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"Apart from the ones who are polling second obviously.
Nigel attempted to take part but was not allowed. Nanny state not allowing us to see all sides of the argument as usual."
I think we can predict what he's saying with a pretty strong level of certainty.
1. Ranting about foreigners.
2. Looking confused/outraged when his bullshit is called out.
3. More ranting about foreigners. |
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“” Rishi Sunak has indicated that young people might face restrictions on access to finance or driving licences if they refuse to do national service, as he faced a TV quizzing from voters.
Asked during a BBC Question Time special what sanctions people could face for declining to take part in the Conservative policy of compulsory national service for all 18-year-olds, the prime minister pointed to “driving licences, or the access to finance, all sorts of other things”” |
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"Apart from the ones who are polling second obviously.
Nigel attempted to take part but was not allowed. Nanny state not allowing us to see all sides of the argument as usual."
I thought I heard them say he's on the next one |
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"Apart from the ones who are polling second obviously.
Nigel attempted to take part but was not allowed. Nanny state not allowing us to see all sides of the argument as usual."
BBC bias. Poll indicates Reform ahead of LibDem so he should have been there. |
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"Apart from the ones who are polling second obviously.
Nigel attempted to take part but was not allowed. Nanny state not allowing us to see all sides of the argument as usual.
I think we can predict what he's saying with a pretty strong level of certainty.
1. Ranting about foreigners.
2. Looking confused/outraged when his bullshit is called out.
3. More ranting about foreigners."
Representative of 37% of public mood
Interesting to see results in a fortnight
https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/uk-public-opinion-toward-immigration-overall-attitudes-and-level-of-concern/ |
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By *oo hotCouple 23 weeks ago
North West |
"Apart from the ones who are polling second obviously.
Nigel attempted to take part but was not allowed. Nanny state not allowing us to see all sides of the argument as usual.
BBC bias. Poll indicates Reform ahead of LibDem so he should have been there. "
Perhaps the majority of normal thinking people just wanted to hear about real politics as opposed the usual anti-foreigner, anti-immigrant, anti EU, Pied Piper fantasies that Farage normally talks about.
It is just so alarming and testament to how low our education standards have fallen that some people still want to hear the populist nonsense that Farage gobs off about.
It was said about UKiP and it was said about the Brexit Party - but really it is all about Garage. He just shouts simple politics in the direction of simple people. |
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By *abioMan 23 weeks ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"One way to make something more popular is to ban it. This snub of Farage might ironically win him more support. "
Or maybe the fact her is doing it next week and reform people haven’t taken the bother to find out shows maybe the kind of support that follows him….
You know… angry for no reason…. Everyone is out to get him, oh let’s make him a martyr!! Ect ect….. |
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"One way to make something more popular is to ban it. This snub of Farage might ironically win him more support. "
One way to increase viewership of something 'taboo' is to keep it off the air. Frankie goes to Hollywood with two tribes, the spy catcher book and sex pistols with God save the queen in 1977 only served to increase popularity. That's the problem with censorship and cancel culture.....if the person in question is so wrong about something then let them be wrong and take down his or her argument with reasoned dialogue. Let them make idiots of themselves and beat them with logic and reason.
Keeping idiots like farage off the stage doesn't help. Allow all party leaders to be questioned in the same way. |
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It is just so alarming and testament to how low our education standards have fallen that some people still want to hear the populist nonsense that Farage gobs off about.
It was said about UKiP and it was said about the Brexit Party - but really it is all about Garage. He just shouts simple politics in the direction of simple people."
That's one way of looking at it.
What do the Labour and Conservative parties say that will resonate with "simple people"? Labour didn't say much of anything, and Conservatives seem to be bleating about security and tinkering around with NI.
A populist understands grievance and hate and plays into that. Where the populist left taps into politics of envy, the populist right taps into xenophobia. And parties ignore this anger and resentment at their peril, because SOMEONE will mop up these votes.
A British plumber competing with a much cheaper one from overseas will be just as angry as an employee being exploited by a fat cat boss. Both harbour resentment that can be tapped into by the right or left respectively. |
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"Apart from the ones who are polling second obviously.
Nigel attempted to take part but was not allowed. Nanny state not allowing us to see all sides of the argument as usual.
BBC bias. Poll indicates Reform ahead of LibDem so he should have been there. "
He is ahead in polls but probably they look at those with plenty of seats as they are currently representing their people. Apparently there is another one next week but don't think it's quite the same hence why he wanted to be on last night. I have not watched it yet so hope it's better than the one I did see where Labour, conservatives, plaid and snp just shouting blaming everyone except themselves. |
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"Apart from the ones who are polling second obviously.
Nigel attempted to take part but was not allowed. Nanny state not allowing us to see all sides of the argument as usual.
I think we can predict what he's saying with a pretty strong level of certainty.
1. Ranting about foreigners.
2. Looking confused/outraged when his bullshit is called out.
3. More ranting about foreigners.
Representative of 37% of public mood
Interesting to see results in a fortnight
https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/uk-public-opinion-toward-immigration-overall-attitudes-and-level-of-concern/"
What an absolute national embarrassment. |
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"Apart from the ones who are polling second obviously.
Nigel attempted to take part but was not allowed. Nanny state not allowing us to see all sides of the argument as usual."
There will be other QT leaders specials  |
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By *otMe66Man 23 weeks ago
Terra Firma |
"Apart from the ones who are polling second obviously.
Nigel attempted to take part but was not allowed. Nanny state not allowing us to see all sides of the argument as usual.
I think we can predict what he's saying with a pretty strong level of certainty.
1. Ranting about foreigners.
2. Looking confused/outraged when his bullshit is called out.
3. More ranting about foreigners.
Representative of 37% of public mood
Interesting to see results in a fortnight
https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/uk-public-opinion-toward-immigration-overall-attitudes-and-level-of-concern/
What an absolute national embarrassment."
