"Let's be honest, the root cause of shed loads of the issues in this country are down to shit, useless, it's someone else's responsibility parents but no-one is prepared to say it "
Amongst many other influencing factors |
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"Let's be honest, the root cause of shed loads of the issues in this country are down to shit, useless, it's someone else's responsibility parents but no-one is prepared to say it "
You just said it and I've heard the same thing said by social workers, teachers etc.
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"Let's be honest, the root cause of shed loads of the issues in this country are down to shit, useless, it's someone else's responsibility parents but no-one is prepared to say it "
Out of interest why do you believe this country appears to be the only one with poor parenting skills? |
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"Let's be honest, the root cause of shed loads of the issues in this country are down to shit, useless, it's someone else's responsibility parents but no-one is prepared to say it
Out of interest why do you believe this country appears to be the only one with poor parenting skills?"
When travelling overseas I've often been in a restaurant with French, Italian, Spanish families accompanied by well mannered, polite and obedient children. The average Brit family in a restaurant is like WW3. |
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"Let's be honest, the root cause of shed loads of the issues in this country are down to shit, useless, it's someone else's responsibility parents but no-one is prepared to say it
Out of interest why do you believe this country appears to be the only one with poor parenting skills?
When travelling overseas I've often been in a restaurant with French, Italian, Spanish families accompanied by well mannered, polite and obedient children. The average Brit family in a restaurant is like WW3. "
lol is that the basis of your evidence??? |
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By *irldnCouple 4 weeks ago
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The thing is if the parents are to blame for being bad parents then weren’t their parents to blame for being bad parents and if that was the case then what about their parents?
Where is the line that says “before that point in time people were good parents and after that point they were bad parents!” And if that is the case what was the societal change that precipitated the fall in good quality parenting?
Or maybe it is bollocks and cultural changes are far more complex and have multiple root causes?
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By *irldnCouple 4 weeks ago
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"Let's be honest, the root cause of shed loads of the issues in this country are down to shit, useless, it's someone else's responsibility parents but no-one is prepared to say it
Out of interest why do you believe this country appears to be the only one with poor parenting skills?
When travelling overseas I've often been in a restaurant with French, Italian, Spanish families accompanied by well mannered, polite and obedient children. The average Brit family in a restaurant is like WW3. "
I’ve seen bad behaved children in every country I have ever visited same as I have seen well behaved children in every country I have ever visited. Without a doubt there are sone shit parents around. When I was younger (decades ago) there used to be an oft quoted saying “you need a licence to own a dog but anyone can have a child!” |
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"The thing is if the parents are to blame for being bad parents then weren’t their parents to blame for being bad parents and if that was the case then what about their parents?
Where is the line that says “before that point in time people were good parents and after that point they were bad parents!” And if that is the case what was the societal change that precipitated the fall in good quality parenting?
Or maybe it is bollocks and cultural changes are far more complex and have multiple root causes?
Just saying "
Nothing is ever that black and white. Usually if someone is brought up in a broken home with bad parenting then the odds are it will pass down. But their are always exceptions to the rule. My cousin for example, her mum (my aunt) was an alcoholic and went out every night drinking and falling home at whatever. Spent the next day with a cold flannel on her head popping paracetamol until it was time to go back out again. Her dad done everything, worked full time, cooking cleaning etc. While her mum neglected her, she hated this and never drank and became a terrific mum |
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I think one of the main problems is that a lot of people are looking around for someone to blame instead of wondering how they can fix whatever they perceive the problem to be.
The difficulty I'm finding here is that the problems aren't being specified and the evidence to back the op opinion is pretty sparse do far. There's not much to discuss |
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"I think one of the main problems is that a lot of people are looking around for someone to blame instead of wondering how they can fix whatever they perceive the problem to be.
The difficulty I'm finding here is that the problems aren't being specified and the evidence to back the op opinion is pretty sparse do far. There's not much to discuss "
Think this topic will die, looks like the op had a rant and it probably sounded good at the time. Could bring freedom of speech and racism into it but think we all need a break from that? |
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"Let's be honest, the root cause of shed loads of the issues in this country are down to shit, useless, it's someone else's responsibility parents but no-one is prepared to say it
Out of interest why do you believe this country appears to be the only one with poor parenting skills?"
it’s not it’s ppl like you who constantly put them down it’s very hard bringing up kids in todays world |
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"Let's be honest, the root cause of shed loads of the issues in this country are down to shit, useless, it's someone else's responsibility parents but no-one is prepared to say it
Out of interest why do you believe this country appears to be the only one with poor parenting skills?
