a head. One day something will spark it and it will explode into widespread riots because we’re being driven to the brink. Why are these things related? Do you think if the government demonised immigrants even more, then they would magically suddenly care about pensioners? I find this argument bizarre to the extreme. They are related in the sense that they are competing demands on a finite pot of cash. Asylum seeker accommodation costs the taxpayer around £3 billion a year. So it's valid to say pensioner fuel allowance was cut to fund expenditure on other things. But you could pick anything, why are we paying for rural streets to be illuminated when pensioners aren't going cold. Sure you can, they are all valid comparisons. So which would you cut to fund asylum seeker accommodation if not pensioner's fuel? I would slash benefits. Too many people who could be working, but aren’t. I would have closed the tax avoidance loopholes. Not hand billions of public money to friends and neighbours of the government for faulty PPE, not have spunked billions into the Brexit turd. But of course this is useless as it doesn't redirect anybody's ire onto immigrants. But it directs ire onto the Brexit bogeyman eh? No, it's an actual real life waste of money. Maybe, but we should be concerned about ALL wastes of money, then there might not be a need for controversial benefit cuts. So we shouldn't be hyper focussed on immigrants at all times? We shouldn't focus on any single topic e.g, Brexit but nonetheless should be mindful of criminality and feckless waste of taxpayers money. Fair enough. Just baffles me how easily people get so wound up by immigrants, and focus on it so hard to the point of obsession " I find that strange too. And they manage to bring them into almost any conversation … | |||
"The House of Lords library says the cuts to winter fuel payments will save about £1.4bn a year Migrant hotel costs are reported at £8.2M a day (£2.74bn pa), add the 5000 empty buffer hotel rooms at £600,000 a day (£219M pa) The WFA cut will not cover migrants housing costs The two issues are unrelated Agreed, but the question is: ‘Bet migrant hotels are well heated this Winter. So Winter fuel allowance is scrapped’ " I don’t think the government sat down and made their decisions in that way. | |||
"Of course the illegal immigrants will be warm, they’re way more important than pensioners. Politicians & their thugs in the police are going to lose control soon I fear as people’s rage at this is building to a head. One day something will spark it and it will explode into widespread riots because we’re being driven to the brink. Why are these things related? Do you think if the government demonised immigrants even more, then they would magically suddenly care about pensioners? I find this argument bizarre to the extreme. They are related in the sense that they are competing demands on a finite pot of cash. Asylum seeker accommodation costs the taxpayer around £3 billion a year. So it's valid to say pensioner fuel allowance was cut to fund expenditure on other things. " According to left wingers, there is an infinite pot of money somewhere. When you ask them where it is, their response is usually "those rich people". | |||
"Of course the illegal immigrants will be warm, they’re way more important than pensioners. Politicians & their thugs in the police are going to lose control soon I fear as people’s rage at this is building to a head. One day something will spark it and it will explode into widespread riots because we’re being driven to the brink. Why are these things related? Do you think if the government demonised immigrants even more, then they would magically suddenly care about pensioners? I find this argument bizarre to the extreme. They are related in the sense that they are competing demands on a finite pot of cash. Asylum seeker accommodation costs the taxpayer around £3 billion a year. So it's valid to say pensioner fuel allowance was cut to fund expenditure on other things. But you could pick anything, why are we paying for rural streets to be illuminated when pensioners aren't going cold. Sure you can, they are all valid comparisons. So which would you cut to fund asylum seeker accommodation if not pensioner's fuel? I would slash benefits. Too many people who could be working, but aren’t. I would have closed the tax avoidance loopholes. Not hand billions of public money to friends and neighbours of the government for faulty PPE, not have spunked billions into the Brexit turd. But of course this is useless as it doesn't redirect anybody's ire onto immigrants. But it directs ire onto the Brexit bogeyman eh? No, it's an actual real life waste of money. Maybe, but we should be concerned about ALL wastes of money, then there might not be a need for controversial benefit cuts. So we shouldn't be hyper focussed on immigrants at all times? " It's because when you don't even have money to look after your own people, why do you want to spend money on people from other countries. If someone says that he is in debt and needs support and also tells you that he gives away huge amount of money every day in charity, that's the first thing you will ask him to cut. It's just common sense economics. Hard to find in left wing politics though. | |||
"Of course the illegal immigrants will be warm, they’re way more important than pensioners. Politicians & their thugs in the police are going to lose control soon I fear as people’s rage at this is building to a head. One day something will spark it and it will explode into widespread riots because we’re being driven to the brink. Why are these things related? Do you think if the government demonised immigrants even more, then they would magically suddenly care about pensioners? I find this argument bizarre to the extreme. They are related in the sense that they are competing demands on a finite pot of cash. Asylum seeker accommodation costs the taxpayer around £3 billion a year. So it's valid to say pensioner fuel allowance was cut to fund expenditure on other things. But you could pick anything, why are we paying for rural streets to be illuminated when pensioners aren't going cold. Sure you can, they are all valid comparisons. So which would you cut to fund asylum seeker accommodation if not pensioner's fuel? I would slash benefits. Too many people who could be working, but aren’t. I would have closed the tax avoidance loopholes. Not hand billions of public money to friends and neighbours of the government for faulty PPE, not have spunked billions into the Brexit turd. But of course this is useless as it doesn't redirect anybody's ire onto immigrants. But it directs ire onto the Brexit bogeyman eh? No, it's an actual real life waste of money. Maybe, but we should be concerned about ALL wastes of money, then there might not be a need for controversial benefit cuts. So we shouldn't be hyper focussed on immigrants at all times? It's because when you don't even have money to look after your own people, why do you want to spend money on people from other countries. If someone says that he is in debt and needs support and also tells you that he gives away huge amount of money every day in charity, that's the first thing you will ask him to cut. It's just common sense economics. Hard to find in left wing politics though." It's easier for lefties to sit on their hands and look the other way than face 'common sense' realities. Yet look, now they are moaning about tax increases on ordinary people. Beggars belief. | |||
"Of course the illegal immigrants will be warm, they’re way more important than pensioners. Politicians & their thugs in the police are going to lose control soon I fear as people’s rage at this is building to a head. One day something will spark it and it will explode into widespread riots because we’re being driven to the brink. Why are these things related? Do you think if the government demonised immigrants even more, then they would magically suddenly care about pensioners? I find this argument bizarre to the extreme. They are related in the sense that they are competing demands on a finite pot of cash. Asylum seeker accommodation costs the taxpayer around £3 billion a year. So it's valid to say pensioner fuel allowance was cut to fund expenditure on other things. But you could pick anything, why are we paying for rural streets to be illuminated when pensioners aren't going cold. Sure you can, they are all valid comparisons. So which would you cut to fund asylum seeker accommodation if not pensioner's fuel? I would slash benefits. Too many people who could be working, but aren’t. I would have closed the tax avoidance loopholes. Not hand billions of public money to friends and neighbours of the government for faulty PPE, not have spunked billions into the Brexit turd. But of course this is useless as it doesn't redirect anybody's ire onto immigrants. But it directs ire onto the Brexit bogeyman eh? No, it's an actual real life waste of money. Maybe, but we should be concerned about ALL wastes of money, then there might not be a need for controversial benefit cuts. So we shouldn't be hyper focussed on immigrants at all times? It's because when you don't even have money to look after your own people, why do you want to spend money on people from other countries. If someone says that he is in debt and needs support and also tells you that he gives away huge amount of money every day in charity, that's the first thing you will ask him to cut. It's just common sense economics. Hard to find in left wing politics though." It all sounds so simple though. If a universal benefit is to be cut then, it's the bloody foreigners who should suffer the pain first. So let us crank up the hyperbole. There are 3.14 million pensioners in the UK who are millionaires. They are of course absolutely entitled to the heating allowance because of the high cost of heating their mansions. Just imagine how annoying it is for them to have to get their chauffer to push the Afghan woman and her two kids away from their snowy front gates as they exit in their Maybach. They will not stop to ask her why her husband was tortured and shot by the Taliban because he was an interpreter for the British army. They are not interested in the 5 week projected life expectancy of an ex-interpter in that God forsaken country. They want their damn £300, because they pay their Taxes! They are entitled! Sod the fucking foreigners! | |||
