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By *atEvolution OP Couple 8 weeks ago
atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke |
Freeze the pensioners to Death - (Labours own research and Report 2017)
Most prisoners released have no home to go to - so will most likely re-offend and go back to prison. The prisoners are saying this themselves when interviewed today.
Give above inflation rises to the Unions.
What the Actual FFFFFFFFFFFFFF!
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The prison problem and our inability to develop effective rehabilitation, has festered badly since 2010. We should do so much more than just removing liberty and then kicking prisoners out, after we've seeded cultivation of criminality. We're such fools to have tolerated this for so long.
2 wrongs don't make a right. The current government is wrong to have imposed this cut for heating costs that people budget for over many months. |
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"Would love to know who actually voted for labour?
Seems when you ask peeps in conversation, everyone denies voting for the crank army
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I can happily say with a clear conscious that I didn't vote for the Tories and worse this current Government that we at the moment |
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"I keep getting this image of Sir Kier Starmer walking past a Pensioner and kicking the stick from beneath him.
What a nasty little C**T He's turning out to be !!!"
lol turning out to be, ya could tell what sort of person he was just from the forced smile and shiny face, bloke always looks like he has just been caught doing something he shouldnt have been doing |
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What is so funny is the rage and indignation of the ill-informed.
Early release of prisoners was a Tory policy brought in by Sunak's Government.
Theresa May's 2017 _anifesto proposed means testing the Winter Fuel Allowance.
Why should hard working families, who are struggling with high taxes, low wages be subsidising millionaire pensioners to the tune of £200/£300 a year?
WFA has NOT been taken away from any pensioner on Pension Credit. The challenge is to make sure all those who can claim do so. |
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"Freeze the pensioners to Death - (Labours own research and Report 2017)
Most prisoners released have no home to go to - so will most likely re-offend and go back to prison. The prisoners are saying this themselves when interviewed today.
Give above inflation rises to the Unions.
What the Actual FFFFFFFFFFFFFF!
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It's their first big achievement and come so quickly since taking office. Sending millions into fuel poverty at a single stroke. How proud they must be. |
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By *otMe66Man 8 weeks ago
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"Freeze the pensioners to Death - (Labours own research and Report 2017)
Most prisoners released have no home to go to - so will most likely re-offend and go back to prison. The prisoners are saying this themselves when interviewed today.
Give above inflation rises to the Unions.
What the Actual FFFFFFFFFFFFFF!
It's their first big achievement and come so quickly since taking office. Sending millions into fuel poverty at a single stroke. How proud they must be. "
I'm really surprised that the populist left have been saying for the last 14 years that the right wing had no heart or empathy.
That horseshoe theory is looking stronger than ever. |
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"What is so funny is the rage and indignation of the ill-informed.
Early release of prisoners was a Tory policy brought in by Sunak's Government.
Theresa May's 2017 _anifesto proposed means testing the Winter Fuel Allowance.
Why should hard working families, who are struggling with high taxes, low wages be subsidising millionaire pensioners to the tune of £200/£300 a year?
WFA has NOT been taken away from any pensioner on Pension Credit. The challenge is to make sure all those who can claim do so. "
Its almost like all these policies are actually put forward by unelected government institutions. Of course the elected PM is just nudged towards choosing from the predetermined selection of polices. |
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"What is so funny is the rage and indignation of the ill-informed.
Early release of prisoners was a Tory policy brought in by Sunak's Government.
Theresa May's 2017 _anifesto proposed means testing the Winter Fuel Allowance.
Why should hard working families, who are struggling with high taxes, low wages be subsidising millionaire pensioners to the tune of £200/£300 a year?
WFA has NOT been taken away from any pensioner on Pension Credit. The challenge is to make sure all those who can claim do so.
Its almost like all these policies are actually put forward by unelected government institutions. Of course the elected PM is just nudged towards choosing from the predetermined selection of polices."
Yes Civil Servants advise, Ministers decide. It's been like that for decades.
New government thinks we need to get our finances under control. Asks civil servants for recommendations.
i Newspaper reports that means testing WFA haa been on the agenda since 2010 but no Tory government would touch it because they rely on the pensioner vote. Theresa May in 2017 is the exception but she lost her majority. |
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By *I TwoCouple 8 weeks ago
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Millions of pensioners on pension credit will still get the fuel allowance, I think the uptake for pension credit is only about 60-70% so there's scope for people to claim.
As has been said many times, many pensioners have no need of the fuel allowance
In balance I think it's fair and reasonable, freezing income tax allowance and cutting NI now that's a different matter and daylight robbery on pensioners |
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I think alot of pensioners will leave what little money they have when they pass away to a snail farm in Asia to teach the goverment a lesson.
Scrapping the winter fuel payment isn't helping working people the opposite because that payment goes back into the economy one way or another, even the working people in the fuel companies spend some of it into the economy when it reaches them, they may buy a car, buy food, pay a bill, go on holiday in Cornwall.
Simple economics, flow of money.
Looks like someone's head is disappearing up his ass, eh Mr Starmer.
The goverment seem to be forgetting they'll be old one day and may need some financial assistance especially after they've buggered up their private pensions. I can see the headlines, Kier Karma claiming winter fuel payments. |
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The early release of prisoners is good in theory in a disney world but total madness in the real world. They have just been thrown out to fend for themselves. With a cold night on the cards they'll be wishing they were back in their cell.
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How do people propose people currently being convicted and sentenced to prison are dealt with? Where will they be put? Or should we stop all court cases and allow those not yet convicted to remain free until more prisons are built or operate a one in one out system?
I'll also be interested in people's reaction to the pension increase that's coming in 2025 of £465 a year if you receive the full pension. |
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By *lfasoCouple 8 weeks ago
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"How do people propose people currently being convicted and sentenced to prison are dealt with? Where will they be put? Or should we stop all court cases and allow those not yet convicted to remain free until more prisons are built or operate a one in one out system?
I'll also be interested in people's reaction to the pension increase that's coming in 2025 of £465 a year if you receive the full pension. "
Is the figure of £465 not linked to inflation? How does that increase compare with the rise in food prices or energy costs or rent? |
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"How do people propose people currently being convicted and sentenced to prison are dealt with? Where will they be put? Or should we stop all court cases and allow those not yet convicted to remain free until more prisons are built or operate a one in one out system?
I'll also be interested in people's reaction to the pension increase that's coming in 2025 of £465 a year if you receive the full pension.
Is the figure of £465 not linked to inflation? How does that increase compare with the rise in food prices or energy costs or rent?"
Yes it is linked to inflation.
I'm remembering the outcry earlier this year when pensions increased by over 6%. It was unfair when younger people were struggling etc and pensioners were portrayed as having had a good life with cheap housing and huge private pensions. Now suddenly we're all starving and dying of the cold. |
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"I like how Labour are becoming so disliked so quickly, it's shocking but beautiful 
I like how many still defend them
Still 
Let's hope you have at least 14 more years of this "
Why would you hope that?
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The expected 4.1% rise is actually set by the increaae in average earnings this time, not inflation which is about half that figure at 2%.
The pension triple lock means pensioners win higher percentage increases every year than the vast majority of workers. Since 1998 the deference between the full state pension and average earnings as considerably reduced. Hence why less pensioners receive pension credit.
The boss of Aldi said on Monday food prices are falling and are expected to continue to do so. |
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To get the winter fuel payment you must be born before 23/9/58 and be in receipt of one of the following
Pension Credit
Universal Credit
income-related Employment and Support Allowance (ESA)
income-based Jobseeker’s Allowance (JSA)
Income Support
Child Tax Credit
Working Tax Credit
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The people most affected by the withdrawal of universal WFA are the ones who are just above the qualifying income for one of the above. They're the ones wh will really struggle with this. |
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By *irldnCouple 8 weeks ago
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"The boss of Aldi said on Monday food prices are falling and are expected to continue to do so."
But will we see deflation and food prices drop below where they were a few years back when inflation started really kicking in? Or will they just drop back a few months so still be more expensive then before? |
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By *otMe66Man 8 weeks ago
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The issue I have with Labours decision on the fuel allowance is the hard cut off, it feels poorly thought out.
Having incremental reductions of £1 for every £1 over a threshold would have been less contentious in my opinion, however I have read here and elsewhere that setting up a system that would manage the allowance in this way would be too costly.
I'm not convinced that is true, considering they have systems and processes that do this today, I think it is more to do with the time it would take and that cutting into the saving forecast.
The prisoner release scheme again seems very poorly thought out. They have released beds to house those convicted of rioting and to allow some flex in the numbers should they need it through other issues that might need inmates moved around.
The problem as I see it is the reoffending rates being so high that in a very small amount of time we will be back to the exact same place we are now, only now with criminals who will be offending with a feeling of impunity, as well as victims of their crimes feeling let down by the system. One other area that I'm not sure is going to cope with this sudden uplift in release numbers is the probation services, how are they supposed to keep on top of all these criminals who have been released overnight?
I'm sure with a little more thought this issue can be worked out, suspend sentencing for a longer period as an example, encourage people serving sentences to take up rehabilitation and training to fast track their releases. These are my untrained thoughts, I'm sure there are qualified people who could put a plan together that would be more beneficial than throwing 1700 criminals out of jail in one go. |
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By *lfasoCouple 8 weeks ago
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"Labour Party pensions policy: We will keep the pension triple lock and give pensioners security in retirement
Jun 9, 2024"
There would appear to be political consensus on this policy although there seems to be some dissent on here. |
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By *irldnCouple 8 weeks ago
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How are they determining which criminals to release early? Is it time left to serve or severity of the crime? So if a person is in prison for physical assault or sexual assault but only has a year left to serve vs a person who evaded tax but has three years left to serve, I would release the latter not the former. |
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Did you see all the Labour MPs, who voted to remove the winter fuel allowance, cheering yesterday? Their own estimations was that 4000 elderly people would die as a result of this allowance being removed…..
