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"From The Times: “Reform candidate standing in Kemi Badenoch's constituency says he will resign after comments emerged in which he called on people to vote for BNP Grant StClair-Armstrong is standing against Badenoch in North West Essex In 2010 he said 'I could weep now, every time I pick up a British newspaper and read the latest about the state of the UK. No doubt, Enoch Powell would be doing the same if he was alive. My solution … vote BNP!'” It’s a mystery how so many racists end up standing for Reform, I just can’t understand how it happens." If he wants people to vote BNP, why is he a reform candidate? Wasn't it disbanded? Or am I confusing it with something else? | |||
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"From The Times: “Reform candidate standing in Kemi Badenoch's constituency says he will resign after comments emerged in which he called on people to vote for BNP Grant StClair-Armstrong is standing against Badenoch in North West Essex In 2010 he said 'I could weep now, every time I pick up a British newspaper and read the latest about the state of the UK. No doubt, Enoch Powell would be doing the same if he was alive. My solution … vote BNP!'” It’s a mystery how so many racists end up standing for Reform, I just can’t understand how it happens." I don't get it, what's the problem? | |||
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"If he wants people to vote BNP, why is he a reform candidate?" He encouraged people to vote BNP 14 years ago, when Reform didn't exist. | |||
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"If he wants people to vote BNP, why is he a reform candidate? He encouraged people to vote BNP 14 years ago, when Reform didn't exist." Ah I see, I read it wrong. Ta muchly. | |||
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"From The Times: “Reform candidate standing in Kemi Badenoch's constituency says he will resign after comments emerged in which he called on people to vote for BNP Grant StClair-Armstrong is standing against Badenoch in North West Essex In 2010 he said 'I could weep now, every time I pick up a British newspaper and read the latest about the state of the UK. No doubt, Enoch Powell would be doing the same if he was alive. My solution … vote BNP!'” It’s a mystery how so many racists end up standing for Reform, I just can’t understand how it happens." so he said that 14 yrs ago wow cut of his head lol | |||
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"From The Times: “Reform candidate standing in Kemi Badenoch's constituency says he will resign after comments emerged in which he called on people to vote for BNP Grant StClair-Armstrong is standing against Badenoch in North West Essex In 2010 he said 'I could weep now, every time I pick up a British newspaper and read the latest about the state of the UK. No doubt, Enoch Powell would be doing the same if he was alive. My solution … vote BNP!'” It’s a mystery how so many racists end up standing for Reform, I just can’t understand how it happens.so he said that 14 yrs ago wow cut of his head lol " A clear racist, he understands his position and has resigned. He will never be seen in the mainstream political arena again, thankfully. | |||
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"Why all the angst over Reform suddenly?" I don't get why this is a story. There's a gnats pube between Reform and BNP. | |||
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"A clear racist he said vote bnp 14 yrs ago I are a apple 14 yrs ago am I a vegan now then lol" I'm very careful about throwing labels around, as it devalues when used like confetti, however, having looked into this person (I knew nothing of him until now) the label of racist is correct. He knows this and has resigned. | |||
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"Why all the angst over Reform suddenly? I don't get why this is a story. There's a gnats pube between Reform and BNP." There's a gnats pube between Reform and the Tories too - but not in the way you probably meant (or maybe was?)  | |||
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"Why all the angst over Reform suddenly? I don't get why this is a story. There's a gnats pube between Reform and BNP." That is not true. | |||
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"Why all the angst over Reform suddenly? I don't get why this is a story. There's a gnats pube between Reform and BNP. There's a gnats pube between Reform and the Tories too - but not in the way you probably meant (or maybe was?) "So two gnats pubes between the Tories and BNP? | |||
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"Why all the angst over Reform suddenly? I don't get why this is a story. There's a gnats pube between Reform and BNP. That is not true." Okay, I don't actually know if the BNP are anti-science. | |||
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"Getting a bit worried by the level of knowledge on these forums about gnat’s pubes. Are we awash with degenerates who enjoy a form of micro beastiality? "A Gnat's pube (and also a Gnats cock) are well known British standards of measurement, known to all tradesmen of repute. | |||
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"Why all the angst over Reform suddenly? I don't get why this is a story. There's a gnats pube between Reform and BNP. There's a gnats pube between Reform and the Tories too - but not in the way you probably meant (or maybe was?)
