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"Fags
Booze
Car tax
Anything else?"
Petrol levy.
People's pensions, possibly the bit you can currently get tax free and / or the tax advantages of contributing to a pension.
Tax free money on interest via savings.
Capital gains tax.
Thresholds on earnings being frozen even longer.
Possible reverse of NI reduction.
I'm sure there are many more they can choose from.
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Ready to do Labour for less Tories - aka less cash..Labour is going tax your Labour to make you feel good about voting for Labour. Time to do last Labour and move to a country that doesn’t tax your Labour. |
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"Fags
Booze
Car tax
Anything else?
Petrol levy.
People's pensions, possibly the bit you can currently get tax free and / or the tax advantages of contributing to a pension.
Tax free money on interest via savings.
Capital gains tax.
Thresholds on earnings being frozen even longer.
Possible reverse of NI reduction.
I'm sure there are many more they can choose from.
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Capital gains tax maybe the big one, equalised to income tax rates. |
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When electioneering Reeves said it was all about the economy and growth. No big pro business polices.
8 weeks on and no signs of that, Sunak was right, raiding peoples savings and income is what Labour are about. |
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It'll be more subtle than that.
Probably Capital Gains Tax changes so more people fall in the net, and ditto Inheritance Tax. Tax perks like ISAs will be scaled back, as will tax relief on pension contributions and tax-free lump sums. Basically, anybody who's been responsible and thrifty will get clobbered. But hey that's Socialism for you "To each according to their needs ....etc" |
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By *ronisMan 17 weeks ago
Edinburgh |
If labour can tax it they will. Any excuse to steal peoples money and blow it on expanding the state sector or giving in to unions.
All so predictable.
I'm always amazed that people are surprised. What? Labour increase tax? Nick other folks money? Surely not.
Socialism. Dontcha love it?
NO. |
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"If labour can tax it they will. Any excuse to steal peoples money and blow it on expanding the state sector or giving in to unions.
All so predictable.
I'm always amazed that people are surprised. What? Labour increase tax? Nick other folks money? Surely not.
Socialism. Dontcha love it?
NO."
This is on top of Sunaks tax rises, the highest since 1948 |
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By *ronisMan 17 weeks ago
Edinburgh |
"If labour can tax it they will. Any excuse to steal peoples money and blow it on expanding the state sector or giving in to unions.
All so predictable.
I'm always amazed that people are surprised. What? Labour increase tax? Nick other folks money? Surely not.
Socialism. Dontcha love it?
NO.
This is on top of Sunaks tax rises, the highest since 1948 "
Yip. Another socialist masquerading as a Tory. |
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By *yth11Couple 17 weeks ago
newark |
"Fags
Booze
Car tax
Anything else?"
Lots of net zero taxes to keep us in line with the EU
Including
1. End of free carbon emissions for flights to Europe
2.Carbon boarder adjustment mechanism
3. Carbon taxing shipping emissions
4.bringing red diesel in line with EU this one mainly effects boat owners.
She might announce full vat on domestic heating fuel but starting 2030 plus a new carbon tax starting 2028 but she might leave for that a couple of years.
I also would be not shocked if there was some form of meat tax or waste tax were to be introduced.
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By *ronisMan 17 weeks ago
Edinburgh |
"Fags
Booze
Car tax
Anything else?
Lots of net zero taxes to keep us in line with the EU
Including
1. End of free carbon emissions for flights to Europe
2.Carbon boarder adjustment mechanism
3. Carbon taxing shipping emissions
4.bringing red diesel in line with EU this one mainly effects boat owners.
She might announce full vat on domestic heating fuel but starting 2030 plus a new carbon tax starting 2028 but she might leave for that a couple of years.
I also would be not shocked if there was some form of meat tax or waste tax were to be introduced.
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Yet people still vote for left wing parties, that's all of em except Reform. I'm not even sure about them.
Why do people want their freedoms and choices taken from them?
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"Looks like they are trying to front-load all the hard decisions now itself so that they can go soft towards the end of their tenure and gain popularity for the next election."
What, like the tories did? Fortunately 14 years of shit and people finally recognised them for the self serving people they were. |
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"If labour can tax it they will. Any excuse to steal peoples money and blow it on expanding the state sector or giving in to unions.
All so predictable.
I'm always amazed that people are surprised. What? Labour increase tax? Nick other folks money? Surely not.
Socialism. Dontcha love it?
NO."
Instead of giving it to their mates! |
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"Fags
Booze
Car tax
Anything else?
Lots of net zero taxes to keep us in line with the EU
Including
1. End of free carbon emissions for flights to Europe
2.Carbon boarder adjustment mechanism
3. Carbon taxing shipping emissions
4.bringing red diesel in line with EU this one mainly effects boat owners.
She might announce full vat on domestic heating fuel but starting 2030 plus a new carbon tax starting 2028 but she might leave for that a couple of years.
I also would be not shocked if there was some form of meat tax or waste tax were to be introduced.
Yet people still vote for left wing parties, that's all of em except Reform. I'm not even sure about them.
Why do people want their freedoms and choices taken from them?
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Historically tories win GEs more often than Labour, so get your facts right. |
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By *ronisMan 17 weeks ago
Edinburgh |
"If labour can tax it they will. Any excuse to steal peoples money and blow it on expanding the state sector or giving in to unions.
All so predictable.
I'm always amazed that people are surprised. What? Labour increase tax? Nick other folks money? Surely not.
Socialism. Dontcha love it?
NO.
Instead of giving it to their mates!"
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"Looks like they are trying to front-load all the hard decisions now itself so that they can go soft towards the end of their tenure and gain popularity for the next election.
What, like the tories did? Fortunately 14 years of shit and people finally recognised them for the self serving people they were."
Never said Tories didn't do it. But Labour aren't any different |
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"Looks like they are trying to front-load all the hard decisions now itself so that they can go soft towards the end of their tenure and gain popularity for the next election.
What, like the tories did? Fortunately 14 years of shit and people finally recognised them for the self serving people they were.
Never said Tories didn't do it. But Labour aren't any different "
But wasn't Labour supposed to be better. Just copying the Tories is hardly a good idea, especially when they have (rightly) complained about it for years. It didn't take them long to get into the swing of it |
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"Fags
Booze
Car tax
Anything else?"
I don't believe they'll cancel the fuel tax, it would affect far too many voters. I understand the hit them hard early in the parliament theory but in that thinking you might as well cancel child benefit and lose support of all the single parents and hopefully they'll have forgotten about it by the next election. I'll be amazed if it happens, too many other stealthy ways to raise funds |
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One of starmers statements that the big energy companies that made billions would be paying windfall tax.
Now if they've made so much (shell I think had 22 billion in profits) then cut winter fuel payments then what's he playing at? |
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"One of starmers statements that the big energy companies that made billions would be paying windfall tax.
Now if they've made so much (shell I think had 22 billion in profits) then cut winter fuel payments then what's he playing at?"
Shhhhhh  |
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"Looks like they are trying to front-load all the hard decisions now itself so that they can go soft towards the end of their tenure and gain popularity for the next election.
What, like the tories did? Fortunately 14 years of shit and people finally recognised them for the self serving people they were.
Never said Tories didn't do it. But Labour aren't any different
But wasn't Labour supposed to be better. Just copying the Tories is hardly a good idea, especially when they have (rightly) complained about it for years. It didn't take them long to get into the swing of it"
Politicians are politicians I guess 
As I have always said, the biggest problem in Europe is people who still keep believing that the government will magically solve all the problems. They can't. They will only make it worse. It will take awhile for this denial to go away. |
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"One of starmers statements that the big energy companies that made billions would be paying windfall tax.
Now if they've made so much (shell I think had 22 billion in profits) then cut winter fuel payments then what's he playing at?"
One thing is for sure, the veneer is off and people now seeing what they voted for. |
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By *otMe66Man 17 weeks ago
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"One of starmers statements that the big energy companies that made billions would be paying windfall tax.
Now if they've made so much (shell I think had 22 billion in profits) then cut winter fuel payments then what's he playing at?"
Baring his chest, grunting in faux pain as he gets ready to sacrifice a sector of society that makes the next hike or cut more palatable!
Whoever is hit next, how can they moan about Starmer's money grab after the pensioners have been dealt with so harshly? Shame on you for moaning..... |
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Countries with the highest taxes in the world.
In descending order (#1 at the bottom is the most expensive)
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17. France - 45%
16. Spain - 47%
15. Ireland - 40%
14. Luxembourg - 42%
13. Germany - 45%
12. Portugal - ?
11. The Netherlands - 49.5%
10. Slovenia - 50%
9. Israel - 50%
8. Belgium - 50-54%
7. Aruba - 52% wherever that is
6. Sweden - 52.3 %
5. Austria - 55%
4. Denmark - 53%
3. Japan - 45%
2. Finland - 44%
1. Ivory Coast - 60%
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It's interesting to note the UK doesn't make that list at all.
(We are talking top marginal rates here by the way).
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I don't why the list is a bit variable in its rankings, but some rates are approximated.
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There is a correlation though with countries with high GDP demanding more tax from their citizens.
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I suppose though it really comes down to the demands and expectations of the citizenry doesn't it ?
.
Want the roads fixed and potholes filled in, preferably within a few days ?
Want the streets swept and litter picked at least once a week ? (I'd prefer more often personally).
Parks maintained
Police/Fire/Ambulances equipped with state of the art kit
Defence Forces with state of the art kit
Hospitals with the best care available for all.
And for all the people who work in these public services to be paid above min-wage, if not comparable with other countries to prevent skill drain.
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We're not on the list of those above and believing for one moment we could have all the nice things I listed at minimal to no cost to the tax-payer is quite absurd. If the tax-payer doesn't fund those things, then who will and how ?
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And if I don't fund those services, what rights do I have as a citizen to use them ? None, I would wager. Which would mean a private enterprise could charge for them and some of the profit won't go back in to maintaining a high service level. It will be maintained as just "adequate". I don't expect my government to provide "just adequate". I expect a lot more for my fellow citizens. |
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"Countries with the highest taxes in the world.
In descending order (#1 at the bottom is the most expensive)
.
17. France - 45%
16. Spain - 47%
15. Ireland - 40%
14. Luxembourg - 42%
13. Germany - 45%
12. Portugal - ?
11. The Netherlands - 49.5%
10. Slovenia - 50%
9. Israel - 50%
8. Belgium - 50-54%
7. Aruba - 52% wherever that is
6. Sweden - 52.3 %
5. Austria - 55%
4. Denmark - 53%
3. Japan - 45%
2. Finland - 44%
1. Ivory Coast - 60%
.
It's interesting to note the UK doesn't make that list at all.
(We are talking top marginal rates here by the way).
.
I don't why the list is a bit variable in its rankings, but some rates are approximated.
.
There is a correlation though with countries with high GDP demanding more tax from their citizens.
.
I suppose though it really comes down to the demands and expectations of the citizenry doesn't it ?
.
Want the roads fixed and potholes filled in, preferably within a few days ?
Want the streets swept and litter picked at least once a week ? (I'd prefer more often personally).
Parks maintained
Police/Fire/Ambulances equipped with state of the art kit
Defence Forces with state of the art kit
Hospitals with the best care available for all.
And for all the people who work in these public services to be paid above min-wage, if not comparable with other countries to prevent skill drain.
.
We're not on the list of those above and believing for one moment we could have all the nice things I listed at minimal to no cost to the tax-payer is quite absurd. If the tax-payer doesn't fund those things, then who will and how ?
.
And if I don't fund those services, what rights do I have as a citizen to use them ? None, I would wager. Which would mean a private enterprise could charge for them and some of the profit won't go back in to maintaining a high service level. It will be maintained as just "adequate". I don't expect my government to provide "just adequate". I expect a lot more for my fellow citizens."
If you take Nordic countries, Sweden and Denmark has high tax for everyone. Sweden had a minimum 30% tax even for the lowest earners. If you earn something close to £50,000 per annum, you fall into the tax bracket over 50%
It has two-pronged effect. You collect more taxes. It also instills more personal responsibility as pretty much everyone has contributed their own money.
But all left wing parties here keep repeating "tax the rich" as a slogan as though that's going to solve the problem.
Also in Sweden, you can't keep getting unemployment benefit. From what I know they will breath down your neck asking you every week what you are doing to get a job. At some point, they will give you a few options. If you don't take them, you won't get the benefits. Here, I have seen people going to ridiculous extent to defend the ones who won't go to work. |
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By *otMe66Man 17 weeks ago
Terra Firma |
"Countries with the highest taxes in the world.
In descending order (#1 at the bottom is the most expensive)
.
17. France - 45%
16. Spain - 47%
15. Ireland - 40%
14. Luxembourg - 42%
13. Germany - 45%
12. Portugal - ?
11. The Netherlands - 49.5%
10. Slovenia - 50%
9. Israel - 50%
8. Belgium - 50-54%
7. Aruba - 52% wherever that is
6. Sweden - 52.3 %
5. Austria - 55%
4. Denmark - 53%
3. Japan - 45%
2. Finland - 44%
1. Ivory Coast - 60%
.
It's interesting to note the UK doesn't make that list at all.
(We are talking top marginal rates here by the way).
.
I don't why the list is a bit variable in its rankings, but some rates are approximated.
.
There is a correlation though with countries with high GDP demanding more tax from their citizens.
.
I suppose though it really comes down to the demands and expectations of the citizenry doesn't it ?
.
Want the roads fixed and potholes filled in, preferably within a few days ?
Want the streets swept and litter picked at least once a week ? (I'd prefer more often personally).
Parks maintained
Police/Fire/Ambulances equipped with state of the art kit
Defence Forces with state of the art kit
Hospitals with the best care available for all.
And for all the people who work in these public services to be paid above min-wage, if not comparable with other countries to prevent skill drain.
.
We're not on the list of those above and believing for one moment we could have all the nice things I listed at minimal to no cost to the tax-payer is quite absurd. If the tax-payer doesn't fund those things, then who will and how ?
.
And if I don't fund those services, what rights do I have as a citizen to use them ? None, I would wager. Which would mean a private enterprise could charge for them and some of the profit won't go back in to maintaining a high service level. It will be maintained as just "adequate". I don't expect my government to provide "just adequate". I expect a lot more for my fellow citizens."
Why would you expect anyone to want to provide more when 9.5billion was given away to union ransoms and other public sector workers, when they knew there wasn't enough money to give away?
Do you trust them to spend your money wisely?
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"Countries with the highest taxes in the world.
In descending order (#1 at the bottom is the most expensive)
.
