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Police forces have been urged to step up patrols outside mosques and asylum seeker accommodation amid plans for at least 19 far-right rallies across England in coming days reported on the guardian.
Mosques in Southport and Hartlepool were attacked by rioters on Tuesday and Wednesday amid unfounded online rumours that the suspect was Muslim, when little if anything is known about his beliefs or motivation.
Mosque Security, a company that advises faith leaders on protection, said it had received inquiries from more than 100 mosques seeking help in recent days. Shaukat Warraich, its director, said the firm’s online security recommendations had been downloaded “in their hundreds” as a result of “the false anti-Muslim narrative being peddled following the Southport murders”.
6 uk mosques in 1945, now over 1500, this increasing vulnerable part of society needs protection. No reports yet of this including Finsbury Park or the other 60% of Mosques that the ex counter terrorism boss says preach extreme Islam
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"Police forces have been urged to step up patrols outside mosques and asylum seeker accommodation amid plans for at least 19 far-right rallies across England in coming days reported on the guardian.
Mosques in Southport and Hartlepool were attacked by rioters on Tuesday and Wednesday amid unfounded online rumours that the suspect was Muslim, when little if anything is known about his beliefs or motivation.
Mosque Security, a company that advises faith leaders on protection, said it had received inquiries from more than 100 mosques seeking help in recent days. Shaukat Warraich, its director, said the firm’s online security recommendations had been downloaded “in their hundreds” as a result of “the false anti-Muslim narrative being peddled following the Southport murders”.
6 uk mosques in 1945, now over 1500, this increasing vulnerable part of society needs protection. No reports yet of this including Finsbury Park or the other 60% of Mosques that the ex counter terrorism boss says preach extreme Islam
Ideology. .
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Troubling information if it happens. I see the other week people in southern Ireland attacking a building that was earmarked to house asylum seekers and that turned nasty too. Hopefully the protests remain just peaceful protests but fear the thugs will do what thugs always do |
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I fear it's going to get a bit worse than what's already taken place, it literally is a time for cool heads to bring down the temperature..
There are massive problems societally which have been building as governments of all colours have failed over the last forty or so years to address the issues that many have and others perceive..
But the answer isn't to smash up communities and attack the police..
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The UK is heading for turbulent times.
We have an unrepresentative government at the head of an unrepresentative parliament, virtually none of whom are interested in listening to the concerns of the electorate.
Authoritarian Labour’s natural response will be what we have already seen: reinforce the metropolitan middle class narrative that we have had for decades, and crack down on civil liberties.
Difficult to see how that response is going to work. |
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I don’t remember there being so much media coverage with the riot in Leeds.
I think the government and media have a problem with the white working class English and I think there is definitely double standards when it comes to the law.
Notice how it’s all gone quiet over what happened at Manchester Airport, how about the soldier who was stabbed when he left a barracks down south. There has been no mention in the media about that.
Remember, there is 2 sides to every story and the media only ever tell you what they want you to know and it won’t be long before people start feeling sorry for this lad. |
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"I don’t remember there being so much media coverage with the riot in Leeds.
I think the government and media have a problem with the white working class English and I think there is definitely double standards when it comes to the law.
Notice how it’s all gone quiet over what happened at Manchester Airport, how about the soldier who was stabbed when he left a barracks down south. There has been no mention in the media about that.
Remember, there is 2 sides to every story and the media only ever tell you what they want you to know and it won’t be long before people start feeling sorry for this lad."
pro tip: don't want the big stories to be distracted, don't go cteati.h a bigger story.
The other thing is news tends to break quickly. Then nothing else to report for a while.
The current set of riots are still newsworthy because they keep happening.
The Southport ones are less newsworthy. Who has cared or looked to find out about the guy arrested with the knife? |
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The narrative seems to be 'mindless thugs rioting', and fair enough, you can see it that way. But there's a silence on the underlying cause(s). The elephant in the room if you will. Why don't we face up to the cause rather than put sticking plasters over the wounds. |
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Usually when there's crime were told there are underlying issues. The usual one is 'look at the correlation with poverty'.
The people that tell us that are now the people who are there are no underlying issues to these riots.
Go figure... |
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"The Southport ones are less newsworthy. Who has cared or looked to find out about the guy arrested with the knife? "
It’s funny that all the “patriots” have went quiet about him when it turned out he was English. |
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"The Southport ones are less newsworthy. Who has cared or looked to find out about the guy arrested with the knife?
It’s funny that all the “patriots” have went quiet about him when it turned out he was English."
You mean British. |
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"Usually when there's crime were told there are underlying issues. The usual one is 'look at the correlation with poverty'.
The people that tell us that are now the people who are there are no underlying issues to these riots.