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"Apart from the ones who are polling second obviously.
Nigel attempted to take part but was not allowed. Nanny state not allowing us to see all sides of the argument as usual.
BBC bias. Poll indicates Reform ahead of LibDem so he should have been there.
Perhaps the majority of normal thinking people just wanted to hear about real politics as opposed the usual anti-foreigner, anti-immigrant, anti EU, Pied Piper fantasies that Farage normally talks about.
It is just so alarming and testament to how low our education standards have fallen that some people still want to hear the populist nonsense that Farage gobs off about.
It was said about UKiP and it was said about the Brexit Party - but really it is all about Garage. He just shouts simple politics in the direction of simple people."
“People who have a different opinion to me are stupid” opines low-IQ random on the internet.
The argument is won! Farage is doomed! |
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By *abioMan 23 weeks ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
Actually thinking about it overnight I don’t see why the farage people are so angry
You basically get 30 minutes in prime time 7 days before the election with none of your major competitors present! |
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"Apart from the ones who are polling second obviously.
Nigel attempted to take part but was not allowed. Nanny state not allowing us to see all sides of the argument as usual.
I think we can predict what he's saying with a pretty strong level of certainty.
1. Ranting about foreigners.
2. Looking confused/outraged when his bullshit is called out.
3. More ranting about foreigners."
we can predict what there all saying it’s in there manifesto so why no Nigel polling second it’s called shutting out bbc for ya eh |
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"Actually thinking about it overnight I don’t see why the farage people are so angry
You basically get 30 minutes in prime time 7 days before the election with none of your major competitors present!"
no way Fabio do you think it’s fair to not have him on |
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By *abioMan 23 weeks ago
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"Actually thinking about it overnight I don’t see why the farage people are so angry
You basically get 30 minutes in prime time 7 days before the election with none of your major competitors present! no way Fabio do you think it’s fair to not have him on "
Compared to the others last night?
It’s only him and the greens next week… if you think the aim is to take votes off the conservatives, you get 30 minutes to rip the tories to bits uninterrupted and with no rights of reply
Unless the audience last night are as hostile and Fiona Bruce is at her most annoying interruption worst like last night! |
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"Actually thinking about it overnight I don’t see why the farage people are so angry
You basically get 30 minutes in prime time 7 days before the election with none of your major competitors present! no way Fabio do you think it’s fair to not have him on "
All you people are moaning about nothing. Yesterday's broadcast was not leaders going head to head! They were individually presented to the audience for approx 30 minutes of questions.
The other leaders will get their chance. There's no way anyone would have wanted 4 hours solid of this. |
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"Actually thinking about it overnight I don’t see why the farage people are so angry
You basically get 30 minutes in prime time 7 days before the election with none of your major competitors present! no way Fabio do you think it’s fair to not have him on
Compared to the others last night?
It’s only him and the greens next week… if you think the aim is to take votes off the conservatives, you get 30 minutes to rip the tories to bits uninterrupted and with no rights of reply
Unless the audience last night are as hostile and Fiona Bruce is at her most annoying interruption worst like last night!"
She was good Fabio  |
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"Actually thinking about it overnight I don’t see why the farage people are so angry
You basically get 30 minutes in prime time 7 days before the election with none of your major competitors present! no way Fabio do you think it’s fair to not have him on
All you people are moaning about nothing. Yesterday's broadcast was not leaders going head to head! They were individually presented to the audience for approx 30 minutes of questions.
The other leaders will get their chance. There's no way anyone would have wanted 4 hours solid of this."
The last thing mediocrities like Starmer and Sunak would want would be to appear on the same stage as Farage.
Reform would be on 25% within days if that happened. |
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"Apart from the ones who are polling second obviously.
Nigel attempted to take part but was not allowed. Nanny state not allowing us to see all sides of the argument as usual.
BBC bias. Poll indicates Reform ahead of LibDem so he should have been there.
Perhaps the majority of normal thinking people just wanted to hear about real politics as opposed the usual anti-foreigner, anti-immigrant, anti EU, Pied Piper fantasies that Farage normally talks about.
It is just so alarming and testament to how low our education standards have fallen that some people still want to hear the populist nonsense that Farage gobs off about.
It was said about UKiP and it was said about the Brexit Party - but really it is all about Garage. He just shouts simple politics in the direction of simple people.
“People who have a different opinion to me are stupid” opines low-IQ random on the internet.
The argument is won! Farage is doomed! "
I don't think it's to do with Farage expressing an opinion that differed from the person you replied to. He expressed opinions that differ from reality, his over simplistic solutions to complex problems crumble under the slightest scrutiny. Nothing to do with agreeing or disagreeing. That's just how it is. |
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"Apart from the ones who are polling second obviously.
Nigel attempted to take part but was not allowed. Nanny state not allowing us to see all sides of the argument as usual.
BBC bias. Poll indicates Reform ahead of LibDem so he should have been there.
Perhaps the majority of normal thinking people just wanted to hear about real politics as opposed the usual anti-foreigner, anti-immigrant, anti EU, Pied Piper fantasies that Farage normally talks about.
It is just so alarming and testament to how low our education standards have fallen that some people still want to hear the populist nonsense that Farage gobs off about.
It was said about UKiP and it was said about the Brexit Party - but really it is all about Garage. He just shouts simple politics in the direction of simple people.
“People who have a different opinion to me are stupid” opines low-IQ random on the internet.
The argument is won! Farage is doomed!
I don't think it's to do with Farage expressing an opinion that differed from the person you replied to. He expressed opinions that differ from reality, his over simplistic solutions to complex problems crumble under the slightest scrutiny. Nothing to do with agreeing or disagreeing. That's just how it is."
