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"I have just heard that the hamas leader ismail haniyeh was assassinated in iran by an alleged israeli strike. Israel have not made a comment about it, the strike came just after haniyeh had attended the inauguration of irans new president in tehran. What is your view about it, was it israel or was it someone else who did it? We will know more about it as the news comes in about it." Perhaps Hamas is sufficiently weakened to allow a better government to emerge, Palestinians can have a brighter future without being dominated by terrorists and (hopefully) now, Israel can call it a win and the war can stop. | |||
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"Wasn't he seen as a bit of a moderate ? If whoever replaces him is more hard-line what does that mean for any peace process.." Define moderate, in this context? What, about Hamas, is moderate? Serious question. -Throw Fatah/political rivals off buildings -Throw gays off buildings -Drag "immoral" people by motorbike -Swear to annihilate Israel -October 7th under his leadership -Constant barrage of rockets for years -Suicide bombings -Celebrations when civilian Israelis are killed Moderate? | |||
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"Wasn't he seen as a bit of a moderate ? If whoever replaces him is more hard-line what does that mean for any peace process.. Define moderate, in this context? What, about Hamas, is moderate? Serious question. -Throw Fatah/political rivals off buildings -Throw gays off buildings -Drag "immoral" people by motorbike -Swear to annihilate Israel -October 7th under his leadership -Constant barrage of rockets for years -Suicide bombings -Celebrations when civilian Israelis are killed Moderate?" Hey leave it out, I am not saying the list you trotted out is acceptable, whoever knowingly kills innocent people is as equally bad as each other.. My question is above, if you don't have a point on that fine.. | |||
"Wasn't he seen as a bit of a moderate ? If whoever replaces him is more hard-line what does that mean for any peace process.. Define moderate, in this context? What, about Hamas, is moderate? Serious question. -Throw Fatah/political rivals off buildings -Throw gays off buildings -Drag "immoral" people by motorbike -Swear to annihilate Israel -October 7th under his leadership -Constant barrage of rockets for years -Suicide bombings -Celebrations when civilian Israelis are killed Moderate? Hey leave it out, I am not saying the list you trotted out is acceptable, whoever knowingly kills innocent people is as equally bad as each other.. My question is above, if you don't have a point on that fine.. " Understood. But what does less moderate look like? | |||
"Isn't it a slippery slope to be assassinating leaders? Does that mean leaders in the US, UK, EU are fair game? " The US helped take out Gadaffi and Saddam Hussein. They also took out a senior Iranian official too. Anyway, the US are busy trying to take out a former US President…. | |||
"Isn't it a slippery slope to be assassinating leaders? Does that mean leaders in the US, UK, EU are fair game? The US helped take out Gadaffi and Saddam Hussein. They also took out a senior Iranian official too. Anyway, the US are busy trying to take out a former US President…. "   | |||
"Wasn't he seen as a bit of a moderate ? If whoever replaces him is more hard-line what does that mean for any peace process.. Define moderate, in this context? What, about Hamas, is moderate? Serious question. -Throw Fatah/political rivals off buildings -Throw gays off buildings -Drag "immoral" people by motorbike -Swear to annihilate Israel -October 7th under his leadership -Constant barrage of rockets for years -Suicide bombings -Celebrations when civilian Israelis are killed Moderate? Hey leave it out, I am not saying the list you trotted out is acceptable, whoever knowingly kills innocent people is as equally bad as each other.. My question is above, if you don't have a point on that fine.. Understood. But what does less moderate look like?" Read what I said please.. I asked 'wasn't he seen as a moderate', not I think he was a moderate.. The point you ignored was if he was a voice within that group that might make headway towards a peace process.. Which surely is the best option for those in Israel, the hostages, the innocent in Gaza and the whole region? | |||
"Wasn't he seen as a bit of a moderate ? If whoever replaces him is more hard-line what does that mean for any peace process.. Define moderate, in this context? What, about Hamas, is moderate? Serious question. -Throw Fatah/political rivals off buildings -Throw gays off buildings -Drag "immoral" people by motorbike -Swear to annihilate Israel -October 7th under his leadership -Constant barrage of rockets for years -Suicide bombings -Celebrations when civilian Israelis are killed Moderate? Hey leave it out, I am not saying the list you trotted out is acceptable, whoever knowingly kills innocent people is as equally bad as each other.. My question is above, if you don't have a point on that fine.. Understood. But what does less moderate look like? Read what I said please.. I asked 'wasn't he seen as a moderate', not I think he was a moderate.. The point you ignored was if he was a voice within that group that might make headway towards a peace process.. Which surely is the best option for those in Israel, the hostages, the innocent in Gaza and the whole region? " Apologies for misunderstanding (genuinely). Still - not sure who saw him as moderate or what that means. | |||
"Wasn't he seen as a bit of a moderate ? If whoever replaces him is more hard-line what does that mean for any peace process.. Define moderate, in this context? What, about Hamas, is moderate? Serious question. -Throw Fatah/political rivals off buildings -Throw gays off buildings -Drag "immoral" people by motorbike -Swear to annihilate Israel -October 7th under his leadership -Constant barrage of rockets for years -Suicide bombings -Celebrations when civilian Israelis are killed Moderate? Hey leave it out, I am not saying the list you trotted out is acceptable, whoever knowingly kills innocent people is as equally bad as each other.. My question is above, if you don't have a point on that fine.. Understood. But what does less moderate look like? Read what I said please.. I asked 'wasn't he seen as a moderate', not I think he was a moderate.. The point you ignored was if he was a voice within that group that might make headway towards a peace process.. Which surely is the best option for those in Israel, the hostages, the innocent in Gaza and the whole region? Apologies for misunderstanding (genuinely). Still - not sure who saw him as moderate or what that means." No worries and thanks for saying that.. I listened to the today programme on R4 and whilst they didn't mention that he might have been they did say he was central to if the pre talks taking place do move forward.. I do wonder if taking him out in Iran's capital is more about saying we can get anyone anywhere maybe by Israel.. | |||
" I do wonder if taking him out in Iran's capital is more about saying we can get anyone anywhere maybe by Israel.." Almost certainly. | |||
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"Isn't it a slippery slope to be assassinating leaders? Does that mean leaders in the US, UK, EU are fair game? The US helped take out Gadaffi and Saddam Hussein. They also took out a senior Iranian official too. Anyway, the US are busy trying to take out a former US President…. " Well world leaders will have to hope that others don't follow the US & Israeli playbook | |||
" Well world leaders will have to hope that others don't follow the US & Israeli playbook" Some might argue he's more of a terrorist leader who grabbed power than a world leader... It's debatable, at the very least. | |||
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"Wasn't he seen as a bit of a moderate ? If whoever replaces him is more hard-line what does that mean for any peace process.. Define moderate, in this context? What, about Hamas, is moderate? Serious question. -Throw Fatah/political rivals off buildings -Throw gays off buildings -Drag "immoral" people by motorbike -Swear to annihilate Israel -October 7th under his leadership -Constant barrage of rockets for years -Suicide bombings -Celebrations when civilian Israelis are killed Moderate?" All of those things I could put in reverse, and include I.D numbers, Thousands in prisons, Check points, No food, no water, no electricity, tick tok videos, tieing civilians to jeep bonnets, injured civilians at that. Sodium bombs (bombs that are that incase sodium metal so when on detonation the sodium melts and burns anything it comes into contact with including human flesh) high yield bombs Killing all in a building to kill one terrorist, no homes, living in tents, trapped waiting to be bombed And having the option to repopulate taken away by killing the population. Killing women (making repopulation through reproduction difficult as the women are being killed). Killing children (so when sorry if they reached repopulation age they could repopulate, but most cannot because they have been killed. Israel moderate hardly. 22% and falling. | |||
"Wasn't he seen as a bit of a moderate ? If whoever replaces him is more hard-line what does that mean for any peace process.. Define moderate, in this context? What, about Hamas, is moderate? Serious question. -Throw Fatah/political rivals off buildings -Throw gays off buildings -Drag "immoral" people by motorbike -Swear to annihilate Israel -October 7th under his leadership -Constant barrage of rockets for years -Suicide bombings -Celebrations when civilian Israelis are killed Moderate? Hey leave it out, I am not saying the list you trotted out is acceptable, whoever knowingly kills innocent people is as equally bad as each other.. My question is above, if you don't have a point on that fine.. Understood. But what does less moderate look like?" Attending peace talks, even though one has stated Israel should die, one still attended peace talks. For which he was killed for. moderate 22% and falling. | |||
