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"So obviously Israel have been bombing the shit out of Hezbollah in Lebanon and those have been “military” targets…. Because Hezbollah have a legitimate civilian operation within Lebanon as part of their political process So Israel have said that bank branches operating under the civilian arm of Hezbollah have now said these are now legitimate targets So… should banks now be legitimate targets? " In a normal state of affairs, between two "civilised" countries, who both broadly play by "the rules", then no. In this case, is it gets the bloody job done, then yes. | |||
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"WWII blitz banks were taken out along with everything else so they are lucky they are not getting hit to that extent. Yeh it's not pretty but then war is never a walk in the park. Hamas and Hez. have made a rod for themselves. They have an agenda to wipe Israel off the face of the Earth. Talk? They make out they want peace but they are false intentions. They've let their own people down."  | |||
"WWII blitz banks were taken out along with everything else so they are lucky they are not getting hit to that extent. Yeh it's not pretty but then war is never a walk in the park. Hamas and Hez. have made a rod for themselves. They have an agenda to wipe Israel off the face of the Earth. Talk? They make out they want peace but they are false intentions. They've let their own people down." Exactly! How can Israel realistically negotiate with groups pledged to their elimination? There is zero common ground. A two-state solution just legitimises a hostile proxy state of Iran on their doorstep intent on lobbing missiles into Tel Aviv as fast as they can make them | |||
"If the 'bank' is a front to finance terrorism then yes, the IDF in their opinion are fine with taking it out.." There is no suggestion that this is the case… it looks like the bank is there primarily to help Lebanon citizens with social causes Even Israel admits the primary purpose of the bombings are to drive a wedge between Hezbollah and the Shia Lebanese communities they primarily serve | |||
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"If the 'bank' is a front to finance terrorism then yes, the IDF in their opinion are fine with taking it out.. There is no suggestion that this is the case… it looks like the bank is there primarily to help Lebanon citizens with social causes Even Israel admits the primary purpose of the bombings are to drive a wedge between Hezbollah and the Shia Lebanese communities they primarily serve " There is no way that Mossad etc will share what evidence they have Fabio, you know that yes..? The so called shield of doing good for the community whilst at the next 'counter' the money is cleaned from the organised crime and the shell companies that Iran and others use to fund weapons isn't exactly a new phenomenon.. Lebanon has and is being taken over by Iran, with the sole aim of eliminating Israel from another side.. Like the Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank the Lebanese people would be better off deciding their own future but it's Tehran who is and there's many Lebanese of all faiths who also want shut of Hezbollah.. | |||
"If Israel laid down its arms it would be overrun by these Islamic butchers funded by Iran Netanyahu needs to finish the job. " exacty that get the job done do the west a favour there’s some on here who think because the terrorists do it under the banner of Islam it’s ok the same ppl never come out when there’s a terror attack in the west or another grooming gang on the news there or when Israeli where attacked on oct the 7th we all know who they are on here | |||
"...exacty that get the job done do the west a favour there’s some on here who think because the terrorists do it under the banner of Islam it’s ok..." Actually, many feel that it's the right of the oppressed to rise up and resist. The problem with Hezbollah (and the Houthis and the alarming rise of Iraqi actors) in this context is that they're not actually oppressed by Israel. They seek to drag their countries into conflict with Israel, with all the mess that entails. They're proxies of Iran who have the job of overrunning their respective countries, wresting control for Shi'ite hegemony, expanding Iran's projection of influence and (of course) destroying Israel. They (specifically those who promote this ideology) are filth and should be stamped out, because they bring nothing but death, destruction and an oppressive Iranian religious societal model to any state unfortunate enough to host them. While there is a massive war chest feeding this order, then they can buy the complicity of a chunk of society. Remove that chest and that support base dissipates. Anything that shortens the military phase of this war and gives control back to Lebanese authorities and minimises Iran's influence is a positive step from a humanitarian angle, let alone a military one. | |||
"...exacty that get the job done do the west a favour there’s some on here who think because the terrorists do it under the banner of Islam it’s ok... Actually, many feel that it's the right of the oppressed to rise up and resist. The problem with Hezbollah (and the Houthis and the alarming rise of Iraqi actors) in this context is that they're not actually oppressed by Israel. They seek to drag their countries into conflict with Israel, with all the mess that entails. They're proxies of Iran who have the job of overrunning their respective countries, wresting control for Shi'ite hegemony, expanding Iran's projection of influence and (of course) destroying Israel. They (specifically those who promote this ideology) are filth and should be stamped out, because they bring nothing but death, destruction and an oppressive Iranian religious societal model to any state unfortunate enough to host them. While there is a massive war chest feeding this order, then they can buy the complicity of a chunk of society. Remove that chest and that support base dissipates. Anything that shortens the military phase of this war and gives control back to Lebanese authorities and minimises Iran's influence is a positive step from a humanitarian angle, let alone a military one." great post | |||
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"It really is “ The definition contained in Article II of the Convention describes genocide as a crime committed with the intent to destroy a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, in whole or in part. It does not include political groups or so called “cultural genocide” Israel are doing so they can occupy Gaza after " terrorists are the targets but for the terrorists the Jews are there targets so arnt they not trying to chase out the Jews and occupy there land ? | |||
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"The only ones suffering are the 1000s of innocent Palestinians yes wipe out Hezbollah hamas and sort Iran out. But the western world is not reporting half of what's really happening. You have tv channels in Israel openly calling for the r..e of women and to remove every last Palestinian. Also attacking the un peacekeepers. Israel is also using a type of barrel bomb which is banned. What you see on the BBC ch4 and sky is what Israel allows you to see." so what are you saying that we should rely on hamas reports then ? | |||
"The only ones suffering are the 1000s of innocent Palestinians yes wipe out Hezbollah hamas and sort Iran out. But the western world is not reporting half of what's really happening. You have tv channels in Israel openly calling for the r..e of women and to remove every last Palestinian. Also attacking the un peacekeepers. Israel is also using a type of barrel bomb which is banned. What you see on the BBC ch4 and sky is what Israel allows you to see.so what are you saying that we should rely on hamas reports then ?" In the past their numbers have been verified by international observers, United Nations, international Red Cross etc. | |||
"The only ones suffering are the 1000s of innocent Palestinians yes wipe out Hezbollah hamas and sort Iran out. But the western world is not reporting half of what's really happening. You have tv channels in Israel openly calling for the r..e of women and to remove every last Palestinian. Also attacking the un peacekeepers. Israel is also using a type of barrel bomb which is banned. What you see on the BBC ch4 and sky is what Israel allows you to see.so what are you saying that we should rely on hamas reports then ? In the past their numbers have been verified by international observers, United Nations, international Red Cross etc." They're numbers we're found to be vastly inflated just earlier this year. | |||
"The only ones suffering are the 1000s of innocent Palestinians yes wipe out Hezbollah hamas and sort Iran out. But the western world is not reporting half of what's really happening. You have tv channels in Israel openly calling for the r..e of women and to remove every last Palestinian. Also attacking the un peacekeepers. Israel is also using a type of barrel bomb which is banned. What you see on the BBC ch4 and sky is what Israel allows you to see.so what are you saying that we should rely on hamas reports then ? In the past their numbers have been verified by international observers, United Nations, international Red Cross etc. They're numbers we're found to be vastly inflated just earlier this year. " *their | |||
"The only ones suffering are the 1000s of innocent Palestinians yes wipe out Hezbollah hamas and sort Iran out. But the western world is not reporting half of what's really happening. You have tv channels in Israel openly calling for the r..e of women and to remove every last Palestinian. Also attacking the un peacekeepers. Israel is also using a type of barrel bomb which is banned. What you see on the BBC ch4 and sky is what Israel allows you to see.so what are you saying that we should rely on hamas reports then ? In the past their numbers have been verified by international observers, United Nations, international Red Cross etc. They're numbers we're found to be vastly inflated just earlier this year. *their" I presume you mean the hospital hit by an hamas rocket. I’m talking about in general. Neither side can claim clean hands in this war. | |||
"If Israel laid down its arms it would be overrun by these Islamic butchers funded by Iran Netanyahu needs to finish the job. " That's what I don't get, What is the end game for Hamas/Hezbollah, The total annihilation of Israel ? If they carry on that's what will happen to them along with thousands an thousands of innocent people on both sides, The UN, NATO etc should of gone in months ago they can't let Israel continue they way they have killing innocent people every time they hit a target | |||
"The only ones suffering are the 1000s of innocent Palestinians yes wipe out Hezbollah hamas and sort Iran out. But the western world is not reporting half of what's really happening. You have tv channels in Israel openly calling for the r..e of women and to remove every last Palestinian. Also attacking the un peacekeepers. Israel is also using a type of barrel bomb which is banned. What you see on the BBC ch4 and sky is what Israel allows you to see.so what are you saying that we should rely on hamas reports then ? In the past their numbers have been verified by international observers, United Nations, international Red Cross etc. They're numbers we're found to be vastly inflated just earlier this year. *their I presume you mean the hospital hit by an hamas rocket. I’m talking about in general. Neither side can claim clean hands in this war." You assume wrongly. In general all of those organisations get their figures from Hamas, who are well-known bullshitters. I'm not sure why you're talking about clean hands on either side. My response was about numbers. | |||
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"If Israel laid down its arms it would be overrun by these Islamic butchers funded by Iran Netanyahu needs to finish the job. That's what I don't get, What is the end game for Hamas/Hezbollah, The total annihilation of Israel ? If they carry on that's what will happen to them along with thousands an thousands of innocent people on both sides, The UN, NATO etc should of gone in months ago they can't let Israel continue they way they have killing innocent people every time they hit a target " If you think the end game for any of these Islamic terrorist groups is the annihilation of Israel you are being naive. These groups will then focus on other groups. aThey cannot allow anyone who does not follow their beliefs to co exist. Such groups have killed many more innocents than Istael, hundreds of thousands killed in tens of thousands of terrorist acts. It will be interesting to see when those condemning Israel right to defend themselves, find themselves under attack from such groups, will they say Islamic terrorism is OK then, or will it be ok for the victims of this to fight back? Mrs x | |||
" The UN, NATO etc should of gone in months ago they can't let Israel continue they way they have killing innocent people every time they hit a target " Took UN three and half years to send peacekeepers to Bosnia. 120,000 dead UN failed dismally in Rwanda. 800,000 slaughtered. No UN or nato peacekeepers in Ukraine. 11,500 civilians and 100,000-300,000 combatant defenders killed. 40,000-45000 killed in Gaza and Lebanon so far, could be a long way to go yet. | |||
"The only ones suffering are the 1000s of innocent Palestinians yes wipe out Hezbollah hamas and sort Iran out. But the western world is not reporting half of what's really happening. You have tv channels in Israel openly calling for the r..e of women and to remove every last Palestinian. Also attacking the un peacekeepers. Israel is also using a type of barrel bomb which is banned. What you see on the BBC ch4 and sky is what Israel allows you to see.so what are you saying that we should rely on hamas reports then ? In the past their numbers have been verified by international observers, United Nations, international Red Cross etc. They're numbers we're found to be vastly inflated just earlier this year. " Please provide proof The lancet the most respected medical journal in the world estimated feats in Gaza to be 186,000 I’d rather take their figures as gospel | |||
