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" It’s generally a mistake to take anything he says too seriously, or take it literally. He often just said the first thing that comes into his head, or says something he thinks makes him sound “strong” … like ending the Ukraine war on day 1 if his presidency. There is rarely any substance, thought or plan behind these headline-grabbing statements. " aye, he promised to end global terrorism in 48hrs back in 2016 .... but like all his promises he achieved absolutely nothing over his four years .... still, the stuff the republicans are saying about the democrats controlling the weather makes grump a shoo-in for all the beardy wierdy foil hatters. | |||
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"He's a "business" Man, He has said before the US pay out/support a lot of countries around the world in one way or another, In his/some peoples opinions they give more then they take so he wants to balance it out a little, No different with any leader from any country trying to get the best deal, I'm no fan of his but it does make me laugh at how some people make out he's the next Hitler or dangerous for the world, Yes he comes across thick as pig shit at times but he has a different approach so I'd like to see him get another chance" “He is a businessman”. Yes. One with a long track record of corruption, shafting suppliers, bankruptcy, and other dodgy business behaviour. I don’t trust anything he says. | |||
"He's throwing red meat to elements of his voter base that feel their country should not be undercut by anyone else. Which, considering the USA is a capitalist country and follows capitalist doctrines, they sure kick up a stink when others can manufacture goods cheaper than they can. Tariffs are punitive measures. They do not encourage competition and are designed to punish it. This distorts the economics of capitalism and certainly does not ensure a free market. The general population decided that they liked cheaper goods. So do the shareholders as it benefits the share price. . When all is said and done, Trump could indeed raise tariffs, but it'll hurt the economies of all countries (USA & Competitors) and waste countless money for all in the administrative "tit-for-tat". I am not sure some of the very powerful and wealthy shareholders of the affected companies are going to tolerate any such move by Trump. Not when such actions hit their bottom line (and share price). " Yeah. Protectionism doesn’t work | |||
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"I hope that Trump gets elected president again, and expect he will. A trade war with the EU is something the USA will win. It might just be the final nail in the EU coffin. 👍🏻" Ah a Brexit/Ukip/Reform voter still thinking the EU is about to collapse. It’s like 2016 all over again. | |||
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"I hope that Trump gets elected president again, and expect he will. A trade war with the EU is something the USA will win. It might just be the final nail in the EU coffin. 👍🏻 Ah a Brexit/Ukip/Reform voter still thinking the EU is about to collapse. It’s like 2016 all over again." It is, and is only a matter of time! | |||
"It’s political gesturing. A continuation of his America First approach. Making moves to keep out or reduce foreign made/supplied goods in BC a bid to promote industries at home and win the support of voters. He just hasn’t thought too much about the negative impacts that this could bring to American companies operating abroad and the likely repercussions of ‘tit for tat’ responses from Europe. " It is a no one wins type scenario for the reasons you mention. Is it just an American thing though. The EU took the same approach with China over EV's and China has retaliated. | |||
"I hope that Trump gets elected president again, and expect he will. A trade war with the EU is something the USA will win. It might just be the final nail in the EU coffin. 👍🏻"  | |||
"It’s political gesturing. A continuation of his America First approach. Making moves to keep out or reduce foreign made/supplied goods in BC a bid to promote industries at home and win the support of voters. He just hasn’t thought too much about the negative impacts that this could bring to American companies operating abroad and the likely repercussions of ‘tit for tat’ responses from Europe. It is a no one wins type scenario for the reasons you mention. Is it just an American thing though. The EU took the same approach with China over EV's and China has retaliated. " Hush now people don't like the truth 🙄 Funny when he was in power he had the eu crying like a baby, meeting him to stop tariffs etc ... but look how the eu treats other countries. Quite disgusting, especially African. | |||
"It seems that trump wants to have a trade war with europe where he proposes to impose tariffs of 10 to 20 percent, is it just me or who else wonders why he would do it? It doesnt make sense, because eu is important to the us as it is their largest economic partner and the second largest trading partner, not just that, it also supports more than than 6 million jobs on both sides of the atlantic. What is your view about it , if he wins and would do it, what would happen to the relations between them, could it be healed? No daubt would eu also put a tariff back, because it goes both ways." It isn’t a trade war with Europe… It’s a blanket trade war with everyone! It’s not potentially just Europe that is being threatened by this policy He is calling it a “money raising” measure so he can give everyone a tax cut and force manufacturing to be brought back to the us. The Harris campaign are rightly saying all that will happen is that any increases will just be passed down to the consumer and raise prices… it would also cause inflation to increase | |||
" The EU took the same approach with China over EV's and China has retaliated. " Actually the EV thing is in a state of “sort of” if that makes sense… because there is a split in what countries want The proposal is that the EU put a specific 40% tariff on EV’s built in China France and Italy for example support the proposal because they are protecting their car manufacturers (Renault and Fiat) .. they are saying that Chinese EV competition is unfair because they can undercut cars made in EU by producing them much cheaper (Chinese workers pay and labour laws) However Germany and a lot of Eastern European countries are against the proposal… the Germans trying to protect their car manufacturers (Mercedes, Audi, BMW) because they have a huge Chinese export market… and countries like Hungary, Slovakia and the Czech Republic because Chinese manufacturers like BYD are investing in new car plants there specifically to cater to European market and this may threaten that ….. It’s being negotiated (within the EU and between the EU and china) and no tariffs have gone on anything at the moment (Kia and Hyundai cars for example are covered under the EU South Korean Free Trade Agreement for any cars built in South Korea) | |||