17. France - 45%
16. Spain - 47%
15. Ireland - 40%
14. Luxembourg - 42%
13. Germany - 45%
12. Portugal - ?
11. The Netherlands - 49.5%
10. Slovenia - 50%
9. Israel - 50%
8. Belgium - 50-54%
7. Aruba - 52% wherever that is
6. Sweden - 52.3 %
5. Austria - 55%
4. Denmark - 53%
3. Japan - 45%
2. Finland - 44%
1. Ivory Coast - 60%
.
It's interesting to note the UK doesn't make that list at all.
(We are talking top marginal rates here by the way).
.
I don't why the list is a bit variable in its rankings, but some rates are approximated.
.
There is a correlation though with countries with high GDP demanding more tax from their citizens.
.
I suppose though it really comes down to the demands and expectations of the citizenry doesn't it ?
.
Want the roads fixed and potholes filled in, preferably within a few days ?
Want the streets swept and litter picked at least once a week ? (I'd prefer more often personally).
Parks maintained
Police/Fire/Ambulances equipped with state of the art kit
Defence Forces with state of the art kit
Hospitals with the best care available for all.
And for all the people who work in these public services to be paid above min-wage, if not comparable with other countries to prevent skill drain.
.
We're not on the list of those above and believing for one moment we could have all the nice things I listed at minimal to no cost to the tax-payer is quite absurd. If the tax-payer doesn't fund those things, then who will and how ?
.
And if I don't fund those services, what rights do I have as a citizen to use them ? None, I would wager. Which would mean a private enterprise could charge for them and some of the profit won't go back in to maintaining a high service level. It will be maintained as just "adequate". I don't expect my government to provide "just adequate". I expect a lot more for my fellow citizens.
Why would you expect anyone to want to provide more when 9.5billion was given away to union ransoms and other public sector workers, when they knew there wasn't enough money to give away?
Do you trust them to spend your money wisely?
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Those unions provide the workers which provide the services I rely and depend upon. I want them well paid and motivated. |
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By *otMe66Man 17 weeks ago
Terra Firma |
"Countries with the highest taxes in the world.
In descending order (#1 at the bottom is the most expensive)
.
17. France - 45%
16. Spain - 47%
15. Ireland - 40%
14. Luxembourg - 42%
13. Germany - 45%
12. Portugal - ?
11. The Netherlands - 49.5%
10. Slovenia - 50%
9. Israel - 50%
8. Belgium - 50-54%
7. Aruba - 52% wherever that is
6. Sweden - 52.3 %
5. Austria - 55%
4. Denmark - 53%
3. Japan - 45%
2. Finland - 44%
1. Ivory Coast - 60%
.
It's interesting to note the UK doesn't make that list at all.
(We are talking top marginal rates here by the way).
.
I don't why the list is a bit variable in its rankings, but some rates are approximated.
.
There is a correlation though with countries with high GDP demanding more tax from their citizens.
.
I suppose though it really comes down to the demands and expectations of the citizenry doesn't it ?
.
Want the roads fixed and potholes filled in, preferably within a few days ?
Want the streets swept and litter picked at least once a week ? (I'd prefer more often personally).
Parks maintained
Police/Fire/Ambulances equipped with state of the art kit
Defence Forces with state of the art kit
Hospitals with the best care available for all.
And for all the people who work in these public services to be paid above min-wage, if not comparable with other countries to prevent skill drain.
.
We're not on the list of those above and believing for one moment we could have all the nice things I listed at minimal to no cost to the tax-payer is quite absurd. If the tax-payer doesn't fund those things, then who will and how ?
.
And if I don't fund those services, what rights do I have as a citizen to use them ? None, I would wager. Which would mean a private enterprise could charge for them and some of the profit won't go back in to maintaining a high service level. It will be maintained as just "adequate". I don't expect my government to provide "just adequate". I expect a lot more for my fellow citizens.
Why would you expect anyone to want to provide more when 9.5billion was given away to union ransoms and other public sector workers, when they knew there wasn't enough money to give away?
Do you trust them to spend your money wisely?
Those unions provide the workers which provide the services I rely and depend upon. I want them well paid and motivated."
Would you prefer to provide for yourself at all, or give everything to the government to look after you?
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But all left wing parties here keep repeating "tax the rich" as a slogan as though that's going to solve the problem.
Also in Sweden, you can't keep getting unemployment benefit. From what I know they will breath down your neck asking you every week what you are doing to get a job. At some point, they will give you a few options. If you don't take them, you won't get the benefits. Here, I have seen people going to ridiculous extent to defend the ones who won't go to work."
Taxing the rich is only part of the equation. You've got to tax everyone of course.
The problem being how do you tax those with nowt, and those with everything ?
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The Swedish model does have some major advantages, though I am not sure on "enforced job hunting" in quite that manner.
That's "enforced labour" by any other name, and only convicts seem to perform that (with all the problems THAT entails).
Perhaps it would be better to have a "Stand Aside" status, involving UBI. Not everyone wants to work. They might like to work for a charity. Or provide care to sick parents. So they are taking themselves out of the worker pool and standing aside. That frees up positions for others to fill. So they are "standing aside" to help others. That should not be penalised. Their caring of their parents for example, is saving money and taxes elsewhere.
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"Would you prefer to provide for yourself at all, or give everything to the government to look after you?
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The last time I checked, I was unable to drive a tank (well not in real life, but done it loads of times on the PC), drive an ambulance, arrest a burglar (I might be able to turn them from a life of crime however), put out a house fire (no fire engine, see ?), or do brain surgery (I did play Operation as a juvenile once).
I'm more than happy to pay taxes to the government to allow working professionals to adopt these roles however.
I am not Bear Grylls trying to survive on my own, nor do I aspire to be. My ancestors left their caves a long time ago and felt there was merit in working together and appointing civic infrastructure and representatives to run their societies for them.
I'm very happy for the government (whoever they happen to be) to run these services, provided they are funded and provisioned at a very high level and to high standards. |
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It will come back to bite him on the bum.
It will stunt the growth and as each year goes by the country will be worse off.
He needs to get the country producing more energy and help farmers they keep getting neglected attract investors and manufacturing.
We live in a 24hr society the government is raking in tax as we speak. The public sector pay rises are getting taxed so there's no need to get heavy handed over tax.
People will stop spending prices will rise, interest rates will go up, back two steps unnecessarily. |
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* Hs2 £70bn over budget
* 33% of males (and 27% adults) have a criminal record costing billions in police time, legal aid and jails
* £70bn a year spent treating self inflicted obesity, alcoholism, drug mis use and smoking related diseases while bleating on about nhs failure
* £118bn a year interest on the national debt Labour doubled and then tories trebled
* £67bn wasted by Labour on nhs PFI (that cost £80bn and delivered £13bn)
* £31bn spent of Iraq and Afghan wars
* £6bn given away on ‘extra’ right to buy discounts (2011-2012)
* £800 million wasted on illegal abandoned Rwanda policy
* £25 million a year spent maintaining 10,000 long term empty MOD while spending £2bn housing homeless in hotels
* £52 million on Boris Johnson abandoned garden bridge project
* £40 million annual tax hit on Brexit trade
* £7.94bn wasted on overpriced and unusable covid PPE
* Government has wasted £26.8 billion under Sunak’s watch, says ‘ no money left ‘ Labour
Begging bowl demanded by Starmer to continue fleecing the tax payer |
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The hard decisions because the tories took all the cash.
Hang on heard that before but in reverse.
So in four years will you be set up again?
What will you do, vote tory, vote reform, or don't bother at all.
All I have to do is walk down my local high street and see the amount of people begging in one of the richest countries in the world
And people are still voting for it.
This time you will get what you voted for highest taxes since the war, even higher than they are now.
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"If labour can tax it they will. Any excuse to steal peoples money and blow it on expanding the state sector or giving in to unions.
All so predictable.
I'm always amazed that people are surprised. What? Labour increase tax? Nick other folks money? Surely not.
Socialism. Dontcha love it?
NO."
100 per cent. All completely predictable, but people fell for the lies. |
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But all left wing parties here keep repeating "tax the rich" as a slogan as though that's going to solve the problem.
Also in Sweden, you can't keep getting unemployment benefit. From what I know they will breath down your neck asking you every week what you are doing to get a job. At some point, they will give you a few options. If you don't take them, you won't get the benefits. Here, I have seen people going to ridiculous extent to defend the ones who won't go to work.
Taxing the rich is only part of the equation. You've got to tax everyone of course.
The problem being how do you tax those with nowt, and those with everything ?
.
The Swedish model does have some major advantages, though I am not sure on "enforced job hunting" in quite that manner.
That's "enforced labour" by any other name, and only convicts seem to perform that (with all the problems THAT entails).
Perhaps it would be better to have a "Stand Aside" status, involving UBI. Not everyone wants to work. They might like to work for a charity. Or provide care to sick parents. So they are taking themselves out of the worker pool and standing aside. That frees up positions for others to fill. So they are "standing aside" to help others. That should not be penalised. Their caring of their parents for example, is saving money and taxes elsewhere.
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The only way you can get Swedish type social welfare is to follow their methods too. Last I checked, we have 9 million people not going to work. A Swedish type social welfare wouldn't function of a huge ratio of people are unwilling to work. No one is being penalised here. Penalisation would be taking away their money. The government just wouldn't give away free money for them to sit on their ass. It's a privilege that won't be available for them after a year. No one is forcing them to work. The government just won't pay them money for not working.
Taxation wise, they tax even the lowest earners. That essentially means UK getting rid of its no-tax slab and even the lowest tax slab and increasing their taxes to about 30%. Are people willing to do that? |
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By *otMe66Man 17 weeks ago
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But all left wing parties here keep repeating "tax the rich" as a slogan as though that's going to solve the problem.
Also in Sweden, you can't keep getting unemployment benefit. From what I know they will breath down your neck asking you every week what you are doing to get a job. At some point, they will give you a few options. If you don't take them, you won't get the benefits. Here, I have seen people going to ridiculous extent to defend the ones who won't go to work.
Taxing the rich is only part of the equation. You've got to tax everyone of course.
The problem being how do you tax those with nowt, and those with everything ?
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The Swedish model does have some major advantages, though I am not sure on "enforced job hunting" in quite that manner.
That's "enforced labour" by any other name, and only convicts seem to perform that (with all the problems THAT entails).
Perhaps it would be better to have a "Stand Aside" status, involving UBI. Not everyone wants to work. They might like to work for a charity. Or provide care to sick parents. So they are taking themselves out of the worker pool and standing aside. That frees up positions for others to fill. So they are "standing aside" to help others. That should not be penalised. Their caring of their parents for example, is saving money and taxes elsewhere.
The only way you can get Swedish type social welfare is to follow their methods too. Last I checked, we have 9 million people not going to work. A Swedish type social welfare wouldn't function of a huge ratio of people are unwilling to work. No one is being penalised here. Penalisation would be taking away their money. The government just wouldn't give away free money for them to sit on their ass. It's a privilege that won't be available for them after a year. No one is forcing them to work. The government just won't pay them money for not working.
Taxation wise, they tax even the lowest earners. That essentially means UK getting rid of its no-tax slab and even the lowest tax slab and increasing their taxes to about 30%. Are people willing to do that?"
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"* Hs2 £70bn over budget
* 33% of males (and 27% adults) have a criminal record costing billions in police time, legal aid and jails
* £70bn a year spent treating self inflicted obesity, alcoholism, drug mis use and smoking related diseases while bleating on about nhs failure
* £118bn a year interest on the national debt Labour doubled and then tories trebled
* £67bn wasted by Labour on nhs PFI (that cost £80bn and delivered £13bn)
* £31bn spent of Iraq and Afghan wars
* £6bn given away on ‘extra’ right to buy discounts (2011-2012)
* £800 million wasted on illegal abandoned Rwanda policy
* £25 million a year spent maintaining 10,000 long term empty MOD while spending £2bn housing homeless in hotels
* £52 million on Boris Johnson abandoned garden bridge project
* £40 million annual tax hit on Brexit trade
* £7.94bn wasted on overpriced and unusable covid PPE
* Government has wasted £26.8 billion under Sunak’s watch, says ‘ no money left ‘ Labour
Begging bowl demanded by Starmer to continue fleecing the tax payer"
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But all left wing parties here keep repeating "tax the rich" as a slogan as though that's going to solve the problem.
Also in Sweden, you can't keep getting unemployment benefit. From what I know they will breath down your neck asking you every week what you are doing to get a job. At some point, they will give you a few options. If you don't take them, you won't get the benefits. Here, I have seen people going to ridiculous extent to defend the ones who won't go to work.
Taxing the rich is only part of the equation. You've got to tax everyone of course.
The problem being how do you tax those with nowt, and those with everything ?
.
The Swedish model does have some major advantages, though I am not sure on "enforced job hunting" in quite that manner.
That's "enforced labour" by any other name, and only convicts seem to perform that (with all the problems THAT entails).
Perhaps it would be better to have a "Stand Aside" status, involving UBI. Not everyone wants to work. They might like to work for a charity. Or provide care to sick parents. So they are taking themselves out of the worker pool and standing aside. That frees up positions for others to fill. So they are "standing aside" to help others. That should not be penalised. Their caring of their parents for example, is saving money and taxes elsewhere.
The only way you can get Swedish type social welfare is to follow their methods too. Last I checked, we have 9 million people not going to work. A Swedish type social welfare wouldn't function of a huge ratio of people are unwilling to work. No one is being penalised here. Penalisation would be taking away their money. The government just wouldn't give away free money for them to sit on their ass. It's a privilege that won't be available for them after a year. No one is forcing them to work. The government just won't pay them money for not working.
Taxation wise, they tax even the lowest earners. That essentially means UK getting rid of its no-tax slab and even the lowest tax slab and increasing their taxes to about 30%. Are people willing to do that?
Contribution style benefits seems to be worth looking into, I like the idea that if someone decides not to work and can that they start to lose benefit over time. Makes sense when trying to promote more people into the workplace. "
If someone could work, but chooses not to, they should not be entitled to any support at all.
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Pensions, state pension tax grabs and the raiding of private pension funds. But wither ye not, people who have never worked, or contributed a penny will be better off.
These fuckers either haven't got a scobies or they are deliberately looking to take our hard earned, and giving it to people who really don’t deserve it… |
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"Pensions, state pension tax grabs and the raiding of private pension funds. But wither ye not, people who have never worked, or contributed a penny will be better off.
These fuckers either haven't got a scobies or they are deliberately looking to take our hard earned, and giving it to people who really don’t deserve it…"
True. And hard-working successful people would have been better off if they pissed all their money away, as those who have saved hard for retirement are about to be fleeced |
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"Pensions, state pension tax grabs and the raiding of private pension funds. But wither ye not, people who have never worked, or contributed a penny will be better off.
