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By *abio OP Man 10 weeks ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
There… thought we would start one.. keep them all in the one place!
Thoughts and opinions welcome!!!
So.. first question… which channel we all watching for the coverage? BBC? ITV? Channel 4? Sky? CNN?
I think I am going to go radical.. I will watch a TV for the exit polls… then go to bed and either listen to radio 5 live or LBC |
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By *otMe66Man 10 weeks ago
Terra Firma |
I will watch the crazy race to announce the first winner and retire to the west wing, to reflect on what could have been.
I will then wake in the morning, tentatively look at my mobile notifications, bleary eyed and that is how I intend to stay that way for the next 5 years. |
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By *abio OP Man 10 weeks ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"I will watch the crazy race to announce the first winner and retire to the west wing, to reflect on what could have been.
I will then wake in the morning, tentatively look at my mobile notifications, bleary eyed and that is how I intend to stay that way for the next 5 years."
It’s normally a Newcastle vs Sunderland race.. but the Newcastle constituency has been expanded and goes out to the further western reaches…( there is some local knowledge for you!! lol)
So it should be a Sunderland “win” now…… |
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By *otMe66Man 10 weeks ago
Terra Firma |
"I will watch the crazy race to announce the first winner and retire to the west wing, to reflect on what could have been.
I will then wake in the morning, tentatively look at my mobile notifications, bleary eyed and that is how I intend to stay that way for the next 5 years.
It’s normally a Newcastle vs Sunderland race.. but the Newcastle constituency has been expanded and goes out to the further western reaches…( there is some local knowledge for you!! lol)
So it should be a Sunderland “win” now……"
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I'll be watching in to the very wee hours. Being an avid news and politics junkie, it's one of my most favourite times every 4 years or so.
I used to watch my Dad on the edge of the sofa watching the football (Grandstand I think it was. Guy with a 'tache). Dad would be rocking back and forth all over the places, twitching. (He used to play himself for his regiment after the war).
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And here I am, twitching on the sofa, doing the same thing. Yes, it does excite me that much ! |
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By (user no longer on site) 10 weeks ago
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"Wow…. Exit poll
Reform getting potentially 13 seats…
SNP fallen apart…10 seats
Lib Dem.. brilliant campaign..61 seats
Projection… labour majority 170
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despite being the wrong side of reform, if they get 13 then there is a lot of pressure on them to become a proper voice in parliament (above and beyond Farage). That makes the next 5 years super interesting. |
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"Wow…. Exit poll
Reform getting potentially 13 seats…
SNP fallen apart…10 seats
Lib Dem.. brilliant campaign..61 seats
Projection… labour majority 170
despite being the wrong side of reform, if they get 13 then there is a lot of pressure on them to become a proper voice in parliament (above and beyond Farage). That makes the next 5 years super interesting. "
If the numbers in Scotland are accurate it's the end of any talk of another referendum on leaving the union for at least a decade..
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"Wow…. Exit poll
Reform getting potentially 13 seats…
SNP fallen apart…10 seats
Lib Dem.. brilliant campaign..61 seats
Projection… labour majority 170
despite being the wrong side of reform, if they get 13 then there is a lot of pressure on them to become a proper voice in parliament (above and beyond Farage). That makes the next 5 years super interesting. "
Sky News saying Reform got more votes than the Lib Dems  |
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"Wow…. Exit poll
Reform getting potentially 13 seats…
SNP fallen apart…10 seats
Lib Dem.. brilliant campaign..61 seats
Projection… labour majority 170
despite being the wrong side of reform, if they get 13 then there is a lot of pressure on them to become a proper voice in parliament (above and beyond Farage). That makes the next 5 years super interesting.
Sky News saying Reform got more votes than the Lib Dems "
That's a scary thought isn't it?
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"Wow…. Exit poll
Reform getting potentially 13 seats…
SNP fallen apart…10 seats
Lib Dem.. brilliant campaign..61 seats
Projection… labour majority 170
despite being the wrong side of reform, if they get 13 then there is a lot of pressure on them to become a proper voice in parliament (above and beyond Farage). That makes the next 5 years super interesting.
Sky News saying Reform got more votes than the Lib Dems "
FPTP favours focused policies versus broad church policies. |
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"Wow…. Exit poll
Reform getting potentially 13 seats…
SNP fallen apart…10 seats
Lib Dem.. brilliant campaign..61 seats
Projection… labour majority 170
despite being the wrong side of reform, if they get 13 then there is a lot of pressure on them to become a proper voice in parliament (above and beyond Farage). That makes the next 5 years super interesting.
Sky News saying Reform got more votes than the Lib Dems
That's a scary thought isn't it?
Mrs x"
What's scary? The fact that a party with less votes can get 5x the representation? |
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"Wow…. Exit poll
Reform getting potentially 13 seats…
SNP fallen apart…10 seats
Lib Dem.. brilliant campaign..61 seats
Projection… labour majority 170
despite being the wrong side of reform, if they get 13 then there is a lot of pressure on them to become a proper voice in parliament (above and beyond Farage). That makes the next 5 years super interesting.
Sky News saying Reform got more votes than the Lib Dems
That's a scary thought isn't it?
Mrs x
What's scary? The fact that a party with less votes can get 5x the representation?"
+1 for change ! |
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Huge Labour victory leaving no meaningful opposition which is not great but at least they can get on with their policies without delay and no excuse not to now walk the walk. Be interesting if the reform prediction comes true by tomorrow. |
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By *abio OP Man 10 weeks ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"Wow…. Exit poll
Reform getting potentially 13 seats…
SNP fallen apart…10 seats
Lib Dem.. brilliant campaign..61 seats
Projection… labour majority 170
despite being the wrong side of reform, if they get 13 then there is a lot of pressure on them to become a proper voice in parliament (above and beyond Farage). That makes the next 5 years super interesting.
Sky News saying Reform got more votes than the Lib Dems
That's a scary thought isn't it?