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"One Terrorist down many more to come. Both Hezbollah and Hamas are among the worst Evil of Terrorists in that area. Sounds like America had a lot to do with this one so hopefully the world will get together and do the all in." Kill them ALL. Less make the world an unsafer place to live in. War, War and more war. Yeh lets have it. | |||
"One Terrorist down many more to come. Both Hezbollah and Hamas are among the worst Evil of Terrorists in that area. Sounds like America had a lot to do with this one so hopefully the world will get together and do the all in." Sorry forgot to add. 22% and falling. | |||
"It's been clear that Netanyahu has no real desire to end hostilities quickly, or even at all, whilst he can continue in power. It's possible that he sees escalation and provocation to be means to his desires. The IDF may largely be following his instructions. It's uncertain whilst little is known but we may get clarification, if he sees it as serving his needs " That may be the case, but the Arab states want the annihilation of Israel. | |||
"One Terrorist down many more to come. Both Hezbollah and Hamas are among the worst Evil of Terrorists in that area. Sounds like America had a lot to do with this one so hopefully the world will get together and do the all in." Dwarfed by UK /USA collation in Iraq that killed 500,000. Gaza death toll is currently less than 10% of this. | |||
"One Terrorist down many more to come. Both Hezbollah and Hamas are among the worst Evil of Terrorists in that area. Sounds like America had a lot to do with this one so hopefully the world will get together and do the all in." I would think one outcome of the last nine months is that there are now alot more recruited into these organisations. Every Gazan will have lost someone, the next generation of freedom fighters/terrorists will be larger in number Islamic terror attacks across the globe have/are increasing. | |||
" Well world leaders will have to hope that others don't follow the US & Israeli playbook Some might argue he's more of a terrorist leader who grabbed power than a world leader... It's debatable, at the very least." Some might argue Israeli settlers are occupying foreign and are fair targets. It's a messy and complicated situation that shows no prospect of compromise nor resolution. | |||
"Wasn't he seen as a bit of a moderate ? If whoever replaces him is more hard-line what does that mean for any peace process.. Define moderate, in this context? What, about Hamas, is moderate? Serious question. -Throw Fatah/political rivals off buildings -Throw gays off buildings -Drag "immoral" people by motorbike -Swear to annihilate Israel -October 7th under his leadership -Constant barrage of rockets for years -Suicide bombings -Celebrations when civilian Israelis are killed Moderate? Hey leave it out, I am not saying the list you trotted out is acceptable, whoever knowingly kills innocent people is as equally bad as each other.. My question is above, if you don't have a point on that fine.. Understood. But what does less moderate look like? Read what I said please.. I asked 'wasn't he seen as a moderate', not I think he was a moderate.. The point you ignored was if he was a voice within that group that might make headway towards a peace process.. Which surely is the best option for those in Israel, the hostages, the innocent in Gaza and the whole region? Apologies for misunderstanding (genuinely). Still - not sure who saw him as moderate or what that means." It means that there are other hard-liners who are more extreme | |||
" Apologies for misunderstanding (genuinely). Still - not sure who saw him as moderate or what that means. It means that there are other hard-liners who are more extreme " Well yes, that's what moderate means. But more extreme how? In practical terms, what does that mean? | |||
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"I have just heard that the hamas leader ismail haniyeh was assassinated in iran by an alleged israeli strike. Israel have not made a comment about it, the strike came just after haniyeh had attended the inauguration of irans new president in tehran. What is your view about it, was it israel or was it someone else who did it? We will know more about it as the news comes in about it. Perhaps Hamas is sufficiently weakened to allow a better government to emerge, Palestinians can have a brighter future without being dominated by terrorists and (hopefully) now, Israel can call it a win and the war can stop." Israel has condemned the hostages by making a hostages release less likely. Israel asked for war by electing an ultra right group of fascists. Perhaps if Israel wasn't a colonial state led by white European Zionists there would be peace. | |||
"I have just heard that the hamas leader ismail haniyeh was assassinated in iran by an alleged israeli strike. Israel have not made a comment about it, the strike came just after haniyeh had attended the inauguration of irans new president in tehran. What is your view about it, was it israel or was it someone else who did it? We will know more about it as the news comes in about it. Perhaps Hamas is sufficiently weakened to allow a better government to emerge, Palestinians can have a brighter future without being dominated by terrorists and (hopefully) now, Israel can call it a win and the war can stop. Israel has condemned the hostages by making a hostages release less likely. Israel asked for war by electing an ultra right group of fascists. Perhaps if Israel wasn't a colonial state led by white European Zionists there would be peace. " You do know that most citizens of Israel (and, indeed, the Jews of Israel) are Middle Eastern/North African? | |||
"I have just heard that the hamas leader ismail haniyeh was assassinated in iran by an alleged israeli strike. Israel have not made a comment about it, the strike came just after haniyeh had attended the inauguration of irans new president in tehran. What is your view about it, was it israel or was it someone else who did it? We will know more about it as the news comes in about it. Perhaps Hamas is sufficiently weakened to allow a better government to emerge, Palestinians can have a brighter future without being dominated by terrorists and (hopefully) now, Israel can call it a win and the war can stop. Israel has condemned the hostages by making a hostages release less likely. Israel asked for war by electing an ultra right group of fascists. Perhaps if Israel wasn't a colonial state led by white European Zionists there would be peace. You do know that most citizens of Israel (and, indeed, the Jews of Israel) are Middle Eastern/North African?" Can you explain why a white European jew has more of a claim to move to Israel than locals who were forced off their land and are refugees in Gaza? | |||
" Can you explain why a white European jew has more of a claim to move to Israel than locals who were forced off their land and are refugees in Gaza?" Do you mean a specific person, or people in general? Actually, addressing the issue of white-skinned Israelis... You are weaponising skin colour to say "those people don't belong there". Do you say the same about colonies of Middle Eastern people in "white" countries? Certainly some people do: are you aligned with those people? What is your obsession with white Jews? How about the Armenians? The Egyptians? The Iraqi Jews? The Ethiopian Jews? Is a white-skinned Israeli born to descendants of immigrants who arrived in 1875 less entitled to be there than a child born to a Syrian immigrant in the UK is entitled to be here? | |||
" Can you explain why a white European jew has more of a claim to move to Israel than locals who were forced off their land and are refugees in Gaza? Do you mean a specific person, or people in general? Actually, addressing the issue of white-skinned Israelis... You are weaponising skin colour to say "those people don't belong there". Do you say the same about colonies of Middle Eastern people in "white" countries? Certainly some people do: are you aligned with those people? What is your obsession with white Jews? How about the Armenians? The Egyptians? The Iraqi Jews? The Ethiopian Jews? Is a white-skinned Israeli born to descendants of immigrants who arrived in 1875 less entitled to be there than a child born to a Syrian immigrant in the UK is entitled to be here?" Oh dear. Your imagination is running away now and your trying to fabricate an argument. It's clear your just trying to throw up a smokescreen and a pretty ugly one too. Says a lot about you and quite disgusting | |||
" Can you explain why a white European jew has more of a claim to move to Israel than locals who were forced off their land and are refugees in Gaza? Do you mean a specific person, or people in general? Actually, addressing the issue of white-skinned Israelis... You are weaponising skin colour to say "those people don't belong there". Do you say the same about colonies of Middle Eastern people in "white" countries? Certainly some people do: are you aligned with those people? What is your obsession with white Jews? How about the Armenians? The Egyptians? The Iraqi Jews? The Ethiopian Jews? Is a white-skinned Israeli born to descendants of immigrants who arrived in 1875 less entitled to be there than a child born to a Syrian immigrant in the UK is entitled to be here?" I think you should drink decaffeinated coffee before you come on the forums. I've seen posts by you in conversation with another poster who suggested assassinating Netenyahu and you were aplauding his posts!! 