"Of course the illegal immigrants will be warm, they’re way more important than pensioners. Politicians & their thugs in the police are going to lose control soon I fear as people’s rage at this is building to a head. One day something will spark it and it will explode into widespread riots because we’re being driven to the brink. Why are these things related? Do you think if the government demonised immigrants even more, then they would magically suddenly care about pensioners? I find this argument bizarre to the extreme. They are related in the sense that they are competing demands on a finite pot of cash. Asylum seeker accommodation costs the taxpayer around £3 billion a year. So it's valid to say pensioner fuel allowance was cut to fund expenditure on other things. But you could pick anything, why are we paying for rural streets to be illuminated when pensioners aren't going cold. Sure you can, they are all valid comparisons. So which would you cut to fund asylum seeker accommodation if not pensioner's fuel? I would slash benefits. Too many people who could be working, but aren’t. I would have closed the tax avoidance loopholes. Not hand billions of public money to friends and neighbours of the government for faulty PPE, not have spunked billions into the Brexit turd. But of course this is useless as it doesn't redirect anybody's ire onto immigrants. But it directs ire onto the Brexit bogeyman eh? No, it's an actual real life waste of money. Maybe, but we should be concerned about ALL wastes of money, then there might not be a need for controversial benefit cuts. So we shouldn't be hyper focussed on immigrants at all times? It's because when you don't even have money to look after your own people, why do you want to spend money on people from other countries. If someone says that he is in debt and needs support and also tells you that he gives away huge amount of money every day in charity, that's the first thing you will ask him to cut. It's just common sense economics. Hard to find in left wing politics though." I don’t agree that the country doesn’t have enough money to look after its own people. | |||
"Of course the illegal immigrants will be warm, they’re way more important than pensioners. Politicians & their thugs in the police are going to lose control soon I fear as people’s rage at this is building to a head. One day something will spark it and it will explode into widespread riots because we’re being driven to the brink. Why are these things related? Do you think if the government demonised immigrants even more, then they would magically suddenly care about pensioners? I find this argument bizarre to the extreme. They are related in the sense that they are competing demands on a finite pot of cash. Asylum seeker accommodation costs the taxpayer around £3 billion a year. So it's valid to say pensioner fuel allowance was cut to fund expenditure on other things. But you could pick anything, why are we paying for rural streets to be illuminated when pensioners aren't going cold. Sure you can, they are all valid comparisons. So which would you cut to fund asylum seeker accommodation if not pensioner's fuel? I would slash benefits. Too many people who could be working, but aren’t. I would have closed the tax avoidance loopholes. Not hand billions of public money to friends and neighbours of the government for faulty PPE, not have spunked billions into the Brexit turd. But of course this is useless as it doesn't redirect anybody's ire onto immigrants. But it directs ire onto the Brexit bogeyman eh? No, it's an actual real life waste of money. Maybe, but we should be concerned about ALL wastes of money, then there might not be a need for controversial benefit cuts. So we shouldn't be hyper focussed on immigrants at all times? It's because when you don't even have money to look after your own people, why do you want to spend money on people from other countries. If someone says that he is in debt and needs support and also tells you that he gives away huge amount of money every day in charity, that's the first thing you will ask him to cut. It's just common sense economics. Hard to find in left wing politics though. It all sounds so simple though. If a universal benefit is to be cut then, it's the bloody foreigners who should suffer the pain first. So let us crank up the hyperbole. There are 3.14 million pensioners in the UK who are millionaires. They are of course absolutely entitled to the heating allowance because of the high cost of heating their mansions. Just imagine how annoying it is for them to have to get their chauffer to push the Afghan woman and her two kids away from their snowy front gates as they exit in their Maybach. They will not stop to ask her why her husband was tortured and shot by the Taliban because he was an interpreter for the British army. They are not interested in the 5 week projected life expectancy of an ex-interpter in that God forsaken country. They want their damn £300, because they pay their Taxes! They are entitled! Sod the fucking foreigners! " I think your view of how millionaires live is a little simplistic. Pretty sure there aren’t 3 million pensioners living in “mansions”, and that they don’t all have chauffeurs. A millionaire might have a home worth 500k and a pension pot of 500k that yields 10-15k per annum. | |||
"Of course the illegal immigrants will be warm, they’re way more important than pensioners. Politicians & their thugs in the police are going to lose control soon I fear as people’s rage at this is building to a head. One day something will spark it and it will explode into widespread riots because we’re being driven to the brink. Why are these things related? Do you think if the government demonised immigrants even more, then they would magically suddenly care about pensioners? I find this argument bizarre to the extreme. They are related in the sense that they are competing demands on a finite pot of cash. Asylum seeker accommodation costs the taxpayer around £3 billion a year. So it's valid to say pensioner fuel allowance was cut to fund expenditure on other things. But you could pick anything, why are we paying for rural streets to be illuminated when pensioners aren't going cold. Sure you can, they are all valid comparisons. So which would you cut to fund asylum seeker accommodation if not pensioner's fuel? I would slash benefits. Too many people who could be working, but aren’t. I would have closed the tax avoidance loopholes. Not hand billions of public money to friends and neighbours of the government for faulty PPE, not have spunked billions into the Brexit turd. But of course this is useless as it doesn't redirect anybody's ire onto immigrants. But it directs ire onto the Brexit bogeyman eh? No, it's an actual real life waste of money. Maybe, but we should be concerned about ALL wastes of money, then there might not be a need for controversial benefit cuts. So we shouldn't be hyper focussed on immigrants at all times? It's because when you don't even have money to look after your own people, why do you want to spend money on people from other countries. If someone says that he is in debt and needs support and also tells you that he gives away huge amount of money every day in charity, that's the first thing you will ask him to cut. It's just common sense economics. Hard to find in left wing politics though. It all sounds so simple though. If a universal benefit is to be cut then, it's the bloody foreigners who should suffer the pain first. So let us crank up the hyperbole. There are 3.14 million pensioners in the UK who are millionaires. They are of course absolutely entitled to the heating allowance because of the high cost of heating their mansions. Just imagine how annoying it is for them to have to get their chauffer to push the Afghan woman and her two kids away from their snowy front gates as they exit in their Maybach. They will not stop to ask her why her husband was tortured and shot by the Taliban because he was an interpreter for the British army. They are not interested in the 5 week projected life expectancy of an ex-interpter in that God forsaken country. They want their damn £300, because they pay their Taxes! They are entitled! Sod the fucking foreigners! " You are taking extreme conditions and fusing them together. The challenge is to build a society that isn’t emotionally driven to the point that reasonable discussion on immigration, and costs are not achievable, that solves nothing. | |||
"Of course the illegal immigrants will be warm, they’re way more important than pensioners. Politicians & their thugs in the police are going to lose control soon I fear as people’s rage at this is building to a head. One day something will spark it and it will explode into widespread riots because we’re being driven to the brink. Why are these things related? Do you think if the government demonised immigrants even more, then they would magically suddenly care about pensioners? I find this argument bizarre to the extreme. They are related in the sense that they are competing demands on a finite pot of cash. Asylum seeker accommodation costs the taxpayer around £3 billion a year. So it's valid to say pensioner fuel allowance was cut to fund expenditure on other things. But you could pick anything, why are we paying for rural streets to be illuminated when pensioners aren't going cold. Sure you can, they are all valid comparisons. So which would you cut to fund asylum seeker accommodation if not pensioner's fuel? I would slash benefits. Too many people who could be working, but aren’t. I would have closed the tax avoidance loopholes. Not hand billions of public money to friends and neighbours of the government for faulty PPE, not have spunked billions into the Brexit turd. But of course this is useless as it doesn't redirect anybody's ire onto immigrants. But it directs ire onto the Brexit bogeyman eh? No, it's an actual real life waste of money. Maybe, but we should be concerned about ALL wastes of money, then there might not be a need for controversial benefit cuts. So we shouldn't be hyper focussed on immigrants at all times? It's because when you don't even have money to look after your own people, why do you want to spend money on people from other countries. If someone says that he is in debt and needs support and also tells you that he gives away huge amount of money every day in charity, that's the first thing you will ask him to cut. It's just common sense economics. Hard to find in left wing politics though. I don’t agree that the country doesn’t have enough money to look after its own people. " This is a pretty open statement. It depends what you mean by 'look after' and 'own people'. Does 'look after' mean funding long term unemployed on benefits? Does 'own people' include Vietnamese, Albanians smuggled into the country then doing the same thing themselves? But yes, the country should be able to provide welfare in hard times for people who've paid into the pot. The fact we can't tells it's own story. | |||
