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“The Tories only funded the £2 fare cap until the end of 2024, and therefore that is the end of the funding in relation to the £2 bus fare,” Starmer said.
“I do know that this matters, particularly in rural buses, and that’s why I’m able to say to you this morning that in the budget, we will announce there’ll be a £3 cap on bus fares until the end of 2025, because I know how important it is. So that’ll be there in the budget on Wednesday.”
£1 increase (50%) on bus fares, and £40bn of tax rises. who is he kidding |
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"On the 5th October 2023 the conservatives announced the cap on bus fares would be lifted from the 1st January 2025.
And Labour couldn't defer that?"
They partly did. The extended the cap until the end of 2025. £3 is still capped. |
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There isn’t any really radical thinking regarding public transport.
Much better to raise council tax by (say) £500 per property then make all the buses, trams and local trains free.
More people would use them as they would have already paid for them. Reducing pollution and congestion. |
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"There isn’t any really radical thinking regarding public transport.
Much better to raise council tax by (say) £500 per property then make all the buses, trams and local trains free.
More people would use them as they would have already paid for them. Reducing pollution and congestion."
Ah you're talking about European levels of taxation there. Our historically high average tax take is apparently 37% were as in Europe it is between 39% and 49%.
Unfortunately in this country we complain about our infrastructure and our taxes in the same breath. |
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"There isn’t any really radical thinking regarding public transport.
Much better to raise council tax by (say) £500 per property then make all the buses, trams and local trains free.
More people would use them as they would have already paid for them. Reducing pollution and congestion.
Ah you're talking about European levels of taxation there. Our historically high average tax take is apparently 37% were as in Europe it is between 39% and 49%.
Unfortunately in this country we complain about our infrastructure and our taxes in the same breath."
But how many of those countries are giving money away even borrowed money 🤷♂️ |
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"On the 5th October 2023 the conservatives announced the cap on bus fares would be lifted from the 1st January 2025.
And Labour couldn't defer that?
They partly did. The extended the cap until the end of 2025. £3 is still capped."
They raised it.
Yes it's still a cap but it's a 50% raise.
Spin it how you like... |
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"There isn’t any really radical thinking regarding public transport.
Much better to raise council tax by (say) £500 per property then make all the buses, trams and local trains free.
More people would use them as they would have already paid for them. Reducing pollution and congestion.
Ah you're talking about European levels of taxation there. Our historically high average tax take is apparently 37% were as in Europe it is between 39% and 49%.
Unfortunately in this country we complain about our infrastructure and our taxes in the same breath.
But how many of those countries are giving money away even borrowed money 🤷♂️"
All countries borrow money. |
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"There isn’t any really radical thinking regarding public transport.
Much better to raise council tax by (say) £500 per property then make all the buses, trams and local trains free.
More people would use them as they would have already paid for them. Reducing pollution and congestion.
Ah you're talking about European levels of taxation there. Our historically high average tax take is apparently 37% were as in Europe it is between 39% and 49%.
Unfortunately in this country we complain about our infrastructure and our taxes in the same breath.
But how many of those countries are giving money away even borrowed money 🤷♂️
All countries borrow money."
Yes but do they then give it away ? 🤦
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If i were running a business that were in debt i very much doubt the bank would lend me money to give to charity, let alone a foreign one, but then i can force all my customers to pay 50% extra to cover it 😂and these people running the country are meant to be smart and well educated? |
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"There isn’t any really radical thinking regarding public transport.
Much better to raise council tax by (say) £500 per property then make all the buses, trams and local trains free.
More people would use them as they would have already paid for them. Reducing pollution and congestion.
Ah you're talking about European levels of taxation there. Our historically high average tax take is apparently 37% were as in Europe it is between 39% and 49%.
Unfortunately in this country we complain about our infrastructure and our taxes in the same breath.
But how many of those countries are giving money away even borrowed money 🤷♂️
All countries borrow money.
Yes but do they then give it away ? 🤦
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What do you mean by giving it away? |
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"There isn’t any really radical thinking regarding public transport.
Much better to raise council tax by (say) £500 per property then make all the buses, trams and local trains free.
More people would use them as they would have already paid for them. Reducing pollution and congestion.
Ah you're talking about European levels of taxation there. Our historically high average tax take is apparently 37% were as in Europe it is between 39% and 49%.
