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"An ex-inspector has claimed that Notting Hill Carnival is 'the ultimate in two-tier policing' as more than a million people are set to descend on west London to enjoy the festivities. Notting Hill is one of the longest-running street parties in the UK and celebrates Caribbean culture with vividly costumed performers taking part in a parade through the streets with dancing and music. But carnivals in the past have also been marred by violence. There were eight stabbings and 275 arrests at the 2023 event and 7,000 Met Police officers are set to be deployed onto the streets of Kensington. Despite the high number of arrests and heavy police presence, a retired Met Police detective chief inspector has alleged that officers are hesitant to make arrests during the event for fears of being called racist. Mike Neville spoke to the Daily Telegraph where he leaned into the growing conspiracy theory that two-tier policing exists in Britain. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13777675/met-police-notting-hill-carnival-riots-london.html#comments 8 stabbings and 275 arrests, if it was a n annual football game, would it get the same treatment? plus the costs and 7000 officers being dragged from other areas ... makes you think?" There is no need to stop carnival. No one is talking about stopping the big name music festivals, with the drug use and assaults that happen there. As football has been mentioned, let's look at what spikes Domestic violence calls. Football such the world cup or any Big football game. There would never dare be a suggestion that football be stopped. Why? Because of money. Speaking as a Black person, 2 tier policing if it does exist has been done so with the black community for years, just saying this as an observation. This conversation is just some thing else to divide people FFS! There is a lot of history behind Notting hill carnival and it would be really sad to allow those who cause trouble to ruin it and have it stopped for good!! | |||
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" ****Jul 3, 2024 — Black people were over twice as likely to be arrested as white people – there were 20.4 arrests for every 1,000 black people, and 9.4 for every 1,000 white people.***** .gov Hardly that hesitant to arrest, are they? " Exactly! | |||
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"An ex-inspector has claimed that Notting Hill Carnival is 'the ultimate in two-tier policing' as more than a million people are set to descend on west London to enjoy the festivities. Notting Hill is one of the longest-running street parties in the UK and celebrates Caribbean culture with vividly costumed performers taking part in a parade through the streets with dancing and music. But carnivals in the past have also been marred by violence. There were eight stabbings and 275 arrests at the 2023 event and 7,000 Met Police officers are set to be deployed onto the streets of Kensington. Despite the high number of arrests and heavy police presence, a retired Met Police detective chief inspector has alleged that officers are hesitant to make arrests during the event for fears of being called racist. Mike Neville spoke to the Daily Telegraph where he leaned into the growing conspiracy theory that two-tier policing exists in Britain. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13777675/met-police-notting-hill-carnival-riots-london.html#comments 8 stabbings and 275 arrests, if it was a n annual football game, would it get the same treatment? plus the costs and 7000 officers being dragged from other areas ... makes you think?" Makes you think that it cant be compared to to a football match really. | |||
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"Officers aren't hesitant to make arrests at Carnival due to fear of racism, it simply isn't practical or in the publics interest to make arrests for low level offences (smoking in public, use of gas n air etc). The police at carnival do an excellent job given the challenging conditions and make appropriate arrests where necessary." So low level crime is forgotten or not acted on? Where is the line? | |||
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 I suspect that the carnival also brings in a lot of revenue to local business, shop's, bars, hotels, eating establishments and all hire equipment, tents, gazebos, sound systems, etc
Not having the festival would I expect impact very heavily on the local economy
Many towns and cities put on event's like this to bring money in | |||
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"I want to know if Mayor Khan calls " J'ouvert" at the beginning of London's carnival, in the true Caribbean spirit, or is he still in hiding from ULEZ protesters? It will be three tier policing if they have to look after him as well!" Nah, he just pops up for a quick photoshoot at the start of carnival with Amy Lame (like he does at Pride in June) then jumps into his armoured plated range rover and fucks off back home. | |||
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" I suspect that the carnival also brings in a lot of revenue to local business, shop's, bars, hotels, eating establishments and all hire equipment, tents, gazebos, sound systems, etc
Not having the festival would I expect impact very heavily on the local economy
Many towns and cities put on event's like this to bring money in "Actually a lot of businesses have to close for the weekend (for obvious reasons), I think it's more about cultural benefits rather than financial. | |||
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"I want to know if Mayor Khan calls " J'ouvert" at the beginning of London's carnival, in the true Caribbean spirit, or is he still in hiding from ULEZ protesters? It will be three tier policing if they have to look after him as well!"   | |||
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"An ex-inspector has claimed that Notting Hill Carnival is 'the ultimate in two-tier policing' as more than a million people are set to descend on west London to enjoy the festivities. Notting Hill is one of the longest-running street parties in the UK and celebrates Caribbean culture with vividly costumed performers taking part in a parade through the streets with dancing and music. But carnivals in the past have also been marred by violence. There were eight stabbings and 275 arrests at the 2023 event and 7,000 Met Police officers are set to be deployed onto the streets of Kensington. Despite the high number of arrests and heavy police presence, a retired Met Police detective chief inspector has alleged that officers are hesitant to make arrests during the event for fears of being called racist. Mike Neville spoke to the Daily Telegraph where he leaned into the growing conspiracy theory that two-tier policing exists in Britain. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13777675/met-police-notting-hill-carnival-riots-london.html#comments 8 stabbings and 275 arrests, if it was a n annual football game, would it get the same treatment? plus the costs and 7000 officers being dragged from other areas ... makes you think?" Okay… let’s use your football analogy.. and let’s be generous to you and use the largest stadium in the country.. Wembley So … 2 million at carnival equals 22 full capacity football games at Wembley (90,000) So… let’s divide everything you just said by 22 0.35 stabbing per Wembley event 12 arrests per Wembley event 320 extra officers per Wembley event For big time high risk game at Wembley…. The met would absolutely bite your hand off for those figures!!!! | |||
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Anyway the misconception of the carnival is that you follow the whole route round.. oh god no! Most people fall into 1 of two groups
1) you walk till you find a spot on the main route… you park your arse there and you watch all the floats go by!
2) you walk till you find a good sound system playing your type of music …. You park your arse there and you listen and dance to the music!
You tend to know what parts to avoid if you are smart
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"An ex-inspector has claimed that Notting Hill Carnival is 'the ultimate in two-tier policing' as more than a million people are set to descend on west London to enjoy the festivities. Notting Hill is one of the longest-running street parties in the UK and celebrates Caribbean culture with vividly costumed performers taking part in a parade through the streets with dancing and music. But carnivals in the past have also been marred by violence. There were eight stabbings and 275 arrests at the 2023 event and 7,000 Met Police officers are set to be deployed onto the streets of Kensington. Despite the high number of arrests and heavy police presence, a retired Met Police detective chief inspector has alleged that officers are hesitant to make arrests during the event for fears of being called racist. Mike Neville spoke to the Daily Telegraph where he leaned into the growing conspiracy theory that two-tier policing exists in Britain. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13777675/met-police-notting-hill-carnival-riots-london.html#comments 8 stabbings and 275 arrests, if it was a n annual football game, would it get the same treatment? plus the costs and 7000 officers being dragged from other areas ... makes you think? Okay… let’s use your football analogy.. and let’s be generous to you and use the largest stadium in the country.. Wembley So … 2 million at carnival equals 22 full capacity football games at Wembley (90,000) So… let’s divide everything you just said by 22 0.35 stabbing per Wembley event 12 arrests per Wembley event 320 extra officers per Wembley event For big time high risk game at Wembley…. The met would absolutely bite your hand off for those figures!!!! " Why would you consider it high risk? | |||
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"I never use to go to carnival on the Sunday anyway….that’s children and families day Monday was the one for the big kids…
Anyway the misconception of the carnival is that you follow the whole route round.. oh god no! Most people fall into 1 of two groups
1) you walk till you find a spot on the main route… you park your arse there and you watch all the floats go by!
2) you walk till you find a good sound system playing your type of music …. You park your arse there and you listen and dance to the music!
You tend to know what parts to avoid if you are smart
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"I never use to go to carnival on the Sunday anyway….that’s children and families day Monday was the one for the big kids…
Anyway the misconception of the carnival is that you follow the whole route round.. oh god no! Most people fall into 1 of two groups
1) you walk till you find a spot on the main route… you park your arse there and you watch all the floats go by!
2) you walk till you find a good sound system playing your type of music …. You park your arse there and you listen and dance to the music!
You tend to know what parts to avoid if you are smart
Why would you need to avoid certain areas? Surely the police know about these areas?"You shouldn’t need to be “smart” and know which areas to avoid, in order to safely attend an event | |||
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"I never use to go to carnival on the Sunday anyway….that’s children and families day Monday was the one for the big kids…
Anyway the misconception of the carnival is that you follow the whole route round.. oh god no! Most people fall into 1 of two groups
1) you walk till you find a spot on the main route… you park your arse there and you watch all the floats go by!
2) you walk till you find a good sound system playing your type of music …. You park your arse there and you listen and dance to the music!
You tend to know what parts to avoid if you are smart
Why would you need to avoid certain areas? Surely the police know about these areas?"Of course the police know where the bigger groups of people are likely to be… You don’t need to avoid any part but you can be smart… you sound like a person who has never been to Notting Hill but for example back in the day you know where the “radio 1” event is taking place on the route (underneath the westway) , you knew where the kiss fm soundstage was ( nearer to the Notting Hill end), you knew exactly where certain pirate radio station systems were ( just by Westbourne Park station a little bit off the main parade route) They hand out maps of the parade route, they tell you even as pedestrians which streets you can cut through to get from a to b | |||
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"An ex-inspector has claimed that Notting Hill Carnival is 'the ultimate in two-tier policing' as more than a million people are set to descend on west London to enjoy the festivities. Notting Hill is one of the longest-running street parties in the UK and celebrates Caribbean culture with vividly costumed performers taking part in a parade through the streets with dancing and music. But carnivals in the past have also been marred by violence. There were eight stabbings and 275 arrests at the 2023 event and 7,000 Met Police officers are set to be deployed onto the streets of Kensington. Despite the high number of arrests and heavy police presence, a retired Met Police detective chief inspector has alleged that officers are hesitant to make arrests during the event for fears of being called racist. Mike Neville spoke to the Daily Telegraph where he leaned into the growing conspiracy theory that two-tier policing exists in Britain. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13777675/met-police-notting-hill-carnival-riots-london.html#comments 8 stabbings and 275 arrests, if it was a n annual football game, would it get the same treatment? plus the costs and 7000 officers being dragged from other areas ... makes you think? Okay… let’s use your football analogy.. and let’s be generous to you and use the largest stadium in the country.. Wembley So … 2 million at carnival equals 22 full capacity football games at Wembley (90,000) So… let’s divide everything you just said by 22 0.35 stabbing per Wembley event 12 arrests per Wembley event 320 extra officers per Wembley event For big time high risk game at Wembley…. The met would absolutely bite your hand off for those figures!!!! Why would you consider it high risk?" Can you find the arrest figures for the euro 2021 final between England and Italy… | |||
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"I never use to go to carnival on the Sunday anyway….that’s children and families day Monday was the one for the big kids…
Anyway the misconception of the carnival is that you follow the whole route round.. oh god no! Most people fall into 1 of two groups
1) you walk till you find a spot on the main route… you park your arse there and you watch all the floats go by!
2) you walk till you find a good sound system playing your type of music …. You park your arse there and you listen and dance to the music!
You tend to know what parts to avoid if you are smart
Why would you need to avoid certain areas? Surely the police know about these areas?
