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"Trying to bring Britain and Germany together apparently 🤔
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Wouldn't that be a good thing?
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Hope he doesn't call them far right if they don't agree 
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Why on earth would he do that? Random thing to say.
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Will it be a chamberlain moment?"
Probably not, seeing as we haven't just come out of a long war with Germany.
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A closer, amicable relationship with our ex-partners is a desirable thing so I hope his overtures succeed.
The Conservative's attitude to the EU after Brexit was like a divorced man going back to his ex-wife and saying "Remember how we used to make things together, how we used to save up to buy things we wanted, how you used to cook lovely meals. Would you like to buy back that old car you gave me as part of the settlement? Shall we do all that again? I liked us doing those things really?"
And she replied "What part of you calling me a fat, sexless, cow and divorcing me don't you remember? I am on Fab now and am overwhelmed with offers from males! So Fuck off looser!" |
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By *irldnCouple 12 weeks ago
Brighton |
"A closer, amicable relationship with our ex-partners is a desirable thing so I hope his overtures succeed.
The Conservative's attitude to the EU after Brexit was like a divorced man going back to his ex-wife and saying "Remember how we used to make things together, how we used to save up to buy things we wanted, how you used to cook lovely meals. Would you like to buy back that old car you gave me as part of the settlement? Shall we do all that again? I liked us doing those things really?"
And she replied "What part of you calling me a fat, sexless, cow and divorcing me don't you remember? I am on Fab now and am overwhelmed with offers from males! So Fuck off looser!" "
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"Trying to bring Britain and Germany together apparently 🤔
Hope he doesn't call them far right if they don't agree
Will it be a chamberlain moment?"
I would expect there to be a limit to how much Germany can change without going to the EU itself. Sounds like a charm offensive and smoothing things over. Maybe a bit like the deals the UK has done with individual American states. |
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By *usybee73 OP Man 12 weeks ago
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"Trying to bring Britain and Germany together apparently 🤔
Hope he doesn't call them far right if they don't agree
Will it be a chamberlain moment?
I would expect there to be a limit to how much Germany can change without going to the EU itself. Sounds like a charm offensive and smoothing things over. Maybe a bit like the deals the UK has done with individual American states. "
Think it's more to appease his own following rather then a trade trip, as agree with you ... Germany can't do nothing with out the eu. Could be awkward with the far right in the eu parliament  |
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"He's re-joining the EU but forgot to tell us.
Good, as brexit is shit
Wouldn't know, as brexit has never actually happened, hence why it's fucked up "
Try telling that to businesses that have to import or export goods from the E.U.
Soon people traveling to Europe will need a visa.
Free movement of people ended in 2021.
So if that's not part of Brexit what is it. What part of Brexit hasn't happened..?
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"He's re-joining the EU but forgot to tell us.
Good, as brexit is shit
Wouldn't know, as brexit has never actually happened, hence why it's fucked up
Try telling that to businesses that have to import or export goods from the E.U.
Soon people traveling to Europe will need a visa.
Free movement of people ended in 2021.
So if that's not part of Brexit what is it. What part of Brexit hasn't happened..?
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The bit where massive benefits flowed and we had loads more money for the NHS |
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By *usybee73 OP Man 12 weeks ago
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Brexit was supposed to liberate the United Kingdom from what supporters of Britain’s departure from the European Union saw as the suffocating confines of the bloc’s regulation. The Brexiteers hoped that leaving would make the country more flexible, faster on its feet and better able to compete in the global economy. But in recent months, that hope has been dashed.
The U.K. has been lambasted as hostile toward business and excessively bureaucratic by a string of major corporations, including Microsoft, as well as British billionaire entrepreneur and inventor Sir James Dyson.
Brexit-supporting bosses of smaller British enterprises have also expressed their disenchantment with the government’s handling of the economy in the three years since the U.K.’s membership in the EU ended.
“I’m rather disappointed to be sitting here today saying that Brexit hasn’t been delivered,“ said Simon Boyd, managing director of John Reid & Sons, a medium-sized steelmaking company in Dorset, England. “We’ve had Brexit in name only. We’re still tied to the EU’s shirttails.”
