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"It should be about stopping them. If they had sunk the first boats years ago this invasion would not be happening. Tom would have submarines in the channel with torpedos and machine gun nests at Dover. It would have stopped this evil trade with people traffickers before it gained any momentum. We are too soft" Sorry, are you actually comdoning murder of oeople simply because they're not British? | |||
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"It should be about stopping them. If they had sunk the first boats years ago this invasion would not be happening. Tom would have submarines in the channel with torpedos and machine gun nests at Dover. It would have stopped this evil trade with people traffickers before it gained any momentum. We are too soft Sorry, are you actually comdoning murder of oeople simply because they're not British?" No. | |||
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"They must be desperate to risk their lives trying to cross the channel in a flimsy boat. Get that some are not genuine but others are " Not as desperate as the people trying to cling to people in flimsy boats as the cause of all of society's woes. Won't somebody think of them and how much they suffer. And not even as much as the people who just want their old bronzer back. Goddamn it Chanel. | |||
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"They must be desperate to risk their lives trying to cross the channel in a flimsy boat. Get that some are not genuine but others are " Fleeing war torn France. They should not get one penny in benefits or support here.. | |||
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"It should be about stopping them. If they had sunk the first boats years ago this invasion would not be happening. Tom would have submarines in the channel with torpedos and machine gun nests at Dover. It would have stopped this evil trade with people traffickers before it gained any momentum. We are too soft" Really trying to hold my tongue with this comment | |||
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"Lots of pledges and promises from the politicians and parties before the election and more chaotic scenes on French beaches today. One approach can be. Stop all of UK patrol and rescue boats in the Chanel and process those who make to the beaches and 100 per cent zero public support from government, zero housing and benefits and charities the only support. End of.. " Because uk is an island it can operate a non refugee or asylum seeker. weve had plenty of discussions on this subject we was eu connected and many fools thought leave the eu no more refugees or asylum seekers sorry you was lied to to trade with the eu like we do you have to except the terms of the eu that means still excepting refugees or asylum seekers. since we are still brokering deals with countrys then we have to except there refugees and asylum seekers the only way to operate a policy of no new people to the uk has to be enacted to all wether poor or rich that wont happen thats for sure we had the watch for the war to watch the seas easy enough to bring it back shipping out refugees or asylum seekers well you want a country to except them at there port yet they can refuse | |||
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"They must be desperate to risk their lives trying to cross the channel in a flimsy boat. Get that some are not genuine but others are Fleeing war torn France. They should not get one penny in benefits or support here.. " As you know, they’re not fleeing France, but that doesn’t suit the dog whistle brigade. | |||
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"What would Putin do if he were our Prime Minister.. " Bring in the cosmetics manufacturers for a stern lecture, and offer advice to his friend in America about the best substitutes. | |||
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"They must be desperate to risk their lives trying to cross the channel in a flimsy boat. Get that some are not genuine but others are Fleeing war torn France. They should not get one penny in benefits or support here.. As you know, they’re not fleeing France, but that doesn’t suit the dog whistle brigade." So it's not safe in France or fewer benefits.. | |||
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"What would Putin do if he were our Prime Minister.. " Aahhhh FFS | |||
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"What would Putin do if he were our Prime Minister.. Aahhhh FFS" They would not come an problem solved. And you know it.. | |||
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"What would Putin do if he were our Prime Minister.. Aahhhh FFS" It's alright. We're about to have a change in government and Putin has got nothing on the conniptions coming from some commentators 
Maybe Starmer will have the balls to go after Big Bronzer and bring back proper makeup? | |||
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"They must be desperate to risk their lives trying to cross the channel in a flimsy boat. Get that some are not genuine but others are Fleeing war torn France. They should not get one penny in benefits or support here.. As you know, they’re not fleeing France, but that doesn’t suit the dog whistle brigade. So it's not safe in France or fewer benefits.. " They don’t want to settle in France they want to come here. Many have relatives here and want to be with them, but draconian laws restricting this makes it impossible to do legally. If we had legal ways to come into the country, enough staff to process the claims, we might not have this problem, but hey who knows! | |||
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"I was wondering what the next post from the king of fabs trolls would be. Of course it was gonna be “stop the boats”. This guy lives to troll. I suggest you all stop interacting with this good for nothing, as I will do for now. Don’t feed the troll " Received and understood  | |||
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"They must be desperate to risk their lives trying to cross the channel in a flimsy boat. Get that some are not genuine but others are Fleeing war torn France. They should not get one penny in benefits or support here.. As you know, they’re not fleeing France, but that doesn’t suit the dog whistle brigade. So it's not safe in France or fewer benefits.. They don’t want to settle in France they want to come here. Many have relatives here and want to be with them, but draconian laws restricting this makes it impossible to do legally. If we had legal ways to come into the country, enough staff to process the claims, we might not have this problem, but hey who knows!" Why are their relatives here. ,,?.Their relatives could move to France surely | |||
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"Until any of us have risked death in a tiny boat, we don't have a fucking clue how fucking desperate these people must feel. Sorry I haven't read thread properly. I got to angry that anyone can seriously lack basic humanity. To the people who said what I feel in a more eloquent way, I love you x" If you are in a safe country like France then agreed. Why risk an overcrowded boat.. Stay safe in France .. | |||
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"What would Putin do if he were our Prime Minister.. " Tom, Tom...for people who think this way, Putin could never be our Prime Minister. Only are Prime Minister. | |||
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"Until any of us have risked death in a tiny boat, we don't have a fucking clue how fucking desperate these people must feel. Sorry I haven't read thread properly. I got to angry that anyone can seriously lack basic humanity. To the people who said what I feel in a more eloquent way, I love you x If you are in a safe country like France then agreed. Why risk an overcrowded boat.. Stay safe in France .. " We don't get to decide what they see is a safe haven, what country they feel gives them the best chance of a safe life. I mean unfortunately that country clearly isn't the UK anymore - I've had a customer say "we have guns, and special forces, and the cliffs of Dover. Why aren't we just shooting them?" Actually yep, you're right. Better they stay safe in France. | |||
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"Until any of us have risked death in a tiny boat, we don't have a fucking clue how fucking desperate these people must feel. Sorry I haven't read thread properly. I got to angry that anyone can seriously lack basic humanity. To the people who said what I feel in a more eloquent way, I love you x If you are in a safe country like France then agreed. Why risk an overcrowded boat.. Stay safe in France .. We don't get to decide what they see is a safe haven, what country they feel gives them the best chance of a safe life. I mean unfortunately that country clearly isn't the UK anymore - I've had a customer say "we have guns, and special forces, and the cliffs of Dover. Why aren't we just shooting them?" Actually yep, you're right. Better they stay safe in France." The Voice of Reason | |||
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"Until any of us have risked death in a tiny boat, we don't have a fucking clue how fucking desperate these people must feel. Sorry I haven't read thread properly. I got to angry that anyone can seriously lack basic humanity. To the people who said what I feel in a more eloquent way, I love you x If you are in a safe country like France then agreed. Why risk an overcrowded boat.. Stay safe in France .. We don't get to decide what they see is a safe haven, what country they feel gives them the best chance of a safe life. I mean unfortunately that country clearly isn't the UK anymore - I've had a customer say "we have guns, and special forces, and the cliffs of Dover. Why aren't we just shooting them?" Actually yep, you're right. Better they stay safe in France. The Voice of Reason" It's a rare honour I take seriously in these parts. | |||
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"Don't buy into the populist fear mongering. We must never stop caring for people in danger. " Absolutely this | |||
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"Don't buy into the populist fear mongering. We must never stop caring for people in danger. " Are they in danger in France ,? | |||
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"Don't buy into the populist fear mongering. We must never stop caring for people in danger. " 100%, the fact anyone could even make a comment about shooting "the boat people" is an atrocious thing to say. | |||
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"Don't buy into the populist fear mongering. We must never stop caring for people in danger. Absolutely this "Stop feeding the Troll | |||
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"This is not only a British concern Most of continental Europe has seen a sea change towards right wing thinking Turns out when we are the colonised, it's not as much fun as it was when the boot was on the other foot " Christ, if they think this is colonisation, I'd like them to spend some time with some blackfellas down under. Colonisation looks more like "smoothing the pillow of a dying race" in the form of poisoning people, stealing their children, just flat out shooting them, and then beginning the cycle over and over again for generations, while locking them up disproportionately and saying they bring it on themselves. Destroying their culture (not "having different cultures alongside and hoping for tolerance and mutual understanding"). And also. No suitable bronzer shades. The fuck is this. | |||
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"Don't buy into the populist fear mongering. We must never stop caring for people in danger. 100%, the fact anyone could even make a comment about shooting "the boat people" is an atrocious thing to say. " It would have saved many lives in the long run..Stopped many drowning and sometimes you need to be e cuel to be kind.. it wolf have stopped this invasion overnight and the business model by these people trafficking crims | |||
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"Don't buy into the populist fear mongering. We must never stop caring for people in danger. Are they in danger in France ,? " If Macrons double bluff doesn't pay off, very possibly In a matter of weeks, France could have a National Front Prime Minister | |||
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"Don't buy into the populist fear mongering. We must never stop caring for people in danger. 100%, the fact anyone could even make a comment about shooting "the boat people" is an atrocious thing to say. It would have saved many lives in the long run..Stopped many drowning and sometimes you need to be e cuel to be kind.. it wolf have stopped this invasion overnight and the business model by these people trafficking crims" Invasion!  | |||
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"Don't buy into the populist fear mongering. We must never stop caring for people in danger. 100%, the fact anyone could even make a comment about shooting "the boat people" is an atrocious thing to say. It would have saved many lives in the long run..Stopped many drowning and sometimes you need to be e cuel to be kind.. it wolf have stopped this invasion overnight and the business model by these people trafficking crims" You're just disgusting imo to think like this | |||
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"Don't buy into the populist fear mongering. We must never stop caring for people in danger. Are they in danger in France ,? If Macrons double bluff doesn't pay off, very possibly In a matter of weeks, France could have a National Front Prime Minister " It's called democracy | |||