He has some interesting views on Andrew Tate, not sure they'll be shared by the majority.. |
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"Apart from the ones who are polling second obviously.
Nigel attempted to take part but was not allowed. Nanny state not allowing us to see all sides of the argument as usual.
BBC bias. Poll indicates Reform ahead of LibDem so he should have been there.
Perhaps the majority of normal thinking people just wanted to hear about real politics as opposed the usual anti-foreigner, anti-immigrant, anti EU, Pied Piper fantasies that Farage normally talks about.
It is just so alarming and testament to how low our education standards have fallen that some people still want to hear the populist nonsense that Farage gobs off about.
It was said about UKiP and it was said about the Brexit Party - but really it is all about Garage. He just shouts simple politics in the direction of simple people.
“People who have a different opinion to me are stupid” opines low-IQ random on the internet.
The argument is won! Farage is doomed!
I don't think it's to do with Farage expressing an opinion that differed from the person you replied to. He expressed opinions that differ from reality, his over simplistic solutions to complex problems crumble under the slightest scrutiny. Nothing to do with agreeing or disagreeing. That's just how it is.
He has some interesting views on Andrew Tate, not sure they'll be shared by the majority.."
Does he? What are those views? |
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"Apart from the ones who are polling second obviously.
Nigel attempted to take part but was not allowed. Nanny state not allowing us to see all sides of the argument as usual.
BBC bias. Poll indicates Reform ahead of LibDem so he should have been there.
Perhaps the majority of normal thinking people just wanted to hear about real politics as opposed the usual anti-foreigner, anti-immigrant, anti EU, Pied Piper fantasies that Farage normally talks about.
It is just so alarming and testament to how low our education standards have fallen that some people still want to hear the populist nonsense that Farage gobs off about.
It was said about UKiP and it was said about the Brexit Party - but really it is all about Garage. He just shouts simple politics in the direction of simple people.
“People who have a different opinion to me are stupid” opines low-IQ random on the internet.
The argument is won! Farage is doomed!
I don't think it's to do with Farage expressing an opinion that differed from the person you replied to. He expressed opinions that differ from reality, his over simplistic solutions to complex problems crumble under the slightest scrutiny. Nothing to do with agreeing or disagreeing. That's just how it is.
He has some interesting views on Andrew Tate, not sure they'll be shared by the majority..
Does he? What are those views? "
They're freely available, pretty sure you will find them..
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"Actually thinking about it overnight I don’t see why the farage people are so angry
You basically get 30 minutes in prime time 7 days before the election with none of your major competitors present! no way Fabio do you think it’s fair to not have him on
Compared to the others last night?
It’s only him and the greens next week… if you think the aim is to take votes off the conservatives, you get 30 minutes to rip the tories to bits uninterrupted and with no rights of reply
Unless the audience last night are as hostile and Fiona Bruce is at her most annoying interruption worst like last night!"
his party is polling second it’s bbc bias nothing to do with him pledging to scrap the license fees then eh |
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"Apart from the ones who are polling second obviously.
Nigel attempted to take part but was not allowed. Nanny state not allowing us to see all sides of the argument as usual.
BBC bias. Poll indicates Reform ahead of LibDem so he should have been there.
Perhaps the majority of normal thinking people just wanted to hear about real politics as opposed the usual anti-foreigner, anti-immigrant, anti EU, Pied Piper fantasies that Farage normally talks about.
It is just so alarming and testament to how low our education standards have fallen that some people still want to hear the populist nonsense that Farage gobs off about.
It was said about UKiP and it was said about the Brexit Party - but really it is all about Garage. He just shouts simple politics in the direction of simple people.
“People who have a different opinion to me are stupid” opines low-IQ random on the internet.
The argument is won! Farage is doomed!
I don't think it's to do with Farage expressing an opinion that differed from the person you replied to. He expressed opinions that differ from reality, his over simplistic solutions to complex problems crumble under the slightest scrutiny. Nothing to do with agreeing or disagreeing. That's just how it is.
He has some interesting views on Andrew Tate, not sure they'll be shared by the majority..
Does he? What are those views?
They're freely available, pretty sure you will find them..
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Is this about Farage saying that Tate is an “important voice for men” but has said some “pretty horrible things”?
Seems pretty fair. Lots of young men seem to be interested in Tate, that’s a statement of fact.
I’m not sure what “horrible things” Tate has said. It doesn’t interest me particularly. Maybe Farage is being unfair on Tate there.
I’d never heard of Tate before the media and the Romanian police brought him to everyone’s attention. They’ve probably done Tate a big favour in increasing his global visibility. |
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By *abioMan 23 weeks ago
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"Actually thinking about it overnight I don’t see why the farage people are so angry
You basically get 30 minutes in prime time 7 days before the election with none of your major competitors present! no way Fabio do you think it’s fair to not have him on
Compared to the others last night?
It’s only him and the greens next week… if you think the aim is to take votes off the conservatives, you get 30 minutes to rip the tories to bits uninterrupted and with no rights of reply
Unless the audience last night are as hostile and Fiona Bruce is at her most annoying interruption worst like last night!his party is polling second it’s bbc bias nothing to do with him pledging to scrap the license fees then eh "
Actually reform have polled 2nd in entirely 1 poll in this entire election campaign so far
It’s got nothing to do with them pledging to scrap the license fee.. it has everything to do with election broadcasting impartiality laws where if a party does reach a certain level of potential mps they don’t get on the national broadcast
The four parties on last night are the 4 projected to get the most MPs… whether you like it or not
The greens and reform will get one next week, plaid will also get one going out in Wales! |
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"Actually thinking about it overnight I don’t see why the farage people are so angry
You basically get 30 minutes in prime time 7 days before the election with none of your major competitors present! no way Fabio do you think it’s fair to not have him on
All you people are moaning about nothing. Yesterday's broadcast was not leaders going head to head! They were individually presented to the audience for approx 30 minutes of questions.