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"Channel 4 news reporter last night interviewed a group of Israelis and the woman who was middle aged and likely had her grandparents persecuted during ww2 said all Palestinians should be forced out to England Ireland etc so they the Israelis can build more settlements." Those Zionists are Psychopaths Emboldened by the right wing of the government and their abhorrent views | |||
"If Israel laid down its arms it would be overrun by these Islamic butchers funded by Iran Netanyahu needs to finish the job. That's what I don't get, What is the end game for Hamas/Hezbollah, The total annihilation of Israel ? If they carry on that's what will happen to them along with thousands an thousands of innocent people on both sides, The UN, NATO etc should of gone in months ago they can't let Israel continue they way they have killing innocent people every time they hit a target If you think the end game for any of these Islamic terrorist groups is the annihilation of Israel you are being naive. These groups will then focus on other groups. aThey cannot allow anyone who does not follow their beliefs to co exist. Such groups have killed many more innocents than Istael, hundreds of thousands killed in tens of thousands of terrorist acts. It will be interesting to see when those condemning Israel right to defend themselves, find themselves under attack from such groups, will they say Islamic terrorism is OK then, or will it be ok for the victims of this to fight back? Mrs x" Hamas and Hezbollah were founded to fight Israeli occupation Israel is the aggressor here and always has been | |||
"The only ones suffering are the 1000s of innocent Palestinians yes wipe out Hezbollah hamas and sort Iran out. But the western world is not reporting half of what's really happening. You have tv channels in Israel openly calling for the r..e of women and to remove every last Palestinian. Also attacking the un peacekeepers. Israel is also using a type of barrel bomb which is banned. What you see on the BBC ch4 and sky is what Israel allows you to see.so what are you saying that we should rely on hamas reports then ? In the past their numbers have been verified by international observers, United Nations, international Red Cross etc. They're numbers we're found to be vastly inflated just earlier this year. Please provide proof The lancet the most respected medical journal in the world estimated feats in Gaza to be 186,000 I’d rather take their figures as gospel " The Lancet estimates that 'indirect deaths' could be as high as 186,000, using one particular mathematical formula. These are not direct deaths caused by the conflict and violence. In the same article that estimates the possible 'indirect deaths' The Lancet quotes that... 'By June 19, 2024, 37,396 people had been killed in the Gaza Strip since the attack by Hamas and the Israeli invasion in October, 2023, according to the Gaza Health Ministry, as reported by the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs.' https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(24)01169-3/fulltext So The Lancet is a trusted source but the quote that just under 38,000 deaths have been attributed to the war in Gaza. Mrs x | |||
"If Israel laid down its arms it would be overrun by these Islamic butchers funded by Iran Netanyahu needs to finish the job. That's what I don't get, What is the end game for Hamas/Hezbollah, The total annihilation of Israel ? If they carry on that's what will happen to them along with thousands an thousands of innocent people on both sides, The UN, NATO etc should of gone in months ago they can't let Israel continue they way they have killing innocent people every time they hit a target If you think the end game for any of these Islamic terrorist groups is the annihilation of Israel you are being naive. These groups will then focus on other groups. aThey cannot allow anyone who does not follow their beliefs to co exist. Such groups have killed many more innocents than Istael, hundreds of thousands killed in tens of thousands of terrorist acts. It will be interesting to see when those condemning Israel right to defend themselves, find themselves under attack from such groups, will they say Islamic terrorism is OK then, or will it be ok for the victims of this to fight back? Mrs x Hamas and Hezbollah were founded to fight Israeli occupation Israel is the aggressor here and always has been " They are proxies of a country, Israel has not attacked. Can you tell me why Iran want to wipe out Israel? Mrs x | |||
"The only ones suffering are the 1000s of innocent Palestinians yes wipe out Hezbollah hamas and sort Iran out. But the western world is not reporting half of what's really happening. You have tv channels in Israel openly calling for the r..e of women and to remove every last Palestinian. Also attacking the un peacekeepers. Israel is also using a type of barrel bomb which is banned. What you see on the BBC ch4 and sky is what Israel allows you to see.so what are you saying that we should rely on hamas reports then ? In the past their numbers have been verified by international observers, United Nations, international Red Cross etc. They're numbers we're found to be vastly inflated just earlier this year. Please provide proof The lancet the most respected medical journal in the world estimated feats in Gaza to be 186,000 I’d rather take their figures as gospel The Lancet estimates that 'indirect deaths' could be as high as 186,000, using one particular mathematical formula. These are not direct deaths caused by the conflict and violence. In the same article that estimates the possible 'indirect deaths' The Lancet quotes that... 'By June 19, 2024, 37,396 people had been killed in the Gaza Strip since the attack by Hamas and the Israeli invasion in October, 2023, according to the Gaza Health Ministry, as reported by the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs.' https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(24)01169-3/fulltext So The Lancet is a trusted source but the quote that just under 38,000 deaths have been attributed to the war in Gaza. Mrs x" "According to Gaza Health Ministry" | |||
"The only ones suffering are the 1000s of innocent Palestinians yes wipe out Hezbollah hamas and sort Iran out. But the western world is not reporting half of what's really happening. You have tv channels in Israel openly calling for the r..e of women and to remove every last Palestinian. Also attacking the un peacekeepers. Israel is also using a type of barrel bomb which is banned. What you see on the BBC ch4 and sky is what Israel allows you to see.so what are you saying that we should rely on hamas reports then ? In the past their numbers have been verified by international observers, United Nations, international Red Cross etc. They're numbers we're found to be vastly inflated just earlier this year. Please provide proof The lancet the most respected medical journal in the world estimated feats in Gaza to be 186,000 I’d rather take their figures as gospel The Lancet estimates that 'indirect deaths' could be as high as 186,000, using one particular mathematical formula. These are not direct deaths caused by the conflict and violence. In the same article that estimates the possible 'indirect deaths' The Lancet quotes that... 'By June 19, 2024, 37,396 people had been killed in the Gaza Strip since the attack by Hamas and the Israeli invasion in October, 2023, according to the Gaza Health Ministry, as reported by the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs.' https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(24)01169-3/fulltext So The Lancet is a trusted source but the quote that just under 38,000 deaths have been attributed to the war in Gaza. Mrs x "According to Gaza Health Ministry"" And? Mrs x | |||
"The only ones suffering are the 1000s of innocent Palestinians yes wipe out Hezbollah hamas and sort Iran out. But the western world is not reporting half of what's really happening. You have tv channels in Israel openly calling for the r..e of women and to remove every last Palestinian. Also attacking the un peacekeepers. Israel is also using a type of barrel bomb which is banned. What you see on the BBC ch4 and sky is what Israel allows you to see.so what are you saying that we should rely on hamas reports then ? In the past their numbers have been verified by international observers, United Nations, international Red Cross etc. They're numbers we're found to be vastly inflated just earlier this year. Please provide proof The lancet the most respected medical journal in the world estimated feats in Gaza to be 186,000 I’d rather take their figures as gospel The Lancet estimates that 'indirect deaths' could be as high as 186,000, using one particular mathematical formula. These are not direct deaths caused by the conflict and violence. In the same article that estimates the possible 'indirect deaths' The Lancet quotes that... 'By June 19, 2024, 37,396 people had been killed in the Gaza Strip since the attack by Hamas and the Israeli invasion in October, 2023, according to the Gaza Health Ministry, as reported by the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs.' https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(24)01169-3/fulltext So The Lancet is a trusted source but the quote that just under 38,000 deaths have been attributed to the war in Gaza. Mrs x "According to Gaza Health Ministry"And? Mrs x" The Lancet are quoting the Gaza Health Ministry. Not the most reliable of sources. | |||
"The only ones suffering are the 1000s of innocent Palestinians yes wipe out Hezbollah hamas and sort Iran out. But the western world is not reporting half of what's really happening. You have tv channels in Israel openly calling for the r..e of women and to remove every last Palestinian. Also attacking the un peacekeepers. Israel is also using a type of barrel bomb which is banned. What you see on the BBC ch4 and sky is what Israel allows you to see.so what are you saying that we should rely on hamas reports then ? In the past their numbers have been verified by international observers, United Nations, international Red Cross etc. They're numbers we're found to be vastly inflated just earlier this year. Please provide proof The lancet the most respected medical journal in the world estimated feats in Gaza to be 186,000 I’d rather take their figures as gospel The Lancet estimates that 'indirect deaths' could be as high as 186,000, using one particular mathematical formula. These are not direct deaths caused by the conflict and violence. In the same article that estimates the possible 'indirect deaths' The Lancet quotes that... 'By June 19, 2024, 37,396 people had been killed in the Gaza Strip since the attack by Hamas and the Israeli invasion in October, 2023, according to the Gaza Health Ministry, as reported by the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs.' https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(24)01169-3/fulltext So The Lancet is a trusted source but the quote that just under 38,000 deaths have been attributed to the war in Gaza. Mrs x "According to Gaza Health Ministry"And? Mrs x The Lancet are quoting the Gaza Health Ministry. Not the most reliable of sources. " I'm not interested in the validity of the source the Lancet used, rather the fact that the poster used figures quoted within the Lancets article to repudiate a previous posters figures, in spite of the fact that the Lancet did quote similar earlier in their report and the figures used by this poster were not in relation to actual deaths caused in the conflict but caused 'indirectly'. I just highlighted this as believe that this poster was 'mistaken' or was being disingenuous. Mrs x | |||
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"There are a lot of bodies still under the rubble and secretly buried to cover war crimes. 15% and falling." Do you ever answer the close to an OPs question or do you just spout random percentages? 42 Mrs x | |||
"There are a lot of bodies still under the rubble and secretly buried to cover war crimes. 15% and falling.Do you ever answer the close to an OPs question or do you just spout random percentages? 42 Mrs x" That is now the percentage of the British population who support Israelis on going campaign in Lebanon, Gaza and the West Bank 15% and falling. | |||
"There are a lot of bodies still under the rubble and secretly buried to cover war crimes. 15% and falling.Do you ever answer the close to an OPs question or do you just spout random percentages? 42 Mrs x That is now the percentage of the British population who support Israelis on going campaign in Lebanon, Gaza and the West Bank 15% and falling." Why is that relevant to this thread? It's not even relevant to the ongoing conflict. Israel need to wipe out the courage of terrorism they are currently facing. Terrorism is evil and needs wiping from the face of the earth. Mrs x | |||
"There are a lot of bodies still under the rubble and secretly buried to cover war crimes. 15% and falling." Yes a lot of people murdered by Hamas for not obeying them 👍 | |||
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"There are a lot of bodies still under the rubble and secretly buried to cover war crimes. 15% and falling.Do you ever answer the close to an OPs question or do you just spout random percentages? 42 Mrs x That is now the percentage of the British population who support Israelis on going campaign in Lebanon, Gaza and the West Bank 15% and falling.Why is that relevant to this thread? It's not even relevant to the ongoing conflict. Israel need to wipe out the courage of terrorism they are currently facing. Terrorism is evil and needs wiping from the face of the earth. Mrs x" It’s notoriously difficult to “wipe out” terrorists, as you suggest. Efforts to do so often end up in increasing the number of terrorists. How do you propose “wiping out” terrorists without creating more of them? | |||