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"Don't buy into the populist fear mongering. We must never stop caring for people in danger. 100%, the fact anyone could even make a comment about shooting "the boat people" is an atrocious thing to say. It would have saved many lives in the long run..Stopped many drowning and sometimes you need to be e cuel to be kind.. it wolf have stopped this invasion overnight and the business model by these people trafficking crims" I believe that this thinking requires the thinking of Western civilisation's highest pinnacles. The longest lasting political party and the Bible. Jesus said that anyone who has lustful thoughts commits adultery, and anger is the same as murder. That the part of you that thinks it should be cast out, lest it cause the rest of you to burn in hellfire forever. The leader of the most successful political party in modern Europe has said that we should show criminals no mercy. So if one contemplates drownings, doesn't this make one a murderer who should have their parts cast into the fires of hell, and shown no mercy? (Don't look at me, this ain't my stinkin' ideology. I just want my fucking bronzer back) | |||
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"Don't buy into the populist fear mongering. We must never stop caring for people in danger. 100%, the fact anyone could even make a comment about shooting "the boat people" is an atrocious thing to say. It would have saved many lives in the long run..Stopped many drowning and sometimes you need to be e cuel to be kind.. it wolf have stopped this invasion overnight and the business model by these people trafficking crims" What would probably save a lot of lives is if the west stopped bombing these countries forcing displacement and everything else that follows. And if not bombing, generally poking for profit. | |||
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"This is not only a British concern Most of continental Europe has seen a sea change towards right wing thinking Turns out when we are the colonised, it's not as much fun as it was when the boot was on the other foot Christ, if they think this is colonisation, I'd like them to spend some time with some blackfellas down under. Colonisation looks more like "smoothing the pillow of a dying race" in the form of poisoning people, stealing their children, just flat out shooting them, and then beginning the cycle over and over again for generations, while locking them up disproportionately and saying they bring it on themselves. Destroying their culture (not "having different cultures alongside and hoping for tolerance and mutual understanding"). And also. No suitable bronzer shades. The fuck is this." I don't think that we are being colonised, but I am somewhat concerned about my 'pour homme' drying up | |||
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"They must be desperate to risk their lives trying to cross the channel in a flimsy boat. Get that some are not genuine but others are " They’re not that desperate, opportunistic. They paid a lot of money to be smuggled here, around 15,000 euros per person. Many reach the safety of Europe up to 2 years prior, trafficked through Germany and other countries before finally attempting to reach the promised land. | |||
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Makes me sad for HUMANITY. | |||
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"This is not only a British concern Most of continental Europe has seen a sea change towards right wing thinking Turns out when we are the colonised, it's not as much fun as it was when the boot was on the other foot Christ, if they think this is colonisation, I'd like them to spend some time with some blackfellas down under. Colonisation looks more like "smoothing the pillow of a dying race" in the form of poisoning people, stealing their children, just flat out shooting them, and then beginning the cycle over and over again for generations, while locking them up disproportionately and saying they bring it on themselves. Destroying their culture (not "having different cultures alongside and hoping for tolerance and mutual understanding"). And also. No suitable bronzer shades. The fuck is this. I don't think that we are being colonised, but I am somewhat concerned about my 'pour homme' drying up " Nor do I. If people think this is colonisation, then they need to stop being such pussies. Back in my day we had to walk uphill both ways in the blazing snow, watch our parents be beaten for speaking our language, hide from the coppers who wanted to nick our kids, and pretend we were grateful. You Brits don't even know you're born! Time to be 'ard. So 'aard. | |||
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"Don't buy into the populist fear mongering. We must never stop caring for people in danger. Are they in danger in France ,? If Macrons double bluff doesn't pay off, very possibly In a matter of weeks, France could have a National Front Prime Minister It's called democracy " And that democracy may well put many in danger That was your suggestion wasn't it - that they aren't in danger in France, so they should stay there? If that's not what you were suggesting, what ARE you suggesting? | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 18/06/24 21:08:53]" If only the USA had you to bomb the Vietnamese in the 60s to stop the influx now? Gross. | |||
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"Many coming from Vietnam at the moment.. if only USA has me ot bombed them.in the ,,60s" Do you wanna borrow a spade...? ... you're probably going to need one to dig yourself out of this.. | |||
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"Don't buy into the populist fear mongering. We must never stop caring for people in danger. Are they in danger in France ,? If Macrons double bluff doesn't pay off, very possibly In a matter of weeks, France could have a National Front Prime Minister It's called democracy And that democracy may well put many in danger That was your suggestion wasn't it - that they aren't in danger in France, so they should stay there? If that's not what you were suggesting, what ARE you suggesting? " Maybe we should go back to some glorious British standards on how to treat people. None of this Europe mumbo jumbo. Lead the way with Churchillian spirit and treat people according to BRITISH standards. Oh shit. What do you mean that the UK was core in putting together the European convention on human rights after the second world war. Shit. | |||
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"This is not only a British concern Most of continental Europe has seen a sea change towards right wing thinking Turns out when we are the colonised, it's not as much fun as it was when the boot was on the other foot " As someone has already pointed out, people arriving on boats isn't being colonised but making comments like "when the boot is on the other foot" come across as its the start of being colonised so why wouldn't people want to do something about it ? I'm sure back when it all happened the people of the colonised world thought and done what ever they could do, Also if the op had any real concern for half the threads he starts he wouldn't be so inflammatory with his comments and replies | |||
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"This is not only a British concern Most of continental Europe has seen a sea change towards right wing thinking Turns out when we are the colonised, it's not as much fun as it was when the boot was on the other foot As someone has already pointed out, people arriving on boats isn't being colonised but making comments like "when the boot is on the other foot" come across as its the start of being colonised so why wouldn't people want to do something about it ? I'm sure back when it all happened the people of the colonised world thought and done what ever they could do, Also if the op had any real concern for half the threads he starts he wouldn't be so inflammatory with his comments and replies " That'll be fun. Britain is Terra Nullius. No one lives here. It's ours to do with as we wish. (It gets overturned. It takes 200 years ) | |||
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"I now know my least favourite forumite "It's honestly so helpful. People ask "why have politics on a swingers' site". But I know that anyone with such a callous disregard for someone else's humanity is incompatible with me on every level including a sexual one. J | |||
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"Tom stands by his observations.. People paying people smugglers thousands are not destitute.. They should not receive one penny in any beneits here, no housing, no free healthcare, jumping the queues.. No quarter given.. not one penny " Privilege is lovely eh? Oh to not worry or understand the troubles of those in need. | |||
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"I now know my least favourite forumite
It's honestly so helpful. People ask "why have politics on a swingers' site". But I know that anyone with such a callous disregard for someone else's humanity is incompatible with me on every level including a sexual one.
J"It is weird to me that on a site where people will say "no gingers" or "no Manchester United supporters", they don't understand why I might want to save intimacy for people I share some ethics with. | |||
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"I now know my least favourite forumite "There’s some pretty sad views being expressed. | |||
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"Tom stands by his observations.. People paying people smugglers thousands are not destitute.. They should not receive one penny in any beneits here, no housing, no free healthcare, jumping the queues.. No quarter given.. not one penny Privilege is lovely eh? Oh to not worry or understand the troubles of those in need. Those paying thousands to get her are my in need .. " Tom once again shows how clueless they are. | |||
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"So then ive got the paperwork all sorted who wants to take the odd migrant in and give them shelter and a loving home??? " dont all ruah at once lol | |||
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"So how do we solve the Chanel issue ? " Buy MAC instead. Or Nyx is good if you're on a budget 
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"Seems I need to brush up on my understanding of the word colonisation. I didn’t realise it meant poor people coming into a country empty-handed and starting at the bottom. " Some throwing of dictionaries at heads may well be in need. | |||
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"So then ive got the paperwork all sorted who wants to take the odd migrant in and give them shelter and a loving home??? dont all ruah at once lol" I'll take ten. As long as we can leave the same number of "let's murder the boat people" in the sea (no guns required). I'd rather live next to a hundred thousand "migrants/ boat people" than a single soul who believes that murdering people is acceptable under any circumstances. | |||
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"I now know my least favourite forumite
It's honestly so helpful. People ask "why have politics on a swingers' site". But I know that anyone with such a callous disregard for someone else's humanity is incompatible with me on every level including a sexual one.
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It is weird to me that on a site where people will say "no gingers" or "no Manchester United supporters", they don't understand why I might want to save intimacy for people I share some ethics with."What you got against Paul Scholes?  | |||
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"So then ive got the paperwork all sorted who wants to take the odd migrant in and give them shelter and a loving home??? dont all ruah at once lol I'll take ten. As long as we can leave the same number of "let's murder the boat people" in the sea (no guns required). I'd rather live next to a hundred thousand "migrants/ boat people" than a single soul who believes that murdering people is acceptable under any circumstances. " that weren't in the terms and conditions sorry u cant use these poor migrants as leverage and im sure if people were really that concered about them then they would already be in the spare room which i would bet my house on not been the case | |||
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"The fact of the matter, is that these boat people have got to be stopped. Sending them to Rwanda is not the way, they should be sent back to France. The population here is too high, we can’t even help our own homeless people, we can’t take anymore from overseas. Our politicians have been too soft for too long, and the coming of a huge majority Labour government is going to make it even worse…" We can help our own homeless. We choose not too. Hey, it serves a purpose though so it's not all doom and gloom. Just means we can stop letting those damn non-British in. | |||
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"So then ive got the paperwork all sorted who wants to take the odd migrant in and give them shelter and a loving home??? dont all ruah at once lol I'll take ten. As long as we can leave the same number of "let's murder the boat people" in the sea (no guns required). I'd rather live next to a hundred thousand "migrants/ boat people" than a single soul who believes that murdering people is acceptable under any circumstances. that weren't in the terms and conditions sorry u cant use these poor migrants as leverage and im sure if people were really that concered about them then they would already be in the spare room which i would bet my house on not been the case " I'm very sorry that I'm not on terms with the Home Office to get people to migrate legally to this country. How very inconsistent of my values
(I do note that it's only the left that are asked to be consistent about their values. Where are the people who scream SPORT ARR BOIS with huge poppies in November, trying to help with veteran homelessness and mental health issues the rest of the year?  ) | |||
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"I now know my least favourite forumite
It's honestly so helpful. People ask "why have politics on a swingers' site". But I know that anyone with such a callous disregard for someone else's humanity is incompatible with me on every level including a sexual one.