The other leaders will get their chance. There's no way anyone would have wanted 4 hours solid of this."
3.5 hours. I counted Lib dem twice  .
Oh and the crap about bbc bias and/or sharing a stage is still ongoing
Boring! Zzzzzz |
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"Actually thinking about it overnight I don’t see why the farage people are so angry
You basically get 30 minutes in prime time 7 days before the election with none of your major competitors present! no way Fabio do you think it’s fair to not have him on
Compared to the others last night?
It’s only him and the greens next week… if you think the aim is to take votes off the conservatives, you get 30 minutes to rip the tories to bits uninterrupted and with no rights of reply
Unless the audience last night are as hostile and Fiona Bruce is at her most annoying interruption worst like last night!his party is polling second it’s bbc bias nothing to do with him pledging to scrap the license fees then eh
Actually reform have polled 2nd in entirely 1 poll in this entire election campaign so far
It’s got nothing to do with them pledging to scrap the license fee.. it has everything to do with election broadcasting impartiality laws where if a party does reach a certain level of potential mps they don’t get on the national broadcast
The four parties on last night are the 4 projected to get the most MPs… whether you like it or not
The greens and reform will get one next week, plaid will also get one going out in Wales! "
I take your predictions with a pinch of salt they have been way off the last few years mate lol |
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"Actually thinking about it overnight I don’t see why the farage people are so angry
You basically get 30 minutes in prime time 7 days before the election with none of your major competitors present! no way Fabio do you think it’s fair to not have him on
Compared to the others last night?
It’s only him and the greens next week… if you think the aim is to take votes off the conservatives, you get 30 minutes to rip the tories to bits uninterrupted and with no rights of reply
Unless the audience last night are as hostile and Fiona Bruce is at her most annoying interruption worst like last night!his party is polling second it’s bbc bias nothing to do with him pledging to scrap the license fees then eh
Actually reform have polled 2nd in entirely 1 poll in this entire election campaign so far
It’s got nothing to do with them pledging to scrap the license fee.. it has everything to do with election broadcasting impartiality laws where if a party does reach a certain level of potential mps they don’t get on the national broadcast
The four parties on last night are the 4 projected to get the most MPs… whether you like it or not
The greens and reform will get one next week, plaid will also get one going out in Wales! "
Apparently 4 polls have Reform in second place.... |
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"Actually thinking about it overnight I don’t see why the farage people are so angry
You basically get 30 minutes in prime time 7 days before the election with none of your major competitors present! no way Fabio do you think it’s fair to not have him on
Compared to the others last night?
It’s only him and the greens next week… if you think the aim is to take votes off the conservatives, you get 30 minutes to rip the tories to bits uninterrupted and with no rights of reply
Unless the audience last night are as hostile and Fiona Bruce is at her most annoying interruption worst like last night!his party is polling second it’s bbc bias nothing to do with him pledging to scrap the license fees then eh
Actually reform have polled 2nd in entirely 1 poll in this entire election campaign so far
It’s got nothing to do with them pledging to scrap the license fee.. it has everything to do with election broadcasting impartiality laws where if a party does reach a certain level of potential mps they don’t get on the national broadcast
The four parties on last night are the 4 projected to get the most MPs… whether you like it or not
The greens and reform will get one next week, plaid will also get one going out in Wales! I take your predictions with a pinch of salt they have been way off the last few years mate lol"
He's on about QT! |
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"Cooper piss poor on immigration
Like starmer she doesn’t answer the question. "
The Tory stated sunak has improved our relationship with France.... hmmmm not so sure when you consider the 80th anniversary of Normandy landings. Huge snub leaving early. |
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"Cooper piss poor on immigration
Like starmer she doesn’t answer the question.
The Tory stated sunak has improved our relationship with France.... hmmmm not so sure when you consider the 80th anniversary of Normandy landings. Huge snub leaving early."
Sunaks Rwanda scheme would take 431 years to deport the current 215,600 home office asylum
applications.
Starmer will be binning the scheme a week tomorrow, writing off £400m of taxpayers money. |
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"Fiona has outed three Green candidates who have either expressed pro Hamas or anti-semite views, in the last few weeks.
Fluffed a response."
And highlighted Reform candidates talking derogatory about small boats people, and blacks.
Farage: I want nothing to do with them. |
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"So this morning farage said the racist slur was just “pub chat”….. now he is claiming the bloke is a plant!
Wish they would get their story straight! "
Which racist slur was he referring to? There's so many it's impossible to keep track. |
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"So this morning farage said the racist slur was just “pub chat”….. now he is claiming the bloke is a plant!
Wish they would get their story straight!
Which racist slur was he referring to? There's so many it's impossible to keep track."
Has farage made any? |
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"So this morning farage said the racist slur was just “pub chat”….. now he is claiming the bloke is a plant!
Wish they would get their story straight!
Which racist slur was he referring to? There's so many it's impossible to keep track.
Has farage made any?"
Yes plenty. If your next question is "prove it", just Google and you'll find plenty. |
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Reform is gaining traction
Likely to get more votes than Libdems and greens combined and hot on Tory tails. What does that say for the electorate.
If as predicted Labour fuck up on immigration we will be seeing alot more of Farage.
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"Reform is gaining traction
Likely to get more votes than Libdems and greens combined and hot on Tory tails. What does that say for the electorate.
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Mailable, easily distracted, conditioned to believe simple headlines, conditioned to distrust "experts" and instead believe snake oil salesmen.