"There are a lot of bodies still under the rubble and secretly buried to cover war crimes. 15% and falling.Do you ever answer the close to an OPs question or do you just spout random percentages? 42 Mrs x That is now the percentage of the British population who support Israelis on going campaign in Lebanon, Gaza and the West Bank 15% and falling.Why is that relevant to this thread? It's not even relevant to the ongoing conflict. Israel need to wipe out the courage of terrorism they are currently facing. Terrorism is evil and needs wiping from the face of the earth. Mrs x It’s notoriously difficult to “wipe out” terrorists, as you suggest. Efforts to do so often end up in increasing the number of terrorists. How do you propose “wiping out” terrorists without creating more of them? " Rather than ask me, wouldn't it be helpful if you could come up with a possible solution? Talking and diplomacy is difficult here. When you have one side whose sole aim is the genocidal eradication of not only a whole race of people but anyone who does not believe in the beliefs of their prophet. This is compounded by an agreed protocol of the 3 No's from Khartoum, so that one side in the conflict states there will be No recognition of Israel, No negotiation with Israel and No peace with Israel. So unfortunately I think the only solution is to 'force' one. This is a war and that maybe the only way to remove these evil groups. I know what you say about support increasing amongst the populations where these groups exist and that's undoubtedly true. But its not a one way street, and the same mechanism will increase support amongst the other side. So like other regimes that were beaten I think that this may be the only option for Israel right now. Nazism, Communism and various dictators and murderous regimes have been removed by military means, this may have to happen here. Like I said its not just a Jew/Arab thing. These terrorist groups target anyone who doesn't agree with them, including Muslims. It will not stop if the Jews are wiped out, they will just turn their attentions elsewhere because, like I said before, they are justifying their terrorism by corrupting a holy book. Islamic terrorism can be traced back to the 8 century, it's not a new thing. It needs to stop. Mrs x | |||
"There are a lot of bodies still under the rubble and secretly buried to cover war crimes. 15% and falling.Do you ever answer the close to an OPs question or do you just spout random percentages? 42 Mrs x That is now the percentage of the British population who support Israelis on going campaign in Lebanon, Gaza and the West Bank 15% and falling.Why is that relevant to this thread? It's not even relevant to the ongoing conflict. Israel need to wipe out the courage of terrorism they are currently facing. Terrorism is evil and needs wiping from the face of the earth. Mrs x It’s notoriously difficult to “wipe out” terrorists, as you suggest. Efforts to do so often end up in increasing the number of terrorists. How do you propose “wiping out” terrorists without creating more of them? Rather than ask me, wouldn't it be helpful if you could come up with a possible solution? Talking and diplomacy is difficult here. When you have one side whose sole aim is the genocidal eradication of not only a whole race of people but anyone who does not believe in the beliefs of their prophet. This is compounded by an agreed protocol of the 3 No's from Khartoum, so that one side in the conflict states there will be No recognition of Israel, No negotiation with Israel and No peace with Israel. So unfortunately I think the only solution is to 'force' one. This is a war and that maybe the only way to remove these evil groups. I know what you say about support increasing amongst the populations where these groups exist and that's undoubtedly true. But its not a one way street, and the same mechanism will increase support amongst the other side. So like other regimes that were beaten I think that this may be the only option for Israel right now. Nazism, Communism and various dictators and murderous regimes have been removed by military means, this may have to happen here. Like I said its not just a Jew/Arab thing. These terrorist groups target anyone who doesn't agree with them, including Muslims. It will not stop if the Jews are wiped out, they will just turn their attentions elsewhere because, like I said before, they are justifying their terrorism by corrupting a holy book. Islamic terrorism can be traced back to the 8 century, it's not a new thing. It needs to stop. Mrs x" If they’ve not stopped something that’s existed since the 8th century why do you think that flattening Gaza is going to do it. | |||
"There are a lot of bodies still under the rubble and secretly buried to cover war crimes. 15% and falling.Do you ever answer the close to an OPs question or do you just spout random percentages? 42 Mrs x That is now the percentage of the British population who support Israelis on going campaign in Lebanon, Gaza and the West Bank 15% and falling.Why is that relevant to this thread? It's not even relevant to the ongoing conflict. Israel need to wipe out the courage of terrorism they are currently facing. Terrorism is evil and needs wiping from the face of the earth. Mrs x It’s notoriously difficult to “wipe out” terrorists, as you suggest. Efforts to do so often end up in increasing the number of terrorists. How do you propose “wiping out” terrorists without creating more of them? Rather than ask me, wouldn't it be helpful if you could come up with a possible solution? Talking and diplomacy is difficult here. When you have one side whose sole aim is the genocidal eradication of not only a whole race of people but anyone who does not believe in the beliefs of their prophet. This is compounded by an agreed protocol of the 3 No's from Khartoum, so that one side in the conflict states there will be No recognition of Israel, No negotiation with Israel and No peace with Israel. So unfortunately I think the only solution is to 'force' one. This is a war and that maybe the only way to remove these evil groups. I know what you say about support increasing amongst the populations where these groups exist and that's undoubtedly true. But its not a one way street, and the same mechanism will increase support amongst the other side. So like other regimes that were beaten I think that this may be the only option for Israel right now. Nazism, Communism and various dictators and murderous regimes have been removed by military means, this may have to happen here. Like I said its not just a Jew/Arab thing. These terrorist groups target anyone who doesn't agree with them, including Muslims. It will not stop if the Jews are wiped out, they will just turn their attentions elsewhere because, like I said before, they are justifying their terrorism by corrupting a holy book. Islamic terrorism can be traced back to the 8 century, it's not a new thing. It needs to stop. Mrs x If they’ve not stopped something that’s existed since the 8th century why do you think that flattening Gaza is going to do it." It's not about flattening Gaza, is it? It's not about destroying Lebanon either. However if your enemy is located there then unfortunately that's were the conflict will take place. Mrs x | |||
"There are a lot of bodies still under the rubble and secretly buried to cover war crimes. 15% and falling.Do you ever answer the close to an OPs question or do you just spout random percentages? 42 Mrs x That is now the percentage of the British population who support Israelis on going campaign in Lebanon, Gaza and the West Bank 15% and falling.Why is that relevant to this thread? It's not even relevant to the ongoing conflict. Israel need to wipe out the courage of terrorism they are currently facing. Terrorism is evil and needs wiping from the face of the earth. Mrs x It’s notoriously difficult to “wipe out” terrorists, as you suggest. Efforts to do so often end up in increasing the number of terrorists. How do you propose “wiping out” terrorists without creating more of them? Rather than ask me, wouldn't it be helpful if you could come up with a possible solution? Talking and diplomacy is difficult here. When you have one side whose sole aim is the genocidal eradication of not only a whole race of people but anyone who does not believe in the beliefs of their prophet. This is compounded by an agreed protocol of the 3 No's from Khartoum, so that one side in the conflict states there will be No recognition of Israel, No negotiation with Israel and No peace with Israel. So unfortunately I think the only solution is to 'force' one. This is a war and that maybe the only way to remove these evil groups. I know what you say about support increasing amongst the populations where these groups exist and that's undoubtedly true. But its not a one way street, and the same mechanism will increase support amongst the other side. So like other regimes that were beaten I think that this may be the only option for Israel right now. Nazism, Communism and various dictators and murderous regimes have been removed by military means, this may have to happen here. Like I said its not just a Jew/Arab thing. These terrorist groups target anyone who doesn't agree with them, including Muslims. It will not stop if the Jews are wiped out, they will just turn their attentions elsewhere because, like I said before, they are justifying their terrorism by corrupting a holy book. Islamic terrorism can be traced back to the 8 century, it's not a new thing. It needs to stop. Mrs x If they’ve not stopped something that’s existed since the 8th century why do you think that flattening Gaza is going to do it." Are you saying because something is historical that it shouldn't be tackled? Mrs x | |||
"There are a lot of bodies still under the rubble and secretly buried to cover war crimes. 15% and falling.Do you ever answer the close to an OPs question or do you just spout random percentages? 42 Mrs x That is now the percentage of the British population who support Israelis on going campaign in Lebanon, Gaza and the West Bank 15% and falling.Why is that relevant to this thread? It's not even relevant to the ongoing conflict. Israel need to wipe out the courage of terrorism they are currently facing. Terrorism is evil and needs wiping from the face of the earth. Mrs x It’s notoriously difficult to “wipe out” terrorists, as you suggest. Efforts to do so often end up in increasing the number of terrorists. How do you propose “wiping out” terrorists without creating more of them? Rather than ask me, wouldn't it be helpful if you could come up with a possible solution? Talking and diplomacy is difficult here. When you have one side whose sole aim is the genocidal eradication of not only a whole race of people but anyone who does not believe in the beliefs of their prophet. This is compounded by an agreed protocol of the 3 No's from Khartoum, so that one side in the conflict states there will be No recognition of Israel, No negotiation with Israel and No peace with Israel. So unfortunately I think the only solution is to 'force' one. This is a war and that maybe the only way to remove these evil groups. I know what you say about support increasing amongst the populations where these groups exist and that's undoubtedly true. But its not a one way street, and the same mechanism will increase support amongst the other side. So like other regimes that were beaten I think that this may be the only option for Israel right now. Nazism, Communism and various dictators and murderous regimes have been removed by military means, this may have to happen here. Like I said its not just a Jew/Arab thing. These terrorist groups target anyone who doesn't agree with them, including Muslims. It will not stop if the Jews are wiped out, they will just turn their attentions elsewhere because, like I said before, they are justifying their terrorism by corrupting a holy book. Islamic terrorism can be traced back to the 8 century, it's not a new thing. It needs to stop. Mrs x If they’ve not stopped something that’s existed since the 8th century why do you think that flattening Gaza is going to do it.Are you saying because something is historical that it shouldn't be tackled? Mrs x" There is concern that Israel’s planned response to Iran last rocket attack had been leaked. Apparently this plan was only meant for the information of the 5 eyes, which are US, UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. Maybe if the west were serious about stabilising the Middle East which they have helped destabilise, they should consider bringing in states such as Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt etc. The west thinking they can fix this has failed and will continue to fail. | |||