"Of course the illegal immigrants will be warm, they’re way more important than pensioners. Politicians & their thugs in the police are going to lose control soon I fear as people’s rage at this is building to a head. One day something will spark it and it will explode into widespread riots because we’re being driven to the brink. Why are these things related? Do you think if the government demonised immigrants even more, then they would magically suddenly care about pensioners? I find this argument bizarre to the extreme. They are related in the sense that they are competing demands on a finite pot of cash. Asylum seeker accommodation costs the taxpayer around £3 billion a year. So it's valid to say pensioner fuel allowance was cut to fund expenditure on other things. But you could pick anything, why are we paying for rural streets to be illuminated when pensioners aren't going cold. Sure you can, they are all valid comparisons. So which would you cut to fund asylum seeker accommodation if not pensioner's fuel? I would slash benefits. Too many people who could be working, but aren’t. I would have closed the tax avoidance loopholes. Not hand billions of public money to friends and neighbours of the government for faulty PPE, not have spunked billions into the Brexit turd. But of course this is useless as it doesn't redirect anybody's ire onto immigrants. But it directs ire onto the Brexit bogeyman eh? No, it's an actual real life waste of money. Maybe, but we should be concerned about ALL wastes of money, then there might not be a need for controversial benefit cuts. So we shouldn't be hyper focussed on immigrants at all times? It's because when you don't even have money to look after your own people, why do you want to spend money on people from other countries. If someone says that he is in debt and needs support and also tells you that he gives away huge amount of money every day in charity, that's the first thing you will ask him to cut. It's just common sense economics. Hard to find in left wing politics though. I don’t agree that the country doesn’t have enough money to look after its own people. " Debt is almost same as the country's GDP. And the welfare state is breaking down. I don't know how you can say the country has enough money. | |||
"Of course the illegal immigrants will be warm, they’re way more important than pensioners. Politicians & their thugs in the police are going to lose control soon I fear as people’s rage at this is building to a head. One day something will spark it and it will explode into widespread riots because we’re being driven to the brink. Why are these things related? Do you think if the government demonised immigrants even more, then they would magically suddenly care about pensioners? I find this argument bizarre to the extreme. They are related in the sense that they are competing demands on a finite pot of cash. Asylum seeker accommodation costs the taxpayer around £3 billion a year. So it's valid to say pensioner fuel allowance was cut to fund expenditure on other things. But you could pick anything, why are we paying for rural streets to be illuminated when pensioners aren't going cold. Sure you can, they are all valid comparisons. So which would you cut to fund asylum seeker accommodation if not pensioner's fuel? I would slash benefits. Too many people who could be working, but aren’t. I would have closed the tax avoidance loopholes. Not hand billions of public money to friends and neighbours of the government for faulty PPE, not have spunked billions into the Brexit turd. But of course this is useless as it doesn't redirect anybody's ire onto immigrants. But it directs ire onto the Brexit bogeyman eh? No, it's an actual real life waste of money. Maybe, but we should be concerned about ALL wastes of money, then there might not be a need for controversial benefit cuts. So we shouldn't be hyper focussed on immigrants at all times? It's because when you don't even have money to look after your own people, why do you want to spend money on people from other countries. If someone says that he is in debt and needs support and also tells you that he gives away huge amount of money every day in charity, that's the first thing you will ask him to cut. It's just common sense economics. Hard to find in left wing politics though. I don’t agree that the country doesn’t have enough money to look after its own people. " I agree with you. I used to get the WFA and now don't. I am happy to give it up as I want a better NHS. I want all Civil Servants to be paid fairly, like valuable human beings, not like some piece of shit to be scraped off the shoe of a "private sector" King. It is the standard, long standing, Conservative modus operandi, since Margaret Atilla Thatcher to underpay civil servants. This leads to a significant reduction in staff numbers which creates salary savings to be passed on as Tax cuts. The savings are, however, not only salary savings. To spend money the Civil Service needs people to administrate it. So there are capitol saving too. Needless to say, the whole organisation becomes less efficient and in fact more public money is wasted, lost or frequently guided, by ministers, directly to their supporters without due process. Of course the service deteriorates so the responsible ministers announce to the public they are "determined" to find a solution. They then implement a study which has at its (unstated) aim the privitisation of civil service functions. Subsequently, they announce huge ring fenced funding increases, which dazzle the voters, that can only be spent on capital projects. Needless to say there is not enough employees to process the work, so, at the end of the year, they accuse the Civil Service of inefficiency and wheel out the privatisation solution. They tried again this time to do that with the gold nugget of the NHS which American medical companies would love to take over. Sadly for the Conservatives the Doctors and Nurses held out so those plans will gather dust again until 5 or 10 years when we will vote them in again because "Kier Starmer said he would not raise Taxes, and he did" Hopefully, by then, Starmers proposals for reorganising the NHS will have been implemented and we will be getting a better service at lower cost. | |||
"Of course the illegal immigrants will be warm, they’re way more important than pensioners. Politicians & their thugs in the police are going to lose control soon I fear as people’s rage at this is building to a head. One day something will spark it and it will explode into widespread riots because we’re being driven to the brink. Why are these things related? Do you think if the government demonised immigrants even more, then they would magically suddenly care about pensioners? I find this argument bizarre to the extreme. They are related in the sense that they are competing demands on a finite pot of cash. Asylum seeker accommodation costs the taxpayer around £3 billion a year. So it's valid to say pensioner fuel allowance was cut to fund expenditure on other things. But you could pick anything, why are we paying for rural streets to be illuminated when pensioners aren't going cold. Sure you can, they are all valid comparisons. So which would you cut to fund asylum seeker accommodation if not pensioner's fuel? I would slash benefits. Too many people who could be working, but aren’t. I would have closed the tax avoidance loopholes. Not hand billions of public money to friends and neighbours of the government for faulty PPE, not have spunked billions into the Brexit turd. But of course this is useless as it doesn't redirect anybody's ire onto immigrants. But it directs ire onto the Brexit bogeyman eh? No, it's an actual real life waste of money. Maybe, but we should be concerned about ALL wastes of money, then there might not be a need for controversial benefit cuts. So we shouldn't be hyper focussed on immigrants at all times? It's because when you don't even have money to look after your own people, why do you want to spend money on people from other countries. If someone says that he is in debt and needs support and also tells you that he gives away huge amount of money every day in charity, that's the first thing you will ask him to cut. It's just common sense economics. Hard to find in left wing politics though. It all sounds so simple though. If a universal benefit is to be cut then, it's the bloody foreigners who should suffer the pain first. So let us crank up the hyperbole. There are 3.14 million pensioners in the UK who are millionaires. They are of course absolutely entitled to the heating allowance because of the high cost of heating their mansions. Just imagine how annoying it is for them to have to get their chauffer to push the Afghan woman and her two kids away from their snowy front gates as they exit in their Maybach. They will not stop to ask her why her husband was tortured and shot by the Taliban because he was an interpreter for the British army. They are not interested in the 5 week projected life expectancy of an ex-interpter in that God forsaken country. They want their damn £300, because they pay their Taxes! They are entitled! Sod the fucking foreigners! I think your view of how millionaires live is a little simplistic. Pretty sure there aren’t 3 million pensioners living in “mansions”, and that they don’t all have chauffeurs. A millionaire might have a home worth 500k and a pension pot of 500k that yields 10-15k per annum. " 'Millionaire pensioners' are likely 'household millionaires' (divide by 2) Then consider liabilities like future care home costs, healthcare, IHT, CGT etc. Often not much in the pot at the end. | |||
"Of course the illegal immigrants will be warm, they’re way more important than pensioners. Politicians & their thugs in the police are going to lose control soon I fear as people’s rage at this is building to a head. One day something will spark it and it will explode into widespread riots because we’re being driven to the brink. Why are these things related? Do you think if the government demonised immigrants even more, then they would magically suddenly care about pensioners? I find this argument bizarre to the extreme. They are related in the sense that they are competing demands on a finite pot of cash. Asylum seeker accommodation costs the taxpayer around £3 billion a year. So it's valid to say pensioner fuel allowance was cut to fund expenditure on other things. But you could pick anything, why are we paying for rural streets to be illuminated when pensioners aren't going cold. Sure you can, they are all valid comparisons. So which would you cut to fund asylum seeker accommodation if not pensioner's fuel? I would slash benefits. Too many people who could be working, but aren’t. I would have closed the tax avoidance loopholes. Not hand billions of public money to friends and neighbours of the government for faulty PPE, not have spunked billions into the Brexit turd. But of course this is useless as it doesn't redirect anybody's ire onto immigrants. But it directs ire onto the Brexit bogeyman eh? No, it's an actual real life waste of money. Maybe, but we should be concerned about ALL wastes of money, then there might not be a need for controversial benefit cuts. So we shouldn't be hyper focussed on immigrants at all times? It's because when you don't even have money to look after your own people, why do you want to spend money on people from other countries. If someone says that he is in debt and needs support and also tells you that he gives away huge amount of money every day in charity, that's the first thing you will ask him to cut. It's just common sense economics. Hard to find in left wing politics though. I don’t agree that the country doesn’t have enough money to look after its own people. Debt is almost same as the country's GDP. And the welfare state is breaking down. I don't know how you can say the country has enough money." The “welfare state” is one of the biggest problems. Too easy to be long-term unemployed, and widespread abuse if council housing. This is also a ticking timebomb, with costs due to increase hugely in the next few years | |||