Go figure..."
There are a multitude of reasons that people believe they can add together of course there are, successive governments over the past thirty or forty years have paid lip service to what is essentially a huge problem in certain areas with academic under achievement and prospects thereafter for white kids..
But that's literally just one aspect where the disenfranchisement and governments are seen as out of touch and don't care ..
It's complex and it's a problem that needs addressing properly..
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"The Southport ones are less newsworthy. Who has cared or looked to find out about the guy arrested with the knife?
It’s funny that all the “patriots” have went quiet about him when it turned out he was English.
You mean British. "
No, he was English. |
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"Usually when there's crime were told there are underlying issues. The usual one is 'look at the correlation with poverty'.
The people that tell us that are now the people who are there are no underlying issues to these riots.
Go figure...
There are a multitude of reasons that people believe they can add together of course there are, successive governments over the past thirty or forty years have paid lip service to what is essentially a huge problem in certain areas with academic under achievement and prospects thereafter for white kids..
But that's literally just one aspect where the disenfranchisement and governments are seen as out of touch and don't care ..
It's complex and it's a problem that needs addressing properly..
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So there are underlying issues to these riots? I'm speaking very specifically about the 'far right' riots of the last few days. |
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"Usually when there's crime were told there are underlying issues. The usual one is 'look at the correlation with poverty'.
The people that tell us that are now the people who are there are no underlying issues to these riots.
Go figure...
There are a multitude of reasons that people believe they can add together of course there are, successive governments over the past thirty or forty years have paid lip service to what is essentially a huge problem in certain areas with academic under achievement and prospects thereafter for white kids..
But that's literally just one aspect where the disenfranchisement and governments are seen as out of touch and don't care ..
It's complex and it's a problem that needs addressing properly..
So there are underlying issues to these riots? I'm speaking very specifically about the 'far right' riots of the last few days."
There always are, no matter what the catalyst is yes..
People believe what they see or live or hear or read and that is what they will be manipulated for by others..
As it was in broadwater farm, Brixton and the 2011 riots.. |
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"Usually when there's crime were told there are underlying issues. The usual one is 'look at the correlation with poverty'.
The people that tell us that are now the people who are there are no underlying issues to these riots.
Go figure...
There are a multitude of reasons that people believe they can add together of course there are, successive governments over the past thirty or forty years have paid lip service to what is essentially a huge problem in certain areas with academic under achievement and prospects thereafter for white kids..
But that's literally just one aspect where the disenfranchisement and governments are seen as out of touch and don't care ..
It's complex and it's a problem that needs addressing properly..
So there are underlying issues to these riots? I'm speaking very specifically about the 'far right' riots of the last few days.
There always are, no matter what the catalyst is yes..
People believe what they see or live or hear or read and that is what they will be manipulated for by others..
As it was in broadwater farm, Brixton and the 2011 riots.."
But there can't be, they're just 'far right, mindless thugs'.
You must be wrong. |
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"Usually when there's crime were told there are underlying issues. The usual one is 'look at the correlation with poverty'.
The people that tell us that are now the people who are there are no underlying issues to these riots.
Go figure...
There are a multitude of reasons that people believe they can add together of course there are, successive governments over the past thirty or forty years have paid lip service to what is essentially a huge problem in certain areas with academic under achievement and prospects thereafter for white kids..
But that's literally just one aspect where the disenfranchisement and governments are seen as out of touch and don't care ..
It's complex and it's a problem that needs addressing properly..
So there are underlying issues to these riots? I'm speaking very specifically about the 'far right' riots of the last few days.
There always are, no matter what the catalyst is yes..
People believe what they see or live or hear or read and that is what they will be manipulated for by others..
As it was in broadwater farm, Brixton and the 2011 riots..
But there can't be, they're just 'far right, mindless thugs'.
You must be wrong. "
I've been wrong before and no doubt will again, c'est la vie..
Anyone who thinks they can sort out their grievances by trashing their own community and attacking police is a thug, but people have a point where they snap..
Twas ever this..
I predict a Royal Commission announcement.. |
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"Usually when there's crime were told there are underlying issues. The usual one is 'look at the correlation with poverty'.
The people that tell us that are now the people who are there are no underlying issues to these riots.
Go figure...
There are a multitude of reasons that people believe they can add together of course there are, successive governments over the past thirty or forty years have paid lip service to what is essentially a huge problem in certain areas with academic under achievement and prospects thereafter for white kids..
But that's literally just one aspect where the disenfranchisement and governments are seen as out of touch and don't care ..
It's complex and it's a problem that needs addressing properly..
So there are underlying issues to these riots? I'm speaking very specifically about the 'far right' riots of the last few days.
There always are, no matter what the catalyst is yes..