These fuckers either haven't got a scobies or they are deliberately looking to take our hard earned, and giving it to people who really don’t deserve it…"
Gordon Brown hit the pension funds
Until 1997, pension funds got a tax credit. So if they were paid £80 in dividends, they got back £20 as a credit. The rationale was that the company had already paid corporation tax and for pensioners at least there should be some sort of rebate.
The numbers did not look huge. It raised £5billion a year and, since pensioners did not realise what was happening, Brown slipped it through in his first Budget that summer without much hassle
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"Pensions, state pension tax grabs and the raiding of private pension funds. But wither ye not, people who have never worked, or contributed a penny will be better off.
These fuckers either haven't got a scobies or they are deliberately looking to take our hard earned, and giving it to people who really don’t deserve it…"
It is the amounts wasted - listed a few examples above
Boris Johnson £900,000 repainting his aeroplane
Liz Truss £4170 on a new lectern
Jeremy Hunt £44,000 on his office en suite (from nhs budget)
£100 a room a night for asylum, plenty of empty MOD homes available.
£320,000 spent on Boris Johnson’s water cannon, Khan scrapped it for £25k
Sunaks many £10k helicopter jolly’s and £40m contract |
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"If labour can tax it they will. Any excuse to steal peoples money and blow it on expanding the state sector or giving in to unions.
All so predictable.
I'm always amazed that people are surprised. What? Labour increase tax? Nick other folks money? Surely not.
Socialism. Dontcha love it?
NO.
Instead of giving it to their mates!
Explain please."
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"Looks like they are trying to front-load all the hard decisions now itself so that they can go soft towards the end of their tenure and gain popularity for the next election.
What, like the tories did? Fortunately 14 years of shit and people finally recognised them for the self serving people they were.
Never said Tories didn't do it. But Labour aren't any different "
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"Countries with the highest taxes in the world.
In descending order (#1 at the bottom is the most expensive)
.
17. France - 45%
16. Spain - 47%
15. Ireland - 40%
14. Luxembourg - 42%
13. Germany - 45%
12. Portugal - ?
11. The Netherlands - 49.5%
10. Slovenia - 50%
9. Israel - 50%
8. Belgium - 50-54%
7. Aruba - 52% wherever that is
6. Sweden - 52.3 %
5. Austria - 55%
4. Denmark - 53%
3. Japan - 45%
2. Finland - 44%
1. Ivory Coast - 60%
.
It's interesting to note the UK doesn't make that list at all.
(We are talking top marginal rates here by the way).
.
I don't why the list is a bit variable in its rankings, but some rates are approximated.
.
There is a correlation though with countries with high GDP demanding more tax from their citizens.
.
I suppose though it really comes down to the demands and expectations of the citizenry doesn't it ?
.
Want the roads fixed and potholes filled in, preferably within a few days ?
Want the streets swept and litter picked at least once a week ? (I'd prefer more often personally).
Parks maintained
Police/Fire/Ambulances equipped with state of the art kit
Defence Forces with state of the art kit
Hospitals with the best care available for all.
And for all the people who work in these public services to be paid above min-wage, if not comparable with other countries to prevent skill drain.
.
We're not on the list of those above and believing for one moment we could have all the nice things I listed at minimal to no cost to the tax-payer is quite absurd. If the tax-payer doesn't fund those things, then who will and how ?
.
And if I don't fund those services, what rights do I have as a citizen to use them ? None, I would wager. Which would mean a private enterprise could charge for them and some of the profit won't go back in to maintaining a high service level. It will be maintained as just "adequate". I don't expect my government to provide "just adequate". I expect a lot more for my fellow citizens.
If you take Nordic countries, Sweden and Denmark has high tax for everyone. Sweden had a minimum 30% tax even for the lowest earners. If you earn something close to £50,000 per annum, you fall into the tax bracket over 50%
It has two-pronged effect. You collect more taxes. It also instills more personal responsibility as pretty much everyone has contributed their own money.
But all left wing parties here keep repeating "tax the rich" as a slogan as though that's going to solve the problem.
Also in Sweden, you can't keep getting unemployment benefit. From what I know they will breath down your neck asking you every week what you are doing to get a job. At some point, they will give you a few options. If you don't take them, you won't get the benefits. Here, I have seen people going to ridiculous extent to defend the ones who won't go to work."
I must have missed those posts where people defend those who refuse to work. |
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"Countries with the highest taxes in the world.
In descending order (#1 at the bottom is the most expensive)
.
17. France - 45%
16. Spain - 47%
15. Ireland - 40%
14. Luxembourg - 42%
13. Germany - 45%
12. Portugal - ?
11. The Netherlands - 49.5%
10. Slovenia - 50%
9. Israel - 50%
8. Belgium - 50-54%
7. Aruba - 52% wherever that is
6. Sweden - 52.3 %
5. Austria - 55%
4. Denmark - 53%
3. Japan - 45%
2. Finland - 44%
1. Ivory Coast - 60%
.
It's interesting to note the UK doesn't make that list at all.
(We are talking top marginal rates here by the way).
.
I don't why the list is a bit variable in its rankings, but some rates are approximated.
.
There is a correlation though with countries with high GDP demanding more tax from their citizens.
.
I suppose though it really comes down to the demands and expectations of the citizenry doesn't it ?
.
Want the roads fixed and potholes filled in, preferably within a few days ?
Want the streets swept and litter picked at least once a week ? (I'd prefer more often personally).
Parks maintained
Police/Fire/Ambulances equipped with state of the art kit
Defence Forces with state of the art kit
Hospitals with the best care available for all.
And for all the people who work in these public services to be paid above min-wage, if not comparable with other countries to prevent skill drain.
.
We're not on the list of those above and believing for one moment we could have all the nice things I listed at minimal to no cost to the tax-payer is quite absurd. If the tax-payer doesn't fund those things, then who will and how ?
.
And if I don't fund those services, what rights do I have as a citizen to use them ? None, I would wager. Which would mean a private enterprise could charge for them and some of the profit won't go back in to maintaining a high service level. It will be maintained as just "adequate". I don't expect my government to provide "just adequate". I expect a lot more for my fellow citizens.
If you take Nordic countries, Sweden and Denmark has high tax for everyone. Sweden had a minimum 30% tax even for the lowest earners. If you earn something close to £50,000 per annum, you fall into the tax bracket over 50%
It has two-pronged effect. You collect more taxes. It also instills more personal responsibility as pretty much everyone has contributed their own money.
But all left wing parties here keep repeating "tax the rich" as a slogan as though that's going to solve the problem.
Also in Sweden, you can't keep getting unemployment benefit. From what I know they will breath down your neck asking you every week what you are doing to get a job. At some point, they will give you a few options. If you don't take them, you won't get the benefits. Here, I have seen people going to ridiculous extent to defend the ones who won't go to work.
I must have missed those posts where people defend those who refuse to work."
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"Countries with the highest taxes in the world.
In descending order (#1 at the bottom is the most expensive)
.
17. France - 45%
16. Spain - 47%
15. Ireland - 40%
14. Luxembourg - 42%
13. Germany - 45%
12. Portugal - ?
11. The Netherlands - 49.5%
10. Slovenia - 50%
9. Israel - 50%
8. Belgium - 50-54%
7. Aruba - 52% wherever that is
6. Sweden - 52.3 %
5. Austria - 55%
4. Denmark - 53%
3. Japan - 45%
2. Finland - 44%
1. Ivory Coast - 60%
.
It's interesting to note the UK doesn't make that list at all.
(We are talking top marginal rates here by the way).
.
I don't why the list is a bit variable in its rankings, but some rates are approximated.
.
There is a correlation though with countries with high GDP demanding more tax from their citizens.
.
I suppose though it really comes down to the demands and expectations of the citizenry doesn't it ?
.
Want the roads fixed and potholes filled in, preferably within a few days ?
Want the streets swept and litter picked at least once a week ? (I'd prefer more often personally).
Parks maintained
Police/Fire/Ambulances equipped with state of the art kit
Defence Forces with state of the art kit
Hospitals with the best care available for all.
And for all the people who work in these public services to be paid above min-wage, if not comparable with other countries to prevent skill drain.
.
We're not on the list of those above and believing for one moment we could have all the nice things I listed at minimal to no cost to the tax-payer is quite absurd. If the tax-payer doesn't fund those things, then who will and how ?
.
And if I don't fund those services, what rights do I have as a citizen to use them ? None, I would wager. Which would mean a private enterprise could charge for them and some of the profit won't go back in to maintaining a high service level. It will be maintained as just "adequate". I don't expect my government to provide "just adequate". I expect a lot more for my fellow citizens.
Why would you expect anyone to want to provide more when 9.5billion was given away to union ransoms and other public sector workers, when they knew there wasn't enough money to give away?
Do you trust them to spend your money wisely?
"
Ffs stop banging that drum!
Shall I apologise for my 75p hourly rise when my salary is down approx £8,000 had it risen by the rate of inflation over the last 14 years?
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"Countries with the highest taxes in the world.
In descending order (#1 at the bottom is the most expensive)
.
17. France - 45%
16. Spain - 47%
15. Ireland - 40%
14. Luxembourg - 42%
13. Germany - 45%
12. Portugal - ?
11. The Netherlands - 49.5%
10. Slovenia - 50%
9. Israel - 50%
8. Belgium - 50-54%
7. Aruba - 52% wherever that is
6. Sweden - 52.3 %
5. Austria - 55%
4. Denmark - 53%
3. Japan - 45%
2. Finland - 44%
1. Ivory Coast - 60%
.
It's interesting to note the UK doesn't make that list at all.
(We are talking top marginal rates here by the way).
.
I don't why the list is a bit variable in its rankings, but some rates are approximated.
.
There is a correlation though with countries with high GDP demanding more tax from their citizens.
.
I suppose though it really comes down to the demands and expectations of the citizenry doesn't it ?
.
Want the roads fixed and potholes filled in, preferably within a few days ?
Want the streets swept and litter picked at least once a week ? (I'd prefer more often personally).
Parks maintained
Police/Fire/Ambulances equipped with state of the art kit
Defence Forces with state of the art kit
Hospitals with the best care available for all.
And for all the people who work in these public services to be paid above min-wage, if not comparable with other countries to prevent skill drain.
.
We're not on the list of those above and believing for one moment we could have all the nice things I listed at minimal to no cost to the tax-payer is quite absurd. If the tax-payer doesn't fund those things, then who will and how ?
.
And if I don't fund those services, what rights do I have as a citizen to use them ? None, I would wager. Which would mean a private enterprise could charge for them and some of the profit won't go back in to maintaining a high service level. It will be maintained as just "adequate". I don't expect my government to provide "just adequate". I expect a lot more for my fellow citizens.
If you take Nordic countries, Sweden and Denmark has high tax for everyone. Sweden had a minimum 30% tax even for the lowest earners. If you earn something close to £50,000 per annum, you fall into the tax bracket over 50%
It has two-pronged effect. You collect more taxes. It also instills more personal responsibility as pretty much everyone has contributed their own money.
But all left wing parties here keep repeating "tax the rich" as a slogan as though that's going to solve the problem.
Also in Sweden, you can't keep getting unemployment benefit. From what I know they will breath down your neck asking you every week what you are doing to get a job. At some point, they will give you a few options. If you don't take them, you won't get the benefits. Here, I have seen people going to ridiculous extent to defend the ones who won't go to work.
I must have missed those posts where people defend those who refuse to work.
I have seen people here saying that "The job is not close to where I live" being a valid reason for not being employed. "
That is a poor example, that is someone defending themself  |
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"Countries with the highest taxes in the world.
In descending order (#1 at the bottom is the most expensive)
.
17. France - 45%
16. Spain - 47%
15. Ireland - 40%
14. Luxembourg - 42%
13. Germany - 45%
12. Portugal - ?
11. The Netherlands - 49.5%
10. Slovenia - 50%
9. Israel - 50%
8. Belgium - 50-54%
7. Aruba - 52% wherever that is
6. Sweden - 52.3 %
5. Austria - 55%
4. Denmark - 53%
3. Japan - 45%
2. Finland - 44%
1. Ivory Coast - 60%
.
It's interesting to note the UK doesn't make that list at all.
(We are talking top marginal rates here by the way).
.
I don't why the list is a bit variable in its rankings, but some rates are approximated.
.
There is a correlation though with countries with high GDP demanding more tax from their citizens.
.
I suppose though it really comes down to the demands and expectations of the citizenry doesn't it ?
.
Want the roads fixed and potholes filled in, preferably within a few days ?
Want the streets swept and litter picked at least once a week ? (I'd prefer more often personally).
Parks maintained
Police/Fire/Ambulances equipped with state of the art kit
Defence Forces with state of the art kit
Hospitals with the best care available for all.
And for all the people who work in these public services to be paid above min-wage, if not comparable with other countries to prevent skill drain.
.
We're not on the list of those above and believing for one moment we could have all the nice things I listed at minimal to no cost to the tax-payer is quite absurd. If the tax-payer doesn't fund those things, then who will and how ?
.
And if I don't fund those services, what rights do I have as a citizen to use them ? None, I would wager. Which would mean a private enterprise could charge for them and some of the profit won't go back in to maintaining a high service level. It will be maintained as just "adequate". I don't expect my government to provide "just adequate". I expect a lot more for my fellow citizens.
Why would you expect anyone to want to provide more when 9.5billion was given away to union ransoms and other public sector workers, when they knew there wasn't enough money to give away?
Do you trust them to spend your money wisely?
Ffs stop banging that drum!
Shall I apologise for my 75p hourly rise when my salary is down approx £8,000 had it risen by the rate of inflation over the last 14 years?
"
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"Countries with the highest taxes in the world.
In descending order (#1 at the bottom is the most expensive)
.
17. France - 45%
16. Spain - 47%
15. Ireland - 40%
14. Luxembourg - 42%
13. Germany - 45%
12. Portugal - ?
11. The Netherlands - 49.5%
10. Slovenia - 50%
9. Israel - 50%
8. Belgium - 50-54%
7. Aruba - 52% wherever that is
6. Sweden - 52.3 %
5. Austria - 55%
4. Denmark - 53%
3. Japan - 45%
2. Finland - 44%
1. Ivory Coast - 60%
.
It's interesting to note the UK doesn't make that list at all.
(We are talking top marginal rates here by the way).
.
I don't why the list is a bit variable in its rankings, but some rates are approximated.
.
There is a correlation though with countries with high GDP demanding more tax from their citizens.
.
I suppose though it really comes down to the demands and expectations of the citizenry doesn't it ?
.