"There are a lot of bodies still under the rubble and secretly buried to cover war crimes. 15% and falling.Do you ever answer the close to an OPs question or do you just spout random percentages? 42 Mrs x That is now the percentage of the British population who support Israelis on going campaign in Lebanon, Gaza and the West Bank 15% and falling.Why is that relevant to this thread? It's not even relevant to the ongoing conflict. Israel need to wipe out the courage of terrorism they are currently facing. Terrorism is evil and needs wiping from the face of the earth. Mrs x It’s notoriously difficult to “wipe out” terrorists, as you suggest. Efforts to do so often end up in increasing the number of terrorists. How do you propose “wiping out” terrorists without creating more of them? Rather than ask me, wouldn't it be helpful if you could come up with a possible solution? Talking and diplomacy is difficult here. When you have one side whose sole aim is the genocidal eradication of not only a whole race of people but anyone who does not believe in the beliefs of their prophet. This is compounded by an agreed protocol of the 3 No's from Khartoum, so that one side in the conflict states there will be No recognition of Israel, No negotiation with Israel and No peace with Israel. So unfortunately I think the only solution is to 'force' one. This is a war and that maybe the only way to remove these evil groups. I know what you say about support increasing amongst the populations where these groups exist and that's undoubtedly true. But its not a one way street, and the same mechanism will increase support amongst the other side. So like other regimes that were beaten I think that this may be the only option for Israel right now. Nazism, Communism and various dictators and murderous regimes have been removed by military means, this may have to happen here. Like I said its not just a Jew/Arab thing. These terrorist groups target anyone who doesn't agree with them, including Muslims. It will not stop if the Jews are wiped out, they will just turn their attentions elsewhere because, like I said before, they are justifying their terrorism by corrupting a holy book. Islamic terrorism can be traced back to the 8 century, it's not a new thing. It needs to stop. Mrs x If they’ve not stopped something that’s existed since the 8th century why do you think that flattening Gaza is going to do it.Are you saying because something is historical that it shouldn't be tackled? Mrs x There is concern that Israel’s planned response to Iran last rocket attack had been leaked. Apparently this plan was only meant for the information of the 5 eyes, which are US, UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. Maybe if the west were serious about stabilising the Middle East which they have helped destabilise, they should consider bringing in states such as Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt etc. The west thinking they can fix this has failed and will continue to fail." it’s been destabilised since the beginning of time it’s a basket case the west should piss of leave them to it we will only be blamed no matter what they do | |||
"There are a lot of bodies still under the rubble and secretly buried to cover war crimes. 15% and falling.Do you ever answer the close to an OPs question or do you just spout random percentages? 42 Mrs x That is now the percentage of the British population who support Israelis on going campaign in Lebanon, Gaza and the West Bank 15% and falling.Why is that relevant to this thread? It's not even relevant to the ongoing conflict. Israel need to wipe out the courage of terrorism they are currently facing. Terrorism is evil and needs wiping from the face of the earth. Mrs x It’s notoriously difficult to “wipe out” terrorists, as you suggest. Efforts to do so often end up in increasing the number of terrorists. How do you propose “wiping out” terrorists without creating more of them? Rather than ask me, wouldn't it be helpful if you could come up with a possible solution? Talking and diplomacy is difficult here. When you have one side whose sole aim is the genocidal eradication of not only a whole race of people but anyone who does not believe in the beliefs of their prophet. This is compounded by an agreed protocol of the 3 No's from Khartoum, so that one side in the conflict states there will be No recognition of Israel, No negotiation with Israel and No peace with Israel. So unfortunately I think the only solution is to 'force' one. This is a war and that maybe the only way to remove these evil groups. I know what you say about support increasing amongst the populations where these groups exist and that's undoubtedly true. But its not a one way street, and the same mechanism will increase support amongst the other side. So like other regimes that were beaten I think that this may be the only option for Israel right now. Nazism, Communism and various dictators and murderous regimes have been removed by military means, this may have to happen here. Like I said its not just a Jew/Arab thing. These terrorist groups target anyone who doesn't agree with them, including Muslims. It will not stop if the Jews are wiped out, they will just turn their attentions elsewhere because, like I said before, they are justifying their terrorism by corrupting a holy book. Islamic terrorism can be traced back to the 8 century, it's not a new thing. It needs to stop. Mrs x If they’ve not stopped something that’s existed since the 8th century why do you think that flattening Gaza is going to do it.Are you saying because something is historical that it shouldn't be tackled? Mrs x There is concern that Israel’s planned response to Iran last rocket attack had been leaked. Apparently this plan was only meant for the information of the 5 eyes, which are US, UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. Maybe if the west were serious about stabilising the Middle East which they have helped destabilise, they should consider bringing in states such as Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt etc. The west thinking they can fix this has failed and will continue to fail." Not sure I agree with the West destabiling the are, although they haven't helped. You only have to look at all the conflicts between the countries within the Middle East. Also don't think the countries you have select as stabilising are a particularly good choice. Jordan kicked out the Palestinians when they had settled in Jordan as part of Trans Jordan, as have Egypt, who do not want any Palestinians to settle in their country. Saudi is in conflict with the Houthis and has a terrible human rights record, and has waged war on the Yemen, possibly commiting war crimes during this conflict. There has always been conflict in this region, long before the West arrived. Maybe if the players could stop adhering to an evil, pseudo religious ideology the problems could be addressed. Terrorism needs to stop. Mrs x | |||
"There are a lot of bodies still under the rubble and secretly buried to cover war crimes. 15% and falling.Do you ever answer the close to an OPs question or do you just spout random percentages? 42 Mrs x That is now the percentage of the British population who support Israelis on going campaign in Lebanon, Gaza and the West Bank 15% and falling.Why is that relevant to this thread? It's not even relevant to the ongoing conflict. Israel need to wipe out the courage of terrorism they are currently facing. Terrorism is evil and needs wiping from the face of the earth. Mrs x It’s notoriously difficult to “wipe out” terrorists, as you suggest. Efforts to do so often end up in increasing the number of terrorists. How do you propose “wiping out” terrorists without creating more of them? Rather than ask me, wouldn't it be helpful if you could come up with a possible solution? Talking and diplomacy is difficult here. When you have one side whose sole aim is the genocidal eradication of not only a whole race of people but anyone who does not believe in the beliefs of their prophet. This is compounded by an agreed protocol of the 3 No's from Khartoum, so that one side in the conflict states there will be No recognition of Israel, No negotiation with Israel and No peace with Israel. So unfortunately I think the only solution is to 'force' one. This is a war and that maybe the only way to remove these evil groups. I know what you say about support increasing amongst the populations where these groups exist and that's undoubtedly true. But its not a one way street, and the same mechanism will increase support amongst the other side. So like other regimes that were beaten I think that this may be the only option for Israel right now. Nazism, Communism and various dictators and murderous regimes have been removed by military means, this may have to happen here. Like I said its not just a Jew/Arab thing. These terrorist groups target anyone who doesn't agree with them, including Muslims. It will not stop if the Jews are wiped out, they will just turn their attentions elsewhere because, like I said before, they are justifying their terrorism by corrupting a holy book. Islamic terrorism can be traced back to the 8 century, it's not a new thing. It needs to stop. Mrs x If they’ve not stopped something that’s existed since the 8th century why do you think that flattening Gaza is going to do it.Are you saying because something is historical that it shouldn't be tackled? Mrs x There is concern that Israel’s planned response to Iran last rocket attack had been leaked. Apparently this plan was only meant for the information of the 5 eyes, which are US, UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. Maybe if the west were serious about stabilising the Middle East which they have helped destabilise, they should consider bringing in states such as Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt etc. The west thinking they can fix this has failed and will continue to fail.Not sure I agree with the West destabiling the are, although they haven't helped. You only have to look at all the conflicts between the countries within the Middle East. Also don't think the countries you have select as stabilising are a particularly good choice. Jordan kicked out the Palestinians when they had settled in Jordan as part of Trans Jordan, as have Egypt, who do not want any Palestinians to settle in their country. Saudi is in conflict with the Houthis and has a terrible human rights record, and has waged war on the Yemen, possibly commiting war crimes during this conflict. There has always been conflict in this region, long before the West arrived. Maybe if the players could stop adhering to an evil, pseudo religious ideology the problems could be addressed. Terrorism needs to stop. Mrs x" So say the 15%, thank the lord your numbers are falling. | |||
"There are a lot of bodies still under the rubble and secretly buried to cover war crimes. 15% and falling.Do you ever answer the close to an OPs question or do you just spout random percentages? 42 Mrs x That is now the percentage of the British population who support Israelis on going campaign in Lebanon, Gaza and the West Bank 15% and falling.Why is that relevant to this thread? It's not even relevant to the ongoing conflict. Israel need to wipe out the courage of terrorism they are currently facing. Terrorism is evil and needs wiping from the face of the earth. Mrs x It’s notoriously difficult to “wipe out” terrorists, as you suggest. Efforts to do so often end up in increasing the number of terrorists. How do you propose “wiping out” terrorists without creating more of them? Rather than ask me, wouldn't it be helpful if you could come up with a possible solution? Talking and diplomacy is difficult here. When you have one side whose sole aim is the genocidal eradication of not only a whole race of people but anyone who does not believe in the beliefs of their prophet. This is compounded by an agreed protocol of the 3 No's from Khartoum, so that one side in the conflict states there will be No recognition of Israel, No negotiation with Israel and No peace with Israel. So unfortunately I think the only solution is to 'force' one. This is a war and that maybe the only way to remove these evil groups. I know what you say about support increasing amongst the populations where these groups exist and that's undoubtedly true. But its not a one way street, and the same mechanism will increase support amongst the other side. So like other regimes that were beaten I think that this may be the only option for Israel right now. Nazism, Communism and various dictators and murderous regimes have been removed by military means, this may have to happen here. Like I said its not just a Jew/Arab thing. These terrorist groups target anyone who doesn't agree with them, including Muslims. It will not stop if the Jews are wiped out, they will just turn their attentions elsewhere because, like I said before, they are justifying their terrorism by corrupting a holy book. Islamic terrorism can be traced back to the 8 century, it's not a new thing. It needs to stop. Mrs x If they’ve not stopped something that’s existed since the 8th century why do you think that flattening Gaza is going to do it.Are you saying because something is historical that it shouldn't be tackled? Mrs x There is concern that Israel’s planned response to Iran last rocket attack had been leaked. Apparently this plan was only meant for the information of the 5 eyes, which are US, UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. Maybe if the west were serious about stabilising the Middle East which they have helped destabilise, they should consider bringing in states such as Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt etc. The west thinking they can fix this has failed and will continue to fail.Not sure I agree with the West destabiling the are, although they haven't helped. You only have to look at all the conflicts between the countries within the Middle East. Also don't think the countries you have select as stabilising are a particularly good choice. Jordan kicked out the Palestinians when they had settled in Jordan as part of Trans Jordan, as have Egypt, who do not want any Palestinians to settle in their country. Saudi is in conflict with the Houthis and has a terrible human rights record, and has waged war on the Yemen, possibly commiting war crimes during this conflict. There has always been conflict in this region, long before the West arrived. Maybe if the players could stop adhering to an evil, pseudo religious ideology the problems could be addressed. Terrorism needs to stop. Mrs x So say the 15%, thank the lord your numbers are falling." You've not read the latest figures though have you haha 42, Mrs x | |||
