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"Ed Milliband has just approved a solar farm on 2500 acres of prime farm land. Maybe Labour's plan is to concrete over all the countryside so their traditional support base feel at home." Are you a fossil fuels advocate? | |||
"Ed Milliband has just approved a solar farm on 2500 acres of prime farm land. Maybe Labour's plan is to concrete over all the countryside so their traditional support base feel at home." Wind farm is not made of concrete. Good to see them actually prioritise anything other than fossil fuel companies profits. | |||
"Ed Milliband has just approved a solar farm on 2500 acres of prime farm land. Maybe Labour's plan is to concrete over all the countryside so their traditional support base feel at home." --------------- Presumably the owners of this "prime farm land" don't want to farm on it. | |||
"Ed Milliband has just approved a solar farm on 2500 acres of prime farm land. Maybe Labour's plan is to concrete over all the countryside so their traditional support base feel at home. Are you a fossil fuels advocate? " We need to move away from fossil fuels however there are so many other places to put solar panels without ruining productive farm land. We import too much food as it is. Brownfield land, industrial buildings, houses etc. are more suitable. | |||
"Ed Milliband has just approved a solar farm on 2500 acres of prime farm land. Maybe Labour's plan is to concrete over all the countryside so their traditional support base feel at home. Are you a fossil fuels advocate? We need to move away from fossil fuels however there are so many other places to put solar panels without ruining productive farm land. We import too much food as it is. Brownfield land, industrial buildings, houses etc. are more suitable." I agree, however maybe the farmer thought this more lucrative. | |||
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"Ed Milliband has just approved a solar farm on 2500 acres of prime farm land. Maybe Labour's plan is to concrete over all the countryside so their traditional support base feel at home. Are you a fossil fuels advocate? We need to move away from fossil fuels however there are so many other places to put solar panels without ruining productive farm land. We import too much food as it is. Brownfield land, industrial buildings, houses etc. are more suitable. I agree, however maybe the farmer thought this more lucrative. " Another Brexit benefit, loss of EU farming grants | |||
"excellent news .... 2 british companies creating thousands of jobs by investing in a desperately need infrastructure project with minimal lasting impact on the environment, located in an area central to demand without the need for massive upgrades in the grid to transport the product hundreds of miles from north to south or west to east .... this is clearly ace "Crazy that people have been so brainwashed by the green lobby that this is considered to be a good idea. It will be the first of many similar decisions that the poor quality energy secretary will make. Pandering to big businesses rather than having an integrated strategy. | |||
"Crazy that people have been so brainwashed by the green lobby that this is considered to be a good idea. It will be the first of many similar decisions that the poor quality energy secretary will make. Pandering to big businesses rather than having an integrated strategy." can you explain how this kind of inrastructure project is not integrated? I don't follow what you're saying and would appreciate it if you would ilucidate your thoughts. | |||
"Crazy that people have been so brainwashed by the green lobby that this is considered to be a good idea. It will be the first of many similar decisions that the poor quality energy secretary will make. Pandering to big businesses rather than having an integrated strategy. can you explain how this kind of inrastructure project is not integrated? I don't follow what you're saying and would appreciate it if you would ilucidate your thoughts." *elucidate | |||
"excellent news .... 2 british companies creating thousands of jobs by investing in a desperately need infrastructure project with minimal lasting impact on the environment, located in an area central to demand without the need for massive upgrades in the grid to transport the product hundreds of miles from north to south or west to east .... this is clearly ace
Crazy that people have been so brainwashed by the green lobby that this is considered to be a good idea.
"Does "brainwashed by the green lobby" mean "understands climate change"? " It will be the first of many similar decisions that the poor quality energy secretary will make. " He may be poor quality, but he's made good decisions so far. " Pandering to big businesses rather than having an integrated strategy." Yes, that's what they haven't done, it's refreshing to have a government that doesn't work for the interest of the big fossil fuels corporations. Let's see if it lasts or if they will be bought like the last government. | |||
"Crazy that people have been so brainwashed by the green lobby that this is considered to be a good idea. It will be the first of many similar decisions that the poor quality energy secretary will make. Pandering to big businesses rather than having an integrated strategy. can you explain how this kind of inrastructure project is not integrated? I don't follow what you're saying and would appreciate it if you would ilucidate your thoughts. *elucidate " Solar energy is one of the technologies that can be installed in a distributed way. There is an ambition to build 300,000 new houses a year over the next 5 years. An integrated strategy would mandate that these all had solar panels and a battery storage system fitted along with smart home control and a smart car charger with vehicle to grid capability. The current rules limit domestic solar installations to 4kw unless lots of hurdles are overcome. Due to the shape of our roof our 4kw system never generated that. Adding another 2kw of panels would be easy and would mean we get closer to 4kw for more of the day. Removing silly obstructions like this would increase uptake, as would removing VAT completely from the components. Many people are moving to electric cars. Very few (if any) have smart vehicle to grid capability via the home charger. An electric car has a big (by domestic standards) battery that could be used to store solar energy to be released to peak lop. We travel extensively in Europe. Many car parks have translucent solar panels as covers. We see very few in this country. No warehouse or similar metal shed should be allowed to be constructed without solar panels covering the entire roof. Small scale wind at individual house or street level should also be considered. Large scale solar farms should never be constructed on farm land. There are plenty of other places to use, even if they are slightly more expensive. So the integrated strategy covers planning, technology and transport. Not just saying yes to the cheapest scheme or the loudest lobby. Making such a decision after 3 days in office does not allow for proper analysis. | |||