When travelling overseas I've often been in a restaurant with French, Italian, Spanish families accompanied by well mannered, polite and obedient children. The average Brit family in a restaurant is like WW3. "
not this bullshit again while overseas iv seen this and that crap pmsl |
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By *atEvolutionCouple 4 weeks ago
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If it ain't the kids it’s the parents, if it ain't the parents it's the teachers, if it ain't the teachers it's the police, if it ain't the police it's the courts, if it ain't the courts it's the prisons, if it ain't the prisons it's the probation service . . .
Maybe just sometimes it's the circumstances.
Maybe just sometimes it's just the child.
Maybe all adults should act in loco-parentis, after all, that is the common law responsibility of each and every one of us.
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"Let's be honest, the root cause of shed loads of the issues in this country are down to shit, useless, it's someone else's responsibility parents but no-one is prepared to say it
Out of interest why do you believe this country appears to be the only one with poor parenting skills?
When travelling overseas I've often been in a restaurant with French, Italian, Spanish families accompanied by well mannered, polite and obedient children. The average Brit family in a restaurant is like WW3.
lol is that the basis of your evidence???"
Yes! Brit families with out-of-control kids are an feature of any overseas holiday. |
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"Let's be honest, the root cause of shed loads of the issues in this country are down to shit, useless, it's someone else's responsibility parents but no-one is prepared to say it
Out of interest why do you believe this country appears to be the only one with poor parenting skills?
When travelling overseas I've often been in a restaurant with French, Italian, Spanish families accompanied by well mannered, polite and obedient children. The average Brit family in a restaurant is like WW3.
lol is that the basis of your evidence???
Yes! Brit families with out-of-control kids are an feature of any overseas holiday."
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"Let's be honest, the root cause of shed loads of the issues in this country are down to shit, useless, it's someone else's responsibility parents but no-one is prepared to say it
Out of interest why do you believe this country appears to be the only one with poor parenting skills?
When travelling overseas I've often been in a restaurant with French, Italian, Spanish families accompanied by well mannered, polite and obedient children. The average Brit family in a restaurant is like WW3.
lol is that the basis of your evidence???
Yes! Brit families with out-of-control kids are an feature of any overseas holiday."
You're picking the wrong holiday destinations, at the wrong times. |
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"Let's be honest, the root cause of shed loads of the issues in this country are down to shit, useless, it's someone else's responsibility parents but no-one is prepared to say it
Out of interest why do you believe this country appears to be the only one with poor parenting skills?
When travelling overseas I've often been in a restaurant with French, Italian, Spanish families accompanied by well mannered, polite and obedient children. The average Brit family in a restaurant is like WW3.
lol is that the basis of your evidence???
Yes! Brit families with out-of-control kids are an feature of any overseas holiday."
It's true and the reason we go out of season and adults only.
However this isn't evidence that poor parenting is the cause of everything that's wrong in this country. |
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By *atEvolutionCouple 4 weeks ago
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"I agree with the above.
We are good parents, our kids knew how to behave socially but my God they pushed at the boundaries and broke them as teenagers. "
Totally. It's really hard to tell a teenager that what they are doing is going to lead in just one direction - sometimes the fact of that only hits home after it's happened. And 'told you so' always hurts both. |
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"Let's be honest, the root cause of shed loads of the issues in this country are down to shit, useless, it's someone else's responsibility parents but no-one is prepared to say it
Out of interest why do you believe this country appears to be the only one with poor parenting skills?
When travelling overseas I've often been in a restaurant with French, Italian, Spanish families accompanied by well mannered, polite and obedient children. The average Brit family in a restaurant is like WW3.
lol is that the basis of your evidence???
Yes! Brit families with out-of-control kids are an feature of any overseas holiday.
It's true and the reason we go out of season and adults only.
However this isn't evidence that poor parenting is the cause of everything that's wrong in this country. "
a thread started by a single bloke in his 50s s moaning about Brit parents comedy gold lol |
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The problem with assessing families that have traveled overseas, is that their behaviour is potentially not typical, either of them in their own country, people who don't travel, etc.