Unfortunately in this country we complain about our infrastructure and our taxes in the same breath.
But how many of those countries are giving money away even borrowed money 🤷♂️
All countries borrow money.
Yes but do they then give it away ? 🤦
What do you mean by giving it away?"
Our governments give billions away to other countries every year but can’t even provide for its own people.
Labour are doing the same with scams like the one ed miliband is running also the foreign aid while we have enough breaking into this country on a daily basis.
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"If i were running a business that were in debt i very much doubt the bank would lend me money to give to charity, let alone a foreign one, but then i can force all my customers to pay 50% extra to cover it 😂and these people running the country are meant to be smart and well educated? "
If you made a movie about it nobody would believe it 🤣🤣🤣 |
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"There isn’t any really radical thinking regarding public transport.
Much better to raise council tax by (say) £500 per property then make all the buses, trams and local trains free.
More people would use them as they would have already paid for them. Reducing pollution and congestion.
Ah you're talking about European levels of taxation there. Our historically high average tax take is apparently 37% were as in Europe it is between 39% and 49%.
Unfortunately in this country we complain about our infrastructure and our taxes in the same breath.
But how many of those countries are giving money away even borrowed money 🤷♂️
All countries borrow money.
Yes but do they then give it away ? 🤦
What do you mean by giving it away?
Our governments give billions away to other countries every year but can’t even provide for its own people.
Labour are doing the same with scams like the one ed miliband is running also the foreign aid while we have enough breaking into this country on a daily basis.
"
As far as foreign aide is concerned We give 0.70% of gross national income. Germany give 0.67 Norway give 0.99 Sweden give 1.02 Italy give 0.30 Netherlands give 0.60 Denmark 0.74 Spain give 0.20 Belgium 0.45 US 0.18.
So we don't give the most but not the least either. |
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"There isn’t any really radical thinking regarding public transport.
Much better to raise council tax by (say) £500 per property then make all the buses, trams and local trains free.
More people would use them as they would have already paid for them. Reducing pollution and congestion.
Ah you're talking about European levels of taxation there. Our historically high average tax take is apparently 37% were as in Europe it is between 39% and 49%.
Unfortunately in this country we complain about our infrastructure and our taxes in the same breath.
But how many of those countries are giving money away even borrowed money 🤷♂️
All countries borrow money.
Yes but do they then give it away ? 🤦
What do you mean by giving it away?
Our governments give billions away to other countries every year but can’t even provide for its own people.
Labour are doing the same with scams like the one ed miliband is running also the foreign aid while we have enough breaking into this country on a daily basis.
As far as foreign aide is concerned We give 0.70% of gross national income. Germany give 0.67 Norway give 0.99 Sweden give 1.02 Italy give 0.30 Netherlands give 0.60 Denmark 0.74 Spain give 0.20 Belgium 0.45 US 0.18.
So we don't give the most but not the least either."
how much do poland give because their economy us booming 🤔🤔 |
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"There isn’t any really radical thinking regarding public transport.
Much better to raise council tax by (say) £500 per property then make all the buses, trams and local trains free.
More people would use them as they would have already paid for them. Reducing pollution and congestion.
Ah you're talking about European levels of taxation there. Our historically high average tax take is apparently 37% were as in Europe it is between 39% and 49%.
Unfortunately in this country we complain about our infrastructure and our taxes in the same breath.
But how many of those countries are giving money away even borrowed money 🤷♂️
All countries borrow money.
Yes but do they then give it away ? 🤦
What do you mean by giving it away?
Our governments give billions away to other countries every year but can’t even provide for its own people.
Labour are doing the same with scams like the one ed miliband is running also the foreign aid while we have enough breaking into this country on a daily basis.
As far as foreign aide is concerned We give 0.70% of gross national income. Germany give 0.67 Norway give 0.99 Sweden give 1.02 Italy give 0.30 Netherlands give 0.60 Denmark 0.74 Spain give 0.20 Belgium 0.45 US 0.18.
So we don't give the most but not the least either.how much do poland give because their economy us booming 🤔🤔"
Probably very little because not so long ago they were recipients along with large investments from the EU. |
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"On the 5th October 2023 the conservatives announced the cap on bus fares would be lifted from the 1st January 2025.
And Labour couldn't defer that?
They partly did. The extended the cap until the end of 2025. £3 is still capped."