So two gnats pubes between the Tories and BNP?"That sounds logical, if not scientific. | |||
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"Getting a bit worried by the level of knowledge on these forums about gnat’s pubes. Are we awash with degenerates who enjoy a form of micro beastiality?
A Gnat's pube (and also a Gnats cock) are well known British standards of measurement, known to all tradesmen of repute."Is that Imperial or Metric? | |||
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"Getting a bit worried by the level of knowledge on these forums about gnat’s pubes. Are we awash with degenerates who enjoy a form of micro beastiality?
A Gnat's pube (and also a Gnats cock) are well known British standards of measurement, known to all tradesmen of repute.
Is that Imperial or Metric?"It's the new beard-second | |||
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"Getting a bit worried by the level of knowledge on these forums about gnat’s pubes. Are we awash with degenerates who enjoy a form of micro beastiality?
A Gnat's pube (and also a Gnats cock) are well known British standards of measurement, known to all tradesmen of repute.
Is that Imperial or Metric?"Some people on Fab seem very censorious about things that people may have said in passing fifteen years ago. I don’t know why these critics are hiding their faces on here. Let’s see who they are and see what their families and employers think! | |||
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"Getting a bit worried by the level of knowledge on these forums about gnat’s pubes. Are we awash with degenerates who enjoy a form of micro beastiality?
A Gnat's pube (and also a Gnats cock) are well known British standards of measurement, known to all tradesmen of repute.
Is that Imperial or Metric?
Some people on Fab seem very censorious about things that people may have said in passing fifteen years ago.
I don’t know why these critics are hiding their faces on here. Let’s see who they are and see what their families and employers think!"You first | |||
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"Getting a bit worried by the level of knowledge on these forums about gnat’s pubes. Are we awash with degenerates who enjoy a form of micro beastiality?
A Gnat's pube (and also a Gnats cock) are well known British standards of measurement, known to all tradesmen of repute.
Is that Imperial or Metric?
Some people on Fab seem very censorious about things that people may have said in passing fifteen years ago.
I don’t know why these critics are hiding their faces on here. Let’s see who they are and see what their families and employers think!"What’s that got to do with gnat’s pubes? | |||
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"Getting a bit worried by the level of knowledge on these forums about gnat’s pubes. Are we awash with degenerates who enjoy a form of micro beastiality?
A Gnat's pube (and also a Gnats cock) are well known British standards of measurement, known to all tradesmen of repute.
Is that Imperial or Metric?
Some people on Fab seem very censorious about things that people may have said in passing fifteen years ago.
I don’t know why these critics are hiding their faces on here. Let’s see who they are and see what their families and employers think!"that's more a reflection on family and employees than anything ! I'm not ashamed to be sex positive but am careful who I share it with. Does this fella stand behind his views now they are public ? | |||
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"Vote Reform get Labou eeeerm Independent " Out of every argument presented in favour of voting Reform. This is by far the most coherent, logical, and well thought through.  | |||
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"Getting a bit worried by the level of knowledge on these forums about gnat’s pubes. Are we awash with degenerates who enjoy a form of micro beastiality?
A Gnat's pube (and also a Gnats cock) are well known British standards of measurement, known to all tradesmen of repute.
Is that Imperial or Metric?
Some people on Fab seem very censorious about things that people may have said in passing fifteen years ago.
I don’t know why these critics are hiding their faces on here. Let’s see who they are and see what their families and employers think!that's more a reflection on family and employees than anything !
I'm not ashamed to be sex positive but am careful who I share it with.
Does this fella stand behind his views now they are public ? "He is/was standing for Reform, so his views are pretty up front and centre. | |||
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"Getting a bit worried by the level of knowledge on these forums about gnat’s pubes. Are we awash with degenerates who enjoy a form of micro beastiality?