"There are a lot of bodies still under the rubble and secretly buried to cover war crimes. 15% and falling.Do you ever answer the close to an OPs question or do you just spout random percentages? 42 Mrs x That is now the percentage of the British population who support Israelis on going campaign in Lebanon, Gaza and the West Bank 15% and falling.Why is that relevant to this thread? It's not even relevant to the ongoing conflict. Israel need to wipe out the courage of terrorism they are currently facing. Terrorism is evil and needs wiping from the face of the earth. Mrs x It’s notoriously difficult to “wipe out” terrorists, as you suggest. Efforts to do so often end up in increasing the number of terrorists. How do you propose “wiping out” terrorists without creating more of them? Rather than ask me, wouldn't it be helpful if you could come up with a possible solution? Talking and diplomacy is difficult here. When you have one side whose sole aim is the genocidal eradication of not only a whole race of people but anyone who does not believe in the beliefs of their prophet. This is compounded by an agreed protocol of the 3 No's from Khartoum, so that one side in the conflict states there will be No recognition of Israel, No negotiation with Israel and No peace with Israel. So unfortunately I think the only solution is to 'force' one. This is a war and that maybe the only way to remove these evil groups. I know what you say about support increasing amongst the populations where these groups exist and that's undoubtedly true. But its not a one way street, and the same mechanism will increase support amongst the other side. So like other regimes that were beaten I think that this may be the only option for Israel right now. Nazism, Communism and various dictators and murderous regimes have been removed by military means, this may have to happen here. Like I said its not just a Jew/Arab thing. These terrorist groups target anyone who doesn't agree with them, including Muslims. It will not stop if the Jews are wiped out, they will just turn their attentions elsewhere because, like I said before, they are justifying their terrorism by corrupting a holy book. Islamic terrorism can be traced back to the 8 century, it's not a new thing. It needs to stop. Mrs x If they’ve not stopped something that’s existed since the 8th century why do you think that flattening Gaza is going to do it.Are you saying because something is historical that it shouldn't be tackled? Mrs x There is concern that Israel’s planned response to Iran last rocket attack had been leaked. Apparently this plan was only meant for the information of the 5 eyes, which are US, UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. Maybe if the west were serious about stabilising the Middle East which they have helped destabilise, they should consider bringing in states such as Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt etc. The west thinking they can fix this has failed and will continue to fail.Not sure I agree with the West destabiling the are, although they haven't helped. You only have to look at all the conflicts between the countries within the Middle East. Also don't think the countries you have select as stabilising are a particularly good choice. Jordan kicked out the Palestinians when they had settled in Jordan as part of Trans Jordan, as have Egypt, who do not want any Palestinians to settle in their country. Saudi is in conflict with the Houthis and has a terrible human rights record, and has waged war on the Yemen, possibly commiting war crimes during this conflict. There has always been conflict in this region, long before the West arrived. Maybe if the players could stop adhering to an evil, pseudo religious ideology the problems could be addressed. Terrorism needs to stop. Mrs x So say the 15%, thank the lord your numbers are falling. You've not read the latest figures though have you haha 42, Mrs x" A HUGE majority of Brits support a ceasefire in Israel and Palestine, putting them at odds with the UK Government and Labour according to a new poll. The polling from YouGov asked 2685 people whether they believe there should or shouldn’t be a ceasefire as the war between Israel and Hamas continues, with a huge civilian loss of life. 58% responded that there “definitely should be” and 18% said there “probably should be”, while only 5% said there “probably shouldn’t be” and 3% said there “definitely shouldn’t be”. This brings the UK public at a direct odds with both the official UK Government policy and that of Labour, the official opposition. | |||
"WWII blitz banks were taken out along with everything else so they are lucky they are not getting hit to that extent. Yeh it's not pretty but then war is never a walk in the park. Hamas and Hez. have made a rod for themselves. They have an agenda to wipe Israel off the face of the Earth. Talk? They make out they want peace but they are false intentions. They've let their own people down." This, also the piers morgan interview with mosab hassan yousef is interesting where mosab explains how they operate and that israel have no choice than to continue what they do. | |||
"There are a lot of bodies still under the rubble and secretly buried to cover war crimes. 15% and falling.Do you ever answer the close to an OPs question or do you just spout random percentages? 42 Mrs x That is now the percentage of the British population who support Israelis on going campaign in Lebanon, Gaza and the West Bank 15% and falling.Why is that relevant to this thread? It's not even relevant to the ongoing conflict. Israel need to wipe out the courage of terrorism they are currently facing. Terrorism is evil and needs wiping from the face of the earth. Mrs x It’s notoriously difficult to “wipe out” terrorists, as you suggest. Efforts to do so often end up in increasing the number of terrorists. How do you propose “wiping out” terrorists without creating more of them? Rather than ask me, wouldn't it be helpful if you could come up with a possible solution? Talking and diplomacy is difficult here. When you have one side whose sole aim is the genocidal eradication of not only a whole race of people but anyone who does not believe in the beliefs of their prophet. This is compounded by an agreed protocol of the 3 No's from Khartoum, so that one side in the conflict states there will be No recognition of Israel, No negotiation with Israel and No peace with Israel. So unfortunately I think the only solution is to 'force' one. This is a war and that maybe the only way to remove these evil groups. I know what you say about support increasing amongst the populations where these groups exist and that's undoubtedly true. But its not a one way street, and the same mechanism will increase support amongst the other side. So like other regimes that were beaten I think that this may be the only option for Israel right now. Nazism, Communism and various dictators and murderous regimes have been removed by military means, this may have to happen here. Like I said its not just a Jew/Arab thing. These terrorist groups target anyone who doesn't agree with them, including Muslims. It will not stop if the Jews are wiped out, they will just turn their attentions elsewhere because, like I said before, they are justifying their terrorism by corrupting a holy book. Islamic terrorism can be traced back to the 8 century, it's not a new thing. It needs to stop. Mrs x If they’ve not stopped something that’s existed since the 8th century why do you think that flattening Gaza is going to do it.Are you saying because something is historical that it shouldn't be tackled? Mrs x There is concern that Israel’s planned response to Iran last rocket attack had been leaked. Apparently this plan was only meant for the information of the 5 eyes, which are US, UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. Maybe if the west were serious about stabilising the Middle East which they have helped destabilise, they should consider bringing in states such as Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt etc. The west thinking they can fix this has failed and will continue to fail.Not sure I agree with the West destabiling the are, although they haven't helped. You only have to look at all the conflicts between the countries within the Middle East. Also don't think the countries you have select as stabilising are a particularly good choice. Jordan kicked out the Palestinians when they had settled in Jordan as part of Trans Jordan, as have Egypt, who do not want any Palestinians to settle in their country. Saudi is in conflict with the Houthis and has a terrible human rights record, and has waged war on the Yemen, possibly commiting war crimes during this conflict. There has always been conflict in this region, long before the West arrived. Maybe if the players could stop adhering to an evil, pseudo religious ideology the problems could be addressed. Terrorism needs to stop. Mrs x So say the 15%, thank the lord your numbers are falling. You've not read the latest figures though have you haha 42, Mrs x A HUGE majority of Brits support a ceasefire in Israel and Palestine, putting them at odds with the UK Government and Labour according to a new poll. The polling from YouGov asked 2685 people whether they believe there should or shouldn’t be a ceasefire as the war between Israel and Hamas continues, with a huge civilian loss of life. 58% responded that there “definitely should be” and 18% said there “probably should be”, while only 5% said there “probably shouldn’t be” and 3% said there “definitely shouldn’t be”. This brings the UK public at a direct odds with both the official UK Government policy and that of Labour, the official opposition." It's doesn't matter how much support anything gets if it cannot be achieved. Hamas does not want a ceasefire for peaceable aims. It would only use this to rearm themselves. You are naive if you think otherwise. Islamic terrorist have killed over a quarter of a million innocents, with fellow Muslims making up the majority of these deaths. Groups like Hamas, Hezbollah, Fatah and all other Islamic terror groups must kill all non believers, it's their reason for existence. So you should be grateful for Israel defending themselves and occupying their efforts right now because if they weren't murdering Israelis, who do you think they'd be coming for next? Not sure you'd be looking for a ceasefire then. Islamic terrorist groups, like all terrorists are evil and need wiping from the face of the earth but maybe you disagree. As for your poll of less than 3000, that's a tiny figure really and your basing your whole argument on this, less the 0.5% of the UK population haha.... 42. Mrs x | |||
"WWII blitz banks were taken out along with everything else so they are lucky they are not getting hit to that extent. Yeh it's not pretty but then war is never a walk in the park. Hamas and Hez. have made a rod for themselves. They have an agenda to wipe Israel off the face of the Earth. Talk? They make out they want peace but they are false intentions. They've let their own people down.This, also the piers morgan interview with mosab hassan yousef is interesting where mosab explains how they operate and that israel have no choice than to continue what they do." That's the 'Green Prince', the son of one of the founders of Hamas. If anyone knows the inner workings of this group it would be him. After all he was being groomed to take over the leadership of Hamas at some stage. This guy says how evil Hamas is and that they will never stop but don't believe him, an ex member of their inner sanctum, he's obviously talking shit and it's all Israel and the Jews fault. People need to realise that if you don't agree with their twisted religious ideology, you are their'enemy', regardless of your own personal beliefs. They all need stopping... now. Mrs x | |||
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"There are a lot of bodies still under the rubble and secretly buried to cover war crimes. 15% and falling.Do you ever answer the close to an OPs question or do you just spout random percentages? 42 Mrs x That is now the percentage of the British population who support Israelis on going campaign in Lebanon, Gaza and the West Bank 15% and falling.Why is that relevant to this thread? It's not even relevant to the ongoing conflict. Israel need to wipe out the courage of terrorism they are currently facing. Terrorism is evil and needs wiping from the face of the earth. Mrs x It’s notoriously difficult to “wipe out” terrorists, as you suggest. Efforts to do so often end up in increasing the number of terrorists. How do you propose “wiping out” terrorists without creating more of them? Rather than ask me, wouldn't it be helpful if you could come up with a possible solution? Talking and diplomacy is difficult here. When you have one side whose sole aim is the genocidal eradication of not only a whole race of people but anyone who does not believe in the beliefs of their prophet. This is compounded by an agreed protocol of the 3 No's from Khartoum, so that one side in the conflict states there will be No recognition of Israel, No negotiation with Israel and No peace with Israel. So unfortunately I think the only solution is to 'force' one. This is a war and that maybe the only way to remove these evil groups. I know what you say about support increasing amongst the populations where these groups exist and that's undoubtedly true. But its not a one way street, and the same mechanism will increase support amongst the other side. So like other regimes that were beaten I think that this may be the only option for Israel right now. Nazism, Communism and various dictators and murderous regimes have been removed by military means, this may have to happen here. Like I said its not just a Jew/Arab thing. These terrorist groups target anyone who doesn't agree with them, including Muslims. It will not stop if the Jews are wiped out, they will just turn their attentions elsewhere because, like I said before, they are justifying their terrorism by corrupting a holy book. Islamic terrorism can be traced back to the 8 century, it's not a new thing. It needs to stop. Mrs x If they’ve not stopped something that’s existed since the 8th century why do you think that flattening Gaza is going to do it.It's not about flattening Gaza, is it? It's not about destroying Lebanon either. However if your enemy is located there then unfortunately that's were the conflict will take place. Mrs x" Unfortunately according to this logic, if Israel had reason to believe that a member of Hamas was hiding in say Wallasey, then Israel would be justified in bombing the entire Wirral peninsula. All the innocents killed when bombs hit schools, hospitals, churches, ordinary people's houses would be unfortunate, but it would be their own fault for allowing a member of Hamas to live hidden amongst themselves. The people of Wirral ought in fact be grateful to Israel for freeing them from the terrorist menace and have no hatred whatsoever for those who dropped bombs killing their parents, children, friends... You see the problem with your justification for the actions of Israel in Gaza? The British could have applied the same "solution" during the times of the IRA terrorism campaign, killing everyone in any Irish town where any terrorist was thought to be located - would this have given us peace? [Historical fact, no it wouldn't, the English tried it in the 1600's, resulting in Cromwell's army killing approximately 50% of the Irish population and giving us 400 years of conflict.] I don't defend Hamas in any way, but the Israeli all-out bombing of Wirral, sorry Gaza, is never going to produce peace only an ever escalating and spreading war. | |||
