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By *an DeLyon OP   Man 7 weeks ago

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By *an DeLyon OP   Man 7 weeks ago

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Will co fabbers supporting Isreal now realise the double standards of supporting Isreal in murdering thousands of innocent Gazans to kill a few hamas terrorists?

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple 7 weeks ago

Border of London


"Will co fabbers supporting Isreal now realise the double standards of supporting Isreal in murdering thousands of innocent Gazans to kill a few hamas terrorists?

"

If you can justify the goal or the reason for the (imprecise, likely to miss a target) rocket that was sent over, then we could begin to debate that.

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By *an DeLyon OP   Man 7 weeks ago

County Durham


"Will co fabbers supporting Isreal now realise the double standards of supporting Isreal in murdering thousands of innocent Gazans to kill a few hamas terrorists?

If you can justify the goal or the reason for the (imprecise, likely to miss a target) rocket that was sent over, then we could begin to debate that."

You could debate why you and others defend bias.

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By *ortyairCouple 7 weeks ago

Wallasey


"Will co fabbers supporting Isreal now realise the double standards of supporting Isreal in murdering thousands of innocent Gazans to kill a few hamas terrorists?

If you can justify the goal or the reason for the (imprecise, likely to miss a target) rocket that was sent over, then we could begin to debate that.

You could debate why you and others defend bias.

"

Don't defend bias, just don't defend terrorism.

Are you saying you support this latest missile attack by a terrorist group?

Mrs x

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By *0shadesOfFilthMan 7 weeks ago

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Following the outbreak of the Israel–Hamas war on 7 October 2023, the United Kingdom has provided Israel with extensive military and diplomatic support. In response to the 7 October attacks, British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak asserted that the United Kingdom "unequivocally" stands with Israel.

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple 7 weeks ago

Border of London


"Will co fabbers supporting Isreal now realise the double standards of supporting Isreal in murdering thousands of innocent Gazans to kill a few hamas terrorists?

If you can justify the goal or the reason for the (imprecise, likely to miss a target) rocket that was sent over, then we could begin to debate that.

You could debate why you and others defend bias.

"

To rephrase:

Hezbollah had no justifiable reason for firing rockets for the past months and years. This attack was a gratuitous act of terrorism that caused some bad optics for them. Your cannot compare that with declared military action with objectives. You may disagree with either, but they are fundamentally not comparable.

Moreover, nobody on Fab had "supported" Israel in murdering thousands of Gazans. Literally nobody on Fab had cheered on those deaths.

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By *ortyairCouple 7 weeks ago

Wallasey


"Following the outbreak of the Israel–Hamas war on 7 October 2023, the United Kingdom has provided Israel with extensive military and diplomatic support. In response to the 7 October attacks, British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak asserted that the United Kingdom "unequivocally" stands with Israel."
Do you have a point or is this just a standalone statement?

If so what purpose does it serve?

Mrs x

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By *0shadesOfFilthMan 7 weeks ago

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"Following the outbreak of the Israel–Hamas war on 7 October 2023, the United Kingdom has provided Israel with extensive military and diplomatic support. In response to the 7 October attacks, British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak asserted that the United Kingdom "unequivocally" stands with Israel.Do you have a point or is this just a standalone statement?

If so what purpose does it serve?

Mrs x"

“Will co fabbers supporting Isreal now realise the double standards of supporting Isreal in murdering thousands of innocent Gazans to kill a few hamas terrorists?”

In reply to the OP. This is/was the official UK position, unless anything has changed.

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By *ortyairCouple 7 weeks ago

Wallasey


"Following the outbreak of the Israel–Hamas war on 7 October 2023, the United Kingdom has provided Israel with extensive military and diplomatic support. In response to the 7 October attacks, British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak asserted that the United Kingdom "unequivocally" stands with Israel.Do you have a point or is this just a standalone statement?

If so what purpose does it serve?

Mrs x

“Will co fabbers supporting Isreal now realise the double standards of supporting Isreal in murdering thousands of innocent Gazans to kill a few hamas terrorists?”

In reply to the OP. This is/was the official UK position, unless anything has changed. "

Sorry, maybe having a bit of a blonde moment but thought the OP wanted fellow fabbers to realise the 'double standards', they have supposedly highlighted.

What's the UKs statement of support got to do with this?

Mrs x

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By *an DeLyon OP   Man 7 weeks ago

County Durham


"Will co fabbers supporting Isreal now realise the double standards of supporting Isreal in murdering thousands of innocent Gazans to kill a few hamas terrorists?

If you can justify the goal or the reason for the (imprecise, likely to miss a target) rocket that was sent over, then we could begin to debate that.

You could debate why you and others defend bias.

Don't defend bias, just don't defend terrorism.

Are you saying you support this latest missile attack by a terrorist group?

Mrs x"

For the benefit of the less understanding...

What I'm saying is Israel has killed thousands of kids on a routine basis to kill a few terrorists with the support of other countries ... Now that a few israli kids have died exactly the same way .. people don't make the connection of double standards.

Does that join the dots? Penny dropped?

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple 7 weeks ago

Border of London


"

For the benefit of the less understanding...

What I'm saying is Israel has killed thousands of kids on a routine basis to kill a few terrorists with the support of other countries ... Now that a few israli kids have died exactly the same way .. people don't make the connection of double standards.

Does that join the dots? Penny dropped?

"

Let's run with that comparison for now. Israel is certainly killing innocent people as collateral damage in their effort to eliminate terrorists. That is, indeed, a bad outcome.

But what is the goal of Hezbollah? Simply to kill anyone they can manage to hit with their rockets.

So, for Israel, killing innocents (children) is a tragedy, or at least an unwanted side effect. For Hezbollah (and Hamas, and the Houthis) it's a goal. This time, they screwed up. They didn't hit Jews. So they're backpedalling furiously and saying it wasn't them.

The outcome in both cases (Gaza/Golan) is terrible, for the victims and the families. No death is worse than the other. No child deserved it more.

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By *0shadesOfFilthMan 7 weeks ago

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"Now that a few Israeli kids have died exactly the same way .. people don't make the connection of double standards.

"

Yes they do

The world has watched the news, the Israelis murdering the gazans. Lots of chat and handshakes about it but nobody anywhere going to help the gazans

2 million homeless. Roughly 10k for each country on the globe to evacuate them

(16 jumbo passenger aircraft per country) and house them in safety. But nobody is.

In contrast Poland gave open borders to 15 million Ukrainians with resettlement schemes across Europe.

You are so wrong in thinking that people just support Israel.

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By *ortyairCouple 7 weeks ago

Wallasey


"Will co fabbers supporting Isreal now realise the double standards of supporting Isreal in murdering thousands of innocent Gazans to kill a few hamas terrorists?

If you can justify the goal or the reason for the (imprecise, likely to miss a target) rocket that was sent over, then we could begin to debate that.

You could debate why you and others defend bias.

Don't defend bias, just don't defend terrorism.

Are you saying you support this latest missile attack by a terrorist group?

Mrs x

For the benefit of the less understanding...

What I'm saying is Israel has killed thousands of kids on a routine basis to kill a few terrorists with the support of other countries ... Now that a few israli kids have died exactly the same way .. people don't make the connection of double standards.

Does that join the dots? Penny dropped?

"

So using your logic, that's like saying millions were killed during to kill just one man, Hitler.

The point you are missing is that Hamas is not just 'a few terrorists'. It's the ruling body in Gaza, was voted in by the Gazans, never had another election in nearly 20 years. Is a murderous, oppressive regime and terrorist organisations.

So has the penny dropped for you, I don't think it has, in fact as the old saying goes I think you are a schilling short.

So do you now understand that this is not about killing a few terrorist but the eradication of a murderous, terrorist regime. WW2 was fought just to get rid of Hitler. As an ex serviceman it astounds me that you can hold such views but you don't surprise me.

Mrs x

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By *an DeLyon OP   Man 7 weeks ago

County Durham


"

For the benefit of the less understanding...

What I'm saying is Israel has killed thousands of kids on a routine basis to kill a few terrorists with the support of other countries ... Now that a few israli kids have died exactly the same way .. people don't make the connection of double standards.

Does that join the dots? Penny dropped?

Let's run with that comparison for now. Israel is certainly killing innocent people as collateral damage in their effort to eliminate terrorists. That is, indeed, a bad outcome.

But what is the goal of Hezbollah? Simply to kill anyone they can manage to hit with their rockets.

So, for Israel, killing innocents (children) is a tragedy, or at least an unwanted side effect. For Hezbollah (and Hamas, and the Houthis) it's a goal. This time, they screwed up. They didn't hit Jews. So they're backpedalling furiously and saying it wasn't them.

The outcome in both cases (Gaza/Golan) is terrible, for the victims and the families. No death is worse than the other. No child deserved it more."

Hesbolah fired rockets with the risk of killing non combatants.

Israel drop both guided and unguided bombs on areas with children in it. Same thing yet differing support depending on who's doing the killing or dying.

I don't just blame Israel, o blame the USA, UK, AIPAC and the actions of hesbolah hamas and orher groups

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By *0shadesOfFilthMan 7 weeks ago

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"

For the benefit of the less understanding...

What I'm saying is Israel has killed thousands of kids on a routine basis to kill a few terrorists with the support of other countries ... Now that a few israli kids have died exactly the same way .. people don't make the connection of double standards.

Does that join the dots? Penny dropped?

Let's run with that comparison for now. Israel is certainly killing innocent people as collateral damage in their effort to eliminate terrorists. That is, indeed, a bad outcome.

But what is the goal of Hezbollah? Simply to kill anyone they can manage to hit with their rockets.

So, for Israel, killing innocents (children) is a tragedy, or at least an unwanted side effect. For Hezbollah (and Hamas, and the Houthis) it's a goal. This time, they screwed up. They didn't hit Jews. So they're backpedalling furiously and saying it wasn't them.

The outcome in both cases (Gaza/Golan) is terrible, for the victims and the families. No death is worse than the other. No child deserved it more.

Hesbolah fired rockets with the risk of killing non combatants.

Israel drop both guided and unguided bombs on areas with children in it. Same thing yet differing support depending on who's doing the killing or dying.

I don't just blame Israel, o blame the USA, UK, AIPAC and the actions of hesbolah hamas and orher groups

"

As many experts have said, AI is used to establish likely collateral damage under the Lavender system. The acceptable tolerances to israel are most likely unacceptable to others

Ukraine has proved nato to be useless. It took the UN three years to get into Bosnia after 100k plus had been killed. And the UN have been equally useless protecting gazans.

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By *ortyairCouple 7 weeks ago

Wallasey


"Now that a few Israeli kids have died exactly the same way .. people don't make the connection of double standards.

Yes they do

The world has watched the news, the Israelis murdering the gazans. Lots of chat and handshakes about it but nobody anywhere going to help the gazans

2 million homeless. Roughly 10k for each country on the globe to evacuate them

(16 jumbo passenger aircraft per country) and house them in safety. But nobody is.

In contrast Poland gave open borders to 15 million Ukrainians with resettlement schemes across Europe.

You are so wrong in thinking that people just support Israel. "

Never said people just support Israel. That's blatantly true considering missile attacks from two other countries. Israel are not murdering Gazans, it's a war.

What about the killing of those from the missiles fired almost daily into Israel? Nobody says much about that.

All innocent lives lost are a tragedy but as the other poster pointed out, this is the purpose of those launching indiscriminate missile attacks into Israel. It's their aim to kill innocents. They are not dropping leaflets to warn of an imminent attack.

As for Gazans and their possible refugee status, why is it that no other Arab state are offering this. In fact when Palestinians did live in Egypt and Jordan, why is it that both of these countries kicked them out?

I've always said that I don't necessarily agree with Israels tactics here but you cannot ignore terrorism and it's effects on your citizens.

Mrs x

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By *ortyairCouple 7 weeks ago

Wallasey


"

For the benefit of the less understanding...

What I'm saying is Israel has killed thousands of kids on a routine basis to kill a few terrorists with the support of other countries ... Now that a few israli kids have died exactly the same way .. people don't make the connection of double standards.

Does that join the dots? Penny dropped?

Let's run with that comparison for now. Israel is certainly killing innocent people as collateral damage in their effort to eliminate terrorists. That is, indeed, a bad outcome.

But what is the goal of Hezbollah? Simply to kill anyone they can manage to hit with their rockets.

So, for Israel, killing innocents (children) is a tragedy, or at least an unwanted side effect. For Hezbollah (and Hamas, and the Houthis) it's a goal. This time, they screwed up. They didn't hit Jews. So they're backpedalling furiously and saying it wasn't them.

The outcome in both cases (Gaza/Golan) is terrible, for the victims and the families. No death is worse than the other. No child deserved it more.

Hesbolah fired rockets with the risk of killing non combatants.

Israel drop both guided and unguided bombs on areas with children in it. Same thing yet differing support depending on who's doing the killing or dying.

I don't just blame Israel, o blame the USA, UK, AIPAC and the actions of hesbolah hamas and orher groups

"

Children are in the area under the orders of Hamas. Seen previously in a CNN report which stated they had to congregate around Hamas terrorists houses.

Israel do give prior warnings but innocent families are not allowed to leave.

Mrs x

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple 7 weeks ago

Border of London


"

For the benefit of the less understanding...

What I'm saying is Israel has killed thousands of kids on a routine basis to kill a few terrorists with the support of other countries ... Now that a few israli kids have died exactly the same way .. people don't make the connection of double standards.

Does that join the dots? Penny dropped?

Let's run with that comparison for now. Israel is certainly killing innocent people as collateral damage in their effort to eliminate terrorists. That is, indeed, a bad outcome.

But what is the goal of Hezbollah? Simply to kill anyone they can manage to hit with their rockets.

So, for Israel, killing innocents (children) is a tragedy, or at least an unwanted side effect. For Hezbollah (and Hamas, and the Houthis) it's a goal. This time, they screwed up. They didn't hit Jews. So they're backpedalling furiously and saying it wasn't them.

The outcome in both cases (Gaza/Golan) is terrible, for the victims and the families. No death is worse than the other. No child deserved it more.

Hesbolah fired rockets with the risk of killing non combatants.

Israel drop both guided and unguided bombs on areas with children in it. Same thing yet differing support depending on who's doing the killing or dying.

I don't just blame Israel, o blame the USA, UK, AIPAC and the actions of hesbolah hamas and orher groups

As many experts have said, AI is used to establish likely collateral damage under the Lavender system. The acceptable tolerances to israel are most likely unacceptable to others

Ukraine has proved nato to be useless. It took the UN three years to get into Bosnia after 100k plus had been killed. And the UN have been equally useless protecting gazans.

"

Indeed. Gazans are extremely unfortunate. Hamas (their government) sees them as human shields or PR wins. The rest of the Middle East sees them as second class filth and/or a thorn in the side of Israel (egegy they won't take them in). The rest of the world sees them as props to beat up the West with. Or Israel. And Israel sees them as an obstacle to peace, or towards the eradication of Hamas (therefore acceptable losses).

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By *ortyairCouple 7 weeks ago

Wallasey


"

For the benefit of the less understanding...

What I'm saying is Israel has killed thousands of kids on a routine basis to kill a few terrorists with the support of other countries ... Now that a few israli kids have died exactly the same way .. people don't make the connection of double standards.

Does that join the dots? Penny dropped?

Let's run with that comparison for now. Israel is certainly killing innocent people as collateral damage in their effort to eliminate terrorists. That is, indeed, a bad outcome.

But what is the goal of Hezbollah? Simply to kill anyone they can manage to hit with their rockets.

So, for Israel, killing innocents (children) is a tragedy, or at least an unwanted side effect. For Hezbollah (and Hamas, and the Houthis) it's a goal. This time, they screwed up. They didn't hit Jews. So they're backpedalling furiously and saying it wasn't them.

The outcome in both cases (Gaza/Golan) is terrible, for the victims and the families. No death is worse than the other. No child deserved it more.

Hesbolah fired rockets with the risk of killing non combatants.

Israel drop both guided and unguided bombs on areas with children in it. Same thing yet differing support depending on who's doing the killing or dying.

I don't just blame Israel, o blame the USA, UK, AIPAC and the actions of hesbolah hamas and orher groups

As many experts have said, AI is used to establish likely collateral damage under the Lavender system. The acceptable tolerances to israel are most likely unacceptable to others

Ukraine has proved nato to be useless. It took the UN three years to get into Bosnia after 100k plus had been killed. And the UN have been equally useless protecting gazans.

"

To be fair there is an argument that Gazans could have protected themselves from this to a degree. They voted in Hamas knowing that there constitution called for the total eradication of Jews. How did they think this was going to happen?

Also they've had 20 years of this violence and chose not to vote Hamas out or have a couple.

I'm not saying that I necessarily agree with this argument but if you want a murderous, terrorist organisation to run your country you should be aware that those they choose to murder may retaliate.

Mrs x

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By *an DeLyon OP   Man 7 weeks ago

County Durham


"

For the benefit of the less understanding...

What I'm saying is Israel has killed thousands of kids on a routine basis to kill a few terrorists with the support of other countries ... Now that a few israli kids have died exactly the same way .. people don't make the connection of double standards.

Does that join the dots? Penny dropped?

Let's run with that comparison for now. Israel is certainly killing innocent people as collateral damage in their effort to eliminate terrorists. That is, indeed, a bad outcome.

But what is the goal of Hezbollah? Simply to kill anyone they can manage to hit with their rockets.

So, for Israel, killing innocents (children) is a tragedy, or at least an unwanted side effect. For Hezbollah (and Hamas, and the Houthis) it's a goal. This time, they screwed up. They didn't hit Jews. So they're backpedalling furiously and saying it wasn't them.

The outcome in both cases (Gaza/Golan) is terrible, for the victims and the families. No death is worse than the other. No child deserved it more.

Hesbolah fired rockets with the risk of killing non combatants.

Israel drop both guided and unguided bombs on areas with children in it. Same thing yet differing support depending on who's doing the killing or dying.

I don't just blame Israel, o blame the USA, UK, AIPAC and the actions of hesbolah hamas and orher groups

As many experts have said, AI is used to establish likely collateral damage under the Lavender system. The acceptable tolerances to israel are most likely unacceptable to others

Ukraine has proved nato to be useless. It took the UN three years to get into Bosnia after 100k plus had been killed. And the UN have been equally useless protecting gazans.

To be fair there is an argument that Gazans could have protected themselves from this to a degree. They voted in Hamas knowing that there constitution called for the total eradication of Jews. How did they think this was going to happen?

Also they've had 20 years of this violence and chose not to vote Hamas out or have a couple.

I'm not saying that I necessarily agree with this argument but if you want a murderous, terrorist organisation to run your country you should be aware that those they choose to murder may retaliate.

Mrs x"

Oh really. Perhaps if Israel were satisfied with the ethnically cleansed land they were given by the British instead of flouting international law and stealing more land then things wouldn't be so bad

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple 7 weeks ago

Border of London


"

Oh really. Perhaps if Israel were satisfied with the ethnically cleansed land they were given by the British instead of flouting international law and stealing more land then things wouldn't be so bad"

Israel was happy with it. They accepted it. Every other Arab state invaded, with the stated intention of genocide or ethnic cleansing.

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By *ortyairCouple 7 weeks ago

Wallasey


"

For the benefit of the less understanding...

What I'm saying is Israel has killed thousands of kids on a routine basis to kill a few terrorists with the support of other countries ... Now that a few israli kids have died exactly the same way .. people don't make the connection of double standards.

Does that join the dots? Penny dropped?

Let's run with that comparison for now. Israel is certainly killing innocent people as collateral damage in their effort to eliminate terrorists. That is, indeed, a bad outcome.

But what is the goal of Hezbollah? Simply to kill anyone they can manage to hit with their rockets.

So, for Israel, killing innocents (children) is a tragedy, or at least an unwanted side effect. For Hezbollah (and Hamas, and the Houthis) it's a goal. This time, they screwed up. They didn't hit Jews. So they're backpedalling furiously and saying it wasn't them.

The outcome in both cases (Gaza/Golan) is terrible, for the victims and the families. No death is worse than the other. No child deserved it more.

Hesbolah fired rockets with the risk of killing non combatants.

Israel drop both guided and unguided bombs on areas with children in it. Same thing yet differing support depending on who's doing the killing or dying.

I don't just blame Israel, o blame the USA, UK, AIPAC and the actions of hesbolah hamas and orher groups

As many experts have said, AI is used to establish likely collateral damage under the Lavender system. The acceptable tolerances to israel are most likely unacceptable to others

Ukraine has proved nato to be useless. It took the UN three years to get into Bosnia after 100k plus had been killed. And the UN have been equally useless protecting gazans.

To be fair there is an argument that Gazans could have protected themselves from this to a degree. They voted in Hamas knowing that there constitution called for the total eradication of Jews. How did they think this was going to happen?

Also they've had 20 years of this violence and chose not to vote Hamas out or have a couple.

I'm not saying that I necessarily agree with this argument but if you want a murderous, terrorist organisation to run your country you should be aware that those they choose to murder may retaliate.