Mrs x
What's scary? The fact that a party with less votes can get 5x the representation?"
Actually… the Lib Dem’s are the wrong party to the firing the PR at for 2 reasons
1) Lib Dem’s have always been pro PR in some shape
2) even if let’s say.. the Lib Dem’s got 14-15% of the vote.. they would still be at around 80 seats
You could say the Lib Dem’s are still underrepresented… |
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"Huge Labour victory leaving no meaningful opposition which is not great but at least they can get on with their policies without delay and no excuse not to now walk the walk. Be interesting if the reform prediction comes true by tomorrow. "
Wasn't great in 2019 either. |
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By (user no longer on site) 10 weeks ago
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"Yep Nadine has already got her knickers in a twist a few times"
she just argued someone deserved to go to HOL because they worked hard for seven years. And kept a straight face.
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"Wow…. Exit poll
Reform getting potentially 13 seats…
SNP fallen apart…10 seats
Lib Dem.. brilliant campaign..61 seats
Projection… labour majority 170
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If exit poll has Labour at 410, surely that's a majority of 410-325 = 85?
Am I being thick? |
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"Wow…. Exit poll
Reform getting potentially 13 seats…
SNP fallen apart…10 seats
Lib Dem.. brilliant campaign..61 seats
Projection… labour majority 170
despite being the wrong side of reform, if they get 13 then there is a lot of pressure on them to become a proper voice in parliament (above and beyond Farage). That makes the next 5 years super interesting.
Sky News saying Reform got more votes than the Lib Dems
That's a scary thought isn't it?
Mrs x
What's scary? The fact that a party with less votes can get 5x the representation?
Actually… the Lib Dem’s are the wrong party to the firing the PR at for 2 reasons
1) Lib Dem’s have always been pro PR in some shape
2) even if let’s say.. the Lib Dem’s got 14-15% of the vote.. they would still be at around 80 seats
You could say the Lib Dem’s are still underrepresented…"
But didn't get it in when they had the opportunity |
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"Wow…. Exit poll
Reform getting potentially 13 seats…
SNP fallen apart…10 seats
Lib Dem.. brilliant campaign..61 seats
Projection… labour majority 170
If exit poll has Labour at 410, surely that's a majority of 410-325 = 85?
Am I being thick?"
It the majority of seats over all the other parties.
They need 325 to become the winning party |
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"Wow…. Exit poll
Reform getting potentially 13 seats…
SNP fallen apart…10 seats
Lib Dem.. brilliant campaign..61 seats
Projection… labour majority 170
If exit poll has Labour at 410, surely that's a majority of 410-325 = 85?
Am I being thick?
It the majority of seats over all the other parties.
They need 325 to become the winning party"
326
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By (user no longer on site) 10 weeks ago
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"Blyth - Labour hold, reform second.
In the two declared, the totals of reform added to conservative votes, still would not have exceeded Labour votes."
labour strongholds tho. The right vote has been split (with a bit of swing too tbf) |
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By *abio OP Man 10 weeks ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"Wow…. Exit poll
Reform getting potentially 13 seats…
SNP fallen apart…10 seats
Lib Dem.. brilliant campaign..61 seats
Projection… labour majority 170
despite being the wrong side of reform, if they get 13 then there is a lot of pressure on them to become a proper voice in parliament (above and beyond Farage). That makes the next 5 years super interesting.
Sky News saying Reform got more votes than the Lib Dems
That's a scary thought isn't it?
Mrs x
What's scary? The fact that a party with less votes can get 5x the representation?
Actually… the Lib Dem’s are the wrong party to the firing the PR at for 2 reasons
1) Lib Dem’s have always been pro PR in some shape
2) even if let’s say.. the Lib Dem’s got 14-15% of the vote.. they would still be at around 80 seats
You could say the Lib Dem’s are still underrepresented…
But didn't get it in when they had the opportunity "
They got a referendum… not the Lib Dem’s fault labour and conservative both campaigned against…. And the people of the UK voted against |
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"Wow…. Exit poll
Reform getting potentially 13 seats…
SNP fallen apart…10 seats
Lib Dem.. brilliant campaign..61 seats
Projection… labour majority 170
despite being the wrong side of reform, if they get 13 then there is a lot of pressure on them to become a proper voice in parliament (above and beyond Farage). That makes the next 5 years super interesting.
Sky News saying Reform got more votes than the Lib Dems
That's a scary thought isn't it?
Mrs x
What's scary? The fact that a party with less votes can get 5x the representation?
Actually… the Lib Dem’s are the wrong party to the firing the PR at for 2 reasons
1) Lib Dem’s have always been pro PR in some shape
2) even if let’s say.. the Lib Dem’s got 14-15% of the vote.. they would still be at around 80 seats
You could say the Lib Dem’s are still underrepresented…
But didn't get it in when they had the opportunity
They got a referendum… not the Lib Dem’s fault labour and conservative both campaigned against…. And the people of the UK voted against "
Sounds a bit like Brexit |
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Should be asleep but got into watching the results.
I'm so happy than Mr toad won his seat! Now looking forward to him crashing and being incapable to do his job and then people might see him for what he is.
Good night |
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By *abio OP Man 10 weeks ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"It may not quite be as good for reform as the exit poll suggests…
Of the “reform 13” 2 of their expected wins have been held by labour which are the 13?"
I know Hartlepool was on the list… Basildon was another….. |
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By *abio OP Man 10 weeks ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
If you want the most political wonky facts you may hear tonight…
They call the longest serving male and female members of the house the “father” and “mother” of the house!
The current father of the house… sir Peter bottomley… has just lost his seat, Worthing west
The new father of the house as it stands will be….. Jeremy corbyn!!!
The current mother of the house… Harriet Harmon is standing down…the new mother of the house will be……. Diane abbot!! |
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By *abio OP Man 10 weeks ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
This is going to send reform supporters mad…. To put how well they did into context!