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If as predicted Labour fuck up on immigration we will be seeing alot more of Farage.
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What do you mean by Labour fucking up on immigration? |
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"Reform is gaining traction
Likely to get more votes than Libdems and greens combined and hot on Tory tails. What does that say for the electorate.
Mailable, easily distracted, conditioned to believe simple headlines, conditioned to distrust "experts" and instead believe snake oil salesmen.
If as predicted Labour fuck up on immigration we will be seeing alot more of Farage.
What do you mean by Labour fucking up on immigration?"
Conditioned by who?
How come you are immune while so many fall prey to this “conditioning”?
Is it because you have been stockpiling tinfoil for years? |
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By (user no longer on site) 22 weeks ago
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I always love how quickly Farage moves.
He's inherited a start up party. Who he's a shareholder of.
The candidates were inherited before his watch.
But he also paid (and he always uses I) 150k big ones to do the vetting.
Unfortunately the vetting cinhe selected were part of the establishment.
But despite now being the leader he has no idea why they are still standing for reform. Even though he wouldn't have anything to do with them.
And he destroyed BNP. By taking their voters. (But not their members.) But deffo not a racist party.
I don't like the way he does policitics. But he does it so well!
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"Reform is gaining traction
Likely to get more votes than Libdems and greens combined and hot on Tory tails. What does that say for the electorate.
If as predicted Labour fuck up on immigration we will be seeing alot more of Farage.
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despite higher vote percentage, most polls have libs far ahead in seats. FPTP for you ! |
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"Reform is gaining traction
Likely to get more votes than Libdems and greens combined and hot on Tory tails. What does that say for the electorate.
Mailable, easily distracted, conditioned to believe simple headlines, conditioned to distrust "experts" and instead believe snake oil salesmen.
If as predicted Labour fuck up on immigration we will be seeing alot more of Farage.
What do you mean by Labour fucking up on immigration?"
I'd have thought it was obvious what the 'Labour fucking up' statement means. In having to ask, you exemplify why Reform are gaining traction. Everybody is quick to bash Farage (justifiably sometimes) but then have cloth ears over the underlying reasons. That deafness is driving the right wing here and elsewhere. |
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"Reform is gaining traction
Likely to get more votes than Libdems and greens combined and hot on Tory tails. What does that say for the electorate.
Mailable, easily distracted, conditioned to believe simple headlines, conditioned to distrust "experts" and instead believe snake oil salesmen.
If as predicted Labour fuck up on immigration we will be seeing alot more of Farage.
What do you mean by Labour fucking up on immigration?
I'd have thought it was obvious what the 'Labour fucking up' statement means. In having to ask, you exemplify why Reform are gaining traction. Everybody is quick to bash Farage (justifiably sometimes) but then have cloth ears over the underlying reasons. That deafness is driving the right wing here and elsewhere. "
I'm it's a for question. Are we talking legal, illegal,boat people, or all asylum seekers ?
What does good immigration look like here that is unfucked up? |
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"Reform is gaining traction
Likely to get more votes than Libdems and greens combined and hot on Tory tails. What does that say for the electorate.
Mailable, easily distracted, conditioned to believe simple headlines, conditioned to distrust "experts" and instead believe snake oil salesmen.
If as predicted Labour fuck up on immigration we will be seeing alot more of Farage.
What do you mean by Labour fucking up on immigration?
I'd have thought it was obvious what the 'Labour fucking up' statement means. In having to ask, you exemplify why Reform are gaining traction. Everybody is quick to bash Farage (justifiably sometimes) but then have cloth ears over the underlying reasons. That deafness is driving the right wing here and elsewhere. I'm it's a for question. Are we talking legal, illegal,boat people, or all asylum seekers ?
What does good immigration look like here that is unfucked up?"
Under Labour the type of immigration will be irrelevant. There will just be more taxpayers’ money spent on people who can help them through and do the paperwork. |
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"Reform will also end student loans and the usury interest rates charged
500,000 new enrolments every year will be better off and not burdened with debt. "
What are they going to do when students start learning what science is? |
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"Reform is gaining traction
Likely to get more votes than Libdems and greens combined and hot on Tory tails. What does that say for the electorate.
Mailable, easily distracted, conditioned to believe simple headlines, conditioned to distrust "experts" and instead believe snake oil salesmen.
If as predicted Labour fuck up on immigration we will be seeing alot more of Farage.
What do you mean by Labour fucking up on immigration?
I'd have thought it was obvious what the 'Labour fucking up' statement means. In having to ask, you exemplify why Reform are gaining traction. Everybody is quick to bash Farage (justifiably sometimes) but then have cloth ears over the underlying reasons. That deafness is driving the right wing here and elsewhere. I'm it's a for question. Are we talking legal, illegal,boat people, or all asylum seekers ?
What does good immigration look like here that is unfucked up?
Under Labour the type of immigration will be irrelevant. There will just be more taxpayers’ money spent on people who can help them through and do the paperwork."
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"Reform is gaining traction
Likely to get more votes than Libdems and greens combined and hot on Tory tails. What does that say for the electorate.
Mailable, easily distracted, conditioned to believe simple headlines, conditioned to distrust "experts" and instead believe snake oil salesmen.
If as predicted Labour fuck up on immigration we will be seeing alot more of Farage.
What do you mean by Labour fucking up on immigration?
I'd have thought it was obvious what the 'Labour fucking up' statement means. In having to ask, you exemplify why Reform are gaining traction. Everybody is quick to bash Farage (justifiably sometimes) but then have cloth ears over the underlying reasons. That deafness is driving the right wing here and elsewhere. "
Not sure you can genuinely blame me for people voting for that bunch of nut jobs.
But I am interested in what people mean.
Right wing parties go through the same cycle. The last 14 years is a good example.