Want the roads fixed and potholes filled in, preferably within a few days ?
Want the streets swept and litter picked at least once a week ? (I'd prefer more often personally).
Parks maintained
Police/Fire/Ambulances equipped with state of the art kit
Defence Forces with state of the art kit
Hospitals with the best care available for all.
And for all the people who work in these public services to be paid above min-wage, if not comparable with other countries to prevent skill drain.
.
We're not on the list of those above and believing for one moment we could have all the nice things I listed at minimal to no cost to the tax-payer is quite absurd. If the tax-payer doesn't fund those things, then who will and how ?
.
And if I don't fund those services, what rights do I have as a citizen to use them ? None, I would wager. Which would mean a private enterprise could charge for them and some of the profit won't go back in to maintaining a high service level. It will be maintained as just "adequate". I don't expect my government to provide "just adequate". I expect a lot more for my fellow citizens.
If you take Nordic countries, Sweden and Denmark has high tax for everyone. Sweden had a minimum 30% tax even for the lowest earners. If you earn something close to £50,000 per annum, you fall into the tax bracket over 50%
It has two-pronged effect. You collect more taxes. It also instills more personal responsibility as pretty much everyone has contributed their own money.
But all left wing parties here keep repeating "tax the rich" as a slogan as though that's going to solve the problem.
Also in Sweden, you can't keep getting unemployment benefit. From what I know they will breath down your neck asking you every week what you are doing to get a job. At some point, they will give you a few options. If you don't take them, you won't get the benefits. Here, I have seen people going to ridiculous extent to defend the ones who won't go to work.
I must have missed those posts where people defend those who refuse to work.
I have seen people here saying that "The job is not close to where I live" being a valid reason for not being employed.
That is a poor example, that is someone defending themself "
The argument was made by two different people on the forum when pointed out that businesses are struggling to hire while people are unwilling to take up jobs. They said that it's because the jobs aren't closer to where some people live and we can't expect them to move places for a job. |
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"Countries with the highest taxes in the world.
In descending order (#1 at the bottom is the most expensive)
.
17. France - 45%
16. Spain - 47%
15. Ireland - 40%
14. Luxembourg - 42%
13. Germany - 45%
12. Portugal - ?
11. The Netherlands - 49.5%
10. Slovenia - 50%
9. Israel - 50%
8. Belgium - 50-54%
7. Aruba - 52% wherever that is
6. Sweden - 52.3 %
5. Austria - 55%
4. Denmark - 53%
3. Japan - 45%
2. Finland - 44%
1. Ivory Coast - 60%
.
It's interesting to note the UK doesn't make that list at all.
(We are talking top marginal rates here by the way).
.
I don't why the list is a bit variable in its rankings, but some rates are approximated.
.
There is a correlation though with countries with high GDP demanding more tax from their citizens.
.
I suppose though it really comes down to the demands and expectations of the citizenry doesn't it ?
.
Want the roads fixed and potholes filled in, preferably within a few days ?
Want the streets swept and litter picked at least once a week ? (I'd prefer more often personally).
Parks maintained
Police/Fire/Ambulances equipped with state of the art kit
Defence Forces with state of the art kit
Hospitals with the best care available for all.
And for all the people who work in these public services to be paid above min-wage, if not comparable with other countries to prevent skill drain.
.
We're not on the list of those above and believing for one moment we could have all the nice things I listed at minimal to no cost to the tax-payer is quite absurd. If the tax-payer doesn't fund those things, then who will and how ?
.
And if I don't fund those services, what rights do I have as a citizen to use them ? None, I would wager. Which would mean a private enterprise could charge for them and some of the profit won't go back in to maintaining a high service level. It will be maintained as just "adequate". I don't expect my government to provide "just adequate". I expect a lot more for my fellow citizens.
If you take Nordic countries, Sweden and Denmark has high tax for everyone. Sweden had a minimum 30% tax even for the lowest earners. If you earn something close to £50,000 per annum, you fall into the tax bracket over 50%
It has two-pronged effect. You collect more taxes. It also instills more personal responsibility as pretty much everyone has contributed their own money.
But all left wing parties here keep repeating "tax the rich" as a slogan as though that's going to solve the problem.
Also in Sweden, you can't keep getting unemployment benefit. From what I know they will breath down your neck asking you every week what you are doing to get a job. At some point, they will give you a few options. If you don't take them, you won't get the benefits. Here, I have seen people going to ridiculous extent to defend the ones who won't go to work.
I must have missed those posts where people defend those who refuse to work.
I have seen people here saying that "The job is not close to where I live" being a valid reason for not being employed.
That is a poor example, that is someone defending themself
The argument was made by two different people on the forum when pointed out that businesses are struggling to hire while people are unwilling to take up jobs. They said that it's because the jobs aren't closer to where some people live and we can't expect them to move places for a job."
I recall. Weren't you very black and white saying people should relocate and others were pointing out variables why some couldn't? |
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Also in Sweden, you can't keep getting unemployment benefit. From what I know they will breath down your neck asking you every week what you are doing to get a job. At some point, they will give you a few options. If you don't take them, you won't get the benefits. Here, I have seen people going to ridiculous extent to defend the ones who won't go to work.
I must have missed those posts where people defend those who refuse to work.
I have seen people here saying that "The job is not close to where I live" being a valid reason for not being employed.
That is a poor example, that is someone defending themself
The argument was made by two different people on the forum when pointed out that businesses are struggling to hire while people are unwilling to take up jobs. They said that it's because the jobs aren't closer to where some people live and we can't expect them to move places for a job.
I recall. Weren't you very black and white saying people should relocate and others were pointing out variables why some couldn't?"
The only "variable" they pointed out was something around moving being too expensive somehow to even take a job. People seem to move from different countries to take those exact jobs. Yet it's too expensive for some people to just move within the country? |
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By *irldnCouple 17 weeks ago
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Also in Sweden, you can't keep getting unemployment benefit. From what I know they will breath down your neck asking you every week what you are doing to get a job. At some point, they will give you a few options. If you don't take them, you won't get the benefits. Here, I have seen people going to ridiculous extent to defend the ones who won't go to work.
I must have missed those posts where people defend those who refuse to work.
I have seen people here saying that "The job is not close to where I live" being a valid reason for not being employed.
That is a poor example, that is someone defending themself
The argument was made by two different people on the forum when pointed out that businesses are struggling to hire while people are unwilling to take up jobs. They said that it's because the jobs aren't closer to where some people live and we can't expect them to move places for a job.
I recall. Weren't you very black and white saying people should relocate and others were pointing out variables why some couldn't?
The only "variable" they pointed out was something around moving being too expensive somehow to even take a job. People seem to move from different countries to take those exact jobs. Yet it's too expensive for some people to just move within the country?"
Isn’t it relative though?
You moved countries because you are highly paid and (if I recall correctly) were sponsored for your Visa by your employer?
If someone was offered an amazing job on significantly more money, most would consider relocating depending in age of children and where in their school journey they are (you don’t move in exam year).
But I would hazard a guess that people on JSA are not regularly offered very highly paid jobs. Just regular jobs. So distance and cost to commute to work is something that feels appropriate to consider. Work should pay better than benefits to incentivise people otherwise what is the point? |
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Also in Sweden, you can't keep getting unemployment benefit. From what I know they will breath down your neck asking you every week what you are doing to get a job. At some point, they will give you a few options. If you don't take them, you won't get the benefits. Here, I have seen people going to ridiculous extent to defend the ones who won't go to work.
I must have missed those posts where people defend those who refuse to work.
I have seen people here saying that "The job is not close to where I live" being a valid reason for not being employed.
That is a poor example, that is someone defending themself
The argument was made by two different people on the forum when pointed out that businesses are struggling to hire while people are unwilling to take up jobs. They said that it's because the jobs aren't closer to where some people live and we can't expect them to move places for a job.
I recall. Weren't you very black and white saying people should relocate and others were pointing out variables why some couldn't?
The only "variable" they pointed out was something around moving being too expensive somehow to even take a job. People seem to move from different countries to take those exact jobs. Yet it's too expensive for some people to just move within the country?
Isn’t it relative though?
You moved countries because you are highly paid and (if I recall correctly) were sponsored for your Visa by your employer?
If someone was offered an amazing job on significantly more money, most would consider relocating depending in age of children and where in their school journey they are (you don’t move in exam year).
But I would hazard a guess that people on JSA are not regularly offered very highly paid jobs. Just regular jobs. So distance and cost to commute to work is something that feels appropriate to consider. Work should pay better than benefits to incentivise people otherwise what is the point?"
I didn't say I was the example. There are numerous South Asians, East Asians in UK taking up these exact jobs which people in this country wouldn't take and would rather live on unemployment benefits. These jobs were taken by Eastern Europeans in the past. If they can move countries for a job that supposedly doesn't pay well enough, what excuse do people living in this country have?
I am saying that this kind of bullshit wouldn't be accepted in countries like Sweden. People who worked for longer before losing jobs are given more benefits based on an insurance. People who never went to work get some basic benefits. These benefits are available only for 300 days. These are the requirements during the unemployment period(you can check Swedish websites for the rules):
1) You must apply for at least 6 jobs per month.
2) You must submit monthly activity report to tell them what you are doing to find a job.
3) If you are offered a job or extra support through a programme, you must accept.
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"If labour can tax it they will. Any excuse to steal peoples money and blow it on expanding the state sector or giving in to unions.
All so predictable.
I'm always amazed that people are surprised. What? Labour increase tax? Nick other folks money? Surely not.
Socialism. Dontcha love it?
NO.
Instead of giving it to their mates!"
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"If labour can tax it they will. Any excuse to steal peoples money and blow it on expanding the state sector or giving in to unions.
All so predictable.
I'm always amazed that people are surprised. What? Labour increase tax? Nick other folks money? Surely not.
Socialism. Dontcha love it?
NO.
Instead of giving it to their mates!but they have given it to their mates…. Their paymasters of the unions! "
You're not thinking properly!
Just take a moment and really think about it. |
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Also in Sweden, you can't keep getting unemployment benefit. From what I know they will breath down your neck asking you every week what you are doing to get a job. At some point, they will give you a few options. If you don't take them, you won't get the benefits. Here, I have seen people going to ridiculous extent to defend the ones who won't go to work.
I must have missed those posts where people defend those who refuse to work.
I have seen people here saying that "The job is not close to where I live" being a valid reason for not being employed.
That is a poor example, that is someone defending themself
The argument was made by two different people on the forum when pointed out that businesses are struggling to hire while people are unwilling to take up jobs. They said that it's because the jobs aren't closer to where some people live and we can't expect them to move places for a job.
I recall. Weren't you very black and white saying people should relocate and others were pointing out variables why some couldn't?
The only "variable" they pointed out was something around moving being too expensive somehow to even take a job. People seem to move from different countries to take those exact jobs. Yet it's too expensive for some people to just move within the country?
Isn’t it relative though?
You moved countries because you are highly paid and (if I recall correctly) were sponsored for your Visa by your employer?
If someone was offered an amazing job on significantly more money, most would consider relocating depending in age of children and where in their school journey they are (you don’t move in exam year).
But I would hazard a guess that people on JSA are not regularly offered very highly paid jobs. Just regular jobs. So distance and cost to commute to work is something that feels appropriate to consider. Work should pay better than benefits to incentivise people otherwise what is the point?
I didn't say I was the example. There are numerous South Asians, East Asians in UK taking up these exact jobs which people in this country wouldn't take and would rather live on unemployment benefits. These jobs were taken by Eastern Europeans in the past. If they can move countries for a job that supposedly doesn't pay well enough, what excuse do people living in this country have?
I am saying that this kind of bullshit wouldn't be accepted in countries like Sweden. People who worked for longer before losing jobs are given more benefits based on an insurance. People who never went to work get some basic benefits. These benefits are available only for 300 days. These are the requirements during the unemployment period(you can check Swedish websites for the rules):
1) You must apply for at least 6 jobs per month.
2) You must submit monthly activity report to tell them what you are doing to find a job.
3) If you are offered a job or extra support through a programme, you must accept.
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"If labour can tax it they will. Any excuse to steal peoples money and blow it on expanding the state sector or giving in to unions.
All so predictable.
I'm always amazed that people are surprised. What? Labour increase tax? Nick other folks money? Surely not.
Socialism. Dontcha love it?
NO.
Instead of giving it to their mates!but they have given it to their mates…. Their paymasters of the unions! "
Nuffield Trust estimates the junior doctors pay settlement above what the NHS was funded for will be in the region of £600 million.
Equivalent cost to two days interest on the national debt.
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"Countries with the highest taxes in the world.
In descending order (#1 at the bottom is the most expensive)
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17. France - 45%
16. Spain - 47%
15. Ireland - 40%
14. Luxembourg - 42%
13. Germany - 45%
12. Portugal - ?
11. The Netherlands - 49.5%
10. Slovenia - 50%
9. Israel - 50%
8. Belgium - 50-54%
7. Aruba - 52% wherever that is
6. Sweden - 52.3 %
5. Austria - 55%
4. Denmark - 53%
3. Japan - 45%
2. Finland - 44%
1. Ivory Coast - 60%
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It's interesting to note the UK doesn't make that list at all.
(We are talking top marginal rates here by the way).
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I don't why the list is a bit variable in its rankings, but some rates are approximated.
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There is a correlation though with countries with high GDP demanding more tax from their citizens.
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I suppose though it really comes down to the demands and expectations of the citizenry doesn't it ?
.
Want the roads fixed and potholes filled in, preferably within a few days ?
Want the streets swept and litter picked at least once a week ? (I'd prefer more often personally).
Parks maintained
Police/Fire/Ambulances equipped with state of the art kit
Defence Forces with state of the art kit
Hospitals with the best care available for all.
And for all the people who work in these public services to be paid above min-wage, if not comparable with other countries to prevent skill drain.
.
We're not on the list of those above and believing for one moment we could have all the nice things I listed at minimal to no cost to the tax-payer is quite absurd. If the tax-payer doesn't fund those things, then who will and how ?
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And if I don't fund those services, what rights do I have as a citizen to use them ? None, I would wager. Which would mean a private enterprise could charge for them and some of the profit won't go back in to maintaining a high service level. It will be maintained as just "adequate". I don't expect my government to provide "just adequate". I expect a lot more for my fellow citizens.
Why would you expect anyone to want to provide more when 9.5billion was given away to union ransoms and other public sector workers, when they knew there wasn't enough money to give away?
Do you trust them to spend your money wisely?
Those unions provide the workers which provide the services I rely and depend upon. I want them well paid and motivated."
