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By *usybee73 OP Man 3 weeks ago
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This is the shocking moment a Labour MP punched a male constituent and hit him repeatedly while he lay on the ground.
Mike Amesbury had yesterday claimed he was 'threatened' before the attack at 2.15am on Saturday morning in his constituentcy of Runcorn and Helsby, Cheshire.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14007847/Moment-Labour-MP-Mike-Amesbury-sucker-punched-constituent-beat-six-times-lay-ground-caught-shocking-CCTV-footage.html
Seen the footage, and it don't look good, especially if you're jailing people for protesting
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"This is the shocking moment a Labour MP punched a male constituent and hit him repeatedly while he lay on the ground.
Mike Amesbury had yesterday claimed he was 'threatened' before the attack at 2.15am on Saturday morning in his constituentcy of Runcorn and Helsby, Cheshire.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14007847/Moment-Labour-MP-Mike-Amesbury-sucker-punched-constituent-beat-six-times-lay-ground-caught-shocking-CCTV-footage.html
Seen the footage, and it don't look good, especially if you're jailing people for protesting
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People have been jailed for protesting for years and years. What are you talking about?
I'm not reading the Daily Fail, but real news outlets are saying the police are investigating, so let's see what transpired. If he assaulted someone, he's got to go. |
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"This is the shocking moment a Labour MP punched a male constituent and hit him repeatedly while he lay on the ground.
Mike Amesbury had yesterday claimed he was 'threatened' before the attack at 2.15am on Saturday morning in his constituentcy of Runcorn and Helsby, Cheshire.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14007847/Moment-Labour-MP-Mike-Amesbury-sucker-punched-constituent-beat-six-times-lay-ground-caught-shocking-CCTV-footage.html
Seen the footage, and it don't look good, especially if you're jailing people for protesting
People have been jailed for protesting for years and years. What are you talking about?
I'm not reading the Daily Fail, but real news outlets are saying the police are investigating, so let's see what transpired. If he assaulted someone, he's got to go. "
Some more than others mind. It's even been known for politicians to get on their knees in homage to the scoundrels. |
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"This is the shocking moment a Labour MP punched a male constituent and hit him repeatedly while he lay on the ground.
Mike Amesbury had yesterday claimed he was 'threatened' before the attack at 2.15am on Saturday morning in his constituentcy of Runcorn and Helsby, Cheshire.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14007847/Moment-Labour-MP-Mike-Amesbury-sucker-punched-constituent-beat-six-times-lay-ground-caught-shocking-CCTV-footage.html
Seen the footage, and it don't look good, especially if you're jailing people for protesting
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I saw a clip of this but it was just this MP standing over someone and saying that he won't ever threaten an MP again, will you. How the other person came to be on the floor in the first place was not clear from the clip. Given we have had MP's attacked and even killed I can understand the MP defending himself. Question is was he actually attacked physically or just received abuse |
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By *AJMLKTV/TS 3 weeks ago
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The full video shows the victim standing with his hands in his pockets before the thug MP punches him without warning, then continues to hit him after the poor guy's on the floor. Absolutely disgusting behaviour.
https://news.sky.com/video/cctv-shows-labour-mp-mike-amesbury-punching-a-man-in-the-street-13242838 |
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"This is the shocking moment a Labour MP punched a male constituent and hit him repeatedly while he lay on the ground.
Mike Amesbury had yesterday claimed he was 'threatened' before the attack at 2.15am on Saturday morning in his constituentcy of Runcorn and Helsby, Cheshire.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14007847/Moment-Labour-MP-Mike-Amesbury-sucker-punched-constituent-beat-six-times-lay-ground-caught-shocking-CCTV-footage.html
Seen the footage, and it don't look good, especially if you're jailing people for protesting
I saw a clip of this but it was just this MP standing over someone and saying that he won't ever threaten an MP again, will you. How the other person came to be on the floor in the first place was not clear from the clip. Given we have had MP's attacked and even killed I can understand the MP defending himself. Question is was he actually attacked physically or just received abuse"
Watch the full clip. He just lamps the guy and then hits him when he is on the ground.
Come on labour, do the decent thing and sack this thug rather than waiting until you absolutely have to. |
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"The full video shows the victim standing with his hands in his pockets before the thug MP punches him without warning, then continues to hit him after the poor guy's on the floor. Absolutely disgusting behaviour.
https://news.sky.com/video/cctv-shows-labour-mp-mike-amesbury-punching-a-man-in-the-street-13242838"
Thanks for posting.
Wow! I know I’d do prison time and get sacked from my job if that was me. Will watch with interest… |
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I have just watched this cctv footage that shows the initial punch then follow up punches
https://youtu.be/a-rs6dqemTY?si=mtM1e8V3LzVZPM2e
Mike Amesbury will go to jail for this, no ifs or buts, he will be Jailed. |
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"The full video shows the victim standing with his hands in his pockets before the thug MP punches him without warning, then continues to hit him after the poor guy's on the floor. Absolutely disgusting behaviour.
https://news.sky.com/video/cctv-shows-labour-mp-mike-amesbury-punching-a-man-in-the-street-13242838"
Wow that's a damning video. It looks like a sucker punch to the head whilst the guy's hands are in his pocket (or at least by his side). The guy is felled and then punched again. Yet Labour are locking people up for far less. |
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"I have just watched this cctv footage that shows the initial punch then follow up punches
https://youtu.be/a-rs6dqemTY?si=mtM1e8V3LzVZPM2e
Mike Amesbury will go to jail for this, no ifs or buts, he will be Jailed."
Don't be so sure. He has previous with a stalker who was convicted so I'd imagine his defence will be 'felt intimidated and threatened'. |
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"I have just watched this cctv footage that shows the initial punch then follow up punches
https://youtu.be/a-rs6dqemTY?si=mtM1e8V3LzVZPM2e
Mike Amesbury will go to jail for this, no ifs or buts, he will be Jailed."
I know I would serve time if I did that |
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"I have just watched this cctv footage that shows the initial punch then follow up punches
https://youtu.be/a-rs6dqemTY?si=mtM1e8V3LzVZPM2e
Mike Amesbury will go to jail for this, no ifs or buts, he will be Jailed.
Don't be so sure. He has previous with a stalker who was convicted so I'd imagine his defence will be 'felt intimidated and threatened'."
Yes I’m sure he will lawyer-up and come up with the new possible excise he can think of, but no matter what was said to him, there is zero excuse for what we have seen on our screens. |
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"I have just watched this cctv footage that shows the initial punch then follow up punches
https://youtu.be/a-rs6dqemTY?si=mtM1e8V3LzVZPM2e
Mike Amesbury will go to jail for this, no ifs or buts, he will be Jailed.
Don't be so sure. He has previous with a stalker who was convicted so I'd imagine his defence will be 'felt intimidated and threatened'.
Yes I’m sure he will lawyer-up and come up with the new possible excise he can think of, but no matter what was said to him, there is zero excuse for what we have seen on our screens. "
I agree there is zero excuse but unfortunately I don't trust the system enough to actually deal with this. We see hundreds of people receive no custodial daily. |
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"Well the Labour Councillor who on camera encouraged a crowd to cut people's throats is still out on bail months after the event, so I guess this will go to trial some time in 2028."
All those who pleaded not guilty are on bail awaiting trial, but let’s try and stay on thread. |
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"The full video shows the victim standing with his hands in his pockets before the thug MP punches him without warning, then continues to hit him after the poor guy's on the floor. Absolutely disgusting behaviour.
https://news.sky.com/video/cctv-shows-labour-mp-mike-amesbury-punching-a-man-in-the-street-13242838"
What shit will ‘harsh punishment for rioters’ starmer be chatting on this one. |
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Just watched the video now, it's very easy to find
The MP hit a man who was stood in front of him with his hands down (looks like they were in his pockets)
Regardless of what's been said prior there was no direct threat to the MP and after his first punch knocked the man to the floor he carried on striking at a downed man
Pretty clear cut really |
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"This is the shocking moment a Labour MP punched a male constituent and hit him repeatedly while he lay on the ground.