"It seems that trump wants to have a trade war with europe where he proposes to impose tariffs of 10 to 20 percent, is it just me or who else wonders why he would do it? It doesnt make sense, because eu is important to the us as it is their largest economic partner and the second largest trading partner, not just that, it also supports more than than 6 million jobs on both sides of the atlantic. What is your view about it , if he wins and would do it, what would happen to the relations between them, could it be healed? No daubt would eu also put a tariff back, because it goes both ways. It isn’t a trade war with Europe… It’s a blanket trade war with everyone! It’s not potentially just Europe that is being threatened by this policy He is calling it a “money raising” measure so he can give everyone a tax cut and force manufacturing to be brought back to the us. The Harris campaign are rightly saying all that will happen is that any increases will just be passed down to the consumer and raise prices… it would also cause inflation to increase " And yet Biden kept the tariffs in place with China... | |||
" The EU took the same approach with China over EV's and China has retaliated. Actually the EV thing is in a state of “sort of” if that makes sense… because there is a split in what countries want The proposal is that the EU put a specific 40% tariff on EV’s built in China France and Italy for example support the proposal because they are protecting their car manufacturers (Renault and Fiat) .. they are saying that Chinese EV competition is unfair because they can undercut cars made in EU by producing them much cheaper (Chinese workers pay and labour laws) However Germany and a lot of Eastern European countries are against the proposal… the Germans trying to protect their car manufacturers (Mercedes, Audi, BMW) because they have a huge Chinese export market… and countries like Hungary, Slovakia and the Czech Republic because Chinese manufacturers like BYD are investing in new car plants there specifically to cater to European market and this may threaten that ….. It’s being negotiated (within the EU and between the EU and china) and no tariffs have gone on anything at the moment (Kia and Hyundai cars for example are covered under the EU South Korean Free Trade Agreement for any cars built in South Korea)" Last I read about it on the bbc just the other day is that the tariffs have been agreed by a majority vote in the EU. I think the vote happened last Friday. As you say Germany were against the tariffs but were out voted with the likes of France in favour. The tariffs are to be different for each Chinese manufacturer depending, I think, on subsidy levels amongst other things. China has now announced heavy tariffs on brandy from the EU which ironically hits France the hardest and their people saying it will be a disaster for French brandy suppliers. Another reason I think this has all gone through is that the EU are now complaining to the world trade organization about the tariffs imposed on EU brandy, saying it is unfair and just retaliation. | |||
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"It seems that trump wants to have a trade war with europe where he proposes to impose tariffs of 10 to 20 percent, is it just me or who else wonders why he would do it? It doesnt make sense, because eu is important to the us as it is their largest economic partner and the second largest trading partner, not just that, it also supports more than than 6 million jobs on both sides of the atlantic. What is your view about it , if he wins and would do it, what would happen to the relations between them, could it be healed? No daubt would eu also put a tariff back, because it goes both ways. It isn’t a trade war with Europe… It’s a blanket trade war with everyone! It’s not potentially just Europe that is being threatened by this policy He is calling it a “money raising” measure so he can give everyone a tax cut and force manufacturing to be brought back to the us. The Harris campaign are rightly saying all that will happen is that any increases will just be passed down to the consumer and raise prices… it would also cause inflation to increase And yet Biden kept the tariffs in place with China..." Nice try… what is being proposed by trump is already on top of the ones Trump put in place last time round | |||
"It seems that trump wants to have a trade war with europe where he proposes to impose tariffs of 10 to 20 percent, is it just me or who else wonders why he would do it? It doesnt make sense, because eu is important to the us as it is their largest economic partner and the second largest trading partner, not just that, it also supports more than than 6 million jobs on both sides of the atlantic. What is your view about it , if he wins and would do it, what would happen to the relations between them, could it be healed? No daubt would eu also put a tariff back, because it goes both ways. It isn’t a trade war with Europe… It’s a blanket trade war with everyone! It’s not potentially just Europe that is being threatened by this policy He is calling it a “money raising” measure so he can give everyone a tax cut and force manufacturing to be brought back to the us. The Harris campaign are rightly saying all that will happen is that any increases will just be passed down to the consumer and raise prices… it would also cause inflation to increase And yet Biden kept the tariffs in place with China... Nice try… what is being proposed by trump is already on top of the ones Trump put in place last time round " And yet Biden (obama) kept the original ones, why was that? | |||
"It’s political gesturing. A continuation of his America First approach. Making moves to keep out or reduce foreign made/supplied goods in BC a bid to promote industries at home and win the support of voters. He just hasn’t thought too much about the negative impacts that this could bring to American companies operating abroad and the likely repercussions of ‘tit for tat’ responses from Europe. It is a no one wins type scenario for the reasons you mention. Is it just an American thing though. The EU took the same approach with China over EV's and China has retaliated. " It’s absolutely not just an American thing, you are correct. The EU are pretty big on protecting their own markets aswell, whether through tariffs or quotas. | |||
"It’s political gesturing. A continuation of his America First approach. Making moves to keep out or reduce foreign made/supplied goods in BC a bid to promote industries at home and win the support of voters. He just hasn’t thought too much about the negative impacts that this could bring to American companies operating abroad and the likely repercussions of ‘tit for tat’ responses from Europe. It is a no one wins type scenario for the reasons you mention. Is it just an American thing though. The EU took the same approach with China over EV's and China has retaliated. It’s absolutely not just an American thing, you are correct. The EU are pretty big on protecting their own markets aswell, whether through tariffs or quotas. " Everyone is allowed a bit of protectionism up to a point… remember when everyone wanted the UK to operate under “WTO rules” | |||
"It’s political gesturing. A continuation of his America First approach. Making moves to keep out or reduce foreign made/supplied goods in BC a bid to promote industries at home and win the support of voters. He just hasn’t thought too much about the negative impacts that this could bring to American companies operating abroad and the likely repercussions of ‘tit for tat’ responses from Europe. It is a no one wins type scenario for the reasons you mention. Is it just an American thing though. The EU took the same approach with China over EV's and China has retaliated. It’s absolutely not just an American thing, you are correct. The EU are pretty big on protecting their own markets aswell, whether through tariffs or quotas. " They are indeed though not as keen when others do it to them for some reason as we have seen just recently between the EU and China | |||