Massive increase though |
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"On the 5th October 2023 the conservatives announced the cap on bus fares would be lifted from the 1st January 2025.
And Labour couldn't defer that?
They partly did. The extended the cap until the end of 2025. £3 is still capped.
Massive increase though "
Not if you live in greater Manchester |
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"There isn’t any really radical thinking regarding public transport.
Much better to raise council tax by (say) £500 per property then make all the buses, trams and local trains free.
More people would use them as they would have already paid for them. Reducing pollution and congestion.
Ah you're talking about European levels of taxation there. Our historically high average tax take is apparently 37% were as in Europe it is between 39% and 49%.
Unfortunately in this country we complain about our infrastructure and our taxes in the same breath.
But how many of those countries are giving money away even borrowed money 🤷♂️
All countries borrow money.
Yes but do they then give it away ? 🤦
What do you mean by giving it away?
Our governments give billions away to other countries every year but can’t even provide for its own people.
Labour are doing the same with scams like the one ed miliband is running also the foreign aid while we have enough breaking into this country on a daily basis.
As far as foreign aide is concerned We give 0.70% of gross national income. Germany give 0.67 Norway give 0.99 Sweden give 1.02 Italy give 0.30 Netherlands give 0.60 Denmark 0.74 Spain give 0.20 Belgium 0.45 US 0.18.
So we don't give the most but not the least either.how much do poland give because their economy us booming 🤔🤔"
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"On the 5th October 2023 the conservatives announced the cap on bus fares would be lifted from the 1st January 2025.
And Labour couldn't defer that?
They partly did. The extended the cap until the end of 2025. £3 is still capped.
Massive increase though
Not if you live in greater Manchester "
£2 to £3 isn’t a massive increase? |
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"On the 5th October 2023 the conservatives announced the cap on bus fares would be lifted from the 1st January 2025.
And Labour couldn't defer that?
They partly did. The extended the cap until the end of 2025. £3 is still capped.
Massive increase though
Not if you live in greater Manchester
£2 to £3 isn’t a massive increase? "
Nope, it’s staying at £2 here |
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"There isn’t any really radical thinking regarding public transport.
Much better to raise council tax by (say) £500 per property then make all the buses, trams and local trains free.
More people would use them as they would have already paid for them. Reducing pollution and congestion.
Ah you're talking about European levels of taxation there. Our historically high average tax take is apparently 37% were as in Europe it is between 39% and 49%.
Unfortunately in this country we complain about our infrastructure and our taxes in the same breath.
But how many of those countries are giving money away even borrowed money 🤷♂️
All countries borrow money.
Yes but do they then give it away ? 🤦
What do you mean by giving it away?
Our governments give billions away to other countries every year but can’t even provide for its own people.
Labour are doing the same with scams like the one ed miliband is running also the foreign aid while we have enough breaking into this country on a daily basis.
"
Are you suggesting that we stop giving foreign aid? |
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"On the 5th October 2023 the conservatives announced the cap on bus fares would be lifted from the 1st January 2025.
And Labour couldn't defer that?
They partly did. The extended the cap until the end of 2025. £3 is still capped.
Massive increase though
Not if you live in greater Manchester
£2 to £3 isn’t a massive increase? "
I agree, it's a pound. It sounds huge when you can it in % terms but it's a pound, it's not a lot of money |
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"There isn’t any really radical thinking regarding public transport.
Much better to raise council tax by (say) £500 per property then make all the buses, trams and local trains free.
More people would use them as they would have already paid for them. Reducing pollution and congestion.
Ah you're talking about European levels of taxation there. Our historically high average tax take is apparently 37% were as in Europe it is between 39% and 49%.
Unfortunately in this country we complain about our infrastructure and our taxes in the same breath.
But how many of those countries are giving money away even borrowed money 🤷♂️
All countries borrow money.
Yes but do they then give it away ? 🤦
What do you mean by giving it away?
Our governments give billions away to other countries every year but can’t even provide for its own people.
Labour are doing the same with scams like the one ed miliband is running also the foreign aid while we have enough breaking into this country on a daily basis.
Are you suggesting that we stop giving foreign aid? "
I sure as shit would |
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"On the 5th October 2023 the conservatives announced the cap on bus fares would be lifted from the 1st January 2025.
And Labour couldn't defer that?
They partly did. The extended the cap until the end of 2025. £3 is still capped.