A Gnat's pube (and also a Gnats cock) are well known British standards of measurement, known to all tradesmen of repute.
Is that Imperial or Metric?
Some people on Fab seem very censorious about things that people may have said in passing fifteen years ago.
I don’t know why these critics are hiding their faces on here. Let’s see who they are and see what their families and employers think!that's more a reflection on family and employees than anything !
I'm not ashamed to be sex positive but am careful who I share it with.
Does this fella stand behind his views now they are public ? "Not at all. You should be the change. Be out and proud about who you are. | |||
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"A bit of a cliche, but people change. If everyone that supported the BNP 14 to 24 years ago were still the same, the BNP would still be relevant. Some went Labour and some went Tory, but they didn’t get the attention that they get if they join Reform. It might also be worth mentioning that Labour has a problem with Anti Semitism, and the Tories have Islamophobia. The Lib Dims just don’t like white British people…" People do change. A sideways move from BNP to Reform indicates that some haven't. | |||
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"A bit of a cliche, but people change. If everyone that supported the BNP 14 to 24 years ago were still the same, the BNP would still be relevant. Some went Labour and some went Tory, but they didn’t get the attention that they get if they join Reform. It might also be worth mentioning that Labour has a problem with Anti Semitism, and the Tories have Islamophobia. The Lib Dims just don’t like white British people… People do change. A sideways move from BNP to Reform indicates that some haven't. " Reform and the BNP have entirely different philosophies. The BNP is actually far closer to the Labour Party than to Reform. | |||
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"A bit of a cliche, but people change. If everyone that supported the BNP 14 to 24 years ago were still the same, the BNP would still be relevant. Some went Labour and some went Tory, but they didn’t get the attention that they get if they join Reform. It might also be worth mentioning that Labour has a problem with Anti Semitism, and the Tories have Islamophobia. The Lib Dims just don’t like white British people… People do change. A sideways move from BNP to Reform indicates that some haven't. Reform and the BNP have entirely different philosophies. The BNP is actually far closer to the Labour Party than to Reform." We've reached peak "what about Labour". 
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"A bit of a cliche, but people change. If everyone that supported the BNP 14 to 24 years ago were still the same, the BNP would still be relevant. Some went Labour and some went Tory, but they didn’t get the attention that they get if they join Reform. It might also be worth mentioning that Labour has a problem with Anti Semitism, and the Tories have Islamophobia. The Lib Dims just don’t like white British people… People do change. A sideways move from BNP to Reform indicates that some haven't. Reform and the BNP have entirely different philosophies. The BNP is actually far closer to the Labour Party than to Reform." Is it? In what ways? | |||
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"A bit of a cliche, but people change. If everyone that supported the BNP 14 to 24 years ago were still the same, the BNP would still be relevant. Some went Labour and some went Tory, but they didn’t get the attention that they get if they join Reform. It might also be worth mentioning that Labour has a problem with Anti Semitism, and the Tories have Islamophobia. The Lib Dims just don’t like white British people… People do change. A sideways move from BNP to Reform indicates that some haven't. Reform and the BNP have entirely different philosophies. The BNP is actually far closer to the Labour Party than to Reform. We've reached peak "what about Labour".