So don't bring your virtue signalling idiotic tripe on here | |||
" Can you explain why a white European jew has more of a claim to move to Israel than locals who were forced off their land and are refugees in Gaza? Do you mean a specific person, or people in general? Actually, addressing the issue of white-skinned Israelis... You are weaponising skin colour to say "those people don't belong there". Do you say the same about colonies of Middle Eastern people in "white" countries? Certainly some people do: are you aligned with those people? What is your obsession with white Jews? How about the Armenians? The Egyptians? The Iraqi Jews? The Ethiopian Jews? Is a white-skinned Israeli born to descendants of immigrants who arrived in 1875 less entitled to be there than a child born to a Syrian immigrant in the UK is entitled to be here?" I find it a bit rich that you level fabricated nonsense like this after [you] aplaud some guy for being honest about assassinating Netenyahu. He's a hideous war criminal that your defending and should be dragged to the haugue to stand trial but I've never condoned assassinating him like you have with the other poster.. My apologies to other fab people but people like this just just too much | |||
" Can you explain why a white European jew has more of a claim to move to Israel than locals who were forced off their land and are refugees in Gaza? Do you mean a specific person, or people in general? Actually, addressing the issue of white-skinned Israelis... You are weaponising skin colour to say "those people don't belong there". Do you say the same about colonies of Middle Eastern people in "white" countries? Certainly some people do: are you aligned with those people? What is your obsession with white Jews? How about the Armenians? The Egyptians? The Iraqi Jews? The Ethiopian Jews? Is a white-skinned Israeli born to descendants of immigrants who arrived in 1875 less entitled to be there than a child born to a Syrian immigrant in the UK is entitled to be here? I find it a bit rich that you level fabricated nonsense like this after [you] aplaud some guy for being honest about assassinating Netenyahu. He's a hideous war criminal that your defending and should be dragged to the haugue to stand trial but I've never condoned assassinating him like you have with the other poster.. My apologies to other fab people but people like this just just too much " He's not fabricating anything. It's strange how you never given a rational explanation for why you disagree with someone but rather go off on a tangent spouting vitriol about what you do belive. In the case ots that Netanyahu is bad, in fact that seems to be the answer to every question that's asked of you, Netenyahu is bad... it's boring. Mrs x | |||
" Can you explain why a white European jew has more of a claim to move to Israel than locals who were forced off their land and are refugees in Gaza? Do you mean a specific person, or people in general? Actually, addressing the issue of white-skinned Israelis... You are weaponising skin colour to say "those people don't belong there". Do you say the same about colonies of Middle Eastern people in "white" countries? Certainly some people do: are you aligned with those people? What is your obsession with white Jews? How about the Armenians? The Egyptians? The Iraqi Jews? The Ethiopian Jews? Is a white-skinned Israeli born to descendants of immigrants who arrived in 1875 less entitled to be there than a child born to a Syrian immigrant in the UK is entitled to be here? I find it a bit rich that you level fabricated nonsense like this after [you] aplaud some guy for being honest about assassinating Netenyahu. He's a hideous war criminal that your defending and should be dragged to the haugue to stand trial but I've never condoned assassinating him like you have with the other poster.. My apologies to other fab people but people like this just just too much He's not fabricating anything. It's strange how you never given a rational explanation for why you disagree with someone but rather go off on a tangent spouting vitriol about what you do belive. In the case ots that Netanyahu is bad, in fact that seems to be the answer to every question that's asked of you, Netenyahu is bad... it's boring. Mrs x" Your quite boring actually. And why are you replying a D not the person a causing me of racism. Of course you have levelled all sorts at me.. IRA supporter. Racist, hamas hesbolah supporter .. have I missed anything? Israel was set up by white European Christians and Jews .. the racist ones anyway . And 8s continuing on its 19th century way and your levelling crap like at me is astonishing. I'm now going to have a look and see if you've answered any of my questions because I've noticed your doing exactly what you accuse me of | |||
" Can you explain why a white European jew has more of a claim to move to Israel than locals who were forced off their land and are refugees in Gaza? Do you mean a specific person, or people in general? Actually, addressing the issue of white-skinned Israelis... You are weaponising skin colour to say "those people don't belong there". Do you say the same about colonies of Middle Eastern people in "white" countries? Certainly some people do: are you aligned with those people? What is your obsession with white Jews? How about the Armenians? The Egyptians? The Iraqi Jews? The Ethiopian Jews? Is a white-skinned Israeli born to descendants of immigrants who arrived in 1875 less entitled to be there than a child born to a Syrian immigrant in the UK is entitled to be here? I find it a bit rich that you level fabricated nonsense like this after [you] aplaud some guy for being honest about assassinating Netenyahu. He's a hideous war criminal that your defending and should be dragged to the haugue to stand trial but I've never condoned assassinating him like you have with the other poster.. My apologies to other fab people but people like this just just too much He's not fabricating anything. It's strange how you never given a rational explanation for why you disagree with someone but rather go off on a tangent spouting vitriol about what you do belive. In the case ots that Netanyahu is bad, in fact that seems to be the answer to every question that's asked of you, Netenyahu is bad... it's boring. Mrs x" Actually I think your just trolling to get a bite. You claim you support what israel and what they're doing .. I don't! I've given you ample reason and all you do is deflect away from uncomfortable truths. Maybe your gullible, naive with I'll deserved confidence in your intellect or just a rather vile racist supporter of what horrors humans have done I'm the past.. I've seen horrors committed under one label or another and they're so very similar. Zionism is not Judaism! Zionism is the same abomination under a new label and for me I'll [never ever] support it. I'll not bother replying to any more of your posts .. do now go ahead.. accuse me of more crap. Because 9m not going to waste time reading your drivel | |||
" Can you explain why a white European jew has more of a claim to move to Israel than locals who were forced off their land and are refugees in Gaza? Do you mean a specific person, or people in general? Actually, addressing the issue of white-skinned Israelis... You are weaponising skin colour to say "those people don't belong there". Do you say the same about colonies of Middle Eastern people in "white" countries? Certainly some people do: are you aligned with those people? What is your obsession with white Jews? How about the Armenians? The Egyptians? The Iraqi Jews? The Ethiopian Jews? Is a white-skinned Israeli born to descendants of immigrants who arrived in 1875 less entitled to be there than a child born to a Syrian immigrant in the UK is entitled to be here? I find it a bit rich that you level fabricated nonsense like this after [you] aplaud some guy for being honest about assassinating Netenyahu. He's a hideous war criminal that your defending and should be dragged to the haugue to stand trial but I've never condoned assassinating him like you have with the other poster.. My apologies to other fab people but people like this just just too much He's not fabricating anything. It's strange how you never given a rational explanation for why you disagree with someone but rather go off on a tangent spouting vitriol about what you do belive. In the case ots that Netanyahu is bad, in fact that seems to be the answer to every question that's asked of you, Netenyahu is bad... it's boring. Mrs x Your quite boring actually. And why are you replying a D not the person a causing me of racism. Of course you have levelled all sorts at me.. IRA supporter. Racist, hamas hesbolah supporter .. have I missed anything? Israel was set up by white European Christians and Jews .. the racist ones anyway . And 8s continuing on its 19th century way and your levelling crap like at me is astonishing. I'm now going to have a look and see if you've answered any of my questions because I've noticed your doing exactly what you accuse me of" Israel was set up by the United Nations not Europeans. And all I've said is that everything you don't agree with something you carp on about Israel being bad, Netenyahu being bad and now on another thread you are claiming Hezbollah, Hamas etc are not responsible for firing missiles but rather it's the responsibility of those the missiles are fired at. Thought it was a sick joke at first but think you genuinely believe it. And you try and question my IQ but you spout some rubbish. Going to have to think how it's the responsibility of any innocent Arab or Jew having a missile fired at them. Beyond belief. Mrs x | |||