"What a lot of tosh. Trump will put the American people first. He will invest in industry, and he will take steps to stop the massive illegal immigration fiasco. He will put pressure on Putin to stop their invasion of Ukraine (yes he will stand up to him), and he will withdraw aid to Israel until they pull out of Gaza (I am aware he is a Zionist, but he doesn’t like wars). He will make America great again. With blessings from the Gods. "Lol are you one of his deluded and dumb flock pal? ...... The man's a cunt (nothing to do with red or blue politics) who will do absolutely nothing for the good of the country or the people in it. He is a populist jerk and even if he did get the vote in November the sane members of government, republicans included, will block his fascist attempts to cause mayhem. | |||
"I hope that Trump gets elected president again, and expect he will. A trade war with the EU is something the USA will win. It might just be the final nail in the EU coffin. 👍🏻" And this is based on what evidence or is it just more of your anti EU rhetoric | |||
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"He's a "business" Man, He has said before the US pay out/support a lot of countries around the world in one way or another, In his/some peoples opinions they give more then they take so he wants to balance it out a little, No different with any leader from any country trying to get the best deal, I'm no fan of his but it does make me laugh at how some people make out he's the next Hitler or dangerous for the world, Yes he comes across thick as pig shit at times but he has a different approach so I'd like to see him get another chance" Nice to see someone that thonks for himself. Paid enough attention to realize President Trumps successes, and just does'nt make childish orange man comments and parrots left wing media points. Thank you. | |||
"He's economically illiterate/innumerate. It would be bad for the majority of US consumers, with prices increasing and thus inflation, to impose steep tariffs on imported goods. His frothing at the mouth MAGA lot aren't very bright about the consequences for democracy or the economy, if he gets power. Sure, it's great to encourage more local industry and employment but the sheer volume of businesses overseas who hold expertise, as well as the goods that people want, can't just be replaced by the flick of a switch/his signature. He doesn't seem to do much joined up thinking, where he details the full impact and consequences of his harebrained plans. He's only interested in his own power and wealth. Others are as nothing to him. " Lol And you think that with kamalas praise of bidenomics at a realistic 30% inflation rate versus around 20% which some people claim would be a better choice than President Trumps 8%. My there are a lot of hateful people on here that seem to be followers of the hate Trump cult. Think for yourselfs. Two choices in this campaign cycle one that has had negative effects around the world or the orange man that left the world in a lot better place than it is currently in. https://www.heritage.org/debt/commentary/trumps-record-far-superior-bidens-debt-and-inflation | |||
"He's economically illiterate/innumerate. It would be bad for the majority of US consumers, with prices increasing and thus inflation, to impose steep tariffs on imported goods. His frothing at the mouth MAGA lot aren't very bright about the consequences for democracy or the economy, if he gets power. Sure, it's great to encourage more local industry and employment but the sheer volume of businesses overseas who hold expertise, as well as the goods that people want, can't just be replaced by the flick of a switch/his signature. He doesn't seem to do much joined up thinking, where he details the full impact and consequences of his harebrained plans. He's only interested in his own power and wealth. Others are as nothing to him. Lol And you think that with kamalas praise of bidenomics at a realistic 30% inflation rate versus around 20% which some people claim would be a better choice than President Trumps 8%. My there are a lot of hateful people on here that seem to be followers of the hate Trump cult. Think for yourselfs. Two choices in this campaign cycle one that has had negative effects around the world or the orange man that left the world in a lot better place than it is currently in. https://www.heritage.org/debt/commentary/trumps-record-far-superior-bidens-debt-and-inflation" You want to use the heritage foundation commentary… So let me introduce some “facts” for you … US inflation currently runs at 2.4%… it spiked after a little things called “the COVID shutdown “ You know where inflation went up here.. and has now started coming back down… some thing happened all across the world… well , with the exception of a Liz truss to compound things So yes… inflation got as high as 8%… but actually they were more In line with the eurozone and most of the G7 And as for debt, the trump tax cut, you know, the one where 95 % of all the money gains went to the top 1% of earners ( his rich friends) well…. It’s the single biggest act of debt in us history…. It increased the US debt from 4 trillion dollars to 7 trillion dollars The funny thing is…. Republicans claim to be really fiscally responsible, but since president ford … every single republican president has actually raised the national debt (Reagan, bush 1, bush 2 and trump) whereas every single democratic president has either maintained debt at the same level .. Biden… or lowered it, Obama and carter… or even run a fiscal surplus, Clinton | |||
"He's economically illiterate/innumerate. It would be bad for the majority of US consumers, with prices increasing and thus inflation, to impose steep tariffs on imported goods. His frothing at the mouth MAGA lot aren't very bright about the consequences for democracy or the economy, if he gets power. Sure, it's great to encourage more local industry and employment but the sheer volume of businesses overseas who hold expertise, as well as the goods that people want, can't just be replaced by the flick of a switch/his signature. He doesn't seem to do much joined up thinking, where he details the full impact and consequences of his harebrained plans. He's only interested in his own power and wealth. Others are as nothing to him. Lol And you think that with kamalas praise of bidenomics at a realistic 30% inflation rate versus around 20% which some people claim would be a better choice than President Trumps 8%. My there are a lot of hateful people on here that seem to be followers of the hate Trump cult. Think for yourselfs. Two choices in this campaign cycle one that has had negative effects around the world or the orange man that left the world in a lot better place than it is currently in. https://www.heritage.org/debt/commentary/trumps-record-far-superior-bidens-debt-and-inflation" Name one success that trump’s presidency single handedly delivered that was not pivoting on his dysfunctional beliefs or his self-centred protectionism? | |||
