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The latest Opinium poll reveals that Starmer’s approval rating has plunged below that of the Tory leader Rishi Sunak, suffering a huge 45-point drop since July. While only 24% of voters approve of the job he is doing, 50% disapprove, giving him a net rating of -26.
Rachel Reeves after personally claiming £3700 in energy costs for her second home, has cut winter fuel payments for all but the poorest pensioners and promised tough decisions on welfare and tax in the forthcoming budget, has seen a 36 point drop in her net approval since July.
The deputy prime minister Angela Rayner accused of tax avoidance in her second home currently 23 points down since July.
Two months of flat line economic growth and falling business investment
Poor show and in only eleven weeks, they have had no new big problems come their way yet.
The budget looking likely the death knell for Labour
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Poor show and in only eleven weeks, they have had no new big problems come their way yet.
The budget looking likely the death knell for Labour
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It's completely irrelevant.
A bit like house or share prices a month after you buy (a house or shares). The only price that matters is the one when you want to buy or sell (or remortgage/finance). Or in the case of government approval (market value, some might say) an election. Arguably, by setting the bar low now, things will be easier in 4.5 years...
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Has anyone’s ‘approval rating’ ever not declined once they get in.
It’s a fairly much given that those in government aren’t popular.
Not a supporter or otherwise of the current lot but as pointed out above, until it comes time to put an X in the box it’s not overly relevant to the public, more so for individuals in government who could find themselves ‘moved’ to other duties. |
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By *otMe66Man 8 weeks ago
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"Has anyone’s ‘approval rating’ ever not declined once they get in.
It’s a fairly much given that those in government aren’t popular.
Not a supporter or otherwise of the current lot but as pointed out above, until it comes time to put an X in the box it’s not overly relevant to the public, more so for individuals in government who could find themselves ‘moved’ to other duties. "
The ratings don’t tend to drop so rapidly, the WFA cuts are the driving force and everything he does now will be compared to that, which he can’t back track from now.
It was a very poorly informed decision that will cost him the leadership, is how I see it. |
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I don't know when people will realise that none of the politicians can solve most of the problems in the country. NHS, policing, pensions, unemployment benefits, etc. are all becoming unsustainable with an ageing population and more people of working age avoiding work.
So it's only a question of which welfare systems will break down first. Pensioner votes usually go to Tories. So it was natural for Labour to go after the pensions first. If it's the Tories, they would go after the unemployment benefits.
It's useless to depend on politicians for the economic issues at this point. Reality is a tough pill to swallow. |
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Given the shit show of the previous few Conservative governments then it should have been elementary to just not make the same basic mistakes. Almost all the issues facing Labour are self inflicted.
At the start of the summer I thought they were on course to keep the Tories out for a generation - somehow they are managing to miss all the open goals and, even more amusingly, scoring in their own. |
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By *otMe66Man 8 weeks ago
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"Impatient lot. Do your moaning next year, or after the budget. 11 weeks they've been in govt of which most was during parliament recess dates."
Are you pleased with their decision making and direction of travel in this short time?
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"Impatient lot. Do your moaning next year, or after the budget. 11 weeks they've been in govt of which most was during parliament recess dates.
Are you pleased with their decision making and direction of travel in this short time?
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So you think I have a contradictory measurement to what I'm asking from you lot. Nope. I'll wait. |
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"Impatient lot. Do your moaning next year, or after the budget. 11 weeks they've been in govt of which most was during parliament recess dates.
Are you pleased with their decision making and direction of travel in this short time?
So you think I have a contradictory measurement to what I'm asking from you lot. Nope. I'll wait."
It is possible to answer the question thus far... |
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By *otMe66Man 8 weeks ago
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"Impatient lot. Do your moaning next year, or after the budget. 11 weeks they've been in govt of which most was during parliament recess dates.
Are you pleased with their decision making and direction of travel in this short time?
So you think I have a contradictory measurement to what I'm asking from you lot. Nope. I'll wait."
you are asking people not to have an opinion until you say it is okay to have one? |
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"Impatient lot. Do your moaning next year, or after the budget. 11 weeks they've been in govt of which most was during parliament recess dates.
Are you pleased with their decision making and direction of travel in this short time?
So you think I have a contradictory measurement to what I'm asking from you lot. Nope. I'll wait.
It is possible to answer the question thus far..."
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"Impatient lot. Do your moaning next year, or after the budget. 11 weeks they've been in govt of which most was during parliament recess dates.
Are you pleased with their decision making and direction of travel in this short time?
So you think I have a contradictory measurement to what I'm asking from you lot. Nope. I'll wait.
you are asking people not to have an opinion until you say it is okay to have one? "
Don't put words in my mouth. I'm telling people to stop moaning. |
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By *otMe66Man 8 weeks ago
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"Impatient lot. Do your moaning next year, or after the budget. 11 weeks they've been in govt of which most was during parliament recess dates.
Are you pleased with their decision making and direction of travel in this short time?
So you think I have a contradictory measurement to what I'm asking from you lot. Nope. I'll wait.
you are asking people not to have an opinion until you say it is okay to have one?
Don't put words in my mouth. I'm telling people to stop moaning."
For clarity is moaning having an opinion on the last 79 days of this government, or is it something else?
I assumed it was an opinion?? |
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"Impatient lot. Do your moaning next year, or after the budget. 11 weeks they've been in govt of which most was during parliament recess dates.
Are you pleased with their decision making and direction of travel in this short time?
So you think I have a contradictory measurement to what I'm asking from you lot. Nope. I'll wait.
you are asking people not to have an opinion until you say it is okay to have one?
Don't put words in my mouth. I'm telling people to stop moaning.
For clarity is moaning having an opinion on the last 79 days of this government, or is it something else?
I assumed it was an opinion??"
You can opine without moaning. |
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By *otMe66Man 8 weeks ago
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"Impatient lot. Do your moaning next year, or after the budget. 11 weeks they've been in govt of which most was during parliament recess dates.
Are you pleased with their decision making and direction of travel in this short time?
So you think I have a contradictory measurement to what I'm asking from you lot. Nope. I'll wait.
you are asking people not to have an opinion until you say it is okay to have one?
Don't put words in my mouth. I'm telling people to stop moaning.
For clarity is moaning having an opinion on the last 79 days of this government, or is it something else?
I assumed it was an opinion??
You can opine without moaning."
Can you point me to the post that is moaning in this thread? I'm really struggling to see what you are seeing |
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"Impatient lot. Do your moaning next year, or after the budget. 11 weeks they've been in govt of which most was during parliament recess dates."
yes, quite amazing they have bombed so badly when actually parliament has been in recess for a large proportion of that time.
Just think how far they will sink when they spend more time in parliament 🤣
Good old Free gear two tier Keir and his band of freelaoders. That and the WFA cut will not be forgotten.
However, I’m not surprised the country has turned against him so quickly when only 1:5 of the country actually voted for this Labour sandcastle and the tide is lapping away at the castle walls… |
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"I don't know when people will realise that none of the politicians can solve most of the problems in the country. NHS, policing, pensions, unemployment benefits, etc. are all becoming unsustainable with an ageing population and more people of working age avoiding work.
So it's only a question of which welfare systems will break down first. Pensioner votes usually go to Tories. So it was natural for Labour to go after the pensions first. If it's the Tories, they would go after the unemployment benefits.
It's useless to depend on politicians for the economic issues at this point. Reality is a tough pill to swallow."
Pensioners voting Tory does seem a popular phrase but makes me wonder what happens to them once they reach pension age. They were younger once and presumably voted for a variety of parties during their life. So why once they hit pension age do they suddenly convert. Surely whatever the balance was between Tory and non Tory supporters carries forward |
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"The latest Opinium poll reveals that Starmer’s approval rating has plunged below that of the Tory leader Rishi Sunak, suffering a huge 45-point drop since July. While only 24% of voters approve of the job he is doing, 50% disapprove, giving him a net rating of -26.
Rachel Reeves after personally claiming £3700 in energy costs for her second home, has cut winter fuel payments for all but the poorest pensioners and promised tough decisions on welfare and tax in the forthcoming budget, has seen a 36 point drop in her net approval since July.
The deputy prime minister Angela Rayner accused of tax avoidance in her second home currently 23 points down since July.
Two months of flat line economic growth and falling business investment
Poor show and in only eleven weeks, they have had no new big problems come their way yet.
The budget looking likely the death knell for Labour
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I guess he only had one way to go after such a big victory though I was not expecting it to go so badly this quick. Looks like Rayner has declared that she was given the use of a donors flat in New York for a holiday but some questions about who also was at the flat which may not have been declared. |
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"The latest Opinium poll reveals that Starmer’s approval rating has plunged below that of the Tory leader Rishi Sunak, suffering a huge 45-point drop since July. While only 24% of voters approve of the job he is doing, 50% disapprove, giving him a net rating of -26.
Rachel Reeves after personally claiming £3700 in energy costs for her second home, has cut winter fuel payments for all but the poorest pensioners and promised tough decisions on welfare and tax in the forthcoming budget, has seen a 36 point drop in her net approval since July.
The deputy prime minister Angela Rayner accused of tax avoidance in her second home currently 23 points down since July.
Two months of flat line economic growth and falling business investment
Poor show and in only eleven weeks, they have had no new big problems come their way yet.
The budget looking likely the death knell for Labour
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I'd suggest that anyone who thought that in a few months, Labour could fix the last 14 years of damage caused by the Conservative party. Had unrealistic expectations. |
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I guess he only had one way to go after such a big victory though I was not expecting it to go so badly this quick. Looks like Rayner has declared that she was given the use of a donors flat in New York for a holiday but some questions about who also was at the flat which may not have been declared. "
That’s Lord Alli’s home holiday flat presumably
“Labour confirms end of Furnished Holiday Lettings tax perks”
Keir Starmer to ensure loopholes are shut down to stop landlords wanting to turn their second homes into holiday rentals causing further chaos.
Champagne socialists. |
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"I don't know when people will realise that none of the politicians can solve most of the problems in the country. NHS, policing, pensions, unemployment benefits, etc. are all becoming unsustainable with an ageing population and more people of working age avoiding work.
So it's only a question of which welfare systems will break down first. Pensioner votes usually go to Tories. So it was natural for Labour to go after the pensions first. If it's the Tories, they would go after the unemployment benefits.
It's useless to depend on politicians for the economic issues at this point. Reality is a tough pill to swallow.
Pensioners voting Tory does seem a popular phrase but makes me wonder what happens to them once they reach pension age. They were younger once and presumably voted for a variety of parties during their life. So why once they hit pension age do they suddenly convert. Surely whatever the balance was between Tory and non Tory supporters carries forward"
On an average, people's political views change as they get older. It's not the pension age that changes them. Unless someone has dabbled in left wing politics seriously for too long, many others become more conservative.
In the case of UK politics, Tories have specifically targeted the pensioner votes by promising triple lock and stuff. Labour's typical voter base is young people. Sure Starmer moved the paarty's stance a little bit to attract some older votes too. But they were not their traditional voter base. |
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By *otMe66Man 8 weeks ago
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"The latest Opinium poll reveals that Starmer’s approval rating has plunged below that of the Tory leader Rishi Sunak, suffering a huge 45-point drop since July. While only 24% of voters approve of the job he is doing, 50% disapprove, giving him a net rating of -26.
Rachel Reeves after personally claiming £3700 in energy costs for her second home, has cut winter fuel payments for all but the poorest pensioners and promised tough decisions on welfare and tax in the forthcoming budget, has seen a 36 point drop in her net approval since July.
The deputy prime minister Angela Rayner accused of tax avoidance in her second home currently 23 points down since July.
Two months of flat line economic growth and falling business investment
Poor show and in only eleven weeks, they have had no new big problems come their way yet.