"Crazy that people have been so brainwashed by the green lobby that this is considered to be a good idea. It will be the first of many similar decisions that the poor quality energy secretary will make. Pandering to big businesses rather than having an integrated strategy. can you explain how this kind of inrastructure project is not integrated? I don't follow what you're saying and would appreciate it if you would ilucidate your thoughts. *elucidate Solar energy is one of the technologies that can be installed in a distributed way. There is an ambition to build 300,000 new houses a year over the next 5 years. An integrated strategy would mandate that these all had solar panels and a battery storage system fitted along with smart home control and a smart car charger with vehicle to grid capability. The current rules limit domestic solar installations to 4kw unless lots of hurdles are overcome. Due to the shape of our roof our 4kw system never generated that. Adding another 2kw of panels would be easy and would mean we get closer to 4kw for more of the day. Removing silly obstructions like this would increase uptake, as would removing VAT completely from the components. Many people are moving to electric cars. Very few (if any) have smart vehicle to grid capability via the home charger. An electric car has a big (by domestic standards) battery that could be used to store solar energy to be released to peak lop. We travel extensively in Europe. Many car parks have translucent solar panels as covers. We see very few in this country. No warehouse or similar metal shed should be allowed to be constructed without solar panels covering the entire roof. Small scale wind at individual house or street level should also be considered. Large scale solar farms should never be constructed on farm land. There are plenty of other places to use, even if they are slightly more expensive. So the integrated strategy covers planning, technology and transport. Not just saying yes to the cheapest scheme or the loudest lobby. Making such a decision after 3 days in office does not allow for proper analysis." And going further, a fully integrated strategy would also include reducing the demand for energy. Making homes and buildings more energy efficient, turning down the thermostat in public buildings such as schools, colleges and community centres. Reducing the need to travel, not everyone needs to do a daily commute. etc... | |||
" There is an ambition to build 300,000 new houses a year over the next 5 years. An integrated strategy would mandate that these all had solar panels and a battery storage system fitted along with smart home control and a smart car charger with vehicle to grid capability. The current rules limit domestic solar installations to 4kw unless lots of hurdles are overcome. Due to the shape of our roof our 4kw system never generated that. Adding another 2kw of panels would be easy and would mean we get closer to 4kw for more of the day. Removing silly obstructions like this would increase uptake, as would removing VAT completely from the components." All good ideas. How do we/you know this won’t be the case? | |||
" Yes, that's what they haven't done, it's refreshing to have a government that doesn't work for the interest of the big fossil fuels corporations. Let's see if it lasts or if they will be bought like the last government. " If you think Low Carbon Ltd aren't a 'big business' then this kinda proves you know fuck all and are just using this as another opportunity to bash fossil fuel companies. | |||
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"Solar energy providing 6% of our electricity this afternoon. Obviously will drop to zero during the evening. Wind also 6% atm. Dale Vince's donations to the Labour Party are bearing fruit already "Wind is currently at 9.1%. Highlights why we need this investment. | |||
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"Is the government going to deal with how electricity is sold. I seem to recall from previous threads that apparently energy is sold on the international market meaning no matter how cheap it is to produce, it won't affect Bill's. Maybe getting muddled up but thought that was one of the problems raised" Fossil fuels yes. One of the many reasons we need to transition away from them. | |||
"Ed Milliband has just approved a solar farm on 2500 acres of prime farm land. Maybe Labour's plan is to concrete over all the countryside so their traditional support base feel at home." 46 million acres of farmland in uk 2500 acres is insignificant and if planned properly solar capture can be combined with both arable and livestock farming via agrivoltaic technologies, which protects crops from extreme weather, and can incorporate rain water harvesting. We need both food and renewable energy Plant based diets would reduce farming climate damage by 60% and reduce the total global carbon footprint by 25%  | |||
"Ed Milliband has just approved a solar farm on 2500 acres of prime farm land. Maybe Labour's plan is to concrete over all the countryside so their traditional support base feel at home. Are you a fossil fuels advocate? We need to move away from fossil fuels however there are so many other places to put solar panels without ruining productive farm land. We import too much food as it is. Brownfield land, industrial buildings, houses etc. are more suitable." I'm assuming that it's not a policy exclusively focused on solar generation from farmland though. Very large generation sites allow us to get major increases in power, potentially with the least efforts. Perhaps feed in tariffs will be resurrected, to support many householders adding solar generation to homes. I think much of the infrastructure required for installation etc, disappeared when the conservatives axed the last scheme. We have to stop our global heating pursuits and ideology that's been driving us there. Solar generation is just one of the ways that we can do this. The election showed the importance of helping to cut the cost of living. Reduced energy costs can help to do this. | |||
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"Building solar farms on arable land is not the way forward, we are just giving up on having some sort of self sufficiency. There is an idea that we could build them above car parks. The cars would still be able to park, and the solar panels would produce much electricity. There are many outdoor car parks in the UK, many hundreds of thousands of acres to spare. Leave our farmland alone." That would help, but it wouldn't be enough. Lots of carparks are shady, in urban areas. And the extra infrastructure to build a structure for the solar panels would add a lot to the cost. | |||