Mrs x

Oh really. Perhaps if Israel were satisfied with the ethnically cleansed land they were given by the British instead of flouting international law and stealing more land then things wouldn't be so bad"

What Tresesse said is spot on. Israel has never started a war so maybe if the Arab states were satisfied with the creation of Israel then none of this would be an issue. But you cannot see this can you?

Mrs x

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By *an DeLyon OP   Man 7 weeks ago

County Durham


"

Oh really. Perhaps if Israel were satisfied with the ethnically cleansed land they were given by the British instead of flouting international law and stealing more land then things wouldn't be so bad

Israel was happy with it. They accepted it. Every other Arab state invaded, with the stated intention of genocide or ethnic cleansing."

What part of illegal occupation and illegal settlements as determined by the UN do you not understand?

Occupying land to deny a strategic advantage is not really the same as building settlers with families, or shooting and intimidating local Arabs.

Anyway I'm bored with reading your crap.

I'm relieved I'm an antisemetic by that list of

What was the other shite you labelled me again?

Oh well never mind.. I hope you enjoy the war if it starts.. give you something to waffle on about.

Besides the total failure to destroy hamas ! When the IDF fail in Gaza, remember I told you they'd fail.

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple 7 weeks ago

Border of London

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple 7 weeks ago

Border of London


"

What was the other shite you labelled me again? "

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By *ortyairCouple 7 weeks ago

Wallasey


"

What was the other shite you labelled me again?

?"

It's hard to understand what's going on here sometimes. You'll never get a straight answer to a straight question.

Mrs x

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By *an DeLyon OP   Man 7 weeks ago

County Durham


"Will co fabbers supporting Isreal now realise the double standards of supporting Isreal in murdering thousands of innocent Gazans to kill a few hamas terrorists?

If you can justify the goal or the reason for the (imprecise, likely to miss a target) rocket that was sent over, then we could begin to debate that.

You could debate why you and others defend bias.

To rephrase:

Hezbollah had no justifiable reason for firing rockets for the past months and years. This attack was a gratuitous act of terrorism that caused some bad optics for them. Your cannot compare that with declared military action with objectives. You may disagree with either, but they are fundamentally not comparable.

Moreover, nobody on Fab had "supported" Israel in murdering thousands of Gazans. Literally nobody on Fab had cheered on those deaths."

Were back to double standards again.

Hie can you justify killing huge numbers of innocent people to hit a few hamas

Then get shirty because s hesbolah missile goes astray and kills 12

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple 7 weeks ago

Border of London


"Will co fabbers supporting Isreal now realise the double standards of supporting Isreal in murdering thousands of innocent Gazans to kill a few hamas terrorists?

If you can justify the goal or the reason for the (imprecise, likely to miss a target) rocket that was sent over, then we could begin to debate that.

You could debate why you and others defend bias.

To rephrase:

Hezbollah had no justifiable reason for firing rockets for the past months and years. This attack was a gratuitous act of terrorism that caused some bad optics for them. Your cannot compare that with declared military action with objectives. You may disagree with either, but they are fundamentally not comparable.

Moreover, nobody on Fab had "supported" Israel in murdering thousands of Gazans. Literally nobody on Fab had cheered on those deaths.

Were back to double standards again.

Hie can you justify killing huge numbers of innocent people to hit a few hamas

Then get shirty because s hesbolah missile goes astray and kills 12 "

What you're essentially saying is that it's inconsistent to justify/condemn one set of deaths but not another. The deaths are not being justified in either case, rather it's the actions causing those deaths are being justified/condemned.

It is not clear that Israel's actions are justified in every specific case, but overall their actions are justified. Hezbollah has little to no justification, and the Houthis have none at all.

The argument against Israel's actions being overall justified generally begins with the premise that it has no right to exist (or defend itself). Or seeks to minimise the constant existential threat that it experiences.

This right, however, can be seen as true even by those who do not support the current Israeli government in its decisions and actions. It's complicated and nuanced, and oversimplifying it to "Israel = white colonial = bad" is generally unhelpful. Not least because most of Israel's adversaries are significantly more "killy" than Israel (Hamas, Iran, Hezbollah, Houthis). That last point does not automatically make Israel "good" simply by contrast, but it makes supporting those groups eyebrow raising, to say the least.

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By *enSiskoMan 7 weeks ago

Cestus 3

Israelis are killed. (unlawful)

Palestinians die. (Lawful)

78% against. (Israel has a right to defence but WTF)

22% for. (Israel has a right to defend itself, it is not Israels fault we were attacked, but we will finish this, Hamas hide behind civilians using them as human shields, so we must kill them to get to the terrorists, we must defeat Hamas at the cost of Palestinian lives if they be women and children we will try and limit the killing, we cannot let in aid as Hamas will get it, so at the cost of the Palestinian people we cannot let aid in without first holding it up at the boarder, and checking the trucks contents,

Seems like it has fallen from 25% to 22% for the yes keep attacking

risen by 3% for the no WTF

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By *ortyairCouple 7 weeks ago

Wallasey


"Will co fabbers supporting Isreal now realise the double standards of supporting Isreal in murdering thousands of innocent Gazans to kill a few hamas terrorists?

If you can justify the goal or the reason for the (imprecise, likely to miss a target) rocket that was sent over, then we could begin to debate that.

You could debate why you and others defend bias.

To rephrase:

Hezbollah had no justifiable reason for firing rockets for the past months and years. This attack was a gratuitous act of terrorism that caused some bad optics for them. Your cannot compare that with declared military action with objectives. You may disagree with either, but they are fundamentally not comparable.

Moreover, nobody on Fab had "supported" Israel in murdering thousands of Gazans. Literally nobody on Fab had cheered on those deaths.

Were back to double standards again.

Hie can you justify killing huge numbers of innocent people to hit a few hamas

Then get shirty because s hesbolah missile goes astray and kills 12 "

Get 'shirty', so let me get this correct, do you mean anyone who condemns this should stop moaning because it's not that bad. These were kids that were killed.

As already mentioned, Israel are killing anyone to get to a few Hamas terrorists. Hamas is a huge terrorist organisation, that uses terrorism to further its aims. Like I said before , your arguments is like equating the millions killed in WW2 just to take out one man, Hitler. WW2 was fought, in Europe, to rid the world of a murderous, terrorist ideology in the form of Nazism. It's a very weak argument.

Mrs x

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By *ortyairCouple 7 weeks ago

Wallasey


"Israelis are killed. (unlawful)

Palestinians die. (Lawful)

78% against. (Israel has a right to defence but WTF)

22% for. (Israel has a right to defend itself, it is not Israels fault we were attacked, but we will finish this, Hamas hide behind civilians using them as human shields, so we must kill them to get to the terrorists, we must defeat Hamas at the cost of Palestinian lives if they be women and children we will try and limit the killing, we cannot let in aid as Hamas will get it, so at the cost of the Palestinian people we cannot let aid in without first holding it up at the boarder, and checking the trucks contents,

Seems like it has fallen from 25% to 22% for the yes keep attacking

risen by 3% for the no WTF"

All innocent lives lost is a tragedy.

However Israel citizens and the kids who died the other day in the Golan Heights are killed through acts of terrorism. The aim of terrorists is to kill these civilians.

In Gaza the deaths of civilians, whilst I've always said is a tragedy, is due to their being g a war. It's not the intention of Israel to kill them. They are casualties of this war.

That's the difference.

Mrs x

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By *enSiskoMan 7 weeks ago

Cestus 3


"Israelis are killed. (unlawful)

Palestinians die. (Lawful)

78% against. (Israel has a right to defence but WTF)

22% for. (Israel has a right to defend itself, it is not Israels fault we were attacked, but we will finish this, Hamas hide behind civilians using them as human shields, so we must kill them to get to the terrorists, we must defeat Hamas at the cost of Palestinian lives if they be women and children we will try and limit the killing, we cannot let in aid as Hamas will get it, so at the cost of the Palestinian people we cannot let aid in without first holding it up at the boarder, and checking the trucks contents,

Seems like it has fallen from 25% to 22% for the yes keep attacking

risen by 3% for the no WTFAll innocent lives lost is a tragedy.

However Israel citizens and the kids who died the other day in the Golan Heights are killed through acts of terrorism. The aim of terrorists is to kill these civilians.

In Gaza the deaths of civilians, whilst I've always said is a tragedy, is due to their being g a war. It's not the intention of Israel to kill them. They are casualties of this war.

That's the difference.

Mrs x

"

I see so Israel should open the boarder crossing and let out women and children, and supply them with aid, clean clothes as well, and a brick house to live in.

Is that difference.

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By *ortyairCouple 7 weeks ago

Wallasey


"Israelis are killed. (unlawful)

Palestinians die. (Lawful)

78% against. (Israel has a right to defence but WTF)

22% for. (Israel has a right to defend itself, it is not Israels fault we were attacked, but we will finish this, Hamas hide behind civilians using them as human shields, so we must kill them to get to the terrorists, we must defeat Hamas at the cost of Palestinian lives if they be women and children we will try and limit the killing, we cannot let in aid as Hamas will get it, so at the cost of the Palestinian people we cannot let aid in without first holding it up at the boarder, and checking the trucks contents,

Seems like it has fallen from 25% to 22% for the yes keep attacking

risen by 3% for the no WTFAll innocent lives lost is a tragedy.

However Israel citizens and the kids who died the other day in the Golan Heights are killed through acts of terrorism. The aim of terrorists is to kill these civilians.

In Gaza the deaths of civilians, whilst I've always said is a tragedy, is due to their being g a war. It's not the intention of Israel to kill them. They are casualties of this war.

That's the difference.

Mrs x

I see so Israel should open the boarder crossing and let out women and children, and supply them with aid, clean clothes as well, and a brick house to live in.

Is that difference."

In an ideal world all sorts of things should happen. No country would open its borders during a war with the enemy though. The reason why the borders were erected in the first place was to prevent suicide bombers just walking into Israel and killing their citizens.

How about giving notice, ahead of time, of an imminent attack to allow non combatants to leave the combat area? Would that prevent innocent lives from being lost?

Mrs x

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By *enSiskoMan 7 weeks ago

Cestus 3

As for rockets Israel has guided and unguided weapon systems.

Some are high explosive some low explosive.

These weapons systems are know to be used in Gaza.

But in some cases there have been large fires especially in tented "safe havens".

So on searching for the answer I came across the type of bomb used, it is wicked like nail bombs, but much worst.

high yield concentrated explosive set in a sodium metal case.

Confused, when this type of bomb explodes it melts the sodium and spreads it as molten metal that will burn straight through me on contact set my clothes alight or my tented home.

Quite a wicked and terrible weapon spreading beyond the blast range killing maiming more people.

And for hand held rockets over to you.

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By *enSiskoMan 7 weeks ago

Cestus 3


"Israelis are killed. (unlawful)

Palestinians die. (Lawful)

78% against. (Israel has a right to defence but WTF)

22% for. (Israel has a right to defend itself, it is not Israels fault we were attacked, but we will finish this, Hamas hide behind civilians using them as human shields, so we must kill them to get to the terrorists, we must defeat Hamas at the cost of Palestinian lives if they be women and children we will try and limit the killing, we cannot let in aid as Hamas will get it, so at the cost of the Palestinian people we cannot let aid in without first holding it up at the boarder, and checking the trucks contents,

Seems like it has fallen from 25% to 22% for the yes keep attacking

risen by 3% for the no WTFAll innocent lives lost is a tragedy.

However Israel citizens and the kids who died the other day in the Golan Heights are killed through acts of terrorism. The aim of terrorists is to kill these civilians.

In Gaza the deaths of civilians, whilst I've always said is a tragedy, is due to their being g a war. It's not the intention of Israel to kill them. They are casualties of this war.

That's the difference.

Mrs x

I see so Israel should open the boarder crossing and let out women and children, and supply them with aid, clean clothes as well, and a brick house to live in.

Is that difference.In an ideal world all sorts of things should happen. No country would open its borders during a war with the enemy though. The reason why the borders were erected in the first place was to prevent suicide bombers just walking into Israel and killing their citizens.

How about giving notice, ahead of time, of an imminent attack to allow non combatants to leave the combat area? Would that prevent innocent lives from being lost?

Mrs x"

I cannot believe you wrote that.

WOW

At the start Israel said goto a certain place, the Palestinians complied but were bombed on the way to the safe area, on getting to safe area they were bombed why, there are Hamas hiding among them so bomb them snip them carrying white flags or not.

When I say to you Hamas are hiding among those to protect themselves then kill them all makes sense, not to me but to you, because that is what justifies your comments.

And Gaza has a seafront Israel could let an agreeing country access to take all the women and children, so at least they would have a chance of repopulating themselves after this has ended.

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By *ortyairCouple 7 weeks ago

Wallasey


"As for rockets Israel has guided and unguided weapon systems.

Some are high explosive some low explosive.

These weapons systems are know to be used in Gaza.

But in some cases there have been large fires especially in tented "safe havens".

So on searching for the answer I came across the type of bomb used, it is wicked like nail bombs, but much worst.

high yield concentrated explosive set in a sodium metal case.

Confused, when this type of bomb explodes it melts the sodium and spreads it as molten metal that will burn straight through me on contact set my clothes alight or my tented home.

Quite a wicked and terrible weapon spreading beyond the blast range killing maiming more people.

And for hand held rockets over to you."

Is it a legitimate weapon, from a legitimate manufacturer or has it been made by Israel illegally?

Only asking because I have no knowledge of this. Can you provide your source so I can see what your talking about?

Mrs x

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By *ortyairCouple 7 weeks ago

Wallasey


"Israelis are killed. (unlawful)

Palestinians die. (Lawful)

78% against. (Israel has a right to defence but WTF)

22% for. (Israel has a right to defend itself, it is not Israels fault we were attacked, but we will finish this, Hamas hide behind civilians using them as human shields, so we must kill them to get to the terrorists, we must defeat Hamas at the cost of Palestinian lives if they be women and children we will try and limit the killing, we cannot let in aid as Hamas will get it, so at the cost of the Palestinian people we cannot let aid in without first holding it up at the boarder, and checking the trucks contents,

Seems like it has fallen from 25% to 22% for the yes keep attacking

risen by 3% for the no WTFAll innocent lives lost is a tragedy.

However Israel citizens and the kids who died the other day in the Golan Heights are killed through acts of terrorism. The aim of terrorists is to kill these civilians.

In Gaza the deaths of civilians, whilst I've always said is a tragedy, is due to their being g a war. It's not the intention of Israel to kill them. They are casualties of this war.

That's the difference.

Mrs x

I see so Israel should open the boarder crossing and let out women and children, and supply them with aid, clean clothes as well, and a brick house to live in.

Is that difference.In an ideal world all sorts of things should happen. No country would open its borders during a war with the enemy though. The reason why the borders were erected in the first place was to prevent suicide bombers just walking into Israel and killing their citizens.

How about giving notice, ahead of time, of an imminent attack to allow non combatants to leave the combat area? Would that prevent innocent lives from being lost?

Mrs x

I cannot believe you wrote that.

WOW

At the start Israel said goto a certain place, the Palestinians complied but were bombed on the way to the safe area, on getting to safe area they were bombed why, there are Hamas hiding among them so bomb them snip them carrying white flags or not.

When I say to you Hamas are hiding among those to protect themselves then kill them all makes sense, not to me but to you, because that is what justifies your comments.

And Gaza has a seafront Israel could let an agreeing country access to take all the women and children, so at least they would have a chance of repopulating themselves after this has ended."

So has a country offered to take any refugees? Egypt hasn't any they have a land border with them.

Mrs x

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By *enSiskoMan 7 weeks ago

Cestus 3


"Israelis are killed. (unlawful)

Palestinians die. (Lawful)

78% against. (Israel has a right to defence but WTF)

22% for. (Israel has a right to defend itself, it is not Israels fault we were attacked, but we will finish this, Hamas hide behind civilians using them as human shields, so we must kill them to get to the terrorists, we must defeat Hamas at the cost of Palestinian lives if they be women and children we will try and limit the killing, we cannot let in aid as Hamas will get it, so at the cost of the Palestinian people we cannot let aid in without first holding it up at the boarder, and checking the trucks contents,

Seems like it has fallen from 25% to 22% for the yes keep attacking

risen by 3% for the no WTFAll innocent lives lost is a tragedy.

However Israel citizens and the kids who died the other day in the Golan Heights are killed through acts of terrorism. The aim of terrorists is to kill these civilians.

In Gaza the deaths of civilians, whilst I've always said is a tragedy, is due to their being g a war. It's not the intention of Israel to kill them. They are casualties of this war.

That's the difference.

Mrs x

I see so Israel should open the boarder crossing and let out women and children, and supply them with aid, clean clothes as well, and a brick house to live in.

Is that difference.In an ideal world all sorts of things should happen. No country would open its borders during a war with the enemy though. The reason why the borders were erected in the first place was to prevent suicide bombers just walking into Israel and killing their citizens.

How about giving notice, ahead of time, of an imminent attack to allow non combatants to leave the combat area? Would that prevent innocent lives from being lost?

Mrs x

I cannot believe you wrote that.

WOW

At the start Israel said goto a certain place, the Palestinians complied but were bombed on the way to the safe area, on getting to safe area they were bombed why, there are Hamas hiding among them so bomb them snip them carrying white flags or not.

When I say to you Hamas are hiding among those to protect themselves then kill them all makes sense, not to me but to you, because that is what justifies your comments.

And Gaza has a seafront Israel could let an agreeing country access to take all the women and children, so at least they would have a chance of repopulating themselves after this has ended.So has a country offered to take any refugees? Egypt hasn't any they have a land border with them.

Mrs x"

Egypt will not as we know, it is an idea a solution by me which will mean nowt in the big scale of things.

But as you support their actions by the right to defend, I suggested that to show Israel are not thinking such things like killing women and children.

They have them holed in and are slowly killing them, you state that is because Hamas are hiding among them, so let out the women and children, keep the men in.

Sadly to me it seems that to eradicate Hamas civilians who I heard saying over her dead brothers body that she hates Hamas hates them for what they have brought upon her and others. will have to die.

And that's my issue.

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By *ripodius WillyusMan 7 weeks ago

Colne

I do not support israel nor anyone that kills children.

Israel are committing genocide and Usa and Uk say they have right to defend themselves, double standards at play no politician has come out and said hezbollah in lebanon can defend themselves

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple 7 weeks ago

Border of London


"I do not support israel nor anyone that kills children.

Israel are committing genocide and Usa and Uk say they have right to defend themselves, double standards at play no politician has come out and said hezbollah in lebanon can defend themselves"

Hezbollah don't need to defend themselves. They just need to stop attacking Israel and posturing/preparing to attack Israel, right?

Israel gains nothing from fighting Hezbollah, except in defending themselves?

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By *ortyairCouple 7 weeks ago

Wallasey


"Israelis are killed. (unlawful)

Palestinians die. (Lawful)

78% against. (Israel has a right to defence but WTF)

22% for. (Israel has a right to defend itself, it is not Israels fault we were attacked, but we will finish this, Hamas hide behind civilians using them as human shields, so we must kill them to get to the terrorists, we must defeat Hamas at the cost of Palestinian lives if they be women and children we will try and limit the killing, we cannot let in aid as Hamas will get it, so at the cost of the Palestinian people we cannot let aid in without first holding it up at the boarder, and checking the trucks contents,

Seems like it has fallen from 25% to 22% for the yes keep attacking

risen by 3% for the no WTFAll innocent lives lost is a tragedy.

However Israel citizens and the kids who died the other day in the Golan Heights are killed through acts of terrorism. The aim of terrorists is to kill these civilians.

In Gaza the deaths of civilians, whilst I've always said is a tragedy, is due to their being g a war. It's not the intention of Israel to kill them. They are casualties of this war.

That's the difference.

Mrs x

I see so Israel should open the boarder crossing and let out women and children, and supply them with aid, clean clothes as well, and a brick house to live in.

Is that difference.In an ideal world all sorts of things should happen. No country would open its borders during a war with the enemy though. The reason why the borders were erected in the first place was to prevent suicide bombers just walking into Israel and killing their citizens.

How about giving notice, ahead of time, of an imminent attack to allow non combatants to leave the combat area? Would that prevent innocent lives from being lost?

Mrs x

I cannot believe you wrote that.

WOW

At the start Israel said goto a certain place, the Palestinians complied but were bombed on the way to the safe area, on getting to safe area they were bombed why, there are Hamas hiding among them so bomb them snip them carrying white flags or not.

When I say to you Hamas are hiding among those to protect themselves then kill them all makes sense, not to me but to you, because that is what justifies your comments.

And Gaza has a seafront Israel could let an agreeing country access to take all the women and children, so at least they would have a chance of repopulating themselves after this has ended.So has a country offered to take any refugees? Egypt hasn't any they have a land border with them.

Mrs x

Egypt will not as we know, it is an idea a solution by me which will mean nowt in the big scale of things.

But as you support their actions by the right to defend, I suggested that to show Israel are not thinking such things like killing women and children.

They have them holed in and are slowly killing them, you state that is because Hamas are hiding among them, so let out the women and children, keep the men in.

Sadly to me it seems that to eradicate Hamas civilians who I heard saying over her dead brothers body that she hates Hamas hates them for what they have brought upon her and others. will have to die.