Of course the police know where the bigger groups of people are likely to be…
You don’t need to avoid any part but you can be smart… you sound like a person who has never been to Notting Hill
but for example back in the day you know where the “radio 1” event is taking place on the route (underneath the westway) , you knew where the kiss fm soundstage was ( nearer to the Notting Hill end), you knew exactly where certain pirate radio station systems were ( just by Westbourne Park station a little bit off the main parade route)
They hand out maps of the parade route, they tell you even as pedestrians which streets you can cut through to get from a to b"“You tend to know which parts to avoid if you’re smart” “You don’t need to avoid any parts”. I’m confused. Are there areas that need to be avoided or not? And why do they need to be avoided? | |||
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"An ex-inspector has claimed that Notting Hill Carnival is 'the ultimate in two-tier policing' as more than a million people are set to descend on west London to enjoy the festivities. Notting Hill is one of the longest-running street parties in the UK and celebrates Caribbean culture with vividly costumed performers taking part in a parade through the streets with dancing and music. But carnivals in the past have also been marred by violence. There were eight stabbings and 275 arrests at the 2023 event and 7,000 Met Police officers are set to be deployed onto the streets of Kensington. Despite the high number of arrests and heavy police presence, a retired Met Police detective chief inspector has alleged that officers are hesitant to make arrests during the event for fears of being called racist. Mike Neville spoke to the Daily Telegraph where he leaned into the growing conspiracy theory that two-tier policing exists in Britain. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13777675/met-police-notting-hill-carnival-riots-london.html#comments 8 stabbings and 275 arrests, if it was a n annual football game, would it get the same treatment? plus the costs and 7000 officers being dragged from other areas ... makes you think? Okay… let’s use your football analogy.. and let’s be generous to you and use the largest stadium in the country.. Wembley So … 2 million at carnival equals 22 full capacity football games at Wembley (90,000) So… let’s divide everything you just said by 22 0.35 stabbing per Wembley event 12 arrests per Wembley event 320 extra officers per Wembley event For big time high risk game at Wembley…. The met would absolutely bite your hand off for those figures!!!! " conflating figures like this doesn't work.. The numbers are the numbers. | |||
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"An ex-inspector has claimed that Notting Hill Carnival is 'the ultimate in two-tier policing' as more than a million people are set to descend on west London to enjoy the festivities. Notting Hill is one of the longest-running street parties in the UK and celebrates Caribbean culture with vividly costumed performers taking part in a parade through the streets with dancing and music. But carnivals in the past have also been marred by violence. There were eight stabbings and 275 arrests at the 2023 event and 7,000 Met Police officers are set to be deployed onto the streets of Kensington. Despite the high number of arrests and heavy police presence, a retired Met Police detective chief inspector has alleged that officers are hesitant to make arrests during the event for fears of being called racist. Mike Neville spoke to the Daily Telegraph where he leaned into the growing conspiracy theory that two-tier policing exists in Britain. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13777675/met-police-notting-hill-carnival-riots-london.html#comments 8 stabbings and 275 arrests, if it was a n annual football game, would it get the same treatment? plus the costs and 7000 officers being dragged from other areas ... makes you think? Okay… let’s use your football analogy.. and let’s be generous to you and use the largest stadium in the country.. Wembley So … 2 million at carnival equals 22 full capacity football games at Wembley (90,000) So… let’s divide everything you just said by 22 0.35 stabbing per Wembley event 12 arrests per Wembley event 320 extra officers per Wembley event For big time high risk game at Wembley…. The met would absolutely bite your hand off for those figures!!!! " Two million in attendance? Really? | |||
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".. Two million in attendance? Really?" .. and that's just the police! | |||
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" ****Jul 3, 2024 — Black people were over twice as likely to be arrested as white people – there were 20.4 arrests for every 1,000 black people, and 9.4 for every 1,000 white people.***** .gov Hardly that hesitant to arrest, are they? " If they arrested that many while being hesitant. Imagine how many should have been. | |||
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"An ex-inspector has claimed that Notting Hill Carnival is 'the ultimate in two-tier policing' as more than a million people are set to descend on west London to enjoy the festivities. Notting Hill is one of the longest-running street parties in the UK and celebrates Caribbean culture with vividly costumed performers taking part in a parade through the streets with dancing and music. But carnivals in the past have also been marred by violence. There were eight stabbings and 275 arrests at the 2023 event and 7,000 Met Police officers are set to be deployed onto the streets of Kensington. Despite the high number of arrests and heavy police presence, a retired Met Police detective chief inspector has alleged that officers are hesitant to make arrests during the event for fears of being called racist. Mike Neville spoke to the Daily Telegraph where he leaned into the growing conspiracy theory that two-tier policing exists in Britain. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13777675/met-police-notting-hill-carnival-riots-london.html#comments 8 stabbings and 275 arrests, if it was a n annual football game, would it get the same treatment? plus the costs and 7000 officers being dragged from other areas ... makes you think? Okay… let’s use your football analogy.. and let’s be generous to you and use the largest stadium in the country.. Wembley So … 2 million at carnival equals 22 full capacity football games at Wembley (90,000) So… let’s divide everything you just said by 22 0.35 stabbing per Wembley event 12 arrests per Wembley event 320 extra officers per Wembley event For big time high risk game at Wembley…. The met would absolutely bite your hand off for those figures!!!! Why would you consider it high risk? Can you find the arrest figures for the euro 2021 final between England and Italy… " From what I recall ... not many sexual assaults ... well maybe on the pitch
Lived in London 92 to 95 and did attend, very different as most were doped up, though cannabis was a lot different in said times. | |||
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"Why are we celebrating Caribbean culture? This is Britain, isn't it? " We’re a wonderfully multicultural nation, isn’t that great? 🇯🇲🇧🇧🇧🇲🇭🇹🇹🇹🇬🇾🇧🇸🇱🇨🇰🇳 | |||
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"Why are we celebrating Caribbean culture? This is Britain, isn't it? We’re a wonderfully multicultural nation, isn’t that great? 🇯🇲🇧🇧🇧🇲🇭🇹🇹🇹🇬🇾🇧🇸🇱🇨🇰🇳" What's wrong with British culture? | |||
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"Why are we celebrating Caribbean culture? This is Britain, isn't it? We’re a wonderfully multicultural nation, isn’t that great? 🇯🇲🇧🇧🇧🇲🇭🇹🇹🇹🇬🇾🇧🇸🇱🇨🇰🇳" All those colourful flags. Which one of those countries would you move to for a better life? | |||
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"Why are we celebrating Caribbean culture? This is Britain, isn't it? We’re a wonderfully multicultural nation, isn’t that great? 🇯🇲🇧🇧🇧🇲🇭🇹🇹🇹🇬🇾🇧🇸🇱🇨🇰🇳 What's wrong with British culture?" I don’t know, what is wrong with British culture? | |||
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"Why are we celebrating Caribbean culture? This is Britain, isn't it? We’re a wonderfully multicultural nation, isn’t that great? 🇯🇲🇧🇧🇧🇲🇭🇹🇹🇹🇬🇾🇧🇸🇱🇨🇰🇳 What's wrong with British culture? I don’t know, what is wrong with British culture?" Another non answer. Evasion. Try again. | |||
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"Why are we celebrating Caribbean culture? This is Britain, isn't it? We’re a wonderfully multicultural nation, isn’t that great? 🇯🇲🇧🇧🇧🇲🇭🇹🇹🇹🇬🇾🇧🇸🇱🇨🇰🇳 What's wrong with British culture? I don’t know, what is wrong with British culture? Another non answer. Evasion. Try again." I just said, I don’t know what’s wrong with British culture, I assumed you had something to say on the matter. | |||
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"Why are we celebrating Caribbean culture? This is Britain, isn't it? We’re a wonderfully multicultural nation, isn’t that great? 🇯🇲🇧🇧🇧🇲🇭🇹🇹🇹🇬🇾🇧🇸🇱🇨🇰🇳 What's wrong with British culture? I don’t know, what is wrong with British culture? Another non answer. Evasion. Try again. I just said, I don’t know what’s wrong with British culture, I assumed you had something to say on the matter." As in why not celebrate our culture? Why celebrate other? | |||
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"Why are we celebrating Caribbean culture? This is Britain, isn't it? We’re a wonderfully multicultural nation, isn’t that great? 🇯🇲🇧🇧🇧🇲🇭🇹🇹🇹🇬🇾🇧🇸🇱🇨🇰🇳" What's great about it? | |||
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"Why are we celebrating Caribbean culture? This is Britain, isn't it? We’re a wonderfully multicultural nation, isn’t that great? 🇯🇲🇧🇧🇧🇲🇭🇹🇹🇹🇬🇾🇧🇸🇱🇨🇰🇳 What's wrong with British culture? I don’t know, what is wrong with British culture? Another non answer. Evasion. Try again. I just said, I don’t know what’s wrong with British culture, I assumed you had something to say on the matter. As in why not celebrate our culture? Why celebrate other?" Are you not allowed to celebrate British culture? | |||
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"Why are we celebrating Caribbean culture? This is Britain, isn't it? " Because it's fun. | |||
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"Why are we celebrating Caribbean culture? This is Britain, isn't it? We’re a wonderfully multicultural nation, isn’t that great? 🇯🇲🇧🇧🇧🇲🇭🇹🇹🇹🇬🇾🇧🇸🇱🇨🇰🇳 What's great about it?" It’s made us into the country that we are, from the Romans to the Jutes to the Angles to the Saxons to the Vikings to the Normans to the Dutch etc. we are an amazing melting pot of different cultures. | |||
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"Update at 23:00hrs on Monday 26 August There are only a small number of people left in the vicinity of Carnival. Officers remain in the area to ensure any further incidents can be dealt with. Throughout the day, officers have used their search powers to take weapons off the streets and prevent additional serious violence. Three firearms have been recovered, two at Carnival and one during a vehicle stop in Harrow involving individuals believed to be on their way to the event. As of 22:50hrs there had been five stabbings, two incidents where victims sustained slash wounds and one incident involving a corrosive substance Two of those who were stabbed are in a life threatening condition. The 32-year- old woman stabbed on Sunday also remains in a life threatening condition. There were 35 officers injured . They are receiving our full support. As of 22:45hrs, there had been 230 arrests. The breakdown of offences for Monday's arrests so far is as follows: 49 x possession of an offensive weapon 8 x sexual offences 15 x other violence 2 x vehicle crime 11 x possession with intent to supply drugs 40 x possession of class B drugs 6 x possession of drugs (other) 3 x other theft offences 22 x other offences 37 x assault on an emergencyworker 9 x violence with injury 1 x possession of a firearm 1 x harassment 9 x possession of class A drugs 4 x possession of nitrous oxide 2 x theft from a person 11 x public order offences" Will Starmer be demanding stiff jail sentences or do we have dual sentencing in play? | |||
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"Update at 23:00hrs on Monday 26 August There are only a small number of people left in the vicinity of Carnival. Officers remain in the area to ensure any further incidents can be dealt with. Throughout the day, officers have used their search powers to take weapons off the streets and prevent additional serious violence. Three firearms have been recovered, two at Carnival and one during a vehicle stop in Harrow involving individuals believed to be on their way to the event. As of 22:50hrs there had been five stabbings, two incidents where victims sustained slash wounds and one incident involving a corrosive substance Two of those who were stabbed are in a life threatening condition. The 32-year- old woman stabbed on Sunday also remains in a life threatening condition. There were 35 officers injured . They are receiving our full support. As of 22:45hrs, there had been 230 arrests. The breakdown of offences for Monday's arrests so far is as follows: 49 x possession of an offensive weapon 8 x sexual offences 15 x other violence 2 x vehicle crime 11 x possession with intent to supply drugs 40 x possession of class B drugs 6 x possession of drugs (other) 3 x other theft offences 22 x other offences 37 x assault on an emergencyworker 9 x violence with injury 1 x possession of a firearm 1 x harassment 9 x possession of class A drugs 4 x possession of nitrous oxide 2 x theft from a person 11 x public order offences Will Starmer be demanding stiff jail sentences or do we have dual sentencing in play?" I'm sure they will be before the beak and 3 year sentence by dinnertime and labelled right wing  | |||
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"Update at 23:00hrs on Monday 26 August There are only a small number of people left in the vicinity of Carnival. Officers remain in the area to ensure any further incidents can be dealt with. Throughout the day, officers have used their search powers to take weapons off the streets and prevent additional serious violence. Three firearms have been recovered, two at Carnival and one during a vehicle stop in Harrow involving individuals believed to be on their way to the event. As of 22:50hrs there had been five stabbings, two incidents where victims sustained slash wounds and one incident involving a corrosive substance Two of those who were stabbed are in a life threatening condition. The 32-year- old woman stabbed on Sunday also remains in a life threatening condition. There were 35 officers injured . They are receiving our full support. As of 22:45hrs, there had been 230 arrests. The breakdown of offences for Monday's arrests so far is as follows: 49 x possession of an offensive weapon 8 x sexual offences 15 x other violence 2 x vehicle crime 11 x possession with intent to supply drugs 40 x possession of class B drugs 6 x possession of drugs (other) 3 x other theft offences 22 x other offences 37 x assault on an emergencyworker 9 x violence with injury 1 x possession of a firearm 1 x harassment 9 x possession of class A drugs 4 x possession of nitrous oxide 2 x theft from a person 11 x public order offences Will Starmer be demanding stiff jail sentences or do we have dual sentencing in play? I'm sure they will be before the beak and 3 year sentence by dinnertime and labelled right wing "It’s really the victims’ fault because: “Y ou tend to know what parts to avoid if you’re smart” | |||
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"Why are we celebrating Caribbean culture? This is Britain, isn't it? We’re a wonderfully multicultural nation, isn’t that great? 🇯🇲🇧🇧🇧🇲🇭🇹🇹🇹🇬🇾🇧🇸🇱🇨🇰🇳 What's wrong with British culture?" It’s Black British culture. Don’t like it? Blame the Empire. It was horrible anyway. | |||
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"Update at 23:00hrs on Monday 26 August There are only a small number of people left in the vicinity of Carnival. Officers remain in the area to ensure any further incidents can be dealt with. Throughout the day, officers have used their search powers to take weapons off the streets and prevent additional serious violence. Three firearms have been recovered, two at Carnival and one during a vehicle stop in Harrow involving individuals believed to be on their way to the event. As of 22:50hrs there had been five stabbings, two incidents where victims sustained slash wounds and one incident involving a corrosive substance Two of those who were stabbed are in a life threatening condition. The 32-year- old woman stabbed on Sunday also remains in a life threatening condition. There were 35 officers injured . They are receiving our full support. As of 22:45hrs, there had been 230 arrests. The breakdown of offences for Monday's arrests so far is as follows: 49 x possession of an offensive weapon 8 x sexual offences 15 x other violence 2 x vehicle crime 11 x possession with intent to supply drugs 40 x possession of class B drugs 6 x possession of drugs (other) 3 x other theft offences 22 x other offences 37 x assault on an emergencyworker 9 x violence with injury 1 x possession of a firearm 1 x harassment 9 x possession of class A drugs 4 x possession of nitrous oxide 2 x theft from a person 11 x public order offences" I wonder why you would need to take such things to carnivals | |||