"He's economically illiterate/innumerate. It would be bad for the majority of US consumers, with prices increasing and thus inflation, to impose steep tariffs on imported goods. His frothing at the mouth MAGA lot aren't very bright about the consequences for democracy or the economy, if he gets power. Sure, it's great to encourage more local industry and employment but the sheer volume of businesses overseas who hold expertise, as well as the goods that people want, can't just be replaced by the flick of a switch/his signature. He doesn't seem to do much joined up thinking, where he details the full impact and consequences of his harebrained plans. He's only interested in his own power and wealth. Others are as nothing to him. Lol And you think that with kamalas praise of bidenomics at a realistic 30% inflation rate versus around 20% which some people claim would be a better choice than President Trumps 8%. My there are a lot of hateful people on here that seem to be followers of the hate Trump cult. Think for yourselfs. Two choices in this campaign cycle one that has had negative effects around the world or the orange man that left the world in a lot better place than it is currently in. https://www.heritage.org/debt/commentary/trumps-record-far-superior-bidens-debt-and-inflation Name one success that trump’s presidency single handedly delivered that was not pivoting on his dysfunctional beliefs or his self-centred protectionism?" He promised to spunk away billions of dollars of public money on a pointless wall: delivered. He promised to stoke racial tensions: delivered. | |||
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"He's economically illiterate/innumerate. It would be bad for the majority of US consumers, with prices increasing and thus inflation, to impose steep tariffs on imported goods. His frothing at the mouth MAGA lot aren't very bright about the consequences for democracy or the economy, if he gets power. Sure, it's great to encourage more local industry and employment but the sheer volume of businesses overseas who hold expertise, as well as the goods that people want, can't just be replaced by the flick of a switch/his signature. He doesn't seem to do much joined up thinking, where he details the full impact and consequences of his harebrained plans. He's only interested in his own power and wealth. Others are as nothing to him. Lol And you think that with kamalas praise of bidenomics at a realistic 30% inflation rate versus around 20% which some people claim would be a better choice than President Trumps 8%. My there are a lot of hateful people on here that seem to be followers of the hate Trump cult. Think for yourselfs. Two choices in this campaign cycle one that has had negative effects around the world or the orange man that left the world in a lot better place than it is currently in. https://www.heritage.org/debt/commentary/trumps-record-far-superior-bidens-debt-and-inflation Name one success that trump’s presidency single handedly delivered that was not pivoting on his dysfunctional beliefs or his self-centred protectionism?" Under Trump the US had strong economic growth before COVID hit. Unemployment dropped to a 50-year low. He kicked started more funding into NATO, by calling out other countries to pay their fair share, and it worked, more countries began paying the correct or a higher %. I think these are successes | |||
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"He's economically illiterate/innumerate. It would be bad for the majority of US consumers, with prices increasing and thus inflation, to impose steep tariffs on imported goods. His frothing at the mouth MAGA lot aren't very bright about the consequences for democracy or the economy, if he gets power. Sure, it's great to encourage more local industry and employment but the sheer volume of businesses overseas who hold expertise, as well as the goods that people want, can't just be replaced by the flick of a switch/his signature. He doesn't seem to do much joined up thinking, where he details the full impact and consequences of his harebrained plans. He's only interested in his own power and wealth. Others are as nothing to him. Lol And you think that with kamalas praise of bidenomics at a realistic 30% inflation rate versus around 20% which some people claim would be a better choice than President Trumps 8%. My there are a lot of hateful people on here that seem to be followers of the hate Trump cult. Think for yourselfs. Two choices in this campaign cycle one that has had negative effects around the world or the orange man that left the world in a lot better place than it is currently in. https://www.heritage.org/debt/commentary/trumps-record-far-superior-bidens-debt-and-inflation Name one success that trump’s presidency single handedly delivered that was not pivoting on his dysfunctional beliefs or his self-centred protectionism? Under Trump the US had strong economic growth before COVID hit. Unemployment dropped to a 50-year low. He kicked started more funding into NATO, by calling out other countries to pay their fair share, and it worked, more countries began paying the correct or a higher %. I think these are successes " You just proved my point .... US economic growth was already rebounding way before COVID and dick-for-brains coming to office, he actually did very little other than to ride the waves and claim it. As for NATO funding commitment, your point isn't in dispute other than it affected all countries outside the US, lol | |||
"Mikesm23, look at the links in above post. Think for yourself, get away from your fear of the big orange man. Remember two candidates in this election. One that has been in office for the last almost 4 years that has left the world in shambles with the world on the brink if some serious skirmishes or possible WW3. An administration that is bankrupting the US and has corrupted its justice system, and media. Or one that left his office with the world in a better place, read the above post by me. Grow some, think for yourself, if you cannot get over your fear of the Orange man, please elaborate to us all how the world will be better off with kamala, considering the policies she has been part of fot the last almost 4 years?" It's ok darling I don't need to grow anything bigger, thanks. And as for your points a) if the links your referencing are the sources of your evidence then it's pointless debating anything. And as for your point about global peace please raise your game above a 4 year spell of politics irrespective if it was led by a blue or red representative. | |||