"Building solar farms on arable land is not the way forward, we are just giving up on having some sort of self sufficiency. There is an idea that we could build them above car parks. The cars would still be able to park, and the solar panels would produce much electricity. There are many outdoor car parks in the UK, many hundreds of thousands of acres to spare. Leave our farmland alone. That would help, but it wouldn't be enough. Lots of carparks are shady, in urban areas. And the extra infrastructure to build a structure for the solar panels would add a lot to the cost. " Miles of unused space is being wasted on the roofs of both public buildings and private business. Labour would probably love to nationalise everything, and they can’t, but could probably make everyone host public solar panels. | |||
"Building solar farms on arable land is not the way forward, we are just giving up on having some sort of self sufficiency. There is an idea that we could build them above car parks. The cars would still be able to park, and the solar panels would produce much electricity. There are many outdoor car parks in the UK, many hundreds of thousands of acres to spare. Leave our farmland alone. That would help, but it wouldn't be enough. Lots of carparks are shady, in urban areas. And the extra infrastructure to build a structure for the solar panels would add a lot to the cost. Miles of unused space is being wasted on the roofs of both public buildings and private business. Labour would probably love to nationalise everything, and they can’t, but could probably make everyone host public solar panels." Solar on roofing is a good solution and certainly helps. If they brought back a modified version of the scheme where you get some money back from the excess electricity generated from solar on residential buildings. That would be a good move. In my opinion. | |||
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"The target is 50GW of solar by 2030 with UK currently having 16GW with these 3 farms adding another 1.3GW so only another 32.7GW in a little over 5 years to go." How will 1,500,000 new homes plus infastructure impact of these targets. | |||
"Its a looney idea" Why so? | |||
"but could probably make everyone host public solar panels." can you clarify that? you mean force people to install solar panels and not get to use the electricity generated themselves? | |||
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"Solar on roofing is a good solution and certainly helps. If they brought back a modified version of the scheme where you get some money back from the excess electricity generated from solar on residential buildings. That would be a good move. In my opinion." That scheme still exists. It's called the Smart Export Guarantee. A better option would be to require all new solar installations to also include local storage. If each house had a battery bank, they could store their own power, causing less disruption to the grid. | |||
"None of the land being used has been used for food farming in quite a few years. " That's not the information I have. In summary, solar panels are generally good. Solar panels on good quality arable farmland are bad. Someone quoted some figures above which I haven't checked but indicate my assertion that this is only the start of decimating our countryside may be correct. All renewables need to be part of an integrated strategy, of which there is no sign. Crazy Ed's other decision (to immediately ban further North Sea oil exploration) leaves us with a period where we will be reliant on oil, will be sitting on our own resources but will need to import oil at whatever prices others will sell it to us. So, better start saving up now for any future dead calm freezing fog winter days. | |||
" Another Brexit benefit, loss of EU farming grants" Another Brexit benefit - loss of Eastern Europeans to pick our crops | |||
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"Ed Milliband has just approved a solar farm on 2500 acres of prime farm land. Maybe Labour's plan is to concrete over all the countryside so their traditional support base feel at home." Another 5 years of this bollocks and other shite from the party. | |||
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"Ed Milliband has just approved a solar farm on 2500 acres of prime farm land. Maybe Labour's plan is to concrete over all the countryside so their traditional support base feel at home. Another 5 years of this bollocks and other shite from the party."
Yes, we need to stop these attempts to tackle climate change and to get energy independence.
We need to focus on common sense policies that continue to release as much CO2 into the atmosphere as possible, guarantee fossil fuel company profits and keep us beholden to externally priced oil & gas. | |||
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" All renewables need to be part of an integrated strategy, of which there is no sign. " again, please explain what part of large scale solar is not integrated? | |||
" Not much in the way of verifiable information details on how much energy, or how many homes it will power. Zero details on where materials are sourced. Not much focus on who is building this and who is profitting from it being built. Still, green energy eh? Arf, arf, clap, clap, and all that." tribus energy and ps renewables | |||
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"I'm looking forward to the benefits of these green jobs being created. The sl@ve children in Central Africa having to mine the earth minerals with the aid of fossil fuels, the massive Chinese manufacturing plants creating the solar panels by using fossil fuels and shipping them back to the UK. Luckily for us that in less than ten years the whole process can start again! When these solar panels, wind turbines and lithium batteries go beyond their limited life span we can just Bury them in the soil of the countryside. It's definitely the best way of reducing atmospheric C02 from 430 parts per million to 420 parts per million. Gotta turn that global thermostat down a notch! To hell with the cost "These are good points. What’s your solution as it seems like damned if we do and damned if we don’t! | |||
"I'm looking forward to the benefits of these green jobs being created. The sl@ve children in Central Africa having to mine the earth minerals with the aid of fossil fuels, the massive Chinese manufacturing plants creating the solar panels by using fossil fuels and shipping them back to the UK. Luckily for us that in less than ten years the whole process can start again! When these solar panels, wind turbines and lithium batteries go beyond their limited life span we can just Bury them in the soil of the countryside. It's definitely the best way of reducing atmospheric C02 from 430 parts per million to 420 parts per million. Gotta turn that global thermostat down a notch! To hell with the cost "25% increase in global population by 2080 Another 2bn people Most of that from emerging economies aspiring to western living standards 50% more food needed by 2050 (UN) 25% global emissions is from farming Net zero is laughable | |||