It can be very tough travelling, as you may be overloaded with an alien language, environment, weather etc and you won't have the regular support from home. It's very tough looking after kids full stop, so much harder with all of the above factors on top. We're a much more individualist culture now, which has reflected the reduced level of respect that is around for others. |
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By *irldnCouple 4 weeks ago
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"I agree with the above.
We are good parents, our kids knew how to behave socially but my God they pushed at the boundaries and broke them as teenagers.
Totally. It's really hard to tell a teenager that what they are doing is going to lead in just one direction - sometimes the fact of that only hits home after it's happened. And 'told you so' always hurts both. "
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Usually country-wide issues have numerous factors and not just one. From what I see, all Western European countries are going through something similar to the three-generation curse, only at a much wider scale.
- Early industrial revolution gave these countries a headstart and set them on a path to progress.
- After the wars, these countries went through a period of fast growth and also peace
- As countries became more prosperous, they decided to socialise things like healthcare, pensions and education
- People stopped having kids because the government told that they will be taken care of, no matter what
- Generation after generation, people got more and more spoilt as they were repeatedly told that the government would take care of everything. Everyone started taking things for granted. When something isn't working properly, the default response seems to be "Why isn't the government solving this problem?"
And guess what? The government cannot make something out of nothing. They need people to do the work. Even when they do something, they are inefficient.
Now you have a situation where it's clear that the governments cannot take care of everyone and welfare systems are breaking down. But people are still living in denial, hoping that a new political party leading from the top can perform miracle and solve all their problems.
Your concern about parents not parenting properly is just a small part of the problem - Because they believe that the state will take care of their kids no matter what. |
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Ok few valid points there but as said there are a lot of factors involved here.
One being that the industrial age is a thing of the past and gone are the days when a mother coukd stay and home while the father could work in a factory and still afford to live a comfortable lifestyle.
Now it takes 2 parents working so the child is brought up by childminders or nursery staff. Marriages aren't lasting and we have many deadbeat dad's who do a runner leaving the child with no father figure.
Parents working so much they don't spend enough time with their kids
I don't think parents "expect" the government to look after their kids but as someone who became a father at 46 it was a major lifestyle change and major impact on your finances!
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People love someone to blame, and they love a simple answer. It’s easy and it makes us feel better about ourselves. If it’s the parents’ fault then it’s not a wider societal and cultural issue and we don’t have to worry about what part we play in it.
Society’s problems do not have a simple cause, there is no magic bullet. What we could do is instead of searching so hard for someone to blame is ask what we can do to make it better, but we won’t because that’s hard, and we’d prefer to look after ourselves and fuck the rest. |
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By *irldnCouple 4 weeks ago
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"Usually country-wide issues have numerous factors and not just one. From what I see, all Western European countries are going through something similar to the three-generation curse, only at a much wider scale.
- Early industrial revolution gave these countries a headstart and set them on a path to progress.
- After the wars, these countries went through a period of fast growth and also peace
- As countries became more prosperous, they decided to socialise things like healthcare, pensions and education
- People stopped having kids because the government told that they will be taken care of, no matter what
- Generation after generation, people got more and more spoilt as they were repeatedly told that the government would take care of everything. Everyone started taking things for granted. When something isn't working properly, the default response seems to be "Why isn't the government solving this problem?"
And guess what? The government cannot make something out of nothing. They need people to do the work. Even when they do something, they are inefficient.
Now you have a situation where it's clear that the governments cannot take care of everyone and welfare systems are breaking down. But people are still living in denial, hoping that a new political party leading from the top can perform miracle and solve all their problems.
Your concern about parents not parenting properly is just a small part of the problem - Because they believe that the state will take care of their kids no matter what."
Is that why India had a population explosion so the kids could look after the adults? And in doing so create massive global pressure on the human population consuming too many resources on the planet? |
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Your concern about parents not parenting properly is just a small part of the problem - Because they believe that the state will take care of their kids no matter what.
Is that why India had a population explosion so the kids could look after the adults? And in doing so create massive global pressure on the human population consuming too many resources on the planet?"
That's the reason why poor countries tend to have higher birth rates over rich countries and poor people within every country have higher birth rate over rich people.
There are a few reasons why people used to have kids
- Religion
- social pressure
- someone to pay/look after them at old age
- the personal satisfaction of having kids and family.
