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"So… which will you be voting for? " Not a member but if I were, Badenoch. | |||
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"Cleverly was the centrist last best hope… this Tory party is lurching right… and probably gave starmer another election victory in 5 years time " Agreed | |||
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"Cleverly was the centrist last best hope… this Tory party is lurching right… and probably gave starmer another election victory in 5 years time " Nope Starma will be lucky if he's still PM by Easter. Also labour or conservatives won't be in power come the next election. | |||
"Cleverly was the centrist last best hope… this Tory party is lurching right… and probably gave starmer another election victory in 5 years time " mabey another labour victory a starmer victory no,his own party will turf him out long before the next election | |||
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"Cleverly was the centrist last best hope… this Tory party is lurching right… and probably gave starmer another election victory in 5 years time Agreed" There aren’t any right wing candidates. The two left in are slightly right of centre. One of the reasons the Conservatives lost the election is that they talked right but acted left. Their core voters either didn’t vote or voted Reform. | |||
"Cleverly was the centrist last best hope… this Tory party is lurching right… and probably gave starmer another election victory in 5 years time Agreed There aren’t any right wing candidates. The two left in are slightly right of centre. One of the reasons the Conservatives lost the election is that they talked right but acted left. Their core voters either didn’t vote or voted Reform." Agree | |||
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"Cleverly was the centrist last best hope… this Tory party is lurching right… and probably gave starmer another election victory in 5 years time " This was always going to play out towards the right, and it will pull in the reform voters quickly. I expect the new leader of the conservative party to be replaced within 2 - 3 years to allow a swing towards centre. | |||
"Cleverly was the centrist last best hope… this Tory party is lurching right… and probably gave starmer another election victory in 5 years time This was always going to play out towards the right, and it will pull in the reform voters quickly. I expect the new leader of the conservative party to be replaced within 2 - 3 years to allow a swing towards centre." And then the ex reform voters leave them again. | |||
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"Neither of them are inspiring but I think they will just be an interim leader and the Tories will be in opposition for quite a while. Trouble is the country needs a half decent opposition and I don't see anyone obvious on the horizon" Exactly this | |||
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"Cleverly was the centrist last best hope… this Tory party is lurching right… and probably gave starmer another election victory in 5 years time Agreed There aren’t any right wing candidates. The two left in are slightly right of centre. One of the reasons the Conservatives lost the election is that they talked right but acted left. Their core voters either didn’t vote or voted Reform." They are right for most of the population. But probably left from where you stand. | |||
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"Cleverly was the centrist last best hope… this Tory party is lurching right… and probably gave starmer another election victory in 5 years time Agreed There aren’t any right wing candidates. The two left in are slightly right of centre. One of the reasons the Conservatives lost the election is that they talked right but acted left. Their core voters either didn’t vote or voted Reform. They are right for most of the population. But probably left from where you stand." I was trying not to spit out my water… but I think it’s kemi’s dream to be called “slightly right of centre “  | |||
"Anyone that's actually a Tory. The ones mentioned are lib dems/libour. There are no real Tories left. Haven't been for years." I’m shocked you think that, shocked I tell thee. | |||
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"Cleverly was the centrist last best hope… this Tory party is lurching right… and probably gave starmer another election victory in 5 years time This was always going to play out towards the right, and it will pull in the reform voters quickly. I expect the new leader of the conservative party to be replaced within 2 - 3 years to allow a swing towards centre. And then the ex reform voters leave them again." I don’t think that will happen. What I anticipate is, Labour will drop Starmer when the tories make gains in popularity and bring in the left wing who have been impatiently standing in the wings. The labour party will veer left as conservatives go centre, the end of labour. | |||
"Cleverly was the centrist last best hope… this Tory party is lurching right… and probably gave starmer another election victory in 5 years time This was always going to play out towards the right, and it will pull in the reform voters quickly. I expect the new leader of the conservative party to be replaced within 2 - 3 years to allow a swing towards centre. And then the ex reform voters leave them again. I don’t think that will happen. What I anticipate is, Labour will drop Starmer when the tories make gains in popularity and bring in the left wing who have been impatiently standing in the wings. The labour party will veer left as conservatives go centre, the end of labour." The Lib Dems are sitting in the corner with no friends waving “hello!” | |||
"Cleverly was the centrist last best hope… this Tory party is lurching right… and probably gave starmer another election victory in 5 years time This was always going to play out towards the right, and it will pull in the reform voters quickly. I expect the new leader of the conservative party to be replaced within 2 - 3 years to allow a swing towards centre. And then the ex reform voters leave them again. I don’t think that will happen. What I anticipate is, Labour will drop Starmer when the tories make gains in popularity and bring in the left wing who have been impatiently standing in the wings. The labour party will veer left as conservatives go centre, the end of labour." Labour’s only ever gone to the left after defeat so I’m afraid your wet dream has no historical precedent. | |||
"Cleverly was the centrist last best hope… this Tory party is lurching right… and probably gave starmer another election victory in 5 years time This was always going to play out towards the right, and it will pull in the reform voters quickly. I expect the new leader of the conservative party to be replaced within 2 - 3 years to allow a swing towards centre. And then the ex reform voters leave them again. I don’t think that will happen. What I anticipate is, Labour will drop Starmer when the tories make gains in popularity and bring in the left wing who have been impatiently standing in the wings. The labour party will veer left as conservatives go centre, the end of labour." In the meantime the imminent budget will likely curse the prospect of economic growth Everyone I know runs a business and people are full of worry about what’s coming. | |||
"Cleverly was the centrist last best hope… this Tory party is lurching right… and probably gave starmer another election victory in 5 years time This was always going to play out towards the right, and it will pull in the reform voters quickly. I expect the new leader of the conservative party to be replaced within 2 - 3 years to allow a swing towards centre. And then the ex reform voters leave them again. I don’t think that will happen. What I anticipate is, Labour will drop Starmer when the tories make gains in popularity and bring in the left wing who have been impatiently standing in the wings. The labour party will veer left as conservatives go centre, the end of labour. In the meantime the imminent budget will likely curse the prospect of economic growth Everyone I know runs a business and people are full of worry about what’s coming. " The potential increase in Employer NIC is a big concern for many businesses (and inside IR35 contractors who have to pay it from their day rate as well as employee NIC). | |||
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"Cleverly was the centrist last best hope… this Tory party is lurching right… and probably gave starmer another election victory in 5 years time This was always going to play out towards the right, and it will pull in the reform voters quickly. I expect the new leader of the conservative party to be replaced within 2 - 3 years to allow a swing towards centre. And then the ex reform voters leave them again. I don’t think that will happen. What I anticipate is, Labour will drop Starmer when the tories make gains in popularity and bring in the left wing who have been impatiently standing in the wings. The labour party will veer left as conservatives go centre, the end of labour. Labour’s only ever gone to the left after defeat so I’m afraid your wet dream has no historical precedent." You’ve lost me, what are you saying exactly and what’s with the wet dream comment?  | |||
"Don't think either of them are Prime Minister material. It looks like the Tories are desperate to win back reform voters. Between the two choices, I think Kemi would be good as an opposition leader. Hopefully someone else takes over by the next election. " Exactly, pull back the defectors must be their first priority. Kemi, will deliver hard challenges to Starmer and restore some faith, but they know they can’t win an election with that approach. | |||
"Cleverly was the centrist last best hope… this Tory party is lurching right… and probably gave starmer another election victory in 5 years time This was always going to play out towards the right, and it will pull in the reform voters quickly. I expect the new leader of the conservative party to be replaced within 2 - 3 years to allow a swing towards centre. And then the ex reform voters leave them again. I don’t think that will happen. What I anticipate is, Labour will drop Starmer when the tories make gains in popularity and bring in the left wing who have been impatiently standing in the wings. The labour party will veer left as conservatives go centre, the end of labour. Labour’s only ever gone to the left after defeat so I’m afraid your wet dream has no historical precedent. You’ve lost me, what are you saying exactly and what’s with the wet dream comment? "You’ve an obsession with Starmer being replaced by some mythical left winger. It’s not going to happen mainly because he’s just been elected with the biggest majority in recent history and more importantly there is no left wing politician with that kind of backing. If I was a gambler I’d bet on him winning the next election and then handing over to Burnham. | |||
"Cleverly was the centrist last best hope… this Tory party is lurching right… and probably gave starmer another election victory in 5 years time This was always going to play out towards the right, and it will pull in the reform voters quickly. I expect the new leader of the conservative party to be replaced within 2 - 3 years to allow a swing towards centre. And then the ex reform voters leave them again. I don’t think that will happen. What I anticipate is, Labour will drop Starmer when the tories make gains in popularity and bring in the left wing who have been impatiently standing in the wings. The labour party will veer left as conservatives go centre, the end of labour. Labour’s only ever gone to the left after defeat so I’m afraid your wet dream has no historical precedent. You’ve lost me, what are you saying exactly and what’s with the wet dream comment?
You’ve an obsession with Starmer being replaced by some mythical left winger. It’s not going to happen mainly because he’s just been elected with the biggest majority in recent history and more importantly there is no left wing politician with that kind of backing.
If I was a gambler I’d bet on him winning the next election and then handing over to Burnham."I like Burnham but let's not try to pretend he isn't left wing 
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"Cleverly was the centrist last best hope… this Tory party is lurching right… and probably gave starmer another election victory in 5 years time This was always going to play out towards the right, and it will pull in the reform voters quickly. I expect the new leader of the conservative party to be replaced within 2 - 3 years to allow a swing towards centre. And then the ex reform voters leave them again. I don’t think that will happen. What I anticipate is, Labour will drop Starmer when the tories make gains in popularity and bring in the left wing who have been impatiently standing in the wings. The labour party will veer left as conservatives go centre, the end of labour. Labour’s only ever gone to the left after defeat so I’m afraid your wet dream has no historical precedent. You’ve lost me, what are you saying exactly and what’s with the wet dream comment?
You’ve an obsession with Starmer being replaced by some mythical left winger. It’s not going to happen mainly because he’s just been elected with the biggest majority in recent history and more importantly there is no left wing politician with that kind of backing.
If I was a gambler I’d bet on him winning the next election and then handing over to Burnham.
I like Burnham but let's not try to pretend he isn't left wing
"He isn’t. Corbyn was, Foot was. | |||
"Couldn't give 2 fucks, guess why? My life won't change. If labour remain in, or Tories get back in ... Couldn't give 2 fucks, as my life won't change Go figure!" I have to agree. We've never had anything of real substance from any party of any flavour. A few crumbs maybe, but I'm worth a lot more than a few crumbs that some politician casts out their car window to keep the peasants happy. Everything has come from us and effort. I think if anyone relies on politics or politicians for a life uplift, you'll be sadly disappointed. | |||
"Couldn't give 2 fucks, guess why? My life won't change. If labour remain in, or Tories get back in ... Couldn't give 2 fucks, as my life won't change Go figure! I have to agree. We've never had anything of real substance from any party of any flavour. A few crumbs maybe, but I'm worth a lot more than a few crumbs that some politician casts out their car window to keep the peasants happy. Everything has come from us and effort. I think if anyone relies on politics or politicians for a life uplift, you'll be sadly disappointed. " However, as we are likely to find out on 30 October, they can take away all you have worked hard for. | |||
"Couldn't give 2 fucks, guess why? My life won't change. If labour remain in, or Tories get back in ... Couldn't give 2 fucks, as my life won't change Go figure! I have to agree. We've never had anything of real substance from any party of any flavour. A few crumbs maybe, but I'm worth a lot more than a few crumbs that some politician casts out their car window to keep the peasants happy. Everything has come from us and effort. I think if anyone relies on politics or politicians for a life uplift, you'll be sadly disappointed. However, as we are likely to find out on 30 October, they can take away all you have worked hard for." So can the Mrs. | |||
"Couldn't give 2 fucks, guess why? My life won't change. If labour remain in, or Tories get back in ... Couldn't give 2 fucks, as my life won't change Go figure! I have to agree. We've never had anything of real substance from any party of any flavour. A few crumbs maybe, but I'm worth a lot more than a few crumbs that some politician casts out their car window to keep the peasants happy. Everything has come from us and effort. I think if anyone relies on politics or politicians for a life uplift, you'll be sadly disappointed. However, as we are likely to find out on 30 October, they can take away all you have worked hard for." yep, that's exactly what the last lot spent 14 years doing ... and they stuffed all your dosh in their overseas bank accounts .... now farage and tice want theirs, only they're after a much bigger cut of the cash. | |||
"Cleverly was the centrist last best hope… this Tory party is lurching right… and probably gave starmer another election victory in 5 years time This was always going to play out towards the right, and it will pull in the reform voters quickly. I expect the new leader of the conservative party to be replaced within 2 - 3 years to allow a swing towards centre. And then the ex reform voters leave them again. I don’t think that will happen. What I anticipate is, Labour will drop Starmer when the tories make gains in popularity and bring in the left wing who have been impatiently standing in the wings. The labour party will veer left as conservatives go centre, the end of labour. Labour’s only ever gone to the left after defeat so I’m afraid your wet dream has no historical precedent. You’ve lost me, what are you saying exactly and what’s with the wet dream comment?