"Of course the illegal immigrants will be warm, they’re way more important than pensioners. Politicians & their thugs in the police are going to lose control soon I fear as people’s rage at this is building to a head. One day something will spark it and it will explode into widespread riots because we’re being driven to the brink. Why are these things related? Do you think if the government demonised immigrants even more, then they would magically suddenly care about pensioners? I find this argument bizarre to the extreme. They are related in the sense that they are competing demands on a finite pot of cash. Asylum seeker accommodation costs the taxpayer around £3 billion a year. So it's valid to say pensioner fuel allowance was cut to fund expenditure on other things. But you could pick anything, why are we paying for rural streets to be illuminated when pensioners aren't going cold. Sure you can, they are all valid comparisons. So which would you cut to fund asylum seeker accommodation if not pensioner's fuel? I would slash benefits. Too many people who could be working, but aren’t. I would have closed the tax avoidance loopholes. Not hand billions of public money to friends and neighbours of the government for faulty PPE, not have spunked billions into the Brexit turd. But of course this is useless as it doesn't redirect anybody's ire onto immigrants. But it directs ire onto the Brexit bogeyman eh? No, it's an actual real life waste of money. Maybe, but we should be concerned about ALL wastes of money, then there might not be a need for controversial benefit cuts. So we shouldn't be hyper focussed on immigrants at all times? It's because when you don't even have money to look after your own people, why do you want to spend money on people from other countries. If someone says that he is in debt and needs support and also tells you that he gives away huge amount of money every day in charity, that's the first thing you will ask him to cut. It's just common sense economics. Hard to find in left wing politics though. It all sounds so simple though. If a universal benefit is to be cut then, it's the bloody foreigners who should suffer the pain first. So let us crank up the hyperbole. There are 3.14 million pensioners in the UK who are millionaires. They are of course absolutely entitled to the heating allowance because of the high cost of heating their mansions. Just imagine how annoying it is for them to have to get their chauffer to push the Afghan woman and her two kids away from their snowy front gates as they exit in their Maybach. They will not stop to ask her why her husband was tortured and shot by the Taliban because he was an interpreter for the British army. They are not interested in the 5 week projected life expectancy of an ex-interpter in that God forsaken country. They want their damn £300, because they pay their Taxes! They are entitled! Sod the fucking foreigners! I think your view of how millionaires live is a little simplistic. Pretty sure there aren’t 3 million pensioners living in “mansions”, and that they don’t all have chauffeurs. A millionaire might have a home worth 500k and a pension pot of 500k that yields 10-15k per annum. 'Millionaire pensioners' are likely 'household millionaires' (divide by 2) Then consider liabilities like future care home costs, healthcare, IHT, CGT etc. Often not much in the pot at the end. " … and someone with 1 or 2 million does not have a mansion, a maybach and a chauffeur. They might not even hate foreigners in the way described by the earlier poster! | |||
"Of course the illegal immigrants will be warm, they’re way more important than pensioners. Politicians & their thugs in the police are going to lose control soon I fear as people’s rage at this is building to a head. One day something will spark it and it will explode into widespread riots because we’re being driven to the brink. Why are these things related? Do you think if the government demonised immigrants even more, then they would magically suddenly care about pensioners? I find this argument bizarre to the extreme. They are related in the sense that they are competing demands on a finite pot of cash. Asylum seeker accommodation costs the taxpayer around £3 billion a year. So it's valid to say pensioner fuel allowance was cut to fund expenditure on other things. But you could pick anything, why are we paying for rural streets to be illuminated when pensioners aren't going cold. Sure you can, they are all valid comparisons. So which would you cut to fund asylum seeker accommodation if not pensioner's fuel? I would slash benefits. Too many people who could be working, but aren’t. I would have closed the tax avoidance loopholes. Not hand billions of public money to friends and neighbours of the government for faulty PPE, not have spunked billions into the Brexit turd. But of course this is useless as it doesn't redirect anybody's ire onto immigrants. But it directs ire onto the Brexit bogeyman eh? No, it's an actual real life waste of money. Maybe, but we should be concerned about ALL wastes of money, then there might not be a need for controversial benefit cuts. So we shouldn't be hyper focussed on immigrants at all times? It's because when you don't even have money to look after your own people, why do you want to spend money on people from other countries. If someone says that he is in debt and needs support and also tells you that he gives away huge amount of money every day in charity, that's the first thing you will ask him to cut. It's just common sense economics. Hard to find in left wing politics though. It all sounds so simple though. If a universal benefit is to be cut then, it's the bloody foreigners who should suffer the pain first. So let us crank up the hyperbole. There are 3.14 million pensioners in the UK who are millionaires. They are of course absolutely entitled to the heating allowance because of the high cost of heating their mansions. Just imagine how annoying it is for them to have to get their chauffer to push the Afghan woman and her two kids away from their snowy front gates as they exit in their Maybach. They will not stop to ask her why her husband was tortured and shot by the Taliban because he was an interpreter for the British army. They are not interested in the 5 week projected life expectancy of an ex-interpter in that God forsaken country. They want their damn £300, because they pay their Taxes! They are entitled! Sod the fucking foreigners! I think your view of how millionaires live is a little simplistic. Pretty sure there aren’t 3 million pensioners living in “mansions”, and that they don’t all have chauffeurs. A millionaire might have a home worth 500k and a pension pot of 500k that yields 10-15k per annum. 'Millionaire pensioners' are likely 'household millionaires' (divide by 2) Then consider liabilities like future care home costs, healthcare, IHT, CGT etc. Often not much in the pot at the end. … and someone with 1 or 2 million does not have a mansion, a maybach and a chauffeur. They might not even hate foreigners in the way described by the earlier poster! " This 'hate foreigners' line is always trotted out whenever concerns over immigration (especially asylum seekers) is mentioned. I don't think the vast majority of Brits hate foreigners, far from it. But for sure they don't like being taken for mugs by ruthless criminal gangs. They are different things. | |||
"Of course the illegal immigrants will be warm, they’re way more important than pensioners. Politicians & their thugs in the police are going to lose control soon I fear as people’s rage at this is building to a head. One day something will spark it and it will explode into widespread riots because we’re being driven to the brink. Why are these things related? Do you think if the government demonised immigrants even more, then they would magically suddenly care about pensioners? I find this argument bizarre to the extreme. They are related in the sense that they are competing demands on a finite pot of cash. Asylum seeker accommodation costs the taxpayer around £3 billion a year. So it's valid to say pensioner fuel allowance was cut to fund expenditure on other things. But you could pick anything, why are we paying for rural streets to be illuminated when pensioners aren't going cold. Sure you can, they are all valid comparisons. So which would you cut to fund asylum seeker accommodation if not pensioner's fuel? I would slash benefits. Too many people who could be working, but aren’t. I would have closed the tax avoidance loopholes. Not hand billions of public money to friends and neighbours of the government for faulty PPE, not have spunked billions into the Brexit turd. But of course this is useless as it doesn't redirect anybody's ire onto immigrants. But it directs ire onto the Brexit bogeyman eh? No, it's an actual real life waste of money. Maybe, but we should be concerned about ALL wastes of money, then there might not be a need for controversial benefit cuts. So we shouldn't be hyper focussed on immigrants at all times? It's because when you don't even have money to look after your own people, why do you want to spend money on people from other countries. If someone says that he is in debt and needs support and also tells you that he gives away huge amount of money every day in charity, that's the first thing you will ask him to cut. It's just common sense economics. Hard to find in left wing politics though. It all sounds so simple though. If a universal benefit is to be cut then, it's the bloody foreigners who should suffer the pain first. So let us crank up the hyperbole. There are 3.14 million pensioners in the UK who are millionaires. They are of course absolutely entitled to the heating allowance because of the high cost of heating their mansions. Just imagine how annoying it is for them to have to get their chauffer to push the Afghan woman and her two kids away from their snowy front gates as they exit in their Maybach. They will not stop to ask her why her husband was tortured and shot by the Taliban because he was an interpreter for the British army. They are not interested in the 5 week projected life expectancy of an ex-interpter in that God forsaken country. They want their damn £300, because they pay their Taxes! They are entitled! Sod the fucking foreigners! I think your view of how millionaires live is a little simplistic. Pretty sure there aren’t 3 million pensioners living in “mansions”, and that they don’t all have chauffeurs. A millionaire might have a home worth 500k and a pension pot of 500k that yields 10-15k per annum. 'Millionaire pensioners' are likely 'household millionaires' (divide by 2) Then consider liabilities like future care home costs, healthcare, IHT, CGT etc. Often not much in the pot at the end. … and someone with 1 or 2 million does not have a mansion, a maybach and a chauffeur. They might not even hate foreigners in the way described by the earlier poster! " Did anyone notice the word "hyperbole" above. 
Immigrants are not responsible for the current financial crisis nor for the Conservative proposal to means test the WFA, which has been retained by Starmer. So it would have happened anyway.