People believe what they see or live or hear or read and that is what they will be manipulated for by others..
As it was in broadwater farm, Brixton and the 2011 riots..
But there can't be, they're just 'far right, mindless thugs'.
You must be wrong.
I've been wrong before and no doubt will again, c'est la vie..
Anyone who thinks they can sort out their grievances by trashing their own community and attacking police is a thug, but people have a point where they snap..
Twas ever this..
I predict a Royal Commission announcement.."
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"Usually when there's crime were told there are underlying issues. The usual one is 'look at the correlation with poverty'.
The people that tell us that are now the people who are there are no underlying issues to these riots.
Go figure...
There are a multitude of reasons that people believe they can add together of course there are, successive governments over the past thirty or forty years have paid lip service to what is essentially a huge problem in certain areas with academic under achievement and prospects thereafter for white kids..
But that's literally just one aspect where the disenfranchisement and governments are seen as out of touch and don't care ..
It's complex and it's a problem that needs addressing properly..
So there are underlying issues to these riots? I'm speaking very specifically about the 'far right' riots of the last few days.
There always are, no matter what the catalyst is yes..
People believe what they see or live or hear or read and that is what they will be manipulated for by others..
As it was in broadwater farm, Brixton and the 2011 riots..
But there can't be, they're just 'far right, mindless thugs'.
You must be wrong.
I've been wrong before and no doubt will again, c'est la vie..
Anyone who thinks they can sort out their grievances by trashing their own community and attacking police is a thug, but people have a point where they snap..
Twas ever this..
I predict a Royal Commission announcement..
The country must be full of them on both sides of the divide "
We've a history of it, it's interesting reading ..
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"The Southport ones are less newsworthy. Who has cared or looked to find out about the guy arrested with the knife?
It’s funny that all the “patriots” have went quiet about him when it turned out he was English.
You mean British.
No, he was English."
Born in Wales can’t be English! Dopey |
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"The narrative seems to be 'mindless thugs rioting', and fair enough, you can see it that way. But there's a silence on the underlying cause(s). The elephant in the room if you will. Why don't we face up to the cause rather than put sticking plasters over the wounds."
“”young men throwing stones at police and shouting “Whose streets? Our streets” as well as Islamophobic chants.””
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"The Southport ones are less newsworthy. Who has cared or looked to find out about the guy arrested with the knife?
It’s funny that all the “patriots” have went quiet about him when it turned out he was English.
You mean British.
No, he was English.
Born in Wales can’t be English! Dopey "
The other guy, I think, Jordan Davies. |
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"Usually when there's crime were told there are underlying issues. The usual one is 'look at the correlation with poverty'.
The people that tell us that are now the people who are there are no underlying issues to these riots.
Go figure..."
I think if people go looking to understand they fear they may be seen as justifying the crime. Half these threads seem tomwnd up in such tussles.
For me, there is a big read across in circumstances between the rioters and the terrorists in terms of the environment that create them.
They are fed miss information (eg channel3news). They are dissuaded from looking at other other information (MSM is bad). Extensive use of propaganda (memes etc). They instill black and white thinking. They utilise buzz words and invoke chanting. They shut down other schools of thought (the woke agenda). They install fear and create and enemy. They are led by charismatic leaders who promises a better world.
Poverty helps, as it creates an anger at the world. But there will be wealthier people involved. Education levels may have an effect, but again, a degree does not make immune. They are correlations not causes. These things may mean you are more likely to get exposed to the gravity, but anyone can be pulled in. |
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"The Southport ones are less newsworthy. Who has cared or looked to find out about the guy arrested with the knife?
It’s funny that all the “patriots” have went quiet about him when it turned out he was English.
You mean British.
No, he was English.
Born in Wales can’t be English! Dopey "
We aren’t talking about the 17 year old that killed the children. We are talking about the man that turned up the the vigil with a knife and was reported as being Muslim. He was born in Southport. |
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"Usually when there's crime were told there are underlying issues. The usual one is 'look at the correlation with poverty'.
The people that tell us that are now the people who are there are no underlying issues to these riots.
Go figure...I think if people go looking to understand they fear they may be seen as justifying the crime. Half these threads seem tomwnd up in such tussles.
For me, there is a big read across in circumstances between the rioters and the terrorists in terms of the environment that create them.
They are fed miss information (eg channel3news). They are dissuaded from looking at other other information (MSM is bad). Extensive use of propaganda (memes etc). They instill black and white thinking. They utilise buzz words and invoke chanting. They shut down other schools of thought (the woke agenda). They install fear and create and enemy. They are led by charismatic leaders who promises a better world.