Mike Amesbury had yesterday claimed he was 'threatened' before the attack at 2.15am on Saturday morning in his constituentcy of Runcorn and Helsby, Cheshire.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14007847/Moment-Labour-MP-Mike-Amesbury-sucker-punched-constituent-beat-six-times-lay-ground-caught-shocking-CCTV-footage.html
Seen the footage, and it don't look good, especially if you're jailing people for protesting
I saw a clip of this but it was just this MP standing over someone and saying that he won't ever threaten an MP again, will you. How the other person came to be on the floor in the first place was not clear from the clip. Given we have had MP's attacked and even killed I can understand the MP defending himself. Question is was he actually attacked physically or just received abuse
Watch the full clip. He just lamps the guy and then hits him when he is on the ground.
Come on labour, do the decent thing and sack this thug rather than waiting until you absolutely have to. "
Wow, yes your quite right. It is a shocking video. Apparently he claims self defence but the victim did not do anything physical towards the MP so not sure how he comes to that conclusion. I wonder if the MP was aware it was caught on camera before claiming self defence |
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It would be handy to see more of the video
If the guy that got hit had been abusing the MP online, and had sought the MP out to confront him in person then it indicates the potential of physical aggression
If the man had raised his hands first, or even rushed to approach the MP then I would say the MP is right to be proactive and put down a threat before it escalates
The longest video I can find however is just 2 guys at arms distance, both with their hands down and suddenly the MP hits him
Even then if the other guy is threatening the MP with physical violence you could still consider it as preemptive defence
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"It would be handy to see more of the video
If the guy that got hit had been abusing the MP online, and had sought the MP out to confront him in person then it indicates the potential of physical aggression
If the man had raised his hands first, or even rushed to approach the MP then I would say the MP is right to be proactive and put down a threat before it escalates
The longest video I can find however is just 2 guys at arms distance, both with their hands down and suddenly the MP hits him
Even then if the other guy is threatening the MP with physical violence you could still consider it as preemptive defence
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More likely at 2.15am Amesbury was pissed up and threw the first punch. |
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"It would be handy to see more of the video
If the guy that got hit had been abusing the MP online, and had sought the MP out to confront him in person then it indicates the potential of physical aggression
If the man had raised his hands first, or even rushed to approach the MP then I would say the MP is right to be proactive and put down a threat before it escalates
The longest video I can find however is just 2 guys at arms distance, both with their hands down and suddenly the MP hits him
Even then if the other guy is threatening the MP with physical violence you could still consider it as preemptive defence
More likely at 2.15am Amesbury was pissed up and threw the first punch. "
Potentially, but it's always nice to see more you know
I remember John Prescott decking that guy ages ago after throwing an egg at him
These day's people get done for "assault" for throwing McDonald's banana milkshakes
To be fair it is the worst flavour lol |
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"It would be handy to see more of the video
If the guy that got hit had been abusing the MP online, and had sought the MP out to confront him in person then it indicates the potential of physical aggression
If the man had raised his hands first, or even rushed to approach the MP then I would say the MP is right to be proactive and put down a threat before it escalates
The longest video I can find however is just 2 guys at arms distance, both with their hands down and suddenly the MP hits him
Even then if the other guy is threatening the MP with physical violence you could still consider it as preemptive defence
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Nonsense.
He is an MP he would have received intensive training on how to control himself in the public eye and at worst, calmly defuse the situation.
An attack like this will either be Jail... or the absolute truth of two tier policing.
This will not be swept under the carpet |
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"It would be handy to see more of the video
If the guy that got hit had been abusing the MP online, and had sought the MP out to confront him in person then it indicates the potential of physical aggression
If the man had raised his hands first, or even rushed to approach the MP then I would say the MP is right to be proactive and put down a threat before it escalates
The longest video I can find however is just 2 guys at arms distance, both with their hands down and suddenly the MP hits him
Even then if the other guy is threatening the MP with physical violence you could still consider it as preemptive defence
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Lots of ifs there Nick, what about if he felt threatened he stepped back..
Phone the police..
Walk away..
He lamped him in an attack which whilst we don't know what was said etc is not a defence..
There's no excuses, no mitigation again going from what's available so he's pretty much bang to rights and will face shots coming like anyone else.. |
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"It would be handy to see more of the video
If the guy that got hit had been abusing the MP online, and had sought the MP out to confront him in person then it indicates the potential of physical aggression
If the man had raised his hands first, or even rushed to approach the MP then I would say the MP is right to be proactive and put down a threat before it escalates
The longest video I can find however is just 2 guys at arms distance, both with their hands down and suddenly the MP hits him
Even then if the other guy is threatening the MP with physical violence you could still consider it as preemptive defence
Nonsense.
He is an MP he would have received intensive training on how to control himself in the public eye and at worst, calmly defuse the situation.
An attack like this will either be Jail... or the absolute truth of two tier policing.
This will not be swept under the carpet "
Do they receive training? First I've heard. Jedi mind tricks maybe
Ultimately if you're alone and someone has approached you and you genuinely feel at threat there is nothing wrong in preemptive and proactive self defence
That's why it would be useful to see more of the tape
As I've said the longest video I can see clearly shows 2 men in conversation, with the only physical action coming from the MP, and there's no hint of a threat from the downed man
Further he carries in his attack when the man is downed, holding his hands up to defend himself but looking pretty goddamn defenceless
It's seems clear cut but the devil is in the details and we'll have to see
Frankly if someone is in arm's reach of me and is verbally abusive / threatens violence I'd hit first too so I'm wary to condemn the MP out of hand |
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"It would be handy to see more of the video
If the guy that got hit had been abusing the MP online, and had sought the MP out to confront him in person then it indicates the potential of physical aggression
If the man had raised his hands first, or even rushed to approach the MP then I would say the MP is right to be proactive and put down a threat before it escalates
The longest video I can find however is just 2 guys at arms distance, both with their hands down and suddenly the MP hits him
Even then if the other guy is threatening the MP with physical violence you could still consider it as preemptive defence
Lots of ifs there Nick, what about if he felt threatened he stepped back..
Phone the police..
Walk away..
He lamped him in an attack which whilst we don't know what was said etc is not a defence..
There's no excuses, no mitigation again going from what's available so he's pretty much bang to rights and will face shots coming like anyone else.."
If he step's back and the man step's forward what then
I've seen plenty of people getting hit from behind when trying to walk away.
And relying on police to save you when they might not turn up for an hour is not something I'd do |
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"It would be handy to see more of the video
If the guy that got hit had been abusing the MP online, and had sought the MP out to confront him in person then it indicates the potential of physical aggression
If the man had raised his hands first, or even rushed to approach the MP then I would say the MP is right to be proactive and put down a threat before it escalates
The longest video I can find however is just 2 guys at arms distance, both with their hands down and suddenly the MP hits him
Even then if the other guy is threatening the MP with physical violence you could still consider it as preemptive defence
Lots of ifs there Nick, what about if he felt threatened he stepped back..
Phone the police..
Walk away..
He lamped him in an attack which whilst we don't know what was said etc is not a defence..
There's no excuses, no mitigation again going from what's available so he's pretty much bang to rights and will face shots coming like anyone else..
If he step's back and the man step's forward what then
I've seen plenty of people getting hit from behind when trying to walk away.
And relying on police to save you when they might not turn up for an hour is not something I'd do"
Again if..
But if that did happen he has two options, step further back telling the bloke to back off or he can if against a wall etc push him away..
Keep eye contact and ask loudly for one of the several people standing near to call the police..
And yes the response might take a while but he's done the right thing instead of what he did.. |
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"It would be handy to see more of the video
If the guy that got hit had been abusing the MP online, and had sought the MP out to confront him in person then it indicates the potential of physical aggression
If the man had raised his hands first, or even rushed to approach the MP then I would say the MP is right to be proactive and put down a threat before it escalates
The longest video I can find however is just 2 guys at arms distance, both with their hands down and suddenly the MP hits him
Even then if the other guy is threatening the MP with physical violence you could still consider it as preemptive defence
Lots of ifs there Nick, what about if he felt threatened he stepped back..