You’ve an obsession with Starmer being replaced by some mythical left winger. It’s not going to happen mainly because he’s just been elected with the biggest majority in recent history and more importantly there is no left wing politician with that kind of backing.
If I was a gambler I’d bet on him winning the next election and then handing over to Burnham."Obsessed 🤣 mythical left winger 🤣🤣 | |||
"Couldn't give 2 fucks, guess why? My life won't change. If labour remain in, or Tories get back in ... Couldn't give 2 fucks, as my life won't change Go figure! I have to agree. We've never had anything of real substance from any party of any flavour. A few crumbs maybe, but I'm worth a lot more than a few crumbs that some politician casts out their car window to keep the peasants happy. Everything has come from us and effort. I think if anyone relies on politics or politicians for a life uplift, you'll be sadly disappointed. However, as we are likely to find out on 30 October, they can take away all you have worked hard for." All? Don't think so. Not really too fussed on what they have done so far. WFA - Doesn't effect us. One couple we spoke to said they used their WFA to pay for Ryanair flights. Not quite sure it was meant to top up holiday fund. Like I said, never had anything from a politician or a party. | |||
"Badenoch simply for the lols from Tories having four female leaders before Labour have had one. "She could have been Labour leader already if she had taken up my helpful suggestion to change sides, which I have made in previous forum posts! | |||
"Cleverly was the centrist last best hope… this Tory party is lurching right… and probably gave starmer another election victory in 5 years time This was always going to play out towards the right, and it will pull in the reform voters quickly. I expect the new leader of the conservative party to be replaced within 2 - 3 years to allow a swing towards centre. And then the ex reform voters leave them again. I don’t think that will happen. What I anticipate is, Labour will drop Starmer when the tories make gains in popularity and bring in the left wing who have been impatiently standing in the wings. The labour party will veer left as conservatives go centre, the end of labour. Labour’s only ever gone to the left after defeat so I’m afraid your wet dream has no historical precedent. You’ve lost me, what are you saying exactly and what’s with the wet dream comment? "He is basically saying that Labour basically win when they play from the centre and lose when they lurch to the left… an historically.. he isn’t wrong It’s a bit like saying the Liberal Democrat’s tend to do well when they are not squeezed in the centre ground from both the right and the left!!! It’s the same in the American elections where primaries of both the democratic and republican sides are won drifting to the left/right… but general elections are won in the middle! So the key normally is to try not to dragged so far left/right by your party based, that you can drift back Problem with corbyn, and truss.. is they let the extreme base pick the person who couldn’t revert back! | |||
"Badenoch simply for the lols from Tories having four female leaders before Labour have had one. "This is such an irony. Most DEI fanatics are labour supporters and they haven't had a single female leader. Have they had a non-white leader? Tory supporters are against forcing DEI and they already have multiple female leaders and a guy of Indian origin as PM. | |||
"Cleverly was the centrist last best hope… this Tory party is lurching right… and probably gave starmer another election victory in 5 years time This was always going to play out towards the right, and it will pull in the reform voters quickly. I expect the new leader of the conservative party to be replaced within 2 - 3 years to allow a swing towards centre. And then the ex reform voters leave them again. I don’t think that will happen. What I anticipate is, Labour will drop Starmer when the tories make gains in popularity and bring in the left wing who have been impatiently standing in the wings. The labour party will veer left as conservatives go centre, the end of labour. Labour’s only ever gone to the left after defeat so I’m afraid your wet dream has no historical precedent. You’ve lost me, what are you saying exactly and what’s with the wet dream comment?
He is basically saying that Labour basically win when they play from the centre and lose when they lurch to the left… an historically.. he isn’t wrong
It’s a bit like saying the Liberal Democrat’s tend to do well when they are not squeezed in the centre ground from both the right and the left!!!
It’s the same in the American elections where primaries of both the democratic and republican sides are won drifting to the left/right… but general elections are won in the middle! So the key normally is to try not to dragged so far left/right by your party based, that you can drift back
Problem with corbyn, and truss.. is they let the extreme base pick the person who couldn’t revert back! "I got it in the end, the reason I was confused is it echoes the scenario I suggested minus Starmer going... Tories end up centre after a short period leaning to the right, bringing back the reform vote and labour veering off to the left. | |||
"Cleverly was the centrist last best hope… this Tory party is lurching right… and probably gave starmer another election victory in 5 years time This was always going to play out towards the right, and it will pull in the reform voters quickly. I expect the new leader of the conservative party to be replaced within 2 - 3 years to allow a swing towards centre. And then the ex reform voters leave them again. I don’t think that will happen. What I anticipate is, Labour will drop Starmer when the tories make gains in popularity and bring in the left wing who have been impatiently standing in the wings. The labour party will veer left as conservatives go centre, the end of labour. Labour’s only ever gone to the left after defeat so I’m afraid your wet dream has no historical precedent. You’ve lost me, what are you saying exactly and what’s with the wet dream comment?
He is basically saying that Labour basically win when they play from the centre and lose when they lurch to the left… an historically.. he isn’t wrong
It’s a bit like saying the Liberal Democrat’s tend to do well when they are not squeezed in the centre ground from both the right and the left!!!
It’s the same in the American elections where primaries of both the democratic and republican sides are won drifting to the left/right… but general elections are won in the middle! So the key normally is to try not to dragged so far left/right by your party based, that you can drift back
Problem with corbyn, and truss.. is they let the extreme base pick the person who couldn’t revert back!
I got it in the end, the reason I was confused is it echoes the scenario I suggested minus Starmer going... Tories end up centre after a short period leaning to the right, bringing back the reform vote and labour veering off to the left.
"in your dreams 🤣 | |||
"Cleverly was the centrist last best hope… this Tory party is lurching right… and probably gave starmer another election victory in 5 years time This was always going to play out towards the right, and it will pull in the reform voters quickly. I expect the new leader of the conservative party to be replaced within 2 - 3 years to allow a swing towards centre. And then the ex reform voters leave them again. I don’t think that will happen. What I anticipate is, Labour will drop Starmer when the tories make gains in popularity and bring in the left wing who have been impatiently standing in the wings. The labour party will veer left as conservatives go centre, the end of labour. Labour’s only ever gone to the left after defeat so I’m afraid your wet dream has no historical precedent. You’ve lost me, what are you saying exactly and what’s with the wet dream comment?
He is basically saying that Labour basically win when they play from the centre and lose when they lurch to the left… an historically.. he isn’t wrong
It’s a bit like saying the Liberal Democrat’s tend to do well when they are not squeezed in the centre ground from both the right and the left!!!
It’s the same in the American elections where primaries of both the democratic and republican sides are won drifting to the left/right… but general elections are won in the middle! So the key normally is to try not to dragged so far left/right by your party based, that you can drift back
Problem with corbyn, and truss.. is they let the extreme base pick the person who couldn’t revert back!
I got it in the end, the reason I was confused is it echoes the scenario I suggested minus Starmer going... Tories end up centre after a short period leaning to the right, bringing back the reform vote and labour veering off to the left.
in your dreams 🤣"Tell me why this is would not happen? | |||
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"Badenoch simply for the lols from Tories having four female leaders before Labour have had one. "The less said about the last two, the better. | |||
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"Neither will lead the Tories into the next election. Only chance Tories have is by forming a pact with Reform. " No chance, we don’t want a pact with the Tories… | |||
"Neither will lead the Tories into the next election. Only chance Tories have is by forming a pact with Reform. " My guess is whoever wins will lead the Tories into the next GE but is highly unlikely to win unless Labour implode or continue as they started. Then they will go for someone else but no idea who as the cupboard looks bare | |||
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"Cleverly was the centrist last best hope… this Tory party is lurching right… and probably gave starmer another election victory in 5 years time " wow ruling out reform allready then | |||
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"Jenrick being interviewed by Victoria Derbyshire last night was unable to say the word Sexist in regards to his supporter Christopher Chope saying the fact Badenoch had 3 children meant she couldn’t be leader. I’m not sure if he’s worried about upsetting other MPs or the membership who remember when the little lady stayed at home baking cookies and making sure hubbies shirts were ironed." Speak about twisting words and spreading false news. I just searched for what Christopher actually said: "And, much as I like Kemi, I think she's preoccupied with her own children, quite understandably." "But I think Robert's children are a bit older, and I think that it's important that whoever leads the opposition has got an immense amount of time and energy." He didn't say that Kemi being a woman should spend time looking after her children. He says that Kemi IS spending a lot of time looking after her children. But Jenrick's children are older, which gives him more time to spend on political issues. I don't agree with what Christopher said. But I don't see why he is being called sexist. | |||
"Jenrick being interviewed by Victoria Derbyshire last night was unable to say the word Sexist in regards to his supporter Christopher Chope saying the fact Badenoch had 3 children meant she couldn’t be leader. I’m not sure if he’s worried about upsetting other MPs or the membership who remember when the little lady stayed at home baking cookies and making sure hubbies shirts were ironed. Speak about twisting words and spreading false news. I just searched for what Christopher actually said: "And, much as I like Kemi, I think she's preoccupied with her own children, quite understandably." "But I think Robert's children are a bit older, and I think that it's important that whoever leads the opposition has got an immense amount of time and energy." He didn't say that Kemi being a woman should spend time looking after her children. He says that Kemi IS spending a lot of time looking after her children. But Jenrick's children are older, which gives him more time to spend on political issues. I don't agree with what Christopher said. But I don't see why he is being called sexist." Probably because he didn’t see it as a problem with Cameron and his young children… or when boris Johnson and Carrie were popping out children whilst he was in office… or when Sunak and his wife were in office…… So men having young children around… fine Women having young children around.. no so much! And if that’s the best reason he can give.. it’s not great! God dammit you got me defending kemi! I feel so dirty!!!! And Christopher chope is a prize bell end at the best of times! Having that man as a supporter is probably an overall negative anyway!! You got me defending kemi!!! I need a bloody shower!!! | |||
"Jenrick being interviewed by Victoria Derbyshire last night was unable to say the word Sexist in regards to his supporter Christopher Chope saying the fact Badenoch had 3 children meant she couldn’t be leader. I’m not sure if he’s worried about upsetting other MPs or the membership who remember when the little lady stayed at home baking cookies and making sure hubbies shirts were ironed. Speak about twisting words and spreading false news. I just searched for what Christopher actually said: "And, much as I like Kemi, I think she's preoccupied with her own children, quite understandably." "But I think Robert's children are a bit older, and I think that it's important that whoever leads the opposition has got an immense amount of time and energy." He didn't say that Kemi being a woman should spend time looking after her children. He says that Kemi IS spending a lot of time looking after her children. But Jenrick's children are older, which gives him more time to spend on political issues. I don't agree with what Christopher said. But I don't see why he is being called sexist. Probably because he didn’t see it as a problem with Cameron and his young children… or when boris Johnson and Carrie were popping out children whilst he was in office… or when Sunak and his wife were in office…… So men having young children around… fine Women having young children around.. no so much! And if that’s the best reason he can give.. it’s not great! God dammit you got me defending kemi! I feel so dirty!!!! And Christopher chope is a prize bell end at the best of times! Having that man as a supporter is probably an overall negative anyway!! You got me defending kemi!!! I need a bloody shower!!! " Between Jenrick and Kemi, I support Kemi too. But you are bending over backwards to call his remark sexist. I don't care much for Christopher either. Right now, the contest is between Kemi and Jenrick. Christopher said that Kemi already spends less amount of time in politics compared to Jenrick because she spends more time with kids and hence he prefers Jenrick. He does not say that Kemi must spend more time. He says that she already does. So how exactly are you calling this a sexist remark? I find his remark stupid, not sexist. | |||
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"Kemi it is "I hope she tightens up online security to prevent hackers. | |||
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"Fourth female leader of the Conservatives, second successive leader from a minority heritage. Will Labour ever have a female leader I wonder ? "Ironic, isn't it | |||
"Fourth female leader of the Conservatives, second successive leader from a minority heritage. Will Labour ever have a female leader I wonder ? "I thought the right don’t believe in quotas based on race or gender. Best person for the job and all that. | |||
"Fourth female leader of the Conservatives, second successive leader from a minority heritage. Will Labour ever have a female leader I wonder ? "Yes, it will be Dianne Abbot! | |||
"Fourth female leader of the Conservatives, second successive leader from a minority heritage. Will Labour ever have a female leader I wonder ? "Will the tories ever have a female chancellor? | |||
"Fourth female leader of the Conservatives, second successive leader from a minority heritage. Will Labour ever have a female leader I wonder ?
Will the tories ever have a female chancellor? "I hope not if they're as disastrous as Grandmaster Reeves ! | |||
"Kemi it is "O dear, that’s the tories fucked for a few more years, | |||
"Fourth female leader of the Conservatives, second successive leader from a minority heritage. Will Labour ever have a female leader I wonder ?
Will the tories ever have a female chancellor?
