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"All these Tommy Robinson lovers and racists that are rioting and doing the nazi salute with swastika tattoos, do they avoid all those non white businesses and services, etc? Will they refuse to be helped by say an Indian Dr? Do they avoid eating Curries and takeaways? Mr " Should inflammatory remarks be listened to from either side ? | |||
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"They get a haircut at a Turkish barbers, get a curry at a Bangladeshi curry house, get a lift home from a Pakistani Uber driver, sit on their Scandinavian furniture to watch their Japanese telly and open a can of Belgian beer but hate foreigners." Not forgetting singing the praises of Bellingham, Saka etc when England are winning!!! We used to deal with this a lot in the 80s/90s and really thought (naively) that it wouldn't rear it's ugly head in this day and age! Worrying times for sure!! | |||
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"They get a haircut at a Turkish barbers, get a curry at a Bangladeshi curry house, get a lift home from a Pakistani Uber driver, sit on their Scandinavian furniture to watch their Japanese telly and open a can of Belgian beer but hate foreigners. Not forgetting singing the praises of Bellingham, Saka etc when England are winning!!! We used to deal with this a lot in the 80s/90s and really thought (naively) that it wouldn't rear it's ugly head in this day and age! Worrying times for sure!!" It looks like it’s going to get worse before it gets better. | |||
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"All these Tommy Robinson lovers and racists that are rioting and doing the nazi salute with swastika tattoos, do they avoid all those non white businesses and services, etc? Will they refuse to be helped by say an Indian Dr? Do they avoid eating Curries and takeaways? Mr " Possibly some would make those choices yes. Choosing Not to eat a takeaway is not really racist though is it? And is infantilising a complex issue. If only it were as simple as forcing everyone to enjoy a curry. I personally would have thought we need to move the debate on from the fact that some people are racist to addressing why they are and what can be done about it. And integrating communities. I'm not convinced having a dig at people who don't like an Indian take away is helpful. I saw it labelled as terrorism on the BBC this. Morning. Again not sure using inflammatory and provocative language is helpful. But tbh im sure it is absolutely terrifying for some communities right now. But interesting that the trigger for all of this, a man stabbing and killing children was explicitly not called a terrorist activity.I would have thought it was pretty terrifying for them. If we keep ignoring these people's fears, I think there will always be those who can easily be provoked into mob mentality. There needs to be a meaningful dialogue to address people's concerns rather than simply throwing insults at people. And for clarity all law breakers should feel the full force of the law. Choosing which ones we put effort into catching and punishing based upon the headlines isn't a good policy. For me above all are the laign influencers who are clearly able to mobilise so much hate and violence so quickly, that is very concerning. Finding and stopping the pupeteers I would have thought was an important thing. | |||
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"All these Tommy Robinson lovers and racists that are rioting and doing the nazi salute with swastika tattoos, do they avoid all those non white businesses and services, etc? Will they refuse to be helped by say an Indian Dr? Do they avoid eating Curries and takeaways? Mr Should inflammatory remarks be listened to from either side ?" Either side? What are the 2 sides? | |||
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"All these Tommy Robinson lovers and racists that are rioting and doing the nazi salute with swastika tattoos, do they avoid all those non white businesses and services, etc? Will they refuse to be helped by say an Indian Dr? Do they avoid eating Curries and takeaways? Mr Possibly some would make those choices yes. Choosing Not to eat a takeaway is not really racist though is it? And is infantilising a complex issue. If only it were as simple as forcing everyone to enjoy a curry. I personally would have thought we need to move the debate on from the fact that some people are racist to addressing why they are and what can be done about it. And integrating communities. I'm not convinced having a dig at people who don't like an Indian take away is helpful. I saw it labelled as terrorism on the BBC this. Morning. Again not sure using inflammatory and provocative language is helpful. But tbh im sure it is absolutely terrifying for some communities right now. But interesting that the trigger for all of this, a man stabbing and killing children was explicitly not called a terrorist activity.I would have thought it was pretty terrifying for them. If we keep ignoring these people's fears, I think there will always be those who can easily be provoked into mob mentality. There needs to be a meaningful dialogue to address people's concerns rather than simply throwing insults at people. And for clarity all law breakers should feel the full force of the law. Choosing which ones we put effort into catching and punishing based upon the headlines isn't a good policy. For me above all are the laign influencers who are clearly able to mobilise so much hate and violence so quickly, that is very concerning. Finding and stopping the pupeteers I would have thought was an important thing. " Suggesting that these people are the focus of police attention “because of headlines” is a strange suggestion. They are the focus of police attention because of their actions. | |||
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"All these Tommy Robinson lovers and racists that are rioting and doing the nazi salute with swastika tattoos, do they avoid all those non white businesses and services, etc? Will they refuse to be helped by say an Indian Dr? Do they avoid eating Curries and takeaways? Mr Possibly some would make those choices yes. Choosing Not to eat a takeaway is not really racist though is it? And is infantilising a complex issue. If only it were as simple as forcing everyone to enjoy a curry. I personally would have thought we need to move the debate on from the fact that some people are racist to addressing why they are and what can be done about it. And integrating communities. I'm not convinced having a dig at people who don't like an Indian take away is helpful. I saw it labelled as terrorism on the BBC this. Morning. Again not sure using inflammatory and provocative language is helpful. But tbh im sure it is absolutely terrifying for some communities right now. But interesting that the trigger for all of this, a man stabbing and killing children was explicitly not called a terrorist activity.I would have thought it was pretty terrifying for them. If we keep ignoring these people's fears, I think there will always be those who can easily be provoked into mob mentality. There needs to be a meaningful dialogue to address people's concerns rather than simply throwing insults at people. And for clarity all law breakers should feel the full force of the law. Choosing which ones we put effort into catching and punishing based upon the headlines isn't a good policy. For me above all are the laign influencers who are clearly able to mobilise so much hate and violence so quickly, that is very concerning. Finding and stopping the pupeteers I would have thought was an important thing. " Look up the definition of terrorism and you’ll understand why that horrific murder is not an act of terror. | |||
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"Couldn’t really give a fuck how someone else lives their life, as long as it has no impact on mine. The mr " Well unless you live in compete isolation other people very much impact our lives. Every minute of every day. | |||
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"All these Tommy Robinson lovers and racists that are rioting and doing the nazi salute with swastika tattoos, do they avoid all those non white businesses and services, etc? Will they refuse to be helped by say an Indian Dr? Do they avoid eating Curries and takeaways? Mr Should inflammatory remarks be listened to from either side ?" Clearly another thread poking fun at peoples expense is a good thing to do. | |||
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"All these Tommy Robinson lovers and racists that are rioting and doing the nazi salute with swastika tattoos, do they avoid all those non white businesses and services, etc? Will they refuse to be helped by say an Indian Dr? Do they avoid eating Curries and takeaways? Mr Should inflammatory remarks be listened to from either side ? Either side? What are the 2 sides? " . The opening post is asking a question about racists. In a simple either/or the other side would be non racists. | |||
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"All these Tommy Robinson lovers and racists that are rioting and doing the nazi salute with swastika tattoos, do they avoid all those non white businesses and services, etc? Will they refuse to be helped by say an Indian Dr? Do they avoid eating Curries and takeaways? Mr Possibly some would make those choices yes. Choosing Not to eat a takeaway is not really racist though is it? And is infantilising a complex issue. If only it were as simple as forcing everyone to enjoy a curry. I personally would have thought we need to move the debate on from the fact that some people are racist to addressing why they are and what can be done about it. And integrating communities. I'm not convinced having a dig at people who don't like an Indian take away is helpful. I saw it labelled as terrorism on the BBC this. Morning. Again not sure using inflammatory and provocative language is helpful. But tbh im sure it is absolutely terrifying for some communities right now. But interesting that the trigger for all of this, a man stabbing and killing children was explicitly not called a terrorist activity.I would have thought it was pretty terrifying for them. If we keep ignoring these people's fears, I think there will always be those who can easily be provoked into mob mentality. There needs to be a meaningful dialogue to address people's concerns rather than simply throwing insults at people. And for clarity all law breakers should feel the full force of the law. Choosing which ones we put effort into catching and punishing based upon the headlines isn't a good policy. For me above all are the laign influencers who are clearly able to mobilise so much hate and violence so quickly, that is very concerning. Finding and stopping the pupeteers I would have thought was an important thing. Look up the definition of terrorism and you’ll understand why that horrific murder is not an act of terror." I think that is one of the myriad problems. That people are no longer allowed to feel things unless they have looked up an official definition and been granted the permission to do so by Google. | |||
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"All these Tommy Robinson lovers and racists that are rioting and doing the nazi salute with swastika tattoos, do they avoid all those non white businesses and services, etc? Will they refuse to be helped by say an Indian Dr? Do they avoid eating Curries and takeaways? Mr Possibly some would make those choices yes. Choosing Not to eat a takeaway is not really racist though is it? And is infantilising a complex issue. If only it were as simple as forcing everyone to enjoy a curry. I personally would have thought we need to move the debate on from the fact that some people are racist to addressing why they are and what can be done about it. And integrating communities. I'm not convinced having a dig at people who don't like an Indian take away is helpful. I saw it labelled as terrorism on the BBC this. Morning. Again not sure using inflammatory and provocative language is helpful. But tbh im sure it is absolutely terrifying for some communities right now. But interesting that the trigger for all of this, a man stabbing and killing children was explicitly not called a terrorist activity.I would have thought it was pretty terrifying for them. If we keep ignoring these people's fears, I think there will always be those who can easily be provoked into mob mentality. There needs to be a meaningful dialogue to address people's concerns rather than simply throwing insults at people. And for clarity all law breakers should feel the full force of the law. Choosing which ones we put effort into catching and punishing based upon the headlines isn't a good policy. For me above all are the laign influencers who are clearly able to mobilise so much hate and violence so quickly, that is very concerning. Finding and stopping the pupeteers I would have thought was an important thing. Look up the definition of terrorism and you’ll understand why that horrific murder is not an act of terror. I think that is one of the myriad problems. That people are no longer allowed to feel things unless they have looked up an official definition and been granted the permission to do so by Google. " What a ridiculous comment. The definition doesn’t care about your feelings. | |||
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"All these Tommy Robinson lovers and racists that are rioting and doing the nazi salute with swastika tattoos, do they avoid all those non white businesses and services, etc? Will they refuse to be helped by say an Indian Dr? Do they avoid eating Curries and takeaways? Mr Possibly some would make those choices yes. Choosing Not to eat a takeaway is not really racist though is it? And is infantilising a complex issue. If only it were as simple as forcing everyone to enjoy a curry. I personally would have thought we need to move the debate on from the fact that some people are racist to addressing why they are and what can be done about it. And integrating communities. I'm not convinced having a dig at people who don't like an Indian take away is helpful. I saw it labelled as terrorism on the BBC this. Morning. Again not sure using inflammatory and provocative language is helpful. But tbh im sure it is absolutely terrifying for some communities right now. But interesting that the trigger for all of this, a man stabbing and killing children was explicitly not called a terrorist activity.I would have thought it was pretty terrifying for them. If we keep ignoring these people's fears, I think there will always be those who can easily be provoked into mob mentality. There needs to be a meaningful dialogue to address people's concerns rather than simply throwing insults at people. And for clarity all law breakers should feel the full force of the law. Choosing which ones we put effort into catching and punishing based upon the headlines isn't a good policy. For me above all are the laign influencers who are clearly able to mobilise so much hate and violence so quickly, that is very concerning. Finding and stopping the pupeteers I would have thought was an important thing. Look up the definition of terrorism and you’ll understand why that horrific murder is not an act of terror. I think that is one of the myriad problems. That people are no longer allowed to feel things unless they have looked up an official definition and been granted the permission to do so by Google. " There is a difference in my opinion between people being allowed to feel things and people labeling tragedies with incendiary words like terrorism.... They know what they are doing when they use these terms because they know the imagery it provokes. Sometimes using the correct terminology is important and responsible | |||
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"All these Tommy Robinson lovers and racists that are rioting and doing the nazi salute with swastika tattoos, do they avoid all those non white businesses and services, etc? Will they refuse to be helped by say an Indian Dr? Do they avoid eating Curries and takeaways? Mr Possibly some would make those choices yes. Choosing Not to eat a takeaway is not really racist though is it? And is infantilising a complex issue. If only it were as simple as forcing everyone to enjoy a curry. I personally would have thought we need to move the debate on from the fact that some people are racist to addressing why they are and what can be done about it. And integrating communities. I'm not convinced having a dig at people who don't like an Indian take away is helpful. I saw it labelled as terrorism on the BBC this. Morning. Again not sure using inflammatory and provocative language is helpful. But tbh im sure it is absolutely terrifying for some communities right now. But interesting that the trigger for all of this, a man stabbing and killing children was explicitly not called a terrorist activity.I would have thought it was pretty terrifying for them. If we keep ignoring these people's fears, I think there will always be those who can easily be provoked into mob mentality. There needs to be a meaningful dialogue to address people's concerns rather than simply throwing insults at people. And for clarity all law breakers should feel the full force of the law. Choosing which ones we put effort into catching and punishing based upon the headlines isn't a good policy. For me above all are the laign influencers who are clearly able to mobilise so much hate and violence so quickly, that is very concerning. Finding and stopping the pupeteers I would have thought was an important thing. Suggesting that these people are the focus of police attention “because of headlines” is a strange suggestion. They are the focus of police attention because of their actions. " That's a Fair point. I would offer there have been many other headlines, some linked to this very issue, that have nor been met with cobra meetings and immediate policy. The hundreds a day of illegal arrivals are met with a wave and a warm meal as an example and not a recognition that they are breaking the law and should be dealt with. Not defending the rioters for clarity. Just observing that things are reported and dealt with very differently as it suits people. | |||
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"All these Tommy Robinson lovers and racists that are rioting and doing the nazi salute with swastika tattoos, do they avoid all those non white businesses and services, etc? Will they refuse to be helped by say an Indian Dr? Do they avoid eating Curries and takeaways? Mr Possibly some would make those choices yes. Choosing Not to eat a takeaway is not really racist though is it? And is infantilising a complex issue. If only it were as simple as forcing everyone to enjoy a curry. I personally would have thought we need to move the debate on from the fact that some people are racist to addressing why they are and what can be done about it. And integrating communities. I'm not convinced having a dig at people who don't like an Indian take away is helpful. I saw it labelled as terrorism on the BBC this. Morning. Again not sure using inflammatory and provocative language is helpful. But tbh im sure it is absolutely terrifying for some communities right now. But interesting that the trigger for all of this, a man stabbing and killing children was explicitly not called a terrorist activity.I would have thought it was pretty terrifying for them. If we keep ignoring these people's fears, I think there will always be those who can easily be provoked into mob mentality. There needs to be a meaningful dialogue to address people's concerns rather than simply throwing insults at people. And for clarity all law breakers should feel the full force of the law. Choosing which ones we put effort into catching and punishing based upon the headlines isn't a good policy. For me above all are the laign influencers who are clearly able to mobilise so much hate and violence so quickly, that is very concerning. Finding and stopping the pupeteers I would have thought was an important thing. Look up the definition of terrorism and you’ll understand why that horrific murder is not an act of terror. I think that is one of the myriad problems. That people are no longer allowed to feel things unless they have looked up an official definition and been granted the permission to do so by Google. There is a difference in my opinion between people being allowed to feel things and people labeling tragedies with incendiary words like terrorism.... They know what they are doing when they use these terms because they know the imagery it provokes. Sometimes using the correct terminology is important and responsible " Agree with that Completely. | |||
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"All these Tommy Robinson lovers and racists that are rioting and doing the nazi salute with swastika tattoos, do they avoid all those non white businesses and services, etc? Will they refuse to be helped by say an Indian Dr? Do they avoid eating Curries and takeaways? Mr Possibly some would make those choices yes. Choosing Not to eat a takeaway is not really racist though is it? And is infantilising a complex issue. If only it were as simple as forcing everyone to enjoy a curry. I personally would have thought we need to move the debate on from the fact that some people are racist to addressing why they are and what can be done about it. And integrating communities. I'm not convinced having a dig at people who don't like an Indian take away is helpful. I saw it labelled as terrorism on the BBC this. Morning. Again not sure using inflammatory and provocative language is helpful. But tbh im sure it is absolutely terrifying for some communities right now. But interesting that the trigger for all of this, a man stabbing and killing children was explicitly not called a terrorist activity.I would have thought it was pretty terrifying for them. If we keep ignoring these people's fears, I think there will always be those who can easily be provoked into mob mentality. There needs to be a meaningful dialogue to address people's concerns rather than simply throwing insults at people. And for clarity all law breakers should feel the full force of the law. Choosing which ones we put effort into catching and punishing based upon the headlines isn't a good policy. For me above all are the laign influencers who are clearly able to mobilise so much hate and violence so quickly, that is very concerning. Finding and stopping the pupeteers I would have thought was an important thing. Suggesting that these people are the focus of police attention “because of headlines” is a strange suggestion. They are the focus of police attention because of their actions. That's a Fair point. I would offer there have been many other headlines, some linked to this very issue, that have nor been met with cobra meetings and immediate policy. The hundreds a day of illegal arrivals are met with a wave and a warm meal as an example and not a recognition that they are breaking the law and should be dealt with. Not defending the rioters for clarity. Just observing that things are reported and dealt with very differently as it suits people. " I think I would appreciate a warm meal and friendly wave after what they've probably been through. Possibly more than a watch tower and aggression. | |||
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"Fuck sake. Dragged into a serious political chat before 0800hrs." https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/lounge/1619121 There is also boobs | |||
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"Fuck sake. Dragged into a serious political chat before 0800hrs." I don’t even know why I commented. I’m bored of this debate now. Did someone say boobs? | |||
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"Fuck sake. Dragged into a serious political chat before 0800hrs. https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/lounge/1619121 There is also boobs" I tried that buddy. I'm going back over there now. The argument is not even balanced. However there really is some balance on the other. | |||
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"All these Tommy Robinson lovers and racists that are rioting and doing the nazi salute with swastika tattoos, do they avoid all those non white businesses and services, etc? Will they refuse to be helped by say an Indian Dr? Do they avoid eating Curries and takeaways? Mr " They are being blinded....carrying out Stephen Yaxley Lennon's bidding while he suns himself in Cyprus Ironically he has become everything he hates.....He lit the torch paper and fucked off An exile, fleeing his own country as he seeks refuge from persecution? Yet his followers are too stupid to see it. | |||
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"A few months ago a black child was stabbed to death by a white man with a large sword Didn't see any protests or burning down of white owed supermarkets Its all about the grift with people stirring the shite Stephen Yaxley-Lennon was arrested in Canada and deported last month while travelling on his Irish passport so hes also a foreigner in The UK Hope all the idiots who fund him enjoy looking at his holiday photos " This exactly. Where was all the riots when Stephen Huntley committed those awful crimes 20yrs ago? | |||
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"A few months ago a black child was stabbed to death by a white man with a large sword Didn't see any protests or burning down of white owed supermarkets Its all about the grift with people stirring the shite Stephen Yaxley-Lennon was arrested in Canada and deported last month while travelling on his Irish passport so hes also a foreigner in The UK Hope all the idiots who fund him enjoy looking at his holiday photos " I dont think there’s any good that can come from comparing the tragedies but I did think a few days ago back to the sun dedicating the smallest section off the front page to the story and describing the victim as ‘Sword lad’. And the metro posting pictures of the murderer posing with medals from his sporting achievements. And I just can’t help but notice the role the media play in all of this. | |||
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"All these Tommy Robinson lovers and racists that are rioting and doing the nazi salute with swastika tattoos, do they avoid all those non white businesses and services, etc? Will they refuse to be helped by say an Indian Dr? Do they avoid eating Curries and takeaways? Mr Possibly some would make those choices yes. Choosing Not to eat a takeaway is not really racist though is it? And is infantilising a complex issue. If only it were as simple as forcing everyone to enjoy a curry. I personally would have thought we need to move the debate on from the fact that some people are racist to addressing why they are and what can be done about it. And integrating communities. I'm not convinced having a dig at people who don't like an Indian take away is helpful. I saw it labelled as terrorism on the BBC this. Morning. Again not sure using inflammatory and provocative language is helpful. But tbh im sure it is absolutely terrifying for some communities right now. But interesting that the trigger for all of this, a man stabbing and killing children was explicitly not called a terrorist activity.I would have thought it was pretty terrifying for them. If we keep ignoring these people's fears, I think there will always be those who can easily be provoked into mob mentality. There needs to be a meaningful dialogue to address people's concerns rather than simply throwing insults at people. And for clarity all law breakers should feel the full force of the law. Choosing which ones we put effort into catching and punishing based upon the headlines isn't a good policy. For me above all are the laign influencers who are clearly able to mobilise so much hate and violence so quickly, that is very concerning. Finding and stopping the pupeteers I would have thought was an important thing. Suggesting that these people are the focus of police attention “because of headlines” is a strange suggestion. They are the focus of police attention because of their actions. That's a Fair point. I would offer there have been many other headlines, some linked to this very issue, that have nor been met with cobra meetings and immediate policy. The hundreds a day of illegal arrivals are met with a wave and a warm meal as an example and not a recognition that they are breaking the law and should be dealt with. Not defending the rioters for clarity. Just observing that things are reported and dealt with very differently as it suits people. I think I would appreciate a warm meal and friendly wave after what they've probably been through. Possibly more than a watch tower and aggression." I have no clue what they have been through. But being humane is clearly a good thing. The unequal application of our laws is not a good thing. Ignoring people's legitimate concerns leads to resentment and worse. There has been a massive change in population and demographics in the last 30 years. And seems very little energy and money gone into addressing the problems (and benefits) and challenges that brings beyond ignoring many people's voices. Keep ignoring people and just telling them they are wrong and are inconsequential or worse still insulting them does not fix the issue. | |||
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"Couldn't agree with you more I think they should take the police off the streets and deploy the army" Contrary to popular beliefs the military are not trained to the same level as the police in civil disorder.. We used to buy that was when deployment to the province was regular.. For any government to do that is politically hazardous plus your telling those rioting they've beat the police and telling the police you lost.. The military can't police the streets full time, not trained nor equipped for that role at all.. Not saying it might never happen but if it did the consequences and ramifications could be far worse and as a society we would be in a proper mess.. | |||
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"Again not sure using inflammatory and provocative language is helpful. " 
"For me above all are the laign influencers who are clearly able to mobilise so much hate and violence so quickly, that is very concerning. Finding and stopping the pupeteers I would have thought was an important thing. "
"The hundreds a day of illegal arrivals are met with a wave and a warm meal as an example and not a recognition that they are breaking the law and should be dealt with. " 
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"I wouldn’t try and understand the thoughts or actions of racists. But to be really honest, I reckon a lot of the racists that you’re describing live in places where yes, they can get away with not interacting with anyone that’s not white. " 
Racism isn't logical. Those knuckledrsggers wouldn't understand the irony of eating Indian food, drinking German beer, and all the other stuff mentioned in the OP. | |||
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"nOt ThOsE oNeS 🤪" You are one of “the good ones” But you are “different” | |||
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"All these Tommy Robinson lovers and racists that are rioting and doing the nazi salute with swastika tattoos, do they avoid all those non white businesses and services, etc? Will they refuse to be helped by say an Indian Dr? Do they avoid eating Curries and takeaways? Mr Possibly some would make those choices yes. Choosing Not to eat a takeaway is not really racist though is it? And is infantilising a complex issue. If only it were as simple as forcing everyone to enjoy a curry. I personally would have thought we need to move the debate on from the fact that some people are racist to addressing why they are and what can be done about it. And integrating communities. I'm not convinced having a dig at people who don't like an Indian take away is helpful. I saw it labelled as terrorism on the BBC this. Morning. Again not sure using inflammatory and provocative language is helpful. But tbh im sure it is absolutely terrifying for some communities right now. But interesting that the trigger for all of this, a man stabbing and killing children was explicitly not called a terrorist activity.I would have thought it was pretty terrifying for them. If we keep ignoring these people's fears, I think there will always be those who can easily be provoked into mob mentality. There needs to be a meaningful dialogue to address people's concerns rather than simply throwing insults at people. And for clarity all law breakers should feel the full force of the law. Choosing which ones we put effort into catching and punishing based upon the headlines isn't a good policy. For me above all are the laign influencers who are clearly able to mobilise so much hate and violence so quickly, that is very concerning. Finding and stopping the pupeteers I would have thought was an important thing. " I imagine the poster was having a dig at those who DO have curries etc. Foreigners/immigrants (illegal or otherwise) are the UK's scapegoats of the 21st century. Civil unrest due to years of austerity followed up by cost of living crisis, fuelled by chaos makers like TR. | |||
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"Again not sure using inflammatory and provocative language is helpful.