"The target is 50GW of solar by 2030 with UK currently having 16GW with these 3 farms adding another 1.3GW so only another 32.7GW in a little over 5 years to go. How will 1,500,000 new homes plus infastructure impact of these targets. " That will depend on how building rules changed as you might be able to put 4kw system or an average of on each one adding an extra 6GW but I am guessing there will be loop holes and buildings where you can’t put that many solar panels on them. | |||
"I'm looking forward to the benefits of these green jobs being created. The sl@ve children in Central Africa having to mine the earth minerals with the aid of fossil fuels, the massive Chinese manufacturing plants creating the solar panels by using fossil fuels and shipping them back to the UK. Luckily for us that in less than ten years the whole process can start again! When these solar panels, wind turbines and lithium batteries go beyond their limited life span we can just Bury them in the soil of the countryside. It's definitely the best way of reducing atmospheric C02 from 430 parts per million to 420 parts per million. Gotta turn that global thermostat down a notch! To hell with the cost
These are good points. What’s your solution as it seems like damned if we do and damned if we don’t!"The solution is to do exactly what the green/net zero movement tell us to do! Every free space on the planet needs to have a solar panel planted on it in order to supply the necessary power needed by every single person on earth to survive. As every well informed climate activist will tell you...all you need is an infinite supply of Gallium, Cadmium telluride, indium, silicon, tellurium, aluminium, copper and silver for your average solar panel. You need an infinite supply of lithium, cobalt, manganese, nickel and graphite for your tesla (other EV manufacturers are available). Once these become unusable and buried in massive environmentally friendly ditches (5-10 years) then the supply needs to continue. The entire land mass of the earth has to contain these environmentally friendly panels, wind turbines and battery storage plants for it to supply approximately 20% of the clean/green energy required to sustain a decent standard of living. The workers in the mines will be glad of the work. A large proportion of the workforce will see their pay packets rocket from 5 quid a week to 5.50 quid a week! Pay no attention to the fact that when we stop using fossil fuels the energy created by renewable will not even come close to supplying the energy needed to mine and manufacture all the apparatus needed to give us all green energy supply. Green energy (from mine to manufacture to shipping to assembly to point of use...and providing that the sun and wind play ball) is the cleanest, most effective, lowest cost, best for worker's rights and not at all damaging to the soil/watertable/landscape/wildlife habitat....don't let your eyes and common sense fool you into thinking otherwise. We need net zero now!!! | |||
"I'm looking forward to the benefits of these green jobs being created. The sl@ve children in Central Africa having to mine the earth minerals with the aid of fossil fuels, the massive Chinese manufacturing plants creating the solar panels by using fossil fuels and shipping them back to the UK. Luckily for us that in less than ten years the whole process can start again! When these solar panels, wind turbines and lithium batteries go beyond their limited life span we can just Bury them in the soil of the countryside. It's definitely the best way of reducing atmospheric C02 from 430 parts per million to 420 parts per million. Gotta turn that global thermostat down a notch! To hell with the cost
These are good points. What’s your solution as it seems like damned if we do and damned if we don’t!
The solution is to do exactly what the green/net zero movement tell us to do!
Every free space on the planet needs to have a solar panel planted on it in order to supply the necessary power needed by every single person on earth to survive...
!"What about someone inventing a solar panel backpack and compressed battery, and we all be accountable for the energy we need  | |||
"I'm looking forward to the benefits of these green jobs being created. The sl@ve children in Central Africa having to mine the earth minerals with the aid of fossil fuels, the massive Chinese manufacturing plants creating the solar panels by using fossil fuels and shipping them back to the UK. Luckily for us that in less than ten years the whole process can start again! When these solar panels, wind turbines and lithium batteries go beyond their limited life span we can just Bury them in the soil of the countryside. It's definitely the best way of reducing atmospheric C02 from 430 parts per million to 420 parts per million. Gotta turn that global thermostat down a notch! To hell with the cost
These are good points. What’s your solution as it seems like damned if we do and damned if we don’t!
The solution is to do exactly what the green/net zero movement tell us to do!
Every free space on the planet needs to have a solar panel planted on it in order to supply the necessary power needed by every single person on earth to survive...
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What about someone inventing a solar panel backpack and compressed battery, and we all be accountable for the energy we need "You're going to have to use fossil fuels to design, mine for the necessary components, construct, distribute and dispose of....then start the process again. But at least you'll be keeping the fossil fuel companies in profit and the sl@ve children in work! More net zero humanitarianism in action | |||
"I'm looking forward to the benefits of these green jobs being created. The sl@ve children in Central Africa having to mine the earth minerals with the aid of fossil fuels, the massive Chinese manufacturing plants creating the solar panels by using fossil fuels and shipping them back to the UK. Luckily for us that in less than ten years the whole process can start again! When these solar panels, wind turbines and lithium batteries go beyond their limited life span we can just Bury them in the soil of the countryside. It's definitely the best way of reducing atmospheric C02 from 430 parts per million to 420 parts per million. Gotta turn that global thermostat down a notch! To hell with the cost
These are good points. What’s your solution as it seems like damned if we do and damned if we don’t!
The solution is to do exactly what the green/net zero movement tell us to do!
Every free space on the planet needs to have a solar panel planted on it in order to supply the necessary power needed by every single person on earth to survive...
!
What about someone inventing a solar panel backpack and compressed battery, and we all be accountable for the energy we need
You're going to have to use fossil fuels to design, mine for the necessary components, construct, distribute and dispose of....then start the process again. But at least you'll be keeping the fossil fuel companies in profit and the sl@ve children in work!