The first three have slowly stopped being reasons in most rich countries. The ones who want kids for the last reason have only one or two. Even in India, birth rate has fallen below replacement rate recently.
Your concern about global pressure due to population is valid. But rapid reduction in birth rates come at a cost - a bigger proportion of ageing population relying on a smaller working population. You have two options:
1) Give up on social welfare because it's anyway going to breakdown
2) Work your ass off to compensate for the shortage of workforce and try to automate the shit out of everything, both of which the Japanese people are doing.
The problem with people in Western Europe? They want to do neither. Everyone wants shorter working hours and 4-day work weeks AND ALSO a welfare system that solves all their problems. Everyone wants to point fingers are the government expecting it to magically solve the problem instead of taking personal responsibility.
Hopefully the younger generations realise the fallacy of depending on government on everything and learn to take personal responsibility. |
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People of my generation complain how demanding our adult kids are, so not much chance of that. We call them 'entitled'. They are more concerned about having fine clothes, clubbing abroad and owning a car than ever we were at their age. Most of them feel fully entitled to move back into their parents' homes as adults! |
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"Usually country-wide issues have numerous factors and not just one. From what I see, all Western European countries are going through something similar to the three-generation curse, only at a much wider scale.
- Early industrial revolution gave these countries a headstart and set them on a path to progress.
- After the wars, these countries went through a period of fast growth and also peace
- As countries became more prosperous, they decided to socialise things like healthcare, pensions and education
- People stopped having kids because the government told that they will be taken care of, no matter what
- Generation after generation, people got more and more spoilt as they were repeatedly told that the government would take care of everything. Everyone started taking things for granted. When something isn't working properly, the default response seems to be "Why isn't the government solving this problem?"
And guess what? The government cannot make something out of nothing. They need people to do the work. Even when they do something, they are inefficient.
Now you have a situation where it's clear that the governments cannot take care of everyone and welfare systems are breaking down. But people are still living in denial, hoping that a new political party leading from the top can perform miracle and solve all their problems.
Your concern about parents not parenting properly is just a small part of the problem - Because they believe that the state will take care of their kids no matter what.
Is that why India had a population explosion so the kids could look after the adults? And in doing so create massive global pressure on the human population consuming too many resources on the planet?"
FACT: Americans constitute 5% of the world’s population but consume 24% of the world’s energy.
the top 10 greediest resource users per capita are:
1. Qatar
2. Kuwait
3. United Arab Emirates
4. Denmark
5. United States
6. Belgium
7. Australia
8. Canada
9. The Netherlands
10. Ireland
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"Let's be honest, the root cause of shed loads of the issues in this country are down to shit, useless, it's someone else's responsibility parents but no-one is prepared to say it
Out of interest why do you believe this country appears to be the only one with poor parenting skills?
When travelling overseas I've often been in a restaurant with French, Italian, Spanish families accompanied by well mannered, polite and obedient children. The average Brit family in a restaurant is like WW3.
lol is that the basis of your evidence???
Yes! Brit families with out-of-control kids are an feature of any overseas holiday.
You're picking the wrong holiday destinations, at the wrong times."
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"Too soft due to the liberal elite over the decades plus gave kids far too much say
 Fancy kids having things to say !?! Well, that can't be right !?!
Fair enough, but there's a time and place. Out-of-control kids does nobody any good."
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"Let's be honest, the root cause of shed loads of the issues in this country are down to shit, useless, it's someone else's responsibility parents but no-one is prepared to say it
Out of interest why do you believe this country appears to be the only one with poor parenting skills?
When travelling overseas I've often been in a restaurant with French, Italian, Spanish families accompanied by well mannered, polite and obedient children. The average Brit family in a restaurant is like WW3.
lol is that the basis of your evidence???
Yes! Brit families with out-of-control kids are a feature of any overseas holiday."
lol what drivel ….. says who other than yourself? |
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"Let's be honest, the root cause of shed loads of the issues in this country are down to shit, useless, it's someone else's responsibility parents but no-one is prepared to say it
Out of interest why do you believe this country appears to be the only one with poor parenting skills?"