Reform uk look like they have won 4 seats…
The greens look like they have won 4 seats
Pro Gaza independent MPs…. 4 seats
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"Bet you weren't for PR 20 odd years ago when it should of happened.
I was only just old enough to vote 20 years ago. I'm not 'for PR' now, I'm on the fence. "
On the fence?
Your original quote, "What's scary? The fact that a party with less votes can get 5x the representation?."
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"Bet you weren't for PR 20 odd years ago when it should of happened.
I was only just old enough to vote 20 years ago. I'm not 'for PR' now, I'm on the fence.
On the fence?
Your original quote, "What's scary? The fact that a party with less votes can get 5x the representation?."
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I don't need you to quote me, I know what I said.
The poster didn't say what was 'scary' so I was asking to clarify. You can recognise questions, can't you? |
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"Bet you weren't for PR 20 odd years ago when it should of happened.
I was only just old enough to vote 20 years ago. I'm not 'for PR' now, I'm on the fence.
On the fence?
Also, I got the date wrong the ref was 2011..how did you vote on AV?
Your original quote, "What's scary? The fact that a party with less votes can get 5x the representation?."
I don't need you to quote me, I know what I said.
The poster didn't say what was 'scary' so I was asking to clarify. You can recognise questions, can't you?"
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By *lfasoCouple 10 weeks ago
South East |
Excellent result for Starmer, albeit with fewer votes and smaller percentage share than Corbyn lost with.
The opinion polls consistently overstated Labour’s vote share.
Voter apathy perhaps, given that the victory was assured? |
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"There… thought we would start one.. keep them all in the one place!
Thoughts and opinions welcome!!!
So.. first question… which channel we all watching for the coverage? BBC? ITV? Channel 4? Sky? CNN?
I think I am going to go radical.. I will watch a TV for the exit polls… then go to bed and either listen to radio 5 live or LBC"
Up all night don’t tell me your on benefits |
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"There… thought we would start one.. keep them all in the one place!
Thoughts and opinions welcome!!!
So.. first question… which channel we all watching for the coverage? BBC? ITV? Channel 4? Sky? CNN?
I think I am going to go radical.. I will watch a TV for the exit polls… then go to bed and either listen to radio 5 live or LBC
Up all night don’t tell me your on benefits"
Rude? |
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"Bet you weren't for PR 20 odd years ago when it should of happened.
I was only just old enough to vote 20 years ago. I'm not 'for PR' now, I'm on the fence.
On the fence?
Your original quote, "What's scary? The fact that a party with less votes can get 5x the representation?."
I don't need you to quote me, I know what I said.
The poster didn't say what was 'scary' so I was asking to clarify. You can recognise questions, can't you?"
On the PR front there is an interesting chart on the bbc website. One side shows percentage of vote share and next to it percentage of seats share. As things stand the lib dems are pretty close to equal with 12% vote share and 11% seat share. Labour have 34% vote share but a whopping 65% seat share. Reform have 14% vote share but only 1% seat share. Greens have 7% vote share but only 1% seat share. Given the winning party is getting nearly twice the seats of its vote then I can't see PR being on the agenda |
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By *irldnCouple 10 weeks ago
Brighton |
"Bet you weren't for PR 20 odd years ago when it should of happened.
I was only just old enough to vote 20 years ago. I'm not 'for PR' now, I'm on the fence.
On the fence?
Your original quote, "What's scary? The fact that a party with less votes can get 5x the representation?."
I don't need you to quote me, I know what I said.
The poster didn't say what was 'scary' so I was asking to clarify. You can recognise questions, can't you?
On the PR front there is an interesting chart on the bbc website. One side shows percentage of vote share and next to it percentage of seats share. As things stand the lib dems are pretty close to equal with 12% vote share and 11% seat share. Labour have 34% vote share but a whopping 65% seat share. Reform have 14% vote share but only 1% seat share. Greens have 7% vote share but only 1% seat share. Given the winning party is getting nearly twice the seats of its vote then I can't see PR being on the agenda"
The duopoly will never allow PR. But the vote share vs seats issue shows how stupid FPTP is. Totally unrepresentative. Look at Mel Stride winning for Tories with just 81(ish) majority. That’s a tonne of people in his constituency who are not getting what they wanted. |
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"Well the Tories have been kicked out. Let’s see if Labour can improve the country or will it just be the case of same shit, different colour.
They have four years to prove themselves."
the big difference will be imigration will sore more than it is now |
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By *abio OP Man 10 weeks ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"There… thought we would start one.. keep them all in the one place!
Thoughts and opinions welcome!!!
So.. first question… which channel we all watching for the coverage? BBC? ITV? Channel 4? Sky? CNN?
I think I am going to go radical.. I will watch a TV for the exit polls… then go to bed and either listen to radio 5 live or LBC
Up all night don’t tell me your on benefits"
Nooo… taken annual leave today…. lol |
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"Well the Tories have been kicked out. Let’s see if Labour can improve the country or will it just be the case of same shit, different colour.
They have four years to prove themselves.the big difference will be imigration will sore more than it is now "
What makes you say this? |
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By *irldnCouple 10 weeks ago
Brighton |
"There… thought we would start one.. keep them all in the one place!
Thoughts and opinions welcome!!!
So.. first question… which channel we all watching for the coverage? BBC? ITV? Channel 4? Sky? CNN?
I think I am going to go radical.. I will watch a TV for the exit polls… then go to bed and either listen to radio 5 live or LBC
Up all night don’t tell me your on benefits"
Really fucking rude! |
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"Well the Tories have been kicked out. Let’s see if Labour can improve the country or will it just be the case of same shit, different colour.
They have four years to prove themselves.the big difference will be imigration will sore more than it is now
What makes you say this?"
there pro migration and have no plans to stop it pls tell me what they will do to slow migration then ? |
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"Well the Tories have been kicked out. Let’s see if Labour can improve the country or will it just be the case of same shit, different colour.