The budget looking likely the death knell for Labour
I'd suggest that anyone who thought that in a few months, Labour could fix the last 14 years of damage caused by the Conservative party. Had unrealistic expectations. "
People are not expecting them to turn around the country in 79 days, the expectation was not to be so incompetent in such a short time |
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"The latest Opinium poll reveals that Starmer’s approval rating has plunged below that of the Tory leader Rishi Sunak, suffering a huge 45-point drop since July. While only 24% of voters approve of the job he is doing, 50% disapprove, giving him a net rating of -26.
Rachel Reeves after personally claiming £3700 in energy costs for her second home, has cut winter fuel payments for all but the poorest pensioners and promised tough decisions on welfare and tax in the forthcoming budget, has seen a 36 point drop in her net approval since July.
The deputy prime minister Angela Rayner accused of tax avoidance in her second home currently 23 points down since July.
Two months of flat line economic growth and falling business investment
Poor show and in only eleven weeks, they have had no new big problems come their way yet.
The budget looking likely the death knell for Labour
I'd suggest that anyone who thought that in a few months, Labour could fix the last 14 years of damage caused by the Conservative party. Had unrealistic expectations.
People are not expecting them to turn around the country in 79 days, the expectation was not to be so incompetent in such a short time"
How competent were the expectations?
They're approximately meeting mine. |
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"I don't know when people will realise that none of the politicians can solve most of the problems in the country. NHS, policing, pensions, unemployment benefits, etc. are all becoming unsustainable with an ageing population and more people of working age avoiding work.
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Thank goodness others understand. The UK (and quite a few other Western nations) are struggling with various issues impacting their GDP. It does feel that the UK is in "free fall" and our specific issues are past a point of no return. Tinkering around the edges isn't going to result in any meaningful improvement.
I don't see us a sailing in to an iceberg field and trying to pick a path through, I see it more as having collided with several icebergs and we're taking on water from multiple holes.
The previous captain and crew have abandoned ship, the current captain and crew have inherited a sinking ship, and what little lifeboats are left and being snaffled up by those with the funds to do so.
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How competent were the expectations?
They're approximately meeting mine.
So you were expecting the Prime Minister to accept gratuities and not declare them  "
I was expecting a less shit and less self serving version of the Tories. |
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It always amazes me that after 14 years of Tory mismanagement the Labour Party is criticised within days for being ineffective.
The economy is like a massive oil tanker which has been deserted by its former Captain who did not tell the crew it was heading for the rocks. However hard the new Captain tries, it takes time to turn it around. Have a bit of patience, give them time to sort it out. |
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"I don't know when people will realise that none of the politicians can solve most of the problems in the country. NHS, policing, pensions, unemployment benefits, etc. are all becoming unsustainable with an ageing population and more people of working age avoiding work.
Thank goodness others understand. The UK (and quite a few other Western nations) are struggling with various issues impacting their GDP. It does feel that the UK is in "free fall" and our specific issues are past a point of no return. Tinkering around the edges isn't going to result in any meaningful improvement.
I don't see us a sailing in to an iceberg field and trying to pick a path through, I see it more as having collided with several icebergs and we're taking on water from multiple holes.
The previous captain and crew have abandoned ship, the current captain and crew have inherited a sinking ship, and what little lifeboats are left and being snaffled up by those with the funds to do so.
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 People are in denial about the issue and expect the government to do some kind of magic to solve these problems. Oh Tories are the reason why the system is screwed up. Let's vote Labour. They can fix the problems. After 5 years, it will be the same story again and they will vote for another politician who makes false promises about their ability to fix them all. |
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Don't blame Labour it is not their fault, I would like to see one of you decline free Taylor Swift tickets, it matters not if it looks like a bribe, it matters not if looked paid for I will have those tickets. |
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"Don't blame Labour it is not their fault, I would like to see one of you decline free Taylor Swift tickets"
If you can get someone to offer them to me, I'd be happy to let you watch me decline them. Taylor Swift is not an irresistible attraction. |
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"Don't blame Labour it is not their fault, I would like to see one of you decline free Taylor Swift tickets
If you can get someone to offer them to me, I'd be happy to let you watch me decline them. Taylor Swift is not an irresistible attraction."
My tongue is firmly in its cheek when I wrote that.
A cabinet M.P said how could she resist when offered free tickets and it was for her daughter really. So it was ok.
All aboard the gravey train. |
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"It always amazes me that after 14 years of Tory mismanagement the Labour Party is criticised within days for being ineffective.
The economy is like a massive oil tanker which has been deserted by its former Captain who did not tell the crew it was heading for the rocks. However hard the new Captain tries, it takes time to turn it around. Have a bit of patience, give them time to sort it out. "
Doesn't surprise me at all. The media generally decide who the public should blame and start holding accountable. Do you think these stories coming out about Keirs Starmers freebies were not known about before.
They are just being leaked now to get Joe Blogg frothing at the mouth and keep Starmer in line. So he knows who holds the real power, and not to get too out of line. |
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"Don't blame Labour it is not their fault, I would like to see one of you decline free Taylor Swift tickets"
"If you can get someone to offer them to me, I'd be happy to let you watch me decline them. Taylor Swift is not an irresistible attraction."
"My tongue is firmly in its cheek when I wrote that.
A cabinet M.P said how could she resist when offered free tickets and it was for her daughter really. So it was ok.
All aboard the gravey train."
Someone really said that?
Of all the lame excuses ... |
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"Todays leak, Rayners spent £68,000 of tax payer money on a photographer to improve her image.
Did she keep the receipt?
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In the week that Reeves orders enquires on Covid corruption
Rayner should be made to repay this to the taxpayer. |
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"Todays leak, Rayners spent £68,000 of tax payer money on a photographer to improve her image.
Did she keep the receipt?
In the week that Reeves orders enquires on Covid corruption
Rayner should be made to repay this to the taxpayer. "
She should, although it came from the department commutation budget, and the photographer previously worked for Sunak, and Boris had three photographers.
But just for perspective, the covid corruption is estimated to be about 400,000 times the amount paid to this photographer. |
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"Todays leak, Rayners spent £68,000 of tax payer money on a photographer to improve her image.
Did she keep the receipt?
In the week that Reeves orders enquires on Covid corruption
Rayner should be made to repay this to the taxpayer. "
I'm quite surprised it comes under a tax payer budget as this is to improve her image. I would have expected it to come from a party fund instead. One thing Labour have been very efficient on is getting up to speed on being self serving. They have a high target to aim for but their of to a flying start. Hopefully this efficiency to replicate the previous government in terms of fleecing the tax payer will also be evident when it comes to delivering their promises. |
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"Todays leak, Rayners spent £68,000 of tax payer money on a photographer to improve her image.
Did she keep the receipt?
In the week that Reeves orders enquires on Covid corruption
Rayner should be made to repay this to the taxpayer.
I'm quite surprised it comes under a tax payer budget as this is to improve her image. I would have expected it to come from a party fund instead. One thing Labour have been very efficient on is getting up to speed on being self serving. They have a high target to aim for but their of to a flying start. Hopefully this efficiency to replicate the previous government in terms of fleecing the tax payer will also be evident when it comes to delivering their promises."
There were more Labour MP’s imprisoned for expenses fraud than any other party. Yes self serving. |
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They've certainly hit the ground running, and are running off with the money.
I'm curious who are all these foreign investors and what are they investing in when there is a supposed giant black hole being spouted about across the airwaves hardly an advert for prospective investors. Why don't they get the debt written off, or is that too easy. |
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"It is playing out wonderfully for the leftists in the labour party, the ones that can never get the party into power! Plan B: send in the grey man and remove later."
Exactly. Not sure how people can’t see this. It’s obvious. Nobody is enjoying SKS’s collapse more than the hard left in the Labour Party … biding their time |
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I was hoping the tory loss in the last election would herald a more grown up politics.
Reading some of the comments in the politics forum i.e Rayners appearance it seems it's the public that have a lot of growing up to do. |
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By *otMe66Man 8 weeks ago
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"Ratings only matter in election season. They are not relevant a few months after election"
Rating matter most of the time.
Poor ratings will allow "others" in his party to bring into doubt his leadership and start the plan to replace him.
We can see Starmer's rating has plummeted, this is not great news for his leadership and is part of reason why he is being constantly asked if he has a grip on his party and his leadership, which would indicate the "others" mentioned above, have begun their work. |
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"It is playing out wonderfully for the leftists in the labour party, the ones that can never get the party into power! Plan B: send in the grey man and remove later.
Exactly. Not sure how people can’t see this. It’s obvious. Nobody is enjoying SKS’s collapse more than the hard left in the Labour Party … biding their time "
What's the worst case scenario here? Some imaginary leftist gets into power through the back door and manages to push through some legislation that actually benefits the UK and British people?
It'll never be allowed to happen. |
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By *ronisMan 8 weeks ago
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"Impatient lot. Do your moaning next year, or after the budget. 11 weeks they've been in govt of which most was during parliament recess dates.
Are you pleased with their decision making and direction of travel in this short time?
So you think I have a contradictory measurement to what I'm asking from you lot. Nope. I'll wait.
you are asking people not to have an opinion until you say it is okay to have one?
Don't put words in my mouth. I'm telling people to stop moaning."
You're telling? Really? Don't you mean asking or suggesting? |
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By *otMe66Man 8 weeks ago
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"It is playing out wonderfully for the leftists in the labour party, the ones that can never get the party into power! Plan B: send in the grey man and remove later.
Exactly. Not sure how people can’t see this. It’s obvious. Nobody is enjoying SKS’s collapse more than the hard left in the Labour Party … biding their time
What's the worst case scenario here? Some imaginary leftist gets into power through the back door and manages to push through some legislation that actually benefits the UK and British people?
It'll never be allowed to happen. "
Unfortunately there will be no option to stop it happening.
The left wing populists will cause as much damage as the right wing populists |
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"It is playing out wonderfully for the leftists in the labour party, the ones that can never get the party into power! Plan B: send in the grey man and remove later.
Exactly. Not sure how people can’t see this. It’s obvious. Nobody is enjoying SKS’s collapse more than the hard left in the Labour Party … biding their time
What's the worst case scenario here? Some imaginary leftist gets into power through the back door and manages to push through some legislation that actually benefits the UK and British people?
It'll never be allowed to happen.
Unfortunately there will be no option to stop it happening.
The left wing populists will cause as much damage as the right wing populists"
Better working conditions, less damage to the environment?
Sounds like a nightmare scenario. |
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"Better working conditions, less damage to the environment?
Sounds like a nightmare scenario. "
I've not been following closely. What are Labour proposing that would make working conditions better? |
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By *otMe66Man 8 weeks ago
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"It is playing out wonderfully for the leftists in the labour party, the ones that can never get the party into power! Plan B: send in the grey man and remove later.
Exactly. Not sure how people can’t see this. It’s obvious. Nobody is enjoying SKS’s collapse more than the hard left in the Labour Party … biding their time
What's the worst case scenario here? Some imaginary leftist gets into power through the back door and manages to push through some legislation that actually benefits the UK and British people?
It'll never be allowed to happen.
Unfortunately there will be no option to stop it happening.
The left wing populists will cause as much damage as the right wing populists
Better working conditions, less damage to the environment?
Sounds like a nightmare scenario. "
What policies are you quoting here, the labour party polices under Starmer, which is not what we are talking about, or a more radical left wing element which is the core focus of this part of the discussion? |
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"I was hoping the tory loss in the last election would herald a more grown up politics.
Reading some of the comments in the politics forum i.e Rayners appearance it seems it's the public that have a lot of growing up to do."
Comments are similar its just now Labour are in office the scrutiny is on them. They and others were quick to criticise the previous lot (quite rightly) so need to accept criticism themselves. |
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By *irldnCouple 8 weeks ago
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"I was hoping the tory loss in the last election would herald a more grown up politics.
Reading some of the comments in the politics forum i.e Rayners appearance it seems it's the public that have a lot of growing up to do."
Aw come on the £68k of taxpayers money on a photographer was an open goal. Few people could resist  |
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"Better working conditions, less damage to the environment?
Sounds like a nightmare scenario.
I've not been following closely. What are Labour proposing that would make working conditions better?"