More net zero humanitarianism in action "Humour not your strong point? | |||
"I'm looking forward to the benefits of these green jobs being created. The sl@ve children in Central Africa having to mine the earth minerals with the aid of fossil fuels, the massive Chinese manufacturing plants creating the solar panels by using fossil fuels and shipping them back to the UK. Luckily for us that in less than ten years the whole process can start again! When these solar panels, wind turbines and lithium batteries go beyond their limited life span we can just Bury them in the soil of the countryside. It's definitely the best way of reducing atmospheric C02 from 430 parts per million to 420 parts per million. Gotta turn that global thermostat down a notch! To hell with the cost
These are good points. What’s your solution as it seems like damned if we do and damned if we don’t!
The solution is to do exactly what the green/net zero movement tell us to do!
Every free space on the planet needs to have a solar panel planted on it in order to supply the necessary power needed by every single person on earth to survive...
!
What about someone inventing a solar panel backpack and compressed battery, and we all be accountable for the energy we need
You're going to have to use fossil fuels to design, mine for the necessary components, construct, distribute and dispose of....then start the process again. But at least you'll be keeping the fossil fuel companies in profit and the sl@ve children in work!
More net zero humanitarianism in action
Humour not your strong point?"You find the fact that we're all in the middle of an existential climate crisis where the world and the future of personkind is in catastrophic meltdown humorous? If solutions to the limiting our 0.04% contribution to the highly dangerous 0.4% of C02 prevalent in the earth's atmosphere can't be found by 2050 then the 1.5°C rise will see the earth and the people on it gone in the next 10000 years. We need action and we needed it yesterday. If evidence were needed as to the scale of the problem you just have to grab your brolly and step outside and feel the sweltering 18°C heat! It's much warmer and drier than last July's mid 20's temperatures because of range rovers, gas boilers and ribeye steaks. You can laugh it up all you want but some of us take this very seriously. C02 needs cut to zero...to hell with plant life, greenery, countryside and wildlife. | |||
"I'm looking forward to the benefits of these green jobs being created. The sl@ve children in Central Africa having to mine the earth minerals with the aid of fossil fuels, the massive Chinese manufacturing plants creating the solar panels by using fossil fuels and shipping them back to the UK. Luckily for us that in less than ten years the whole process can start again! When these solar panels, wind turbines and lithium batteries go beyond their limited life span we can just Bury them in the soil of the countryside. It's definitely the best way of reducing atmospheric C02 from 430 parts per million to 420 parts per million. Gotta turn that global thermostat down a notch! To hell with the cost
These are good points. What’s your solution as it seems like damned if we do and damned if we don’t!
The solution is to do exactly what the green/net zero movement tell us to do!
Every free space on the planet needs to have a solar panel planted on it in order to supply the necessary power needed by every single person on earth to survive...
!
What about someone inventing a solar panel backpack and compressed battery, and we all be accountable for the energy we need
You're going to have to use fossil fuels to design, mine for the necessary components, construct, distribute and dispose of....then start the process again. But at least you'll be keeping the fossil fuel companies in profit and the sl@ve children in work!
More net zero humanitarianism in action
Humour not your strong point?
You find the fact that we're all in the middle of an existential climate crisis where the world and the future of personkind is in catastrophic meltdown humorous? If solutions to the limiting our 0.04% contribution to the highly dangerous 0.4% of C02 prevalent in the earth's atmosphere can't be found by 2050 then the 1.5°C rise will see the earth and the people on it gone in the next 10000 years. We need action and we needed it yesterday. If evidence were needed as to the scale of the problem you just have to grab your brolly and step outside and feel the sweltering 18°C heat! It's much warmer and drier than last July's mid 20's temperatures because of range rovers, gas boilers and ribeye steaks.
You can laugh it up all you want but some of us take this very seriously.
C02 needs cut to zero...to hell with plant life, greenery, countryside and wildlife. " | |||
"I'm looking forward to the benefits of these green jobs being created. The sl@ve children in Central Africa having to mine the earth minerals with the aid of fossil fuels, the massive Chinese manufacturing plants creating the solar panels by using fossil fuels and shipping them back to the UK. Luckily for us that in less than ten years the whole process can start again! When these solar panels, wind turbines and lithium batteries go beyond their limited life span we can just Bury them in the soil of the countryside. It's definitely the best way of reducing atmospheric C02 from 430 parts per million to 420 parts per million. Gotta turn that global thermostat down a notch! To hell with the cost
These are good points. What’s your solution as it seems like damned if we do and damned if we don’t!
The solution is to do exactly what the green/net zero movement tell us to do!
Every free space on the planet needs to have a solar panel planted on it in order to supply the necessary power needed by every single person on earth to survive...
!
What about someone inventing a solar panel backpack and compressed battery, and we all be accountable for the energy we need
You're going to have to use fossil fuels to design, mine for the necessary components, construct, distribute and dispose of....then start the process again. But at least you'll be keeping the fossil fuel companies in profit and the sl@ve children in work!
More net zero humanitarianism in action
Humour not your strong point?
You find the fact that we're all in the middle of an existential climate crisis where the world and the future of personkind is in catastrophic meltdown humorous? If solutions to the limiting our 0.04% contribution to the highly dangerous 0.4% of C02 prevalent in the earth's atmosphere can't be found by 2050 then the 1.5°C rise will see the earth and the people on it gone in the next 10000 years. We need action and we needed it yesterday. If evidence were needed as to the scale of the problem you just have to grab your brolly and step outside and feel the sweltering 18°C heat! It's much warmer and drier than last July's mid 20's temperatures because of range rovers, gas boilers and ribeye steaks.
You can laugh it up all you want but some of us take this very seriously.