Phone the police..
Walk away..
He lamped him in an attack which whilst we don't know what was said etc is not a defence..
There's no excuses, no mitigation again going from what's available so he's pretty much bang to rights and will face shots coming like anyone else..
If he step's back and the man step's forward what then
I've seen plenty of people getting hit from behind when trying to walk away.
And relying on police to save you when they might not turn up for an hour is not something I'd do
Again if..
But if that did happen he has two options, step further back telling the bloke to back off or he can if against a wall etc push him away..
Keep eye contact and ask loudly for one of the several people standing near to call the police..
And yes the response might take a while but he's done the right thing instead of what he did.."
The one thing that we need to remember is that he appears to be slightly the worse for wear so it comes down to a d*unken brawl where he may be at least as guilty of affray as the guy who was decked. |
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"It would be handy to see more of the video
If the guy that got hit had been abusing the MP online, and had sought the MP out to confront him in person then it indicates the potential of physical aggression
If the man had raised his hands first, or even rushed to approach the MP then I would say the MP is right to be proactive and put down a threat before it escalates
The longest video I can find however is just 2 guys at arms distance, both with their hands down and suddenly the MP hits him
Even then if the other guy is threatening the MP with physical violence you could still consider it as preemptive defence
Lots of ifs there Nick, what about if he felt threatened he stepped back..
Phone the police..
Walk away..
He lamped him in an attack which whilst we don't know what was said etc is not a defence..
There's no excuses, no mitigation again going from what's available so he's pretty much bang to rights and will face shots coming like anyone else..
If he step's back and the man step's forward what then
I've seen plenty of people getting hit from behind when trying to walk away.
And relying on police to save you when they might not turn up for an hour is not something I'd do
Again if..
But if that did happen he has two options, step further back telling the bloke to back off or he can if against a wall etc push him away..
Keep eye contact and ask loudly for one of the several people standing near to call the police..
And yes the response might take a while but he's done the right thing instead of what he did..
The one thing that we need to remember is that he appears to be slightly the worse for wear so it comes down to a d*unken brawl where he may be at least as guilty of affray as the guy who was decked."
A sucker punch and follow-up on the ground is more than affray. |
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The one thing that we need to remember is that he appears to be slightly the worse for wear so it comes down to a d*unken brawl where he may be at least as guilty of affray as the guy who was decked."
It does appear to be this. At 2.15 am he’s been on the piss, and that’s where it’s ended up. Punching a man to the ground who had his hands in his pockets. |
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"It would be handy to see more of the video
If the guy that got hit had been abusing the MP online, and had sought the MP out to confront him in person then it indicates the potential of physical aggression
If the man had raised his hands first, or even rushed to approach the MP then I would say the MP is right to be proactive and put down a threat before it escalates
The longest video I can find however is just 2 guys at arms distance, both with their hands down and suddenly the MP hits him
Even then if the other guy is threatening the MP with physical violence you could still consider it as preemptive defence
Lots of ifs there Nick, what about if he felt threatened he stepped back..
Phone the police..
Walk away..
He lamped him in an attack which whilst we don't know what was said etc is not a defence..
There's no excuses, no mitigation again going from what's available so he's pretty much bang to rights and will face shots coming like anyone else..
If he step's back and the man step's forward what then
I've seen plenty of people getting hit from behind when trying to walk away.
And relying on police to save you when they might not turn up for an hour is not something I'd do
Again if..
But if that did happen he has two options, step further back telling the bloke to back off or he can if against a wall etc push him away..
Keep eye contact and ask loudly for one of the several people standing near to call the police..
And yes the response might take a while but he's done the right thing instead of what he did..
The one thing that we need to remember is that he appears to be slightly the worse for wear so it comes down to a d*unken brawl where he may be at least as guilty of affray as the guy who was decked.
A sucker punch and follow-up on the ground is more than affray."
'At least'....a nod to any appeasers perhaps? |
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"I have just watched this cctv footage that shows the initial punch then follow up punches
https://youtu.be/a-rs6dqemTY?si=mtM1e8V3LzVZPM2e
Mike Amesbury will go to jail for this, no ifs or buts, he will be Jailed.
Don't be so sure. He has previous with a stalker who was convicted so I'd imagine his defence will be 'felt intimidated and threatened'.
Yes I’m sure he will lawyer-up and come up with the new possible excise he can think of, but no matter what was said to him, there is zero excuse for what we have seen on our screens.
I agree there is zero excuse but unfortunately I don't trust the system enough to actually deal with this. We see hundreds of people receive no custodial daily. "
I agree. Once he gets good lawyers on the case and muddies the waters, he may well escape prison.
I would serve time if I did what he did. J know someone who got a criminal conviction rot assault and all he did was shoot aggressively (didn’t even raise his hands or lay a finger on the victim).
Not a friend of mine, arse of a bloke, but he got a criminal record for shouting at a man.
If that’s worthy of s criminal record, then lamping someone and hitting them while they are lying on the ground? Prison |
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"It would be handy to see more of the video
If the guy that got hit had been abusing the MP online, and had sought the MP out to confront him in person then it indicates the potential of physical aggression
If the man had raised his hands first, or even rushed to approach the MP then I would say the MP is right to be proactive and put down a threat before it escalates
The longest video I can find however is just 2 guys at arms distance, both with their hands down and suddenly the MP hits him
Even then if the other guy is threatening the MP with physical violence you could still consider it as preemptive defence
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Interesting. You seem to be desperate to construct a case for the defence, imagining various scenarios whereby the MP did nothing wrong. |
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"Much might hang on how well his own initial statement to police tallies with the video footage. Things will not go well for him if it doesn't."
How can his initial statement explain / justify the need to repeatedly hit a man who is lying on the ground and is no threat? |
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"It would be handy to see more of the video
If the guy that got hit had been abusing the MP online, and had sought the MP out to confront him in person then it indicates the potential of physical aggression
If the man had raised his hands first, or even rushed to approach the MP then I would say the MP is right to be proactive and put down a threat before it escalates
The longest video I can find however is just 2 guys at arms distance, both with their hands down and suddenly the MP hits him
Even then if the other guy is threatening the MP with physical violence you could still consider it as preemptive defence
Nonsense.
He is an MP he would have received intensive training on how to control himself in the public eye and at worst, calmly defuse the situation.
An attack like this will either be Jail... or the absolute truth of two tier policing.
This will not be swept under the carpet
Do they receive training? First I've heard. Jedi mind tricks maybe
Ultimately if you're alone and someone has approached you and you genuinely feel at threat there is nothing wrong in preemptive and proactive self defence
That's why it would be useful to see more of the tape
As I've said the longest video I can see clearly shows 2 men in conversation, with the only physical action coming from the MP, and there's no hint of a threat from the downed man
Further he carries in his attack when the man is downed, holding his hands up to defend himself but looking pretty goddamn defenceless
It's seems clear cut but the devil is in the details and we'll have to see
Frankly if someone is in arm's reach of me and is verbally abusive / threatens violence I'd hit first too so I'm wary to condemn the MP out of hand "
Nick, to seek desperate to defend the MP here.x but he repeatedly hit a man who was lying on the ground. There is no defence for that behaviour, no matter how hard you try |
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"It would be handy to see more of the video
If the guy that got hit had been abusing the MP online, and had sought the MP out to confront him in person then it indicates the potential of physical aggression
If the man had raised his hands first, or even rushed to approach the MP then I would say the MP is right to be proactive and put down a threat before it escalates
The longest video I can find however is just 2 guys at arms distance, both with their hands down and suddenly the MP hits him
Even then if the other guy is threatening the MP with physical violence you could still consider it as preemptive defence
Lots of ifs there Nick, what about if he felt threatened he stepped back..
Phone the police..
Walk away..
He lamped him in an attack which whilst we don't know what was said etc is not a defence..
There's no excuses, no mitigation again going from what's available so he's pretty much bang to rights and will face shots coming like anyone else..
If he step's back and the man step's forward what then
I've seen plenty of people getting hit from behind when trying to walk away.