Boyd is dismayed that thousands of EU regulations that, he said, make his business less competitive than foreign steelmakers remain on the U.K. statute book. These include rules about employment, manufacturing processes and health and safety that the U.K. was compelled to adopt while it was an EU member state. But Boyd maintains they are largely unnecessary and an expensive burden on small and medium-sized companies. |
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By *ronisMan 12 weeks ago
Edinburgh |
"Brexit was supposed to liberate the United Kingdom from what supporters of Britain’s departure from the European Union saw as the suffocating confines of the bloc’s regulation. The Brexiteers hoped that leaving would make the country more flexible, faster on its feet and better able to compete in the global economy. But in recent months, that hope has been dashed.
The U.K. has been lambasted as hostile toward business and excessively bureaucratic by a string of major corporations, including Microsoft, as well as British billionaire entrepreneur and inventor Sir James Dyson.
Brexit-supporting bosses of smaller British enterprises have also expressed their disenchantment with the government’s handling of the economy in the three years since the U.K.’s membership in the EU ended.
“I’m rather disappointed to be sitting here today saying that Brexit hasn’t been delivered,“ said Simon Boyd, managing director of John Reid & Sons, a medium-sized steelmaking company in Dorset, England. “We’ve had Brexit in name only. We’re still tied to the EU’s shirttails.”
Boyd is dismayed that thousands of EU regulations that, he said, make his business less competitive than foreign steelmakers remain on the U.K. statute book. These include rules about employment, manufacturing processes and health and safety that the U.K. was compelled to adopt while it was an EU member state. But Boyd maintains they are largely unnecessary and an expensive burden on small and medium-sized companies."
Correct. This has happened because the elites didn't want to leave and they've set about stopping what the majority voted for. Yip, I'm one of them.
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"Brexit was supposed to liberate the United Kingdom from what supporters of Britain’s departure from the European Union saw as the suffocating confines of the bloc’s regulation. The Brexiteers hoped that leaving would make the country more flexible, faster on its feet and better able to compete in the global economy. But in recent months, that hope has been dashed.
The U.K. has been lambasted as hostile toward business and excessively bureaucratic by a string of major corporations, including Microsoft, as well as British billionaire entrepreneur and inventor Sir James Dyson.
Brexit-supporting bosses of smaller British enterprises have also expressed their disenchantment with the government’s handling of the economy in the three years since the U.K.’s membership in the EU ended.
“I’m rather disappointed to be sitting here today saying that Brexit hasn’t been delivered,“ said Simon Boyd, managing director of John Reid & Sons, a medium-sized steelmaking company in Dorset, England. “We’ve had Brexit in name only. We’re still tied to the EU’s shirttails.”
Boyd is dismayed that thousands of EU regulations that, he said, make his business less competitive than foreign steelmakers remain on the U.K. statute book. These include rules about employment, manufacturing processes and health and safety that the U.K. was compelled to adopt while it was an EU member state. But Boyd maintains they are largely unnecessary and an expensive burden on small and medium-sized companies."
From the same article you copied and pasted from.
Leaving the bloc was supposed to wrest back control over British laws, borders and money. The widespread assumption was that this would lead to both tighter controls over immigration and a more favorable environment for business. But, the critics say, that assumption has proved incorrect. Immigration into the U.K. has soared, and in a recent highly controversial decision, a U.K. regulator proved much tougher and more restrictive toward business than the EU’s regulator.
The case concerned Microsoft’s planned $69 billion takeover of the Activision Blizzard video gaming company, which the U.K.’s Competition and Markets Authority blocked on antitrust grounds, while the European Commission approved it.
“The U.K. has taken an even more aggressive anti-tech line than even the European Union,“ observed Matthew Lesh of the free market-oriented Institute of Economic Affairs.
Microsoft fumed that the U.K.’s decision showed that the country was closed for business and opposed to innovation and inward investment. Lesh agreed.
“This is a missed opportunity for the U.K. to differentiate itself from the EU and be somewhere where it’s easier to do business and it’s easier to invest, “ he said.
