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By *hagTonight OP Man 15 weeks ago
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In a surprising turn in the war, ukraine is advancing into russia and as a result, the region of kursk declared a state of emergency.
What is your view on the turn in the war and how far in do you reckon that they can come? It is good news it have changed, it will be interesting to see if ukraine is deciding to just be there or how far into russia they can get  |
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It's a brilliant move to be honest. Putin will probably use it to galvanise his population and get more people drafted. But it would be hard for him to hold fort in the occupied land of Ukraine while also depending his own borders. |
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By *hagTonight OP Man 15 weeks ago
From the land of haribos. |
"It's a brilliant move to be honest. Putin will probably use it to galvanise his population and get more people drafted. But it would be hard for him to hold fort in the occupied land of Ukraine while also depending his own borders. "
Yes, it is a brilliant move. I wonder if they have set their sights on st petersburg too?  |
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By *otMe66Man 15 weeks ago
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"It's a brilliant move to be honest. Putin will probably use it to galvanise his population and get more people drafted. But it would be hard for him to hold fort in the occupied land of Ukraine while also depending his own borders. Yes, it is a brilliant move. I wonder if they have set their sights on st petersburg too? "
I would imagine this is a strategic move to reduce the impact of the winter months that will be upon us in the next 3-4 months.
If they can keep the Russians occupied in there own backyard it will bring a much needed break to Ukraine. The only thing that could turn this on its head, is the Russians hitting Kyiv hard and not stopping. |
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"It's a brilliant move to be honest. Putin will probably use it to galvanise his population and get more people drafted. But it would be hard for him to hold fort in the occupied land of Ukraine while also depending his own borders. Yes, it is a brilliant move. I wonder if they have set their sights on st petersburg too? "
Petersburg would be too difficult at this point. From what I know Ukraine is just attacking towns close to the border. I don't think there is an end to the war unless something happens to Putin. |
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By *atEvolutionCouple 15 weeks ago
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"In a surprising turn in the war, ukraine is advancing into russia and as a result, the region of kursk declared a state of emergency.
What is your view on the turn in the war and how far in do you reckon that they can come? It is good news it have changed, it will be interesting to see if ukraine is deciding to just be there or how far into russia they can get "
At what point do we start sending military aid to Russia? |
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By *oo hotCouple 15 weeks ago
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"Ukraine will eventually loose the war. Russia have got the man power and the backing of other countries to play the long game.
The west is to scarred to help Ukraine."
I wouldn’t bet on that if I were you. |
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By *eavilMan 15 weeks ago
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Trouble is if they get too far into Russia or look like they are getting too troublesome they could end up on the wrong end of a nuke. There is nothing wrong in setting one off in your own country! |
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"Trouble is if they get too far into Russia or look like they are getting too troublesome they could end up on the wrong end of a nuke. There is nothing wrong in setting one off in your own country!"
And there is a risk Putin is backed into a corner, then claims this in an invasion of Russia by "the West" and starts WWIII.
It's actually a rather worrying development that this regional war could develop significantly at a time when the US appears so divided, and Putin knows this.
I don't blame Ukraine but poking the bear too many times.... |
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By *eavilMan 15 weeks ago
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The clever move might be to pull back into Ukrainian territory. Having drawn Russian reserves away from the main conflict areas Putin would never be certain where and when the Ukrainians might re-invade his territory. Putting the Russians on the back foot for any future planned offensives plus seriously undermining their already fragile morale. Putin might even have to rethink the basis for any negotiated settlement. With only about two to three months of advantageous weather before winter closes down any offensive/counter offensive activities both sides will want to get as much fighting done now. The next few weeks should be very interesting |
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The videos circulating of the Russian convoy sent to Kursk region, being ambushed and completely destroyed by Ukraine. 400 odd soldiers killed in the blown up trucks. Looks like no survivors.
Can’t see Putin taking this lying down, what will his retaliation be. |
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"The only thing that could turn this on its head, is the Russians hitting Kyiv hard and not stopping. "
This is very embarrassing for Putin, 76,000 civilians reported evacuated (1/3rd of Plymouth). Their border security breached and the force sent to recapture ambushed and destroyed. Global laughing stock of their military.
I would not won’t to predict the scale of his response. |
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By *oo hotCouple 15 weeks ago
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"The videos circulating of the Russian convoy sent to Kursk region, being ambushed and completely destroyed by Ukraine. 400 odd soldiers killed in the blown up trucks. Looks like no survivors.
Can’t see Putin taking this lying down, what will his retaliation be. "
They are losing 1000+ per day anyway in tactics last seen in WW1. Mass casualties accepted as long as ground is taken. These kinds of losses have been par for the course for almost the whole of this year. The problem (for Russia) is that Ukraine has just taken ten times the amount of land in a week that Russia has taken in the whole of 2024 with nothing remotely comparable in personnel losses.