And relying on police to save you when they might not turn up for an hour is not something I'd do
Again if..
But if that did happen he has two options, step further back telling the bloke to back off or he can if against a wall etc push him away..
Keep eye contact and ask loudly for one of the several people standing near to call the police..
And yes the response might take a while but he's done the right thing instead of what he did..
The one thing that we need to remember is that he appears to be slightly the worse for wear so it comes down to a d*unken brawl where he may be at least as guilty of affray as the guy who was decked."
Repeatedly punching a man ok the ground justifies more serious charges
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"It would be handy to see more of the video
If the guy that got hit had been abusing the MP online, and had sought the MP out to confront him in person then it indicates the potential of physical aggression
If the man had raised his hands first, or even rushed to approach the MP then I would say the MP is right to be proactive and put down a threat before it escalates
The longest video I can find however is just 2 guys at arms distance, both with their hands down and suddenly the MP hits him
Even then if the other guy is threatening the MP with physical violence you could still consider it as preemptive defence
Lots of ifs there Nick, what about if he felt threatened he stepped back..
Phone the police..
Walk away..
He lamped him in an attack which whilst we don't know what was said etc is not a defence..
There's no excuses, no mitigation again going from what's available so he's pretty much bang to rights and will face shots coming like anyone else..
If he step's back and the man step's forward what then
I've seen plenty of people getting hit from behind when trying to walk away.
And relying on police to save you when they might not turn up for an hour is not something I'd do
Again if..
But if that did happen he has two options, step further back telling the bloke to back off or he can if against a wall etc push him away..
Keep eye contact and ask loudly for one of the several people standing near to call the police..
And yes the response might take a while but he's done the right thing instead of what he did..
The one thing that we need to remember is that he appears to be slightly the worse for wear so it comes down to a d*unken brawl where he may be at least as guilty of affray as the guy who was decked.
A sucker punch and follow-up on the ground is more than affray."
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"It would be handy to see more of the video
If the guy that got hit had been abusing the MP online, and had sought the MP out to confront him in person then it indicates the potential of physical aggression
If the man had raised his hands first, or even rushed to approach the MP then I would say the MP is right to be proactive and put down a threat before it escalates
The longest video I can find however is just 2 guys at arms distance, both with their hands down and suddenly the MP hits him
Even then if the other guy is threatening the MP with physical violence you could still consider it as preemptive defence
Lots of ifs there Nick, what about if he felt threatened he stepped back..
Phone the police..
Walk away..
He lamped him in an attack which whilst we don't know what was said etc is not a defence..
There's no excuses, no mitigation again going from what's available so he's pretty much bang to rights and will face shots coming like anyone else..
If he step's back and the man step's forward what then
I've seen plenty of people getting hit from behind when trying to walk away.
And relying on police to save you when they might not turn up for an hour is not something I'd do
Again if..
But if that did happen he has two options, step further back telling the bloke to back off or he can if against a wall etc push him away..
Keep eye contact and ask loudly for one of the several people standing near to call the police..
And yes the response might take a while but he's done the right thing instead of what he did..
The one thing that we need to remember is that he appears to be slightly the worse for wear so it comes down to a d*unken brawl where he may be at least as guilty of affray as the guy who was decked.
A sucker punch and follow-up on the ground is more than affray.
100 per cent "
The charge of affray only applies if other people felt threatened. Depending on the victim’s injuries it will most likely be ABH, if they are serious injuries it could be GBH. |
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"Much might hang on how well his own initial statement to police tallies with the video footage. Things will not go well for him if it doesn't.
How can his initial statement explain / justify the need to repeatedly hit a man who is lying on the ground and is no threat? "
We don't know what he told the police when he called them to report the incident. It seems possible that he reported it to the police in order to establish a narrative and keep his reputation intact. If it's consistent with the video, then perhaps his reporting of the incident will work in his favour, since it will appear as if he did all of the right things after a situation that he unfortunately found himself in.
If, on the other hand, he spun a tale about an aggressive person who was about to hit him, so that any reasonable person had no choice other than to defend himself and then he immediately removed himself from the situation... Then he will probably get into even more hot water than he otherwise would. |
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The more I watch the video the more the MP seems to be the instigator. Even before throwing the first punch he's raising his voice, sound's like he's looking for the fight
The punches when the guy is down
Coming back after only to be waved away by the people helping the guy (if they weren't there you could easily argue he'd maybe continue the attack)
Like Gemma above said this looks more like ABH / GBH. Depends on the severity of the injuries
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Looks like attempted manslaughter with diminished mental responsibility with a side order of bravado, contempt and arrogance, was it over a kebab tax?
He should plead insanity so the victim gets the blame.
Shape of things to come maybe. If we don't comply we get beaten up.
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"This is the shocking moment a Labour MP punched a male constituent and hit him repeatedly while he lay on the ground.
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Could have been worse. It's invariably referred to nowadays as 'the floor' and usually pronounced as 'flaw-er". |
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Hopefully the guy who was attacked will seek to press charges and find a good solicitor to seek a large sum of compensation for injuries including the long term damage to his back and neck which occurred in the way he fell.
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As for the Labour attacking MP, Minimum is that he loses his job, his employment and earnings and is sued for a large sum of money but also ideally Jailed for 5 years.
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By *uietbloke67Man 3 weeks ago
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I won't condone violence. However, see it the context that 2 sitting MPs have been murdered in recent years.
You have to take that into consideration before condemning the man. Threatening behaviour has retribution and much like the guy who got biffed by Prescott when he hit him with an egg. People are entitled to defend themselves.
Quite rightly the MP hit him when he was down, as far as I'm concerned if someone threatens me then, they are not getting back up to do it again.
This is nowhere near equitable with a mob of rioters attacking innocent people.
For all the ones using it to sling political mud:
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"This is the shocking moment a Labour MP punched a male constituent and hit him repeatedly while he lay on the ground.
Mike Amesbury had yesterday claimed he was 'threatened' before the attack at 2.15am on Saturday morning in his constituentcy of Runcorn and Helsby, Cheshire.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14007847/Moment-Labour-MP-Mike-Amesbury-sucker-punched-constituent-beat-six-times-lay-ground-caught-shocking-CCTV-footage.html
Seen the footage, and it don't look good, especially if you're jailing people for protesting
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"I won't condone violence. However, see it the context that 2 sitting MPs have been murdered in recent years.
You have to take that into consideration before condemning the man. Threatening behaviour has retribution and much like the guy who got biffed by Prescott when he hit him with an egg. People are entitled to defend themselves.
Quite rightly the MP hit him when he was down, as far as I'm concerned if someone threatens me then, they are not getting back up to do it again.
This is nowhere near equitable with a mob of rioters attacking innocent people.
For all the ones using it to sling political mud:
let ye who has not sinned cast the stone. "
The law views hitting someone on the ground poorly, even though you seem to think it is ok. In the eyes of the law, it isn’t.
I hope this is just bravado on your part and that you don’t actually go around pummelling people when they are already on the ground |
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"This is the shocking moment a Labour MP punched a male constituent and hit him repeatedly while he lay on the ground.
Mike Amesbury had yesterday claimed he was 'threatened' before the attack at 2.15am on Saturday morning in his constituentcy of Runcorn and Helsby, Cheshire.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14007847/Moment-Labour-MP-Mike-Amesbury-sucker-punched-constituent-beat-six-times-lay-ground-caught-shocking-CCTV-footage.html
Seen the footage, and it don't look good, especially if you're jailing people for protesting
His mate Keir will get him off , he takes backhanders. "
When did Starmer become a judge |
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"I won't condone violence. However, see it the context that 2 sitting MPs have been murdered in recent years.
You have to take that into consideration before condemning the man. Threatening behaviour has retribution and much like the guy who got biffed by Prescott when he hit him with an egg. People are entitled to defend themselves.
Quite rightly the MP hit him when he was down, as far as I'm concerned if someone threatens me then, they are not getting back up to do it again.
This is nowhere near equitable with a mob of rioters attacking innocent people.