Not all pensioner millionaires have mansions or Maybachs and yes there are 3,137,000 in the UK. It would however be fair to say they probably have assets worth around £999,950 more than the refugees. So who is best able to cope without Government handouts? | |||
"Of course the illegal immigrants will be warm, they’re way more important than pensioners. Politicians & their thugs in the police are going to lose control soon I fear as people’s rage at this is building to a head. One day something will spark it and it will explode into widespread riots because we’re being driven to the brink. Why are these things related? Do you think if the government demonised immigrants even more, then they would magically suddenly care about pensioners? I find this argument bizarre to the extreme. They are related in the sense that they are competing demands on a finite pot of cash. Asylum seeker accommodation costs the taxpayer around £3 billion a year. So it's valid to say pensioner fuel allowance was cut to fund expenditure on other things. But you could pick anything, why are we paying for rural streets to be illuminated when pensioners aren't going cold. Sure you can, they are all valid comparisons. So which would you cut to fund asylum seeker accommodation if not pensioner's fuel? I would slash benefits. Too many people who could be working, but aren’t. I would have closed the tax avoidance loopholes. Not hand billions of public money to friends and neighbours of the government for faulty PPE, not have spunked billions into the Brexit turd. But of course this is useless as it doesn't redirect anybody's ire onto immigrants. But it directs ire onto the Brexit bogeyman eh? No, it's an actual real life waste of money. Maybe, but we should be concerned about ALL wastes of money, then there might not be a need for controversial benefit cuts. So we shouldn't be hyper focussed on immigrants at all times? It's because when you don't even have money to look after your own people, why do you want to spend money on people from other countries. If someone says that he is in debt and needs support and also tells you that he gives away huge amount of money every day in charity, that's the first thing you will ask him to cut. It's just common sense economics. Hard to find in left wing politics though. It all sounds so simple though. If a universal benefit is to be cut then, it's the bloody foreigners who should suffer the pain first. So let us crank up the hyperbole. There are 3.14 million pensioners in the UK who are millionaires. They are of course absolutely entitled to the heating allowance because of the high cost of heating their mansions. Just imagine how annoying it is for them to have to get their chauffer to push the Afghan woman and her two kids away from their snowy front gates as they exit in their Maybach. They will not stop to ask her why her husband was tortured and shot by the Taliban because he was an interpreter for the British army. They are not interested in the 5 week projected life expectancy of an ex-interpter in that God forsaken country. They want their damn £300, because they pay their Taxes! They are entitled! Sod the fucking foreigners! I think your view of how millionaires live is a little simplistic. Pretty sure there aren’t 3 million pensioners living in “mansions”, and that they don’t all have chauffeurs. A millionaire might have a home worth 500k and a pension pot of 500k that yields 10-15k per annum. 'Millionaire pensioners' are likely 'household millionaires' (divide by 2) Then consider liabilities like future care home costs, healthcare, IHT, CGT etc. Often not much in the pot at the end. … and someone with 1 or 2 million does not have a mansion, a maybach and a chauffeur. They might not even hate foreigners in the way described by the earlier poster! Did anyone notice the word "hyperbole" above.
Immigrants are not responsible for the current financial crisis nor for the Conservative proposal to means test the WFA, which has been retained by Starmer. So it would have happened anyway.
Not all pensioner millionaires have mansions or Maybachs and yes there are 3,137,000 in the UK. It would however be fair to say they probably have assets worth around £999,950 more than the refugees. So who is best able to cope without Government handouts? "would we travel to another country and expect them to comoletly cover all our expenses while were there? Meanwhile the wife and kids are still back home fighting for their life in a worn torn country? 🤣Yeah right | |||
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"Of course the illegal immigrants will be warm, they’re way more important than pensioners. Politicians & their thugs in the police are going to lose control soon I fear as people’s rage at this is building to a head. One day something will spark it and it will explode into widespread riots because we’re being driven to the brink. Why are these things related? Do you think if the government demonised immigrants even more, then they would magically suddenly care about pensioners? I find this argument bizarre to the extreme. They are related in the sense that they are competing demands on a finite pot of cash. Asylum seeker accommodation costs the taxpayer around £3 billion a year. So it's valid to say pensioner fuel allowance was cut to fund expenditure on other things. But you could pick anything, why are we paying for rural streets to be illuminated when pensioners aren't going cold. Sure you can, they are all valid comparisons. So which would you cut to fund asylum seeker accommodation if not pensioner's fuel? I would slash benefits. Too many people who could be working, but aren’t. I would have closed the tax avoidance loopholes. Not hand billions of public money to friends and neighbours of the government for faulty PPE, not have spunked billions into the Brexit turd. But of course this is useless as it doesn't redirect anybody's ire onto immigrants. But it directs ire onto the Brexit bogeyman eh? No, it's an actual real life waste of money. Maybe, but we should be concerned about ALL wastes of money, then there might not be a need for controversial benefit cuts. So we shouldn't be hyper focussed on immigrants at all times? It's because when you don't even have money to look after your own people, why do you want to spend money on people from other countries. If someone says that he is in debt and needs support and also tells you that he gives away huge amount of money every day in charity, that's the first thing you will ask him to cut. It's just common sense economics. Hard to find in left wing politics though. It all sounds so simple though. If a universal benefit is to be cut then, it's the bloody foreigners who should suffer the pain first. So let us crank up the hyperbole. There are 3.14 million pensioners in the UK who are millionaires. They are of course absolutely entitled to the heating allowance because of the high cost of heating their mansions. Just imagine how annoying it is for them to have to get their chauffer to push the Afghan woman and her two kids away from their snowy front gates as they exit in their Maybach. They will not stop to ask her why her husband was tortured and shot by the Taliban because he was an interpreter for the British army. They are not interested in the 5 week projected life expectancy of an ex-interpter in that God forsaken country. They want their damn £300, because they pay their Taxes! They are entitled! Sod the fucking foreigners! I think your view of how millionaires live is a little simplistic. Pretty sure there aren’t 3 million pensioners living in “mansions”, and that they don’t all have chauffeurs. A millionaire might have a home worth 500k and a pension pot of 500k that yields 10-15k per annum. 'Millionaire pensioners' are likely 'household millionaires' (divide by 2) Then consider liabilities like future care home costs, healthcare, IHT, CGT etc. Often not much in the pot at the end. … and someone with 1 or 2 million does not have a mansion, a maybach and a chauffeur. They might not even hate foreigners in the way described by the earlier poster! This 'hate foreigners' line is always trotted out whenever concerns over immigration (especially asylum seekers) is mentioned. I don't think the vast majority of Brits hate foreigners, far from it. But for sure they don't like being taken for mugs by ruthless criminal gangs. They are different things." Maybe read the post I was referring to. | |||
"We are a soft touch and the illegal immigrants know this. They pay well over the odds to come over in small boats when they could do it for a lot less flying here. I wonder why....maybe it's because they've got something to hide and can throw any identification papers overboard when they see the white cliffs of Dover whereas on a plane it's no passport= no entry." … sooo, they couldn’t fly then, could they! No, they don’t all “have something to hide”. | |||
"Of course the illegal immigrants will be warm, they’re way more important than pensioners. Politicians & their thugs in the police are going to lose control soon I fear as people’s rage at this is building to a head. One day something will spark it and it will explode into widespread riots because we’re being driven to the brink. Why are these things related? Do you think if the government demonised immigrants even more, then they would magically suddenly care about pensioners? I find this argument bizarre to the extreme. They are related in the sense that they are competing demands on a finite pot of cash. Asylum seeker accommodation costs the taxpayer around £3 billion a year. So it's valid to say pensioner fuel allowance was cut to fund expenditure on other things. But you could pick anything, why are we paying for rural streets to be illuminated when pensioners aren't going cold. Sure you can, they are all valid comparisons. So which would you cut to fund asylum seeker accommodation if not pensioner's fuel? I would slash benefits. Too many people who could be working, but aren’t. I would have closed the tax avoidance loopholes. Not hand billions of public money to friends and neighbours of the government for faulty PPE, not have spunked billions into the Brexit turd. But of course this is useless as it doesn't redirect anybody's ire onto immigrants. But it directs ire onto the Brexit bogeyman eh? No, it's an actual real life waste of money. Maybe, but we should be concerned about ALL wastes of money, then there might not be a need for controversial benefit cuts. So we shouldn't be hyper focussed on immigrants at all times? It's because when you don't even have money to look after your own people, why do you want to spend money on people from other countries. If someone says that he is in debt and needs support and also tells you that he gives away huge amount of money every day in charity, that's the first thing you will ask him to cut. It's just common sense economics. Hard to find in left wing politics though. It all sounds so simple though. If a universal benefit is to be cut then, it's the bloody foreigners who should suffer the pain first. So let us crank up the hyperbole. There are 3.14 million pensioners in the UK who are millionaires. They are of course absolutely entitled to the heating allowance because of the high cost of heating their mansions. Just imagine how annoying it is for them to have to get their chauffer to push the Afghan woman and her two kids away from their snowy front gates as they exit in their Maybach. They will not stop to ask her why her husband was tortured and shot by the Taliban because he was an interpreter for the British army. They are not interested in the 5 week projected life expectancy of an ex-interpter in that God forsaken country. They want their damn £300, because they pay their Taxes! They are entitled! Sod the fucking foreigners! You are taking extreme conditions and fusing them together. The challenge is to build a society that isn’t emotionally driven to the point that reasonable discussion on immigration, and costs are not achievable, that solves nothing. " With so many people in a constant state of panic about foreigners/immigrants/asylum seekers/Muslims. It's going to be impossible to have any kind of meaningful conversation. Fear of immigrants is an extremely effective tool for controlling the electorate. There's no way this is going to be given up. | |||