Oh what a lovely bunch they are 🤬🤬🤬🤬 |
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"Did you see all the Labour MPs, who voted to remove the winter fuel allowance, cheering yesterday? Their own estimations was that 4000 elderly people would die as a result of this allowance being removed…..
Oh what a lovely bunch they are 🤬🤬🤬🤬"
I didn't see that, looks like the fears that they're just "tory-lite" is coming true.
Glad not to have voted for them. |
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"How are they determining which criminals to release early? Is it time left to serve or severity of the crime? So if a person is in prison for physical assault or sexual assault but only has a year left to serve vs a person who evaded tax but has three years left to serve, I would release the latter not the former."
There are some details in this article:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c23ljkrx0e2o
The government says they aren't releasing violent offenders with more than 4 years sentence, sex offenders and domestic abusers.
Apparently sex offenders and domestic abusers were released in case they were serving multiple crimes for different sentences and they have already finished serving sentence for the violent crime. |
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By *irldnCouple 8 weeks ago
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"^^ I think there's a case for stopping WFA for people above a certain tax bracket. "
That is a very good point.
Richer pensioners in receipt of investment income and private pensions, on top of state pension, will be paying tax.
If their income takes them into 40% or 45% bracket then no way they need WFA.
However, appears they are applying that to more people if they lose it by going just a £ over into not being eligible for various benefits such as pension credit.
Maybe 20% tax payers lose a proportion of WFA? |
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"Did you see all the Labour MPs, who voted to remove the winter fuel allowance, cheering yesterday? Their own estimations was that 4000 elderly people would die as a result of this allowance being removed…..
Oh what a lovely bunch they are 🤬🤬🤬🤬
I didn't see that, looks like the fears that they're just "tory-lite" is coming true.
Glad not to have voted for them."
they are not Tory lite, they are left of left. Billions to the unions, billions to overseas aid, billions spent on open borders, tens of millions spent on 10,000 foreign prisoners sitting in our jails…. But let’s let the pensioners freeze because they don’t vote for Labour anyway. |
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"How are they determining which criminals to release early? Is it time left to serve or severity of the crime? So if a person is in prison for physical assault or sexual assault but only has a year left to serve vs a person who evaded tax but has three years left to serve, I would release the latter not the former."
how about we remove all 10,000 foreign prisoners and send them back to their own countries. That would instantly stop the need to release the crims early!
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By *atEvolution OP Couple 8 weeks ago
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The April pension rise is to be based on 'wage growth', as this was the higher element of the triple lock.
It's quite ironic that Labour has been the one to feed this with the Doctors and Unions pay settlements.
ASLEF members in particular received 4.5% above inflation pay rises. Taking and average salary of a train driver to over 62k a year.
The average pension by comparison would be just over 12k (currently around 11.5k) with the wage growth element of the triple lock.
As this is paid monthly to pensioners, it is useless for paying winter fuel bills as it is spread across the whole year.
Labour claim that 'those with the broadest shoulders' must take the burden of the cuts. So. Just how broad does he measure a pensioner's shouldered income of just 12k (projected) compared to a 62k income (actual) of a train driver?
In opposition, Labour themselves said to the conservatives 'that to cut WFA would lead to the death and hardship of many pensioners'. (2017 Labour Research Report)
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"How are they determining which criminals to release early? Is it time left to serve or severity of the crime? So if a person is in prison for physical assault or sexual assault but only has a year left to serve vs a person who evaded tax but has three years left to serve, I would release the latter not the former.how about we remove all 10,000 foreign prisoners and send them back to their own countries. That would instantly stop the need to release the crims early!"
but that would be seen as racist we will keep them here feed them release early and send Brit born crims to Eastern Europe to serve there sentence there think that’s how labour are going to play this one out ffs
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By *irldnCouple 8 weeks ago
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Bet Reeves is bemoaning the day she promised not to raise (or return to same as before) NIC levels. As opposed to “we are all in this together” their policies to raise tax (or reduce outgoings) just look punitive and targeted. |
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"Did you see all the Labour MPs, who voted to remove the winter fuel allowance, cheering yesterday? Their own estimations was that 4000 elderly people would die as a result of this allowance being removed…..
Oh what a lovely bunch they are 🤬🤬🤬🤬
I didn't see that, looks like the fears that they're just "tory-lite" is coming true.
Glad not to have voted for them.they are not Tory lite, they are left of left. Billions to the unions, billions to overseas aid, billions spent on open borders, tens of millions spent on 10,000 foreign prisoners sitting in our jails…. But let’s let the pensioners freeze because they don’t vote for Labour anyway."
We seem to have strayed into pure fantasy land here. |
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"I like how Labour are becoming so disliked so quickly, it's shocking but beautiful
I like how many still defend them"
Yeap I mean how could anyone defend a government that just let 1700 prisoners early from prison just beggars belief really |
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By *atEvolution OP Couple 8 weeks ago
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"I like how Labour are becoming so disliked so quickly, it's shocking but beautiful
I like how many still defend them Yeap I mean how could anyone defend a government that just let 1700 prisoners early from prison just beggars belief really "
And they were only the sub 5-year sentence folks - the over 5-year sentence folks are the next Tranch to be released.
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"I like how Labour are becoming so disliked so quickly, it's shocking but beautiful
I like how many still defend them Yeap I mean how could anyone defend a government that just let 1700 prisoners early from prison just beggars belief really "
You do know that the Tories were planning to do exactly the same, they started discussing the how's and why's in April..
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By *atEvolution OP Couple 8 weeks ago
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"I like how Labour are becoming so disliked so quickly, it's shocking but beautiful
I like how many still defend them Yeap I mean how could anyone defend a government that just let 1700 prisoners early from prison just beggars belief really
You do know that the Tories were planning to do exactly the same, they started discussing the how's and why's in April..
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Did the Conservatives do it? No!
Did Labour do it? Yes! |
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"I like how Labour are becoming so disliked so quickly, it's shocking but beautiful
I like how many still defend them Yeap I mean how could anyone defend a government that just let 1700 prisoners early from prison just beggars belief really
You do know that the Tories were planning to do exactly the same, they started discussing the how's and why's in April..
Did the Conservatives do it? No!
Did Labour do it? Yes!"
What other solution do you think both administration's missed? |
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By *atEvolution OP Couple 8 weeks ago
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"I like how Labour are becoming so disliked so quickly, it's shocking but beautiful
I like how many still defend them Yeap I mean how could anyone defend a government that just let 1700 prisoners early from prison just beggars belief really
You do know that the Tories were planning to do exactly the same, they started discussing the how's and why's in April..
Did the Conservatives do it? No!
Did Labour do it? Yes!
What other solution do you think both administration's missed?"
The re-opening of 1,243 council-run youth centres for a start.
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"^^ I think there's a case for stopping WFA for people above a certain tax bracket.
That is a very good point.
Richer pensioners in receipt of investment income and private pensions, on top of state pension, will be paying tax.
If their income takes them into 40% or 45% bracket then no way they need WFA.
However, appears they are applying that to more people if they lose it by going just a £ over into not being eligible for various benefits such as pension credit.
Maybe 20% tax payers lose a proportion of WFA?"
We don't qualify for any of the qualifying benefits and understand that most of us are going to have to lose something on the coming years. That's easy for us to say because we're resourceful and we know we'll manage. I do feel sorry for people who just slip through the net, the ones who are too proud to apply for a benefit despite being entitled and the ones who think it's too complicated. There are also those who save the money, give it to their children or donate it to charity and make a virtue out of sitting indoors with a hat and coat on and a blanket on the knees |
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27% of working-age adults in the UK have a criminal conviction. This percentage is higher for men, at 33%
We only have to look at ourselves to blame
Uk is a country of criminals, an nhs overrun by salad dodgers, smokers, alcoholics and drug addicts. Blame the successive governments but take some self responsibility |
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"Even Labour's own pay masters (The Unions) are against their policy of cutting the Winter Fuel Allowance so what does that say "
To me it says that the unions are happy for people who have no need of it to receive the winter fuel allowance. The king qualified previously, I don't think he needs it. |
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"I like how Labour are becoming so disliked so quickly, it's shocking but beautiful
I like how many still defend them Yeap I mean how could anyone defend a government that just let 1700 prisoners early from prison just beggars belief really
You do know that the Tories were planning to do exactly the same, they started discussing the how's and why's in April..
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And who were both Labour Party leaders that both stood up and shouted it down 🤔 |
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"I like how Labour are becoming so disliked so quickly, it's shocking but beautiful
I like how many still defend them Yeap I mean how could anyone defend a government that just let 1700 prisoners early from prison just beggars belief really
You do know that the Tories were planning to do exactly the same, they started discussing the how's and why's in April..
Did the Conservatives do it? No!
Did Labour do it? Yes!
What other solution do you think both administration's missed?
The re-opening of 1,243 council-run youth centres for a start.
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to house them? |
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"I like how Labour are becoming so disliked so quickly, it's shocking but beautiful
I like how many still defend them Yeap I mean how could anyone defend a government that just let 1700 prisoners early from prison just beggars belief really
You do know that the Tories were planning to do exactly the same, they started discussing the how's and why's in April..
And who were both Labour Party leaders that both stood up and shouted it down 🤔"
Of course they did..
As the Tories are now doing..
That's politics, you seem surprised? |
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"I like how Labour are becoming so disliked so quickly, it's shocking but beautiful
I like how many still defend them Yeap I mean how could anyone defend a government that just let 1700 prisoners early from prison just beggars belief really
You do know that the Tories were planning to do exactly the same, they started discussing the how's and why's in April..
And who were both Labour Party leaders that both stood up and shouted it down 🤔
Of course they did..
As the Tories are now doing..
That's politics, you seem surprised?"