"There are a lot of bodies still under the rubble and secretly buried to cover war crimes. 15% and falling.Do you ever answer the close to an OPs question or do you just spout random percentages? 42 Mrs x That is now the percentage of the British population who support Israelis on going campaign in Lebanon, Gaza and the West Bank 15% and falling.Why is that relevant to this thread? It's not even relevant to the ongoing conflict. Israel need to wipe out the courage of terrorism they are currently facing. Terrorism is evil and needs wiping from the face of the earth. Mrs x It’s notoriously difficult to “wipe out” terrorists, as you suggest. Efforts to do so often end up in increasing the number of terrorists. How do you propose “wiping out” terrorists without creating more of them? Rather than ask me, wouldn't it be helpful if you could come up with a possible solution? Talking and diplomacy is difficult here. When you have one side whose sole aim is the genocidal eradication of not only a whole race of people but anyone who does not believe in the beliefs of their prophet. This is compounded by an agreed protocol of the 3 No's from Khartoum, so that one side in the conflict states there will be No recognition of Israel, No negotiation with Israel and No peace with Israel. So unfortunately I think the only solution is to 'force' one. This is a war and that maybe the only way to remove these evil groups. I know what you say about support increasing amongst the populations where these groups exist and that's undoubtedly true. But its not a one way street, and the same mechanism will increase support amongst the other side. So like other regimes that were beaten I think that this may be the only option for Israel right now. Nazism, Communism and various dictators and murderous regimes have been removed by military means, this may have to happen here. Like I said its not just a Jew/Arab thing. These terrorist groups target anyone who doesn't agree with them, including Muslims. It will not stop if the Jews are wiped out, they will just turn their attentions elsewhere because, like I said before, they are justifying their terrorism by corrupting a holy book. Islamic terrorism can be traced back to the 8 century, it's not a new thing. It needs to stop. Mrs x If they’ve not stopped something that’s existed since the 8th century why do you think that flattening Gaza is going to do it.Are you saying because something is historical that it shouldn't be tackled? Mrs x There is concern that Israel’s planned response to Iran last rocket attack had been leaked. Apparently this plan was only meant for the information of the 5 eyes, which are US, UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. Maybe if the west were serious about stabilising the Middle East which they have helped destabilise, they should consider bringing in states such as Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt etc. The west thinking they can fix this has failed and will continue to fail.Not sure I agree with the West destabiling the are, although they haven't helped. You only have to look at all the conflicts between the countries within the Middle East. Also don't think the countries you have select as stabilising are a particularly good choice. Jordan kicked out the Palestinians when they had settled in Jordan as part of Trans Jordan, as have Egypt, who do not want any Palestinians to settle in their country. Saudi is in conflict with the Houthis and has a terrible human rights record, and has waged war on the Yemen, possibly commiting war crimes during this conflict. There has always been conflict in this region, long before the West arrived. Maybe if the players could stop adhering to an evil, pseudo religious ideology the problems could be addressed. Terrorism needs to stop. Mrs x So say the 15%, thank the lord your numbers are falling. You've not read the latest figures though have you haha 42, Mrs x A HUGE majority of Brits support a ceasefire in Israel and Palestine, putting them at odds with the UK Government and Labour according to a new poll. The polling from YouGov asked 2685 people whether they believe there should or shouldn’t be a ceasefire as the war between Israel and Hamas continues, with a huge civilian loss of life. 58% responded that there “definitely should be” and 18% said there “probably should be”, while only 5% said there “probably shouldn’t be” and 3% said there “definitely shouldn’t be”. This brings the UK public at a direct odds with both the official UK Government policy and that of Labour, the official opposition.It's doesn't matter how much support anything gets if it cannot be achieved. Hamas does not want a ceasefire for peaceable aims. It would only use this to rearm themselves. You are naive if you think otherwise. Islamic terrorist have killed over a quarter of a million innocents, with fellow Muslims making up the majority of these deaths. Groups like Hamas, Hezbollah, Fatah and all other Islamic terror groups must kill all non believers, it's their reason for existence. So you should be grateful for Israel defending themselves and occupying their efforts right now because if they weren't murdering Israelis, who do you think they'd be coming for next? Not sure you'd be looking for a ceasefire then. Islamic terrorist groups, like all terrorists are evil and need wiping from the face of the earth but maybe you disagree. As for your poll of less than 3000, that's a tiny figure really and your basing your whole argument on this, less the 0.5% of the UK population haha.... 42. Mrs x" If they where coming for us then, I am all but sure they are coming for us now, I would say some are already here. No there was a major poll 2 months ago, right now only 15% do support a war, (it is not a war it is a culling), so politically this is damaging for labour as Gaza is not going to be forgotten. | |||
"There are a lot of bodies still under the rubble and secretly buried to cover war crimes. 15% and falling.Do you ever answer the close to an OPs question or do you just spout random percentages? 42 Mrs x That is now the percentage of the British population who support Israelis on going campaign in Lebanon, Gaza and the West Bank 15% and falling.Why is that relevant to this thread? It's not even relevant to the ongoing conflict. Israel need to wipe out the courage of terrorism they are currently facing. Terrorism is evil and needs wiping from the face of the earth. Mrs x It’s notoriously difficult to “wipe out” terrorists, as you suggest. Efforts to do so often end up in increasing the number of terrorists. How do you propose “wiping out” terrorists without creating more of them? Rather than ask me, wouldn't it be helpful if you could come up with a possible solution? Talking and diplomacy is difficult here. When you have one side whose sole aim is the genocidal eradication of not only a whole race of people but anyone who does not believe in the beliefs of their prophet. This is compounded by an agreed protocol of the 3 No's from Khartoum, so that one side in the conflict states there will be No recognition of Israel, No negotiation with Israel and No peace with Israel. So unfortunately I think the only solution is to 'force' one. This is a war and that maybe the only way to remove these evil groups. I know what you say about support increasing amongst the populations where these groups exist and that's undoubtedly true. But its not a one way street, and the same mechanism will increase support amongst the other side. So like other regimes that were beaten I think that this may be the only option for Israel right now. Nazism, Communism and various dictators and murderous regimes have been removed by military means, this may have to happen here. Like I said its not just a Jew/Arab thing. These terrorist groups target anyone who doesn't agree with them, including Muslims. It will not stop if the Jews are wiped out, they will just turn their attentions elsewhere because, like I said before, they are justifying their terrorism by corrupting a holy book. Islamic terrorism can be traced back to the 8 century, it's not a new thing. It needs to stop. Mrs x If they’ve not stopped something that’s existed since the 8th century why do you think that flattening Gaza is going to do it.Are you saying because something is historical that it shouldn't be tackled? Mrs x There is concern that Israel’s planned response to Iran last rocket attack had been leaked. Apparently this plan was only meant for the information of the 5 eyes, which are US, UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. Maybe if the west were serious about stabilising the Middle East which they have helped destabilise, they should consider bringing in states such as Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt etc. The west thinking they can fix this has failed and will continue to fail.Not sure I agree with the West destabiling the are, although they haven't helped. You only have to look at all the conflicts between the countries within the Middle East. Also don't think the countries you have select as stabilising are a particularly good choice. Jordan kicked out the Palestinians when they had settled in Jordan as part of Trans Jordan, as have Egypt, who do not want any Palestinians to settle in their country. Saudi is in conflict with the Houthis and has a terrible human rights record, and has waged war on the Yemen, possibly commiting war crimes during this conflict. There has always been conflict in this region, long before the West arrived. Maybe if the players could stop adhering to an evil, pseudo religious ideology the problems could be addressed. Terrorism needs to stop. Mrs x So say the 15%, thank the lord your numbers are falling. You've not read the latest figures though have you haha 42, Mrs x A HUGE majority of Brits support a ceasefire in Israel and Palestine, putting them at odds with the UK Government and Labour according to a new poll. The polling from YouGov asked 2685 people whether they believe there should or shouldn’t be a ceasefire as the war between Israel and Hamas continues, with a huge civilian loss of life. 58% responded that there “definitely should be” and 18% said there “probably should be”, while only 5% said there “probably shouldn’t be” and 3% said there “definitely shouldn’t be”. This brings the UK public at a direct odds with both the official UK Government policy and that of Labour, the official opposition.It's doesn't matter how much support anything gets if it cannot be achieved. Hamas does not want a ceasefire for peaceable aims. It would only use this to rearm themselves. You are naive if you think otherwise. Islamic terrorist have killed over a quarter of a million innocents, with fellow Muslims making up the majority of these deaths. Groups like Hamas, Hezbollah, Fatah and all other Islamic terror groups must kill all non believers, it's their reason for existence. So you should be grateful for Israel defending themselves and occupying their efforts right now because if they weren't murdering Israelis, who do you think they'd be coming for next? Not sure you'd be looking for a ceasefire then. Islamic terrorist groups, like all terrorists are evil and need wiping from the face of the earth but maybe you disagree. As for your poll of less than 3000, that's a tiny figure really and your basing your whole argument on this, less the 0.5% of the UK population haha.... 42. Mrs x If they where coming for us then, I am all but sure they are coming for us now, I would say some are already here. No there was a major poll 2 months ago, right now only 15% do support a war, (it is not a war it is a culling), so politically this is damaging for labour as Gaza is not going to be forgotten." You quoted a different poll on purpose then haha. I could stand outside Prenton Park, ask more than 3000 people who they thought was the best team in the world and they lo and behold Tranmere Rovers could be the answer given. A poll of less than 0.5% of the population is not very representative is it haha, you clearly are one of the 3.7% of the population who struggles with statistics. As for your thoughts that they are already here are you happy about that? Is it OK for any terrorist action to go with no response from our government? 96.31% of UK adults say we should respond in such circumstances, what do you think about that?. Mrs x | |||
"Hospitals , tower blocks, refugee camps, Red Crescent vehicles, journalists, schools all have been targeted by Israel The so called “most moral army in the world “ are committing a genocide and we are idly letting it happen Where is the mantra of “never again” now Just shows that in the media and you may not consciously feel it that an Israeli life is more precious that that of a Palestinian "
Anyone with the slightest bit of sympathy left for Israel must need their head testing.