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"Update at 23:00hrs on Monday 26 August There are only a small number of people left in the vicinity of Carnival. Officers remain in the area to ensure any further incidents can be dealt with. Throughout the day, officers have used their search powers to take weapons off the streets and prevent additional serious violence. Three firearms have been recovered, two at Carnival and one during a vehicle stop in Harrow involving individuals believed to be on their way to the event. As of 22:50hrs there had been five stabbings, two incidents where victims sustained slash wounds and one incident involving a corrosive substance Two of those who were stabbed are in a life threatening condition. The 32-year- old woman stabbed on Sunday also remains in a life threatening condition. There were 35 officers injured . They are receiving our full support. As of 22:45hrs, there had been 230 arrests. The breakdown of offences for Monday's arrests so far is as follows: 49 x possession of an offensive weapon 8 x sexual offences 15 x other violence 2 x vehicle crime 11 x possession with intent to supply drugs 40 x possession of class B drugs 6 x possession of drugs (other) 3 x other theft offences 22 x other offences 37 x assault on an emergencyworker 9 x violence with injury 1 x possession of a firearm 1 x harassment 9 x possession of class A drugs 4 x possession of nitrous oxide 2 x theft from a person 11 x public order offences I wonder why you would need to take such things to carnivals " Because it’s fun? | |||
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"The carnival isn't the problem, the culture of the scumbags carrying blades to public events is the problem." And guns. 3 firearms confiscated | |||
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"Why are we celebrating Caribbean culture? This is Britain, isn't it? " You’re based in Edinburgh Is St Andrews day only celebrated in Scotland? Burns night? Is st Patrick’s day only celebrated in Ireland? | |||
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"Why are we celebrating Caribbean culture? This is Britain, isn't it? We’re a wonderfully multicultural nation, isn’t that great? 🇯🇲🇧🇧🇧🇲🇭🇹🇹🇹🇬🇾🇧🇸🇱🇨🇰🇳 All those colourful flags. Which one of those countries would you move to for a better life?" That’s not the point. The point is that people from their countries are part of modern Britain. | |||
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"Why are we celebrating Caribbean culture? This is Britain, isn't it? We’re a wonderfully multicultural nation, isn’t that great? 🇯🇲🇧🇧🇧🇲🇭🇹🇹🇹🇬🇾🇧🇸🇱🇨🇰🇳 What's wrong with British culture?" Bigotry, xenophobia, racism. Otherwise pretty good | |||
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"Why are we celebrating Caribbean culture? This is Britain, isn't it? We’re a wonderfully multicultural nation, isn’t that great? 🇯🇲🇧🇧🇧🇲🇭🇹🇹🇹🇬🇾🇧🇸🇱🇨🇰🇳 What's wrong with British culture? I don’t know, what is wrong with British culture? Another non answer. Evasion. Try again. I just said, I don’t know what’s wrong with British culture, I assumed you had something to say on the matter. As in why not celebrate our culture? Why celebrate other?" There are no celebrations of British culture, no? Maybe enjoy the colourful celebrations of the many minority populations then, you might enjoy yourself. | |||
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"Stop the event Impose martial law Arrest Sheila from Liverpool for walking past a riot " … or maybe manage / control the event so that it is safe to attend? | |||
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"Stop the event Impose martial law Arrest Sheila from Liverpool for walking past a riot … or maybe manage / control the event so that it is safe to attend? " How would that work, I’m sure they set out to do that now. | |||
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"Why are we celebrating Caribbean culture? This is Britain, isn't it? " I am sure we can find you a Maypole to dance around if you are that offended! Seriously though… with posts like the above it does make you wonder what is taught about windrush for example… and the origins around how things like the Notting Hill carnival come to exist. | |||
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"Why are we celebrating Caribbean culture? This is Britain, isn't it? We’re a wonderfully multicultural nation, isn’t that great? 🇯🇲🇧🇧🇧🇲🇭🇹🇹🇹🇬🇾🇧🇸🇱🇨🇰🇳 What's wrong with British culture? I don’t know, what is wrong with British culture? Another non answer. Evasion. Try again. I just said, I don’t know what’s wrong with British culture, I assumed you had something to say on the matter. As in why not celebrate our culture? Why celebrate other? There are no celebrations of British culture, no? Maybe enjoy the colourful celebrations of the many minority populations then, you might enjoy yourself. " The National Eisteffdod of Wales would be a great (and 100%) safe Place to start. A minority population and the 'senior' folk of Britain. https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/crowd-singing-eisteddfod-train-station-29676165 and the words of Calon Lan have a great meaning also. Cymru am Byth | |||
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"Why are we celebrating Caribbean culture? This is Britain, isn't it? We’re a wonderfully multicultural nation, isn’t that great? 🇯🇲🇧🇧🇧🇲🇭🇹🇹🇹🇬🇾🇧🇸🇱🇨🇰🇳 What's wrong with British culture? Bigotry, xenophobia, racism. Otherwise pretty good " Yup, I'll second that. Read it on these forums just last week. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar/15/anti-welsh-bigotry-eddie-jones-england-brexit https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/mocking-the-welsh-is-still-a-permitted-bigotry-and-it-s-fuelling-nationalism/ | |||
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"Update at 23:00hrs on Monday 26 August There are only a small number of people left in the vicinity of Carnival. Officers remain in the area to ensure any further incidents can be dealt with. Throughout the day, officers have used their search powers to take weapons off the streets and prevent additional serious violence. Three firearms have been recovered, two at Carnival and one during a vehicle stop in Harrow involving individuals believed to be on their way to the event. As of 22:50hrs there had been five stabbings, two incidents where victims sustained slash wounds and one incident involving a corrosive substance Two of those who were stabbed are in a life threatening condition. The 32-year- old woman stabbed on Sunday also remains in a life threatening condition. There were 35 officers injured . They are receiving our full support. As of 22:45hrs, there had been 230 arrests. The breakdown of offences for Monday's arrests so far is as follows: 49 x possession of an offensive weapon 8 x sexual offences 15 x other violence 2 x vehicle crime 11 x possession with intent to supply drugs 40 x possession of class B drugs 6 x possession of drugs (other) 3 x other theft offences 22 x other offences 37 x assault on an emergencyworker 9 x violence with injury 1 x possession of a firearm 1 x harassment 9 x possession of class A drugs 4 x possession of nitrous oxide 2 x theft from a person 11 x public order offences Will Starmer be demanding stiff jail sentences or do we have dual sentencing in play? I'm sure they will be before the beak and 3 year sentence by dinnertime and labelled right wing "Imagine if they were participating in planning a peaceful environmental protest. Banged up for five years. Two tier policing. | |||
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"Update at 23:00hrs on Monday 26 August There are only a small number of people left in the vicinity of Carnival. Officers remain in the area to ensure any further incidents can be dealt with. Throughout the day, officers have used their search powers to take weapons off the streets and prevent additional serious violence. Three firearms have been recovered, two at Carnival and one during a vehicle stop in Harrow involving individuals believed to be on their way to the event. As of 22:50hrs there had been five stabbings, two incidents where victims sustained slash wounds and one incident involving a corrosive substance Two of those who were stabbed are in a life threatening condition. The 32-year- old woman stabbed on Sunday also remains in a life threatening condition. There were 35 officers injured . They are receiving our full support. As of 22:45hrs, there had been 230 arrests. The breakdown of offences for Monday's arrests so far is as follows: 49 x possession of an offensive weapon 8 x sexual offences 15 x other violence 2 x vehicle crime 11 x possession with intent to supply drugs 40 x possession of class B drugs 6 x possession of drugs (other) 3 x other theft offences 22 x other offences 37 x assault on an emergencyworker 9 x violence with injury 1 x possession of a firearm 1 x harassment 9 x possession of class A drugs 4 x possession of nitrous oxide 2 x theft from a person 11 x public order offences Will Starmer be demanding stiff jail sentences or do we have dual sentencing in play? I'm sure they will be before the beak and 3 year sentence by dinnertime and labelled right wing
Imagine if they were participating in planning a peaceful environmental protest. Banged up for five years.
Two tier policing. "Weak point. Not the same thing. And I don’t accept that the actions of the eco-terrorists are “peaceful”, deliberately disrupting the country’s infrastructure. | |||
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"Update at 23:00hrs on Monday 26 August There are only a small number of people left in the vicinity of Carnival. Officers remain in the area to ensure any further incidents can be dealt with. Throughout the day, officers have used their search powers to take weapons off the streets and prevent additional serious violence. Three firearms have been recovered, two at Carnival and one during a vehicle stop in Harrow involving individuals believed to be on their way to the event. As of 22:50hrs there had been five stabbings, two incidents where victims sustained slash wounds and one incident involving a corrosive substance Two of those who were stabbed are in a life threatening condition. The 32-year- old woman stabbed on Sunday also remains in a life threatening condition. There were 35 officers injured . They are receiving our full support. As of 22:45hrs, there had been 230 arrests. The breakdown of offences for Monday's arrests so far is as follows: 49 x possession of an offensive weapon 8 x sexual offences 15 x other violence 2 x vehicle crime 11 x possession with intent to supply drugs 40 x possession of class B drugs 6 x possession of drugs (other) 3 x other theft offences 22 x other offences 37 x assault on an emergencyworker 9 x violence with injury 1 x possession of a firearm 1 x harassment 9 x possession of class A drugs 4 x possession of nitrous oxide 2 x theft from a person 11 x public order offences I wonder why you would need to take such things to carnivals " Drugs, well people take those to festivals and events. Nothing new at all. Some people take them to the pub. Weapons. I suppose it’s that the people carrying take these things everywhere. This event would be no different would it? | |||
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"Why are we celebrating Caribbean culture? This is Britain, isn't it? I am sure we can find you a Maypole to dance around if you are that offended! Seriously though… with posts like the above it does make you wonder what is taught about windrush for example… and the origins around how things like the Notting Hill carnival come to exist." People don’t learn this shit. That’s the problem. People barely learn empire. No wonder they don’t understand its relevance today. | |||
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"Update at 23:00hrs on Monday 26 August There are only a small number of people left in the vicinity of Carnival. Officers remain in the area to ensure any further incidents can be dealt with. Throughout the day, officers have used their search powers to take weapons off the streets and prevent additional serious violence. Three firearms have been recovered, two at Carnival and one during a vehicle stop in Harrow involving individuals believed to be on their way to the event. As of 22:50hrs there had been five stabbings, two incidents where victims sustained slash wounds and one incident involving a corrosive substance Two of those who were stabbed are in a life threatening condition. The 32-year- old woman stabbed on Sunday also remains in a life threatening condition. There were 35 officers injured . They are receiving our full support. As of 22:45hrs, there had been 230 arrests. The breakdown of offences for Monday's arrests so far is as follows: 49 x possession of an offensive weapon 8 x sexual offences 15 x other violence 2 x vehicle crime 11 x possession with intent to supply drugs 40 x possession of class B drugs 6 x possession of drugs (other) 3 x other theft offences 22 x other offences 37 x assault on an emergencyworker 9 x violence with injury 1 x possession of a firearm 1 x harassment 9 x possession of class A drugs 4 x possession of nitrous oxide 2 x theft from a person 11 x public order offences Will Starmer be demanding stiff jail sentences or do we have dual sentencing in play? I'm sure they will be before the beak and 3 year sentence by dinnertime and labelled right wing
Imagine if they were participating in planning a peaceful environmental protest. Banged up for five years.
Two tier policing.
Weak point. Not the same thing.
And I don’t accept that the actions of the eco-terrorists are “peaceful”, deliberately disrupting the country’s infrastructure. "Yeah, planning a non-violent environmental protest is definitely much more severe crime than race hate rioting.  | |||
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"Update at 23:00hrs on Monday 26 August There are only a small number of people left in the vicinity of Carnival. Officers remain in the area to ensure any further incidents can be dealt with. Throughout the day, officers have used their search powers to take weapons off the streets and prevent additional serious violence. Three firearms have been recovered, two at Carnival and one during a vehicle stop in Harrow involving individuals believed to be on their way to the event. As of 22:50hrs there had been five stabbings, two incidents where victims sustained slash wounds and one incident involving a corrosive substance Two of those who were stabbed are in a life threatening condition. The 32-year- old woman stabbed on Sunday also remains in a life threatening condition. There were 35 officers injured . They are receiving our full support. As of 22:45hrs, there had been 230 arrests. The breakdown of offences for Monday's arrests so far is as follows: 49 x possession of an offensive weapon 8 x sexual offences 15 x other violence 2 x vehicle crime 11 x possession with intent to supply drugs 40 x possession of class B drugs 6 x possession of drugs (other) 3 x other theft offences 22 x other offences 37 x assault on an emergencyworker 9 x violence with injury 1 x possession of a firearm 1 x harassment 9 x possession of class A drugs 4 x possession of nitrous oxide 2 x theft from a person 11 x public order offences Will Starmer be demanding stiff jail sentences or do we have dual sentencing in play? I'm sure they will be before the beak and 3 year sentence by dinnertime and labelled right wing
Imagine if they were participating in planning a peaceful environmental protest. Banged up for five years.
Two tier policing.
Weak point. Not the same thing.
And I don’t accept that the actions of the eco-terrorists are “peaceful”, deliberately disrupting the country’s infrastructure.
Yeah, planning a non-violent environmental protest is definitely much more severe crime than race hate rioting. "Always interesting to see where people’s priorities lie. | |||
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" Yeah, planning a non-violent environmental protest is definitely much more severe crime than race hate rioting. "I don't think stopping traffic can be considered non-violent. | |||
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"Update at 23:00hrs on Monday 26 August There are only a small number of people left in the vicinity of Carnival. Officers remain in the area to ensure any further incidents can be dealt with. Throughout the day, officers have used their search powers to take weapons off the streets and prevent additional serious violence. Three firearms have been recovered, two at Carnival and one during a vehicle stop in Harrow involving individuals believed to be on their way to the event. As of 22:50hrs there had been five stabbings, two incidents where victims sustained slash wounds and one incident involving a corrosive substance Two of those who were stabbed are in a life threatening condition. The 32-year- old woman stabbed on Sunday also remains in a life threatening condition. There were 35 officers injured . They are receiving our full support. As of 22:45hrs, there had been 230 arrests. The breakdown of offences for Monday's arrests so far is as follows: 49 x possession of an offensive weapon 8 x sexual offences 15 x other violence 2 x vehicle crime 11 x possession with intent to supply drugs 40 x possession of class B drugs 6 x possession of drugs (other) 3 x other theft offences 22 x other offences 37 x assault on an emergencyworker 9 x violence with injury 1 x possession of a firearm 1 x harassment 9 x possession of class A drugs 4 x possession of nitrous oxide 2 x theft from a person 11 x public order offences Will Starmer be demanding stiff jail sentences or do we have dual sentencing in play? I'm sure they will be before the beak and 3 year sentence by dinnertime and labelled right wing
Imagine if they were participating in planning a peaceful environmental protest. Banged up for five years.
Two tier policing.
Weak point. Not the same thing.
And I don’t accept that the actions of the eco-terrorists are “peaceful”, deliberately disrupting the country’s infrastructure.