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"One thing I don't understand is if you're negotiating the release of hostages from hamas and also their leadership was open to discussing Some agreement with Israel Why kill him unless you want the conflict to continue?" Maybe because they thought they'd never get another chance to kill him. Difficult decisions are made in times of war. Mrs x | |||
"One thing I don't understand is if you're negotiating the release of hostages from hamas and also their leadership was open to discussing Some agreement with Israel Why kill him unless you want the conflict to continue?Maybe because they thought they'd never get another chance to kill him. Difficult decisions are made in times of war. Mrs x" War? This isn’t a war. Not by any normal definition of the term. | |||
"One thing I don't understand is if you're negotiating the release of hostages from hamas and also their leadership was open to discussing Some agreement with Israel Why kill him unless you want the conflict to continue?" This seems to be the only way to see it, and is consistent with everything Netanyahu’s government has done. I hope there’s a way back from here. | |||
"One thing I don't understand is if you're negotiating the release of hostages from hamas and also their leadership was open to discussing Some agreement with Israel Why kill him unless you want the conflict to continue? This seems to be the only way to see it, and is consistent with everything Netanyahu’s government has done. I hope there’s a way back from here." Me too . I can't see how all this serves the safety of Jews in Israel or around the world. | |||
"One thing I don't understand is if you're negotiating the release of hostages from hamas and also their leadership was open to discussing Some agreement with Israel Why kill him unless you want the conflict to continue? This seems to be the only way to see it, and is consistent with everything Netanyahu’s government has done. I hope there’s a way back from here. Me too . I can't see how all this serves the safety of Jews in Israel or around the world. " What, you can't see how removing one of the leaders of an evil terrorist group, committed to wiping out Israel and the Jews, as helping to protect Israel and the Jews? Why not? Mrs x | |||
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"One thing I don't understand is if you're negotiating the release of hostages from hamas and also their leadership was open to discussing Some agreement with Israel Why kill him unless you want the conflict to continue? This seems to be the only way to see it, and is consistent with everything Netanyahu’s government has done. I hope there’s a way back from here. Me too . I can't see how all this serves the safety of Jews in Israel or around the world. What, you can't see how removing one of the leaders of an evil terrorist group, committed to wiping out Israel and the Jews, as helping to protect Israel and the Jews? Why not? Mrs x" Looking at previous governments they seemed to be able to distance Gaza and west Bank from Iran this government is unifying Iran Gaza and lebenon and giving common purpose I also think that the electorate did not know just how far he'd go and have demonstrated against him putting the knezzet above the law courts for one and also making it hard to get hostages released just my thoughts | |||
"One thing I don't understand is if you're negotiating the release of hostages from hamas and also their leadership was open to discussing Some agreement with Israel Why kill him unless you want the conflict to continue? This seems to be the only way to see it, and is consistent with everything Netanyahu’s government has done. I hope there’s a way back from here. Me too . I can't see how all this serves the safety of Jews in Israel or around the world. What, you can't see how removing one of the leaders of an evil terrorist group, committed to wiping out Israel and the Jews, as helping to protect Israel and the Jews? Why not? Mrs x Looking at previous governments they seemed to be able to distance Gaza and west Bank from Iran this government is unifying Iran Gaza and lebenon and giving common purpose I also think that the electorate did not know just how far he'd go and have demonstrated against him putting the knezzet above the law courts for one and also making it hard to get hostages released just my thoughts" Some on here see an ultra right government .. some cabinet members being convicted terrorists led by a narcissist paranoid war criminal being assisted by a corrupt American government.. in starting a Regional war as being a sane and sensible solution. One signing Mrs with an X at the end of each post 
And then takes the piss out of me using personal insults
Quite boringly typical really
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"One thing I don't understand is if you're negotiating the release of hostages from hamas and also their leadership was open to discussing Some agreement with Israel Why kill him unless you want the conflict to continue? This seems to be the only way to see it, and is consistent with everything Netanyahu’s government has done. I hope there’s a way back from here. Me too . I can't see how all this serves the safety of Jews in Israel or around the world. What, you can't see how removing one of the leaders of an evil terrorist group, committed to wiping out Israel and the Jews, as helping to protect Israel and the Jews? Why not? Mrs x Looking at previous governments they seemed to be able to distance Gaza and west Bank from Iran this government is unifying Iran Gaza and lebenon and giving common purpose I also think that the electorate did not know just how far he'd go and have demonstrated against him putting the knezzet above the law courts for one and also making it hard to get hostages released just my thoughts" So if previous government's did what you say, how do you account for the decades of attacks by Hezvollah? Mrs x | |||
"One thing I don't understand is if you're negotiating the release of hostages from hamas and also their leadership was open to discussing Some agreement with Israel Why kill him unless you want the conflict to continue? This seems to be the only way to see it, and is consistent with everything Netanyahu’s government has done. I hope there’s a way back from here. Me too . I can't see how all this serves the safety of Jews in Israel or around the world. What, you can't see how removing one of the leaders of an evil terrorist group, committed to wiping out Israel and the Jews, as helping to protect Israel and the Jews? Why not? Mrs x Looking at previous governments they seemed to be able to distance Gaza and west Bank from Iran this government is unifying Iran Gaza and lebenon and giving common purpose I also think that the electorate did not know just how far he'd go and have demonstrated against him putting the knezzet above the law courts for one and also making it hard to get hostages released just my thoughts Some on here see an ultra right government .. some cabinet members being convicted terrorists led by a narcissist paranoid war criminal being assisted by a corrupt American government.. in starting a Regional war as being a sane and sensible solution. One signing Mrs with an X at the end of each post
And then takes the piss out of me using personal insults
Quite boringly typical really
"Why do you insist on saying Israel started a regional war. It's almost as if you are deliberately forgetting Hamas's horrendous attack on the 7th October last year. Or that the Houthis fired missiles at Israel first or that Hezbollah started missile attacks on Israel on the 8th October last year. Surely these acts were the reasons for starting the current conflict. Mrs x | |||
