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" Only a matter of time before this was going to happen " Please could you explain why ? | |||
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"A large crowd has clashed with police in Southport, with protesters launching bricks near a mosque as tensions run high in the seaside down following Monday's knife rampage which claimed the lives of three young girls. Video has emerged of hundreds of protesters surrounding police vans and launching missiles at officers forcing them to flee. Only a matter of time before this was going to happen " You yourself on the death penalty quoted a blatant falsehood this afternoon in relation to the perpetrator.. One you could have easily checked was bullshit before posting.. | |||
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"It's what happens when people read stuff on the internet, stuff that's written in far away places who make up a name and claims to incite other people who are angry and want to lash out and to hurt other innocent people.. I hope the police deal with them.." Kick 'em in the head maybe? | |||
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"The BBC says he was born in Cardiff and his parents come from Rwanda." If he's from Cardiff they probably mean Rhiwbina | |||
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"It's what happens when people read stuff on the internet, stuff that's written in far away places who make up a name and claims to incite other people who are angry and want to lash out and to hurt other innocent people.. I hope the police deal with them.. Kick 'em in the head maybe?" No way! They should negotiate and if that doesn’t work they should retreat and hope for cctv to learn from. We won’t stand for any heavy handed policing here | |||
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"It's what happens when people read stuff on the internet, stuff that's written in far away places who make up a name and claims to incite other people who are angry and want to lash out and to hurt other innocent people.. I hope the police deal with them.. Kick 'em in the head maybe?" As they deem necessary and appropriate, given the thugs have been launching bricks at the police and some minor injuries to officers already.. | |||
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"Isn't the suspect Welsh? ..." You can be Welsh and Muslim One is a nationality, one is a religion | |||
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"Why are they rioting? Suspect in gaol so wait for the court to sentence or am I missing something?" That’s a very good question. | |||
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"Isn't the suspect Welsh? ... You can be Welsh and Muslim One is a nationality, one is a religion " So was he told to do it? | |||
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"Why are they rioting? Suspect in gaol so wait for the court to sentence or am I missing something?" Police are saying the far right in particular the EDL have been instrumental in tonight's gathering by the mob.. | |||
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"Why are they rioting? Suspect in gaol so wait for the court to sentence or am I missing something? Police are saying the far right in particular the EDL have been instrumental in tonight's gathering by the mob.." And yet it's the police who are getting the usual shit...any wonder they react occasionally? | |||
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"They would say that , id say its an upset community thats had a guts full. " The upset and traumatized community came together earlier, the thugs represent no one .. It's not acceptable to attack the very people who yesterday dealt with that vile offence.. | |||
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"The majority of Rwanda's population is Christian. About 45% belong to the Catholic faith, 35% to the Protestant faith. Only about 5% profess Islam. This is primarily due to the first German, later Belgian colonization, in the course of which the country was Christian missionized. Just saying "A million people were murdered in the Rwandan genocide. Not by the work of Sunday church goers. | |||
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"The majority of Rwanda's population is Christian. About 45% belong to the Catholic faith, 35% to the Protestant faith. Only about 5% profess Islam. This is primarily due to the first German, later Belgian colonization, in the course of which the country was Christian missionized. Just saying
A million people were murdered in the Rwandan genocide. Not by the work of Sunday church goers. "Think you are missing the point. This 17yr old murdering bastard was apparently born in Cardiff to Rwandan parents. Statistically it is more likely they were Christian. I am not aware the son’s religion has been revealed has it? Uf not then why attack a mosque? | |||
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"Nothing says respect for the police who attended the horrific incident like setting one of their vans on fire and throwing bricks at them." The news says this is the work of EDL/far right supporters The stabbers identity and religion should be made public, so that as others have eluded, he is confirmed not an asylum Seeker nor Muslim, then this should end attacks on peaceful Mosque goers. | |||
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"Nothing says respect for the police who attended the horrific incident like setting one of their vans on fire and throwing bricks at them." About time someone else acknowledged this | |||
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"Nothing says respect for the police who attended the horrific incident like setting one of their vans on fire and throwing bricks at them. The news says this is the work of EDL/far right supporters The stabbers identity and religion should be made public, so that as others have eluded, he is confirmed not an asylum Seeker nor Muslim, then this should end attacks on peaceful Mosque goers. " Or just not riot based on assumptions ? The rioters have autonomy. | |||
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"Nothing says respect for the police who attended the horrific incident like setting one of their vans on fire and throwing bricks at them. The news says this is the work of EDL/far right supporters The stabbers identity and religion should be made public, so that as others have eluded, he is confirmed not an asylum Seeker nor Muslim, then this should end attacks on peaceful Mosque goers. " The law says he can’t be named due to his age, we can’t go ignoring the law because a bunch of far right thugs riot. | |||
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"Nothing says respect for the police who attended the horrific incident like setting one of their vans on fire and throwing bricks at them. The news says this is the work of EDL/far right supporters The stabbers identity and religion should be made public, so that as others have eluded, he is confirmed not an asylum Seeker nor Muslim, then this should end attacks on peaceful Mosque goers. The law says he can’t be named due to his age, we can’t go ignoring the law because a bunch of far right thugs riot." Let's wait and see what the facts are before blaming far right thugs... could just as easily be far left thugs | |||
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"Good to see the new Labour government is bringing people together." Oooh using a tragedy involving the murder of children and thick thugs making assumptions the murderer is muslim to score political points. That’s a good look  | |||
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"The majority of Rwanda's population is Christian. About 45% belong to the Catholic faith, 35% to the Protestant faith. Only about 5% profess Islam. This is primarily due to the first German, later Belgian colonization, in the course of which the country was Christian missionized. Just saying "Ironic,is it not, that formerly colonised people who now, understandably, want their original culture respected and recognised, appear to be more than happy to embrace the religions of their oppressors? They would have been blissfully unaware of Christian churches before then. Funny old world! | |||
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"Nothing says respect for the police who attended the horrific incident like setting one of their vans on fire and throwing bricks at them. The news says this is the work of EDL/far right supporters The stabbers identity and religion should be made public, so that as others have eluded, he is confirmed not an asylum Seeker nor Muslim, then this should end attacks on peaceful Mosque goers. The law says he can’t be named due to his age, we can’t go ignoring the law because a bunch of far right thugs riot. Let's wait and see what the facts are before blaming far right thugs... could just as easily be far left thugs" Are you serious? You can clearly hear them shouting EDL and other nationalist chants.. Is it a conspiracy with the police naming the EDL because it's whom else? | |||
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"The majority of Rwanda's population is Christian. About 45% belong to the Catholic faith, 35% to the Protestant faith. Only about 5% profess Islam. This is primarily due to the first German, later Belgian colonization, in the course of which the country was Christian missionized. Just saying
Ironic,is it not, that formerly colonised people who now, understandably, want their original culture respected and recognised, appear to be more than happy to embrace the religions of their oppressors?
They would have been blissfully unaware of Christian churches before then. Funny old world!"It's the same old nonsense. I personally don't give a toss where he's from, what his religion is, how he identifies or anything else. He's allegedly killed or injured a number of innocents for which he should be locked up without any chance of release if found guilty | |||
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"The majority of Rwanda's population is Christian. About 45% belong to the Catholic faith, 35% to the Protestant faith. Only about 5% profess Islam. This is primarily due to the first German, later Belgian colonization, in the course of which the country was Christian missionized. Just saying
Ironic,is it not, that formerly colonised people who now, understandably, want their original culture respected and recognised, appear to be more than happy to embrace the religions of their oppressors?
They would have been blissfully unaware of Christian churches before then. Funny old world!
It's the same old nonsense. I personally don't give a toss where he's from, what his religion is, how he identifies or anything else. He's allegedly killed or injured a number of innocents for which he should be locked up without any chance of release if found guilty " | |||
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"Nothing says respect for the police who attended the horrific incident like setting one of their vans on fire and throwing bricks at them. The news says this is the work of EDL/far right supporters The stabbers identity and religion should be made public, so that as others have eluded, he is confirmed not an asylum Seeker nor Muslim, then this should end attacks on peaceful Mosque goers. The law says he can’t be named due to his age, we can’t go ignoring the law because a bunch of far right thugs riot. Let's wait and see what the facts are before blaming far right thugs... could just as easily be far left thugs" If we transport to a parallel universe, sure. But otherwise, no. | |||
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"Good to see the new Labour government is bringing people together." Good point, what about Labour? | |||
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"How are the police reacting to this, is it the same as Leeds, retreat and let them get on with it? They do need to be consistent or they will be adding fuel to the fire in my opinion." Let's see if any of these violent thugs gets five years. | |||
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"Nothing says respect for the police who attended the horrific incident like setting one of their vans on fire and throwing bricks at them. The news says this is the work of EDL/far right supporters The stabbers identity and religion should be made public, so that as others have eluded, he is confirmed not an asylum Seeker nor Muslim, then this should end attacks on peaceful Mosque goers. The law says he can’t be named due to his age, we can’t go ignoring the law because a bunch of far right thugs riot. Let's wait and see what the facts are before blaming far right thugs... could just as easily be far left thugs Are you serious? You can clearly hear them shouting EDL and other nationalist chants.. Is it a conspiracy with the police naming the EDL because it's whom else?" The now defunct EDL managed to mobilise "thousands" (according to someone who apparently lives on the road) inno time at all  | |||
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"Nothing says respect for the police who attended the horrific incident like setting one of their vans on fire and throwing bricks at them. The news says this is the work of EDL/far right supporters The stabbers identity and religion should be made public, so that as others have eluded, he is confirmed not an asylum Seeker nor Muslim, then this should end attacks on peaceful Mosque goers. The law says he can’t be named due to his age, we can’t go ignoring the law because a bunch of far right thugs riot. Let's wait and see what the facts are before blaming far right thugs... could just as easily be far left thugs Are you serious? You can clearly hear them shouting EDL and other nationalist chants.. Is it a conspiracy with the police naming the EDL because it's whom else? The now defunct EDL managed to mobilise "thousands" (according to someone who apparently lives on the road) inno time at all "Why is it in anyway funny that thugs have rioted? Most reports from print and other media are saying it was in the hundreds equally they are in agreement the EDL were responsible for the protest on the back of lies on the internet.. The EDL a cpl of years ago tried to march through Liverpool but didn't get out of Lime Street so yeah would despite that concede there is support for them pretty much all over.. Not sure the security services would describe them as defunct after last November and the gathering to see the video at the weekend.. | |||
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"Nothing says respect for the police who attended the horrific incident like setting one of their vans on fire and throwing bricks at them. The news says this is the work of EDL/far right supporters The stabbers identity and religion should be made public, so that as others have eluded, he is confirmed not an asylum Seeker nor Muslim, then this should end attacks on peaceful Mosque goers. The law says he can’t be named due to his age, we can’t go ignoring the law because a bunch of far right thugs riot. Let's wait and see what the facts are before blaming far right thugs... could just as easily be far left thugs Are you serious? You can clearly hear them shouting EDL and other nationalist chants.. Is it a conspiracy with the police naming the EDL because it's whom else? The now defunct EDL managed to mobilise "thousands" (according to someone who apparently lives on the road) inno time at all
Why is it in anyway funny that thugs have rioted?
Most reports from print and other media are saying it was in the hundreds equally they are in agreement the EDL were responsible for the protest on the back of lies on the internet..
The EDL a cpl of years ago tried to march through Liverpool but didn't get out of Lime Street so yeah would despite that concede there is support for them pretty much all over..