Yeah, planning a non-violent environmental protest is definitely much more severe crime than race hate rioting. "Haven't environmentalists targeted vandalism at famous works of art before? Mrs x | |||
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"Update at 23:00hrs on Monday 26 August There are only a small number of people left in the vicinity of Carnival. Officers remain in the area to ensure any further incidents can be dealt with. Throughout the day, officers have used their search powers to take weapons off the streets and prevent additional serious violence. Three firearms have been recovered, two at Carnival and one during a vehicle stop in Harrow involving individuals believed to be on their way to the event. As of 22:50hrs there had been five stabbings, two incidents where victims sustained slash wounds and one incident involving a corrosive substance Two of those who were stabbed are in a life threatening condition. The 32-year- old woman stabbed on Sunday also remains in a life threatening condition. There were 35 officers injured . They are receiving our full support. As of 22:45hrs, there had been 230 arrests. The breakdown of offences for Monday's arrests so far is as follows: 49 x possession of an offensive weapon 8 x sexual offences 15 x other violence 2 x vehicle crime 11 x possession with intent to supply drugs 40 x possession of class B drugs 6 x possession of drugs (other) 3 x other theft offences 22 x other offences 37 x assault on an emergencyworker 9 x violence with injury 1 x possession of a firearm 1 x harassment 9 x possession of class A drugs 4 x possession of nitrous oxide 2 x theft from a person 11 x public order offences Will Starmer be demanding stiff jail sentences or do we have dual sentencing in play? I'm sure they will be before the beak and 3 year sentence by dinnertime and labelled right wing
Imagine if they were participating in planning a peaceful environmental protest. Banged up for five years.
Two tier policing.
Weak point. Not the same thing.
And I don’t accept that the actions of the eco-terrorists are “peaceful”, deliberately disrupting the country’s infrastructure.
Yeah, planning a non-violent environmental protest is definitely much more severe crime than race hate rioting. Haven't environmentalists targeted vandalism at famous works of art before?
Mrs x"Sure. But I'm talking specifically about comparing the guy who got five years for planning a non-violent environmental protest, Vs the violent racist rioters. People who support the second group, seem to think their is a two tier justice system that unfairly labels and unfairly targets violent racists. I'm merely reminding them that harsher sentences get given for non-racist, non-violent crime, if it potentially endangers £££ | |||
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"Update at 23:00hrs on Monday 26 August There are only a small number of people left in the vicinity of Carnival. Officers remain in the area to ensure any further incidents can be dealt with. Throughout the day, officers have used their search powers to take weapons off the streets and prevent additional serious violence. Three firearms have been recovered, two at Carnival and one during a vehicle stop in Harrow involving individuals believed to be on their way to the event. As of 22:50hrs there had been five stabbings, two incidents where victims sustained slash wounds and one incident involving a corrosive substance Two of those who were stabbed are in a life threatening condition. The 32-year- old woman stabbed on Sunday also remains in a life threatening condition. There were 35 officers injured . They are receiving our full support. As of 22:45hrs, there had been 230 arrests. The breakdown of offences for Monday's arrests so far is as follows: 49 x possession of an offensive weapon 8 x sexual offences 15 x other violence 2 x vehicle crime 11 x possession with intent to supply drugs 40 x possession of class B drugs 6 x possession of drugs (other) 3 x other theft offences 22 x other offences 37 x assault on an emergencyworker 9 x violence with injury 1 x possession of a firearm 1 x harassment 9 x possession of class A drugs 4 x possession of nitrous oxide 2 x theft from a person 11 x public order offences Will Starmer be demanding stiff jail sentences or do we have dual sentencing in play? I'm sure they will be before the beak and 3 year sentence by dinnertime and labelled right wing
Imagine if they were participating in planning a peaceful environmental protest. Banged up for five years.
Two tier policing.
Weak point. Not the same thing.
And I don’t accept that the actions of the eco-terrorists are “peaceful”, deliberately disrupting the country’s infrastructure.
Yeah, planning a non-violent environmental protest is definitely much more severe crime than race hate rioting. Haven't environmentalists targeted vandalism at famous works of art before?
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Sure. But I'm talking specifically about comparing the guy who got five years for planning a non-violent environmental protest, Vs the violent racist rioters.
People who support the second group, seem to think their is a two tier justice system that unfairly labels and unfairly targets violent racists. I'm merely reminding them that harsher sentences get given for non-racist, non-violent crime, if it potentially endangers £££"Crimes against capital are the real serious offences. | |||
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"Haven't environmentalists targeted vandalism at famous works of art before? Mrs x" It's not violence if certain groups of people do so. I would say blocking traffic is also violence. | |||
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"Update at 23:00hrs on Monday 26 August There are only a small number of people left in the vicinity of Carnival. Officers remain in the area to ensure any further incidents can be dealt with. Throughout the day, officers have used their search powers to take weapons off the streets and prevent additional serious violence. Three firearms have been recovered, two at Carnival and one during a vehicle stop in Harrow involving individuals believed to be on their way to the event. As of 22:50hrs there had been five stabbings, two incidents where victims sustained slash wounds and one incident involving a corrosive substance Two of those who were stabbed are in a life threatening condition. The 32-year- old woman stabbed on Sunday also remains in a life threatening condition. There were 35 officers injured . They are receiving our full support. As of 22:45hrs, there had been 230 arrests. The breakdown of offences for Monday's arrests so far is as follows: 49 x possession of an offensive weapon 8 x sexual offences 15 x other violence 2 x vehicle crime 11 x possession with intent to supply drugs 40 x possession of class B drugs 6 x possession of drugs (other) 3 x other theft offences 22 x other offences 37 x assault on an emergencyworker 9 x violence with injury 1 x possession of a firearm 1 x harassment 9 x possession of class A drugs 4 x possession of nitrous oxide 2 x theft from a person 11 x public order offences Will Starmer be demanding stiff jail sentences or do we have dual sentencing in play? I'm sure they will be before the beak and 3 year sentence by dinnertime and labelled right wing
Imagine if they were participating in planning a peaceful environmental protest. Banged up for five years.
Two tier policing.
Weak point. Not the same thing.
And I don’t accept that the actions of the eco-terrorists are “peaceful”, deliberately disrupting the country’s infrastructure.
Yeah, planning a non-violent environmental protest is definitely much more severe crime than race hate rioting. "Show me where I said that! You’re all over the place, mate. Keep introducing new topics and making strange comparisons. Maybe stick to the topic rather than dragging every discussion back to your favourite hobby horse. Notting Hill carnival. | |||
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" Yeah, planning a non-violent environmental protest is definitely much more severe crime than race hate rioting.
I don't think stopping traffic can be considered non-violent."Neither do I. Violence doesn’t just mean throw a brick or punching someone. And being “non-violent” doesn’t lessen the crime. | |||
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"Update at 23:00hrs on Monday 26 August There are only a small number of people left in the vicinity of Carnival. Officers remain in the area to ensure any further incidents can be dealt with. Throughout the day, officers have used their search powers to take weapons off the streets and prevent additional serious violence. Three firearms have been recovered, two at Carnival and one during a vehicle stop in Harrow involving individuals believed to be on their way to the event. As of 22:50hrs there had been five stabbings, two incidents where victims sustained slash wounds and one incident involving a corrosive substance Two of those who were stabbed are in a life threatening condition. The 32-year- old woman stabbed on Sunday also remains in a life threatening condition. There were 35 officers injured . They are receiving our full support. As of 22:45hrs, there had been 230 arrests. The breakdown of offences for Monday's arrests so far is as follows: 49 x possession of an offensive weapon 8 x sexual offences 15 x other violence 2 x vehicle crime 11 x possession with intent to supply drugs 40 x possession of class B drugs 6 x possession of drugs (other) 3 x other theft offences 22 x other offences 37 x assault on an emergencyworker 9 x violence with injury 1 x possession of a firearm 1 x harassment 9 x possession of class A drugs 4 x possession of nitrous oxide 2 x theft from a person 11 x public order offences Will Starmer be demanding stiff jail sentences or do we have dual sentencing in play? I'm sure they will be before the beak and 3 year sentence by dinnertime and labelled right wing
Imagine if they were participating in planning a peaceful environmental protest. Banged up for five years.
Two tier policing.
Weak point. Not the same thing.
And I don’t accept that the actions of the eco-terrorists are “peaceful”, deliberately disrupting the country’s infrastructure.
Yeah, planning a non-violent environmental protest is definitely much more severe crime than race hate rioting.
Show me where I said that!
"You didn't. I said that. " You’re all over the place, mate. Keep introducing new topics and making strange comparisons. " Have you mixed me up with someone else? I don't remember replying to you before. " Maybe stick to the topic rather than dragging every discussion back to your favourite hobby horse. Notting Hill carnival. " See above. | |||
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"Update at 23:00hrs on Monday 26 August There are only a small number of people left in the vicinity of Carnival. Officers remain in the area to ensure any further incidents can be dealt with. Throughout the day, officers have used their search powers to take weapons off the streets and prevent additional serious violence. Three firearms have been recovered, two at Carnival and one during a vehicle stop in Harrow involving individuals believed to be on their way to the event. As of 22:50hrs there had been five stabbings, two incidents where victims sustained slash wounds and one incident involving a corrosive substance Two of those who were stabbed are in a life threatening condition. The 32-year- old woman stabbed on Sunday also remains in a life threatening condition. There were 35 officers injured . They are receiving our full support. As of 22:45hrs, there had been 230 arrests. The breakdown of offences for Monday's arrests so far is as follows: 49 x possession of an offensive weapon 8 x sexual offences 15 x other violence 2 x vehicle crime 11 x possession with intent to supply drugs 40 x possession of class B drugs 6 x possession of drugs (other) 3 x other theft offences 22 x other offences 37 x assault on an emergencyworker 9 x violence with injury 1 x possession of a firearm 1 x harassment 9 x possession of class A drugs 4 x possession of nitrous oxide 2 x theft from a person 11 x public order offences Will Starmer be demanding stiff jail sentences or do we have dual sentencing in play? I'm sure they will be before the beak and 3 year sentence by dinnertime and labelled right wing
Imagine if they were participating in planning a peaceful environmental protest. Banged up for five years.
Two tier policing.
Weak point. Not the same thing.
And I don’t accept that the actions of the eco-terrorists are “peaceful”, deliberately disrupting the country’s infrastructure.
Yeah, planning a non-violent environmental protest is definitely much more severe crime than race hate rioting. Haven't environmentalists targeted vandalism at famous works of art before?
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"Update at 23:00hrs on Monday 26 August There are only a small number of people left in the vicinity of Carnival. Officers remain in the area to ensure any further incidents can be dealt with. Throughout the day, officers have used their search powers to take weapons off the streets and prevent additional serious violence. Three firearms have been recovered, two at Carnival and one during a vehicle stop in Harrow involving individuals believed to be on their way to the event. As of 22:50hrs there had been five stabbings, two incidents where victims sustained slash wounds and one incident involving a corrosive substance Two of those who were stabbed are in a life threatening condition. The 32-year- old woman stabbed on Sunday also remains in a life threatening condition. There were 35 officers injured . They are receiving our full support. As of 22:45hrs, there had been 230 arrests. The breakdown of offences for Monday's arrests so far is as follows: 49 x possession of an offensive weapon 8 x sexual offences 15 x other violence 2 x vehicle crime 11 x possession with intent to supply drugs 40 x possession of class B drugs 6 x possession of drugs (other) 3 x other theft offences 22 x other offences 37 x assault on an emergencyworker 9 x violence with injury 1 x possession of a firearm 1 x harassment 9 x possession of class A drugs 4 x possession of nitrous oxide 2 x theft from a person 11 x public order offences Will Starmer be demanding stiff jail sentences or do we have dual sentencing in play? I'm sure they will be before the beak and 3 year sentence by dinnertime and labelled right wing
Imagine if they were participating in planning a peaceful environmental protest. Banged up for five years.
Two tier policing.
Weak point. Not the same thing.
And I don’t accept that the actions of the eco-terrorists are “peaceful”, deliberately disrupting the country’s infrastructure.
Yeah, planning a non-violent environmental protest is definitely much more severe crime than race hate rioting.
Show me where I said that!
You didn't. I said that.
You’re all over the place, mate. Keep introducing new topics and making strange comparisons.
Have you mixed me up with someone else? I don't remember replying to you before.
Maybe stick to the topic rather than dragging every discussion back to your favourite hobby horse.
Notting Hill carnival.
See above. "Did I say you were introducing off topic subjects in reply to me? No. But it’s a regular posting theme of yours, to drag eco protestors into other discussions. Let’s get back to discussing the carnival | |||
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"Geek alert… Given that policing is paid by taxes, and additional taxes raised during the festival make it value for money, I’ll address the crime part… Assuming 2million people attended, and that there were 8 recorded stabbings over the 3days: the festival is less than the national average of stabbing per million per day. Population: 65million Reported stabbings per year 55,000 = 3.25 per million / per day. Which means the national avg would be 9.75 over the 3 day festival, making it actually safer than not being at the festival 😊 (All numbers exclude Devon & Cornwall as for some reason, the gov data doesn’t included them) Most interesting, see both sides of this, but does this take into account what an economist refers to as 'Opportunity cost' - That's often the 'real cost' since economics essentially is the 'science of the administration of scarce means of production having alternative uses for the satisfaction of human wants'. the key words being 'alternative uses' ? put simply, do we build more Warships or Hospitals - please take this note in the d=firendly, though provoking manner intended " | |||
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"Update at 23:00hrs on Monday 26 August There are only a small number of people left in the vicinity of Carnival. Officers remain in the area to ensure any further incidents can be dealt with. Throughout the day, officers have used their search powers to take weapons off the streets and prevent additional serious violence. Three firearms have been recovered, two at Carnival and one during a vehicle stop in Harrow involving individuals believed to be on their way to the event. As of 22:50hrs there had been five stabbings, two incidents where victims sustained slash wounds and one incident involving a corrosive substance Two of those who were stabbed are in a life threatening condition. The 32-year- old woman stabbed on Sunday also remains in a life threatening condition. There were 35 officers injured . They are receiving our full support. As of 22:45hrs, there had been 230 arrests. The breakdown of offences for Monday's arrests so far is as follows: 49 x possession of an offensive weapon 8 x sexual offences 15 x other violence 2 x vehicle crime 11 x possession with intent to supply drugs 40 x possession of class B drugs 6 x possession of drugs (other) 3 x other theft offences 22 x other offences 37 x assault on an emergencyworker 9 x violence with injury 1 x possession of a firearm 1 x harassment 9 x possession of class A drugs 4 x possession of nitrous oxide 2 x theft from a person 11 x public order offences Will Starmer be demanding stiff jail sentences or do we have dual sentencing in play? I'm sure they will be before the beak and 3 year sentence by dinnertime and labelled right wing
Imagine if they were participating in planning a peaceful environmental protest. Banged up for five years.
