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Hard times
Royal accounts show the estate has made £1.1bn profit, meaning sovereign grant will rise to £132m for 2025-26
The grant which is to support the Royal
families official duties will rise from £86m in 2024-25 to £132m in 2025-26. It was £31m in 2009 and increased every year through the austerity years while public sector pay was frozen.
Is this a good use of taxpayers money to benefit such a small amount of people. |
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"Hard times
Royal accounts show the estate has made £1.1bn profit, meaning sovereign grant will rise to £132m for 2025-26
The grant which is to support the Royal
families official duties will rise from £86m in 2024-25 to £132m in 2025-26. It was £31m in 2009 and increased every year through the austerity years while public sector pay was frozen.
Is this a good use of taxpayers money to benefit such a small amount of people. "
The Head of State is as exposed to inflation as the rest of us, and with bills to pay. Can't see the problem. |
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"Isn’t this money earned from the estates, rather than tax payers money and paid to him as a grant?
If it is, we as tax payers are getting more."
The article reads that it is public money.
Also that Frogmore Cottage, the house on the Windsor estate that was renovated at a cost of £2.4m to the taxpayer for the Duke and Duchess of Sussex, remains empty. And for balance, the renovation costs have since been paid back to the public purse but does not say where from. |
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"we have just seen the state opening of parliament with loads of horses & gold carriages. the monarch is an enormous waste of money, even a little bit of modernization would be welcome "
The coronation costs were not made public, believed to be between £50 million - £100 million. A substantial amount that could have been put to better use.
The queens coronation in 1953 cost £912,000 |
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"we have just seen the state opening of parliament with loads of horses & gold carriages. the monarch is an enormous waste of money, even a little bit of modernization would be welcome "
But what do you mean by 'waste of money'? Our constitutional monarchy brings us a balanced political structure with checks and balances. We don't have to suffer a Putin, Xi, Berlusconi, Trump, nor do we see borderline civil war like the US. The Royals fulfil their constitutional role diligently and conscientiously. They bring huge revenues from tourism. Why kick a system that works perfectly well, and what would you propose that's better? |
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By *irldnCouple 7 weeks ago
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"we have just seen the state opening of parliament with loads of horses & gold carriages. the monarch is an enormous waste of money, even a little bit of modernization would be welcome "
They should just use a couple of old ex-military Land Rovers. Queen loved driving hers around Balmoral apparently  |
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"Hard times
Royal accounts show the estate has made £1.1bn profit, meaning sovereign grant will rise to £132m for 2025-26
The grant which is to support the Royal
families official duties will rise from £86m in 2024-25 to £132m in 2025-26. It was £31m in 2009 and increased every year through the austerity years while public sector pay was frozen.
Is this a good use of taxpayers money to benefit such a small amount of people. "
discusting there a shower of shite get rid of them all |
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"we have just seen the state opening of parliament with loads of horses & gold carriages. the monarch is an enormous waste of money, even a little bit of modernization would be welcome
But what do you mean by 'waste of money'? Our constitutional monarchy brings us a balanced political structure with checks and balances. We don't have to suffer a Putin, Xi, Berlusconi, Trump, nor do we see borderline civil war like the US. The Royals fulfil their constitutional role diligently and conscientiously. They bring huge revenues from tourism. Why kick a system that works perfectly well, and what would you propose that's better? "
Portugal’s, Greece, Turkey and Italy’s to name a few, tourism industry’s perform well without a monarchy. What makes uk tourism reliant? |
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"we have just seen the state opening of parliament with loads of horses & gold carriages. the monarch is an enormous waste of money, even a little bit of modernization would be welcome
But what do you mean by 'waste of money'? Our constitutional monarchy brings us a balanced political structure with checks and balances. We don't have to suffer a Putin, Xi, Berlusconi, Trump, nor do we see borderline civil war like the US. The Royals fulfil their constitutional role diligently and conscientiously. They bring huge revenues from tourism. Why kick a system that works perfectly well, and what would you propose that's better?