J"Indeed I'd quite like to know such things before putting my penis in someone - it's just a preference of mine. | |||
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"The fact of the matter, is that these boat people have got to be stopped. Sending them to Rwanda is not the way, they should be sent back to France. The population here is too high, we can’t even help our own homeless people, we can’t take anymore from overseas. Our politicians have been too soft for too long, and the coming of a huge majority Labour government is going to make it even worse…" How many homeless people are you helping? Or is it yet another "we can't be nice to those people, these people exist! No we won't help them either, I got mine, fuck off" | |||
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"Lots of pledges and promises from the politicians and parties before the election and more chaotic scenes on French beaches today. One approach can be. Stop all of UK patrol and rescue boats in the Chanel and process those who make to the beaches and 100 per cent zero public support from government, zero housing and benefits and charities the only support. End of.. " Or how about this country admits that it has a shortage of workers, and instead of spending vast amounts of money to prevent refugees from having jobs and earning money for themselves, we just let them take the jobs that none of us lot will do? Which is not just shitty manual graft, we've got vacancies all across the board. Then instead of forcing refugees to be a burden, they can be valuable members of society, earning their own way, creating wealth for the country, paying taxes. The average refugee could be a better asset to this country than the average tax dodging offshore banking public funds embezzling tory cabinet minister. But then of course there would be no-one for the tories to point the finger at and say "never mind the billions that we've put in our own pockets, there's a bloke over there who gets £20 a month because we deliberately won't let him work". And that's completely aside from the fact that we, the UK, actually owe a moral debt to many of these refugees because it's us who have exported our wars to their countries. We are the ones who have bombed their homes, polluted their water and fields with our drilling and mining, allowed corrupt governments in the wake of the collapse of the British Empire. | |||
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"Lots of pledges and promises from the politicians and parties before the election and more chaotic scenes on French beaches today. One approach can be. Stop all of UK patrol and rescue boats in the Chanel and process those who make to the beaches and 100 per cent zero public support from government, zero housing and benefits and charities the only support. End of.. Or how about this country admits that it has a shortage of workers, and instead of spending vast amounts of money to prevent refugees from having jobs and earning money for themselves, we just let them take the jobs that none of us lot will do? Which is not just shitty manual graft, we've got vacancies all across the board. Then instead of forcing refugees to be a burden, they can be valuable members of society, earning their own way, creating wealth for the country, paying taxes. The average refugee could be a better asset to this country than the average tax dodging offshore banking public funds embezzling tory cabinet minister. But then of course there would be no-one for the tories to point the finger at and say "never mind the billions that we've put in our own pockets, there's a bloke over there who gets £20 a month because we deliberately won't let him work". And that's completely aside from the fact that we, the UK, actually owe a moral debt to many of these refugees because it's us who have exported our wars to their countries. We are the ones who have bombed their homes, polluted their water and fields with our drilling and mining, allowed corrupt governments in the wake of the collapse of the British Empire." Because that means admitting Britain isn't Great. | |||
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"Lots of pledges and promises from the politicians and parties before the election and more chaotic scenes on French beaches today. One approach can be. Stop all of UK patrol and rescue boats in the Chanel and process those who make to the beaches and 100 per cent zero public support from government, zero housing and benefits and charities the only support. End of.. Or how about this country admits that it has a shortage of workers, and instead of spending vast amounts of money to prevent refugees from having jobs and earning money for themselves, we just let them take the jobs that none of us lot will do? Which is not just shitty manual graft, we've got vacancies all across the board. Then instead of forcing refugees to be a burden, they can be valuable members of society, earning their own way, creating wealth for the country, paying taxes. The average refugee could be a better asset to this country than the average tax dodging offshore banking public funds embezzling tory cabinet minister. But then of course there would be no-one for the tories to point the finger at and say "never mind the billions that we've put in our own pockets, there's a bloke over there who gets £20 a month because we deliberately won't let him work". And that's completely aside from the fact that we, the UK, actually owe a moral debt to many of these refugees because it's us who have exported our wars to their countries. We are the ones who have bombed their homes, polluted their water and fields with our drilling and mining, allowed corrupt governments in the wake of the collapse of the British Empire. Because that means admitting Britain isn't Great." People would rather commit national self harm than do that. Destroy the lives of their children and communities rather than consider the true meaning of legacy and our current place in the world. (No, I'm not British, but I'm of British heritage. I'll take the blame too) | |||
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"Lots of pledges and promises from the politicians and parties before the election and more chaotic scenes on French beaches today. One approach can be. Stop all of UK patrol and rescue boats in the Chanel and process those who make to the beaches and 100 per cent zero public support from government, zero housing and benefits and charities the only support. End of.. Or how about this country admits that it has a shortage of workers, and instead of spending vast amounts of money to prevent refugees from having jobs and earning money for themselves, we just let them take the jobs that none of us lot will do? Which is not just shitty manual graft, we've got vacancies all across the board. Then instead of forcing refugees to be a burden, they can be valuable members of society, earning their own way, creating wealth for the country, paying taxes. The average refugee could be a better asset to this country than the average tax dodging offshore banking public funds embezzling tory cabinet minister. But then of course there would be no-one for the tories to point the finger at and say "never mind the billions that we've put in our own pockets, there's a bloke over there who gets £20 a month because we deliberately won't let him work". And that's completely aside from the fact that we, the UK, actually owe a moral debt to many of these refugees because it's us who have exported our wars to their countries. We are the ones who have bombed their homes, polluted their water and fields with our drilling and mining, allowed corrupt governments in the wake of the collapse of the British Empire. Because that means admitting Britain isn't Great. People would rather commit national self harm than do that. Destroy the lives of their children and communities rather than consider the true meaning of legacy and our current place in the world. (No, I'm not British, but I'm of British heritage. I'll take the blame too)" 
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"Lots of pledges and promises from the politicians and parties before the election and more chaotic scenes on French beaches today. One approach can be. Stop all of UK patrol and rescue boats in the Chanel and process those who make to the beaches and 100 per cent zero public support from government, zero housing and benefits and charities the only support. End of.. Or how about this country admits that it has a shortage of workers, and instead of spending vast amounts of money to prevent refugees from having jobs and earning money for themselves, we just let them take the jobs that none of us lot will do? Which is not just shitty manual graft, we've got vacancies all across the board. Then instead of forcing refugees to be a burden, they can be valuable members of society, earning their own way, creating wealth for the country, paying taxes. The average refugee could be a better asset to this country than the average tax dodging offshore banking public funds embezzling tory cabinet minister. But then of course there would be no-one for the tories to point the finger at and say "never mind the billions that we've put in our own pockets, there's a bloke over there who gets £20 a month because we deliberately won't let him work". And that's completely aside from the fact that we, the UK, actually owe a moral debt to many of these refugees because it's us who have exported our wars to their countries. We are the ones who have bombed their homes, polluted their water and fields with our drilling and mining, allowed corrupt governments in the wake of the collapse of the British Empire. Because that means admitting Britain isn't Great. People would rather commit national self harm than do that. Destroy the lives of their children and communities rather than consider the true meaning of legacy and our current place in the world. (No, I'm not British, but I'm of British heritage. I'll take the blame too)
Wy are you to blame? "Because I have benefitted from the harm that has been committed both against others and my ancestors. I can act to make other people's lives better rather than hoarding resources and assuming that my fortune is earned rather than luck. | |||
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"Lots of pledges and promises from the politicians and parties before the election and more chaotic scenes on French beaches today. One approach can be. Stop all of UK patrol and rescue boats in the Chanel and process those who make to the beaches and 100 per cent zero public support from government, zero housing and benefits and charities the only support. End of.. Or how about this country admits that it has a shortage of workers, and instead of spending vast amounts of money to prevent refugees from having jobs and earning money for themselves, we just let them take the jobs that none of us lot will do? Which is not just shitty manual graft, we've got vacancies all across the board. Then instead of forcing refugees to be a burden, they can be valuable members of society, earning their own way, creating wealth for the country, paying taxes. The average refugee could be a better asset to this country than the average tax dodging offshore banking public funds embezzling tory cabinet minister. But then of course there would be no-one for the tories to point the finger at and say "never mind the billions that we've put in our own pockets, there's a bloke over there who gets £20 a month because we deliberately won't let him work". And that's completely aside from the fact that we, the UK, actually owe a moral debt to many of these refugees because it's us who have exported our wars to their countries. We are the ones who have bombed their homes, polluted their water and fields with our drilling and mining, allowed corrupt governments in the wake of the collapse of the British Empire. Because that means admitting Britain isn't Great. People would rather commit national self harm than do that. Destroy the lives of their children and communities rather than consider the true meaning of legacy and our current place in the world. (No, I'm not British, but I'm of British heritage. I'll take the blame too)
Wy are you to blame?
Because I have benefitted from the harm that has been committed both against others and my ancestors. I can act to make other people's lives better rather than hoarding resources and assuming that my fortune is earned rather than luck." * Self flagellation is not an attractive trait | |||
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" Self flagellation is not an attractive trait " Oooh Swing, don't spank yourself. Tom wants to do it for you, you lucky duck 
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"Do not take responsibility for perceived acts by your ancestors. It really is not your fault.. " If you had a dog Tom, and it lived in your garden, and the postie left the gate open and the dog ran out of the property and bit someone, I think we can agree that the postie caused the event. But it's still your dog, Tom. You have a responsibility there as well. The actions of the postie does not absolve you of your responsibilities as a dog owner. It's your animal. . The actions of The Empire may not have been committed in my name, nor with my approval, but I am still a citizen of a later Empire, and amends must be made. . We should hold our Empires to account, because if we do not, who will ? If we do not, Empires act with impunity and sovereign autonomy, and that needs to end. | |||
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"It should be about stopping them. If they had sunk the first boats years ago this invasion would not be happening. Tom would have submarines in the channel with torpedos and machine gun nests at Dover. It would have stopped this evil trade with people traffickers before it gained any momentum. We are too soft" You won't stop them if thay are told of a land of green and plenty. First it was the lorrys that got harder with tec. So they switched to the boats and that seams to work for the smuggling as success rate is good. Sumhow we need to stop giving so much support to people coming in illegality and make a better system for the people that really need help. | |||
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"It should be about stopping them. If they had sunk the first boats years ago this invasion would not be happening. Tom would have submarines in the channel with torpedos and machine gun nests at Dover. It would have stopped this evil trade with people traffickers before it gained any momentum. We are too soft" And this is what we have as part of our esteemed voting public?  | |||
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" Self flagellation is not an attractive trait Oooh Swing, don't spank yourself. Tom wants to do it for you, you lucky duck
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"Do not take responsibility for perceived acts by your ancestors. It really is not your fault.. If you had a dog Tom, and it lived in your garden, and the postie left the gate open and the dog ran out of the property and bit someone, I think we can agree that the postie caused the event. But it's still your dog, Tom. You have a responsibility there as well. The actions of the postie does not absolve you of your responsibilities as a dog owner. It's your animal. . The actions of The Empire may not have been committed in my name, nor with my approval, but I am still a citizen of a later Empire, and amends must be made. . We should hold our Empires to account, because if we do not, who will ? If we do not, Empires act with impunity and sovereign autonomy, and that needs to end. " A whole new thread for another day.. outlandish thinking.. even by Toms standards .. | |||
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"Lots of pledges and promises from the politicians and parties before the election and more chaotic scenes on French beaches today. One approach can be. Stop all of UK patrol and rescue boats in the Chanel and process those who make to the beaches and 100 per cent zero public support from government, zero housing and benefits and charities the only support. End of.. Or how about this country admits that it has a shortage of workers, and instead of spending vast amounts of money to prevent refugees from having jobs and earning money for themselves, we just let them take the jobs that none of us lot will do? Which is not just shitty manual graft, we've got vacancies all across the board. Then instead of forcing refugees to be a burden, they can be valuable members of society, earning their own way, creating wealth for the country, paying taxes. The average refugee could be a better asset to this country than the average tax dodging offshore banking public funds embezzling tory cabinet minister. But then of course there would be no-one for the tories to point the finger at and say "never mind the billions that we've put in our own pockets, there's a bloke over there who gets £20 a month because we deliberately won't let him work". And that's completely aside from the fact that we, the UK, actually owe a moral debt to many of these refugees because it's us who have exported our wars to their countries. We are the ones who have bombed their homes, polluted their water and fields with our drilling and mining, allowed corrupt governments in the wake of the collapse of the British Empire. Because that means admitting Britain isn't Great. People would rather commit national self harm than do that. Destroy the lives of their children and communities rather than consider the true meaning of legacy and our current place in the world. (No, I'm not British, but I'm of British heritage. I'll take the blame too)
Wy are you to blame?
Because I have benefitted from the harm that has been committed both against others and my ancestors. I can act to make other people's lives better rather than hoarding resources and assuming that my fortune is earned rather than luck."What action have you taken so far to atone for the sins of your ancestors? | |||
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"Lots of pledges and promises from the politicians and parties before the election and more chaotic scenes on French beaches today. One approach can be. Stop all of UK patrol and rescue boats in the Chanel and process those who make to the beaches and 100 per cent zero public support from government, zero housing and benefits and charities the only support. End of.. Or how about this country admits that it has a shortage of workers, and instead of spending vast amounts of money to prevent refugees from having jobs and earning money for themselves, we just let them take the jobs that none of us lot will do? Which is not just shitty manual graft, we've got vacancies all across the board. Then instead of forcing refugees to be a burden, they can be valuable members of society, earning their own way, creating wealth for the country, paying taxes. The average refugee could be a better asset to this country than the average tax dodging offshore banking public funds embezzling tory cabinet minister. But then of course there would be no-one for the tories to point the finger at and say "never mind the billions that we've put in our own pockets, there's a bloke over there who gets £20 a month because we deliberately won't let him work". And that's completely aside from the fact that we, the UK, actually owe a moral debt to many of these refugees because it's us who have exported our wars to their countries. We are the ones who have bombed their homes, polluted their water and fields with our drilling and mining, allowed corrupt governments in the wake of the collapse of the British Empire. Because that means admitting Britain isn't Great. People would rather commit national self harm than do that. Destroy the lives of their children and communities rather than consider the true meaning of legacy and our current place in the world. (No, I'm not British, but I'm of British heritage. I'll take the blame too)
Wy are you to blame?
Because I have benefitted from the harm that has been committed both against others and my ancestors. I can act to make other people's lives better rather than hoarding resources and assuming that my fortune is earned rather than luck.
What action have you taken so far to atone for the sins of your ancestors?"I've been involved in campaigns, fundraising, and initiatives since I was eleven years old, but that's usually shouted down as virtue signalling
(I also said my ancestors were victims of this - my ancestors were the smarter half of the Irish diaspora who had the British pay for them to fuck off to a place where they weren't starving ) | |||
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"Lots of pledges and promises from the politicians and parties before the election and more chaotic scenes on French beaches today. One approach can be. Stop all of UK patrol and rescue boats in the Chanel and process those who make to the beaches and 100 per cent zero public support from government, zero housing and benefits and charities the only support. End of.. Or how about this country admits that it has a shortage of workers, and instead of spending vast amounts of money to prevent refugees from having jobs and earning money for themselves, we just let them take the jobs that none of us lot will do? Which is not just shitty manual graft, we've got vacancies all across the board. Then instead of forcing refugees to be a burden, they can be valuable members of society, earning their own way, creating wealth for the country, paying taxes. The average refugee could be a better asset to this country than the average tax dodging offshore banking public funds embezzling tory cabinet minister. But then of course there would be no-one for the tories to point the finger at and say "never mind the billions that we've put in our own pockets, there's a bloke over there who gets £20 a month because we deliberately won't let him work". And that's completely aside from the fact that we, the UK, actually owe a moral debt to many of these refugees because it's us who have exported our wars to their countries. We are the ones who have bombed their homes, polluted their water and fields with our drilling and mining, allowed corrupt governments in the wake of the collapse of the British Empire. Because that means admitting Britain isn't Great. People would rather commit national self harm than do that. Destroy the lives of their children and communities rather than consider the true meaning of legacy and our current place in the world. (No, I'm not British, but I'm of British heritage. I'll take the blame too)
Wy are you to blame?