I’m not so surprised, lived through the Labour government before 🤣🤣 |
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"I like how Labour are becoming so disliked so quickly, it's shocking but beautiful
I like how many still defend them Yeap I mean how could anyone defend a government that just let 1700 prisoners early from prison just beggars belief really
You do know that the Tories were planning to do exactly the same, they started discussing the how's and why's in April..
And who were both Labour Party leaders that both stood up and shouted it down 🤔
Of course they did..
As the Tories are now doing..
That's politics, you seem surprised?
I’m not so surprised, lived through the Labour government before 🤣🤣"
Ditto..
They are literally two cheeks of the same arse as I recall someone once saying.. |
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"Even Labour's own pay masters (The Unions) are against their policy of cutting the Winter Fuel Allowance so what does that say "
Labour Party's donations from unions is now a minority of their total donations. So the Union paymaster tag is now a soundbite used Tory supporters.
According this article in the FT
https://www.ft.com/content/1174616b-f17d-41aa-ab55-07e9c4613392
Unite, the union, has given more than half a million pounds to 88 mostly left-leaning, Labour MPs after deliberately cutting funding to the party headquarters following Sir Keir Starmer’s shift to the centre ground.
It's interesting you think parties should follow the interesting of their party donors. I presume you must be pretty wealthy considering your strong tory leanings..
Before you accuse me of being a Labour leftie, I've not voted Labour since 1998 and have conservative once in more recent times.
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"I like how Labour are becoming so disliked so quickly, it's shocking but beautiful
I like how many still defend them
Still
Let's hope you have at least 14 more years of this
Why would you hope that?
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To get RRs nerves as they moan far too early and get on mine. Tit for tat  |
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By *atEvolution OP Couple 8 weeks ago
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"I like how Labour are becoming so disliked so quickly, it's shocking but beautiful
I like how many still defend them Yeap I mean how could anyone defend a government that just let 1700 prisoners early from prison just beggars belief really
You do know that the Tories were planning to do exactly the same, they started discussing the how's and why's in April..
Did the Conservatives do it? No!
Did Labour do it? Yes!
What other solution do you think both administration's missed?
The re-opening of 1,243 council-run youth centres for a start.
to house them?"
Read up on what Youth Centres do, Housing offenders released from prison early isn't one of them. |
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"I like how Labour are becoming so disliked so quickly, it's shocking but beautiful
I like how many still defend them Yeap I mean how could anyone defend a government that just let 1700 prisoners early from prison just beggars belief really
You do know that the Tories were planning to do exactly the same, they started discussing the how's and why's in April..
Did the Conservatives do it? No!
Did Labour do it? Yes!
What other solution do you think both administration's missed?
The re-opening of 1,243 council-run youth centres for a start.
to house them?
Read up on what Youth Centres do, Housing offenders released from prison early isn't one of them. "
I know what they used to do before the cuts forced councils to shut them yes..
When they used to play an important role in society, well for parts of society that the rich and privileged never needed or frequented.. |
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By *atEvolution OP Couple 8 weeks ago
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"I like how Labour are becoming so disliked so quickly, it's shocking but beautiful
I like how many still defend them Yeap I mean how could anyone defend a government that just let 1700 prisoners early from prison just beggars belief really
You do know that the Tories were planning to do exactly the same, they started discussing the how's and why's in April..
Did the Conservatives do it? No!
Did Labour do it? Yes!
What other solution do you think both administration's missed?
The re-opening of 1,243 council-run youth centres for a start.
to house them?
Read up on what Youth Centres do, Housing offenders released from prison early isn't one of them.
I know what they used to do before the cuts forced councils to shut them yes..
When they used to play an important role in society, well for parts of society that the rich and privileged never needed or frequented.."
So. In answer to what was missed by both administrations:
Reopen the Youth Centres again. |
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"I like how Labour are becoming so disliked so quickly, it's shocking but beautiful
I like how many still defend them Yeap I mean how could anyone defend a government that just let 1700 prisoners early from prison just beggars belief really
You do know that the Tories were planning to do exactly the same, they started discussing the how's and why's in April..
Did the Conservatives do it? No!
Did Labour do it? Yes!
What other solution do you think both administration's missed?
The re-opening of 1,243 council-run youth centres for a start.
to house them?
Read up on what Youth Centres do, Housing offenders released from prison early isn't one of them.
I know what they used to do before the cuts forced councils to shut them yes..
When they used to play an important role in society, well for parts of society that the rich and privileged never needed or frequented..
So. In answer to what was missed by both administrations:
Reopen the Youth Centres again. "
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By *atEvolution OP Couple 8 weeks ago
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"I like how Labour are becoming so disliked so quickly, it's shocking but beautiful
I like how many still defend them Yeap I mean how could anyone defend a government that just let 1700 prisoners early from prison just beggars belief really
You do know that the Tories were planning to do exactly the same, they started discussing the how's and why's in April..
Did the Conservatives do it? No!
Did Labour do it? Yes!
What other solution do you think both administration's missed?
The re-opening of 1,243 council-run youth centres for a start.
to house them?
Read up on what Youth Centres do, Housing offenders released from prison early isn't one of them.
I know what they used to do before the cuts forced councils to shut them yes..
When they used to play an important role in society, well for parts of society that the rich and privileged never needed or frequented..
So. In answer to what was missed by both administrations:
Reopen the Youth Centres again.
Whilst I agree, I think it's going to be a long list.."
On a side topic - passed through Primark TC today and saw that they are selling T-shirts with the 'A Clockwork Orange' picture printed on the front - full colour - knife covered in blood. While we are the midst of a pandemic of knife crime!!!
Such a great social statement Primark.
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By *eachcplCouple 8 weeks ago
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Let them all out of prison so they can start again filling them up then the scum they let out will kill the pensioners sitting cold in their homes. Labour's solution to two problems at once.
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"I like how Labour are becoming so disliked so quickly, it's shocking but beautiful
I like how many still defend them Yeap I mean how could anyone defend a government that just let 1700 prisoners early from prison just beggars belief really "
What was your plan for prisoner housing, instead?
As others have pointed out, the capacity issues and plans have been underway for some time
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-69015911 |
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Let's face it Labour's plan all along was to raise taxes except for the one's they've mentioned they wouldn't raise (To Be Confirmed I might add)that is why they were never specific about their plans during their election campaign |
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"I like how Labour are becoming so disliked so quickly, it's shocking but beautiful
I like how many still defend them Yeap I mean how could anyone defend a government that just let 1700 prisoners early from prison just beggars belief really
What was your plan for prisoner housing, instead?
As others have pointed out, the capacity issues and plans have been underway for some time
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-69015911"
send the 1000s of foreign prisoners back to there own country for a start that will free up plenty of spaces |
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I thought they may use council tax bands.
Only those on the lower bands will receive WFA.
Not perfect but at least those better off won't get it.
For the first time in my life I didn't vote this year, busy day at work and don't trust any of them.
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"How do people propose people currently being convicted and sentenced to prison are dealt with? Where will they be put? Or should we stop all court cases and allow those not yet convicted to remain free until more prisons are built or operate a one in one out system?
I'll also be interested in people's reaction to the pension increase that's coming in 2025 of £465 a year if you receive the full pension. "
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"^^ I think there's a case for stopping WFA for people above a certain tax bracket.
That is a very good point.
Richer pensioners in receipt of investment income and private pensions, on top of state pension, will be paying tax.
If their income takes them into 40% or 45% bracket then no way they need WFA.
However, appears they are applying that to more people if they lose it by going just a £ over into not being eligible for various benefits such as pension credit.
Maybe 20% tax payers lose a proportion of WFA?"
I'm sure I read somewhere that stopping the WFA from 40% tax paying pensioners was suggested to the government as a simple way to target the wealthy pensioners instead of millions already barely getting by. It may have been David Cameron but not sure. If they did that then they could say they are targeting the richer people only, something I thought they once stood for. I guess it would raise less but at least thousands wouldn't die unnecessarily and millions more sent into poverty. |
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"I like how Labour are becoming so disliked so quickly, it's shocking but beautiful
I like how many still defend them Yeap I mean how could anyone defend a government that just let 1700 prisoners early from prison just beggars belief really
You do know that the Tories were planning to do exactly the same, they started discussing the how's and why's in April..
Did the Conservatives do it? No!
Did Labour do it? Yes!
What other solution do you think both administration's missed?
The re-opening of 1,243 council-run youth centres for a start.
to house them?
Read up on what Youth Centres do, Housing offenders released from prison early isn't one of them.
I know what they used to do before the cuts forced councils to shut them yes..
When they used to play an important role in society, well for parts of society that the rich and privileged never needed or frequented..
So. In answer to what was missed by both administrations:
Reopen the Youth Centres again.
Whilst I agree, I think it's going to be a long list..
On a side topic - passed through Primark TC today and saw that they are selling T-shirts with the 'A Clockwork Orange' picture printed on the front - full colour - knife covered in blood. While we are the midst of a pandemic of knife crime!!!
Such a great social statement Primark.
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Shit sells..
Even offensive shit..
The capacity for some to buy any old twaddle.. |
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Not only Labour are looking to cut winter fuel allowances from pensioners but also I'm hearing Labour are considering to get rid of the Council Tax discount for people who live alone? While I'm not sure if it's government policy or not, I hope it's hearsay for their sake as I live alone because if it is true, I will be an instigator to bring this government down by any means |
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"Not only Labour are looking to cut winter fuel allowances from pensioners but also I'm hearing Labour are considering to get rid of the Council Tax discount for people who live alone? While I'm not sure if it's government policy or not, I hope it's hearsay for their sake as I live alone because if it is true, I will be an instigator to bring this government down by any means"
There you go again with your 'by any means'..
You mean the ballot box yes..? |
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"Not only Labour are looking to cut winter fuel allowances from pensioners but also I'm hearing Labour are considering to get rid of the Council Tax discount for people who live alone? While I'm not sure if it's government policy or not, I hope it's hearsay for their sake as I live alone because if it is true, I will be an instigator to bring this government down by any means
There you go again with your 'by any means'..