Step 1. Pump anti-immigrant rhetoric through the media.
Step 2. Government blame immigrants for all its failures.
Step 3. Government spunks millions on pointless schemes that do nothing (ie Rwanda).
Step 4. Go to step 1.
They have absolutely zero motivation to do anything about illegal immigration because it takes away their biggest vote winner. |
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"Reform is gaining traction
Likely to get more votes than Libdems and greens combined and hot on Tory tails. What does that say for the electorate.
Mailable, easily distracted, conditioned to believe simple headlines, conditioned to distrust "experts" and instead believe snake oil salesmen.
If as predicted Labour fuck up on immigration we will be seeing alot more of Farage.
What do you mean by Labour fucking up on immigration?
I'd have thought it was obvious what the 'Labour fucking up' statement means. In having to ask, you exemplify why Reform are gaining traction. Everybody is quick to bash Farage (justifiably sometimes) but then have cloth ears over the underlying reasons. That deafness is driving the right wing here and elsewhere.
Not sure you can genuinely blame me for people voting for that bunch of nut jobs.
But I am interested in what people mean.
Right wing parties go through the same cycle. The last 14 years is a good example.
Step 1. Pump anti-immigrant rhetoric through the media.
Step 2. Government blame immigrants for all its failures.
Step 3. Government spunks millions on pointless schemes that do nothing (ie Rwanda).
Step 4. Go to step 1.
They have absolutely zero motivation to do anything about illegal immigration because it takes away their biggest vote winner. "
Can’t disagree
United Nations says another 1.2bn migrants will enter Europe by 2060/70
We’ve seen nothing yet. EU have recently agreed dispersal changes for more migrant integration among member states. |
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"Reform is gaining traction
Likely to get more votes than Libdems and greens combined and hot on Tory tails. What does that say for the electorate.
Mailable, easily distracted, conditioned to believe simple headlines, conditioned to distrust "experts" and instead believe snake oil salesmen.
If as predicted Labour fuck up on immigration we will be seeing alot more of Farage.
What do you mean by Labour fucking up on immigration?
I'd have thought it was obvious what the 'Labour fucking up' statement means. In having to ask, you exemplify why Reform are gaining traction. Everybody is quick to bash Farage (justifiably sometimes) but then have cloth ears over the underlying reasons. That deafness is driving the right wing here and elsewhere.
Not sure you can genuinely blame me for people voting for that bunch of nut jobs.
But I am interested in what people mean.
Right wing parties go through the same cycle. The last 14 years is a good example.
Step 1. Pump anti-immigrant rhetoric through the media.
Step 2. Government blame immigrants for all its failures.
Step 3. Government spunks millions on pointless schemes that do nothing (ie Rwanda).
Step 4. Go to step 1.
They have absolutely zero motivation to do anything about illegal immigration because it takes away their biggest vote winner. "
Not blaming you, but rather the perverse practice generally of blaming the messenger rather than facing the real issues. Yes, right-wing parties pop their heads up on a cycle. But it's a cycle driven by disaffection by a large number of people. Ignoring those concerns effectively is the recipe for right wing extremism. |
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"Reform is gaining traction
Likely to get more votes than Libdems and greens combined and hot on Tory tails. What does that say for the electorate.
Mailable, easily distracted, conditioned to believe simple headlines, conditioned to distrust "experts" and instead believe snake oil salesmen.
If as predicted Labour fuck up on immigration we will be seeing alot more of Farage.
What do you mean by Labour fucking up on immigration?
I'd have thought it was obvious what the 'Labour fucking up' statement means. In having to ask, you exemplify why Reform are gaining traction. Everybody is quick to bash Farage (justifiably sometimes) but then have cloth ears over the underlying reasons. That deafness is driving the right wing here and elsewhere.
Not sure you can genuinely blame me for people voting for that bunch of nut jobs.
But I am interested in what people mean.
Right wing parties go through the same cycle. The last 14 years is a good example.
Step 1. Pump anti-immigrant rhetoric through the media.
Step 2. Government blame immigrants for all its failures.
Step 3. Government spunks millions on pointless schemes that do nothing (ie Rwanda).
Step 4. Go to step 1.
They have absolutely zero motivation to do anything about illegal immigration because it takes away their biggest vote winner.
Not blaming you, but rather the perverse practice generally of blaming the messenger rather than facing the real issues. Yes, right-wing parties pop their heads up on a cycle. But it's a cycle driven by disaffection by a large number of people. Ignoring those concerns effectively is the recipe for right wing extremism. "
The concerns are created by the media and the government. Not reality.
But anyway, what about the question about Labour "fucking up on immigration". Can you elaborate? |
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"Reform is gaining traction
Likely to get more votes than Libdems and greens combined and hot on Tory tails. What does that say for the electorate.
Mailable, easily distracted, conditioned to believe simple headlines, conditioned to distrust "experts" and instead believe snake oil salesmen.
If as predicted Labour fuck up on immigration we will be seeing alot more of Farage.
What do you mean by Labour fucking up on immigration?
I'd have thought it was obvious what the 'Labour fucking up' statement means. In having to ask, you exemplify why Reform are gaining traction. Everybody is quick to bash Farage (justifiably sometimes) but then have cloth ears over the underlying reasons. That deafness is driving the right wing here and elsewhere.
Not sure you can genuinely blame me for people voting for that bunch of nut jobs.
But I am interested in what people mean.
Right wing parties go through the same cycle. The last 14 years is a good example.
Step 1. Pump anti-immigrant rhetoric through the media.
Step 2. Government blame immigrants for all its failures.
Step 3. Government spunks millions on pointless schemes that do nothing (ie Rwanda).
Step 4. Go to step 1.