They have four years to prove themselves.the big difference will be imigration will sore more than it is now
What makes you say this?there pro migration and have no plans to stop it pls tell me what they will do to slow migration then ?"
What do you mean "pro immigration"? The current levels of immigration are set by the government. You could say the Tories are "pro immigration" because the current number has been set relatively high. |
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"There… thought we would start one.. keep them all in the one place!
Thoughts and opinions welcome!!!
So.. first question… which channel we all watching for the coverage? BBC? ITV? Channel 4? Sky? CNN?
I think I am going to go radical.. I will watch a TV for the exit polls… then go to bed and either listen to radio 5 live or LBC
Up all night don’t tell me your on benefits
Really fucking rude!"
Shhhh he’s gone back to bed |
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Well I say this yes Labour won but most the seats that they won are marginal so really that tells me they are on borrowed time for the next 5 years. Hell even their vote in London was down and London is a Labour city |
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"Glad that the Tories are out but a Labour Government terrifies me even more"
Better the devil you know but it is wat it is head down and try and get through the next 5 years under Labour.
High tax for the above average earner is my guess.. |
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"Well the Tories have been kicked out. Let’s see if Labour can improve the country or will it just be the case of same shit, different colour.
They have four years to prove themselves.the big difference will be imigration will sore more than it is now
What makes you say this?there pro migration and have no plans to stop it pls tell me what they will do to slow migration then ?
What do you mean "pro immigration"? The current levels of immigration are set by the government. You could say the Tories are "pro immigration" because the current number has been set relatively high."
exactly both party’s where pro migration I agree with you but what do you think labour will do to get it under control ?and pls don’t answer with a question |
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"Well I say this yes Labour won but most the seats that they won are marginal so really that tells me they are on borrowed time for the next 5 years. Hell even their vote in London was down and London is a Labour city"
Labour lost lots of their left wing voters.
Not sure they're on borrowed time. Does seem like a large majority in the HOC. |
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"Well the Tories have been kicked out. Let’s see if Labour can improve the country or will it just be the case of same shit, different colour.
They have four years to prove themselves.the big difference will be imigration will sore more than it is now
What makes you say this?there pro migration and have no plans to stop it pls tell me what they will do to slow migration then ?
What do you mean "pro immigration"? The current levels of immigration are set by the government. You could say the Tories are "pro immigration" because the current number has been set relatively high.exactly both party’s where pro migration I agree with you but what do you think labour will do to get it under control ?and pls don’t answer with a question "
No idea. It's not a top issue for me.
Also don't know what you mean by "under control" the numbers were set by the government because we needed immigration to fill roles and needs in the job market. It is directly under control. |
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"Glad that the Tories are out but a Labour Government terrifies me even more
Better the devil you know but it is wat it is head down and try and get through the next 5 years under Labour.
High tax for the above average earner is my guess.. "
This why I didnt want Labour to win |
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"Well the Tories have been kicked out. Let’s see if Labour can improve the country or will it just be the case of same shit, different colour.
They have four years to prove themselves.the big difference will be imigration will sore more than it is now
What makes you say this?there pro migration and have no plans to stop it pls tell me what they will do to slow migration then ?
What do you mean "pro immigration"? The current levels of immigration are set by the government. You could say the Tories are "pro immigration" because the current number has been set relatively high.exactly both party’s where pro migration I agree with you but what do you think labour will do to get it under control ?and pls don’t answer with a question
No idea. It's not a top issue for me.
Also don't know what you mean by "under control" the numbers were set by the government because we needed immigration to fill roles and needs in the job market. It is directly under control."
correct you don’t know nobody knows not even labour and the fact you think it’s directly under control is the problem with labour say no more mate lol |
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"Well the Tories have been kicked out. Let’s see if Labour can improve the country or will it just be the case of same shit, different colour.
They have four years to prove themselves.the big difference will be imigration will sore more than it is now
What makes you say this?there pro migration and have no plans to stop it pls tell me what they will do to slow migration then ?
What do you mean "pro immigration"? The current levels of immigration are set by the government. You could say the Tories are "pro immigration" because the current number has been set relatively high.exactly both party’s where pro migration I agree with you but what do you think labour will do to get it under control ?and pls don’t answer with a question
No idea. It's not a top issue for me.
Also don't know what you mean by "under control" the numbers were set by the government because we needed immigration to fill roles and needs in the job market. It is directly under control.correct you don’t know nobody knows not even labour and the fact you think it’s directly under control is the problem with labour say no more mate lol"
You're chalking this down as a win because "you don't know nobody knows" what you mean by "under control"?
Fair play to you. |
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"Well the Tories have been kicked out. Let’s see if Labour can improve the country or will it just be the case of same shit, different colour.
They have four years to prove themselves.the big difference will be imigration will sore more than it is now
What makes you say this?there pro migration and have no plans to stop it pls tell me what they will do to slow migration then ?
What do you mean "pro immigration"? The current levels of immigration are set by the government. You could say the Tories are "pro immigration" because the current number has been set relatively high.exactly both party’s where pro migration I agree with you but what do you think labour will do to get it under control ?and pls don’t answer with a question
No idea. It's not a top issue for me.
Also don't know what you mean by "under control" the numbers were set by the government because we needed immigration to fill roles and needs in the job market. It is directly under control.correct you don’t know nobody knows not even labour and the fact you think it’s directly under control is the problem with labour say no more mate lol
You're chalking this down as a win because "you don't know nobody knows" what you mean by "under control"?
Fair play to you."
fair play for answering my question mate it’s very rare even if it was a no idea answer respect |
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"Well the Tories have been kicked out. Let’s see if Labour can improve the country or will it just be the case of same shit, different colour.
They have four years to prove themselves.the big difference will be imigration will sore more than it is now
What makes you say this?there pro migration and have no plans to stop it pls tell me what they will do to slow migration then ?