And that's my issue. "

I agree with you and Israel try and do that. They leaflet drop saying when they will attack and where, they even use text messages when they can. Ive never known others in a war do this. Hamas insist that the civilians stay. This was evidenced by a CNN report in aboit 2007.

You claim Israel then bomb people fleeing, this is not the case. As horrendous as the figures are they ate only now reaching 40,000. This figure includes civilians and combatants. If Israel wanted to ethnically cleanse Gaza it would be far more simple for them to achieve than what they are doing now. They could just round them all up and shoot them in a field, like the Nazis did or more recently what happened in Bosnia.

As for allowing woman and children to enter Israel that's not going to happen either. You have to remember that these woman and children come from families that voted Hamas in to power. This terrorist organisation, who according to their own constitution, state that the eradication of Jews and the destruction of Israel is their aim. They either voted for this or were brought up hoping this would happen. So no Israel are not going to take in refugees at present. That's not to say they won't, 2 million Palestinians already live peacefully in Israel, but not right now.

The Palestinian woman you talk of who hates Hamas has had almost 20 years to do something about it but these Palestinians who proclaim they hate Hamas have done nothing. They have seen uprising and regime change in other Middle Eastern countries though, so it can be done.

. So you seem to post lots about what Israel should do but what do you genuinely think Hamas and the Gazans should do? What's their responsibility in all of this?

Mrs x

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By *enSiskoMan 7 weeks ago

Cestus 3


"I do not support israel nor anyone that kills children.

Israel are committing genocide and Usa and Uk say they have right to defend themselves, double standards at play no politician has come out and said hezbollah in lebanon can defend themselves

Hezbollah don't need to defend themselves. They just need to stop attacking Israel and posturing/preparing to attack Israel, right?

Israel gains nothing from fighting Hezbollah, except in defending themselves?"

And it keeps old benny out of that court room.

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By *ortyairCouple 7 weeks ago

Wallasey


"I do not support israel nor anyone that kills children.

Israel are committing genocide and Usa and Uk say they have right to defend themselves, double standards at play no politician has come out and said hezbollah in lebanon can defend themselves"

Defending yourself does not normally begin with striking some first, maybe that's why?

Mrs x

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By *enSiskoMan 7 weeks ago

Cestus 3


"Israelis are killed. (unlawful)

Palestinians die. (Lawful)

78% against. (Israel has a right to defence but WTF)

22% for. (Israel has a right to defend itself, it is not Israels fault we were attacked, but we will finish this, Hamas hide behind civilians using them as human shields, so we must kill them to get to the terrorists, we must defeat Hamas at the cost of Palestinian lives if they be women and children we will try and limit the killing, we cannot let in aid as Hamas will get it, so at the cost of the Palestinian people we cannot let aid in without first holding it up at the boarder, and checking the trucks contents,

Seems like it has fallen from 25% to 22% for the yes keep attacking

risen by 3% for the no WTFAll innocent lives lost is a tragedy.

However Israel citizens and the kids who died the other day in the Golan Heights are killed through acts of terrorism. The aim of terrorists is to kill these civilians.

In Gaza the deaths of civilians, whilst I've always said is a tragedy, is due to their being g a war. It's not the intention of Israel to kill them. They are casualties of this war.

That's the difference.

Mrs x

I see so Israel should open the boarder crossing and let out women and children, and supply them with aid, clean clothes as well, and a brick house to live in.

Is that difference.In an ideal world all sorts of things should happen. No country would open its borders during a war with the enemy though. The reason why the borders were erected in the first place was to prevent suicide bombers just walking into Israel and killing their citizens.

How about giving notice, ahead of time, of an imminent attack to allow non combatants to leave the combat area? Would that prevent innocent lives from being lost?

Mrs x

I cannot believe you wrote that.

WOW

At the start Israel said goto a certain place, the Palestinians complied but were bombed on the way to the safe area, on getting to safe area they were bombed why, there are Hamas hiding among them so bomb them snip them carrying white flags or not.

When I say to you Hamas are hiding among those to protect themselves then kill them all makes sense, not to me but to you, because that is what justifies your comments.

And Gaza has a seafront Israel could let an agreeing country access to take all the women and children, so at least they would have a chance of repopulating themselves after this has ended.So has a country offered to take any refugees? Egypt hasn't any they have a land border with them.

Mrs x

Egypt will not as we know, it is an idea a solution by me which will mean nowt in the big scale of things.

But as you support their actions by the right to defend, I suggested that to show Israel are not thinking such things like killing women and children.

They have them holed in and are slowly killing them, you state that is because Hamas are hiding among them, so let out the women and children, keep the men in.

Sadly to me it seems that to eradicate Hamas civilians who I heard saying over her dead brothers body that she hates Hamas hates them for what they have brought upon her and others. will have to die.

And that's my issue. I agree with you and Israel try and do that. They leaflet drop saying when they will attack and where, they even use text messages when they can. Ive never known others in a war do this. Hamas insist that the civilians stay. This was evidenced by a CNN report in aboit 2007.

You claim Israel then bomb people fleeing, this is not the case. As horrendous as the figures are they ate only now reaching 40,000. This figure includes civilians and combatants. If Israel wanted to ethnically cleanse Gaza it would be far more simple for them to achieve than what they are doing now. They could just round them all up and shoot them in a field, like the Nazis did or more recently what happened in Bosnia.

As for allowing woman and children to enter Israel that's not going to happen either. You have to remember that these woman and children come from families that voted Hamas in to power. This terrorist organisation, who according to their own constitution, state that the eradication of Jews and the destruction of Israel is their aim. They either voted for this or were brought up hoping this would happen. So no Israel are not going to take in refugees at present. That's not to say they won't, 2 million Palestinians already live peacefully in Israel, but not right now.

The Palestinian woman you talk of who hates Hamas has had almost 20 years to do something about it but these Palestinians who proclaim they hate Hamas have done nothing. They have seen uprising and regime change in other Middle Eastern countries though, so it can be done.

. So you seem to post lots about what Israel should do but what do you genuinely think Hamas and the Gazans should do? What's their responsibility in all of this?

Mrs x"

I am sorry you are wrong they snipered them and targeted several vehicles including aid workers.

Then when they got to the safe place they bombed them again remember upto 14.000 people died in the first few weeks. That was the time people were told to go from the north to the south, when they reached the south they continued to bomb them sometimes using the bombs I described to you earlier.

To kill so many in front of the world is not intelligent and would end Israel, so just say the terrorists are hiding with those people and kill them, you know as that is your defence is it not, it is ok to kill because Hamas is hiding there.

Please read my post properly I said Gaza has a sea boarder, were you got Israel from is on you.

Even though she shares your vision of Hamas being hated, you still have no empathy. and it is hard to leave a concentration camp when one is hemmed in, numbered and checked at security gates.

It seems their responsibility is to wait and die.

Now you like to muddy the waters with long threads and just plain wrong information, so it stops here for me I got things to do.

You are 22% and that for me is all that matters.

Note to self stop coming in here and enabling this 22% to still have a voice, because they have none they are a minority. remember, remember. A warmongering one.

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By *enSiskoMan 7 weeks ago

Cestus 3


"I do not support israel nor anyone that kills children.

Israel are committing genocide and Usa and Uk say they have right to defend themselves, double standards at play no politician has come out and said hezbollah in lebanon can defend themselvesDefending yourself does not normally begin with striking some first, maybe that's why?

Mrs x"

Before I go forgot to ask I usually do, you're sure of who you are talking to right?

As last time you believed I was another poster, so you do know we are different people right?

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By *ortyairCouple 7 weeks ago

Wallasey


"Israelis are killed. (unlawful)

Palestinians die. (Lawful)

78% against. (Israel has a right to defence but WTF)

22% for. (Israel has a right to defend itself, it is not Israels fault we were attacked, but we will finish this, Hamas hide behind civilians using them as human shields, so we must kill them to get to the terrorists, we must defeat Hamas at the cost of Palestinian lives if they be women and children we will try and limit the killing, we cannot let in aid as Hamas will get it, so at the cost of the Palestinian people we cannot let aid in without first holding it up at the boarder, and checking the trucks contents,

Seems like it has fallen from 25% to 22% for the yes keep attacking

risen by 3% for the no WTFAll innocent lives lost is a tragedy.

However Israel citizens and the kids who died the other day in the Golan Heights are killed through acts of terrorism. The aim of terrorists is to kill these civilians.

In Gaza the deaths of civilians, whilst I've always said is a tragedy, is due to their being g a war. It's not the intention of Israel to kill them. They are casualties of this war.

That's the difference.

Mrs x

I see so Israel should open the boarder crossing and let out women and children, and supply them with aid, clean clothes as well, and a brick house to live in.

Is that difference.In an ideal world all sorts of things should happen. No country would open its borders during a war with the enemy though. The reason why the borders were erected in the first place was to prevent suicide bombers just walking into Israel and killing their citizens.

How about giving notice, ahead of time, of an imminent attack to allow non combatants to leave the combat area? Would that prevent innocent lives from being lost?

Mrs x

I cannot believe you wrote that.

WOW

At the start Israel said goto a certain place, the Palestinians complied but were bombed on the way to the safe area, on getting to safe area they were bombed why, there are Hamas hiding among them so bomb them snip them carrying white flags or not.

When I say to you Hamas are hiding among those to protect themselves then kill them all makes sense, not to me but to you, because that is what justifies your comments.

And Gaza has a seafront Israel could let an agreeing country access to take all the women and children, so at least they would have a chance of repopulating themselves after this has ended.So has a country offered to take any refugees? Egypt hasn't any they have a land border with them.

Mrs x

Egypt will not as we know, it is an idea a solution by me which will mean nowt in the big scale of things.

But as you support their actions by the right to defend, I suggested that to show Israel are not thinking such things like killing women and children.

They have them holed in and are slowly killing them, you state that is because Hamas are hiding among them, so let out the women and children, keep the men in.

Sadly to me it seems that to eradicate Hamas civilians who I heard saying over her dead brothers body that she hates Hamas hates them for what they have brought upon her and others. will have to die.

And that's my issue. I agree with you and Israel try and do that. They leaflet drop saying when they will attack and where, they even use text messages when they can. Ive never known others in a war do this. Hamas insist that the civilians stay. This was evidenced by a CNN report in aboit 2007.

You claim Israel then bomb people fleeing, this is not the case. As horrendous as the figures are they ate only now reaching 40,000. This figure includes civilians and combatants. If Israel wanted to ethnically cleanse Gaza it would be far more simple for them to achieve than what they are doing now. They could just round them all up and shoot them in a field, like the Nazis did or more recently what happened in Bosnia.

As for allowing woman and children to enter Israel that's not going to happen either. You have to remember that these woman and children come from families that voted Hamas in to power. This terrorist organisation, who according to their own constitution, state that the eradication of Jews and the destruction of Israel is their aim. They either voted for this or were brought up hoping this would happen. So no Israel are not going to take in refugees at present. That's not to say they won't, 2 million Palestinians already live peacefully in Israel, but not right now.

The Palestinian woman you talk of who hates Hamas has had almost 20 years to do something about it but these Palestinians who proclaim they hate Hamas have done nothing. They have seen uprising and regime change in other Middle Eastern countries though, so it can be done.

. So you seem to post lots about what Israel should do but what do you genuinely think Hamas and the Gazans should do? What's their responsibility in all of this?

Mrs x

I am sorry you are wrong they snipered them and targeted several vehicles including aid workers.

Then when they got to the safe place they bombed them again remember upto 14.000 people died in the first few weeks. That was the time people were told to go from the north to the south, when they reached the south they continued to bomb them sometimes using the bombs I described to you earlier.

To kill so many in front of the world is not intelligent and would end Israel, so just say the terrorists are hiding with those people and kill them, you know as that is your defence is it not, it is ok to kill because Hamas is hiding there.

Please read my post properly I said Gaza has a sea boarder, were you got Israel from is on you.

Even though she shares your vision of Hamas being hated, you still have no empathy. and it is hard to leave a concentration camp when one is hemmed in, numbered and checked at security gates.

It seems their responsibility is to wait and die.

Now you like to muddy the waters with long threads and just plain wrong information, so it stops here for me I got things to do.

You are 22% and that for me is all that matters.

Note to self stop coming in here and enabling this 22% to still have a voice, because they have none they are a minority. remember, remember. A warmongering one."

I read about the sea border and that it was just your idea. Your ideas, or my ideas, won't change a thing.

Have you got a source for where and when Gaza civilians were killed by sniper fire because they were civilians.

As for the aid workers that was down to a number of issues, but you are right it doesn't make that better. Unfortunately mistakes are made during wars.

As for concentration camp, Israel built that to keep Gazans from entering into Istael freely. It wasn't built to keep them in.

Surely all countries can control their own borders. Look at the issues we are having with the issue of illegal immigration.

Also why no complaints against Egypt who've but similar walls on their borders with Gaza, oh yeah it's because they are Jewish. There's a theme here.

And finally, I knew you wouldn't answer my question about what responsibility does Hamas have for all of this, what should they do to stop this? You will never answer this will you?

Mrs x

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By *ortyairCouple 7 weeks ago

Wallasey


"Israelis are killed. (unlawful)

Palestinians die. (Lawful)

78% against. (Israel has a right to defence but WTF)

22% for. (Israel has a right to defend itself, it is not Israels fault we were attacked, but we will finish this, Hamas hide behind civilians using them as human shields, so we must kill them to get to the terrorists, we must defeat Hamas at the cost of Palestinian lives if they be women and children we will try and limit the killing, we cannot let in aid as Hamas will get it, so at the cost of the Palestinian people we cannot let aid in without first holding it up at the boarder, and checking the trucks contents,

Seems like it has fallen from 25% to 22% for the yes keep attacking

risen by 3% for the no WTFAll innocent lives lost is a tragedy.

However Israel citizens and the kids who died the other day in the Golan Heights are killed through acts of terrorism. The aim of terrorists is to kill these civilians.

In Gaza the deaths of civilians, whilst I've always said is a tragedy, is due to their being g a war. It's not the intention of Israel to kill them. They are casualties of this war.

That's the difference.

Mrs x

I see so Israel should open the boarder crossing and let out women and children, and supply them with aid, clean clothes as well, and a brick house to live in.

Is that difference.In an ideal world all sorts of things should happen. No country would open its borders during a war with the enemy though. The reason why the borders were erected in the first place was to prevent suicide bombers just walking into Israel and killing their citizens.

How about giving notice, ahead of time, of an imminent attack to allow non combatants to leave the combat area? Would that prevent innocent lives from being lost?

Mrs x

I cannot believe you wrote that.

WOW

At the start Israel said goto a certain place, the Palestinians complied but were bombed on the way to the safe area, on getting to safe area they were bombed why, there are Hamas hiding among them so bomb them snip them carrying white flags or not.

When I say to you Hamas are hiding among those to protect themselves then kill them all makes sense, not to me but to you, because that is what justifies your comments.

And Gaza has a seafront Israel could let an agreeing country access to take all the women and children, so at least they would have a chance of repopulating themselves after this has ended.So has a country offered to take any refugees? Egypt hasn't any they have a land border with them.

Mrs x

Egypt will not as we know, it is an idea a solution by me which will mean nowt in the big scale of things.

But as you support their actions by the right to defend, I suggested that to show Israel are not thinking such things like killing women and children.

They have them holed in and are slowly killing them, you state that is because Hamas are hiding among them, so let out the women and children, keep the men in.

Sadly to me it seems that to eradicate Hamas civilians who I heard saying over her dead brothers body that she hates Hamas hates them for what they have brought upon her and others. will have to die.

And that's my issue. I agree with you and Israel try and do that. They leaflet drop saying when they will attack and where, they even use text messages when they can. Ive never known others in a war do this. Hamas insist that the civilians stay. This was evidenced by a CNN report in aboit 2007.

You claim Israel then bomb people fleeing, this is not the case. As horrendous as the figures are they ate only now reaching 40,000. This figure includes civilians and combatants. If Israel wanted to ethnically cleanse Gaza it would be far more simple for them to achieve than what they are doing now. They could just round them all up and shoot them in a field, like the Nazis did or more recently what happened in Bosnia.

As for allowing woman and children to enter Israel that's not going to happen either. You have to remember that these woman and children come from families that voted Hamas in to power. This terrorist organisation, who according to their own constitution, state that the eradication of Jews and the destruction of Israel is their aim. They either voted for this or were brought up hoping this would happen. So no Israel are not going to take in refugees at present. That's not to say they won't, 2 million Palestinians already live peacefully in Israel, but not right now.

The Palestinian woman you talk of who hates Hamas has had almost 20 years to do something about it but these Palestinians who proclaim they hate Hamas have done nothing. They have seen uprising and regime change in other Middle Eastern countries though, so it can be done.

. So you seem to post lots about what Israel should do but what do you genuinely think Hamas and the Gazans should do? What's their responsibility in all of this?

Mrs x

I am sorry you are wrong they snipered them and targeted several vehicles including aid workers.

Then when they got to the safe place they bombed them again remember upto 14.000 people died in the first few weeks. That was the time people were told to go from the north to the south, when they reached the south they continued to bomb them sometimes using the bombs I described to you earlier.

To kill so many in front of the world is not intelligent and would end Israel, so just say the terrorists are hiding with those people and kill them, you know as that is your defence is it not, it is ok to kill because Hamas is hiding there.

Please read my post properly I said Gaza has a sea boarder, were you got Israel from is on you.

Even though she shares your vision of Hamas being hated, you still have no empathy. and it is hard to leave a concentration camp when one is hemmed in, numbered and checked at security gates.

It seems their responsibility is to wait and die.

Now you like to muddy the waters with long threads and just plain wrong information, so it stops here for me I got things to do.

You are 22% and that for me is all that matters.

Note to self stop coming in here and enabling this 22% to still have a voice, because they have none they are a minority. remember, remember. A warmongering one.I read about the sea border and that it was just your idea. Your ideas, or my ideas, won't change a thing.

Have you got a source for where and when Gaza civilians were killed by sniper fire because they were civilians.

As for the aid workers that was down to a number of issues, but you are right it doesn't make that better. Unfortunately mistakes are made during wars.

As for concentration camp, Israel built that to keep Gazans from entering into Istael freely. It wasn't built to keep them in.

Surely all countries can control their own borders. Look at the issues we are having with the issue of illegal immigration.

Also why no complaints against Egypt who've but similar walls on their borders with Gaza, oh yeah it's because they are Jewish. There's a theme here.

And finally, I knew you wouldn't answer my question about what responsibility does Hamas have for all of this, what should they do to stop this? You will never answer this will you?

Mrs x"

When I mentioned the wall in relation to your concentration camp claims, it should read that it wasn't built to keep them in, but rather to keep them out of Israel. Even though Israel allowed over 18000 Palestinians to cross the border each day for work, not very concentration camp type of behaviour in my opinion.

Mrs x

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By *rHotNottsMan 7 weeks ago

Dubai & Nottingham


"Following the outbreak of the Israel–Hamas war on 7 October 2023, the United Kingdom has provided Israel with extensive military and diplomatic support. In response to the 7 October attacks, British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak asserted that the United Kingdom "unequivocally" stands with Israel."

Well to be fair he had no right to say that. This is the exact same kind of thing that leads to anti-semitism, when a leaders views and a ruins are seen as a nations views and actions

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple 7 weeks ago

Border of London


"Following the outbreak of the Israel–Hamas war on 7 October 2023, the United Kingdom has provided Israel with extensive military and diplomatic support. In response to the 7 October attacks, British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak asserted that the United Kingdom "unequivocally" stands with Israel.

Well to be fair he had no right to say that. This is the exact same kind of thing that leads to anti-semitism, when a leaders views and a ruins are seen as a nations views and actions "

The assertion was that, in the immediate aftermath of October 7th, Rishi Sunak said that the UK unequivocally stands with Israel.

Your position is that he had no right to say that and that this statement leads to antisemitism?

Is your point that he should have remained neutral and that October 7th was a justifiable act of war?

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By *oxychick35Couple 7 weeks ago

thornaby


"Israelis are killed. (unlawful)

Palestinians die. (Lawful)

78% against. (Israel has a right to defence but WTF)

22% for. (Israel has a right to defend itself, it is not Israels fault we were attacked, but we will finish this, Hamas hide behind civilians using them as human shields, so we must kill them to get to the terrorists, we must defeat Hamas at the cost of Palestinian lives if they be women and children we will try and limit the killing, we cannot let in aid as Hamas will get it, so at the cost of the Palestinian people we cannot let aid in without first holding it up at the boarder, and checking the trucks contents,

Seems like it has fallen from 25% to 22% for the yes keep attacking

risen by 3% for the no WTFAll innocent lives lost is a tragedy.

However Israel citizens and the kids who died the other day in the Golan Heights are killed through acts of terrorism. The aim of terrorists is to kill these civilians.

In Gaza the deaths of civilians, whilst I've always said is a tragedy, is due to their being g a war. It's not the intention of Israel to kill them. They are casualties of this war.

That's the difference.

Mrs x

I see so Israel should open the boarder crossing and let out women and children, and supply them with aid, clean clothes as well, and a brick house to live in.