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Move rates to get alignment between different types, so divideds, capital gains and income taxes similar or the same. More wealth tax could fill the black hole easily. And have a plan to reduce VAT to its lower former levels, as it tends to be taxing the poorest disproportionately more |
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"If labour can tax it they will. Any excuse to steal peoples money and blow it on expanding the state sector or giving in to unions.
All so predictable.
I'm always amazed that people are surprised. What? Labour increase tax? Nick other folks money? Surely not.
Socialism. Dontcha love it?
NO.
Instead of giving it to their mates!
Explain please.
The biggest example of nepotism was the ppe scandal."
But if the government didn't have our money in the first place through taxation they couldn't waste it.
I'd rather keep my money that I earned than give it to some politicians to waste. |
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"If labour can tax it they will. Any excuse to steal peoples money and blow it on expanding the state sector or giving in to unions.
All so predictable.
I'm always amazed that people are surprised. What? Labour increase tax? Nick other folks money? Surely not.
Socialism. Dontcha love it?
NO.
Instead of giving it to their mates!but they have given it to their mates…. Their paymasters of the unions! "
The £31bn cost of labours Iraq and Afghan wars is equivalent to the cost of 51 years nhs pay rise (£600m annual) recently awarded to junior doctors. |
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"If labour can tax it they will. Any excuse to steal peoples money and blow it on expanding the state sector or giving in to unions.
All so predictable.
I'm always amazed that people are surprised. What? Labour increase tax? Nick other folks money? Surely not.
Socialism. Dontcha love it?
NO.
Instead of giving it to their mates!
Explain please.
The biggest example of nepotism was the ppe scandal.
But if the government didn't have our money in the first place through taxation they couldn't waste it.
I'd rather keep my money that I earned than give it to some politicians to waste."
I see. Any particular countries operate that model successfully? How do roads, schools, airports, hospitals etc get built if nobody gives the government money? |
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"The only "variable" they pointed out was something around moving being too expensive somehow to even take a job. People seem to move from different countries to take those exact jobs. Yet it's too expensive for some people to just move within the country?"
To be fair its easier to move across the world for a job with a couple of suitcases of clothes and a laptop than it is to move yourself and all your possessions from Stoke to Lincoln. |
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"Move rates to get alignment between different types, so divideds, capital gains and income taxes similar or the same. More wealth tax could fill the black hole easily. And have a plan to reduce VAT to its lower former levels, as it tends to be taxing the poorest disproportionately more "
40% of the nhs budget is spent treating self inflicted obesity, smoking, alcohol and drug mis use
Charge those who chose this path first. |
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"If labour can tax it they will. Any excuse to steal peoples money and blow it on expanding the state sector or giving in to unions.
All so predictable.
I'm always amazed that people are surprised. What? Labour increase tax? Nick other folks money? Surely not.
Socialism. Dontcha love it?
NO.
Instead of giving it to their mates!
Explain please.
The biggest example of nepotism was the ppe scandal.
But if the government didn't have our money in the first place through taxation they couldn't waste it.
I'd rather keep my money that I earned than give it to some politicians to waste.
I see. Any particular countries operate that model successfully? How do roads, schools, airports, hospitals etc get built if nobody gives the government money? "
The government have had the money, and wasted a lot of it. |
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"The only "variable" they pointed out was something around moving being too expensive somehow to even take a job. People seem to move from different countries to take those exact jobs. Yet it's too expensive for some people to just move within the country?
To be fair its easier to move across the world for a job with a couple of suitcases of clothes and a laptop than it is to move yourself and all your possessions from Stoke to Lincoln."
It would have been if free movement had not been ended by brexit. |
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"Move rates to get alignment between different types, so divideds, capital gains and income taxes similar or the same. More wealth tax could fill the black hole easily. And have a plan to reduce VAT to its lower former levels, as it tends to be taxing the poorest disproportionately more
40% of the nhs budget is spent treating self inflicted obesity, smoking, alcohol and drug mis use
Charge those who chose this path first. "
Except the majority of obesity is NOT choice. |
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"If labour can tax it they will. Any excuse to steal peoples money and blow it on expanding the state sector or giving in to unions.
All so predictable.
I'm always amazed that people are surprised. What? Labour increase tax? Nick other folks money? Surely not.
Socialism. Dontcha love it?
NO.
Instead of giving it to their mates!
Explain please.
The biggest example of nepotism was the ppe scandal.
But if the government didn't have our money in the first place through taxation they couldn't waste it.
I'd rather keep my money that I earned than give it to some politicians to waste."
Don't give up your day job funny man. |
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By *irldnCouple 17 weeks ago
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" People who worked for longer before losing jobs are given more benefits based on an insurance. People who never went to work get some basic benefits. "
Totally support that approach. The more/longer you have “paid in” the better the support you get. But to afford that Sweden has higher taxes.
Scandinavian countries are often named as the “happiest/best places” to live. They are characterised by high quality public services but that comes at a price of high taxation. |
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By *ronisMan 17 weeks ago
Edinburgh |
"If labour can tax it they will. Any excuse to steal peoples money and blow it on expanding the state sector or giving in to unions.
All so predictable.
I'm always amazed that people are surprised. What? Labour increase tax? Nick other folks money? Surely not.
Socialism. Dontcha love it?
NO.
Instead of giving it to their mates!but they have given it to their mates…. Their paymasters of the unions!
The £31bn cost of labours Iraq and Afghan wars is equivalent to the cost of 51 years nhs pay rise (£600m annual) recently awarded to junior doctors. "
What's this obsession people have with the NHS? It's shit. It is not the envy of the world and no country copies it. We could spend our entire GDP on the NHS and it would still fail.
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People who worked for longer before losing jobs are given more benefits based on an insurance. People who never went to work get some basic benefits.
Totally support that approach. The more/longer you have “paid in” the better the support you get. But to afford that Sweden has higher taxes.
Scandinavian countries are often named as the “happiest/best places” to live. They are characterised by high quality public services but that comes at a price of high taxation. "
Yes, if you want social welfare like that, everyone must be willing to pay high taxes, even the lowest earning people in the country. Most people don't understand this. You see frauds like Bernie Sanders and AOC spreading lies about how they can follow "Scandinavian model" by just taxing the rich. They have to be honest and say they are going to tax the shit out of everyone. And their unemployment benefits are much more stricter too.
There are also caveats with comparing them straight with other countries. They have advantages in terms of less number of wars in recent history and low population density. |
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If spending doesn't get fixed and the £22 bn black hole gets out of hand .. what's the outlook like for the UK?
Would the creditors say enough and leave the govt. up shit creek?
And bankrupt? What would happen then?
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"If labour can tax it they will. Any excuse to steal peoples money and blow it on expanding the state sector or giving in to unions.
All so predictable.
I'm always amazed that people are surprised. What? Labour increase tax? Nick other folks money? Surely not.
Socialism. Dontcha love it?
NO.
Instead of giving it to their mates!but they have given it to their mates…. Their paymasters of the unions!
The £31bn cost of labours Iraq and Afghan wars is equivalent to the cost of 51 years nhs pay rise (£600m annual) recently awarded to junior doctors.
What's this obsession people have with the NHS? It's shit. It is not the envy of the world and no country copies it. We could spend our entire GDP on the NHS and it would still fail.
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You won't want to use it then. |
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"If spending doesn't get fixed and the £22 bn black hole gets out of hand .. what's the outlook like for the UK?
Would the creditors say enough and leave the govt. up shit creek?
And bankrupt? What would happen then?
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The £2,571,000,000,000 national debt is the sum of all the black holes
As long as the £300,000,000 daily interest is paid there’s no problem |
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"Countries with the highest taxes in the world.
In descending order (#1 at the bottom is the most expensive)
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17. France - 45%
16. Spain - 47%
15. Ireland - 40%
14. Luxembourg - 42%
13. Germany - 45%
12. Portugal - ?
11. The Netherlands - 49.5%
10. Slovenia - 50%
9. Israel - 50%
8. Belgium - 50-54%
7. Aruba - 52% wherever that is
6. Sweden - 52.3 %
5. Austria - 55%
4. Denmark - 53%
3. Japan - 45%
2. Finland - 44%
1. Ivory Coast - 60%
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It's interesting to note the UK doesn't make that list at all.
(We are talking top marginal rates here by the way).
.
I don't why the list is a bit variable in its rankings, but some rates are approximated.
.
There is a correlation though with countries with high GDP demanding more tax from their citizens.
.
I suppose though it really comes down to the demands and expectations of the citizenry doesn't it ?
.
Want the roads fixed and potholes filled in, preferably within a few days ?
Want the streets swept and litter picked at least once a week ? (I'd prefer more often personally).
Parks maintained
Police/Fire/Ambulances equipped with state of the art kit
Defence Forces with state of the art kit
Hospitals with the best care available for all.
And for all the people who work in these public services to be paid above min-wage, if not comparable with other countries to prevent skill drain.
.
We're not on the list of those above and believing for one moment we could have all the nice things I listed at minimal to no cost to the tax-payer is quite absurd. If the tax-payer doesn't fund those things, then who will and how ?
.
And if I don't fund those services, what rights do I have as a citizen to use them ? None, I would wager. Which would mean a private enterprise could charge for them and some of the profit won't go back in to maintaining a high service level. It will be maintained as just "adequate". I don't expect my government to provide "just adequate". I expect a lot more for my fellow citizens.
Why would you expect anyone to want to provide more when 9.5billion was given away to union ransoms and other public sector workers, when they knew there wasn't enough money to give away?
Do you trust them to spend your money wisely?
Ffs stop banging that drum!
Shall I apologise for my 75p hourly rise when my salary is down approx £8,000 had it risen by the rate of inflation over the last 14 years?
"
Are you in nursing?
Nursing is considered 'pink-collar', kinda equivalent to blue collar. Can you tell me other blue collar roles which have seen an £8k rise (in real terms as that's what you're talking about)? |
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"Countries with the highest taxes in the world.
In descending order (#1 at the bottom is the most expensive)
.
17. France - 45%
16. Spain - 47%
15. Ireland - 40%
14. Luxembourg - 42%
13. Germany - 45%
12. Portugal - ?
11. The Netherlands - 49.5%
10. Slovenia - 50%
9. Israel - 50%
8. Belgium - 50-54%
7. Aruba - 52% wherever that is
6. Sweden - 52.3 %
5. Austria - 55%
4. Denmark - 53%
3. Japan - 45%
2. Finland - 44%
1. Ivory Coast - 60%
.
It's interesting to note the UK doesn't make that list at all.
(We are talking top marginal rates here by the way).
.
I don't why the list is a bit variable in its rankings, but some rates are approximated.
.
There is a correlation though with countries with high GDP demanding more tax from their citizens.
.
I suppose though it really comes down to the demands and expectations of the citizenry doesn't it ?
.
Want the roads fixed and potholes filled in, preferably within a few days ?
Want the streets swept and litter picked at least once a week ? (I'd prefer more often personally).
Parks maintained
Police/Fire/Ambulances equipped with state of the art kit
Defence Forces with state of the art kit
Hospitals with the best care available for all.
And for all the people who work in these public services to be paid above min-wage, if not comparable with other countries to prevent skill drain.
.
We're not on the list of those above and believing for one moment we could have all the nice things I listed at minimal to no cost to the tax-payer is quite absurd. If the tax-payer doesn't fund those things, then who will and how ?
.
And if I don't fund those services, what rights do I have as a citizen to use them ? None, I would wager. Which would mean a private enterprise could charge for them and some of the profit won't go back in to maintaining a high service level. It will be maintained as just "adequate". I don't expect my government to provide "just adequate". I expect a lot more for my fellow citizens.
Why would you expect anyone to want to provide more when 9.5billion was given away to union ransoms and other public sector workers, when they knew there wasn't enough money to give away?
Do you trust them to spend your money wisely?
Ffs stop banging that drum!
Shall I apologise for my 75p hourly rise when my salary is down approx £8,000 had it risen by the rate of inflation over the last 14 years?
Are you in nursing?
Nursing is considered 'pink-collar', kinda equivalent to blue collar. Can you tell me other blue collar roles which have seen an £8k rise (in real terms as that's what you're talking about)?"
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"Countries with the highest taxes in the world.
In descending order (#1 at the bottom is the most expensive)
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17. France - 45%
16. Spain - 47%
15. Ireland - 40%
14. Luxembourg - 42%
13. Germany - 45%
12. Portugal - ?
11. The Netherlands - 49.5%
10. Slovenia - 50%
9. Israel - 50%
8. Belgium - 50-54%
7. Aruba - 52% wherever that is
6. Sweden - 52.3 %
5. Austria - 55%
4. Denmark - 53%
3. Japan - 45%
2. Finland - 44%
1. Ivory Coast - 60%
.
It's interesting to note the UK doesn't make that list at all.
(We are talking top marginal rates here by the way).
.
I don't why the list is a bit variable in its rankings, but some rates are approximated.
.
There is a correlation though with countries with high GDP demanding more tax from their citizens.
.
I suppose though it really comes down to the demands and expectations of the citizenry doesn't it ?
.
Want the roads fixed and potholes filled in, preferably within a few days ?
Want the streets swept and litter picked at least once a week ? (I'd prefer more often personally).
Parks maintained
Police/Fire/Ambulances equipped with state of the art kit
Defence Forces with state of the art kit
Hospitals with the best care available for all.
And for all the people who work in these public services to be paid above min-wage, if not comparable with other countries to prevent skill drain.
.
We're not on the list of those above and believing for one moment we could have all the nice things I listed at minimal to no cost to the tax-payer is quite absurd. If the tax-payer doesn't fund those things, then who will and how ?
.
And if I don't fund those services, what rights do I have as a citizen to use them ? None, I would wager. Which would mean a private enterprise could charge for them and some of the profit won't go back in to maintaining a high service level. It will be maintained as just "adequate". I don't expect my government to provide "just adequate". I expect a lot more for my fellow citizens.
Why would you expect anyone to want to provide more when 9.5billion was given away to union ransoms and other public sector workers, when they knew there wasn't enough money to give away?
Do you trust them to spend your money wisely?
Ffs stop banging that drum!
Shall I apologise for my 75p hourly rise when my salary is down approx £8,000 had it risen by the rate of inflation over the last 14 years?
Are you in nursing?
Nursing is considered 'pink-collar', kinda equivalent to blue collar. Can you tell me other blue collar roles which have seen an £8k rise (in real terms as that's what you're talking about)?
I don't follow others salary increases unless it's relatable (like teachers who earn more than nurses and yet have less responsibility/accountability)."
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"Countries with the highest taxes in the world.
In descending order (#1 at the bottom is the most expensive)
.