C02 needs cut to zero...to hell with plant life, greenery, countryside and wildlife. "Am I the only one who is struggling to figure out if this is sarcasm or not? | |||
"I'm looking forward to the benefits of these green jobs being created. The sl@ve children in Central Africa having to mine the earth minerals with the aid of fossil fuels, the massive Chinese manufacturing plants creating the solar panels by using fossil fuels and shipping them back to the UK. Luckily for us that in less than ten years the whole process can start again! When these solar panels, wind turbines and lithium batteries go beyond their limited life span we can just Bury them in the soil of the countryside. It's definitely the best way of reducing atmospheric C02 from 430 parts per million to 420 parts per million. Gotta turn that global thermostat down a notch! To hell with the cost
These are good points. What’s your solution as it seems like damned if we do and damned if we don’t!
The solution is to do exactly what the green/net zero movement tell us to do!
Every free space on the planet needs to have a solar panel planted on it in order to supply the necessary power needed by every single person on earth to survive...
!
What about someone inventing a solar panel backpack and compressed battery, and we all be accountable for the energy we need
You're going to have to use fossil fuels to design, mine for the necessary components, construct, distribute and dispose of....then start the process again. But at least you'll be keeping the fossil fuel companies in profit and the sl@ve children in work!
More net zero humanitarianism in action
Humour not your strong point?
You find the fact that we're all in the middle of an existential climate crisis where the world and the future of personkind is in catastrophic meltdown humorous? If solutions to the limiting our 0.04% contribution to the highly dangerous 0.4% of C02 prevalent in the earth's atmosphere can't be found by 2050 then the 1.5°C rise will see the earth and the people on it gone in the next 10000 years. We need action and we needed it yesterday. If evidence were needed as to the scale of the problem you just have to grab your brolly and step outside and feel the sweltering 18°C heat! It's much warmer and drier than last July's mid 20's temperatures because of range rovers, gas boilers and ribeye steaks.
You can laugh it up all you want but some of us take this very seriously.
C02 needs cut to zero...to hell with plant life, greenery, countryside and wildlife.
Am I the only one who is struggling to figure out if this is sarcasm or not? "Feel free to point out anything that I have said here that is counter to the aims, agenda or reality of achieving net zero. This is the path that has been chosen by governments globally (excl. China, India, most of central and southern america, most of the middle east, Russia and many parts of far east Asia). | |||
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"I'm looking forward to the benefits of these green jobs being created. The sl@ve children in Central Africa having to mine the earth minerals with the aid of fossil fuels, the massive Chinese manufacturing plants creating the solar panels by using fossil fuels and shipping them back to the UK. Luckily for us that in less than ten years the whole process can start again! When these solar panels, wind turbines and lithium batteries go beyond their limited life span we can just Bury them in the soil of the countryside. It's definitely the best way of reducing atmospheric C02 from 430 parts per million to 420 parts per million. Gotta turn that global thermostat down a notch! To hell with the cost
These are good points. What’s your solution as it seems like damned if we do and damned if we don’t!
The solution is to do exactly what the green/net zero movement tell us to do!
Every free space on the planet needs to have a solar panel planted on it in order to supply the necessary power needed by every single person on earth to survive...
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What about someone inventing a solar panel backpack and compressed battery, and we all be accountable for the energy we need
You're going to have to use fossil fuels to design, mine for the necessary components, construct, distribute and dispose of....then start the process again. But at least you'll be keeping the fossil fuel companies in profit and the sl@ve children in work!
More net zero humanitarianism in action
Humour not your strong point?
You find the fact that we're all in the middle of an existential climate crisis where the world and the future of personkind is in catastrophic meltdown humorous? If solutions to the limiting our 0.04% contribution to the highly dangerous 0.4% of C02 prevalent in the earth's atmosphere can't be found by 2050 then the 1.5°C rise will see the earth and the people on it gone in the next 10000 years. We need action and we needed it yesterday. If evidence were needed as to the scale of the problem you just have to grab your brolly and step outside and feel the sweltering 18°C heat! It's much warmer and drier than last July's mid 20's temperatures because of range rovers, gas boilers and ribeye steaks.
You can laugh it up all you want but some of us take this very seriously.
C02 needs cut to zero...to hell with plant life, greenery, countryside and wildlife.
Am I the only one who is struggling to figure out if this is sarcasm or not?
Feel free to point out anything that I have said here that is counter to the aims, agenda or reality of achieving net zero.
This is the path that has been chosen by governments globally (excl. China, India, most of central and southern america, most of the middle east, Russia and many parts of far east Asia). "Good to know we are among the majority in our thinking and climate strategy. I also like your reasoning in your previous posts and I support doing something yesterday of the sake of tomorrow, even if tomorrow is 10000 years away. | |||
"I'm looking forward to the benefits of these green jobs being created. The sl@ve children in Central Africa having to mine the earth minerals with the aid of fossil fuels, the massive Chinese manufacturing plants creating the solar panels by using fossil fuels and shipping them back to the UK. Luckily for us that in less than ten years the whole process can start again! When these solar panels, wind turbines and lithium batteries go beyond their limited life span we can just Bury them in the soil of the countryside. It's definitely the best way of reducing atmospheric C02 from 430 parts per million to 420 parts per million. Gotta turn that global thermostat down a notch! To hell with the cost
These are good points. What’s your solution as it seems like damned if we do and damned if we don’t!
The solution is to do exactly what the green/net zero movement tell us to do!
Every free space on the planet needs to have a solar panel planted on it in order to supply the necessary power needed by every single person on earth to survive...
!