We're taking about the fictional scenario of a leftist leader somehow taking over Labour and becoming PM. |
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"It is playing out wonderfully for the leftists in the labour party, the ones that can never get the party into power! Plan B: send in the grey man and remove later.
Exactly. Not sure how people can’t see this. It’s obvious. Nobody is enjoying SKS’s collapse more than the hard left in the Labour Party … biding their time
What's the worst case scenario here? Some imaginary leftist gets into power through the back door and manages to push through some legislation that actually benefits the UK and British people?
It'll never be allowed to happen.
Unfortunately there will be no option to stop it happening.
The left wing populists will cause as much damage as the right wing populists
Better working conditions, less damage to the environment?
Sounds like a nightmare scenario.
What policies are you quoting here, the labour party polices under Starmer, which is not what we are talking about, or a more radical left wing element which is the core focus of this part of the discussion? "
Not quoting anything.
As you point out we're talking "radical left wing element" which by fab definitions are things like, not prioritising oil company profits over the environment, allowing unions to fight for workers rights. You know, standard loony left extremism. |
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"It is playing out wonderfully for the leftists in the labour party, the ones that can never get the party into power! Plan B: send in the grey man and remove later.
Exactly. Not sure how people can’t see this. It’s obvious. Nobody is enjoying SKS’s collapse more than the hard left in the Labour Party … biding their time
What's the worst case scenario here? Some imaginary leftist gets into power through the back door and manages to push through some legislation that actually benefits the UK and British people?
It'll never be allowed to happen.
Unfortunately there will be no option to stop it happening.
The left wing populists will cause as much damage as the right wing populists
Better working conditions, less damage to the environment?
Sounds like a nightmare scenario. "
Like what the amazing left wing politicians did in the Soviet union? |
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"Better working conditions, less damage to the environment?
Sounds like a nightmare scenario."
"I've not been following closely. What are Labour proposing that would make working conditions better?"
"We're taking about the fictional scenario of a leftist leader somehow taking over Labour and becoming PM."
Ah, right. So you have no expectation of the current lot doing anything like that then. That makes more sense. |
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"Better working conditions, less damage to the environment?
Sounds like a nightmare scenario.
I've not been following closely. What are Labour proposing that would make working conditions better?
We're taking about the fictional scenario of a leftist leader somehow taking over Labour and becoming PM.
Ah, right. So you have no expectation of the current lot doing anything like that then. That makes more sense."
I have no expectations of the current Labour party doing much more than a few token policies that appear to be better than what we have been used to, but on reality do very little.
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"I just wait until Budget Day to prove how terrible Labour are "
Because they should be lowering taxes, spending more and borrowing less because the Tories left the economy in such a great state and the only reason they aren't is because they are 'terrible Labour'.
This isn't a Politics Forum, it's a comedy club, just with shitty comedians,
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"I just wait until Budget Day to prove how terrible Labour are Because they should be lowering taxes, spending more and borrowing less because the Tories left the economy in such a great state and the only reason they aren't is because they are 'terrible Labour'.
This isn't a Politics Forum, it's a comedy club, just with shitty comedians,
Mrs x"
well I'm not a Tory supporter because quite frankly Tories and Labour are 2 sides of the same coin but let's be honest Keir Starmer won't last 5 years as Prime Minister. In fact I'll be amazed if he even lasts a year |
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"I just wait until Budget Day to prove how terrible Labour are Because they should be lowering taxes, spending more and borrowing less because the Tories left the economy in such a great state and the only reason they aren't is because they are 'terrible Labour'.
This isn't a Politics Forum, it's a comedy club, just with shitty comedians,
Mrs x well I'm not a Tory supporter because quite frankly Tories and Labour are 2 sides of the same coin but let's be honest Keir Starmer won't last 5 years as Prime Minister. In fact I'll be amazed if he even lasts a year"
Your not a Tory supporter or a Labour supporter. At least all the other moaners I can understand, got to support your team and all that.
You just like to moan for the sake of it. |
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By *lfasoCouple 8 weeks ago
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"I just wait until Budget Day to prove how terrible Labour are Because they should be lowering taxes, spending more and borrowing less because the Tories left the economy in such a great state and the only reason they aren't is because they are 'terrible Labour'.
This isn't a Politics Forum, it's a comedy club, just with shitty comedians,
Mrs x"
"The UK has risen in the rankings of a group of wealthy nations to have the joint-second highest economic growth for this year, a think tank has predicted." OECD |
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This isn't a Politics Forum, it's a comedy club, just with shitty comedians,
Mrs x
"The UK has risen in the rankings of a group of wealthy nations to have the joint-second highest economic growth for this year, a think tank has predicted." OECD"
When you fell so low it's hardly surprising that in trying to catch up you have better growth than those who didn't fall as low. |
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Mrs x
"The UK has risen in the rankings of a group of wealthy nations to have the joint-second highest economic growth for this year, a think tank has predicted." OECD"
The UK has trailed significantly the Eurozone since it left the EU, so not sure if this think tank is claiming we have caught up because we haven't our GDP is trailing badly. This is compounded by the fact that the decade prior to us leaving the EU trailed us massively.
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"I just wait until Budget Day to prove how terrible Labour are Because they should be lowering taxes, spending more and borrowing less because the Tories left the economy in such a great state and the only reason they aren't is because they are 'terrible Labour'.
This isn't a Politics Forum, it's a comedy club, just with shitty comedians,
Mrs x well I'm not a Tory supporter because quite frankly Tories and Labour are 2 sides of the same coin but let's be honest Keir Starmer won't last 5 years as Prime Minister. In fact I'll be amazed if he even lasts a year
Your not a Tory supporter or a Labour supporter. At least all the other moaners I can understand, got to support your team and all that.
You just like to moan for the sake of it."
Oh dont worry that i am doing something about it, I'm waiting for the right moment which I won't be sharing on here |
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By *irldnCouple 8 weeks ago
Brighton |
"I just wait until Budget Day to prove how terrible Labour are Because they should be lowering taxes, spending more and borrowing less because the Tories left the economy in such a great state and the only reason they aren't is because they are 'terrible Labour'.
This isn't a Politics Forum, it's a comedy club, just with shitty comedians,
Mrs x well I'm not a Tory supporter because quite frankly Tories and Labour are 2 sides of the same coin but let's be honest Keir Starmer won't last 5 years as Prime Minister. In fact I'll be amazed if he even lasts a year
Your not a Tory supporter or a Labour supporter. At least all the other moaners I can understand, got to support your team and all that.
You just like to moan for the sake of it. Oh dont worry that i am doing something about it, I'm waiting for the right moment which I won't be sharing on here"
Buying shares in popcorn, this should be good |
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"I just wait until Budget Day to prove how terrible Labour are Because they should be lowering taxes, spending more and borrowing less because the Tories left the economy in such a great state and the only reason they aren't is because they are 'terrible Labour'.
This isn't a Politics Forum, it's a comedy club, just with shitty comedians,
Mrs x well I'm not a Tory supporter because quite frankly Tories and Labour are 2 sides of the same coin but let's be honest Keir Starmer won't last 5 years as Prime Minister. In fact I'll be amazed if he even lasts a year
Your not a Tory supporter or a Labour supporter. At least all the other moaners I can understand, got to support your team and all that.
You just like to moan for the sake of it. Oh dont worry that i am doing something about it, I'm waiting for the right moment which I won't be sharing on here"
Is this the same undemocratic "extreme" measure you spoke of before?
Can you give us a hint? |
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This isn't a Politics Forum, it's a comedy club, just with shitty comedians,
Mrs x
"The UK has risen in the rankings of a group of wealthy nations to have the joint-second highest economic growth for this year, a think tank has predicted." OECDThe UK has trailed significantly the Eurozone since it left the EU, so not sure if this think tank is claiming we have caught up because we haven't our GDP is trailing badly. This is compounded by the fact that the decade prior to us leaving the EU trailed us massively.
Mrs x"
The UK is the second fastest growing G7 economy (after the US). The £ passed through EUR 1.2 this week. It's not all doom and gloom. |
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"Don't blame Labour it is not their fault, I would like to see one of you decline free Taylor Swift tickets
If you can get someone to offer them to me, I'd be happy to let you watch me decline them. Taylor Swift is not an irresistible attraction.
My tongue is firmly in its cheek when I wrote that.
A cabinet M.P said how could she resist when offered free tickets and it was for her daughter really. So it was ok.
All aboard the gravey train.
Someone really said that?
Of all the lame excuses ..."
I think she is the education minister, has brown hair cut in a bob? |
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"I was hoping the tory loss in the last election would herald a more grown up politics.
Reading some of the comments in the politics forum i.e Rayners appearance it seems it's the public that have a lot of growing up to do.
Aw come on the £68k of taxpayers money on a photographer was an open goal. Few people could resist "
Where do people think pictures of cabinet meetings, pictures of the new P.M entering no 10 for the first time comes from, Official Photographers. and yes they need to be paid like everyone else. |
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By *irldnCouple 8 weeks ago
Brighton |
"I was hoping the tory loss in the last election would herald a more grown up politics.
Reading some of the comments in the politics forum i.e Rayners appearance it seems it's the public that have a lot of growing up to do.
Aw come on the £68k of taxpayers money on a photographer was an open goal. Few people could resist
Where do people think pictures of cabinet meetings, pictures of the new P.M entering no 10 for the first time comes from, Official Photographers. and yes they need to be paid like everyone else."
You missed the point and the joke! |
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"There's a reason sunak called an early election. Most realists understood it would get worse before it gets any better. "
And the likelihood that the first flight to Rwanda would fail again.
Anyone using logic knows that had it been successful (merely the plane getting off the ground) it would have been a feather in rishi's cap. He couldn't chance it so GE was arranged before the proposed flight. |
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"I just wait until Budget Day to prove how terrible Labour are Because they should be lowering taxes, spending more and borrowing less because the Tories left the economy in such a great state and the only reason they aren't is because they are 'terrible Labour'.
This isn't a Politics Forum, it's a comedy club, just with shitty comedians,
Mrs x well I'm not a Tory supporter because quite frankly Tories and Labour are 2 sides of the same coin but let's be honest Keir Starmer won't last 5 years as Prime Minister. In fact I'll be amazed if he even lasts a year
Your not a Tory supporter or a Labour supporter. At least all the other moaners I can understand, got to support your team and all that.
You just like to moan for the sake of it. Oh dont worry that i am doing something about it, I'm waiting for the right moment which I won't be sharing on here"
Are you starting your own political party. Or are you going to start planning a campaign to be the next Mayor of London.
If so, best to start sharing here, most cost effective way of building up a following. |
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By *irldnCouple 8 weeks ago
Brighton |
"I just wait until Budget Day to prove how terrible Labour are Because they should be lowering taxes, spending more and borrowing less because the Tories left the economy in such a great state and the only reason they aren't is because they are 'terrible Labour'.
This isn't a Politics Forum, it's a comedy club, just with shitty comedians,
Mrs x well I'm not a Tory supporter because quite frankly Tories and Labour are 2 sides of the same coin but let's be honest Keir Starmer won't last 5 years as Prime Minister. In fact I'll be amazed if he even lasts a year
Your not a Tory supporter or a Labour supporter. At least all the other moaners I can understand, got to support your team and all that.
You just like to moan for the sake of it. Oh dont worry that i am doing something about it, I'm waiting for the right moment which I won't be sharing on here
Are you starting your own political party. Or are you going to start planning a campaign to be the next Mayor of London.
If so, best to start sharing here, most cost effective way of building up a following. "
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"I just wait until Budget Day to prove how terrible Labour are Because they should be lowering taxes, spending more and borrowing less because the Tories left the economy in such a great state and the only reason they aren't is because they are 'terrible Labour'.
This isn't a Politics Forum, it's a comedy club, just with shitty comedians,
Mrs x well I'm not a Tory supporter because quite frankly Tories and Labour are 2 sides of the same coin but let's be honest Keir Starmer won't last 5 years as Prime Minister. In fact I'll be amazed if he even lasts a year
Your not a Tory supporter or a Labour supporter. At least all the other moaners I can understand, got to support your team and all that.