It’s worth noting that the U.S. Federal Trade Commission has also opposed the Microsoft-Activision deal, but it’s the contrast between the U.K. and EU decisions that has rankled many Brexiteers.
Am sure that the irony that if we had still been in the E.U, the Microsoft deal would have been approved must amuse you.. |
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"Brexit was supposed to liberate the United Kingdom from what supporters of Britain’s departure from the European Union saw as the suffocating confines of the bloc’s regulation. The Brexiteers hoped that leaving would make the country more flexible, faster on its feet and better able to compete in the global economy. But in recent months, that hope has been dashed.
The U.K. has been lambasted as hostile toward business and excessively bureaucratic by a string of major corporations, including Microsoft, as well as British billionaire entrepreneur and inventor Sir James Dyson.
Brexit-supporting bosses of smaller British enterprises have also expressed their disenchantment with the government’s handling of the economy in the three years since the U.K.’s membership in the EU ended.
“I’m rather disappointed to be sitting here today saying that Brexit hasn’t been delivered,“ said Simon Boyd, managing director of John Reid & Sons, a medium-sized steelmaking company in Dorset, England. “We’ve had Brexit in name only. We’re still tied to the EU’s shirttails.”
Boyd is dismayed that thousands of EU regulations that, he said, make his business less competitive than foreign steelmakers remain on the U.K. statute book. These include rules about employment, manufacturing processes and health and safety that the U.K. was compelled to adopt while it was an EU member state. But Boyd maintains they are largely unnecessary and an expensive burden on small and medium-sized companies."
We left the EU. Man is unhappy with lies told, by the Conservatives, including Johnson about what they'd do, once departed. He was stupid to have believed them and what they said was possible and they'd do. |
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"Brexit was supposed to liberate the United Kingdom from what supporters of Britain’s departure from the European Union saw as the suffocating confines of the bloc’s regulation. The Brexiteers hoped that leaving would make the country more flexible, faster on its feet and better able to compete in the global economy. But in recent months, that hope has been dashed.
The U.K. has been lambasted as hostile toward business and excessively bureaucratic by a string of major corporations, including Microsoft, as well as British billionaire entrepreneur and inventor Sir James Dyson.
Brexit-supporting bosses of smaller British enterprises have also expressed their disenchantment with the government’s handling of the economy in the three years since the U.K.’s membership in the EU ended.
“I’m rather disappointed to be sitting here today saying that Brexit hasn’t been delivered,“ said Simon Boyd, managing director of John Reid & Sons, a medium-sized steelmaking company in Dorset, England. “We’ve had Brexit in name only. We’re still tied to the EU’s shirttails.”
Boyd is dismayed that thousands of EU regulations that, he said, make his business less competitive than foreign steelmakers remain on the U.K. statute book. These include rules about employment, manufacturing processes and health and safety that the U.K. was compelled to adopt while it was an EU member state. But Boyd maintains they are largely unnecessary and an expensive burden on small and medium-sized companies."
I'm fairness, all of the proposed benefits of leaving the EU were thoroughly debunked prior to the referendum.
Personally I'm glad we have managed not to do away with employment law and workers rights & health and safety, that the likes of Boyd were so desperate to bin. |
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By *irldnCouple 12 weeks ago
Brighton |
"Brexit was supposed to liberate the United Kingdom from what supporters of Britain’s departure from the European Union saw as the suffocating confines of the bloc’s regulation. The Brexiteers hoped that leaving would make the country more flexible, faster on its feet and better able to compete in the global economy. But in recent months, that hope has been dashed.
The U.K. has been lambasted as hostile toward business and excessively bureaucratic by a string of major corporations, including Microsoft, as well as British billionaire entrepreneur and inventor Sir James Dyson.
Brexit-supporting bosses of smaller British enterprises have also expressed their disenchantment with the government’s handling of the economy in the three years since the U.K.’s membership in the EU ended.
“I’m rather disappointed to be sitting here today saying that Brexit hasn’t been delivered,“ said Simon Boyd, managing director of John Reid & Sons, a medium-sized steelmaking company in Dorset, England. “We’ve had Brexit in name only. We’re still tied to the EU’s shirttails.”