Not sure the security services would describe them as defunct after last November and the gathering to see the video at the weekend.."It's funny that everyone is saying EDL when they have been defunct for years. Even the Guardian say so. | |||
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"Nothing says respect for the police who attended the horrific incident like setting one of their vans on fire and throwing bricks at them. The news says this is the work of EDL/far right supporters The stabbers identity and religion should be made public, so that as others have eluded, he is confirmed not an asylum Seeker nor Muslim, then this should end attacks on peaceful Mosque goers. The law says he can’t be named due to his age, we can’t go ignoring the law because a bunch of far right thugs riot. Let's wait and see what the facts are before blaming far right thugs... could just as easily be far left thugs Are you serious? You can clearly hear them shouting EDL and other nationalist chants.. Is it a conspiracy with the police naming the EDL because it's whom else? The now defunct EDL managed to mobilise "thousands" (according to someone who apparently lives on the road) inno time at all
Why is it in anyway funny that thugs have rioted?
Most reports from print and other media are saying it was in the hundreds equally they are in agreement the EDL were responsible for the protest on the back of lies on the internet..
The EDL a cpl of years ago tried to march through Liverpool but didn't get out of Lime Street so yeah would despite that concede there is support for them pretty much all over..
Not sure the security services would describe them as defunct after last November and the gathering to see the video at the weekend.."BTW, the Lime St thing appears to be SEVEN years ago  | |||
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"Its what happens when kids end up dead and all the goverment and police want to do is protect the guilty partys. Lucky the internet is here, or you wouldnt here or see half. " | |||
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"Because we have unsecure borders and Because, may be not all, but certain groups have no intention of intergrating. " Well there's a bigoted view if ever there was one. Which groups have you studied and concluded that they have no intention of integrating? And for said study, can you define integration so that it's clear how your study was conducted and what conclusions were reached. | |||
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"Nothing says respect for the police who attended the horrific incident like setting one of their vans on fire and throwing bricks at them. The news says this is the work of EDL/far right supporters The stabbers identity and religion should be made public, so that as others have eluded, he is confirmed not an asylum Seeker nor Muslim, then this should end attacks on peaceful Mosque goers. The law says he can’t be named due to his age, we can’t go ignoring the law because a bunch of far right thugs riot. Let's wait and see what the facts are before blaming far right thugs... could just as easily be far left thugs Are you serious? You can clearly hear them shouting EDL and other nationalist chants.. Is it a conspiracy with the police naming the EDL because it's whom else? The now defunct EDL managed to mobilise "thousands" (according to someone who apparently lives on the road) inno time at all
Why is it in anyway funny that thugs have rioted?
Most reports from print and other media are saying it was in the hundreds equally they are in agreement the EDL were responsible for the protest on the back of lies on the internet..
The EDL a cpl of years ago tried to march through Liverpool but didn't get out of Lime Street so yeah would despite that concede there is support for them pretty much all over..
Not sure the security services would describe them as defunct after last November and the gathering to see the video at the weekend..
It's funny that everyone is saying EDL when they have been defunct for years. Even the Guardian say so. "The chants are there, as I said earlier all the print media plus television etc have reported that .. Whatever they rename themselves they're still racist thugs .. | |||
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"Good to see the new Labour government is bringing people together." You want to blame the govt for this? Get real! | |||
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"Because we have unsecure borders and Because, may be not all, but certain groups have no intention of intergrating. " Dead right. Those EDL types are beyond help, they don't integrate with ordinary people. | |||
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"Good to see the new Labour government is bringing people together. You want to blame the govt for this? Get real!" Sorry have you considered the following point. *Clears throat* What about Labour? | |||
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"Good to see the new Labour government is bringing people together. You want to blame the govt for this? Get real! Sorry have you considered the following point. *Clears throat* What about Labour? " Oh shhh you, it's the new govt, Labour, not the New Labour govt. | |||
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"Reports that looting one shop and setting fires across several areas is how some think protecting their England works.. "Bloody awful isn't it! Pathetic little men flexing their muscles, causing chaos, damage and injury, under the guise of protection. They need whipping. | |||
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"Reports that looting one shop and setting fires across several areas is how some think protecting their England works.. "The mind boggles. . Clearly a mob of this size is organised and orchestrated on some social media platform or another. Someone was "Organiser X". If arrests of the thugs have been made, then their phones and social media are going to be scrolled through and there will be an audit trail and timeline. . Organiser X needs to be tracked down and arrested for inciting public disorder. As well as all the other arrests for bodily harm/assault/criminal damage/ looting. | |||
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"Reports that looting one shop and setting fires across several areas is how some think protecting their England works..
Bloody awful isn't it!
Pathetic little men flexing their muscles, causing chaos, damage and injury, under the guise of protection. They need whipping."It is but it's not uncommon.. Scum will tag along and try to get away with anything, seen it in Brixton close hand on an audio shop and it was like a swarm .. | |||
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"Reports that looting one shop and setting fires across several areas is how some think protecting their England works..
The mind boggles.
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Clearly a mob of this size is organised and orchestrated on some social media platform or another.
Someone was "Organiser X".
If arrests of the thugs have been made, then their phones and social media are going to be scrolled through and there will be an audit trail and timeline.
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Organiser X needs to be tracked down and arrested for inciting public disorder. As well as all the other arrests for bodily harm/assault/criminal damage/ looting.
"The ones in the masks most likely, there's going to be lots of doors kicked in as the names to faces of those attacking the police are examined and identified.. The town isn't like that and the thugs terrorising quiet suburban areas don't represent them in my opinion so names will be given I would think.. | |||
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"It would appear they are at the mosque because a guy with a blade turned up to a vigil.... No reports of the arrest on MSM as far as I've seen. " Mail on line say he was arrested, a 32 year old just before 7pm.. | |||
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"It would appear they are at the mosque because a guy with a blade turned up to a vigil.... No reports of the arrest on MSM as far as I've seen. Mail on line say he was arrested, a 32 year old just before 7pm.. " Got it | |||
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"It would appear they are at the mosque because a guy with a blade turned up to a vigil.... No reports of the arrest on MSM as far as I've seen. Mail on line say he was arrested, a 32 year old just before 7pm.. " not clear from mail that they are at the mosque BECAUSE a guy turned up with a flick knife. Just that a man has been arrested. Colour, religion, place of birth and parentage not yet shared... | |||
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"It would appear they are at the mosque because a guy with a blade turned up to a vigil.... No reports of the arrest on MSM as far as I've seen. Mail on line say he was arrested, a 32 year old just before 7pm.. not clear from mail that they are at the mosque BECAUSE a guy turned up with a flick knife. Just that a man has been arrested. Colour, religion, place of birth and parentage not yet shared... " Yes, in Eastbank street which is about a quarter mile from the mosque.. It's just down from Lord street where the vigil was held | |||
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"Why are they rioting? Suspect in gaol so wait for the court to sentence or am I missing something?" For some folk it’s their hobby  Opportunity to smash shit up, maybe get in on some looting, all good fun init  | |||
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"Colour, religion, place of birth and parentage not yet shared... " Surely they mentioned their house value though ? So-called "journalists". pah ! | |||
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"It would appear they are at the mosque because a guy with a blade turned up to a vigil.... No reports of the arrest on MSM as far as I've seen. Mail on line say he was arrested, a 32 year old just before 7pm.. not clear from mail that they are at the mosque BECAUSE a guy turned up with a flick knife. Just that a man has been arrested. Colour, religion, place of birth and parentage not yet shared... " UkNIP website shows an image of his face while restrained by police. | |||
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"Because we have unsecure borders and Because, may be not all, but certain groups have no intention of intergrating. " Unsecured borders… I know… that bloody Severn bridge!!!! The Welsh got it right… pay to get in, free to leave! Oh… is that not what you meant!!!! | |||
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"Good to see the two tier policing continues apace. Harehills - run away and talk about community Southport - attack the protestors with dogs, call them thugs and announce that they will face “the full force of the law”. As I predicted yesterday this will give the politicians the chance they needed to move swiftly on to more comfortable ground: The threat of the “far right”. Talk about “racism”. The need to regulate speech on the internet. Already I see that Russia is being blamed. The original incident will be rapidly disappeared. " Just asking questions? | |||
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"Good to see the two tier policing continues apace. Harehills - run away and talk about community Southport - attack the protestors with dogs, call them thugs and announce that they will face “the full force of the law”. As I predicted yesterday this will give the politicians the chance they needed to move swiftly on to more comfortable ground: The threat of the “far right”. Talk about “racism”. The need to regulate speech on the internet. Already I see that Russia is being blamed. The original incident will be rapidly disappeared. " Well one is West Yorkshire Police and the other is Merseyside Police so maybe they have a different approach and tactics as dictated by their respective Chief Constable? | |||
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"Good to see the two tier policing continues apace. Harehills - run away and talk about community Southport - attack the protestors with dogs, call them thugs and announce that they will face “the full force of the law”. As I predicted yesterday this will give the politicians the chance they needed to move swiftly on to more comfortable ground: The threat of the “far right”. Talk about “racism”. The need to regulate speech on the internet. Already I see that Russia is being blamed. The original incident will be rapidly disappeared. Well one is West Yorkshire Police and the other is Merseyside Police so maybe they have a different approach and tactics as dictated by their respective Chief Constable?" I think this is evident here in the reporting of how the police reacted and reported the incidents: Harehills: West Yorkshire Police said a number of people had been held, though it did not specify how many, and said further arrests would be made in the coming days. Assistant Chief Constable Pat Twiggs said officers had been called to an address "after social workers reported being met with hostility when dealing with a child protection matter". He added: "Responding officers were attacked and helped children’s social care staff withdraw to a place of safety. As the disorder escalated, damage was caused to vehicles and several fires set. Mr Twiggs said the decision to withdraw officers from the scene was taken "as it was evident" that police were the "sole target" of the troublemakers. He added: "This allowed for further community mediation to take place in order to calm the situation. Southport: Earlier, Merseyside Police said eight officers sustained serious injuries including fractures, lacerations, a suspected broken nose and concussion. Other injuries included one officer being knocked unconscious, as well as some suffering head and serious facial injuries. Three police dogs were also hurt, with two having bricks thrown at them. The disorder, which police said was believed to involve English Defence League supporters, began only a few streets away from Wednesday's vigil location, near to a mosque on St Luke's Road in Southport. Those involved threw bricks at the mosque, set fire to cars and wheelie bins and caused damage to a local convenience store, police said. In total, 27 officers were taken to hospital, and 12 were treated and discharged at the scene, the ambulance service said. As a result of the disorder, a 24-hour section 60 Order has been introduced in the area, giving officers enhanced stop and search powers to stop individuals, police said, adding that it will be in place until 19:54 BST on Wednesday. A section 34 Order has also been introduced, allowing police to direct people who are engaging in antisocial behaviour or are "likely to become involved in such behaviour". Merseyside Police said extra officers will remain in the area "to provide a visible presence and reassure communities. I have seen footage of both riots and they looked very similar to my untrained eye. The police have reacted differently or reported differently, and maybe they need to start becoming more aligned to remove any feelings of 2 tier policing. | |||