You just like to moan for the sake of it. Oh dont worry that i am doing something about it, I'm waiting for the right moment which I won't be sharing on here
Are you starting your own political party. Or are you going to start planning a campaign to be the next Mayor of London.
If so, best to start sharing here, most cost effective way of building up a following.
Caribbean Fawkes "
I think he needs a Caribbean queen to calm him down.. |
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By *irldnCouple 8 weeks ago
Brighton |
"I just wait until Budget Day to prove how terrible Labour are Because they should be lowering taxes, spending more and borrowing less because the Tories left the economy in such a great state and the only reason they aren't is because they are 'terrible Labour'.
This isn't a Politics Forum, it's a comedy club, just with shitty comedians,
Mrs x well I'm not a Tory supporter because quite frankly Tories and Labour are 2 sides of the same coin but let's be honest Keir Starmer won't last 5 years as Prime Minister. In fact I'll be amazed if he even lasts a year
Your not a Tory supporter or a Labour supporter. At least all the other moaners I can understand, got to support your team and all that.
You just like to moan for the sake of it. Oh dont worry that i am doing something about it, I'm waiting for the right moment which I won't be sharing on here
Are you starting your own political party. Or are you going to start planning a campaign to be the next Mayor of London.
If so, best to start sharing here, most cost effective way of building up a following.
Caribbean Fawkes
I think he needs a Caribbean queen to calm him down.. "
“Suddenly, life has new meaning, to me!”
And because of ULEZ he’d ask her to “get out of my car”
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"I just wait until Budget Day to prove how terrible Labour are Because they should be lowering taxes, spending more and borrowing less because the Tories left the economy in such a great state and the only reason they aren't is because they are 'terrible Labour'.
This isn't a Politics Forum, it's a comedy club, just with shitty comedians,
Mrs x well I'm not a Tory supporter because quite frankly Tories and Labour are 2 sides of the same coin but let's be honest Keir Starmer won't last 5 years as Prime Minister. In fact I'll be amazed if he even lasts a year
Your not a Tory supporter or a Labour supporter. At least all the other moaners I can understand, got to support your team and all that.
You just like to moan for the sake of it. Oh dont worry that i am doing something about it, I'm waiting for the right moment which I won't be sharing on here
Are you starting your own political party. Or are you going to start planning a campaign to be the next Mayor of London.
If so, best to start sharing here, most cost effective way of building up a following.
Caribbean Fawkes
I think he needs a Caribbean queen to calm him down..
“Suddenly, life has new meaning, to me!”
And because of ULEZ he’d ask her to “get out of my car”
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"I just wait until Budget Day to prove how terrible Labour are Because they should be lowering taxes, spending more and borrowing less because the Tories left the economy in such a great state and the only reason they aren't is because they are 'terrible Labour'.
This isn't a Politics Forum, it's a comedy club, just with shitty comedians,
Mrs x well I'm not a Tory supporter because quite frankly Tories and Labour are 2 sides of the same coin but let's be honest Keir Starmer won't last 5 years as Prime Minister. In fact I'll be amazed if he even lasts a year
Your not a Tory supporter or a Labour supporter. At least all the other moaners I can understand, got to support your team and all that.
You just like to moan for the sake of it. Oh dont worry that i am doing something about it, I'm waiting for the right moment which I won't be sharing on here
Is this the same undemocratic "extreme" measure you spoke of before?
Can you give us a hint?"
Don't know why you think I'm planning something undemocratic when quite frankly this country ain't as democratic as you like to believe |
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This isn't a Politics Forum, it's a comedy club, just with shitty comedians,
Mrs x well I'm not a Tory supporter because quite frankly Tories and Labour are 2 sides of the same coin but let's be honest Keir Starmer won't last 5 years as Prime Minister. In fact I'll be amazed if he even lasts a year
Your not a Tory supporter or a Labour supporter. At least all the other moaners I can understand, got to support your team and all that.
You just like to moan for the sake of it. Oh dont worry that i am doing something about it, I'm waiting for the right moment which I won't be sharing on here
Are you starting your own political party. Or are you going to start planning a campaign to be the next Mayor of London.
If so, best to start sharing here, most cost effective way of building up a following. "
All options are considered although again won't be revealing on here |
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This isn't a Politics Forum, it's a comedy club, just with shitty comedians,
Mrs x well I'm not a Tory supporter because quite frankly Tories and Labour are 2 sides of the same coin but let's be honest Keir Starmer won't last 5 years as Prime Minister. In fact I'll be amazed if he even lasts a year
Your not a Tory supporter or a Labour supporter. At least all the other moaners I can understand, got to support your team and all that.
You just like to moan for the sake of it. Oh dont worry that i am doing something about it, I'm waiting for the right moment which I won't be sharing on here
Are you starting your own political party. Or are you going to start planning a campaign to be the next Mayor of London.
If so, best to start sharing here, most cost effective way of building up a following.
Caribbean Fawkes
I think he needs a Caribbean queen to calm him down.. "
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"I just wait until Budget Day to prove how terrible Labour are Because they should be lowering taxes, spending more and borrowing less because the Tories left the economy in such a great state and the only reason they aren't is because they are 'terrible Labour'.
This isn't a Politics Forum, it's a comedy club, just with shitty comedians,
Mrs x well I'm not a Tory supporter because quite frankly Tories and Labour are 2 sides of the same coin but let's be honest Keir Starmer won't last 5 years as Prime Minister. In fact I'll be amazed if he even lasts a year
Your not a Tory supporter or a Labour supporter. At least all the other moaners I can understand, got to support your team and all that.
You just like to moan for the sake of it. Oh dont worry that i am doing something about it, I'm waiting for the right moment which I won't be sharing on here
Are you starting your own political party. Or are you going to start planning a campaign to be the next Mayor of London.
If so, best to start sharing here, most cost effective way of building up a following.
Caribbean Fawkes
I think he needs a Caribbean queen to calm him down..
“Suddenly, life has new meaning, to me!”
And because of ULEZ he’d ask her to “get out of my car”
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Mock me all you want I really don't care I just wait until this government screws you guys over and then see if you be making a joke of it |
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This isn't a Politics Forum, it's a comedy club, just with shitty comedians,
Mrs x well I'm not a Tory supporter because quite frankly Tories and Labour are 2 sides of the same coin but let's be honest Keir Starmer won't last 5 years as Prime Minister. In fact I'll be amazed if he even lasts a year
Your not a Tory supporter or a Labour supporter. At least all the other moaners I can understand, got to support your team and all that.
You just like to moan for the sake of it. Oh dont worry that i am doing something about it, I'm waiting for the right moment which I won't be sharing on here
Are you starting your own political party. Or are you going to start planning a campaign to be the next Mayor of London.
If so, best to start sharing here, most cost effective way of building up a following. All options are considered although again won't be revealing on here"
Loud tut tutting at the telly whenever anyone from labour is on?
Strongly worded letters to the Morning Star?
Or other 'options'? |
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This isn't a Politics Forum, it's a comedy club, just with shitty comedians,
Mrs x well I'm not a Tory supporter because quite frankly Tories and Labour are 2 sides of the same coin but let's be honest Keir Starmer won't last 5 years as Prime Minister. In fact I'll be amazed if he even lasts a year
Your not a Tory supporter or a Labour supporter. At least all the other moaners I can understand, got to support your team and all that.
You just like to moan for the sake of it. Oh dont worry that i am doing something about it, I'm waiting for the right moment which I won't be sharing on here
Are you starting your own political party. Or are you going to start planning a campaign to be the next Mayor of London.
If so, best to start sharing here, most cost effective way of building up a following.
Caribbean Fawkes
I think he needs a Caribbean queen to calm him down.. I'm fine just dont like where the country is going with this jokey wokey government "
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"I just wait until Budget Day to prove how terrible Labour are Because they should be lowering taxes, spending more and borrowing less because the Tories left the economy in such a great state and the only reason they aren't is because they are 'terrible Labour'.
This isn't a Politics Forum, it's a comedy club, just with shitty comedians,
Mrs x well I'm not a Tory supporter because quite frankly Tories and Labour are 2 sides of the same coin but let's be honest Keir Starmer won't last 5 years as Prime Minister. In fact I'll be amazed if he even lasts a year
Your not a Tory supporter or a Labour supporter. At least all the other moaners I can understand, got to support your team and all that.
You just like to moan for the sake of it. Oh dont worry that i am doing something about it, I'm waiting for the right moment which I won't be sharing on here
Are you starting your own political party. Or are you going to start planning a campaign to be the next Mayor of London.
If so, best to start sharing here, most cost effective way of building up a following.
Caribbean Fawkes
I think he needs a Caribbean queen to calm him down.. I'm fine just dont like where the country is going with this jokey wokey government
Why is the country being more aware of social injustice, especially racism, something you're so opposed to?"
Why do you keep repeatedly parroting this strawman argument when you have been told multiple times what woke means in this context? |
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"I just wait until Budget Day to prove how terrible Labour are Because they should be lowering taxes, spending more and borrowing less because the Tories left the economy in such a great state and the only reason they aren't is because they are 'terrible Labour'.
This isn't a Politics Forum, it's a comedy club, just with shitty comedians,
Mrs x well I'm not a Tory supporter because quite frankly Tories and Labour are 2 sides of the same coin but let's be honest Keir Starmer won't last 5 years as Prime Minister. In fact I'll be amazed if he even lasts a year
Your not a Tory supporter or a Labour supporter. At least all the other moaners I can understand, got to support your team and all that.
You just like to moan for the sake of it. Oh dont worry that i am doing something about it, I'm waiting for the right moment which I won't be sharing on here
Are you starting your own political party. Or are you going to start planning a campaign to be the next Mayor of London.
If so, best to start sharing here, most cost effective way of building up a following.
Caribbean Fawkes
I think he needs a Caribbean queen to calm him down.. I'm fine just dont like where the country is going with this jokey wokey government
Why is the country being more aware of social injustice, especially racism, something you're so opposed to?
Why do you keep repeatedly parroting this strawman argument when you have been told multiple times what woke means in this context?"
Hey.
If people want to use their personal definition of a word, especially if it is vastly different to both the dictionary definition, and vastly different to everyone else's personal definition. What else should we assume? |
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Gonna keep saying until people actually get it - wokeness or being politically correct doesn't mean being aware of social injustices like some of you lot like to believe or being told. It actually means wanting to control what others say and think to suit a specific narrative and its proven even down to films and tv shows you lot watch. |
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"I just wait until Budget Day to prove how terrible Labour are Because they should be lowering taxes, spending more and borrowing less because the Tories left the economy in such a great state and the only reason they aren't is because they are 'terrible Labour'.
This isn't a Politics Forum, it's a comedy club, just with shitty comedians,
Mrs x well I'm not a Tory supporter because quite frankly Tories and Labour are 2 sides of the same coin but let's be honest Keir Starmer won't last 5 years as Prime Minister. In fact I'll be amazed if he even lasts a year
Your not a Tory supporter or a Labour supporter. At least all the other moaners I can understand, got to support your team and all that.
You just like to moan for the sake of it. Oh dont worry that i am doing something about it, I'm waiting for the right moment which I won't be sharing on here
Are you starting your own political party. Or are you going to start planning a campaign to be the next Mayor of London.
If so, best to start sharing here, most cost effective way of building up a following.
Caribbean Fawkes
I think he needs a Caribbean queen to calm him down.. I'm fine just dont like where the country is going with this jokey wokey government
Why is the country being more aware of social injustice, especially racism, something you're so opposed to?
Why do you keep repeatedly parroting this strawman argument when you have been told multiple times what woke means in this context?
Hey.
If people want to use their personal definition of a word, especially if it is vastly different to both the dictionary definition, and vastly different to everyone else's personal definition. What else should we assume? "
Different from dictionary definition? Yes. Different from everyone else's definition? No. You very well know what he meant when he said woke because you have been told this repeatedly.