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"One thing I don't understand is if you're negotiating the release of hostages from hamas and also their leadership was open to discussing Some agreement with Israel Why kill him unless you want the conflict to continue? This seems to be the only way to see it, and is consistent with everything Netanyahu’s government has done. I hope there’s a way back from here. Me too . I can't see how all this serves the safety of Jews in Israel or around the world. What, you can't see how removing one of the leaders of an evil terrorist group, committed to wiping out Israel and the Jews, as helping to protect Israel and the Jews? Why not? Mrs x Looking at previous governments they seemed to be able to distance Gaza and west Bank from Iran this government is unifying Iran Gaza and lebenon and giving common purpose I also think that the electorate did not know just how far he'd go and have demonstrated against him putting the knezzet above the law courts for one and also making it hard to get hostages released just my thoughts Some on here see an ultra right government .. some cabinet members being convicted terrorists led by a narcissist paranoid war criminal being assisted by a corrupt American government.. in starting a Regional war as being a sane and sensible solution. One signing Mrs with an X at the end of each post
And then takes the piss out of me using personal insults
Quite boringly typical really
Why do you insist on saying Israel started a regional war. It's almost as if you are deliberately forgetting Hamas's horrendous attack on the 7th October last year. Or that the Houthis fired missiles at Israel first or that Hezbollah started missile attacks on Israel on the 8th October last year.
Surely these acts were the reasons for starting the current conflict.
Mrs x"7 October as horrific as it was .. was just another episode of countless acts of terrorism on all sides. In the weeks before that palistinians were being killed on a routine basis.. Israel hasn't managed to do it yet but is ramping up to a regional war. Netenyahu has been to the USA to get support and looks like the biden administration has emboldened him by giving Israel full unconditional support of Iran and proxies attack Israel. | |||
"One thing I don't understand is if you're negotiating the release of hostages from hamas and also their leadership was open to discussing Some agreement with Israel Why kill him unless you want the conflict to continue? This seems to be the only way to see it, and is consistent with everything Netanyahu’s government has done. I hope there’s a way back from here. Me too . I can't see how all this serves the safety of Jews in Israel or around the world. What, you can't see how removing one of the leaders of an evil terrorist group, committed to wiping out Israel and the Jews, as helping to protect Israel and the Jews? Why not? Mrs x Looking at previous governments they seemed to be able to distance Gaza and west Bank from Iran this government is unifying Iran Gaza and lebenon and giving common purpose I also think that the electorate did not know just how far he'd go and have demonstrated against him putting the knezzet above the law courts for one and also making it hard to get hostages released just my thoughts Some on here see an ultra right government .. some cabinet members being convicted terrorists led by a narcissist paranoid war criminal being assisted by a corrupt American government.. in starting a Regional war as being a sane and sensible solution. One signing Mrs with an X at the end of each post
And then takes the piss out of me using personal insults
Quite boringly typical really
Why do you insist on saying Israel started a regional war. It's almost as if you are deliberately forgetting Hamas's horrendous attack on the 7th October last year. Or that the Houthis fired missiles at Israel first or that Hezbollah started missile attacks on Israel on the 8th October last year.
Surely these acts were the reasons for starting the current conflict.
Mrs x
7 October as horrific as it was .. was just another episode of countless acts of terrorism on all sides.
In the weeks before that palistinians were being killed on a routine basis..
Israel hasn't managed to do it yet but is ramping up to a regional war.
Netenyahu has been to the USA to get support and looks like the biden administration has emboldened him by giving Israel full unconditional support of Iran and proxies attack Israel.
"How can you defend Hamas attack on that night. Israel has never started a war...fact. It's retaliated and rightly so but it's never started a war. Hamas started this war and planned this attack for over two years, that's not a spontaneous response to whatever ills it perceives it has suffered. It was a planned, vicious, terrorist attack which led to Israel starting a war. Mrs x | |||
"One thing I don't understand is if you're negotiating the release of hostages from hamas and also their leadership was open to discussing Some agreement with Israel Why kill him unless you want the conflict to continue? This seems to be the only way to see it, and is consistent with everything Netanyahu’s government has done. I hope there’s a way back from here. Me too . I can't see how all this serves the safety of Jews in Israel or around the world. What, you can't see how removing one of the leaders of an evil terrorist group, committed to wiping out Israel and the Jews, as helping to protect Israel and the Jews? Why not? Mrs x Looking at previous governments they seemed to be able to distance Gaza and west Bank from Iran this government is unifying Iran Gaza and lebenon and giving common purpose I also think that the electorate did not know just how far he'd go and have demonstrated against him putting the knezzet above the law courts for one and also making it hard to get hostages released just my thoughts Some on here see an ultra right government .. some cabinet members being convicted terrorists led by a narcissist paranoid war criminal being assisted by a corrupt American government.. in starting a Regional war as being a sane and sensible solution. One signing Mrs with an X at the end of each post
And then takes the piss out of me using personal insults
Quite boringly typical really
"It didn't take long to break your self imposed ban on commenting on posts signed Mrs x | |||
"One thing I don't understand is if you're negotiating the release of hostages from hamas and also their leadership was open to discussing Some agreement with Israel Why kill him unless you want the conflict to continue? This seems to be the only way to see it, and is consistent with everything Netanyahu’s government has done. I hope there’s a way back from here. Me too . I can't see how all this serves the safety of Jews in Israel or around the world. What, you can't see how removing one of the leaders of an evil terrorist group, committed to wiping out Israel and the Jews, as helping to protect Israel and the Jews? Why not? Mrs x Looking at previous governments they seemed to be able to distance Gaza and west Bank from Iran this government is unifying Iran Gaza and lebenon and giving common purpose I also think that the electorate did not know just how far he'd go and have demonstrated against him putting the knezzet above the law courts for one and also making it hard to get hostages released just my thoughts Some on here see an ultra right government .. some cabinet members being convicted terrorists led by a narcissist paranoid war criminal being assisted by a corrupt American government.. in starting a Regional war as being a sane and sensible solution. One signing Mrs with an X at the end of each post
And then takes the piss out of me using personal insults
Quite boringly typical really
It didn't take long to break your self imposed ban on commenting on posts signed Mrs x"You trying to get me in trouble  Mrs x | |||
"One thing I don't understand is if you're negotiating the release of hostages from hamas and also their leadership was open to discussing Some agreement with Israel Why kill him unless you want the conflict to continue? This seems to be the only way to see it, and is consistent with everything Netanyahu’s government has done. I hope there’s a way back from here. Me too . I can't see how all this serves the safety of Jews in Israel or around the world. What, you can't see how removing one of the leaders of an evil terrorist group, committed to wiping out Israel and the Jews, as helping to protect Israel and the Jews? Why not? Mrs x Looking at previous governments they seemed to be able to distance Gaza and west Bank from Iran this government is unifying Iran Gaza and lebenon and giving common purpose I also think that the electorate did not know just how far he'd go and have demonstrated against him putting the knezzet above the law courts for one and also making it hard to get hostages released just my thoughts Some on here see an ultra right government .. some cabinet members being convicted terrorists led by a narcissist paranoid war criminal being assisted by a corrupt American government.. in starting a Regional war as being a sane and sensible solution. One signing Mrs with an X at the end of each post
And then takes the piss out of me using personal insults
Quite boringly typical really
Why do you insist on saying Israel started a regional war. It's almost as if you are deliberately forgetting Hamas's horrendous attack on the 7th October last year. Or that the Houthis fired missiles at Israel first or that Hezbollah started missile attacks on Israel on the 8th October last year.