"He's economically illiterate/innumerate. It would be bad for the majority of US consumers, with prices increasing and thus inflation, to impose steep tariffs on imported goods. His frothing at the mouth MAGA lot aren't very bright about the consequences for democracy or the economy, if he gets power. Sure, it's great to encourage more local industry and employment but the sheer volume of businesses overseas who hold expertise, as well as the goods that people want, can't just be replaced by the flick of a switch/his signature. He doesn't seem to do much joined up thinking, where he details the full impact and consequences of his harebrained plans. He's only interested in his own power and wealth. Others are as nothing to him. Lol And you think that with kamalas praise of bidenomics at a realistic 30% inflation rate versus around 20% which some people claim would be a better choice than President Trumps 8%. My there are a lot of hateful people on here that seem to be followers of the hate Trump cult. Think for yourselfs. Two choices in this campaign cycle one that has had negative effects around the world or the orange man that left the world in a lot better place than it is currently in. https://www.heritage.org/debt/commentary/trumps-record-far-superior-bidens-debt-and-inflation Name one success that trump’s presidency single handedly delivered that was not pivoting on his dysfunctional beliefs or his self-centred protectionism? Under Trump the US had strong economic growth before COVID hit. Unemployment dropped to a 50-year low. He kicked started more funding into NATO, by calling out other countries to pay their fair share, and it worked, more countries began paying the correct or a higher %. I think these are successes You just proved my point .... US economic growth was already rebounding way before COVID and dick-for-brains coming to office, he actually did very little other than to ride the waves and claim it. As for NATO funding commitment, your point isn't in dispute other than it affected all countries outside the US, lol" I'm not trying to score points, just keeping things real.. So I see your point, but Trump’s tax cuts and deregulation helped sustain the economic growth that was already happening. He didn’t create the recovery, but he extended it. On the subject of NATO, he pressured others to spend more, he pushed for real financial commitments that strengthened Nato. It wasn’t just lip service. | |||
"He's economically illiterate/innumerate. It would be bad for the majority of US consumers, with prices increasing and thus inflation, to impose steep tariffs on imported goods. His frothing at the mouth MAGA lot aren't very bright about the consequences for democracy or the economy, if he gets power. Sure, it's great to encourage more local industry and employment but the sheer volume of businesses overseas who hold expertise, as well as the goods that people want, can't just be replaced by the flick of a switch/his signature. He doesn't seem to do much joined up thinking, where he details the full impact and consequences of his harebrained plans. He's only interested in his own power and wealth. Others are as nothing to him. Lol And you think that with kamalas praise of bidenomics at a realistic 30% inflation rate versus around 20% which some people claim would be a better choice than President Trumps 8%. My there are a lot of hateful people on here that seem to be followers of the hate Trump cult. Think for yourselfs. Two choices in this campaign cycle one that has had negative effects around the world or the orange man that left the world in a lot better place than it is currently in. https://www.heritage.org/debt/commentary/trumps-record-far-superior-bidens-debt-and-inflation Name one success that trump’s presidency single handedly delivered that was not pivoting on his dysfunctional beliefs or his self-centred protectionism? Under Trump the US had strong economic growth before COVID hit. Unemployment dropped to a 50-year low. He kicked started more funding into NATO, by calling out other countries to pay their fair share, and it worked, more countries began paying the correct or a higher %. I think these are successes You just proved my point .... US economic growth was already rebounding way before COVID and dick-for-brains coming to office, he actually did very little other than to ride the waves and claim it. As for NATO funding commitment, your point isn't in dispute other than it affected all countries outside the US, lol I'm not trying to score points, just keeping things real.. So I see your point, but Trump’s tax cuts and deregulation helped sustain the economic growth that was already happening. He didn’t create the recovery, but he extended it. On the subject of NATO, he pressured others to spend more, he pushed for real financial commitments that strengthened Nato. It wasn’t just lip service. " Ok I accept this isn't a points scoring exercise however, when it comes to reality ... republican tax cutting was only ever going to favour the wealthy and so it still proves. Tbh the US economic growth has actually come from a number sources one of which has been a year-on-year massive increase in US jobs in the defense industry. And as for NATO funding increases by other member countries, please remember this was only a result of trumps singularly dysfunctional desire to exit NATO and to build a fucking big wall around the US. Strong leadership and savvy politics?.... not a chance. | |||
"He's economically illiterate/innumerate. It would be bad for the majority of US consumers, with prices increasing and thus inflation, to impose steep tariffs on imported goods. His frothing at the mouth MAGA lot aren't very bright about the consequences for democracy or the economy, if he gets power. Sure, it's great to encourage more local industry and employment but the sheer volume of businesses overseas who hold expertise, as well as the goods that people want, can't just be replaced by the flick of a switch/his signature. He doesn't seem to do much joined up thinking, where he details the full impact and consequences of his harebrained plans. He's only interested in his own power and wealth. Others are as nothing to him. Lol And you think that with kamalas praise of bidenomics at a realistic 30% inflation rate versus around 20% which some people claim would be a better choice than President Trumps 8%. My there are a lot of hateful people on here that seem to be followers of the hate Trump cult. Think for yourselfs. Two choices in this campaign cycle one that has had negative effects around the world or the orange man that left the world in a lot better place than it is currently in. https://www.heritage.org/debt/commentary/trumps-record-far-superior-bidens-debt-and-inflation Name one success that trump’s presidency single handedly delivered that was not pivoting on his dysfunctional beliefs or his self-centred protectionism? Under Trump the US had strong economic growth before COVID hit. Unemployment dropped to a 50-year low. He kicked started more funding into NATO, by calling out other countries to pay their fair share, and it worked, more countries began paying the correct or a higher %. I think these are successes You just proved my point .... US economic growth was already rebounding way before COVID and dick-for-brains coming to office, he actually did very little other than to ride the waves and claim it. As for NATO funding commitment, your point isn't in dispute other than it affected all countries outside the US, lol I'm not trying to score points, just keeping things real.. So I see your point, but Trump’s tax cuts and deregulation helped sustain the economic growth that was already happening. He didn’t create the recovery, but he extended it. On the subject of NATO, he pressured others to spend more, he pushed for real financial commitments that strengthened Nato. It wasn’t just lip service. Ok I accept this isn't a points scoring exercise however, when it comes to reality ... republican tax cutting was only ever going to favour the wealthy and so it still proves. Tbh the US economic growth has actually come from a number sources one of which has been a year-on-year massive increase in US jobs in the defense industry. And as for NATO funding increases by other member countries, please remember this was only a result of trumps singularly dysfunctional desire to exit NATO and to build a fucking big wall around the US. Strong leadership and savvy politics?.... not a chance." I can see where you’re coming from, and your summary is valid from your perspective. But the reality is, people are always going to be divided, some see Trump’s tax cuts as boosting business investment, others feel it only benefitted the wealthy. As for NATO, yes, his approach was not conventional, but he still forced members to step up their contributions. At the end of the day, there will always be Trump advocates and Trump critics, so it’s all about the lens you’re looking through. | |||