If you are still saying you don't know, it just shows you are arguing in bad faith making intentional strawman arguments like this. |
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"Gonna keep saying until people actually get it - wokeness or being politically correct doesn't mean being aware of social injustices like some of you lot like to believe or being told.
"
Should we disbelieve everything in the dictionary and make up our own definitions for everything. Or just for this word?
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It actually means wanting to control what others say and think to suit a specific narrative and its proven even down to films and tv shows you lot watch."
To the other chap. This is what I'm talking about. Vastly different to other people's personal definitions. |
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"Gonna keep saying until people actually get it - wokeness or being politically correct doesn't mean being aware of social injustices like some of you lot like to believe or being told.
Should we disbelieve everything in the dictionary and make up our own definitions for everything. Or just for this word?
It actually means wanting to control what others say and think to suit a specific narrative and its proven even down to films and tv shows you lot watch.
To the other chap. This is what I'm talking about. Vastly different to other people's personal definitions."
Not really. This is what people have been telling you in the other threads. This just looks like a lame attempt by you to avoid the actual debate by diverting it. |
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"Gonna keep saying until people actually get it - wokeness or being politically correct doesn't mean being aware of social injustices like some of you lot like to believe or being told.
Should we disbelieve everything in the dictionary and make up our own definitions for everything. Or just for this word?
It actually means wanting to control what others say and think to suit a specific narrative and its proven even down to films and tv shows you lot watch.
To the other chap. This is what I'm talking about. Vastly different to other people's personal definitions.
Not really. This is what people have been telling you in the other threads. This just looks like a lame attempt by you to avoid the actual debate by diverting it."
I'll leave you to your angry posts again.
Questions still stand to the other chap. |
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Should we disbelieve everything in the dictionary and make up our own definitions for everything. Or just for this word?
It actually means wanting to control what others say and think to suit a specific narrative and its proven even down to films and tv shows you lot watch.
To the other chap. This is what I'm talking about. Vastly different to other people's personal definitions."
Sorry Johnny but this isn't my opinion it's facts |
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"Gonna keep saying until people actually get it - wokeness or being politically correct doesn't mean being aware of social injustices like some of you lot like to believe or being told.
Should we disbelieve everything in the dictionary and make up our own definitions for everything. Or just for this word?
It actually means wanting to control what others say and think to suit a specific narrative and its proven even down to films and tv shows you lot watch.
To the other chap. This is what I'm talking about. Vastly different to other people's personal definitions.
Not really. This is what people have been telling you in the other threads. This just looks like a lame attempt by you to avoid the actual debate by diverting it.
I'll leave you to your angry posts again.
Questions still stand to the other chap. "
He gave the definition already. So it's on you now to respond. |
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"It is playing out wonderfully for the leftists in the labour party, the ones that can never get the party into power! Plan B: send in the grey man and remove later.
Exactly. Not sure how people can’t see this. It’s obvious. Nobody is enjoying SKS’s collapse more than the hard left in the Labour Party … biding their time
What's the worst case scenario here? Some imaginary leftist gets into power through the back door and manages to push through some legislation that actually benefits the UK and British people?
It'll never be allowed to happen. "
Worst case. Elect a moderate labour govemrnenf, end up with a loonie left one. Don’t kid yourself, the Marxists are still there, licking their lips, and enjoying the balls he is making of things |
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"Gonna keep saying until people actually get it - wokeness or being politically correct doesn't mean being aware of social injustices like some of you lot like to believe or being told.
Should we disbelieve everything in the dictionary and make up our own definitions for everything. Or just for this word?
It actually means wanting to control what others say and think to suit a specific narrative and its proven even down to films and tv shows you lot watch.
To the other chap. This is what I'm talking about. Vastly different to other people's personal definitions. Sorry Johnny but this isn't my opinion it's facts "
It's a fact that this one single word should have it's dictionary meaning ignored and we all make up our own random definitions?
Interesting claim.
Second question. What is it that the Labour party are controlling you to think? |
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"It is playing out wonderfully for the leftists in the labour party, the ones that can never get the party into power! Plan B: send in the grey man and remove later.
Exactly. Not sure how people can’t see this. It’s obvious. Nobody is enjoying SKS’s collapse more than the hard left in the Labour Party … biding their time
What's the worst case scenario here? Some imaginary leftist gets into power through the back door and manages to push through some legislation that actually benefits the UK and British people?
It'll never be allowed to happen.
Worst case. Elect a moderate labour govemrnenf, end up with a loonie left one. Don’t kid yourself, the Marxists are still there, licking their lips, and enjoying the balls he is making of things "
What's your definition of "loonie left"?
Most of the time that's rolled out on Fab it's used to describe people who understand climate science, people who want to discuss the impact of Brexit, people who think workers should be treated fairly, that kind of thing. |
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"Gonna keep saying until people actually get it - wokeness or being politically correct doesn't mean being aware of social injustices like some of you lot like to believe or being told. It actually means wanting to control what others say and think to suit a specific narrative and its proven even down to films and tv shows you lot watch."
If that's woke, then Putin and Xi Jinping are woke too. |
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"It is playing out wonderfully for the leftists in the labour party, the ones that can never get the party into power! Plan B: send in the grey man and remove later.
Exactly. Not sure how people can’t see this. It’s obvious. Nobody is enjoying SKS’s collapse more than the hard left in the Labour Party … biding their time
What's the worst case scenario here? Some imaginary leftist gets into power through the back door and manages to push through some legislation that actually benefits the UK and British people?
It'll never be allowed to happen.
Worst case. Elect a moderate labour govemrnenf, end up with a loonie left one. Don’t kid yourself, the Marxists are still there, licking their lips, and enjoying the balls he is making of things
What's your definition of "loonie left"?
Most of the time that's rolled out on Fab it's used to describe people who understand climate science, people who want to discuss the impact of Brexit, people who think workers should be treated fairly, that kind of thing. "
The term “loonie left” is not new, and is not as you in have defined it. I’m not going to play word games. |
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"It is playing out wonderfully for the leftists in the labour party, the ones that can never get the party into power! Plan B: send in the grey man and remove later.
Exactly. Not sure how people can’t see this. It’s obvious. Nobody is enjoying SKS’s collapse more than the hard left in the Labour Party … biding their time
What's the worst case scenario here? Some imaginary leftist gets into power through the back door and manages to push through some legislation that actually benefits the UK and British people?
It'll never be allowed to happen.
Worst case. Elect a moderate labour govemrnenf, end up with a loonie left one. Don’t kid yourself, the Marxists are still there, licking their lips, and enjoying the balls he is making of things
What's your definition of "loonie left"?
Most of the time that's rolled out on Fab it's used to describe people who understand climate science, people who want to discuss the impact of Brexit, people who think workers should be treated fairly, that kind of thing.
The term “loonie left” is not new, and is not as you in have defined it. I’m not going to play word games. "
So without defining what your definition of the term is, how is anyone supposed to know what you're so worried about?
You seem to be under the impression that some Marxists are about to take over somehow, is there any evidence to this, who are these Marxists? |
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"It is playing out wonderfully for the leftists in the labour party, the ones that can never get the party into power! Plan B: send in the grey man and remove later.
Exactly. Not sure how people can’t see this. It’s obvious. Nobody is enjoying SKS’s collapse more than the hard left in the Labour Party … biding their time
What's the worst case scenario here? Some imaginary leftist gets into power through the back door and manages to push through some legislation that actually benefits the UK and British people?
It'll never be allowed to happen.
Worst case. Elect a moderate labour govemrnenf, end up with a loonie left one. Don’t kid yourself, the Marxists are still there, licking their lips, and enjoying the balls he is making of things
What's your definition of "loonie left"?
Most of the time that's rolled out on Fab it's used to describe people who understand climate science, people who want to discuss the impact of Brexit, people who think workers should be treated fairly, that kind of thing.
The term “loonie left” is not new, and is not as you in have defined it. I’m not going to play word games.
So without defining what your definition of the term is, how is anyone supposed to know what you're so worried about?
You seem to be under the impression that some Marxists are about to take over somehow, is there any evidence to this, who are these Marxists?"
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"It is playing out wonderfully for the leftists in the labour party, the ones that can never get the party into power! Plan B: send in the grey man and remove later.
Exactly. Not sure how people can’t see this. It’s obvious. Nobody is enjoying SKS’s collapse more than the hard left in the Labour Party … biding their time
What's the worst case scenario here? Some imaginary leftist gets into power through the back door and manages to push through some legislation that actually benefits the UK and British people?
It'll never be allowed to happen.
Worst case. Elect a moderate labour govemrnenf, end up with a loonie left one. Don’t kid yourself, the Marxists are still there, licking their lips, and enjoying the balls he is making of things
What's your definition of "loonie left"?
Most of the time that's rolled out on Fab it's used to describe people who understand climate science, people who want to discuss the impact of Brexit, people who think workers should be treated fairly, that kind of thing.
The term “loonie left” is not new, and is not as you in have defined it. I’m not going to play word games.
So without defining what your definition of the term is, how is anyone supposed to know what you're so worried about?
You seem to be under the impression that some Marxists are about to take over somehow, is there any evidence to this, who are these Marxists?
As I said, I’m not going to play word games with you. "
No word games. Just asking you to explain your claims.
Otherwise it just comes across as a load of nonsense, and that you either don't know what Marxism is, or you've been fed this kind of rhubarb by some dodgy "news" outlet. |
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"Gonna keep saying until people actually get it - wokeness or being politically correct doesn't mean being aware of social injustices like some of you lot like to believe or being told. It actually means wanting to control what others say and think to suit a specific narrative and its proven even down to films and tv shows you lot watch."
That is true for The M-She-U, Disney and Star Wars franchise they are spouting a view and if their view is not respected they call the fans toxic.
Disney is in so much trouble they are charging 1.99 for 3 months things are so bad for them.
Is politics the same? in some ways but corruption is what is going on here and pandering to the rich. |
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"give me a Marxist over a little Englander any day
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Yes because Marxism has brought so much joy and pleasure to mankind eh?"
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"Gonna keep saying until people actually get it - wokeness or being politically correct doesn't mean being aware of social injustices like some of you lot like to believe or being told. It actually means wanting to control what others say and think to suit a specific narrative and its proven even down to films and tv shows you lot watch.
That is true for The M-She-U, Disney and Star Wars franchise they are spouting a view and if their view is not respected they call the fans toxic.
Disney is in so much trouble they are charging 1.99 for 3 months things are so bad for them.
Is politics the same? in some ways but corruption is what is going on here and pandering to the rich."
Disney and Star Wars are trying to control how you think?
Astounding claim. |
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"Gonna keep saying until people actually get it - wokeness or being politically correct doesn't mean being aware of social injustices like some of you lot like to believe or being told.
Should we disbelieve everything in the dictionary and make up our own definitions for everything. Or just for this word?
It actually means wanting to control what others say and think to suit a specific narrative and its proven even down to films and tv shows you lot watch.
To the other chap. This is what I'm talking about. Vastly different to other people's personal definitions. Sorry Johnny but this isn't my opinion it's facts
It's a fact that this one single word should have it's dictionary meaning ignored and we all make up our own random definitions?
Interesting claim.
Second question. What is it that the Labour party are controlling you to think? "
Oh let me think oh thinking that men can be women for one, making us believe there's a £22 billion pound blackhole in the finance without showing us proof that there is just to name a few but theres many |
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"Gonna keep saying until people actually get it - wokeness or being politically correct doesn't mean being aware of social injustices like some of you lot like to believe or being told. It actually means wanting to control what others say and think to suit a specific narrative and its proven even down to films and tv shows you lot watch.
That is true for The M-She-U, Disney and Star Wars franchise they are spouting a view and if their view is not respected they call the fans toxic.
Disney is in so much trouble they are charging 1.99 for 3 months things are so bad for them.
Is politics the same? in some ways but corruption is what is going on here and pandering to the rich.
Disney and Star Wars are trying to control how you think?
Astounding claim."
Not a claim, but an argument between Disney and tube critics which has been going on for two plus years, Southpark even made a parody.