Bravo. "Yes indeed, "what about labour"? Are they the slightly-left-of-centre party led by 'good egg' SKS? Or closet commies controlled by UNISON/UNITE trade unions? Or a bit of both? We'll have to wait and see I guess. | |||
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"A bit of a cliche, but people change. If everyone that supported the BNP 14 to 24 years ago were still the same, the BNP would still be relevant. Some went Labour and some went Tory, but they didn’t get the attention that they get if they join Reform. It might also be worth mentioning that Labour has a problem with Anti Semitism, and the Tories have Islamophobia. The Lib Dims just don’t like white British people… People do change. A sideways move from BNP to Reform indicates that some haven't. Reform and the BNP have entirely different philosophies. The BNP is actually far closer to the Labour Party than to Reform. Is it? In what ways?" Reform (and the Brexit Party and UKIP before it) have a strong libertarian streak. A very high percentage of UKIP members were sole traders, a statistic which was often missed when people used to talk about UKIP. So its concerns tended to come more from a business angle, and particularly the interests and attitudes of small business people. The BNP was more of an authoritarian socialist outfit which didn’t have the strong business links. As of course is Labour. People on the Left tend to think of themselves as being tolerant but there has always been a strong authoritarian streak through socialism and communism, and that has actually got worse over the last five years or so. And of course Labour is also now pretty much an international globalist puppet organisation, aligned with the interests of big international business and international quangodom. | |||
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"A bit of a cliche, but people change. If everyone that supported the BNP 14 to 24 years ago were still the same, the BNP would still be relevant. Some went Labour and some went Tory, but they didn’t get the attention that they get if they join Reform. It might also be worth mentioning that Labour has a problem with Anti Semitism, and the Tories have Islamophobia. The Lib Dims just don’t like white British people… People do change. A sideways move from BNP to Reform indicates that some haven't. Reform and the BNP have entirely different philosophies. The BNP is actually far closer to the Labour Party than to Reform. Is it? In what ways? Reform (and the Brexit Party and UKIP before it) have a strong libertarian streak. A very high percentage of UKIP members were sole traders, a statistic which was often missed when people used to talk about UKIP. So its concerns tended to come more from a business angle, and particularly the interests and attitudes of small business people. The BNP was more of an authoritarian socialist outfit which didn’t have the strong business links. As of course is Labour. People on the Left tend to think of themselves as being tolerant but there has always been a strong authoritarian streak through socialism and communism, and that has actually got worse over the last five years or so. And of course Labour is also now pretty much an international globalist puppet organisation, aligned with the interests of big international business and international quangodom." Ooooookaaaaay. | |||
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"A bit of a cliche, but people change. If everyone that supported the BNP 14 to 24 years ago were still the same, the BNP would still be relevant. Some went Labour and some went Tory, but they didn’t get the attention that they get if they join Reform. It might also be worth mentioning that Labour has a problem with Anti Semitism, and the Tories have Islamophobia. The Lib Dims just don’t like white British people… People do change. A sideways move from BNP to Reform indicates that some haven't. Reform and the BNP have entirely different philosophies. The BNP is actually far closer to the Labour Party than to Reform. Is it? In what ways? Reform (and the Brexit Party and UKIP before it) have a strong libertarian streak. A very high percentage of UKIP members were sole traders, a statistic which was often missed when people used to talk about UKIP. So its concerns tended to come more from a business angle, and particularly the interests and attitudes of small business people. The BNP was more of an authoritarian socialist outfit which didn’t have the strong business links. As of course is Labour. People on the Left tend to think of themselves as being tolerant but there has always been a strong authoritarian streak through socialism and communism, and that has actually got worse over the last five years or so. And of course Labour is also now pretty much an international globalist puppet organisation, aligned with the interests of big international business and international quangodom. Ooooookaaaaay." Plus of course both the BNP and Labour have a deep vein of antisemitism running through them. UKIP had lots of Jewish members. I don’t know the figures for Reform but I’m sure it’s the same. Jews would have felt as welcome at BNP meetings as they would today at a Labour rally. | |||
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"Can you substantiate any of this nonsensical rambling or are you one of these people who thinks the Nazis were socialists?" I M U S T N O T G E T I N V O L V E D I N T H A T S U B J E C T | |||
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"Can you substantiate any of this nonsensical rambling or are you one of these people who thinks the Nazis were socialists? I M U S T N O T G E T I N V O L V E D I N T H A T S U B J E C T "You know you want to  | |||