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"Good to see the two tier policing continues apace. Harehills - run away and talk about community Southport - attack the protestors with dogs, call them thugs and announce that they will face “the full force of the law”. As I predicted yesterday this will give the politicians the chance they needed to move swiftly on to more comfortable ground: The threat of the “far right”. Talk about “racism”. The need to regulate speech on the internet. Already I see that Russia is being blamed. The original incident will be rapidly disappeared. Well one is West Yorkshire Police and the other is Merseyside Police so maybe they have a different approach and tactics as dictated by their respective Chief Constable? I think this is evident here in the reporting of how the police reacted and reported the incidents: Harehills: West Yorkshire Police said a number of people had been held, though it did not specify how many, and said further arrests would be made in the coming days. Assistant Chief Constable Pat Twiggs said officers had been called to an address "after social workers reported being met with hostility when dealing with a child protection matter". He added: "Responding officers were attacked and helped children’s social care staff withdraw to a place of safety. As the disorder escalated, damage was caused to vehicles and several fires set. Mr Twiggs said the decision to withdraw officers from the scene was taken "as it was evident" that police were the "sole target" of the troublemakers. He added: "This allowed for further community mediation to take place in order to calm the situation. Southport: Earlier, Merseyside Police said eight officers sustained serious injuries including fractures, lacerations, a suspected broken nose and concussion. Other injuries included one officer being knocked unconscious, as well as some suffering head and serious facial injuries. Three police dogs were also hurt, with two having bricks thrown at them. The disorder, which police said was believed to involve English Defence League supporters, began only a few streets away from Wednesday's vigil location, near to a mosque on St Luke's Road in Southport. Those involved threw bricks at the mosque, set fire to cars and wheelie bins and caused damage to a local convenience store, police said. In total, 27 officers were taken to hospital, and 12 were treated and discharged at the scene, the ambulance service said. As a result of the disorder, a 24-hour section 60 Order has been introduced in the area, giving officers enhanced stop and search powers to stop individuals, police said, adding that it will be in place until 19:54 BST on Wednesday. A section 34 Order has also been introduced, allowing police to direct people who are engaging in antisocial behaviour or are "likely to become involved in such behaviour". Merseyside Police said extra officers will remain in the area "to provide a visible presence and reassure communities. I have seen footage of both riots and they looked very similar to my untrained eye. The police have reacted differently or reported differently, and maybe they need to start becoming more aligned to remove any feelings of 2 tier policing. " Different trigger points, so different responses. And I didn't hear the Roma community chanting "Allah, Allah, who the f*** is Allah". The rioting had nothing to do with supporting the grieving families. | |||
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"Good to see the two tier policing continues apace. Harehills - run away and talk about community Southport - attack the protestors with dogs, call them thugs and announce that they will face “the full force of the law”. As I predicted yesterday this will give the politicians the chance they needed to move swiftly on to more comfortable ground: The threat of the “far right”. Talk about “racism”. The need to regulate speech on the internet. Already I see that Russia is being blamed. The original incident will be rapidly disappeared. Well one is West Yorkshire Police and the other is Merseyside Police so maybe they have a different approach and tactics as dictated by their respective Chief Constable? I think this is evident here in the reporting of how the police reacted and reported the incidents: Harehills: West Yorkshire Police said a number of people had been held, though it did not specify how many, and said further arrests would be made in the coming days. Assistant Chief Constable Pat Twiggs said officers had been called to an address "after social workers reported being met with hostility when dealing with a child protection matter". He added: "Responding officers were attacked and helped children’s social care staff withdraw to a place of safety. As the disorder escalated, damage was caused to vehicles and several fires set. Mr Twiggs said the decision to withdraw officers from the scene was taken "as it was evident" that police were the "sole target" of the troublemakers. He added: "This allowed for further community mediation to take place in order to calm the situation. Southport: Earlier, Merseyside Police said eight officers sustained serious injuries including fractures, lacerations, a suspected broken nose and concussion. Other injuries included one officer being knocked unconscious, as well as some suffering head and serious facial injuries. Three police dogs were also hurt, with two having bricks thrown at them. The disorder, which police said was believed to involve English Defence League supporters, began only a few streets away from Wednesday's vigil location, near to a mosque on St Luke's Road in Southport. Those involved threw bricks at the mosque, set fire to cars and wheelie bins and caused damage to a local convenience store, police said. In total, 27 officers were taken to hospital, and 12 were treated and discharged at the scene, the ambulance service said. As a result of the disorder, a 24-hour section 60 Order has been introduced in the area, giving officers enhanced stop and search powers to stop individuals, police said, adding that it will be in place until 19:54 BST on Wednesday. A section 34 Order has also been introduced, allowing police to direct people who are engaging in antisocial behaviour or are "likely to become involved in such behaviour". Merseyside Police said extra officers will remain in the area "to provide a visible presence and reassure communities. I have seen footage of both riots and they looked very similar to my untrained eye. The police have reacted differently or reported differently, and maybe they need to start becoming more aligned to remove any feelings of 2 tier policing. " Interesting. In the UK we have a federated police system with each force having a high degree of autonomy working within Home Office guidelines and the law. But apparently policing different communities differently will indeed create a perception that can lead to anger and resentment. | |||
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"Good to see the two tier policing continues apace. Harehills - run away and talk about community Southport - attack the protestors with dogs, call them thugs and announce that they will face “the full force of the law”. As I predicted yesterday this will give the politicians the chance they needed to move swiftly on to more comfortable ground: The threat of the “far right”. Talk about “racism”. The need to regulate speech on the internet. Already I see that Russia is being blamed. The original incident will be rapidly disappeared. Well one is West Yorkshire Police and the other is Merseyside Police so maybe they have a different approach and tactics as dictated by their respective Chief Constable? I think this is evident here in the reporting of how the police reacted and reported the incidents: Harehills: West Yorkshire Police said a number of people had been held, though it did not specify how many, and said further arrests would be made in the coming days. Assistant Chief Constable Pat Twiggs said officers had been called to an address "after social workers reported being met with hostility when dealing with a child protection matter". He added: "Responding officers were attacked and helped children’s social care staff withdraw to a place of safety. As the disorder escalated, damage was caused to vehicles and several fires set. Mr Twiggs said the decision to withdraw officers from the scene was taken "as it was evident" that police were the "sole target" of the troublemakers. He added: "This allowed for further community mediation to take place in order to calm the situation. Southport: Earlier, Merseyside Police said eight officers sustained serious injuries including fractures, lacerations, a suspected broken nose and concussion. Other injuries included one officer being knocked unconscious, as well as some suffering head and serious facial injuries. Three police dogs were also hurt, with two having bricks thrown at them. The disorder, which police said was believed to involve English Defence League supporters, began only a few streets away from Wednesday's vigil location, near to a mosque on St Luke's Road in Southport. Those involved threw bricks at the mosque, set fire to cars and wheelie bins and caused damage to a local convenience store, police said. In total, 27 officers were taken to hospital, and 12 were treated and discharged at the scene, the ambulance service said. As a result of the disorder, a 24-hour section 60 Order has been introduced in the area, giving officers enhanced stop and search powers to stop individuals, police said, adding that it will be in place until 19:54 BST on Wednesday. A section 34 Order has also been introduced, allowing police to direct people who are engaging in antisocial behaviour or are "likely to become involved in such behaviour". Merseyside Police said extra officers will remain in the area "to provide a visible presence and reassure communities. I have seen footage of both riots and they looked very similar to my untrained eye. The police have reacted differently or reported differently, and maybe they need to start becoming more aligned to remove any feelings of 2 tier policing. Interesting. In the UK we have a federated police system with each force having a high degree of autonomy working within Home Office guidelines and the law. But apparently policing different communities differently will indeed create a perception that can lead to anger and resentment. " Fast forward a few decades and certain communities will have won the right for local rule under their own laws and methods. It's inevitable. | |||
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"Good to see the two tier policing continues apace. Harehills - run away and talk about community Southport - attack the protestors with dogs, call them thugs and announce that they will face “the full force of the law”. As I predicted yesterday this will give the politicians the chance they needed to move swiftly on to more comfortable ground: The threat of the “far right”. Talk about “racism”. The need to regulate speech on the internet. Already I see that Russia is being blamed. The original incident will be rapidly disappeared. Well one is West Yorkshire Police and the other is Merseyside Police so maybe they have a different approach and tactics as dictated by their respective Chief Constable? I think this is evident here in the reporting of how the police reacted and reported the incidents: Harehills: West Yorkshire Police said a number of people had been held, though it did not specify how many, and said further arrests would be made in the coming days. Assistant Chief Constable Pat Twiggs said officers had been called to an address "after social workers reported being met with hostility when dealing with a child protection matter". He added: "Responding officers were attacked and helped children’s social care staff withdraw to a place of safety. As the disorder escalated, damage was caused to vehicles and several fires set. Mr Twiggs said the decision to withdraw officers from the scene was taken "as it was evident" that police were the "sole target" of the troublemakers. He added: "This allowed for further community mediation to take place in order to calm the situation. Southport: Earlier, Merseyside Police said eight officers sustained serious injuries including fractures, lacerations, a suspected broken nose and concussion. Other injuries included one officer being knocked unconscious, as well as some suffering head and serious facial injuries. Three police dogs were also hurt, with two having bricks thrown at them. The disorder, which police said was believed to involve English Defence League supporters, began only a few streets away from Wednesday's vigil location, near to a mosque on St Luke's Road in Southport. Those involved threw bricks at the mosque, set fire to cars and wheelie bins and caused damage to a local convenience store, police said. In total, 27 officers were taken to hospital, and 12 were treated and discharged at the scene, the ambulance service said. As a result of the disorder, a 24-hour section 60 Order has been introduced in the area, giving officers enhanced stop and search powers to stop individuals, police said, adding that it will be in place until 19:54 BST on Wednesday. A section 34 Order has also been introduced, allowing police to direct people who are engaging in antisocial behaviour or are "likely to become involved in such behaviour". Merseyside Police said extra officers will remain in the area "to provide a visible presence and reassure communities. I have seen footage of both riots and they looked very similar to my untrained eye. The police have reacted differently or reported differently, and maybe they need to start becoming more aligned to remove any feelings of 2 tier policing. Interesting. In the UK we have a federated police system with each force having a high degree of autonomy working within Home Office guidelines and the law. But apparently policing different communities differently will indeed create a perception that can lead to anger and resentment. " There was also GMP who allowed an angry mob to attack a police station. The issue is the continued perception of the different styles dependant on the community. It seems like one way for the white guy and another way for everyone else. | |||
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"Good to see the two tier policing continues apace. Harehills - run away and talk about community Southport - attack the protestors with dogs, call them thugs and announce that they will face “the full force of the law”. As I predicted yesterday this will give the politicians the chance they needed to move swiftly on to more comfortable ground: The threat of the “far right”. Talk about “racism”. The need to regulate speech on the internet. Already I see that Russia is being blamed. The original incident will be rapidly disappeared. Well one is West Yorkshire Police and the other is Merseyside Police so maybe they have a different approach and tactics as dictated by their respective Chief Constable? I think this is evident here in the reporting of how the police reacted and reported the incidents: Harehills: West Yorkshire Police said a number of people had been held, though it did not specify how many, and said further arrests would be made in the coming days. Assistant Chief Constable Pat Twiggs said officers had been called to an address "after social workers reported being met with hostility when dealing with a child protection matter". He added: "Responding officers were attacked and helped children’s social care staff withdraw to a place of safety. As the disorder escalated, damage was caused to vehicles and several fires set. Mr Twiggs said the decision to withdraw officers from the scene was taken "as it was evident" that police were the "sole target" of the troublemakers. He added: "This allowed for further community mediation to take place in order to calm the situation. Southport: Earlier, Merseyside Police said eight officers sustained serious injuries including fractures, lacerations, a suspected broken nose and concussion. Other injuries included one officer being knocked unconscious, as well as some suffering head and serious facial injuries. Three police dogs were also hurt, with two having bricks thrown at them. The disorder, which police said was believed to involve English Defence League supporters, began only a few streets away from Wednesday's vigil location, near to a mosque on St Luke's Road in Southport. Those involved threw bricks at the mosque, set fire to cars and wheelie bins and caused damage to a local convenience store, police said. In total, 27 officers were taken to hospital, and 12 were treated and discharged at the scene, the ambulance service said. As a result of the disorder, a 24-hour section 60 Order has been introduced in the area, giving officers enhanced stop and search powers to stop individuals, police said, adding that it will be in place until 19:54 BST on Wednesday. A section 34 Order has also been introduced, allowing police to direct people who are engaging in antisocial behaviour or are "likely to become involved in such behaviour". Merseyside Police said extra officers will remain in the area "to provide a visible presence and reassure communities. I have seen footage of both riots and they looked very similar to my untrained eye. The police have reacted differently or reported differently, and maybe they need to start becoming more aligned to remove any feelings of 2 tier policing. Interesting. In the UK we have a federated police system with each force having a high degree of autonomy working within Home Office guidelines and the law. But apparently policing different communities differently will indeed create a perception that can lead to anger and resentment. Fast forward a few decades and certain communities will have won the right for local rule under their own laws and methods. It's inevitable." They’ll be voting for local leaders to run the services in those communities, they’ll have some strange sort of title like ‘mayor’. | |||