Massive increase though
Not if you live in greater Manchester
£2 to £3 isn’t a massive increase?
I agree, it's a pound. It sounds huge when you can it in % terms but it's a pound, it's not a lot of money "
It's a lot of money if you're reliant on the bus twice daily to get to work and back.
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"On the 5th October 2023 the conservatives announced the cap on bus fares would be lifted from the 1st January 2025.
And Labour couldn't defer that?
They partly did. The extended the cap until the end of 2025. £3 is still capped.
Massive increase though
Not if you live in greater Manchester
£2 to £3 isn’t a massive increase?
I agree, it's a pound. It sounds huge when you can it in % terms but it's a pound, it's not a lot of money
It's a lot of money if you're reliant on the bus twice daily to get to work and back.
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No it's not. It's £2 a day max although a return is likely to be less, as is a weekly or mobth ticket. Let's not try and make it worse than it is |
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"On the 5th October 2023 the conservatives announced the cap on bus fares would be lifted from the 1st January 2025.
And Labour couldn't defer that?
They partly did. The extended the cap until the end of 2025. £3 is still capped.
Massive increase though
Not if you live in greater Manchester
£2 to £3 isn’t a massive increase?
I agree, it's a pound. It sounds huge when you can it in % terms but it's a pound, it's not a lot of money
It's a lot of money if you're reliant on the bus twice daily to get to work and back.
No it's not. It's £2 a day max although a return is likely to be less, as is a weekly or mobth ticket. Let's not try and make it worse than it is"
A 50% hike can't get any fucking worse.
It adds up to nearly £500/year. That's a shit ton of money to someone on minimum wage. |
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"On the 5th October 2023 the conservatives announced the cap on bus fares would be lifted from the 1st January 2025.
And Labour couldn't defer that?
They partly did. The extended the cap until the end of 2025. £3 is still capped.
Massive increase though
Not if you live in greater Manchester
£2 to £3 isn’t a massive increase?
I agree, it's a pound. It sounds huge when you can it in % terms but it's a pound, it's not a lot of money
It's a lot of money if you're reliant on the bus twice daily to get to work and back.
No it's not. It's £2 a day max although a return is likely to be less, as is a weekly or mobth ticket. Let's not try and make it worse than it is
A 50% hike can't get any fucking worse.
It adds up to nearly £500/year. That's a shit ton of money to someone on minimum wage. "
Yes it can get worse, it could be more than 50% but it's only a bloody pound FFS. If you can't afford it, make economies elsewhere, get a better paid job, find a cheaper way to get to work but deal with it. It's called life |
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"On the 5th October 2023 the conservatives announced the cap on bus fares would be lifted from the 1st January 2025.
And Labour couldn't defer that?
They partly did. The extended the cap until the end of 2025. £3 is still capped.
Massive increase though
Not if you live in greater Manchester
£2 to £3 isn’t a massive increase?
I agree, it's a pound. It sounds huge when you can it in % terms but it's a pound, it's not a lot of money
It's a lot of money if you're reliant on the bus twice daily to get to work and back.
No it's not. It's £2 a day max although a return is likely to be less, as is a weekly or mobth ticket. Let's not try and make it worse than it is
A 50% hike can't get any fucking worse.
It adds up to nearly £500/year. That's a shit ton of money to someone on minimum wage.
Yes it can get worse, it could be more than 50% but it's only a bloody pound FFS. If you can't afford it, make economies elsewhere, get a better paid job, find a cheaper way to get to work but deal with it. It's called life"
For some people a pound if the difference between heating and eating. |
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"On the 5th October 2023 the conservatives announced the cap on bus fares would be lifted from the 1st January 2025.
And Labour couldn't defer that?
They partly did. The extended the cap until the end of 2025. £3 is still capped.
Massive increase though
Not if you live in greater Manchester
£2 to £3 isn’t a massive increase?
I agree, it's a pound. It sounds huge when you can it in % terms but it's a pound, it's not a lot of money
It's a lot of money if you're reliant on the bus twice daily to get to work and back.
No it's not. It's £2 a day max although a return is likely to be less, as is a weekly or mobth ticket. Let's not try and make it worse than it is
A 50% hike can't get any fucking worse.
It adds up to nearly £500/year. That's a shit ton of money to someone on minimum wage.