For me above all are the laign influencers who are clearly able to mobilise so much hate and violence so quickly, that is very concerning. Finding and stopping the pupeteers I would have thought was an important thing.
The hundreds a day of illegal arrivals are met with a wave and a warm meal as an example and not a recognition that they are breaking the law and should be dealt with.
and there you go in that last paragraph re-tweeting the infammatory language you attempt to criticise in your opening gambit "Not sure I see your point but if you think the last paragraph is inflammatory and not factual maybe I need to choose better words or you need to remove the filters. Probably a bit of both. It's why words are, as someone already said, important. | |||
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"All these Tommy Robinson lovers and racists that are rioting and doing the nazi salute with swastika tattoos, do they avoid all those non white businesses and services, etc? Will they refuse to be helped by say an Indian Dr? Do they avoid eating Curries and takeaways? Mr They are being blinded....carrying out Stephen Yaxley Lennon's bidding while he suns himself in Cyprus Ironically he has become everything he hates.....He lit the torch paper and fucked off An exile, fleeing his own country as he seeks refuge from persecution? Yet his followers are too stupid to see it." I think that is over simplifying the issue and also continuing to ignore the legitimate concerns that have led to this. I know nothing about the chap but continuing to over simplify matters will not resolve them. | |||
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"All these Tommy Robinson lovers and racists that are rioting and doing the nazi salute with swastika tattoos, do they avoid all those non white businesses and services, etc? Will they refuse to be helped by say an Indian Dr? Do they avoid eating Curries and takeaways? Mr They are being blinded....carrying out Stephen Yaxley Lennon's bidding while he suns himself in Cyprus Ironically he has become everything he hates.....He lit the torch paper and fucked off An exile, fleeing his own country as he seeks refuge from persecution? Yet his followers are too stupid to see it. I think that is over simplifying the issue and also continuing to ignore the legitimate concerns that have led to this. I know nothing about the chap but continuing to over simplify matters will not resolve them. " "Legitimate concerns that lead to this" being about the media and previous government pumping out anti-islam and anti-immigrant rhetoric for at least the last decade? | |||
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"All these Tommy Robinson lovers and racists that are rioting and doing the nazi salute with swastika tattoos, do they avoid all those non white businesses and services, etc? Will they refuse to be helped by say an Indian Dr? Do they avoid eating Curries and takeaways? Mr They are being blinded....carrying out Stephen Yaxley Lennon's bidding while he suns himself in Cyprus Ironically he has become everything he hates.....He lit the torch paper and fucked off An exile, fleeing his own country as he seeks refuge from persecution? Yet his followers are too stupid to see it. I think that is over simplifying the issue and also continuing to ignore the legitimate concerns that have led to this. I know nothing about the chap but continuing to over simplify matters will not resolve them. "Legitimate concerns that lead to this" being about the media and previous government pumping out anti-islam and anti-immigrant rhetoric for at least the last decade? " Those are also valid. But not they don't address the concerns of many that have been ignored and when attempting to raise them are shouted down as either far right or racist or both. Dropping what is it? 10million new people into an already crumbling infrastructure withno attempt or planning for integration is going to have issues. To think otherwise is naive at best and to bat away any concerns raised is foolish. Continuing to ignore them because it is uncomfortable doesn't remove them. | |||
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"All these Tommy Robinson lovers and racists that are rioting and doing the nazi salute with swastika tattoos, do they avoid all those non white businesses and services, etc? Will they refuse to be helped by say an Indian Dr? Do they avoid eating Curries and takeaways? Mr They are being blinded....carrying out Stephen Yaxley Lennon's bidding while he suns himself in Cyprus Ironically he has become everything he hates.....He lit the torch paper and fucked off An exile, fleeing his own country as he seeks refuge from persecution? Yet his followers are too stupid to see it. I think that is over simplifying the issue and also continuing to ignore the legitimate concerns that have led to this. I know nothing about the chap but continuing to over simplify matters will not resolve them. "Legitimate concerns that lead to this" being about the media and previous government pumping out anti-islam and anti-immigrant rhetoric for at least the last decade? Those are also valid. But not they don't address the concerns of many that have been ignored and when attempting to raise them are shouted down as either far right or racist or both. Dropping what is it? 10million new people into an already crumbling infrastructure withno attempt or planning for integration is going to have issues. To think otherwise is naive at best and to bat away any concerns raised is foolish. Continuing to ignore them because it is uncomfortable doesn't remove them. " 10 million, blimey, this number goes up exponentially each week. The rioting racists are really raising any valid concerns at the moment though. Ignoring the concerns isn't the answer, better understanding of how propaganda and misinformation is used to control the population would help though. | |||
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"All these Tommy Robinson lovers and racists that are rioting and doing the nazi salute with swastika tattoos, do they avoid all those non white businesses and services, etc? Will they refuse to be helped by say an Indian Dr? Do they avoid eating Curries and takeaways? Mr They are being blinded....carrying out Stephen Yaxley Lennon's bidding while he suns himself in Cyprus Ironically he has become everything he hates.....He lit the torch paper and fucked off An exile, fleeing his own country as he seeks refuge from persecution? Yet his followers are too stupid to see it. I think that is over simplifying the issue and also continuing to ignore the legitimate concerns that have led to this. I know nothing about the chap but continuing to over simplify matters will not resolve them. "Legitimate concerns that lead to this" being about the media and previous government pumping out anti-islam and anti-immigrant rhetoric for at least the last decade? Those are also valid. But not they don't address the concerns of many that have been ignored and when attempting to raise them are shouted down as either far right or racist or both. Dropping what is it? 10million new people into an already crumbling infrastructure withno attempt or planning for integration is going to have issues. To think otherwise is naive at best and to bat away any concerns raised is foolish. Continuing to ignore them because it is uncomfortable doesn't remove them. 10 million, blimey, this number goes up exponentially each week. The rioting racists are really raising any valid concerns at the moment though. Ignoring the concerns isn't the answer, better understanding of how propaganda and misinformation is used to control the population would help though." yet someone as wise and clever like you could never fall victim to that tho eh lol | |||
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"All these Tommy Robinson lovers and racists that are rioting and doing the nazi salute with swastika tattoos, do they avoid all those non white businesses and services, etc? Will they refuse to be helped by say an Indian Dr? Do they avoid eating Curries and takeaways? Mr They are being blinded....carrying out Stephen Yaxley Lennon's bidding while he suns himself in Cyprus Ironically he has become everything he hates.....He lit the torch paper and fucked off An exile, fleeing his own country as he seeks refuge from persecution? Yet his followers are too stupid to see it. I think that is over simplifying the issue and also continuing to ignore the legitimate concerns that have led to this. I know nothing about the chap but continuing to over simplify matters will not resolve them. "Legitimate concerns that lead to this" being about the media and previous government pumping out anti-islam and anti-immigrant rhetoric for at least the last decade? Those are also valid. But not they don't address the concerns of many that have been ignored and when attempting to raise them are shouted down as either far right or racist or both. Dropping what is it? 10million new people into an already crumbling infrastructure withno attempt or planning for integration is going to have issues. To think otherwise is naive at best and to bat away any concerns raised is foolish. Continuing to ignore them because it is uncomfortable doesn't remove them. 10 million, blimey, this number goes up exponentially each week. The rioting racists are really raising any valid concerns at the moment though. Ignoring the concerns isn't the answer, better understanding of how propaganda and misinformation is used to control the population would help though." It is getting on for 10m in the last 20 years. | |||
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"All these Tommy Robinson lovers and racists that are rioting and doing the nazi salute with swastika tattoos, do they avoid all those non white businesses and services, etc? Will they refuse to be helped by say an Indian Dr? Do they avoid eating Curries and takeaways? Mr They are being blinded....carrying out Stephen Yaxley Lennon's bidding while he suns himself in Cyprus Ironically he has become everything he hates.....He lit the torch paper and fucked off An exile, fleeing his own country as he seeks refuge from persecution? Yet his followers are too stupid to see it. I think that is over simplifying the issue and also continuing to ignore the legitimate concerns that have led to this. I know nothing about the chap but continuing to over simplify matters will not resolve them. "Legitimate concerns that lead to this" being about the media and previous government pumping out anti-islam and anti-immigrant rhetoric for at least the last decade? Those are also valid. But not they don't address the concerns of many that have been ignored and when attempting to raise them are shouted down as either far right or racist or both. Dropping what is it? 10million new people into an already crumbling infrastructure withno attempt or planning for integration is going to have issues. To think otherwise is naive at best and to bat away any concerns raised is foolish. Continuing to ignore them because it is uncomfortable doesn't remove them. 10 million, blimey, this number goes up exponentially each week. The rioting racists are really raising any valid concerns at the moment though. Ignoring the concerns isn't the answer, better understanding of how propaganda and misinformation is used to control the population would help though.yet someone as wise and clever like you could never fall victim to that tho eh lol" Correct, I've never participated in a race hate themed riot. In fact, I've never even committed any form of hate crime. | |||
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"All these Tommy Robinson lovers and racists that are rioting and doing the nazi salute with swastika tattoos, do they avoid all those non white businesses and services, etc? Will they refuse to be helped by say an Indian Dr? Do they avoid eating Curries and takeaways? Mr They are being blinded....carrying out Stephen Yaxley Lennon's bidding while he suns himself in Cyprus Ironically he has become everything he hates.....He lit the torch paper and fucked off An exile, fleeing his own country as he seeks refuge from persecution? Yet his followers are too stupid to see it. I think that is over simplifying the issue and also continuing to ignore the legitimate concerns that have led to this. I know nothing about the chap but continuing to over simplify matters will not resolve them. "Legitimate concerns that lead to this" being about the media and previous government pumping out anti-islam and anti-immigrant rhetoric for at least the last decade? Those are also valid. But not they don't address the concerns of many that have been ignored and when attempting to raise them are shouted down as either far right or racist or both. Dropping what is it? 10million new people into an already crumbling infrastructure withno attempt or planning for integration is going to have issues. To think otherwise is naive at best and to bat away any concerns raised is foolish. Continuing to ignore them because it is uncomfortable doesn't remove them. 10 million, blimey, this number goes up exponentially each week. The rioting racists are really raising any valid concerns at the moment though. Ignoring the concerns isn't the answer, better understanding of how propaganda and misinformation is used to control the population would help though." I’m genuinely interested in your views. Do you think it is racist to not want illegal entry by economic migrants in small boats? Is it something you are concerned about or is it something you have little concern about, the why to your answer would be a great addition. | |||
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"All these Tommy Robinson lovers and racists that are rioting and doing the nazi salute with swastika tattoos, do they avoid all those non white businesses and services, etc? Will they refuse to be helped by say an Indian Dr? Do they avoid eating Curries and takeaways? Mr They are being blinded....carrying out Stephen Yaxley Lennon's bidding while he suns himself in Cyprus Ironically he has become everything he hates.....He lit the torch paper and fucked off An exile, fleeing his own country as he seeks refuge from persecution? Yet his followers are too stupid to see it. I think that is over simplifying the issue and also continuing to ignore the legitimate concerns that have led to this. I know nothing about the chap but continuing to over simplify matters will not resolve them. "Legitimate concerns that lead to this" being about the media and previous government pumping out anti-islam and anti-immigrant rhetoric for at least the last decade? Those are also valid. But not they don't address the concerns of many that have been ignored and when attempting to raise them are shouted down as either far right or racist or both. Dropping what is it? 10million new people into an already crumbling infrastructure withno attempt or planning for integration is going to have issues. To think otherwise is naive at best and to bat away any concerns raised is foolish. Continuing to ignore them because it is uncomfortable doesn't remove them. 10 million, blimey, this number goes up exponentially each week. The rioting racists are really raising any valid concerns at the moment though. Ignoring the concerns isn't the answer, better understanding of how propaganda and misinformation is used to control the population would help though." Your point about the malign influence of the media is well made. Absolutely agree with that. What can be done about it though? Too many corporations and indeed other vested interests are making too much money out of it to change it. The number is the number and quite easily available from the usual sources. The number for 2023 alone was 1.2 million and for the last decade between 300k and 450k per year every year and 150k to 350k per year for the decade before that... Whatever that all adds up to. It's a lot. Look at gov statistics or migration watch, that show 15 per cent of our population is foreign born... 15 per cent of 64million is close enough to 10million. It's kind of semantic whatever way you look at it. It's a very high number backed up by legitimate stats. Trying to take the piss doesn't make it go away. The point I'm attempting to make is that some people's concerns are never listened to nor addressed for whatever reason. And that's not healthy and has consequences. | |||
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"All these Tommy Robinson lovers and racists that are rioting and doing the nazi salute with swastika tattoos, do they avoid all those non white businesses and services, etc? Will they refuse to be helped by say an Indian Dr? Do they avoid eating Curries and takeaways? Mr They are being blinded....carrying out Stephen Yaxley Lennon's bidding while he suns himself in Cyprus Ironically he has become everything he hates.....He lit the torch paper and fucked off An exile, fleeing his own country as he seeks refuge from persecution? Yet his followers are too stupid to see it. I think that is over simplifying the issue and also continuing to ignore the legitimate concerns that have led to this. I know nothing about the chap but continuing to over simplify matters will not resolve them. "Legitimate concerns that lead to this" being about the media and previous government pumping out anti-islam and anti-immigrant rhetoric for at least the last decade? Those are also valid. But not they don't address the concerns of many that have been ignored and when attempting to raise them are shouted down as either far right or racist or both. Dropping what is it? 10million new people into an already crumbling infrastructure withno attempt or planning for integration is going to have issues. To think otherwise is naive at best and to bat away any concerns raised is foolish. Continuing to ignore them because it is uncomfortable doesn't remove them. 10 million, blimey, this number goes up exponentially each week. The rioting racists are really raising any valid concerns at the moment though. Ignoring the concerns isn't the answer, better understanding of how propaganda and misinformation is used to control the population would help though. I’m genuinely interested in your views. Do you think it is racist to not want illegal entry by economic migrants in small boats? " No, but i do think using it as an excuse to attack mosques, asylum seekers in hotels, anyone not right etc is racist. And of course it's a massive red flag in general when someone starts complaining about immigrants, especially if they start with something like "I'm not racist but...." " Is it something you are concerned about or is it something you have little concern about, the why to your answer would be a great addition." It's very low down on my list of things to worry about. Below things that cost the UK more, eg, Brexit, tax dodgers, trident etc. below more important global issues like climate change, the various wars going on (incidentally, things that contribute to the displacement of people). Below things that are impacting life in the UK such as the rise in divisive politics, the likes Reform, and the last government spending their time attacking various elements of the population the mishandling of Covid, and everything that went on there. I picked a few random examples of issues I consider much more important, and tried to give an indication as to why. | |||
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"All these Tommy Robinson lovers and racists that are rioting and doing the nazi salute with swastika tattoos, do they avoid all those non white businesses and services, etc? Will they refuse to be helped by say an Indian Dr? Do they avoid eating Curries and takeaways? Mr They are being blinded....carrying out Stephen Yaxley Lennon's bidding while he suns himself in Cyprus Ironically he has become everything he hates.....He lit the torch paper and fucked off An exile, fleeing his own country as he seeks refuge from persecution? Yet his followers are too stupid to see it. I think that is over simplifying the issue and also continuing to ignore the legitimate concerns that have led to this. I know nothing about the chap but continuing to over simplify matters will not resolve them. "Legitimate concerns that lead to this" being about the media and previous government pumping out anti-islam and anti-immigrant rhetoric for at least the last decade? Those are also valid. But not they don't address the concerns of many that have been ignored and when attempting to raise them are shouted down as either far right or racist or both. Dropping what is it? 10million new people into an already crumbling infrastructure withno attempt or planning for integration is going to have issues. To think otherwise is naive at best and to bat away any concerns raised is foolish. Continuing to ignore them because it is uncomfortable doesn't remove them. 10 million, blimey, this number goes up exponentially each week. The rioting racists are really raising any valid concerns at the moment though. Ignoring the concerns isn't the answer, better understanding of how propaganda and misinformation is used to control the population would help though. Your point about the malign influence of the media is well made. Absolutely agree with that. What can be done about it though? Too many corporations and indeed other vested interests are making too much money out of it to change it. The number is the number and quite easily available from the usual sources. The number for 2023 alone was 1.2 million and for the last decade between 300k and 450k per year every year and 150k to 350k per year for the decade before that... Whatever that all adds up to. It's a lot. Look at gov statistics or migration watch, that show 15 per cent of our population is foreign born... 15 per cent of 64million is close enough to 10million. It's kind of semantic whatever way you look at it. It's a very high number backed up by legitimate stats. Trying to take the piss doesn't make it go away. The point I'm attempting to make is that some people's concerns are never listened to nor addressed for whatever reason. And that's not healthy and has consequences. " Are these net figures or what are they, does it include students, people who stay for a while and leave. And I assume this is legal immigration, numbers set by the government? | |||