Is that difference.In an ideal world all sorts of things should happen. No country would open its borders during a war with the enemy though. The reason why the borders were erected in the first place was to prevent suicide bombers just walking into Israel and killing their citizens.

How about giving notice, ahead of time, of an imminent attack to allow non combatants to leave the combat area? Would that prevent innocent lives from being lost?

Mrs x

I cannot believe you wrote that.

WOW

At the start Israel said goto a certain place, the Palestinians complied but were bombed on the way to the safe area, on getting to safe area they were bombed why, there are Hamas hiding among them so bomb them snip them carrying white flags or not.

When I say to you Hamas are hiding among those to protect themselves then kill them all makes sense, not to me but to you, because that is what justifies your comments.

And Gaza has a seafront Israel could let an agreeing country access to take all the women and children, so at least they would have a chance of repopulating themselves after this has ended.So has a country offered to take any refugees? Egypt hasn't any they have a land border with them.

Mrs x

Egypt will not as we know, it is an idea a solution by me which will mean nowt in the big scale of things.

But as you support their actions by the right to defend, I suggested that to show Israel are not thinking such things like killing women and children.

They have them holed in and are slowly killing them, you state that is because Hamas are hiding among them, so let out the women and children, keep the men in.

Sadly to me it seems that to eradicate Hamas civilians who I heard saying over her dead brothers body that she hates Hamas hates them for what they have brought upon her and others. will have to die.

And that's my issue. I agree with you and Israel try and do that. They leaflet drop saying when they will attack and where, they even use text messages when they can. Ive never known others in a war do this. Hamas insist that the civilians stay. This was evidenced by a CNN report in aboit 2007.

You claim Israel then bomb people fleeing, this is not the case. As horrendous as the figures are they ate only now reaching 40,000. This figure includes civilians and combatants. If Israel wanted to ethnically cleanse Gaza it would be far more simple for them to achieve than what they are doing now. They could just round them all up and shoot them in a field, like the Nazis did or more recently what happened in Bosnia.

As for allowing woman and children to enter Israel that's not going to happen either. You have to remember that these woman and children come from families that voted Hamas in to power. This terrorist organisation, who according to their own constitution, state that the eradication of Jews and the destruction of Israel is their aim. They either voted for this or were brought up hoping this would happen. So no Israel are not going to take in refugees at present. That's not to say they won't, 2 million Palestinians already live peacefully in Israel, but not right now.

The Palestinian woman you talk of who hates Hamas has had almost 20 years to do something about it but these Palestinians who proclaim they hate Hamas have done nothing. They have seen uprising and regime change in other Middle Eastern countries though, so it can be done.

. So you seem to post lots about what Israel should do but what do you genuinely think Hamas and the Gazans should do? What's their responsibility in all of this?

Mrs x

I am sorry you are wrong they snipered them and targeted several vehicles including aid workers.

Then when they got to the safe place they bombed them again remember upto 14.000 people died in the first few weeks. That was the time people were told to go from the north to the south, when they reached the south they continued to bomb them sometimes using the bombs I described to you earlier.

To kill so many in front of the world is not intelligent and would end Israel, so just say the terrorists are hiding with those people and kill them, you know as that is your defence is it not, it is ok to kill because Hamas is hiding there.

Please read my post properly I said Gaza has a sea boarder, were you got Israel from is on you.

Even though she shares your vision of Hamas being hated, you still have no empathy. and it is hard to leave a concentration camp when one is hemmed in, numbered and checked at security gates.

It seems their responsibility is to wait and die.

Now you like to muddy the waters with long threads and just plain wrong information, so it stops here for me I got things to do.

You are 22% and that for me is all that matters.

Note to self stop coming in here and enabling this 22% to still have a voice, because they have none they are a minority. remember, remember. A warmongering one.I read about the sea border and that it was just your idea. Your ideas, or my ideas, won't change a thing.

Have you got a source for where and when Gaza civilians were killed by sniper fire because they were civilians.

As for the aid workers that was down to a number of issues, but you are right it doesn't make that better. Unfortunately mistakes are made during wars.

As for concentration camp, Israel built that to keep Gazans from entering into Istael freely. It wasn't built to keep them in.

Surely all countries can control their own borders. Look at the issues we are having with the issue of illegal immigration.

Also why no complaints against Egypt who've but similar walls on their borders with Gaza, oh yeah it's because they are Jewish. There's a theme here.

And finally, I knew you wouldn't answer my question about what responsibility does Hamas have for all of this, what should they do to stop this? You will never answer this will you?

Mrs x When I mentioned the wall in relation to your concentration camp claims, it should read that it wasn't built to keep them in, but rather to keep them out of Israel. Even though Israel allowed over 18000 Palestinians to cross the border each day for work, not very concentration camp type of behaviour in my opinion.

Mrs x"

isn’t Israel 20%muslim aswell and why don’t they want to leave ?

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By *enSiskoMan 7 weeks ago

Cestus 3


"Israelis are killed. (unlawful)

Palestinians die. (Lawful)

78% against. (Israel has a right to defence but WTF)

22% for. (Israel has a right to defend itself, it is not Israels fault we were attacked, but we will finish this, Hamas hide behind civilians using them as human shields, so we must kill them to get to the terrorists, we must defeat Hamas at the cost of Palestinian lives if they be women and children we will try and limit the killing, we cannot let in aid as Hamas will get it, so at the cost of the Palestinian people we cannot let aid in without first holding it up at the boarder, and checking the trucks contents,

Seems like it has fallen from 25% to 22% for the yes keep attacking

risen by 3% for the no WTFAll innocent lives lost is a tragedy.

However Israel citizens and the kids who died the other day in the Golan Heights are killed through acts of terrorism. The aim of terrorists is to kill these civilians.

In Gaza the deaths of civilians, whilst I've always said is a tragedy, is due to their being g a war. It's not the intention of Israel to kill them. They are casualties of this war.

That's the difference.

Mrs x

I see so Israel should open the boarder crossing and let out women and children, and supply them with aid, clean clothes as well, and a brick house to live in.

Is that difference.In an ideal world all sorts of things should happen. No country would open its borders during a war with the enemy though. The reason why the borders were erected in the first place was to prevent suicide bombers just walking into Israel and killing their citizens.

How about giving notice, ahead of time, of an imminent attack to allow non combatants to leave the combat area? Would that prevent innocent lives from being lost?

Mrs x

I cannot believe you wrote that.

WOW

At the start Israel said goto a certain place, the Palestinians complied but were bombed on the way to the safe area, on getting to safe area they were bombed why, there are Hamas hiding among them so bomb them snip them carrying white flags or not.

When I say to you Hamas are hiding among those to protect themselves then kill them all makes sense, not to me but to you, because that is what justifies your comments.

And Gaza has a seafront Israel could let an agreeing country access to take all the women and children, so at least they would have a chance of repopulating themselves after this has ended.So has a country offered to take any refugees? Egypt hasn't any they have a land border with them.

Mrs x

Egypt will not as we know, it is an idea a solution by me which will mean nowt in the big scale of things.

But as you support their actions by the right to defend, I suggested that to show Israel are not thinking such things like killing women and children.

They have them holed in and are slowly killing them, you state that is because Hamas are hiding among them, so let out the women and children, keep the men in.

Sadly to me it seems that to eradicate Hamas civilians who I heard saying over her dead brothers body that she hates Hamas hates them for what they have brought upon her and others. will have to die.

And that's my issue. I agree with you and Israel try and do that. They leaflet drop saying when they will attack and where, they even use text messages when they can. Ive never known others in a war do this. Hamas insist that the civilians stay. This was evidenced by a CNN report in aboit 2007.

You claim Israel then bomb people fleeing, this is not the case. As horrendous as the figures are they ate only now reaching 40,000. This figure includes civilians and combatants. If Israel wanted to ethnically cleanse Gaza it would be far more simple for them to achieve than what they are doing now. They could just round them all up and shoot them in a field, like the Nazis did or more recently what happened in Bosnia.

As for allowing woman and children to enter Israel that's not going to happen either. You have to remember that these woman and children come from families that voted Hamas in to power. This terrorist organisation, who according to their own constitution, state that the eradication of Jews and the destruction of Israel is their aim. They either voted for this or were brought up hoping this would happen. So no Israel are not going to take in refugees at present. That's not to say they won't, 2 million Palestinians already live peacefully in Israel, but not right now.

The Palestinian woman you talk of who hates Hamas has had almost 20 years to do something about it but these Palestinians who proclaim they hate Hamas have done nothing. They have seen uprising and regime change in other Middle Eastern countries though, so it can be done.

. So you seem to post lots about what Israel should do but what do you genuinely think Hamas and the Gazans should do? What's their responsibility in all of this?

Mrs x

I am sorry you are wrong they snipered them and targeted several vehicles including aid workers.

Then when they got to the safe place they bombed them again remember upto 14.000 people died in the first few weeks. That was the time people were told to go from the north to the south, when they reached the south they continued to bomb them sometimes using the bombs I described to you earlier.

To kill so many in front of the world is not intelligent and would end Israel, so just say the terrorists are hiding with those people and kill them, you know as that is your defence is it not, it is ok to kill because Hamas is hiding there.

Please read my post properly I said Gaza has a sea boarder, were you got Israel from is on you.

Even though she shares your vision of Hamas being hated, you still have no empathy. and it is hard to leave a concentration camp when one is hemmed in, numbered and checked at security gates.

It seems their responsibility is to wait and die.

Now you like to muddy the waters with long threads and just plain wrong information, so it stops here for me I got things to do.

You are 22% and that for me is all that matters.

Note to self stop coming in here and enabling this 22% to still have a voice, because they have none they are a minority. remember, remember. A warmongering one.I read about the sea border and that it was just your idea. Your ideas, or my ideas, won't change a thing.

Have you got a source for where and when Gaza civilians were killed by sniper fire because they were civilians.

As for the aid workers that was down to a number of issues, but you are right it doesn't make that better. Unfortunately mistakes are made during wars.

As for concentration camp, Israel built that to keep Gazans from entering into Istael freely. It wasn't built to keep them in.

Surely all countries can control their own borders. Look at the issues we are having with the issue of illegal immigration.

Also why no complaints against Egypt who've but similar walls on their borders with Gaza, oh yeah it's because they are Jewish. There's a theme here.

And finally, I knew you wouldn't answer my question about what responsibility does Hamas have for all of this, what should they do to stop this? You will never answer this will you?

Mrs x When I mentioned the wall in relation to your concentration camp claims, it should read that it wasn't built to keep them in, but rather to keep them out of Israel. Even though Israel allowed over 18000 Palestinians to cross the border each day for work, not very concentration camp type of behaviour in my opinion.

Mrs xisn’t Israel 20%muslim aswell and why don’t they want to leave ?"

What you fail to see is the effect this genocide rather a slow deblberitly murder of revenge is doing to our country and other countries worldwide.

Elections have been influenced by this Israel conflict George galloway got in on this conflict for a short while. but you still consider this to be a good thing in the name of defence.

I suppose you can delete your profile after all this your kind usually do.

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By *ortyairCouple 7 weeks ago

Wallasey


"Israelis are killed. (unlawful)

Palestinians die. (Lawful)

78% against. (Israel has a right to defence but WTF)

22% for. (Israel has a right to defend itself, it is not Israels fault we were attacked, but we will finish this, Hamas hide behind civilians using them as human shields, so we must kill them to get to the terrorists, we must defeat Hamas at the cost of Palestinian lives if they be women and children we will try and limit the killing, we cannot let in aid as Hamas will get it, so at the cost of the Palestinian people we cannot let aid in without first holding it up at the boarder, and checking the trucks contents,

Seems like it has fallen from 25% to 22% for the yes keep attacking

risen by 3% for the no WTFAll innocent lives lost is a tragedy.

However Israel citizens and the kids who died the other day in the Golan Heights are killed through acts of terrorism. The aim of terrorists is to kill these civilians.

In Gaza the deaths of civilians, whilst I've always said is a tragedy, is due to their being g a war. It's not the intention of Israel to kill them. They are casualties of this war.

That's the difference.

Mrs x

I see so Israel should open the boarder crossing and let out women and children, and supply them with aid, clean clothes as well, and a brick house to live in.

Is that difference.In an ideal world all sorts of things should happen. No country would open its borders during a war with the enemy though. The reason why the borders were erected in the first place was to prevent suicide bombers just walking into Israel and killing their citizens.

How about giving notice, ahead of time, of an imminent attack to allow non combatants to leave the combat area? Would that prevent innocent lives from being lost?

Mrs x

I cannot believe you wrote that.

WOW

At the start Israel said goto a certain place, the Palestinians complied but were bombed on the way to the safe area, on getting to safe area they were bombed why, there are Hamas hiding among them so bomb them snip them carrying white flags or not.

When I say to you Hamas are hiding among those to protect themselves then kill them all makes sense, not to me but to you, because that is what justifies your comments.

And Gaza has a seafront Israel could let an agreeing country access to take all the women and children, so at least they would have a chance of repopulating themselves after this has ended.So has a country offered to take any refugees? Egypt hasn't any they have a land border with them.

Mrs x

Egypt will not as we know, it is an idea a solution by me which will mean nowt in the big scale of things.

But as you support their actions by the right to defend, I suggested that to show Israel are not thinking such things like killing women and children.

They have them holed in and are slowly killing them, you state that is because Hamas are hiding among them, so let out the women and children, keep the men in.

Sadly to me it seems that to eradicate Hamas civilians who I heard saying over her dead brothers body that she hates Hamas hates them for what they have brought upon her and others. will have to die.

And that's my issue. I agree with you and Israel try and do that. They leaflet drop saying when they will attack and where, they even use text messages when they can. Ive never known others in a war do this. Hamas insist that the civilians stay. This was evidenced by a CNN report in aboit 2007.

You claim Israel then bomb people fleeing, this is not the case. As horrendous as the figures are they ate only now reaching 40,000. This figure includes civilians and combatants. If Israel wanted to ethnically cleanse Gaza it would be far more simple for them to achieve than what they are doing now. They could just round them all up and shoot them in a field, like the Nazis did or more recently what happened in Bosnia.

As for allowing woman and children to enter Israel that's not going to happen either. You have to remember that these woman and children come from families that voted Hamas in to power. This terrorist organisation, who according to their own constitution, state that the eradication of Jews and the destruction of Israel is their aim. They either voted for this or were brought up hoping this would happen. So no Israel are not going to take in refugees at present. That's not to say they won't, 2 million Palestinians already live peacefully in Israel, but not right now.

The Palestinian woman you talk of who hates Hamas has had almost 20 years to do something about it but these Palestinians who proclaim they hate Hamas have done nothing. They have seen uprising and regime change in other Middle Eastern countries though, so it can be done.

. So you seem to post lots about what Israel should do but what do you genuinely think Hamas and the Gazans should do? What's their responsibility in all of this?

Mrs x

I am sorry you are wrong they snipered them and targeted several vehicles including aid workers.

Then when they got to the safe place they bombed them again remember upto 14.000 people died in the first few weeks. That was the time people were told to go from the north to the south, when they reached the south they continued to bomb them sometimes using the bombs I described to you earlier.

To kill so many in front of the world is not intelligent and would end Israel, so just say the terrorists are hiding with those people and kill them, you know as that is your defence is it not, it is ok to kill because Hamas is hiding there.

Please read my post properly I said Gaza has a sea boarder, were you got Israel from is on you.

Even though she shares your vision of Hamas being hated, you still have no empathy. and it is hard to leave a concentration camp when one is hemmed in, numbered and checked at security gates.

It seems their responsibility is to wait and die.

Now you like to muddy the waters with long threads and just plain wrong information, so it stops here for me I got things to do.

You are 22% and that for me is all that matters.

Note to self stop coming in here and enabling this 22% to still have a voice, because they have none they are a minority. remember, remember. A warmongering one.I read about the sea border and that it was just your idea. Your ideas, or my ideas, won't change a thing.

Have you got a source for where and when Gaza civilians were killed by sniper fire because they were civilians.

As for the aid workers that was down to a number of issues, but you are right it doesn't make that better. Unfortunately mistakes are made during wars.

As for concentration camp, Israel built that to keep Gazans from entering into Istael freely. It wasn't built to keep them in.

Surely all countries can control their own borders. Look at the issues we are having with the issue of illegal immigration.

Also why no complaints against Egypt who've but similar walls on their borders with Gaza, oh yeah it's because they are Jewish. There's a theme here.

And finally, I knew you wouldn't answer my question about what responsibility does Hamas have for all of this, what should they do to stop this? You will never answer this will you?

Mrs x When I mentioned the wall in relation to your concentration camp claims, it should read that it wasn't built to keep them in, but rather to keep them out of Israel. Even though Israel allowed over 18000 Palestinians to cross the border each day for work, not very concentration camp type of behaviour in my opinion.

Mrs xisn’t Israel 20%muslim aswell and why don’t they want to leave ?

What you fail to see is the effect this genocide rather a slow deblberitly murder of revenge is doing to our country and other countries worldwide.

Elections have been influenced by this Israel conflict George galloway got in on this conflict for a short while. but you still consider this to be a good thing in the name of defence.

I suppose you can delete your profile after all this your kind usually do."

You point out this effects our country and others bit don't say how.

You do the same by not saying which elections, or how elections, have been affected by this.

And then you say the poster can delete their account as their kind usually do, even though the poster has been on here for almost 15 years judging just by their verifications.

This is quite a bizarre post even for you,

Mrs x

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By (user no longer on site) 7 weeks ago

They both hate each other and we can only hope Turkey grows a pair and moves in to seperate them. Rip the band aid off now and just set firm borders like should have been done decades ago.

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple 7 weeks ago

Border of London


"They both hate each other and we can only hope Turkey grows a pair and moves in to seperate them. Rip the band aid off now and just set firm borders like should have been done decades ago."

Are you seriously suggesting that Turkey getting involved here would be a good thing?!

You really like blood sports, don't you!

Kurds and Armenians would have a lot to say on this issue. Especially since Turkey cannot be considered a neutral or benevolent actor in this theatre.

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By *owestoft ManMan 7 weeks ago

Lowestoft


"For the benefit of the less understanding...

What I'm saying is Israel has killed thousands of kids on a routine basis to kill a few terrorists with the support of other countries ... Now that a few israli kids have died exactly the same way .. people don't make the connection of double standards.

Does that join the dots? Penny dropped?

"

To kill a few Terrorists lol

First of all, each to their own belief but personally I don't believe Israel are targeting innocent civilians. Also I believe both Hamas and Hezbollah are Terrorist organizations. The main question you pose, I might have read you wrong, is that Israel have only killed a few Hamas Terrorists.

You won't get the real figures, especially from Hamas, but I would suggest there have been many many Hamas Terrorists killed in the incursion of Gaza. Hamas, as a typical Terrorist group, are doing exactly what is known about Terrorism. They are forcing Gazans to stand in front of them to act as human shields. The only people who are responsible for the deaths of civilians in Gaza is Hamas. Hezbollah are the same as Hamas in that they are targeting civilians of Israel.

So in conclusion, No, I don't believe there is any double standards shown by Israel

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple 7 weeks ago

in Lancashire

After taking out the Hezbollah guy in Tehran overnight plus one in Beirut there will be a retaliation no doubt from Hezbollah, Hamas and the Yemen lot..

All backed by Iran who will be less than pleased Israel were able to do so in their own capital..

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple 7 weeks ago

Border of London


"After taking out the Hezbollah guy in Tehran overnight plus one in Beirut there will be a retaliation no doubt from Hezbollah, Hamas and the Yemen lot..

All backed by Iran who will be less than pleased Israel were able to do so in their own capital.."

Hamas guy.

Political head of Hamas.

Quite religiously and ideologically distinct (other than the Israel hate/Jew hate) from Hezbollah.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple 7 weeks ago

in Lancashire


"After taking out the Hezbollah guy in Tehran overnight plus one in Beirut there will be a retaliation no doubt from Hezbollah, Hamas and the Yemen lot..

All backed by Iran who will be less than pleased Israel were able to do so in their own capital..

Hamas guy.

Political head of Hamas.

Quite religiously and ideologically distinct (other than the Israel hate/Jew hate) from Hezbollah."

Cheers ..

I realised I had got that bit wrong but knew it would be corrected..

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By *ortyairCouple 7 weeks ago

Wallasey

Who was taken out in Tehran?

Mrs x

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple 7 weeks ago

Border of London


"Who was taken out in Tehran?

Mrs x"

Ismail Haniyeh

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ismail_Haniyeh

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By *an DeLyon OP   Man 7 weeks ago

County Durham


"Will co fabbers supporting Isreal now realise the double standards of supporting Isreal in murdering thousands of innocent Gazans to kill a few hamas terrorists?

If you can justify the goal or the reason for the (imprecise, likely to miss a target) rocket that was sent over, then we could begin to debate that.

You could debate why you and others defend bias.

To rephrase:

Hezbollah had no justifiable reason for firing rockets for the past months and years. This attack was a gratuitous act of terrorism that caused some bad optics for them. Your cannot compare that with declared military action with objectives. You may disagree with either, but they are fundamentally not comparable.

Moreover, nobody on Fab had "supported" Israel in murdering thousands of Gazans. Literally nobody on Fab had cheered on those deaths.