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"Can you substantiate any of this nonsensical rambling or are you one of these people who thinks the Nazis were socialists?" You don’t know anything about conservative politics. So you just like shouting racist at people who disagree with you. It was tired five years ago. Now it is just laughable. | |||
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"Can you substantiate any of this nonsensical rambling or are you one of these people who thinks the Nazis were socialists? You don’t know anything about conservative politics. So you just like shouting racist at people who disagree with you. It was tired five years ago. Now it is just laughable." Do you think the Nazis were socialists? | |||
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"Can you substantiate any of this nonsensical rambling or are you one of these people who thinks the Nazis were socialists? You don’t know anything about conservative politics. So you just like shouting racist at people who disagree with you. It was tired five years ago. Now it is just laughable. Do you think the Nazis were socialists?" Well that’s what they called themselves. Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. The clue might be in the name. But what has that got to do with whether the Labour Party is antisemitic? I have made no mention of Nazis. Oddly that’s something you want to discuss. No mention of Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin. Do you dispute Labour’s antisemitism? Is the EHRC talking nonsense? Stop with the distraction and projection. You like to call out others’ “racism”. The Left should put its own house in order. Each must decide what their own conscience permits them to vote for. Personally I will have no truck with racists, bigots, anti semites and Jew baiters (that’s the Labour Party by the way). | |||
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"Can you substantiate any of this nonsensical rambling or are you one of these people who thinks the Nazis were socialists? You don’t know anything about conservative politics. So you just like shouting racist at people who disagree with you. It was tired five years ago. Now it is just laughable. Do you think the Nazis were socialists? Well that’s what they called themselves. Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. The clue might be in the name. But what has that got to do with whether the Labour Party is antisemitic? I have made no mention of Nazis. Oddly that’s something you want to discuss. No mention of Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin. Do you dispute Labour’s antisemitism? Is the EHRC talking nonsense? Stop with the distraction and projection. You like to call out others’ “racism”. The Left should put its own house in order. Each must decide what their own conscience permits them to vote for. Personally I will have no truck with racists, bigots, anti semites and Jew baiters (that’s the Labour Party by the way). " This made me lol for real. I thought you had reached peak "what about Labour. But this smashed it out of the park. Bravo. | |||
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"Can you substantiate any of this nonsensical rambling or are you one of these people who thinks the Nazis were socialists? You don’t know anything about conservative politics. So you just like shouting racist at people who disagree with you. It was tired five years ago. Now it is just laughable. Do you think the Nazis were socialists? Well that’s what they called themselves. Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. The clue might be in the name. But what has that got to do with whether the Labour Party is antisemitic? I have made no mention of Nazis. Oddly that’s something you want to discuss. No mention of Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin. Do you dispute Labour’s antisemitism? Is the EHRC talking nonsense? Stop with the distraction and projection. You like to call out others’ “racism”. The Left should put its own house in order. Each must decide what their own conscience permits them to vote for. Personally I will have no truck with racists, bigots, anti semites and Jew baiters (that’s the Labour Party by the way). This made me lol for real. I thought you had reached peak "what about Labour. But this smashed it out of the park. Bravo. "Labour is going to be the next government. Would you prefer nobody discusses who they are or what their policies might be? | |||
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"Can you substantiate any of this nonsensical rambling or are you one of these people who thinks the Nazis were socialists? You don’t know anything about conservative politics. So you just like shouting racist at people who disagree with you. It was tired five years ago. Now it is just laughable. Do you think the Nazis were socialists? Well that’s what they called themselves. Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. The clue might be in the name. But what has that got to do with whether the Labour Party is antisemitic? I have made no mention of Nazis. Oddly that’s something you want to discuss. No mention of Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin. Do you dispute Labour’s antisemitism? Is the EHRC talking nonsense? Stop with the distraction and projection. You like to call out others’ “racism”. The Left should put its own house in order. Each must decide what their own conscience permits them to vote for. Personally I will have no truck with racists, bigots, anti semites and Jew baiters (that’s the Labour Party by the way). This made me lol for real. I thought you had reached peak "what about Labour. But this smashed it out of the park. Bravo.
Labour is going to be the next government.