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"All these Tommy Robinson lovers and racists that are rioting and doing the nazi salute with swastika tattoos, do they avoid all those non white businesses and services, etc? Will they refuse to be helped by say an Indian Dr? Do they avoid eating Curries and takeaways? Mr They are being blinded....carrying out Stephen Yaxley Lennon's bidding while he suns himself in Cyprus Ironically he has become everything he hates.....He lit the torch paper and fucked off An exile, fleeing his own country as he seeks refuge from persecution? Yet his followers are too stupid to see it. I think that is over simplifying the issue and also continuing to ignore the legitimate concerns that have led to this. I know nothing about the chap but continuing to over simplify matters will not resolve them. "Legitimate concerns that lead to this" being about the media and previous government pumping out anti-islam and anti-immigrant rhetoric for at least the last decade? Those are also valid. But not they don't address the concerns of many that have been ignored and when attempting to raise them are shouted down as either far right or racist or both. Dropping what is it? 10million new people into an already crumbling infrastructure withno attempt or planning for integration is going to have issues. To think otherwise is naive at best and to bat away any concerns raised is foolish. Continuing to ignore them because it is uncomfortable doesn't remove them. 10 million, blimey, this number goes up exponentially each week. The rioting racists are really raising any valid concerns at the moment though. Ignoring the concerns isn't the answer, better understanding of how propaganda and misinformation is used to control the population would help though. I’m genuinely interested in your views. Do you think it is racist to not want illegal entry by economic migrants in small boats? No, but i do think using it as an excuse to attack mosques, asylum seekers in hotels, anyone not right etc is racist. And of course it's a massive red flag in general when someone starts complaining about immigrants, especially if they start with something like "I'm not racist but...." Is it something you are concerned about or is it something you have little concern about, the why to your answer would be a great addition. It's very low down on my list of things to worry about. Below things that cost the UK more, eg, Brexit, tax dodgers, trident etc. below more important global issues like climate change, the various wars going on (incidentally, things that contribute to the displacement of people). Below things that are impacting life in the UK such as the rise in divisive politics, the likes Reform, and the last government spending their time attacking various elements of the population the mishandling of Covid, and everything that went on there. I picked a few random examples of issues I consider much more important, and tried to give an indication as to why. " Thanks for that Johnny | |||
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"All these Tommy Robinson lovers and racists that are rioting and doing the nazi salute with swastika tattoos, do they avoid all those non white businesses and services, etc? Will they refuse to be helped by say an Indian Dr? Do they avoid eating Curries and takeaways? Mr They are being blinded....carrying out Stephen Yaxley Lennon's bidding while he suns himself in Cyprus Ironically he has become everything he hates.....He lit the torch paper and fucked off An exile, fleeing his own country as he seeks refuge from persecution? Yet his followers are too stupid to see it. I think that is over simplifying the issue and also continuing to ignore the legitimate concerns that have led to this. I know nothing about the chap but continuing to over simplify matters will not resolve them. "Legitimate concerns that lead to this" being about the media and previous government pumping out anti-islam and anti-immigrant rhetoric for at least the last decade? Those are also valid. But not they don't address the concerns of many that have been ignored and when attempting to raise them are shouted down as either far right or racist or both. Dropping what is it? 10million new people into an already crumbling infrastructure withno attempt or planning for integration is going to have issues. To think otherwise is naive at best and to bat away any concerns raised is foolish. Continuing to ignore them because it is uncomfortable doesn't remove them. 10 million, blimey, this number goes up exponentially each week. The rioting racists are really raising any valid concerns at the moment though. Ignoring the concerns isn't the answer, better understanding of how propaganda and misinformation is used to control the population would help though. Your point about the malign influence of the media is well made. Absolutely agree with that. What can be done about it though? Too many corporations and indeed other vested interests are making too much money out of it to change it. The number is the number and quite easily available from the usual sources. The number for 2023 alone was 1.2 million and for the last decade between 300k and 450k per year every year and 150k to 350k per year for the decade before that... Whatever that all adds up to. It's a lot. Look at gov statistics or migration watch, that show 15 per cent of our population is foreign born... 15 per cent of 64million is close enough to 10million. It's kind of semantic whatever way you look at it. It's a very high number backed up by legitimate stats. Trying to take the piss doesn't make it go away. The point I'm attempting to make is that some people's concerns are never listened to nor addressed for whatever reason. And that's not healthy and has consequences. " Do you really think people "haven't been listened to"? Immigration has been a major issue at pretty much every election I've voted in. We left the EU and ended free movement; we've had tighter and tighter rules from the last government on moving to the UK. As a nation we seem to talk about little else. You may say it's not gone far enough, but I find it hard to say the last government (and indeed this one, in its short life) didn't act on "people's concerns"), unless you're taking about a complete ban on all immigration into the UK? | |||
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" Do you really think people "haven't been listened to"? Immigration has been a major issue at pretty much every election I've voted in. We left the EU and ended free movement; we've had tighter and tighter rules from the last government on moving to the UK. As a nation we seem to talk about little else. You may say it's not gone far enough, but I find it hard to say the last government (and indeed this one, in its short life) didn't act on "people's concerns"), unless you're taking about a complete ban on all immigration into the UK? " Recent governments have talked tough but not done anything to reduce immigration. Illegal immigration is way too high, but is a small fraction of legal immigration. There always has been movement of people and, to an extent, that is a good thing. The problem comes when the numbers are high enough to materially and detrimentally affect the standard of living of the resident population. There is also the issue of inability to integrate high numbers in a short time. Nothing has been done about illegal immigration because of left wing bleating. Nothing has been done about legal immigration because of the false narrative about "need". In reality, immigrants have been used as a cash cow to prop up the unsustainable expansion of our universities (Blame Tony Blair) and as cheap labour to undercut the indigenous population. | |||
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"All these Tommy Robinson lovers and racists that are rioting and doing the nazi salute with swastika tattoos, do they avoid all those non white businesses and services, etc? Will they refuse to be helped by say an Indian Dr? Do they avoid eating Curries and takeaways? Mr Possibly some would make those choices yes. Choosing Not to eat a takeaway is not really racist though is it? And is infantilising a complex issue. If only it were as simple as forcing everyone to enjoy a curry. I personally would have thought we need to move the debate on from the fact that some people are racist to addressing why they are and what can be done about it. And integrating communities. I'm not convinced having a dig at people who don't like an Indian take away is helpful. I saw it labelled as terrorism on the BBC this. Morning. Again not sure using inflammatory and provocative language is helpful. But tbh im sure it is absolutely terrifying for some communities right now. But interesting that the trigger for all of this, a man stabbing and killing children was explicitly not called a terrorist activity.I would have thought it was pretty terrifying for them. If we keep ignoring these people's fears, I think there will always be those who can easily be provoked into mob mentality. There needs to be a meaningful dialogue to address people's concerns rather than simply throwing insults at people. And for clarity all law breakers should feel the full force of the law. Choosing which ones we put effort into catching and punishing based upon the headlines isn't a good policy. For me above all are the laign influencers who are clearly able to mobilise so much hate and violence so quickly, that is very concerning. Finding and stopping the pupeteers I would have thought was an important thing. Suggesting that these people are the focus of police attention “because of headlines” is a strange suggestion. They are the focus of police attention because of their actions. That's a Fair point. I would offer there have been many other headlines, some linked to this very issue, that have nor been met with cobra meetings and immediate policy. The hundreds a day of illegal arrivals are met with a wave and a warm meal as an example and not a recognition that they are breaking the law and should be dealt with. Not defending the rioters for clarity. Just observing that things are reported and dealt with very differently as it suits people. " Reported very differently because they are clearly very different things, and different threat levels. | |||
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"All these Tommy Robinson lovers and racists that are rioting and doing the nazi salute with swastika tattoos, do they avoid all those non white businesses and services, etc? Will they refuse to be helped by say an Indian Dr? Do they avoid eating Curries and takeaways? Mr They are being blinded....carrying out Stephen Yaxley Lennon's bidding while he suns himself in Cyprus Ironically he has become everything he hates.....He lit the torch paper and fucked off An exile, fleeing his own country as he seeks refuge from persecution? Yet his followers are too stupid to see it. I think that is over simplifying the issue and also continuing to ignore the legitimate concerns that have led to this. I know nothing about the chap but continuing to over simplify matters will not resolve them. "Legitimate concerns that lead to this" being about the media and previous government pumping out anti-islam and anti-immigrant rhetoric for at least the last decade? Those are also valid. But not they don't address the concerns of many that have been ignored and when attempting to raise them are shouted down as either far right or racist or both. Dropping what is it? 10million new people into an already crumbling infrastructure withno attempt or planning for integration is going to have issues. To think otherwise is naive at best and to bat away any concerns raised is foolish. Continuing to ignore them because it is uncomfortable doesn't remove them. 10 million, blimey, this number goes up exponentially each week. The rioting racists are really raising any valid concerns at the moment though. Ignoring the concerns isn't the answer, better understanding of how propaganda and misinformation is used to control the population would help though. Your point about the malign influence of the media is well made. Absolutely agree with that. What can be done about it though? Too many corporations and indeed other vested interests are making too much money out of it to change it. The number is the number and quite easily available from the usual sources. The number for 2023 alone was 1.2 million and for the last decade between 300k and 450k per year every year and 150k to 350k per year for the decade before that... Whatever that all adds up to. It's a lot. Look at gov statistics or migration watch, that show 15 per cent of our population is foreign born... 15 per cent of 64million is close enough to 10million. It's kind of semantic whatever way you look at it. It's a very high number backed up by legitimate stats. Trying to take the piss doesn't make it go away. The point I'm attempting to make is that some people's concerns are never listened to nor addressed for whatever reason. And that's not healthy and has consequences. Do you really think people "haven't been listened to"? Immigration has been a major issue at pretty much every election I've voted in. We left the EU and ended free movement; we've had tighter and tighter rules from the last government on moving to the UK. As a nation we seem to talk about little else. You may say it's not gone far enough, but I find it hard to say the last government (and indeed this one, in its short life) didn't act on "people's concerns"), unless you're taking about a complete ban on all immigration into the UK? " Well said, and fair assessment. I also find the reference to “consequences” by the previous poster (and others), quite sinister. They will deny it, but they are excusing the riots and assaults, suggesting that such behaviour is a normal outcome, a normal consequence. | |||
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"All these Tommy Robinson lovers and racists that are rioting and doing the nazi salute with swastika tattoos, do they avoid all those non white businesses and services, etc? Will they refuse to be helped by say an Indian Dr? Do they avoid eating Curries and takeaways? Mr They are being blinded....carrying out Stephen Yaxley Lennon's bidding while he suns himself in Cyprus Ironically he has become everything he hates.....He lit the torch paper and fucked off An exile, fleeing his own country as he seeks refuge from persecution? Yet his followers are too stupid to see it. I think that is over simplifying the issue and also continuing to ignore the legitimate concerns that have led to this. I know nothing about the chap but continuing to over simplify matters will not resolve them. "Legitimate concerns that lead to this" being about the media and previous government pumping out anti-islam and anti-immigrant rhetoric for at least the last decade? Those are also valid. But not they don't address the concerns of many that have been ignored and when attempting to raise them are shouted down as either far right or racist or both. Dropping what is it? 10million new people into an already crumbling infrastructure withno attempt or planning for integration is going to have issues. To think otherwise is naive at best and to bat away any concerns raised is foolish. Continuing to ignore them because it is uncomfortable doesn't remove them. 10 million, blimey, this number goes up exponentially each week. The rioting racists are really raising any valid concerns at the moment though. Ignoring the concerns isn't the answer, better understanding of how propaganda and misinformation is used to control the population would help though. Your point about the malign influence of the media is well made. Absolutely agree with that. What can be done about it though? Too many corporations and indeed other vested interests are making too much money out of it to change it. The number is the number and quite easily available from the usual sources. The number for 2023 alone was 1.2 million and for the last decade between 300k and 450k per year every year and 150k to 350k per year for the decade before that... Whatever that all adds up to. It's a lot. Look at gov statistics or migration watch, that show 15 per cent of our population is foreign born... 15 per cent of 64million is close enough to 10million. It's kind of semantic whatever way you look at it. It's a very high number backed up by legitimate stats. Trying to take the piss doesn't make it go away. The point I'm attempting to make is that some people's concerns are never listened to nor addressed for whatever reason. And that's not healthy and has consequences. Do you really think people "haven't been listened to"? Immigration has been a major issue at pretty much every election I've voted in. We left the EU and ended free movement; we've had tighter and tighter rules from the last government on moving to the UK. As a nation we seem to talk about little else. You may say it's not gone far enough, but I find it hard to say the last government (and indeed this one, in its short life) didn't act on "people's concerns"), unless you're taking about a complete ban on all immigration into the UK? " Yes that's a fair point. It certainly has grabbed headlines at times but like inthe last week, it's mostly been about racism and thuggery and crime than setting out policies of how they will address the issues. And for all of the headlines over the last year's, the numbers have still increased. But yes you're right it's certainly been used in taglines in headlines. | |||
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"All these Tommy Robinson lovers and racists that are rioting and doing the nazi salute with swastika tattoos, do they avoid all those non white businesses and services, etc? Will they refuse to be helped by say an Indian Dr? Do they avoid eating Curries and takeaways? Mr They are being blinded....carrying out Stephen Yaxley Lennon's bidding while he suns himself in Cyprus Ironically he has become everything he hates.....He lit the torch paper and fucked off An exile, fleeing his own country as he seeks refuge from persecution? Yet his followers are too stupid to see it. I think that is over simplifying the issue and also continuing to ignore the legitimate concerns that have led to this. I know nothing about the chap but continuing to over simplify matters will not resolve them. "Legitimate concerns that lead to this" being about the media and previous government pumping out anti-islam and anti-immigrant rhetoric for at least the last decade? Those are also valid. But not they don't address the concerns of many that have been ignored and when attempting to raise them are shouted down as either far right or racist or both. Dropping what is it? 10million new people into an already crumbling infrastructure withno attempt or planning for integration is going to have issues. To think otherwise is naive at best and to bat away any concerns raised is foolish. Continuing to ignore them because it is uncomfortable doesn't remove them. 10 million, blimey, this number goes up exponentially each week. The rioting racists are really raising any valid concerns at the moment though. Ignoring the concerns isn't the answer, better understanding of how propaganda and misinformation is used to control the population would help though. Your point about the malign influence of the media is well made. Absolutely agree with that. What can be done about it though? Too many corporations and indeed other vested interests are making too much money out of it to change it. The number is the number and quite easily available from the usual sources. The number for 2023 alone was 1.2 million and for the last decade between 300k and 450k per year every year and 150k to 350k per year for the decade before that... Whatever that all adds up to. It's a lot. Look at gov statistics or migration watch, that show 15 per cent of our population is foreign born... 15 per cent of 64million is close enough to 10million. It's kind of semantic whatever way you look at it. It's a very high number backed up by legitimate stats. Trying to take the piss doesn't make it go away. The point I'm attempting to make is that some people's concerns are never listened to nor addressed for whatever reason. And that's not healthy and has consequences. Do you really think people "haven't been listened to"? Immigration has been a major issue at pretty much every election I've voted in. We left the EU and ended free movement; we've had tighter and tighter rules from the last government on moving to the UK. As a nation we seem to talk about little else. You may say it's not gone far enough, but I find it hard to say the last government (and indeed this one, in its short life) didn't act on "people's concerns"), unless you're taking about a complete ban on all immigration into the UK? Well said, and fair assessment. I also find the reference to “consequences” by the previous poster (and others), quite sinister. They will deny it, but they are excusing the riots and assaults, suggesting that such behaviour is a normal outcome, a normal consequence. " No Jimmy. I haven't seen anybody defending or excusing The riots or assaults. They are criminal and need to be punished. Just like all criminal activities should be. And for all the attempts to besmirch people who have different views. If we want to look at why they happened and learn to prevent them in future then surely it's sensible to look at what's been happening? | |||
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"All these Tommy Robinson lovers and racists that are rioting and doing the nazi salute with swastika tattoos, do they avoid all those non white businesses and services, etc? Will they refuse to be helped by say an Indian Dr? Do they avoid eating Curries and takeaways? Mr Possibly some would make those choices yes. Choosing Not to eat a takeaway is not really racist though is it? And is infantilising a complex issue. If only it were as simple as forcing everyone to enjoy a curry. I personally would have thought we need to move the debate on from the fact that some people are racist to addressing why they are and what can be done about it. And integrating communities. I'm not convinced having a dig at people who don't like an Indian take away is helpful. I saw it labelled as terrorism on the BBC this. Morning. Again not sure using inflammatory and provocative language is helpful. But tbh im sure it is absolutely terrifying for some communities right now. But interesting that the trigger for all of this, a man stabbing and killing children was explicitly not called a terrorist activity.I would have thought it was pretty terrifying for them. If we keep ignoring these people's fears, I think there will always be those who can easily be provoked into mob mentality. There needs to be a meaningful dialogue to address people's concerns rather than simply throwing insults at people. And for clarity all law breakers should feel the full force of the law. Choosing which ones we put effort into catching and punishing based upon the headlines isn't a good policy. For me above all are the laign influencers who are clearly able to mobilise so much hate and violence so quickly, that is very concerning. Finding and stopping the pupeteers I would have thought was an important thing. Suggesting that these people are the focus of police attention “because of headlines” is a strange suggestion. They are the focus of police attention because of their actions. That's a Fair point. I would offer there have been many other headlines, some linked to this very issue, that have nor been met with cobra meetings and immediate policy. The hundreds a day of illegal arrivals are met with a wave and a warm meal as an example and not a recognition that they are breaking the law and should be dealt with. Not defending the rioters for clarity. Just observing that things are reported and dealt with very differently as it suits people. Reported very differently because they are clearly very different things, and different threat levels. " Well certainly so. One resulted in the death of 3 children and one has not. It will be interesting to see what drove the young lad to commit his atrocities and if there is anything we can learn from. As for the practicalities of using terrorism "laws" to deal with the rioters. I don't know enough about them to comment sensibly beyond, so long as our laws are applied fairly and equally to all, that is all we can ask for. | |||