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"Just checking that we are all condemning the rioters who have put 11 police officers in hospital, yeah? I mean it’s obviously not as serious as a fight in an airport but still." Will any of them get 4-5 year sentences? Violent protests by racists are presumably more serious than a peaceful protest against big money corporations damaging the planet. | |||
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"Good to see the two tier policing continues apace. Harehills - run away and talk about community Southport - attack the protestors with dogs, call them thugs and announce that they will face “the full force of the law”. As I predicted yesterday this will give the politicians the chance they needed to move swiftly on to more comfortable ground: The threat of the “far right”. Talk about “racism”. The need to regulate speech on the internet. Already I see that Russia is being blamed. The original incident will be rapidly disappeared. Well one is West Yorkshire Police and the other is Merseyside Police so maybe they have a different approach and tactics as dictated by their respective Chief Constable? I think this is evident here in the reporting of how the police reacted and reported the incidents: Harehills: West Yorkshire Police said a number of people had been held, though it did not specify how many, and said further arrests would be made in the coming days. Assistant Chief Constable Pat Twiggs said officers had been called to an address "after social workers reported being met with hostility when dealing with a child protection matter". He added: "Responding officers were attacked and helped children’s social care staff withdraw to a place of safety. As the disorder escalated, damage was caused to vehicles and several fires set. Mr Twiggs said the decision to withdraw officers from the scene was taken "as it was evident" that police were the "sole target" of the troublemakers. He added: "This allowed for further community mediation to take place in order to calm the situation. Southport: Earlier, Merseyside Police said eight officers sustained serious injuries including fractures, lacerations, a suspected broken nose and concussion. Other injuries included one officer being knocked unconscious, as well as some suffering head and serious facial injuries. Three police dogs were also hurt, with two having bricks thrown at them. The disorder, which police said was believed to involve English Defence League supporters, began only a few streets away from Wednesday's vigil location, near to a mosque on St Luke's Road in Southport. Those involved threw bricks at the mosque, set fire to cars and wheelie bins and caused damage to a local convenience store, police said. In total, 27 officers were taken to hospital, and 12 were treated and discharged at the scene, the ambulance service said. As a result of the disorder, a 24-hour section 60 Order has been introduced in the area, giving officers enhanced stop and search powers to stop individuals, police said, adding that it will be in place until 19:54 BST on Wednesday. A section 34 Order has also been introduced, allowing police to direct people who are engaging in antisocial behaviour or are "likely to become involved in such behaviour". Merseyside Police said extra officers will remain in the area "to provide a visible presence and reassure communities. I have seen footage of both riots and they looked very similar to my untrained eye. The police have reacted differently or reported differently, and maybe they need to start becoming more aligned to remove any feelings of 2 tier policing. Interesting. In the UK we have a federated police system with each force having a high degree of autonomy working within Home Office guidelines and the law. But apparently policing different communities differently will indeed create a perception that can lead to anger and resentment. Fast forward a few decades and certain communities will have won the right for local rule under their own laws and methods. It's inevitable. They’ll be voting for local leaders to run the services in those communities, they’ll have some strange sort of title like ‘mayor’." Like the Guardian reports: https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/17/hamtramck-michigan-muslim-council-lgbtq-pride-flags-banned | |||
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"Just checking that we are all condemning the rioters who have put 11 police officers in hospital, yeah? I mean it’s obviously not as serious as a fight in an airport but still. Will any of them get 4-5 year sentences? Violent protests by racists are presumably more serious than a peaceful protest against big money corporations damaging the planet." I would assume those that are arrested will face prosecution and have to face what the law dictates. I don't know if their law breaking carries the same type of sentence as the JSO law breaking but both are very serious | |||
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"I'm not 100pc sure what is being protested here... We don't know the attackers religion, nor do we know by which route his parents came to the UK. As an aside, whoever brought a knife to (or near to) the vigil should have the full force thrown at them. " Which religion, and which route his parents had taken to get into the UK would be the combination to justify these violent racists' protest? | |||
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"Just checking that we are all condemning the rioters who have put 11 police officers in hospital, yeah? I mean it’s obviously not as serious as a fight in an airport but still. Will any of them get 4-5 year sentences? Violent protests by racists are presumably more serious than a peaceful protest against big money corporations damaging the planet. I would assume those that are arrested will face prosecution and have to face what the law dictates. I don't know if their law breaking carries the same type of sentence as the JSO law breaking but both are very serious" Presumably racially motivated violent protesters won't get a sentence anywhere near the climate peaceful protesters. | |||
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"Just checking that we are all condemning the rioters who have put 11 police officers in hospital, yeah? I mean it’s obviously not as serious as a fight in an airport but still. Will any of them get 4-5 year sentences? Violent protests by racists are presumably more serious than a peaceful protest against big money corporations damaging the planet. I would assume those that are arrested will face prosecution and have to face what the law dictates. I don't know if their law breaking carries the same type of sentence as the JSO law breaking but both are very serious Presumably racially motivated violent protesters won't get a sentence anywhere near the climate peaceful protesters. " Who are you referring to when you say, racially motivated violent protestors, which incident? | |||
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"Just checking that we are all condemning the rioters who have put 11 police officers in hospital, yeah? I mean it’s obviously not as serious as a fight in an airport but still. Will any of them get 4-5 year sentences? Violent protests by racists are presumably more serious than a peaceful protest against big money corporations damaging the planet. I would assume those that are arrested will face prosecution and have to face what the law dictates. I don't know if their law breaking carries the same type of sentence as the JSO law breaking but both are very serious Presumably racially motivated violent protesters won't get a sentence anywhere near the climate peaceful protesters. Who are you referring to when you say, racially motivated violent protestors, which incident?" Any of the racially motivated violent incidents in Southport, as per the thread. From sky news this morning "Police have condemned "sickening" violence that has erupted outside a mosque in Southport, believed to have been instigated by supporters of the far right group English Defence League." I'll pick this one above as my example. More info on their story on their site. | |||
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"Just checking that we are all condemning the rioters who have put 11 police officers in hospital, yeah? I mean it’s obviously not as serious as a fight in an airport but still. Will any of them get 4-5 year sentences? Violent protests by racists are presumably more serious than a peaceful protest against big money corporations damaging the planet. I would assume those that are arrested will face prosecution and have to face what the law dictates. I don't know if their law breaking carries the same type of sentence as the JSO law breaking but both are very serious Presumably racially motivated violent protesters won't get a sentence anywhere near the climate peaceful protesters. " The climate protesters broke laws sufficient to see them jailed. Like you I don't know the sentence awaiting those involved last night but to me violence like that , be it racially motivated or not, should carry a hefty sentence. I'm not sure if there is a sort of table that shows what crimes carry what sentence. | |||
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"Just checking that we are all condemning the rioters who have put 11 police officers in hospital, yeah? I mean it’s obviously not as serious as a fight in an airport but still. Will any of them get 4-5 year sentences? Violent protests by racists are presumably more serious than a peaceful protest against big money corporations damaging the planet. I would assume those that are arrested will face prosecution and have to face what the law dictates. I don't know if their law breaking carries the same type of sentence as the JSO law breaking but both are very serious Presumably racially motivated violent protesters won't get a sentence anywhere near the climate peaceful protesters. The climate protesters broke laws sufficient to see them jailed. Like you I don't know the sentence awaiting those involved last night but to me violence like that , be it racially motivated or not, should carry a hefty sentence. I'm not sure if there is a sort of table that shows what crimes carry what sentence. " https://www.gov.uk/how-sentences-are-worked-out https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/ | |||
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"Its what happens when kids end up dead and all the goverment and police want to do is protect the guilty partys. Lucky the internet is here, or you wouldnt here or see half. " You know the internet is pretty much responsible for the riots? Half wits using social media to spread untruths about the boys religion and where he follows his faith. He's apparently not a Moslem and is not a member of that Mosque. Lucky us for the internet eh.... | |||
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"Good to see the two tier policing continues apace. Harehills - run away and talk about community Southport - attack the protestors with dogs, call them thugs and announce that they will face “the full force of the law”. As I predicted yesterday this will give the politicians the chance they needed to move swiftly on to more comfortable ground: The threat of the “far right”. Talk about “racism”. The need to regulate speech on the internet. Already I see that Russia is being blamed. The original incident will be rapidly disappeared. Well one is West Yorkshire Police and the other is Merseyside Police so maybe they have a different approach and tactics as dictated by their respective Chief Constable? I think this is evident here in the reporting of how the police reacted and reported the incidents: Harehills: West Yorkshire Police said a number of people had been held, though it did not specify how many, and said further arrests would be made in the coming days. Assistant Chief Constable Pat Twiggs said officers had been called to an address "after social workers reported being met with hostility when dealing with a child protection matter". He added: "Responding officers were attacked and helped children’s social care staff withdraw to a place of safety. As the disorder escalated, damage was caused to vehicles and several fires set. Mr Twiggs said the decision to withdraw officers from the scene was taken "as it was evident" that police were the "sole target" of the troublemakers. He added: "This allowed for further community mediation to take place in order to calm the situation. Southport: Earlier, Merseyside Police said eight officers sustained serious injuries including fractures, lacerations, a suspected broken nose and concussion. Other injuries included one officer being knocked unconscious, as well as some suffering head and serious facial injuries. Three police dogs were also hurt, with two having bricks thrown at them. The disorder, which police said was believed to involve English Defence League supporters, began only a few streets away from Wednesday's vigil location, near to a mosque on St Luke's Road in Southport. Those involved threw bricks at the mosque, set fire to cars and wheelie bins and caused damage to a local convenience store, police said. In total, 27 officers were taken to hospital, and 12 were treated and discharged at the scene, the ambulance service said. As a result of the disorder, a 24-hour section 60 Order has been introduced in the area, giving officers enhanced stop and search powers to stop individuals, police said, adding that it will be in place until 19:54 BST on Wednesday. A section 34 Order has also been introduced, allowing police to direct people who are engaging in antisocial behaviour or are "likely to become involved in such behaviour". Merseyside Police said extra officers will remain in the area "to provide a visible presence and reassure communities. I have seen footage of both riots and they looked very similar to my untrained eye. The police have reacted differently or reported differently, and maybe they need to start becoming more aligned to remove any feelings of 2 tier policing. Interesting. In the UK we have a federated police system with each force having a high degree of autonomy working within Home Office guidelines and the law. But apparently policing different communities differently will indeed create a perception that can lead to anger and resentment. " Policing is like parenting, there should be standardisation but also tailoring to the situation and child/community. | |||
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"Just checking that we are all condemning the rioters who have put 11 police officers in hospital, yeah? I mean it’s obviously not as serious as a fight in an airport but still. Will any of them get 4-5 year sentences? Violent protests by racists are presumably more serious than a peaceful protest against big money corporations damaging the planet." Don't be silly  | |||
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"Just checking that we are all condemning the rioters who have put 11 police officers in hospital, yeah? I mean it’s obviously not as serious as a fight in an airport but still. Will any of them get 4-5 year sentences? Violent protests by racists are presumably more serious than a peaceful protest against big money corporations damaging the planet. I would assume those that are arrested will face prosecution and have to face what the law dictates. I don't know if their law breaking carries the same type of sentence as the JSO law breaking but both are very serious Presumably racially motivated violent protesters won't get a sentence anywhere near the climate peaceful protesters. Who are you referring to when you say, racially motivated violent protestors, which incident? Any of the racially motivated violent incidents in Southport, as per the thread. From sky news this morning "Police have condemned "sickening" violence that has erupted outside a mosque in Southport, believed to have been instigated by supporters of the far right group English Defence League." I'll pick this one above as my example. More info on their story on their site." I have spent a 20 mins looking at the videos that are all over twitter of that incident last night in Southport. I have seen the following: The mouthy twats singing Tommy Robinson and Allah chants were on the behind the police line and recording the rioting. an it seemed to be a handful in number. The footage from people in the riot was stand offs, charges and counter charges. My point here is I'm not convinced from what I have seen this was organised by EDL, it appears a few mouthy bystanders were shouting behind the police lines. I'm not defending actions of rioting, I just feel there is a perspective / reporting issue | |||