You mean the ballot box yes..?"
Maybe or another extreme method which I won't get into |
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"Not only Labour are looking to cut winter fuel allowances from pensioners but also I'm hearing Labour are considering to get rid of the Council Tax discount for people who live alone? While I'm not sure if it's government policy or not, I hope it's hearsay for their sake as I live alone because if it is true, I will be an instigator to bring this government down by any means
There you go again with your 'by any means'..
You mean the ballot box yes..? Maybe or another extreme method which I won't get into "
Doesn't sound very democratic. |
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"We should make prisoners build more prisons"
Lol yeah.
Let's ship hundreds of prisoners, most of whom will need ground-up training in construction labour, out to gated, secure, specially insured sites miles from their existing prisons where they'll need guarding and supervising every second of the day (by prison staff and civilian contractors who will need additional pay for special circumstances), not to mention fully equipping, and expect these inexperienced, unmotivated prisoners - for no wages, I presume? - to erect state-of-the-art prison buildings.
What do you suppose that will cost, over and above the cost of a normal building contractor? What do you suppose the construction industry would have to say about it?
I love these knee-jerk, throw-away-the-key type Daily Mailisms. They never, ever stand up to even the most rudimentary scrutiny.
It's so ironic that the same people who refuse to invest in rehabilitation programs are always trying to figure out how to mitigate the tremendous cost of punitive incarceration. |
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"Not only Labour are looking to cut winter fuel allowances from pensioners but also I'm hearing Labour are considering to get rid of the Council Tax discount for people who live alone? While I'm not sure if it's government policy or not, I hope it's hearsay for their sake as I live alone because if it is true, I will be an instigator to bring this government down by any means
There you go again with your 'by any means'..
You mean the ballot box yes..? Maybe or another extreme method which I won't get into "
 mate seriously get real..
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"We should make prisoners build more prisons
Lol yeah.
Let's ship hundreds of prisoners, most of whom will need ground-up training in construction labour, out to gated, secure, specially insured sites miles from their existing prisons where they'll need guarding and supervising every second of the day (by prison staff and civilian contractors who will need additional pay for special circumstances), not to mention fully equipping, and expect these inexperienced, unmotivated prisoners - for no wages, I presume? - to erect state-of-the-art prison buildings.
What do you suppose that will cost, over and above the cost of a normal building contractor? What do you suppose the construction industry would have to say about it?
I love these knee-jerk, throw-away-the-key type Daily Mailisms. They never, ever stand up to even the most rudimentary scrutiny.
It's so ironic that the same people who refuse to invest in rehabilitation programs are always trying to figure out how to mitigate the tremendous cost of punitive incarceration."
I didn't expect such long lecture in response to what was a sarcastic tongue in the cheek remark.
Personally I am all supportive for focusing on rehabilitation for non-violent criminals. But violent criminals... fuck them. |
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"Not only Labour are looking to cut winter fuel allowances from pensioners but also I'm hearing Labour are considering to get rid of the Council Tax discount for people who live alone? While I'm not sure if it's government policy or not, I hope it's hearsay for their sake as I live alone because if it is true, I will be an instigator to bring this government down by any means
There you go again with your 'by any means'..
You mean the ballot box yes..? Maybe or another extreme method which I won't get into "
Guy Fawkes v2.0? Soon be the season. |
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By *irldnCouple 8 weeks ago
Brighton |
"Not only Labour are looking to cut winter fuel allowances from pensioners but also I'm hearing Labour are considering to get rid of the Council Tax discount for people who live alone? While I'm not sure if it's government policy or not, I hope it's hearsay for their sake as I live alone because if it is true, I will be an instigator to bring this government down by any means
There you go again with your 'by any means'..
You mean the ballot box yes..? Maybe or another extreme method which I won't get into "
You never (or so rarely I never see it) post anything constructive or provide ideas or solutions. It’s all starting to sound a little bit Chicken Little.
How about giving us some ideas of what you would do differently? I have asked you this before, several times!
You spent months leading up to the election saying you wanted the Tories out but that Labour will be worse. Now it is posts criticising people for voting Labour and how you are going to overturn the decision…somehow/someway you can’t talk about
Come on C King, give us something constructive and thought provoking  |
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If a government was in power for 25 years, fair enough if you want to fuck pensioners over, they'll be dead at the next election.
But about 4 years, still be alive and kicking.
One thing about pensioners, they have long memories and they vote.
A widowed pensioner, worked all their lives and now looking forward to having their single persons council tax rebate taken from them.
What about charging pensioners for their prescriptions, that will save a few bob.
Or taxing anything above a state pension as a lesson to those old people who thought working hard, saving a little private pension pot to help with the odd treat in old age.
Dopey fuckers, working hard and saving, that's not what Labour stands for.
Even if they reverse the WFA every old person will know the bastards tried to do it and were shouted down.
Well at least we can all look forward to the huge economic upturn around the corner.
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"Not only Labour are looking to cut winter fuel allowances from pensioners but also I'm hearing Labour are considering to get rid of the Council Tax discount for people who live alone? While I'm not sure if it's government policy or not, I hope it's hearsay for their sake as I live alone because if it is true, I will be an instigator to bring this government down by any means
There you go again with your 'by any means'..
You mean the ballot box yes..? Maybe or another extreme method which I won't get into
Doesn't sound very democratic."
This country isn't as democratic as it portrays itself to be |
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"Not only Labour are looking to cut winter fuel allowances from pensioners but also I'm hearing Labour are considering to get rid of the Council Tax discount for people who live alone? While I'm not sure if it's government policy or not, I hope it's hearsay for their sake as I live alone because if it is true, I will be an instigator to bring this government down by any means
There you go again with your 'by any means'..
You mean the ballot box yes..? Maybe or another extreme method which I won't get into
Doesn't sound very democratic. This country isn't as democratic as it portrays itself to be "
The people made a choice, labour got elected. |
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"Not only Labour are looking to cut winter fuel allowances from pensioners but also I'm hearing Labour are considering to get rid of the Council Tax discount for people who live alone? While I'm not sure if it's government policy or not, I hope it's hearsay for their sake as I live alone because if it is true, I will be an instigator to bring this government down by any means
There you go again with your 'by any means'..
You mean the ballot box yes..? Maybe or another extreme method which I won't get into
You never (or so rarely I never see it) post anything constructive or provide ideas or solutions. It’s all starting to sound a little bit Chicken Little.
How about giving us some ideas of what you would do differently? I have asked you this before, several times!
You spent months leading up to the election saying you wanted the Tories out but that Labour will be worse. Now it is posts criticising people for voting Labour and how you are going to overturn the decision…somehow/someway you can’t talk about
Come on C King, give us something constructive and thought provoking "
Ok if that's your opinion but in most cases you seem to like responding to them, funny that because most people who feel that way would just ignore me. But anyways I'm just gonna quickly outline some things that may solve some of the problems we have in this country. Regarding prison population, deport the foreign prisoners to their home countries which will free up spaces while constructing more prisons. Regarding the budget black hole, cut the aid budget by not sending money to countries like China. Stop giving benefits to people who are not willing or don't want to work. Benefits was ever designed to help people who fall on hard times, those who are unable to work due to a disability and pensioners who paid to the system during their working lifes. Green projects can be mostly be scrapped completely because they're too expensive to set up and no guarantees that they will be cheaper in the long term expect for recycling schemes. This should close the the £22 billion black hole that Labour claim we have |
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"Not only Labour are looking to cut winter fuel allowances from pensioners but also I'm hearing Labour are considering to get rid of the Council Tax discount for people who live alone? While I'm not sure if it's government policy or not, I hope it's hearsay for their sake as I live alone because if it is true, I will be an instigator to bring this government down by any means
There you go again with your 'by any means'..
You mean the ballot box yes..? Maybe or another extreme method which I won't get into
Doesn't sound very democratic. This country isn't as democratic as it portrays itself to be
The people made a choice, labour got elected."
based on what percentage of the country, like 34% of people voted for Labour against 66% who didnt |
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"Not only Labour are looking to cut winter fuel allowances from pensioners but also I'm hearing Labour are considering to get rid of the Council Tax discount for people who live alone? While I'm not sure if it's government policy or not, I hope it's hearsay for their sake as I live alone because if it is true, I will be an instigator to bring this government down by any means
There you go again with your 'by any means'..
You mean the ballot box yes..? Maybe or another extreme method which I won't get into
Doesn't sound very democratic. This country isn't as democratic as it portrays itself to be "
Is your mysterious "extreme method" more, or less democratic than the current system? |
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"Not only Labour are looking to cut winter fuel allowances from pensioners but also I'm hearing Labour are considering to get rid of the Council Tax discount for people who live alone? While I'm not sure if it's government policy or not, I hope it's hearsay for their sake as I live alone because if it is true, I will be an instigator to bring this government down by any means
There you go again with your 'by any means'..
You mean the ballot box yes..? Maybe or another extreme method which I won't get into
Doesn't sound very democratic. This country isn't as democratic as it portrays itself to be
Is your mysterious "extreme method" more, or less democratic than the current system?"
Seriously dont worry about that |
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"Not only Labour are looking to cut winter fuel allowances from pensioners but also I'm hearing Labour are considering to get rid of the Council Tax discount for people who live alone? While I'm not sure if it's government policy or not, I hope it's hearsay for their sake as I live alone because if it is true, I will be an instigator to bring this government down by any means
There you go again with your 'by any means'..
You mean the ballot box yes..? Maybe or another extreme method which I won't get into
Doesn't sound very democratic. This country isn't as democratic as it portrays itself to be
Is your mysterious "extreme method" more, or less democratic than the current system? Seriously dont worry about that "
I'm not worried. But I'm wondering if your proposed mystery extremism is more or less democratic. I'll be honest, it either sounds completely anti-democratic, or complete nonsense. |
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By *irldnCouple 8 weeks ago
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"Not only Labour are looking to cut winter fuel allowances from pensioners but also I'm hearing Labour are considering to get rid of the Council Tax discount for people who live alone? While I'm not sure if it's government policy or not, I hope it's hearsay for their sake as I live alone because if it is true, I will be an instigator to bring this government down by any means
There you go again with your 'by any means'..