Because I have benefitted from the harm that has been committed both against others and my ancestors. I can act to make other people's lives better rather than hoarding resources and assuming that my fortune is earned rather than luck.
What action have you taken so far to atone for the sins of your ancestors?
I've been involved in campaigns, fundraising, and initiatives since I was eleven years old, but that's usually shouted down as virtue signalling
(I also said my ancestors were victims of this - my ancestors were the smarter half of the Irish diaspora who had the British pay for them to fuck off to a place where they weren't starving )"I’m part Irish too. I don’t dwell on it to be honest. I’ve got better things to do and prefer to work for a living. | |||
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"Lots of pledges and promises from the politicians and parties before the election and more chaotic scenes on French beaches today. One approach can be. Stop all of UK patrol and rescue boats in the Chanel and process those who make to the beaches and 100 per cent zero public support from government, zero housing and benefits and charities the only support. End of.. Or how about this country admits that it has a shortage of workers, and instead of spending vast amounts of money to prevent refugees from having jobs and earning money for themselves, we just let them take the jobs that none of us lot will do? Which is not just shitty manual graft, we've got vacancies all across the board. Then instead of forcing refugees to be a burden, they can be valuable members of society, earning their own way, creating wealth for the country, paying taxes. The average refugee could be a better asset to this country than the average tax dodging offshore banking public funds embezzling tory cabinet minister. But then of course there would be no-one for the tories to point the finger at and say "never mind the billions that we've put in our own pockets, there's a bloke over there who gets £20 a month because we deliberately won't let him work". And that's completely aside from the fact that we, the UK, actually owe a moral debt to many of these refugees because it's us who have exported our wars to their countries. We are the ones who have bombed their homes, polluted their water and fields with our drilling and mining, allowed corrupt governments in the wake of the collapse of the British Empire. Because that means admitting Britain isn't Great. People would rather commit national self harm than do that. Destroy the lives of their children and communities rather than consider the true meaning of legacy and our current place in the world. (No, I'm not British, but I'm of British heritage. I'll take the blame too)
Wy are you to blame?
Because I have benefitted from the harm that has been committed both against others and my ancestors. I can act to make other people's lives better rather than hoarding resources and assuming that my fortune is earned rather than luck.
What action have you taken so far to atone for the sins of your ancestors?
I've been involved in campaigns, fundraising, and initiatives since I was eleven years old, but that's usually shouted down as virtue signalling
(I also said my ancestors were victims of this - my ancestors were the smarter half of the Irish diaspora who had the British pay for them to fuck off to a place where they weren't starving )
I’m part Irish too. I don’t dwell on it to be honest. I’ve got better things to do and prefer to work for a living."What does employment have to do with the price of tea in China? | |||
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"Lots of pledges and promises from the politicians and parties before the election and more chaotic scenes on French beaches today. One approach can be. Stop all of UK patrol and rescue boats in the Chanel and process those who make to the beaches and 100 per cent zero public support from government, zero housing and benefits and charities the only support. End of.. Or how about this country admits that it has a shortage of workers, and instead of spending vast amounts of money to prevent refugees from having jobs and earning money for themselves, we just let them take the jobs that none of us lot will do? Which is not just shitty manual graft, we've got vacancies all across the board. Then instead of forcing refugees to be a burden, they can be valuable members of society, earning their own way, creating wealth for the country, paying taxes. The average refugee could be a better asset to this country than the average tax dodging offshore banking public funds embezzling tory cabinet minister. But then of course there would be no-one for the tories to point the finger at and say "never mind the billions that we've put in our own pockets, there's a bloke over there who gets £20 a month because we deliberately won't let him work". And that's completely aside from the fact that we, the UK, actually owe a moral debt to many of these refugees because it's us who have exported our wars to their countries. We are the ones who have bombed their homes, polluted their water and fields with our drilling and mining, allowed corrupt governments in the wake of the collapse of the British Empire. Because that means admitting Britain isn't Great. People would rather commit national self harm than do that. Destroy the lives of their children and communities rather than consider the true meaning of legacy and our current place in the world. (No, I'm not British, but I'm of British heritage. I'll take the blame too)
Wy are you to blame?
Because I have benefitted from the harm that has been committed both against others and my ancestors. I can act to make other people's lives better rather than hoarding resources and assuming that my fortune is earned rather than luck.
What action have you taken so far to atone for the sins of your ancestors?
I've been involved in campaigns, fundraising, and initiatives since I was eleven years old, but that's usually shouted down as virtue signalling
(I also said my ancestors were victims of this - my ancestors were the smarter half of the Irish diaspora who had the British pay for them to fuck off to a place where they weren't starving )
I’m part Irish too. I don’t dwell on it to be honest. I’ve got better things to do and prefer to work for a living.
What does employment have to do with the price of tea in China?"I don’t feel that being part Irish makes me part victim. Should I? | |||
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"Lots of pledges and promises from the politicians and parties before the election and more chaotic scenes on French beaches today. One approach can be. Stop all of UK patrol and rescue boats in the Chanel and process those who make to the beaches and 100 per cent zero public support from government, zero housing and benefits and charities the only support. End of.. Or how about this country admits that it has a shortage of workers, and instead of spending vast amounts of money to prevent refugees from having jobs and earning money for themselves, we just let them take the jobs that none of us lot will do? Which is not just shitty manual graft, we've got vacancies all across the board. Then instead of forcing refugees to be a burden, they can be valuable members of society, earning their own way, creating wealth for the country, paying taxes. The average refugee could be a better asset to this country than the average tax dodging offshore banking public funds embezzling tory cabinet minister. But then of course there would be no-one for the tories to point the finger at and say "never mind the billions that we've put in our own pockets, there's a bloke over there who gets £20 a month because we deliberately won't let him work". And that's completely aside from the fact that we, the UK, actually owe a moral debt to many of these refugees because it's us who have exported our wars to their countries. We are the ones who have bombed their homes, polluted their water and fields with our drilling and mining, allowed corrupt governments in the wake of the collapse of the British Empire. Because that means admitting Britain isn't Great. People would rather commit national self harm than do that. Destroy the lives of their children and communities rather than consider the true meaning of legacy and our current place in the world. (No, I'm not British, but I'm of British heritage. I'll take the blame too)
Wy are you to blame?
Because I have benefitted from the harm that has been committed both against others and my ancestors. I can act to make other people's lives better rather than hoarding resources and assuming that my fortune is earned rather than luck.
What action have you taken so far to atone for the sins of your ancestors?
I've been involved in campaigns, fundraising, and initiatives since I was eleven years old, but that's usually shouted down as virtue signalling
(I also said my ancestors were victims of this - my ancestors were the smarter half of the Irish diaspora who had the British pay for them to fuck off to a place where they weren't starving )
I’m part Irish too. I don’t dwell on it to be honest. I’ve got better things to do and prefer to work for a living.
What does employment have to do with the price of tea in China?
I don’t feel that being part Irish makes me part victim. Should I?"You may feel however you like. As do I. I think you attach much more to this that I do. I just want to ensure that people who are harmed by historic injustices have a better go of life in the future. I can recognise historic harms to displaced and marginalised people, work on that, run my own business, walk, and even chew gum. All at once. Magic. | |||
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"Lots of pledges and promises from the politicians and parties before the election and more chaotic scenes on French beaches today. One approach can be. Stop all of UK patrol and rescue boats in the Chanel and process those who make to the beaches and 100 per cent zero public support from government, zero housing and benefits and charities the only support. End of.. Or how about this country admits that it has a shortage of workers, and instead of spending vast amounts of money to prevent refugees from having jobs and earning money for themselves, we just let them take the jobs that none of us lot will do? Which is not just shitty manual graft, we've got vacancies all across the board. Then instead of forcing refugees to be a burden, they can be valuable members of society, earning their own way, creating wealth for the country, paying taxes. The average refugee could be a better asset to this country than the average tax dodging offshore banking public funds embezzling tory cabinet minister. But then of course there would be no-one for the tories to point the finger at and say "never mind the billions that we've put in our own pockets, there's a bloke over there who gets £20 a month because we deliberately won't let him work". And that's completely aside from the fact that we, the UK, actually owe a moral debt to many of these refugees because it's us who have exported our wars to their countries. We are the ones who have bombed their homes, polluted their water and fields with our drilling and mining, allowed corrupt governments in the wake of the collapse of the British Empire. Because that means admitting Britain isn't Great. People would rather commit national self harm than do that. Destroy the lives of their children and communities rather than consider the true meaning of legacy and our current place in the world. (No, I'm not British, but I'm of British heritage. I'll take the blame too)
Wy are you to blame?
Because I have benefitted from the harm that has been committed both against others and my ancestors. I can act to make other people's lives better rather than hoarding resources and assuming that my fortune is earned rather than luck.
What action have you taken so far to atone for the sins of your ancestors?
I've been involved in campaigns, fundraising, and initiatives since I was eleven years old, but that's usually shouted down as virtue signalling
(I also said my ancestors were victims of this - my ancestors were the smarter half of the Irish diaspora who had the British pay for them to fuck off to a place where they weren't starving )
I’m part Irish too. I don’t dwell on it to be honest. I’ve got better things to do and prefer to work for a living.
What does employment have to do with the price of tea in China?
I don’t feel that being part Irish makes me part victim. Should I?
You may feel however you like. As do I. I think you attach much more to this that I do. I just want to ensure that people who are harmed by historic injustices have a better go of life in the future.
I can recognise historic harms to displaced and marginalised people, work on that, run my own business, walk, and even chew gum. All at once. Magic."I don’t attach anything to it at all. Who has been harmed by historic injustices? Jay-Z? Obama? Will you be handing all your belongings to Beyoncé as penance? | |||
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"I'm sorry, but when did this SEX website become a political forum to discuss often desperate people fleeing abject poverty by risking their lives to cross the Channel in unsafe tiny boats? While we're at it why not also debate Israel's decades-long brutal oppression of the people of Palestine, what the solution to that conflict should be or how Israel, via AIPAC etc, pays US politicians to back Israel's actions no matter what?
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"Lots of pledges and promises from the politicians and parties before the election and more chaotic scenes on French beaches today. One approach can be. Stop all of UK patrol and rescue boats in the Chanel and process those who make to the beaches and 100 per cent zero public support from government, zero housing and benefits and charities the only support. End of.. Or how about this country admits that it has a shortage of workers, and instead of spending vast amounts of money to prevent refugees from having jobs and earning money for themselves, we just let them take the jobs that none of us lot will do? Which is not just shitty manual graft, we've got vacancies all across the board. Then instead of forcing refugees to be a burden, they can be valuable members of society, earning their own way, creating wealth for the country, paying taxes. The average refugee could be a better asset to this country than the average tax dodging offshore banking public funds embezzling tory cabinet minister. But then of course there would be no-one for the tories to point the finger at and say "never mind the billions that we've put in our own pockets, there's a bloke over there who gets £20 a month because we deliberately won't let him work". And that's completely aside from the fact that we, the UK, actually owe a moral debt to many of these refugees because it's us who have exported our wars to their countries. We are the ones who have bombed their homes, polluted their water and fields with our drilling and mining, allowed corrupt governments in the wake of the collapse of the British Empire. Because that means admitting Britain isn't Great. People would rather commit national self harm than do that. Destroy the lives of their children and communities rather than consider the true meaning of legacy and our current place in the world. (No, I'm not British, but I'm of British heritage. I'll take the blame too)
Wy are you to blame?