"Johny two notes, yes he built an effective wall that curbed immigration in the areas where the wall was erected. He put policies in place that curbed the immigration to lower levels than what obama had during his terms. The vegetable came in first day and rescinded those policies, made kamala the border czar, and here we are today. Fema unable to support relief programs for Asheville NC and efforts on the West Coast of Florida after two devasting back to back hurricanes. There is no one like the race baiting lefty's of the US to use people of color as their puppets and to make them a talking point, and suppressed. Curious, mr 2 notes, what facts and examples do you have that President Trump was a racist, or do you just recycle, repeat ypur cult leaders the orange man talking points? Here is my link for you to educate yourself with regarding your false claim. By the way, joey rescinded the automatic funding each year of HBCU. Remember the US has two choices this election term that will affect the whole wirld. The failed policies and leadership of the last 4 years, or a President that had no new wars during his term, reduced illegal imigration, and other successes as documented in this link. https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/trump-administration-accomplishments/ " Spouting the party line again…. Couple of problems here… 1) questions… how much “new wall” was built under trump? Answer.. of the 1600 miles of border between the United States and Mexico… roughly 25 miles 2) the FEMA stuff… untrue and debunked, fema spending is dealt with by the House of Representatives… another 25 billion of hurricane relief spending was passed a month ago before helene and Milton .. even though 100 republican members voted against There have been calls for the republican leadership to recall the house so that more money can be allocated for disaster relief and recovery, they have refused so far… All of the governors of the affected states, the republican governors of Florida, Georgia, South Carolina and the democratic governor of North Carolina have all stated that they have gotten everything they have asked for so far | |||
"Was wondering where you were _abio, 8% inflation rate. LOL LMFAO, The report previously cited it at 20%, realistically would say 30%. " Oh have we been here before… you hiding under yet another name to circumvent the rules.. oh well! I am sure everyone in the UK as well as the US has felt the pain more than LOL 8%. Yep… the US reached an inflation high of 8% after COVID… just as the UK reached an inflation high of 11% " Curent inflation rates are being manipulated to not take into account things like shrinkflation and has taken certain items out of the equation that would more accurately reflect current inflation rate. https://waysandmeans.house.gov/2022/03/30/fact-check-biden-budget-director-is-wrong-american-inflation-isnt-just-part-of-a-global-trend/ President Trumps tax cut. https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/584190-irs-data-prove-trump-tax-cuts-benefited-middle-working-class-americans-most/ Deficit, your statements are not even worth addressing, billys balanced budget was brought about with the Republican Contract with America. https://www.cato.org/commentary/no-bill-clinton-didnt-balance-budget " Not true… in fact the way he got his “balanced budget “ was to increase the debt deficit ceiling…. Through the then Republican led House of Representatives.. the trump tax cut did add around 3 trillion dollars to the US debt And you are right… Clinton at the end of his term didnt leave the next person, bush2 , with a balanced budget… he left him with an overall debt surplus " Get over it, leave your cult, the Orange man is not a threat, the current administration and kamala are the true world threat. Two choices in this election cycle, go with the mess that has been created by kamala and joey or go with the better world we had with President Trump? " | |||
"Johny two notes, yes he built an effective wall that curbed immigration in the areas where the wall was erected. He put policies in place that curbed the immigration to lower levels than what obama had during his terms. The vegetable came in first day and rescinded those policies, made kamala the border czar, and here we are today. Fema unable to support relief programs for Asheville NC and efforts on the West Coast of Florida after two devasting back to back hurricanes. There is no one like the race baiting lefty's of the US to use people of color as their puppets and to make them a talking point, and suppressed. Curious, mr 2 notes, what facts and examples do you have that President Trump was a racist, or do you just recycle, repeat ypur cult leaders the orange man talking points? Here is my link for you to educate yourself with regarding your false claim. By the way, joey rescinded the automatic funding each year of HBCU. Remember the US has two choices this election term that will affect the whole wirld. The failed policies and leadership of the last 4 years, or a President that had no new wars during his term, reduced illegal imigration, and other successes as documented in this link. https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/trump-administration-accomplishments/ " Before I take a moment to debunk this rhubarb, are you serious, or was this intended to take the piss out of people who think Trump was a good president? | |||
" Name one success that trump’s presidency single handedly delivered that was not pivoting on his dysfunctional beliefs or his self-centred protectionism? Under Trump the US had strong economic growth before COVID hit. Unemployment dropped to a 50-year low. He kicked started more funding into NATO, by calling out other countries to pay their fair share, and it worked, more countries began paying the correct or a higher %. I think these are successes " The economy one is a sort of.. The economy was strong before COVID, I’ll give you that… but the economy before trump took over had been growing month by month for 80 straight months before he got there So you could argue all trump did was to not mess up the Obama recovery! As it was in decline in the last few months of bush 2 Also, if we are being generous and taking out the COVID years (the last year of trump and the first year of Biden) there have been more jobs created in the last 3 years of Biden than there were in the 3 years under Trump….. in fact .. there were more jobs created under the last 3 years under Obama than there were under the first 3 years of Trump… | |||