17. France - 45%
16. Spain - 47%
15. Ireland - 40%
14. Luxembourg - 42%
13. Germany - 45%
12. Portugal - ?
11. The Netherlands - 49.5%
10. Slovenia - 50%
9. Israel - 50%
8. Belgium - 50-54%
7. Aruba - 52% wherever that is
6. Sweden - 52.3 %
5. Austria - 55%
4. Denmark - 53%
3. Japan - 45%
2. Finland - 44%
1. Ivory Coast - 60%
.
It's interesting to note the UK doesn't make that list at all.
(We are talking top marginal rates here by the way).
.
I don't why the list is a bit variable in its rankings, but some rates are approximated.
.
There is a correlation though with countries with high GDP demanding more tax from their citizens.
.
I suppose though it really comes down to the demands and expectations of the citizenry doesn't it ?
.
Want the roads fixed and potholes filled in, preferably within a few days ?
Want the streets swept and litter picked at least once a week ? (I'd prefer more often personally).
Parks maintained
Police/Fire/Ambulances equipped with state of the art kit
Defence Forces with state of the art kit
Hospitals with the best care available for all.
And for all the people who work in these public services to be paid above min-wage, if not comparable with other countries to prevent skill drain.
.
We're not on the list of those above and believing for one moment we could have all the nice things I listed at minimal to no cost to the tax-payer is quite absurd. If the tax-payer doesn't fund those things, then who will and how ?
.
And if I don't fund those services, what rights do I have as a citizen to use them ? None, I would wager. Which would mean a private enterprise could charge for them and some of the profit won't go back in to maintaining a high service level. It will be maintained as just "adequate". I don't expect my government to provide "just adequate". I expect a lot more for my fellow citizens.
Why would you expect anyone to want to provide more when 9.5billion was given away to union ransoms and other public sector workers, when they knew there wasn't enough money to give away?
Do you trust them to spend your money wisely?
Ffs stop banging that drum!
Shall I apologise for my 75p hourly rise when my salary is down approx £8,000 had it risen by the rate of inflation over the last 14 years?
Are you in nursing?
Nursing is considered 'pink-collar', kinda equivalent to blue collar. Can you tell me other blue collar roles which have seen an £8k rise (in real terms as that's what you're talking about)?
I don't follow others salary increases unless it's relatable (like teachers who earn more than nurses and yet have less responsibility/accountability).
Of course you don't. Why would a teachers salary be relatable but not another profession?"
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By *otMe66Man 17 weeks ago
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"If labour can tax it they will. Any excuse to steal peoples money and blow it on expanding the state sector or giving in to unions.
All so predictable.
I'm always amazed that people are surprised. What? Labour increase tax? Nick other folks money? Surely not.
Socialism. Dontcha love it?
NO.
Instead of giving it to their mates!but they have given it to their mates…. Their paymasters of the unions!
The £31bn cost of labours Iraq and Afghan wars is equivalent to the cost of 51 years nhs pay rise (£600m annual) recently awarded to junior doctors.
What's this obsession people have with the NHS? It's shit. It is not the envy of the world and no country copies it. We could spend our entire GDP on the NHS and it would still fail.
"
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"Countries with the highest taxes in the world.
In descending order (#1 at the bottom is the most expensive)
.
17. France - 45%
16. Spain - 47%
15. Ireland - 40%
14. Luxembourg - 42%
13. Germany - 45%
12. Portugal - ?
11. The Netherlands - 49.5%
10. Slovenia - 50%
9. Israel - 50%
8. Belgium - 50-54%
7. Aruba - 52% wherever that is
6. Sweden - 52.3 %
5. Austria - 55%
4. Denmark - 53%
3. Japan - 45%
2. Finland - 44%
1. Ivory Coast - 60%
.
It's interesting to note the UK doesn't make that list at all.
(We are talking top marginal rates here by the way).
.
I don't why the list is a bit variable in its rankings, but some rates are approximated.
.
There is a correlation though with countries with high GDP demanding more tax from their citizens.
.
I suppose though it really comes down to the demands and expectations of the citizenry doesn't it ?
.
Want the roads fixed and potholes filled in, preferably within a few days ?
Want the streets swept and litter picked at least once a week ? (I'd prefer more often personally).
Parks maintained
Police/Fire/Ambulances equipped with state of the art kit
Defence Forces with state of the art kit
Hospitals with the best care available for all.
And for all the people who work in these public services to be paid above min-wage, if not comparable with other countries to prevent skill drain.
.
We're not on the list of those above and believing for one moment we could have all the nice things I listed at minimal to no cost to the tax-payer is quite absurd. If the tax-payer doesn't fund those things, then who will and how ?
.
And if I don't fund those services, what rights do I have as a citizen to use them ? None, I would wager. Which would mean a private enterprise could charge for them and some of the profit won't go back in to maintaining a high service level. It will be maintained as just "adequate". I don't expect my government to provide "just adequate". I expect a lot more for my fellow citizens.
Why would you expect anyone to want to provide more when 9.5billion was given away to union ransoms and other public sector workers, when they knew there wasn't enough money to give away?
Do you trust them to spend your money wisely?
Ffs stop banging that drum!
Shall I apologise for my 75p hourly rise when my salary is down approx £8,000 had it risen by the rate of inflation over the last 14 years?
Are you in nursing?
Nursing is considered 'pink-collar', kinda equivalent to blue collar. Can you tell me other blue collar roles which have seen an £8k rise (in real terms as that's what you're talking about)?
I don't follow others salary increases unless it's relatable (like teachers who earn more than nurses and yet have less responsibility/accountability).
Of course you don't. Why would a teachers salary be relatable but not another profession?
Public sector staff, 3 years at uni. I would like equity both valuable careers (educating the future generation of workers and saving lives though more complex than that mere statement)."
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"Countries with the highest taxes in the world.
In descending order (#1 at the bottom is the most expensive)
.
17. France - 45%
16. Spain - 47%
15. Ireland - 40%
14. Luxembourg - 42%
13. Germany - 45%
12. Portugal - ?
11. The Netherlands - 49.5%
10. Slovenia - 50%
9. Israel - 50%
8. Belgium - 50-54%
7. Aruba - 52% wherever that is
6. Sweden - 52.3 %
5. Austria - 55%
4. Denmark - 53%
3. Japan - 45%
2. Finland - 44%
1. Ivory Coast - 60%
.
It's interesting to note the UK doesn't make that list at all.
(We are talking top marginal rates here by the way).
.
I don't why the list is a bit variable in its rankings, but some rates are approximated.
.
There is a correlation though with countries with high GDP demanding more tax from their citizens.
.
I suppose though it really comes down to the demands and expectations of the citizenry doesn't it ?
.
Want the roads fixed and potholes filled in, preferably within a few days ?
Want the streets swept and litter picked at least once a week ? (I'd prefer more often personally).
Parks maintained
Police/Fire/Ambulances equipped with state of the art kit
Defence Forces with state of the art kit
Hospitals with the best care available for all.
And for all the people who work in these public services to be paid above min-wage, if not comparable with other countries to prevent skill drain.
.
We're not on the list of those above and believing for one moment we could have all the nice things I listed at minimal to no cost to the tax-payer is quite absurd. If the tax-payer doesn't fund those things, then who will and how ?
.
And if I don't fund those services, what rights do I have as a citizen to use them ? None, I would wager. Which would mean a private enterprise could charge for them and some of the profit won't go back in to maintaining a high service level. It will be maintained as just "adequate". I don't expect my government to provide "just adequate". I expect a lot more for my fellow citizens.
Why would you expect anyone to want to provide more when 9.5billion was given away to union ransoms and other public sector workers, when they knew there wasn't enough money to give away?
Do you trust them to spend your money wisely?
Ffs stop banging that drum!
Shall I apologise for my 75p hourly rise when my salary is down approx £8,000 had it risen by the rate of inflation over the last 14 years?
Are you in nursing?
Nursing is considered 'pink-collar', kinda equivalent to blue collar. Can you tell me other blue collar roles which have seen an £8k rise (in real terms as that's what you're talking about)?
I don't follow others salary increases unless it's relatable (like teachers who earn more than nurses and yet have less responsibility/accountability).
Of course you don't. Why would a teachers salary be relatable but not another profession?
Public sector staff, 3 years at uni. I would like equity both valuable careers (educating the future generation of workers and saving lives though more complex than that mere statement).
Should've got a trade, no uni debt and better paid "
Don't I know it! Even aldi pays better. |
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"Countries with the highest taxes in the world.
In descending order (#1 at the bottom is the most expensive)
.
17. France - 45%
16. Spain - 47%
15. Ireland - 40%
14. Luxembourg - 42%
13. Germany - 45%
12. Portugal - ?
11. The Netherlands - 49.5%
10. Slovenia - 50%
9. Israel - 50%
8. Belgium - 50-54%
7. Aruba - 52% wherever that is
6. Sweden - 52.3 %
5. Austria - 55%
4. Denmark - 53%
3. Japan - 45%
2. Finland - 44%
1. Ivory Coast - 60%
.
It's interesting to note the UK doesn't make that list at all.
(We are talking top marginal rates here by the way).
.
I don't why the list is a bit variable in its rankings, but some rates are approximated.
.
There is a correlation though with countries with high GDP demanding more tax from their citizens.
.
I suppose though it really comes down to the demands and expectations of the citizenry doesn't it ?
.
Want the roads fixed and potholes filled in, preferably within a few days ?
Want the streets swept and litter picked at least once a week ? (I'd prefer more often personally).
Parks maintained
Police/Fire/Ambulances equipped with state of the art kit
Defence Forces with state of the art kit
Hospitals with the best care available for all.
And for all the people who work in these public services to be paid above min-wage, if not comparable with other countries to prevent skill drain.
.
We're not on the list of those above and believing for one moment we could have all the nice things I listed at minimal to no cost to the tax-payer is quite absurd. If the tax-payer doesn't fund those things, then who will and how ?
.
And if I don't fund those services, what rights do I have as a citizen to use them ? None, I would wager. Which would mean a private enterprise could charge for them and some of the profit won't go back in to maintaining a high service level. It will be maintained as just "adequate". I don't expect my government to provide "just adequate". I expect a lot more for my fellow citizens.
Why would you expect anyone to want to provide more when 9.5billion was given away to union ransoms and other public sector workers, when they knew there wasn't enough money to give away?
Do you trust them to spend your money wisely?
Ffs stop banging that drum!
Shall I apologise for my 75p hourly rise when my salary is down approx £8,000 had it risen by the rate of inflation over the last 14 years?
Are you in nursing?
Nursing is considered 'pink-collar', kinda equivalent to blue collar. Can you tell me other blue collar roles which have seen an £8k rise (in real terms as that's what you're talking about)?
I don't follow others salary increases unless it's relatable (like teachers who earn more than nurses and yet have less responsibility/accountability).
Of course you don't. Why would a teachers salary be relatable but not another profession?
Public sector staff, 3 years at uni. I would like equity both valuable careers (educating the future generation of workers and saving lives though more complex than that mere statement).
Should've got a trade, no uni debt and better paid
Don't I know it! Even aldi pays better."
Leave and get a job ar Aldi then, no qualifications needed. |
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By *otMe66Man 17 weeks ago
Terra Firma |
"Countries with the highest taxes in the world.
In descending order (#1 at the bottom is the most expensive)
.
17. France - 45%
16. Spain - 47%
15. Ireland - 40%
14. Luxembourg - 42%
13. Germany - 45%
12. Portugal - ?
11. The Netherlands - 49.5%
10. Slovenia - 50%
9. Israel - 50%
8. Belgium - 50-54%
7. Aruba - 52% wherever that is
6. Sweden - 52.3 %
5. Austria - 55%
4. Denmark - 53%
3. Japan - 45%
2. Finland - 44%
1. Ivory Coast - 60%
.
It's interesting to note the UK doesn't make that list at all.
(We are talking top marginal rates here by the way).
.
I don't why the list is a bit variable in its rankings, but some rates are approximated.
.
There is a correlation though with countries with high GDP demanding more tax from their citizens.
.
I suppose though it really comes down to the demands and expectations of the citizenry doesn't it ?
.
Want the roads fixed and potholes filled in, preferably within a few days ?
Want the streets swept and litter picked at least once a week ? (I'd prefer more often personally).
Parks maintained
Police/Fire/Ambulances equipped with state of the art kit
Defence Forces with state of the art kit
Hospitals with the best care available for all.
And for all the people who work in these public services to be paid above min-wage, if not comparable with other countries to prevent skill drain.
.
We're not on the list of those above and believing for one moment we could have all the nice things I listed at minimal to no cost to the tax-payer is quite absurd. If the tax-payer doesn't fund those things, then who will and how ?
.
And if I don't fund those services, what rights do I have as a citizen to use them ? None, I would wager. Which would mean a private enterprise could charge for them and some of the profit won't go back in to maintaining a high service level. It will be maintained as just "adequate". I don't expect my government to provide "just adequate". I expect a lot more for my fellow citizens.
Why would you expect anyone to want to provide more when 9.5billion was given away to union ransoms and other public sector workers, when they knew there wasn't enough money to give away?
Do you trust them to spend your money wisely?
Ffs stop banging that drum!
Shall I apologise for my 75p hourly rise when my salary is down approx £8,000 had it risen by the rate of inflation over the last 14 years?
"
I missed this, apologies.
Don’t bang the the drum = stop bringing attention to the awful decision to pay out above inflation rises as they did and pillage the pensioners, you will also be feeling a little pinch within a few weeks is my guess.
As for your wages, you are in control of your decisions and you can find another higher paying job. |
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"Countries with the highest taxes in the world.
In descending order (#1 at the bottom is the most expensive)
.
17. France - 45%
16. Spain - 47%
15. Ireland - 40%
14. Luxembourg - 42%
13. Germany - 45%
12. Portugal - ?
11. The Netherlands - 49.5%
10. Slovenia - 50%
9. Israel - 50%
8. Belgium - 50-54%
7. Aruba - 52% wherever that is
6. Sweden - 52.3 %
5. Austria - 55%
4. Denmark - 53%
3. Japan - 45%
2. Finland - 44%
1. Ivory Coast - 60%
.
It's interesting to note the UK doesn't make that list at all.
(We are talking top marginal rates here by the way).
.
I don't why the list is a bit variable in its rankings, but some rates are approximated.
.
There is a correlation though with countries with high GDP demanding more tax from their citizens.
.
I suppose though it really comes down to the demands and expectations of the citizenry doesn't it ?
.
Want the roads fixed and potholes filled in, preferably within a few days ?
Want the streets swept and litter picked at least once a week ? (I'd prefer more often personally).