What about someone inventing a solar panel backpack and compressed battery, and we all be accountable for the energy we need
You're going to have to use fossil fuels to design, mine for the necessary components, construct, distribute and dispose of....then start the process again. But at least you'll be keeping the fossil fuel companies in profit and the sl@ve children in work!
More net zero humanitarianism in action
Humour not your strong point?
You find the fact that we're all in the middle of an existential climate crisis where the world and the future of personkind is in catastrophic meltdown humorous? If solutions to the limiting our 0.04% contribution to the highly dangerous 0.4% of C02 prevalent in the earth's atmosphere can't be found by 2050 then the 1.5°C rise will see the earth and the people on it gone in the next 10000 years. We need action and we needed it yesterday. If evidence were needed as to the scale of the problem you just have to grab your brolly and step outside and feel the sweltering 18°C heat! It's much warmer and drier than last July's mid 20's temperatures because of range rovers, gas boilers and ribeye steaks.
You can laugh it up all you want but some of us take this very seriously.
C02 needs cut to zero...to hell with plant life, greenery, countryside and wildlife.
Am I the only one who is struggling to figure out if this is sarcasm or not?
Feel free to point out anything that I have said here that is counter to the aims, agenda or reality of achieving net zero.
This is the path that has been chosen by governments globally (excl. China, India, most of central and southern america, most of the middle east, Russia and many parts of far east Asia).
Good to know we are among the majority in our thinking and climate strategy.
I also like your reasoning in your previous posts and I support doing something yesterday of the sake of tomorrow, even if tomorrow is 10000 years away.
"hmmmm 10000 yrs away ya mite be alone on that one lol | |||
" . . . doing something yesterday of the sake of tomorrow, even if tomorrow is 10000 years away. hmmmm 10000 yrs away ya mite be alone on that one lol" My husband has a watch that says it is accurate -+/4 seconds in 10 thousand years. I'm waiting to test that guarantee.   | |||
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"When Miliband talks about decarbonising the grid he's talking about replacing something that more or less works with something more expensive that will never work. The debate about wind and solar is individual sources of energy is a red herring. The entire system has to be rebuilt to accommodate them. This is not free. It is, in fact, eye-wateringly expensive. Not least the cost of new and stupidly expensive transmission lines we would otherwise not need at all. In overriding local authorities, Miliband is not motivated by the need to bring energy costs down. This is not even a consideration. It's purely an ideological belief that the existing system must be replaced, whatever the cost, because the ends, in his view, justify the means. The true cost of this transition is hidden from bill payers. Wind and solar look superficially cheap when you pile all the external costs of additional grid infrastructure on to conventional energy sources. It's a smoke and mirrors accounting trick, and Miliband is stupid and incurious enough to believe it. As such, in attacking our energy supply, he poses a greater threat to Britain's energy security and future prosperity than Putin. What makes Miliband especially dangerous is that to make the case for his fantasy "green" grid, he will actively sabotage nuclear, gas and oil. Affordability, security and stability don't come into it. He will quite happily manufacture an energy crisis while the green blob produces bogus polling that supports his case for more renewables. That input costs have risen by more than forty per cent in the last two years has not given him pause for thought. He has a limited window of opportunity and will do all he can to exploit it, even if that means abolishing any local democratic input. That renewables do not work is neither here nor there. There is a sizable and well funded renewables lobby that will spew endless propaganda to misdirect public debate, and it will be swallowed whole by a largely uncritical media. The industry has lied through its teeth for the last thirty years and mainstream journalism has let them get away with it. This is the very essence of corporate cronyism. We should also note than none of this fantasy can work without V2G, in which motorists are coerced into buying more expensive, inferior vehicles to act as a grid balancing battery reserve. Only it's not going to work because the people of Europe, and auto-manufacturers are turning their backs, and even the EU will be forced to rethink the EV mandate. As such, unless Miliband wants to subsidise the manufacture of vehicles than nobody wants, we'll be dismantling our auto-industry while importing vehicles from China. This, ultimately, is a top-down technocratic agenda, prosecuted with religious zeal, that will destroy British manufacturing, make home heating a luxury and limit our personal mobility, creating more state dependency in the process. An authoritarians' wet dream. As such, Net Zero is a full scale assault on freedoms. Not only will it not impact the climate, nobody will follow us over the Net Zero cliff. Such is pure delusion on the part of narcissistic sociopaths who believe in unlikely and intangible notions like "soft power". Both Miliband and Reeves believe this will result in a "green jobs revolution" but no economy on earth can sustain massive increases in energy costs or front-loading the economy with manpower overheads, which are essentially non-jobs of zero productive value. As such, Labour, continuing the work of the Tories, is ushering in an age of accelerated decline." | |||
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" . . . doing something yesterday of the sake of tomorrow, even if tomorrow is 10000 years away. hmmmm 10000 yrs away ya mite be alone on that one lol My husband has a watch that says it is accurate -+/4 seconds in 10 thousand years. I'm waiting to test that guarantee. "I hope you have kept the receipt | |||
" . . . doing something yesterday of the sake of tomorrow, even if tomorrow is 10000 years away. hmmmm 10000 yrs away ya mite be alone on that one lol My husband has a watch that says it is accurate -+/4 seconds in 10 thousand years. I'm waiting to test that guarantee.