Portugal’s, Greece, Turkey and Italy’s to name a few, tourism industry’s perform well without a monarchy. What makes uk tourism reliant? "
new York Paris Madrid Rome Amsterdam there’s lots of places where tourism does very well without a king of queen why can’t London is it really that bad ? |
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"Isn’t this money earned from the estates, rather than tax payers money and paid to him as a grant?
If it is, we as tax payers are getting more."
Exactly and the 12% grant to the Monachy is also being used to fund the modernisation of Buckingham Palace.
In the last 14 years the Tories have destroyed the UK, but the Monachy remains one of the very few British international success stories.
Amazing that people wish to destroy that as well. |
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"we have just seen the state opening of parliament with loads of horses & gold carriages. the monarch is an enormous waste of money, even a little bit of modernization would be welcome
But what do you mean by 'waste of money'? Our constitutional monarchy brings us a balanced political structure with checks and balances. We don't have to suffer a Putin, Xi, Berlusconi, Trump, nor do we see borderline civil war like the US. The Royals fulfil their constitutional role diligently and conscientiously. They bring huge revenues from tourism. Why kick a system that works perfectly well, and what would you propose that's better?
Portugal’s, Greece, Turkey and Italy’s to name a few, tourism industry’s perform well without a monarchy. What makes uk tourism reliant? "
Well for a start they've all got blue skies and the sun. |
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"we have just seen the state opening of parliament with loads of horses & gold carriages. the monarch is an enormous waste of money, even a little bit of modernization would be welcome
But what do you mean by 'waste of money'? Our constitutional monarchy brings us a balanced political structure with checks and balances. We don't have to suffer a Putin, Xi, Berlusconi, Trump, nor do we see borderline civil war like the US. The Royals fulfil their constitutional role diligently and conscientiously. They bring huge revenues from tourism. Why kick a system that works perfectly well, and what would you propose that's better?
Portugal’s, Greece, Turkey and Italy’s to name a few, tourism industry’s perform well without a monarchy. What makes uk tourism reliant? new York Paris Madrid Rome Amsterdam there’s lots of places where tourism does very well without a king of queen why can’t London is it really that bad ?"
Spain and Netherlands have monarchies, and France has Petite Napoleon Macron who is an Emperor. |
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"Hard times
Royal accounts show the estate has made £1.1bn profit, meaning sovereign grant will rise to £132m for 2025-26
The grant which is to support the Royal
families official duties will rise from £86m in 2024-25 to £132m in 2025-26. It was £31m in 2009 and increased every year through the austerity years while public sector pay was frozen.
Is this a good use of taxpayers money to benefit such a small amount of people. "
It's not tax payers money to start with. The monarch only gets back on average 15% of what they pay to the government. If that 15% has risen then so has the 85% that the treasury receive. I read the BBC account to which points out that the expansion of windfalls has greatly increased profits of the crown estate. |
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By *exyusMan 7 weeks ago
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Our royal family and system is the main reason for our stability over thousands of years. The most successful countries have similar systems. The income has vastly increased so their percentage has increased and this cost is not a lot compared to the tourist income and prestige it brings to the UK etc etc |
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By *irldnCouple 7 weeks ago
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"Our royal family and system is the main reason for our stability over thousands of years. The most successful countries have similar systems. The income has vastly increased so their percentage has increased and this cost is not a lot compared to the tourist income and prestige it brings to the UK etc etc "
“Thousands of years” is not strictly accurate
As for stability, well King John, The Yorks and Lancasters, Cromwell, William of Orange would all like a word  |
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"Our royal family and system is the main reason for our stability over thousands of years. The most successful countries have similar systems. The income has vastly increased so their percentage has increased and this cost is not a lot compared to the tourist income and prestige it brings to the UK etc etc "
What have the royal family done to keep the country stable? |
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"Our royal family and system is the main reason for our stability over thousands of years. The most successful countries have similar systems. The income has vastly increased so their percentage has increased and this cost is not a lot compared to the tourist income and prestige it brings to the UK etc etc
What have the royal family done to keep the country stable?"