Would you prefer nobody discusses who they are or what their policies might be?"I have no opinion, on your opinions of Labour. I think it's funny he brazenly you shoehorn in "what about Labour" to so many conversations. | |||
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"Can you substantiate any of this nonsensical rambling or are you one of these people who thinks the Nazis were socialists? You don’t know anything about conservative politics. So you just like shouting racist at people who disagree with you. It was tired five years ago. Now it is just laughable. Do you think the Nazis were socialists? Well that’s what they called themselves. Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. The clue might be in the name. But what has that got to do with whether the Labour Party is antisemitic? I have made no mention of Nazis. Oddly that’s something you want to discuss. No mention of Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin. Do you dispute Labour’s antisemitism? Is the EHRC talking nonsense? Stop with the distraction and projection. You like to call out others’ “racism”. The Left should put its own house in order. Each must decide what their own conscience permits them to vote for. Personally I will have no truck with racists, bigots, anti semites and Jew baiters (that’s the Labour Party by the way). This made me lol for real. I thought you had reached peak "what about Labour. But this smashed it out of the park. Bravo.
Labour is going to be the next government.
Would you prefer nobody discusses who they are or what their policies might be?
I have no opinion, on your opinions of Labour.
I think it's funny he brazenly you shoehorn in "what about Labour" to so many conversations. "But this of course is the Left’s approach. Left: “you on the right are racist”! Right: “you on the Left have your own issues with racism” Left: “you aren’t allowed to talk about that, let’s just talk about the Right’s racism”! It’s a bit like: Left: “Israel is killing children”! Right: “Hamas terrorists started it” Left: “We can’t talk about that. Israel are terrorists”. | |||
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"Can you substantiate any of this nonsensical rambling or are you one of these people who thinks the Nazis were socialists? You don’t know anything about conservative politics. So you just like shouting racist at people who disagree with you. It was tired five years ago. Now it is just laughable. Do you think the Nazis were socialists? Well that’s what they called themselves. Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. The clue might be in the name. But what has that got to do with whether the Labour Party is antisemitic? I have made no mention of Nazis. Oddly that’s something you want to discuss. No mention of Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin. Do you dispute Labour’s antisemitism? Is the EHRC talking nonsense? Stop with the distraction and projection. You like to call out others’ “racism”. The Left should put its own house in order. Each must decide what their own conscience permits them to vote for. Personally I will have no truck with racists, bigots, anti semites and Jew baiters (that’s the Labour Party by the way). This made me lol for real. I thought you had reached peak "what about Labour. But this smashed it out of the park. Bravo.
Labour is going to be the next government.
Would you prefer nobody discusses who they are or what their policies might be?
I have no opinion, on your opinions of Labour.
I think it's funny he brazenly you shoehorn in "what about Labour" to so many conversations.
But this of course is the Left’s approach.
Left: “you on the right are racist”!
Right: “you on the Left have your own issues with racism”
Left: “you aren’t allowed to talk about that, let’s just talk about the Right’s racism”!
It’s a bit like:
Left: “Israel is killing children”!
Right: “Hamas terrorists started it”
Left: “We can’t talk about that. Israel are terrorists”.
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"Can you substantiate any of this nonsensical rambling or are you one of these people who thinks the Nazis were socialists? You don’t know anything about conservative politics. So you just like shouting racist at people who disagree with you. It was tired five years ago. Now it is just laughable. Do you think the Nazis were socialists? Well that’s what they called themselves. Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. The clue might be in the name. But what has that got to do with whether the Labour Party is antisemitic? I have made no mention of Nazis. Oddly that’s something you want to discuss. No mention of Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin. Do you dispute Labour’s antisemitism? Is the EHRC talking nonsense? Stop with the distraction and projection. You like to call out others’ “racism”. The Left should put its own house in order. Each must decide what their own conscience permits them to vote for. Personally I will have no truck with racists, bigots, anti semites and Jew baiters (that’s the Labour Party by the way). This made me lol for real. I thought you had reached peak "what about Labour. But this smashed it out of the park. Bravo.
Labour is going to be the next government.
Would you prefer nobody discusses who they are or what their policies might be?
I have no opinion, on your opinions of Labour.