What do you mean "pro immigration"? The current levels of immigration are set by the government. You could say the Tories are "pro immigration" because the current number has been set relatively high.exactly both party’s where pro migration I agree with you but what do you think labour will do to get it under control ?and pls don’t answer with a question "
I think after they scrap the Rwanda money out deflection they will concentrate on dealing with the backlog in the applications (and try to get people returned if they're not successful )which Rwanda was partly to mask plus Sunak's stop the boats mantra..
The numbers are often conflated and legal migration since 2019 has been well over 650 thousand which of course adds to the strains on public services etc but are there to fill roles in hospitality, NHS, agriculture etc..
They won't be arming anyone to shoot people in small boats ..
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Neither of which will be fixed by today's results.
Cost of living will rise under Labour.
NHS won't be fixed.
There will be lots of anti car policies and the disastrous acceleration of green policies. |
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"Lots of talk about immigration but the top two issues among voters have consistently been cost of living and the NHS.
Neither of which will be fixed by today's results.
Cost of living will rise under Labour.
NHS won't be fixed.
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Both very difficult issues to tackle. I'm skeptical, but would hope these things can be improved.
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There will be lots of anti car policies and the disastrous acceleration of green policies."
Don't worry, Labour got lots donations from the fossil fuels industry. We'll be stuck in the cycle of supporting oil and gas companies whatever the price to British people, while continuing to slack behind where we should be on renewable energy. |
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"Lots of talk about immigration but the top two issues among voters have consistently been cost of living and the NHS.
Neither of which will be fixed by today's results.
Cost of living will rise under Labour.
NHS won't be fixed.
There will be lots of anti car policies and the disastrous acceleration of green policies."
I’m interested to hear why you think these things? |
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"Lots of talk about immigration but the top two issues among voters have consistently been cost of living and the NHS.
Neither of which will be fixed by today's results.
Cost of living will rise under Labour.
NHS won't be fixed.
There will be lots of anti car policies and the disastrous acceleration of green policies."
Cost of living and NHS cannot be fixed by politicians. Immigration in a way is related to both these. Immigration increased a lot to feed NHS. But it also feeds into the cost of living crisis because it increased cost of housing. |
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"Lots of talk about immigration but the top two issues among voters have consistently been cost of living and the NHS.
Neither of which will be fixed by today's results.
Cost of living will rise under Labour.
NHS won't be fixed.
There will be lots of anti car policies and the disastrous acceleration of green policies."
Maybe not, but its clear as day the tories couldn't get it under control either shown by their 14 years of constant failures and under handed attempts to privatise it, reform didn't even bother to cost up a plan for the NHS so they stood no chance and knew it (same with their whole _anifesto though), and while the Lib Dems & Greens had good plans for the NHS they were never going to get a look in.
Would rather take a load more green policies though than stupid plans for flights to rawanda and forcing everyone to get a degree and ignoring the biggest part of our economy. |
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"Lots of talk about immigration but the top two issues among voters have consistently been cost of living and the NHS.
Neither of which will be fixed by today's results.
Cost of living will rise under Labour.
NHS won't be fixed.
There will be lots of anti car policies and the disastrous acceleration of green policies.
I’m interested to hear why you think these things?"
That's my view based on the very meagre information available.
Only mentioned a few taxes which won't rise, everything else is fair game.
NHS won't be fixed because there isn't the political will or competence (in any party) to fix it.
Anti car and green, Labour have already stated they will bring forward banning the sale of new fossil fueled vehicles to 2030 (Boris's stupid policy). They have also said Wales, with the 20mph zones and the ability to impose clean air charges anywhere, is a good example.
Really, nobody knows as Sir Slippery has refused to elaborate on policies as it would scare the voters. |
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"Lots of talk about immigration but the top two issues among voters have consistently been cost of living and the NHS.
Neither of which will be fixed by today's results.
Cost of living will rise under Labour.
NHS won't be fixed.
There will be lots of anti car policies and the disastrous acceleration of green policies.
I’m interested to hear why you think these things?
That's my view based on the very meagre information available.
Only mentioned a few taxes which won't rise, everything else is fair game.
NHS won't be fixed because there isn't the political will or competence (in any party) to fix it.
Anti car and green, Labour have already stated they will bring forward banning the sale of new fossil fueled vehicles to 2030 (Boris's stupid policy). They have also said Wales, with the 20mph zones and the ability to impose clean air charges anywhere, is a good example.
Really, nobody knows as Sir Slippery has refused to elaborate on policies as it would scare the voters."
Plenty of places have 20mph zones already, when the Tories were in charge.
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Neither of which will be fixed by today's results.
Cost of living will rise under Labour.
NHS won't be fixed.
There will be lots of anti car policies and the disastrous acceleration of green policies."
My point exactly, more 20mph roads as mentioned, more dumb unnecessary LTNs in streets that dont need them, more ULEZ zones around the country and now possibly a Pay Per mile scheme they will implement even though they denying they will. |
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"Lots of talk about immigration but the top two issues among voters have consistently been cost of living and the NHS.
Neither of which will be fixed by today's results.
Cost of living will rise under Labour.
NHS won't be fixed.
There will be lots of anti car policies and the disastrous acceleration of green policies.
Maybe not, but its clear as day the tories couldn't get it under control either shown by their 14 years of constant failures and under handed attempts to privatise it, reform didn't even bother to cost up a plan for the NHS so they stood no chance and knew it (same with their whole _anifesto though), and while the Lib Dems & Greens had good plans for the NHS they were never going to get a look in.
Would rather take a load more green policies though than stupid plans for flights to rawanda and forcing everyone to get a degree and ignoring the biggest part of our economy. "
Firc3d everyone to get a degree?  .
Sunak moaned about crap degrees. So what are you on about? |
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"Lots of talk about immigration but the top two issues among voters have consistently been cost of living and the NHS.
Neither of which will be fixed by today's results.
Cost of living will rise under Labour.
NHS won't be fixed.
There will be lots of anti car policies and the disastrous acceleration of green policies.