I hope not if they're as disastrous as Grandmaster Reeves ! "Reeves is doing a good job, great budget in the circumstances, | |||
"Fourth female leader of the Conservatives, second successive leader from a minority heritage. Will Labour ever have a female leader I wonder ?
Will the tories ever have a female chancellor?
I hope not if they're as disastrous as Grandmaster Reeves !
Reeves is doing a good job, great budget in the circumstances, "What are your budget highlights? | |||
"Fourth female leader of the Conservatives, second successive leader from a minority heritage. Will Labour ever have a female leader I wonder ?
Will the tories ever have a female chancellor?
I hope not if they're as disastrous as Grandmaster Reeves !
Reeves is doing a good job, great budget in the circumstances,
What are your budget highlights?"Overall it was a good balanced budget, labour have inherited a mess, created by the tories and Brexit, it will take years to fix, this was the start , it’s what the country voted for | |||
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"Even the conservative members aren’t convinced. She got just under 54k votes. Sunak got 60k coming second to Truss " Tbh, the turn out was apparently low, you can’t blame them having to choose between those 2, both useless | |||
"Fourth female leader of the Conservatives, second successive leader from a minority heritage. Will Labour ever have a female leader I wonder ?
Will the tories ever have a female chancellor?
I hope not if they're as disastrous as Grandmaster Reeves !
Reeves is doing a good job, great budget in the circumstances,
What are your budget highlights?
Overall it was a good balanced budget, labour have inherited a mess, created by the tories and Brexit, it will take years to fix, this was the start , it’s what the country voted for "I'm not disagreeing that the party were elected to run the country, that is a given. I read a lot about the budget and I'm not getting a sense of "great", that could be my closed shop sources. It would be good to hear how the budget is actually being of benefit?? | |||
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"Fourth female leader of the Conservatives, second successive leader from a minority heritage. Will Labour ever have a female leader I wonder ?
Will the tories ever have a female chancellor?
I hope not if they're as disastrous as Grandmaster Reeves !
Reeves is doing a good job, great budget in the circumstances,
What are your budget highlights?
Overall it was a good balanced budget, labour have inherited a mess, created by the tories and Brexit, it will take years to fix, this was the start , it’s what the country voted for
I'm not disagreeing that the party were elected to run the country, that is a given.
I read a lot about the budget and I'm not getting a sense of "great", that could be my closed shop sources.
It would be good to hear how the budget is actually being of benefit??"It provides growth in the short term, it helps fix the problems created by the tories and Brexit, they have to find money to pay for the blood and post office scandals, iit is a great start, it what the country voted for , the uk no longer wants populist nonsense | |||
"Fourth female leader of the Conservatives, second successive leader from a minority heritage. Will Labour ever have a female leader I wonder ?
I thought the right don’t believe in quotas based on race or gender. Best person for the job and all that."Yes. And they chose the best available candidate for the job. It goes totally against the belief that Tories are racist/sexist. They still stand by their principles of meritocracy. Labour voters on the other hand seem to love the idea of quotas. So they are the ones who are saying one thing and doing another. Also conservative leaders from the minorities know that the position they achieved is out of their own merit and be proud about it because they know they aren't "diversity hires". | |||
"Meanwhile Cleverly sits back and waits to take over when she loses in 2029. A large number of reforms voters are not going to embrace her." She has no chance with those voters, an immigrant women of colour? Tbh, Cleverly is a far better option? More centrist and sensible, Badenoch is useless | |||
"Fourth female leader of the Conservatives, second successive leader from a minority heritage. Will Labour ever have a female leader I wonder ?
I thought the right don’t believe in quotas based on race or gender. Best person for the job and all that.
Yes. And they chose the best available candidate for the job. It goes totally against the belief that Tories are racist/sexist. They still stand by their principles of meritocracy.
Labour voters on the other hand seem to love the idea of quotas. So they are the ones who are saying one thing and doing another.
Also conservative leaders from the minorities know that the position they achieved is out of their own merit and be proud about it because they know they aren't "diversity hires"."🎯 | |||
"Fourth female leader of the Conservatives, second successive leader from a minority heritage. Will Labour ever have a female leader I wonder ?
I thought the right don’t believe in quotas based on race or gender. Best person for the job and all that.
Yes. And they chose the best available candidate for the job. It goes totally against the belief that Tories are racist/sexist. They still stand by their principles of meritocracy.
Labour voters on the other hand seem to love the idea of quotas. So they are the ones who are saying one thing and doing another.
Also conservative leaders from the minorities know that the position they achieved is out of their own merit and be proud about it because they know they aren't "diversity hires"."No female chancellors though, why is that | |||
"Fourth female leader of the Conservatives, second successive leader from a minority heritage. Will Labour ever have a female leader I wonder ?
I thought the right don’t believe in quotas based on race or gender. Best person for the job and all that.
Yes. And they chose the best available candidate for the job. It goes totally against the belief that Tories are racist/sexist. They still stand by their principles of meritocracy.
Labour voters on the other hand seem to love the idea of quotas. So they are the ones who are saying one thing and doing another.
Also conservative leaders from the minorities know that the position they achieved is out of their own merit and be proud about it because they know they aren't "diversity hires"."True she used to be working class | |||
"Fourth female leader of the Conservatives, second successive leader from a minority heritage. Will Labour ever have a female leader I wonder ?
I thought the right don’t believe in quotas based on race or gender. Best person for the job and all that.
Yes. And they chose the best available candidate for the job. It goes totally against the belief that Tories are racist/sexist. They still stand by their principles of meritocracy.
Labour voters on the other hand seem to love the idea of quotas. So they are the ones who are saying one thing and doing another.
Also conservative leaders from the minorities know that the position they achieved is out of their own merit and be proud about it because they know they aren't "diversity hires".
True she used to be working class "Ha, she worked in McDonald’s for 2 weeks, and she never makes any gaffs, apparently | |||
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"Poor old Kier must be wondering why he bothered. Personal ratings at record low, his Chancellor done him over with her catastrophic budget, and now he's getting his bum spanked every week in PMQs by Kemi. Surely it's time for Angela Rayner to take over ? "Don’t be daft, personal ratings are irrelevant right now, he has at least 5 years, it is what the country voted for | |||
"Fourth female leader of the Conservatives, second successive leader from a minority heritage. Will Labour ever have a female leader I wonder ?
Will the tories ever have a female chancellor?
I hope not if they're as disastrous as Grandmaster Reeves !
Reeves is doing a good job, great budget in the circumstances,
What are your budget highlights?
Overall it was a good balanced budget, labour have inherited a mess, created by the tories and Brexit, it will take years to fix, this was the start , it’s what the country voted for
I'm not disagreeing that the party were elected to run the country, that is a given.
I read a lot about the budget and I'm not getting a sense of "great", that could be my closed shop sources.
It would be good to hear how the budget is actually being of benefit??
It provides growth in the short term, it helps fix the problems created by the tories and Brexit, they have to find money to pay for the blood and post office scandals, iit is a great start, it what the country voted for , the uk no longer wants populist nonsense
"I could argue what you have listed is populist, it is certainly what the country wanted to hear. If it kick starts a more upbeat outlook that would be something. The challenge will be in the deeper economic changes and plans, they are not as growth building as expected and that will cause a further squeeze that can only be addressed by tax increases to the working people. The measure of this government will be how it manages that. | |||
"Fourth female leader of the Conservatives, second successive leader from a minority heritage. Will Labour ever have a female leader I wonder ?
I thought the right don’t believe in quotas based on race or gender. Best person for the job and all that.
Yes. And they chose the best available candidate for the job. It goes totally against the belief that Tories are racist/sexist. They still stand by their principles of meritocracy.
Labour voters on the other hand seem to love the idea of quotas. So they are the ones who are saying one thing and doing another.
Also conservative leaders from the minorities know that the position they achieved is out of their own merit and be proud about it because they know they aren't "diversity hires".
True she used to be working class "At least she treats working class with much more respect instead of calling them illiterate people voting against "their own interests" | |||
"Fourth female leader of the Conservatives, second successive leader from a minority heritage. Will Labour ever have a female leader I wonder ?
Will the tories ever have a female chancellor?
I hope not if they're as disastrous as Grandmaster Reeves !
Reeves is doing a good job, great budget in the circumstances,
What are your budget highlights?
Overall it was a good balanced budget, labour have inherited a mess, created by the tories and Brexit, it will take years to fix, this was the start , it’s what the country voted for
I'm not disagreeing that the party were elected to run the country, that is a given.
I read a lot about the budget and I'm not getting a sense of "great", that could be my closed shop sources.
It would be good to hear how the budget is actually being of benefit??
It provides growth in the short term, it helps fix the problems created by the tories and Brexit, they have to find money to pay for the blood and post office scandals, iit is a great start, it what the country voted for , the uk no longer wants populist nonsense
I could argue what you have listed is populist, it is certainly what the country wanted to hear.
If it kick starts a more upbeat outlook that would be something.
The challenge will be in the deeper economic changes and plans, they are not as growth building as expected and that will cause a further squeeze that can only be addressed by tax increases to the working people.
The measure of this government will be how it manages that."They have a mandate from the country, the electorate have voted , they are sick and tired or the tories, SKS won’t be distracted by a minority of right wing distractors, he has a job to do, the electorate have spoken | |||
"Fourth female leader of the Conservatives, second successive leader from a minority heritage. Will Labour ever have a female leader I wonder ?
I thought the right don’t believe in quotas based on race or gender. Best person for the job and all that.
Yes. And they chose the best available candidate for the job. It goes totally against the belief that Tories are racist/sexist. They still stand by their principles of meritocracy.
Labour voters on the other hand seem to love the idea of quotas. So they are the ones who are saying one thing and doing another.
Also conservative leaders from the minorities know that the position they achieved is out of their own merit and be proud about it because they know they aren't "diversity hires".
True she used to be working class
At least she treats working class with much more respect instead of calling them illiterate people voting against "their own interests""Which member of the government said that? | |||
"Fourth female leader of the Conservatives, second successive leader from a minority heritage. Will Labour ever have a female leader I wonder ?
I thought the right don’t believe in quotas based on race or gender. Best person for the job and all that.
Yes. And they chose the best available candidate for the job. It goes totally against the belief that Tories are racist/sexist. They still stand by their principles of meritocracy.
Labour voters on the other hand seem to love the idea of quotas. So they are the ones who are saying one thing and doing another.
Also conservative leaders from the minorities know that the position they achieved is out of their own merit and be proud about it because they know they aren't "diversity hires".
True she used to be working class
At least she treats working class with much more respect instead of calling them illiterate people voting against "their own interests""Hello there, I am afraid you don’t live in the real world, working class people have just voted labour into power, they rejected the tories and reform | |||
"Meanwhile Cleverly sits back and waits to take over when she loses in 2029. A large number of reforms voters are not going to embrace her." The party needs a strong difference and a leader who will cause a problem for Starmer, that they now have and it pull the reform voters back too. They wont win an election with that strategy, they need to move back centre, to do that before the next GE they need labour to implode and find the right leader. Touch and go I would say, unless they drop the economy in year 2 | |||
"Fourth female leader of the Conservatives, second successive leader from a minority heritage. Will Labour ever have a female leader I wonder ?
I thought the right don’t believe in quotas based on race or gender. Best person for the job and all that.
Yes. And they chose the best available candidate for the job. It goes totally against the belief that Tories are racist/sexist. They still stand by their principles of meritocracy.
Labour voters on the other hand seem to love the idea of quotas. So they are the ones who are saying one thing and doing another.
Also conservative leaders from the minorities know that the position they achieved is out of their own merit and be proud about it because they know they aren't "diversity hires".
True she used to be working class
At least she treats working class with much more respect instead of calling them illiterate people voting against "their own interests"
Hello there, I am afraid you don’t live in the real world, working class people have just voted labour into power, they rejected the tories and reform "And the Tories accepted it. The last time they voted for Tories and Brexit, they were called idiots who don't know what they want by the patronising left on the internet. | |||
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"Fourth female leader of the Conservatives, second successive leader from a minority heritage. Will Labour ever have a female leader I wonder ?
I thought the right don’t believe in quotas based on race or gender. Best person for the job and all that.
Yes. And they chose the best available candidate for the job. It goes totally against the belief that Tories are racist/sexist. They still stand by their principles of meritocracy.
Labour voters on the other hand seem to love the idea of quotas. So they are the ones who are saying one thing and doing another.
Also conservative leaders from the minorities know that the position they achieved is out of their own merit and be proud about it because they know they aren't "diversity hires".
True she used to be working class
At least she treats working class with much more respect instead of calling them illiterate people voting against "their own interests"
Hello there, I am afraid you don’t live in the real world, working class people have just voted labour into power, they rejected the tories and reform
And the Tories accepted it. The last time they voted for Tories and Brexit, they were called idiots who don't know what they want by the patronising left on the internet."You shouldn’t take notice of everything you read on the internet, the only thing that matters is what happens at the ballot box, the country have spoken | |||
"Fourth female leader of the Conservatives, second successive leader from a minority heritage. Will Labour ever have a female leader I wonder ?
I thought the right don’t believe in quotas based on race or gender. Best person for the job and all that.