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" Nothing has been done about illegal immigration because of left wing bleating. What should be done? How do they do that? Is it legal? In reality, immigrants have been used as a cash cow to prop up the unsustainable expansion of our universities (Blame Tony Blair) and as cheap labour to undercut the indigenous population. Isn’t there a minimum salary requirement for anyone coming into the UK on a work Visa? Aren’t students required to leave after completing uni? There were 467k student visas issued the second highest number recorded along with 143k issued to student dependents in 2023. There are 452k non EU students enrolled in higher education in the UK. Interesting clipping here "As of August 2023, the Home Office has not provided data on the number of people who have overstayed their visas in the UK over the past three years. The most recent statistics available are from the year ending March 2020, which showed that 1.9 million visas expired during that time. ".. Sky news attributed. So to your question aren't they required to leave? Who knows if they are or if they do. Certainly not the home office. " Wow that is poor! I am not sure I understand or have sympathy for the concept of student dependents? What sort of courses (presumably processional qualifications or post Grad only) are these students studying? Bringing family over? That doesn’t sit right with me but cannot articulate why yet. Surely it can’t be THAT hard to keep track of students on visas? Surely there could be a process (perhaps there is) of regular check ins all the way up to graduation? Perhaps, as universities are making huge money from foreign students, they need to be accountable for their student body? | |||
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"All these Tommy Robinson lovers and racists that are rioting and doing the nazi salute with swastika tattoos, do they avoid all those non white businesses and services, etc? Will they refuse to be helped by say an Indian Dr? Do they avoid eating Curries and takeaways? Mr Possibly some would make those choices yes. Choosing Not to eat a takeaway is not really racist though is it? And is infantilising a complex issue. If only it were as simple as forcing everyone to enjoy a curry. I personally would have thought we need to move the debate on from the fact that some people are racist to addressing why they are and what can be done about it. And integrating communities. I'm not convinced having a dig at people who don't like an Indian take away is helpful. I saw it labelled as terrorism on the BBC this. Morning. Again not sure using inflammatory and provocative language is helpful. But tbh im sure it is absolutely terrifying for some communities right now. But interesting that the trigger for all of this, a man stabbing and killing children was explicitly not called a terrorist activity.I would have thought it was pretty terrifying for them. If we keep ignoring these people's fears, I think there will always be those who can easily be provoked into mob mentality. There needs to be a meaningful dialogue to address people's concerns rather than simply throwing insults at people. And for clarity all law breakers should feel the full force of the law. Choosing which ones we put effort into catching and punishing based upon the headlines isn't a good policy. For me above all are the laign influencers who are clearly able to mobilise so much hate and violence so quickly, that is very concerning. Finding and stopping the pupeteers I would have thought was an important thing. Suggesting that these people are the focus of police attention “because of headlines” is a strange suggestion. They are the focus of police attention because of their actions. That's a Fair point. I would offer there have been many other headlines, some linked to this very issue, that have nor been met with cobra meetings and immediate policy. The hundreds a day of illegal arrivals are met with a wave and a warm meal as an example and not a recognition that they are breaking the law and should be dealt with. Not defending the rioters for clarity. Just observing that things are reported and dealt with very differently as it suits people. Reported very differently because they are clearly very different things, and different threat levels. Well certainly so. One resulted in the death of 3 children and one has not. It will be interesting to see what drove the young lad to commit his atrocities and if there is anything we can learn from. As for the practicalities of using terrorism "laws" to deal with the rioters. I don't know enough about them to comment sensibly beyond, so long as our laws are applied fairly and equally to all, that is all we can ask for. " Please, please, please would posters do a bit of editing when quoting. There is no need to attach the entire previous narrative ad nauseam. This syndrome always seems particularly bad in the politics section. Often the reply is merely a few words or even just an emoji. It makes the 'Thread got too long' closure onthe mere basis of reaching 175 somewhat laughable. Cue yet another repeat of 'All these Tommy Robinson..'... | |||
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"All these Tommy Robinson lovers and racists that are rioting and doing the nazi salute with swastika tattoos, do they avoid all those non white businesses and services, etc? Will they refuse to be helped by say an Indian Dr? Do they avoid eating Curries and takeaways? Mr Possibly some would make those choices yes. Choosing Not to eat a takeaway is not really racist though is it? And is infantilising a complex issue. If only it were as simple as forcing everyone to enjoy a curry. I personally would have thought we need to move the debate on from the fact that some people are racist to addressing why they are and what can be done about it. And integrating communities. I'm not convinced having a dig at people who don't like an Indian take away is helpful. I saw it labelled as terrorism on the BBC this. Morning. Again not sure using inflammatory and provocative language is helpful. But tbh im sure it is absolutely terrifying for some communities right now. But interesting that the trigger for all of this, a man stabbing and killing children was explicitly not called a terrorist activity.I would have thought it was pretty terrifying for them. If we keep ignoring these people's fears, I think there will always be those who can easily be provoked into mob mentality. There needs to be a meaningful dialogue to address people's concerns rather than simply throwing insults at people. And for clarity all law breakers should feel the full force of the law. Choosing which ones we put effort into catching and punishing based upon the headlines isn't a good policy. For me above all are the laign influencers who are clearly able to mobilise so much hate and violence so quickly, that is very concerning. Finding and stopping the pupeteers I would have thought was an important thing. Suggesting that these people are the focus of police attention “because of headlines” is a strange suggestion. They are the focus of police attention because of their actions. That's a Fair point. I would offer there have been many other headlines, some linked to this very issue, that have nor been met with cobra meetings and immediate policy. The hundreds a day of illegal arrivals are met with a wave and a warm meal as an example and not a recognition that they are breaking the law and should be dealt with. Not defending the rioters for clarity. Just observing that things are reported and dealt with very differently as it suits people. Reported very differently because they are clearly very different things, and different threat levels. Well certainly so. One resulted in the death of 3 children and one has not. It will be interesting to see what drove the young lad to commit his atrocities and if there is anything we can learn from. As for the practicalities of using terrorism "laws" to deal with the rioters. I don't know enough about them to comment sensibly beyond, so long as our laws are applied fairly and equally to all, that is all we can ask for. Please, please, please would posters do a bit of editing when quoting. There is no need to attach the entire previous narrative ad nauseam. This syndrome always seems particularly bad in the politics section. Often the reply is merely a few words or even just an emoji. It makes the 'Thread got too long' closure onthe mere basis of reaching 175 somewhat laughable. Cue yet another repeat of 'All these Tommy Robinson..'..." But you didn’t 
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"All these Tommy Robinson lovers and racists that are rioting and doing the nazi salute with swastika tattoos, do they avoid all those non white businesses and services, etc? Will they refuse to be helped by say an Indian Dr? Do they avoid eating Curries and takeaways? Mr Possibly some would make those choices yes. Choosing Not to eat a takeaway is not really racist though is it? And is infantilising a complex issue. If only it were as simple as forcing everyone to enjoy a curry. I personally would have thought we need to move the debate on from the fact that some people are racist to addressing why they are and what can be done about it. And integrating communities. I'm not convinced having a dig at people who don't like an Indian take away is helpful. I saw it labelled as terrorism on the BBC this. Morning. Again not sure using inflammatory and provocative language is helpful. But tbh im sure it is absolutely terrifying for some communities right now. But interesting that the trigger for all of this, a man stabbing and killing children was explicitly not called a terrorist activity.I would have thought it was pretty terrifying for them. If we keep ignoring these people's fears, I think there will always be those who can easily be provoked into mob mentality. There needs to be a meaningful dialogue to address people's concerns rather than simply throwing insults at people. And for clarity all law breakers should feel the full force of the law. Choosing which ones we put effort into catching and punishing based upon the headlines isn't a good policy. For me above all are the laign influencers who are clearly able to mobilise so much hate and violence so quickly, that is very concerning. Finding and stopping the pupeteers I would have thought was an important thing. Suggesting that these people are the focus of police attention “because of headlines” is a strange suggestion. They are the focus of police attention because of their actions. That's a Fair point. I would offer there have been many other headlines, some linked to this very issue, that have nor been met with cobra meetings and immediate policy. The hundreds a day of illegal arrivals are met with a wave and a warm meal as an example and not a recognition that they are breaking the law and should be dealt with. Not defending the rioters for clarity. Just observing that things are reported and dealt with very differently as it suits people. Reported very differently because they are clearly very different things, and different threat levels. Well certainly so. One resulted in the death of 3 children and one has not. It will be interesting to see what drove the young lad to commit his atrocities and if there is anything we can learn from. As for the practicalities of using terrorism "laws" to deal with the rioters. I don't know enough about them to comment sensibly beyond, so long as our laws are applied fairly and equally to all, that is all we can ask for. Please, please, please would posters do a bit of editing when quoting. There is no need to attach the entire previous narrative ad nauseam. This syndrome always seems particularly bad in the politics section. Often the reply is merely a few words or even just an emoji. It makes the 'Thread got too long' closure onthe mere basis of reaching 175 somewhat laughable. Cue yet another repeat of 'All these Tommy Robinson..'... But you didn’t
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" Nothing has been done about illegal immigration because of left wing bleating. What should be done? How do they do that? Is it legal? In reality, immigrants have been used as a cash cow to prop up the unsustainable expansion of our universities (Blame Tony Blair) and as cheap labour to undercut the indigenous population. Isn’t there a minimum salary requirement for anyone coming into the UK on a work Visa? Aren’t students required to leave after completing uni? There were 467k student visas issued the second highest number recorded along with 143k issued to student dependents in 2023. There are 452k non EU students enrolled in higher education in the UK. Interesting clipping here "As of August 2023, the Home Office has not provided data on the number of people who have overstayed their visas in the UK over the past three years. The most recent statistics available are from the year ending March 2020, which showed that 1.9 million visas expired during that time. ".. Sky news attributed. So to your question aren't they required to leave? Who knows if they are or if they do. Certainly not the home office. Wow that is poor! I am not sure I understand or have sympathy for the concept of student dependents? What sort of courses (presumably processional qualifications or post Grad only) are these students studying? Bringing family over? That doesn’t sit right with me but cannot articulate why yet. Surely it can’t be THAT hard to keep track of students on visas? Surely there could be a process (perhaps there is) of regular check ins all the way up to graduation? Perhaps, as universities are making huge money from foreign students, they need to be accountable for their student body?" They can't work when their visas expire, if they are caught then they'll never be allowed back in again. The dependents is supposed to be for students who have specific care needs. I don't know how it's classed if the students have dependents of their own. | |||
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"Of course 143,000 would not be a problem. I believe there are many many more than that, and still I wouldn’t have a problem. Because, fundamentally, I believe most are good hardworking people who speak English very well. But then there are the Islamists, the ones who would like to turn our island into some kind of caliphate. They would punish adulterers (death by stoning), gay people (death by being pushed off the top of tall buildings) blasphemers (death by beheading) non believers would have to pay special tax, just to remain here. I haven’t got time to list all the other ‘crimes’ we could all be done for, but I’ve a sneaky suspicion that swinging community members would be slaughtered en mass. Especially those of us who are gay, les, bi, polyamorous, tv/ts, etc. We have got to understand, they don’t like us, don’t want to send their kids to our schools, don’t want to assimilate at all. Hey, we don’t need to hate them and I’m not suggesting that we do. But we have to accept that the fundamentalists who are either already here or attempting to get in, absolutely do hate us." GBNews watcher? | |||
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"Of course 143,000 would not be a problem. I believe there are many many more than that, and still I wouldn’t have a problem. Because, fundamentally, I believe most are good hardworking people who speak English very well. But then there are the Islamists, the ones who would like to turn our island into some kind of caliphate. They would punish adulterers (death by stoning), gay people (death by being pushed off the top of tall buildings) blasphemers (death by beheading) non believers would have to pay special tax, just to remain here. I haven’t got time to list all the other ‘crimes’ we could all be done for, but I’ve a sneaky suspicion that swinging community members would be slaughtered en mass. Especially those of us who are gay, les, bi, polyamorous, tv/ts, etc. We have got to understand, they don’t like us, don’t want to send their kids to our schools, don’t want to assimilate at all. Hey, we don’t need to hate them and I’m not suggesting that we do. But we have to accept that the fundamentalists who are either already here or attempting to get in, absolutely do hate us. GBNews watcher?" Nope! | |||
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"Of course 143,000 would not be a problem. I believe there are many many more than that, and still I wouldn’t have a problem. Because, fundamentally, I believe most are good hardworking people who speak English very well. But then there are the Islamists, the ones who would like to turn our island into some kind of caliphate. They would punish adulterers (death by stoning), gay people (death by being pushed off the top of tall buildings) blasphemers (death by beheading) non believers would have to pay special tax, just to remain here. I haven’t got time to list all the other ‘crimes’ we could all be done for, but I’ve a sneaky suspicion that swinging community members would be slaughtered en mass. Especially those of us who are gay, les, bi, polyamorous, tv/ts, etc. We have got to understand, they don’t like us, don’t want to send their kids to our schools, don’t want to assimilate at all. Hey, we don’t need to hate them and I’m not suggesting that we do. But we have to accept that the fundamentalists who are either already here or attempting to get in, absolutely do hate us. GBNews watcher? Nope!" Just for clarity. I write my own posts. Don’t care what other people think. But i am no plagiarist. I like the work of some people, but if I was to quote them, then I would credit them for writing it first.. | |||
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"Of course 143,000 would not be a problem. I believe there are many many more than that, and still I wouldn’t have a problem. Because, fundamentally, I believe most are good hardworking people who speak English very well. But then there are the Islamists, the ones who would like to turn our island into some kind of caliphate. They would punish adulterers (death by stoning), gay people (death by being pushed off the top of tall buildings) blasphemers (death by beheading) non believers would have to pay special tax, just to remain here. I haven’t got time to list all the other ‘crimes’ we could all be done for, but I’ve a sneaky suspicion that swinging community members would be slaughtered en mass. Especially those of us who are gay, les, bi, polyamorous, tv/ts, etc. We have got to understand, they don’t like us, don’t want to send their kids to our schools, don’t want to assimilate at all. Hey, we don’t need to hate them and I’m not suggesting that we do. But we have to accept that the fundamentalists who are either already here or attempting to get in, absolutely do hate us. GBNews watcher? Nope! Just for clarity. I write my own posts. Don’t care what other people think. But i am no plagiarist. I like the work of some people, but if I was to quote them, then I would credit them for writing it first.. " No I didn't mean to suggest you had copied and pasted. I just wondered where you get your views from. Seems closely aligned to the kind of anti-islam sentiment from GBnews, the Express etc. | |||
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"Of course 143,000 would not be a problem. I believe there are many many more than that, and still I wouldn’t have a problem. Because, fundamentally, I believe most are good hardworking people who speak English very well. But then there are the Islamists, the ones who would like to turn our island into some kind of caliphate. They would punish adulterers (death by stoning), gay people (death by being pushed off the top of tall buildings) blasphemers (death by beheading) non believers would have to pay special tax, just to remain here. I haven’t got time to list all the other ‘crimes’ we could all be done for, but I’ve a sneaky suspicion that swinging community members would be slaughtered en mass. Especially those of us who are gay, les, bi, polyamorous, tv/ts, etc. We have got to understand, they don’t like us, don’t want to send their kids to our schools, don’t want to assimilate at all. Hey, we don’t need to hate them and I’m not suggesting that we do. But we have to accept that the fundamentalists who are either already here or attempting to get in, absolutely do hate us. GBNews watcher? Nope! Just for clarity. I write my own posts. Don’t care what other people think. But i am no plagiarist. I like the work of some people, but if I was to quote them, then I would credit them for writing it first.. No I didn't mean to suggest you had copied and pasted. I just wondered where you get your views from. Seems closely aligned to the kind of anti-islam sentiment from GBnews, the Express etc. " And if they are? Where would you suggest is an acceptable source of information? What is on the approved list of media outlets? Who approves that list? Who appointed them as approvers of what information we are allowed to acquire.? | |||
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"Of course 143,000 would not be a problem. I believe there are many many more than that, and still I wouldn’t have a problem. Because, fundamentally, I believe most are good hardworking people who speak English very well. But then there are the Islamists, the ones who would like to turn our island into some kind of caliphate. They would punish adulterers (death by stoning), gay people (death by being pushed off the top of tall buildings) blasphemers (death by beheading) non believers would have to pay special tax, just to remain here. I haven’t got time to list all the other ‘crimes’ we could all be done for, but I’ve a sneaky suspicion that swinging community members would be slaughtered en mass. Especially those of us who are gay, les, bi, polyamorous, tv/ts, etc. We have got to understand, they don’t like us, don’t want to send their kids to our schools, don’t want to assimilate at all. Hey, we don’t need to hate them and I’m not suggesting that we do. But we have to accept that the fundamentalists who are either already here or attempting to get in, absolutely do hate us. GBNews watcher? Nope! Just for clarity. I write my own posts. Don’t care what other people think. But i am no plagiarist. I like the work of some people, but if I was to quote them, then I would credit them for writing it first.. No I didn't mean to suggest you had copied and pasted. I just wondered where you get your views from. Seems closely aligned to the kind of anti-islam sentiment from GBnews, the Express etc. And if they are? Where would you suggest is an acceptable source of information? What is on the approved list of media outlets? Who approves that list? Who appointed them as approvers of what information we are allowed to acquire.? " any information aslong as it’s left wing I think lol | |||