Maybe not, but its clear as day the tories couldn't get it under control either shown by their 14 years of constant failures and under handed attempts to privatise it, reform didn't even bother to cost up a plan for the NHS so they stood no chance and knew it (same with their whole _anifesto though), and while the Lib Dems & Greens had good plans for the NHS they were never going to get a look in.
Would rather take a load more green policies though than stupid plans for flights to rawanda and forcing everyone to get a degree and ignoring the biggest part of our economy.
Firc3d everyone to get a degree? .
Sunak moaned about crap degrees. So what are you on about?"
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"Lots of talk about immigration but the top two issues among voters have consistently been cost of living and the NHS.
Neither of which will be fixed by today's results.
Cost of living will rise under Labour.
NHS won't be fixed.
There will be lots of anti car policies and the disastrous acceleration of green policies.
Maybe not, but its clear as day the tories couldn't get it under control either shown by their 14 years of constant failures and under handed attempts to privatise it, reform didn't even bother to cost up a plan for the NHS so they stood no chance and knew it (same with their whole _anifesto though), and while the Lib Dems & Greens had good plans for the NHS they were never going to get a look in.
Would rather take a load more green policies though than stupid plans for flights to rawanda and forcing everyone to get a degree and ignoring the biggest part of our economy.
Firc3d everyone to get a degree? .
Sunak moaned about crap degrees. So what are you on about?"
So all his talk of high skill workforce, sending people in to further education and stagnating the apprenticeship schemes show more than anything he ever said about 'crap degrees'. |
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"Lots of talk about immigration but the top two issues among voters have consistently been cost of living and the NHS.
Neither of which will be fixed by today's results.
Cost of living will rise under Labour.
NHS won't be fixed.
There will be lots of anti car policies and the disastrous acceleration of green policies. My point exactly, more 20mph roads as mentioned, more dumb unnecessary LTNs in streets that dont need them, more ULEZ zones around the country and now possibly a Pay Per mile scheme they will implement even though they denying they will. "
More green policies - good
More LTN - good
More ULEZ - good
Pay per mile scheme? Don’t know about that one. But if so, good. The transport network needs it.
Everyone wants better roads but complains about having to pay for it.
Hopefully HS2 can be over hauled and restarted also. |
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"Lots of talk about immigration but the top two issues among voters have consistently been cost of living and the NHS.
Neither of which will be fixed by today's results.
Cost of living will rise under Labour.
NHS won't be fixed.
There will be lots of anti car policies and the disastrous acceleration of green policies.
Maybe not, but its clear as day the tories couldn't get it under control either shown by their 14 years of constant failures and under handed attempts to privatise it, reform didn't even bother to cost up a plan for the NHS so they stood no chance and knew it (same with their whole _anifesto though), and while the Lib Dems & Greens had good plans for the NHS they were never going to get a look in.
Would rather take a load more green policies though than stupid plans for flights to rawanda and forcing everyone to get a degree and ignoring the biggest part of our economy.
Firc3d everyone to get a degree? .
Sunak moaned about crap degrees. So what are you on about?
So all his talk of high skill workforce, sending people in to further education and stagnating the apprenticeship schemes show more than anything he ever said about 'crap degrees'. "
Exactly that, all talk, and now a moot point.
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"Lots of talk about immigration but the top two issues among voters have consistently been cost of living and the NHS.
Neither of which will be fixed by today's results.
Cost of living will rise under Labour.
NHS won't be fixed.
There will be lots of anti car policies and the disastrous acceleration of green policies. My point exactly, more 20mph roads as mentioned, more dumb unnecessary LTNs in streets that dont need them, more ULEZ zones around the country and now possibly a Pay Per mile scheme they will implement even though they denying they will.
More green policies - good
More LTN - good
More ULEZ - good
Pay per mile scheme? Don’t know about that one. But if so, good. The transport network needs it.
Everyone wants better roads but complains about having to pay for it.
Hopefully HS2 can be over hauled and restarted also. "
Ok so you're happy to pay for these schemes which is kool if you can afford to but most people in the country are broke |
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"Lots of talk about immigration but the top two issues among voters have consistently been cost of living and the NHS.
Neither of which will be fixed by today's results.
Cost of living will rise under Labour.
NHS won't be fixed.
There will be lots of anti car policies and the disastrous acceleration of green policies. My point exactly, more 20mph roads as mentioned, more dumb unnecessary LTNs in streets that dont need them, more ULEZ zones around the country and now possibly a Pay Per mile scheme they will implement even though they denying they will.
More green policies - good
More LTN - good
More ULEZ - good
Pay per mile scheme? Don’t know about that one. But if so, good. The transport network needs it.
Everyone wants better roads but complains about having to pay for it.
Hopefully HS2 can be over hauled and restarted also. Ok so you're happy to pay for these schemes which is kool if you can afford to but most people in the country are broke"
It’ll cost a lot more in the long term if things aren’t sorted now. |
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"Lots of talk about immigration but the top two issues among voters have consistently been cost of living and the NHS.
Neither of which will be fixed by today's results.
Cost of living will rise under Labour.
NHS won't be fixed.
There will be lots of anti car policies and the disastrous acceleration of green policies.
I’m interested to hear why you think these things?
That's my view based on the very meagre information available.
Only mentioned a few taxes which won't rise, everything else is fair game.
NHS won't be fixed because there isn't the political will or competence (in any party) to fix it.
Anti car and green, Labour have already stated they will bring forward banning the sale of new fossil fueled vehicles to 2030 (Boris's stupid policy). They have also said Wales, with the 20mph zones and the ability to impose clean air charges anywhere, is a good example.
Really, nobody knows as Sir Slippery has refused to elaborate on policies as it would scare the voters.
Plenty of places have 20mph zones already, when the Tories were in charge.
Less people dying on the roads isn't the worst thing to ever happen. "
There is a difference between 20mph where justified (on purely residential roads and for short distances outside schools or right in the town centre) and miles of 20mph on main through routes. Wales is dire to drive through now.