"It seems that trump wants to have a trade war with europe where he proposes to impose tariffs of 10 to 20 percent, is it just me or who else wonders why he would do it? It doesnt make sense, because eu is important to the us as it is their largest economic partner and the second largest trading partner, not just that, it also supports more than than 6 million jobs on both sides of the atlantic. What is your view about it , if he wins and would do it, what would happen to the relations between them, could it be healed? No daubt would eu also put a tariff back, because it goes both ways." Putin told him to do it. | |||
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"Mikey, So what I am citing is self evident, quite a few of that information has come from internal sources within the US government. Correct no need for debate. President Trump left office with a world that was functioning with reduced aggression a new agreement in the middle east. Not the level of unrest we are seeing in the south pacific from china, nor the level of encroachment of chineese and Russian activity in Cuba, and other Islands within the Carribeann. We have had spy ballons floating across the US, straffing runs across US warships. There is strife from the attack on Israel, that has been uniting Arab countries such as Iran, the Palestians and other factions. This has been brought about by the weak leadership in DC from joey and kamala. Mikey grow a set of nads and leave the cults, Orange man will do alright. Remember there are two choices here the failed current regime puppets or the Orange man who did pretty hood considrring the leftys man fauci brought his gain of function covid to disrupt the re-election process and during the presidency, continuously being attacked and distracted by the left. Here is link, almost 2,000 miles of border wall. Dont forget joey and kamala stopped and defunded a lot ofvthe ongoing construction. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico%E2%80%93United_States_border_wall#Geography Mikey tganks for the term if endearment, coming over for Chtistmas, can gift wrap a Trump ball cap for you?" Who was this in reply to? "Dont forget joey and kamala stopped and defunded a lot ofvthe ongoing construction" So this is a bad thing that they stopped wasting money on a pointless wall that didn't do anything? Not sure how Trump is getting credited for no balloons flying over the US for all of the previous however many years. But I like it. Fair play to you. Still not sure if you're serious or taking the piss out of the stereotype of a trump supporter. | |||
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"Mikey, So what I am citing is self evident, quite a few of that information has come from internal sources within the US government. Correct no need for debate. President Trump left office with a world that was functioning with reduced aggression a new agreement in the middle east. Not the level of unrest we are seeing in the south pacific from china, nor the level of encroachment of chineese and Russian activity in Cuba, and other Islands within the Carribeann. We have had spy ballons floating across the US, straffing runs across US warships. There is strife from the attack on Israel, that has been uniting Arab countries such as Iran, the Palestians and other factions. This has been brought about by the weak leadership in DC from joey and kamala. Mikey grow a set of nads and leave the cults, Orange man will do alright. Remember there are two choices here the failed current regime puppets or the Orange man who did pretty hood considrring the leftys man fauci brought his gain of function covid to disrupt the re-election process and during the presidency, continuously being attacked and distracted by the left. Here is link, almost 2,000 miles of border wall. Dont forget joey and kamala stopped and defunded a lot ofvthe ongoing construction. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico%E2%80%93United_States_border_wall#Geography Mikey tganks for the term if endearment, coming over for Chtistmas, can gift wrap a Trump ball cap for you?" It’s ok sweetheart no need to worry about the size of others balls never mind their political persuasion (which if had any observational skills you would note it is entirely neutral), so strongly suggest you get wrapped up in your tin foil and head back to mamma’s apron. The fact remains the dumb narcissistic self-serving cunt has and will continue (if the aberration ever happens) to exploit the uneducated mass in the US for his personal gain and leave the country divided, destitute and dysfunctional by factors incalculable to comprehend. | |||
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"Oh little mikey, got you proper wound up. LMAO, it will be ok, you will survive another President Trump term. Not everyone has as much hate for Orange man. Remember he is the better of the two, thankfully you dont get to vote over here so you might be better off trying to explain to everyone the good reason you voted for starmer" Sweetheart lol you still haven’t got the basics re my politics nor my points about electing a selfish psychopath into presidency…. but hey I guess you are at least demonstrating the behaviours of those who can argue for mindless power when all around are shaking their heads in disbelief. Enjoy the ride darling. | |||
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"do we really care ... does america have anything that european countries want?... No! ..... if grump and his lickspittles wants to take his ball home then so what? nobody would notice them not being around lol "Big sales of German vehicles with a big market with lots if money that is a good start for Europe. For the UK lots of money for JLG that sell quite well over here as well as giving jobs to the factory in the UK. Yes both the UK and the US would feel pain if there was a break up in trade. Remember the Orange man or I guess Grump as you like to call him when in office was working with the UK to build a string trade partnership with goal of making the UK a strong independent country from the EU. You better hope that us lickspittles, whatever that means vote him in as joey, obama, and kamala have shown no respect or help to the UK and will continue to undermine the UK | |||
"do we really care ... does america have anything that european countries want?... No! ..... if grump and his lickspittles wants to take his ball home then so what? nobody would notice them not being around lol
Big sales of German vehicles with a big market with lots if money that is a good start for Europe. For the UK lots of money for JLG that sell quite well over here as well as giving jobs to the factory in the UK. Yes both the UK and the US would feel pain if there was a break up in trade.
Remember the Orange man or I guess Grump as you like to call him when in office was working with the UK to build a string trade partnership with goal of making the UK a strong independent country from the EU. You better hope that us lickspittles, whatever that means vote him in as joey, obama, and kamala have shown no respect or help to the UK and will continue to undermine the UK"nobody really cares about you guy | |||
"do we really care ... does america have anything that european countries want?... No! ..... if grump and his lickspittles wants to take his ball home then so what? nobody would notice them not being around lol
Big sales of German vehicles with a big market with lots if money that is a good start for Europe. For the UK lots of money for JLG that sell quite well over here as well as giving jobs to the factory in the UK. Yes both the UK and the US would feel pain if there was a break up in trade.