It was inevitable that at some point the truly massive losses of experienced soldiers that Russia has suffered would be exposed on the battlefield and we are seeing that now as Ukraine steamrollers through defences that Russia thought unassailable and so manned with conscripts.
These are important times in this conflict. |
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Can’t see Putin taking this lying down, what will his retaliation be. "
DPRK "Construction Regiments" drafted in to retake and fortify taken territory.
This would then free up RF forces sent to the area to launch counterattacks. |
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Lets be honest they aint even sent a cpl of thousand troops in they will cause russia headaches for 5 or 6 days then either be cauaght or killed, so end up losing loads of experienced fighters and whatever hardware they went in with just for a bit of propaganda, like someone else has said he will retaliate just no idea how hard the retaliation will be, my self i think this war still got a good 12-18 months to run |
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It's not about taking territory and holding it for Ukraine, it's sending a message to the russian people that they might be vulnerable which the Ukrainians have had to live with..
Also to Putin that you can keep changing your military hierarchy but there's still incompetence though that strata of governance and leadership..
But also the elites will look at Putin whose been in charge all along.. |
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"It's not about taking territory and holding it for Ukraine, it's sending a message to the russian people that they might be vulnerable which the Ukrainians have had to live with..
Also to Putin that you can keep changing your military hierarchy but there's still incompetence though that strata of governance and leadership..
But also the elites will look at Putin whose been in charge all along.."
Remember the retaliatory aftermath after Ukraine launched 6 himars on the training building with 800 Russians in it on 2023 New Year’s Eve.
As those Kursh residents are now galvanised Putin ‘our children can’t sleep’. As were millions of Ukrainians.
I fear significant retaliation on infrastructure and civility targets. It is all Russia has |
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"Lets be honest they aint even sent a cpl of thousand troops in they will cause russia headaches for 5 or 6 days then either be cauaght or killed, so end up losing loads of experienced fighters and whatever hardware they went in with just for a bit of propaganda, like someone else has said he will retaliate just no idea how hard the retaliation will be, my self i think this war still got a good 12-18 months to run"
Whatever force has been sent, it’s nearly a week and they’ve not been neutralised. The Russian force sent to regain control was ambushed and totally destroyed. Allies special forces expertise is clearly operating with Ukrainians.
In 2023, nato officials assessed at the time that of the 97 special forces from Nato countries active in Ukraine, 50 were British. |
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"It's not about taking territory and holding it for Ukraine, it's sending a message to the russian people that they might be vulnerable which the Ukrainians have had to live with..
Also to Putin that you can keep changing your military hierarchy but there's still incompetence though that strata of governance and leadership..
But also the elites will look at Putin whose been in charge all along..
Remember the retaliatory aftermath after Ukraine launched 6 himars on the training building with 800 Russians in it on 2023 New Year’s Eve.
As those Kursh residents are now galvanised Putin ‘our children can’t sleep’. As were millions of Ukrainians.
I fear significant retaliation on infrastructure and civility targets. It is all Russia has "
He thought the attacks on energy would break them plus killing innocents in hospitals, rail stations and shops but all he's done is stiffened their resolve . |
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"Lets be honest they aint even sent a cpl of thousand troops in they will cause russia headaches for 5 or 6 days then either be cauaght or killed, so end up losing loads of experienced fighters and whatever hardware they went in with just for a bit of propaganda, like someone else has said he will retaliate just no idea how hard the retaliation will be, my self i think this war still got a good 12-18 months to run
Whatever force has been sent, it’s nearly a week and they’ve not been neutralised. The Russian force sent to regain control was ambushed and totally destroyed. Allies special forces expertise is clearly operating with Ukrainians.
In 2023, nato officials assessed at the time that of the 97 special forces from Nato countries active in Ukraine, 50 were British. "
Shh..
Voluntary advisors..cough cough.. |
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By *hagTonight OP Man 14 weeks ago
From the land of haribos. |
"In a surprising turn in the war, ukraine is advancing into russia and as a result, the region of kursk declared a state of emergency.
What is your view on the turn in the war and how far in do you reckon that they can come? It is good news it have changed, it will be interesting to see if ukraine is deciding to just be there or how far into russia they can get
At what point do we start sending military aid to Russia?"
Do you mean to help russia? If so. I can never see it happen, because you never help the aggressor. |
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By (user no longer on site) 14 weeks ago
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Heres a daft question but if theres a war on why are there so many fit ukrainians at the olympics akso playing football etc and not defending there country |
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"Heres a daft question but if theres a war on why are there so many fit ukrainians at the olympics akso playing football etc and not defending there country "
It's not a daft question, I think the age range for exemption from conscription has now been reduced from 27 to 25 in April this year so whilst not all their athletes might be under 25 that could be part of it..