Where did I say that I did |
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"Let's be honest, the root cause of shed loads of the issues in this country are down to shit, useless, it's someone else's responsibility parents but no-one is prepared to say it
Out of interest why do you believe this country appears to be the only one with poor parenting skills?it’s not it’s ppl like you who constantly put them down it’s very hard bringing up kids in todays world "
Why is it any harder is today's world than yesterday's wort? As I said, it's always someone else's responsibility |
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"Let's be honest, the root cause of shed loads of the issues in this country are down to shit, useless, it's someone else's responsibility parents but no-one is prepared to say it
Out of interest why do you believe this country appears to be the only one with poor parenting skills?
When travelling overseas I've often been in a restaurant with French, Italian, Spanish families accompanied by well mannered, polite and obedient children. The average Brit family in a restaurant is like WW3.
lol is that the basis of your evidence???
Yes! Brit families with out-of-control kids are an feature of any overseas holiday.
It's true and the reason we go out of season and adults only.
However this isn't evidence that poor parenting is the cause of everything that's wrong in this country. "
I didn't say it was the cause of the everything wrong in this country. |
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"Let's be honest, the root cause of shed loads of the issues in this country are down to shit, useless, it's someone else's responsibility parents but no-one is prepared to say it
Out of interest why do you believe this country appears to be the only one with poor parenting skills?
When travelling overseas I've often been in a restaurant with French, Italian, Spanish families accompanied by well mannered, polite and obedient children. The average Brit family in a restaurant is like WW3.
lol is that the basis of your evidence???
Yes! Brit families with out-of-control kids are a feature of any overseas holiday.
lol what drivel ….. says who other than yourself?"
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"I think one of the main problems is that a lot of people are looking around for someone to blame instead of wondering how they can fix whatever they perceive the problem to be.
The difficulty I'm finding here is that the problems aren't being specified and the evidence to back the op opinion is pretty sparse do far. There's not much to discuss
Think this topic will die, looks like the op had a rant and it probably sounded good at the time. Could bring freedom of speech and racism into it but think we all need a break from that?"
Yes I had a rant but, I my opinion, with good reason and i stand by it |
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By *irldnCouple 4 weeks ago
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"I think one of the main problems is that a lot of people are looking around for someone to blame instead of wondering how they can fix whatever they perceive the problem to be.
The difficulty I'm finding here is that the problems aren't being specified and the evidence to back the op opinion is pretty sparse do far. There's not much to discuss
Think this topic will die, looks like the op had a rant and it probably sounded good at the time. Could bring freedom of speech and racism into it but think we all need a break from that?
Yes I had a rant but, I my opinion, with good reason and i stand by it"
What proportion of parents are bad parents? What made them bad parents? What are their actions that lead you to conclude they are bad parents? Are you a parent? If so are you good or bad and why? |
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"I think one of the main problems is that a lot of people are looking around for someone to blame instead of wondering how they can fix whatever they perceive the problem to be.
The difficulty I'm finding here is that the problems aren't being specified and the evidence to back the op opinion is pretty sparse do far. There's not much to discuss
Think this topic will die, looks like the op had a rant and it probably sounded good at the time. Could bring freedom of speech and racism into it but think we all need a break from that?
Yes I had a rant but, I my opinion, with good reason and i stand by it
What proportion of parents are bad parents? What made them bad parents? What are their actions that lead you to conclude they are bad parents? Are you a parent? If so are you good or bad and why?"
You really want to know?
I have no idea what proportion are bad parents, I say it as I see it.
I neither know nor care what made them bad parents, it's not societies problem, it's theirs
The actions of feral kids tells me the parents haven't got a clue or just don't care
Yes I am
My adult children are happy, decent, hard working, law abiding citizens that contribute to the country rather than bleed it dry with the self entitled nonsense that exists today so I consider myself a good parent. |
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We'd say the root causes are archaic central government institutions where its impossible to fire the permanent secretaries unless you're the prime minster. Such structures don't allow for the best and brightest to be the ones making decisions. The decisions being made are by those unelected folk at the very top who are more interested in holding onto their budgets and positions. |
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"We'd say the root causes are archaic central government institutions where its impossible to fire the permanent secretaries unless you're the prime minster. Such structures don't allow for the best and brightest to be the ones making decisions. The decisions being made are by those unelected folk at the very top who are more interested in holding onto their budgets and positions."
I'd say that adults are able to make their own decisions and should be held accountable for them and for the actions of their children until such time as they reach adulthood |
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