They have absolutely zero motivation to do anything about illegal immigration because it takes away their biggest vote winner.
Not blaming you, but rather the perverse practice generally of blaming the messenger rather than facing the real issues. Yes, right-wing parties pop their heads up on a cycle. But it's a cycle driven by disaffection by a large number of people. Ignoring those concerns effectively is the recipe for right wing extremism.
The concerns are created by the media and the government. Not reality.
But anyway, what about the question about Labour "fucking up on immigration". Can you elaborate?"
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"Reform is gaining traction
Likely to get more votes than Libdems and greens combined and hot on Tory tails. What does that say for the electorate.
Mailable, easily distracted, conditioned to believe simple headlines, conditioned to distrust "experts" and instead believe snake oil salesmen.
If as predicted Labour fuck up on immigration we will be seeing alot more of Farage.
What do you mean by Labour fucking up on immigration?
I'd have thought it was obvious what the 'Labour fucking up' statement means. In having to ask, you exemplify why Reform are gaining traction. Everybody is quick to bash Farage (justifiably sometimes) but then have cloth ears over the underlying reasons. That deafness is driving the right wing here and elsewhere.
Not sure you can genuinely blame me for people voting for that bunch of nut jobs.
But I am interested in what people mean.
Right wing parties go through the same cycle. The last 14 years is a good example.
Step 1. Pump anti-immigrant rhetoric through the media.
Step 2. Government blame immigrants for all its failures.
Step 3. Government spunks millions on pointless schemes that do nothing (ie Rwanda).
Step 4. Go to step 1.
They have absolutely zero motivation to do anything about illegal immigration because it takes away their biggest vote winner.
Not blaming you, but rather the perverse practice generally of blaming the messenger rather than facing the real issues. Yes, right-wing parties pop their heads up on a cycle. But it's a cycle driven by disaffection by a large number of people. Ignoring those concerns effectively is the recipe for right wing extremism.
The concerns are created by the media and the government. Not reality.
But anyway, what about the question about Labour "fucking up on immigration". Can you elaborate?
Surely they cannot fuck up what is already fucked?"
Well I don't know. That's why I'm asking. We have legal immigration at the current levels because of government policy, and illegal immigration is left as is because it's a vote winner for right wing parties like Tories, Reform. So I'm not sure what people are worried about with Labour. |
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"Reform is gaining traction
Likely to get more votes than Libdems and greens combined and hot on Tory tails. What does that say for the electorate.
Mailable, easily distracted, conditioned to believe simple headlines, conditioned to distrust "experts" and instead believe snake oil salesmen.
If as predicted Labour fuck up on immigration we will be seeing alot more of Farage.
What do you mean by Labour fucking up on immigration?
I'd have thought it was obvious what the 'Labour fucking up' statement means. In having to ask, you exemplify why Reform are gaining traction. Everybody is quick to bash Farage (justifiably sometimes) but then have cloth ears over the underlying reasons. That deafness is driving the right wing here and elsewhere. I'm it's a for question. Are we talking legal, illegal,boat people, or all asylum seekers ?
What does good immigration look like here that is unfucked up?
Under Labour the type of immigration will be irrelevant. There will just be more taxpayers’ money spent on people who can help them through and do the paperwork."
That's a possibility though very risky as its bound to be scrutinised and any changes like that reported widely. For the small boat arrivals they are apparently going to shut do the criminal gangs that arrange the crossings, though I am yet to hear exactly how. For legal migrants I'm not sure if they plan to keep the points system and minimum salary requirements or go back to flooding the country |
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"Reform is gaining traction
Likely to get more votes than Libdems and greens combined and hot on Tory tails. What does that say for the electorate.
Mailable, easily distracted, conditioned to believe simple headlines, conditioned to distrust "experts" and instead believe snake oil salesmen.
If as predicted Labour fuck up on immigration we will be seeing alot more of Farage.
What do you mean by Labour fucking up on immigration?
I'd have thought it was obvious what the 'Labour fucking up' statement means. In having to ask, you exemplify why Reform are gaining traction. Everybody is quick to bash Farage (justifiably sometimes) but then have cloth ears over the underlying reasons. That deafness is driving the right wing here and elsewhere. I'm it's a for question. Are we talking legal, illegal,boat people, or all asylum seekers ?
What does good immigration look like here that is unfucked up?
Under Labour the type of immigration will be irrelevant. There will just be more taxpayers’ money spent on people who can help them through and do the paperwork.
That's a possibility though very risky as its bound to be scrutinised and any changes like that reported widely. For the small boat arrivals they are apparently going to shut do the criminal gangs that arrange the crossings, though I am yet to hear exactly how. For legal migrants I'm not sure if they plan to keep the points system and minimum salary requirements or go back to flooding the country "
"We will reform the points-based immigration system so that it is fair and properly managed, with appropriate restrictions on visas, and by linking immigration and skills policy. Labour will not tolerate employers or recruitment agencies abusing the visa system. And we will not stand for breaches of employment law. Employers who flout the rules will be barred from hiring workers from abroad."
Which is a probably as lacking in details than freeze-non essential immigration (without defining what essential means).
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"Reform is gaining traction
Likely to get more votes than Libdems and greens combined and hot on Tory tails. What does that say for the electorate.
Mailable, easily distracted, conditioned to believe simple headlines, conditioned to distrust "experts" and instead believe snake oil salesmen.
If as predicted Labour fuck up on immigration we will be seeing alot more of Farage.
What do you mean by Labour fucking up on immigration?
I'd have thought it was obvious what the 'Labour fucking up' statement means. In having to ask, you exemplify why Reform are gaining traction. Everybody is quick to bash Farage (justifiably sometimes) but then have cloth ears over the underlying reasons. That deafness is driving the right wing here and elsewhere. I'm it's a for question. Are we talking legal, illegal,boat people, or all asylum seekers ?