For all the ones using it to sling political mud:
let ye who has not sinned cast the stone. "
The Prescott case was very different to what we have seen in this case |
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By *uietbloke67Man 3 weeks ago
outside your bedroom window ;-) |
"I won't condone violence. However, see it the context that 2 sitting MPs have been murdered in recent years.
You have to take that into consideration before condemning the man. Threatening behaviour has retribution and much like the guy who got biffed by Prescott when he hit him with an egg. People are entitled to defend themselves.
Quite rightly the MP hit him when he was down, as far as I'm concerned if someone threatens me then, they are not getting back up to do it again.
This is nowhere near equitable with a mob of rioters attacking innocent people.
For all the ones using it to sling political mud:
let ye who has not sinned cast the stone.
The law views hitting someone on the ground poorly, even though you seem to think it is ok. In the eyes of the law, it isn’t.
I hope this is just bravado on your part and that you don’t actually go around pummelling people when they are already on the ground "
In the eyes of the law you are allowed to defend yourself. As I said hitting someone on the ground isn't being condoned, however in the context of 2 sitting MPs being stabbed to death.
Would you take the chance and let the guy back to his feet.
Put your thinking cap on? |
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"I won't condone violence. However, see it the context that 2 sitting MPs have been murdered in recent years.
You have to take that into consideration before condemning the man. Threatening behaviour has retribution and much like the guy who got biffed by Prescott when he hit him with an egg. People are entitled to defend themselves.
Quite rightly the MP hit him when he was down, as far as I'm concerned if someone threatens me then, they are not getting back up to do it again.
This is nowhere near equitable with a mob of rioters attacking innocent people.
For all the ones using it to sling political mud:
let ye who has not sinned cast the stone.
The law views hitting someone on the ground poorly, even though you seem to think it is ok. In the eyes of the law, it isn’t.
I hope this is just bravado on your part and that you don’t actually go around pummelling people when they are already on the ground
In the eyes of the law you are allowed to defend yourself. As I said hitting someone on the ground isn't being condoned, however in the context of 2 sitting MPs being stabbed to death.
Would you take the chance and let the guy back to his feet.
Put your thinking cap on? "
With the guy on the ground, I would have left the scene.
I’m confused. You say you don’t condone hitting someone on the ground, but then appear to do precisely that. |
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"I won't condone violence. However, see it the context that 2 sitting MPs have been murdered in recent years.
You have to take that into consideration before condemning the man. Threatening behaviour has retribution and much like the guy who got biffed by Prescott when he hit him with an egg. People are entitled to defend themselves.
Quite rightly the MP hit him when he was down, as far as I'm concerned if someone threatens me then, they are not getting back up to do it again.
This is nowhere near equitable with a mob of rioters attacking innocent people.
For all the ones using it to sling political mud:
let ye who has not sinned cast the stone.
The law views hitting someone on the ground poorly, even though you seem to think it is ok. In the eyes of the law, it isn’t.
I hope this is just bravado on your part and that you don’t actually go around pummelling people when they are already on the ground
In the eyes of the law you are allowed to defend yourself. As I said hitting someone on the ground isn't being condoned, however in the context of 2 sitting MPs being stabbed to death.
Would you take the chance and let the guy back to his feet.
Put your thinking cap on? "
I half agree , however , do you think the MP was defending himself ? |
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"This is the shocking moment a Labour MP punched a male constituent and hit him repeatedly while he lay on the ground.
Mike Amesbury had yesterday claimed he was 'threatened' before the attack at 2.15am on Saturday morning in his constituentcy of Runcorn and Helsby, Cheshire.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14007847/Moment-Labour-MP-Mike-Amesbury-sucker-punched-constituent-beat-six-times-lay-ground-caught-shocking-CCTV-footage.html
Seen the footage, and it don't look good, especially if you're jailing people for protesting
His mate Keir will get him off , he takes backhanders.
When did Starmer become a judge "
If he was a judge then the wording would be “let him off” rather than “get him off”.
My interpretation is that the poster meant he would pull levers to get the guy off.
My guess? He won’t go out of his way for a backbencher nobody has ever heard of. |
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"This is the shocking moment a Labour MP punched a male constituent and hit him repeatedly while he lay on the ground.
Mike Amesbury had yesterday claimed he was 'threatened' before the attack at 2.15am on Saturday morning in his constituentcy of Runcorn and Helsby, Cheshire.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14007847/Moment-Labour-MP-Mike-Amesbury-sucker-punched-constituent-beat-six-times-lay-ground-caught-shocking-CCTV-footage.html
Seen the footage, and it don't look good, especially if you're jailing people for protesting
His mate Keir will get him off , he takes backhanders.
When did Starmer become a judge
If he was a judge then the wording would be “let him off” rather than “get him off”.
My interpretation is that the poster meant he would pull levers to get the guy off.
My guess? He won’t go out of his way for a backbencher nobody has ever heard of. "
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"I won't condone violence. However, see it the context that 2 sitting MPs have been murdered in recent years.
You have to take that into consideration before condemning the man. Threatening behaviour has retribution and much like the guy who got biffed by Prescott when he hit him with an egg. People are entitled to defend themselves.
Quite rightly the MP hit him when he was down, as far as I'm concerned if someone threatens me then, they are not getting back up to do it again.
This is nowhere near equitable with a mob of rioters attacking innocent people.
For all the ones using it to sling political mud:
let ye who has not sinned cast the stone.
The law views hitting someone on the ground poorly, even though you seem to think it is ok. In the eyes of the law, it isn’t.
I hope this is just bravado on your part and that you don’t actually go around pummelling people when they are already on the ground
In the eyes of the law you are allowed to defend yourself. As I said hitting someone on the ground isn't being condoned, however in the context of 2 sitting MPs being stabbed to death.
Would you take the chance and let the guy back to his feet.
Put your thinking cap on?
I half agree , however , do you think the MP was defending himself ? "
Have you seen the video. Punching a man on the ground constantly. Needs arresting for GBH . Liebour the gift that keeps giving  |
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"I won't condone violence. However, see it the context that 2 sitting MPs have been murdered in recent years.
You have to take that into consideration before condemning the man. Threatening behaviour has retribution and much like the guy who got biffed by Prescott when he hit him with an egg. People are entitled to defend themselves.
Quite rightly the MP hit him when he was down, as far as I'm concerned if someone threatens me then, they are not getting back up to do it again.
This is nowhere near equitable with a mob of rioters attacking innocent people.
For all the ones using it to sling political mud:
let ye who has not sinned cast the stone.
The law views hitting someone on the ground poorly, even though you seem to think it is ok. In the eyes of the law, it isn’t.
I hope this is just bravado on your part and that you don’t actually go around pummelling people when they are already on the ground
In the eyes of the law you are allowed to defend yourself. As I said hitting someone on the ground isn't being condoned, however in the context of 2 sitting MPs being stabbed to death.
Would you take the chance and let the guy back to his feet.
Put your thinking cap on?
I half agree , however , do you think the MP was defending himself ?
Have you seen the video. Punching a man on the ground constantly. Needs arresting for GBH . Liebour the gift that keeps giving "
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By *uietbloke67Man 3 weeks ago
outside your bedroom window ;-) |
"I won't condone violence. However, see it the context that 2 sitting MPs have been murdered in recent years.
You have to take that into consideration before condemning the man. Threatening behaviour has retribution and much like the guy who got biffed by Prescott when he hit him with an egg. People are entitled to defend themselves.
Quite rightly the MP hit him when he was down, as far as I'm concerned if someone threatens me then, they are not getting back up to do it again.
This is nowhere near equitable with a mob of rioters attacking innocent people.
For all the ones using it to sling political mud:
let ye who has not sinned cast the stone.
The law views hitting someone on the ground poorly, even though you seem to think it is ok. In the eyes of the law, it isn’t.
I hope this is just bravado on your part and that you don’t actually go around pummelling people when they are already on the ground
In the eyes of the law you are allowed to defend yourself. As I said hitting someone on the ground isn't being condoned, however in the context of 2 sitting MPs being stabbed to death.
Would you take the chance and let the guy back to his feet.
Put your thinking cap on?