Poverty helps, as it creates an anger at the world. But there will be wealthier people involved. Education levels may have an effect, but again, a degree does not make immune. They are correlations not causes. These things may mean you are more likely to get exposed to the gravity, but anyone can be pulled in. "
I've been thinking more on this as it's valid to look at the causes.
When I see buildings burnt, people being stopped, and attacked, in their cars I get angry. I want to call the attackers scum etc. Fully admit that.
And as I have said, I think this is borderline terrorism. What saves them is that there is no clear agenda or cause on the streets themselves.
Sure, people on the sidelines in forums and Xitter and even official political statements put reasons around it. But it's still superimposed reasons.
What we actually can see is angry men lashing out. They normally do this on each other at closing time, or the oppo firm at football matches, or to their wives and kids... But today it's a more organised. And visible.
And while it's easy to label them racists and thugs and anything that dehumanises them, they are human. I would guess many grew up in trauma filled homes, patented by trauma damaged parents and in a community that has been ignored and condemned.
And that is now what is making me angry. Many of these on sidelines don't give a shit about those rioting.
These communities are the ones that will be targeted with zero tolerance policing and higher sentences for drug and violence related crimes.
These communities will be the ones most hit of benefits are withdrawn after 4 months.
These are the communities people think of when it comes to those claiming unwarranted benefits and playing the system.
For 99pc of the time people throw these communities to the wolves. They are the scale goats. They are politically lost. The centre and right don't give a shit. We can see that in their manifestos. The left may care, but lose empathy when they see them lash out or join the rights agenda. But in reality they are ignored and ostracised until they become useful cannon fodder. |
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"The Southport ones are less newsworthy. Who has cared or looked to find out about the guy arrested with the knife?
It’s funny that all the “patriots” have went quiet about him when it turned out he was English.
You mean British.
No, he was English.
Born in Wales can’t be English! Dopey
We aren’t talking about the 17 year old that killed the children. We are talking about the man that turned up the the vigil with a knife and was reported as being Muslim. He was born in Southport."
Jordan Davies, yes born in Southport but the far right claims he was a Muslim have stopped..
Apparently after he was charged he became a 'white patriot'..
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"Usually when there's crime were told there are underlying issues. The usual one is 'look at the correlation with poverty'.
The people that tell us that are now the people who are there are no underlying issues to these riots.
Go figure...I think if people go looking to understand they fear they may be seen as justifying the crime. Half these threads seem tomwnd up in such tussles.
For me, there is a big read across in circumstances between the rioters and the terrorists in terms of the environment that create them.
They are fed miss information (eg channel3news). They are dissuaded from looking at other other information (MSM is bad). Extensive use of propaganda (memes etc). They instill black and white thinking. They utilise buzz words and invoke chanting. They shut down other schools of thought (the woke agenda). They install fear and create and enemy. They are led by charismatic leaders who promises a better world.
Poverty helps, as it creates an anger at the world. But there will be wealthier people involved. Education levels may have an effect, but again, a degree does not make immune. They are correlations not causes. These things may mean you are more likely to get exposed to the gravity, but anyone can be pulled in. I've been thinking more on this as it's valid to look at the causes.
When I see buildings burnt, people being stopped, and attacked, in their cars I get angry. I want to call the attackers scum etc. Fully admit that.
And as I have said, I think this is borderline terrorism. What saves them is that there is no clear agenda or cause on the streets themselves.
Sure, people on the sidelines in forums and Xitter and even official political statements put reasons around it. But it's still superimposed reasons.
What we actually can see is angry men lashing out. They normally do this on each other at closing time, or the oppo firm at football matches, or to their wives and kids... But today it's a more organised. And visible.
And while it's easy to label them racists and thugs and anything that dehumanises them, they are human. I would guess many grew up in trauma filled homes, patented by trauma damaged parents and in a community that has been ignored and condemned.
And that is now what is making me angry. Many of these on sidelines don't give a shit about those rioting.
These communities are the ones that will be targeted with zero tolerance policing and higher sentences for drug and violence related crimes.
These communities will be the ones most hit of benefits are withdrawn after 4 months.
These are the communities people think of when it comes to those claiming unwarranted benefits and playing the system.
For 99pc of the time people throw these communities to the wolves. They are the scale goats. They are politically lost. The centre and right don't give a shit. We can see that in their manifestos. The left may care, but lose empathy when they see them lash out or join the rights agenda. But in reality they are ignored and ostracised until they become useful cannon fodder. "
Well said, as usual some very valid points that regardless of individual politics we can all take something from I think.. |
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"The narrative seems to be 'mindless thugs rioting', and fair enough, you can see it that way. But there's a silence on the underlying cause(s). The elephant in the room if you will. Why don't we face up to the cause rather than put sticking plasters over the wounds."
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