Plus there's the moral issue, same as with the national football in the Euros where Russia are currently banned.. |
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"Heres a daft question but if theres a war on why are there so many fit ukrainians at the olympics akso playing football etc and not defending there country "
Usyk is world champion, given leave for training, and fights for his country. I think you will find the other athletes do as well. |
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Reported that Ukraine claims to control 1,000 sq kms of Russian territory. In 6 days.
The force sent to remove them has been totally destroyed, reported 400-500 dead Russian soldiers. Their trucks didn’t even leave the highway, burnt alive.
121,000 civilians evacuated.
What next ? |
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By (user no longer on site) 14 weeks ago
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Think the posts earlier proved my point by the football in glasgow tonight again ill ask why are they not defending there country and another fact they get paid for football while there country is at war cmon think about it .I did actully laugh at the comment they have trained wow surely your not that much brainwashed anyway let's hope everyone in the world is safe not just a certain few xxx |
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By (user no longer on site) 14 weeks ago
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Honestly not surprised, Ukraine could advance quite far if it had the manpower and logistics in place to do so. Russia has the biggest border in the world to defend after all and can only spare so many men to do so. This incursion shows the whole world all those red lines and nuclear threats mean nothing from the oligarchs that control Russia at the moment. |
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"Honestly not surprised, Ukraine could advance quite far if it had the manpower and logistics in place to do so. Russia has the biggest border in the world to defend after all and can only spare so many men to do so. This incursion shows the whole world all those red lines and nuclear threats mean nothing from the oligarchs that control Russia at the moment."
Is now the moment for Ukraine’s allies to step up and roll nato tanks in to secure Ukraine’s borders. |
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It will be interesting to see how the Russian people react when Putin's army starts their scorched earth tactics on Russian land. Will the Russians like returning to their homes if they look like Avdiivka? |
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"It will be interesting to see how the Russian people react when Putin's army starts their scorched earth tactics on Russian land. Will the Russians like returning to their homes if they look like Avdiivka? "
the russians will be keeping what they think to themselves,there all to aware of what happens if they dont
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By (user no longer on site) 14 weeks ago
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Encouraging that Ukraine is fighting back, however Hitler did the same thing. The only problem was Russia was so big, that they kept retreating, burning up resources such as food and fuel en route, thus effectively starving and demoralising the German soldiers. |
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By *oo hotCouple 14 weeks ago
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"Encouraging that Ukraine is fighting back, however Hitler did the same thing. The only problem was Russia was so big, that they kept retreating, burning up resources such as food and fuel en route, thus effectively starving and demoralising the German soldiers."
Ukraine has no need (or will) to penetrate deep into Russian territory. They are wreaking significant political and military damage by charging around the Kursk and Belgorod Oblasts. They just need to keep doing what they are doing to “win” |
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Assuming Ukraine hold off invasion , the next election (that you’d assume will be held basically as soon as the way is done) will be very interesting.
Zelenskyy and Klitschko are not friends, and will probably find themselves in direct opposition. |
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"Assuming Ukraine hold off invasion , the next election (that you’d assume will be held basically as soon as the way is done) will be very interesting.
Zelenskyy and Klitschko are not friends, and will probably find themselves in direct opposition. "
Churchill was not re-elected after WW2. I would not be surprised if Zelensky suffered the same problem. Klitschko could well take over. |
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"In a surprising turn in the war, ukraine is advancing into russia and as a result, the region of kursk declared a state of emergency.
What is your view on the turn in the war and how far in do you reckon that they can come? It is good news it have changed, it will be interesting to see if ukraine is deciding to just be there or how far into russia they can get "
that's what we call s*icidal move |
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"Honestly not surprised, Ukraine could advance quite far if it had the manpower and logistics in place to do so. Russia has the biggest border in the world to defend after all and can only spare so many men to do so. This incursion shows the whole world all those red lines and nuclear threats mean nothing from the oligarchs that control Russia at the moment.
Is now the moment for Ukraine’s allies to step up and roll nato tanks in to secure Ukraine’s borders. "
NO! All that would do is cause Russia to launch at leat one nuke with the threat of many more. In other words he would begin to start WW3.
Fuck that! |
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Nukes are indiscriminate, and Putin is well aware launching one at Ukraine will have repercussions.
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1. Assuming NATO does absolutely nothing (very unlikely), the fallout will potentially hit Russia next door and possibly Belarus too. Does he really want to nuke his own people or those of an ally ?
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2. However since the fallout will invariably affect NATO countries, I do see it triggering Article 5, and a conventional response at the very least would be required. |
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