Were back to double standards again.

Hie can you justify killing huge numbers of innocent people to hit a few hamas

Then get shirty because s hesbolah missile goes astray and kills 12 Get 'shirty', so let me get this correct, do you mean anyone who condemns this should stop moaning because it's not that bad. These were kids that were killed.

As already mentioned, Israel are killing anyone to get to a few Hamas terrorists. Hamas is a huge terrorist organisation, that uses terrorism to further its aims. Like I said before , your arguments is like equating the millions killed in WW2 just to take out one man, Hitler. WW2 was fought, in Europe, to rid the world of a murderous, terrorist ideology in the form of Nazism. It's a very weak argument.

Mrs x"

For the benefit of biased people.. if your supporting the waging of war that kills thousands of children, don't employ double standards when / if the enemy do the same.

This is a fact of reality!

Israel can't have their cake and eat it.

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By *an DeLyon OP   Man 7 weeks ago

County Durham


"Who was taken out in Tehran?

Mrs x

Ismail Haniyeh

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ismail_Haniyeh"

That's the hamas chief [not] the hesbolah leader Hassan Nasrallah

Hamas that Israel are supposed to be negotiating with to get hostages released.

Clear that Israel have abandoned the hostages for political gain and stay in power for as long as they can drag out a perpetual war.

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By *an DeLyon OP   Man 7 weeks ago

County Durham


"After taking out the Hezbollah guy in Tehran overnight plus one in Beirut there will be a retaliation no doubt from Hezbollah, Hamas and the Yemen lot..

All backed by Iran who will be less than pleased Israel were able to do so in their own capital.."

Err.. no hamas leader that Israel were supposed to be negotiating with

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By *an DeLyon OP   Man 7 weeks ago

County Durham

Question for the pro Zionists:

Since Mileikowsky has abandoned the Jewish hostages to their fate for his political gain by perpetuating the war, and also endangering Jews along with all others in the region. Has he and the cabinet not commited antisemitic acts based on the definition for personal advantage, besides flouting international human rights thst is

* Calling for, aiding, or justifying the killing or harming of Jews in the name of a radical ideology or an extremist view of religion.

Also. Is international law secondary in the interests of Zionism?

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple 7 weeks ago

Border of London

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple 7 weeks ago

Border of London


"

Since Mileikowsky has abandoned the Jewish hostages to their fate..."

You mention Benjamin Netanyahu as Mileikowsky quite often. Probably to somehow disprove his European roots, possibly to undermine any claim to Jewish/Middle Eastern heritage? (if not, then please to correct the record)

You might not be aware, but Jewish surnames are a relatively recent innovation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_surname#:~:text=The%20process%20of%20assigning%20permanent,Jews%20to%20adopt%20German%20surnames.

Jews originally used to be known as "Name [son of] Father", in the same manner as most in the Middle East. This was then generally banned in Europe, who were then often forced to take on European-sounding/European/Sometimes demeaning surnames. Many Jews, upon leaving Europe, took on Biblical/Hebrew surnames.

You may or may not agree with Netanyahu. But what you are doing is the equivalent of the following:

Imagine an African American, whose ancestors were forcibly taken to the US to work plantations and given a surname - let's say "Johnson". This individual then changed their name to, say, "Adebayo", to reconnect with their roots. Now, imagine someone decided that they should really be called "Johnson" and insisted on calling them that.

You are doing the same thing, and it's offensive. Please stop being offensive.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple 7 weeks ago

in Lancashire


"After taking out the Hezbollah guy in Tehran overnight plus one in Beirut there will be a retaliation no doubt from Hezbollah, Hamas and the Yemen lot..

All backed by Iran who will be less than pleased Israel were able to do so in their own capital..

Err.. no hamas leader that Israel were supposed to be negotiating with "

. See above ^

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By *an DeLyon OP   Man 7 weeks ago

County Durham


"

Since Mileikowsky has abandoned the Jewish hostages to their fate...

You mention Benjamin Netanyahu as Mileikowsky quite often. Probably to somehow disprove his European roots, possibly to undermine any claim to Jewish/Middle Eastern heritage? (if not, then please to correct the record)

You might not be aware, but Jewish surnames are a relatively recent innovation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_surname#:~:text=The%20process%20of%20assigning%20permanent,Jews%20to%20adopt%20German%20surnames.

Jews originally used to be known as "Name [son of] Father", in the same manner as most in the Middle East. This was then generally banned in Europe, who were then often forced to take on European-sounding/European/Sometimes demeaning surnames. Many Jews, upon leaving Europe, took on Biblical/Hebrew surnames.

You may or may not agree with Netanyahu. But what you are doing is the equivalent of the following:

Imagine an African American, whose ancestors were forcibly taken to the US to work plantations and given a surname - let's say "Johnson". This individual then changed their name to, say, "Adebayo", to reconnect with their roots. Now, imagine someone decided that they should really be called "Johnson" and insisted on calling them that.

You are doing the same thing, and it's offensive. Please stop being offensive."

Lots of hypothetical scenarios going on and also irrelevant.

Mileikowsky is a white American colonist and what your saying still does not excuse what he's doing under international law.

Is Israel above international law?

Netenyahu means "God has given." Which is not only an affront but also just shows what a maniac your supporting.

You do support the Zionist cause and Israel's many illegal actions?

Are their any illegal actions committed by Israel you disagree with?

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By *an DeLyon OP   Man 7 weeks ago

County Durham


"

Since Mileikowsky has abandoned the Jewish hostages to their fate...

You mention Benjamin Netanyahu as Mileikowsky quite often. Probably to somehow disprove his European roots, possibly to undermine any claim to Jewish/Middle Eastern heritage? (if not, then please to correct the record)

You might not be aware, but Jewish surnames are a relatively recent innovation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_surname#:~:text=The%20process%20of%20assigning%20permanent,Jews%20to%20adopt%20German%20surnames.

Jews originally used to be known as "Name [son of] Father", in the same manner as most in the Middle East. This was then generally banned in Europe, who were then often forced to take on European-sounding/European/Sometimes demeaning surnames. Many Jews, upon leaving Europe, took on Biblical/Hebrew surnames.

You may or may not agree with Netanyahu. But what you are doing is the equivalent of the following:

Imagine an African American, whose ancestors were forcibly taken to the US to work plantations and given a surname - let's say "Johnson". This individual then changed their name to, say, "Adebayo", to reconnect with their roots. Now, imagine someone decided that they should really be called "Johnson" and insisted on calling them that.

You are doing the same thing, and it's offensive. Please stop being offensive."

I'm not being offensive, I'm being realistic.

About a thousand years ago my ancestor was [possibly] a Viking warlord called blood Axe I am therefore [possibly] entitled to return to Norway and claim my right to land which [sort of] might [possibly] be mine. Do I'll ethnically cleanse Norway and claim my [possible] land which [might possibly be mine] by right

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple 7 weeks ago

Border of London


"

I'm not being offensive, I'm being realistic.

"

You really don't get it.

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple 7 weeks ago

Border of London


"

Netenyahu means "God has given." Which is not only an affront but also just shows what a maniac your supporting.

"

His father changed his surname to Netanyahu. HIS father's name was Natan (Nathan - biblical). It kind of makes sense, right?

So try again - explain this "affront".

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By *an DeLyon OP   Man 7 weeks ago

County Durham


"

I'm not being offensive, I'm being realistic.

You really don't get it."

Actually you don't get it!

Evil triumphs while good people stand by. Or in this case gullible fools stand by.

"God has given" will stop at nothing and if the USA won't stop him then war will be coming.

I don't care what label he has, Netenyahu.. Mileikowsky..

bloggs It's what he is that counts and he'll join a list of labels

Pol pot

Milosevic

Hitler

The list is endless

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By *ortyairCouple 7 weeks ago

Wallasey


"

I'm not being offensive, I'm being realistic.

You really don't get it.

Actually you don't get it!

Evil triumphs while good people stand by. Or in this case gullible fools stand by.

"God has given" will stop at nothing and if the USA won't stop him then war will be coming.

I don't care what label he has, Netenyahu.. Mileikowsky..

bloggs It's what he is that counts and he'll join a list of labels

Pol pot

Milosevic

Hitler

The list is endless

"

Leaders of Houthis, Hamas Hezbollah not worth a mention then?

Mrs x

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By *astandFeistyCouple 7 weeks ago

Bournemouth


"

I'm not being offensive, I'm being realistic.

You really don't get it.

Actually you don't get it!

Evil triumphs while good people stand by. Or in this case gullible fools stand by.

"God has given" will stop at nothing and if the USA won't stop him then war will be coming.

I don't care what label he has, Netenyahu.. Mileikowsky..

bloggs It's what he is that counts and he'll join a list of labels

Pol pot

Milosevic

Hitler

The list is endless

"

If you don't care what name he has, why bring it up so often?

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By *an DeLyon OP   Man 7 weeks ago

County Durham

Enjoy the war folks!

If not today then sometime in the future because the longer "God's gift" is in power the more likely hell drag everyone in the region into an abyss

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By *ortyairCouple 7 weeks ago

Wallasey


"Enjoy the war folks!

If not today then sometime in the future because the longer "God's gift" is in power the more likely hell drag everyone in the region into an abyss "

Nothing to do with Hamas, Houthis or Hezbollah, who all attacked first?

Mrs x

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By *idnightMischiefMan 7 weeks ago

London


"

Oh really. Perhaps if Israel were satisfied with the ethnically cleansed land they were given by the British instead of flouting international law and stealing more land then things wouldn't be so bad"

The land Israel was 'given' also included Gaza and Judea and Samaria - so they can't really steal what was already given to them.

The occupied / disputed territories are not technically bordered, they are delineated by a ceasefire line from the 1948 war.

It isn't correct to say they were given it by The British, however, because the British were legally mandated to create that homeland for them by the League of Nations.

Also, it's important to understand that there was very little privately owned land in the Palestinian region prior to the British Mandate - most of it belonged to the Ottoman Empire, with some of it belonging to Arabs and Jews (who only settled on the land they had paid for).

Importantly too, with regards to land being 'given away', the vast majority of land in that region was given away to Arabs - and not necessarily local Arabs - even though it had also belonged to the Ottomans.

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By *0shadesOfFilthMan 7 weeks ago

nearby


"Enjoy the war folks!

If not today then sometime in the future because the longer "God's gift" is in power the more likely hell drag everyone in the region into an abyss "

That may be the case, but the Arab states want the annihilation of Israel. If it wasn’t for the iron dome and USA arms, Israel would have been gone by now.

If they could, Hamas would have killed every Jew in Israel on 7 October

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By *idnight RamblerMan 7 weeks ago

Pershore

Deaths of any kind cannot be condoned. But isn't the area in question seized land being occupied by Israeli settlers?

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple 7 weeks ago

Border of London


"Deaths of any kind cannot be condoned. But isn't the area in question seized land being occupied by Israeli settlers? "

If you are referring to the Golan Heights, where twelve young Druze were killed... It was originally Syria. In a previous war, Israel conquered a fair chunk of Syria, then withdrew to the Golan, but annexed it (due to its overwhelming military advantage, which they wanted to deny to Syria, a belligerent state). On that land was a community of Druze, who tend to be overall neutral in the Middle East, often pragmatically supporting whomever is in charge of their area on a given day. Some were okay with Israel, some were not.

The Economist explains it really well:

https://www.economist.com/the-economist-explains/2024/07/30/who-are-the-druze-the-victims-of-a-deadly-strike-on-israel?utm_campaign=a.the-economist-today&utm_medium=email.internal-newsletter.np&utm_source=salesforce-marketing-cloud&utm_term=7/31/2024&utm_id=1909079

Even Hezbollah don't want to take responsibility - it was terrible PR for them.

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By *idnight RamblerMan 7 weeks ago

Pershore


"Deaths of any kind cannot be condoned. But isn't the area in question seized land being occupied by Israeli settlers?

If you are referring to the Golan Heights, where twelve young Druze were killed... It was originally Syria. In a previous war, Israel conquered a fair chunk of Syria, then withdrew to the Golan, but annexed it (due to its overwhelming military advantage, which they wanted to deny to Syria, a belligerent state). On that land was a community of Druze, who tend to be overall neutral in the Middle East, often pragmatically supporting whomever is in charge of their area on a given day. Some were okay with Israel, some were not.

The Economist explains it really well:

https://www.economist.com/the-economist-explains/2024/07/30/who-are-the-druze-the-victims-of-a-deadly-strike-on-israel?utm_campaign=a.the-economist-today&utm_medium=email.internal-newsletter.np&utm_source=salesforce-marketing-cloud&utm_term=7/31/2024&utm_id=1909079

Even Hezbollah don't want to take responsibility - it was terrible PR for them."

Thanks. Seems a complicated back story - like all the Middle East! So what's the official position by UN etc on this occupied land? is it considered fair 'spoils of war' or contested?

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple 7 weeks ago

Border of London


"Deaths of any kind cannot be condoned. But isn't the area in question seized land being occupied by Israeli settlers?

If you are referring to the Golan Heights, where twelve young Druze were killed... It was originally Syria. In a previous war, Israel conquered a fair chunk of Syria, then withdrew to the Golan, but annexed it (due to its overwhelming military advantage, which they wanted to deny to Syria, a belligerent state). On that land was a community of Druze, who tend to be overall neutral in the Middle East, often pragmatically supporting whomever is in charge of their area on a given day. Some were okay with Israel, some were not.

The Economist explains it really well:

https://www.economist.com/the-economist-explains/2024/07/30/who-are-the-druze-the-victims-of-a-deadly-strike-on-israel?utm_campaign=a.the-economist-today&utm_medium=email.internal-newsletter.np&utm_source=salesforce-marketing-cloud&utm_term=7/31/2024&utm_id=1909079

Even Hezbollah don't want to take responsibility - it was terrible PR for them.

Thanks. Seems a complicated back story - like all the Middle East! So what's the official position by UN etc on this occupied land? is it considered fair 'spoils of war' or contested?"

US recognises it.

UN doesn't.

Syria and Israel are technically still at war.

Israel will never cede the Golan (to anyone) no matter who tells them to: they see it as suicide to give up this high ground, since if an enemy were entrenched there, it would give a huge military advantage over all of Northern Israel. There is a slim UN buffer corridor around much of the area.

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By *an DeLyon OP   Man 7 weeks ago

County Durham


"Deaths of any kind cannot be condoned. But isn't the area in question seized land being occupied by Israeli settlers?

If you are referring to the Golan Heights, where twelve young Druze were killed... It was originally Syria. In a previous war, Israel conquered a fair chunk of Syria, then withdrew to the Golan, but annexed it (due to its overwhelming military advantage, which they wanted to deny to Syria, a belligerent state). On that land was a community of Druze, who tend to be overall neutral in the Middle East, often pragmatically supporting whomever is in charge of their area on a given day. Some were okay with Israel, some were not.

The Economist explains it really well:

https://www.economist.com/the-economist-explains/2024/07/30/who-are-the-druze-the-victims-of-a-deadly-strike-on-israel?utm_campaign=a.the-economist-today&utm_medium=email.internal-newsletter.np&utm_source=salesforce-marketing-cloud&utm_term=7/31/2024&utm_id=1909079

Even Hezbollah don't want to take responsibility - it was terrible PR for them.

Thanks. Seems a complicated back story - like all the Middle East! So what's the official position by UN etc on this occupied land? is it considered fair 'spoils of war' or contested?

US recognises it.

UN doesn't.

Syria and Israel are technically still at war.

Israel will never cede the Golan (to anyone) no matter who tells them to: they see it as suicide to give up this high ground, since if an enemy were entrenched there, it would give a huge military advantage over all of Northern Israel. There is a slim UN buffer corridor around much of the area."

You don't have to occupy land to deny its use by an enemy.

Let alone build a playing field for children and putting them in harm's way

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By *an DeLyon OP   Man 7 weeks ago

County Durham


"Deaths of any kind cannot be condoned. But isn't the area in question seized land being occupied by Israeli settlers?

If you are referring to the Golan Heights, where twelve young Druze were killed... It was originally Syria. In a previous war, Israel conquered a fair chunk of Syria, then withdrew to the Golan, but annexed it (due to its overwhelming military advantage, which they wanted to deny to Syria, a belligerent state). On that land was a community of Druze, who tend to be overall neutral in the Middle East, often pragmatically supporting whomever is in charge of their area on a given day. Some were okay with Israel, some were not.

The Economist explains it really well:

https://www.economist.com/the-economist-explains/2024/07/30/who-are-the-druze-the-victims-of-a-deadly-strike-on-israel?utm_campaign=a.the-economist-today&utm_medium=email.internal-newsletter.np&utm_source=salesforce-marketing-cloud&utm_term=7/31/2024&utm_id=1909079

Even Hezbollah don't want to take responsibility - it was terrible PR for them."

Yes they should do what Israel does.. declare a terrible mistake unintended tragedy etc. Plus othe platitudes and it'd be all forgiven.. but hesbolah arnt the IDF so most likely won't work.

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By *an DeLyon OP   Man 7 weeks ago

County Durham


"Enjoy the war folks!

If not today then sometime in the future because the longer "God's gift" is in power the more likely hell drag everyone in the region into an abyss

That may be the case, but the Arab states want the annihilation of Israel. If it wasn’t for the iron dome and USA arms, Israel would have been gone by now.

If they could, Hamas would have killed every Jew in Israel on 7 October "

Take a look at the history. Do you think Israel has adorned itself with admiration for how it treats its neighbours over the years?

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple 7 weeks ago

Border of London


"

You don't have to occupy land to deny its use by an enemy.

Let alone build a playing field for children and putting them in harm's way "

Right.

So Israel should have forcibly ejected the indigenous Druze population?

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By *ortyairCouple 7 weeks ago

Wallasey


"Enjoy the war folks!

If not today then sometime in the future because the longer "God's gift" is in power the more likely hell drag everyone in the region into an abyss

That may be the case, but the Arab states want the annihilation of Israel. If it wasn’t for the iron dome and USA arms, Israel would have been gone by now.

If they could, Hamas would have killed every Jew in Israel on 7 October

Take a look at the history. Do you think Israel has adorned itself with admiration for how it treats its neighbours over the years?

"

You mean when it's neighbours have always started the wars Israel has fought against them? You mean that history? Mrs x

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By *an DeLyon OP   Man 7 weeks ago

County Durham


"Following the outbreak of the Israel–Hamas war on 7 October 2023, the United Kingdom has provided Israel with extensive military and diplomatic support. In response to the 7 October attacks, British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak asserted that the United Kingdom "unequivocally" stands with Israel.Do you have a point or is this just a standalone statement?

If so what purpose does it serve?

Mrs x

“Will co fabbers supporting Isreal now realise the double standards of supporting Isreal in murdering thousands of innocent Gazans to kill a few hamas terrorists?”

In reply to the OP. This is/was the official UK position, unless anything has changed. Sorry, maybe having a bit of a blonde moment but thought the OP wanted fellow fabbers to realise the 'double standards', they have supposedly highlighted.

What's the UKs statement of support got to do with this?

Mrs x"

Actions speak louder than words. The UK government {the Tory 2 party) will always waffle on while being considtamtly duplicitous.

There's no political progress at all the bring the opposing sides to reach a agreement.

Just feeble waffle.

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By *an DeLyon OP   Man 7 weeks ago

County Durham


"Enjoy the war folks!

If not today then sometime in the future because the longer "God's gift" is in power the more likely hell drag everyone in the region into an abyss

That may be the case, but the Arab states want the annihilation of Israel. If it wasn’t for the iron dome and USA arms, Israel would have been gone by now.

If they could, Hamas would have killed every Jew in Israel on 7 October

Take a look at the history. Do you think Israel has adorned itself with admiration for how it treats its neighbours over the years?

You mean when it's neighbours have always started the wars Israel has fought against them? You mean that history? Mrs x"

? Of course it started the war by being created on other people's land.

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By *ortyairCouple 7 weeks ago

Wallasey


"Enjoy the war folks!

If not today then sometime in the future because the longer "God's gift" is in power the more likely hell drag everyone in the region into an abyss

That may be the case, but the Arab states want the annihilation of Israel. If it wasn’t for the iron dome and USA arms, Israel would have been gone by now.

If they could, Hamas would have killed every Jew in Israel on 7 October

Take a look at the history. Do you think Israel has adorned itself with admiration for how it treats its neighbours over the years?

You mean when it's neighbours have always started the wars Israel has fought against them? You mean that history? Mrs x

? Of course it started the war by being created on other people's land.

"

No it didn't, don't use the word 'history' if you're not prepared to learn about it.

Back off to Twitter, off you pop,

Mrs x

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By *an DeLyon OP   Man 7 weeks ago

County Durham


"Enjoy the war folks!

If not today then sometime in the future because the longer "God's gift" is in power the more likely hell drag everyone in the region into an abyss

That may be the case, but the Arab states want the annihilation of Israel. If it wasn’t for the iron dome and USA arms, Israel would have been gone by now.

If they could, Hamas would have killed every Jew in Israel on 7 October

Take a look at the history. Do you think Israel has adorned itself with admiration for how it treats its neighbours over the years?