You mean the ballot box yes..? Maybe or another extreme method which I won't get into
You never (or so rarely I never see it) post anything constructive or provide ideas or solutions. It’s all starting to sound a little bit Chicken Little.
How about giving us some ideas of what you would do differently? I have asked you this before, several times!
You spent months leading up to the election saying you wanted the Tories out but that Labour will be worse. Now it is posts criticising people for voting Labour and how you are going to overturn the decision…somehow/someway you can’t talk about
Come on C King, give us something constructive and thought provoking Ok if that's your opinion but in most cases you seem to like responding to them, funny that because most people who feel that way would just ignore me. But anyways I'm just gonna quickly outline some things that may solve some of the problems we have in this country. Regarding prison population, deport the foreign prisoners to their home countries which will free up spaces while constructing more prisons. Regarding the budget black hole, cut the aid budget by not sending money to countries like China. Stop giving benefits to people who are not willing or don't want to work. Benefits was ever designed to help people who fall on hard times, those who are unable to work due to a disability and pensioners who paid to the system during their working lifes. Green projects can be mostly be scrapped completely because they're too expensive to set up and no guarantees that they will be cheaper in the long term expect for recycling schemes. This should close the the £22 billion black hole that Labour claim we have"
There you go you did it! Well done 👏
It must feel better to suggest things rather than simply moan
And actually I am always interested in what everyone has to say, but the incessant moaning and hyperbole was a little tedious. I like this new you. More please 💪 |
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"Breaking:
The prison population in England and Wales has fallen by more than 2,000 people in just one week, after the start of a government plan to reduce overcrowding.
SkyNews
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Breaking or break out?  |
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By *atEvolution OP Couple 8 weeks ago
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https://news.sky.com/story/former-metropolitan-police-officer-jailed-for-stealing-115-from-dead-mans-wallet-13213919
Breaking
Former Metropolitan Police officer jailed for stealing £115 from dead man's wallet
The judge criticised Craig Carter from Harlow in Essex for the theft and impact on his career - "you threw all of that away - you let down your force, you let down your community".
They are making spaces for people who need to go to prison, |
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"https://news.sky.com/story/former-metropolitan-police-officer-jailed-for-stealing-115-from-dead-mans-wallet-13213919
Breaking
Former Metropolitan Police officer jailed for stealing £115 from dead man's wallet
The judge criticised Craig Carter from Harlow in Essex for the theft and impact on his career - "you threw all of that away - you let down your force, you let down your community".
They are making spaces for people who need to go to prison, "
Logic states, if first offence - sack and community service. |
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"He was jailed for 16 months. Despicable person he is."
115 quid when dead.
WFA when alive.
Bet most pensioners would rather have their wallet lifted when they pop their clogs than annually taken back (FAB won't allow the word ro**ed) by a party they mistakingly thought represented hard working, frugal savers.
I'm not retired and we are both lucky enough to have very well paid jobs, so would be happy to not receive any WFA.
Voted Labour all my life but I'm livid what they are doing to pensioners, never vote for them again.
I feel dreadfully sorry for those hard working, saving pensioners, 45 plus years of hard work, few quid put into a pension pot and now being slapped around the chops because they didn't piss their pay up the wall and committed the heinous crime of saving all their lives for a few treats in retirement.
I wonder where all the pensioner and upcoming pensioner votes will go next election.
All those cowardly MPs who abstained, they couldn't even stand up and be counted.
Shame on the weak willed bastards. |
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"....saving a little private pension pot to help with the odd treat in old age.
Dopey fuckers ....
.... should've saved a bigger pot when they had the chance then hey"
Didn't think about that.
Thanks for your sage advice.
What a guy. |
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"Freeze the pensioners to Death - (Labours own research and Report 2017)
Most prisoners released have no home to go to - so will most likely re-offend and go back to prison. The prisoners are saying this themselves when interviewed today.
Give above inflation rises to the Unions.
What the Actual FFFFFFFFFFFFFF!
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Is there a source for any of that?
As someone else has pointed out, the situation with prisons is down to years of underfunding by the Tories. They pledged to build more prisons, but actually closed some.
If the problem now, because of that, is overcrowding in prisons, what exactly would you suggest?
Given they most people in prison don’t actually pose a threat to society, arguably it makes sense to release them early in order to create more prison capacity for more dangerous people who do pose a threat.
And at least Labour have made someone a minister to look at the problem, who actually knows about the issue
https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/jul/08/a-shoe-fixing-key-cutting-radical-why-labours-new-prisons-minister-is-perfect-for-the-job
But yeah, let’s just scream about ‘Labour releasing all the prisoners’ without taking any context whatsoever into account |
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By *uietbloke67Man 8 weeks ago
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The young are subsiding the old unfairly.
The issue of who needs the support is at the heart of the change to the WFP. Office for National Statistics (ONS) figures show that the proportion of wealthy over-65s has grown.
In 2010, 9% of this group lived in a household that had a total wealth – including assets like their home and pensions – above £1 million. Ten years later, this rose to 27%.
Liz Emerson, CEO of the Intergenerational Foundation, a charity that campaigns for youth-friendly government policy, says it is being fuelled by rising property values.
“Alongside that, they have more generous private pensions than young people,” she explains. “So when you combine housing wealth and pension wealth, older people have been doing far better than the younger generation over recent years.”
Yet this isn’t just about millionaires - many of those who say they do not need WFP, like those the BBC spoke to, are simply on healthy pensions after years of working.
Others are more wealthy, especially if they have sold high-value property and downsized to a house that is far less expensive to heat, ending up with leftover cash in the process.
For those who don't sell up, Ms Emerson asks: “Should these pensioners be subsidised by younger taxpayers to stay in a valuable home? It seems to us to be intergenerationally unfair.”
The vast majority of over-65s receive a state pension and it’s the main income for those who don’t get a private pension - which their former employer paid into. The state pension increases every year through the triple lock - in line with whichever is highest out of inflation, earnings or 2.5%.
This year it increased by £690 for people who reached retirement age before April 2016 and £900 for those after that date. Next year the increases are projected to be £353 and £460 respectively, driven by high inflation and energy costs.
The government points out that these increases are worth more than the annual WFP payments, which is £300 for those who retired before April 2016 and £200 for those after. |
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By *ronisMan 8 weeks ago
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"Freeze the pensioners to Death - (Labours own research and Report 2017)
Most prisoners released have no home to go to - so will most likely re-offend and go back to prison. The prisoners are saying this themselves when interviewed today.
Give above inflation rises to the Unions.
What the Actual FFFFFFFFFFFFFF!
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Well the tories managed to wipe out a fair few with the old covid and withholding medical treatment to save the nhs. Now labour can pick of some more by freezing them. It's all part of the plan. |
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By *ronisMan 8 weeks ago
Edinburgh |
"The wealthy boomers are down the dole office banging on the glass that separate them from the staff and shouting 'where's my money ... I wants my fucking money'"
What a vivid imagination you have.  |
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By *ermbiMan 7 weeks ago
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"I keep getting this image of Sir Kier Starmer walking past a Pensioner and kicking the stick from beneath him.
What a nasty little C**T He's turning out to be !!!"
Nasty kind of imagery you seem to be spouting here |
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By *atEvolution OP Couple 7 weeks ago
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"I keep getting this image of Sir Kier Starmer walking past a Pensioner and kicking the stick from beneath him.
What a nasty little C**T He's turning out to be !!!
Nasty kind of imagery you seem to be spouting here"
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"Freeze the pensioners to Death - (Labours own research and Report 2017)
Most prisoners released have no home to go to - so will most likely re-offend and go back to prison. The prisoners are saying this themselves when interviewed today.
Give above inflation rises to the Unions.
What the Actual FFFFFFFFFFFFFF!
Is there a source for any of that?
As someone else has pointed out, the situation with prisons is down to years of underfunding by the Tories. They pledged to build more prisons, but actually closed some.
If the problem now, because of that, is overcrowding in prisons, what exactly would you suggest?
Given they most people in prison don’t actually pose a threat to society, arguably it makes sense to release them early in order to create more prison capacity for more dangerous people who do pose a threat.
And at least Labour have made someone a minister to look at the problem, who actually knows about the issue
https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/jul/08/a-shoe-fixing-key-cutting-radical-why-labours-new-prisons-minister-is-perfect-for-the-job
But yeah, let’s just scream about ‘Labour releasing all the prisoners’ without taking any context whatsoever into account "
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It really is sad watching people swallow the BS that the right wing Tories media press shovel.
Let me deal with all of the above main points in turn.
The winter fuel allowance is being means tested, in 2020, 25% of pensioners were millionaires, compared to 14% of pensioners living in poverty.
Where is the outrage for the younger people who have to choose between heating and eating.
Numerous Tories have openly discussed means testing the winter fuel payment, but it was kept as a bribe because they didn't want to alienate their voter base.
The manufactured outrage from the conservatives and Torie press is laughable, considering Boris Johnson let 100,000s (let the bodies pile high) of pensioners die during COVID.
Sad though it is, pensioners do freeze during the winter, but mainly due to lack of understanding on how much the heating costs because of the fear tactics newspapers print in thier attempt to get clicks.
The issue of Stammers free gifts is another manufactured outrage, first of all the gifts in question come from a wealth labour politician who is already in the house of lords. Secondly the value of the gifts are a drop in the ocean compared to the £800,000 gift / loan Boris Johnson received for some wallpaper and then tried to lie about / cover up and all the other gifts / bribes they didn't declare.
The gifts Stammer has received is all on public record over a 4 year period.