Two tier policing.
Weak point. Not the same thing.
And I don’t accept that the actions of the eco-terrorists are “peaceful”, deliberately disrupting the country’s infrastructure.
Yeah, planning a non-violent environmental protest is definitely much more severe crime than race hate rioting.
Show me where I said that!
You didn't. I said that.
You’re all over the place, mate. Keep introducing new topics and making strange comparisons.
Have you mixed me up with someone else? I don't remember replying to you before.
Maybe stick to the topic rather than dragging every discussion back to your favourite hobby horse.
Notting Hill carnival.
See above.
Did I say you were introducing off topic subjects in reply to me? No.
"Ah I got you, other people can introduce off topic subjects, but I am not allowed to reply to them, but you can? Got it. " But it’s a regular posting theme of yours, to drag eco protestors into other discussions. " I actually explained in a previous post why I did. Still, I see this is some kind of weird personal beef you're bringing in from previous threads. Is that allowed for all of us, or just you, just trying to clarify your rules. " Let’s get back to discussing the carnival " Yes, crack on. | |||
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"Geek alert… Given that policing is paid by taxes, and additional taxes raised during the festival make it value for money, I’ll address the crime part… Assuming 2million people attended, and that there were 8 recorded stabbings over the 3days: the festival is less than the national average of stabbing per million per day. Population: 65million Reported stabbings per year 55,000 = 3.25 per million / per day. Which means the national avg would be 9.75 over the 3 day festival, making it actually safer than not being at the festival 😊 (All numbers exclude Devon & Cornwall as for some reason, the gov data doesn’t included them) Most interesting, see both sides of this, but does this take into account what an economist refers to as 'Opportunity cost' - That's often the 'real cost' since economics essentially is the 'science of the administration of scarce means of production having alternative uses for the satisfaction of human wants'. the key words being 'alternative uses' ? put simply, do we build more Warships or Hospitals - please take this note in the d=firendly, though provoking manner intended *Friendly " | |||
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"I never use to go to carnival on the Sunday anyway….that’s children and families day Monday was the one for the big kids…
Anyway the misconception of the carnival is that you follow the whole route round.. oh god no! Most people fall into 1 of two groups
1) you walk till you find a spot on the main route… you park your arse there and you watch all the floats go by!
2) you walk till you find a good sound system playing your type of music …. You park your arse there and you listen and dance to the music!
You tend to know what parts to avoid if you are smart
Why would you need to avoid certain areas? Surely the police know about these areas?
Of course the police know where the bigger groups of people are likely to be…
You don’t need to avoid any part but you can be smart… you sound like a person who has never been to Notting Hill
but for example back in the day you know where the “radio 1” event is taking place on the route (underneath the westway) , you knew where the kiss fm soundstage was ( nearer to the Notting Hill end), you knew exactly where certain pirate radio station systems were ( just by Westbourne Park station a little bit off the main parade route)
They hand out maps of the parade route, they tell you even as pedestrians which streets you can cut through to get from a to b
“You tend to know which parts to avoid if you’re smart”
“You don’t need to avoid any parts”.
I’m confused. Are there areas that need to be avoided or not? And why do they need to be avoided? "------------------------ Common sense normally influences personal behaviour where you place yourself amongst any very large group of people. | |||
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"You would of thought an example would of been made, as in committing crime at this event and your be punished, especially at a family event? Will they be processed the next day?" --------------------- Have you previously shared your indignation about two tier policing policies which have disproportionately affected black people for decades? | |||
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"An ex-inspector has claimed that Notting Hill Carnival is 'the ultimate in two-tier policing' as more than a million people are set to descend on west London to enjoy the festivities. Notting Hill is one of the longest-running street parties in the UK and celebrates Caribbean culture with vividly costumed performers taking part in a parade through the streets with dancing and music. But carnivals in the past have also been marred by violence. There were eight stabbings and 275 arrests at the 2023 event and 7,000 Met Police officers are set to be deployed onto the streets of Kensington. Despite the high number of arrests and heavy police presence, a retired Met Police detective chief inspector has alleged that officers are hesitant to make arrests during the event for fears of being called racist. Mike Neville spoke to the Daily Telegraph where he leaned into the growing conspiracy theory that two-tier policing exists in Britain. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13777675/met-police-notting-hill-carnival-riots-london.html#comments 8 stabbings and 275 arrests, if it was a n annual football game, would it get the same treatment? plus the costs and 7000 officers being dragged from other areas ... makes you think?" It's the scumbags carrying and using knives and guns that need stopping. Question is how do you do it? | |||
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"An ex-inspector has claimed that Notting Hill Carnival is 'the ultimate in two-tier policing' as more than a million people are set to descend on west London to enjoy the festivities. Notting Hill is one of the longest-running street parties in the UK and celebrates Caribbean culture with vividly costumed performers taking part in a parade through the streets with dancing and music. But carnivals in the past have also been marred by violence. There were eight stabbings and 275 arrests at the 2023 event and 7,000 Met Police officers are set to be deployed onto the streets of Kensington. Despite the high number of arrests and heavy police presence, a retired Met Police detective chief inspector has alleged that officers are hesitant to make arrests during the event for fears of being called racist. Mike Neville spoke to the Daily Telegraph where he leaned into the growing conspiracy theory that two-tier policing exists in Britain. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13777675/met-police-notting-hill-carnival-riots-london.html#comments 8 stabbings and 275 arrests, if it was a n annual football game, would it get the same treatment? plus the costs and 7000 officers being dragged from other areas ... makes you think?" 100% stop it cost taxpayers 11 million per year. If it was a white culture event it would be seen as Far Right and banned. But little Keira party get on their knees for the black man. | |||
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"An ex-inspector has claimed that Notting Hill Carnival is 'the ultimate in two-tier policing' as more than a million people are set to descend on west London to enjoy the festivities. Notting Hill is one of the longest-running street parties in the UK and celebrates Caribbean culture with vividly costumed performers taking part in a parade through the streets with dancing and music. But carnivals in the past have also been marred by violence. There were eight stabbings and 275 arrests at the 2023 event and 7,000 Met Police officers are set to be deployed onto the streets of Kensington. Despite the high number of arrests and heavy police presence, a retired Met Police detective chief inspector has alleged that officers are hesitant to make arrests during the event for fears of being called racist. Mike Neville spoke to the Daily Telegraph where he leaned into the growing conspiracy theory that two-tier policing exists in Britain. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13777675/met-police-notting-hill-carnival-riots-london.html#comments 8 stabbings and 275 arrests, if it was a n annual football game, would it get the same treatment? plus the costs and 7000 officers being dragged from other areas ... makes you think?" 100% stop it cost taxpayers 11 million per year. If it was a white culture event it would be seen as Far Right and banned. But little Keir’s party get on their knees for the black man. | |||
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" 100% stop it cost taxpayers 11 million per year. If it was a white culture event it would be seen as Far Right and banned. But little Keira party get on their knees for the black man. " ------------------------------------------------------------- Oh dear, you're sounding quite insecure in your status. Have you ever attended the carnival? If so you'll know it's a celebration of inclusive multiculturalism, which hundreds of thousands of people from all communities attend. Ps black people pay tax too, as it appears important to you. | |||
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" 100% stop it cost taxpayers 11 million per year. If it was a white culture event it would be seen as Far Right and banned. But little Keira party get on their knees for the black man. ------------------------------------------------------------- Oh dear, you're sounding quite insecure in your status. Have you ever attended the carnival? If so you'll know it's a celebration of inclusive multiculturalism, which hundreds of thousands of people from all communities attend. Ps black people pay tax too, as it appears important to you." Insecure ?? Please explain? | |||
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" 100% stop it cost taxpayers 11 million per year. If it was a white culture event it would be seen as Far Right and banned. But little Keira party get on their knees for the black man. ------------------------------------------------------------- Oh dear, you're sounding quite insecure in your status. Have you ever attended the carnival? If so you'll know it's a celebration of inclusive multiculturalism, which hundreds of thousands of people from all communities attend. Ps black people pay tax too, as it appears important to you." And I’m not the one making blatant statements then blocking people. Who seem the insecure one! | |||
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"Update at 23:00hrs on Monday 26 August There are only a small number of people left in the vicinity of Carnival. Officers remain in the area to ensure any further incidents can be dealt with. Throughout the day, officers have used their search powers to take weapons off the streets and prevent additional serious violence. Three firearms have been recovered, two at Carnival and one during a vehicle stop in Harrow involving individuals believed to be on their way to the event. As of 22:50hrs there had been five stabbings, two incidents where victims sustained slash wounds and one incident involving a corrosive substance Two of those who were stabbed are in a life threatening condition. The 32-year- old woman stabbed on Sunday also remains in a life threatening condition. There were 35 officers injured . They are receiving our full support. As of 22:45hrs, there had been 230 arrests. The breakdown of offences for Monday's arrests so far is as follows: 49 x possession of an offensive weapon 8 x sexual offences 15 x other violence 2 x vehicle crime 11 x possession with intent to supply drugs 40 x possession of class B drugs 6 x possession of drugs (other) 3 x other theft offences 22 x other offences 37 x assault on an emergencyworker 9 x violence with injury 1 x possession of a firearm 1 x harassment 9 x possession of class A drugs 4 x possession of nitrous oxide 2 x theft from a person 11 x public order offences Will Starmer be demanding stiff jail sentences or do we have dual sentencing in play? I'm sure they will be before the beak and 3 year sentence by dinnertime and labelled right wing
Imagine if they were participating in planning a peaceful environmental protest. Banged up for five years.
Two tier policing.
Weak point. Not the same thing.
And I don’t accept that the actions of the eco-terrorists are “peaceful”, deliberately disrupting the country’s infrastructure.
Yeah, planning a non-violent environmental protest is definitely much more severe crime than race hate rioting. Haven't environmentalists targeted vandalism at famous works of art before?
Mrs x
Sure. But I'm talking specifically about comparing the guy who got five years for planning a non-violent environmental protest, Vs the violent racist rioters.
People who support the second group, seem to think their is a two tier justice system that unfairly labels and unfairly targets violent racists. I'm merely reminding them that harsher sentences get given for non-racist, non-violent crime, if it potentially endangers £££"The prison sentences were as a result of the repeated breaking of Court injunctions. Or Contempt of Court, but then you already knew that and chose to pedal the false narrative. | |||
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"Three of the Notting Hill stabbers in Court this morning for other offences in addition to the stabbing of a woman." Yes they were celebrating inclusive multiculturalism according to some. | |||
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"Don't forget, diversity is our strength " Import the third world you turn into the third word. Barbarism. | |||
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"Don't forget, diversity is our strength " and there’s ppl who actually believe that lol | |||
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"Three of the Notting Hill stabbers in Court this morning for other offences in addition to the stabbing of a woman. Yes they were celebrating inclusive multiculturalism according to some. " -------------------------- Ahh, I see what you did there conflating the activities of criminals with the general theme of a community event. Did you extrapolate similar logic to associate the thousands of law abiding people attending Armistice Day in London with the riotous behaviour of some right wing activists? | |||
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"Don't forget, diversity is our strength and there’s ppl who actually believe that lol" ----------------------------------------------- Well since the British Isles population is descended from immigrants who started arriving here thousands of years ago that's patently true. | |||
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"Update at 23:00hrs on Monday 26 August There are only a small number of people left in the vicinity of Carnival. Officers remain in the area to ensure any further incidents can be dealt with. Throughout the day, officers have used their search powers to take weapons off the streets and prevent additional serious violence. Three firearms have been recovered, two at Carnival and one during a vehicle stop in Harrow involving individuals believed to be on their way to the event. As of 22:50hrs there had been five stabbings, two incidents where victims sustained slash wounds and one incident involving a corrosive substance Two of those who were stabbed are in a life threatening condition. The 32-year- old woman stabbed on Sunday also remains in a life threatening condition. There were 35 officers injured . They are receiving our full support. As of 22:45hrs, there had been 230 arrests. The breakdown of offences for Monday's arrests so far is as follows: 49 x possession of an offensive weapon 8 x sexual offences 15 x other violence 2 x vehicle crime 11 x possession with intent to supply drugs 40 x possession of class B drugs 6 x possession of drugs (other) 3 x other theft offences 22 x other offences 37 x assault on an emergencyworker 9 x violence with injury 1 x possession of a firearm 1 x harassment 9 x possession of class A drugs 4 x possession of nitrous oxide 2 x theft from a person 11 x public order offences Will Starmer be demanding stiff jail sentences or do we have dual sentencing in play? I'm sure they will be before the beak and 3 year sentence by dinnertime and labelled right wing
Imagine if they were participating in planning a peaceful environmental protest. Banged up for five years.
Two tier policing.
Weak point. Not the same thing.
And I don’t accept that the actions of the eco-terrorists are “peaceful”, deliberately disrupting the country’s infrastructure.
Yeah, planning a non-violent environmental protest is definitely much more severe crime than race hate rioting. Haven't environmentalists targeted vandalism at famous works of art before?
Mrs x
Sure. But I'm talking specifically about comparing the guy who got five years for planning a non-violent environmental protest, Vs the violent racist rioters.
People who support the second group, seem to think their is a two tier justice system that unfairly labels and unfairly targets violent racists. I'm merely reminding them that harsher sentences get given for non-racist, non-violent crime, if it potentially endangers £££
The prison sentences were as a result of the repeated breaking of Court injunctions. Or Contempt of Court, but then you already knew that and chose to pedal the false narrative."