You mean when it's neighbours have always started the wars Israel has fought against them? You mean that history? Mrs x

? Of course it started the war by being created on other people's land.

No it didn't, don't use the word 'history' if you're not prepared to learn about it.

Back off to Twitter, off you pop,

Mrs x"

I seriously think you should listen to your own advice instead of lecturing others

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By *an DeLyon OP   Man 7 weeks ago

County Durham


"Enjoy the war folks!

If not today then sometime in the future because the longer "God's gift" is in power the more likely hell drag everyone in the region into an abyss

That may be the case, but the Arab states want the annihilation of Israel. If it wasn’t for the iron dome and USA arms, Israel would have been gone by now.

If they could, Hamas would have killed every Jew in Israel on 7 October

Take a look at the history. Do you think Israel has adorned itself with admiration for how it treats its neighbours over the years?

You mean when it's neighbours have always started the wars Israel has fought against them? You mean that history? Mrs x

? Of course it started the war by being created on other people's land.

No it didn't, don't use the word 'history' if you're not prepared to learn about it.

Back off to Twitter, off you pop,

Mrs x"

Try replying to the latest post in "hesbolah entering the war" thread. I'd love to see you reply to that one.

Then take your own advice instead of lecturing others

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By *ortyairCouple 7 weeks ago

Wallasey


"Enjoy the war folks!

If not today then sometime in the future because the longer "God's gift" is in power the more likely hell drag everyone in the region into an abyss

That may be the case, but the Arab states want the annihilation of Israel. If it wasn’t for the iron dome and USA arms, Israel would have been gone by now.

If they could, Hamas would have killed every Jew in Israel on 7 October

Take a look at the history. Do you think Israel has adorned itself with admiration for how it treats its neighbours over the years?

You mean when it's neighbours have always started the wars Israel has fought against them? You mean that history? Mrs x

? Of course it started the war by being created on other people's land.

No it didn't, don't use the word 'history' if you're not prepared to learn about it.

Back off to Twitter, off you pop,

Mrs x

Try replying to the latest post in "hesbolah entering the war" thread. I'd love to see you reply to that one.

Then take your own advice instead of lecturing others

"

Just love you to answer a question anyone asks you on here. So what do you know of the history of the creation of Israel and why Israel is doing what it is in the Golan Heights.

Not holding my breath in case you were worried.

Mrs x

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By *an DeLyon OP   Man 7 weeks ago

County Durham


"Enjoy the war folks!

If not today then sometime in the future because the longer "God's gift" is in power the more likely hell drag everyone in the region into an abyss

That may be the case, but the Arab states want the annihilation of Israel. If it wasn’t for the iron dome and USA arms, Israel would have been gone by now.

If they could, Hamas would have killed every Jew in Israel on 7 October

Take a look at the history. Do you think Israel has adorned itself with admiration for how it treats its neighbours over the years?

You mean when it's neighbours have always started the wars Israel has fought against them? You mean that history? Mrs x

? Of course it started the war by being created on other people's land.

No it didn't, don't use the word 'history' if you're not prepared to learn about it.

Back off to Twitter, off you pop,

Mrs x

Try replying to the latest post in "hesbolah entering the war" thread. I'd love to see you reply to that one.

Then take your own advice instead of lecturing others

Just love you to answer a question anyone asks you on here. So what do you know of the history of the creation of Israel and why Israel is doing what it is in the Golan Heights.

Not holding my breath in case you were worried.

Mrs x"

Fucking hell! You've never answered any of mine! Talk about the pot calling the kettle!

I'll be back after I've cooked my tea.. and I bet you [still] won't have answered my questions!

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By *ortyairCouple 7 weeks ago

Wallasey


"Enjoy the war folks!

If not today then sometime in the future because the longer "God's gift" is in power the more likely hell drag everyone in the region into an abyss

That may be the case, but the Arab states want the annihilation of Israel. If it wasn’t for the iron dome and USA arms, Israel would have been gone by now.

If they could, Hamas would have killed every Jew in Israel on 7 October

Take a look at the history. Do you think Israel has adorned itself with admiration for how it treats its neighbours over the years?

You mean when it's neighbours have always started the wars Israel has fought against them? You mean that history? Mrs x

? Of course it started the war by being created on other people's land.

No it didn't, don't use the word 'history' if you're not prepared to learn about it.

Back off to Twitter, off you pop,

Mrs x

Try replying to the latest post in "hesbolah entering the war" thread. I'd love to see you reply to that one.

Then take your own advice instead of lecturing others

Just love you to answer a question anyone asks you on here. So what do you know of the history of the creation of Israel and why Israel is doing what it is in the Golan Heights.

Not holding my breath in case you were worried.

Mrs x

Fucking hell! You've never answered any of mine! Talk about the pot calling the kettle!

I'll be back after I've cooked my tea.. and I bet you [still] won't have answered my questions!"

I've answered all of yours. Just because you don't agree doesn't mean I've not answered them.

Mrs x

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By *ortyairCouple 7 weeks ago

Wallasey


"Enjoy the war folks!

If not today then sometime in the future because the longer "God's gift" is in power the more likely hell drag everyone in the region into an abyss

That may be the case, but the Arab states want the annihilation of Israel. If it wasn’t for the iron dome and USA arms, Israel would have been gone by now.

If they could, Hamas would have killed every Jew in Israel on 7 October

Take a look at the history. Do you think Israel has adorned itself with admiration for how it treats its neighbours over the years?

You mean when it's neighbours have always started the wars Israel has fought against them? You mean that history? Mrs x

? Of course it started the war by being created on other people's land.

No it didn't, don't use the word 'history' if you're not prepared to learn about it.

Back off to Twitter, off you pop,

Mrs x

Try replying to the latest post in "hesbolah entering the war" thread. I'd love to see you reply to that one.

Then take your own advice instead of lecturing others

Just love you to answer a question anyone asks you on here. So what do you know of the history of the creation of Israel and why Israel is doing what it is in the Golan Heights.

Not holding my breath in case you were worried.

Mrs x"

I did call it didn't I haha.

Just as well I didn't hold my breath I'd be well dead.

Silence is deafening.

Mrs x

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By *an DeLyon OP   Man 7 weeks ago

County Durham


"Enjoy the war folks!

If not today then sometime in the future because the longer "God's gift" is in power the more likely hell drag everyone in the region into an abyss

That may be the case, but the Arab states want the annihilation of Israel. If it wasn’t for the iron dome and USA arms, Israel would have been gone by now.

If they could, Hamas would have killed every Jew in Israel on 7 October

Take a look at the history. Do you think Israel has adorned itself with admiration for how it treats its neighbours over the years?

You mean when it's neighbours have always started the wars Israel has fought against them? You mean that history? Mrs x

? Of course it started the war by being created on other people's land.

No it didn't, don't use the word 'history' if you're not prepared to learn about it.

Back off to Twitter, off you pop,

Mrs x

Try replying to the latest post in "hesbolah entering the war" thread. I'd love to see you reply to that one.

Then take your own advice instead of lecturing others

Just love you to answer a question anyone asks you on here. So what do you know of the history of the creation of Israel and why Israel is doing what it is in the Golan Heights.

Not holding my breath in case you were worried.

Mrs x

Fucking hell! You've never answered any of mine! Talk about the pot calling the kettle!

I'll be back after I've cooked my tea.. and I bet you [still] won't have answered my questions!I've answered all of yours. Just because you don't agree doesn't mean I've not answered them.

Mrs x"

No. you haven't actually

The reason why Israel was created is described clearly. I'm not going to type it out like an errant school boy.

It's on Google.

It's controversial due to a few sanitised references to w wilderness that the Zionists took over.

And also that references to Zionism being formed from russian Jews.

I've deep reservations on how Israel was formed. The British colonialism of the area and handing it over as a homeland.

towns were depopulated and nearly a million Palestinians exiled to the likes of Gaza for Jewish settlers moving in, including white Europeans

"A land without a people and a people without a land rhetoric being used. Also "making the desert bloom " is another line that sounded dodgy to me when I first heard those phrazes.

A common theme for those normalising violence against others is also to de humanise them.

Just like calling the Palestinians as human animals and also gallant saying there are no civilians in Gaza to justify what they're doing.

All very clever too.. denying food water and other materials vital to survival while blaming others..

Being ever do sorry when they pick off aid workers they knew were in the area. Allowing a shit jetty that's about as useful as a fart in the wind being built.. or a few planes in to drop meager rations

It's not the first time I've noticed this. this. I've seen and experienced this with Bosnia..vplys the attitudes and rhetoric of serbs.

Its a human trait to find a "reason" to dehumanise and justify the horrors they commit.

Why was Israel created? To give Jews a homeland.

Now then, if that answers your question, perhaps you'd be good enough to answer mine.. that is if your satisfied with my answer or I need to elaborate.

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By *ortyairCouple 7 weeks ago

Wallasey


"Enjoy the war folks!

If not today then sometime in the future because the longer "God's gift" is in power the more likely hell drag everyone in the region into an abyss

That may be the case, but the Arab states want the annihilation of Israel. If it wasn’t for the iron dome and USA arms, Israel would have been gone by now.

If they could, Hamas would have killed every Jew in Israel on 7 October

Take a look at the history. Do you think Israel has adorned itself with admiration for how it treats its neighbours over the years?

You mean when it's neighbours have always started the wars Israel has fought against them? You mean that history? Mrs x

? Of course it started the war by being created on other people's land.

No it didn't, don't use the word 'history' if you're not prepared to learn about it.

Back off to Twitter, off you pop,

Mrs x

Try replying to the latest post in "hesbolah entering the war" thread. I'd love to see you reply to that one.

Then take your own advice instead of lecturing others

Just love you to answer a question anyone asks you on here. So what do you know of the history of the creation of Israel and why Israel is doing what it is in the Golan Heights.

Not holding my breath in case you were worried.

Mrs x

Fucking hell! You've never answered any of mine! Talk about the pot calling the kettle!

I'll be back after I've cooked my tea.. and I bet you [still] won't have answered my questions!I've answered all of yours. Just because you don't agree doesn't mean I've not answered them.

Mrs x

No. you haven't actually

The reason why Israel was created is described clearly. I'm not going to type it out like an errant school boy.

It's on Google.

It's controversial due to a few sanitised references to w wilderness that the Zionists took over.

And also that references to Zionism being formed from russian Jews.

I've deep reservations on how Israel was formed. The British colonialism of the area and handing it over as a homeland.

towns were depopulated and nearly a million Palestinians exiled to the likes of Gaza for Jewish settlers moving in, including white Europeans

"A land without a people and a people without a land rhetoric being used. Also "making the desert bloom " is another line that sounded dodgy to me when I first heard those phrazes.

A common theme for those normalising violence against others is also to de humanise them.

Just like calling the Palestinians as human animals and also gallant saying there are no civilians in Gaza to justify what they're doing.

All very clever too.. denying food water and other materials vital to survival while blaming others..

Being ever do sorry when they pick off aid workers they knew were in the area. Allowing a shit jetty that's about as useful as a fart in the wind being built.. or a few planes in to drop meager rations

It's not the first time I've noticed this. this. I've seen and experienced this with Bosnia..vplys the attitudes and rhetoric of serbs.

Its a human trait to find a "reason" to dehumanise and justify the horrors they commit.

Why was Israel created? To give Jews a homeland.

Now then, if that answers your question, perhaps you'd be good enough to answer mine.. that is if your satisfied with my answer or I need to elaborate.

"

You need to elaborate, you've not explained anything about the Golan Heights. So please do go on, over to you.

Mrs x

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By *an DeLyon OP   Man 7 weeks ago

County Durham


"Enjoy the war folks!

If not today then sometime in the future because the longer "God's gift" is in power the more likely hell drag everyone in the region into an abyss

That may be the case, but the Arab states want the annihilation of Israel. If it wasn’t for the iron dome and USA arms, Israel would have been gone by now.

If they could, Hamas would have killed every Jew in Israel on 7 October

Take a look at the history. Do you think Israel has adorned itself with admiration for how it treats its neighbours over the years?

You mean when it's neighbours have always started the wars Israel has fought against them? You mean that history? Mrs x

? Of course it started the war by being created on other people's land.

No it didn't, don't use the word 'history' if you're not prepared to learn about it.

Back off to Twitter, off you pop,

Mrs x

Try replying to the latest post in "hesbolah entering the war" thread. I'd love to see you reply to that one.

Then take your own advice instead of lecturing others

Just love you to answer a question anyone asks you on here. So what do you know of the history of the creation of Israel and why Israel is doing what it is in the Golan Heights.

Not holding my breath in case you were worried.

Mrs x

Fucking hell! You've never answered any of mine! Talk about the pot calling the kettle!

I'll be back after I've cooked my tea.. and I bet you [still] won't have answered my questions!I've answered all of yours. Just because you don't agree doesn't mean I've not answered them.

Mrs x

No. you haven't actually

The reason why Israel was created is described clearly. I'm not going to type it out like an errant school boy.

It's on Google.

It's controversial due to a few sanitised references to w wilderness that the Zionists took over.

And also that references to Zionism being formed from russian Jews.

I've deep reservations on how Israel was formed. The British colonialism of the area and handing it over as a homeland.

towns were depopulated and nearly a million Palestinians exiled to the likes of Gaza for Jewish settlers moving in, including white Europeans

"A land without a people and a people without a land rhetoric being used. Also "making the desert bloom " is another line that sounded dodgy to me when I first heard those phrazes.

A common theme for those normalising violence against others is also to de humanise them.

Just like calling the Palestinians as human animals and also gallant saying there are no civilians in Gaza to justify what they're doing.

All very clever too.. denying food water and other materials vital to survival while blaming others..

Being ever do sorry when they pick off aid workers they knew were in the area. Allowing a shit jetty that's about as useful as a fart in the wind being built.. or a few planes in to drop meager rations

It's not the first time I've noticed this. this. I've seen and experienced this with Bosnia..vplys the attitudes and rhetoric of serbs.

Its a human trait to find a "reason" to dehumanise and justify the horrors they commit.

Why was Israel created? To give Jews a homeland.

Now then, if that answers your question, perhaps you'd be good enough to answer mine.. that is if your satisfied with my answer or I need to elaborate.

You need to elaborate, you've not explained anything about the Golan Heights. So please do go on, over to you.

Mrs x"

I've already replied and will do so again.

The Golan heights is a strategic area as it overlooks israel.

It's also for that reason a dangerous area..

I can see why the IDF are denying its use by the enemy.

However, leaving it occupied by civilians 40 Jews and 20 thousand druze after the Arab Syrians fled during the fighting.

Why the Jews moved in is their lookout and also the druze moved in.

If they want to live in illegal settlements on strategally important land illegally annexed from Syria (you know?.. like the Crimean peninsula)and continuously under fire then that's up to them.

Common sense would be not to live there and if a stray or targeted then that's their responsibility. Not hesbolah, not hamas not children in Gaza .. THEIRS!

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By *ortyairCouple 7 weeks ago

Wallasey


"Enjoy the war folks!

If not today then sometime in the future because the longer "God's gift" is in power the more likely hell drag everyone in the region into an abyss

That may be the case, but the Arab states want the annihilation of Israel. If it wasn’t for the iron dome and USA arms, Israel would have been gone by now.

If they could, Hamas would have killed every Jew in Israel on 7 October

Take a look at the history. Do you think Israel has adorned itself with admiration for how it treats its neighbours over the years?

You mean when it's neighbours have always started the wars Israel has fought against them? You mean that history? Mrs x

? Of course it started the war by being created on other people's land.

No it didn't, don't use the word 'history' if you're not prepared to learn about it.

Back off to Twitter, off you pop,

Mrs x

Try replying to the latest post in "hesbolah entering the war" thread. I'd love to see you reply to that one.

Then take your own advice instead of lecturing others

Just love you to answer a question anyone asks you on here. So what do you know of the history of the creation of Israel and why Israel is doing what it is in the Golan Heights.

Not holding my breath in case you were worried.

Mrs x

Fucking hell! You've never answered any of mine! Talk about the pot calling the kettle!

I'll be back after I've cooked my tea.. and I bet you [still] won't have answered my questions!I've answered all of yours. Just because you don't agree doesn't mean I've not answered them.

Mrs x

No. you haven't actually

The reason why Israel was created is described clearly. I'm not going to type it out like an errant school boy.

It's on Google.

It's controversial due to a few sanitised references to w wilderness that the Zionists took over.

And also that references to Zionism being formed from russian Jews.

I've deep reservations on how Israel was formed. The British colonialism of the area and handing it over as a homeland.

towns were depopulated and nearly a million Palestinians exiled to the likes of Gaza for Jewish settlers moving in, including white Europeans

"A land without a people and a people without a land rhetoric being used. Also "making the desert bloom " is another line that sounded dodgy to me when I first heard those phrazes.

A common theme for those normalising violence against others is also to de humanise them.

Just like calling the Palestinians as human animals and also gallant saying there are no civilians in Gaza to justify what they're doing.

All very clever too.. denying food water and other materials vital to survival while blaming others..

Being ever do sorry when they pick off aid workers they knew were in the area. Allowing a shit jetty that's about as useful as a fart in the wind being built.. or a few planes in to drop meager rations

It's not the first time I've noticed this. this. I've seen and experienced this with Bosnia..vplys the attitudes and rhetoric of serbs.

Its a human trait to find a "reason" to dehumanise and justify the horrors they commit.

Why was Israel created? To give Jews a homeland.

Now then, if that answers your question, perhaps you'd be good enough to answer mine.. that is if your satisfied with my answer or I need to elaborate.

You need to elaborate, you've not explained anything about the Golan Heights. So please do go on, over to you.

Mrs x

I've already replied and will do so again.

The Golan heights is a strategic area as it overlooks israel.

It's also for that reason a dangerous area..

I can see why the IDF are denying its use by the enemy.

However, leaving it occupied by civilians 40 Jews and 20 thousand druze after the Arab Syrians fled during the fighting.

Why the Jews moved in is their lookout and also the druze moved in.

If they want to live in illegal settlements on strategally important land illegally annexed from Syria (you know?.. like the Crimean peninsula)and continuously under fire then that's up to them.

Common sense would be not to live there and if a stray or targeted then that's their responsibility. Not hesbolah, not hamas not children in Gaza .. THEIRS!

"

So let me get this straight. It's not the responsibility ikity of those that fire the missiles?

That would seem to blow up your own argument about the whole issue of Gaza.

By your logic Israel have no responsibility for the missiles or bombs they use then?

Do you want to go away and have a little thimk about this?

This is a whopper of an idea, even for you.... Yeah you've shot yourself in the foot, although it's not your responsibility for shooting your foot but it is your responsibility for having your foot. Have I got this right... you couldn't make this up.

Mrs x

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By *bsolutely nutsMan 7 weeks ago

Dover


"Enjoy the war folks!

If not today then sometime in the future because the longer "God's gift" is in power the more likely hell drag everyone in the region into an abyss

That may be the case, but the Arab states want the annihilation of Israel. If it wasn’t for the iron dome and USA arms, Israel would have been gone by now.

If they could, Hamas would have killed every Jew in Israel on 7 October

Take a look at the history. Do you think Israel has adorned itself with admiration for how it treats its neighbours over the years?

You mean when it's neighbours have always started the wars Israel has fought against them? You mean that history? Mrs x

? Of course it started the war by being created on other people's land.

No it didn't, don't use the word 'history' if you're not prepared to learn about it.

Back off to Twitter, off you pop,

Mrs x

Try replying to the latest post in "hesbolah entering the war" thread. I'd love to see you reply to that one.

Then take your own advice instead of lecturing others

Just love you to answer a question anyone asks you on here. So what do you know of the history of the creation of Israel and why Israel is doing what it is in the Golan Heights.

Not holding my breath in case you were worried.

Mrs x

Fucking hell! You've never answered any of mine! Talk about the pot calling the kettle!

I'll be back after I've cooked my tea.. and I bet you [still] won't have answered my questions!I've answered all of yours. Just because you don't agree doesn't mean I've not answered them.

Mrs x

No. you haven't actually

The reason why Israel was created is described clearly. I'm not going to type it out like an errant school boy.

It's on Google.

It's controversial due to a few sanitised references to w wilderness that the Zionists took over.

And also that references to Zionism being formed from russian Jews.

I've deep reservations on how Israel was formed. The British colonialism of the area and handing it over as a homeland.

towns were depopulated and nearly a million Palestinians exiled to the likes of Gaza for Jewish settlers moving in, including white Europeans

"A land without a people and a people without a land rhetoric being used. Also "making the desert bloom " is another line that sounded dodgy to me when I first heard those phrazes.

A common theme for those normalising violence against others is also to de humanise them.

Just like calling the Palestinians as human animals and also gallant saying there are no civilians in Gaza to justify what they're doing.

All very clever too.. denying food water and other materials vital to survival while blaming others..

Being ever do sorry when they pick off aid workers they knew were in the area. Allowing a shit jetty that's about as useful as a fart in the wind being built.. or a few planes in to drop meager rations

It's not the first time I've noticed this. this. I've seen and experienced this with Bosnia..vplys the attitudes and rhetoric of serbs.

Its a human trait to find a "reason" to dehumanise and justify the horrors they commit.