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"Just checking that we are all condemning the rioters who have put 11 police officers in hospital, yeah? I mean it’s obviously not as serious as a fight in an airport but still. Will any of them get 4-5 year sentences? Violent protests by racists are presumably more serious than a peaceful protest against big money corporations damaging the planet. I would assume those that are arrested will face prosecution and have to face what the law dictates. I don't know if their law breaking carries the same type of sentence as the JSO law breaking but both are very serious Presumably racially motivated violent protesters won't get a sentence anywhere near the climate peaceful protesters. The climate protesters broke laws sufficient to see them jailed. Like you I don't know the sentence awaiting those involved last night but to me violence like that , be it racially motivated or not, should carry a hefty sentence. I'm not sure if there is a sort of table that shows what crimes carry what sentence. https://www.gov.uk/how-sentences-are-worked-out https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/ " Thank you. So from a bit I read after searching riot, as it involved attacks on the police it is a category 1 which says 6 or 7 years depending on other factors. I did see under a different offence that racial motivation greatly increases the sentence so assume the same applies but that's a guess. The sentence can be reduced if for instance the offender pleads guilty, no previous convictions, remorse etc etc. | |||
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"Just checking that we are all condemning the rioters who have put 11 police officers in hospital, yeah? I mean it’s obviously not as serious as a fight in an airport but still. Will any of them get 4-5 year sentences? Violent protests by racists are presumably more serious than a peaceful protest against big money corporations damaging the planet." Indeed, if you get 4 years for talking about sitting on a road to save the planet, how much is it for throwing a bin and bricks at a mosque while shouting Allah is a cunt | |||
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"Just checking that we are all condemning the rioters who have put 11 police officers in hospital, yeah? I mean it’s obviously not as serious as a fight in an airport but still. Will any of them get 4-5 year sentences? Violent protests by racists are presumably more serious than a peaceful protest against big money corporations damaging the planet. Indeed, if you get 4 years for talking about sitting on a road to save the planet, how much is it for throwing a bin and bricks at a mosque while shouting Allah is a cunt " Read Leroy above ^^^ | |||
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"Just checking that we are all condemning the rioters who have put 11 police officers in hospital, yeah? I mean it’s obviously not as serious as a fight in an airport but still. Will any of them get 4-5 year sentences? Violent protests by racists are presumably more serious than a peaceful protest against big money corporations damaging the planet. I would assume those that are arrested will face prosecution and have to face what the law dictates. I don't know if their law breaking carries the same type of sentence as the JSO law breaking but both are very serious Presumably racially motivated violent protesters won't get a sentence anywhere near the climate peaceful protesters. Who are you referring to when you say, racially motivated violent protestors, which incident? Any of the racially motivated violent incidents in Southport, as per the thread. From sky news this morning "Police have condemned "sickening" violence that has erupted outside a mosque in Southport, believed to have been instigated by supporters of the far right group English Defence League." I'll pick this one above as my example. More info on their story on their site. I have spent a 20 mins looking at the videos that are all over twitter of that incident last night in Southport. I have seen the following: The mouthy twats singing Tommy Robinson and Allah chants were on the behind the police line and recording the rioting. an it seemed to be a handful in number. The footage from people in the riot was stand offs, charges and counter charges. My point here is I'm not convinced from what I have seen this was organised by EDL, it appears a few mouthy bystanders were shouting behind the police lines. I'm not defending actions of rioting, I just feel there is a perspective / reporting issue " It is useful deflection. Any comment from powers at be on the apparent Middle Eastern man photographed with the flick knife. | |||
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"Just checking that we are all condemning the rioters who have put 11 police officers in hospital, yeah? I mean it’s obviously not as serious as a fight in an airport but still. Will any of them get 4-5 year sentences? Violent protests by racists are presumably more serious than a peaceful protest against big money corporations damaging the planet. I would assume those that are arrested will face prosecution and have to face what the law dictates. I don't know if their law breaking carries the same type of sentence as the JSO law breaking but both are very serious Presumably racially motivated violent protesters won't get a sentence anywhere near the climate peaceful protesters. Who are you referring to when you say, racially motivated violent protestors, which incident? Any of the racially motivated violent incidents in Southport, as per the thread. From sky news this morning "Police have condemned "sickening" violence that has erupted outside a mosque in Southport, believed to have been instigated by supporters of the far right group English Defence League." I'll pick this one above as my example. More info on their story on their site. I have spent a 20 mins looking at the videos that are all over twitter of that incident last night in Southport. I have seen the following: The mouthy twats singing Tommy Robinson and Allah chants were on the behind the police line and recording the rioting. an it seemed to be a handful in number. The footage from people in the riot was stand offs, charges and counter charges. My point here is I'm not convinced from what I have seen this was organised by EDL, it appears a few mouthy bystanders were shouting behind the police lines. I'm not defending actions of rioting, I just feel there is a perspective / reporting issue It is useful deflection. Any comment from powers at be on the apparent Middle Eastern man photographed with the flick knife. " I haven't seen anything other than he was arrested in the area and it triggered the riot. I have looked at the riot in Leeds, the initial removal of the children, which was the trigger point in Leeds was different but the unfolding destruction was similar to start with but worsened in Leeds. The police response was very different, Southport police pushed on with dogs and riot gear and Leeds police went home. | |||
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" The police response was very different, Southport police pushed on with dogs and riot gear and Leeds police went home." Cultural. Scousers ready for a barney with the bizzies Yorkshire men need to get home for tea | |||
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"Just checking that we are all condemning the rioters who have put 11 police officers in hospital, yeah? I mean it’s obviously not as serious as a fight in an airport but still. Will any of them get 4-5 year sentences? Violent protests by racists are presumably more serious than a peaceful protest against big money corporations damaging the planet. I would assume those that are arrested will face prosecution and have to face what the law dictates. I don't know if their law breaking carries the same type of sentence as the JSO law breaking but both are very serious Presumably racially motivated violent protesters won't get a sentence anywhere near the climate peaceful protesters. Who are you referring to when you say, racially motivated violent protestors, which incident? Any of the racially motivated violent incidents in Southport, as per the thread. From sky news this morning "Police have condemned "sickening" violence that has erupted outside a mosque in Southport, believed to have been instigated by supporters of the far right group English Defence League." I'll pick this one above as my example. More info on their story on their site. I have spent a 20 mins looking at the videos that are all over twitter of that incident last night in Southport. I have seen the following: The mouthy twats singing Tommy Robinson and Allah chants were on the behind the police line and recording the rioting. an it seemed to be a handful in number. The footage from people in the riot was stand offs, charges and counter charges. My point here is I'm not convinced from what I have seen this was organised by EDL, it appears a few mouthy bystanders were shouting behind the police lines. I'm not defending actions of rioting, I just feel there is a perspective / reporting issue It is useful deflection. Any comment from powers at be on the apparent Middle Eastern man photographed with the flick knife. " 32 male from Standish. Nothing official on ethnicity. Or religion. Grainy video at best. | |||
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" The police response was very different, Southport police pushed on with dogs and riot gear and Leeds police went home. Cultural. Scousers ready for a barney with the bizzies Yorkshire men need to get home for tea "That's because we train our wives better, tea when man is home from the boozer.. | |||
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"Just checking that we are all condemning the rioters who have put 11 police officers in hospital, yeah? I mean it’s obviously not as serious as a fight in an airport but still. Will any of them get 4-5 year sentences? Violent protests by racists are presumably more serious than a peaceful protest against big money corporations damaging the planet. I would assume those that are arrested will face prosecution and have to face what the law dictates. I don't know if their law breaking carries the same type of sentence as the JSO law breaking but both are very serious Presumably racially motivated violent protesters won't get a sentence anywhere near the climate peaceful protesters. Who are you referring to when you say, racially motivated violent protestors, which incident? Any of the racially motivated violent incidents in Southport, as per the thread. From sky news this morning "Police have condemned "sickening" violence that has erupted outside a mosque in Southport, believed to have been instigated by supporters of the far right group English Defence League." I'll pick this one above as my example. More info on their story on their site. I have spent a 20 mins looking at the videos that are all over twitter of that incident last night in Southport. I have seen the following: The mouthy twats singing Tommy Robinson and Allah chants were on the behind the police line and recording the rioting. an it seemed to be a handful in number. The footage from people in the riot was stand offs, charges and counter charges. My point here is I'm not convinced from what I have seen this was organised by EDL, it appears a few mouthy bystanders were shouting behind the police lines. I'm not defending actions of rioting, I just feel there is a perspective / reporting issue It is useful deflection. Any comment from powers at be on the apparent Middle Eastern man photographed with the flick knife. 32 male from Standish. Nothing official on ethnicity. Or religion. Grainy video at best. " Standish is further away from Southport than we are, of course he might have gone there for the vigil but then why take a knife.. | |||
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"Just checking that we are all condemning the rioters who have put 11 police officers in hospital, yeah? I mean it’s obviously not as serious as a fight in an airport but still. Will any of them get 4-5 year sentences? Violent protests by racists are presumably more serious than a peaceful protest against big money corporations damaging the planet. I would assume those that are arrested will face prosecution and have to face what the law dictates. I don't know if their law breaking carries the same type of sentence as the JSO law breaking but both are very serious Presumably racially motivated violent protesters won't get a sentence anywhere near the climate peaceful protesters. Who are you referring to when you say, racially motivated violent protestors, which incident? Any of the racially motivated violent incidents in Southport, as per the thread. From sky news this morning "Police have condemned "sickening" violence that has erupted outside a mosque in Southport, believed to have been instigated by supporters of the far right group English Defence League." I'll pick this one above as my example. More info on their story on their site. I have spent a 20 mins looking at the videos that are all over twitter of that incident last night in Southport. I have seen the following: The mouthy twats singing Tommy Robinson and Allah chants were on the behind the police line and recording the rioting. an it seemed to be a handful in number. The footage from people in the riot was stand offs, charges and counter charges. My point here is I'm not convinced from what I have seen this was organised by EDL, it appears a few mouthy bystanders were shouting behind the police lines. I'm not defending actions of rioting, I just feel there is a perspective / reporting issue " If the racist morons were organised by the EDL or not isn't really high up on my list of things to be concerned about to be honest. | |||
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"Four out the five arrested up to now are not from Southport.. Does tend to back up so far what the police and others have said about them not being from there.." I've just read 4 arrested (one of which was the guy with the blade), the others from Liverpool, St Helens & Southport. Taken from Merseyside Police. | |||
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"Four out the five arrested up to now are not from Southport.. Does tend to back up so far what the police and others have said about them not being from there.. I've just read 4 arrested (one of which was the guy with the blade), the others from Liverpool, St Helens & Southport. Taken from Merseyside Police. " one with blade had a probation address in Stockport. | |||
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"Four out the five arrested up to now are not from Southport.. Does tend to back up so far what the police and others have said about them not being from there.. I've just read 4 arrested (one of which was the guy with the blade), the others from Liverpool, St Helens & Southport. Taken from Merseyside Police. one with blade had a probation address in Stockport. " Although I read last night he was from Standish which is not far from Wigan.. | |||
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"If you want a laugh, well it made me laugh... Twitter Southport riots, guy gives his best hard man walk towards a line of officers in riot gear, a house brick is thrown at the police and hit our protagonist on the back of the head, he grabs his head with his hands, turning back to face the rioters and another house brick is thrown hitting him in the nuts. I think that might have been the end of his riot and the begining of his infamy "It is funny
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"So I got the figure wrong I think, it's four arrests..