Yes. And they chose the best available candidate for the job. It goes totally against the belief that Tories are racist/sexist. They still stand by their principles of meritocracy.
Labour voters on the other hand seem to love the idea of quotas. So they are the ones who are saying one thing and doing another.
Also conservative leaders from the minorities know that the position they achieved is out of their own merit and be proud about it because they know they aren't "diversity hires".
True she used to be working class
At least she treats working class with much more respect instead of calling them illiterate people voting against "their own interests"
Which member of the government said that?"Not current. But Barry Sheerman said that leave voters are thick and no action was taken against him | |||
"Fourth female leader of the Conservatives, second successive leader from a minority heritage. Will Labour ever have a female leader I wonder ?
I thought the right don’t believe in quotas based on race or gender. Best person for the job and all that.
Yes. And they chose the best available candidate for the job. It goes totally against the belief that Tories are racist/sexist. They still stand by their principles of meritocracy.
Labour voters on the other hand seem to love the idea of quotas. So they are the ones who are saying one thing and doing another.
Also conservative leaders from the minorities know that the position they achieved is out of their own merit and be proud about it because they know they aren't "diversity hires".
True she used to be working class
At least she treats working class with much more respect instead of calling them illiterate people voting against "their own interests"
Hello there, I am afraid you don’t live in the real world, working class people have just voted labour into power, they rejected the tories and reform
And the Tories accepted it. The last time they voted for Tories and Brexit, they were called idiots who don't know what they want by the patronising left on the internet.
You shouldn’t take notice of everything you read on the internet, the only thing that matters is what happens at the ballot box, the country have spoken "The country also spoke the last time and the tims before. They will speak the next time too. Will you accept the people's choice or whine like the left usually does? | |||
"Fourth female leader of the Conservatives, second successive leader from a minority heritage. Will Labour ever have a female leader I wonder ?
I thought the right don’t believe in quotas based on race or gender. Best person for the job and all that.
Yes. And they chose the best available candidate for the job. It goes totally against the belief that Tories are racist/sexist. They still stand by their principles of meritocracy.
Labour voters on the other hand seem to love the idea of quotas. So they are the ones who are saying one thing and doing another.
Also conservative leaders from the minorities know that the position they achieved is out of their own merit and be proud about it because they know they aren't "diversity hires".
True she used to be working class
At least she treats working class with much more respect instead of calling them illiterate people voting against "their own interests"
Hello there, I am afraid you don’t live in the real world, working class people have just voted labour into power, they rejected the tories and reform
And the Tories accepted it. The last time they voted for Tories and Brexit, they were called idiots who don't know what they want by the patronising left on the internet.
You shouldn’t take notice of everything you read on the internet, the only thing that matters is what happens at the ballot box, the country have spoken
The country also spoke the last time and the tims before. They will speak the next time too. Will you accept the people's choice or whine like the left usually does? "I take no notice of what is written on the internet, maybe you are a bit sensitive to these things? I am not, anyway, labour have a huge majority voted in be the electorate, the will of the people, role to support them | |||
"Fourth female leader of the Conservatives, second successive leader from a minority heritage. Will Labour ever have a female leader I wonder ?
I thought the right don’t believe in quotas based on race or gender. Best person for the job and all that.
Yes. And they chose the best available candidate for the job. It goes totally against the belief that Tories are racist/sexist. They still stand by their principles of meritocracy.
Labour voters on the other hand seem to love the idea of quotas. So they are the ones who are saying one thing and doing another.
Also conservative leaders from the minorities know that the position they achieved is out of their own merit and be proud about it because they know they aren't "diversity hires".
True she used to be working class
At least she treats working class with much more respect instead of calling them illiterate people voting against "their own interests"
Which member of the government said that?
Not current. But Barry Sheerman said that leave voters are thick and no action was taken against him"Do you think he should have been punished for saying ‘hurty words’ ? | |||
"Fourth female leader of the Conservatives, second successive leader from a minority heritage. Will Labour ever have a female leader I wonder ?
I thought the right don’t believe in quotas based on race or gender. Best person for the job and all that.
Yes. And they chose the best available candidate for the job. It goes totally against the belief that Tories are racist/sexist. They still stand by their principles of meritocracy.
Labour voters on the other hand seem to love the idea of quotas. So they are the ones who are saying one thing and doing another.
Also conservative leaders from the minorities know that the position they achieved is out of their own merit and be proud about it because they know they aren't "diversity hires".
True she used to be working class
At least she treats working class with much more respect instead of calling them illiterate people voting against "their own interests"
Which member of the government said that?
Not current. But Barry Sheerman said that leave voters are thick and no action was taken against him"I’m sure I could find quotes from politicians of all parties that insult the electorate. | |||
"Fourth female leader of the Conservatives, second successive leader from a minority heritage. Will Labour ever have a female leader I wonder ?
I thought the right don’t believe in quotas based on race or gender. Best person for the job and all that.
Yes. And they chose the best available candidate for the job. It goes totally against the belief that Tories are racist/sexist. They still stand by their principles of meritocracy.
Labour voters on the other hand seem to love the idea of quotas. So they are the ones who are saying one thing and doing another.
Also conservative leaders from the minorities know that the position they achieved is out of their own merit and be proud about it because they know they aren't "diversity hires".
True she used to be working class
At least she treats working class with much more respect instead of calling them illiterate people voting against "their own interests"
Which member of the government said that?
Not current. But Barry Sheerman said that leave voters are thick and no action was taken against him
I’m sure I could find quotes from politicians of all parties that insult the electorate."Yeah keep moving the goalposts | |||
"Fourth female leader of the Conservatives, second successive leader from a minority heritage. Will Labour ever have a female leader I wonder ?
I thought the right don’t believe in quotas based on race or gender. Best person for the job and all that.
Yes. And they chose the best available candidate for the job. It goes totally against the belief that Tories are racist/sexist. They still stand by their principles of meritocracy.
Labour voters on the other hand seem to love the idea of quotas. So they are the ones who are saying one thing and doing another.
Also conservative leaders from the minorities know that the position they achieved is out of their own merit and be proud about it because they know they aren't "diversity hires".
True she used to be working class
At least she treats working class with much more respect instead of calling them illiterate people voting against "their own interests"
Which member of the government said that?
Not current. But Barry Sheerman said that leave voters are thick and no action was taken against him
I’m sure I could find quotes from politicians of all parties that insult the electorate.
Yeah keep moving the goalposts "Tbh, Barry Sherman’s consistency voted him as an MP for 45 years, they were not distracted by these alleged hurry words, at the end of the day it’s all about the result at the ballot box | |||
"Fourth female leader of the Conservatives, second successive leader from a minority heritage. Will Labour ever have a female leader I wonder ?
I thought the right don’t believe in quotas based on race or gender. Best person for the job and all that.
Yes. And they chose the best available candidate for the job. It goes totally against the belief that Tories are racist/sexist. They still stand by their principles of meritocracy.
Labour voters on the other hand seem to love the idea of quotas. So they are the ones who are saying one thing and doing another.
Also conservative leaders from the minorities know that the position they achieved is out of their own merit and be proud about it because they know they aren't "diversity hires".
True she used to be working class
At least she treats working class with much more respect instead of calling them illiterate people voting against "their own interests"
Which member of the government said that?
Not current. But Barry Sheerman said that leave voters are thick and no action was taken against him
Do you think he should have been punished for saying ‘hurty words’ ? "For a party that pretends to be pro working class and also feminist, the fact that they didn't take any action on him or Naz Shah after that tweet should say a lot about them | |||
"Fourth female leader of the Conservatives, second successive leader from a minority heritage. Will Labour ever have a female leader I wonder ?
I thought the right don’t believe in quotas based on race or gender. Best person for the job and all that.
Yes. And they chose the best available candidate for the job. It goes totally against the belief that Tories are racist/sexist. They still stand by their principles of meritocracy.
Labour voters on the other hand seem to love the idea of quotas. So they are the ones who are saying one thing and doing another.
Also conservative leaders from the minorities know that the position they achieved is out of their own merit and be proud about it because they know they aren't "diversity hires".
True she used to be working class
At least she treats working class with much more respect instead of calling them illiterate people voting against "their own interests"
Which member of the government said that?
Not current. But Barry Sheerman said that leave voters are thick and no action was taken against him
I’m sure I could find quotes from politicians of all parties that insult the electorate.
Yeah keep moving the goalposts
Tbh, Barry Sherman’s consistency voted him as an MP for 45 years, they were not distracted by these alleged hurry words, at the end of the day it’s all about the result at the ballot box "Do you have the same attitude about Brexit? Because people voted for it. | |||
"Fourth female leader of the Conservatives, second successive leader from a minority heritage. Will Labour ever have a female leader I wonder ?
I thought the right don’t believe in quotas based on race or gender. Best person for the job and all that.
Yes. And they chose the best available candidate for the job. It goes totally against the belief that Tories are racist/sexist. They still stand by their principles of meritocracy.
Labour voters on the other hand seem to love the idea of quotas. So they are the ones who are saying one thing and doing another.
Also conservative leaders from the minorities know that the position they achieved is out of their own merit and be proud about it because they know they aren't "diversity hires".
True she used to be working class
At least she treats working class with much more respect instead of calling them illiterate people voting against "their own interests"
Which member of the government said that?
Not current. But Barry Sheerman said that leave voters are thick and no action was taken against him
I’m sure I could find quotes from politicians of all parties that insult the electorate.
Yeah keep moving the goalposts
Tbh, Barry Sherman’s consistency voted him as an MP for 45 years, they were not distracted by these alleged hurry words, at the end of the day it’s all about the result at the ballot box "Constituency | |||
"Fourth female leader of the Conservatives, second successive leader from a minority heritage. Will Labour ever have a female leader I wonder ?
I thought the right don’t believe in quotas based on race or gender. Best person for the job and all that.
Yes. And they chose the best available candidate for the job. It goes totally against the belief that Tories are racist/sexist. They still stand by their principles of meritocracy.
Labour voters on the other hand seem to love the idea of quotas. So they are the ones who are saying one thing and doing another.
Also conservative leaders from the minorities know that the position they achieved is out of their own merit and be proud about it because they know they aren't "diversity hires".
True she used to be working class
At least she treats working class with much more respect instead of calling them illiterate people voting against "their own interests"
Which member of the government said that?
Not current. But Barry Sheerman said that leave voters are thick and no action was taken against him
I’m sure I could find quotes from politicians of all parties that insult the electorate.
Yeah keep moving the goalposts
Tbh, Barry Sherman’s consistency voted him as an MP for 45 years, they were not distracted by these alleged hurry words, at the end of the day it’s all about the result at the ballot box
Do you have the same attitude about Brexit? Because people voted for it. "Yes, Brexit is a disaster though , made worse by the tories but don’t worry, labour will sort it, it’s what the people voted for | |||
"Fourth female leader of the Conservatives, second successive leader from a minority heritage. Will Labour ever have a female leader I wonder ?
I thought the right don’t believe in quotas based on race or gender. Best person for the job and all that.
Yes. And they chose the best available candidate for the job. It goes totally against the belief that Tories are racist/sexist. They still stand by their principles of meritocracy.
Labour voters on the other hand seem to love the idea of quotas. So they are the ones who are saying one thing and doing another.
Also conservative leaders from the minorities know that the position they achieved is out of their own merit and be proud about it because they know they aren't "diversity hires".
True she used to be working class
At least she treats working class with much more respect instead of calling them illiterate people voting against "their own interests"
Which member of the government said that?
Not current. But Barry Sheerman said that leave voters are thick and no action was taken against him
Do you think he should have been punished for saying ‘hurty words’ ?
For a party that pretends to be pro working class and also feminist, the fact that they didn't take any action on him or Naz Shah after that tweet should say a lot about them"So you are offended by these hurty words? What is a fitting punishment | |||
"Fourth female leader of the Conservatives, second successive leader from a minority heritage. Will Labour ever have a female leader I wonder ?
I thought the right don’t believe in quotas based on race or gender. Best person for the job and all that.
Yes. And they chose the best available candidate for the job. It goes totally against the belief that Tories are racist/sexist. They still stand by their principles of meritocracy.
Labour voters on the other hand seem to love the idea of quotas. So they are the ones who are saying one thing and doing another.
Also conservative leaders from the minorities know that the position they achieved is out of their own merit and be proud about it because they know they aren't "diversity hires".
True she used to be working class
At least she treats working class with much more respect instead of calling them illiterate people voting against "their own interests"
Which member of the government said that?
Not current. But Barry Sheerman said that leave voters are thick and no action was taken against him
I’m sure I could find quotes from politicians of all parties that insult the electorate.
Yeah keep moving the goalposts "I think mentioning a quote from an ex labour MP on a thread about the new leader of the opposition is certainly moving the goalposts. | |||
"Fourth female leader of the Conservatives, second successive leader from a minority heritage. Will Labour ever have a female leader I wonder ?
I thought the right don’t believe in quotas based on race or gender. Best person for the job and all that.