If you are not aware of this, you can look it up,.
But putting that to politics I do not think so. |
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"Gonna keep saying until people actually get it - wokeness or being politically correct doesn't mean being aware of social injustices like some of you lot like to believe or being told.
Should we disbelieve everything in the dictionary and make up our own definitions for everything. Or just for this word?
It actually means wanting to control what others say and think to suit a specific narrative and its proven even down to films and tv shows you lot watch.
To the other chap. This is what I'm talking about. Vastly different to other people's personal definitions. Sorry Johnny but this isn't my opinion it's facts
It's a fact that this one single word should have it's dictionary meaning ignored and we all make up our own random definitions?
Interesting claim.
Second question. What is it that the Labour party are controlling you to think? Oh let me think oh thinking that men can be women for one, "
(For a second I'll ignore that this is completely fabrication) is this is now what you believe because you think they've controlled how you think?
"
making us believe there's a £22 billion pound blackhole in the finance without showing us proof that there is just to name a few but theres many"
Do you include say Reform in your personal definition of "woke"? They're trying to tell people that Brexit was a good idea, and that science isn't real. (And people are believing it). |
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"Gonna keep saying until people actually get it - wokeness or being politically correct doesn't mean being aware of social injustices like some of you lot like to believe or being told. It actually means wanting to control what others say and think to suit a specific narrative and its proven even down to films and tv shows you lot watch.
That is true for The M-She-U, Disney and Star Wars franchise they are spouting a view and if their view is not respected they call the fans toxic.
Disney is in so much trouble they are charging 1.99 for 3 months things are so bad for them.
Is politics the same? in some ways but corruption is what is going on here and pandering to the rich.
Disney and Star Wars are trying to control how you think?
Astounding claim.
Not a claim, but an argument between Disney and tube critics which has been going on for two plus years, Southpark even made a parody.
If you are not aware of this, you can look it up,.
But putting that to politics I do not think so."
Honestly, I don't think Disney is controlling how anyone thinks. So I don't need to trawl through conspiracy sites to try to find something. |
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"Gonna keep saying until people actually get it - wokeness or being politically correct doesn't mean being aware of social injustices like some of you lot like to believe or being told. It actually means wanting to control what others say and think to suit a specific narrative and its proven even down to films and tv shows you lot watch.
That is true for The M-She-U, Disney and Star Wars franchise they are spouting a view and if their view is not respected they call the fans toxic.
Disney is in so much trouble they are charging 1.99 for 3 months things are so bad for them.
Is politics the same? in some ways but corruption is what is going on here and pandering to the rich.
Disney and Star Wars are trying to control how you think?
Astounding claim.
Not a claim, but an argument between Disney and tube critics which has been going on for two plus years, Southpark even made a parody.
If you are not aware of this, you can look it up,.
But putting that to politics I do not think so.
Honestly, I don't think Disney is controlling how anyone thinks. So I don't need to trawl through conspiracy sites to try to find something. "
It is not a theory, it is happening now and has been for quite a while MCU, Disney and Star Wars are now broken brands which is losing billions, as an example dead pool and wolverine were a hit and the movie even mocks the state of things now in the movie industry.
But that has no bearing on politics imo politicians tried to be woke bending the knee anyone, but it didn't go down well did it.
If you do not want to look it up then you really have no comment because you have no idea simple.
Now lets get back to the topic which is how sh1t labour are. |
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"Gonna keep saying until people actually get it - wokeness or being politically correct doesn't mean being aware of social injustices like some of you lot like to believe or being told. It actually means wanting to control what others say and think to suit a specific narrative and its proven even down to films and tv shows you lot watch.
That is true for The M-She-U, Disney and Star Wars franchise they are spouting a view and if their view is not respected they call the fans toxic.
Disney is in so much trouble they are charging 1.99 for 3 months things are so bad for them.
Is politics the same? in some ways but corruption is what is going on here and pandering to the rich.
Disney and Star Wars are trying to control how you think?
Astounding claim.
Not a claim, but an argument between Disney and tube critics which has been going on for two plus years, Southpark even made a parody.
If you are not aware of this, you can look it up,.
But putting that to politics I do not think so.
Honestly, I don't think Disney is controlling how anyone thinks. So I don't need to trawl through conspiracy sites to try to find something.
It is not a theory, it is happening now and has been for quite a while MCU, Disney and Star Wars are now broken brands which is losing billions, as an example dead pool and wolverine were a hit and the movie even mocks the state of things now in the movie industry.
"
If this is true, how is this related to them allegedly trying to control how you think?
"
But that has no bearing on politics imo politicians tried to be woke bending the knee anyone, but it didn't go down well did it.
"
What is "bending the knee to anyone" referring to?
"
If you do not want to look it up then you really have no comment because you have no idea simple.
Now lets get back to the topic which is how sh1t labour are."
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That is true for The M-She-U, Disney and Star Wars franchise they are spouting a view and if their view is not respected they call the fans toxic.
Disney is in so much trouble they are charging 1.99 for 3 months things are so bad for them.
Is politics the same? in some ways but corruption is what is going on here and pandering to the rich.
Disney and Star Wars are trying to control how you think?
Astounding claim.
Not a claim, but an argument between Disney and tube critics which has been going on for two plus years, Southpark even made a parody.
If you are not aware of this, you can look it up,.
But putting that to politics I do not think so.
Honestly, I don't think Disney is controlling how anyone thinks. So I don't need to trawl through conspiracy sites to try to find something.
It is not a theory, it is happening now and has been for quite a while MCU, Disney and Star Wars are now broken brands which is losing billions, as an example dead pool and wolverine were a hit and the movie even mocks the state of things now in the movie industry.
If this is true, how is this related to them allegedly trying to control how you think?
But that has no bearing on politics imo politicians tried to be woke bending the knee anyone, but it didn't go down well did it.
What is "bending the knee to anyone" referring to?
If you do not want to look it up then you really have no comment because you have no idea simple.
Now lets get back to the topic which is how sh1t labour are.
Yes fair enough. Go for it. "
Look it up my man, if you do not then you have no comment.
People who have an opinion on a subject they are not aware of and who do not research but still offer an opinion are called ignorant.
Glad that is now cleared up.
Lets get back to labour. |
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That is true for The M-She-U, Disney and Star Wars franchise they are spouting a view and if their view is not respected they call the fans toxic.
Disney is in so much trouble they are charging 1.99 for 3 months things are so bad for them.
Is politics the same? in some ways but corruption is what is going on here and pandering to the rich.
Disney and Star Wars are trying to control how you think?
Astounding claim.
Not a claim, but an argument between Disney and tube critics which has been going on for two plus years, Southpark even made a parody.
If you are not aware of this, you can look it up,.
But putting that to politics I do not think so.
Honestly, I don't think Disney is controlling how anyone thinks. So I don't need to trawl through conspiracy sites to try to find something.
It is not a theory, it is happening now and has been for quite a while MCU, Disney and Star Wars are now broken brands which is losing billions, as an example dead pool and wolverine were a hit and the movie even mocks the state of things now in the movie industry.
If this is true, how is this related to them allegedly trying to control how you think?
But that has no bearing on politics imo politicians tried to be woke bending the knee anyone, but it didn't go down well did it.
What is "bending the knee to anyone" referring to?
If you do not want to look it up then you really have no comment because you have no idea simple.
Now lets get back to the topic which is how sh1t labour are.
Yes fair enough. Go for it.
Look it up my man, if you do not then you have no comment.
"
Where would you suggest I look up some information about Disney trying to control how people think?
"
People who have an opinion on a subject they are not aware of and who do not research but still offer an opinion are called ignorant.
Glad that is now cleared up.
"
In this case, you're correct, I am ignorant of this bizarre conspiracy theory.
"
Lets get back to labour."
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"Gonna keep saying until people actually get it - wokeness or being politically correct doesn't mean being aware of social injustices like some of you lot like to believe or being told. It actually means wanting to control what others say and think to suit a specific narrative and its proven even down to films and tv shows you lot watch.
That is true for The M-She-U, Disney and Star Wars franchise they are spouting a view and if their view is not respected they call the fans toxic.
Disney is in so much trouble they are charging 1.99 for 3 months things are so bad for them.
Is politics the same? in some ways but corruption is what is going on here and pandering to the rich.
Disney and Star Wars are trying to control how you think?
Astounding claim.
Not a claim, but an argument between Disney and tube critics which has been going on for two plus years, Southpark even made a parody.
If you are not aware of this, you can look it up,.
But putting that to politics I do not think so.
Honestly, I don't think Disney is controlling how anyone thinks. So I don't need to trawl through conspiracy sites to try to find something.
It is not a theory, it is happening now and has been for quite a while MCU, Disney and Star Wars are now broken brands which is losing billions, as an example dead pool and wolverine were a hit and the movie even mocks the state of things now in the movie industry.
If this is true, how is this related to them allegedly trying to control how you think?
But that has no bearing on politics imo politicians tried to be woke bending the knee anyone, but it didn't go down well did it.
What is "bending the knee to anyone" referring to?
If you do not want to look it up then you really have no comment because you have no idea simple.
Now lets get back to the topic which is how sh1t labour are.
Yes fair enough. Go for it.
Look it up my man, if you do not then you have no comment.
Where would you suggest I look up some information about Disney trying to control how people think?
People who have an opinion on a subject they are not aware of and who do not research but still offer an opinion are called ignorant.
Glad that is now cleared up.
In this case, you're correct, I am ignorant of this bizarre conspiracy theory.
Lets get back to labour.
Crack on."
I suggest that you put in your search engine "Disney woke backlash"
and to be clear I am not the poster stating Disney are trying to control minds
I am the poster posting Disney is woke I agree, but I do not think woke is in politics as they already tried that and it didn't work. |
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That is true for The M-She-U, Disney and Star Wars franchise they are spouting a view and if their view is not respected they call the fans toxic.
Disney is in so much trouble they are charging 1.99 for 3 months things are so bad for them.
Is politics the same? in some ways but corruption is what is going on here and pandering to the rich.
Disney and Star Wars are trying to control how you think?
Astounding claim.
Not a claim, but an argument between Disney and tube critics which has been going on for two plus years, Southpark even made a parody.
If you are not aware of this, you can look it up,.
But putting that to politics I do not think so.
Honestly, I don't think Disney is controlling how anyone thinks. So I don't need to trawl through conspiracy sites to try to find something.
It is not a theory, it is happening now and has been for quite a while MCU, Disney and Star Wars are now broken brands which is losing billions, as an example dead pool and wolverine were a hit and the movie even mocks the state of things now in the movie industry.
If this is true, how is this related to them allegedly trying to control how you think?
But that has no bearing on politics imo politicians tried to be woke bending the knee anyone, but it didn't go down well did it.
What is "bending the knee to anyone" referring to?
If you do not want to look it up then you really have no comment because you have no idea simple.
Now lets get back to the topic which is how sh1t labour are.
Yes fair enough. Go for it.
Look it up my man, if you do not then you have no comment.
Where would you suggest I look up some information about Disney trying to control how people think?
People who have an opinion on a subject they are not aware of and who do not research but still offer an opinion are called ignorant.
Glad that is now cleared up.
In this case, you're correct, I am ignorant of this bizarre conspiracy theory.
Lets get back to labour.
Crack on.
I suggest that you put in your search engine "Disney woke backlash"
and to be clear I am not the poster stating Disney are trying to control minds
I am the poster posting Disney is woke I agree, but I do not think woke is in politics as they already tried that and it didn't work."
Ah okay. So what's your personal definition of "woke"? I'm assuming it differs from the "controlling how people think" that the other guy has, and I'm assuming it's different to the dictionary definition?
I googled "Disney woke backlash", the top story is about people being outraged that they removed a ride at their parks that had racist connotations. This fits pretty well the dictionary definition of "woke" and it's the standard kind of backlash from people who don't feel like they have as many safe spaces to be open racist as they once did. |
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"Gonna keep saying until people actually get it - wokeness or being politically correct doesn't mean being aware of social injustices like some of you lot like to believe or being told. It actually means wanting to control what others say and think to suit a specific narrative and its proven even down to films and tv shows you lot watch.