Next the prisoner release. Yes it sucks, but is largely a Tory policy a result it 14 years of complete failure and mismanagement. Prisons and prison guards can't be magically built overnight.
And are people seriously suggesting that you should be able to spout hate and bile online and get away with it, that you should be able to riot and try and burn down people's homes with people in it and that should go unpunished.
As soon as people started going to prison the riots stopped.
A bunch of sad morons who are too thick to realise they are being used by people like Farage and Tommy Robinson.
It's all an attempt from a media who is facing media reform to kick up enough dirt and hope that some of it sticks. Are labour perfect - No. But people need to wake up and see just how absolutely catastrophic the last 14 years of conservative rule has been. |
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"I think alot of pensioners will leave what little money they have when they pass away to a snail farm in Asia to teach the goverment a lesson.
Scrapping the winter fuel payment isn't helping working people the opposite because that payment goes back into the economy one way or another, even the working people in the fuel companies spend some of it into the economy when it reaches them, they may buy a car, buy food, pay a bill, go on holiday in Cornwall.
Simple economics, flow of money.
Looks like someone's head is disappearing up his ass, eh Mr Starmer.
The goverment seem to be forgetting they'll be old one day and may need some financial assistance especially after they've buggered up their private pensions. I can see the headlines, Kier Karma claiming winter fuel payments. "
Interesting economic theory, does the same apply to doctors, teachers, train drivers etc who get pay rises.
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"It really is sad watching people swallow the BS that the right wing Tories media press shovel.
Let me deal with all of the above main points in turn.
The winter fuel allowance is being means tested, in 2020, 25% of pensioners were millionaires, compared to 14% of pensioners living in poverty.
Where is the outrage for the younger people who have to choose between heating and eating.
Numerous Tories have openly discussed means testing the winter fuel payment, but it was kept as a bribe because they didn't want to alienate their voter base.
The manufactured outrage from the conservatives and Torie press is laughable, considering Boris Johnson let 100,000s (let the bodies pile high) of pensioners die during COVID.
Sad though it is, pensioners do freeze during the winter, but mainly due to lack of understanding on how much the heating costs because of the fear tactics newspapers print in thier attempt to get clicks.
The issue of Stammers free gifts is another manufactured outrage, first of all the gifts in question come from a wealth labour politician who is already in the house of lords. Secondly the value of the gifts are a drop in the ocean compared to the £800,000 gift / loan Boris Johnson received for some wallpaper and then tried to lie about / cover up and all the other gifts / bribes they didn't declare.
The gifts Stammer has received is all on public record over a 4 year period.
Next the prisoner release. Yes it sucks, but is largely a Tory policy a result it 14 years of complete failure and mismanagement. Prisons and prison guards can't be magically built overnight.
And are people seriously suggesting that you should be able to spout hate and bile online and get away with it, that you should be able to riot and try and burn down people's homes with people in it and that should go unpunished.
As soon as people started going to prison the riots stopped.
A bunch of sad morons who are too thick to realise they are being used by people like Farage and Tommy Robinson.
It's all an attempt from a media who is facing media reform to kick up enough dirt and hope that some of it sticks. Are labour perfect - No. But people need to wake up and see just how absolutely catastrophic the last 14 years of conservative rule has been.. Your post is laughable and devolved from reality. The Conservatives won three elections in a row. It looks like the electorate were more than happy with the performance of the Conservstive government.
Your comment about Boris Johnson allowed 100,000 allowance to die is offensive and distasteful apart from the fact that it is blatantly untrue .
He put in place extensive support packages to save people from financial ruin and ppe was obtained in order to save lives regardless of cost.
Government ministers were working non stop during Coovid in order to manage the crisis. We should all be exceptionally greatfull for their efforts "
Do you mean the election where they had to form a hung parliament with the lib dems, or the election where they had an their majority slashed by what was then an unelectable Labour party. Or the one where Boris won by promising to "get Brexit done" and then basically bent over for the EU ?
I'm glad you brought up PPE, billions of pounds worth of fraud and contracts handed out to the rich mates of the Tories.
And yes we should thank them, while people are dying and people are not allowed to go the funerals they are throwing parties in number 10. Thank you for that |
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"It really is sad watching people swallow the BS that the right wing Tories media press shovel.
Let me deal with all of the above main points in turn.
The winter fuel allowance is being means tested, in 2020, 25% of pensioners were millionaires, compared to 14% of pensioners living in poverty.
Where is the outrage for the younger people who have to choose between heating and eating.
Numerous Tories have openly discussed means testing the winter fuel payment, but it was kept as a bribe because they didn't want to alienate their voter base.
The manufactured outrage from the conservatives and Torie press is laughable, considering Boris Johnson let 100,000s (let the bodies pile high) of pensioners die during COVID.
Sad though it is, pensioners do freeze during the winter, but mainly due to lack of understanding on how much the heating costs because of the fear tactics newspapers print in thier attempt to get clicks.
The issue of Stammers free gifts is another manufactured outrage, first of all the gifts in question come from a wealth labour politician who is already in the house of lords. Secondly the value of the gifts are a drop in the ocean compared to the £800,000 gift / loan Boris Johnson received for some wallpaper and then tried to lie about / cover up and all the other gifts / bribes they didn't declare.
The gifts Stammer has received is all on public record over a 4 year period.
Next the prisoner release. Yes it sucks, but is largely a Tory policy a result it 14 years of complete failure and mismanagement. Prisons and prison guards can't be magically built overnight.
And are people seriously suggesting that you should be able to spout hate and bile online and get away with it, that you should be able to riot and try and burn down people's homes with people in it and that should go unpunished.
As soon as people started going to prison the riots stopped.
A bunch of sad morons who are too thick to realise they are being used by people like Farage and Tommy Robinson.
It's all an attempt from a media who is facing media reform to kick up enough dirt and hope that some of it sticks. Are labour perfect - No. But people need to wake up and see just how absolutely catastrophic the last 14 years of conservative rule has been."
hahaha you think it's just the last 14 years the country has been going down the toilet? It's been a shit show since the very early 2000s,labour or tory take ya pick of what shit sandwich you wana eat |
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"It really is sad watching people swallow the BS that the right wing Tories media press shovel.
Let me deal with all of the above main points in turn.
The winter fuel allowance is being means tested, in 2020, 25% of pensioners were millionaires, compared to 14% of pensioners living in poverty.
Where is the outrage for the younger people who have to choose between heating and eating.
Numerous Tories have openly discussed means testing the winter fuel payment, but it was kept as a bribe because they didn't want to alienate their voter base.
The manufactured outrage from the conservatives and Torie press is laughable, considering Boris Johnson let 100,000s (let the bodies pile high) of pensioners die during COVID.
Sad though it is, pensioners do freeze during the winter, but mainly due to lack of understanding on how much the heating costs because of the fear tactics newspapers print in thier attempt to get clicks.
The issue of Stammers free gifts is another manufactured outrage, first of all the gifts in question come from a wealth labour politician who is already in the house of lords. Secondly the value of the gifts are a drop in the ocean compared to the £800,000 gift / loan Boris Johnson received for some wallpaper and then tried to lie about / cover up and all the other gifts / bribes they didn't declare.
The gifts Stammer has received is all on public record over a 4 year period.
Next the prisoner release. Yes it sucks, but is largely a Tory policy a result it 14 years of complete failure and mismanagement. Prisons and prison guards can't be magically built overnight.
And are people seriously suggesting that you should be able to spout hate and bile online and get away with it, that you should be able to riot and try and burn down people's homes with people in it and that should go unpunished.
As soon as people started going to prison the riots stopped.
A bunch of sad morons who are too thick to realise they are being used by people like Farage and Tommy Robinson.
It's all an attempt from a media who is facing media reform to kick up enough dirt and hope that some of it sticks. Are labour perfect - No. But people need to wake up and see just how absolutely catastrophic the last 14 years of conservative rule has been.hahaha you think it's just the last 14 years the country has been going down the toilet? It's been a shit show since the very early 2000s,labour or tory take ya pick of what shit sandwich you wana eat"
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"It really is sad watching people swallow the BS that the right wing Tories media press shovel.
Let me deal with all of the above main points in turn.
The winter fuel allowance is being means tested, in 2020, 25% of pensioners were millionaires, compared to 14% of pensioners living in poverty.
Where is the outrage for the younger people who have to choose between heating and eating.
Numerous Tories have openly discussed means testing the winter fuel payment, but it was kept as a bribe because they didn't want to alienate their voter base.
The manufactured outrage from the conservatives and Torie press is laughable, considering Boris Johnson let 100,000s (let the bodies pile high) of pensioners die during COVID.
Sad though it is, pensioners do freeze during the winter, but mainly due to lack of understanding on how much the heating costs because of the fear tactics newspapers print in thier attempt to get clicks.
The issue of Stammers free gifts is another manufactured outrage, first of all the gifts in question come from a wealth labour politician who is already in the house of lords. Secondly the value of the gifts are a drop in the ocean compared to the £800,000 gift / loan Boris Johnson received for some wallpaper and then tried to lie about / cover up and all the other gifts / bribes they didn't declare.
The gifts Stammer has received is all on public record over a 4 year period.
Next the prisoner release. Yes it sucks, but is largely a Tory policy a result it 14 years of complete failure and mismanagement. Prisons and prison guards can't be magically built overnight.
And are people seriously suggesting that you should be able to spout hate and bile online and get away with it, that you should be able to riot and try and burn down people's homes with people in it and that should go unpunished.
As soon as people started going to prison the riots stopped.
A bunch of sad morons who are too thick to realise they are being used by people like Farage and Tommy Robinson.
It's all an attempt from a media who is facing media reform to kick up enough dirt and hope that some of it sticks. Are labour perfect - No. But people need to wake up and see just how absolutely catastrophic the last 14 years of conservative rule has been.hahaha you think it's just the last 14 years the country has been going down the toilet? It's been a shit show since the very early 2000s,labour or tory take ya pick of what shit sandwich you wana eat"
In fairness, the last 14 years of Tory rule hit plenty of new lows. |
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"It really is sad watching people swallow the BS that the right wing Tories media press shovel.