Because I have benefitted from the harm that has been committed both against others and my ancestors. I can act to make other people's lives better rather than hoarding resources and assuming that my fortune is earned rather than luck.
What action have you taken so far to atone for the sins of your ancestors?
I've been involved in campaigns, fundraising, and initiatives since I was eleven years old, but that's usually shouted down as virtue signalling
(I also said my ancestors were victims of this - my ancestors were the smarter half of the Irish diaspora who had the British pay for them to fuck off to a place where they weren't starving )
I’m part Irish too. I don’t dwell on it to be honest. I’ve got better things to do and prefer to work for a living.
What does employment have to do with the price of tea in China?
I don’t feel that being part Irish makes me part victim. Should I?
You may feel however you like. As do I. I think you attach much more to this that I do. I just want to ensure that people who are harmed by historic injustices have a better go of life in the future.
I can recognise historic harms to displaced and marginalised people, work on that, run my own business, walk, and even chew gum. All at once. Magic.
I don’t attach anything to it at all.
Who has been harmed by historic injustices? Jay-Z? Obama? Will you be handing all your belongings to Beyoncé as penance?"I will probably spend more time working on someone who takes the topic slightly more seriously than this. But ta. | |||
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"I'm sorry, but when did this SEX website become a political forum to discuss often desperate people fleeing abject poverty by risking their lives to cross the Channel in unsafe tiny boats? While we're at it why not also debate Israel's decades-long brutal oppression of the people of Palestine, what the solution to that conflict should be or how Israel, via AIPAC etc, pays US politicians to back Israel's actions no matter what?
welcome to the politics forum. (Although I assume tom started this in the lounge ?)"You’re not wrong … | |||
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"Of course, anything other than total support for boat refugees is racist, but an article in the New Statesman a while ago took my notice. According to government figures, 90% of the refugees are adult males. How is it that the countries they're escaping from are dangerous to adult males, but somehow safe for women and children? The other thing I noticed is that all the countries listed as being where most refugees are from are Islam ruled. Is the disparity between the male/female ratio due to misogyny? It concerns me slightly that if this is the case, those poor refugees, the adult male ones, will be bringing more unwanted misogyny to this country. " the nationality table can change quite quickly. ATM Vietnam tops it (year to date). Not sure what has changed. It's Buddhist tho i believe. On the gender part, it may be that the men make the dangerous crossing while the family is another safe country. And they then can be brought over by other means. After all, only a third of asylum claims come from boat people. That's a guess. One big issue is that the MI here is awful, and as it takes so long to process there is a lag between the arrival rate and the acceptance rates which means we nevee know the legitimacy of current claims. | |||
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"So how do we solve the Chanel issue ? " Buy Dior | |||
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"Lots of pledges and promises from the politicians and parties before the election and more chaotic scenes on French beaches today. One approach can be. Stop all of UK patrol and rescue boats in the Chanel and process those who make to the beaches and 100 per cent zero public support from government, zero housing and benefits and charities the only support. End of.. Or how about this country admits that it has a shortage of workers, and instead of spending vast amounts of money to prevent refugees from having jobs and earning money for themselves, we just let them take the jobs that none of us lot will do? Which is not just shitty manual graft, we've got vacancies all across the board. Then instead of forcing refugees to be a burden, they can be valuable members of society, earning their own way, creating wealth for the country, paying taxes. The average refugee could be a better asset to this country than the average tax dodging offshore banking public funds embezzling tory cabinet minister. But then of course there would be no-one for the tories to point the finger at and say "never mind the billions that we've put in our own pockets, there's a bloke over there who gets £20 a month because we deliberately won't let him work". And that's completely aside from the fact that we, the UK, actually owe a moral debt to many of these refugees because it's us who have exported our wars to their countries. We are the ones who have bombed their homes, polluted their water and fields with our drilling and mining, allowed corrupt governments in the wake of the collapse of the British Empire. Because that means admitting Britain isn't Great. People would rather commit national self harm than do that. Destroy the lives of their children and communities rather than consider the true meaning of legacy and our current place in the world. (No, I'm not British, but I'm of British heritage. I'll take the blame too)
Wy are you to blame?
Because I have benefitted from the harm that has been committed both against others and my ancestors. I can act to make other people's lives better rather than hoarding resources and assuming that my fortune is earned rather than luck.
What action have you taken so far to atone for the sins of your ancestors?
I've been involved in campaigns, fundraising, and initiatives since I was eleven years old, but that's usually shouted down as virtue signalling
(I also said my ancestors were victims of this - my ancestors were the smarter half of the Irish diaspora who had the British pay for them to fuck off to a place where they weren't starving )
I’m part Irish too. I don’t dwell on it to be honest. I’ve got better things to do and prefer to work for a living.
What does employment have to do with the price of tea in China?"He reckons 100% forumites are on welfare (which obviously includes him). I cannot remember what thread though. | |||
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"I'm sorry, but when did this SEX website become a political forum to discuss often desperate people fleeing abject poverty by risking their lives to cross the Channel in unsafe tiny boats? While we're at it why not also debate Israel's decades-long brutal oppression of the people of Palestine, what the solution to that conflict should be or how Israel, via AIPAC etc, pays US politicians to back Israel's actions no matter what?
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"So how do we solve the Chanel issue ? Buy Dior" The Devil wears Prada | |||
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"I'm sorry, but when did this SEX website become a political forum to discuss often desperate people fleeing abject poverty by risking their lives to cross the Channel in unsafe tiny boats? While we're at it why not also debate Israel's decades-long brutal oppression of the people of Palestine, what the solution to that conflict should be or how Israel, via AIPAC etc, pays US politicians to back Israel's actions no matter what?
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"Lots of pledges and promises from the politicians and parties before the election and more chaotic scenes on French beaches today. One approach can be. Stop all of UK patrol and rescue boats in the Chanel and process those who make to the beaches and 100 per cent zero public support from government, zero housing and benefits and charities the only support. End of.. Or how about this country admits that it has a shortage of workers, and instead of spending vast amounts of money to prevent refugees from having jobs and earning money for themselves, we just let them take the jobs that none of us lot will do? Which is not just shitty manual graft, we've got vacancies all across the board. Then instead of forcing refugees to be a burden, they can be valuable members of society, earning their own way, creating wealth for the country, paying taxes. The average refugee could be a better asset to this country than the average tax dodging offshore banking public funds embezzling tory cabinet minister. But then of course there would be no-one for the tories to point the finger at and say "never mind the billions that we've put in our own pockets, there's a bloke over there who gets £20 a month because we deliberately won't let him work". And that's completely aside from the fact that we, the UK, actually owe a moral debt to many of these refugees because it's us who have exported our wars to their countries. We are the ones who have bombed their homes, polluted their water and fields with our drilling and mining, allowed corrupt governments in the wake of the collapse of the British Empire. Because that means admitting Britain isn't Great. People would rather commit national self harm than do that. Destroy the lives of their children and communities rather than consider the true meaning of legacy and our current place in the world. (No, I'm not British, but I'm of British heritage. I'll take the blame too)
Wy are you to blame?
Because I have benefitted from the harm that has been committed both against others and my ancestors. I can act to make other people's lives better rather than hoarding resources and assuming that my fortune is earned rather than luck.
What action have you taken so far to atone for the sins of your ancestors?
I've been involved in campaigns, fundraising, and initiatives since I was eleven years old, but that's usually shouted down as virtue signalling
(I also said my ancestors were victims of this - my ancestors were the smarter half of the Irish diaspora who had the British pay for them to fuck off to a place where they weren't starving )
I’m part Irish too. I don’t dwell on it to be honest. I’ve got better things to do and prefer to work for a living.
What does employment have to do with the price of tea in China?
He reckons 100% forumites are on welfare (which obviously includes him). I cannot remember what thread though."I think you need to re-read my posts on which you keep going on about this “100%” thing. My actual point was that a significant percentage of people on this forum expressing support for Labour are beneficiaries of state largesse hence their support for Labour. Their expectation being that the Labour government will reward their votes with some more pork. I’m sure that isn’t the case with you though, so maybe my 100% estimation should be lowered to 99%? | |||
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"Lots of pledges and promises from the politicians and parties before the election and more chaotic scenes on French beaches today. One approach can be. Stop all of UK patrol and rescue boats in the Chanel and process those who make to the beaches and 100 per cent zero public support from government, zero housing and benefits and charities the only support. End of.. Or how about this country admits that it has a shortage of workers, and instead of spending vast amounts of money to prevent refugees from having jobs and earning money for themselves, we just let them take the jobs that none of us lot will do? Which is not just shitty manual graft, we've got vacancies all across the board. Then instead of forcing refugees to be a burden, they can be valuable members of society, earning their own way, creating wealth for the country, paying taxes. The average refugee could be a better asset to this country than the average tax dodging offshore banking public funds embezzling tory cabinet minister. But then of course there would be no-one for the tories to point the finger at and say "never mind the billions that we've put in our own pockets, there's a bloke over there who gets £20 a month because we deliberately won't let him work". And that's completely aside from the fact that we, the UK, actually owe a moral debt to many of these refugees because it's us who have exported our wars to their countries. We are the ones who have bombed their homes, polluted their water and fields with our drilling and mining, allowed corrupt governments in the wake of the collapse of the British Empire. Because that means admitting Britain isn't Great. People would rather commit national self harm than do that. Destroy the lives of their children and communities rather than consider the true meaning of legacy and our current place in the world. (No, I'm not British, but I'm of British heritage. I'll take the blame too)
Wy are you to blame?
Because I have benefitted from the harm that has been committed both against others and my ancestors. I can act to make other people's lives better rather than hoarding resources and assuming that my fortune is earned rather than luck.
What action have you taken so far to atone for the sins of your ancestors?
I've been involved in campaigns, fundraising, and initiatives since I was eleven years old, but that's usually shouted down as virtue signalling
(I also said my ancestors were victims of this - my ancestors were the smarter half of the Irish diaspora who had the British pay for them to fuck off to a place where they weren't starving )
I’m part Irish too. I don’t dwell on it to be honest. I’ve got better things to do and prefer to work for a living.
What does employment have to do with the price of tea in China?
I don’t feel that being part Irish makes me part victim. Should I?
You may feel however you like. As do I. I think you attach much more to this that I do. I just want to ensure that people who are harmed by historic injustices have a better go of life in the future.
I can recognise historic harms to displaced and marginalised people, work on that, run my own business, walk, and even chew gum. All at once. Magic.
I don’t attach anything to it at all.
Who has been harmed by historic injustices? Jay-Z? Obama? Will you be handing all your belongings to Beyoncé as penance?