That is true for The M-She-U, Disney and Star Wars franchise they are spouting a view and if their view is not respected they call the fans toxic.
Disney is in so much trouble they are charging 1.99 for 3 months things are so bad for them.
Is politics the same? in some ways but corruption is what is going on here and pandering to the rich.
Disney and Star Wars are trying to control how you think?
Astounding claim.
Not a claim, but an argument between Disney and tube critics which has been going on for two plus years, Southpark even made a parody.
If you are not aware of this, you can look it up,.
But putting that to politics I do not think so.
Honestly, I don't think Disney is controlling how anyone thinks. So I don't need to trawl through conspiracy sites to try to find something.
It is not a theory, it is happening now and has been for quite a while MCU, Disney and Star Wars are now broken brands which is losing billions, as an example dead pool and wolverine were a hit and the movie even mocks the state of things now in the movie industry.
If this is true, how is this related to them allegedly trying to control how you think?
But that has no bearing on politics imo politicians tried to be woke bending the knee anyone, but it didn't go down well did it.
What is "bending the knee to anyone" referring to?
If you do not want to look it up then you really have no comment because you have no idea simple.
Now lets get back to the topic which is how sh1t labour are.
Yes fair enough. Go for it.
Look it up my man, if you do not then you have no comment.
Where would you suggest I look up some information about Disney trying to control how people think?
People who have an opinion on a subject they are not aware of and who do not research but still offer an opinion are called ignorant.
Glad that is now cleared up.
In this case, you're correct, I am ignorant of this bizarre conspiracy theory.
Lets get back to labour.
Crack on.
I suggest that you put in your search engine "Disney woke backlash"
and to be clear I am not the poster stating Disney are trying to control minds
I am the poster posting Disney is woke I agree, but I do not think woke is in politics as they already tried that and it didn't work.
Ah okay. So what's your personal definition of "woke"? I'm assuming it differs from the "controlling how people think" that the other guy has, and I'm assuming it's different to the dictionary definition?
I googled "Disney woke backlash", the top story is about people being outraged that they removed a ride at their parks that had racist connotations. This fits pretty well the dictionary definition of "woke" and it's the standard kind of backlash from people who don't feel like they have as many safe spaces to be open racist as they once did. "
Are views are pretty much alined, if you look back at previous threads
I do have an issue with woke as the Francises I watch are now unrecognisable to me and I invested money in these Francises.
As I said Southpark did a P take out of Disney .
But is it in politics I think not, corruption and greed and the quest for power, that's what politics is now no matter what party as business run the show now corporations and such they have power to hire and fire they lobby governments give gifts and now can sit at the cabinet table and give direct influence.
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I googled "Disney woke backlash", the top story is about people being outraged that they removed a ride at their parks that had racist connotations. This fits pretty well the dictionary definition of "woke" and it's the standard kind of backlash from people who don't feel like they have as many safe spaces to be open racist as they once did. "
Did you even read what those "racist connotations" are?
The Disney ride itself wasn't racist. It was based on a musical set in 1946 which apparently depicted black people to be happy after the civil war, which apparently wasn't the case. I don't know how a fictional story that depicts black people as happy is suddenly racist.
If you want to go that far, should we stop glorifying Einstein because he was a racist and Newton because of his links to sl&ve trade?
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"Gonna keep saying until people actually get it - wokeness or being politically correct doesn't mean being aware of social injustices like some of you lot like to believe or being told. It actually means wanting to control what others say and think to suit a specific narrative and its proven even down to films and tv shows you lot watch.
That is true for The M-She-U, Disney and Star Wars franchise they are spouting a view and if their view is not respected they call the fans toxic.
Disney is in so much trouble they are charging 1.99 for 3 months things are so bad for them.
Is politics the same? in some ways but corruption is what is going on here and pandering to the rich.
Disney and Star Wars are trying to control how you think?
Astounding claim.
Not a claim, but an argument between Disney and tube critics which has been going on for two plus years, Southpark even made a parody.
If you are not aware of this, you can look it up,.
But putting that to politics I do not think so.
Honestly, I don't think Disney is controlling how anyone thinks. So I don't need to trawl through conspiracy sites to try to find something.
It is not a theory, it is happening now and has been for quite a while MCU, Disney and Star Wars are now broken brands which is losing billions, as an example dead pool and wolverine were a hit and the movie even mocks the state of things now in the movie industry.
If this is true, how is this related to them allegedly trying to control how you think?
But that has no bearing on politics imo politicians tried to be woke bending the knee anyone, but it didn't go down well did it.
What is "bending the knee to anyone" referring to?
If you do not want to look it up then you really have no comment because you have no idea simple.
Now lets get back to the topic which is how sh1t labour are.
Yes fair enough. Go for it.
Look it up my man, if you do not then you have no comment.
Where would you suggest I look up some information about Disney trying to control how people think?
People who have an opinion on a subject they are not aware of and who do not research but still offer an opinion are called ignorant.
Glad that is now cleared up.
In this case, you're correct, I am ignorant of this bizarre conspiracy theory.
Lets get back to labour.
Crack on.
I suggest that you put in your search engine "Disney woke backlash"
and to be clear I am not the poster stating Disney are trying to control minds
I am the poster posting Disney is woke I agree, but I do not think woke is in politics as they already tried that and it didn't work.
Ah okay. So what's your personal definition of "woke"? I'm assuming it differs from the "controlling how people think" that the other guy has, and I'm assuming it's different to the dictionary definition?
I googled "Disney woke backlash", the top story is about people being outraged that they removed a ride at their parks that had racist connotations. This fits pretty well the dictionary definition of "woke" and it's the standard kind of backlash from people who don't feel like they have as many safe spaces to be open racist as they once did.
Are views are pretty much alined, if you look back at previous threads
I do have an issue with woke as the Francises I watch are now unrecognisable to me and I invested money in these Francises.
As I said Southpark did a P take out of Disney .
But is it in politics I think not, corruption and greed and the quest for power, that's what politics is now no matter what party as business run the show now corporations and such they have power to hire and fire they lobby governments give gifts and now can sit at the cabinet table and give direct influence.
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Everyone who uses "woke" in a derogatory way seems to have their own definition of it. So it's impossible to say if it's in politics or not.
Personally I want my politicians to be aware of social injustice. If they're not even aware of it, how are they supposed to deal with it.
As for the rest, the political system is set up to keep those with all the power and money at the top. No one offering any real change will be allowed near power. |
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I'm guessing that you only read the Google summary of the article. The article itself gives some examples of 'woke' at Disney. If you want a proper perspective, read the Spiked article that's second in the list. You might not agree with most of it, but it's a good run down of why Disney is getting accused of letting 'woke' go too far. |
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"I googled "Disney woke backlash", the top story is about people being outraged that they removed a ride at their parks that had racist connotations. This fits pretty well the dictionary definition of "woke" and it's the standard kind of backlash from people who don't feel like they have as many safe spaces to be open racist as they once did.
I'm guessing that you only read the Google summary of the article. The article itself gives some examples of 'woke' at Disney. If you want a proper perspective, read the Spiked article that's second in the list. You might not agree with most of it, but it's a good run down of why Disney is getting accused of letting 'woke' go too far."
Before I delve into this article, is their definition of "woke" the "controlling what people think" version that we've been chatting about, the dictionary definition, or some other? |
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I do not think that labour in free fall has anything to do with woke, I think labour is in free fall because they promised change and are yet to even start delivering it.
Instead I hear with no surprise that the tories have messed things up, we will have to make tough decisions that do not include the rich or corporations, it will be the disabled, children and pensioners thus far.
Stop voting full stop, it is a protest they can do nothing about, but listen. |
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"I'm guessing that you only read the Google summary of the article. The article itself gives some examples of 'woke' at Disney. If you want a proper perspective, read the Spiked article that's second in the list. You might not agree with most of it, but it's a good run down of why Disney is getting accused of letting 'woke' go too far."
"Before I delve into this article, is their definition of "woke" the "controlling what people think" version that we've been chatting about, the dictionary definition, or some other?"
It's the 'taking inclusivity too far' definition. Disney are packing their output with minority characters, and writing plotlines that are thinly disguised moral lessons. I'm sure the other guy would see that as them telling us what to think. I'm also sure that you won't see it that way.
Either way, Disney is losing a lot of money producing stuff that people just don't want to watch. They spent a hell of a lot of money on the Marvel and Star Wars franchises, and they seem to have alienated most of the life-long fans, whilst also failing to generate a new loyal following. |
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"I googled "Disney woke backlash", the top story is about people being outraged that they removed a ride at their parks that had racist connotations. This fits pretty well the dictionary definition of "woke" and it's the standard kind of backlash from people who don't feel like they have as many safe spaces to be open racist as they once did.
I'm guessing that you only read the Google summary of the article. The article itself gives some examples of 'woke' at Disney. If you want a proper perspective, read the Spiked article that's second in the list. You might not agree with most of it, but it's a good run down of why Disney is getting accused of letting 'woke' go too far.
Before I delve into this article, is their definition of "woke" the "controlling what people think" version that we've been chatting about, the dictionary definition, or some other?
It's the 'taking inclusivity too far' definition. Disney are packing their output with minority characters, and writing plotlines that are thinly disguised moral lessons. I'm sure the other guy would see that as them telling us what to think. I'm also sure that you won't see it that way.
Either way, Disney is losing a lot of money producing stuff that people just don't want to watch. They spent a hell of a lot of money on the Marvel and Star Wars franchises, and they seem to have alienated most of the life-long fans, whilst also failing to generate a new loyal following."
Blimey, if having minority characters in movies counts as 'controlling how we think' then some people must be extremely weak minded.
So should I take from it that people who are worried about "the woke" are extremely easily manipulated, and can be made to think things based on something as trivial as minorities being cast in roles in movies?
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"Gonna keep saying until people actually get it - wokeness or being politically correct doesn't mean being aware of social injustices like some of you lot like to believe or being told. It actually means wanting to control what others say and think to suit a specific narrative and its proven even down to films and tv shows you lot watch.
That is true for The M-She-U, Disney and Star Wars franchise they are spouting a view and if their view is not respected they call the fans toxic.
Disney is in so much trouble they are charging 1.99 for 3 months things are so bad for them.
Is politics the same? in some ways but corruption is what is going on here and pandering to the rich.
Disney and Star Wars are trying to control how you think?
Astounding claim.
Not a claim, but an argument between Disney and tube critics which has been going on for two plus years, Southpark even made a parody.
If you are not aware of this, you can look it up,.
But putting that to politics I do not think so.
Honestly, I don't think Disney is controlling how anyone thinks. So I don't need to trawl through conspiracy sites to try to find something.
It is not a theory, it is happening now and has been for quite a while MCU, Disney and Star Wars are now broken brands which is losing billions, as an example dead pool and wolverine were a hit and the movie even mocks the state of things now in the movie industry.
If this is true, how is this related to them allegedly trying to control how you think?
But that has no bearing on politics imo politicians tried to be woke bending the knee anyone, but it didn't go down well did it.
What is "bending the knee to anyone" referring to?
If you do not want to look it up then you really have no comment because you have no idea simple.
Now lets get back to the topic which is how sh1t labour are.
Yes fair enough. Go for it.
Look it up my man, if you do not then you have no comment.
Where would you suggest I look up some information about Disney trying to control how people think?
People who have an opinion on a subject they are not aware of and who do not research but still offer an opinion are called ignorant.
Glad that is now cleared up.
In this case, you're correct, I am ignorant of this bizarre conspiracy theory.
Lets get back to labour.
Crack on.
I suggest that you put in your search engine "Disney woke backlash"
and to be clear I am not the poster stating Disney are trying to control minds
I am the poster posting Disney is woke I agree, but I do not think woke is in politics as they already tried that and it didn't work.
Ah okay. So what's your personal definition of "woke"? I'm assuming it differs from the "controlling how people think" that the other guy has, and I'm assuming it's different to the dictionary definition?