Parks maintained
Police/Fire/Ambulances equipped with state of the art kit
Defence Forces with state of the art kit
Hospitals with the best care available for all.
And for all the people who work in these public services to be paid above min-wage, if not comparable with other countries to prevent skill drain.
.
We're not on the list of those above and believing for one moment we could have all the nice things I listed at minimal to no cost to the tax-payer is quite absurd. If the tax-payer doesn't fund those things, then who will and how ?
.
And if I don't fund those services, what rights do I have as a citizen to use them ? None, I would wager. Which would mean a private enterprise could charge for them and some of the profit won't go back in to maintaining a high service level. It will be maintained as just "adequate". I don't expect my government to provide "just adequate". I expect a lot more for my fellow citizens.
Why would you expect anyone to want to provide more when 9.5billion was given away to union ransoms and other public sector workers, when they knew there wasn't enough money to give away?
Do you trust them to spend your money wisely?
Ffs stop banging that drum!
Shall I apologise for my 75p hourly rise when my salary is down approx £8,000 had it risen by the rate of inflation over the last 14 years?
Are you in nursing?
Nursing is considered 'pink-collar', kinda equivalent to blue collar. Can you tell me other blue collar roles which have seen an £8k rise (in real terms as that's what you're talking about)?
I don't follow others salary increases unless it's relatable (like teachers who earn more than nurses and yet have less responsibility/accountability).
Of course you don't. Why would a teachers salary be relatable but not another profession?
Public sector staff, 3 years at uni. I would like equity both valuable careers (educating the future generation of workers and saving lives though more complex than that mere statement).
Should've got a trade, no uni debt and better paid
Don't I know it! Even aldi pays better.
Leave and get a job ar Aldi then, no qualifications needed. "
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"Countries with the highest taxes in the world.
In descending order (#1 at the bottom is the most expensive)
.
17. France - 45%
16. Spain - 47%
15. Ireland - 40%
14. Luxembourg - 42%
13. Germany - 45%
12. Portugal - ?
11. The Netherlands - 49.5%
10. Slovenia - 50%
9. Israel - 50%
8. Belgium - 50-54%
7. Aruba - 52% wherever that is
6. Sweden - 52.3 %
5. Austria - 55%
4. Denmark - 53%
3. Japan - 45%
2. Finland - 44%
1. Ivory Coast - 60%
.
It's interesting to note the UK doesn't make that list at all.
(We are talking top marginal rates here by the way).
.
I don't why the list is a bit variable in its rankings, but some rates are approximated.
.
There is a correlation though with countries with high GDP demanding more tax from their citizens.
.
I suppose though it really comes down to the demands and expectations of the citizenry doesn't it ?
.
Want the roads fixed and potholes filled in, preferably within a few days ?
Want the streets swept and litter picked at least once a week ? (I'd prefer more often personally).
Parks maintained
Police/Fire/Ambulances equipped with state of the art kit
Defence Forces with state of the art kit
Hospitals with the best care available for all.
And for all the people who work in these public services to be paid above min-wage, if not comparable with other countries to prevent skill drain.
.
We're not on the list of those above and believing for one moment we could have all the nice things I listed at minimal to no cost to the tax-payer is quite absurd. If the tax-payer doesn't fund those things, then who will and how ?
.
And if I don't fund those services, what rights do I have as a citizen to use them ? None, I would wager. Which would mean a private enterprise could charge for them and some of the profit won't go back in to maintaining a high service level. It will be maintained as just "adequate". I don't expect my government to provide "just adequate". I expect a lot more for my fellow citizens.
Why would you expect anyone to want to provide more when 9.5billion was given away to union ransoms and other public sector workers, when they knew there wasn't enough money to give away?
Do you trust them to spend your money wisely?
Ffs stop banging that drum!
Shall I apologise for my 75p hourly rise when my salary is down approx £8,000 had it risen by the rate of inflation over the last 14 years?
I missed this, apologies.
Don’t bang the the drum = stop bringing attention to the awful decision to pay out above inflation rises as they did and pillage the pensioners, you will also be feeling a little pinch within a few weeks is my guess.
As for your wages, you are in control of your decisions and you can find another higher paying job. "
Guess who advised the pay rise. I cba to wait for a response. The review board. Guess who heads the review board, the PM, guess who was PM in April when pay rise was due, Sunak. Guess who planned for the review board to be late, like every year, Sunak. Guess who planned for the new hivt to be blamed, Sunak.
Guess who the Righties blame.... |
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"Countries with the highest taxes in the world.
In descending order (#1 at the bottom is the most expensive)
.
17. France - 45%
16. Spain - 47%
15. Ireland - 40%
14. Luxembourg - 42%
13. Germany - 45%
12. Portugal - ?
11. The Netherlands - 49.5%
10. Slovenia - 50%
9. Israel - 50%
8. Belgium - 50-54%
7. Aruba - 52% wherever that is
6. Sweden - 52.3 %
5. Austria - 55%
4. Denmark - 53%
3. Japan - 45%
2. Finland - 44%
1. Ivory Coast - 60%
.
It's interesting to note the UK doesn't make that list at all.
(We are talking top marginal rates here by the way).
.
I don't why the list is a bit variable in its rankings, but some rates are approximated.
.
There is a correlation though with countries with high GDP demanding more tax from their citizens.
.
I suppose though it really comes down to the demands and expectations of the citizenry doesn't it ?
.
Want the roads fixed and potholes filled in, preferably within a few days ?
Want the streets swept and litter picked at least once a week ? (I'd prefer more often personally).
Parks maintained
Police/Fire/Ambulances equipped with state of the art kit
Defence Forces with state of the art kit
Hospitals with the best care available for all.
And for all the people who work in these public services to be paid above min-wage, if not comparable with other countries to prevent skill drain.
.
We're not on the list of those above and believing for one moment we could have all the nice things I listed at minimal to no cost to the tax-payer is quite absurd. If the tax-payer doesn't fund those things, then who will and how ?
.
And if I don't fund those services, what rights do I have as a citizen to use them ? None, I would wager. Which would mean a private enterprise could charge for them and some of the profit won't go back in to maintaining a high service level. It will be maintained as just "adequate". I don't expect my government to provide "just adequate". I expect a lot more for my fellow citizens.
Why would you expect anyone to want to provide more when 9.5billion was given away to union ransoms and other public sector workers, when they knew there wasn't enough money to give away?
Do you trust them to spend your money wisely?
Ffs stop banging that drum!
Shall I apologise for my 75p hourly rise when my salary is down approx £8,000 had it risen by the rate of inflation over the last 14 years?
I missed this, apologies.
Don’t bang the the drum = stop bringing attention to the awful decision to pay out above inflation rises as they did and pillage the pensioners, you will also be feeling a little pinch within a few weeks is my guess.
As for your wages, you are in control of your decisions and you can find another higher paying job. "
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"Countries with the highest taxes in the world.
In descending order (#1 at the bottom is the most expensive)
.
17. France - 45%
16. Spain - 47%
15. Ireland - 40%
14. Luxembourg - 42%
13. Germany - 45%
12. Portugal - ?
11. The Netherlands - 49.5%
10. Slovenia - 50%
9. Israel - 50%
8. Belgium - 50-54%
7. Aruba - 52% wherever that is
6. Sweden - 52.3 %
5. Austria - 55%
4. Denmark - 53%
3. Japan - 45%
2. Finland - 44%
1. Ivory Coast - 60%
.
It's interesting to note the UK doesn't make that list at all.
(We are talking top marginal rates here by the way).
.
I don't why the list is a bit variable in its rankings, but some rates are approximated.
.
There is a correlation though with countries with high GDP demanding more tax from their citizens.
.
I suppose though it really comes down to the demands and expectations of the citizenry doesn't it ?
.
Want the roads fixed and potholes filled in, preferably within a few days ?
Want the streets swept and litter picked at least once a week ? (I'd prefer more often personally).
Parks maintained
Police/Fire/Ambulances equipped with state of the art kit
Defence Forces with state of the art kit
Hospitals with the best care available for all.
And for all the people who work in these public services to be paid above min-wage, if not comparable with other countries to prevent skill drain.
.
We're not on the list of those above and believing for one moment we could have all the nice things I listed at minimal to no cost to the tax-payer is quite absurd. If the tax-payer doesn't fund those things, then who will and how ?
.
And if I don't fund those services, what rights do I have as a citizen to use them ? None, I would wager. Which would mean a private enterprise could charge for them and some of the profit won't go back in to maintaining a high service level. It will be maintained as just "adequate". I don't expect my government to provide "just adequate". I expect a lot more for my fellow citizens.
Why would you expect anyone to want to provide more when 9.5billion was given away to union ransoms and other public sector workers, when they knew there wasn't enough money to give away?
Do you trust them to spend your money wisely?
Ffs stop banging that drum!
Shall I apologise for my 75p hourly rise when my salary is down approx £8,000 had it risen by the rate of inflation over the last 14 years?
Are you in nursing?
Nursing is considered 'pink-collar', kinda equivalent to blue collar. Can you tell me other blue collar roles which have seen an £8k rise (in real terms as that's what you're talking about)?
I don't follow others salary increases unless it's relatable (like teachers who earn more than nurses and yet have less responsibility/accountability).
Of course you don't. Why would a teachers salary be relatable but not another profession?
Public sector staff, 3 years at uni. I would like equity both valuable careers (educating the future generation of workers and saving lives though more complex than that mere statement).
Should've got a trade, no uni debt and better paid
Don't I know it! Even aldi pays better.
Leave and get a job ar Aldi then, no qualifications needed.
Actually they employ people with degrees and pay handsomely. And many nurses are leaving their jobs for shop work. What is the nhs to do to retain them?"
They may well employ people with degrees, I'm sure one isn't essential to work the shop floor though.
Good luck to those nurses (can we still call them nurses if they don't practice) in changing career for their own betterment. |
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"Countries with the highest taxes in the world.
In descending order (#1 at the bottom is the most expensive)
.
17. France - 45%
16. Spain - 47%
15. Ireland - 40%
14. Luxembourg - 42%
13. Germany - 45%
12. Portugal - ?
11. The Netherlands - 49.5%
10. Slovenia - 50%
9. Israel - 50%
8. Belgium - 50-54%
7. Aruba - 52% wherever that is
6. Sweden - 52.3 %
5. Austria - 55%
4. Denmark - 53%
3. Japan - 45%
2. Finland - 44%
1. Ivory Coast - 60%
.
It's interesting to note the UK doesn't make that list at all.
(We are talking top marginal rates here by the way).
.
I don't why the list is a bit variable in its rankings, but some rates are approximated.
.
There is a correlation though with countries with high GDP demanding more tax from their citizens.
.
I suppose though it really comes down to the demands and expectations of the citizenry doesn't it ?
.
Want the roads fixed and potholes filled in, preferably within a few days ?
Want the streets swept and litter picked at least once a week ? (I'd prefer more often personally).
Parks maintained
Police/Fire/Ambulances equipped with state of the art kit
Defence Forces with state of the art kit
Hospitals with the best care available for all.
And for all the people who work in these public services to be paid above min-wage, if not comparable with other countries to prevent skill drain.
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We're not on the list of those above and believing for one moment we could have all the nice things I listed at minimal to no cost to the tax-payer is quite absurd. If the tax-payer doesn't fund those things, then who will and how ?
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And if I don't fund those services, what rights do I have as a citizen to use them ? None, I would wager. Which would mean a private enterprise could charge for them and some of the profit won't go back in to maintaining a high service level. It will be maintained as just "adequate". I don't expect my government to provide "just adequate". I expect a lot more for my fellow citizens.
Why would you expect anyone to want to provide more when 9.5billion was given away to union ransoms and other public sector workers, when they knew there wasn't enough money to give away?
Do you trust them to spend your money wisely?
Ffs stop banging that drum!
Shall I apologise for my 75p hourly rise when my salary is down approx £8,000 had it risen by the rate of inflation over the last 14 years?
Are you in nursing?
Nursing is considered 'pink-collar', kinda equivalent to blue collar. Can you tell me other blue collar roles which have seen an £8k rise (in real terms as that's what you're talking about)?
I don't follow others salary increases unless it's relatable (like teachers who earn more than nurses and yet have less responsibility/accountability).
Of course you don't. Why would a teachers salary be relatable but not another profession?
Public sector staff, 3 years at uni. I would like equity both valuable careers (educating the future generation of workers and saving lives though more complex than that mere statement).
Should've got a trade, no uni debt and better paid
Don't I know it! Even aldi pays better.
Leave and get a job ar Aldi then, no qualifications needed.
Actually they employ people with degrees and pay handsomely. And many nurses are leaving their jobs for shop work. What is the nhs to do to retain them?
They may well employ people with degrees, I'm sure one isn't essential to work the shop floor though.
Good luck to those nurses (can we still call them nurses if they don't practice) in changing career for their own betterment. "
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"Countries with the highest taxes in the world.
In descending order (#1 at the bottom is the most expensive)
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17. France - 45%
16. Spain - 47%
15. Ireland - 40%
14. Luxembourg - 42%
13. Germany - 45%
12. Portugal - ?
11. The Netherlands - 49.5%
10. Slovenia - 50%
9. Israel - 50%
8. Belgium - 50-54%
7. Aruba - 52% wherever that is
6. Sweden - 52.3 %
5. Austria - 55%
4. Denmark - 53%
3. Japan - 45%
2. Finland - 44%
1. Ivory Coast - 60%
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It's interesting to note the UK doesn't make that list at all.
(We are talking top marginal rates here by the way).
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I don't why the list is a bit variable in its rankings, but some rates are approximated.
.
There is a correlation though with countries with high GDP demanding more tax from their citizens.
.
I suppose though it really comes down to the demands and expectations of the citizenry doesn't it ?
.
Want the roads fixed and potholes filled in, preferably within a few days ?
Want the streets swept and litter picked at least once a week ? (I'd prefer more often personally).
Parks maintained
Police/Fire/Ambulances equipped with state of the art kit
Defence Forces with state of the art kit
Hospitals with the best care available for all.
And for all the people who work in these public services to be paid above min-wage, if not comparable with other countries to prevent skill drain.
.
We're not on the list of those above and believing for one moment we could have all the nice things I listed at minimal to no cost to the tax-payer is quite absurd. If the tax-payer doesn't fund those things, then who will and how ?
.
And if I don't fund those services, what rights do I have as a citizen to use them ? None, I would wager. Which would mean a private enterprise could charge for them and some of the profit won't go back in to maintaining a high service level. It will be maintained as just "adequate". I don't expect my government to provide "just adequate". I expect a lot more for my fellow citizens.
Why would you expect anyone to want to provide more when 9.5billion was given away to union ransoms and other public sector workers, when they knew there wasn't enough money to give away?