Yes. And they chose the best available candidate for the job. It goes totally against the belief that Tories are racist/sexist. They still stand by their principles of meritocracy.
Labour voters on the other hand seem to love the idea of quotas. So they are the ones who are saying one thing and doing another.
Also conservative leaders from the minorities know that the position they achieved is out of their own merit and be proud about it because they know they aren't "diversity hires".
True she used to be working class
At least she treats working class with much more respect instead of calling them illiterate people voting against "their own interests"
Which member of the government said that?
Not current. But Barry Sheerman said that leave voters are thick and no action was taken against him
I’m sure I could find quotes from politicians of all parties that insult the electorate.
Yeah keep moving the goalposts
I think mentioning a quote from an ex labour MP on a thread about the new leader of the opposition is certainly moving the goalposts."We were discussing about the party and its principles. Which party is sticking to the principles they speak about? Given that majority of working class voted to leave, calling them thick doesn't really sound like a party that's pro working class, is it? | |||
"Fourth female leader of the Conservatives, second successive leader from a minority heritage. Will Labour ever have a female leader I wonder ?
I thought the right don’t believe in quotas based on race or gender. Best person for the job and all that.
Yes. And they chose the best available candidate for the job. It goes totally against the belief that Tories are racist/sexist. They still stand by their principles of meritocracy.
Labour voters on the other hand seem to love the idea of quotas. So they are the ones who are saying one thing and doing another.
Also conservative leaders from the minorities know that the position they achieved is out of their own merit and be proud about it because they know they aren't "diversity hires".
True she used to be working class
At least she treats working class with much more respect instead of calling them illiterate people voting against "their own interests"
Which member of the government said that?
Not current. But Barry Sheerman said that leave voters are thick and no action was taken against him
I’m sure I could find quotes from politicians of all parties that insult the electorate.
Yeah keep moving the goalposts
I think mentioning a quote from an ex labour MP on a thread about the new leader of the opposition is certainly moving the goalposts.
We were discussing about the party and its principles. Which party is sticking to the principles they speak about? Given that majority of working class voted to leave, calling them thick doesn't really sound like a party that's pro working class, is it?"When did he say these ‘hurty words’ | |||
"Fourth female leader of the Conservatives, second successive leader from a minority heritage. Will Labour ever have a female leader I wonder ?
I thought the right don’t believe in quotas based on race or gender. Best person for the job and all that.
Yes. And they chose the best available candidate for the job. It goes totally against the belief that Tories are racist/sexist. They still stand by their principles of meritocracy.
Labour voters on the other hand seem to love the idea of quotas. So they are the ones who are saying one thing and doing another.
Also conservative leaders from the minorities know that the position they achieved is out of their own merit and be proud about it because they know they aren't "diversity hires".
True she used to be working class
At least she treats working class with much more respect instead of calling them illiterate people voting against "their own interests"
Which member of the government said that?
Not current. But Barry Sheerman said that leave voters are thick and no action was taken against him
Do you think he should have been punished for saying ‘hurty words’ ?
For a party that pretends to be pro working class and also feminist, the fact that they didn't take any action on him or Naz Shah after that tweet should say a lot about them
So you are offended by these hurty words? What is a fitting punishment "When did I say I am offended? Getting offended by random shit is lefty behaviour. I am talking about consistency of principles and actions. | |||
"Fourth female leader of the Conservatives, second successive leader from a minority heritage. Will Labour ever have a female leader I wonder ?
I thought the right don’t believe in quotas based on race or gender. Best person for the job and all that.
Yes. And they chose the best available candidate for the job. It goes totally against the belief that Tories are racist/sexist. They still stand by their principles of meritocracy.
Labour voters on the other hand seem to love the idea of quotas. So they are the ones who are saying one thing and doing another.
Also conservative leaders from the minorities know that the position they achieved is out of their own merit and be proud about it because they know they aren't "diversity hires".
True she used to be working class
At least she treats working class with much more respect instead of calling them illiterate people voting against "their own interests"
Which member of the government said that?
Not current. But Barry Sheerman said that leave voters are thick and no action was taken against him
I’m sure I could find quotes from politicians of all parties that insult the electorate.
Yeah keep moving the goalposts
I think mentioning a quote from an ex labour MP on a thread about the new leader of the opposition is certainly moving the goalposts.
We were discussing about the party and its principles. Which party is sticking to the principles they speak about? Given that majority of working class voted to leave, calling them thick doesn't really sound like a party that's pro working class, is it?
When did he say these ‘hurty words’ "Who said anything about hurty words? | |||
"Fourth female leader of the Conservatives, second successive leader from a minority heritage. Will Labour ever have a female leader I wonder ?
I thought the right don’t believe in quotas based on race or gender. Best person for the job and all that.
Yes. And they chose the best available candidate for the job. It goes totally against the belief that Tories are racist/sexist. They still stand by their principles of meritocracy.
Labour voters on the other hand seem to love the idea of quotas. So they are the ones who are saying one thing and doing another.
Also conservative leaders from the minorities know that the position they achieved is out of their own merit and be proud about it because they know they aren't "diversity hires".
True she used to be working class
At least she treats working class with much more respect instead of calling them illiterate people voting against "their own interests"
Which member of the government said that?
Not current. But Barry Sheerman said that leave voters are thick and no action was taken against him
I’m sure I could find quotes from politicians of all parties that insult the electorate.
Yeah keep moving the goalposts
Tbh, Barry Sherman’s consistency voted him as an MP for 45 years, they were not distracted by these alleged hurry words, at the end of the day it’s all about the result at the ballot box
Do you have the same attitude about Brexit? Because people voted for it.
Yes, Brexit is a disaster though , made worse by the tories but don’t worry, labour will sort it, it’s what the people voted for "Ah.. Now you admit people make bad choices. So democracy and "people's choice" are all great as long as it aligns with your own views? | |||
"Fourth female leader of the Conservatives, second successive leader from a minority heritage. Will Labour ever have a female leader I wonder ?
I thought the right don’t believe in quotas based on race or gender. Best person for the job and all that.
Yes. And they chose the best available candidate for the job. It goes totally against the belief that Tories are racist/sexist. They still stand by their principles of meritocracy.
Labour voters on the other hand seem to love the idea of quotas. So they are the ones who are saying one thing and doing another.
Also conservative leaders from the minorities know that the position they achieved is out of their own merit and be proud about it because they know they aren't "diversity hires".
True she used to be working class
At least she treats working class with much more respect instead of calling them illiterate people voting against "their own interests"
Which member of the government said that?
Not current. But Barry Sheerman said that leave voters are thick and no action was taken against him
I’m sure I could find quotes from politicians of all parties that insult the electorate.
Yeah keep moving the goalposts
Tbh, Barry Sherman’s consistency voted him as an MP for 45 years, they were not distracted by these alleged hurry words, at the end of the day it’s all about the result at the ballot box
Do you have the same attitude about Brexit? Because people voted for it.
Yes, Brexit is a disaster though , made worse by the tories but don’t worry, labour will sort it, it’s what the people voted for
Ah.. Now you admit people make bad choices. So democracy and "people's choice" are all great as long as it aligns with your own views?"Brexit was 8 years ago, its undoubtedly a disaster even farage agrees, the general election was in July, the electorate has spoken , labour have a mandate, | |||
"Fourth female leader of the Conservatives, second successive leader from a minority heritage. Will Labour ever have a female leader I wonder ?
I thought the right don’t believe in quotas based on race or gender. Best person for the job and all that.
Yes. And they chose the best available candidate for the job. It goes totally against the belief that Tories are racist/sexist. They still stand by their principles of meritocracy.
Labour voters on the other hand seem to love the idea of quotas. So they are the ones who are saying one thing and doing another.
Also conservative leaders from the minorities know that the position they achieved is out of their own merit and be proud about it because they know they aren't "diversity hires".
True she used to be working class
At least she treats working class with much more respect instead of calling them illiterate people voting against "their own interests"
Which member of the government said that?
Not current. But Barry Sheerman said that leave voters are thick and no action was taken against him
I’m sure I could find quotes from politicians of all parties that insult the electorate.
Yeah keep moving the goalposts
Tbh, Barry Sherman’s consistency voted him as an MP for 45 years, they were not distracted by these alleged hurry words, at the end of the day it’s all about the result at the ballot box
Do you have the same attitude about Brexit? Because people voted for it.
Yes, Brexit is a disaster though , made worse by the tories but don’t worry, labour will sort it, it’s what the people voted for
Ah.. Now you admit people make bad choices. So democracy and "people's choice" are all great as long as it aligns with your own views?"Are you agreeing that Brexit is a ‘bad choice ‘ | |||
"Fourth female leader of the Conservatives, second successive leader from a minority heritage. Will Labour ever have a female leader I wonder ?
I thought the right don’t believe in quotas based on race or gender. Best person for the job and all that.
Yes. And they chose the best available candidate for the job. It goes totally against the belief that Tories are racist/sexist. They still stand by their principles of meritocracy.
Labour voters on the other hand seem to love the idea of quotas. So they are the ones who are saying one thing and doing another.
Also conservative leaders from the minorities know that the position they achieved is out of their own merit and be proud about it because they know they aren't "diversity hires".
True she used to be working class
At least she treats working class with much more respect instead of calling them illiterate people voting against "their own interests"
Which member of the government said that?
Not current. But Barry Sheerman said that leave voters are thick and no action was taken against him
I’m sure I could find quotes from politicians of all parties that insult the electorate.
Yeah keep moving the goalposts
I think mentioning a quote from an ex labour MP on a thread about the new leader of the opposition is certainly moving the goalposts.
We were discussing about the party and its principles. Which party is sticking to the principles they speak about? Given that majority of working class voted to leave, calling them thick doesn't really sound like a party that's pro working class, is it?"I’ve not seen any data that showed the class of those that voted in the EU referendum. I’m not sure how they could possibly produce it. Anyway this has got sod all to do with the OP. | |||
"Fourth female leader of the Conservatives, second successive leader from a minority heritage. Will Labour ever have a female leader I wonder ?
I thought the right don’t believe in quotas based on race or gender. Best person for the job and all that.
Yes. And they chose the best available candidate for the job. It goes totally against the belief that Tories are racist/sexist. They still stand by their principles of meritocracy.
Labour voters on the other hand seem to love the idea of quotas. So they are the ones who are saying one thing and doing another.
Also conservative leaders from the minorities know that the position they achieved is out of their own merit and be proud about it because they know they aren't "diversity hires".
True she used to be working class
At least she treats working class with much more respect instead of calling them illiterate people voting against "their own interests"
Which member of the government said that?
Not current. But Barry Sheerman said that leave voters are thick and no action was taken against him
I’m sure I could find quotes from politicians of all parties that insult the electorate.
Yeah keep moving the goalposts
I think mentioning a quote from an ex labour MP on a thread about the new leader of the opposition is certainly moving the goalposts.
We were discussing about the party and its principles. Which party is sticking to the principles they speak about? Given that majority of working class voted to leave, calling them thick doesn't really sound like a party that's pro working class, is it?
When did he say these ‘hurty words’ Who said anything about hurty words?
"Tbh, the only people who can judge Mr Sheerman are the electorate at the ballot box, he was a successful MP for 45 years until he retired , he won’t be distracted by people accusing him off saying ‘hurty words’ | |||
"Fourth female leader of the Conservatives, second successive leader from a minority heritage. Will Labour ever have a female leader I wonder ?
I thought the right don’t believe in quotas based on race or gender. Best person for the job and all that.
Yes. And they chose the best available candidate for the job. It goes totally against the belief that Tories are racist/sexist. They still stand by their principles of meritocracy.
Labour voters on the other hand seem to love the idea of quotas. So they are the ones who are saying one thing and doing another.
Also conservative leaders from the minorities know that the position they achieved is out of their own merit and be proud about it because they know they aren't "diversity hires".
True she used to be working class
At least she treats working class with much more respect instead of calling them illiterate people voting against "their own interests"
Which member of the government said that?
Not current. But Barry Sheerman said that leave voters are thick and no action was taken against him
I’m sure I could find quotes from politicians of all parties that insult the electorate.
Yeah keep moving the goalposts
I think mentioning a quote from an ex labour MP on a thread about the new leader of the opposition is certainly moving the goalposts.
We were discussing about the party and its principles. Which party is sticking to the principles they speak about? Given that majority of working class voted to leave, calling them thick doesn't really sound like a party that's pro working class, is it?
When did he say these ‘hurty words’ Who said anything about hurty words?
Tbh, the only people who can judge Mr Sheerman are the electorate at the ballot box, he was a successful MP for 45 years until he retired , he won’t be distracted by people accusing him off saying ‘hurty words’ "Why can't other people judge him? People sitting here are judging American politicians. Should we stop doing that? If Trump wins, will you admit that he is a good politician just because people votef for him? | |||
"Fourth female leader of the Conservatives, second successive leader from a minority heritage. Will Labour ever have a female leader I wonder ?
I thought the right don’t believe in quotas based on race or gender. Best person for the job and all that.
Yes. And they chose the best available candidate for the job. It goes totally against the belief that Tories are racist/sexist. They still stand by their principles of meritocracy.