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" 100% stop it cost taxpayers 11 million per year. If it was a white culture event it would be seen as Far Right and banned. But little Keira party get on their knees for the black man. ------------------------------------------------------------- Oh dear, you're sounding quite insecure in your status. Have you ever attended the carnival? If so you'll know it's a celebration of inclusive multiculturalism, which hundreds of thousands of people from all communities attend. Ps black people pay tax too, as it appears important to you. And I’m not the one making blatant statements then blocking people. Who seem the insecure one!" ----------------------------------------- I wouldn't have blocked you if your profile hadn't been hidden. | |||
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"An ex-inspector has claimed that Notting Hill Carnival is 'the ultimate in two-tier policing' as more than a million people are set to descend on west London to enjoy the festivities. Notting Hill is one of the longest-running street parties in the UK and celebrates Caribbean culture with vividly costumed performers taking part in a parade through the streets with dancing and music. But carnivals in the past have also been marred by violence. There were eight stabbings and 275 arrests at the 2023 event and 7,000 Met Police officers are set to be deployed onto the streets of Kensington. Despite the high number of arrests and heavy police presence, a retired Met Police detective chief inspector has alleged that officers are hesitant to make arrests during the event for fears of being called racist. Mike Neville spoke to the Daily Telegraph where he leaned into the growing conspiracy theory that two-tier policing exists in Britain. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13777675/met-police-notting-hill-carnival-riots-london.html#comments 8 stabbings and 275 arrests, if it was a n annual football game, would it get the same treatment? plus the costs and 7000 officers being dragged from other areas ... makes you think? 100% stop it cost taxpayers 11 million per year. If it was a white culture event it would be seen as Far Right and banned. But little Keir’s party get on their knees for the black man. " Sometimes it feels like there's a competition to say the most ridiculous thing, and pass it off as a serious comment. | |||
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" 100% stop it cost taxpayers 11 million per year. If it was a white culture event it would be seen as Far Right and banned. But little Keira party get on their knees for the black man. ------------------------------------------------------------- Oh dear, you're sounding quite insecure in your status. Have you ever attended the carnival? If so you'll know it's a celebration of inclusive multiculturalism, which hundreds of thousands of people from all communities attend. Ps black people pay tax too, as it appears important to you. Insecure ?? Please explain?" ---------------------------------- Well clearly your limited experiences have given you a perverted view of society and your sense of self. I can't think of any 'white cultural events' that have been banned, nor would I describe the Carnival as a black one, white folks go and are welcomed too, you should try it, but probably best not to take Tommy with you! | |||
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"Update at 23:00hrs on Monday 26 August There are only a small number of people left in the vicinity of Carnival. Officers remain in the area to ensure any further incidents can be dealt with. Throughout the day, officers have used their search powers to take weapons off the streets and prevent additional serious violence. Three firearms have been recovered, two at Carnival and one during a vehicle stop in Harrow involving individuals believed to be on their way to the event. As of 22:50hrs there had been five stabbings, two incidents where victims sustained slash wounds and one incident involving a corrosive substance Two of those who were stabbed are in a life threatening condition. The 32-year- old woman stabbed on Sunday also remains in a life threatening condition. There were 35 officers injured . They are receiving our full support. As of 22:45hrs, there had been 230 arrests. The breakdown of offences for Monday's arrests so far is as follows: 49 x possession of an offensive weapon 8 x sexual offences 15 x other violence 2 x vehicle crime 11 x possession with intent to supply drugs 40 x possession of class B drugs 6 x possession of drugs (other) 3 x other theft offences 22 x other offences 37 x assault on an emergencyworker 9 x violence with injury 1 x possession of a firearm 1 x harassment 9 x possession of class A drugs 4 x possession of nitrous oxide 2 x theft from a person 11 x public order offences Will Starmer be demanding stiff jail sentences or do we have dual sentencing in play? I'm sure they will be before the beak and 3 year sentence by dinnertime and labelled right wing
Imagine if they were participating in planning a peaceful environmental protest. Banged up for five years.
Two tier policing.
Weak point. Not the same thing.
And I don’t accept that the actions of the eco-terrorists are “peaceful”, deliberately disrupting the country’s infrastructure.
Yeah, planning a non-violent environmental protest is definitely much more severe crime than race hate rioting. Haven't environmentalists targeted vandalism at famous works of art before?
Mrs x
Sure. But I'm talking specifically about comparing the guy who got five years for planning a non-violent environmental protest, Vs the violent racist rioters.
People who support the second group, seem to think their is a two tier justice system that unfairly labels and unfairly targets violent racists. I'm merely reminding them that harsher sentences get given for non-racist, non-violent crime, if it potentially endangers £££
The prison sentences were as a result of the repeated breaking of Court injunctions. Or Contempt of Court, but then you already knew that and chose to pedal the false narrative.
Breaking court injunctions sounds way worse than rampaging rioting race hate enthusiasts."yes that’s the lefts label but forget about the ppl who where there to protest tar them all with the same brush looks better in the mainstream media | |||
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"Update at 23:00hrs on Monday 26 August There are only a small number of people left in the vicinity of Carnival. Officers remain in the area to ensure any further incidents can be dealt with. Throughout the day, officers have used their search powers to take weapons off the streets and prevent additional serious violence. Three firearms have been recovered, two at Carnival and one during a vehicle stop in Harrow involving individuals believed to be on their way to the event. As of 22:50hrs there had been five stabbings, two incidents where victims sustained slash wounds and one incident involving a corrosive substance Two of those who were stabbed are in a life threatening condition. The 32-year- old woman stabbed on Sunday also remains in a life threatening condition. There were 35 officers injured . They are receiving our full support. As of 22:45hrs, there had been 230 arrests. The breakdown of offences for Monday's arrests so far is as follows: 49 x possession of an offensive weapon 8 x sexual offences 15 x other violence 2 x vehicle crime 11 x possession with intent to supply drugs 40 x possession of class B drugs 6 x possession of drugs (other) 3 x other theft offences 22 x other offences 37 x assault on an emergencyworker 9 x violence with injury 1 x possession of a firearm 1 x harassment 9 x possession of class A drugs 4 x possession of nitrous oxide 2 x theft from a person 11 x public order offences Will Starmer be demanding stiff jail sentences or do we have dual sentencing in play? I'm sure they will be before the beak and 3 year sentence by dinnertime and labelled right wing
Imagine if they were participating in planning a peaceful environmental protest. Banged up for five years.
Two tier policing.
Weak point. Not the same thing.
And I don’t accept that the actions of the eco-terrorists are “peaceful”, deliberately disrupting the country’s infrastructure.
Yeah, planning a non-violent environmental protest is definitely much more severe crime than race hate rioting. Haven't environmentalists targeted vandalism at famous works of art before?
Mrs x
Sure. But I'm talking specifically about comparing the guy who got five years for planning a non-violent environmental protest, Vs the violent racist rioters.
People who support the second group, seem to think their is a two tier justice system that unfairly labels and unfairly targets violent racists. I'm merely reminding them that harsher sentences get given for non-racist, non-violent crime, if it potentially endangers £££
The prison sentences were as a result of the repeated breaking of Court injunctions. Or Contempt of Court, but then you already knew that and chose to pedal the false narrative.
Breaking court injunctions sounds way worse than rampaging rioting race hate enthusiasts.yes that’s the lefts label but forget about the ppl who where there to protest tar them all with the same brush looks better in the mainstream media "If people are participating in violent race hate riots (even if not being violent themselves), they can hardly be upset about being labelled accordingly. | |||
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"Update at 23:00hrs on Monday 26 August There are only a small number of people left in the vicinity of Carnival. Officers remain in the area to ensure any further incidents can be dealt with. Throughout the day, officers have used their search powers to take weapons off the streets and prevent additional serious violence. Three firearms have been recovered, two at Carnival and one during a vehicle stop in Harrow involving individuals believed to be on their way to the event. As of 22:50hrs there had been five stabbings, two incidents where victims sustained slash wounds and one incident involving a corrosive substance Two of those who were stabbed are in a life threatening condition. The 32-year- old woman stabbed on Sunday also remains in a life threatening condition. There were 35 officers injured . They are receiving our full support. As of 22:45hrs, there had been 230 arrests. The breakdown of offences for Monday's arrests so far is as follows: 49 x possession of an offensive weapon 8 x sexual offences 15 x other violence 2 x vehicle crime 11 x possession with intent to supply drugs 40 x possession of class B drugs 6 x possession of drugs (other) 3 x other theft offences 22 x other offences 37 x assault on an emergencyworker 9 x violence with injury 1 x possession of a firearm 1 x harassment 9 x possession of class A drugs 4 x possession of nitrous oxide 2 x theft from a person 11 x public order offences Will Starmer be demanding stiff jail sentences or do we have dual sentencing in play? I'm sure they will be before the beak and 3 year sentence by dinnertime and labelled right wing
Imagine if they were participating in planning a peaceful environmental protest. Banged up for five years.
Two tier policing.
Weak point. Not the same thing.
And I don’t accept that the actions of the eco-terrorists are “peaceful”, deliberately disrupting the country’s infrastructure.
Yeah, planning a non-violent environmental protest is definitely much more severe crime than race hate rioting. Haven't environmentalists targeted vandalism at famous works of art before?
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Sure. But I'm talking specifically about comparing the guy who got five years for planning a non-violent environmental protest, Vs the violent racist rioters.
People who support the second group, seem to think their is a two tier justice system that unfairly labels and unfairly targets violent racists. I'm merely reminding them that harsher sentences get given for non-racist, non-violent crime, if it potentially endangers £££
The prison sentences were as a result of the repeated breaking of Court injunctions. Or Contempt of Court, but then you already knew that and chose to pedal the false narrative.
Breaking court injunctions sounds way worse than rampaging rioting race hate enthusiasts.yes that’s the lefts label but forget about the ppl who where there to protest tar them all with the same brush looks better in the mainstream media
If people are participating in violent race hate riots (even if not being violent themselves), they can hardly be upset about being labelled accordingly."it was a protest that turned violent not other way round but what do you know like you said before you only use mainstream media you haven’t a clue what really goes on working class ppl are fed up if multiculturalism works that well there be no protests burying your head in the sand just makes you blind | |||
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"Don't forget, diversity is our strength Import the third world you turn into the third word. Barbarism. And yet “certain” people look back at the empire and think of it as the golden era…… hmmmmm" It was. But what has that got to do with what is happening in our country today? And if the empire was so bad why did over 50 countries stay connected to britain by voluntarily joining the commonwealth? Couldn't have been that bad. Why did all those countries hold onto parliamentary democracy, human rights,rule of law, English....etc? Guess it wasn't like the Soviet empire where all the countries attached to it couldn't wait to escape from Russian influence. Guess it wasn't like the short lived nazi empire which left nothing but destruction. But you carry on and denigrate Britain and malign past leaders and never once talk us up. | |||
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"Update at 23:00hrs on Monday 26 August There are only a small number of people left in the vicinity of Carnival. Officers remain in the area to ensure any further incidents can be dealt with. Throughout the day, officers have used their search powers to take weapons off the streets and prevent additional serious violence. Three firearms have been recovered, two at Carnival and one during a vehicle stop in Harrow involving individuals believed to be on their way to the event. As of 22:50hrs there had been five stabbings, two incidents where victims sustained slash wounds and one incident involving a corrosive substance Two of those who were stabbed are in a life threatening condition. The 32-year- old woman stabbed on Sunday also remains in a life threatening condition. There were 35 officers injured . They are receiving our full support. As of 22:45hrs, there had been 230 arrests. The breakdown of offences for Monday's arrests so far is as follows: 49 x possession of an offensive weapon 8 x sexual offences 15 x other violence 2 x vehicle crime 11 x possession with intent to supply drugs 40 x possession of class B drugs 6 x possession of drugs (other) 3 x other theft offences 22 x other offences 37 x assault on an emergencyworker 9 x violence with injury 1 x possession of a firearm 1 x harassment 9 x possession of class A drugs 4 x possession of nitrous oxide 2 x theft from a person 11 x public order offences Will Starmer be demanding stiff jail sentences or do we have dual sentencing in play? I'm sure they will be before the beak and 3 year sentence by dinnertime and labelled right wing
Imagine if they were participating in planning a peaceful environmental protest. Banged up for five years.
Two tier policing.
Weak point. Not the same thing.
And I don’t accept that the actions of the eco-terrorists are “peaceful”, deliberately disrupting the country’s infrastructure.
Yeah, planning a non-violent environmental protest is definitely much more severe crime than race hate rioting. Haven't environmentalists targeted vandalism at famous works of art before?
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Sure. But I'm talking specifically about comparing the guy who got five years for planning a non-violent environmental protest, Vs the violent racist rioters.
People who support the second group, seem to think their is a two tier justice system that unfairly labels and unfairly targets violent racists. I'm merely reminding them that harsher sentences get given for non-racist, non-violent crime, if it potentially endangers £££
The prison sentences were as a result of the repeated breaking of Court injunctions. Or Contempt of Court, but then you already knew that and chose to pedal the false narrative.
Breaking court injunctions sounds way worse than rampaging rioting race hate enthusiasts.yes that’s the lefts label but forget about the ppl who where there to protest tar them all with the same brush looks better in the mainstream media
If people are participating in violent race hate riots (even if not being violent themselves), they can hardly be upset about being labelled accordingly.it was a protest that turned violent not other way round
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" 100% stop it cost taxpayers 11 million per year. If it was a white culture event it would be seen as Far Right and banned. But little Keira party get on their knees for the black man. ------------------------------------------------------------- Oh dear, you're sounding quite insecure in your status. Have you ever attended the carnival? If so you'll know it's a celebration of inclusive multiculturalism, which hundreds of thousands of people from all communities attend. Ps black people pay tax too, as it appears important to you. Insecure ?? Please explain? ---------------------------------- Well clearly your limited experiences have given you a perverted view of society and your sense of self. I can't think of any 'white cultural events' that have been banned, nor would I describe the Carnival as a black one, white folks go and are welcomed too, you should try it, but probably best not to take Tommy with you!" Mmmm I can’t think of any other carnival with such high levels for stabbings either. I don’t know anyone called Tommy ? Who are you referring to ? | |||
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"Don't forget, diversity is our strength Import the third world you turn into the third word. Barbarism. And yet “certain” people look back at the empire and think of it as the golden era…… hmmmmm It was. But what has that got to do with what is happening in our country today? And if the empire was so bad why did over 50 countries stay connected to britain by voluntarily joining the commonwealth? Couldn't have been that bad. Why did all those countries hold onto parliamentary democracy, human rights,rule of law, English....etc? Guess it wasn't like the Soviet empire where all the countries attached to it couldn't wait to escape from Russian influence. Guess it wasn't like the short lived nazi empire which left nothing but destruction. But you carry on and denigrate Britain and malign past leaders and never once talk us up." That fact that all these people of all these different shades actually WANT and take pride in representing this country should tell you that they look up and look forward! You are the one that call the 3rd world barbaric… and yet you invited them in on the windrush and various other ships…. Those people took pride in both where they came from, and pride in making this country better!!! Do you think the country would have been better without them? | |||
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"I just find it interesting who is questioning multiculturalism… or why they feel threatened by it Okay when you want let’s say.. a decent curry or Chinese… or sportspeople representing the country… But other than that…. Nah! Curry was invented by the English, nice try though. " Well if it was invented by the English it certainly wasn’t perfected by the English…..