I read the report how the soldiers shot and killed three of their own hostages that had managed to escape. They were stripped from the waist, shouting for help I’m waving white flags.
If this is what they can do to their own citizens waving white flags what chance would any Palestinian civilians have…
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"There are a lot of bodies still under the rubble and secretly buried to cover war crimes. 15% and falling.Do you ever answer the close to an OPs question or do you just spout random percentages? 42 Mrs x That is now the percentage of the British population who support Israelis on going campaign in Lebanon, Gaza and the West Bank 15% and falling.Why is that relevant to this thread? It's not even relevant to the ongoing conflict. Israel need to wipe out the courage of terrorism they are currently facing. Terrorism is evil and needs wiping from the face of the earth. Mrs x It’s notoriously difficult to “wipe out” terrorists, as you suggest. Efforts to do so often end up in increasing the number of terrorists. How do you propose “wiping out” terrorists without creating more of them? Rather than ask me, wouldn't it be helpful if you could come up with a possible solution? Talking and diplomacy is difficult here. When you have one side whose sole aim is the genocidal eradication of not only a whole race of people but anyone who does not believe in the beliefs of their prophet. This is compounded by an agreed protocol of the 3 No's from Khartoum, so that one side in the conflict states there will be No recognition of Israel, No negotiation with Israel and No peace with Israel. So unfortunately I think the only solution is to 'force' one. This is a war and that maybe the only way to remove these evil groups. I know what you say about support increasing amongst the populations where these groups exist and that's undoubtedly true. But its not a one way street, and the same mechanism will increase support amongst the other side. So like other regimes that were beaten I think that this may be the only option for Israel right now. Nazism, Communism and various dictators and murderous regimes have been removed by military means, this may have to happen here. Like I said its not just a Jew/Arab thing. These terrorist groups target anyone who doesn't agree with them, including Muslims. It will not stop if the Jews are wiped out, they will just turn their attentions elsewhere because, like I said before, they are justifying their terrorism by corrupting a holy book. Islamic terrorism can be traced back to the 8 century, it's not a new thing. It needs to stop. Mrs x If they’ve not stopped something that’s existed since the 8th century why do you think that flattening Gaza is going to do it.Are you saying because something is historical that it shouldn't be tackled? Mrs x There is concern that Israel’s planned response to Iran last rocket attack had been leaked. Apparently this plan was only meant for the information of the 5 eyes, which are US, UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. Maybe if the west were serious about stabilising the Middle East which they have helped destabilise, they should consider bringing in states such as Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt etc. The west thinking they can fix this has failed and will continue to fail.Not sure I agree with the West destabiling the are, although they haven't helped. You only have to look at all the conflicts between the countries within the Middle East. Also don't think the countries you have select as stabilising are a particularly good choice. Jordan kicked out the Palestinians when they had settled in Jordan as part of Trans Jordan, as have Egypt, who do not want any Palestinians to settle in their country. Saudi is in conflict with the Houthis and has a terrible human rights record, and has waged war on the Yemen, possibly commiting war crimes during this conflict. There has always been conflict in this region, long before the West arrived. Maybe if the players could stop adhering to an evil, pseudo religious ideology the problems could be addressed. Terrorism needs to stop. Mrs x So say the 15%, thank the lord your numbers are falling. You've not read the latest figures though have you haha 42, Mrs x A HUGE majority of Brits support a ceasefire in Israel and Palestine, putting them at odds with the UK Government and Labour according to a new poll. The polling from YouGov asked 2685 people whether they believe there should or shouldn’t be a ceasefire as the war between Israel and Hamas continues, with a huge civilian loss of life. 58% responded that there “definitely should be” and 18% said there “probably should be”, while only 5% said there “probably shouldn’t be” and 3% said there “definitely shouldn’t be”. This brings the UK public at a direct odds with both the official UK Government policy and that of Labour, the official opposition.It's doesn't matter how much support anything gets if it cannot be achieved. Hamas does not want a ceasefire for peaceable aims. It would only use this to rearm themselves. You are naive if you think otherwise. Islamic terrorist have killed over a quarter of a million innocents, with fellow Muslims making up the majority of these deaths. Groups like Hamas, Hezbollah, Fatah and all other Islamic terror groups must kill all non believers, it's their reason for existence. So you should be grateful for Israel defending themselves and occupying their efforts right now because if they weren't murdering Israelis, who do you think they'd be coming for next? Not sure you'd be looking for a ceasefire then. Islamic terrorist groups, like all terrorists are evil and need wiping from the face of the earth but maybe you disagree. As for your poll of less than 3000, that's a tiny figure really and your basing your whole argument on this, less the 0.5% of the UK population haha.... 42. Mrs x If they where coming for us then, I am all but sure they are coming for us now, I would say some are already here. No there was a major poll 2 months ago, right now only 15% do support a war, (it is not a war it is a culling), so politically this is damaging for labour as Gaza is not going to be forgotten.You quoted a different poll on purpose then haha. I could stand outside Prenton Park, ask more than 3000 people who they thought was the best team in the world and they lo and behold Tranmere Rovers could be the answer given. A poll of less than 0.5% of the population is not very representative is it haha, you clearly are one of the 3.7% of the population who struggles with statistics. As for your thoughts that they are already here are you happy about that? Is it OK for any terrorist action to go with no response from our government? 96.31% of UK adults say we should respond in such circumstances, what do you think about that?. Mrs x" You clearly don’t understand how polls work. Israel military have committed for worse atrocities than most terrorist organisations. They also prevent reportiers in Gaza so that the world cannot see. I just watched a couple of videos of soldiers beating up palastian children in a sweet shop in front of the mums, for no reason. Another one of soldiers throwing civilians off the top of buildings in Gaza… | |||
"There are a lot of bodies still under the rubble and secretly buried to cover war crimes. 15% and falling.Do you ever answer the close to an OPs question or do you just spout random percentages? 42 Mrs x That is now the percentage of the British population who support Israelis on going campaign in Lebanon, Gaza and the West Bank 15% and falling.Why is that relevant to this thread? It's not even relevant to the ongoing conflict. Israel need to wipe out the courage of terrorism they are currently facing. Terrorism is evil and needs wiping from the face of the earth. Mrs x It’s notoriously difficult to “wipe out” terrorists, as you suggest. Efforts to do so often end up in increasing the number of terrorists. How do you propose “wiping out” terrorists without creating more of them? Rather than ask me, wouldn't it be helpful if you could come up with a possible solution? Talking and diplomacy is difficult here. When you have one side whose sole aim is the genocidal eradication of not only a whole race of people but anyone who does not believe in the beliefs of their prophet. This is compounded by an agreed protocol of the 3 No's from Khartoum, so that one side in the conflict states there will be No recognition of Israel, No negotiation with Israel and No peace with Israel. So unfortunately I think the only solution is to 'force' one. This is a war and that maybe the only way to remove these evil groups. I know what you say about support increasing amongst the populations where these groups exist and that's undoubtedly true. But its not a one way street, and the same mechanism will increase support amongst the other side. So like other regimes that were beaten I think that this may be the only option for Israel right now. Nazism, Communism and various dictators and murderous regimes have been removed by military means, this may have to happen here. Like I said its not just a Jew/Arab thing. These terrorist groups target anyone who doesn't agree with them, including Muslims. It will not stop if the Jews are wiped out, they will just turn their attentions elsewhere because, like I said before, they are justifying their terrorism by corrupting a holy book. Islamic terrorism can be traced back to the 8 century, it's not a new thing. It needs to stop. Mrs x If they’ve not stopped something that’s existed since the 8th century why do you think that flattening Gaza is going to do it.Are you saying because something is historical that it shouldn't be tackled? Mrs x There is concern that Israel’s planned response to Iran last rocket attack had been leaked. Apparently this plan was only meant for the information of the 5 eyes, which are US, UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. Maybe if the west were serious about stabilising the Middle East which they have helped destabilise, they should consider bringing in states such as Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt etc. The west thinking they can fix this has failed and will continue to fail.Not sure I agree with the West destabiling the are, although they haven't helped. You only have to look at all the conflicts between the countries within the Middle East. Also don't think the countries you have select as stabilising are a particularly good choice. Jordan kicked out the Palestinians when they had settled in Jordan as part of Trans Jordan, as have Egypt, who do not want any Palestinians to settle in their country. Saudi is in conflict with the Houthis and has a terrible human rights record, and has waged war on the Yemen, possibly commiting war crimes during this conflict. There has always been conflict in this region, long before the West arrived. Maybe if the players could stop adhering to an evil, pseudo religious ideology the problems could be addressed. Terrorism needs to stop. Mrs x So say the 15%, thank the lord your numbers are falling. You've not read the latest figures though have you haha 42, Mrs x A HUGE majority of Brits support a ceasefire in Israel and Palestine, putting them at odds with the UK Government and Labour according to a new poll. The polling from YouGov asked 2685 people whether they believe there should or shouldn’t be a ceasefire as the war between Israel and Hamas continues, with a huge civilian loss of life. 58% responded that there “definitely should be” and 18% said there “probably should be”, while only 5% said there “probably shouldn’t be” and 3% said there “definitely shouldn’t be”. This brings the UK public at a direct odds with both the official UK Government policy and that of Labour, the official opposition.It's doesn't matter how much support anything gets if it cannot be achieved. Hamas does not want a ceasefire for peaceable aims. It would only use this to rearm themselves. You are naive if you think otherwise. Islamic terrorist have killed over a quarter of a million innocents, with fellow Muslims making up the majority of these deaths. Groups like Hamas, Hezbollah, Fatah and all other Islamic terror groups must kill all non believers, it's their reason for existence. So you should be grateful for Israel defending themselves and occupying their efforts right now because if they weren't murdering Israelis, who do you think they'd be coming for next? Not sure you'd be looking for a ceasefire then. Islamic terrorist groups, like all terrorists are evil and need wiping from the face of the earth but maybe you disagree. As for your poll of less than 3000, that's a tiny figure really and your basing your whole argument on this, less the 0.5% of the UK population haha.... 42. Mrs x If they where coming for us then, I am all but sure they are coming for us now, I would say some are already here. No there was a major poll 2 months ago, right now only 15% do support a war, (it is not a war it is a culling), so politically this is damaging for labour as Gaza is not going to be forgotten.You quoted a different poll on purpose then haha. I could stand outside Prenton Park, ask more than 3000 people who they thought was the best team in the world and they lo and behold Tranmere Rovers could be the answer given. A poll of less than 0.5% of the population is not very representative is it haha, you clearly are one of the 3.7% of the population who struggles with statistics. As for your thoughts that they are already here are you happy about that? Is it OK for any terrorist action to go with no response from our government? 96.31% of UK adults say we should respond in such circumstances, what do you think about that?. Mrs x You clearly don’t understand how polls work. Israel military have committed for worse atrocities than most terrorist organisations. They also prevent reportiers in Gaza so that the world cannot see. I just watched a couple of videos of soldiers beating up palastian children in a sweet shop in front of the mums, for no reason. Another one of soldiers throwing civilians off the top of buildings in Gaza…" What? I don't understand how polls work becausevtye Israeli military have committed atrocities? Someone doesn't understand how polls work and I'm pretty sure it's not me. As for Israel committing worse atrocities, you've obviously not seen the images of the baby burnt alive in an oven by Hamas. What about any of the beheading that were filmed and posted on the Internet for all to see. Tell Nick Bergs family that. And Islamic terrorist groups have thrown loads off a variety of tools. They've done this for a variety of reasons, Israelis, just fir being Jewish, Hay Muslims, non believing Muslims, Muslim woman for not wearing appropriate attire. Islamist terror groups have killed over a quarter of a million, in terror attacks, since the early 2000s. They've killed more Muslims than Israel has, which appears strange when you think about it. Sorry I cannot comment on soldiers throwing civilians off roofs, if you could give a source I could look and respond. Mrs x | |||