They provide a crucial balance in our political system such that not too much power is vested with politicians. For example, the police, military, judges, magistrates swear allegiance to the crown and are less open to political manipulation.
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"Our royal family and system is the main reason for our stability over thousands of years. The most successful countries have similar systems. The income has vastly increased so their percentage has increased and this cost is not a lot compared to the tourist income and prestige it brings to the UK etc etc
What have the royal family done to keep the country stable?
They provide a crucial balance in our political system such that not too much power is vested with politicians. For example, the police, military, judges, magistrates swear allegiance to the crown and are less open to political manipulation.
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The Crown Estates, historically, have been keeping 25% of their income to pay for Royal use. This has been reduced to 12% so the King's income from that is halved.
Because the returns from off shore wind farms is so much higher the King still receives more than he used to. This extra money will go towards the maintenance of Royal properties, vehicles, etc.
I wonder, how would a super rich person feel if they had made a massive profit from Amazon shares only to have the Government arbitarily take half of it? |
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"Our royal family and system is the main reason for our stability over thousands of years. The most successful countries have similar systems. The income has vastly increased so their percentage has increased and this cost is not a lot compared to the tourist income and prestige it brings to the UK etc etc
What have the royal family done to keep the country stable?
They provide a crucial balance in our political system such that not too much power is vested with politicians. For example, the police, military, judges, magistrates swear allegiance to the crown and are less open to political manipulation.
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You think that swearing allegiance to the crown makes a judge etc. less open to political manipulation than swearing allegiance to the people, or the nation? |
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"Our royal family and system is the main reason for our stability over thousands of years. The most successful countries have similar systems. The income has vastly increased so their percentage has increased and this cost is not a lot compared to the tourist income and prestige it brings to the UK etc etc
What have the royal family done to keep the country stable?"
Thankfully, and unlike many elected officials, nothing at all. They are mostly seen and not heard. They don't react particularly much, except in extremis.
If you consider the cost of US presidential elections ($6bn+) they're saving the country a ton of money.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/election-us-2020-54696386
https://www.opensecrets.org/elections-overview/cost-of-election
This is all a bit tongue-in-cheek. Although the current monarchy (and associated system) is not one that it would make sense to institute today, until a better system comes along, they're good enough. |
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"Our royal family and system is the main reason for our stability over thousands of years. The most successful countries have similar systems. The income has vastly increased so their percentage has increased and this cost is not a lot compared to the tourist income and prestige it brings to the UK etc etc
What have the royal family done to keep the country stable?
Thankfully, and unlike many elected officials, nothing at all. They are mostly seen and not heard. They don't react particularly much, except in extremis.
If you consider the cost of US presidential elections ($6bn+) they're saving the country a ton of money.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/election-us-2020-54696386
https://www.opensecrets.org/elections-overview/cost-of-election
This is all a bit tongue-in-cheek. Although the current monarchy (and associated system) is not one that it would make sense to institute today, until a better system comes along, they're good enough."
That’s on the assumption that such a system is required at all. |
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" Although the current monarchy (and associated system) is not one that it would make sense to institute today, until a better system comes along, they're good enough.
That’s on the assumption that such a system is required at all."
Almost every nation recognises the benefit of an individual at whom the buck stops. Who can form and dissolve a government/parliament and hold them accountable. (And who is accountable to the public via parliament) |
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"Our royal family and system is the main reason for our stability over thousands of years. The most successful countries have similar systems. The income has vastly increased so their percentage has increased and this cost is not a lot compared to the tourist income and prestige it brings to the UK etc etc
What have the royal family done to keep the country stable?
They provide a crucial balance in our political system such that not too much power is vested with politicians. For example, the police, military, judges, magistrates swear allegiance to the crown and are less open to political manipulation.