I think it's funny he brazenly you shoehorn in "what about Labour" to so many conversations.
But this of course is the Left’s approach.
Left: “you on the right are racist”!
Right: “you on the Left have your own issues with racism”
Left: “you aren’t allowed to talk about that, let’s just talk about the Right’s racism”!
It’s a bit like:
Left: “Israel is killing children”!
Right: “Hamas terrorists started it”
Left: “We can’t talk about that. Israel are terrorists”.
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"Can you substantiate any of this nonsensical rambling or are you one of these people who thinks the Nazis were socialists? You don’t know anything about conservative politics. So you just like shouting racist at people who disagree with you. It was tired five years ago. Now it is just laughable. Do you think the Nazis were socialists? Well that’s what they called themselves. Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. The clue might be in the name. " I could call myself an aristocrat, it doesn't make it so. | |||
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"Can you substantiate any of this nonsensical rambling or are you one of these people who thinks the Nazis were socialists? You don’t know anything about conservative politics. So you just like shouting racist at people who disagree with you. It was tired five years ago. Now it is just laughable. Do you think the Nazis were socialists? Well that’s what they called themselves. Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. The clue might be in the name. I could call myself an aristocrat, it doesn't make it so." Ah yes it’s “not real socialism”. Just like Pol Pot, Mao, and Stalin weren’t “real socialists”. Maybe Starmer will get it “right” this time. Or maybe he won’t. | |||
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"Can you substantiate any of this nonsensical rambling or are you one of these people who thinks the Nazis were socialists? You don’t know anything about conservative politics. So you just like shouting racist at people who disagree with you. It was tired five years ago. Now it is just laughable. Do you think the Nazis were socialists? Well that’s what they called themselves. Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. The clue might be in the name. I could call myself an aristocrat, it doesn't make it so. Ah yes it’s “not real socialism”. Just like Pol Pot, Mao, and Stalin weren’t “real socialists”. Maybe Starmer will get it “right” this time. Or maybe he won’t." If you look up the history of the DAP you'll see it went off on a tangent. Or is that part of inaccurate history you have previously alluded to? | |||
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"Can you substantiate any of this nonsensical rambling or are you one of these people who thinks the Nazis were socialists? You don’t know anything about conservative politics. So you just like shouting racist at people who disagree with you. It was tired five years ago. Now it is just laughable. Do you think the Nazis were socialists? Well that’s what they called themselves. Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. The clue might be in the name. I could call myself an aristocrat, it doesn't make it so. Ah yes it’s “not real socialism”. Just like Pol Pot, Mao, and Stalin weren’t “real socialists”. Maybe Starmer will get it “right” this time. Or maybe he won’t. If you look up the history of the DAP you'll see it went off on a tangent. Or is that part of inaccurate history you have previously alluded to?" I’m sure it did. I’m sure it was many things at many different times. Socialist, rampant capitalist, kleptocratic, if we are talking economics. I made no comments at all about the NSDAP - the other poster brought it up, I’m not sure of its relevance at all to the discussion. I was simply pointing out that Labour has a clear history of antisemitism. Its supporters should therefore be cautious of throwing around allegations of racism at other people. As you say the NSDAP’s policies were probably a mix, to deny that there was any element of “socialism” to them simply to try and cleanse some ideology of liability in current times seems ridiculous. | |||
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"From The Times: “Reform candidate standing in Kemi Badenoch's constituency says he will resign after comments emerged in which he called on people to vote for BNP Grant StClair-Armstrong is standing against Badenoch in North West Essex In 2010 he said 'I could weep now, every time I pick up a British newspaper and read the latest about the state of the UK. No doubt, Enoch Powell would be doing the same if he was alive. My solution … vote BNP!'” It’s a mystery how so many racists end up standing for Reform, I just can’t understand how it happens." 5th July we will know how many of the reported increasing voter numbers will support this view. 17% at last count. | |||