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"Of course 143,000 would not be a problem. I believe there are many many more than that, and still I wouldn’t have a problem. Because, fundamentally, I believe most are good hardworking people who speak English very well. But then there are the Islamists, the ones who would like to turn our island into some kind of caliphate. They would punish adulterers (death by stoning), gay people (death by being pushed off the top of tall buildings) blasphemers (death by beheading) non believers would have to pay special tax, just to remain here. I haven’t got time to list all the other ‘crimes’ we could all be done for, but I’ve a sneaky suspicion that swinging community members would be slaughtered en mass. Especially those of us who are gay, les, bi, polyamorous, tv/ts, etc. We have got to understand, they don’t like us, don’t want to send their kids to our schools, don’t want to assimilate at all. Hey, we don’t need to hate them and I’m not suggesting that we do. But we have to accept that the fundamentalists who are either already here or attempting to get in, absolutely do hate us. GBNews watcher? Nope! Just for clarity. I write my own posts. Don’t care what other people think. But i am no plagiarist. I like the work of some people, but if I was to quote them, then I would credit them for writing it first.. No I didn't mean to suggest you had copied and pasted. I just wondered where you get your views from. Seems closely aligned to the kind of anti-islam sentiment from GBnews, the Express etc. And if they are? " Then it's interesting. " Where would you suggest is an acceptable source of information? " I have no opinion on what's "acceptable", but to answer your question. Anywhere that doesn't promote hate and division. " What is on the approved list of media outlets? Who approves that list? Who appointed them as approvers of what information we are allowed to acquire.? " No idea what this part of your post is about. | |||
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"Of course 143,000 would not be a problem. I believe there are many many more than that, and still I wouldn’t have a problem. Because, fundamentally, I believe most are good hardworking people who speak English very well. But then there are the Islamists, the ones who would like to turn our island into some kind of caliphate. They would punish adulterers (death by stoning), gay people (death by being pushed off the top of tall buildings) blasphemers (death by beheading) non believers would have to pay special tax, just to remain here. I haven’t got time to list all the other ‘crimes’ we could all be done for, but I’ve a sneaky suspicion that swinging community members would be slaughtered en mass. Especially those of us who are gay, les, bi, polyamorous, tv/ts, etc. We have got to understand, they don’t like us, don’t want to send their kids to our schools, don’t want to assimilate at all. Hey, we don’t need to hate them and I’m not suggesting that we do. But we have to accept that the fundamentalists who are either already here or attempting to get in, absolutely do hate us. GBNews watcher? Nope! Just for clarity. I write my own posts. Don’t care what other people think. But i am no plagiarist. I like the work of some people, but if I was to quote them, then I would credit them for writing it first.. No I didn't mean to suggest you had copied and pasted. I just wondered where you get your views from. Seems closely aligned to the kind of anti-islam sentiment from GBnews, the Express etc. And if they are? Where would you suggest is an acceptable source of information? What is on the approved list of media outlets? Who approves that list? Who appointed them as approvers of what information we are allowed to acquire.? any information aslong as it’s left wing I think lol" Is it only "left wing" that doesn't promote hate and division? That's a bit rude and condescending isn't it? | |||
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"Of course 143,000 would not be a problem. I believe there are many many more than that, and still I wouldn’t have a problem. Because, fundamentally, I believe most are good hardworking people who speak English very well. But then there are the Islamists, the ones who would like to turn our island into some kind of caliphate. They would punish adulterers (death by stoning), gay people (death by being pushed off the top of tall buildings) blasphemers (death by beheading) non believers would have to pay special tax, just to remain here. I haven’t got time to list all the other ‘crimes’ we could all be done for, but I’ve a sneaky suspicion that swinging community members would be slaughtered en mass. Especially those of us who are gay, les, bi, polyamorous, tv/ts, etc. We have got to understand, they don’t like us, don’t want to send their kids to our schools, don’t want to assimilate at all. Hey, we don’t need to hate them and I’m not suggesting that we do. But we have to accept that the fundamentalists who are either already here or attempting to get in, absolutely do hate us." They like the extremists on the right are a minority though, and yes I know full well the consequences of what one can do whatever their twisted reasoning is.. The vast majority of all types by and large want the same things in life, and as the extremists who are white do not represent me or you or the majority and the extremists who follow the Islamic faith don't represent all of that faith either.. | |||
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"Of course 143,000 would not be a problem. I believe there are many many more than that, and still I wouldn’t have a problem. Because, fundamentally, I believe most are good hardworking people who speak English very well. But then there are the Islamists, the ones who would like to turn our island into some kind of caliphate. They would punish adulterers (death by stoning), gay people (death by being pushed off the top of tall buildings) blasphemers (death by beheading) non believers would have to pay special tax, just to remain here. I haven’t got time to list all the other ‘crimes’ we could all be done for, but I’ve a sneaky suspicion that swinging community members would be slaughtered en mass. Especially those of us who are gay, les, bi, polyamorous, tv/ts, etc. We have got to understand, they don’t like us, don’t want to send their kids to our schools, don’t want to assimilate at all. Hey, we don’t need to hate them and I’m not suggesting that we do. But we have to accept that the fundamentalists who are either already here or attempting to get in, absolutely do hate us. GBNews watcher? Nope! Just for clarity. I write my own posts. Don’t care what other people think. But i am no plagiarist. I like the work of some people, but if I was to quote them, then I would credit them for writing it first.. No I didn't mean to suggest you had copied and pasted. I just wondered where you get your views from. Seems closely aligned to the kind of anti-islam sentiment from GBnews, the Express etc. And if they are? Where would you suggest is an acceptable source of information? What is on the approved list of media outlets? Who approves that list? Who appointed them as approvers of what information we are allowed to acquire.? any information aslong as it’s left wing I think lol Is it only "left wing" that doesn't promote hate and division? That's a bit rude and condescending isn't it?" your left wing and hate anyone right wing you constantly promote division on here lol | |||
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"Of course 143,000 would not be a problem. I believe there are many many more than that, and still I wouldn’t have a problem. Because, fundamentally, I believe most are good hardworking people who speak English very well. But then there are the Islamists, the ones who would like to turn our island into some kind of caliphate. They would punish adulterers (death by stoning), gay people (death by being pushed off the top of tall buildings) blasphemers (death by beheading) non believers would have to pay special tax, just to remain here. I haven’t got time to list all the other ‘crimes’ we could all be done for, but I’ve a sneaky suspicion that swinging community members would be slaughtered en mass. Especially those of us who are gay, les, bi, polyamorous, tv/ts, etc. We have got to understand, they don’t like us, don’t want to send their kids to our schools, don’t want to assimilate at all. Hey, we don’t need to hate them and I’m not suggesting that we do. But we have to accept that the fundamentalists who are either already here or attempting to get in, absolutely do hate us. GBNews watcher? Nope! Just for clarity. I write my own posts. Don’t care what other people think. But i am no plagiarist. I like the work of some people, but if I was to quote them, then I would credit them for writing it first.. No I didn't mean to suggest you had copied and pasted. I just wondered where you get your views from. Seems closely aligned to the kind of anti-islam sentiment from GBnews, the Express etc. And if they are? Where would you suggest is an acceptable source of information? What is on the approved list of media outlets? Who approves that list? Who appointed them as approvers of what information we are allowed to acquire.? any information aslong as it’s left wing I think lol Is it only "left wing" that doesn't promote hate and division? That's a bit rude and condescending isn't it?your left wing " Nope " and hate anyone right wing " Nope " you constantly promote division on here lol" If you say so. What's this got to do with your implication that only left wing media doesn't spread hate and misinformation. But of a rude stance towards say The Times newspaper. | |||
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"Of course 143,000 would not be a problem. I believe there are many many more than that, and still I wouldn’t have a problem. Because, fundamentally, I believe most are good hardworking people who speak English very well. But then there are the Islamists, the ones who would like to turn our island into some kind of caliphate. They would punish adulterers (death by stoning), gay people (death by being pushed off the top of tall buildings) blasphemers (death by beheading) non believers would have to pay special tax, just to remain here. I haven’t got time to list all the other ‘crimes’ we could all be done for, but I’ve a sneaky suspicion that swinging community members would be slaughtered en mass. Especially those of us who are gay, les, bi, polyamorous, tv/ts, etc. We have got to understand, they don’t like us, don’t want to send their kids to our schools, don’t want to assimilate at all. Hey, we don’t need to hate them and I’m not suggesting that we do. But we have to accept that the fundamentalists who are either already here or attempting to get in, absolutely do hate us. GBNews watcher? Nope! Just for clarity. I write my own posts. Don’t care what other people think. But i am no plagiarist. I like the work of some people, but if I was to quote them, then I would credit them for writing it first.. No I didn't mean to suggest you had copied and pasted. I just wondered where you get your views from. Seems closely aligned to the kind of anti-islam sentiment from GBnews, the Express etc. And if they are? Where would you suggest is an acceptable source of information? What is on the approved list of media outlets? Who approves that list? Who appointed them as approvers of what information we are allowed to acquire.? any information aslong as it’s left wing I think lol Is it only "left wing" that doesn't promote hate and division? That's a bit rude and condescending isn't it?your left wing Nope and hate anyone right wing Nope you constantly promote division on here lol If you say so. What's this got to do with your implication that only left wing media doesn't spread hate and misinformation. But of a rude stance towards say The Times newspaper." sorry I should no better to do banter on you was a joke mate no offence intended | |||
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"Of course 143,000 would not be a problem. I believe there are many many more than that, and still I wouldn’t have a problem. Because, fundamentally, I believe most are good hardworking people who speak English very well. But then there are the Islamists, the ones who would like to turn our island into some kind of caliphate. They would punish adulterers (death by stoning), gay people (death by being pushed off the top of tall buildings) blasphemers (death by beheading) non believers would have to pay special tax, just to remain here. I haven’t got time to list all the other ‘crimes’ we could all be done for, but I’ve a sneaky suspicion that swinging community members would be slaughtered en mass. Especially those of us who are gay, les, bi, polyamorous, tv/ts, etc. We have got to understand, they don’t like us, don’t want to send their kids to our schools, don’t want to assimilate at all. Hey, we don’t need to hate them and I’m not suggesting that we do. But we have to accept that the fundamentalists who are either already here or attempting to get in, absolutely do hate us. GBNews watcher? Nope! Just for clarity. I write my own posts. Don’t care what other people think. But i am no plagiarist. I like the work of some people, but if I was to quote them, then I would credit them for writing it first.. No I didn't mean to suggest you had copied and pasted. I just wondered where you get your views from. Seems closely aligned to the kind of anti-islam sentiment from GBnews, the Express etc. And if they are? Where would you suggest is an acceptable source of information? What is on the approved list of media outlets? Who approves that list? Who appointed them as approvers of what information we are allowed to acquire.? any information aslong as it’s left wing I think lol Is it only "left wing" that doesn't promote hate and division? That's a bit rude and condescending isn't it?your left wing Nope and hate anyone right wing Nope you constantly promote division on here lol If you say so. What's this got to do with your implication that only left wing media doesn't spread hate and misinformation. But of a rude stance towards say The Times newspaper.sorry I should no better to do banter on you was a joke mate no offence intended " Okay my bad, sorry I didn't pick up on the banter. | |||
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"Religion is the problem. Doesn't matter what branch, Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Catholic, Protestant, it's all evil. Each claiming to be peaceful. Yet millions murdered fighting wars over hundreds of years in the name of religion. Why do we allow ourselves to believe in something that kills so many people in the name of gods none of us can prove existed? Lunacy. Just for an ideology that allows us to put death into context, but is otherwise responsible for death on an unquantifiable scale. It's not about race, it's about money making & religion. And we all fall for it. Tragic really. " Religion and archaic government institutions that really need to modernise as well are the problem we'd say. | |||
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"All these Tommy Robinson lovers and racists that are rioting and doing the nazi salute with swastika tattoos, do they avoid all those non white businesses and services, etc? Will they refuse to be helped by say an Indian Dr? Do they avoid eating Curries and takeaways? Mr They are being blinded....carrying out Stephen Yaxley Lennon's bidding while he suns himself in Cyprus Ironically he has become everything he hates.....He lit the torch paper and fucked off An exile, fleeing his own country as he seeks refuge from persecution? Yet his followers are too stupid to see it. I think that is over simplifying the issue and also continuing to ignore the legitimate concerns that have led to this. I know nothing about the chap but continuing to over simplify matters will not resolve them. "Legitimate concerns that lead to this" being about the media and previous government pumping out anti-islam and anti-immigrant rhetoric for at least the last decade? Those are also valid. But not they don't address the concerns of many that have been ignored and when attempting to raise them are shouted down as either far right or racist or both. Dropping what is it? 10million new people into an already crumbling infrastructure withno attempt or planning for integration is going to have issues. To think otherwise is naive at best and to bat away any concerns raised is foolish. Continuing to ignore them because it is uncomfortable doesn't remove them. 10 million, blimey, this number goes up exponentially each week. The rioting racists are really raising any valid concerns at the moment though. Ignoring the concerns isn't the answer, better understanding of how propaganda and misinformation is used to control the population would help though. Your point about the malign influence of the media is well made. Absolutely agree with that. What can be done about it though? Too many corporations and indeed other vested interests are making too much money out of it to change it. The number is the number and quite easily available from the usual sources. The number for 2023 alone was 1.2 million and for the last decade between 300k and 450k per year every year and 150k to 350k per year for the decade before that... Whatever that all adds up to. It's a lot. Look at gov statistics or migration watch, that show 15 per cent of our population is foreign born... 15 per cent of 64million is close enough to 10million. It's kind of semantic whatever way you look at it. It's a very high number backed up by legitimate stats. Trying to take the piss doesn't make it go away. The point I'm attempting to make is that some people's concerns are never listened to nor addressed for whatever reason. And that's not healthy and has consequences. Do you really think people "haven't been listened to"? Immigration has been a major issue at pretty much every election I've voted in. We left the EU and ended free movement; we've had tighter and tighter rules from the last government on moving to the UK. As a nation we seem to talk about little else. You may say it's not gone far enough, but I find it hard to say the last government (and indeed this one, in its short life) didn't act on "people's concerns"), unless you're taking about a complete ban on all immigration into the UK? Well said, and fair assessment. I also find the reference to “consequences” by the previous poster (and others), quite sinister. They will deny it, but they are excusing the riots and assaults, suggesting that such behaviour is a normal outcome, a normal consequence. No Jimmy. I haven't seen anybody defending or excusing The riots or assaults. They are criminal and need to be punished. Just like all criminal activities should be. And for all the attempts to besmirch people who have different views. If we want to look at why they happened and learn to prevent them in future then surely it's sensible to look at what's been happening? " Yes there are posters who have excused the riots, and one or two posters have denied that there were riots, insisting that they were peaceful protests with some agro stirred up by infiltrators, and that innocent bystanders have been arrested. I have no interest in seeing government or anyone else trying to appease people who have behaved in the ways that we have seen. | |||
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"Of course 143,000 would not be a problem. I believe there are many many more than that, and still I wouldn’t have a problem. Because, fundamentally, I believe most are good hardworking people who speak English very well. But then there are the Islamists, the ones who would like to turn our island into some kind of caliphate. They would punish adulterers (death by stoning), gay people (death by being pushed off the top of tall buildings) blasphemers (death by beheading) non believers would have to pay special tax, just to remain here. I haven’t got time to list all the other ‘crimes’ we could all be done for, but I’ve a sneaky suspicion that swinging community members would be slaughtered en mass. Especially those of us who are gay, les, bi, polyamorous, tv/ts, etc. We have got to understand, they don’t like us, don’t want to send their kids to our schools, don’t want to assimilate at all. Hey, we don’t need to hate them and I’m not suggesting that we do. But we have to accept that the fundamentalists who are either already here or attempting to get in, absolutely do hate us. GBNews watcher? Nope! Just for clarity. I write my own posts. Don’t care what other people think. But i am no plagiarist. I like the work of some people, but if I was to quote them, then I would credit them for writing it first.. No I didn't mean to suggest you had copied and pasted. I just wondered where you get your views from. Seems closely aligned to the kind of anti-islam sentiment from GBnews, the Express etc. And if they are? Where would you suggest is an acceptable source of information? What is on the approved list of media outlets? Who approves that list? Who appointed them as approvers of what information we are allowed to acquire.? any information aslong as it’s left wing I think lol Is it only "left wing" that doesn't promote hate and division? That's a bit rude and condescending isn't it?" I wondered that too. If I don’t sign up to the above from assessment of large swathes of the population, that makes me a hardline leftie? Nah … | |||
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"Religion is the problem. Doesn't matter what branch, Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Catholic, Protestant, it's all evil. Each claiming to be peaceful. Yet millions murdered fighting wars over hundreds of years in the name of religion. Why do we allow ourselves to believe in something that kills so many people in the name of gods none of us can prove existed? Lunacy. Just for an ideology that allows us to put death into context, but is otherwise responsible for death on an unquantifiable scale. It's not about race, it's about money making & religion. And we all fall for it. Tragic really. " Religion is about power, it’s always been about power and it always will be about power. | |||
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"Look at em, listen to the way they talk. They're thick as shit. They deserve no respect whatsoever. Let them live in their mighty white ghettos and they'll soon see what a talentless, hopeless bonkers bunch they are.mighty white ghettos wow you mean council estates don’t you ?" Wow, I come from a ghetto . High IQ though | |||