You think that swearing allegiance to the crown makes a judge etc. less open to political manipulation than swearing allegiance to the people, or the nation?"
Yes, definitely. These are roles in society that should be apolitical. |
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" Although the current monarchy (and associated system) is not one that it would make sense to institute today, until a better system comes along, they're good enough.
That’s on the assumption that such a system is required at all.
Almost every nation recognises the benefit of an individual at whom the buck stops. Who can form and dissolve a government/parliament and hold them accountable. (And who is accountable to the public via parliament)"
Like Putin, Lukashenko, Jong-un, Xi, you mean? Or maybe the Mullahs in Iran or the Taliban in Afghanistan. Plenty of role models to choose from. |
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" Although the current monarchy (and associated system) is not one that it would make sense to institute today, until a better system comes along, they're good enough.
That’s on the assumption that such a system is required at all.
Almost every nation recognises the benefit of an individual at whom the buck stops. Who can form and dissolve a government/parliament and hold them accountable. (And who is accountable to the public via parliament)"
We have a person at the top with whom the buck stops, the Prime Minister. If the buck stopped with monarch the then queen would’ve stepped in when Boris Johnson illegally prorogued parliament. She didn’t, and that’s because the buck didn’t stop with her because the position is entirely honorific. |
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"Our royal family and system is the main reason for our stability over thousands of years. The most successful countries have similar systems. The income has vastly increased so their percentage has increased and this cost is not a lot compared to the tourist income and prestige it brings to the UK etc etc
What have the royal family done to keep the country stable?
They provide a crucial balance in our political system such that not too much power is vested with politicians. For example, the police, military, judges, magistrates swear allegiance to the crown and are less open to political manipulation.
You think that swearing allegiance to the crown makes a judge etc. less open to political manipulation than swearing allegiance to the people, or the nation?
Yes, definitely. These are roles in society that should be apolitical."
What about swearing allegiance to the crown makes it apolitical when swearing allegiance to the people or the country does not? |
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The Crown Estates, historically, have been keeping 25% of their income to pay for Royal use. This has been reduced to 12% so the King's income from that is halved.
Because the returns from off shore wind farms is so much higher the King still receives more than he used to. This extra money will go towards the maintenance of Royal properties, vehicles, etc.
I wonder, how would a super rich person feel if they had made a massive profit from Amazon shares only to have the Government arbitarily take half of it? "
The UK government actually takes 88% of it by agreement with the Monarch.
Today it has been announced that our new Great British Energy company has agreed to develop more of the Crown Estate owned sea bed to provide sufficient power for 20 million homes by 2030, thus further benefiting this arrangement. Win win for everyone and much better than buying energy from foreign governments. |
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By *irldnCouple 7 weeks ago
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Going off on a tangent…
As the military swear allegiance to the Monarch/The Crown and the King is, I believe correct me if wrong, the “Commander-in-Chief” what would happen in a situation where the Monarch and the Prime Minister (or Parliament) found themselves in serious disagreement (alt reality time here but say Johnson had used Covid to try and establish a dictatorship)? |
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" Although the current monarchy (and associated system) is not one that it would make sense to institute today, until a better system comes along, they're good enough.
That’s on the assumption that such a system is required at all.
Almost every nation recognises the benefit of an individual at whom the buck stops. Who can form and dissolve a government/parliament and hold them accountable. (And who is accountable to the public via parliament)
Like Putin, Lukashenko, Jong-un, Xi, you mean? Or maybe the Mullahs in Iran or the Taliban in Afghanistan. Plenty of role models to choose from."
None of them are accountable, that's exactly the problem. |
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"Going off on a tangent…
As the military swear allegiance to the Monarch/The Crown and the King is, I believe correct me if wrong, the “Commander-in-Chief” what would happen in a situation where the Monarch and the Prime Minister (or Parliament) found themselves in serious disagreement (alt reality time here but say Johnson had used Covid to try and establish a dictatorship)?"