Bit like football…. Bit like rugby….
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"I just find it interesting who is questioning multiculturalism… or why they feel threatened by it Okay when you want let’s say.. a decent curry or Chinese… or sportspeople representing the country… But other than that…. Nah! Curry was invented by the English, nice try though. Well if it was invented by the English it certainly wasn’t perfected by the English…..
Bit like football…. Bit like rugby….
Anyway… question is, why are you so scared/threaten by multiculturalism? "Confusion about where a curry comes from should be enough evidence to blame our problems on multiculturalism and for us all to go out and vote for the Reform party. | |||
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"An ex-inspector has claimed that Notting Hill Carnival is 'the ultimate in two-tier policing' as more than a million people are set to descend on west London to enjoy the festivities. Notting Hill is one of the longest-running street parties in the UK and celebrates Caribbean culture with vividly costumed performers taking part in a parade through the streets with dancing and music. But carnivals in the past have also been marred by violence. There were eight stabbings and 275 arrests at the 2023 event and 7,000 Met Police officers are set to be deployed onto the streets of Kensington. Despite the high number of arrests and heavy police presence, a retired Met Police detective chief inspector has alleged that officers are hesitant to make arrests during the event for fears of being called racist. Mike Neville spoke to the Daily Telegraph where he leaned into the growing conspiracy theory that two-tier policing exists in Britain. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13777675/met-police-notting-hill-carnival-riots-london.html#comments 8 stabbings and 275 arrests, if it was a n annual football game, would it get the same treatment? plus the costs and 7000 officers being dragged from other areas ... makes you think?" No never - it is the best time people who are into black males or part of BMFC, Hope more black males join fab considering their humping capability and stamina that is liked by many here. So no don’t stop it, let it grow, they should do one in Manchester, Leeds and other northern cities too. Love to see them dancing, free living and humping. In fact British government must promote it at the same scale as Brazilian government do for their Rio festival, and name it Great British Humping festival. Trust me, this will attract 5-10 million people from all across the world. Boom time for all sorts of business. | |||
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"I just find it interesting who is questioning multiculturalism… or why they feel threatened by it Okay when you want let’s say.. a decent curry or Chinese… or sportspeople representing the country… But other than that…. Nah! Curry was invented by the English, nice try though. That’s not quite right, is it?" The British and the Portuguese | |||
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"You can never reason with people when they bring up stuff that happened hundreds/thousands of years ago like migrants entering countries to justify things that are happening today ----------------------------- I guess we should ban the study of history then if it has no bearing on society today." Why would you ban the study of history? I said bringing stuff up about people moving about hundreds/thousands of years ago to justify the hundreds of thousands that are flooding into countries that clearly can’t cope with them all coming in | |||
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"I just find it interesting who is questioning multiculturalism… or why they feel threatened by it Okay when you want let’s say.. a decent curry or Chinese… or sportspeople representing the country… But other than that…. Nah! Curry was invented by the English, nice try though. That’s not quite right, is it? The British and the Portuguese" Again, not quite right. | |||
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"You can never reason with people when they bring up stuff that happened hundreds/thousands of years ago like migrants entering countries to justify things that are happening today ----------------------------- I guess we should ban the study of history then if it has no bearing on society today. Why would you ban the study of history? I said bringing stuff up about people moving about hundreds/thousands of years ago to justify the hundreds of thousands that are flooding into countries that clearly can’t cope with them all coming in" Ah, you're confusing the context that's being added with justification. | |||
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"I just find it interesting who is questioning multiculturalism… or why they feel threatened by it Okay when you want let’s say.. a decent curry or Chinese… or sportspeople representing the country… But other than that…. Nah! Curry was invented by the English, nice try though. That’s not quite right, is it? The British and the Portuguese Again, not quite right." "Curry is believed to have originated in the Indian subcontinent, or South Asia, as early as 2500 BCE in what is now Pakistan. The word "curry" comes from the Tamil word kari, which means "sauce" or "gravy", and the dish is made up of a sauce or gravy seasoned with ground spices like coriander, turmeric, cumin, and red chili. Other influences on curry include the Indus Valley Civilization, which used a mortar and pestle to blend spices like cumin, fennel, and tamarind pods, and the Mughal Empire, which influenced certain types of curry in the 15th century. " Still, I think we can all agree, the curry confusion is conclusive proof that multiculturalism doesn't work. | |||
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"I just find it interesting who is questioning multiculturalism… or why they feel threatened by it Okay when you want let’s say.. a decent curry or Chinese… or sportspeople representing the country… But other than that…. Nah! Curry was invented by the English, nice try though. That’s not quite right, is it? The British and the Portuguese Again, not quite right. "Curry is believed to have originated in the Indian subcontinent, or South Asia, as early as 2500 BCE in what is now Pakistan. The word "curry" comes from the Tamil word kari, which means "sauce" or "gravy", and the dish is made up of a sauce or gravy seasoned with ground spices like coriander, turmeric, cumin, and red chili. Other influences on curry include the Indus Valley Civilization, which used a mortar and pestle to blend spices like cumin, fennel, and tamarind pods, and the Mughal Empire, which influenced certain types of curry in the 15th century. " Still, I think we can all agree, the curry confusion is conclusive proof that multiculturalism doesn't work. " To be fair, the British did group a few Indian dishes that they liked together and call them ‘curry.’ I mean in colonial terms that’s definitely ’inventing’ curry | |||
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"Don't forget, diversity is our strength and there’s ppl who actually believe that lol ----------------------------------------------- Well since the British Isles population is descended from immigrants who started arriving here thousands of years ago that's patently true. Yes but we're living in 2024 You are right… I must have missed those multicultural Welsh rugby and football teams you probably cheer for…. Or is it only the pure celts you like
Someone feels threatened. "Not at all… even if it was just at university level I am proud to have competed for GB, even if it meant the likes of you not cheering on the likes of me…. Heck I will have a conversation even with those that I may disagree with on most things, better the devil I know
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"Don't forget, diversity is our strength and there’s ppl who actually believe that lol ----------------------------------------------- Well since the British Isles population is descended from immigrants who started arriving here thousands of years ago that's patently true. Yes but we're living in 2024 You are right… I must have missed those multicultural Welsh rugby and football teams you probably cheer for…. Or is it only the pure celts you like
Someone feels threatened.
Not at all… even if it was just at university level I am proud to have competed for GB, even if it meant the likes of you not cheering on the likes of me….
Heck I will have a conversation even with those that I may disagree with on most things, better the devil I know
The question remains why you think multiculturalism doesn’t work? I am genuinely curious whether it’s a nuanced argument or whether it is as basic as “races should not mix”"Yeah I'm not getting involved in that race baiting shite Good luck | |||
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Someone feels threatened.
Not at all… even if it was just at university level I am proud to have competed for GB, even if it meant the likes of you not cheering on the likes of me….
Heck I will have a conversation even with those that I may disagree with on most things, better the devil I know
The question remains why you think multiculturalism doesn’t work? I am genuinely curious whether it’s a nuanced argument or whether it is as basic as “races should not mix”"do you think all cultures have worked in the U.K. and if so why are we talking about it most countries in Europe are having the same problems as us | |||
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Someone feels threatened.
Not at all… even if it was just at university level I am proud to have competed for GB, even if it meant the likes of you not cheering on the likes of me….
Heck I will have a conversation even with those that I may disagree with on most things, better the devil I know
The question remains why you think multiculturalism doesn’t work? I am genuinely curious whether it’s a nuanced argument or whether it is as basic as “races should not mix”
Yeah I'm not getting involved in that race baiting shite
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Someone feels threatened.
Not at all… even if it was just at university level I am proud to have competed for GB, even if it meant the likes of you not cheering on the likes of me….
Heck I will have a conversation even with those that I may disagree with on most things, better the devil I know
The question remains why you think multiculturalism doesn’t work? I am genuinely curious whether it’s a nuanced argument or whether it is as basic as “races should not mix”
Yeah I'm not getting involved in that race baiting shite
Good luck
So let’s have a conversation….
Why don’t you think multiculturalism doesn’t work
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"do you think all cultures have worked in the U.K. and if so why are we talking about it most countries in Europe are having the same problems as us " I think the stories we hear are very much more the exception rather than the rule…. And are sensationalised It’s a bit like using the story like the incident in Southport to suit a different narrative as in immigration | |||
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"do you think all cultures have worked in the U.K. and if so why are we talking about it most countries in Europe are having the same problems as us I think the stories we hear are very much more the exception rather than the rule…. And are sensationalised It’s a bit like using the story like the incident in Southport to suit a different narrative as in immigration " ok the stories are sensationalised i think there numbed down by mainstream media but why then is it only the one culture we here these stories about look at France Belgium Germany Sweden and many more why are these having the same problems some even more than the U.K. | |||
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"Don't forget, diversity is our strength and there’s ppl who actually believe that lol ----------------------------------------------- Well since the British Isles population is descended from immigrants who started arriving here thousands of years ago that's patently true. Yes but we're living in 2024 You are right… I must have missed those multicultural Welsh rugby and football teams you probably cheer for…. Or is it only the pure celts you like
Someone feels threatened.
Not at all… even if it was just at university level I am proud to have competed for GB, even if it meant the likes of you not cheering on the likes of me….
Heck I will have a conversation even with those that I may disagree with on most things, better the devil I know
The question remains why you think multiculturalism doesn’t work? I am genuinely curious whether it’s a nuanced argument or whether it is as basic as “races should not mix”
Yeah I'm not getting involved in that race baiting shite
Good luck
So let’s have a conversation….
Why don’t you think multiculturalism doesn’t work
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"Don't forget, diversity is our strength and there’s ppl who actually believe that lol ----------------------------------------------- Well since the British Isles population is descended from immigrants who started arriving here thousands of years ago that's patently true. Yes but we're living in 2024 You are right… I must have missed those multicultural Welsh rugby and football teams you probably cheer for…. Or is it only the pure celts you like
Someone feels threatened.
Not at all… even if it was just at university level I am proud to have competed for GB, even if it meant the likes of you not cheering on the likes of me….
Heck I will have a conversation even with those that I may disagree with on most things, better the devil I know
The question remains why you think multiculturalism doesn’t work? I am genuinely curious whether it’s a nuanced argument or whether it is as basic as “races should not mix”
Yeah I'm not getting involved in that race baiting shite
Good luck
So let’s have a conversation….
Why don’t you think multiculturalism doesn’t work
it does work for most cultures but not all
I agree here. Works for everyone except for the culture of bigotry and racism. Everyone else cracks on just fine. "do why are we having problems then like most of Europe where as it actually worked with a certain culture and why and how ? You say it’s worked everywhere so answer it can’t be thst hard or you want to keep calling bigots and racists | |||
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"Don't forget, diversity is our strength and there’s ppl who actually believe that lol ----------------------------------------------- Well since the British Isles population is descended from immigrants who started arriving here thousands of years ago that's patently true. Yes but we're living in 2024 You are right… I must have missed those multicultural Welsh rugby and football teams you probably cheer for…. Or is it only the pure celts you like
Someone feels threatened.
Not at all… even if it was just at university level I am proud to have competed for GB, even if it meant the likes of you not cheering on the likes of me….
Heck I will have a conversation even with those that I may disagree with on most things, better the devil I know
The question remains why you think multiculturalism doesn’t work? I am genuinely curious whether it’s a nuanced argument or whether it is as basic as “races should not mix”
Yeah I'm not getting involved in that race baiting shite
Good luck
So let’s have a conversation….
Why don’t you think multiculturalism doesn’t work
it does work for most cultures but not all
I agree here. Works for everyone except for the culture of bigotry and racism. Everyone else cracks on just fine. do why are we having problems then like most of Europe where as it actually worked with a certain culture and why and how ?
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"Don't forget, diversity is our strength and there’s ppl who actually believe that lol ----------------------------------------------- Well since the British Isles population is descended from immigrants who started arriving here thousands of years ago that's patently true. Yes but we're living in 2024 You are right… I must have missed those multicultural Welsh rugby and football teams you probably cheer for…. Or is it only the pure celts you like
Someone feels threatened.
Not at all… even if it was just at university level I am proud to have competed for GB, even if it meant the likes of you not cheering on the likes of me….
Heck I will have a conversation even with those that I may disagree with on most things, better the devil I know
The question remains why you think multiculturalism doesn’t work? I am genuinely curious whether it’s a nuanced argument or whether it is as basic as “races should not mix”
Yeah I'm not getting involved in that race baiting shite
Good luck
So let’s have a conversation….
Why don’t you think multiculturalism doesn’t work
it does work for most cultures but not all
I agree here. Works for everyone except for the culture of bigotry and racism. Everyone else cracks on just fine. do why are we having problems then like most of Europe where as it actually worked with a certain culture and why and how ?
I assume you have a theory?
You say it’s worked everywhere so answer it can’t be thst hard or you want to keep calling bigots and racists
What?"wher as it worked U.K. France germany Sweden or is it just a U.K. problem ? | |||
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"Don't forget, diversity is our strength and there’s ppl who actually believe that lol ----------------------------------------------- Well since the British Isles population is descended from immigrants who started arriving here thousands of years ago that's patently true. Yes but we're living in 2024 You are right… I must have missed those multicultural Welsh rugby and football teams you probably cheer for…. Or is it only the pure celts you like
Someone feels threatened.
Not at all… even if it was just at university level I am proud to have competed for GB, even if it meant the likes of you not cheering on the likes of me….