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"All these Tommy Robinson lovers and racists that are rioting and doing the nazi salute with swastika tattoos, do they avoid all those non white businesses and services, etc? Will they refuse to be helped by say an Indian Dr? Do they avoid eating Curries and takeaways? Mr They are being blinded....carrying out Stephen Yaxley Lennon's bidding while he suns himself in Cyprus Ironically he has become everything he hates.....He lit the torch paper and fucked off An exile, fleeing his own country as he seeks refuge from persecution? Yet his followers are too stupid to see it. I think that is over simplifying the issue and also continuing to ignore the legitimate concerns that have led to this. I know nothing about the chap but continuing to over simplify matters will not resolve them. "Legitimate concerns that lead to this" being about the media and previous government pumping out anti-islam and anti-immigrant rhetoric for at least the last decade? Those are also valid. But not they don't address the concerns of many that have been ignored and when attempting to raise them are shouted down as either far right or racist or both. Dropping what is it? 10million new people into an already crumbling infrastructure withno attempt or planning for integration is going to have issues. To think otherwise is naive at best and to bat away any concerns raised is foolish. Continuing to ignore them because it is uncomfortable doesn't remove them. 10 million, blimey, this number goes up exponentially each week. The rioting racists are really raising any valid concerns at the moment though. Ignoring the concerns isn't the answer, better understanding of how propaganda and misinformation is used to control the population would help though. Your point about the malign influence of the media is well made. Absolutely agree with that. What can be done about it though? Too many corporations and indeed other vested interests are making too much money out of it to change it. The number is the number and quite easily available from the usual sources. The number for 2023 alone was 1.2 million and for the last decade between 300k and 450k per year every year and 150k to 350k per year for the decade before that... Whatever that all adds up to. It's a lot. Look at gov statistics or migration watch, that show 15 per cent of our population is foreign born... 15 per cent of 64million is close enough to 10million. It's kind of semantic whatever way you look at it. It's a very high number backed up by legitimate stats. Trying to take the piss doesn't make it go away. The point I'm attempting to make is that some people's concerns are never listened to nor addressed for whatever reason. And that's not healthy and has consequences. Do you really think people "haven't been listened to"? Immigration has been a major issue at pretty much every election I've voted in. We left the EU and ended free movement; we've had tighter and tighter rules from the last government on moving to the UK. As a nation we seem to talk about little else. You may say it's not gone far enough, but I find it hard to say the last government (and indeed this one, in its short life) didn't act on "people's concerns"), unless you're taking about a complete ban on all immigration into the UK? Well said, and fair assessment. I also find the reference to “consequences” by the previous poster (and others), quite sinister. They will deny it, but they are excusing the riots and assaults, suggesting that such behaviour is a normal outcome, a normal consequence. No Jimmy. I haven't seen anybody defending or excusing The riots or assaults. They are criminal and need to be punished. Just like all criminal activities should be. And for all the attempts to besmirch people who have different views. If we want to look at why they happened and learn to prevent them in future then surely it's sensible to look at what's been happening? Yes there are posters who have excused the riots, and one or two posters have denied that there were riots, insisting that they were peaceful protests with some agro stirred up by infiltrators, and that innocent bystanders have been arrested. I have no interest in seeing government or anyone else trying to appease people who have behaved in the ways that we have seen. " I have read a fair few posts though admittedly not all and not seen anyone denying the riots happened so that's New to me. I think the vast majority if not all have condemned the violence. Some don't seem keen on others pointing out the violence committed by certain groups but that's about it. Personally I condemn all those involved in violence no matter who they are or what religion they follow | |||
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"Religion is the problem. Doesn't matter what branch, Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Catholic, Protestant, it's all evil. Each claiming to be peaceful. Yet millions murdered fighting wars over hundreds of years in the name of religion. Why do we allow ourselves to believe in something that kills so many people in the name of gods none of us can prove existed? Lunacy. Just for an ideology that allows us to put death into context, but is otherwise responsible for death on an unquantifiable scale. It's not about race, it's about money making & religion. And we all fall for it. Tragic really. " couldn’t agree more well said | |||
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"Racism does not know the colour of skin. It goes in all directions. There are clips on you tube of Asian gangs in Birmingham assaulting a white person, and actively seeking out white people to assault. Also Muslim defence league openly carrying weapons. There is Asian racism towards black people. There is racism from afro Caribbean towards Africans. Idi amin expelled all the Ugandan Asians. Robert mugabe hated white people and wanted them all out of Zimbabwe. It goes in all directions. There have been genocides in Rwanda, and Zimbabwe, towards different ethnicity. It's a very complicated issue with no easy answer. I have a friend in Birmingham who regularly gets racist remarks because he is white and as been assaulted. It's not a easy issue to solve.its definitely not all about white people. " ----------------- I don't think anyone's ever suggested it's all about white people, racism afflicts all communities. | |||
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"All these Tommy Robinson lovers and racists that are rioting and doing the nazi salute with swastika tattoos, do they avoid all those non white businesses and services, etc? Will they refuse to be helped by say an Indian Dr? Do they avoid eating Curries and takeaways? Mr " Well they’ve garnered support from the other side, using similar rhetoric. This is far from over. https://x.com/aku_700/status/1822328154779709916?s=48&t=riGNlrfX3reAm-93J2ZU8w | |||
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"All these Tommy Robinson lovers and racists that are rioting and doing the nazi salute with swastika tattoos, do they avoid all those non white businesses and services, etc? Will they refuse to be helped by say an Indian Dr? Do they avoid eating Curries and takeaways? Mr Well they’ve garnered support from the other side, using similar rhetoric. This is far from over. https://x.com/aku_700/status/1822328154779709916?s=48&t=riGNlrfX3reAm-93J2ZU8w" So they still blame Robinson for last weeks lunacy? I can tell it had fuck all to do with him. He has organised many rallies and protest marches, and some have been a little messy. Don’t get me wrong, I really don’t like him. But I know he would not organise all of these protests on the same day. I mean what is the point of six to eight people turning up in a lefty - liberal place like Brighton, at an arranged time date and place? The guy is a gobshite, and I hate his guts. But he is not that stupid that he would spread his people out like that. He would have one big mob of men on private coaches, and apart from drinking, pissing, and chanting on the street, they would behave well enough not to get themselves on to a police watch list. | |||
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"All these Tommy Robinson lovers and racists that are rioting and doing the nazi salute with swastika tattoos, do they avoid all those non white businesses and services, etc? Will they refuse to be helped by say an Indian Dr? Do they avoid eating Curries and takeaways? Mr Well they’ve garnered support from the other side, using similar rhetoric. This is far from over. https://x.com/aku_700/status/1822328154779709916?s=48&t=riGNlrfX3reAm-93J2ZU8w So they still blame Robinson for last weeks lunacy? I can tell it had fuck all to do with him. He has organised many rallies and protest marches, and some have been a little messy. Don’t get me wrong, I really don’t like him. But I know he would not organise all of these protests on the same day. I mean what is the point of six to eight people turning up in a lefty - liberal place like Brighton, at an arranged time date and place? The guy is a gobshite, and I hate his guts. But he is not that stupid that he would spread his people out like that. He would have one big mob of men on private coaches, and apart from drinking, pissing, and chanting on the street, they would behave well enough not to get themselves on to a police watch list." He may not have organised the individual riots, of course he didn’t. But his fingerprints are all over this. He has been stirring for years, sowing the seeds of hate, nurturing them, lying, stoking the flames … absolutely he played a role in the riots. | |||
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"All these Tommy Robinson lovers and racists that are rioting and doing the nazi salute with swastika tattoos, do they avoid all those non white businesses and services, etc? Will they refuse to be helped by say an Indian Dr? Do they avoid eating Curries and takeaways? Mr Well they’ve garnered support from the other side, using similar rhetoric. This is far from over. https://x.com/aku_700/status/1822328154779709916?s=48&t=riGNlrfX3reAm-93J2ZU8w So they still blame Robinson for last weeks lunacy? I can tell it had fuck all to do with him. He has organised many rallies and protest marches, and some have been a little messy. Don’t get me wrong, I really don’t like him. But I know he would not organise all of these protests on the same day. I mean what is the point of six to eight people turning up in a lefty - liberal place like Brighton, at an arranged time date and place? The guy is a gobshite, and I hate his guts. But he is not that stupid that he would spread his people out like that. He would have one big mob of men on private coaches, and apart from drinking, pissing, and chanting on the street, they would behave well enough not to get themselves on to a police watch list." The way you were talking last week it was going to be a bit more than the five that did rock up.. He was doing the same thing that people have been locked up for since it started, on both 'sides' so I would imagine if he ever comes here after they've sorted his contempt of court issue he's possibly looking at other charges.. | |||
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"All these Tommy Robinson lovers and racists that are rioting and doing the nazi salute with swastika tattoos, do they avoid all those non white businesses and services, etc? Will they refuse to be helped by say an Indian Dr? Do they avoid eating Curries and takeaways? Mr Well they’ve garnered support from the other side, using similar rhetoric. This is far from over. https://x.com/aku_700/status/1822328154779709916?s=48&t=riGNlrfX3reAm-93J2ZU8w So they still blame Robinson for last weeks lunacy? I can tell it had fuck all to do with him. He has organised many rallies and protest marches, and some have been a little messy. Don’t get me wrong, I really don’t like him. But I know he would not organise all of these protests on the same day. I mean what is the point of six to eight people turning up in a lefty - liberal place like Brighton, at an arranged time date and place? The guy is a gobshite, and I hate his guts. But he is not that stupid that he would spread his people out like that. He would have one big mob of men on private coaches, and apart from drinking, pissing, and chanting on the street, they would behave well enough not to get themselves on to a police watch list." Tommy Robinson … “some” of his events “have got a little messy”, but his lot “would behave well enough …”. Strange, on one hand you openly criticise the guy, but you then absolve him of blame for the riots, and water down any criticism to “got a little messy”. | |||
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"All these Tommy Robinson lovers and racists that are rioting and doing the nazi salute with swastika tattoos, do they avoid all those non white businesses and services, etc? Will they refuse to be helped by say an Indian Dr? Do they avoid eating Curries and takeaways? Mr Well they’ve garnered support from the other side, using similar rhetoric. This is far from over. https://x.com/aku_700/status/1822328154779709916?s=48&t=riGNlrfX3reAm-93J2ZU8w So they still blame Robinson for last weeks lunacy? I can tell it had fuck all to do with him. He has organised many rallies and protest marches, and some have been a little messy. Don’t get me wrong, I really don’t like him. But I know he would not organise all of these protests on the same day. I mean what is the point of six to eight people turning up in a lefty - liberal place like Brighton, at an arranged time date and place? The guy is a gobshite, and I hate his guts. But he is not that stupid that he would spread his people out like that. He would have one big mob of men on private coaches, and apart from drinking, pissing, and chanting on the street, they would behave well enough not to get themselves on to a police watch list. The way you were talking last week it was going to be a bit more than the five that did rock up.. He was doing the same thing that people have been locked up for since it started, on both 'sides' so I would imagine if he ever comes here after they've sorted his contempt of court issue he's possibly looking at other charges.." Several people are now getting locked up for spreading online messages with the intention of inciting racial hatred. Tommy is a serial offender, and now that the authorities are finally acting, little Tommy has run away to hide. | |||
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"All these Tommy Robinson lovers and racists that are rioting and doing the nazi salute with swastika tattoos, do they avoid all those non white businesses and services, etc? Will they refuse to be helped by say an Indian Dr? Do they avoid eating Curries and takeaways? Mr Possibly some would make those choices yes. Choosing Not to eat a takeaway is not really racist though is it? And is infantilising a complex issue. If only it were as simple as forcing everyone to enjoy a curry. I personally would have thought we need to move the debate on from the fact that some people are racist to addressing why they are and what can be done about it. And integrating communities. I'm not convinced having a dig at people who don't like an Indian take away is helpful. I saw it labelled as terrorism on the BBC this. Morning. Again not sure using inflammatory and provocative language is helpful. But tbh im sure it is absolutely terrifying for some communities right now. But interesting that the trigger for all of this, a man stabbing and killing children was explicitly not called a terrorist activity.I would have thought it was pretty terrifying for them. If we keep ignoring these people's fears, I think there will always be those who can easily be provoked into mob mentality. There needs to be a meaningful dialogue to address people's concerns rather than simply throwing insults at people. And for clarity all law breakers should feel the full force of the law. Choosing which ones we put effort into catching and punishing based upon the headlines isn't a good policy. For me above all are the laign influencers who are clearly able to mobilise so much hate and violence so quickly, that is very concerning. Finding and stopping the pupeteers I would have thought was an important thing. Look up the definition of terrorism and you’ll understand why that horrific murder is not an act of terror. I think that is one of the myriad problems. That people are no longer allowed to feel things unless they have looked up an official definition and been granted the permission to do so by Google. " I think it's more to do with the difference in meaning between terrifying and terrorism. Terrorism is terrifying but not everything terrifying is terrorism. | |||
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"All these Tommy Robinson lovers and racists that are rioting and doing the nazi salute with swastika tattoos, do they avoid all those non white businesses and services, etc? Will they refuse to be helped by say an Indian Dr? Do they avoid eating Curries and takeaways? Mr Possibly some would make those choices yes. Choosing Not to eat a takeaway is not really racist though is it? And is infantilising a complex issue. If only it were as simple as forcing everyone to enjoy a curry. I personally would have thought we need to move the debate on from the fact that some people are racist to addressing why they are and what can be done about it. And integrating communities. I'm not convinced having a dig at people who don't like an Indian take away is helpful. I saw it labelled as terrorism on the BBC this. Morning. Again not sure using inflammatory and provocative language is helpful. But tbh im sure it is absolutely terrifying for some communities right now. But interesting that the trigger for all of this, a man stabbing and killing children was explicitly not called a terrorist activity.I would have thought it was pretty terrifying for them. If we keep ignoring these people's fears, I think there will always be those who can easily be provoked into mob mentality. There needs to be a meaningful dialogue to address people's concerns rather than simply throwing insults at people. And for clarity all law breakers should feel the full force of the law. Choosing which ones we put effort into catching and punishing based upon the headlines isn't a good policy. For me above all are the laign influencers who are clearly able to mobilise so much hate and violence so quickly, that is very concerning. Finding and stopping the pupeteers I would have thought was an important thing. Suggesting that these people are the focus of police attention “because of headlines” is a strange suggestion. They are the focus of police attention because of their actions. That's a Fair point. I would offer there have been many other headlines, some linked to this very issue, that have nor been met with cobra meetings and immediate policy. The hundreds a day of illegal arrivals are met with a wave and a warm meal as an example and not a recognition that they are breaking the law and should be dealt with. Not defending the rioters for clarity. Just observing that things are reported and dealt with very differently as it suits people. " Hundreds of what you call "illegals arrivals" are being delt with in accordance with the law. However that does not mean that they should also be treated inhumanely by denying them basic human needs such as food and water. | |||
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"All these Tommy Robinson lovers and racists that are rioting and doing the nazi salute with swastika tattoos, do they avoid all those non white businesses and services, etc? Will they refuse to be helped by say an Indian Dr? Do they avoid eating Curries and takeaways? Mr Well they’ve garnered support from the other side, using similar rhetoric. This is far from over. https://x.com/aku_700/status/1822328154779709916?s=48&t=riGNlrfX3reAm-93J2ZU8w So they still blame Robinson for last weeks lunacy? I can tell it had fuck all to do with him. He has organised many rallies and protest marches, and some have been a little messy. Don’t get me wrong, I really don’t like him. But I know he would not organise all of these protests on the same day. I mean what is the point of six to eight people turning up in a lefty - liberal place like Brighton, at an arranged time date and place? The guy is a gobshite, and I hate his guts. But he is not that stupid that he would spread his people out like that. He would have one big mob of men on private coaches, and apart from drinking, pissing, and chanting on the street, they would behave well enough not to get themselves on to a police watch list. The way you were talking last week it was going to be a bit more than the five that did rock up.. He was doing the same thing that people have been locked up for since it started, on both 'sides' so I would imagine if he ever comes here after they've sorted his contempt of court issue he's possibly looking at other charges.. Several people are now getting locked up for spreading online messages with the intention of inciting racial hatred. Tommy is a serial offender, and now that the authorities are finally acting, little Tommy has run away to hide. " tommy is the bogeyman that’s all a name to put to the front of the far right | |||
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"All these Tommy Robinson lovers and racists that are rioting and doing the nazi salute with swastika tattoos, do they avoid all those non white businesses and services, etc? Will they refuse to be helped by say an Indian Dr? Do they avoid eating Curries and takeaways? Mr Well they’ve garnered support from the other side, using similar rhetoric. This is far from over. https://x.com/aku_700/status/1822328154779709916?s=48&t=riGNlrfX3reAm-93J2ZU8w So they still blame Robinson for last weeks lunacy? I can tell it had fuck all to do with him. He has organised many rallies and protest marches, and some have been a little messy. Don’t get me wrong, I really don’t like him. But I know he would not organise all of these protests on the same day. I mean what is the point of six to eight people turning up in a lefty - liberal place like Brighton, at an arranged time date and place? The guy is a gobshite, and I hate his guts. But he is not that stupid that he would spread his people out like that. He would have one big mob of men on private coaches, and apart from drinking, pissing, and chanting on the street, they would behave well enough not to get themselves on to a police watch list. The way you were talking last week it was going to be a bit more than the five that did rock up.. He was doing the same thing that people have been locked up for since it started, on both 'sides' so I would imagine if he ever comes here after they've sorted his contempt of court issue he's possibly looking at other charges.. Several people are now getting locked up for spreading online messages with the intention of inciting racial hatred. Tommy is a serial offender, and now that the authorities are finally acting, little Tommy has run away to hide. tommy is the bogeyman that’s all a name to put to the front of the far right " He's not solely to blame but people like him, Farage, the Tories and any other party and media outlet that have demonised Immigrants and Refugees over the last how many year, are to blame. There are no sides when it comes to racism. You are either one or you are not. If you agree with the riots in anyway then you are one too. What happened recently was a disgrace, but people making excuses or trying to play it down are even worse. | |||
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" Look up the definition of terrorism and you’ll understand why that horrific murder is not an act of terror." ==================================== I don't have to look up the definition of anything. I know for a fact that those poor kids would have been absolutely TERRIFIED as they watched and heard their dance mates being stabbed. To have to pigeon hole, the level of how much terror there was and they felt, to justify whether you can allow it in the box marked "terrorism" is a fairly s-h-itt-y thing to say. Strange world when some ones political views makes them think like a dick. But for the grace of god and all that, you never know it could be you that has the police knocking on your door to inform you of someone being murdered and it will be great to know that you will get comfort knowing that even though someone is dead, google didnt define it as terrorism just a plain old stabby stabby murder. So that's alright, then. | |||