I googled "Disney woke backlash", the top story is about people being outraged that they removed a ride at their parks that had racist connotations. This fits pretty well the dictionary definition of "woke" and it's the standard kind of backlash from people who don't feel like they have as many safe spaces to be open racist as they once did. "
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"Gonna keep saying until people actually get it - wokeness or being politically correct doesn't mean being aware of social injustices like some of you lot like to believe or being told. It actually means wanting to control what others say and think to suit a specific narrative and its proven even down to films and tv shows you lot watch.
That is true for The M-She-U, Disney and Star Wars franchise they are spouting a view and if their view is not respected they call the fans toxic.
Disney is in so much trouble they are charging 1.99 for 3 months things are so bad for them.
Is politics the same? in some ways but corruption is what is going on here and pandering to the rich.
Disney and Star Wars are trying to control how you think?
Astounding claim.
Not a claim, but an argument between Disney and tube critics which has been going on for two plus years, Southpark even made a parody.
If you are not aware of this, you can look it up,.
But putting that to politics I do not think so.
Honestly, I don't think Disney is controlling how anyone thinks. So I don't need to trawl through conspiracy sites to try to find something.
It is not a theory, it is happening now and has been for quite a while MCU, Disney and Star Wars are now broken brands which is losing billions, as an example dead pool and wolverine were a hit and the movie even mocks the state of things now in the movie industry.
If this is true, how is this related to them allegedly trying to control how you think?
But that has no bearing on politics imo politicians tried to be woke bending the knee anyone, but it didn't go down well did it.
What is "bending the knee to anyone" referring to?
If you do not want to look it up then you really have no comment because you have no idea simple.
Now lets get back to the topic which is how sh1t labour are.
Yes fair enough. Go for it.
Look it up my man, if you do not then you have no comment.
Where would you suggest I look up some information about Disney trying to control how people think?
People who have an opinion on a subject they are not aware of and who do not research but still offer an opinion are called ignorant.
Glad that is now cleared up.
In this case, you're correct, I am ignorant of this bizarre conspiracy theory.
Lets get back to labour.
Crack on.
I suggest that you put in your search engine "Disney woke backlash"
and to be clear I am not the poster stating Disney are trying to control minds
I am the poster posting Disney is woke I agree, but I do not think woke is in politics as they already tried that and it didn't work.
Ah okay. So what's your personal definition of "woke"? I'm assuming it differs from the "controlling how people think" that the other guy has, and I'm assuming it's different to the dictionary definition?
I googled "Disney woke backlash", the top story is about people being outraged that they removed a ride at their parks that had racist connotations. This fits pretty well the dictionary definition of "woke" and it's the standard kind of backlash from people who don't feel like they have as many safe spaces to be open racist as they once did.
Oh god … more word games and demands for definitions "
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"Gonna keep saying until people actually get it - wokeness or being politically correct doesn't mean being aware of social injustices like some of you lot like to believe or being told. It actually means wanting to control what others say and think to suit a specific narrative and its proven even down to films and tv shows you lot watch.
That is true for The M-She-U, Disney and Star Wars franchise they are spouting a view and if their view is not respected they call the fans toxic.
Disney is in so much trouble they are charging 1.99 for 3 months things are so bad for them.
Is politics the same? in some ways but corruption is what is going on here and pandering to the rich.
Disney and Star Wars are trying to control how you think?
Astounding claim.
Not a claim, but an argument between Disney and tube critics which has been going on for two plus years, Southpark even made a parody.
If you are not aware of this, you can look it up,.
But putting that to politics I do not think so.
Honestly, I don't think Disney is controlling how anyone thinks. So I don't need to trawl through conspiracy sites to try to find something.
It is not a theory, it is happening now and has been for quite a while MCU, Disney and Star Wars are now broken brands which is losing billions, as an example dead pool and wolverine were a hit and the movie even mocks the state of things now in the movie industry.
If this is true, how is this related to them allegedly trying to control how you think?
But that has no bearing on politics imo politicians tried to be woke bending the knee anyone, but it didn't go down well did it.
What is "bending the knee to anyone" referring to?
If you do not want to look it up then you really have no comment because you have no idea simple.
Now lets get back to the topic which is how sh1t labour are.
Yes fair enough. Go for it.
Look it up my man, if you do not then you have no comment.
Where would you suggest I look up some information about Disney trying to control how people think?
People who have an opinion on a subject they are not aware of and who do not research but still offer an opinion are called ignorant.
Glad that is now cleared up.
In this case, you're correct, I am ignorant of this bizarre conspiracy theory.
Lets get back to labour.
Crack on.
I suggest that you put in your search engine "Disney woke backlash"
and to be clear I am not the poster stating Disney are trying to control minds
I am the poster posting Disney is woke I agree, but I do not think woke is in politics as they already tried that and it didn't work.
Ah okay. So what's your personal definition of "woke"? I'm assuming it differs from the "controlling how people think" that the other guy has, and I'm assuming it's different to the dictionary definition?
I googled "Disney woke backlash", the top story is about people being outraged that they removed a ride at their parks that had racist connotations. This fits pretty well the dictionary definition of "woke" and it's the standard kind of backlash from people who don't feel like they have as many safe spaces to be open racist as they once did.
Are views are pretty much alined, if you look back at previous threads
I do have an issue with woke as the Francises I watch are now unrecognisable to me and I invested money in these Francises.
As I said Southpark did a P take out of Disney .
But is it in politics I think not, corruption and greed and the quest for power, that's what politics is now no matter what party as business run the show now corporations and such they have power to hire and fire they lobby governments give gifts and now can sit at the cabinet table and give direct influence.
Everyone who uses "woke" in a derogatory way seems to have their own definition of it. So it's impossible to say if it's in politics or not.
Personally I want my politicians to be aware of social injustice. If they're not even aware of it, how are they supposed to deal with it.
As for the rest, the political system is set up to keep those with all the power and money at the top. No one offering any real change will be allowed near power."
Again? There is nothing to stop you running for parliament if you think you have good ideas.
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I'm guessing that you only read the Google summary of the article. The article itself gives some examples of 'woke' at Disney. If you want a proper perspective, read the Spiked article that's second in the list. You might not agree with most of it, but it's a good run down of why Disney is getting accused of letting 'woke' go too far.
Before I delve into this article, is their definition of "woke" the "controlling what people think" version that we've been chatting about, the dictionary definition, or some other?
It's the 'taking inclusivity too far' definition. Disney are packing their output with minority characters, and writing plotlines that are thinly disguised moral lessons. I'm sure the other guy would see that as them telling us what to think. I'm also sure that you won't see it that way.
Either way, Disney is losing a lot of money producing stuff that people just don't want to watch. They spent a hell of a lot of money on the Marvel and Star Wars franchises, and they seem to have alienated most of the life-long fans, whilst also failing to generate a new loyal following."
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"Gonna keep saying until people actually get it - wokeness or being politically correct doesn't mean being aware of social injustices like some of you lot like to believe or being told. It actually means wanting to control what others say and think to suit a specific narrative and its proven even down to films and tv shows you lot watch.
That is true for The M-She-U, Disney and Star Wars franchise they are spouting a view and if their view is not respected they call the fans toxic.
Disney is in so much trouble they are charging 1.99 for 3 months things are so bad for them.
Is politics the same? in some ways but corruption is what is going on here and pandering to the rich.
Disney and Star Wars are trying to control how you think?
Astounding claim.
Not a claim, but an argument between Disney and tube critics which has been going on for two plus years, Southpark even made a parody.
If you are not aware of this, you can look it up,.
But putting that to politics I do not think so.
Honestly, I don't think Disney is controlling how anyone thinks. So I don't need to trawl through conspiracy sites to try to find something.
It is not a theory, it is happening now and has been for quite a while MCU, Disney and Star Wars are now broken brands which is losing billions, as an example dead pool and wolverine were a hit and the movie even mocks the state of things now in the movie industry.
If this is true, how is this related to them allegedly trying to control how you think?
But that has no bearing on politics imo politicians tried to be woke bending the knee anyone, but it didn't go down well did it.
What is "bending the knee to anyone" referring to?
If you do not want to look it up then you really have no comment because you have no idea simple.
Now lets get back to the topic which is how sh1t labour are.
Yes fair enough. Go for it.
Look it up my man, if you do not then you have no comment.
Where would you suggest I look up some information about Disney trying to control how people think?
People who have an opinion on a subject they are not aware of and who do not research but still offer an opinion are called ignorant.
Glad that is now cleared up.
In this case, you're correct, I am ignorant of this bizarre conspiracy theory.
Lets get back to labour.
Crack on.
I suggest that you put in your search engine "Disney woke backlash"
and to be clear I am not the poster stating Disney are trying to control minds
I am the poster posting Disney is woke I agree, but I do not think woke is in politics as they already tried that and it didn't work.
Ah okay. So what's your personal definition of "woke"? I'm assuming it differs from the "controlling how people think" that the other guy has, and I'm assuming it's different to the dictionary definition?
I googled "Disney woke backlash", the top story is about people being outraged that they removed a ride at their parks that had racist connotations. This fits pretty well the dictionary definition of "woke" and it's the standard kind of backlash from people who don't feel like they have as many safe spaces to be open racist as they once did.
Are views are pretty much alined, if you look back at previous threads
I do have an issue with woke as the Francises I watch are now unrecognisable to me and I invested money in these Francises.
As I said Southpark did a P take out of Disney .
But is it in politics I think not, corruption and greed and the quest for power, that's what politics is now no matter what party as business run the show now corporations and such they have power to hire and fire they lobby governments give gifts and now can sit at the cabinet table and give direct influence.
Everyone who uses "woke" in a derogatory way seems to have their own definition of it. So it's impossible to say if it's in politics or not.
Personally I want my politicians to be aware of social injustice. If they're not even aware of it, how are they supposed to deal with it.
As for the rest, the political system is set up to keep those with all the power and money at the top. No one offering any real change will be allowed near power.
Again? There is nothing to stop you running for parliament if you think you have good ideas.
There are no real barriers to entry. "
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Not always, but many of them have a moral background to an interesting plotline. More recently they have been forgetting to add the interesting plotline, and just focusing on the morals. |
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Not always, but many of them have a moral background to an interesting plotline. More recently they have been forgetting to add the interesting plotline, and just focusing on the morals."
As an avid movie watcher following many movie forums, I agree that movie-goers don't mind moral lessons as long as there is a good plot and the morals are there as a supplement the plot.
If we just want moral lessons with nothing else that's interesting, we would rather read philosophical books instead of going for arts. And going by the track record so far, if someone makes a "brave casting choice" just for the sake of diversity, we can reasonably assume that the movie is going to be shit. The brave casting choice is usually a desperate attempt at grabbing attention to a project that is bound to fail. |
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"Gonna keep saying until people actually get it - wokeness or being politically correct doesn't mean being aware of social injustices like some of you lot like to believe or being told.
Should we disbelieve everything in the dictionary and make up our own definitions for everything. Or just for this word?
It actually means wanting to control what others say and think to suit a specific narrative and its proven even down to films and tv shows you lot watch.
To the other chap. This is what I'm talking about. Vastly different to other people's personal definitions. Sorry Johnny but this isn't my opinion it's facts
It's a fact that this one single word should have it's dictionary meaning ignored and we all make up our own random definitions?
Interesting claim.
Second question. What is it that the Labour party are controlling you to think? Oh let me think oh thinking that men can be women for one,
(For a second I'll ignore that this is completely fabrication) is this is now what you believe because you think they've controlled how you think?
making us believe there's a £22 billion pound blackhole in the finance without showing us proof that there is just to name a few but theres many
Do you include say Reform in your personal definition of "woke"? They're trying to tell people that Brexit was a good idea, and that science isn't real. (And people are believing it)."
Reform are saying Brexit was a good thing but not the way that we left the EU considering there was no plan for it which is dangerous and as for for Science again they dont deny the the climate is changing but not in the doomsday way that some of you believe |
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