Remember the Orange man or I guess Grump as you like to call him when in office was working with the UK to build a string trade partnership with goal of making the UK a strong independent country from the EU. You better hope that us lickspittles, whatever that means vote him in as joey, obama, and kamala have shown no respect or help to the UK and will continue to undermine the UK"The UK does more trade than any other country and by some margin. Never seen what European countries do trade wise with America but would not be surprised if it was also a significant amount. The German cars you mention are a good example | |||
"do we really care ... does america have anything that european countries want?... No! ..... if grump and his lickspittles wants to take his ball home then so what? nobody would notice them not being around lol
Big sales of German vehicles with a big market with lots if money that is a good start for Europe. For the UK lots of money for JLG that sell quite well over here as well as giving jobs to the factory in the UK. Yes both the UK and the US would feel pain if there was a break up in trade.
Remember the Orange man or I guess Grump as you like to call him when in office was working with the UK to build a string trade partnership with goal of making the UK a strong independent country from the EU. You better hope that us lickspittles, whatever that means vote him in as joey, obama, and kamala have shown no respect or help to the UK and will continue to undermine the UK
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" Big sales of German vehicles with a big market with lots if money that is a good start for Europe. " Again… not so true…. For example, yes the really high end German cars are made in Europe, but if you are going to buy one of those, you probably aren’t worried about the tariffs being passed on anyway The lower end German cars… for the American market those are built in Mexico and for example at their South Carolina factory… so those are not liable for tariffs anyway! | |||
" Big sales of German vehicles with a big market with lots if money that is a good start for Europe. Again… not so true…. For example, yes the really high end German cars are made in Europe, but if you are going to buy one of those, you probably aren’t worried about the tariffs being passed on anyway The lower end German cars… for the American market those are built in Mexico and for example at their South Carolina factory… so those are not liable for tariffs anyway! " Fabian, good to hear from you, BMW, Audi, Mercedes, Porsche, VW, Alfa Romeo, Ferrari, Maserati, Lamboghini, Aston Martin, Rolls Royce, Mc Laeen Volvo, and others are vehicles that are manufactured, and marketed, and sold in the US, granted some of these brands do have manufacturing plants in other countries that supply US and on ther hand as in BMW case have US made cars going over to Germany. Point is, the US and Europe to include the UK strongly rely on each others markets for the flow of money. Believe I got off track on this thread a bit. I Answered someones claim that the orange man and the US could get stuffed because Europe did not need the US market. My point to him was we do need each other and offered up as an example the strong import to the US of European to include cars from the UK as a large economic stream of funds leaving the States to Europe and Uk. Fabian I believe we are on the same page and that bottom line regardless of point of manufacture of vehicle the revenue will come back to the respective country for that manufacturer. | |||
" Fabian I believe we are on the same page and that bottom line regardless of point of manufacture of vehicle the revenue will come back to the respective country for that manufacturer. " …. Only if you believe that the manufacturer will swallow all of any tariff increase (spoiler they won’t) They will just add any extra cost.. or in this case.. the tariffs… down to the consumer so in effect it becomes an added sales tax! For something to be called “American made” 51% of it’s entire entity has to be made/carry/ built in America Even the most “American made” car for example carries somewhere between 60-70% American components…. So where is the other 30-40% of bits coming from? And if you are still sticking a tariff on those parts… the price to produce that car is still going up .. and that’s is going to be passed on the consumer | |||
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"It seems that trump wants to have a trade war with europe where he proposes to impose tariffs of 10 to 20 percent, is it just me or who else wonders why he would do it? It doesnt make sense, because eu is important to the us as it is their largest economic partner and the second largest trading partner, not just that, it also supports more than than 6 million jobs on both sides of the atlantic. What is your view about it , if he wins and would do it, what would happen to the relations between them, could it be healed? No daubt would eu also put a tariff back, because it goes both ways." He creates a trade war with Europe. He imposes tariffs so that the American public has to pay more for foreign EU products. The extra tax is collected and used to fund corporate tax cuts for the very rich whilst the Trump followers believe the EU is responsible for the additional cost. Win - Win for Trump and Musk. Simples people. | |||
"He's economically illiterate/innumerate. It would be bad for the majority of US consumers, with prices increasing and thus inflation, to impose steep tariffs on imported goods. His frothing at the mouth MAGA lot aren't very bright about the consequences for democracy or the economy, if he gets power. Sure, it's great to encourage more local industry and employment but the sheer volume of businesses overseas who hold expertise, as well as the goods that people want, can't just be replaced by the flick of a switch/his signature. He doesn't seem to do much joined up thinking, where he details the full impact and consequences of his harebrained plans. He's only interested in his own power and wealth. Others are as nothing to him. Lol And you think that with kamalas praise of bidenomics at a realistic 30% inflation rate versus around 20% which some people claim would be a better choice than President Trumps 8%. My there are a lot of hateful people on here that seem to be followers of the hate Trump cult. Think for yourselfs. Two choices in this campaign cycle one that has had negative effects around the world or the orange man that left the world in a lot better place than it is currently in. https://www.heritage.org/debt/commentary/trumps-record-far-superior-bidens-debt-and-inflation Name one success that trump’s presidency single handedly delivered that was not pivoting on his dysfunctional beliefs or his self-centred protectionism? Under Trump the US had strong economic growth before COVID hit. Unemployment dropped to a 50-year low. He kicked started more funding into NATO, by calling out other countries to pay their fair share, and it worked, more countries began paying the correct or a higher %. I think these are successes " I agree with your comment on NATO and think that was definitely needed. The early good figures were a hangover from Obama. Taking the covid figures out completely Biden created three times as many jobs as trump according to Forbes. Of those jobs 25% were government of which half were replacing civil servants who had left during covid. Of the other private sector jobs around 60-65% went to citizens born in the US and the rest to citizens not born in the US.. so less than a quarter went to the “immigrants stealing our jobs”. Remember the likes of Springfield had policies to recruit large numbers of immigrant labour they were so desperate for workers. Trump used this as an attack they are stealing our jobs. | |||
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