I half agree , however , do you think the MP was defending himself ? "
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"I won't condone violence. However, see it the context that 2 sitting MPs have been murdered in recent years.
You have to take that into consideration before condemning the man. Threatening behaviour has retribution and much like the guy who got biffed by Prescott when he hit him with an egg. People are entitled to defend themselves.
Quite rightly the MP hit him when he was down, as far as I'm concerned if someone threatens me then, they are not getting back up to do it again.
This is nowhere near equitable with a mob of rioters attacking innocent people.
For all the ones using it to sling political mud:
let ye who has not sinned cast the stone.
The law views hitting someone on the ground poorly, even though you seem to think it is ok. In the eyes of the law, it isn’t.
I hope this is just bravado on your part and that you don’t actually go around pummelling people when they are already on the ground
In the eyes of the law you are allowed to defend yourself. As I said hitting someone on the ground isn't being condoned, however in the context of 2 sitting MPs being stabbed to death.
Would you take the chance and let the guy back to his feet.
Put your thinking cap on?
I half agree , however , do you think the MP was defending himself ?
Yup, totally. "
Fair enough, it’s hard to tell from the clip, it looks like the MP started it tbh |
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"Tenner says he gets a suspended sentence.
He will if it’s proven to be self defence , otherwise he is going to jail "
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"Tenner says he gets a suspended sentence.
He will if it’s proven to be self defence , otherwise he is going to jail
I don't see much evidence for self defence unless anyone can furnish me with said proof "
I don’t think its self defence either , that’s why he will go to prison |
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"And Ponyboys blocked me says it all
I think his account is on lockdown tbf
He been here for years under different accounts just provoking people to get them banned. Sad really when you think about it. "
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"I won't condone violence. However, see it the context that 2 sitting MPs have been murdered in recent years.
You have to take that into consideration before condemning the man. Threatening behaviour has retribution and much like the guy who got biffed by Prescott when he hit him with an egg. People are entitled to defend themselves.
Quite rightly the MP hit him when he was down, as far as I'm concerned if someone threatens me then, they are not getting back up to do it again.
This is nowhere near equitable with a mob of rioters attacking innocent people.
For all the ones using it to sling political mud:
let ye who has not sinned cast the stone.
The law views hitting someone on the ground poorly, even though you seem to think it is ok. In the eyes of the law, it isn’t.
I hope this is just bravado on your part and that you don’t actually go around pummelling people when they are already on the ground
In the eyes of the law you are allowed to defend yourself. As I said hitting someone on the ground isn't being condoned, however in the context of 2 sitting MPs being stabbed to death.
Would you take the chance and let the guy back to his feet.
Put your thinking cap on?
I half agree , however , do you think the MP was defending himself ?
Yup, totally. "
For a man who doesn’t condone violence, you seem very comfortable with what looks to most people to be an unprovoked assault and entirely inappropriate / disproportionate levels of follow-up.
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Punch up Mikey a sitting M.P who defends himself by punching to the floor a member of the public, and then continues to hit said member in the mist of others having to come to members aid.
When a police officer was filmed kicking and stamping on a mans head whilst the man was down and in cuffs, people defended the policeman.
Even though we all know that defence stops when your attacked cannot be a threat to you, being on the floor dazed is a good indicator of that fact. |
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"Tenner says he gets a suspended sentence.
He will if it’s proven to be self defence , otherwise he is going to jail
I don't see much evidence for self defence unless anyone can furnish me with said proof "
It doesn’t look like self defence. Only one poster seems to think that it was, from what I can see |
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"Punch up Mikey a sitting M.P who defends himself by punching to the floor a member of the public, and then continues to hit said member in the mist of others having to come to members aid.
When a police officer was filmed kicking and stamping on a mans head whilst the man was down and in cuffs, people defended the policeman.
Even though we all know that defence stops when your attacked cannot be a threat to you, being on the floor dazed is a good indicator of that fact."
Very different situations. |
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"Punch up Mikey a sitting M.P who defends himself by punching to the floor a member of the public, and then continues to hit said member in the mist of others having to come to members aid.
When a police officer was filmed kicking and stamping on a mans head whilst the man was down and in cuffs, people defended the policeman.
Even though we all know that defence stops when your attacked cannot be a threat to you, being on the floor dazed is a good indicator of that fact.
Very different situations. "
If I put a person down and continue to punch them I will be arrested as there is no explanation I can give in law, when the law has already set out it boundaries, public servants know this and also know it is bad show to punch those you are suppose to serve. |
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By *uietbloke67Man 3 weeks ago
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"I won't condone violence. However, see it the context that 2 sitting MPs have been murdered in recent years.
You have to take that into consideration before condemning the man. Threatening behaviour has retribution and much like the guy who got biffed by Prescott when he hit him with an egg. People are entitled to defend themselves.
Quite rightly the MP hit him when he was down, as far as I'm concerned if someone threatens me then, they are not getting back up to do it again.
This is nowhere near equitable with a mob of rioters attacking innocent people.
For all the ones using it to sling political mud:
let ye who has not sinned cast the stone.
The law views hitting someone on the ground poorly, even though you seem to think it is ok. In the eyes of the law, it isn’t.
I hope this is just bravado on your part and that you don’t actually go around pummelling people when they are already on the ground
In the eyes of the law you are allowed to defend yourself. As I said hitting someone on the ground isn't being condoned, however in the context of 2 sitting MPs being stabbed to death.
Would you take the chance and let the guy back to his feet.
Put your thinking cap on?
I half agree , however , do you think the MP was defending himself ?
Yup, totally.
For a man who doesn’t condone violence, you seem very comfortable with what looks to most people to be an unprovoked assault and entirely inappropriate / disproportionate levels of follow-up.
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"I won't condone violence. However, see it the context that 2 sitting MPs have been murdered in recent years.
You have to take that into consideration before condemning the man. Threatening behaviour has retribution and much like the guy who got biffed by Prescott when he hit him with an egg. People are entitled to defend themselves.
Quite rightly the MP hit him when he was down, as far as I'm concerned if someone threatens me then, they are not getting back up to do it again.
This is nowhere near equitable with a mob of rioters attacking innocent people.
For all the ones using it to sling political mud:
let ye who has not sinned cast the stone.
The law views hitting someone on the ground poorly, even though you seem to think it is ok. In the eyes of the law, it isn’t.
I hope this is just bravado on your part and that you don’t actually go around pummelling people when they are already on the ground
In the eyes of the law you are allowed to defend yourself. As I said hitting someone on the ground isn't being condoned, however in the context of 2 sitting MPs being stabbed to death.
Would you take the chance and let the guy back to his feet.
Put your thinking cap on?
I half agree , however , do you think the MP was defending himself ?
Yup, totally.
For a man who doesn’t condone violence, you seem very comfortable with what looks to most people to be an unprovoked assault and entirely inappropriate / disproportionate levels of follow-up.
Can't be bothered answering this."
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"public servants know this and also know it is bad show to punch those you are suppose to serve.
Punch up Mikey is a pissed up late night brawler
No comment from two tier kier "
We won’t hear anything now, just “can’t comment on a matter that is under police investigation”.
Sks will probably be happy enough though, it took focus off the budget for a day or so. |
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"Tenner says he gets a suspended sentence.
Most defendants with no prior convictions would receive a suspended sentence for section 47 assault."
Exactly right
Suspended sentence, potential fine but that'll be it from a legal perspective
Do you think Labour will sack him after a conviction? Before?
The video is pretty damning and whilst I'm all for playing devil's advocate I can't imagine Amesbury could successfully argue self defence or that he interpreted an immediate threat
And if he was intoxicated the argument then is impaired judgement, ie would be have reacted the same at 2pm in the afternoon sober as he did 2am in the morning half cut |
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"Tenner says he gets a suspended sentence.
Most defendants with no prior convictions would receive a suspended sentence for section 47 assault.
Exactly right
Suspended sentence, potential fine but that'll be it from a legal perspective
Do you think Labour will sack him after a conviction? Before?