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"They choose to invade our country instead of flying here. WHY?" This! What hope is there for any meaningful dialogue when people say things like this. None. | |||
"Of course the illegal immigrants will be warm, they’re way more important than pensioners. Politicians & their thugs in the police are going to lose control soon I fear as people’s rage at this is building to a head. One day something will spark it and it will explode into widespread riots because we’re being driven to the brink. Why are these things related? Do you think if the government demonised immigrants even more, then they would magically suddenly care about pensioners? I find this argument bizarre to the extreme. They are related in the sense that they are competing demands on a finite pot of cash. Asylum seeker accommodation costs the taxpayer around £3 billion a year. So it's valid to say pensioner fuel allowance was cut to fund expenditure on other things. But you could pick anything, why are we paying for rural streets to be illuminated when pensioners aren't going cold. Sure you can, they are all valid comparisons. So which would you cut to fund asylum seeker accommodation if not pensioner's fuel? I would slash benefits. Too many people who could be working, but aren’t. I would have closed the tax avoidance loopholes. Not hand billions of public money to friends and neighbours of the government for faulty PPE, not have spunked billions into the Brexit turd. But of course this is useless as it doesn't redirect anybody's ire onto immigrants. But it directs ire onto the Brexit bogeyman eh? No, it's an actual real life waste of money. Maybe, but we should be concerned about ALL wastes of money, then there might not be a need for controversial benefit cuts. So we shouldn't be hyper focussed on immigrants at all times? It's because when you don't even have money to look after your own people, why do you want to spend money on people from other countries. If someone says that he is in debt and needs support and also tells you that he gives away huge amount of money every day in charity, that's the first thing you will ask him to cut. It's just common sense economics. Hard to find in left wing politics though. It all sounds so simple though. If a universal benefit is to be cut then, it's the bloody foreigners who should suffer the pain first. So let us crank up the hyperbole. There are 3.14 million pensioners in the UK who are millionaires. They are of course absolutely entitled to the heating allowance because of the high cost of heating their mansions. Just imagine how annoying it is for them to have to get their chauffer to push the Afghan woman and her two kids away from their snowy front gates as they exit in their Maybach. They will not stop to ask her why her husband was tortured and shot by the Taliban because he was an interpreter for the British army. They are not interested in the 5 week projected life expectancy of an ex-interpter in that God forsaken country. They want their damn £300, because they pay their Taxes! They are entitled! Sod the fucking foreigners! I think your view of how millionaires live is a little simplistic. Pretty sure there aren’t 3 million pensioners living in “mansions”, and that they don’t all have chauffeurs. A millionaire might have a home worth 500k and a pension pot of 500k that yields 10-15k per annum. 'Millionaire pensioners' are likely 'household millionaires' (divide by 2) Then consider liabilities like future care home costs, healthcare, IHT, CGT etc. Often not much in the pot at the end. … and someone with 1 or 2 million does not have a mansion, a maybach and a chauffeur. They might not even hate foreigners in the way described by the earlier poster! Did anyone notice the word "hyperbole" above.
Immigrants are not responsible for the current financial crisis nor for the Conservative proposal to means test the WFA, which has been retained by Starmer. So it would have happened anyway.
Not all pensioner millionaires have mansions or Maybachs and yes there are 3,137,000 in the UK. It would however be fair to say they probably have assets worth around £999,950 more than the refugees. So who is best able to cope without Government handouts? "I agree. Fair point. But there is also the question of fairness. People pay their taxes and NI for 40-45 years, part of that contract is that they get certain assistances in retirement. And then , having done their bit, someone changes the rules. I save hard, invest wisely, the bloke next door doesn’t, so he gets WFA and I don’t … (No, I’m not retired or receiving WFA) | |||
"They choose to invade our country instead of flying here. WHY?" Who are “they”? Someone is invading? What? | |||
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"Of course the illegal immigrants will be warm, they’re way more important than pensioners. Politicians & their thugs in the police are going to lose control soon I fear as people’s rage at this is building to a head. One day something will spark it and it will explode into widespread riots because we’re being driven to the brink. Why are these things related? Do you think if the government demonised immigrants even more, then they would magically suddenly care about pensioners? I find this argument bizarre to the extreme. They are related in the sense that they are competing demands on a finite pot of cash. Asylum seeker accommodation costs the taxpayer around £3 billion a year. So it's valid to say pensioner fuel allowance was cut to fund expenditure on other things. But you could pick anything, why are we paying for rural streets to be illuminated when pensioners aren't going cold. Sure you can, they are all valid comparisons. So which would you cut to fund asylum seeker accommodation if not pensioner's fuel? I would slash benefits. Too many people who could be working, but aren’t. I would have closed the tax avoidance loopholes. Not hand billions of public money to friends and neighbours of the government for faulty PPE, not have spunked billions into the Brexit turd. But of course this is useless as it doesn't redirect anybody's ire onto immigrants. But it directs ire onto the Brexit bogeyman eh? No, it's an actual real life waste of money. Maybe, but we should be concerned about ALL wastes of money, then there might not be a need for controversial benefit cuts. So we shouldn't be hyper focussed on immigrants at all times? It's because when you don't even have money to look after your own people, why do you want to spend money on people from other countries. If someone says that he is in debt and needs support and also tells you that he gives away huge amount of money every day in charity, that's the first thing you will ask him to cut. It's just common sense economics. Hard to find in left wing politics though. It all sounds so simple though. If a universal benefit is to be cut then, it's the bloody foreigners who should suffer the pain first. So let us crank up the hyperbole. There are 3.14 million pensioners in the UK who are millionaires. They are of course absolutely entitled to the heating allowance because of the high cost of heating their mansions. Just imagine how annoying it is for them to have to get their chauffer to push the Afghan woman and her two kids away from their snowy front gates as they exit in their Maybach. They will not stop to ask her why her husband was tortured and shot by the Taliban because he was an interpreter for the British army. They are not interested in the 5 week projected life expectancy of an ex-interpter in that God forsaken country. They want their damn £300, because they pay their Taxes! They are entitled! Sod the fucking foreigners! You are taking extreme conditions and fusing them together. The challenge is to build a society that isn’t emotionally driven to the point that reasonable discussion on immigration, and costs are not achievable, that solves nothing. With so many people in a constant state of panic about foreigners/immigrants/asylum seekers/Muslims. It's going to be impossible to have any kind of meaningful conversation. Fear of immigrants is an extremely effective tool for controlling the electorate. There's no way this is going to be given up. " Who is afraid of immigrants? People are pointing out how idiotic it is to take so many people and giving out free money when the country is struggling itself. People are pointing out the stupidity of having open borders. It's not fear. It's just common sense. Not everyone enjoys self-destruction like the progressives do. | |||
"Of course the illegal immigrants will be warm, they’re way more important than pensioners. Politicians & their thugs in the police are going to lose control soon I fear as people’s rage at this is building to a head. One day something will spark it and it will explode into widespread riots because we’re being driven to the brink. Why are these things related? Do you think if the government demonised immigrants even more, then they would magically suddenly care about pensioners? I find this argument bizarre to the extreme. They are related in the sense that they are competing demands on a finite pot of cash. Asylum seeker accommodation costs the taxpayer around £3 billion a year. So it's valid to say pensioner fuel allowance was cut to fund expenditure on other things. But you could pick anything, why are we paying for rural streets to be illuminated when pensioners aren't going cold. Sure you can, they are all valid comparisons. So which would you cut to fund asylum seeker accommodation if not pensioner's fuel? I would slash benefits. Too many people who could be working, but aren’t. I would have closed the tax avoidance loopholes. Not hand billions of public money to friends and neighbours of the government for faulty PPE, not have spunked billions into the Brexit turd. But of course this is useless as it doesn't redirect anybody's ire onto immigrants. But it directs ire onto the Brexit bogeyman eh? No, it's an actual real life waste of money. Maybe, but we should be concerned about ALL wastes of money, then there might not be a need for controversial benefit cuts. So we shouldn't be hyper focussed on immigrants at all times? It's because when you don't even have money to look after your own people, why do you want to spend money on people from other countries. If someone says that he is in debt and needs support and also tells you that he gives away huge amount of money every day in charity, that's the first thing you will ask him to cut. It's just common sense economics. Hard to find in left wing politics though. I don’t agree that the country doesn’t have enough money to look after its own people. I agree with you. I used to get the WFA and now don't. I am happy to give it up as I want a better NHS. I want all Civil Servants to be paid fairly, like valuable human beings, not like some piece of shit to be scraped off the shoe of a "private sector" King. It is the standard, long standing, Conservative modus operandi, since Margaret Atilla Thatcher to underpay civil servants. This leads to a significant reduction in staff numbers which creates salary savings to be passed on as Tax cuts. The savings are, however, not only salary savings. To spend money the Civil Service needs people to administrate it. So there are capitol saving too. Needless to say, the whole organisation becomes less efficient and in fact more public money is wasted, lost or frequently guided, by ministers, directly to their supporters without due process. Of course the service deteriorates so the responsible ministers announce to the public they are "determined" to find a solution. They then implement a study which has at its (unstated) aim the privitisation of civil service functions. Subsequently, they announce huge ring fenced funding increases, which dazzle the voters, that can only be spent on capital projects. Needless to say there is not enough employees to process the work, so, at the end of the year, they accuse the Civil Service of inefficiency and wheel out the privatisation solution. They tried again this time to do that with the gold nugget of the NHS which American medical companies