If it was 20 in purely residential, 30 on main through routes, 40 single track, 50 single carriageway and 60 on dual carriageway and motorway I wouldn't object. That would improve casualty figures and reduce emissions without really affecting journey time. |
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"Lots of talk about immigration but the top two issues among voters have consistently been cost of living and the NHS.
Neither of which will be fixed by today's results.
Cost of living will rise under Labour.
NHS won't be fixed.
There will be lots of anti car policies and the disastrous acceleration of green policies. My point exactly, more 20mph roads as mentioned, more dumb unnecessary LTNs in streets that dont need them, more ULEZ zones around the country and now possibly a Pay Per mile scheme they will implement even though they denying they will.
More green policies - good
More LTN - good
More ULEZ - good
Pay per mile scheme? Don’t know about that one. But if so, good. The transport network needs it.
Everyone wants better roads but complains about having to pay for it.
Hopefully HS2 can be over hauled and restarted also. "
LTN maybe but they need to be very carefully designed. Ideally as part of an integrated transport policy which would allow different forms of personal transport. E.g. the "sans permis" quadricycles they have in France.
ULEZ, as above. They also have to be fair. We objected to the Manchester one as we have a small (ULEZ compliant) car and a Euro 5 motorhome. The motorhome would have been charged every time we moved it off the driveway, adding £20 to each weekend away. The couple down the road who run an old diesel car every day and tow a big caravan with it would never be charged even though they were emitting much more pollution.
Green policies, again depends on the details. All the _anifesto items would cost us but we wouldn't benefit.
HS2, why would anyone want that white elephant vanity project? It was poor at the original price, terrible at the latest estimate. |
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"Lots of talk about immigration but the top two issues among voters have consistently been cost of living and the NHS.
Neither of which will be fixed by today's results.
Cost of living will rise under Labour.
NHS won't be fixed.
There will be lots of anti car policies and the disastrous acceleration of green policies. My point exactly, more 20mph roads as mentioned, more dumb unnecessary LTNs in streets that dont need them, more ULEZ zones around the country and now possibly a Pay Per mile scheme they will implement even though they denying they will.
More green policies - good
More LTN - good
More ULEZ - good
Pay per mile scheme? Don’t know about that one. But if so, good. The transport network needs it.
Everyone wants better roads but complains about having to pay for it.
Hopefully HS2 can be over hauled and restarted also.
LTN maybe but they need to be very carefully designed. Ideally as part of an integrated transport policy which would allow different forms of personal transport. E.g. the "sans permis" quadricycles they have in France.
ULEZ, as above. They also have to be fair. We objected to the Manchester one as we have a small (ULEZ compliant) car and a Euro 5 motorhome. The motorhome would have been charged every time we moved it off the driveway, adding £20 to each weekend away. The couple down the road who run an old diesel car every day and tow a big caravan with it would never be charged even though they were emitting much more pollution.
Green policies, again depends on the details. All the _anifesto items would cost us but we wouldn't benefit.
HS2, why would anyone want that white elephant vanity project? It was poor at the original price, terrible at the latest estimate."
That why I said HS2 should be overhauled and restarted. I ancient rail network needs supercharging and HS2 will do that. But the organisation and financing has been huge ahit show. They should have followed the Eurozone model of public/private partnership for infrastructure projects. If we had stayed in the EU we could have got capital grants towards it as well. |
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"Lots of talk about immigration but the top two issues among voters have consistently been cost of living and the NHS.
Neither of which will be fixed by today's results.
Cost of living will rise under Labour.
NHS won't be fixed.
There will be lots of anti car policies and the disastrous acceleration of green policies. My point exactly, more 20mph roads as mentioned, more dumb unnecessary LTNs in streets that dont need them, more ULEZ zones around the country and now possibly a Pay Per mile scheme they will implement even though they denying they will.
More green policies - good
More LTN - good
More ULEZ - good
Pay per mile scheme? Don’t know about that one. But if so, good. The transport network needs it.
Everyone wants better roads but complains about having to pay for it.
Hopefully HS2 can be over hauled and restarted also.
LTN maybe but they need to be very carefully designed. Ideally as part of an integrated transport policy which would allow different forms of personal transport. E.g. the "sans permis" quadricycles they have in France.
ULEZ, as above. They also have to be fair. We objected to the Manchester one as we have a small (ULEZ compliant) car and a Euro 5 motorhome. The motorhome would have been charged every time we moved it off the driveway, adding £20 to each weekend away. The couple down the road who run an old diesel car every day and tow a big caravan with it would never be charged even though they were emitting much more pollution.
Green policies, again depends on the details. All the _anifesto items would cost us but we wouldn't benefit.
HS2, why would anyone want that white elephant vanity project? It was poor at the original price, terrible at the latest estimate.
That why I said HS2 should be overhauled and restarted. I ancient rail network needs supercharging and HS2 will do that. But the organisation and financing has been huge ahit show. They should have followed the Eurozone model of public/private partnership for infrastructure projects. If we had stayed in the EU we could have got capital grants towards it as well. "
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"Lots of talk about immigration but the top two issues among voters have consistently been cost of living and the NHS.
Neither of which will be fixed by today's results.
Cost of living will rise under Labour.
NHS won't be fixed.
There will be lots of anti car policies and the disastrous acceleration of green policies. My point exactly, more 20mph roads as mentioned, more dumb unnecessary LTNs in streets that dont need them, more ULEZ zones around the country and now possibly a Pay Per mile scheme they will implement even though they denying they will.
More green policies - good
More LTN - good
More ULEZ - good
Pay per mile scheme? Don’t know about that one. But if so, good. The transport network needs it.
Everyone wants better roads but complains about having to pay for it.
Hopefully HS2 can be over hauled and restarted also.
LTN maybe but they need to be very carefully designed. Ideally as part of an integrated transport policy which would allow different forms of personal transport. E.g. the "sans permis" quadricycles they have in France.