The video is pretty damning and whilst I'm all for playing devil's advocate I can't imagine Amesbury could successfully argue self defence or that he interpreted an immediate threat
And if he was intoxicated the argument then is impaired judgement, ie would be have reacted the same at 2pm in the afternoon sober as he did 2am in the morning half cut"
I’d be surprised if he didn’t resign before being sacked. |
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"Tenner says he gets a suspended sentence.
Most defendants with no prior convictions would receive a suspended sentence for section 47 assault.
Exactly right
Suspended sentence, potential fine but that'll be it from a legal perspective
Do you think Labour will sack him after a conviction? Before?
The video is pretty damning and whilst I'm all for playing devil's advocate I can't imagine Amesbury could successfully argue self defence or that he interpreted an immediate threat
And if he was intoxicated the argument then is impaired judgement, ie would be have reacted the same at 2pm in the afternoon sober as he did 2am in the morning half cut
I’d be surprised if he didn’t resign before being sacked. "
They'll give him that "option" no doubt and he'll have a chance to make a speech
"I'm ashamed of my actions blah blah blah"
Normally I wouldn't call for people to lose their jobs in these situations but given the nature of his job, punching those you're suppose to serve etc fuck him |
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"Seems like it's a running theme with some Labour MPs punching people up. The former Deputy Prime Minister John Prescott did the same thing too back in 2001"
I'm on Prescotts side in his little dust up.
He was attacked first and the guy was a clear threat after the first punch (he fought back). |
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"Seems like it's a running theme with some Labour MPs punching people up. The former Deputy Prime Minister John Prescott did the same thing too back in 2001
I'm on Prescotts side in his little dust up.
He was attacked first and the guy was a clear threat after the first punch (he fought back)."
True. I'd like to see the run up to the assault, just for some clarification as to why he was so passionate in the assault that he had to go for him even on the floor because I don't believe for one second this was unprovoked so what did the "victim" say to him? |
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"Seems like it's a running theme with some Labour MPs punching people up. The former Deputy Prime Minister John Prescott did the same thing too back in 2001
I'm on Prescotts side in his little dust up.
He was attacked first and the guy was a clear threat after the first punch (he fought back)."
That guy deserved it just for his outrageous mullet. |
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"Seems like it's a running theme with some Labour MPs punching people up. The former Deputy Prime Minister John Prescott did the same thing too back in 2001
I'm on Prescotts side in his little dust up.
He was attacked first and the guy was a clear threat after the first punch (he fought back).
That guy deserved it just for his outrageous mullet."
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If he had been stalked, harassed and threatened for a while and genuinely felt for his and his family's safety and this was all building up to him finally snapping then I'm team punchy 100%
Cant imagine the anxiety that could cause a person. I'm on the fence now about all this now to be fair |
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2023
A man has been ordered to stay away from an MP he was found guilty of stalking and harassing.
Stephen Cowell, 56, from Tarporley in Cheshire was convicted last month of stalking Mike Amesbury, the Labour MP for Weaver Vale.
In addition to a restraining order Chester Magistrates Court imposed 100 hours community work and a 25 day rehabilitation order with a £500 fine.
Cowell denied the charges previously at Warrington Magistrates.
The Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) said he was seen near Mr Amesbury's office in a shopping centre, followed him to his car and approached him in Frodsham.
Mr Amesbury said Cowell's behaviour was "concerning" and it had resulted in him feeling "that little bit more anxious".
Cowell's behaviour became increasingly erratic and included staring at the MP through the window of his office and trying to stop him driving off in his car.
It should be noted that heavyweight Mike has a wife and son |
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"If he had been stalked, harassed and threatened for a while and genuinely felt for his and his family's safety and this was all building up to him finally snapping then I'm team punchy 100%
Cant imagine the anxiety that could cause a person. I'm on the fence now about all this now to be fair"
But if it is I'm with you on team punchy
Fuck around and find out |
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"Tenner says he gets a suspended sentence.
Most defendants with no prior convictions would receive a suspended sentence for section 47 assault.
Exactly right
Suspended sentence, potential fine but that'll be it from a legal perspective
Do you think Labour will sack him after a conviction? Before?
The video is pretty damning and whilst I'm all for playing devil's advocate I can't imagine Amesbury could successfully argue self defence or that he interpreted an immediate threat
And if he was intoxicated the argument then is impaired judgement, ie would be have reacted the same at 2pm in the afternoon sober as he did 2am in the morning half cut
I’d be surprised if he didn’t resign before being sacked. "
he ain't gona resign lol he will leave the party and sit as an independent no way the pisshead is gona give up his mp salary |
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"From BBC....
2023
A man has been ordered to stay away from an MP he was found guilty of stalking and harassing.
Stephen Cowell, 56, from Tarporley in Cheshire was convicted last month of stalking Mike Amesbury, the Labour MP for Weaver Vale.
In addition to a restraining order Chester Magistrates Court imposed 100 hours community work and a 25 day rehabilitation order with a £500 fine.
Cowell denied the charges previously at Warrington Magistrates.
The Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) said he was seen near Mr Amesbury's office in a shopping centre, followed him to his car and approached him in Frodsham.
Mr Amesbury said Cowell's behaviour was "concerning" and it had resulted in him feeling "that little bit more anxious".
Cowell's behaviour became increasingly erratic and included staring at the MP through the window of his office and trying to stop him driving off in his car.
It should be noted that heavyweight Mike has a wife and son"
If the same guy, and has an order against him, wouldn't you just phone 999? Rather then chat whilst under the influence... |
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"This is the shocking moment a Labour MP punched a male constituent and hit him repeatedly while he lay on the ground.
Mike Amesbury had yesterday claimed he was 'threatened' before the attack at 2.15am on Saturday morning in his constituentcy of Runcorn and Helsby, Cheshire.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14007847/Moment-Labour-MP-Mike-Amesbury-sucker-punched-constituent-beat-six-times-lay-ground-caught-shocking-CCTV-footage.html
Seen the footage, and it don't look good, especially if you're jailing people for protesting
People have been jailed for protesting for years and years. What are you talking about?
I'm not reading the Daily Fail, but real news outlets are saying the police are investigating, so let's see what transpired. If he assaulted someone, he's got to go. "
Agreed, until we know what's happened everything else is speculation |
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"This is the shocking moment a Labour MP punched a male constituent and hit him repeatedly while he lay on the ground.
Mike Amesbury had yesterday claimed he was 'threatened' before the attack at 2.15am on Saturday morning in his constituentcy of Runcorn and Helsby, Cheshire.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14007847/Moment-Labour-MP-Mike-Amesbury-sucker-punched-constituent-beat-six-times-lay-ground-caught-shocking-CCTV-footage.html
Seen the footage, and it don't look good, especially if you're jailing people for protesting
People have been jailed for protesting for years and years. What are you talking about?
I'm not reading the Daily Fail, but real news outlets are saying the police are investigating, so let's see what transpired. If he assaulted someone, he's got to go.
Agreed, until we know what's happened everything else is speculation "
Indeed we need to know the run up to this and any mitigating evidence. If he was the stalker I would have thought the best action would be to contact the police and report it. Not sure if you asked police advice on how to deal with the incident they would advise punching him when he showed no signs of physical violence and then continue to punch him on the ground. I would guess by the time the police were involved it was to late to check for alcohol consumption. Hopefully the full story will come out one day |
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"This is the shocking moment a Labour MP punched a male constituent and hit him repeatedly while he lay on the ground.
Mike Amesbury had yesterday claimed he was 'threatened' before the attack at 2.15am on Saturday morning in his constituentcy of Runcorn and Helsby, Cheshire.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14007847/Moment-Labour-MP-Mike-Amesbury-sucker-punched-constituent-beat-six-times-lay-ground-caught-shocking-CCTV-footage.html
Seen the footage, and it don't look good, especially if you're jailing people for protesting
People have been jailed for protesting for years and years. What are you talking about?
I'm not reading the Daily Fail, but real news outlets are saying the police are investigating, so let's see what transpired. If he assaulted someone, he's got to go.
Agreed, until we know what's happened everything else is speculation "
Tbh, I know it was on the heat of the moment but it will be difficult for him to justify that level of violence |
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"From BBC....