I will probably spend more time working on someone who takes the topic slightly more seriously than this. But ta."True. I’m only 25% Irish so am not that high in the oppression stakes. And 75% English which makes me both oppressed and oppressor! So conflicted! Maybe I should give myself some handouts! | |||
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" Wy are you to blame? Because I have benefitted from the harm that has been committed both against others and my ancestors. I can act to make other people's lives better rather than hoarding resources and assuming that my fortune is earned rather than luck." You have managed to bring the Christian doctrine of original sin into the life of every British (or even white European?) baby born. Do recent immigrants or second generation immigrants also bear this cross? Where does one draw the line? Do the British born children of asylum seekers need to perform penance for the privilege of growing up with an education system funded by historical colonialism and links to sl@very? Serious question. | |||
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" Wy are you to blame? Because I have benefitted from the harm that has been committed both against others and my ancestors. I can act to make other people's lives better rather than hoarding resources and assuming that my fortune is earned rather than luck. You have managed to bring the Christian doctrine of original sin into the life of every British (or even white European?) baby born. Do recent immigrants or second generation immigrants also bear this cross? Where does one draw the line? Do the British born children of asylum seekers need to perform penance for the privilege of growing up with an education system funded by historical colonialism and links to sl@very? Serious question." Modern day equivalent of self-flagellation | |||
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"Lots of pledges and promises from the politicians and parties before the election and more chaotic scenes on French beaches today. One approach can be. Stop all of UK patrol and rescue boats in the Chanel and process those who make to the beaches and 100 per cent zero public support from government, zero housing and benefits and charities the only support. End of.. Or how about this country admits that it has a shortage of workers, and instead of spending vast amounts of money to prevent refugees from having jobs and earning money for themselves, we just let them take the jobs that none of us lot will do? Which is not just shitty manual graft, we've got vacancies all across the board. Then instead of forcing refugees to be a burden, they can be valuable members of society, earning their own way, creating wealth for the country, paying taxes. The average refugee could be a better asset to this country than the average tax dodging offshore banking public funds embezzling tory cabinet minister. But then of course there would be no-one for the tories to point the finger at and say "never mind the billions that we've put in our own pockets, there's a bloke over there who gets £20 a month because we deliberately won't let him work". And that's completely aside from the fact that we, the UK, actually owe a moral debt to many of these refugees because it's us who have exported our wars to their countries. We are the ones who have bombed their homes, polluted their water and fields with our drilling and mining, allowed corrupt governments in the wake of the collapse of the British Empire. Because that means admitting Britain isn't Great. People would rather commit national self harm than do that. Destroy the lives of their children and communities rather than consider the true meaning of legacy and our current place in the world. (No, I'm not British, but I'm of British heritage. I'll take the blame too)
Wy are you to blame?
Because I have benefitted from the harm that has been committed both against others and my ancestors. I can act to make other people's lives better rather than hoarding resources and assuming that my fortune is earned rather than luck.
What action have you taken so far to atone for the sins of your ancestors?
I've been involved in campaigns, fundraising, and initiatives since I was eleven years old, but that's usually shouted down as virtue signalling
(I also said my ancestors were victims of this - my ancestors were the smarter half of the Irish diaspora who had the British pay for them to fuck off to a place where they weren't starving )
I’m part Irish too. I don’t dwell on it to be honest. I’ve got better things to do and prefer to work for a living.
What does employment have to do with the price of tea in China?
I don’t feel that being part Irish makes me part victim. Should I?
You may feel however you like. As do I. I think you attach much more to this that I do. I just want to ensure that people who are harmed by historic injustices have a better go of life in the future.
I can recognise historic harms to displaced and marginalised people, work on that, run my own business, walk, and even chew gum. All at once. Magic.
I don’t attach anything to it at all.
Who has been harmed by historic injustices? Jay-Z? Obama? Will you be handing all your belongings to Beyoncé as penance?
I will probably spend more time working on someone who takes the topic slightly more seriously than this. But ta.
True. I’m only 25% Irish so am not that high in the oppression stakes. And 75% English which makes me both oppressed and oppressor! So conflicted! Maybe I should give myself some handouts!"Irish people have been campaigning for handouts, have they? I don’t recall any demands for handouts wien I grew up in Ireland. | |||
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"Lots of pledges and promises from the politicians and parties before the election and more chaotic scenes on French beaches today. One approach can be. Stop all of UK patrol and rescue boats in the Chanel and process those who make to the beaches and 100 per cent zero public support from government, zero housing and benefits and charities the only support. End of.. Or how about this country admits that it has a shortage of workers, and instead of spending vast amounts of money to prevent refugees from having jobs and earning money for themselves, we just let them take the jobs that none of us lot will do? Which is not just shitty manual graft, we've got vacancies all across the board. Then instead of forcing refugees to be a burden, they can be valuable members of society, earning their own way, creating wealth for the country, paying taxes. The average refugee could be a better asset to this country than the average tax dodging offshore banking public funds embezzling tory cabinet minister. But then of course there would be no-one for the tories to point the finger at and say "never mind the billions that we've put in our own pockets, there's a bloke over there who gets £20 a month because we deliberately won't let him work". And that's completely aside from the fact that we, the UK, actually owe a moral debt to many of these refugees because it's us who have exported our wars to their countries. We are the ones who have bombed their homes, polluted their water and fields with our drilling and mining, allowed corrupt governments in the wake of the collapse of the British Empire. Because that means admitting Britain isn't Great. People would rather commit national self harm than do that. Destroy the lives of their children and communities rather than consider the true meaning of legacy and our current place in the world. (No, I'm not British, but I'm of British heritage. I'll take the blame too)
Wy are you to blame?
Because I have benefitted from the harm that has been committed both against others and my ancestors. I can act to make other people's lives better rather than hoarding resources and assuming that my fortune is earned rather than luck.
What action have you taken so far to atone for the sins of your ancestors?
I've been involved in campaigns, fundraising, and initiatives since I was eleven years old, but that's usually shouted down as virtue signalling
(I also said my ancestors were victims of this - my ancestors were the smarter half of the Irish diaspora who had the British pay for them to fuck off to a place where they weren't starving )
I’m part Irish too. I don’t dwell on it to be honest. I’ve got better things to do and prefer to work for a living.
What does employment have to do with the price of tea in China?
I don’t feel that being part Irish makes me part victim. Should I?
You may feel however you like. As do I. I think you attach much more to this that I do. I just want to ensure that people who are harmed by historic injustices have a better go of life in the future.
I can recognise historic harms to displaced and marginalised people, work on that, run my own business, walk, and even chew gum. All at once. Magic.
I don’t attach anything to it at all.
Who has been harmed by historic injustices? Jay-Z? Obama? Will you be handing all your belongings to Beyoncé as penance?
I will probably spend more time working on someone who takes the topic slightly more seriously than this. But ta.
True. I’m only 25% Irish so am not that high in the oppression stakes. And 75% English which makes me both oppressed and oppressor! So conflicted! Maybe I should give myself some handouts!
Irish people have been campaigning for handouts, have they?
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"Lots of pledges and promises from the politicians and parties before the election and more chaotic scenes on French beaches today. One approach can be. Stop all of UK patrol and rescue boats in the Chanel and process those who make to the beaches and 100 per cent zero public support from government, zero housing and benefits and charities the only support. End of.. Or how about this country admits that it has a shortage of workers, and instead of spending vast amounts of money to prevent refugees from having jobs and earning money for themselves, we just let them take the jobs that none of us lot will do? Which is not just shitty manual graft, we've got vacancies all across the board. Then instead of forcing refugees to be a burden, they can be valuable members of society, earning their own way, creating wealth for the country, paying taxes. The average refugee could be a better asset to this country than the average tax dodging offshore banking public funds embezzling tory cabinet minister. But then of course there would be no-one for the tories to point the finger at and say "never mind the billions that we've put in our own pockets, there's a bloke over there who gets £20 a month because we deliberately won't let him work". And that's completely aside from the fact that we, the UK, actually owe a moral debt to many of these refugees because it's us who have exported our wars to their countries. We are the ones who have bombed their homes, polluted their water and fields with our drilling and mining, allowed corrupt governments in the wake of the collapse of the British Empire. Because that means admitting Britain isn't Great. People would rather commit national self harm than do that. Destroy the lives of their children and communities rather than consider the true meaning of legacy and our current place in the world. (No, I'm not British, but I'm of British heritage. I'll take the blame too)
Wy are you to blame?
Because I have benefitted from the harm that has been committed both against others and my ancestors. I can act to make other people's lives better rather than hoarding resources and assuming that my fortune is earned rather than luck.
What action have you taken so far to atone for the sins of your ancestors?
I've been involved in campaigns, fundraising, and initiatives since I was eleven years old, but that's usually shouted down as virtue signalling
(I also said my ancestors were victims of this - my ancestors were the smarter half of the Irish diaspora who had the British pay for them to fuck off to a place where they weren't starving )
I’m part Irish too. I don’t dwell on it to be honest. I’ve got better things to do and prefer to work for a living.
What does employment have to do with the price of tea in China?
He reckons 100% forumites are on welfare (which obviously includes him). I cannot remember what thread though.
I think you need to re-read my posts on which you keep going on about this “100%” thing. My actual point was that a significant percentage of people on this forum expressing support for Labour are beneficiaries of state largesse hence their support for Labour. Their expectation being that the Labour government will reward their votes with some more pork.
I’m sure that isn’t the case with you though, so maybe my 100% estimation should be lowered to 99%?"It could be I misinterpreted your post. I am not on welfare but I should get PIP (which is not relevant to which party is in govt). | |||
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"From your profile "I am a fun friendly guy" Unless you're in a boat in distress in which case I will enjoy watching you slowly die Are "they coming over here stealing your jobs" or "having sky tv paid for by the council" Can you elaborate for us on where this hatred of others come from friendly guy? Lots of pledges and promises from the politicians and parties before the election and more chaotic scenes on French beaches today. One approach can be. Stop all of UK patrol and rescue boats in the Chanel and process those who make to the beaches and 100 per cent zero public support from government, zero housing and benefits and charities the only support. End of.. " Don't bite. | |||
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"Of course, anything other than total support for boat refugees is racist, but an article in the New Statesman a while ago took my notice. According to government figures, 90% of the refugees are adult males. How is it that the countries they're escaping from are dangerous to adult males, but somehow safe for women and children? The other thing I noticed is that all the countries listed as being where most refugees are from are Islam ruled. Is the disparity between the male/female ratio due to misogyny? It concerns me slightly that if this is the case, those poor refugees, the adult male ones, will be bringing more unwanted misogyny to this country. " They have set out to cross umpteen different borders on there way to the free English land of milk and honey. They don’t bring their wives and children along, as they might hold them back. Once they are here, and have secured accommodation, free health care, benefits etc, they might send for them. But they have left them in refugee camps or in countries where we are meant to believe are dangerous. I feel sorry for those that are left behind, because they don’t seem to be getting so much as a thought. | |||
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"Seems I need to brush up on my understanding of the word colonisation. I didn’t realise it meant poor people coming into a country empty-handed and starting at the bottom. Some throwing of dictionaries at heads may well be in need." You're not wrong ... but I'd like to thrown some history books too!!! “We learn from history and experience that mankind learns nothing from history and experience.“ If we did, we might recognise that people don't migrate because they are happy with their lot. They migrate because they feel they have nothing. The Mayflower was a small ship, about 100 feet long, carrying 102 people plus crew. I'm pretty sure that didn't leave much room for worldly goods and possessions. And I don't suppose £10 poms were called that because they were wealthy. But that's just me guessing... | |||
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"Of course, anything other than total support for boat refugees is racist, but an article in the New Statesman a while ago took my notice. According to government figures, 90% of the refugees are adult males. How is it that the countries they're escaping from are dangerous to adult males, but somehow safe for women and children? The other thing I noticed is that all the countries listed as being where most refugees are from are Islam ruled. Is the disparity between the male/female ratio due to misogyny? It concerns me slightly that if this is the case, those poor refugees, the adult male ones, will be bringing more unwanted misogyny to this country. They have set out to cross umpteen different borders on there way to the free English land of milk and honey. They don’t bring their wives and children along, as they might hold them back. Once they are here, and have secured accommodation, free health care, benefits etc, they might send for them. But they have left them in refugee camps or in countries where we are meant to believe are dangerous. I feel sorry for those that are left behind, because they don’t seem to be getting so much as a thought." Clueless. | |||