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"So I got the figure wrong I think, it's four arrests..
it's four plus the original one
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"If you want a laugh, well it made me laugh... Twitter Southport riots, guy gives his best hard man walk towards a line of officers in riot gear, a house brick is thrown at the police and hit our protagonist on the back of the head, he grabs his head with his hands, turning back to face the rioters and another house brick is thrown hitting him in the nuts. I think that might have been the end of his riot and the begining of his infamy "Did he start quoting the Carry on dialogue..Infamy, Infamy | |||
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"If you want a laugh, well it made me laugh... Twitter Southport riots, guy gives his best hard man walk towards a line of officers in riot gear, a house brick is thrown at the police and hit our protagonist on the back of the head, he grabs his head with his hands, turning back to face the rioters and another house brick is thrown hitting him in the nuts. I think that might have been the end of his riot and the begining of his infamy "Are you grinning cos you can hear in your head "infamy,infamy, he's got it in for me" - carry on, luv  | |||
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"If you want a laugh, well it made me laugh... Twitter Southport riots, guy gives his best hard man walk towards a line of officers in riot gear, a house brick is thrown at the police and hit our protagonist on the back of the head, he grabs his head with his hands, turning back to face the rioters and another house brick is thrown hitting him in the nuts. I think that might have been the end of his riot and the begining of his infamy
Did he start quoting the Carry on dialogue..Infamy, Infamy "Great minds... | |||
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" Only a matter of time before this was going to happen " There are some nasty far right thugs, ever eager to stoke divisions and degradation of society, at any cost. | |||
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" Only a matter of time before this was going to happen There are some nasty far right thugs, ever eager to stoke divisions and degradation of society, at any cost." The thugs on the left are equally as bad to be fair, and worse on occasion | |||
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"If you want a laugh, well it made me laugh... Twitter Southport riots, guy gives his best hard man walk towards a line of officers in riot gear, a house brick is thrown at the police and hit our protagonist on the back of the head, he grabs his head with his hands, turning back to face the rioters and another house brick is thrown hitting him in the nuts. I think that might have been the end of his riot and the begining of his infamy
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"If you want a laugh, well it made me laugh... Twitter Southport riots, guy gives his best hard man walk towards a line of officers in riot gear, a house brick is thrown at the police and hit our protagonist on the back of the head, he grabs his head with his hands, turning back to face the rioters and another house brick is thrown hitting him in the nuts. I think that might have been the end of his riot and the begining of his infamy
Did he start quoting the Carry on dialogue..Infamy, Infamy "I bet he was and still is | |||
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"If you want a laugh, well it made me laugh... Twitter Southport riots, guy gives his best hard man walk towards a line of officers in riot gear, a house brick is thrown at the police and hit our protagonist on the back of the head, he grabs his head with his hands, turning back to face the rioters and another house brick is thrown hitting him in the nuts. I think that might have been the end of his riot and the begining of his infamy
Did he start quoting the Carry on dialogue..Infamy, Infamy
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"Like the far left have been doing for the last few years. And they are far left. If you don’t agree with that narrative you get classed as far right. Madness, nobody is allowed an opinion anymore. Robotic minds" Did you just call yourself out? | |||
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"Like the far left have been doing for the last few years. And they are far left. If you don’t agree with that narrative you get classed as far right. Madness, nobody is allowed an opinion anymore. Robotic minds" It's the fringes on both the left and right, they and the ones in the background you'll never see tearing up paving slabs or smashing some corporate offices.. It's fine to call both out when it's appropriate and be comfortable that you can do so without being labelled.. Which again is used by both sides as a part of the strategy.. | |||
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" The man in question was not British " What is he ? | |||
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" Only a matter of time before this was going to happen There are some nasty far right thugs, ever eager to stoke divisions and degradation of society, at any cost. The thugs on the left are equally as bad to be fair, and worse on occasion " Thugs are thugs, let's not minimise thuggery dependent upon the way they swing | |||
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" Only a matter of time before this was going to happen There are some nasty far right thugs, ever eager to stoke divisions and degradation of society, at any cost. The thugs on the left are equally as bad to be fair, and worse on occasion Thugs are thugs, let's not minimise thuggery dependent upon the way they swing "Which what I said...  | |||
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"Two tiered policing system, it’s not going to end well. Plus the day the riot started, footage went round of a knife man threatening people at a flat The story got round and in anger people took to the street. The man in question was not British " If he was British, would that make it ok? | |||
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"Two tiered policing system, it’s not going to end well. Plus the day the riot started, footage went round of a knife man threatening people at a flat The story got round and in anger people took to the street. The man in question was not British If he was British, would that make it ok?" It would change the way the media reports it, and the awful murders would be largely ignored by the type of people who enjoy rioting at a mosque. | |||
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"Two tiered policing system, it’s not going to end well. Plus the day the riot started, footage went round of a knife man threatening people at a flat The story got round and in anger people took to the street. The man in question was not British If he was British, would that make it ok? It would change the way the media reports it, and the awful murders would be largely ignored by the type of people who enjoy rioting at a mosque. " I see. Ive just seen that the knife man has been named. | |||
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"Attacker named in court Axel Muganwa Rudakubana Born in UK" Did you see his picture? To my eyes looks female  | |||
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"Yes just reading it, claims it was Russian media that started the rumours that he recently arrived by boat and was on an M16 watchlist " Yep Russia funded “news sources” are already at war with the West with the aim of causing disruption and social unrest. Fascinating interview on LBC this morning with the retired head of MI6 (or “British Intelligence Services”) who was talking about this saying the clandestine/covert activity is worse than ever including during the Cold War with the USSR. | |||
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"Attacker named in court Axel Muganwa Rudakubana Born in UK" Although the judge is quite correct, it seems that mobs can now force names/identities to be released: "Continuing to prevent full reporting at this stage has a disadvantage of allowing others up to mischief to continue to spread misinformation in a vacuum" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cydvr9d0vd3t?post=asset%3A29786913-a502-4258-80be-3549c8d0be2c#post | |||
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"Attacker named in court Axel Muganwa Rudakubana Born in UK Did you see his picture? To my eyes looks female "The only photo I've seen looks like a 10 year old. | |||
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"Attacker named in court Axel Muganwa Rudakubana Born in UK Although the judge is quite correct, it seems that mobs can now force names/identities to be released: "Continuing to prevent full reporting at this stage has a disadvantage of allowing others up to mischief to continue to spread misinformation in a vacuum" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cydvr9d0vd3t?post=asset%3A29786913-a502-4258-80be-3549c8d0be2c#post " He is 18 next week, and if the cloak and dagger restrictions are lifted people can stop making stuff up, makes sense for the sake of a week. Although, now his name is out there it is going to create a “we knew it” and the next time the press and police hold back it will go nuclear again. | |||
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"Yes just reading it, claims it was Russian media that started the rumours that he recently arrived by boat and was on an M16 watchlist Yep Russia funded “news sources” are already at war with the West with the aim of causing disruption and social unrest. Fascinating interview on LBC this morning with the retired head of MI6 (or “British Intelligence Services”) who was talking about this saying the clandestine/covert activity is worse than ever including during the Cold War with the USSR." The genius of the Russian disinformation program is that they only need to leak out a bit of ‘information’ that panders to the prejudices that are already held and the idiots do the rest. By that point the idiots will of want to admit they’ve been fooled and will double down on their actions, doing far more than the Russians ever will. Should I offer a prize for the first ’both sides’ comment? | |||
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"Yes just reading it, claims it was Russian media that started the rumours that he recently arrived by boat and was on an M16 watchlist Yep Russia funded “news sources” are already at war with the West with the aim of causing disruption and social unrest. Fascinating interview on LBC this morning with the retired head of MI6 (or “British Intelligence Services”) who was talking about this saying the clandestine/covert activity is worse than ever including during the Cold War with the USSR. The genius of the Russian disinformation program is that they only need to leak out a bit of ‘information’ that panders to the prejudices that are already held and the idiots do the rest. By that point the idiots will of want to admit they’ve been fooled and will double down on their actions, doing far more than the Russians ever will. Should I offer a prize for the first ’both sides’ comment?" Russian and Chinese disinformation goes far deeper than surface level. They have been funding and supporting left wing activists and ideals for years, they have stated many times strengthening those outliers to become mainstream, weakens the fabric of the society. Google is your friend, it is out there and you will need more than 30 seconds to get into the history. | |||
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"Yes just reading it, claims it was Russian media that started the rumours that he recently arrived by boat and was on an M16 watchlist Yep Russia funded “news sources” are already at war with the West with the aim of causing disruption and social unrest. Fascinating interview on LBC this morning with the retired head of MI6 (or “British Intelligence Services”) who was talking about this saying the clandestine/covert activity is worse than ever including during the Cold War with the USSR. The genius of the Russian disinformation program is that they only need to leak out a bit of ‘information’ that panders to the prejudices that are already held and the idiots do the rest. By that point the idiots will of want to admit they’ve been fooled and will double down on their actions, doing far more than the Russians ever will. Should I offer a prize for the first ’both sides’ comment? Russian and Chinese disinformation goes far deeper than surface level. They have been funding and supporting left wing activists and ideals for years, they have stated many times strengthening those outliers to become mainstream, weakens the fabric of the society. Google is your friend, it is out there and you will need more than 30 seconds to get into the history." You win the both sides prize! | |||
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"Yes just reading it, claims it was Russian media that started the rumours that he recently arrived by boat and was on an M16 watchlist Yep Russia funded “news sources” are already at war with the West with the aim of causing disruption and social unrest. Fascinating interview on LBC this morning with the retired head of MI6 (or “British Intelligence Services”) who was talking about this saying the clandestine/covert activity is worse than ever including during the Cold War with the USSR. The genius of the Russian disinformation program is that they only need to leak out a bit of ‘information’ that panders to the prejudices that are already held and the idiots do the rest. By that point the idiots will of want to admit they’ve been fooled and will double down on their actions, doing far more than the Russians ever will. Should I offer a prize for the first ’both sides’ comment? Russian and Chinese disinformation goes far deeper than surface level. They have been funding and supporting left wing activists and ideals for years, they have stated many times strengthening those outliers to become mainstream, weakens the fabric of the society. Google is your friend, it is out there and you will need more than 30 seconds to get into the history." He told you not to try the 'both sides' argument. Didn't you know it is only the 'far right' who are gullible, racist, thick idiots | |||
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"Yes just reading it, claims it was Russian media that started the rumours that he recently arrived by boat and was on an M16 watchlist Yep Russia funded “news sources” are already at war with the West with the aim of causing disruption and social unrest. Fascinating interview on LBC this morning with the retired head of MI6 (or “British Intelligence Services”) who was talking about this saying the clandestine/covert activity is worse than ever including during the Cold War with the USSR. The genius of the Russian disinformation program is that they only need to leak out a bit of ‘information’ that panders to the prejudices that are already held and the idiots do the rest. By that point the idiots will of want to admit they’ve been fooled and will double down on their actions, doing far more than the Russians ever will. Should I offer a prize for the first ’both sides’ comment? Russian and Chinese disinformation goes far deeper than surface level. They have been funding and supporting left wing activists and ideals for years, they have stated many times strengthening those outliers to become mainstream, weakens the fabric of the society. Google is your friend, it is out there and you will need more than 30 seconds to get into the history." The russians and others will use anyone to disrupt, same as the west has and does.. We did however take our eye off the bear post 89, we as in the west .. | |||