Boyd is dismayed that thousands of EU regulations that, he said, make his business less competitive than foreign steelmakers remain on the U.K. statute book. These include rules about employment, manufacturing processes and health and safety that the U.K. was compelled to adopt while it was an EU member state. But Boyd maintains they are largely unnecessary and an expensive burden on small and medium-sized companies."
It’s hilarious really. The people who wanted Brexit and complain about EU regulations still being on the UK statute book are the same people who rail against the Civil Service being too large and too well paid without seeing the irony that the only way to change the regulations is a larger well paid (ie attract/retain top talent) Civil Service! |
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"He's re-joining the EU but forgot to tell us.
Good, as brexit is shit
Wouldn't know, as brexit has never actually happened, hence why it's fucked up
It's definitely happened. We left the EU. "
At least the Tories gave us a vote on leaving, but the Socialists know what's best for us without the need to vote. |
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"He's re-joining the EU but forgot to tell us.
Good, as brexit is shit
Wouldn't know, as brexit has never actually happened, hence why it's fucked up
It's definitely happened. We left the EU.
At least the Tories gave us a vote on leaving, but the Socialists know what's best for us without the need to vote."
Not sure what you're saying here, who are the socialists? |
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"He's re-joining the EU but forgot to tell us.
Good, as brexit is shit
Wouldn't know, as brexit has never actually happened, hence why it's fucked up
It's definitely happened. We left the EU.
At least the Tories gave us a vote on leaving, but the Socialists know what's best for us without the need to vote.
Not sure what you're saying here, who are the socialists?"
SKS is a Socialist, no? |
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"He's re-joining the EU but forgot to tell us.
Good, as brexit is shit
Wouldn't know, as brexit has never actually happened, hence why it's fucked up
It's definitely happened. We left the EU.
At least the Tories gave us a vote on leaving, but the Socialists know what's best for us without the need to vote.
Not sure what you're saying here, who are the socialists?
SKS is a Socialist, no?"
His politics are fairly central.
What about him or his policies makes you think he's in favour of social or state ownership of the means of production? |
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"He's re-joining the EU but forgot to tell us.
Good, as brexit is shit
Wouldn't know, as brexit has never actually happened, hence why it's fucked up
It's definitely happened. We left the EU.
At least the Tories gave us a vote on leaving, but the Socialists know what's best for us without the need to vote.
Not sure what you're saying here, who are the socialists?
SKS is a Socialist, no?
His politics are fairly central.
What about him or his policies makes you think he's in favour of social or state ownership of the means of production?"
Starmer regards himself as a Socialist and has said so in interviews, even recently. |
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"He's re-joining the EU but forgot to tell us.
Good, as brexit is shit
Wouldn't know, as brexit has never actually happened, hence why it's fucked up
It's definitely happened. We left the EU.
At least the Tories gave us a vote on leaving, but the Socialists know what's best for us without the need to vote.
Not sure what you're saying here, who are the socialists?
SKS is a Socialist, no?
His politics are fairly central.
What about him or his policies makes you think he's in favour of social or state ownership of the means of production?
Starmer regards himself as a Socialist and has said so in interviews, even recently."
He does?
When can we expect some state or social ownership of the means of production? |
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Starmer regards himself as a Socialist and has said so in interviews, even recently.
He does?
When can we expect some state or social ownership of the means of production?"
Isn't that like asking someone who identifies as a woman when she is having bottom surgery, to make it real? |
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Starmer regards himself as a Socialist and has said so in interviews, even recently.
He does?
When can we expect some state or social ownership of the means of production?
Isn't that like asking someone who identifies as a woman when she is having bottom surgery, to make it real?"
Not really, just wondering when we are going to get some socialism.
If I had to guess, it'll be never. |
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Starmer regards himself as a Socialist and has said so in interviews, even recently.
He does?
When can we expect some state or social ownership of the means of production?
Isn't that like asking someone who identifies as a woman when she is having bottom surgery, to make it real?
Not really, just wondering when we are going to get some socialism.