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"Of course, anything other than total support for boat refugees is racist, but an article in the New Statesman a while ago took my notice. According to government figures, 90% of the refugees are adult males. How is it that the countries they're escaping from are dangerous to adult males, but somehow safe for women and children? The other thing I noticed is that all the countries listed as being where most refugees are from are Islam ruled. Is the disparity between the male/female ratio due to misogyny? It concerns me slightly that if this is the case, those poor refugees, the adult male ones, will be bringing more unwanted misogyny to this country. They have set out to cross umpteen different borders on there way to the free English land of milk and honey. They don’t bring their wives and children along, as they might hold them back. Once they are here, and have secured accommodation, free health care, benefits etc, they might send for them. But they have left them in refugee camps or in countries where we are meant to believe are dangerous. I feel sorry for those that are left behind, because they don’t seem to be getting so much as a thought. Clueless." Clueless but an interesting insight as to why Reform are performing so well in the polls. | |||
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"Of course, anything other than total support for boat refugees is racist, but an article in the New Statesman a while ago took my notice. According to government figures, 90% of the refugees are adult males. How is it that the countries they're escaping from are dangerous to adult males, but somehow safe for women and children? The other thing I noticed is that all the countries listed as being where most refugees are from are Islam ruled. Is the disparity between the male/female ratio due to misogyny? It concerns me slightly that if this is the case, those poor refugees, the adult male ones, will be bringing more unwanted misogyny to this country. They have set out to cross umpteen different borders on there way to the free English land of milk and honey. They don’t bring their wives and children along, as they might hold them back. Once they are here, and have secured accommodation, free health care, benefits etc, they might send for them. But they have left them in refugee camps or in countries where we are meant to believe are dangerous. I feel sorry for those that are left behind, because they don’t seem to be getting so much as a thought. Clueless. Clueless but an interesting insight as to why Reform are performing so well in the polls." I have some sympathy with the refugees. Life in France under Macron has become unbearable. It’s an understandable conclusion to reach. Maybe under Le Pen things will improve and they will start moving back to France. | |||
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"Of course, anything other than total support for boat refugees is racist, but an article in the New Statesman a while ago took my notice. According to government figures, 90% of the refugees are adult males. How is it that the countries they're escaping from are dangerous to adult males, but somehow safe for women and children? The other thing I noticed is that all the countries listed as being where most refugees are from are Islam ruled. Is the disparity between the male/female ratio due to misogyny? It concerns me slightly that if this is the case, those poor refugees, the adult male ones, will be bringing more unwanted misogyny to this country. They have set out to cross umpteen different borders on there way to the free English land of milk and honey. They don’t bring their wives and children along, as they might hold them back. Once they are here, and have secured accommodation, free health care, benefits etc, they might send for them. But they have left them in refugee camps or in countries where we are meant to believe are dangerous. I feel sorry for those that are left behind, because they don’t seem to be getting so much as a thought. Clueless." Not sure it is clueless. On Tuesday 880 economic migrants landed by boat in one day. Where exactly do we put these people? If they are refugees then a refugee camp and if economic migrants then their homeland and if economic migsnts pretending to be be refugees or adults pretending to be children then Rwanda.. | |||
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"Of course, anything other than total support for boat refugees is racist, but an article in the New Statesman a while ago took my notice. According to government figures, 90% of the refugees are adult males. How is it that the countries they're escaping from are dangerous to adult males, but somehow safe for women and children? The other thing I noticed is that all the countries listed as being where most refugees are from are Islam ruled. Is the disparity between the male/female ratio due to misogyny? It concerns me slightly that if this is the case, those poor refugees, the adult male ones, will be bringing more unwanted misogyny to this country. They have set out to cross umpteen different borders on there way to the free English land of milk and honey. They don’t bring their wives and children along, as they might hold them back. Once they are here, and have secured accommodation, free health care, benefits etc, they might send for them. But they have left them in refugee camps or in countries where we are meant to believe are dangerous. I feel sorry for those that are left behind, because they don’t seem to be getting so much as a thought. Clueless. Clueless but an interesting insight as to why Reform are performing so well in the polls." I think ppl are fed up with mass migration arnt you ? | |||
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"I think ppl are fed up with mass migration arnt you ? How do you define "mass migration"?" When lots of wildebeest migrate across the African Savanah. | |||
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"I think ppl are fed up with mass migration arnt you ? How do you define "mass migration"? When lots of wildebeest migrate across the African Savanah." Visions of a KFC down the road announcing a 90% price drop! | |||
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"I think ppl are fed up with mass migration arnt you ? How do you define "mass migration"? When lots of wildebeest migrate across the African Savanah. Visions of a KFC down the road announcing a 90% price drop!" Or Taylor Swift buying £450 of Kebabs? | |||
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"So then ive got the paperwork all sorted who wants to take the odd migrant in and give them shelter and a loving home??? " Do you support homeless veterans? I’ve sorted the paperwork, when do you want your lodger? Do you support cancer research? Great, there’s a widow and five kids coming your way! Animal charities? When do you want your badger and goat? Supporting refugees or immigrants doesn’t mean you want to share a house with them. I love my parents, but fucked if I want to live with them. People really ought to stop trotting out this “they can live with you” argument. Gbat | |||
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"So then ive got the paperwork all sorted who wants to take the odd migrant in and give them shelter and a loving home??? Do you support homeless veterans? I’ve sorted the paperwork, when do you want your lodger? Do you support cancer research? Great, there’s a widow and five kids coming your way! Animal charities? When do you want your badger and goat? Supporting refugees or immigrants doesn’t mean you want to share a house with them. I love my parents, but fucked if I want to live with them. People really ought to stop trotting out this “they can live with you” argument. Gbat " Do these people really think that the only options are. 1. Traffic humans to Rwanda. 2. Non-xenophobic people have to make space for them at their gaff. Literally no other possible options. | |||
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"I think ppl are fed up with mass migration arnt you ? How do you define "mass migration"? When lots of wildebeest migrate across the African Savanah. Visions of a KFC down the road announcing a 90% price drop! Or Taylor Swift buying £450 of Kebabs?" Or just Taylor Swift. | |||
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"So then ive got the paperwork all sorted who wants to take the odd migrant in and give them shelter and a loving home??? Do you support homeless veterans? I’ve sorted the paperwork, when do you want your lodger? Do you support cancer research? Great, there’s a widow and five kids coming your way! Animal charities? When do you want your badger and goat? Supporting refugees or immigrants doesn’t mean you want to share a house with them. I love my parents, but fucked if I want to live with them. People really ought to stop trotting out this “they can live with you” argument. Gbat Do these people really think that the only options are. 1. Traffic humans to Rwanda. 2. Non-xenophobic people have to make space for them at their gaff. Literally no other possible options. " Some don't want solutions. I would like to see more unilateral push back on the countries they are fleeing from. And where necessary, regime change. If that regime cannot protect their own citizenry, then it needs dealing with and pressure applied so that it stops persecuting them. The moment they started harming their people, is the moment they need to be called to account. Solve the issue at the root. | |||
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"So then ive got the paperwork all sorted who wants to take the odd migrant in and give them shelter and a loving home??? Do you support homeless veterans? I’ve sorted the paperwork, when do you want your lodger? Do you support cancer research? Great, there’s a widow and five kids coming your way! Animal charities? When do you want your badger and goat? Supporting refugees or immigrants doesn’t mean you want to share a house with them. I love my parents, but fucked if I want to live with them. People really ought to stop trotting out this “they can live with you” argument. Gbat Do these people really think that the only options are. 1. Traffic humans to Rwanda. 2. Non-xenophobic people have to make space for them at their gaff. Literally no other possible options. Some don't want solutions. I would like to see more unilateral push back on the countries they are fleeing from. And where necessary, regime change. If that regime cannot protect their own citizenry, then it needs dealing with and pressure applied so that it stops persecuting them. The moment they started harming their people, is the moment they need to be called to account. Solve the issue at the root." Regime change around the world has caused most of the problems we have today, I don't know the answer myself, But the people at the top, the elites don't care if there "commodities" are suffering and get moved around the world as long as they make money and still in power | |||
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"So then ive got the paperwork all sorted who wants to take the odd migrant in and give them shelter and a loving home??? Do you support homeless veterans? I’ve sorted the paperwork, when do you want your lodger? Do you support cancer research? Great, there’s a widow and five kids coming your way! Animal charities? When do you want your badger and goat? Supporting refugees or immigrants doesn’t mean you want to share a house with them. I love my parents, but fucked if I want to live with them. People really ought to stop trotting out this “they can live with you” argument. Gbat Do these people really think that the only options are. 1. Traffic humans to Rwanda. 2. Non-xenophobic people have to make space for them at their gaff. Literally no other possible options. Some don't want solutions. I would like to see more unilateral push back on the countries they are fleeing from. And where necessary, regime change. If that regime cannot protect their own citizenry, then it needs dealing with and pressure applied so that it stops persecuting them. The moment they started harming their people, is the moment they need to be called to account. Solve the issue at the root." It would be good if they did not have to flee in the first place (those that are genuine). Are you suggesting the UK somehow helps bring about regime change in other countries. | |||
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"From your profile "I am a fun friendly guy" Unless you're in a boat in distress in which case I will enjoy watching you slowly die Are "they coming over here stealing your jobs" or "having sky tv paid for by the council" Can you elaborate for us on where this hatred of others come from friendly guy? " I'm not sure you're in a position to question anyones 'hatred' when you clearly say you'll enjoy watching someone slowly die... Is this another case of the 'tolerant' left striking again? | |||
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"From your profile "I am a fun friendly guy" Unless you're in a boat in distress in which case I will enjoy watching you slowly die Are "they coming over here stealing your jobs" or "having sky tv paid for by the council" Can you elaborate for us on where this hatred of others come from friendly guy? I'm not sure you're in a position to question anyones 'hatred' when you clearly say you'll enjoy watching someone slowly die... Is this another case of the 'tolerant' left striking again?" Sadly it's the woke left causing the rise of the right in Europe. The wild left have much to learn and much to answer for... | |||
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"Lots of pledges and promises from the politicians and parties before the election and more chaotic scenes on French beaches today. One approach can be. Stop all of UK patrol and rescue boats in the Chanel and process those who make to the beaches and 100 per cent zero public support from government, zero housing and benefits and charities the only support. End of.. " Tantamount to passionately screaming “I AM CURED MEAT” | |||
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"So then ive got the paperwork all sorted who wants to take the odd migrant in and give them shelter and a loving home??? Do you support homeless veterans? I’ve sorted the paperwork, when do you want your lodger? Do you support cancer research? Great, there’s a widow and five kids coming your way! Animal charities? When do you want your badger and goat? Supporting refugees or immigrants doesn’t mean you want to share a house with them. I love my parents, but fucked if I want to live with them. People really ought to stop trotting out this “they can live with you” argument. Gbat " i agree not enough is done for those categories of people either but the OP is about the boat people that people want to help so much, as long as they aren't in there home/neighbourhood ect. If the government said tmz that every single household with a spare room has to take in either a vet or dingy diver i can imagine the uproar now lol (shut the boarders build walls send em back) is what you would all be saying, not poor things fleeing worn torn countries | |||
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"So then ive got the paperwork all sorted who wants to take the odd migrant in and give them shelter and a loving home??? Do you support homeless veterans? I’ve sorted the paperwork, when do you want your lodger? Do you support cancer research? Great, there’s a widow and five kids coming your way! Animal charities? When do you want your badger and goat? Supporting refugees or immigrants doesn’t mean you want to share a house with them. I love my parents, but fucked if I want to live with them. People really ought to stop trotting out this “they can live with you” argument. Gbat i agree not enough is done for those categories of people either but the OP is about the boat people that people want to help so much, as long as they aren't in there home/neighbourhood ect. If the government said tmz that every single household with a spare room has to take in either a vet or dingy diver i can imagine the uproar now lol (shut the boarders build walls send em back) is what you would all be saying, not poor things fleeing worn torn countries " They have actually arrived here after traveling through multiple safe EU countries. They didn’t settle in them because they haven’t got our benefits system. So come on Nigel, turn em round and send them back to France. | |||