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"The true Far Right are an odious bunch, but government after government are giving them the oxygen of credibility by failing to act on immigration. Do you think if there was some kind of unspecified action on immigration, racists would suddenly stop being racist?" Sadly I doubt it would stop them being racists. It would just take away an easy target for them. Of course being concerned about the level of immigration does not make a person racist so we should be mindful not to tar everyone with the same brush or even insinuate it. I seem to recall the previous government made legal immigration harder on some by raising minimum earning thresholds and other things. It was mentioned on the news a few days ago that this is having an effect but not sure if Labour plan to reverse this policy or not. On illegal immigration all I heard was smashing the gangs so need to see how that plays out. I did see an interesting comment from someone saying the boat crossing gangs are similar to drug dealing gangs, in that the huge amount of money that can be made from it means new gangs will just keep popping up. Hopefully that does not happen. | |||
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" Look up the definition of terrorism and you’ll understand why that horrific murder is not an act of terror. ==================================== I don't have to look up the definition of anything. I know for a fact that those poor kids would have been absolutely TERRIFIED as they watched and heard their dance mates being stabbed. To have to pigeon hole, the level of how much terror there was and they felt, to justify whether you can allow it in the box marked "terrorism" is a fairly s-h-itt-y thing to say. Strange world when some ones political views makes them think like a dick. But for the grace of god and all that, you never know it could be you that has the police knocking on your door to inform you of someone being murdered and it will be great to know that you will get comfort knowing that even though someone is dead, google didnt define it as terrorism just a plain old stabby stabby murder. So that's alright, then." That sounds like a threat. | |||
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" Look up the definition of terrorism and you’ll understand why that horrific murder is not an act of terror. ==================================== I don't have to look up the definition of anything. I know for a fact that those poor kids would have been absolutely TERRIFIED as they watched and heard their dance mates being stabbed. To have to pigeon hole, the level of how much terror there was and they felt, to justify whether you can allow it in the box marked "terrorism" is a fairly s-h-itt-y thing to say. Strange world when some ones political views makes them think like a dick. But for the grace of god and all that, you never know it could be you that has the police knocking on your door to inform you of someone being murdered and it will be great to know that you will get comfort knowing that even though someone is dead, google didnt define it as terrorism just a plain old stabby stabby murder. So that's alright, then." I dint understand the aggression and hate in this comment. It's not like they were making light of the murders. | |||
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"The true Far Right are an odious bunch, but government after government are giving them the oxygen of credibility by failing to act on immigration. Do you think if there was some kind of unspecified action on immigration, racists would suddenly stop being racist?" No, but the racists of the Far Right are tapping-in to public disaffection with government policy on immigration. Sending a handful of thugs to jail won't change a thing. | |||
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"The true Far Right are an odious bunch, but government after government are giving them the oxygen of credibility by failing to act on immigration. Do you think if there was some kind of unspecified action on immigration, racists would suddenly stop being racist? No, but the racists of the Far Right are tapping-in to public disaffection with government policy on immigration. Sending a handful of thugs to jail won't change a thing." I agree. Jailing a few racists won't make any difference to the amount of racism in the UK. | |||
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"All these Tommy Robinson lovers and racists that are rioting and doing the nazi salute with swastika tattoos, do they avoid all those non white businesses and services, etc? Will they refuse to be helped by say an Indian Dr? Do they avoid eating Curries and takeaways? Mr Well they’ve garnered support from the other side, using similar rhetoric. This is far from over. https://x.com/aku_700/status/1822328154779709916?s=48&t=riGNlrfX3reAm-93J2ZU8w So they still blame Robinson for last weeks lunacy? I can tell it had fuck all to do with him. He has organised many rallies and protest marches, and some have been a little messy. Don’t get me wrong, I really don’t like him. But I know he would not organise all of these protests on the same day. I mean what is the point of six to eight people turning up in a lefty - liberal place like Brighton, at an arranged time date and place? The guy is a gobshite, and I hate his guts. But he is not that stupid that he would spread his people out like that. He would have one big mob of men on private coaches, and apart from drinking, pissing, and chanting on the street, they would behave well enough not to get themselves on to a police watch list. Tommy Robinson … “some” of his events “have got a little messy”, but his lot “would behave well enough …”. Strange, on one hand you openly criticise the guy, but you then absolve him of blame for the riots, and water down any criticism to “got a little messy”. " Don’t put words in my mouth, I said I hate the guy. I think he is a gobshite, but I also know that he can organise a crowd. Whoever organised what happened last week was clearly out of his/her depth. There is a difference between things getting a little messy, and trying to burn mosques and police vehicles. | |||
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"The true Far Right are an odious bunch, but government after government are giving them the oxygen of credibility by failing to act on immigration. Do you think if there was some kind of unspecified action on immigration, racists would suddenly stop being racist? No, but the racists of the Far Right are tapping-in to public disaffection with government policy on immigration. Sending a handful of thugs to jail won't change a thing." 4.2 million voted reform. This dissatisfaction is not limited to a few jailed rioters. | |||
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"The true Far Right are an odious bunch, but government after government are giving them the oxygen of credibility by failing to act on immigration. Do you think if there was some kind of unspecified action on immigration, racists would suddenly stop being racist? No, but the racists of the Far Right are tapping-in to public disaffection with government policy on immigration. Sending a handful of thugs to jail won't change a thing. I agree. Jailing a few racists won't make any difference to the amount of racism in the UK. " Population at large is fed up paying for these immigrants. Unfortunately migration dissatisfaction has been hijacked and relabelled racism. | |||
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" I agree. Jailing a few racists won't make any difference to the amount of racism in the UK. " Correct. It will force people to hide it better, or do less illegal stuff, though. | |||
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"The true Far Right are an odious bunch, but government after government are giving them the oxygen of credibility by failing to act on immigration. Do you think if there was some kind of unspecified action on immigration, racists would suddenly stop being racist? No, but the racists of the Far Right are tapping-in to public disaffection with government policy on immigration. Sending a handful of thugs to jail won't change a thing. I agree. Jailing a few racists won't make any difference to the amount of racism in the UK. Population at large is fed up paying for these immigrants. Unfortunately migration dissatisfaction has been hijacked and relabelled racism. " The population at large has been bombarded with anti-immigrant and anti-muslim propaganda and rhetoric for decades. We're seeing the results of that now. From racist riots, to people voting the country down the toilet with Brexit to people voting for those Reform clowns. What a time to be alive. | |||
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" I agree. Jailing a few racists won't make any difference to the amount of racism in the UK. Correct. It will force people to hide it better, or do less illegal stuff, though." Small victories. | |||
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"The true Far Right are an odious bunch, but government after government are giving them the oxygen of credibility by failing to act on immigration. Do you think if there was some kind of unspecified action on immigration, racists would suddenly stop being racist? No, but the racists of the Far Right are tapping-in to public disaffection with government policy on immigration. Sending a handful of thugs to jail won't change a thing. I agree. Jailing a few racists won't make any difference to the amount of racism in the UK. Population at large is fed up paying for these immigrants. Unfortunately migration dissatisfaction has been hijacked and relabelled racism. The population at large has been bombarded with anti-immigrant and anti-muslim propaganda and rhetoric for decades. We're seeing the results of that now. From racist riots, to people voting the country down the toilet with Brexit to people voting for those Reform clowns. What a time to be alive. " Selling weapons and starting wars in other countries. Add climate change migration from western consumption . Reap what we sow. | |||
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"The true Far Right are an odious bunch, but government after government are giving them the oxygen of credibility by failing to act on immigration. Do you think if there was some kind of unspecified action on immigration, racists would suddenly stop being racist? No, but the racists of the Far Right are tapping-in to public disaffection with government policy on immigration. Sending a handful of thugs to jail won't change a thing. I agree. Jailing a few racists won't make any difference to the amount of racism in the UK. " It's a pity you label your countrymen as racist, in my my view it's a tiny minority that are truly racist, although I accept people can be tribal. | |||
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"The true Far Right are an odious bunch, but government after government are giving them the oxygen of credibility by failing to act on immigration. Do you think if there was some kind of unspecified action on immigration, racists would suddenly stop being racist? No, but the racists of the Far Right are tapping-in to public disaffection with government policy on immigration. Sending a handful of thugs to jail won't change a thing. I agree. Jailing a few racists won't make any difference to the amount of racism in the UK. It's a pity you label your countrymen as racist, in my my view it's a tiny minority that are truly racist, although I accept people can be tribal." The 4.2 million that voted reform, are they racist, or just pissed with failure on immigration. | |||
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"The true Far Right are an odious bunch, but government after government are giving them the oxygen of credibility by failing to act on immigration. Do you think if there was some kind of unspecified action on immigration, racists would suddenly stop being racist? No, but the racists of the Far Right are tapping-in to public disaffection with government policy on immigration. Sending a handful of thugs to jail won't change a thing. I agree. Jailing a few racists won't make any difference to the amount of racism in the UK. Population at large is fed up paying for these immigrants. Unfortunately migration dissatisfaction has been hijacked and relabelled racism. The population at large has been bombarded with anti-immigrant and anti-muslim propaganda and rhetoric for decades. We're seeing the results of that now. From racist riots, to people voting the country down the toilet with Brexit to people voting for those Reform clowns. What a time to be alive. Selling weapons and starting wars in other countries. Add climate change migration from western consumption . Reap what we sow. "
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"The true Far Right are an odious bunch, but government after government are giving them the oxygen of credibility by failing to act on immigration. Do you think if there was some kind of unspecified action on immigration, racists would suddenly stop being racist? No, but the racists of the Far Right are tapping-in to public disaffection with government policy on immigration. Sending a handful of thugs to jail won't change a thing. I agree. Jailing a few racists won't make any difference to the amount of racism in the UK. It's a pity you label your countrymen as racist, in my my view it's a tiny minority that are truly racist, although I accept people can be tribal." So you're labeling those same people racist as I did. But it's only a shame when I did it? | |||
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"Shouldn't we all just agree that most people fall somewhere on a spectrum of racism, from benign to frothing at the mouth, whether or not they realise our admit it?" What? | |||
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"Shouldn't we all just agree that most people fall somewhere on a spectrum of racism, from benign to frothing at the mouth, whether or not they realise our admit it?" If 'not racist' is somewhere on the "racism spectrum" then yeah. | |||
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"The true Far Right are an odious bunch, but government after government are giving them the oxygen of credibility by failing to act on immigration. Do you think if there was some kind of unspecified action on immigration, racists would suddenly stop being racist? No, but the racists of the Far Right are tapping-in to public disaffection with government policy on immigration. Sending a handful of thugs to jail won't change a thing. I agree. Jailing a few racists won't make any difference to the amount of racism in the UK. It's a pity you label your countrymen as racist, in my my view it's a tiny minority that are truly racist, although I accept people can be tribal." exactly that but tribal doesn’t have that bite to it so they will label anyone who disagrees with them as racist | |||
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"The true Far Right are an odious bunch, but government after government are giving them the oxygen of credibility by failing to act on immigration. Do you think if there was some kind of unspecified action on immigration, racists would suddenly stop being racist? No, but the racists of the Far Right are tapping-in to public disaffection with government policy on immigration. Sending a handful of thugs to jail won't change a thing. I agree. Jailing a few racists won't make any difference to the amount of racism in the UK. Population at large is fed up paying for these immigrants. Unfortunately migration dissatisfaction has been hijacked and relabelled racism. The population at large has been bombarded with anti-immigrant and anti-muslim propaganda and rhetoric for decades. We're seeing the results of that now. From racist riots, to people voting the country down the toilet with Brexit to people voting for those Reform clowns. What a time to be alive. Selling weapons and starting wars in other countries. Add climate change migration from western consumption . Reap what we sow.
Rioting racists or Reform voters or Brexit voters aren't typically interested in these issues. "So because you dislike Brexit and Reform, you will lump it right down there with ‘rioting racists?’ Really?? | |||
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"The true Far Right are an odious bunch, but government after government are giving them the oxygen of credibility by failing to act on immigration. Do you think if there was some kind of unspecified action on immigration, racists would suddenly stop being racist? No, but the racists of the Far Right are tapping-in to public disaffection with government policy on immigration. Sending a handful of thugs to jail won't change a thing. I agree. Jailing a few racists won't make any difference to the amount of racism in the UK. Population at large is fed up paying for these immigrants. Unfortunately migration dissatisfaction has been hijacked and relabelled racism. The population at large has been bombarded with anti-immigrant and anti-muslim propaganda and rhetoric for decades. We're seeing the results of that now. From racist riots, to people voting the country down the toilet with Brexit to people voting for those Reform clowns. What a time to be alive. Selling weapons and starting wars in other countries. Add climate change migration from western consumption . Reap what we sow.
Rioting racists or Reform voters or Brexit voters aren't typically interested in these issues.
So because you dislike Brexit and Reform, you will lump it right down there with ‘rioting racists?’ Really??"There's a word "or". And BTW it's not me that's lumping the rioting racists in with others who have "legitimate concerns". | |||
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" It's a pity you label your countrymen as racist, in my my view it's a tiny minority that are truly racist, although I accept people can be tribal.exactly that but tribal doesn’t have that bite to it so they will label anyone who disagrees with them as racist " Yet the more well read of us understand it conveys the same message | |||
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"The true Far Right are an odious bunch, but government after government are giving them the oxygen of credibility by failing to act on immigration. Do you think if there was some kind of unspecified action on immigration, racists would suddenly stop being racist? No, but the racists of the Far Right are tapping-in to public disaffection with government policy on immigration. Sending a handful of thugs to jail won't change a thing. I agree. Jailing a few racists won't make any difference to the amount of racism in the UK. Population at large is fed up paying for these immigrants. Unfortunately migration dissatisfaction has been hijacked and relabelled racism. " What do you mean by paying for immigrants? | |||
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"The true Far Right are an odious bunch, but government after government are giving them the oxygen of credibility by failing to act on immigration. Do you think if there was some kind of unspecified action on immigration, racists would suddenly stop being racist? No, but the racists of the Far Right are tapping-in to public disaffection with government policy on immigration. Sending a handful of thugs to jail won't change a thing. I agree. Jailing a few racists won't make any difference to the amount of racism in the UK. Population at large is fed up paying for these immigrants. Unfortunately migration dissatisfaction has been hijacked and relabelled racism. The population at large has been bombarded with anti-immigrant and anti-muslim propaganda and rhetoric for decades. We're seeing the results of that now. From racist riots, to people voting the country down the toilet with Brexit to people voting for those Reform clowns. What a time to be alive. Selling weapons and starting wars in other countries. Add climate change migration from western consumption . Reap what we sow.
Rioting racists or Reform voters or Brexit voters aren't typically interested in these issues.
So because you dislike Brexit and Reform, you will lump it right down there with ‘rioting racists?’ Really??
There's a word "or".
And BTW it's not me that's lumping the rioting racists in with others who have "legitimate concerns". "What are the legitimate concerns? | |||
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"The true Far Right are an odious bunch, but government after government are giving them the oxygen of credibility by failing to act on immigration. Do you think if there was some kind of unspecified action on immigration, racists would suddenly stop being racist? No, but the racists of the Far Right are tapping-in to public disaffection with government policy on immigration. Sending a handful of thugs to jail won't change a thing. I agree. Jailing a few racists won't make any difference to the amount of racism in the UK. Population at large is fed up paying for these immigrants. Unfortunately migration dissatisfaction has been hijacked and relabelled racism. The population at large has been bombarded with anti-immigrant and anti-muslim propaganda and rhetoric for decades. We're seeing the results of that now. From racist riots, to people voting the country down the toilet with Brexit to people voting for those Reform clowns. What a time to be alive. Selling weapons and starting wars in other countries. Add climate change migration from western consumption . Reap what we sow.
Rioting racists or Reform voters or Brexit voters aren't typically interested in these issues.
So because you dislike Brexit and Reform, you will lump it right down there with ‘rioting racists?’ Really??
There's a word "or".
And BTW it's not me that's lumping the rioting racists in with others who have "legitimate concerns".
What are the legitimate concerns?"Also wondering, if the media and politicians didn't keep telling the masses that's a immigration/migration problem, would people be this angry. Maybe as a non white, I just don't get. I was born here. One of my parents was an immigrant - just incase someone is wondering! But when I think about things going wrong in this country. Immigration is no where to be seen. I'm concerned about poverty, homelessness, the violence that women and girls face, the cost of living and I could go on. I'm not saying that this is a bad country but I'm just trying to understand the level of anger. | |||
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"The true Far Right are an odious bunch, but government after government are giving them the oxygen of credibility by failing to act on immigration. Do you think if there was some kind of unspecified action on immigration, racists would suddenly stop being racist? No, but the racists of the Far Right are tapping-in to public disaffection with government policy on immigration. Sending a handful of thugs to jail won't change a thing. I agree. Jailing a few racists won't make any difference to the amount of racism in the UK. Population at large is fed up paying for these immigrants. Unfortunately migration dissatisfaction has been hijacked and relabelled racism. The population at large has been bombarded with anti-immigrant and anti-muslim propaganda and rhetoric for decades. We're seeing the results of that now. From racist riots, to people voting the country down the toilet with Brexit to people voting for those Reform clowns. What a time to be alive. Selling weapons and starting wars in other countries. Add climate change migration from western consumption . Reap what we sow.
Rioting racists or Reform voters or Brexit voters aren't typically interested in these issues.
So because you dislike Brexit and Reform, you will lump it right down there with ‘rioting racists?’ Really??
There's a word "or".
And BTW it's not me that's lumping the rioting racists in with others who have "legitimate concerns".
What are the legitimate concerns?