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"WWII blitz banks were taken out along with everything else so they are lucky they are not getting hit to that extent. Yeh it's not pretty but then war is never a walk in the park. Hamas and Hez. have made a rod for themselves. They have an agenda to wipe Israel off the face of the Earth. Talk? They make out they want peace but they are false intentions. They've let their own people down.This, also the piers morgan interview with mosab hassan yousef is interesting where mosab explains how they operate and that israel have no choice than to continue what they do.That's the 'Green Prince', the son of one of the founders of Hamas. If anyone knows the inner workings of this group it would be him. After all he was being groomed to take over the leadership of Hamas at some stage. This guy says how evil Hamas is and that they will never stop but don't believe him, an ex member of their inner sanctum, he's obviously talking shit and it's all Israel and the Jews fault. People need to realise that if you don't agree with their twisted religious ideology, you are their'enemy', regardless of your own personal beliefs. They all need stopping... now. Mrs x " Yes, you are right there, that is the "green prince" yes, he talks about how hamas operates and the ideology, he also warns west about them too. | |||
"There are a lot of bodies still under the rubble and secretly buried to cover war crimes. 15% and falling.Do you ever answer the close to an OPs question or do you just spout random percentages? 42 Mrs x That is now the percentage of the British population who support Israelis on going campaign in Lebanon, Gaza and the West Bank 15% and falling.Why is that relevant to this thread? It's not even relevant to the ongoing conflict. Israel need to wipe out the courage of terrorism they are currently facing. Terrorism is evil and needs wiping from the face of the earth. Mrs x It’s notoriously difficult to “wipe out” terrorists, as you suggest. Efforts to do so often end up in increasing the number of terrorists. How do you propose “wiping out” terrorists without creating more of them? Rather than ask me, wouldn't it be helpful if you could come up with a possible solution? Talking and diplomacy is difficult here. When you have one side whose sole aim is the genocidal eradication of not only a whole race of people but anyone who does not believe in the beliefs of their prophet. This is compounded by an agreed protocol of the 3 No's from Khartoum, so that one side in the conflict states there will be No recognition of Israel, No negotiation with Israel and No peace with Israel. So unfortunately I think the only solution is to 'force' one. This is a war and that maybe the only way to remove these evil groups. I know what you say about support increasing amongst the populations where these groups exist and that's undoubtedly true. But its not a one way street, and the same mechanism will increase support amongst the other side. So like other regimes that were beaten I think that this may be the only option for Israel right now. Nazism, Communism and various dictators and murderous regimes have been removed by military means, this may have to happen here. Like I said its not just a Jew/Arab thing. These terrorist groups target anyone who doesn't agree with them, including Muslims. It will not stop if the Jews are wiped out, they will just turn their attentions elsewhere because, like I said before, they are justifying their terrorism by corrupting a holy book. Islamic terrorism can be traced back to the 8 century, it's not a new thing. It needs to stop. Mrs x If they’ve not stopped something that’s existed since the 8th century why do you think that flattening Gaza is going to do it.It's not about flattening Gaza, is it? It's not about destroying Lebanon either. However if your enemy is located there then unfortunately that's were the conflict will take place. Mrs x Unfortunately according to this logic, if Israel had reason to believe that a member of Hamas was hiding in say Wallasey, then Israel would be justified in bombing the entire Wirral peninsula. All the innocents killed when bombs hit schools, hospitals, churches, ordinary people's houses would be unfortunate, but it would be their own fault for allowing a member of Hamas to live hidden amongst themselves. The people of Wirral ought in fact be grateful to Israel for freeing them from the terrorist menace and have no hatred whatsoever for those who dropped bombs killing their parents, children, friends... You see the problem with your justification for the actions of Israel in Gaza? The British could have applied the same "solution" during the times of the IRA terrorism campaign, killing everyone in any Irish town where any terrorist was thought to be located - would this have given us peace? [Historical fact, no it wouldn't, the English tried it in the 1600's, resulting in Cromwell's army killing approximately 50% of the Irish population and giving us 400 years of conflict.] I don't defend Hamas in any way, but the Israeli all-out bombing of Wirral, sorry Gaza, is never going to produce peace only an ever escalating and spreading war. " Your proposal that the while of Gaza is being bombed to eradicate one member of Hamas is not only ridiculous but an over simplification of the situation. Israel are doing what they are doing to eradicate tens of thousands of terrorists all with the ultimate aim of winning a genocide of the Jews and the Jewish state. Hamas attacked civilians on the 7th October for no other reason than to cause terror, there was no military objective to these actions. Israel response is military in nature, it has an objective other than to just spread fear. The number of casualties is terrible and all innocent lives lost is a tragedy, but when you quote all the locations without giving context it seems that Israel is targetting civilians and it's not. Israel has leaflet dropped such locations, even sent texts warning of attacks on these locations. They have done this because they believe there has been a military threat at these locations, weapons, missile launchers or high ranking Hamas terrorists there. I'm not saying that mistakes have not been made because they undoubtedly have but these could be mitigated by Gazans if they moved from these sites when warned. Hamas on the other hand have ordered their civilians to stay put, they have used them as a human shield and have no regard for their safety. The formula used to look at civilian casualties in wartime shows that the number of casualties do not exceed the norm for this type of war. And when you say Gazans could not just leave an hide, we'll they could. 95% of Gaza is empty, not developed, just grab your kids and head 'for the hills'. This is not ideal I know but going hungry and thirsty is not as bad as having to eat heavy ordinance because the terrorist group that was voted into power in Gaza told you you had to stay there during the attack. Hide like most people did during the Blitz. This running away tactic to preserve yours and your love ones lives has been used throughout history bit unfortunately civilian casualties are wanted by Hamas, they use this for anti semitic propaganda. As for your assertion that bombing will not produce peace that's not always the case is it? Historical fact, I thought I'd present it like those as you seem to like it, but it worked really well in removing Nazism from Germany at the end of WW2. It was supremely effective at bringing the ear in the Far East to a halt too. Im aware that both these examples caused tremendous civilian casualties but both were done for the greater good and ultimately 'saved' lives, something that Israel is trying to achieve herr. Sometimes force is the only way to achieve the aims of removing an evil ideology, dictator or terrorist regime. There may be another option to remove this heinous, false religious, terrorist group. Ordinary Gazans could have risen up to remove them. It would probably require force as well but this has proved effective in lots of places world wide. Gazans have not chosen this approach and maybe it's to do with The fact that they voted in Hamas, knowing what their aims were in relation to the genocide of the Jews and Israel. So whilst I can understand your passion in your argument, it's fundamental flawed. Israel is not flattening Gaza to get to one terrorist, they are after wiping out Hamas due to them being a terrorist group which has vowed to kill all Jews and wipe out Israel. They don't target civilians but unfortunately Hamas hide amongst civilians and use weapons from these locations to attack Israel and force has been used to affect regime change throughout history and unfortunately I think that's what might be happening here. Terrorism is evil and needs to be attacked and wiped out no matter where it raises its head. Mrs x | |||
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"The government which is now dominated by the far right have no intention of stopping until they have driven all Palestinians out of Gaza! Theirs tv stations in Israel openly calling for Gaza to be flattened so they can eventually build new settlements. Just like the illegal settlements. BBC. sky news. ITV.dont show half of what's happening in gaza as Israel won't allow it. 177 media personal killed the deliberate targeting of aid workers.and now banning unrwa from Gaza Israel are intent on starving the civilians of food water and medical supplies. " Which aid workers have they deliberately targeted? Can you provide sources and citations for this so I can read about this please? Mrs x | |||
"The government which is now dominated by the far right have no intention of stopping until they have driven all Palestinians out of Gaza! Theirs tv stations in Israel openly calling for Gaza to be flattened so they can eventually build new settlements. Just like the illegal settlements. BBC. sky news. ITV.dont show half of what's happening in gaza as Israel won't allow it. 177 media personal killed the deliberate targeting of aid workers.and now banning unrwa from Gaza Israel are intent on starving the civilians of food water and medical supplies. Which aid workers have they deliberately targeted? Can you provide sources and citations for this so I can read about this please? Mrs x" there's plenty of independent evidence even tho weeks after it happened the bbc reported that a car carrying a family was hit by a missile 2 young Palestinian girls survived one managed to call the relief workers who then sent a ambulance which was then targeted. Also as shown on ch4 news the 3 vehicles carrying aid targeted and blown up ch4 showed satellite footage of the attack after Israeli officials said they wasn't in the area but ch4 news proved they was. It seems to me you have no sympathy for the innocent Palestinians in the genocide of Gaza! | |||
"The government which is now dominated by the far right have no intention of stopping until they have driven all Palestinians out of Gaza! Theirs tv stations in Israel openly calling for Gaza to be flattened so they can eventually build new settlements. Just like the illegal settlements. BBC. sky news. ITV.dont show half of what's happening in gaza as Israel won't allow it. 177 media personal killed the deliberate targeting of aid workers.and now banning unrwa from Gaza Israel are intent on starving the civilians of food water and medical supplies. Which aid workers have they deliberately targeted? Can you provide sources and citations for this so I can read about this please? Mrs xthere's plenty of independent evidence even tho weeks after it happened the bbc reported that a car carrying a family was hit by a missile 2 young Palestinian girls survived one managed to call the relief workers who then sent a ambulance which was then targeted. Also as shown on ch4 news the 3 vehicles carrying aid targeted and blown up ch4 showed satellite footage of the attack after Israeli officials said they wasn't in the area but ch4 news proved they was. It seems to me you have no sympathy for the innocent Palestinians in the genocide of Gaza!" I have sympathy for all lives lost. You are quoting the WCK convoy, Israel said they had made a mistake but targeted it due to believing Hamas were onboard. One of the aid workers was Australian and tge Australian authorities looked into this and concluded that Israel had not targeted the aid workers but had made a genuine mistake. As for where you say my sympathies lie I could say the same for you. As for your genocide claims how do you square that with the fact that 2 million Palestinians actually live in Israel in peace, either not very good at genocide or they don't want to kill all Palestinians but want to remove the threat of Hamas. Mrs x | |||
