"It's gone for a decade, labour have been lent votes by people who see the common issues we all share as more pressing than leaving the union..
That could change in five years.."
a decade Atleast probably 2 |
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By *ANDA!Man 22 weeks ago
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I think this time round it's been a case of many ex Labour voters who have voted SNP in the past few years returning back to Labour JUST to end the perpetual Tory rule. My son was one. He would normally vote SNP, but a tactical Labour vote was the only way to get the Tories out. We'll see what the concensus of the country is come the next Scottish elections |
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By *atEvolutionCouple 22 weeks ago
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"Down from 45 to 8 seats! Is that the end of support for Scottish independence?"
Truly well deserved. Brought about by a dynasty of self-aggrandizing liars and illusionists, and quite possibly one or two criminals. It's not the end of support for IndyReffing but will take it back by more than 15 years I guess.
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"I think this time round it's been a case of many ex Labour voters who have voted SNP in the past few years returning back to Labour JUST to end the perpetual Tory rule. My son was one. He would normally vote SNP, but a tactical Labour vote was the only way to get the Tories out. We'll see what the concensus of the country is come the next Scottish elections"
Are you being serious? If every seat in Scotland went to the SNP it would still have got rid of the tories.
This was an anti SNP vote; to try to read it any other way is delusional. |
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"Down from 45 to 8 seats! Is that the end of support for Scottish independence?"
Definitely a blow for them but elections to the Scottish parliament are more important in regards to the independence question I would have thought. If they go down in that then yes it puts the independence question on hold for the time being at least |
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From people I've spoken to who usually vote SNP but didn't this time. The main factors were Sturgeon's stubborn support for the Self Gender ID bill. The stench of corruption with her husband.
They still support independence. Its similar to the tory voters fleeing the Conservatives. It might be temporary. |
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Could this also be the end of the mandate for Brexit too if we take the same measure? Remember Boris ran with 100% Tory party support for Brexit. It was the only policy he fought on.
I feel the Scottish voters are more worried about their costs of living, education and social provision. The SNP appear to have failed to run their country well in the Scottish voters opinion. Independence was irrelevant to them in this vote.
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"Could this also be the end of the mandate for Brexit too if we take the same measure? Remember Boris ran with 100% Tory party support for Brexit. It was the only policy he fought on.
I feel the Scottish voters are more worried about their costs of living, education and social provision. The SNP appear to have failed to run their country well in the Scottish voters opinion. Independence was irrelevant to them in this vote.
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No, not at all... rejoining the EU is not part of the labour manifesto. Maybe if the Libdems won with 400+ seats your analogy would make sense.. |
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"Could this also be the end of the mandate for Brexit too if we take the same measure? Remember Boris ran with 100% Tory party support for Brexit. It was the only policy he fought on.
I feel the Scottish voters are more worried about their costs of living, education and social provision. The SNP appear to have failed to run their country well in the Scottish voters opinion. Independence was irrelevant to them in this vote.
No, not at all... rejoining the EU is not part of the labour manifesto. Maybe if the Libdems won with 400+ seats your analogy would make sense.."
Hmmm I think not at all is perhaps trying to shut the door too hard. The Lib Dem’s have won seats in Scotland and England as well as the sitting on the fence Labour Party so if you claim the dropping of the SNP is 100% against independence then by default those who did not vote conservative must have a certain percentage of anti Brexit. Slightly blurry comment here but you get my drift I hope. |
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"Could this also be the end of the mandate for Brexit too if we take the same measure? Remember Boris ran with 100% Tory party support for Brexit. It was the only policy he fought on.
I feel the Scottish voters are more worried about their costs of living, education and social provision. The SNP appear to have failed to run their country well in the Scottish voters opinion. Independence was irrelevant to them in this vote.
No, not at all... rejoining the EU is not part of the labour manifesto. Maybe if the Libdems won with 400+ seats your analogy would make sense..
Hmmm I think not at all is perhaps trying to shut the door too hard. The Lib Dem’s have won seats in Scotland and England as well as the sitting on the fence Labour Party so if you claim the dropping of the SNP is 100% against independence then by default those who did not vote conservative must have a certain percentage of anti Brexit. Slightly blurry comment here but you get my drift I hope. "
The train has left the station.
Perhaps people should consider hoping for a better relationship with the EU?
Is there any tangible evidence of the costs if we rejoin or would this be considered as just an ideological aspiration or a flight of fancy? |
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By *atEvolutionCouple 21 weeks ago
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Nicola Sturgeon branded 'Stalin's wee sister' in angry broadside by SNP veteran
Jim Sillars unleashed his fury at the state of the SNP in an open letter to members.
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While Jim Sillars needs to get a grip on his comparative sense of history, his comments made me laugh, lots.
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/nicola-sturgeon-branded-stalins-wee-33198709
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The SNP have been the biggest blockers to the Independence movement for the last 10 years.
It has been there for the taking at times in the last decade but they never reached for it.
Independence will simply make the SNP redundant.
The dream will never die though. This simply reminds the SNP that they don't hold the monopoly on Independence and cannot take votes for granted because of it. |
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