Surely these acts were the reasons for starting the current conflict.
Mrs x
7 October as horrific as it was .. was just another episode of countless acts of terrorism on all sides.
In the weeks before that palistinians were being killed on a routine basis..
Israel hasn't managed to do it yet but is ramping up to a regional war.
Netenyahu has been to the USA to get support and looks like the biden administration has emboldened him by giving Israel full unconditional support of Iran and proxies attack Israel.
How can you defend Hamas attack on that night.
Israel has never started a war...fact. It's retaliated and rightly so but it's never started a war.
Hamas started this war and planned this attack for over two years, that's not a spontaneous response to whatever ills it perceives it has suffered.
It was a planned, vicious, terrorist attack which led to Israel starting a war.
Mrs x"Except that they have started wars, including 1967 when they got control of the occupied territories. Maybe Egypt was about to start it, but we’ll never know. Many experts think Egypt wouldn’t have started. And Zionists started the whole thing. Maybe they did need a state, but they still started it. From the beginning, Palestinians, who had been living there, have really been a thorn in the side of Israel. Likud have been in power most of the time since 1977, and have consistently been against a Palestinian state, especially under Netanyahu. Israel has had a policy of “mowing the lawn”. However atrocious Hamas’ attack was, it’s either untrue or simplistic to say that they started it on 7 October. And there have been different factions within Hamas. Hamas did add to their charter in around 2018 to accept that the Palestinian state would be within the 1967 border, I.e. 22% of the whole. There is evidence Haniyeh wanted a peace deal. I expect Hamas, and most other Palestinians, would prefer that Israel doesn’t exist. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t negotiate with them. And killing a political leader on foreign soil like that suggests that Israel wants war to continue or even escalate. And we expect the US to support it. It’s really scary. | |||
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" However atrocious Hamas’ attack was, it’s either untrue or simplistic to say that they started it on 7 October. " Would you say that it was started in 1947? What would you consider a start date? Your are 100% correct that it was not started on October 7th. However that was a major escalation that shattered the status quo (whether or not you believe that the status quo was heading in a relatively okay direction overall). | |||
"One thing I don't understand is if you're negotiating the release of hostages from hamas and also their leadership was open to discussing Some agreement with Israel Why kill him unless you want the conflict to continue? This seems to be the only way to see it, and is consistent with everything Netanyahu’s government has done. I hope there’s a way back from here. Me too . I can't see how all this serves the safety of Jews in Israel or around the world. What, you can't see how removing one of the leaders of an evil terrorist group, committed to wiping out Israel and the Jews, as helping to protect Israel and the Jews? Why not? Mrs x Looking at previous governments they seemed to be able to distance Gaza and west Bank from Iran this government is unifying Iran Gaza and lebenon and giving common purpose I also think that the electorate did not know just how far he'd go and have demonstrated against him putting the knezzet above the law courts for one and also making it hard to get hostages released just my thoughts Some on here see an ultra right government .. some cabinet members being convicted terrorists led by a narcissist paranoid war criminal being assisted by a corrupt American government.. in starting a Regional war as being a sane and sensible solution. One signing Mrs with an X at the end of each post
And then takes the piss out of me using personal insults
Quite boringly typical really
Why do you insist on saying Israel started a regional war. It's almost as if you are deliberately forgetting Hamas's horrendous attack on the 7th October last year. Or that the Houthis fired missiles at Israel first or that Hezbollah started missile attacks on Israel on the 8th October last year.
Surely these acts were the reasons for starting the current conflict.
Mrs x
7 October as horrific as it was .. was just another episode of countless acts of terrorism on all sides.
In the weeks before that palistinians were being killed on a routine basis..
Israel hasn't managed to do it yet but is ramping up to a regional war.
Netenyahu has been to the USA to get support and looks like the biden administration has emboldened him by giving Israel full unconditional support of Iran and proxies attack Israel.
How can you defend Hamas attack on that night.
Israel has never started a war...fact. It's retaliated and rightly so but it's never started a war.
Hamas started this war and planned this attack for over two years, that's not a spontaneous response to whatever ills it perceives it has suffered.
It was a planned, vicious, terrorist attack which led to Israel starting a war.
Mrs x
Except that they have started wars, including 1967 when they got control of the occupied territories. Maybe Egypt was about to start it, but we’ll never know. Many experts think Egypt wouldn’t have started. And Zionists started the whole thing. Maybe they did need a state, but they still started it.
From the beginning, Palestinians, who had been living there, have really been a thorn in the side of Israel. Likud have been in power most of the time since 1977, and have consistently been against a Palestinian state, especially under Netanyahu. Israel has had a policy of “mowing the lawn”.
However atrocious Hamas’ attack was, it’s either untrue or simplistic to say that they started it on 7 October.
And there have been different factions within Hamas. Hamas did add to their charter in around 2018 to accept that the Palestinian state would be within the 1967 border, I.e. 22% of the whole. There is evidence Haniyeh wanted a peace deal.