Labour voters on the other hand seem to love the idea of quotas. So they are the ones who are saying one thing and doing another.
Also conservative leaders from the minorities know that the position they achieved is out of their own merit and be proud about it because they know they aren't "diversity hires".
True she used to be working class
At least she treats working class with much more respect instead of calling them illiterate people voting against "their own interests"
Which member of the government said that?
Not current. But Barry Sheerman said that leave voters are thick and no action was taken against him
I’m sure I could find quotes from politicians of all parties that insult the electorate.
Yeah keep moving the goalposts
I think mentioning a quote from an ex labour MP on a thread about the new leader of the opposition is certainly moving the goalposts.
We were discussing about the party and its principles. Which party is sticking to the principles they speak about? Given that majority of working class voted to leave, calling them thick doesn't really sound like a party that's pro working class, is it?
I’ve not seen any data that showed the class of those that voted in the EU referendum. I’m not sure how they could possibly produce it.
Anyway this has got sod all to do with the OP."You can search for brexit vote statistics based on social class. Working class voted for Brexit. As for sticking to the topic, you just have to scroll up to see who brought working class issues into the debate. | |||
"Fourth female leader of the Conservatives, second successive leader from a minority heritage. Will Labour ever have a female leader I wonder ?
I thought the right don’t believe in quotas based on race or gender. Best person for the job and all that.
Yes. And they chose the best available candidate for the job. It goes totally against the belief that Tories are racist/sexist. They still stand by their principles of meritocracy.
Labour voters on the other hand seem to love the idea of quotas. So they are the ones who are saying one thing and doing another.
Also conservative leaders from the minorities know that the position they achieved is out of their own merit and be proud about it because they know they aren't "diversity hires".
True she used to be working class
At least she treats working class with much more respect instead of calling them illiterate people voting against "their own interests"
Which member of the government said that?
Not current. But Barry Sheerman said that leave voters are thick and no action was taken against him
I’m sure I could find quotes from politicians of all parties that insult the electorate.
Yeah keep moving the goalposts
Tbh, Barry Sherman’s consistency voted him as an MP for 45 years, they were not distracted by these alleged hurry words, at the end of the day it’s all about the result at the ballot box
Do you have the same attitude about Brexit? Because people voted for it.
Yes, Brexit is a disaster though , made worse by the tories but don’t worry, labour will sort it, it’s what the people voted for
Ah.. Now you admit people make bad choices. So democracy and "people's choice" are all great as long as it aligns with your own views?
Are you agreeing that Brexit is a ‘bad choice ‘ "I didn't. You just called Brexit a disaster. You are also basing all your arguments on the basis of electoral outcomes. If that's the case, why do you oppose Brexit which was an electoral choice. Maybe try to be more consistent next time? | |||
"Fourth female leader of the Conservatives, second successive leader from a minority heritage. Will Labour ever have a female leader I wonder ?
I thought the right don’t believe in quotas based on race or gender. Best person for the job and all that.
Yes. And they chose the best available candidate for the job. It goes totally against the belief that Tories are racist/sexist. They still stand by their principles of meritocracy.
Labour voters on the other hand seem to love the idea of quotas. So they are the ones who are saying one thing and doing another.
Also conservative leaders from the minorities know that the position they achieved is out of their own merit and be proud about it because they know they aren't "diversity hires".
True she used to be working class
At least she treats working class with much more respect instead of calling them illiterate people voting against "their own interests"
Which member of the government said that?
Not current. But Barry Sheerman said that leave voters are thick and no action was taken against him
I’m sure I could find quotes from politicians of all parties that insult the electorate.
Yeah keep moving the goalposts
Tbh, Barry Sherman’s consistency voted him as an MP for 45 years, they were not distracted by these alleged hurry words, at the end of the day it’s all about the result at the ballot box
Do you have the same attitude about Brexit? Because people voted for it.
Yes, Brexit is a disaster though , made worse by the tories but don’t worry, labour will sort it, it’s what the people voted for
Ah.. Now you admit people make bad choices. So democracy and "people's choice" are all great as long as it aligns with your own views?
Are you agreeing that Brexit is a ‘bad choice ‘
I didn't. You just called Brexit a disaster. You are also basing all your arguments on the basis of electoral outcomes. If that's the case, why do you oppose Brexit which was an electoral choice. Maybe try to be more consistent next time?"Hello there, I am afraid you’re not living in the real world, Brexit was 8 years ago, the general elecation was in July were SKS won a huge majority thrashing all opposition . Brexit is a disaster, and I hope we make closer ties with our EU neighbour and probably rejoin within the next 10 years. As the older generation Brexit supporting generation dies (unfortunately) they will be replaced with younger voters in favour of the EU, let’s put it to the people , the people will decide | |||
"Fourth female leader of the Conservatives, second successive leader from a minority heritage. Will Labour ever have a female leader I wonder ?
I thought the right don’t believe in quotas based on race or gender. Best person for the job and all that.
Yes. And they chose the best available candidate for the job. It goes totally against the belief that Tories are racist/sexist. They still stand by their principles of meritocracy.
Labour voters on the other hand seem to love the idea of quotas. So they are the ones who are saying one thing and doing another.
Also conservative leaders from the minorities know that the position they achieved is out of their own merit and be proud about it because they know they aren't "diversity hires".
True she used to be working class
At least she treats working class with much more respect instead of calling them illiterate people voting against "their own interests"
Which member of the government said that?
Not current. But Barry Sheerman said that leave voters are thick and no action was taken against him
I’m sure I could find quotes from politicians of all parties that insult the electorate.
Yeah keep moving the goalposts
Tbh, Barry Sherman’s consistency voted him as an MP for 45 years, they were not distracted by these alleged hurry words, at the end of the day it’s all about the result at the ballot box
Do you have the same attitude about Brexit? Because people voted for it.
Yes, Brexit is a disaster though , made worse by the tories but don’t worry, labour will sort it, it’s what the people voted for
Ah.. Now you admit people make bad choices. So democracy and "people's choice" are all great as long as it aligns with your own views?
Are you agreeing that Brexit is a ‘bad choice ‘
I didn't. You just called Brexit a disaster. You are also basing all your arguments on the basis of electoral outcomes. If that's the case, why do you oppose Brexit which was an electoral choice. Maybe try to be more consistent next time?
Hello there, I am afraid you’re not living in the real world, Brexit was 8 years ago, the general elecation was in July were SKS won a huge majority thrashing all opposition . Brexit is a disaster, and I hope we make closer ties with our EU neighbour and probably rejoin within the next 10 years. As the older generation Brexit supporting generation dies (unfortunately) they will be replaced with younger voters in favour of the EU, let’s put it to the people , the people will decide "No one gives a fuck about all that. For all the above points I made, your response was that people have voted for Labour and that's all that matters. If vote is all that matters, why don't you accept all the election outcomes as good? | |||
| |||
"Fourth female leader of the Conservatives, second successive leader from a minority heritage. Will Labour ever have a female leader I wonder ?
I thought the right don’t believe in quotas based on race or gender. Best person for the job and all that.
Yes. And they chose the best available candidate for the job. It goes totally against the belief that Tories are racist/sexist. They still stand by their principles of meritocracy.
Labour voters on the other hand seem to love the idea of quotas. So they are the ones who are saying one thing and doing another.
Also conservative leaders from the minorities know that the position they achieved is out of their own merit and be proud about it because they know they aren't "diversity hires".
True she used to be working class
At least she treats working class with much more respect instead of calling them illiterate people voting against "their own interests"
Which member of the government said that?
Not current. But Barry Sheerman said that leave voters are thick and no action was taken against him
I’m sure I could find quotes from politicians of all parties that insult the electorate.
Yeah keep moving the goalposts
Tbh, Barry Sherman’s consistency voted him as an MP for 45 years, they were not distracted by these alleged hurry words, at the end of the day it’s all about the result at the ballot box
Do you have the same attitude about Brexit? Because people voted for it.
Yes, Brexit is a disaster though , made worse by the tories but don’t worry, labour will sort it, it’s what the people voted for
Ah.. Now you admit people make bad choices. So democracy and "people's choice" are all great as long as it aligns with your own views?
Are you agreeing that Brexit is a ‘bad choice ‘
I didn't. You just called Brexit a disaster. You are also basing all your arguments on the basis of electoral outcomes. If that's the case, why do you oppose Brexit which was an electoral choice. Maybe try to be more consistent next time?
Hello there, I am afraid you’re not living in the real world, Brexit was 8 years ago, the general elecation was in July were SKS won a huge majority thrashing all opposition . Brexit is a disaster, and I hope we make closer ties with our EU neighbour and probably rejoin within the next 10 years. As the older generation Brexit supporting generation dies (unfortunately) they will be replaced with younger voters in favour of the EU, let’s put it to the people , the people will decide
No one gives a fuck about all that. For all the above points I made, your response was that people have voted for Labour and that's all that matters. If vote is all that matters, why don't you accept all the election outcomes as good? "Hello there, you seem a bit techy? Anyway, labour don’t care about Kemi, they are too busy delivering for the people who elected them. After winning a huge majority they have a mandate to deliver, a few disgruntled posters on here are irrelevant to them, it comes accross as jealousy | |||
"Fourth female leader of the Conservatives, second successive leader from a minority heritage. Will Labour ever have a female leader I wonder ?
I thought the right don’t believe in quotas based on race or gender. Best person for the job and all that.
Yes. And they chose the best available candidate for the job. It goes totally against the belief that Tories are racist/sexist. They still stand by their principles of meritocracy.
Labour voters on the other hand seem to love the idea of quotas. So they are the ones who are saying one thing and doing another.
Also conservative leaders from the minorities know that the position they achieved is out of their own merit and be proud about it because they know they aren't "diversity hires".
True she used to be working class
At least she treats working class with much more respect instead of calling them illiterate people voting against "their own interests"
Which member of the government said that?
Not current. But Barry Sheerman said that leave voters are thick and no action was taken against him
I’m sure I could find quotes from politicians of all parties that insult the electorate.
Yeah keep moving the goalposts
Tbh, Barry Sherman’s consistency voted him as an MP for 45 years, they were not distracted by these alleged hurry words, at the end of the day it’s all about the result at the ballot box
Do you have the same attitude about Brexit? Because people voted for it.
Yes, Brexit is a disaster though , made worse by the tories but don’t worry, labour will sort it, it’s what the people voted for
Ah.. Now you admit people make bad choices. So democracy and "people's choice" are all great as long as it aligns with your own views?
Are you agreeing that Brexit is a ‘bad choice ‘
I didn't. You just called Brexit a disaster. You are also basing all your arguments on the basis of electoral outcomes. If that's the case, why do you oppose Brexit which was an electoral choice. Maybe try to be more consistent next time?
Hello there, I am afraid you’re not living in the real world, Brexit was 8 years ago, the general elecation was in July were SKS won a huge majority thrashing all opposition . Brexit is a disaster, and I hope we make closer ties with our EU neighbour and probably rejoin within the next 10 years. As the older generation Brexit supporting generation dies (unfortunately) they will be replaced with younger voters in favour of the EU, let’s put it to the people , the people will decide
No one gives a fuck about all that. For all the above points I made, your response was that people have voted for Labour and that's all that matters. If vote is all that matters, why don't you accept all the election outcomes as good?
Hello there, you seem a bit techy? Anyway, labour don’t care about Kemi, they are too busy delivering for the people who elected them. After winning a huge majority they have a mandate to deliver, a few disgruntled posters on here are irrelevant to them, it comes accross as jealousy " It looks like you went full circle to the opposition half trying to move the goal posts. How does any of what you say relate to what we have been debating so far? | |||
"Fourth female leader of the Conservatives, second successive leader from a minority heritage. Will Labour ever have a female leader I wonder ?
I thought the right don’t believe in quotas based on race or gender. Best person for the job and all that.
Yes. And they chose the best available candidate for the job. It goes totally against the belief that Tories are racist/sexist. They still stand by their principles of meritocracy.
Labour voters on the other hand seem to love the idea of quotas. So they are the ones who are saying one thing and doing another.
Also conservative leaders from the minorities know that the position they achieved is out of their own merit and be proud about it because they know they aren't "diversity hires".
True she used to be working class
At least she treats working class with much more respect instead of calling them illiterate people voting against "their own interests"
Which member of the government said that?
Not current. But Barry Sheerman said that leave voters are thick and no action was taken against him
I’m sure I could find quotes from politicians of all parties that insult the electorate.
Yeah keep moving the goalposts
Tbh, Barry Sherman’s consistency voted him as an MP for 45 years, they were not distracted by these alleged hurry words, at the end of the day it’s all about the result at the ballot box
Do you have the same attitude about Brexit? Because people voted for it.
Yes, Brexit is a disaster though , made worse by the tories but don’t worry, labour will sort it, it’s what the people voted for
Ah.. Now you admit people make bad choices. So democracy and "people's choice" are all great as long as it aligns with your own views?