Yes it can get worse, it could be more than 50% but it's only a bloody pound FFS. If you can't afford it, make economies elsewhere, get a better paid job, find a cheaper way to get to work but deal with it. It's called life"
It's only a pound here, a pound there and another pound over there.
This is going to hit the worse off the most. Doesn't affect me (I don't use the bus) but to pretend it won't affect others is laughable. |
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"On the 5th October 2023 the conservatives announced the cap on bus fares would be lifted from the 1st January 2025.
And Labour couldn't defer that?
They partly did. The extended the cap until the end of 2025. £3 is still capped.
Massive increase though
Not if you live in greater Manchester
£2 to £3 isn’t a massive increase?
I agree, it's a pound. It sounds huge when you can it in % terms but it's a pound, it's not a lot of money
It's a lot of money if you're reliant on the bus twice daily to get to work and back.
No it's not. It's £2 a day max although a return is likely to be less, as is a weekly or mobth ticket. Let's not try and make it worse than it is
A 50% hike can't get any fucking worse.
It adds up to nearly £500/year. That's a shit ton of money to someone on minimum wage.
Yes it can get worse, it could be more than 50% but it's only a bloody pound FFS. If you can't afford it, make economies elsewhere, get a better paid job, find a cheaper way to get to work but deal with it. It's called life
It's only a pound here, a pound there and another pound over there.
This is going to hit the worse off the most. Doesn't affect me (I don't use the bus) but to pretend it won't affect others is laughable. "
If have to get say to get to work two buses in morning two in evening . Then this becomes four pounds a day. Five days , twenty pounds. Approx £1000 per year. So not just a small increase ? |
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People will stop using the bus, walk, get back in the car or get a lift.
The sensible thing would have been keep it the same or reduce it by 25p for short journeys.
Now buses routes will get cut because no one will use them.
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"So people are complaining about tax rises and cuts in benefits. I’m not sure how they square that circle."
Exactly. Government expenditure is not some bottomless pit, we need mature decisions on welfare, healthcare, security etc or else Labour will put the country into a taxation death spiral. |
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"So people are complaining about tax rises and cuts in benefits. I’m not sure how they square that circle.
Exactly. Government expenditure is not some bottomless pit, we need mature decisions on welfare, healthcare, security etc or else Labour will put the country into a taxation death spiral."
We need a productivity increase in the public sector, it’s become a bloated weight pulling the economy down. |
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"So people are complaining about tax rises and cuts in benefits. I’m not sure how they square that circle.
Exactly. Government expenditure is not some bottomless pit, we need mature decisions on welfare, healthcare, security etc or else Labour will put the country into a taxation death spiral.
We need a productivity increase in the public sector, it’s become a bloated weight pulling the economy down."
A large part of the nation’s debt is due to the taxpayer saving the private sector during Covid. |
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"So people are complaining about tax rises and cuts in benefits. I’m not sure how they square that circle.
Exactly. Government expenditure is not some bottomless pit, we need mature decisions on welfare, healthcare, security etc or else Labour will put the country into a taxation death spiral.
We need a productivity increase in the public sector, it’s become a bloated weight pulling the economy down.
A large part of the nation’s debt is due to the taxpayer saving the private sector during Covid."
I thought the private sector had to be shut down to “Save Our NHS”. Not sure how that’s working out. |
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"So people are complaining about tax rises and cuts in benefits. I’m not sure how they square that circle.
Exactly. Government expenditure is not some bottomless pit, we need mature decisions on welfare, healthcare, security etc or else Labour will put the country into a taxation death spiral.
We need a productivity increase in the public sector, it’s become a bloated weight pulling the economy down.
A large part of the nation’s debt is due to the taxpayer saving the private sector during Covid."
No one had to 'save the private sector', the Govt CHOSE to close all of those businesses. The sector was doing just fine. |
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"On the 5th October 2023 the conservatives announced the cap on bus fares would be lifted from the 1st January 2025.
And Labour couldn't defer that?"
The conservatives were going to remove the cap entirely so that bus companies could push the fares up to anything they liked. Labour are keeping a cap to prevent passengers being hit with massive rises, but having to balance this with some increase to prevent bus services going bankrupt.
Basically this entire country has been drained dry of money by the Tories over the last 14 years. The new government are not perfect, but I feel are at least trying to rebalance matters somewhat. Time will tell. |
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