I expect Hamas, and most other Palestinians, would prefer that Israel doesn’t exist. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t negotiate with them. And killing a political leader on foreign soil like that suggests that Israel wants war to continue or even escalate. And we expect the US to support it. It’s really scary. "Hi Camden, your more knowledgable that others on here. Me included.. After all that's happened in the past ,can you see any way forward where moderates on all sides could bring about a one state solution where Arabs and Jews can have an equal co existence.. ? Sure there will be extremists on all sides trying to disrupt and destroy what moderates hope to achieve.. | |||
"One thing I don't understand is if you're negotiating the release of hostages from hamas and also their leadership was open to discussing Some agreement with Israel Why kill him unless you want the conflict to continue? This seems to be the only way to see it, and is consistent with everything Netanyahu’s government has done. I hope there’s a way back from here. Me too . I can't see how all this serves the safety of Jews in Israel or around the world. What, you can't see how removing one of the leaders of an evil terrorist group, committed to wiping out Israel and the Jews, as helping to protect Israel and the Jews? Why not? Mrs x Looking at previous governments they seemed to be able to distance Gaza and west Bank from Iran this government is unifying Iran Gaza and lebenon and giving common purpose I also think that the electorate did not know just how far he'd go and have demonstrated against him putting the knezzet above the law courts for one and also making it hard to get hostages released just my thoughts Some on here see an ultra right government .. some cabinet members being convicted terrorists led by a narcissist paranoid war criminal being assisted by a corrupt American government.. in starting a Regional war as being a sane and sensible solution. One signing Mrs with an X at the end of each post
And then takes the piss out of me using personal insults
Quite boringly typical really
Why do you insist on saying Israel started a regional war. It's almost as if you are deliberately forgetting Hamas's horrendous attack on the 7th October last year. Or that the Houthis fired missiles at Israel first or that Hezbollah started missile attacks on Israel on the 8th October last year.
Surely these acts were the reasons for starting the current conflict.
Mrs x
7 October as horrific as it was .. was just another episode of countless acts of terrorism on all sides.
In the weeks before that palistinians were being killed on a routine basis..
Israel hasn't managed to do it yet but is ramping up to a regional war.
Netenyahu has been to the USA to get support and looks like the biden administration has emboldened him by giving Israel full unconditional support of Iran and proxies attack Israel.
How can you defend Hamas attack on that night.
Israel has never started a war...fact. It's retaliated and rightly so but it's never started a war.
Hamas started this war and planned this attack for over two years, that's not a spontaneous response to whatever ills it perceives it has suffered.
It was a planned, vicious, terrorist attack which led to Israel starting a war.
Mrs x
Except that they have started wars, including 1967 when they got control of the occupied territories. Maybe Egypt was about to start it, but we’ll never know. Many experts think Egypt wouldn’t have started. And Zionists started the whole thing. Maybe they did need a state, but they still started it.
From the beginning, Palestinians, who had been living there, have really been a thorn in the side of Israel. Likud have been in power most of the time since 1977, and have consistently been against a Palestinian state, especially under Netanyahu. Israel has had a policy of “mowing the lawn”.
However atrocious Hamas’ attack was, it’s either untrue or simplistic to say that they started it on 7 October.
And there have been different factions within Hamas. Hamas did add to their charter in around 2018 to accept that the Palestinian state would be within the 1967 border, I.e. 22% of the whole. There is evidence Haniyeh wanted a peace deal.
I expect Hamas, and most other Palestinians, would prefer that Israel doesn’t exist. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t negotiate with them. And killing a political leader on foreign soil like that suggests that Israel wants war to continue or even escalate. And we expect the US to support it. It’s really scary.
Hi Camden, your more knowledgable that others on here. Me included..
After all that's happened in the past ,can you see any way forward where moderates on all sides could bring about a one state solution where Arabs and Jews can have an equal co existence.. ?
Sure there will be extremists on all sides trying to disrupt and destroy what moderates hope to achieve..
"Wow, what an honour, thank you! However, I feel that people far more knowledgable and experiences in foreign affairs and peacemaking have been failing for years, so I’m not sure what I can add…. But I do feel that mainstream Israeli and Jewish attitudes have to change somehow. e.g. re Israel never starting a war, constantly being attacked - I was raised zionist, and that’s what we’re taught. We’re taught nothing about the Naqba. Zionism’s responsibility for the expulsion of Palestinians in 1948 is ignored - despite statements by Zionist leaders supporting that since at least the 1890s. (Herzl spoke of spiriting the penniless locals across the border.) Until there is greater acknowledgment of Palestinians genuine grievance, going back over a century, I don’t see much hope for peace. Once they accept that, I think moderate parties will be able to work together to reach a solution that satisfies enough people. But as you say, there will always be extremists - we’re seeing it today in the UK. | |||
" However atrocious Hamas’ attack was, it’s either untrue or simplistic to say that they started it on 7 October. Would you say that it was started in 1947? What would you consider a start date? Your are 100% correct that it was not started on October 7th. However that was a major escalation that shattered the status quo (whether or not you believe that the status quo was heading in a relatively okay direction overall)." Interesting idea of a status quo heading in a direction… But if this it was a status quo, it was one of occupation, and it it was heading in a specific direction, it was of normalising it. So it’s no surprise that Hamas wanted that shattered. As to when it began - with the first waves of aliyah in the late nineteenth century. At the very least, since the 1917 Balfour Declaration. But I know from your posts that your well-informed, so I’m sure you knew that. I’m not saying it was inconceivable that Jews would move and live amicably amongst their neighbours. And there were always voices calling for that. But the strongest voices were calling for a “Jewish state”, which is in tension with the existence of people already there. It would also be in conflict with our Equality Act. | |||
" Interesting idea of a status quo heading in a direction… But if this it was a status quo, it was one of occupation, and it it was heading in a specific direction, it was of normalising it. So it’s no surprise that Hamas wanted that shattered. " The reported complacency of the Israeli government (leading up to October 7) was due to the fact that Hamas had not made any major moves in a while, that the status quo was holding and that Israel expected that, there would be a softening of restrictions in return for a kind of normalisation. (To explain how a status quo heads to somewhere). Whether your or not, it's another matter. " As to when it began - with the first waves of aliyah in the late nineteenth century. At the very least, since the 1917 Balfour Declaration. But I know from your posts that your well-informed, so I’m sure you knew that. I’m not saying it was inconceivable that Jews would move and live amicably amongst their neighbours. And there were always voices calling for that. But the strongest voices were calling for a “Jewish state”, which is in tension with the existence of people already there. It would also be in conflict with our Equality Act. " You say that it begins with the move of Israelis in the late nineteenth century. At that point in time, the region known as Israel/Palestine was a minor province in the Ottoman Empire. Zionists bought up land (sometimes illegally, through third parties, since Jews were often prevented from buying land). Would this be like, say, an ethno-religious group buying up large tracts of land in, say, Arizona, with the objective of creating a society there? (Early Zionists expected to live under Ottoman rule) It seems that much of the modern issue that people have with Israel today is viewing a different reality 150 years ago on a modern map, through a modern lens. That's not to say that all historical Zionists were either right or good. But there has certainly been bad behaviour on many fronts that led to where we are today. Is it possible that the vast majority of Jews who emigrated (or fled) to Israel did so as individuals or small groups, without colonial intentions, but rather "coz they're not gonna kill us there, and nobody else wants us"? Or even "because I want to reconnect with my historical roots"? 19th century immigration by Jews might just be like Indians coming over to London in today's day and age? | |||