would love to take over. Sadly for the Conservatives the Doctors and Nurses held out so those plans will gather dust again until 5 or 10 years when we will vote them in again because "Kier Starmer said he would not raise Taxes, and he did" Hopefully, by then, Starmers proposals for reorganising the NHS will have been implemented and we will be getting a better service at lower cost. " Good post. I so often see on here posters complaining about public sector pay. They generally point to inefficiencies as a way to explain why Civil Servants/public sector workers should not get better pay (and often imply the whole “you work for me/us” and their posts exude a sense of “you should be grateful for what you get!” attitude. But the whole thing is a circular argument. You get what you pay for! If you want to employ the best and the brightest then pay well. Goodwill and civic duty only goes so far. If your employer (govt) and shareholders (taxpaying public) keep telling you how shit you are and showing how unvalued you are creating a toxic environment, guess what happens? The Civil Service suffered a huge brain drain from 2010 onwards due to pay freezes and changes to T&Cs and pension etc. The entire remuneration package was reduced and became less attractive. The consultancies smelled blood and swooped in to scoop up a lot of these supposedly useless (clue, actually many very talented) Civil Servants with excellent packages, then started selling them back into the Civil Service on consultancy rates costing Govt/Taxpayer far more to literally use the same people (because they tool the knowledge and expertise with them). Some ex-Civil Servants set up their own businesses to exploit the gaps and niches that the Civil Service could no longer attract suitably experienced or skilled people to fill. This is clearly not universal but it is extremely common. | |||
"We are a soft touch and the illegal immigrants know this. They pay well over the odds to come over in small boats when they could do it for a lot less flying here. I wonder why....maybe it's because they've got something to hide and can throw any identification papers overboard when they see the white cliffs of Dover whereas on a plane it's no passport= no entry." Yeah just pop on the Ryanair flight from Kabul to Manchester. | |||
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"Meanwhile our streets are strewn with rough sleepers,millions of our children live in poverty,some of our OAP's will freeze to death because they can't afford to put the heating on. Meanwhile illegal immigrants are kept in 4 star hotels warm and fed at the taxpayers expense,it just isn't fair." Not only isn't it fair. But it also isn't true either. So no need to panic. | |||
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"We are a soft touch and the illegal immigrants know this. They pay well over the odds to come over in small boats when they could do it for a lot less flying here. I wonder why....maybe it's because they've got something to hide and can throw any identification papers overboard when they see the white cliffs of Dover whereas on a plane it's no passport= no entry. Yeah just pop on the Ryanair flight from Kabul to Manchester." ceratinly easier than rowing here across the channel whilst trying to keep your iPhone dry | |||
"Which part isn't true?" 1. Four star hotels housing immigrants. This originated in the Sun, and it was a hotel that used to be four stars many years ago, but no longer is. 2. A bizarre, and completely false, choice you present between helping homeless/OAPs/children living in poverty, and immigrants. | |||
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"We are a soft touch and the illegal immigrants know this. They pay well over the odds to come over in small boats when they could do it for a lot less flying here. I wonder why....maybe it's because they've got something to hide and can throw any identification papers overboard when they see the white cliffs of Dover whereas on a plane it's no passport= no entry. Yeah just pop on the Ryanair flight from Kabul to Manchester.ceratinly easier than rowing here across the channel whilst trying to keep your iPhone dry " A flight that doesn't exist is easier than rowing across the channel? Again. This is why no sensible conversation can be had about immigrants. | |||
"Four star hotels are being used as I know of 2 near me." Can you link me to the information? | |||
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"We are a soft touch and the illegal immigrants know this. They pay well over the odds to come over in small boats when they could do it for a lot less flying here. I wonder why....maybe it's because they've got something to hide and can throw any identification papers overboard when they see the white cliffs of Dover whereas on a plane it's no passport= no entry. Yeah just pop on the Ryanair flight from Kabul to Manchester.ceratinly easier than rowing here across the channel whilst trying to keep your iPhone dry A flight that doesn't exist is easier than rowing across the channel? Again. This is why no sensible conversation can be had about immigrants." i were been sarcastic but even 2 flights is easier than a however many thousand mile journey? Unless for some reason you dont want to go down the correct channels or you have something to hide 🤷 | |||
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"We are a soft touch and the illegal immigrants know this. They pay well over the odds to come over in small boats when they could do it for a lot less flying here. I wonder why....maybe it's because they've got something to hide and can throw any identification papers overboard when they see the white cliffs of Dover whereas on a plane it's no passport= no entry. Yeah just pop on the Ryanair flight from Kabul to Manchester.ceratinly easier than rowing here across the channel whilst trying to keep your iPhone dry A flight that doesn't exist is easier than rowing across the channel? Again. This is why no sensible conversation can be had about immigrants.i were been sarcastic but even 2 flights is easier than a however many thousand mile journey? Unless for some reason you dont want to go down the correct channels or you have something to hide 🤷" Think about what you're saying for a second. Are there any other reasons why a family fleeing a warzone wouldn't just hop on a flight or two? | |||
"No need to link you to the information as I've seen it with my own eyes." So it's not true then. Fair enough. | |||
"Why don't the Refugees welcome here brigade put them up?" Lowest common denominator argument. Why don't you put up cancer patients in your house? | |||
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"We are a soft touch and the illegal immigrants know this. They pay well over the odds to come over in small boats when they could do it for a lot less flying here. I wonder why....maybe it's because they've got something to hide and can throw any identification papers overboard when they see the white cliffs of Dover whereas on a plane it's no passport= no entry. Yeah just pop on the Ryanair flight from Kabul to Manchester.ceratinly easier than rowing here across the channel whilst trying to keep your iPhone dry A flight that doesn't exist is easier than rowing across the channel? Again. This is why no sensible conversation can be had about immigrants.i were been sarcastic but even 2 flights is easier than a however many thousand mile journey? Unless for some reason you dont want to go down the correct channels or you have something to hide 🤷 Think about what you're saying for a second. Are there any other reasons why a family fleeing a warzone wouldn't just hop on a flight or two?" Vietnam is a warzone? Who knew. Just an apologist for criminality and human trafficking. | |||
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"They choose to invade our country instead of flying here. WHY?" Meanwhile on planet earth there is a REAL invasion happing right now on European soil by Russian and North Korean troops who want to kill Ukrainians and any westerners they can. There's a far bigger threat to your and my own safety by said invasion But hey no let's blame the boat people for all our problems. Pathetic | |||
"They choose to invade our country instead of flying here. WHY? Meanwhile on planet earth there is a REAL invasion happing right now on European soil by Russian and North Korean troops who want to kill Ukrainians and any westerners they can. There's a far bigger threat to your and my own safety by said invasion But hey no let's blame the boat people for all our problems. Pathetic " Well said | |||
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"Of course the illegal immigrants will be warm, they’re way more important than pensioners. Politicians & their thugs in the police are going to lose control soon I fear as people’s rage at this is building to a head. One day something will spark it and it will explode into widespread riots because we’re being driven to the brink. Why are these things related? Do you think if the government demonised immigrants even more, then they would magically suddenly care about pensioners? I find this argument bizarre to the extreme. They are related in the sense that they are competing demands on a finite pot of cash. Asylum seeker accommodation costs the taxpayer around £3 billion a year. So it's valid to say pensioner fuel allowance was cut to fund expenditure on other things. But you could pick anything, why are we paying for rural streets to be illuminated when pensioners aren't going cold. Sure you can, they are all valid comparisons. So which would you cut to fund asylum seeker accommodation if not pensioner's fuel? I would slash benefits. Too many people who could be working, but aren’t. I would have closed the tax avoidance loopholes. Not hand billions of public money to friends and neighbours of the government for faulty PPE, not have spunked billions into the Brexit turd. But of course this is useless as it doesn't redirect anybody's ire onto immigrants. But it directs ire onto the Brexit bogeyman eh? No, it's an actual real life waste of money. Maybe, but we should be concerned about ALL wastes of money, then there might not be a need for controversial benefit cuts. So we shouldn't be hyper focussed on immigrants at all times? It's because when you don't even have money to look after your own people, why do you want to spend money on people from other countries. If someone says that he is in debt and needs support and also tells you that he gives away huge amount of money every day in charity, that's the first thing you will ask him to cut. It's just common sense economics. Hard to find in left wing politics though. It all sounds so simple though. If a universal benefit is to be cut then, it's the bloody foreigners who should suffer the pain first. So let us crank up the hyperbole. There are 3.14 million pensioners in the UK who are millionaires. They are of course absolutely entitled to the heating allowance because of the high cost of heating their mansions. Just imagine how annoying it is for them to have to get their chauffer to push the Afghan woman and her two kids away from their snowy front gates as they exit in their Maybach. They will not stop to ask her why her husband was tortured and shot by the Taliban because he was an interpreter for the British army. They are not interested in the 5 week projected life expectancy of an ex-interpter in that God forsaken country. They want their damn £300, because they pay their Taxes! They are entitled! Sod the fucking foreigners! I think your view of how millionaires live is a little simplistic. Pretty sure there aren’t 3 million pensioners living in “mansions”, and that they don’t all have chauffeurs. A millionaire might have a home worth 500k and a pension pot of 500k that yields 10-15k per annum. 'Millionaire pensioners' are likely 'household millionaires' (divide by 2) Then consider liabilities like future care home costs, healthcare, IHT, CGT etc. Often not much in the pot at the end. … and someone with 1 or 2 million does not have a mansion, a maybach and a chauffeur. They might not even hate foreigners in the way described by the earlier poster! Did anyone notice the word "hyperbole" above.