Are you agreeing that Brexit is a ‘bad choice ‘
I didn't. You just called Brexit a disaster. You are also basing all your arguments on the basis of electoral outcomes. If that's the case, why do you oppose Brexit which was an electoral choice. Maybe try to be more consistent next time?
Hello there, I am afraid you’re not living in the real world, Brexit was 8 years ago, the general elecation was in July were SKS won a huge majority thrashing all opposition . Brexit is a disaster, and I hope we make closer ties with our EU neighbour and probably rejoin within the next 10 years. As the older generation Brexit supporting generation dies (unfortunately) they will be replaced with younger voters in favour of the EU, let’s put it to the people , the people will decide
No one gives a fuck about all that. For all the above points I made, your response was that people have voted for Labour and that's all that matters. If vote is all that matters, why don't you accept all the election outcomes as good?
Hello there, you seem a bit techy? Anyway, labour don’t care about Kemi, they are too busy delivering for the people who elected them. After winning a huge majority they have a mandate to deliver, a few disgruntled posters on here are irrelevant to them, it comes accross as jealousy
It looks like you went full circle to the opposition half trying to move the goal posts. How does any of what you say relate to what we have been debating so far?"Hello there, get behind labour snd SKS they are in government, it’s the will of the people , unfortunately your side lost, you might have to get over it | |||
"Fourth female leader of the Conservatives, second successive leader from a minority heritage. Will Labour ever have a female leader I wonder ?
I thought the right don’t believe in quotas based on race or gender. Best person for the job and all that.
Yes. And they chose the best available candidate for the job. It goes totally against the belief that Tories are racist/sexist. They still stand by their principles of meritocracy.
Labour voters on the other hand seem to love the idea of quotas. So they are the ones who are saying one thing and doing another.
Also conservative leaders from the minorities know that the position they achieved is out of their own merit and be proud about it because they know they aren't "diversity hires".
True she used to be working class
At least she treats working class with much more respect instead of calling them illiterate people voting against "their own interests"
Which member of the government said that?
Not current. But Barry Sheerman said that leave voters are thick and no action was taken against him
I’m sure I could find quotes from politicians of all parties that insult the electorate.
Yeah keep moving the goalposts
Tbh, Barry Sherman’s consistency voted him as an MP for 45 years, they were not distracted by these alleged hurry words, at the end of the day it’s all about the result at the ballot box
Do you have the same attitude about Brexit? Because people voted for it.
Yes, Brexit is a disaster though , made worse by the tories but don’t worry, labour will sort it, it’s what the people voted for
Ah.. Now you admit people make bad choices. So democracy and "people's choice" are all great as long as it aligns with your own views?
Are you agreeing that Brexit is a ‘bad choice ‘
I didn't. You just called Brexit a disaster. You are also basing all your arguments on the basis of electoral outcomes. If that's the case, why do you oppose Brexit which was an electoral choice. Maybe try to be more consistent next time?
Hello there, I am afraid you’re not living in the real world, Brexit was 8 years ago, the general elecation was in July were SKS won a huge majority thrashing all opposition . Brexit is a disaster, and I hope we make closer ties with our EU neighbour and probably rejoin within the next 10 years. As the older generation Brexit supporting generation dies (unfortunately) they will be replaced with younger voters in favour of the EU, let’s put it to the people , the people will decide
No one gives a fuck about all that. For all the above points I made, your response was that people have voted for Labour and that's all that matters. If vote is all that matters, why don't you accept all the election outcomes as good?
Hello there, you seem a bit techy? Anyway, labour don’t care about Kemi, they are too busy delivering for the people who elected them. After winning a huge majority they have a mandate to deliver, a few disgruntled posters on here are irrelevant to them, it comes accross as jealousy
It looks like you went full circle to the opposition half trying to move the goal posts. How does any of what you say relate to what we have been debating so far?
Hello there, get behind labour snd SKS they are in government, it’s the will of the people , unfortunately your side lost, you might have to get over it "Hello there, I don't have to get behind any politician. Please keep your Soviet style propaganda to yourself. If the will of the people is all that matters, I hope you get behind Brexit as well. If not, you have to explain why "will of the people" matters in one case but not others. | |||
"Fourth female leader of the Conservatives, second successive leader from a minority heritage. Will Labour ever have a female leader I wonder ?
I thought the right don’t believe in quotas based on race or gender. Best person for the job and all that.
Yes. And they chose the best available candidate for the job. It goes totally against the belief that Tories are racist/sexist. They still stand by their principles of meritocracy.
Labour voters on the other hand seem to love the idea of quotas. So they are the ones who are saying one thing and doing another.
Also conservative leaders from the minorities know that the position they achieved is out of their own merit and be proud about it because they know they aren't "diversity hires".
True she used to be working class
At least she treats working class with much more respect instead of calling them illiterate people voting against "their own interests"
Which member of the government said that?
Not current. But Barry Sheerman said that leave voters are thick and no action was taken against him
I’m sure I could find quotes from politicians of all parties that insult the electorate.
Yeah keep moving the goalposts
Tbh, Barry Sherman’s consistency voted him as an MP for 45 years, they were not distracted by these alleged hurry words, at the end of the day it’s all about the result at the ballot box
Do you have the same attitude about Brexit? Because people voted for it.
Yes, Brexit is a disaster though , made worse by the tories but don’t worry, labour will sort it, it’s what the people voted for
Ah.. Now you admit people make bad choices. So democracy and "people's choice" are all great as long as it aligns with your own views?
Are you agreeing that Brexit is a ‘bad choice ‘
I didn't. You just called Brexit a disaster. You are also basing all your arguments on the basis of electoral outcomes. If that's the case, why do you oppose Brexit which was an electoral choice. Maybe try to be more consistent next time?
Hello there, I am afraid you’re not living in the real world, Brexit was 8 years ago, the general elecation was in July were SKS won a huge majority thrashing all opposition . Brexit is a disaster, and I hope we make closer ties with our EU neighbour and probably rejoin within the next 10 years. As the older generation Brexit supporting generation dies (unfortunately) they will be replaced with younger voters in favour of the EU, let’s put it to the people , the people will decide
No one gives a fuck about all that. For all the above points I made, your response was that people have voted for Labour and that's all that matters. If vote is all that matters, why don't you accept all the election outcomes as good?
Hello there, you seem a bit techy? Anyway, labour don’t care about Kemi, they are too busy delivering for the people who elected them. After winning a huge majority they have a mandate to deliver, a few disgruntled posters on here are irrelevant to them, it comes accross as jealousy
It looks like you went full circle to the opposition half trying to move the goal posts. How does any of what you say relate to what we have been debating so far?
Hello there, get behind labour snd SKS they are in government, it’s the will of the people , unfortunately your side lost, you might have to get over it
Hello there, I don't have to get behind any politician. Please keep your Soviet style propaganda to yourself. If the will of the people is all that matters, I hope you get behind Brexit as well. If not, you have to explain why "will of the people" matters in one case but not others."Hello there, this is the UK not the Soviet Union, Brexit was 8 years ago, it’s been a disaster, the tories made a hash of it , labour will rectify this disaster by closer links to the EU or rejoining in the future. I am afraid your not living in the real world if you think a vote 8 years ago that is a proven disaster is still the will of the people, things change . It’s unfortunate that your side lost the election but there is an old saying ‘you lost , get over it’ | |||
" Hello there, this is the UK not the Soviet Union, Brexit was 8 years ago, it’s been a disaster, the tories made a hash of it , labour will rectify this disaster by closer links to the EU or rejoining in the future. I am afraid your not living in the real world if you think a vote 8 years ago that is a proven disaster is still the will of the people, things change . It’s unfortunate that your side lost the election but there is an old saying ‘you lost , get over it’ " Hello there, it looks like you have completely lost track of what we have been arguing
Anyway I will remind you. We were talking about Labour MP calling Brexit voters, who were predominantly working class as "thick". Your answer was that it doesn't matter because he won the election. So I asked you that if election results are always right, will you accept Brexit? Will you say Trump is good if he wins? When I asked these questions, you started repeating the same thing like a parrot "Labour won the election. Get behind". It doesn't make any sense in the context of what we are discussing. | |||
" Hello there, this is the UK not the Soviet Union, Brexit was 8 years ago, it’s been a disaster, the tories made a hash of it , labour will rectify this disaster by closer links to the EU or rejoining in the future. I am afraid your not living in the real world if you think a vote 8 years ago that is a proven disaster is still the will of the people, things change . It’s unfortunate that your side lost the election but there is an old saying ‘you lost , get over it’ Hello there, it looks like you have completely lost track of what we have been arguing
Anyway I will remind you. We were talking about Labour MP calling Brexit voters, who were predominantly working class as "thick". Your answer was that it doesn't matter because he won the election. So I asked you that if election results are always right, will you accept Brexit? Will you say Trump is good if he wins? When I asked these questions, you started repeating the same thing like a parrot "Labour won the election. Get behind". It doesn't make any sense in the context of what we are discussing."Hello there, don’t worry about Brexit, labour will sort out that disaster, let’s get back to the op, Kemi, unfortunately she just isn’t up to the job, she is arrogant and in my opinion incompetent and can’t possibly compete with SKS who is a states man and has just won a huge majority at the last election. The tories should have gone for Cleverely , a far better choice | |||
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"I’m guessing Badenoch will do okay. I don’t think she needs to be that great, just fairly competent. She speaks her mind and seems to have some nuts. We have a Labour government that is inexperienced, incompetent, ideologically driven, and has an unpopular and weak leader. Labour seem to be out of their depth, the front bench is entirely staffed by people with no real world experience, and who come across as miserable robots who can’t communicate any kind of coherent plan or make any connection with the electorate. The Tories have done nothing for four months and already the latest polling has them ahead. Starmer’s popularity is down 49 points since the election. In no time at all Labour will be back skimming the electorate for more cash. Should be an open goal for any mildly competent opposition leader." Good point. What about Labour! | |||
"I’m guessing Badenoch will do okay. I don’t think she needs to be that great, just fairly competent. She speaks her mind and seems to have some nuts. We have a Labour government that is inexperienced, incompetent, ideologically driven, and has an unpopular and weak leader. Labour seem to be out of their depth, the front bench is entirely staffed by people with no real world experience, and who come across as miserable robots who can’t communicate any kind of coherent plan or make any connection with the electorate. The Tories have done nothing for four months and already the latest polling has them ahead. Starmer’s popularity is down 49 points since the election. In no time at all Labour will be back skimming the electorate for more cash. Should be an open goal for any mildly competent opposition leader." Hello there, labour have just won an election with a huge majority, they won’t be worried about a few irrelevant opinion polls, they have at least 5 years in government | |||
"I’m guessing Badenoch will do okay. I don’t think she needs to be that great, just fairly competent. She speaks her mind and seems to have some nuts. We have a Labour government that is inexperienced, incompetent, ideologically driven, and has an unpopular and weak leader. Labour seem to be out of their depth, the front bench is entirely staffed by people with no real world experience, and who come across as miserable robots who can’t communicate any kind of coherent plan or make any connection with the electorate. The Tories have done nothing for four months and already the latest polling has them ahead. Starmer’s popularity is down 49 points since the election. In no time at all Labour will be back skimming the electorate for more cash. Should be an open goal for any mildly competent opposition leader. Hello there, labour have just won an election with a huge majority, they won’t be worried about a few irrelevant opinion polls, they have at least 5 years in government " I’m not sure cutting and pasting the same post every time really adds very much. | |||
"I’m guessing Badenoch will do okay. I don’t think she needs to be that great, just fairly competent. She speaks her mind and seems to have some nuts. We have a Labour government that is inexperienced, incompetent, ideologically driven, and has an unpopular and weak leader. Labour seem to be out of their depth, the front bench is entirely staffed by people with no real world experience, and who come across as miserable robots who can’t communicate any kind of coherent plan or make any connection with the electorate. The Tories have done nothing for four months and already the latest polling has them ahead. Starmer’s popularity is down 49 points since the election. In no time at all Labour will be back skimming the electorate for more cash. Should be an open goal for any mildly competent opposition leader. Hello there, labour have just won an election with a huge majority, they won’t be worried about a few irrelevant opinion polls, they have at least 5 years in government I’m not sure cutting and pasting the same post every time really adds very much. " I am afraid it needs saying, you obviously don’t live in the real world or understand how governments are elected, opinions polls down win elections, votes do and labour have a huge majority | |||
" Hello there, this is the UK not the Soviet Union, Brexit was 8 years ago, it’s been a disaster, the tories made a hash of it , labour will rectify this disaster by closer links to the EU or rejoining in the future. I am afraid your not living in the real world if you think a vote 8 years ago that is a proven disaster is still the will of the people, things change . It’s unfortunate that your side lost the election but there is an old saying ‘you lost , get over it’ Hello there, it looks like you have completely lost track of what we have been arguing
Anyway I will remind you. We were talking about Labour MP calling Brexit voters, who were predominantly working class as "thick". Your answer was that it doesn't matter because he won the election. So I asked you that if election results are always right, will you accept Brexit? Will you say Trump is good if he wins? When I asked these questions, you started repeating the same thing like a parrot "Labour won the election. Get behind". It doesn't make any sense in the context of what we are discussing.