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"Yes just reading it, claims it was Russian media that started the rumours that he recently arrived by boat and was on an M16 watchlist Yep Russia funded “news sources” are already at war with the West with the aim of causing disruption and social unrest. Fascinating interview on LBC this morning with the retired head of MI6 (or “British Intelligence Services”) who was talking about this saying the clandestine/covert activity is worse than ever including during the Cold War with the USSR. The genius of the Russian disinformation program is that they only need to leak out a bit of ‘information’ that panders to the prejudices that are already held and the idiots do the rest. By that point the idiots will of want to admit they’ve been fooled and will double down on their actions, doing far more than the Russians ever will. Should I offer a prize for the first ’both sides’ comment? Russian and Chinese disinformation goes far deeper than surface level. They have been funding and supporting left wing activists and ideals for years, they have stated many times strengthening those outliers to become mainstream, weakens the fabric of the society. Google is your friend, it is out there and you will need more than 30 seconds to get into the history. He told you not to try the 'both sides' argument. Didn't you know it is only the 'far right' who are gullible, racist, thick idiots "The irony is frightening, it really is. | |||
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"Yes just reading it, claims it was Russian media that started the rumours that he recently arrived by boat and was on an M16 watchlist Yep Russia funded “news sources” are already at war with the West with the aim of causing disruption and social unrest. Fascinating interview on LBC this morning with the retired head of MI6 (or “British Intelligence Services”) who was talking about this saying the clandestine/covert activity is worse than ever including during the Cold War with the USSR. The genius of the Russian disinformation program is that they only need to leak out a bit of ‘information’ that panders to the prejudices that are already held and the idiots do the rest. By that point the idiots will of want to admit they’ve been fooled and will double down on their actions, doing far more than the Russians ever will. Should I offer a prize for the first ’both sides’ comment? Russian and Chinese disinformation goes far deeper than surface level. They have been funding and supporting left wing activists and ideals for years, they have stated many times strengthening those outliers to become mainstream, weakens the fabric of the society. Google is your friend, it is out there and you will need more than 30 seconds to get into the history." Left wing lol. Putin isn’t left wing. Russia is no longer left wing. You cannot really call them right wing either actually, though many Russian commentators do. However, Putin is nationalistic, imperialistic, and anti-west. | |||
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"Yes just reading it, claims it was Russian media that started the rumours that he recently arrived by boat and was on an M16 watchlist Yep Russia funded “news sources” are already at war with the West with the aim of causing disruption and social unrest. Fascinating interview on LBC this morning with the retired head of MI6 (or “British Intelligence Services”) who was talking about this saying the clandestine/covert activity is worse than ever including during the Cold War with the USSR. The genius of the Russian disinformation program is that they only need to leak out a bit of ‘information’ that panders to the prejudices that are already held and the idiots do the rest. By that point the idiots will of want to admit they’ve been fooled and will double down on their actions, doing far more than the Russians ever will. Should I offer a prize for the first ’both sides’ comment? Russian and Chinese disinformation goes far deeper than surface level. They have been funding and supporting left wing activists and ideals for years, they have stated many times strengthening those outliers to become mainstream, weakens the fabric of the society. Google is your friend, it is out there and you will need more than 30 seconds to get into the history. The russians and others will use anyone to disrupt, same as the west has and does.. We did however take our eye off the bear post 89, we as in the west .. " there is an excellent video, i think it is on youtube now from a Russian defector who talk through the disruption strategies. What blew my mind was the length of time and money they are prepared to commit to these things. They do seem to now have a ROI though. | |||
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"Yes just reading it, claims it was Russian media that started the rumours that he recently arrived by boat and was on an M16 watchlist Yep Russia funded “news sources” are already at war with the West with the aim of causing disruption and social unrest. Fascinating interview on LBC this morning with the retired head of MI6 (or “British Intelligence Services”) who was talking about this saying the clandestine/covert activity is worse than ever including during the Cold War with the USSR. The genius of the Russian disinformation program is that they only need to leak out a bit of ‘information’ that panders to the prejudices that are already held and the idiots do the rest. By that point the idiots will of want to admit they’ve been fooled and will double down on their actions, doing far more than the Russians ever will. Should I offer a prize for the first ’both sides’ comment? Russian and Chinese disinformation goes far deeper than surface level. They have been funding and supporting left wing activists and ideals for years, they have stated many times strengthening those outliers to become mainstream, weakens the fabric of the society. Google is your friend, it is out there and you will need more than 30 seconds to get into the history. Left wing lol. Putin isn’t left wing. Russia is no longer left wing. You cannot really call them right wing either actually, though many Russian commentators do. However, Putin is nationalistic, imperialistic, and anti-west." Are you replying my comment? If you are can you explain what the connection is? | |||
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"This reminds my of the mob in South Wales who burnt down the home of a paediatrician because they didn't understand the difference with a paed0phile." Thick as mince. These people live amongst us  | |||
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"Yes just reading it, claims it was Russian media that started the rumours that he recently arrived by boat and was on an M16 watchlist Yep Russia funded “news sources” are already at war with the West with the aim of causing disruption and social unrest. Fascinating interview on LBC this morning with the retired head of MI6 (or “British Intelligence Services”) who was talking about this saying the clandestine/covert activity is worse than ever including during the Cold War with the USSR. The genius of the Russian disinformation program is that they only need to leak out a bit of ‘information’ that panders to the prejudices that are already held and the idiots do the rest. By that point the idiots will of want to admit they’ve been fooled and will double down on their actions, doing far more than the Russians ever will. Should I offer a prize for the first ’both sides’ comment? Russian and Chinese disinformation goes far deeper than surface level. They have been funding and supporting left wing activists and ideals for years, they have stated many times strengthening those outliers to become mainstream, weakens the fabric of the society. Google is your friend, it is out there and you will need more than 30 seconds to get into the history. Left wing lol. Putin isn’t left wing. Russia is no longer left wing. You cannot really call them right wing either actually, though many Russian commentators do. However, Putin is nationalistic, imperialistic, and anti-west. Are you replying my comment? If you are can you explain what the connection is? " No just a general comment. Someone already said Putin/Russia will use whoever (left/right) to attack (from within) the West. | |||
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"It’s the Russians , isn’t that convenient. Yer right what a load of crap. " Please feel free to take that up with the former head of MI6. Sow the seed and then watch the hard of thinking latch onto it and start causing trouble. Job done | |||
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"Yes just reading it, claims it was Russian media that started the rumours that he recently arrived by boat and was on an M16 watchlist Yep Russia funded “news sources” are already at war with the West with the aim of causing disruption and social unrest. Fascinating interview on LBC this morning with the retired head of MI6 (or “British Intelligence Services”) who was talking about this saying the clandestine/covert activity is worse than ever including during the Cold War with the USSR. The genius of the Russian disinformation program is that they only need to leak out a bit of ‘information’ that panders to the prejudices that are already held and the idiots do the rest. By that point the idiots will of want to admit they’ve been fooled and will double down on their actions, doing far more than the Russians ever will. Should I offer a prize for the first ’both sides’ comment? Russian and Chinese disinformation goes far deeper than surface level. They have been funding and supporting left wing activists and ideals for years, they have stated many times strengthening those outliers to become mainstream, weakens the fabric of the society. Google is your friend, it is out there and you will need more than 30 seconds to get into the history. Left wing lol. Putin isn’t left wing. Russia is no longer left wing. You cannot really call them right wing either actually, though many Russian commentators do. However, Putin is nationalistic, imperialistic, and anti-west. Are you replying my comment? If you are can you explain what the connection is? No just a general comment. Someone already said Putin/Russia will use whoever (left/right) to attack (from within) the West." They have been successfully getting on with it, so much so that it touches us every day. The undermining of western society started years ago, and they found early on that subverting a society was easier from within. Encourage a change of sense and sensibilities to begin to undermine the structures, once established step back and allow organic growth. It is not just the Russians, although they have become very good at it. | |||
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"Like the far left have been doing for the last few years. And they are far left. If you don’t agree with that narrative you get classed as far right. Madness, nobody is allowed an opinion anymore. Robotic minds Did you just call yourself out?" HOWS that calling myself out? Again you dont agree so use the race card. LETS AGREE NOT TO TALK | |||
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"It’s the Russians , isn’t that convenient. Yer right what a load of crap. Please feel free to take that up with the former head of MI6. Sow the seed and then watch the hard of thinking latch onto it and start causing trouble. Job done "Russia does not even come into to my thinking when i see areas of my city destroyed and unsafe now. I Just use my eyes and make my own mind up | |||
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"Yes just reading it, claims it was Russian media that started the rumours that he recently arrived by boat and was on an M16 watchlist Yep Russia funded “news sources” are already at war with the West with the aim of causing disruption and social unrest. Fascinating interview on LBC this morning with the retired head of MI6 (or “British Intelligence Services”) who was talking about this saying the clandestine/covert activity is worse than ever including during the Cold War with the USSR. The genius of the Russian disinformation program is that they only need to leak out a bit of ‘information’ that panders to the prejudices that are already held and the idiots do the rest. By that point the idiots will of want to admit they’ve been fooled and will double down on their actions, doing far more than the Russians ever will. Should I offer a prize for the first ’both sides’ comment? Russian and Chinese disinformation goes far deeper than surface level. They have been funding and supporting left wing activists and ideals for years, they have stated many times strengthening those outliers to become mainstream, weakens the fabric of the society. Google is your friend, it is out there and you will need more than 30 seconds to get into the history. He told you not to try the 'both sides' argument. Didn't you know it is only the 'far right' who are gullible, racist, thick idiots
The irony is frightening, it really is. "Who mentioned the far right? I didn’t. | |||
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"It’s the Russians , isn’t that convenient. Yer right what a load of crap. Please feel free to take that up with the former head of MI6. Sow the seed and then watch the hard of thinking latch onto it and start causing trouble. Job done "Sure the head or former head of MI6 is probably a spy or has a background in espionage. Have a guess what , spy lie for a living. | |||
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"Yes just reading it, claims it was Russian media that started the rumours that he recently arrived by boat and was on an M16 watchlist Yep Russia funded “news sources” are already at war with the West with the aim of causing disruption and social unrest. Fascinating interview on LBC this morning with the retired head of MI6 (or “British Intelligence Services”) who was talking about this saying the clandestine/covert activity is worse than ever including during the Cold War with the USSR. The genius of the Russian disinformation program is that they only need to leak out a bit of ‘information’ that panders to the prejudices that are already held and the idiots do the rest. By that point the idiots will of want to admit they’ve been fooled and will double down on their actions, doing far more than the Russians ever will. Should I offer a prize for the first ’both sides’ comment? Russian and Chinese disinformation goes far deeper than surface level. They have been funding and supporting left wing activists and ideals for years, they have stated many times strengthening those outliers to become mainstream, weakens the fabric of the society. Google is your friend, it is out there and you will need more than 30 seconds to get into the history. He told you not to try the 'both sides' argument. Didn't you know it is only the 'far right' who are gullible, racist, thick idiots
The irony is frightening, it really is.