The overwhelming majority of the military would have supported the Queen. |
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"Hard times
Royal accounts show the estate has made £1.1bn profit, meaning sovereign grant will rise to £132m for 2025-26
The grant which is to support the Royal
families official duties will rise from £86m in 2024-25 to £132m in 2025-26. It was £31m in 2009 and increased every year through the austerity years while public sector pay was frozen.
Is this a good use of taxpayers money to benefit such a small amount of people. "
The 6th biggest economy in the world, so it is right that the King gets a rise.
No matter for starving children, high mortgages and daily food costs.
And it also shows that there can be no inequality between rich and poor. |
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"Hard times
Royal accounts show the estate has made £1.1bn profit, meaning sovereign grant will rise to £132m for 2025-26
The grant which is to support the Royal
families official duties will rise from £86m in 2024-25 to £132m in 2025-26. It was £31m in 2009 and increased every year through the austerity years while public sector pay was frozen.
Is this a good use of taxpayers money to benefit such a small amount of people. "
How about the water companies making 30 billion to pollute our rivers?
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Cost of taxpayer per person Royal Family in the UK = £0.37/year
Cost of taxpayer for Grand Duke of Luxembourg per year (and this includes non-residents driving in from Belgium, France and Germany)
= €37/ year
The British Royal Family is the 11th richest royal family in the world...
Grand Duke Henri is #7, Juan Carlos I of Spain (abdicated in 2014) is #8,
Prince Hans Adam of Lichtenstein in #5.. the top four Royal Families are Asian.
So... King Charles... not as rich as the rest of them. He's not even a billionaire, his cousin Prince Albert II beat him at 1.0 billion.
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_royalty_by_net_worth?wprov=sfla1
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"Cost of taxpayer per person Royal Family in the UK = £0.37/year
Cost of taxpayer for Grand Duke of Luxembourg per year (and this includes non-residents driving in from Belgium, France and Germany)
= €37/ year
The British Royal Family is the 11th richest royal family in the world...
Grand Duke Henri is #7, Juan Carlos I of Spain (abdicated in 2014) is #8,
Prince Hans Adam of Lichtenstein in #5.. the top four Royal Families are Asian.
So... King Charles... not as rich as the rest of them. He's not even a billionaire, his cousin Prince Albert II beat him at 1.0 billion.
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_royalty_by_net_worth?wprov=sfla1
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So kids can stare, ok then. |
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The Crown Estates, historically, have been keeping 25% of their income to pay for Royal use. This has been reduced to 12% so the King's income from that is halved.
Because the returns from off shore wind farms is so much higher the King still receives more than he used to. This extra money will go towards the maintenance of Royal properties, vehicles, etc.
I wonder, how would a super rich person feel if they had made a massive profit from Amazon shares only to have the Government arbitarily take half of it?
The UK government actually takes 88% of it by agreement with the Monarch.
Today it has been announced that our new Great British Energy company has agreed to develop more of the Crown Estate owned sea bed to provide sufficient power for 20 million homes by 2030, thus further benefiting this arrangement. Win win for everyone and much better than buying energy from foreign governments."
Indeed, as well as increasing the money handed to the government (good news), the monarch is getting an increase as well which is largely down to the increase in wind farms and renewable energy. If your a green party or similar follower but also anti monarchy you could be a bit torn |
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"Hard times
Royal accounts show the estate has made £1.1bn profit, meaning sovereign grant will rise to £132m for 2025-26
The grant which is to support the Royal
families official duties will rise from £86m in 2024-25 to £132m in 2025-26. It was £31m in 2009 and increased every year through the austerity years while public sector pay was frozen.
Is this a good use of taxpayers money to benefit such a small amount of people.
The 6th biggest economy in the world, so it is right that the King gets a rise.
No matter for starving children, high mortgages and daily food costs.
And it also shows that there can be no inequality between rich and poor."
Well there can only be one King - the divine right of Kings and all that. But otherwise there should be equality of opportunity for his subjects which is the best we can aim for. |
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