Let me deal with all of the above main points in turn.
The winter fuel allowance is being means tested, in 2020, 25% of pensioners were millionaires, compared to 14% of pensioners living in poverty.
Where is the outrage for the younger people who have to choose between heating and eating.
Numerous Tories have openly discussed means testing the winter fuel payment, but it was kept as a bribe because they didn't want to alienate their voter base.
The manufactured outrage from the conservatives and Torie press is laughable, considering Boris Johnson let 100,000s (let the bodies pile high) of pensioners die during COVID.
Sad though it is, pensioners do freeze during the winter, but mainly due to lack of understanding on how much the heating costs because of the fear tactics newspapers print in thier attempt to get clicks.
The issue of Stammers free gifts is another manufactured outrage, first of all the gifts in question come from a wealth labour politician who is already in the house of lords. Secondly the value of the gifts are a drop in the ocean compared to the £800,000 gift / loan Boris Johnson received for some wallpaper and then tried to lie about / cover up and all the other gifts / bribes they didn't declare.
The gifts Stammer has received is all on public record over a 4 year period.
Next the prisoner release. Yes it sucks, but is largely a Tory policy a result it 14 years of complete failure and mismanagement. Prisons and prison guards can't be magically built overnight.
And are people seriously suggesting that you should be able to spout hate and bile online and get away with it, that you should be able to riot and try and burn down people's homes with people in it and that should go unpunished.
As soon as people started going to prison the riots stopped.
A bunch of sad morons who are too thick to realise they are being used by people like Farage and Tommy Robinson.
It's all an attempt from a media who is facing media reform to kick up enough dirt and hope that some of it sticks. Are labour perfect - No. But people need to wake up and see just how absolutely catastrophic the last 14 years of conservative rule has been.hahaha you think it's just the last 14 years the country has been going down the toilet? It's been a shit show since the very early 2000s,labour or tory take ya pick of what shit sandwich you wana eat
In fairness, the last 14 years of Tory rule hit plenty of new lows."
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"It really is sad watching people swallow the BS that the right wing Tories media press shovel.
Let me deal with all of the above main points in turn.
The winter fuel allowance is being means tested, in 2020, 25% of pensioners were millionaires, compared to 14% of pensioners living in poverty.
Where is the outrage for the younger people who have to choose between heating and eating.
Numerous Tories have openly discussed means testing the winter fuel payment, but it was kept as a bribe because they didn't want to alienate their voter base.
The manufactured outrage from the conservatives and Torie press is laughable, considering Boris Johnson let 100,000s (let the bodies pile high) of pensioners die during COVID.
Sad though it is, pensioners do freeze during the winter, but mainly due to lack of understanding on how much the heating costs because of the fear tactics newspapers print in thier attempt to get clicks.
The issue of Stammers free gifts is another manufactured outrage, first of all the gifts in question come from a wealth labour politician who is already in the house of lords. Secondly the value of the gifts are a drop in the ocean compared to the £800,000 gift / loan Boris Johnson received for some wallpaper and then tried to lie about / cover up and all the other gifts / bribes they didn't declare.
The gifts Stammer has received is all on public record over a 4 year period.
Next the prisoner release. Yes it sucks, but is largely a Tory policy a result it 14 years of complete failure and mismanagement. Prisons and prison guards can't be magically built overnight.
And are people seriously suggesting that you should be able to spout hate and bile online and get away with it, that you should be able to riot and try and burn down people's homes with people in it and that should go unpunished.
As soon as people started going to prison the riots stopped.
A bunch of sad morons who are too thick to realise they are being used by people like Farage and Tommy Robinson.
It's all an attempt from a media who is facing media reform to kick up enough dirt and hope that some of it sticks. Are labour perfect - No. But people need to wake up and see just how absolutely catastrophic the last 14 years of conservative rule has been.hahaha you think it's just the last 14 years the country has been going down the toilet? It's been a shit show since the very early 2000s,labour or tory take ya pick of what shit sandwich you wana eat"
You do know that the last Labour government oversaw the longest continous period of growth we have ever seen. Mrs x |
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"It really is sad watching people swallow the BS that the right wing Tories media press shovel.
Let me deal with all of the above main points in turn.
The winter fuel allowance is being means tested, in 2020, 25% of pensioners were millionaires, compared to 14% of pensioners living in poverty.
Where is the outrage for the younger people who have to choose between heating and eating.
Numerous Tories have openly discussed means testing the winter fuel payment, but it was kept as a bribe because they didn't want to alienate their voter base.
The manufactured outrage from the conservatives and Torie press is laughable, considering Boris Johnson let 100,000s (let the bodies pile high) of pensioners die during COVID.
Sad though it is, pensioners do freeze during the winter, but mainly due to lack of understanding on how much the heating costs because of the fear tactics newspapers print in thier attempt to get clicks.
The issue of Stammers free gifts is another manufactured outrage, first of all the gifts in question come from a wealth labour politician who is already in the house of lords. Secondly the value of the gifts are a drop in the ocean compared to the £800,000 gift / loan Boris Johnson received for some wallpaper and then tried to lie about / cover up and all the other gifts / bribes they didn't declare.
The gifts Stammer has received is all on public record over a 4 year period.
Next the prisoner release. Yes it sucks, but is largely a Tory policy a result it 14 years of complete failure and mismanagement. Prisons and prison guards can't be magically built overnight.
And are people seriously suggesting that you should be able to spout hate and bile online and get away with it, that you should be able to riot and try and burn down people's homes with people in it and that should go unpunished.
As soon as people started going to prison the riots stopped.
A bunch of sad morons who are too thick to realise they are being used by people like Farage and Tommy Robinson.
It's all an attempt from a media who is facing media reform to kick up enough dirt and hope that some of it sticks. Are labour perfect - No. But people need to wake up and see just how absolutely catastrophic the last 14 years of conservative rule has been.hahaha you think it's just the last 14 years the country has been going down the toilet? It's been a shit show since the very early 2000s,labour or tory take ya pick of what shit sandwich you wana eatYou do know that the last Labour government oversaw the longest continous period of growth we have ever seen. Mrs x"
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"You do know that the last Labour government oversaw the longest continous period of growth we have ever seen. Mrs x
Continuous period of growth in what way? I would love to look at that metric."
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"You do know that the last Labour government oversaw the longest continous period of growth we have ever seen. Mrs x
Continuous period of growth in what way? I would love to look at that metric.Just Google it, Mrs x"
If we are talking GDP, UK was on growth until Covid happened and that's not something any government could have done anything about. The GDP under the last labour government went down because of the recession.
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"It really is sad watching people swallow the BS that the right wing Tories media press shovel.
Let me deal with all of the above main points in turn.
The winter fuel allowance is being means tested, in 2020, 25% of pensioners were millionaires, compared to 14% of pensioners living in poverty.
Where is the outrage for the younger people who have to choose between heating and eating.
Numerous Tories have openly discussed means testing the winter fuel payment, but it was kept as a bribe because they didn't want to alienate their voter base.
The manufactured outrage from the conservatives and Torie press is laughable, considering Boris Johnson let 100,000s (let the bodies pile high) of pensioners die during COVID.
Sad though it is, pensioners do freeze during the winter, but mainly due to lack of understanding on how much the heating costs because of the fear tactics newspapers print in thier attempt to get clicks.
The issue of Stammers free gifts is another manufactured outrage, first of all the gifts in question come from a wealth labour politician who is already in the house of lords. Secondly the value of the gifts are a drop in the ocean compared to the £800,000 gift / loan Boris Johnson received for some wallpaper and then tried to lie about / cover up and all the other gifts / bribes they didn't declare.
The gifts Stammer has received is all on public record over a 4 year period.
Next the prisoner release. Yes it sucks, but is largely a Tory policy a result it 14 years of complete failure and mismanagement. Prisons and prison guards can't be magically built overnight.
And are people seriously suggesting that you should be able to spout hate and bile online and get away with it, that you should be able to riot and try and burn down people's homes with people in it and that should go unpunished.
As soon as people started going to prison the riots stopped.
A bunch of sad morons who are too thick to realise they are being used by people like Farage and Tommy Robinson.
It's all an attempt from a media who is facing media reform to kick up enough dirt and hope that some of it sticks. Are labour perfect - No. But people need to wake up and see just how absolutely catastrophic the last 14 years of conservative rule has been.hahaha you think it's just the last 14 years the country has been going down the toilet? It's been a shit show since the very early 2000s,labour or tory take ya pick of what shit sandwich you wana eatYou do know that the last Labour government oversaw the longest continous period of growth we have ever seen. Mrs x"
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The Tories have been releasing prisoners early for quite a while now. The prison staff and probation staff have been threatened with the sack if they talked to the press about it and their concerns.
This isn't a labour created issue as has been mentioned but there has been little or no investment in increasing capacity of prison cells or increasing capacity of the probation service that it is overwhelmed.
You cannot build prisons quickly. Its not like building a block of flats in a town centre where an office block was. You need it to meet certain criteria. That takes time and money.
There is a backlog of people being held on remand due to face trial as there isn't the prison space to house them once convicted and then Tommy Ten Names goes an invites racist violence whilst sunning himself abroad.
This stuff doesn't happen overnight and the last 14 years of Tory rule hasn't helped it due to underinvestment in critical national infrastructure such as NHS, Prisons, Probation, Policing, Education etc.
The winter fuel payments is going to be means tested. Sure, there will be some people who are just going to miss out due to their income but where and how do you draw a line? You could have a sliding scale and if they are over the line just, they get a reduced amount etc.
But there are no easy fixes to the last 14 years. It will take longer than 1 term for things to get fixed but I fear that people will expect things to be fixed in 6 months and when that doesn't happen, turn and vote for Tories at the next election. |
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"The Tories have been releasing prisoners early for quite a while now. The prison staff and probation staff have been threatened with the sack if they talked to the press about it and their concerns.