" However atrocious Hamas’ attack was, it’s either untrue or simplistic to say that they started it on 7 October. Would you say that it was started in 1947? What would you consider a start date? Your are 100% correct that it was not started on October 7th. However that was a major escalation that shattered the status quo (whether or not you believe that the status quo was heading in a relatively okay direction overall). Interesting idea of a status quo heading in a direction… But if this it was a status quo, it was one of occupation, and it it was heading in a specific direction, it was of normalising it. So it’s no surprise that Hamas wanted that shattered. As to when it began - with the first waves of aliyah in the late nineteenth century. At the very least, since the 1917 Balfour Declaration. But I know from your posts that your well-informed, so I’m sure you knew that. I’m not saying it was inconceivable that Jews would move and live amicably amongst their neighbours. And there were always voices calling for that. But the strongest voices were calling for a “Jewish state”, which is in tension with the existence of people already there. It would also be in conflict with our Equality Act. " Given all that's happened could you ever see how they can ever resolve their differences and live peacefully? | |||
" However atrocious Hamas’ attack was, it’s either untrue or simplistic to say that they started it on 7 October. Would you say that it was started in 1947? What would you consider a start date? Your are 100% correct that it was not started on October 7th. However that was a major escalation that shattered the status quo (whether or not you believe that the status quo was heading in a relatively okay direction overall). Interesting idea of a status quo heading in a direction… But if this it was a status quo, it was one of occupation, and it it was heading in a specific direction, it was of normalising it. So it’s no surprise that Hamas wanted that shattered. As to when it began - with the first waves of aliyah in the late nineteenth century. At the very least, since the 1917 Balfour Declaration. But I know from your posts that your well-informed, so I’m sure you knew that. I’m not saying it was inconceivable that Jews would move and live amicably amongst their neighbours. And there were always voices calling for that. But the strongest voices were calling for a “Jewish state”, which is in tension with the existence of people already there. It would also be in conflict with our Equality Act. Given all that's happened could you ever see how they can ever resolve their differences and live peacefully?" Sadly not.....and not based on what has happened since 7th October. It goes back for millennia. I think that the mutual hatred is so deeply rooted that it will never happen. Putting a recognised border between the two that each side respects in the same way that India and Pakistan or North and South Korea were partitioned may be the only way to maintain some sort of peace. | |||
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"The real tragedy is it was too quick for him " 72 virgins waiting. | |||
" However atrocious Hamas’ attack was, it’s either untrue or simplistic to say that they started it on 7 October. Would you say that it was started in 1947? What would you consider a start date? Your are 100% correct that it was not started on October 7th. However that was a major escalation that shattered the status quo (whether or not you believe that the status quo was heading in a relatively okay direction overall). Interesting idea of a status quo heading in a direction… But if this it was a status quo, it was one of occupation, and it it was heading in a specific direction, it was of normalising it. So it’s no surprise that Hamas wanted that shattered. As to when it began - with the first waves of aliyah in the late nineteenth century. At the very least, since the 1917 Balfour Declaration. But I know from your posts that your well-informed, so I’m sure you knew that. I’m not saying it was inconceivable that Jews would move and live amicably amongst their neighbours. And there were always voices calling for that. But the strongest voices were calling for a “Jewish state”, which is in tension with the existence of people already there. It would also be in conflict with our Equality Act. Given all that's happened could you ever see how they can ever resolve their differences and live peacefully? Sadly not.....and not based on what has happened since 7th October. It goes back for millennia. I think that the mutual hatred is so deeply rooted that it will never happen. Putting a recognised border between the two that each side respects in the same way that India and Pakistan or North and South Korea were partitioned may be the only way to maintain some sort of peace." In theory, a two-state solution looks good. But what would happen in practice? Most likely the government of Gaza would be hijacked by Iran - just as the government of Lebanon has been. Then Israel has two 'legitimate' neighbours pledged to it's elimination and raining down rockets every day of the week. No, I can't see it working. | |||
"The real tragedy is it was too quick for him 72 virgins waiting. " Just imagine his disappointment when he actually sees it was all 🐂💩🤣🤣🤣 | |||
" Sadly not.....and not based on what has happened since 7th October. It goes back for millennia. I think that the mutual hatred is so deeply rooted that it will never happen. Putting a recognised border between the two that each side respects in the same way that India and Pakistan or North and South Korea were partitioned may be the only way to maintain some sort of peace." No. Iran will fund militias and will it be short of recruits. 40K dead and 100k mutilated in Gaza, this will be remembered for generations. The next generations of suicide bombers have already been Bourne. Islam only respects Islam. | |||
"Isn't it a slippery slope to be assassinating leaders? Does that mean leaders in the US, UK, EU are fair game? " you mean like 3 attempts on trump in 6 months | |||
"The real tragedy is it was too quick for him 72 virgins waiting. " yes and so much respect for women wonder if they have a choice in this lol | |||
"Isn't it a slippery slope to be assassinating leaders? Does that mean leaders in the US, UK, EU are fair game? " DONT THINK TERRORIST LEADERS ARE IN THE SAME CONVERSATION | |||
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"I'd rather be updated about the russian invasion of Ukraine but since they're a nuclear power, no-one seems to give a toss " With Netanyahu in charge of NATO’s support for Ukraine and Moscow would have been dust two years ago | |||
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"Isn't it a slippery slope to be assassinating leaders? Does that mean leaders in the US, UK, EU are fair game? DONT THINK TERRORIST LEADERS ARE IN THE SAME CONVERSATION " But then who gets to decide who, and who isn't a terrorist? Yahya Sinwar was a leader elected by the Palestinian people - the very ones getting all the public sympathy and apparently worthy of a their own state. | |||
"Isn't it a slippery slope to be assassinating leaders? Does that mean leaders in the US, UK, EU are fair game? DONT THINK TERRORIST LEADERS ARE IN THE SAME CONVERSATION But then who gets to decide who, and who isn't a terrorist? Yahya Sinwar was a leader elected by the Palestinian people - the very ones getting all the public sympathy and apparently worthy of a their own state." When was he elected? | |||
"Isn't it a slippery slope to be assassinating leaders? Does that mean leaders in the US, UK, EU are fair game? you mean like 3 attempts on trump in 6 months " 1 attempt. 1 plan (no attempt) And 1 … well, I don’t know what it was, but there was no attempt and no plan. | |||
"BBC had a national day of mourning "Did they? No | |||
"Isn't it a slippery slope to be assassinating leaders? Does that mean leaders in the US, UK, EU are fair game? DONT THINK TERRORIST LEADERS ARE IN THE SAME CONVERSATION But then who gets to decide who, and who isn't a terrorist? Yahya Sinwar was a leader elected by the Palestinian people - the very ones getting all the public sympathy and apparently worthy of a their own state." The same Palestinians cheering in the streets while Israeli women were being butchered | |||
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"Isn't it a slippery slope to be assassinating leaders? Does that mean leaders in the US, UK, EU are fair game? DONT THINK TERRORIST LEADERS ARE IN THE SAME CONVERSATION But then who gets to decide who, and who isn't a terrorist? Yahya Sinwar was a leader elected by the Palestinian people - the very ones getting all the public sympathy and apparently worthy of a their own state. The same Palestinians cheering in the streets while Israeli women were being butchered " Exactly and the same Palestinians who allow Hamas to walk within them and hide | |||
"Isn't it a slippery slope to be assassinating leaders? Does that mean leaders in the US, UK, EU are fair game? DONT THINK TERRORIST LEADERS ARE IN THE SAME CONVERSATION But then who gets to decide who, and who isn't a terrorist? Yahya Sinwar was a leader elected by the Palestinian people - the very ones getting all the public sympathy and apparently worthy of a their own state. The same Palestinians cheering in the streets while Israeli women were being butchered Exactly and the same Palestinians who allow Hamas to walk within them and hide " They don't hide behind woman and children, that's all made up by the Israelis Mrs x | |||
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