If I had to guess, it'll be never."
Hopefully. The totalitarianism required to attempt it (as evidenced by most attempts at socialism) would not really be worth it. |
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Starmer regards himself as a Socialist and has said so in interviews, even recently.
He does?
When can we expect some state or social ownership of the means of production?
Isn't that like asking someone who identifies as a woman when she is having bottom surgery, to make it real?
Not really, just wondering when we are going to get some socialism.
If I had to guess, it'll be never.
Hopefully. The totalitarianism required to attempt it (as evidenced by most attempts at socialism) would not really be worth it."
Denmark, France, Germany, Ireland, Switzerland, Netherlands, Italy, India, Poland and Brazil must all be horrible totally extreme dictatorships then according to you. |
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Starmer regards himself as a Socialist and has said so in interviews, even recently.
He does?
When can we expect some state or social ownership of the means of production?
Isn't that like asking someone who identifies as a woman when she is having bottom surgery, to make it real?
Not really, just wondering when we are going to get some socialism.
If I had to guess, it'll be never.
Hopefully. The totalitarianism required to attempt it (as evidenced by most attempts at socialism) would not really be worth it.
Denmark, France, Germany, Ireland, Switzerland, Netherlands, Italy, India, Poland and Brazil must all be horrible totally extreme dictatorships then according to you."
Which of these countries are socialist? India used to be pretty close to socialist. Luckily the politicians foresaw the disaster it was leading the country into and liberalised the economy in the 90s. |
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Starmer regards himself as a Socialist and has said so in interviews, even recently.
He does?
When can we expect some state or social ownership of the means of production?
Isn't that like asking someone who identifies as a woman when she is having bottom surgery, to make it real?
Not really, just wondering when we are going to get some socialism.
If I had to guess, it'll be never.
Hopefully. The totalitarianism required to attempt it (as evidenced by most attempts at socialism) would not really be worth it.
Denmark, France, Germany, Ireland, Switzerland, Netherlands, Italy, India, Poland and Brazil must all be horrible totally extreme dictatorships then according to you.
Which of these countries are socialist? India used to be pretty close to socialist. Luckily the politicians foresaw the disaster it was leading the country into and liberalised the economy in the 90s."
They all have state owned means of production in certain sectors, which the post I was replying to said would require a totalitarian regime. |
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Starmer regards himself as a Socialist and has said so in interviews, even recently.
He does?
When can we expect some state or social ownership of the means of production?
Isn't that like asking someone who identifies as a woman when she is having bottom surgery, to make it real?
Not really, just wondering when we are going to get some socialism.
If I had to guess, it'll be never.
Hopefully. The totalitarianism required to attempt it (as evidenced by most attempts at socialism) would not really be worth it.
Denmark, France, Germany, Ireland, Switzerland, Netherlands, Italy, India, Poland and Brazil must all be horrible totally extreme dictatorships then according to you.
Which of these countries are socialist? India used to be pretty close to socialist. Luckily the politicians foresaw the disaster it was leading the country into and liberalised the economy in the 90s.
They all have state owned means of production in certain sectors, which the post I was replying to said would require a totalitarian regime."
By that argument UK is already socialist
I guess socialism and free markets aren't discrete phenomenon. It's a scale that ranges from ultra-libertarianism to full fledged socialism where everything is owned by the government. |
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the uk will only ever get more closly aligned with the EU. the stubborn eurosceptictory types can stamp their feet all they want, but their nonsense was proved to be nonsense before a single vote was cast in 2016 and continues to be proven as nonsense as time goes on. luckily they deafening whinging and whining about 'brexit not being delivered' despite 'brexit being delivered', will reduce as they die out over the next couple of decades. |
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"the uk will only ever get more closly aligned with the EU. the stubborn eurosceptictory types can stamp their feet all they want, but their nonsense was proved to be nonsense before a single vote was cast in 2016 and continues to be proven as nonsense as time goes on. luckily they deafening whinging and whining about 'brexit not being delivered' despite 'brexit being delivered', will reduce as they die out over the next couple of decades."
Fabulous comment.... complete rubbish but fabulous all the same |
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