This isn't a labour created issue as has been mentioned but there has been little or no investment in increasing capacity of prison cells or increasing capacity of the probation service that it is overwhelmed.
You cannot build prisons quickly. Its not like building a block of flats in a town centre where an office block was. You need it to meet certain criteria. That takes time and money.
There is a backlog of people being held on remand due to face trial as there isn't the prison space to house them once convicted and then Tommy Ten Names goes an invites racist violence whilst sunning himself abroad.
This stuff doesn't happen overnight and the last 14 years of Tory rule hasn't helped it due to underinvestment in critical national infrastructure such as NHS, Prisons, Probation, Policing, Education etc.
The winter fuel payments is going to be means tested. Sure, there will be some people who are just going to miss out due to their income but where and how do you draw a line? You could have a sliding scale and if they are over the line just, they get a reduced amount etc.
But there are no easy fixes to the last 14 years. It will take longer than 1 term for things to get fixed but I fear that people will expect things to be fixed in 6 months and when that doesn't happen, turn and vote for Tories at the next election. "
What a lovely reply.
No angst, no nastiness, no screaming political bias.
You come over very unusual, a rare breed, a dinosaur.
In other words, a level headed mature man.
Well done.
Liz.x
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"The Tories have been releasing prisoners early for quite a while now. The prison staff and probation staff have been threatened with the sack if they talked to the press about it and their concerns.
This isn't a labour created issue as has been mentioned but there has been little or no investment in increasing capacity of prison cells or increasing capacity of the probation service that it is overwhelmed.
You cannot build prisons quickly. Its not like building a block of flats in a town centre where an office block was. You need it to meet certain criteria. That takes time and money.
There is a backlog of people being held on remand due to face trial as there isn't the prison space to house them once convicted and then Tommy Ten Names goes an invites racist violence whilst sunning himself abroad.
This stuff doesn't happen overnight and the last 14 years of Tory rule hasn't helped it due to underinvestment in critical national infrastructure such as NHS, Prisons, Probation, Policing, Education etc.
The winter fuel payments is going to be means tested. Sure, there will be some people who are just going to miss out due to their income but where and how do you draw a line? You could have a sliding scale and if they are over the line just, they get a reduced amount etc.
But there are no easy fixes to the last 14 years. It will take longer than 1 term for things to get fixed but I fear that people will expect things to be fixed in 6 months and when that doesn't happen, turn and vote for Tories at the next election. "
that is a lot of excuses for labour releasing 1700 prisoners en masse.
It might not have been as bad as it turned out to be if they had not released prisoners who committed certain crimes such as domestic violence, which they said adamantly they would not do.
Not having the probation services and tags ready was also a massive own goal too.
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"The Tories have been releasing prisoners early for quite a while now. The prison staff and probation staff have been threatened with the sack if they talked to the press about it and their concerns.
This isn't a labour created issue as has been mentioned but there has been little or no investment in increasing capacity of prison cells or increasing capacity of the probation service that it is overwhelmed.
You cannot build prisons quickly. Its not like building a block of flats in a town centre where an office block was. You need it to meet certain criteria. That takes time and money.
There is a backlog of people being held on remand due to face trial as there isn't the prison space to house them once convicted and then Tommy Ten Names goes an invites racist violence whilst sunning himself abroad.
This stuff doesn't happen overnight and the last 14 years of Tory rule hasn't helped it due to underinvestment in critical national infrastructure such as NHS, Prisons, Probation, Policing, Education etc.
The winter fuel payments is going to be means tested. Sure, there will be some people who are just going to miss out due to their income but where and how do you draw a line? You could have a sliding scale and if they are over the line just, they get a reduced amount etc.
But there are no easy fixes to the last 14 years. It will take longer than 1 term for things to get fixed but I fear that people will expect things to be fixed in 6 months and when that doesn't happen, turn and vote for Tories at the next election. "
I can tell you where you don't draw the line.
12 fucking grand, that's where. |
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"The Tories have been releasing prisoners early for quite a while now. The prison staff and probation staff have been threatened with the sack if they talked to the press about it and their concerns.
This isn't a labour created issue as has been mentioned but there has been little or no investment in increasing capacity of prison cells or increasing capacity of the probation service that it is overwhelmed.
You cannot build prisons quickly. Its not like building a block of flats in a town centre where an office block was. You need it to meet certain criteria. That takes time and money.
There is a backlog of people being held on remand due to face trial as there isn't the prison space to house them once convicted and then Tommy Ten Names goes an invites racist violence whilst sunning himself abroad.
This stuff doesn't happen overnight and the last 14 years of Tory rule hasn't helped it due to underinvestment in critical national infrastructure such as NHS, Prisons, Probation, Policing, Education etc.
The winter fuel payments is going to be means tested. Sure, there will be some people who are just going to miss out due to their income but where and how do you draw a line? You could have a sliding scale and if they are over the line just, they get a reduced amount etc.
But there are no easy fixes to the last 14 years. It will take longer than 1 term for things to get fixed but I fear that people will expect things to be fixed in 6 months and when that doesn't happen, turn and vote for Tories at the next election.
What a lovely reply.
No angst, no nastiness, no screaming political bias.
You come over very unusual, a rare breed, a dinosaur.
In other words, a level headed mature man.
Well done.
Liz.x
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"The Tories have been releasing prisoners early for quite a while now. The prison staff and probation staff have been threatened with the sack if they talked to the press about it and their concerns.
This isn't a labour created issue as has been mentioned but there has been little or no investment in increasing capacity of prison cells or increasing capacity of the probation service that it is overwhelmed.
You cannot build prisons quickly. Its not like building a block of flats in a town centre where an office block was. You need it to meet certain criteria. That takes time and money.
There is a backlog of people being held on remand due to face trial as there isn't the prison space to house them once convicted and then Tommy Ten Names goes an invites racist violence whilst sunning himself abroad.
This stuff doesn't happen overnight and the last 14 years of Tory rule hasn't helped it due to underinvestment in critical national infrastructure such as NHS, Prisons, Probation, Policing, Education etc.
The winter fuel payments is going to be means tested. Sure, there will be some people who are just going to miss out due to their income but where and how do you draw a line? You could have a sliding scale and if they are over the line just, they get a reduced amount etc.
But there are no easy fixes to the last 14 years. It will take longer than 1 term for things to get fixed but I fear that people will expect things to be fixed in 6 months and when that doesn't happen, turn and vote for Tories at the next election.
I can tell you where you don't draw the line.
12 fucking grand, that's where. "
Yeah where the line is drawn isn't right, that needs to be fixed. My in laws for example have complained about losing the wfp. And yet every 3 years they gift £10k to each of the three kids so as they don't go over a certain amount to save on tax.
When we explained that saving some of the money from pensioners that clearly do not need it and let the government invest it in much needed services such as providing more spaces at special schools for kids with learning difficulties, like their own grandson, who can't get a place, they just didn't get it.
But what level of income do you draw the line at as there has to be a cut off or people like Rod Stewart will still be drawing their wfp. I think they could have decreased it over time from everyone down to people under X amount, then in 2 years drop it further until you get a happy medium where only those that will actually use it and need it get it. |
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"The Tories have been releasing prisoners early for quite a while now. The prison staff and probation staff have been threatened with the sack if they talked to the press about it and their concerns.
This isn't a labour created issue as has been mentioned but there has been little or no investment in increasing capacity of prison cells or increasing capacity of the probation service that it is overwhelmed.
You cannot build prisons quickly. Its not like building a block of flats in a town centre where an office block was. You need it to meet certain criteria. That takes time and money.
There is a backlog of people being held on remand due to face trial as there isn't the prison space to house them once convicted and then Tommy Ten Names goes an invites racist violence whilst sunning himself abroad.
This stuff doesn't happen overnight and the last 14 years of Tory rule hasn't helped it due to underinvestment in critical national infrastructure such as NHS, Prisons, Probation, Policing, Education etc.
The winter fuel payments is going to be means tested. Sure, there will be some people who are just going to miss out due to their income but where and how do you draw a line? You could have a sliding scale and if they are over the line just, they get a reduced amount etc.
But there are no easy fixes to the last 14 years. It will take longer than 1 term for things to get fixed but I fear that people will expect things to be fixed in 6 months and when that doesn't happen, turn and vote for Tories at the next election. "
Get real the righteous righties want it fixed yesterday. |
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"The Tories have been releasing prisoners early for quite a while now. The prison staff and probation staff have been threatened with the sack if they talked to the press about it and their concerns.
This isn't a labour created issue as has been mentioned but there has been little or no investment in increasing capacity of prison cells or increasing capacity of the probation service that it is overwhelmed.
You cannot build prisons quickly. Its not like building a block of flats in a town centre where an office block was. You need it to meet certain criteria. That takes time and money.
There is a backlog of people being held on remand due to face trial as there isn't the prison space to house them once convicted and then Tommy Ten Names goes an invites racist violence whilst sunning himself abroad.
This stuff doesn't happen overnight and the last 14 years of Tory rule hasn't helped it due to underinvestment in critical national infrastructure such as NHS, Prisons, Probation, Policing, Education etc.
The winter fuel payments is going to be means tested. Sure, there will be some people who are just going to miss out due to their income but where and how do you draw a line? You could have a sliding scale and if they are over the line just, they get a reduced amount etc.
But there are no easy fixes to the last 14 years. It will take longer than 1 term for things to get fixed but I fear that people will expect things to be fixed in 6 months and when that doesn't happen, turn and vote for Tories at the next election.
What a lovely reply.
No angst, no nastiness, no screaming political bias.
You come over very unusual, a rare breed, a dinosaur.
In other words, a level headed mature man.
Well done.
Liz.x
You thought level headed, I thought blame game "
Haha.
That's what makes us different.
How nice is that? |
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