ULEZ, as above. They also have to be fair. We objected to the Manchester one as we have a small (ULEZ compliant) car and a Euro 5 motorhome. The motorhome would have been charged every time we moved it off the driveway, adding £20 to each weekend away. The couple down the road who run an old diesel car every day and tow a big caravan with it would never be charged even though they were emitting much more pollution.
Green policies, again depends on the details. All the _anifesto items would cost us but we wouldn't benefit.
HS2, why would anyone want that white elephant vanity project? It was poor at the original price, terrible at the latest estimate.
That why I said HS2 should be overhauled and restarted. I ancient rail network needs supercharging and HS2 will do that. But the organisation and financing has been huge ahit show. They should have followed the Eurozone model of public/private partnership for infrastructure projects. If we had stayed in the EU we could have got capital grants towards it as well.
Like the NHS pfi that continues to be a millstone, cost 80 bn for 13 bn of assets."
Yep. More government mismanagement and cronism. As is said, should have followed the Eurozone model. Italian rail modernisation program, Hungarian and Bulgarian road expansion programs etc. All on time and on budget with EU assistance and financial oversight. |
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"Lots of talk about immigration but the top two issues among voters have consistently been cost of living and the NHS.
Neither of which will be fixed by today's results.
Cost of living will rise under Labour.
NHS won't be fixed.
There will be lots of anti car policies and the disastrous acceleration of green policies. My point exactly, more 20mph roads as mentioned, more dumb unnecessary LTNs in streets that dont need them, more ULEZ zones around the country and now possibly a Pay Per mile scheme they will implement even though they denying they will.
More green policies - good
More LTN - good
More ULEZ - good
Pay per mile scheme? Don’t know about that one. But if so, good. The transport network needs it.
Everyone wants better roads but complains about having to pay for it.
Hopefully HS2 can be over hauled and restarted also.
LTN maybe but they need to be very carefully designed. Ideally as part of an integrated transport policy which would allow different forms of personal transport. E.g. the "sans permis" quadricycles they have in France.
ULEZ, as above. They also have to be fair. We objected to the Manchester one as we have a small (ULEZ compliant) car and a Euro 5 motorhome. The motorhome would have been charged every time we moved it off the driveway, adding £20 to each weekend away. The couple down the road who run an old diesel car every day and tow a big caravan with it would never be charged even though they were emitting much more pollution.
Green policies, again depends on the details. All the _anifesto items would cost us but we wouldn't benefit.
HS2, why would anyone want that white elephant vanity project? It was poor at the original price, terrible at the latest estimate.
That why I said HS2 should be overhauled and restarted. I ancient rail network needs supercharging and HS2 will do that. But the organisation and financing has been huge ahit show. They should have followed the Eurozone model of public/private partnership for infrastructure projects. If we had stayed in the EU we could have got capital grants towards it as well.
Like the NHS pfi that continues to be a millstone, cost 80 bn for 13 bn of assets.
Yep. More government mismanagement and cronism. As is said, should have followed the Eurozone model. Italian rail modernisation program, Hungarian and Bulgarian road expansion programs etc. All on time and on budget with EU assistance and financial oversight."
Labour scheme wasn't it? |
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"Lots of talk about immigration but the top two issues among voters have consistently been cost of living and the NHS.
Neither of which will be fixed by today's results.
Cost of living will rise under Labour.
NHS won't be fixed.
There will be lots of anti car policies and the disastrous acceleration of green policies. My point exactly, more 20mph roads as mentioned, more dumb unnecessary LTNs in streets that dont need them, more ULEZ zones around the country and now possibly a Pay Per mile scheme they will implement even though they denying they will.
More green policies - good
More LTN - good
More ULEZ - good
Pay per mile scheme? Don’t know about that one. But if so, good. The transport network needs it.
Everyone wants better roads but complains about having to pay for it.
Hopefully HS2 can be over hauled and restarted also.
LTN maybe but they need to be very carefully designed. Ideally as part of an integrated transport policy which would allow different forms of personal transport. E.g. the "sans permis" quadricycles they have in France.
ULEZ, as above. They also have to be fair. We objected to the Manchester one as we have a small (ULEZ compliant) car and a Euro 5 motorhome. The motorhome would have been charged every time we moved it off the driveway, adding £20 to each weekend away. The couple down the road who run an old diesel car every day and tow a big caravan with it would never be charged even though they were emitting much more pollution.
Green policies, again depends on the details. All the _anifesto items would cost us but we wouldn't benefit.
HS2, why would anyone want that white elephant vanity project? It was poor at the original price, terrible at the latest estimate.
That why I said HS2 should be overhauled and restarted. I ancient rail network needs supercharging and HS2 will do that. But the organisation and financing has been huge ahit show. They should have followed the Eurozone model of public/private partnership for infrastructure projects. If we had stayed in the EU we could have got capital grants towards it as well.
Like the NHS pfi that continues to be a millstone, cost 80 bn for 13 bn of assets.
Yep. More government mismanagement and cronism. As is said, should have followed the Eurozone model. Italian rail modernisation program, Hungarian and Bulgarian road expansion programs etc. All on time and on budget with EU assistance and financial oversight.
Labour scheme wasn't it?"
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"Must have missed it earlier but looks like Reform have picked up a fifth seat after a recount.
There were two undeclared results for hours. Probably one of them."
Yes… the finally got declared the winner of Basildon south after a 2nd full recount…..
The last seat not to declare was Inverness and Ross-shire, and that has been won by the Lib Dem from the SNP after a 3rd full recount…. Which takes them up to 72 seats in total |
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"Must have missed it earlier but looks like Reform have picked up a fifth seat after a recount.
There were two undeclared results for hours. Probably one of them.
Yes… the finally got declared the winner of Basildon south after a 2nd full recount…..
The last seat not to declare was Inverness and Ross-shire, and that has been won by the Lib Dem from the SNP after a 3rd full recount…. Which takes them up to 72 seats in total "
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