What does good immigration look like here that is unfucked up?
Under Labour the type of immigration will be irrelevant. There will just be more taxpayers’ money spent on people who can help them through and do the paperwork.
That's a possibility though very risky as its bound to be scrutinised and any changes like that reported widely. For the small boat arrivals they are apparently going to shut do the criminal gangs that arrange the crossings, though I am yet to hear exactly how. For legal migrants I'm not sure if they plan to keep the points system and minimum salary requirements or go back to flooding the country "We will reform the points-based immigration system so that it is fair and properly managed, with appropriate restrictions on visas, and by linking immigration and skills policy. Labour will not tolerate employers or recruitment agencies abusing the visa system. And we will not stand for breaches of employment law. Employers who flout the rules will be barred from hiring workers from abroad."
Which is a probably as lacking in details than freeze-non essential immigration (without defining what essential means).
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Lacking in detail seems very popular. I guess in case they get scrutinised and found that their plans are useless. Bit like saying they will smash the people smuggler gangs as if saying will make it happen |
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"Reform is gaining traction
Likely to get more votes than Libdems and greens combined and hot on Tory tails. What does that say for the electorate.
Mailable, easily distracted, conditioned to believe simple headlines, conditioned to distrust "experts" and instead believe snake oil salesmen.
If as predicted Labour fuck up on immigration we will be seeing alot more of Farage.
What do you mean by Labour fucking up on immigration?
I'd have thought it was obvious what the 'Labour fucking up' statement means. In having to ask, you exemplify why Reform are gaining traction. Everybody is quick to bash Farage (justifiably sometimes) but then have cloth ears over the underlying reasons. That deafness is driving the right wing here and elsewhere. I'm it's a for question. Are we talking legal, illegal,boat people, or all asylum seekers ?
What does good immigration look like here that is unfucked up?
Under Labour the type of immigration will be irrelevant. There will just be more taxpayers’ money spent on people who can help them through and do the paperwork.
That's a possibility though very risky as its bound to be scrutinised and any changes like that reported widely. For the small boat arrivals they are apparently going to shut do the criminal gangs that arrange the crossings, though I am yet to hear exactly how. For legal migrants I'm not sure if they plan to keep the points system and minimum salary requirements or go back to flooding the country "We will reform the points-based immigration system so that it is fair and properly managed, with appropriate restrictions on visas, and by linking immigration and skills policy. Labour will not tolerate employers or recruitment agencies abusing the visa system. And we will not stand for breaches of employment law. Employers who flout the rules will be barred from hiring workers from abroad."
Which is a probably as lacking in details than freeze-non essential immigration (without defining what essential means).
Lacking in detail seems very popular. I guess in case they get scrutinised and found that their plans are useless. Bit like saying they will smash the people smuggler gangs as if saying will make it happen"
Lacking in details? I reckon they've learned from the lying twat tories - overpromusing and lying angers people. |
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"Reform is gaining traction
Likely to get more votes than Libdems and greens combined and hot on Tory tails. What does that say for the electorate.
Mailable, easily distracted, conditioned to believe simple headlines, conditioned to distrust "experts" and instead believe snake oil salesmen.
If as predicted Labour fuck up on immigration we will be seeing alot more of Farage.
What do you mean by Labour fucking up on immigration?
I'd have thought it was obvious what the 'Labour fucking up' statement means. In having to ask, you exemplify why Reform are gaining traction. Everybody is quick to bash Farage (justifiably sometimes) but then have cloth ears over the underlying reasons. That deafness is driving the right wing here and elsewhere. I'm it's a for question. Are we talking legal, illegal,boat people, or all asylum seekers ?
What does good immigration look like here that is unfucked up?
Under Labour the type of immigration will be irrelevant. There will just be more taxpayers’ money spent on people who can help them through and do the paperwork.
That's a possibility though very risky as its bound to be scrutinised and any changes like that reported widely. For the small boat arrivals they are apparently going to shut do the criminal gangs that arrange the crossings, though I am yet to hear exactly how. For legal migrants I'm not sure if they plan to keep the points system and minimum salary requirements or go back to flooding the country "We will reform the points-based immigration system so that it is fair and properly managed, with appropriate restrictions on visas, and by linking immigration and skills policy. Labour will not tolerate employers or recruitment agencies abusing the visa system. And we will not stand for breaches of employment law. Employers who flout the rules will be barred from hiring workers from abroad."
Which is a probably as lacking in details than freeze-non essential immigration (without defining what essential means).
Lacking in detail seems very popular. I guess in case they get scrutinised and found that their plans are useless. Bit like saying they will smash the people smuggler gangs as if saying will make it happen
Lacking in details? I reckon they've learned from the lying twat tories - overpromusing and lying angers people."
I very much hope they don't take any lessons from the Tories, especially the current bunch. I just want to hear their details of how they will achieve what they say they want to. |
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The Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) prosecuted 405 defendants on trafficking charges in 2022, a decrease from 466 defendants prosecuted in 2021. Courts convicted 282 traffickers in 2022, a decrease from 332 convictions in 2021 but an increase on previous years with the exception of 2021 (compared with 191 in 2018; 251 in 2019; and 197 in 2020). (Cps figs)
Hard to know what to believe and what correlation of trafficker numbers to boats
Sunak says they are prosecuting more yet the home office asylum application list was:
*27,000 in 2018
*132,000 in 2022
Fell in 2023 apparently, but is now 215,500
https://www.cps.gov.uk/foi/2023/prosecution-data-offences-under-modern-slav***-act-2015-2018-2023#:~:text=Over%20the%20last%20five%20full,the%20Modern%20Slav***%20Act%202015. |
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