Heck I will have a conversation even with those that I may disagree with on most things, better the devil I know
The question remains why you think multiculturalism doesn’t work? I am genuinely curious whether it’s a nuanced argument or whether it is as basic as “races should not mix”
Yeah I'm not getting involved in that race baiting shite
Good luck
So let’s have a conversation….
Why don’t you think multiculturalism doesn’t work
it does work for most cultures but not all
I agree here. Works for everyone except for the culture of bigotry and racism. Everyone else cracks on just fine. do why are we having problems then like most of Europe where as it actually worked with a certain culture and why and how ?
I assume you have a theory?
You say it’s worked everywhere so answer it can’t be thst hard or you want to keep calling bigots and racists
What?wher as it worked U.K. France germany Sweden or is it just a U.K. problem ?"What problem? Also, who called anyone "bigots and racists"? | |||
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"Don't forget, diversity is our strength and there’s ppl who actually believe that lol ----------------------------------------------- Well since the British Isles population is descended from immigrants who started arriving here thousands of years ago that's patently true. Yes but we're living in 2024 You are right… I must have missed those multicultural Welsh rugby and football teams you probably cheer for…. Or is it only the pure celts you like
Someone feels threatened.
Not at all… even if it was just at university level I am proud to have competed for GB, even if it meant the likes of you not cheering on the likes of me….
Heck I will have a conversation even with those that I may disagree with on most things, better the devil I know
The question remains why you think multiculturalism doesn’t work? I am genuinely curious whether it’s a nuanced argument or whether it is as basic as “races should not mix”
Yeah I'm not getting involved in that race baiting shite
Good luck
So let’s have a conversation….
Why don’t you think multiculturalism doesn’t work
it does work for most cultures but not all
I agree here. Works for everyone except for the culture of bigotry and racism. Everyone else cracks on just fine. do why are we having problems then like most of Europe where as it actually worked with a certain culture and why and how ?
I assume you have a theory?
You say it’s worked everywhere so answer it can’t be thst hard or you want to keep calling bigots and racists
What?wher as it worked U.K. France germany Sweden or is it just a U.K. problem ?"Yeah Sweden, Germany the Netherlands, France....it's all going swimmingly. Just ask the women of Malmo or those women on new year's eve 2015 in Cologne how multiculturalism is going. The safest places in Europe now are poland and Hungary. We're fooked. But hey keep importing, it's enriching us so much. | |||
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"Don't forget, diversity is our strength and there’s ppl who actually believe that lol ----------------------------------------------- Well since the British Isles population is descended from immigrants who started arriving here thousands of years ago that's patently true. Yes but we're living in 2024 You are right… I must have missed those multicultural Welsh rugby and football teams you probably cheer for…. Or is it only the pure celts you like
Someone feels threatened.
Not at all… even if it was just at university level I am proud to have competed for GB, even if it meant the likes of you not cheering on the likes of me….
Heck I will have a conversation even with those that I may disagree with on most things, better the devil I know
The question remains why you think multiculturalism doesn’t work? I am genuinely curious whether it’s a nuanced argument or whether it is as basic as “races should not mix”
Yeah I'm not getting involved in that race baiting shite
Good luck
So let’s have a conversation….
Why don’t you think multiculturalism doesn’t work
it does work for most cultures but not all
I agree here. Works for everyone except for the culture of bigotry and racism. Everyone else cracks on just fine. do why are we having problems then like most of Europe where as it actually worked with a certain culture and why and how ? You say it’s worked everywhere so answer it can’t be thst hard or you want to keep calling bigots and racists "------------------------------------------------ Of course it's working, the most successful nations in the world are multicultural always have been, always will be. It's fatuous to create a belief from the indiscretions of some members of minority communities and believe those features apply stereotypically to those communities as a whole, all communities are made up of individuals who have their own experiences and aspirations, they don't behave like an 'entity'. | |||
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"Don't forget, diversity is our strength and there’s ppl who actually believe that lol ----------------------------------------------- Well since the British Isles population is descended from immigrants who started arriving here thousands of years ago that's patently true. Yes but we're living in 2024 You are right… I must have missed those multicultural Welsh rugby and football teams you probably cheer for…. Or is it only the pure celts you like
Someone feels threatened.
Not at all… even if it was just at university level I am proud to have competed for GB, even if it meant the likes of you not cheering on the likes of me….
Heck I will have a conversation even with those that I may disagree with on most things, better the devil I know
The question remains why you think multiculturalism doesn’t work? I am genuinely curious whether it’s a nuanced argument or whether it is as basic as “races should not mix”
Yeah I'm not getting involved in that race baiting shite
Good luck
So let’s have a conversation….
Why don’t you think multiculturalism doesn’t work
it does work for most cultures but not all
I agree here. Works for everyone except for the culture of bigotry and racism. Everyone else cracks on just fine. do why are we having problems then like most of Europe where as it actually worked with a certain culture and why and how ? You say it’s worked everywhere so answer it can’t be thst hard or you want to keep calling bigots and racists
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Of course it's working, the most successful nations in the world are multicultural always have been, always will be.
It's fatuous to create a belief from the indiscretions of some members of minority communities and believe those features apply stereotypically to those communities as a whole, all communities are made up of individuals who have their own experiences and aspirations, they don't behave like an 'entity'.
"Name them. | |||
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" ? Yeah Sweden, Germany the Netherlands, France....it's all going swimmingly. Just ask the women of Malmo or those women on new year's eve 2015 in Cologne how multiculturalism is going. The safest places in Europe now are poland and Hungary. We're fooked. But hey keep importing, it's enriching us so much." --------------------------------------------------------------- Would it be a logical argument if the parents of Olivia Pratt-Korbel and Ashley Dale blamed everyone from Liverpool because their murderers were from that city? | |||
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"Don't forget, diversity is our strength and there’s ppl who actually believe that lol ----------------------------------------------- Well since the British Isles population is descended from immigrants who started arriving here thousands of years ago that's patently true. Yes but we're living in 2024 You are right… I must have missed those multicultural Welsh rugby and football teams you probably cheer for…. Or is it only the pure celts you like
Someone feels threatened.
Not at all… even if it was just at university level I am proud to have competed for GB, even if it meant the likes of you not cheering on the likes of me….
Heck I will have a conversation even with those that I may disagree with on most things, better the devil I know
The question remains why you think multiculturalism doesn’t work? I am genuinely curious whether it’s a nuanced argument or whether it is as basic as “races should not mix”
Yeah I'm not getting involved in that race baiting shite
Good luck
So let’s have a conversation….
Why don’t you think multiculturalism doesn’t work
it does work for most cultures but not all
I agree here. Works for everyone except for the culture of bigotry and racism. Everyone else cracks on just fine. do why are we having problems then like most of Europe where as it actually worked with a certain culture and why and how ? You say it’s worked everywhere so answer it can’t be thst hard or you want to keep calling bigots and racists
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Of course it's working, the most successful nations in the world are multicultural always have been, always will be.
It's fatuous to create a belief from the indiscretions of some members of minority communities and believe those features apply stereotypically to those communities as a whole, all communities are made up of individuals who have their own experiences and aspirations, they don't behave like an 'entity'.
Name them."------------------------- Name who? | |||
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"Why are we celebrating Caribbean culture? This is Britain, isn't it? We’re a wonderfully multicultural nation, isn’t that great? 🇯🇲🇧🇧🇧🇲🇭🇹🇹🇹🇬🇾🇧🇸🇱🇨🇰🇳 What's wrong with British culture? It’s Black British culture. Don’t like it? Blame the Empire. It was horrible anyway. " I think this poster puts it most succinctly. It's "Black British culture" and all the "Empire's" fault, apparently. | |||
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"Don't forget, diversity is our strength and there’s ppl who actually believe that lol ----------------------------------------------- Well since the British Isles population is descended from immigrants who started arriving here thousands of years ago that's patently true. Yes but we're living in 2024 You are right… I must have missed those multicultural Welsh rugby and football teams you probably cheer for…. Or is it only the pure celts you like
Someone feels threatened.
Not at all… even if it was just at university level I am proud to have competed for GB, even if it meant the likes of you not cheering on the likes of me….
Heck I will have a conversation even with those that I may disagree with on most things, better the devil I know
The question remains why you think multiculturalism doesn’t work? I am genuinely curious whether it’s a nuanced argument or whether it is as basic as “races should not mix”
Yeah I'm not getting involved in that race baiting shite
Good luck
So let’s have a conversation….
Why don’t you think multiculturalism doesn’t work
it does work for most cultures but not all
I agree here. Works for everyone except for the culture of bigotry and racism. Everyone else cracks on just fine. do why are we having problems then like most of Europe where as it actually worked with a certain culture and why and how ? You say it’s worked everywhere so answer it can’t be thst hard or you want to keep calling bigots and racists
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Of course it's working, the most successful nations in the world are multicultural always have been, always will be.
It's fatuous to create a belief from the indiscretions of some members of minority communities and believe those features apply stereotypically to those communities as a whole, all communities are made up of individuals who have their own experiences and aspirations, they don't behave like an 'entity'.
Name them.
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Name who?"Don't be glib. The countries. | |||
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"do you think all cultures have worked in the U.K. and if so why are we talking about it most countries in Europe are having the same problems as us I think the stories we hear are very much more the exception rather than the rule…. And are sensationalised It’s a bit like using the story like the incident in Southport to suit a different narrative as in immigration ok the stories are sensationalised i think there numbed down by mainstream media but why then is it only the one culture we here these stories about look at France Belgium Germany Sweden and many more why are these having the same problems some even more than the U.K. " First the Jews couldn’t integrate, then the Irish, then Afro Caribbean people, then southern Asian people… Is there some sort of common denominator when it comes to all these different groups being unable to integrate into Britain? | |||
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"Don't forget, diversity is our strength and there’s ppl who actually believe that lol ----------------------------------------------- Well since the British Isles population is descended from immigrants who started arriving here thousands of years ago that's patently true. Yes but we're living in 2024 You are right… I must have missed those multicultural Welsh rugby and football teams you probably cheer for…. Or is it only the pure celts you like
Someone feels threatened.
Not at all… even if it was just at university level I am proud to have competed for GB, even if it meant the likes of you not cheering on the likes of me….
Heck I will have a conversation even with those that I may disagree with on most things, better the devil I know
The question remains why you think multiculturalism doesn’t work? I am genuinely curious whether it’s a nuanced argument or whether it is as basic as “races should not mix”
Yeah I'm not getting involved in that race baiting shite
Good luck
So let’s have a conversation….
Why don’t you think multiculturalism doesn’t work
it does work for most cultures but not all
I agree here. Works for everyone except for the culture of bigotry and racism. Everyone else cracks on just fine. do why are we having problems then like most of Europe where as it actually worked with a certain culture and why and how ? You say it’s worked everywhere so answer it can’t be thst hard or you want to keep calling bigots and racists
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Of course it's working, the most successful nations in the world are multicultural always have been, always will be.
It's fatuous to create a belief from the indiscretions of some members of minority communities and believe those features apply stereotypically to those communities as a whole, all communities are made up of individuals who have their own experiences and aspirations, they don't behave like an 'entity'.
Name them."The USA has the world’s biggest economy and is fantastically multicultural. | |||
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" ? Yeah Sweden, Germany the Netherlands, France....it's all going swimmingly. Just ask the women of Malmo or those women on new year's eve 2015 in Cologne how multiculturalism is going. The safest places in Europe now are poland and Hungary. We're fooked. But hey keep importing, it's enriching us so much. --------------------------------------------------------------- Would it be a logical argument if the parents of Olivia Pratt-Korbel and Ashley Dale blamed everyone from Liverpool because their murderers were from that city? " There's no comparison. In the two cases you mention both victims were,shall we say, collateral damage or accidentally caught in cross fire. They were NOT the intended victims. The women in Malmo, Cologne....and on it goes, were TARGETED. See the difference? | |||
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"do you think all cultures have worked in the U.K. and if so why are we talking about it most countries in Europe are having the same problems as us I think the stories we hear are very much more the exception rather than the rule…. And are sensationalised It’s a bit like using the story like the incident in Southport to suit a different narrative as in immigration ok the stories are sensationalised i think there numbed down by mainstream media but why then is it only the one culture we here these stories about look at France Belgium Germany Sweden and many more why are these having the same problems some even more than the U.K. First the Jews couldn’t integrate, then the Irish, then Afro Caribbean people, then southern Asian people… Is there some sort of common denominator when it comes to all these different groups being unable to integrate into Britain?" so it’s our fault the brits ofcorse it is always our fault when a culture comes here and struggles how about europe is it there fault that there having same problems | |||
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"Don't forget, diversity is our strength and there’s ppl who actually believe that lol ----------------------------------------------- Well since the British Isles population is descended from immigrants who started arriving here thousands of years ago that's patently true. Yes but we're living in 2024 You are right… I must have missed those multicultural Welsh rugby and football teams you probably cheer for…. Or is it only the pure celts you like
Someone feels threatened.
Not at all… even if it was just at university level I am proud to have competed for GB, even if it meant the likes of you not cheering on the likes of me….
Heck I will have a conversation even with those that I may disagree with on most things, better the devil I know
The question remains why you think multiculturalism doesn’t work? I am genuinely curious whether it’s a nuanced argument or whether it is as basic as “races should not mix”
Yeah I'm not getting involved in that race baiting shite
Good luck
So let’s have a conversation….
Why don’t you think multiculturalism doesn’t work
it does work for most cultures but not all
I agree here. Works for everyone except for the culture of bigotry and racism. Everyone else cracks on just fine. do why are we having problems then like most of Europe where as it actually worked with a certain culture and why and how ? You say it’s worked everywhere so answer it can’t be thst hard or you want to keep calling bigots and racists
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Of course it's working, the most successful nations in the world are multicultural always have been, always will be.
It's fatuous to create a belief from the indiscretions of some members of minority communities and believe those features apply stereotypically to those communities as a whole, all communities are made up of individuals who have their own experiences and aspirations, they don't behave like an 'entity'.
Name them.
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Name who?
Don't be glib. The countries."----------------------------------------------------- So where shall we start? USA? Canada? Australia? Spain? France? Brazil? Most areas of Asia? | |||
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