Why was Israel created? To give Jews a homeland.

Now then, if that answers your question, perhaps you'd be good enough to answer mine.. that is if your satisfied with my answer or I need to elaborate.

You need to elaborate, you've not explained anything about the Golan Heights. So please do go on, over to you.

Mrs x

I've already replied and will do so again.

The Golan heights is a strategic area as it overlooks israel.

It's also for that reason a dangerous area..

I can see why the IDF are denying its use by the enemy.

However, leaving it occupied by civilians 40 Jews and 20 thousand druze after the Arab Syrians fled during the fighting.

Why the Jews moved in is their lookout and also the druze moved in.

If they want to live in illegal settlements on strategally important land illegally annexed from Syria (you know?.. like the Crimean peninsula)and continuously under fire then that's up to them.

Common sense would be not to live there and if a stray or targeted then that's their responsibility. Not hesbolah, not hamas not children in Gaza .. THEIRS!

So let me get this straight. It's not the responsibility ikity of those that fire the missiles?

That would seem to blow up your own argument about the whole issue of Gaza.

By your logic Israel have no responsibility for the missiles or bombs they use then?

Do you want to go away and have a little thimk about this?

This is a whopper of an idea, even for you.... Yeah you've shot yourself in the foot, although it's not your responsibility for shooting your foot but it is your responsibility for having your foot. Have I got this right... you couldn't make this up.

Mrs x"

His approach to the argument leans towards antisemitism.

The only reason that I can see, that he cannot be classed as antisemitic is that HE would deny it. The only reason that he cannot be classed as supporting the action of Hamas and Hezbollah is that HE would deny it.

Or maybe I am wrong?

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By *ortyairCouple 7 weeks ago

Wallasey


"Enjoy the war folks!

If not today then sometime in the future because the longer "God's gift" is in power the more likely hell drag everyone in the region into an abyss

That may be the case, but the Arab states want the annihilation of Israel. If it wasn’t for the iron dome and USA arms, Israel would have been gone by now.

If they could, Hamas would have killed every Jew in Israel on 7 October

Take a look at the history. Do you think Israel has adorned itself with admiration for how it treats its neighbours over the years?

You mean when it's neighbours have always started the wars Israel has fought against them? You mean that history? Mrs x

? Of course it started the war by being created on other people's land.

No it didn't, don't use the word 'history' if you're not prepared to learn about it.

Back off to Twitter, off you pop,

Mrs x

Try replying to the latest post in "hesbolah entering the war" thread. I'd love to see you reply to that one.

Then take your own advice instead of lecturing others

Just love you to answer a question anyone asks you on here. So what do you know of the history of the creation of Israel and why Israel is doing what it is in the Golan Heights.

Not holding my breath in case you were worried.

Mrs x

Fucking hell! You've never answered any of mine! Talk about the pot calling the kettle!

I'll be back after I've cooked my tea.. and I bet you [still] won't have answered my questions!I've answered all of yours. Just because you don't agree doesn't mean I've not answered them.

Mrs x

No. you haven't actually

The reason why Israel was created is described clearly. I'm not going to type it out like an errant school boy.

It's on Google.

It's controversial due to a few sanitised references to w wilderness that the Zionists took over.

And also that references to Zionism being formed from russian Jews.

I've deep reservations on how Israel was formed. The British colonialism of the area and handing it over as a homeland.

towns were depopulated and nearly a million Palestinians exiled to the likes of Gaza for Jewish settlers moving in, including white Europeans

"A land without a people and a people without a land rhetoric being used. Also "making the desert bloom " is another line that sounded dodgy to me when I first heard those phrazes.

A common theme for those normalising violence against others is also to de humanise them.

Just like calling the Palestinians as human animals and also gallant saying there are no civilians in Gaza to justify what they're doing.

All very clever too.. denying food water and other materials vital to survival while blaming others..

Being ever do sorry when they pick off aid workers they knew were in the area. Allowing a shit jetty that's about as useful as a fart in the wind being built.. or a few planes in to drop meager rations

It's not the first time I've noticed this. this. I've seen and experienced this with Bosnia..vplys the attitudes and rhetoric of serbs.

Its a human trait to find a "reason" to dehumanise and justify the horrors they commit.

Why was Israel created? To give Jews a homeland.

Now then, if that answers your question, perhaps you'd be good enough to answer mine.. that is if your satisfied with my answer or I need to elaborate.

You need to elaborate, you've not explained anything about the Golan Heights. So please do go on, over to you.

Mrs x

I've already replied and will do so again.

The Golan heights is a strategic area as it overlooks israel.

It's also for that reason a dangerous area..

I can see why the IDF are denying its use by the enemy.

However, leaving it occupied by civilians 40 Jews and 20 thousand druze after the Arab Syrians fled during the fighting.

Why the Jews moved in is their lookout and also the druze moved in.

If they want to live in illegal settlements on strategally important land illegally annexed from Syria (you know?.. like the Crimean peninsula)and continuously under fire then that's up to them.

Common sense would be not to live there and if a stray or targeted then that's their responsibility. Not hesbolah, not hamas not children in Gaza .. THEIRS!

So let me get this straight. It's not the responsibility ikity of those that fire the missiles?

That would seem to blow up your own argument about the whole issue of Gaza.

By your logic Israel have no responsibility for the missiles or bombs they use then?

Do you want to go away and have a little thimk about this?

This is a whopper of an idea, even for you.... Yeah you've shot yourself in the foot, although it's not your responsibility for shooting your foot but it is your responsibility for having your foot. Have I got this right... you couldn't make this up.

Mrs x

His approach to the argument leans towards antisemitism.

The only reason that I can see, that he cannot be classed as antisemitic is that HE would deny it. The only reason that he cannot be classed as supporting the action of Hamas and Hezbollah is that HE would deny it.

Or maybe I am wrong?"

I wouldn't say you were wrong.

Mrs x

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By (user no longer on site) 7 weeks ago

War is ugly and to be fair its not exactly the smartest idea to try and settle on land that is heavily disputed by hostile neighbours. Here's hoping Turkey does go in, and forces the USA's hand to follow suit.

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By *eordie-nufcMan 7 weeks ago

Peterlee

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By *eordie-nufcMan 7 weeks ago

Peterlee


"Enjoy the war folks!

If not today then sometime in the future because the longer "God's gift" is in power the more likely hell drag everyone in the region into an abyss

That may be the case, but the Arab states want the annihilation of Israel. If it wasn’t for the iron dome and USA arms, Israel would have been gone by now.

If they could, Hamas would have killed every Jew in Israel on 7 October

Take a look at the history. Do you think Israel has adorned itself with admiration for how it treats its neighbours over the years?

You mean when it's neighbours have always started the wars Israel has fought against them? You mean that history? Mrs x

? Of course it started the war by being created on other people's land.

No it didn't, don't use the word 'history' if you're not prepared to learn about it.

Back off to Twitter, off you pop,

Mrs x

Try replying to the latest post in "hesbolah entering the war" thread. I'd love to see you reply to that one.

Then take your own advice instead of lecturing others

Just love you to answer a question anyone asks you on here. So what do you know of the history of the creation of Israel and why Israel is doing what it is in the Golan Heights.

Not holding my breath in case you were worried.

Mrs x

Fucking hell! You've never answered any of mine! Talk about the pot calling the kettle!

I'll be back after I've cooked my tea.. and I bet you [still] won't have answered my questions!I've answered all of yours. Just because you don't agree doesn't mean I've not answered them.

Mrs x

No. you haven't actually

The reason why Israel was created is described clearly. I'm not going to type it out like an errant school boy.

It's on Google.

It's controversial due to a few sanitised references to w wilderness that the Zionists took over.

And also that references to Zionism being formed from russian Jews.

I've deep reservations on how Israel was formed. The British colonialism of the area and handing it over as a homeland.

towns were depopulated and nearly a million Palestinians exiled to the likes of Gaza for Jewish settlers moving in, including white Europeans

"A land without a people and a people without a land rhetoric being used. Also "making the desert bloom " is another line that sounded dodgy to me when I first heard those phrazes.

A common theme for those normalising violence against others is also to de humanise them.

Just like calling the Palestinians as human animals and also gallant saying there are no civilians in Gaza to justify what they're doing.

All very clever too.. denying food water and other materials vital to survival while blaming others..

Being ever do sorry when they pick off aid workers they knew were in the area. Allowing a shit jetty that's about as useful as a fart in the wind being built.. or a few planes in to drop meager rations

It's not the first time I've noticed this. this. I've seen and experienced this with Bosnia..vplys the attitudes and rhetoric of serbs.

Its a human trait to find a "reason" to dehumanise and justify the horrors they commit.

Why was Israel created? To give Jews a homeland.

Now then, if that answers your question, perhaps you'd be good enough to answer mine.. that is if your satisfied with my answer or I need to elaborate.

You need to elaborate, you've not explained anything about the Golan Heights. So please do go on, over to you.

Mrs x

I've already replied and will do so again.

The Golan heights is a strategic area as it overlooks israel.

It's also for that reason a dangerous area..

I can see why the IDF are denying its use by the enemy.

However, leaving it occupied by civilians 40 Jews and 20 thousand druze after the Arab Syrians fled during the fighting.

Why the Jews moved in is their lookout and also the druze moved in.

If they want to live in illegal settlements on strategally important land illegally annexed from Syria (you know?.. like the Crimean peninsula)and continuously under fire then that's up to them.

Common sense would be not to live there and if a stray or targeted then that's their responsibility. Not hesbolah, not hamas not children in Gaza .. THEIRS!

So let me get this straight. It's not the responsibility ikity of those that fire the missiles?

That would seem to blow up your own argument about the whole issue of Gaza.

By your logic Israel have no responsibility for the missiles or bombs they use then?

Do you want to go away and have a little thimk about this?

This is a whopper of an idea, even for you.... Yeah you've shot yourself in the foot, although it's not your responsibility for shooting your foot but it is your responsibility for having your foot. Have I got this right... you couldn't make this up.

Mrs x

His approach to the argument leans towards antisemitism.

The only reason that I can see, that he cannot be classed as antisemitic is that HE would deny it. The only reason that he cannot be classed as supporting the action of Hamas and Hezbollah is that HE would deny it.

Or maybe I am wrong?I wouldn't say you were wrong.

Mrs x"

In what way anti semetic?

Isn't it an illegal occupation?

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By *eordie-nufcMan 7 weeks ago

Peterlee


"Enjoy the war folks!

If not today then sometime in the future because the longer "God's gift" is in power the more likely hell drag everyone in the region into an abyss

That may be the case, but the Arab states want the annihilation of Israel. If it wasn’t for the iron dome and USA arms, Israel would have been gone by now.

If they could, Hamas would have killed every Jew in Israel on 7 October

Take a look at the history. Do you think Israel has adorned itself with admiration for how it treats its neighbours over the years?

You mean when it's neighbours have always started the wars Israel has fought against them? You mean that history? Mrs x

? Of course it started the war by being created on other people's land.

No it didn't, don't use the word 'history' if you're not prepared to learn about it.

Back off to Twitter, off you pop,

Mrs x

Try replying to the latest post in "hesbolah entering the war" thread. I'd love to see you reply to that one.

Then take your own advice instead of lecturing others

Just love you to answer a question anyone asks you on here. So what do you know of the history of the creation of Israel and why Israel is doing what it is in the Golan Heights.

Not holding my breath in case you were worried.

Mrs x

Fucking hell! You've never answered any of mine! Talk about the pot calling the kettle!

I'll be back after I've cooked my tea.. and I bet you [still] won't have answered my questions!I've answered all of yours. Just because you don't agree doesn't mean I've not answered them.

Mrs x

No. you haven't actually

The reason why Israel was created is described clearly. I'm not going to type it out like an errant school boy.

It's on Google.

It's controversial due to a few sanitised references to w wilderness that the Zionists took over.

And also that references to Zionism being formed from russian Jews.

I've deep reservations on how Israel was formed. The British colonialism of the area and handing it over as a homeland.

towns were depopulated and nearly a million Palestinians exiled to the likes of Gaza for Jewish settlers moving in, including white Europeans

"A land without a people and a people without a land rhetoric being used. Also "making the desert bloom " is another line that sounded dodgy to me when I first heard those phrazes.

A common theme for those normalising violence against others is also to de humanise them.

Just like calling the Palestinians as human animals and also gallant saying there are no civilians in Gaza to justify what they're doing.

All very clever too.. denying food water and other materials vital to survival while blaming others..

Being ever do sorry when they pick off aid workers they knew were in the area. Allowing a shit jetty that's about as useful as a fart in the wind being built.. or a few planes in to drop meager rations

It's not the first time I've noticed this. this. I've seen and experienced this with Bosnia..vplys the attitudes and rhetoric of serbs.

Its a human trait to find a "reason" to dehumanise and justify the horrors they commit.

Why was Israel created? To give Jews a homeland.

Now then, if that answers your question, perhaps you'd be good enough to answer mine.. that is if your satisfied with my answer or I need to elaborate.

You need to elaborate, you've not explained anything about the Golan Heights. So please do go on, over to you.

Mrs x

I've already replied and will do so again.

The Golan heights is a strategic area as it overlooks israel.

It's also for that reason a dangerous area..

I can see why the IDF are denying its use by the enemy.

However, leaving it occupied by civilians 40 Jews and 20 thousand druze after the Arab Syrians fled during the fighting.

Why the Jews moved in is their lookout and also the druze moved in.

If they want to live in illegal settlements on strategally important land illegally annexed from Syria (you know?.. like the Crimean peninsula)and continuously under fire then that's up to them.

Common sense would be not to live there and if a stray or targeted then that's their responsibility. Not hesbolah, not hamas not children in Gaza .. THEIRS!

So let me get this straight. It's not the responsibility ikity of those that fire the missiles?

That would seem to blow up your own argument about the whole issue of Gaza.

By your logic Israel have no responsibility for the missiles or bombs they use then?

Do you want to go away and have a little thimk about this?

This is a whopper of an idea, even for you.... Yeah you've shot yourself in the foot, although it's not your responsibility for shooting your foot but it is your responsibility for having your foot. Have I got this right... you couldn't make this up.

Mrs x

His approach to the argument leans towards antisemitism.

The only reason that I can see, that he cannot be classed as antisemitic is that HE would deny it. The only reason that he cannot be classed as supporting the action of Hamas and Hezbollah is that HE would deny it.

Or maybe I am wrong?I wouldn't say you were wrong.

Mrs x"

Erm his profile says opposite if it's who your talking about

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By *ortyairCouple 7 weeks ago

Wallasey


"Enjoy the war folks!

If not today then sometime in the future because the longer "God's gift" is in power the more likely hell drag everyone in the region into an abyss

That may be the case, but the Arab states want the annihilation of Israel. If it wasn’t for the iron dome and USA arms, Israel would have been gone by now.

If they could, Hamas would have killed every Jew in Israel on 7 October

Take a look at the history. Do you think Israel has adorned itself with admiration for how it treats its neighbours over the years?

You mean when it's neighbours have always started the wars Israel has fought against them? You mean that history? Mrs x

? Of course it started the war by being created on other people's land.

No it didn't, don't use the word 'history' if you're not prepared to learn about it.

Back off to Twitter, off you pop,

Mrs x

Try replying to the latest post in "hesbolah entering the war" thread. I'd love to see you reply to that one.

Then take your own advice instead of lecturing others

Just love you to answer a question anyone asks you on here. So what do you know of the history of the creation of Israel and why Israel is doing what it is in the Golan Heights.

Not holding my breath in case you were worried.

Mrs x

Fucking hell! You've never answered any of mine! Talk about the pot calling the kettle!

I'll be back after I've cooked my tea.. and I bet you [still] won't have answered my questions!I've answered all of yours. Just because you don't agree doesn't mean I've not answered them.

Mrs x

No. you haven't actually

The reason why Israel was created is described clearly. I'm not going to type it out like an errant school boy.

It's on Google.

It's controversial due to a few sanitised references to w wilderness that the Zionists took over.

And also that references to Zionism being formed from russian Jews.

I've deep reservations on how Israel was formed. The British colonialism of the area and handing it over as a homeland.

towns were depopulated and nearly a million Palestinians exiled to the likes of Gaza for Jewish settlers moving in, including white Europeans

"A land without a people and a people without a land rhetoric being used. Also "making the desert bloom " is another line that sounded dodgy to me when I first heard those phrazes.

A common theme for those normalising violence against others is also to de humanise them.

Just like calling the Palestinians as human animals and also gallant saying there are no civilians in Gaza to justify what they're doing.

All very clever too.. denying food water and other materials vital to survival while blaming others..

Being ever do sorry when they pick off aid workers they knew were in the area. Allowing a shit jetty that's about as useful as a fart in the wind being built.. or a few planes in to drop meager rations

It's not the first time I've noticed this. this. I've seen and experienced this with Bosnia..vplys the attitudes and rhetoric of serbs.

Its a human trait to find a "reason" to dehumanise and justify the horrors they commit.

Why was Israel created? To give Jews a homeland.

Now then, if that answers your question, perhaps you'd be good enough to answer mine.. that is if your satisfied with my answer or I need to elaborate.

You need to elaborate, you've not explained anything about the Golan Heights. So please do go on, over to you.

Mrs x

I've already replied and will do so again.

The Golan heights is a strategic area as it overlooks israel.

It's also for that reason a dangerous area..

I can see why the IDF are denying its use by the enemy.

However, leaving it occupied by civilians 40 Jews and 20 thousand druze after the Arab Syrians fled during the fighting.

Why the Jews moved in is their lookout and also the druze moved in.

If they want to live in illegal settlements on strategally important land illegally annexed from Syria (you know?.. like the Crimean peninsula)and continuously under fire then that's up to them.

Common sense would be not to live there and if a stray or targeted then that's their responsibility. Not hesbolah, not hamas not children in Gaza .. THEIRS!

So let me get this straight. It's not the responsibility ikity of those that fire the missiles?

That would seem to blow up your own argument about the whole issue of Gaza.

By your logic Israel have no responsibility for the missiles or bombs they use then?

Do you want to go away and have a little thimk about this?

This is a whopper of an idea, even for you.... Yeah you've shot yourself in the foot, although it's not your responsibility for shooting your foot but it is your responsibility for having your foot. Have I got this right... you couldn't make this up.

Mrs x

His approach to the argument leans towards antisemitism.

The only reason that I can see, that he cannot be classed as antisemitic is that HE would deny it. The only reason that he cannot be classed as supporting the action of Hamas and Hezbollah is that HE would deny it.

Or maybe I am wrong?I wouldn't say you were wrong.

Mrs x

Erm his profile says opposite if it's who your talking about"

Everyone can have an opinion,

Mrs x

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By *an DeLyon OP   Man 6 weeks ago

County Durham


"Enjoy the war folks!

If not today then sometime in the future because the longer "God's gift" is in power the more likely hell drag everyone in the region into an abyss

That may be the case, but the Arab states want the annihilation of Israel. If it wasn’t for the iron dome and USA arms, Israel would have been gone by now.

If they could, Hamas would have killed every Jew in Israel on 7 October

Take a look at the history. Do you think Israel has adorned itself with admiration for how it treats its neighbours over the years?

You mean when it's neighbours have always started the wars Israel has fought against them? You mean that history? Mrs x

? Of course it started the war by being created on other people's land.

No it didn't, don't use the word 'history' if you're not prepared to learn about it.

Back off to Twitter, off you pop,

Mrs x

Try replying to the latest post in "hesbolah entering the war" thread. I'd love to see you reply to that one.

Then take your own advice instead of lecturing others

Just love you to answer a question anyone asks you on here. So what do you know of the history of the creation of Israel and why Israel is doing what it is in the Golan Heights.

Not holding my breath in case you were worried.

Mrs x

Fucking hell! You've never answered any of mine! Talk about the pot calling the kettle!

I'll be back after I've cooked my tea.. and I bet you [still] won't have answered my questions!I've answered all of yours. Just because you don't agree doesn't mean I've not answered them.

Mrs x

No. you haven't actually

The reason why Israel was created is described clearly. I'm not going to type it out like an errant school boy.

It's on Google.

It's controversial due to a few sanitised references to w wilderness that the Zionists took over.

And also that references to Zionism being formed from russian Jews.

I've deep reservations on how Israel was formed. The British colonialism of the area and handing it over as a homeland.

towns were depopulated and nearly a million Palestinians exiled to the likes of Gaza for Jewish settlers moving in, including white Europeans

"A land without a people and a people without a land rhetoric being used. Also "making the desert bloom " is another line that sounded dodgy to me when I first heard those phrazes.

A common theme for those normalising violence against others is also to de humanise them.

Just like calling the Palestinians as human animals and also gallant saying there are no civilians in Gaza to justify what they're doing.

All very clever too.. denying food water and other materials vital to survival while blaming others..

Being ever do sorry when they pick off aid workers they knew were in the area. Allowing a shit jetty that's about as useful as a fart in the wind being built.. or a few planes in to drop meager rations

It's not the first time I've noticed this. this. I've seen and experienced this with Bosnia..vplys the attitudes and rhetoric of serbs.

Its a human trait to find a "reason" to dehumanise and justify the horrors they commit.

Why was Israel created? To give Jews a homeland.