I hope you have kept the receipt "Oh Yea. The one with the half-life of thermo image printed type with a half-life of precisely 1 month. | |||
"I'm looking forward to the benefits of these green jobs being created. The sl@ve children in Central Africa having to mine the earth minerals with the aid of fossil fuels, the massive Chinese manufacturing plants creating the solar panels by using fossil fuels and shipping them back to the UK. Luckily for us that in less than ten years the whole process can start again! When these solar panels, wind turbines and lithium batteries go beyond their limited life span we can just Bury them in the soil of the countryside. It's definitely the best way of reducing atmospheric C02 from 430 parts per million to 420 parts per million. Gotta turn that global thermostat down a notch! To hell with the cost
These are good points. What’s your solution as it seems like damned if we do and damned if we don’t!
The solution is to do exactly what the green/net zero movement tell us to do!
Every free space on the planet needs to have a solar panel planted on it in order to supply the necessary power needed by every single person on earth to survive...
!
What about someone inventing a solar panel backpack and compressed battery, and we all be accountable for the energy we need
You're going to have to use fossil fuels to design, mine for the necessary components, construct, distribute and dispose of....then start the process again. But at least you'll be keeping the fossil fuel companies in profit and the sl@ve children in work!
More net zero humanitarianism in action
Humour not your strong point?
You find the fact that we're all in the middle of an existential climate crisis where the world and the future of personkind is in catastrophic meltdown humorous? If solutions to the limiting our 0.04% contribution to the highly dangerous 0.4% of C02 prevalent in the earth's atmosphere can't be found by 2050 then the 1.5°C rise will see the earth and the people on it gone in the next 10000 years. We need action and we needed it yesterday. If evidence were needed as to the scale of the problem you just have to grab your brolly and step outside and feel the sweltering 18°C heat! It's much warmer and drier than last July's mid 20's temperatures because of range rovers, gas boilers and ribeye steaks.
You can laugh it up all you want but some of us take this very seriously.
C02 needs cut to zero...to hell with plant life, greenery, countryside and wildlife. "Nothing wrong with a bit of humour in these trying times. | |||
"Impoverishment today equals a more sustainable future millennium(s). If we keep going with fossil fuels then the Jetsons will be mighty pissed off with us...at least until the next ice age come and wipes everyone out in any case" Or the end of times could happen later this year. | |||
"Impoverishment today equals a more sustainable future millennium(s). If we keep going with fossil fuels then the Jetsons will be mighty pissed off with us...at least until the next ice age come and wipes everyone out in any case Or the end of times could happen later this year." Are they thinking of shutting spoons in Peterborough | |||
"Impoverishment today equals a more sustainable future millennium(s). If we keep going with fossil fuels then the Jetsons will be mighty pissed off with us...at least until the next ice age come and wipes everyone out in any case Or the end of times could happen later this year." Because of C02 emissions? | |||
"Ed Milliband has just approved a solar farm on 2500 acres of prime farm land. Maybe Labour's plan is to concrete over all the countryside so their traditional support base feel at home." Obviously a futile conversation but... 1. What makes it "prime" beyond your possible desire to not lose any farmland? 2. Naturally you'll say it's the thin end of the wedge but 2,500 acres out of... 17,000,000 utilised agricultural land (according to 2023 gov.uk stats) ...So, what's your real problem with more sustainable energy? | |||
" Am I the only one who is struggling to figure out if this is sarcasm or not?
Feel free to point out anything that I have said here that is counter to the aims, agenda or reality of achieving net zero.
This is the path that has been chosen by governments globally (excl. China, India, most of central and southern america, most of the middle east, Russia and many parts of far east Asia). "Not completely disagreeing with you tbh | |||
"Impoverishment today equals a more sustainable future millennium(s). If we keep going with fossil fuels then the Jetsons will be mighty pissed off with us...at least until the next ice age come and wipes everyone out in any case Or the end of times could happen later this year." The dinosaurs didn't die for this | |||
" Am I the only one who is struggling to figure out if this is sarcasm or not?
Feel free to point out anything that I have said here that is counter to the aims, agenda or reality of achieving net zero.
This is the path that has been chosen by governments globally (excl. China, India, most of central and southern america, most of the middle east, Russia and many parts of far east Asia).
Not completely disagreeing with you tbh"And it doesn't signify that anyone who broadly agrees with or realises what I point out is an extreme right wing, conspiracy theorist, planet hating person that gets turned on by oil companies making profits. What I point out is the reality of what net zero means to us all...except for the wealthy set that can afford to be taxed into the stone age. | |||
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"The Royal College of Physicians is fully on board with their 'Green Physician Toolkit'. Flagship recommendations for doctors to “slow the pace of climate change” include reducing prescriptions, cutting blood tests, and reducing diagnostic imaging. Whatever happened to the hippocratic oath." What ever happened to common sense, the health of the nation and a hands-on approach to health care? More hard hitting reality in the utopia of net zero. Excuse me whilst I book my next smear test to be conducted via skype | |||
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"Is the government going to deal with how electricity is sold. I seem to recall from previous threads that apparently energy is sold on the international market meaning no matter how cheap it is to produce, it won't affect Bill's. Maybe getting muddled up but thought that was one of the problems raised Fossil fuels yes. One of the many reasons we need to transition away from them. " Good to know that has been sorted. Hopefully my energy supplier will catch up. At the moment I can switch to a tariff that is apparently from green energy yet the price is no better, in some cases worse. | |||
"Impoverishment today equals a more sustainable future millennium(s). If we keep going with fossil fuels then the Jetsons will be mighty pissed off with us...at least until the next ice age come and wipes everyone out in any case Or the end of times could happen later this year. The dinosaurs didn't die for this" Best comment in the thread so far tbh | |||