Hello there, don’t worry about Brexit, labour will sort out that disaster, let’s get back to the op, Kemi, unfortunately she just isn’t up to the job, she is arrogant and in my opinion incompetent and can’t possibly compete with SKS who is a states man and has just won a huge majority at the last election. The tories should have gone for Cleverely , a far better choice "Again moving goal posts I see. Carry on | |||
" Hello there, this is the UK not the Soviet Union, Brexit was 8 years ago, it’s been a disaster, the tories made a hash of it , labour will rectify this disaster by closer links to the EU or rejoining in the future. I am afraid your not living in the real world if you think a vote 8 years ago that is a proven disaster is still the will of the people, things change . It’s unfortunate that your side lost the election but there is an old saying ‘you lost , get over it’ Hello there, it looks like you have completely lost track of what we have been arguing
Anyway I will remind you. We were talking about Labour MP calling Brexit voters, who were predominantly working class as "thick". Your answer was that it doesn't matter because he won the election. So I asked you that if election results are always right, will you accept Brexit? Will you say Trump is good if he wins? When I asked these questions, you started repeating the same thing like a parrot "Labour won the election. Get behind". It doesn't make any sense in the context of what we are discussing.
Hello there, don’t worry about Brexit, labour will sort out that disaster, let’s get back to the op, Kemi, unfortunately she just isn’t up to the job, she is arrogant and in my opinion incompetent and can’t possibly compete with SKS who is a states man and has just won a huge majority at the last election. The tories should have gone for Cleverely , a far better choice
Again moving goal posts I see. Carry on "Why don’t you try and comment on the OP, it is after all about the new Tory leader | |||
" Hello there, this is the UK not the Soviet Union, Brexit was 8 years ago, it’s been a disaster, the tories made a hash of it , labour will rectify this disaster by closer links to the EU or rejoining in the future. I am afraid your not living in the real world if you think a vote 8 years ago that is a proven disaster is still the will of the people, things change . It’s unfortunate that your side lost the election but there is an old saying ‘you lost , get over it’ Hello there, it looks like you have completely lost track of what we have been arguing
Anyway I will remind you. We were talking about Labour MP calling Brexit voters, who were predominantly working class as "thick". Your answer was that it doesn't matter because he won the election. So I asked you that if election results are always right, will you accept Brexit? Will you say Trump is good if he wins? When I asked these questions, you started repeating the same thing like a parrot "Labour won the election. Get behind". It doesn't make any sense in the context of what we are discussing.
Hello there, don’t worry about Brexit, labour will sort out that disaster, let’s get back to the op, Kemi, unfortunately she just isn’t up to the job, she is arrogant and in my opinion incompetent and can’t possibly compete with SKS who is a states man and has just won a huge majority at the last election. The tories should have gone for Cleverely , a far better choice
Again moving goal posts I see. Carry on
Why don’t you try and comment on the OP, it is after all about the new Tory leader "I was commenting on the OP. You and the other person were the ones who took started talking about "working class" and I responded to it. Now that you don't have any answers other than repeating the same line, you want to go back to the topic? | |||
" Hello there, this is the UK not the Soviet Union, Brexit was 8 years ago, it’s been a disaster, the tories made a hash of it , labour will rectify this disaster by closer links to the EU or rejoining in the future. I am afraid your not living in the real world if you think a vote 8 years ago that is a proven disaster is still the will of the people, things change . It’s unfortunate that your side lost the election but there is an old saying ‘you lost , get over it’ Hello there, it looks like you have completely lost track of what we have been arguing
Anyway I will remind you. We were talking about Labour MP calling Brexit voters, who were predominantly working class as "thick". Your answer was that it doesn't matter because he won the election. So I asked you that if election results are always right, will you accept Brexit? Will you say Trump is good if he wins? When I asked these questions, you started repeating the same thing like a parrot "Labour won the election. Get behind". It doesn't make any sense in the context of what we are discussing.
Hello there, don’t worry about Brexit, labour will sort out that disaster, let’s get back to the op, Kemi, unfortunately she just isn’t up to the job, she is arrogant and in my opinion incompetent and can’t possibly compete with SKS who is a states man and has just won a huge majority at the last election. The tories should have gone for Cleverely , a far better choice
Again moving goal posts I see. Carry on
Why don’t you try and comment on the OP, it is after all about the new Tory leader
I was commenting on the OP. You and the other person were the ones who took started talking about "working class" and I responded to it. Now that you don't have any answers other than repeating the same line, you want to go back to the topic?"Back to the op, kemi is no match for the statesman SKS, | |||
"I’m guessing Badenoch will do okay. I don’t think she needs to be that great, just fairly competent. She speaks her mind and seems to have some nuts. We have a Labour government that is inexperienced, incompetent, ideologically driven, and has an unpopular and weak leader. Labour seem to be out of their depth, the front bench is entirely staffed by people with no real world experience, and who come across as miserable robots who can’t communicate any kind of coherent plan or make any connection with the electorate. The Tories have done nothing for four months and already the latest polling has them ahead. Starmer’s popularity is down 49 points since the election. In no time at all Labour will be back skimming the electorate for more cash. Should be an open goal for any mildly competent opposition leader. Hello there, labour have just won an election with a huge majority, they won’t be worried about a few irrelevant opinion polls, they have at least 5 years in government I’m not sure cutting and pasting the same post every time really adds very much. I am afraid it needs saying, you obviously don’t live in the real world or understand how governments are elected, opinions polls down win elections, votes do and labour have a huge majority " As a Labour supporter why do you think Labour and its leader have become so unpopular so quickly? I’d be interested to hear your analysis. Assuming no sudden collapse, Labour obviously has time to turn things around but: 1. It needs to come up with some policies that have a wider appeal to the country at large and aren’t just aimed at Labour’s core voters. 2. It’s going to have to change its leader at some point. He isn’t up to the job, and neither are most of his front bench. Problem is these are the best they’ve got. They’ve had an easy ride so far but Badenoch is tough, she will rip Starmer to shreds and he can’t take any criticism from people he thinks are his inferiors (ie everybody). For a barrister he is very slow witted. He’s just used to the ponderous rarefied atmosphere of the court and his management office. He is very thin skinned and has no sense of humour. He’ll just stand there seething. | |||
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" Hello there, this is the UK not the Soviet Union, Brexit was 8 years ago, it’s been a disaster, the tories made a hash of it , labour will rectify this disaster by closer links to the EU or rejoining in the future. I am afraid your not living in the real world if you think a vote 8 years ago that is a proven disaster is still the will of the people, things change . It’s unfortunate that your side lost the election but there is an old saying ‘you lost , get over it’ Hello there, it looks like you have completely lost track of what we have been arguing
Anyway I will remind you. We were talking about Labour MP calling Brexit voters, who were predominantly working class as "thick". Your answer was that it doesn't matter because he won the election. So I asked you that if election results are always right, will you accept Brexit? Will you say Trump is good if he wins? When I asked these questions, you started repeating the same thing like a parrot "Labour won the election. Get behind". It doesn't make any sense in the context of what we are discussing.
Hello there, don’t worry about Brexit, labour will sort out that disaster, let’s get back to the op, Kemi, unfortunately she just isn’t up to the job, she is arrogant and in my opinion incompetent and can’t possibly compete with SKS who is a states man and has just won a huge majority at the last election. The tories should have gone for Cleverely , a far better choice
Again moving goal posts I see. Carry on
Why don’t you try and comment on the OP, it is after all about the new Tory leader
I was commenting on the OP. You and the other person were the ones who took started talking about "working class" and I responded to it. Now that you don't have any answers other than repeating the same line, you want to go back to the topic?
Back to the op, kemi is no match for the statesman SKS, "Free the sausages  | |||
"Dawn Butler apparently shared a tweet that said, Kemi is a blackface for white supremacy. Labour, the party of anti-racism
"Dawn Butler wears 🤡 face. | |||
"I’m guessing Badenoch will do okay. I don’t think she needs to be that great, just fairly competent. She speaks her mind and seems to have some nuts. We have a Labour government that is inexperienced, incompetent, ideologically driven, and has an unpopular and weak leader. Labour seem to be out of their depth, the front bench is entirely staffed by people with no real world experience, and who come across as miserable robots who can’t communicate any kind of coherent plan or make any connection with the electorate. The Tories have done nothing for four months and already the latest polling has them ahead. Starmer’s popularity is down 49 points since the election. In no time at all Labour will be back skimming the electorate for more cash. Should be an open goal for any mildly competent opposition leader. Hello there, labour have just won an election with a huge majority, they won’t be worried about a few irrelevant opinion polls, they have at least 5 years in government I’m not sure cutting and pasting the same post every time really adds very much. I am afraid it needs saying, you obviously don’t live in the real world or understand how governments are elected, opinions polls down win elections, votes do and labour have a huge majority As a Labour supporter why do you think Labour and its leader have become so unpopular so quickly? I’d be interested to hear your analysis. Assuming no sudden collapse, Labour obviously has time to turn things around but: 1. It needs to come up with some policies that have a wider appeal to the country at large and aren’t just aimed at Labour’s core voters. 2. It’s going to have to change its leader at some point. He isn’t up to the job, and neither are most of his front bench. Problem is these are the best they’ve got. They’ve had an easy ride so far but Badenoch is tough, she will rip Starmer to shreds and he can’t take any criticism from people he thinks are his inferiors (ie everybody). For a barrister he is very slow witted. He’s just used to the ponderous rarefied atmosphere of the court and his management office. He is very thin skinned and has no sense of humour. He’ll just stand there seething." Only 120,000 people watch PMQs, it is irrelevant, opinion polls 5 years before the next GE are also irrelevant. SKS is the best man for the job, he won a huge majority at the election, he has a very difficult job to do and a few bitter , disgruntled people won’t bother him. He will be judged by the electorate at an election, that is all that matters | |||
"Dawn Butler apparently shared a tweet that said, Kemi is a blackface for white supremacy. Labour, the party of anti-racism
"Apparently ? If true that is deeply inappropriate but Kemi is pro free speech , I am sure she isn’t a snowflake | |||
"Dawn Butler apparently shared a tweet that said, Kemi is a blackface for white supremacy. Labour, the party of anti-racism
Apparently ? If true that is deeply inappropriate but Kemi is pro free speech , I am sure she isn’t a snowflake "It's true. To repeat the old argument I made, we need to look at the principles of both the parties. Kemi most probably wouldn't even react to it. Even if she did, she would point out the stupidity of the post. Wouldn't ask for Dawn to be arrested because she is pro-free speech. But Labour's supposed principles on the other hand... Will they stick to them? Or will they invent a special reason why this far-right racist tweet is fine? | |||
"Dawn Butler apparently shared a tweet that said, Kemi is a blackface for white supremacy. Labour, the party of anti-racism
Apparently ? If true that is deeply inappropriate but Kemi is pro free speech , I am sure she isn’t a snowflake
It's true. To repeat the old argument I made, we need to look at the principles of both the parties. Kemi most probably wouldn't even react to it. Even if she did, she would point out the stupidity of the post. Wouldn't ask for Dawn to be arrested because she is pro-free speech.
But Labour's supposed principles on the other hand... Will they stick to them? Or will they invent a special reason why this far-right racist tweet is fine?"If Kemi is offended by it then she should apologies, if not you are just virtue signaling | |||
"Only 120,000 people watch PMQs ..." But millions of people watch the various news programmes, and the best bits of PMQs get shown on the news. If Kemi regularly embarrasses Starmer at PMQs, that's what people will see, and Labour will soon be looking for someone that can handle the questions better. | |||
"Only 120,000 people watch PMQs ... But millions of people watch the various news programmes, and the best bits of PMQs get shown on the news. If Kemi regularly embarrasses Starmer at PMQs, that's what people will see, and Labour will soon be looking for someone that can handle the questions better." William Hague was brilliant at PMQs, he didn’t last long as leader as the opposition, to the vast majority how you perform at PMQs is irrelevant . | |||
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"Good luck to her I say. We should be proud that a first generation immigrant can rise to leader of a major political party and possibly become PM. It says a lot about British acceptance and fairness imo. That aside, she urgently needs to unify the Tory party and stop the insane in-fighting. If she can do that, and Labour screw-up (high probability), she'll likely be our future PM." She could have been our current PM if she had crossed sides to the labour party a couple of years ago. Labour needs a non white female figurehead. They are falling behind in the 'Firsts' league. It could have been a smart career move for a go getter. | |||
"Good luck to her I say. We should be proud that a first generation immigrant can rise to leader of a major political party and possibly become PM. It says a lot about British acceptance and fairness imo. That aside, she urgently needs to unify the Tory party and stop the insane in-fighting. If she can do that, and Labour screw-up (high probability), she'll likely be our future PM. She could have been our current PM if she had crossed sides to the labour party a couple of years ago. Labour needs a non white female figurehead. They are falling behind in the 'Firsts' league. It could have been a smart career move for a go getter. " labour will do what they always do for a leader a middle aged white male who will do what he is told | |||