2023
A man has been ordered to stay away from an MP he was found guilty of stalking and harassing.
Stephen Cowell, 56, from Tarporley in Cheshire was convicted last month of stalking Mike Amesbury, the Labour MP for Weaver Vale.
In addition to a restraining order Chester Magistrates Court imposed 100 hours community work and a 25 day rehabilitation order with a £500 fine.
Cowell denied the charges previously at Warrington Magistrates.
The Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) said he was seen near Mr Amesbury's office in a shopping centre, followed him to his car and approached him in Frodsham.
Mr Amesbury said Cowell's behaviour was "concerning" and it had resulted in him feeling "that little bit more anxious".
Cowell's behaviour became increasingly erratic and included staring at the MP through the window of his office and trying to stop him driving off in his car.
It should be noted that heavyweight Mike has a wife and son
If the same guy, and has an order against him, wouldn't you just phone 999? Rather then chat whilst under the influence..."
It was in Frodsham,a very small town in Cheshire. You’d be waiting an eternity for a patrol to turn up at that time of night. |
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By *usybee73 OP Man 3 weeks ago
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"From BBC....
2023
A man has been ordered to stay away from an MP he was found guilty of stalking and harassing.
Stephen Cowell, 56, from Tarporley in Cheshire was convicted last month of stalking Mike Amesbury, the Labour MP for Weaver Vale.
In addition to a restraining order Chester Magistrates Court imposed 100 hours community work and a 25 day rehabilitation order with a £500 fine.
Cowell denied the charges previously at Warrington Magistrates.
The Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) said he was seen near Mr Amesbury's office in a shopping centre, followed him to his car and approached him in Frodsham.
Mr Amesbury said Cowell's behaviour was "concerning" and it had resulted in him feeling "that little bit more anxious".
Cowell's behaviour became increasingly erratic and included staring at the MP through the window of his office and trying to stop him driving off in his car.
It should be noted that heavyweight Mike has a wife and son
If the same guy, and has an order against him, wouldn't you just phone 999? Rather then chat whilst under the influence...
It was in Frodsham,a very small town in Cheshire. You’d be waiting an eternity for a patrol to turn up at that time of night."
I agree if you were the average joe, but bet they would turn up if an mp was under threat... |
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"This is the shocking moment a Labour MP punched a male constituent and hit him repeatedly while he lay on the ground.
Mike Amesbury had yesterday claimed he was 'threatened' before the attack at 2.15am on Saturday morning in his constituentcy of Runcorn and Helsby, Cheshire.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14007847/Moment-Labour-MP-Mike-Amesbury-sucker-punched-constituent-beat-six-times-lay-ground-caught-shocking-CCTV-footage.html
Seen the footage, and it don't look good, especially if you're jailing people for protesting
People have been jailed for protesting for years and years. What are you talking about?
I'm not reading the Daily Fail, but real news outlets are saying the police are investigating, so let's see what transpired. If he assaulted someone, he's got to go.
Agreed, until we know what's happened everything else is speculation
Tbh, I know it was on the heat of the moment but it will be difficult for him to justify that level of violence "
The first punch you could (with some difficulty) argue
But the rest? I just don't see what threat the guy on the floor possibly posed to the MP. The extra punches are hugely damning |
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Just seen an update and it's claimed that the receiver of the punches was a guy called Paul fellows who was arguing with the MP about winter fuel payments. If true, then doesn't sound like the stalker guy going by previous posts but will stress its not confirmed |
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"Just seen an update and it's claimed that the receiver of the punches was a guy called Paul fellows who was arguing with the MP about winter fuel payments. If true, then doesn't sound like the stalker guy going by previous posts but will stress its not confirmed "
If that’s correct he’s fooked |
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"Just seen an update and it's claimed that the receiver of the punches was a guy called Paul fellows who was arguing with the MP about winter fuel payments. If true, then doesn't sound like the stalker guy going by previous posts but will stress its not confirmed
If that’s correct he’s fooked "
Proper fooked?
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"Just seen an update and it's claimed that the receiver of the punches was a guy called Paul fellows who was arguing with the MP about winter fuel payments. If true, then doesn't sound like the stalker guy going by previous posts but will stress its not confirmed "
I did an internet search and there is a story on the beeb website, I just put the name in and he came up.
He reported the attack at 02.58 0n that night and went to AnE for a check up on police advice.
The M.P posts hie Albi on his F.B page that night and went to the police in the morning with a hangover I guess. |
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"This is the shocking moment a Labour MP punched a male constituent and hit him repeatedly while he lay on the ground.
Mike Amesbury had yesterday claimed he was 'threatened' before the attack at 2.15am on Saturday morning in his constituentcy of Runcorn and Helsby, Cheshire.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14007847/Moment-Labour-MP-Mike-Amesbury-sucker-punched-constituent-beat-six-times-lay-ground-caught-shocking-CCTV-footage.html
Seen the footage, and it don't look good, especially if you're jailing people for protesting
People have been jailed for protesting for years and years. What are you talking about?
I'm not reading the Daily Fail, but real news outlets are saying the police are investigating, so let's see what transpired. If he assaulted someone, he's got to go.
Agreed, until we know what's happened everything else is speculation
Tbh, I know it was on the heat of the moment but it will be difficult for him to justify that level of violence
The first punch you could (with some difficulty) argue
But the rest? I just don't see what threat the guy on the floor possibly posed to the MP. The extra punches are hugely damning "
best friend of mine got 6 year for this after been attacked by 4 lads in leeds the 2 blows when 1 were on the floor were deemed potentially lethal even outnumbered 4 to 1 |
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"From BBC....
2023
A man has been ordered to stay away from an MP he was found guilty of stalking and harassing.
Stephen Cowell, 56, from Tarporley in Cheshire was convicted last month of stalking Mike Amesbury, the Labour MP for Weaver Vale.
In addition to a restraining order Chester Magistrates Court imposed 100 hours community work and a 25 day rehabilitation order with a £500 fine.
Cowell denied the charges previously at Warrington Magistrates.
The Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) said he was seen near Mr Amesbury's office in a shopping centre, followed him to his car and approached him in Frodsham.
Mr Amesbury said Cowell's behaviour was "concerning" and it had resulted in him feeling "that little bit more anxious".
Cowell's behaviour became increasingly erratic and included staring at the MP through the window of his office and trying to stop him driving off in his car.
It should be noted that heavyweight Mike has a wife and son
If the same guy, and has an order against him, wouldn't you just phone 999? Rather then chat whilst under the influence..."
Clearly it isn’t the same guy |
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"Just seen an update and it's claimed that the receiver of the punches was a guy called Paul fellows who was arguing with the MP about winter fuel payments. If true, then doesn't sound like the stalker guy going by previous posts but will stress its not confirmed
I did an internet search and there is a story on the beeb website, I just put the name in and he came up.
He reported the attack at 02.58 0n that night and went to AnE for a check up on police advice.
The M.P posts hie Albi on his F.B page that night and went to the police in the morning with a hangover I guess."
Not sure if that would be to late or not to breath test him for alcohol but hopefully they did the test any way. Hopefully things will become clearer as to why the MP attacked him in the way he did. Would this trigger a by election if convicted |
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"Are the police able to breath test for non driving allegations?"
That's an interesting point. I don't know but if being d*unk and disorderly ( non motoring offence) is still an offence I would guess at yes but not sure. |
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"Are the police able to breath test for non driving allegations?
That's an interesting point. I don't know but if being d*unk and disorderly ( non motoring offence) is still an offence I would guess at yes but not sure. "
They do not use a breathalyser for d*unk and disorderly. The evidence of the arresting officer is sufficient. |
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"Are the police able to breath test for non driving allegations?
That's an interesting point. I don't know but if being d*unk and disorderly ( non motoring offence) is still an offence I would guess at yes but not sure.
They do not use a breathalyser for d*unk and disorderly. The evidence of the arresting officer is sufficient."
Ok, thanks, in that case guess it's not relevant the time he went to the police. Not looking good for him unless further evidence emerges that vindicates his actions |
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