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"So then ive got the paperwork all sorted who wants to take the odd migrant in and give them shelter and a loving home??? Do you support homeless veterans? I’ve sorted the paperwork, when do you want your lodger? Do you support cancer research? Great, there’s a widow and five kids coming your way! Animal charities? When do you want your badger and goat? Supporting refugees or immigrants doesn’t mean you want to share a house with them. I love my parents, but fucked if I want to live with them. People really ought to stop trotting out this “they can live with you” argument. Gbat i agree not enough is done for those categories of people either but the OP is about the boat people that people want to help so much, as long as they aren't in there home/neighbourhood ect. If the government said tmz that every single household with a spare room has to take in either a vet or dingy diver i can imagine the uproar now lol (shut the boarders build walls send em back) is what you would all be saying, not poor things fleeing worn torn countries " Was ‘boarders’ an intentional typo for the spare room bantz or is it an accidental pronunciation pun? | |||
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"So then ive got the paperwork all sorted who wants to take the odd migrant in and give them shelter and a loving home??? Do you support homeless veterans? I’ve sorted the paperwork, when do you want your lodger? Do you support cancer research? Great, there’s a widow and five kids coming your way! Animal charities? When do you want your badger and goat? Supporting refugees or immigrants doesn’t mean you want to share a house with them. I love my parents, but fucked if I want to live with them. People really ought to stop trotting out this “they can live with you” argument. Gbat i agree not enough is done for those categories of people either but the OP is about the boat people that people want to help so much, as long as they aren't in there home/neighbourhood ect. If the government said tmz that every single household with a spare room has to take in either a vet or dingy diver i can imagine the uproar now lol (shut the boarders build walls send em back) is what you would all be saying, not poor things fleeing worn torn countries They have actually arrived here after traveling through multiple safe EU countries. They didn’t settle in them because they haven’t got our benefits system. So come on Nigel, turn em round and send them back to France." Exactly. People smugglers can just transport their 'clients' and dinghies (sourced in Turkey) across multiple countries thanks to the EU's insane open borders obsession. But in doing so, have compromised the safety of an entire continent. | |||
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"Of course, anything other than total support for boat refugees is racist, but an article in the New Statesman a while ago took my notice. According to government figures, 90% of the refugees are adult males. How is it that the countries they're escaping from are dangerous to adult males, but somehow safe for women and children? The other thing I noticed is that all the countries listed as being where most refugees are from are Islam ruled. Is the disparity between the male/female ratio due to misogyny? It concerns me slightly that if this is the case, those poor refugees, the adult male ones, will be bringing more unwanted misogyny to this country. the nationality table can change quite quickly. ATM Vietnam tops it (year to date). Not sure what has changed. It's Buddhist tho i believe. " https://news.sky.com/story/the-deadly-migrant-routes-from-vietnam-to-europe-and-why-people-are-willing-to-take-the-risk-13154894 Here is an article on Vietnamese immigration (illegal, in this case, by all definitions) to the UK. Nothing to do with religion or oppression. | |||
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"So then ive got the paperwork all sorted who wants to take the odd migrant in and give them shelter and a loving home??? Do you support homeless veterans? I’ve sorted the paperwork, when do you want your lodger? Do you support cancer research? Great, there’s a widow and five kids coming your way! Animal charities? When do you want your badger and goat? Supporting refugees or immigrants doesn’t mean you want to share a house with them. I love my parents, but fucked if I want to live with them. People really ought to stop trotting out this “they can live with you” argument. Gbat i agree not enough is done for those categories of people either but the OP is about the boat people that people want to help so much, as long as they aren't in there home/neighbourhood ect. If the government said tmz that every single household with a spare room has to take in either a vet or dingy diver i can imagine the uproar now lol (shut the boarders build walls send em back) is what you would all be saying, not poor things fleeing worn torn countries They have actually arrived here after traveling through multiple safe EU countries. They didn’t settle in them because they haven’t got our benefits system. So come on Nigel, turn em round and send them back to France." Nigel? Nigel has zero intention of ever being in power, ever having responsibility, or ever actually doing anything. | |||
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"So then ive got the paperwork all sorted who wants to take the odd migrant in and give them shelter and a loving home??? Do you support homeless veterans? I’ve sorted the paperwork, when do you want your lodger? Do you support cancer research? Great, there’s a widow and five kids coming your way! Animal charities? When do you want your badger and goat? Supporting refugees or immigrants doesn’t mean you want to share a house with them. I love my parents, but fucked if I want to live with them. People really ought to stop trotting out this “they can live with you” argument. Gbat " Well put! | |||
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"So then ive got the paperwork all sorted who wants to take the odd migrant in and give them shelter and a loving home??? Do you support homeless veterans? I’ve sorted the paperwork, when do you want your lodger? Do you support cancer research? Great, there’s a widow and five kids coming your way! Animal charities? When do you want your badger and goat? Supporting refugees or immigrants doesn’t mean you want to share a house with them. I love my parents, but fucked if I want to live with them. People really ought to stop trotting out this “they can live with you” argument. Gbat " You're 100% right when it comes to crazy arguments demanding that people open their homes to random strangers. Nevertheless, there are people in affected communities who bristle at those who campaign or advocate for asylum seekers/illegal immigrants but never have to live with the associated difficulties. This caused immense anger in Sweden, where immigration largely affected those in lower and middle income areas, whereas the policymakers themselves rarely, if ever, had to live with the difficulty of integrating their new guests. This is also a major issue in border states in the USA, which are now mostly anti-immigration, whereas the most pro-immigration states are those least affected. Texas famously started bussing immigrants directly to those states, which caused serious consternation - the point being that it's easy to moralise when you don't need to live with the consequences. Closer to home, people in Kent are often concerned about how asylum seekers are housed. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4nny63jj84o We need to listen to those with genuine concerns, who live through the issues. If we ignore them, we invite a backlash and end up fueling the anti-immigration and racist bonfire. | |||
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"So then ive got the paperwork all sorted who wants to take the odd migrant in and give them shelter and a loving home??? Do you support homeless veterans? I’ve sorted the paperwork, when do you want your lodger? Do you support cancer research? Great, there’s a widow and five kids coming your way! Animal charities? When do you want your badger and goat? Supporting refugees or immigrants doesn’t mean you want to share a house with them. I love my parents, but fucked if I want to live with them. People really ought to stop trotting out this “they can live with you” argument. Gbat You're 100% right when it comes to crazy arguments demanding that people open their homes to random strangers. Nevertheless, there are people in affected communities who bristle at those who campaign or advocate for asylum seekers/illegal immigrants but never have to live with the associated difficulties. This caused immense anger in Sweden, where immigration largely affected those in lower and middle income areas, whereas the policymakers themselves rarely, if ever, had to live with the difficulty of integrating their new guests. This is also a major issue in border states in the USA, which are now mostly anti-immigration, whereas the most pro-immigration states are those least affected. Texas famously started bussing immigrants directly to those states, which caused serious consternation - the point being that it's easy to moralise when you don't need to live with the consequences. Closer to home, people in Kent are often concerned about how asylum seekers are housed. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4nny63jj84o We need to listen to those with genuine concerns, who live through the issues. If we ignore them, we invite a backlash and end up fueling the anti-immigration and racist bonfire." Tom could not have put it better | |||
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"So then ive got the paperwork all sorted who wants to take the odd migrant in and give them shelter and a loving home??? Do you support homeless veterans? I’ve sorted the paperwork, when do you want your lodger? Do you support cancer research? Great, there’s a widow and five kids coming your way! Animal charities? When do you want your badger and goat? Supporting refugees or immigrants doesn’t mean you want to share a house with them. I love my parents, but fucked if I want to live with them. People really ought to stop trotting out this “they can live with you” argument. Gbat You're 100% right when it comes to crazy arguments demanding that people open their homes to random strangers. Nevertheless, there are people in affected communities who bristle at those who campaign or advocate for asylum seekers/illegal immigrants but never have to live with the associated difficulties. This caused immense anger in Sweden, where immigration largely affected those in lower and middle income areas, whereas the policymakers themselves rarely, if ever, had to live with the difficulty of integrating their new guests. This is also a major issue in border states in the USA, which are now mostly anti-immigration, whereas the most pro-immigration states are those least affected. Texas famously started bussing immigrants directly to those states, which caused serious consternation - the point being that it's easy to moralise when you don't need to live with the consequences. Closer to home, people in Kent are often concerned about how asylum seekers are housed. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4nny63jj84o We need to listen to those with genuine concerns, who live through the issues. If we ignore them, we invite a backlash and end up fueling the anti-immigration and racist bonfire. Tom could not have put it better" Tom never does  | |||
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"From your profile "I am a fun friendly guy" Unless you're in a boat in distress in which case I will enjoy watching you slowly die Are "they coming over here stealing your jobs" or "having sky tv paid for by the council" Can you elaborate for us on where this hatred of others come from friendly guy? I'm not sure you're in a position to question anyones 'hatred' when you clearly say you'll enjoy watching someone slowly die... Is this another case of the 'tolerant' left striking again?" I think all of that poster's post was quoting Tom's post, albeit poorly. | |||
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"So then ive got the paperwork all sorted who wants to take the odd migrant in and give them shelter and a loving home??? Do you support homeless veterans? I’ve sorted the paperwork, when do you want your lodger? Do you support cancer research? Great, there’s a widow and five kids coming your way! Animal charities? When do you want your badger and goat? Supporting refugees or immigrants doesn’t mean you want to share a house with them. I love my parents, but fucked if I want to live with them. People really ought to stop trotting out this “they can live with you” argument. Gbat You're 100% right when it comes to crazy arguments demanding that people open their homes to random strangers. Nevertheless, there are people in affected communities who bristle at those who campaign or advocate for asylum seekers/illegal immigrants but never have to live with the associated difficulties. This caused immense anger in Sweden, where immigration largely affected those in lower and middle income areas, whereas the policymakers themselves rarely, if ever, had to live with the difficulty of integrating their new guests. This is also a major issue in border states in the USA, which are now mostly anti-immigration, whereas the most pro-immigration states are those least affected. Texas famously started bussing immigrants directly to those states, which caused serious consternation - the point being that it's easy to moralise when you don't need to live with the consequences. Closer to home, people in Kent are often concerned about how asylum seekers are housed. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4nny63jj84o We need to listen to those with genuine concerns, who live through the issues. If we ignore them, we invite a backlash and end up fueling the anti-immigration and racist bonfire. Tom could not have put it better Tom never does " | |||
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" Supporting refugees or immigrants doesn’t mean you want to share a house with them. I love my parents, but fucked if I want to live with them. People really ought to stop trotting out this “they can live with you” argument. Gbat " If you love your parents and your parents need a place to live or some kind of old age support, at the very least, you pay for their living and you pay for someone to look after them if you don't want to live with them and take care of them yourself. If you are a genuinely compassionate about refugees, you must pay your own money to take care of the refugees. When we say "Why don't you take them in your home?", it doesn't have to be your home. You can find another home and pay for it. While you are at it, also ensure that they don't cause trouble to their neighbours. Take responsibility if they commit any crime. Lecturing people online about compassion towards refugees doesn't make you compassionate. Asking/Forcing the government to do something about refugees doesn't make you compassionate. It's compassion only when you make personal sacrifice for the cause. But unfortunately most lefties on the internet think that virtue signalling on the internet and getting the state to collect tax from other people to do something makes them compassionate. They are neither virtuous nor compassionate. | |||
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" Supporting refugees or immigrants doesn’t mean you want to share a house with them. I love my parents, but fucked if I want to live with them. People really ought to stop trotting out this “they can live with you” argument. Gbat If you love your parents and your parents need a place to live or some kind of old age support, at the very least, you pay for their living and you pay for someone to look after them if you don't want to live with them and take care of them yourself. If you are a genuinely compassionate about refugees, you must pay your own money to take care of the refugees. When we say "Why don't you take them in your home?", it doesn't have to be your home. You can find another home and pay for it. While you are at it, also ensure that they don't cause trouble to their neighbours. Take responsibility if they commit any crime. Lecturing people online about compassion towards refugees doesn't make you compassionate. Asking/Forcing the government to do something about refugees doesn't make you compassionate. It's compassion only when you make personal sacrifice for the cause. But unfortunately most lefties on the internet think that virtue signalling on the internet and getting the state to collect tax from other people to do something makes them compassionate. They are neither virtuous nor compassionate." | |||
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