Now then, if that answers your question, perhaps you'd be good enough to answer mine.. that is if your satisfied with my answer or I need to elaborate.

You need to elaborate, you've not explained anything about the Golan Heights. So please do go on, over to you.

Mrs x

I've already replied and will do so again.

The Golan heights is a strategic area as it overlooks israel.

It's also for that reason a dangerous area..

I can see why the IDF are denying its use by the enemy.

However, leaving it occupied by civilians 40 Jews and 20 thousand druze after the Arab Syrians fled during the fighting.

Why the Jews moved in is their lookout and also the druze moved in.

If they want to live in illegal settlements on strategally important land illegally annexed from Syria (you know?.. like the Crimean peninsula)and continuously under fire then that's up to them.

Common sense would be not to live there and if a stray or targeted then that's their responsibility. Not hesbolah, not hamas not children in Gaza .. THEIRS!

So let me get this straight. It's not the responsibility ikity of those that fire the missiles?

That would seem to blow up your own argument about the whole issue of Gaza.

By your logic Israel have no responsibility for the missiles or bombs they use then?

Do you want to go away and have a little thimk about this?

This is a whopper of an idea, even for you.... Yeah you've shot yourself in the foot, although it's not your responsibility for shooting your foot but it is your responsibility for having your foot. Have I got this right... you couldn't make this up.

Mrs x

His approach to the argument leans towards antisemitism.

The only reason that I can see, that he cannot be classed as antisemitic is that HE would deny it. The only reason that he cannot be classed as supporting the action of Hamas and Hezbollah is that HE would deny it.

Or maybe I am wrong?I wouldn't say you were wrong.

Mrs x

Erm his profile says opposite if it's who your talking aboutEveryone can have an opinion,

Mrs x"

I stand with the Jews who are just as horrified by a far right maniac putting himself above Jews Arabs and Christian atheists lives

Are you a far fascist? you must be if you're supporting Netenyahu

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By *ortyairCouple 6 weeks ago

Wallasey


"Enjoy the war folks!

If not today then sometime in the future because the longer "God's gift" is in power the more likely hell drag everyone in the region into an abyss

That may be the case, but the Arab states want the annihilation of Israel. If it wasn’t for the iron dome and USA arms, Israel would have been gone by now.

If they could, Hamas would have killed every Jew in Israel on 7 October

Take a look at the history. Do you think Israel has adorned itself with admiration for how it treats its neighbours over the years?

You mean when it's neighbours have always started the wars Israel has fought against them? You mean that history? Mrs x

? Of course it started the war by being created on other people's land.

No it didn't, don't use the word 'history' if you're not prepared to learn about it.

Back off to Twitter, off you pop,

Mrs x

Try replying to the latest post in "hesbolah entering the war" thread. I'd love to see you reply to that one.

Then take your own advice instead of lecturing others

Just love you to answer a question anyone asks you on here. So what do you know of the history of the creation of Israel and why Israel is doing what it is in the Golan Heights.

Not holding my breath in case you were worried.

Mrs x

Fucking hell! You've never answered any of mine! Talk about the pot calling the kettle!

I'll be back after I've cooked my tea.. and I bet you [still] won't have answered my questions!I've answered all of yours. Just because you don't agree doesn't mean I've not answered them.

Mrs x

No. you haven't actually

The reason why Israel was created is described clearly. I'm not going to type it out like an errant school boy.

It's on Google.

It's controversial due to a few sanitised references to w wilderness that the Zionists took over.

And also that references to Zionism being formed from russian Jews.

I've deep reservations on how Israel was formed. The British colonialism of the area and handing it over as a homeland.

towns were depopulated and nearly a million Palestinians exiled to the likes of Gaza for Jewish settlers moving in, including white Europeans

"A land without a people and a people without a land rhetoric being used. Also "making the desert bloom " is another line that sounded dodgy to me when I first heard those phrazes.

A common theme for those normalising violence against others is also to de humanise them.

Just like calling the Palestinians as human animals and also gallant saying there are no civilians in Gaza to justify what they're doing.

All very clever too.. denying food water and other materials vital to survival while blaming others..

Being ever do sorry when they pick off aid workers they knew were in the area. Allowing a shit jetty that's about as useful as a fart in the wind being built.. or a few planes in to drop meager rations

It's not the first time I've noticed this. this. I've seen and experienced this with Bosnia..vplys the attitudes and rhetoric of serbs.

Its a human trait to find a "reason" to dehumanise and justify the horrors they commit.

Why was Israel created? To give Jews a homeland.

Now then, if that answers your question, perhaps you'd be good enough to answer mine.. that is if your satisfied with my answer or I need to elaborate.

You need to elaborate, you've not explained anything about the Golan Heights. So please do go on, over to you.

Mrs x

I've already replied and will do so again.

The Golan heights is a strategic area as it overlooks israel.

It's also for that reason a dangerous area..

I can see why the IDF are denying its use by the enemy.

However, leaving it occupied by civilians 40 Jews and 20 thousand druze after the Arab Syrians fled during the fighting.

Why the Jews moved in is their lookout and also the druze moved in.

If they want to live in illegal settlements on strategally important land illegally annexed from Syria (you know?.. like the Crimean peninsula)and continuously under fire then that's up to them.

Common sense would be not to live there and if a stray or targeted then that's their responsibility. Not hesbolah, not hamas not children in Gaza .. THEIRS!

So let me get this straight. It's not the responsibility ikity of those that fire the missiles?

That would seem to blow up your own argument about the whole issue of Gaza.

By your logic Israel have no responsibility for the missiles or bombs they use then?

Do you want to go away and have a little thimk about this?

This is a whopper of an idea, even for you.... Yeah you've shot yourself in the foot, although it's not your responsibility for shooting your foot but it is your responsibility for having your foot. Have I got this right... you couldn't make this up.

Mrs x

His approach to the argument leans towards antisemitism.

The only reason that I can see, that he cannot be classed as antisemitic is that HE would deny it. The only reason that he cannot be classed as supporting the action of Hamas and Hezbollah is that HE would deny it.

Or maybe I am wrong?I wouldn't say you were wrong.

Mrs x

Erm his profile says opposite if it's who your talking aboutEveryone can have an opinion,

Mrs x

I stand with the Jews who are just as horrified by a far right maniac putting himself above Jews Arabs and Christian atheists lives

Are you a far fascist? you must be if you're supporting Netenyahu

"

When have I ever said I support Netenyahu?

I don't support terrorism and I do support a states right to defend themselves from this.

How's your foot? You still think those who the missiles are fired at should take responsibility for being attacked? Still trying to get my head around that one.

Mrs x

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By *an DeLyon OP   Man 6 weeks ago

County Durham


"Enjoy the war folks!

If not today then sometime in the future because the longer "God's gift" is in power the more likely hell drag everyone in the region into an abyss

That may be the case, but the Arab states want the annihilation of Israel. If it wasn’t for the iron dome and USA arms, Israel would have been gone by now.

If they could, Hamas would have killed every Jew in Israel on 7 October

Take a look at the history. Do you think Israel has adorned itself with admiration for how it treats its neighbours over the years?

You mean when it's neighbours have always started the wars Israel has fought against them? You mean that history? Mrs x

? Of course it started the war by being created on other people's land.

No it didn't, don't use the word 'history' if you're not prepared to learn about it.

Back off to Twitter, off you pop,

Mrs x

Try replying to the latest post in "hesbolah entering the war" thread. I'd love to see you reply to that one.

Then take your own advice instead of lecturing others

Just love you to answer a question anyone asks you on here. So what do you know of the history of the creation of Israel and why Israel is doing what it is in the Golan Heights.

Not holding my breath in case you were worried.

Mrs x

Fucking hell! You've never answered any of mine! Talk about the pot calling the kettle!

I'll be back after I've cooked my tea.. and I bet you [still] won't have answered my questions!I've answered all of yours. Just because you don't agree doesn't mean I've not answered them.

Mrs x

No. you haven't actually

The reason why Israel was created is described clearly. I'm not going to type it out like an errant school boy.

It's on Google.

It's controversial due to a few sanitised references to w wilderness that the Zionists took over.

And also that references to Zionism being formed from russian Jews.

I've deep reservations on how Israel was formed. The British colonialism of the area and handing it over as a homeland.

towns were depopulated and nearly a million Palestinians exiled to the likes of Gaza for Jewish settlers moving in, including white Europeans

"A land without a people and a people without a land rhetoric being used. Also "making the desert bloom " is another line that sounded dodgy to me when I first heard those phrazes.

A common theme for those normalising violence against others is also to de humanise them.

Just like calling the Palestinians as human animals and also gallant saying there are no civilians in Gaza to justify what they're doing.

All very clever too.. denying food water and other materials vital to survival while blaming others..

Being ever do sorry when they pick off aid workers they knew were in the area. Allowing a shit jetty that's about as useful as a fart in the wind being built.. or a few planes in to drop meager rations

It's not the first time I've noticed this. this. I've seen and experienced this with Bosnia..vplys the attitudes and rhetoric of serbs.

Its a human trait to find a "reason" to dehumanise and justify the horrors they commit.

Why was Israel created? To give Jews a homeland.

Now then, if that answers your question, perhaps you'd be good enough to answer mine.. that is if your satisfied with my answer or I need to elaborate.

You need to elaborate, you've not explained anything about the Golan Heights. So please do go on, over to you.

Mrs x

I've already replied and will do so again.

The Golan heights is a strategic area as it overlooks israel.

It's also for that reason a dangerous area..

I can see why the IDF are denying its use by the enemy.

However, leaving it occupied by civilians 40 Jews and 20 thousand druze after the Arab Syrians fled during the fighting.

Why the Jews moved in is their lookout and also the druze moved in.

If they want to live in illegal settlements on strategally important land illegally annexed from Syria (you know?.. like the Crimean peninsula)and continuously under fire then that's up to them.

Common sense would be not to live there and if a stray or targeted then that's their responsibility. Not hesbolah, not hamas not children in Gaza .. THEIRS!

So let me get this straight. It's not the responsibility ikity of those that fire the missiles?

That would seem to blow up your own argument about the whole issue of Gaza.

By your logic Israel have no responsibility for the missiles or bombs they use then?

Do you want to go away and have a little thimk about this?

This is a whopper of an idea, even for you.... Yeah you've shot yourself in the foot, although it's not your responsibility for shooting your foot but it is your responsibility for having your foot. Have I got this right... you couldn't make this up.

Mrs x

His approach to the argument leans towards antisemitism.

The only reason that I can see, that he cannot be classed as antisemitic is that HE would deny it. The only reason that he cannot be classed as supporting the action of Hamas and Hezbollah is that HE would deny it.

Or maybe I am wrong?I wouldn't say you were wrong.

Mrs x

Erm his profile says opposite if it's who your talking aboutEveryone can have an opinion,

Mrs x

I stand with the Jews who are just as horrified by a far right maniac putting himself above Jews Arabs and Christian atheists lives

Are you a far fascist? you must be if you're supporting Netenyahu

When have I ever said I support Netenyahu?

I don't support terrorism and I do support a states right to defend themselves from this.

How's your foot? You still think those who the missiles are fired at should take responsibility for being attacked? Still trying to get my head around that one.

Mrs x"

You've done nothing but support a far right nut job who's not only condemned israli hostages but trying to ignite a war for personal gain. A war criminal using genocide and you've done nothing but find every excuse.. like why he assassinated the hamas leader you used pure speculation to condone that madman's actions.

So how about melosovic? What's the difference? Unless you agree he was a great man too.

For someone who's against horrors of war your making some distasteful comments!

One poster suggested assassination of Netenyahu and another postor said it's honest and refreshing..

And you didn't jump on them for taking assassination which I don't agree with!

Like melosovic .. Netenyahu should be dragged into court and spend his days behind bars in prison uniform .. a quick death is is too good for that little shit.

So come on! Tell me how marvelous Netenyahu is for what he's doing.. blind me with your fantastic reasoning

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By *ortyairCouple 6 weeks ago

Wallasey


"Enjoy the war folks!

If not today then sometime in the future because the longer "God's gift" is in power the more likely hell drag everyone in the region into an abyss

That may be the case, but the Arab states want the annihilation of Israel. If it wasn’t for the iron dome and USA arms, Israel would have been gone by now.

If they could, Hamas would have killed every Jew in Israel on 7 October

Take a look at the history. Do you think Israel has adorned itself with admiration for how it treats its neighbours over the years?

You mean when it's neighbours have always started the wars Israel has fought against them? You mean that history? Mrs x

? Of course it started the war by being created on other people's land.

No it didn't, don't use the word 'history' if you're not prepared to learn about it.

Back off to Twitter, off you pop,

Mrs x

Try replying to the latest post in "hesbolah entering the war" thread. I'd love to see you reply to that one.

Then take your own advice instead of lecturing others

Just love you to answer a question anyone asks you on here. So what do you know of the history of the creation of Israel and why Israel is doing what it is in the Golan Heights.

Not holding my breath in case you were worried.

Mrs x

Fucking hell! You've never answered any of mine! Talk about the pot calling the kettle!

I'll be back after I've cooked my tea.. and I bet you [still] won't have answered my questions!I've answered all of yours. Just because you don't agree doesn't mean I've not answered them.

Mrs x

No. you haven't actually

The reason why Israel was created is described clearly. I'm not going to type it out like an errant school boy.

It's on Google.

It's controversial due to a few sanitised references to w wilderness that the Zionists took over.

And also that references to Zionism being formed from russian Jews.

I've deep reservations on how Israel was formed. The British colonialism of the area and handing it over as a homeland.

towns were depopulated and nearly a million Palestinians exiled to the likes of Gaza for Jewish settlers moving in, including white Europeans

"A land without a people and a people without a land rhetoric being used. Also "making the desert bloom " is another line that sounded dodgy to me when I first heard those phrazes.

A common theme for those normalising violence against others is also to de humanise them.

Just like calling the Palestinians as human animals and also gallant saying there are no civilians in Gaza to justify what they're doing.

All very clever too.. denying food water and other materials vital to survival while blaming others..

Being ever do sorry when they pick off aid workers they knew were in the area. Allowing a shit jetty that's about as useful as a fart in the wind being built.. or a few planes in to drop meager rations

It's not the first time I've noticed this. this. I've seen and experienced this with Bosnia..vplys the attitudes and rhetoric of serbs.

Its a human trait to find a "reason" to dehumanise and justify the horrors they commit.

Why was Israel created? To give Jews a homeland.

Now then, if that answers your question, perhaps you'd be good enough to answer mine.. that is if your satisfied with my answer or I need to elaborate.

You need to elaborate, you've not explained anything about the Golan Heights. So please do go on, over to you.

Mrs x

I've already replied and will do so again.

The Golan heights is a strategic area as it overlooks israel.

It's also for that reason a dangerous area..

I can see why the IDF are denying its use by the enemy.

However, leaving it occupied by civilians 40 Jews and 20 thousand druze after the Arab Syrians fled during the fighting.

Why the Jews moved in is their lookout and also the druze moved in.

If they want to live in illegal settlements on strategally important land illegally annexed from Syria (you know?.. like the Crimean peninsula)and continuously under fire then that's up to them.

Common sense would be not to live there and if a stray or targeted then that's their responsibility. Not hesbolah, not hamas not children in Gaza .. THEIRS!

So let me get this straight. It's not the responsibility ikity of those that fire the missiles?

That would seem to blow up your own argument about the whole issue of Gaza.

By your logic Israel have no responsibility for the missiles or bombs they use then?

Do you want to go away and have a little thimk about this?

This is a whopper of an idea, even for you.... Yeah you've shot yourself in the foot, although it's not your responsibility for shooting your foot but it is your responsibility for having your foot. Have I got this right... you couldn't make this up.

Mrs x

His approach to the argument leans towards antisemitism.

The only reason that I can see, that he cannot be classed as antisemitic is that HE would deny it. The only reason that he cannot be classed as supporting the action of Hamas and Hezbollah is that HE would deny it.

Or maybe I am wrong?I wouldn't say you were wrong.

Mrs x

Erm his profile says opposite if it's who your talking aboutEveryone can have an opinion,

Mrs x

I stand with the Jews who are just as horrified by a far right maniac putting himself above Jews Arabs and Christian atheists lives

Are you a far fascist? you must be if you're supporting Netenyahu

When have I ever said I support Netenyahu?

I don't support terrorism and I do support a states right to defend themselves from this.

How's your foot? You still think those who the missiles are fired at should take responsibility for being attacked? Still trying to get my head around that one.

Mrs x

You've done nothing but support a far right nut job who's not only condemned israli hostages but trying to ignite a war for personal gain. A war criminal using genocide and you've done nothing but find every excuse.. like why he assassinated the hamas leader you used pure speculation to condone that madman's actions.

So how about melosovic? What's the difference? Unless you agree he was a great man too.

For someone who's against horrors of war your making some distasteful comments!

One poster suggested assassination of Netenyahu and another postor said it's honest and refreshing..

And you didn't jump on them for taking assassination which I don't agree with!

Like melosovic .. Netenyahu should be dragged into court and spend his days behind bars in prison uniform .. a quick death is is too good for that little shit.

So come on! Tell me how marvelous Netenyahu is for what he's doing.. blind me with your fantastic reasoning

"

I'm not writing a response to my alleged support of Netenyahu.

So here's a cut n paste from a previous comment I've made on this thread.

'When have I ever said I support Netenyahu?

I don't support terrorism and I do support a states right to defend themselves from this.'

Now if you don't want to read this then don't but I'm not answering again if you just refuse to read what I've written.

My advice to you is go and look through all my posts on any thread I've posted on and see if I have declared support for this man. You won't find any because I haven't. So can we put this one to bed.

Can I ask why you think it's the responsibility of one set of parents to remove their children from harm when attacked but not the responsibility of another set of parents to do the same in similar circumstances?

Why do you think the Druze should but the Palestinians shouldn't?

Bet you don't answer this.

Mrs x

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By *an DeLyon OP   Man 6 weeks ago

County Durham

I'm not writing a response to my alleged support of Netenyahu.

So here's a cut n paste from a previous comment I've made on this thread.

'When have I ever said I support Netenyahu?

You didn't specifically say but your always making excuses for his actions : one example being in the middle of trying to negotiate israli hosrage realease.. the hamas leader who was on the negotiations was assassinated. Killing off a chance of getting Israelis released. You gave an excuse "perhaps they saw an opportunity to kill him so took it" no regard to hostages there then.

I don't support terrorism and I do support a states right to defend themselves from this.'

Its beyond self defense.. it's made persecution and war crimes . There were much better ways to sort all of this but narrow minded people chose this endless slaughter

My advice to you is go and look through all my posts on any thread I've posted on and see if I have declared support for this man. You won't find any because I haven't. So can we put this one to bed.

No I can't put this to bed if you endlessly condone a ultra right fascist.

Like I've mentioned before I have witnessed the results of a fascist and the excuse of a means to an end .. as disgusting as it gets!

Can I ask why you think it's the responsibility of one set of parents to remove their children from harm when attacked but not the responsibility of another set of parents to do the same in similar circumstances?

The responsibility of parents is universal: the parents of Jews and druze and anyone else are responsible for living in a strategic area under attack.

It the parents and the israelis responsibility of protecting their children. They chose to live there so very obviously w choice they made.

In the case of the Gazans try do have responsibility by voting hamas isn't clear cut.

What you/other poster is saying is that the those who voted hamas are responsible for bringing "what they deserve" on themselves and others who didn't vote hamas?

And your criticising me? Wow.

100% of those on the Golan heights chose to be there , if 51% of Gazans voted for hamas then the 49% who didn't are collectively punished and deserve it.?

The Gazans are doing their best to keep their kids alive against Israeli bombardments.. starvation and denial of medical care..

Why do you think the Druze should but the Palestinians shouldn't?

You'll have to clarify this one above.

Bet you don't answer this.

Mrs x

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By *an DeLyon OP   Man 6 weeks ago

County Durham

Oh yes.. you personally insulted me so I'll retort..

Quid pro quo

You a test pilot for the broom factory over wallesy?

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By *ortyairCouple 6 weeks ago

Wallasey


"Oh yes.. you personally insulted me so I'll retort..

Quid pro quo

You a test pilot for the broom factory over wallesy?"

When did I personally attack you?

Mrs x

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By *an DeLyon OP   Man 6 weeks ago

County Durham


"Oh yes.. you personally insulted me so I'll retort..

Quid pro quo

You a test pilot for the broom factory over wallesy?When did I personally attack you?

Mrs x"

When you said how's your foot. Referring to the broken meta tars3ls and ankle I got when when the ambulance i was traveling in in Bosnia was hit and overturned

But hey not surprising

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By *ortyairCouple 6 weeks ago

Wallasey


"Oh yes.. you personally insulted me so I'll retort..

Quid pro quo

You a test pilot for the broom factory over wallesy?When did I personally attack you?

Mrs x

When you said how's your foot. Referring to the broken meta tars3ls and ankle I got when when the ambulance i was traveling in in Bosnia was hit and overturned

But hey not surprising

"

I said how's your foot in relation to you 'shooting yourself in the foot' with you're opinion that victims bear responsibility for the missiles fired at them.

Mrs x

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