Also wondering, if the media and politicians didn't keep telling the masses that's a immigration/migration problem, would people be this angry. Maybe as a non white, I just don't get. I was born here. One of my parents was an immigrant - just incase someone is wondering! But when I think about things going wrong in this country. Immigration is no where to be seen. I'm concerned about poverty, homelessness, the violence that women and girls face, the cost of living and I could go on. I'm not saying that this is a bad country but I'm just trying to understand the level of anger. "It's blown out of proportion by the media, by the last government, by companies like Reform, by professional on outrage merchants like Lawrence Fox, Tommy Robinson, Nigel Farage, Katie Hopkins etc. | |||
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"All these Tommy Robinson lovers and racists that are rioting and doing the nazi salute with swastika tattoos, do they avoid all those non white businesses and services, etc? Will they refuse to be helped by say an Indian Dr? Do they avoid eating Curries and takeaways? Mr " Tommy Robinson don’t see Hindus, Sikh, Buddhist, Jews as a problem - his agenda was solely focused on islamisation of Europe and targeting Muslims - was able to sold his vile ideas stating that with Democracy( power of voting ) and Demography in next few decades many towns will be taken over by them, he isn’t just focusing on Abdul who is a taxi driver but was making statements about their offsprings, who would grow here in the comfort and can easily be radicalised as seen in here, likes of Anjum Chowdhary..but he completely missed that majority of Muslims live in peace and mind their business without interfering much in others life..one cannot just paint all the Muslims with one colour- yes there are some who feel disenfranchised but which other religion doesn’t have any? Hindus, Sikh Jews etc all have their own disenfranchised people, however they don’t turn out to be radical or follow terrorist organisations due to it. Thats what Tommy is trying to sell, which many gullible buy it easily. | |||
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"I certainly agree Jonny that the media and agenda led agitators certainly pedal mischief and that's unhelpful and sometimes worse than that. But I also can't understand why others refuse to see others concerns and engage with them. I mean our population is growing and simple but real life practicalities like where will they live., school, get ill, drive, and so on... Need to be discussed and resolved and not ignored. " I think because the arguments aren't usually logical. A person would happily defend their vote for Brexit, costing the country many times more per year than the annual cost of processing asylum seekers (of course not including the revenue they then generate if they're successful, and of course not taking into account out obligation to take those seeking asylum). | |||
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" Look up the definition of terrorism and you’ll understand why that horrific murder is not an act of terror. ==================================== I don't have to look up the definition of anything. I know for a fact that those poor kids would have been absolutely TERRIFIED as they watched and heard their dance mates being stabbed. To have to pigeon hole, the level of how much terror there was and they felt, to justify whether you can allow it in the box marked "terrorism" is a fairly s-h-itt-y thing to say. Strange world when some ones political views makes them think like a dick. But for the grace of god and all that, you never know it could be you that has the police knocking on your door to inform you of someone being murdered and it will be great to know that you will get comfort knowing that even though someone is dead, google didnt define it as terrorism just a plain old stabby stabby murder. So that's alright, then. ======================= That sounds like a threat." ========================== Ah Bless, Really? please enlighten me, which part of that is a threat? and to who? | |||
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" Look up the definition of terrorism and you’ll understand why that horrific murder is not an act of terror. ==================================== I don't have to look up the definition of anything. I know for a fact that those poor kids would have been absolutely TERRIFIED as they watched and heard their dance mates being stabbed. To have to pigeon hole, the level of how much terror there was and they felt, to justify whether you can allow it in the box marked "terrorism" is a fairly s-h-itt-y thing to say. Strange world when some ones political views makes them think like a dick. But for the grace of god and all that, you never know it could be you that has the police knocking on your door to inform you of someone being murdered and it will be great to know that you will get comfort knowing that even though someone is dead, google didnt define it as terrorism just a plain old stabby stabby murder. So that's alright, then. I dint understand the aggression and hate in this comment. It's not like they were making light of the murders." Who wasn't making light of it? Aggression? to who? Hate, to who? Stop speaking in riddles, cough it up, Comrade. | |||
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"All these Tommy Robinson lovers and racists that are rioting and doing the nazi salute with swastika tattoos, do they avoid all those non white businesses and services, etc? Will they refuse to be helped by say an Indian Dr? Do they avoid eating Curries and takeaways? Mr Well they’ve garnered support from the other side, using similar rhetoric. This is far from over. https://x.com/aku_700/status/1822328154779709916?s=48&t=riGNlrfX3reAm-93J2ZU8w So they still blame Robinson for last weeks lunacy? I can tell it had fuck all to do with him. He has organised many rallies and protest marches, and some have been a little messy. Don’t get me wrong, I really don’t like him. But I know he would not organise all of these protests on the same day. I mean what is the point of six to eight people turning up in a lefty - liberal place like Brighton, at an arranged time date and place? The guy is a gobshite, and I hate his guts. But he is not that stupid that he would spread his people out like that. He would have one big mob of men on private coaches, and apart from drinking, pissing, and chanting on the street, they would behave well enough not to get themselves on to a police watch list. The way you were talking last week it was going to be a bit more than the five that did rock up.. He was doing the same thing that people have been locked up for since it started, on both 'sides' so I would imagine if he ever comes here after they've sorted his contempt of court issue he's possibly looking at other charges.. Several people are now getting locked up for spreading online messages with the intention of inciting racial hatred. Tommy is a serial offender, and now that the authorities are finally acting, little Tommy has run away to hide. tommy is the bogeyman that’s all a name to put to the front of the far right " Not really. He is a leading voice of the far right in the UK, and has been for many years. The bogeyman doesn’t exist. Unfortunately, little Tommy does. When is he going to come home and face the courts? | |||
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"The true Far Right are an odious bunch, but government after government are giving them the oxygen of credibility by failing to act on immigration. Do you think if there was some kind of unspecified action on immigration, racists would suddenly stop being racist? No, but the racists of the Far Right are tapping-in to public disaffection with government policy on immigration. Sending a handful of thugs to jail won't change a thing." It already has Rather than being emboldened and feeling they can do what they like in our streets, the cowardly thugs are now staying at home. Plenty more of them on their way to jail too | |||
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"The true Far Right are an odious bunch, but government after government are giving them the oxygen of credibility by failing to act on immigration. Do you think if there was some kind of unspecified action on immigration, racists would suddenly stop being racist? No, but the racists of the Far Right are tapping-in to public disaffection with government policy on immigration. Sending a handful of thugs to jail won't change a thing. I agree. Jailing a few racists won't make any difference to the amount of racism in the UK. Population at large is fed up paying for these immigrants. Unfortunately migration dissatisfaction has been hijacked and relabelled racism. " When did you become spokesman for “the population at large”? The “racism” label is the only one that fits certain behaviours and voices The counter protests last week show that there is plenty of compassion left in this country, heavily outweighing the racists | |||
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"The true Far Right are an odious bunch, but government after government are giving them the oxygen of credibility by failing to act on immigration. Do you think if there was some kind of unspecified action on immigration, racists would suddenly stop being racist? No, but the racists of the Far Right are tapping-in to public disaffection with government policy on immigration. Sending a handful of thugs to jail won't change a thing. I agree. Jailing a few racists won't make any difference to the amount of racism in the UK. It's a pity you label your countrymen as racist, in my my view it's a tiny minority that are truly racist, although I accept people can be tribal. The 4.2 million that voted reform, are they racist, or just pissed with failure on immigration. " Immigration wasn’t their only policy. Stop pretending otherwise | |||
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"I certainly agree Jonny that the media and agenda led agitators certainly pedal mischief and that's unhelpful and sometimes worse than that. But I also can't understand why others refuse to see others concerns and engage with them. I mean our population is growing and simple but real life practicalities like where will they live., school, get ill, drive, and so on... Need to be discussed and resolved and not ignored. " It’s alright, labour are going to build millions of new houses for everyone! The “Britain is full” mantra is nonsense. A quick google on population density clearly demonstrates this. It is a mantra used by those who want no more arrivals in this country and deportation of many who already live here | |||
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"The true Far Right are an odious bunch, but government after government are giving them the oxygen of credibility by failing to act on immigration. Do you think if there was some kind of unspecified action on immigration, racists would suddenly stop being racist? No, but the racists of the Far Right are tapping-in to public disaffection with government policy on immigration. Sending a handful of thugs to jail won't change a thing. I agree. Jailing a few racists won't make any difference to the amount of racism in the UK. It's a pity you label your countrymen as racist, in my my view it's a tiny minority that are truly racist, although I accept people can be tribal. So you're labeling those same people racist as I did. But it's only a shame when I did it? " You can't eliminate racism entirely - there's always a minority of extremists. I suspect we differ in the scale of numbers. | |||
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"The true Far Right are an odious bunch, but government after government are giving them the oxygen of credibility by failing to act on immigration. Do you think if there was some kind of unspecified action on immigration, racists would suddenly stop being racist? No, but the racists of the Far Right are tapping-in to public disaffection with government policy on immigration. Sending a handful of thugs to jail won't change a thing. It already has Rather than being emboldened and feeling they can do what they like in our streets, the cowardly thugs are now staying at home. Plenty more of them on their way to jail too " So it seems. Yet Starmer and Rayner were content to take the knee to BLM rioters. Strange that. | |||
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"I certainly agree Jonny that the media and agenda led agitators certainly pedal mischief and that's unhelpful and sometimes worse than that. But I also can't understand why others refuse to see others concerns and engage with them. I mean our population is growing and simple but real life practicalities like where will they live., school, get ill, drive, and so on... Need to be discussed and resolved and not ignored. It’s alright, labour are going to build millions of new houses for everyone! The “Britain is full” mantra is nonsense. A quick google on population density clearly demonstrates this. It is a mantra used by those who want no more arrivals in this country and deportation of many who already live here " Hmm so are you suggesting that the only measure we need to plan for millions of growth in our population is a Google of population density map.? Glad everything is working in your world. No manning for utilities, water, energy, sewage, roads, pollution, waste management, shops, healthcare, schooling,public transport, childcare, employment,... Yep Google maps says it's all OK. | |||
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"The true Far Right are an odious bunch, but government after government are giving them the oxygen of credibility by failing to act on immigration. Do you think if there was some kind of unspecified action on immigration, racists would suddenly stop being racist? No, but the racists of the Far Right are tapping-in to public disaffection with government policy on immigration. Sending a handful of thugs to jail won't change a thing. It already has Rather than being emboldened and feeling they can do what they like in our streets, the cowardly thugs are now staying at home. Plenty more of them on their way to jail too So it seems. Yet Starmer and Rayner were content to take the knee to BLM rioters. Strange that." They didn't take the knee "to BLM rioters" People keep trying to make false equivalences with the rioting racists to other things, such as the largely peaceful BLM protests. | |||
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"All these Tommy Robinson lovers and racists that are rioting and doing the nazi salute with swastika tattoos, do they avoid all those non white businesses and services, etc? Will they refuse to be helped by say an Indian Dr? Do they avoid eating Curries and takeaways? Mr " There are some that won't be seen by a non white person, seen a few on several occasions that I had the misfortune of being in hospital. | |||
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"I certainly agree Jonny that the media and agenda led agitators certainly pedal mischief and that's unhelpful and sometimes worse than that. But I also can't understand why others refuse to see others concerns and engage with them. I mean our population is growing and simple but real life practicalities like where will they live., school, get ill, drive, and so on... Need to be discussed and resolved and not ignored. It’s alright, labour are going to build millions of new houses for everyone! The “Britain is full” mantra is nonsense. A quick google on population density clearly demonstrates this. It is a mantra used by those who want no more arrivals in this country and deportation of many who already live here " no Britain isn’t full just yet but by the time my kids are my age it will be we just don’t have the houses for brits so why let 700 thousand a year more into Britain it’s nonsense you don’t fix a plane while it’s flying we need to slow migration down not seen anyone say stop it but slow it down until we can cope but some will read this and say yes that’s racist that’s the problem we can’t even discuss it now | |||
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"I certainly agree Jonny that the media and agenda led agitators certainly pedal mischief and that's unhelpful and sometimes worse than that. But I also can't understand why others refuse to see others concerns and engage with them. I mean our population is growing and simple but real life practicalities like where will they live., school, get ill, drive, and so on... Need to be discussed and resolved and not ignored. It’s alright, labour are going to build millions of new houses for everyone! The “Britain is full” mantra is nonsense. A quick google on population density clearly demonstrates this. It is a mantra used by those who want no more arrivals in this country and deportation of many who already live here no Britain isn’t full just yet but by the time my kids are my age it will be we just don’t have the houses for brits so why let 700 thousand a year more into Britain it’s nonsense you don’t fix a plane while it’s flying we need to slow migration down not seen anyone say stop it but slow it down until we can cope but some will read this and say yes that’s racist that’s the problem we can’t even discuss it now " Putting aside Asylum Seekers as, IMO they should remain distinct from general immigration figures… I thought our Visa system (work, study, live) only allowed in those with the skills we need as a country? It’s not like it is a free for all. You have to apply for a visa and that gets assessed. | |||
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"I certainly agree Jonny that the media and agenda led agitators certainly pedal mischief and that's unhelpful and sometimes worse than that. But I also can't understand why others refuse to see others concerns and engage with them. I mean our population is growing and simple but real life practicalities like where will they live., school, get ill, drive, and so on... Need to be discussed and resolved and not ignored. It’s alright, labour are going to build millions of new houses for everyone! The “Britain is full” mantra is nonsense. A quick google on population density clearly demonstrates this. It is a mantra used by those who want no more arrivals in this country and deportation of many who already live here Hmm so are you suggesting that the only measure we need to plan for millions of growth in our population is a Google of population density map.? Glad everything is working in your world. No manning for utilities, water, energy, sewage, roads, pollution, waste management, shops, healthcare, schooling,public transport, childcare, employment,... Yep Google maps says it's all OK. " You are saying the national infrastructure needs to be improved. No argument from me on that point, but that needs to happen regardless. But that is absolutely not what is being communicated by the “Britain is full” brigade | |||
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"I certainly agree Jonny that the media and agenda led agitators certainly pedal mischief and that's unhelpful and sometimes worse than that. But I also can't understand why others refuse to see others concerns and engage with them. I mean our population is growing and simple but real life practicalities like where will they live., school, get ill, drive, and so on... Need to be discussed and resolved and not ignored. It’s alright, labour are going to build millions of new houses for everyone! The “Britain is full” mantra is nonsense. A quick google on population density clearly demonstrates this. It is a mantra used by those who want no more arrivals in this country and deportation of many who already live here no Britain isn’t full just yet but by the time my kids are my age it will be we just don’t have the houses for brits so why let 700 thousand a year more into Britain it’s nonsense you don’t fix a plane while it’s flying we need to slow migration down not seen anyone say stop it but slow it down until we can cope but some will read this and say yes that’s racist that’s the problem we can’t even discuss it now " Of course we can discuss it, but it is the manner in which some people seek to “discuss” it that civilised society can’t condone . The rioting and expressing of extremist views needs to stop, with more moderate and respectful engagement. You say that nobody is suggesting reducing immigration to zero. True, but there are those who feel that it should be zero for people from certain backgrounds, and they go one step further, suggesting that people woo are already here, legally, should leave the country. | |||
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" The “Britain is full” mantra is nonsense. A quick google on population density clearly demonstrates this. It is a mantra used by those who want no more arrivals in this country and deportation of many who already live here " ========================== Who would decide whether the country is full or try to dispute it by using Google? and then choose Population Density ? If that was the case, anyone arriving today. best go to the Orkney Islands to try and level out the Population Density disparity with London. People aren't choosing to come here because we have a lovely green belt. To most sane people it would be Infrastructure. Have we enough homes, if not are we going to build them? and then ask the same questions for schools, homes, doctors (though we probably don't have to worry about that because obviously the boats are full of Doctors and Engineers) and hundreds of other variables. If the answer is Yay, we have all these things in abundance, open the borders, if on the otherhand the current infrastructure is somewhat struggling, slow down the flow and rebuild the infrastructure. | |||
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" The “Britain is full” mantra is nonsense. A quick google on population density clearly demonstrates this. It is a mantra used by those who want no more arrivals in this country and deportation of many who already live here ========================== Who would decide whether the country is full or try to dispute it by using Google? and then choose Population Density ? If that was the case, anyone arriving today. best go to the Orkney Islands to try and level out the Population Density disparity with London. People aren't choosing to come here because we have a lovely green belt. To most sane people it would be Infrastructure. Have we enough homes, if not are we going to build them? and then ask the same questions for schools, homes, doctors (though we probably don't have to worry about that because obviously the boats are full of Doctors and Engineers) and hundreds of other variables. If the answer is Yay, we have all these things in abundance, open the borders, if on the otherhand the current infrastructure is somewhat struggling, slow down the flow and rebuild the infrastructure." Are the rioting racists setting fire to the hotel housing asylum seeks fully aware of the current state of the country's infrastructure, plans for improvements and how the increase, decrease, or maintaining of asylum seekers numbers will impact those plans? Or maybe instead of throwing bricks at mosques, they could campaign for the government to take action on some of the things that cause people to be displaced in the first place. | |||
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"The true Far Right are an odious bunch, but government after government are giving them the oxygen of credibility by failing to act on immigration. Do you think if there was some kind of unspecified action on immigration, racists would suddenly stop being racist? No, but the racists of the Far Right are tapping-in to public disaffection with government policy on immigration. Sending a handful of thugs to jail won't change a thing. 4.2 million voted reform. This dissatisfaction is not limited to a few jailed rioters. " I imagine a large proportion voted reform simply because they felt it was the only viable right leaning party after the 14 years of shit from the tories. If the Tories had been viable, reform would not have done so well. | |||
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"The true Far Right are an odious bunch, but government after government are giving them the oxygen of credibility by failing to act on immigration. Do you think if there was some kind of unspecified action on immigration, racists would suddenly stop being racist? No, but the racists of the Far Right are tapping-in to public disaffection with government policy on immigration. Sending a handful of thugs to jail won't change a thing. I agree. Jailing a few racists won't make any difference to the amount of racism in the UK. Population at large is fed up paying for these immigrants. Unfortunately migration dissatisfaction has been hijacked and relabelled racism. " He who shouts loudest kind of issue methinks (as in the rioters' actions and gobshiteness). | |||
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"The true Far Right are an odious bunch, but government after government are giving them the oxygen of credibility by failing to act on immigration. Do you think if there was some kind of unspecified action on immigration, racists would suddenly stop being racist? No, but the racists of the Far Right are tapping-in to public disaffection with government policy on immigration. Sending a handful of thugs to jail won't change a thing. 4.2 million voted reform. This dissatisfaction is not limited to a few jailed rioters. I imagine a large proportion voted reform simply because they felt it was the only viable right leaning party after the 14 years of shit from the tories. If the Tories had been viable, reform would not have done so well." The Tories over egged the anti-immigrant rhetoric so a portion of the electorate moved to the ultra-Tories. That's all really. | |||
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"I certainly agree Jonny that the media and agenda led agitators certainly pedal mischief and that's unhelpful and sometimes worse than that. But I also can't understand why others refuse to see others concerns and engage with them. I mean our population is growing and simple but real life practicalities like where will they live., school, get ill, drive, and so on... Need to be discussed and resolved and not ignored. It’s alright, labour are going to build millions of new houses for everyone! The “Britain is full” mantra is nonsense. A quick google on population density clearly demonstrates this. It is a mantra used by those who want no more arrivals in this country and deportation of many who already live here no Britain isn’t full just yet but by the time my kids are my age it will be we just don’t have the houses for brits so why let 700 thousand a year more into Britain it’s nonsense you don’t fix a plane while it’s flying we need to slow migration down not seen anyone say stop it but slow it down until we can cope but some will read this and say yes that’s racist that’s the problem we can’t even discuss it now Of course we can discuss it, but it is the manner in which some people seek to “discuss” it that civilised society can’t condone . The rioting and expressing of extremist views needs to stop, with more moderate and respectful engagement. You say that nobody is suggesting reducing immigration to zero. True, but there are those who feel that it should be zero for people from certain backgrounds, and they go one step further, suggesting that people woo are already here, legally, should leave the country. " Net zero | |||
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"The true Far Right are an odious bunch, but government after government are giving them the oxygen of credibility by failing to act on immigration. Do you think if there was some kind of unspecified action on immigration, racists would suddenly stop being racist? No, but the racists of the Far Right are tapping-in to public disaffection with government policy on immigration. Sending a handful of thugs to jail won't change a thing. 4.2 million voted reform. This dissatisfaction is not limited to a few jailed rioters. I imagine a large proportion voted reform simply because they felt it was the only viable right leaning party after the 14 years of shit from the tories. If the Tories had been viable, reform would not have done so well. The Tories over egged the anti-immigrant rhetoric so a portion of the electorate moved to the ultra-Tories. That's all really. " You mean they lied about sorting immigration numbers. Nothing new there. | |||
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" The “Britain is full” mantra is nonsense. A quick google on population density clearly demonstrates this. It is a mantra used by those who want no more arrivals in this country and deportation of many who already live here ========================== Who would decide whether the country is full or try to dispute it by using Google? and then choose Population Density ? If that was the case, anyone arriving today. best go to the Orkney Islands to try and level out the Population Density disparity with London. People aren't choosing to come here because we have a lovely green belt. To most sane people it would be Infrastructure. Have we enough homes, if not are we going to build them? and then ask the same questions for schools, homes, doctors (though we probably don't have to worry about that because obviously the boats are full of Doctors and Engineers) and hundreds of other variables. If the answer is Yay, we have all these things in abundance, open the borders, if on the otherhand the current infrastructure is somewhat struggling, slow down the flow and rebuild the infrastructure." You are saying that the infrastructure of the country needs to be improved. That doesn’t mean that the country is “full”. How about using the recent arrivals to help develop the infrastructure? Give them training, jobs, income, then can pay tax, and we get the homes labour have promised. | |||
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"Is this still the site where I can find some boobs? One left for an answer..." Ah fuck. | |||
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