Who mentioned the far right? I didn’t."who mentioned both sides, I didn't | |||
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"It’s the Russians , isn’t that convenient. Yer right what a load of crap. Please feel free to take that up with the former head of MI6. Sow the seed and then watch the hard of thinking latch onto it and start causing trouble. Job done
Sure the head or former head of MI6 is probably a spy or has a background in espionage. Have a guess what , spy lie for a living. "Oh dear
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"It’s the Russians , isn’t that convenient. Yer right what a load of crap. Please feel free to take that up with the former head of MI6. Sow the seed and then watch the hard of thinking latch onto it and start causing trouble. Job done
Russia does not even come into to my thinking when i see areas of my city destroyed and unsafe now. I Just use my eyes and make my own mind up"Can you elaborate please? | |||
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"Yes just reading it, claims it was Russian media that started the rumours that he recently arrived by boat and was on an M16 watchlist Yep Russia funded “news sources” are already at war with the West with the aim of causing disruption and social unrest. Fascinating interview on LBC this morning with the retired head of MI6 (or “British Intelligence Services”) who was talking about this saying the clandestine/covert activity is worse than ever including during the Cold War with the USSR. The genius of the Russian disinformation program is that they only need to leak out a bit of ‘information’ that panders to the prejudices that are already held and the idiots do the rest. By that point the idiots will of want to admit they’ve been fooled and will double down on their actions, doing far more than the Russians ever will. Should I offer a prize for the first ’both sides’ comment? Russian and Chinese disinformation goes far deeper than surface level. They have been funding and supporting left wing activists and ideals for years, they have stated many times strengthening those outliers to become mainstream, weakens the fabric of the society. Google is your friend, it is out there and you will need more than 30 seconds to get into the history. He told you not to try the 'both sides' argument. Didn't you know it is only the 'far right' who are gullible, racist, thick idiots
The irony is frightening, it really is.
Who mentioned the far right? I didn’t.
who mentioned both sides, I didn't"No, I did, and then you both sided because you assumed I was only talking about right wingers. | |||
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"It’s the Russians , isn’t that convenient. Yer right what a load of crap. Please feel free to take that up with the former head of MI6. Sow the seed and then watch the hard of thinking latch onto it and start causing trouble. Job done
Russia does not even come into to my thinking when i see areas of my city destroyed and unsafe now. I Just use my eyes and make my own mind up"why did people destroy Southport? | |||
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"Yes just reading it, claims it was Russian media that started the rumours that he recently arrived by boat and was on an M16 watchlist Yep Russia funded “news sources” are already at war with the West with the aim of causing disruption and social unrest. Fascinating interview on LBC this morning with the retired head of MI6 (or “British Intelligence Services”) who was talking about this saying the clandestine/covert activity is worse than ever including during the Cold War with the USSR. The genius of the Russian disinformation program is that they only need to leak out a bit of ‘information’ that panders to the prejudices that are already held and the idiots do the rest. By that point the idiots will of want to admit they’ve been fooled and will double down on their actions, doing far more than the Russians ever will. Should I offer a prize for the first ’both sides’ comment? Russian and Chinese disinformation goes far deeper than surface level. They have been funding and supporting left wing activists and ideals for years, they have stated many times strengthening those outliers to become mainstream, weakens the fabric of the society. Google is your friend, it is out there and you will need more than 30 seconds to get into the history. He told you not to try the 'both sides' argument. Didn't you know it is only the 'far right' who are gullible, racist, thick idiots
The irony is frightening, it really is.
Who mentioned the far right? I didn’t.
who mentioned both sides, I didn't
No, I did, and then you both sided because you assumed I was only talking about right wingers."No I didn't I gave an example of Russian and Chinese interference that is common knowledge, on their theory of undermining western society. | |||
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"Yes just reading it, claims it was Russian media that started the rumours that he recently arrived by boat and was on an M16 watchlist Yep Russia funded “news sources” are already at war with the West with the aim of causing disruption and social unrest. Fascinating interview on LBC this morning with the retired head of MI6 (or “British Intelligence Services”) who was talking about this saying the clandestine/covert activity is worse than ever including during the Cold War with the USSR. The genius of the Russian disinformation program is that they only need to leak out a bit of ‘information’ that panders to the prejudices that are already held and the idiots do the rest. By that point the idiots will of want to admit they’ve been fooled and will double down on their actions, doing far more than the Russians ever will. Should I offer a prize for the first ’both sides’ comment? Russian and Chinese disinformation goes far deeper than surface level. They have been funding and supporting left wing activists and ideals for years, they have stated many times strengthening those outliers to become mainstream, weakens the fabric of the society. Google is your friend, it is out there and you will need more than 30 seconds to get into the history. He told you not to try the 'both sides' argument. Didn't you know it is only the 'far right' who are gullible, racist, thick idiots
The irony is frightening, it really is.
Who mentioned the far right? I didn’t.
who mentioned both sides, I didn't
No, I did, and then you both sided because you assumed I was only talking about right wingers."If you weren't talking about right wingers, notme only spoke about the left so how is that 'both sides'? Just be honest and say you were talking about right wingers. | |||
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"Yes just reading it, claims it was Russian media that started the rumours that he recently arrived by boat and was on an M16 watchlist Yep Russia funded “news sources” are already at war with the West with the aim of causing disruption and social unrest. Fascinating interview on LBC this morning with the retired head of MI6 (or “British Intelligence Services”) who was talking about this saying the clandestine/covert activity is worse than ever including during the Cold War with the USSR. The genius of the Russian disinformation program is that they only need to leak out a bit of ‘information’ that panders to the prejudices that are already held and the idiots do the rest. By that point the idiots will of want to admit they’ve been fooled and will double down on their actions, doing far more than the Russians ever will. Should I offer a prize for the first ’both sides’ comment? Russian and Chinese disinformation goes far deeper than surface level. They have been funding and supporting left wing activists and ideals for years, they have stated many times strengthening those outliers to become mainstream, weakens the fabric of the society. Google is your friend, it is out there and you will need more than 30 seconds to get into the history. He told you not to try the 'both sides' argument. Didn't you know it is only the 'far right' who are gullible, racist, thick idiots
The irony is frightening, it really is.
Who mentioned the far right? I didn’t.
who mentioned both sides, I didn't
No, I did, and then you both sided because you assumed I was only talking about right wingers.
If you weren't talking about right wingers, notme only spoke about the left so how is that 'both sides'?
Just be honest and say you were talking about right wingers. "If you interpreted my words as being about right wingers that’s down to you, not me. | |||
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"Yes just reading it, claims it was Russian media that started the rumours that he recently arrived by boat and was on an M16 watchlist Yep Russia funded “news sources” are already at war with the West with the aim of causing disruption and social unrest. Fascinating interview on LBC this morning with the retired head of MI6 (or “British Intelligence Services”) who was talking about this saying the clandestine/covert activity is worse than ever including during the Cold War with the USSR. The genius of the Russian disinformation program is that they only need to leak out a bit of ‘information’ that panders to the prejudices that are already held and the idiots do the rest. By that point the idiots will of want to admit they’ve been fooled and will double down on their actions, doing far more than the Russians ever will. Should I offer a prize for the first ’both sides’ comment? Russian and Chinese disinformation goes far deeper than surface level. They have been funding and supporting left wing activists and ideals for years, they have stated many times strengthening those outliers to become mainstream, weakens the fabric of the society. Google is your friend, it is out there and you will need more than 30 seconds to get into the history. He told you not to try the 'both sides' argument. Didn't you know it is only the 'far right' who are gullible, racist, thick idiots
The irony is frightening, it really is.
Who mentioned the far right? I didn’t.
who mentioned both sides, I didn't
No, I did, and then you both sided because you assumed I was only talking about right wingers.
If you weren't talking about right wingers, notme only spoke about the left so how is that 'both sides'?
Just be honest and say you were talking about right wingers.
If you interpreted my words as being about right wingers that’s down to you, not me."Notme only spoke about one side, so it's impossible for him to have played 'both sides' unless you were speaking about the other side. Actually impossible, not interpretation. | |||
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"I think most folks with more than a passing interest in world politics would reasonably deduce that the "The Cold War" never really went away. This is because it was getting harder and harder to conduct hostilities with the eyes of the world constantly watching you. It's got to the point where, to use a school playground analogy, there were far too many hawk-eyed teachers watching every single move all sides were making. How the heck are we supposed to destroy our enemies, or they us, if neither of us can play openly ? Simple. It all moves "under the radar", or at least as much as we and "them" can move it. The other advantage of clandestine warfare is that you can also broaden the scope and develop asymmetrical warfare. (that is : guerrilla warfare, insurgency, counterinsurgency, rebellion, terrorism, and counterterrorism). All of those can operate quite independently of each other. I've not even covered cyber-warfare. Economic warfare. Industrial warfare. Electronic warfare. And on and on it goes. . I find it quite amazing that some might think it cannot be [Insert Hostile Nation Of Choice], because everyone is at it. Us, them, and all points in-between. . For bonus points, consider that operations are also conducted against allied countries as well. . I'm not going to go down the conspiracy rabbit hole, because, you know, proof and all that. However there are recorded instances of allied nations spying on each other, and by spying, I don't just mean peeking over the fence and seeing what they are up to, if you get my drift. . So yes, I find it wholly credible that the recent riots could have multiple instigators behind them, some with covert hostile state backing. Because that is what we would be doing in their own country (or allies of their countries). That's how the world works." Good post, some very valid points.. | |||
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"I think most folks with more than a passing interest in world politics would reasonably deduce that the "The Cold War" never really went away. This is because it was getting harder and harder to conduct hostilities with the eyes of the world constantly watching you. It's got to the point where, to use a school playground analogy, there were far too many hawk-eyed teachers watching every single move all sides were making. How the heck are we supposed to destroy our enemies, or they us, if neither of us can play openly ? Simple. It all moves "under the radar", or at least as much as we and "them" can move it. The other advantage of clandestine warfare is that you can also broaden the scope and develop asymmetrical warfare. (that is : guerrilla warfare, insurgency, counterinsurgency, rebellion, terrorism, and counterterrorism). All of those can operate quite independently of each other. I've not even covered cyber-warfare. Economic warfare. Industrial warfare. Electronic warfare. And on and on it goes. . I find it quite amazing that some might think it cannot be [Insert Hostile Nation Of Choice], because everyone is at it. Us, them, and all points in-between. . For bonus points, consider that operations are also conducted against allied countries as well. . I'm not going to go down the conspiracy rabbit hole, because, you know, proof and all that. However there are recorded instances of allied nations spying on each other, and by spying, I don't just mean peeking over the fence and seeing what they are up to, if you get my drift. . So yes, I find it wholly credible that the recent riots could have multiple instigators behind them, some with covert hostile state backing. Because that is what we would be doing in their own country (or allies of their countries). That's how the world works." And we are doing the same ... but never get told that | |||
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