Do you trust them to spend your money wisely?
Ffs stop banging that drum!
Shall I apologise for my 75p hourly rise when my salary is down approx £8,000 had it risen by the rate of inflation over the last 14 years?
Are you in nursing?
Nursing is considered 'pink-collar', kinda equivalent to blue collar. Can you tell me other blue collar roles which have seen an £8k rise (in real terms as that's what you're talking about)?
I don't follow others salary increases unless it's relatable (like teachers who earn more than nurses and yet have less responsibility/accountability).
Of course you don't. Why would a teachers salary be relatable but not another profession?
Public sector staff, 3 years at uni. I would like equity both valuable careers (educating the future generation of workers and saving lives though more complex than that mere statement).
Should've got a trade, no uni debt and better paid
Don't I know it! Even aldi pays better.
Leave and get a job ar Aldi then, no qualifications needed.
Actually they employ people with degrees and pay handsomely. And many nurses are leaving their jobs for shop work. What is the nhs to do to retain them?
They may well employ people with degrees, I'm sure one isn't essential to work the shop floor though.
Good luck to those nurses (can we still call them nurses if they don't practice) in changing career for their own betterment.
Management."
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"Countries with the highest taxes in the world.
In descending order (#1 at the bottom is the most expensive)
.
17. France - 45%
16. Spain - 47%
15. Ireland - 40%
14. Luxembourg - 42%
13. Germany - 45%
12. Portugal - ?
11. The Netherlands - 49.5%
10. Slovenia - 50%
9. Israel - 50%
8. Belgium - 50-54%
7. Aruba - 52% wherever that is
6. Sweden - 52.3 %
5. Austria - 55%
4. Denmark - 53%
3. Japan - 45%
2. Finland - 44%
1. Ivory Coast - 60%
.
It's interesting to note the UK doesn't make that list at all.
(We are talking top marginal rates here by the way).
.
I don't why the list is a bit variable in its rankings, but some rates are approximated.
.
There is a correlation though with countries with high GDP demanding more tax from their citizens.
.
I suppose though it really comes down to the demands and expectations of the citizenry doesn't it ?
.
Want the roads fixed and potholes filled in, preferably within a few days ?
Want the streets swept and litter picked at least once a week ? (I'd prefer more often personally).
Parks maintained
Police/Fire/Ambulances equipped with state of the art kit
Defence Forces with state of the art kit
Hospitals with the best care available for all.
And for all the people who work in these public services to be paid above min-wage, if not comparable with other countries to prevent skill drain.
.
We're not on the list of those above and believing for one moment we could have all the nice things I listed at minimal to no cost to the tax-payer is quite absurd. If the tax-payer doesn't fund those things, then who will and how ?
.
And if I don't fund those services, what rights do I have as a citizen to use them ? None, I would wager. Which would mean a private enterprise could charge for them and some of the profit won't go back in to maintaining a high service level. It will be maintained as just "adequate". I don't expect my government to provide "just adequate". I expect a lot more for my fellow citizens.
Why would you expect anyone to want to provide more when 9.5billion was given away to union ransoms and other public sector workers, when they knew there wasn't enough money to give away?
Do you trust them to spend your money wisely?
Ffs stop banging that drum!
Shall I apologise for my 75p hourly rise when my salary is down approx £8,000 had it risen by the rate of inflation over the last 14 years?
Are you in nursing?
Nursing is considered 'pink-collar', kinda equivalent to blue collar. Can you tell me other blue collar roles which have seen an £8k rise (in real terms as that's what you're talking about)?
I don't follow others salary increases unless it's relatable (like teachers who earn more than nurses and yet have less responsibility/accountability).
Of course you don't. Why would a teachers salary be relatable but not another profession?
Public sector staff, 3 years at uni. I would like equity both valuable careers (educating the future generation of workers and saving lives though more complex than that mere statement).
Should've got a trade, no uni debt and better paid
Don't I know it! Even aldi pays better.
Leave and get a job ar Aldi then, no qualifications needed.
Actually they employ people with degrees and pay handsomely. And many nurses are leaving their jobs for shop work. What is the nhs to do to retain them?
They may well employ people with degrees, I'm sure one isn't essential to work the shop floor though.
Good luck to those nurses (can we still call them nurses if they don't practice) in changing career for their own betterment.
Management.
Not 'shop work' then?
They work in management in a retail business. "
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As for your wages, you are in control of your decisions and you can find another higher paying job.
Difficult with a disability, but I plan to."
Can you work for yourself? There are a lot more elderly needing some kind of home care, I’m guessing Peterborough would have a decent population size for you to find clients. Cut out the middleman agencies and set your rates accordingly. |
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As for your wages, you are in control of your decisions and you can find another higher paying job.
Difficult with a disability, but I plan to.
Can you work for yourself? There are a lot more elderly needing some kind of home care, I’m guessing Peterborough would have a decent population size for you to find clients. Cut out the middleman agencies and set your rates accordingly. "
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By *otMe66Man 17 weeks ago
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As for your wages, you are in control of your decisions and you can find another higher paying job.
Difficult with a disability, but I plan to.
Can you work for yourself? There are a lot more elderly needing some kind of home care, I’m guessing Peterborough would have a decent population size for you to find clients. Cut out the middleman agencies and set your rates accordingly.
For carers, there's plenty."
Are your nursing skills not transferable to caring roles and add in your extra skill sets as a nurse, or do you need to have a qualification specifically for caring. That wouldn’t surprise me…. |
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As for your wages, you are in control of your decisions and you can find another higher paying job.
Difficult with a disability, but I plan to.
Can you work for yourself? There are a lot more elderly needing some kind of home care, I’m guessing Peterborough would have a decent population size for you to find clients. Cut out the middleman agencies and set your rates accordingly.
For carers, there's plenty.
Are your nursing skills not transferable to caring roles and add in your extra skill sets as a nurse, or do you need to have a qualification specifically for caring. That wouldn’t surprise me…."
I have spent may years in a supportive role, so uni was a step up. Passed with flying colours two years ago. I don't want to go backwards but upwards. I'm limited in time (brain capacity). Business set up is time-costly. |
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By *otMe66Man 17 weeks ago
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As for your wages, you are in control of your decisions and you can find another higher paying job.
Difficult with a disability, but I plan to.
Can you work for yourself? There are a lot more elderly needing some kind of home care, I’m guessing Peterborough would have a decent population size for you to find clients. Cut out the middleman agencies and set your rates accordingly.
For carers, there's plenty.
Are your nursing skills not transferable to caring roles and add in your extra skill sets as a nurse, or do you need to have a qualification specifically for caring. That wouldn’t surprise me….
I have spent may years in a supportive role, so uni was a step up. Passed with flying colours two years ago. I don't want to go backwards but upwards. I'm limited in time (brain capacity). Business set up is time-costly."
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As for your wages, you are in control of your decisions and you can find another higher paying job.
Difficult with a disability, but I plan to.
Can you work for yourself? There are a lot more elderly needing some kind of home care, I’m guessing Peterborough would have a decent population size for you to find clients. Cut out the middleman agencies and set your rates accordingly.
For carers, there's plenty.
Are your nursing skills not transferable to caring roles and add in your extra skill sets as a nurse, or do you need to have a qualification specifically for caring. That wouldn’t surprise me….
I have spent may years in a supportive role, so uni was a step up. Passed with flying colours two years ago. I don't want to go backwards but upwards. I'm limited in time (brain capacity). Business set up is time-costly.
What is worth more to you a role title and job or high earnings and satisfaction you are managing your own outcomes"
I’m not quite sure you are picking up on the part where Amelie has talked about having limited capacity due to her disability. |
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By *otMe66Man 17 weeks ago
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As for your wages, you are in control of your decisions and you can find another higher paying job.
Difficult with a disability, but I plan to.
Can you work for yourself? There are a lot more elderly needing some kind of home care, I’m guessing Peterborough would have a decent population size for you to find clients. Cut out the middleman agencies and set your rates accordingly.
For carers, there's plenty.
Are your nursing skills not transferable to caring roles and add in your extra skill sets as a nurse, or do you need to have a qualification specifically for caring. That wouldn’t surprise me….
I have spent may years in a supportive role, so uni was a step up. Passed with flying colours two years ago. I don't want to go backwards but upwards. I'm limited in time (brain capacity). Business set up is time-costly.
What is worth more to you a role title and job or high earnings and satisfaction you are managing your own outcomes
I’m not quite sure you are picking up on the part where Amelie has talked about having limited capacity due to her disability."
I have thanks, what has made you butt in with that question? |
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As for your wages, you are in control of your decisions and you can find another higher paying job.
Difficult with a disability, but I plan to.
Can you work for yourself? There are a lot more elderly needing some kind of home care, I’m guessing Peterborough would have a decent population size for you to find clients. Cut out the middleman agencies and set your rates accordingly.
For carers, there's plenty.
Are your nursing skills not transferable to caring roles and add in your extra skill sets as a nurse, or do you need to have a qualification specifically for caring. That wouldn’t surprise me….
I have spent may years in a supportive role, so uni was a step up. Passed with flying colours two years ago. I don't want to go backwards but upwards. I'm limited in time (brain capacity). Business set up is time-costly.
What is worth more to you a role title and job or high earnings and satisfaction you are managing your own outcomes"
I currently work 3 days a week and literally a couch potato (needing carers myself) and so need to reduce work to a manageable level, 2 days a week, so I can have a life. Can you really see anyone setting up a business with inadequate brain power? |
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As for your wages, you are in control of your decisions and you can find another higher paying job.
Difficult with a disability, but I plan to.
Can you work for yourself? There are a lot more elderly needing some kind of home care, I’m guessing Peterborough would have a decent population size for you to find clients. Cut out the middleman agencies and set your rates accordingly.
For carers, there's plenty.
Are your nursing skills not transferable to caring roles and add in your extra skill sets as a nurse, or do you need to have a qualification specifically for caring. That wouldn’t surprise me….
I have spent may years in a supportive role, so uni was a step up. Passed with flying colours two years ago. I don't want to go backwards but upwards. I'm limited in time (brain capacity). Business set up is time-costly.
What is worth more to you a role title and job or high earnings and satisfaction you are managing your own outcomes
I’m not quite sure you are picking up on the part where Amelie has talked about having limited capacity due to her disability.
I have thanks, what has made you butt in with that question? "
Because it didn't appear you took that into consideration. I can sleep up to 16 hours a day. |
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As for your wages, you are in control of your decisions and you can find another higher paying job.
Difficult with a disability, but I plan to.
Can you work for yourself? There are a lot more elderly needing some kind of home care, I’m guessing Peterborough would have a decent population size for you to find clients. Cut out the middleman agencies and set your rates accordingly.
For carers, there's plenty.
Are your nursing skills not transferable to caring roles and add in your extra skill sets as a nurse, or do you need to have a qualification specifically for caring. That wouldn’t surprise me….
I have spent may years in a supportive role, so uni was a step up. Passed with flying colours two years ago. I don't want to go backwards but upwards. I'm limited in time (brain capacity). Business set up is time-costly.
What is worth more to you a role title and job or high earnings and satisfaction you are managing your own outcomes
I’m not quite sure you are picking up on the part where Amelie has talked about having limited capacity due to her disability.
I have thanks, what has made you butt in with that question? "
Because you seemed to be just ignoring Amelie’s lived experience and insinuating that it’s about priorities, rather than capacity. |
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As for your wages, you are in control of your decisions and you can find another higher paying job.
Difficult with a disability, but I plan to.
Can you work for yourself? There are a lot more elderly needing some kind of home care, I’m guessing Peterborough would have a decent population size for you to find clients. Cut out the middleman agencies and set your rates accordingly.
For carers, there's plenty.
Are your nursing skills not transferable to caring roles and add in your extra skill sets as a nurse, or do you need to have a qualification specifically for caring. That wouldn’t surprise me….
I have spent may years in a supportive role, so uni was a step up. Passed with flying colours two years ago. I don't want to go backwards but upwards. I'm limited in time (brain capacity). Business set up is time-costly.
What is worth more to you a role title and job or high earnings and satisfaction you are managing your own outcomes
I’m not quite sure you are picking up on the part where Amelie has talked about having limited capacity due to her disability.
I have thanks, what has made you butt in with that question?
Because you seemed to be just ignoring Amelie’s lived experience and insinuating that it’s about priorities, rather than capacity."
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By *otMe66Man 17 weeks ago
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As for your wages, you are in control of your decisions and you can find another higher paying job.
Difficult with a disability, but I plan to.
Can you work for yourself? There are a lot more elderly needing some kind of home care, I’m guessing Peterborough would have a decent population size for you to find clients. Cut out the middleman agencies and set your rates accordingly.
For carers, there's plenty.
Are your nursing skills not transferable to caring roles and add in your extra skill sets as a nurse, or do you need to have a qualification specifically for caring. That wouldn’t surprise me….
I have spent may years in a supportive role, so uni was a step up. Passed with flying colours two years ago. I don't want to go backwards but upwards. I'm limited in time (brain capacity). Business set up is time-costly.
What is worth more to you a role title and job or high earnings and satisfaction you are managing your own outcomes
I’m not quite sure you are picking up on the part where Amelie has talked about having limited capacity due to her disability.
I have thanks, what has made you butt in with that question?
Because you seemed to be just ignoring Amelie’s lived experience and insinuating that it’s about priorities, rather than capacity."
Thanks for this, it’s made me think that sometimes it might be better to converse on a 1-2-1 basis rather than in a public forum. |
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As for your wages, you are in control of your decisions and you can find another higher paying job.
Difficult with a disability, but I plan to.
Can you work for yourself? There are a lot more elderly needing some kind of home care, I’m guessing Peterborough would have a decent population size for you to find clients. Cut out the middleman agencies and set your rates accordingly.
For carers, there's plenty.
Are your nursing skills not transferable to caring roles and add in your extra skill sets as a nurse, or do you need to have a qualification specifically for caring. That wouldn’t surprise me….
I have spent may years in a supportive role, so uni was a step up. Passed with flying colours two years ago. I don't want to go backwards but upwards. I'm limited in time (brain capacity). Business set up is time-costly.
What is worth more to you a role title and job or high earnings and satisfaction you are managing your own outcomes
I’m not quite sure you are picking up on the part where Amelie has talked about having limited capacity due to her disability.
I have thanks, what has made you butt in with that question?
Because you seemed to be just ignoring Amelie’s lived experience and insinuating that it’s about priorities, rather than capacity.
Thanks for this, it’s made me think that sometimes it might be better to converse on a 1-2-1 basis rather than in a public forum."
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