Immigrants are not responsible for the current financial crisis nor for the Conservative proposal to means test the WFA, which has been retained by Starmer. So it would have happened anyway.
Not all pensioner millionaires have mansions or Maybachs and yes there are 3,137,000 in the UK. It would however be fair to say they probably have assets worth around £999,950 more than the refugees. So who is best able to cope without Government handouts?
I agree. Fair point.
But there is also the question of fairness. People pay their taxes and NI for 40-45 years, part of that contract is that they get certain assistances in retirement. And then , having done their bit, someone changes the rules.
I save hard, invest wisely, the bloke next door doesn’t, so he gets WFA and I don’t …
(No, I’m not retired or receiving WFA) "I have lost count of the number of time I have spoken to 35 to 40s year old with no pension provosion because their money has gone a BMW M3, rented flat and over made up girl friends. Sadly you cannot force them to get a pension; except by NI contributions.
I pay Taxes too, and still do in retirement. They pay for the NHS. They probably pay for medical costs and support costs for an idiot 30 year old who crashed his BMW S 1000 RR at 130mph on a back road and is now a paraplegic for life. I rather give support to a proper refugee from a foreign country than an idiot Brit if we are talking about charity. | |||
"The inn is full and the kitty is empty but yet he were are accepting new lodgers dont panic we'll take some money of the oldies 🤦its a joke " We have a king who sits on a golden throne and wears a golden crown which we pay for, | |||
"The inn is full and the kitty is empty but yet he were are accepting new lodgers dont panic we'll take some money of the oldies 🤦its a joke We have a king who sits on a golden throne and wears a golden crown which we pay for, " Don't forget the cash to bail out his nonce of a brother What an inspiration to the nation | |||
"The inn is full and the kitty is empty but yet he were are accepting new lodgers dont panic we'll take some money of the oldies 🤦its a joke We have a king who sits on a golden throne and wears a golden crown which we pay for, Don't forget the cash to bail out his nonce of a brother What an inspiration to the nation " Exactly, their estates are worth billions | |||
"Only thing that's pathetic is your statement. " Oh get back in your bunker mr terrified | |||
"Of course the illegal immigrants will be warm, they’re way more important than pensioners. Politicians & their thugs in the police are going to lose control soon I fear as people’s rage at this is building to a head. One day something will spark it and it will explode into widespread riots because we’re being driven to the brink. Why are these things related? Do you think if the government demonised immigrants even more, then they would magically suddenly care about pensioners? I find this argument bizarre to the extreme. They are related in the sense that they are competing demands on a finite pot of cash. Asylum seeker accommodation costs the taxpayer around £3 billion a year. So it's valid to say pensioner fuel allowance was cut to fund expenditure on other things. But you could pick anything, why are we paying for rural streets to be illuminated when pensioners aren't going cold. Sure you can, they are all valid comparisons. So which would you cut to fund asylum seeker accommodation if not pensioner's fuel? I would slash benefits. Too many people who could be working, but aren’t. I would have closed the tax avoidance loopholes. Not hand billions of public money to friends and neighbours of the government for faulty PPE, not have spunked billions into the Brexit turd. But of course this is useless as it doesn't redirect anybody's ire onto immigrants. But it directs ire onto the Brexit bogeyman eh? No, it's an actual real life waste of money. Maybe, but we should be concerned about ALL wastes of money, then there might not be a need for controversial benefit cuts. So we shouldn't be hyper focussed on immigrants at all times? It's because when you don't even have money to look after your own people, why do you want to spend money on people from other countries. If someone says that he is in debt and needs support and also tells you that he gives away huge amount of money every day in charity, that's the first thing you will ask him to cut. It's just common sense economics. Hard to find in left wing politics though. It all sounds so simple though. If a universal benefit is to be cut then, it's the bloody foreigners who should suffer the pain first. So let us crank up the hyperbole. There are 3.14 million pensioners in the UK who are millionaires. They are of course absolutely entitled to the heating allowance because of the high cost of heating their mansions. Just imagine how annoying it is for them to have to get their chauffer to push the Afghan woman and her two kids away from their snowy front gates as they exit in their Maybach. They will not stop to ask her why her husband was tortured and shot by the Taliban because he was an interpreter for the British army. They are not interested in the 5 week projected life expectancy of an ex-interpter in that God forsaken country. They want their damn £300, because they pay their Taxes! They are entitled! Sod the fucking foreigners! I think your view of how millionaires live is a little simplistic. Pretty sure there aren’t 3 million pensioners living in “mansions”, and that they don’t all have chauffeurs. A millionaire might have a home worth 500k and a pension pot of 500k that yields 10-15k per annum. 'Millionaire pensioners' are likely 'household millionaires' (divide by 2) Then consider liabilities like future care home costs, healthcare, IHT, CGT etc. Often not much in the pot at the end. … and someone with 1 or 2 million does not have a mansion, a maybach and a chauffeur. They might not even hate foreigners in the way described by the earlier poster! Did anyone notice the word "hyperbole" above.
Immigrants are not responsible for the current financial crisis nor for the Conservative proposal to means test the WFA, which has been retained by Starmer. So it would have happened anyway.
Not all pensioner millionaires have mansions or Maybachs and yes there are 3,137,000 in the UK. It would however be fair to say they probably have assets worth around £999,950 more than the refugees. So who is best able to cope without Government handouts?
I agree. Fair point.
But there is also the question of fairness. People pay their taxes and NI for 40-45 years, part of that contract is that they get certain assistances in retirement. And then , having done their bit, someone changes the rules.
I save hard, invest wisely, the bloke next door doesn’t, so he gets WFA and I don’t …
(No, I’m not retired or receiving WFA)
I have lost count of the number of time I have spoken to 35 to 40s year old with no pension provosion because their money has gone a BMW M3, rented flat and over made up girl friends. Sadly you cannot force them to get a pension; except by NI contributions.
I pay Taxes too, and still do in retirement. They pay for the NHS. They probably pay for medical costs and support costs for an idiot 30 year old who crashed his BMW S 1000 RR at 130mph on a back road and is now a paraplegic for life. I rather give support to a proper refugee from a foreign country than an idiot Brit if we are talking about charity."not often a bike crashes like that theyre normally involved with another motorist if were been silly | |||
"Why don't the Refugees welcome here brigade put them up? Lowest common denominator argument. Why don't you put up cancer patients in your house?" People who care about it donate their own money. They don't go around forcing others to pay for it. Unlike the left wingers who pretend like they care about issues but wouldn't pay a pound from their own pockets. | |||
"Meanwhile our streets are strewn with rough sleepers,millions of our children live in poverty,some of our OAP's will freeze to death because they can't afford to put the heating on. Meanwhile illegal immigrants are kept in 4 star hotels warm and fed at the taxpayers expense,it just isn't fair. Not only isn't it fair. But it also isn't true either. So no need to panic. "Which part of it is lie? It's well documented that 4 star hotels were used. Not sure why you are trying to hide facts | |||
"Why don't the Refugees welcome here brigade put them up? Lowest common denominator argument. Why don't you put up cancer patients in your house? People who care about it donate their own money. They don't go around forcing others to pay for it. Unlike the left wingers who pretend like they care about issues but wouldn't pay a pound from their own pockets." Have you housed any homeless veterans? | |||