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"Can you substantiate any of this nonsensical rambling or are you one of these people who thinks the Nazis were socialists? You don’t know anything about conservative politics. So you just like shouting racist at people who disagree with you. It was tired five years ago. Now it is just laughable. Do you think the Nazis were socialists? Well that’s what they called themselves. Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. The clue might be in the name. I could call myself an aristocrat, it doesn't make it so. Ah yes it’s “not real socialism”. Just like Pol Pot, Mao, and Stalin weren’t “real socialists”. Maybe Starmer will get it “right” this time. Or maybe he won’t." Rwanda scheme to be written off. Taxpayer cost £400million Like Andrew Neil told Sunak, cheaper to send be them to Uk boarding schools. | |||
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"Can you substantiate any of this nonsensical rambling or are you one of these people who thinks the Nazis were socialists? You don’t know anything about conservative politics. So you just like shouting racist at people who disagree with you. It was tired five years ago. Now it is just laughable. Do you think the Nazis were socialists? Well that’s what they called themselves. Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. The clue might be in the name. But what has that got to do with whether the Labour Party is antisemitic? I have made no mention of Nazis. Oddly that’s something you want to discuss. No mention of Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin. Do you dispute Labour’s antisemitism? Is the EHRC talking nonsense? Stop with the distraction and projection. You like to call out others’ “racism”. The Left should put its own house in order. Each must decide what their own conscience permits them to vote for. Personally I will have no truck with racists, bigots, anti semites and Jew baiters (that’s the Labour Party by the way). " M U S T S T A Y O U T O F A D I S C U S S I O N O N N A Z I S | |||
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"Can you substantiate any of this nonsensical rambling or are you one of these people who thinks the Nazis were socialists? You don’t know anything about conservative politics. So you just like shouting racist at people who disagree with you. It was tired five years ago. Now it is just laughable. Do you think the Nazis were socialists? Well that’s what they called themselves. Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. The clue might be in the name. But what has that got to do with whether the Labour Party is antisemitic? I have made no mention of Nazis. Oddly that’s something you want to discuss. No mention of Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin. Do you dispute Labour’s antisemitism? Is the EHRC talking nonsense? Stop with the distraction and projection. You like to call out others’ “racism”. The Left should put its own house in order. Each must decide what their own conscience permits them to vote for. Personally I will have no truck with racists, bigots, anti semites and Jew baiters (that’s the Labour Party by the way). M U S T S T A Y O U T O F A D I S C U S S I O N O N N A Z I S" But it's in the name.  | |||
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"Can you substantiate any of this nonsensical rambling or are you one of these people who thinks the Nazis were socialists? You don’t know anything about conservative politics. So you just like shouting racist at people who disagree with you. It was tired five years ago. Now it is just laughable. Do you think the Nazis were socialists? Well that’s what they called themselves. Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. The clue might be in the name. I could call myself an aristocrat, it doesn't make it so. Ah yes it’s “not real socialism”. Just like Pol Pot, Mao, and Stalin weren’t “real socialists”. Maybe Starmer will get it “right” this time. Or maybe he won’t." Oh shit I can’t! The Nazis were NOT socialist. Simple. They appropriated the word socialist to appeal to the working classes in a cynical populist move to get support. There were some more left leaning members of the party in the early days but once Hitler got full control these were purged from the party. Saying that they must be socialist because the word appears in their name is as credible as saying Apple are involved in fruit or Virgin is about no sex. It was a brand! The Nazis were very good at branding, marketing, and propaganda (PR). Excellent in fact. They also evolved away from their roots substantially. The other spurious argument sometimes put forward as “evidence” of the Nazis being socialist was some of their economic policies (not all) but only when taken out of context. Their positioning on the right wing of the political spectrum is based on the full picture of all economic and social policies. The Nazis were fascists albeit a strand slightly on their own! They were demonstrably not socialists. You do realise that this revisionist history started to appear in the 80s as a result of libertarianism and a need to distance modern right wing politics from the Nazis and try to tarnish the left wing by attempting to associate Nazism with socialism. It is all disproved bollocks. Soz everyone else but can’t let crap like that be perpetuated! | |||
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"Can you substantiate any of this nonsensical rambling or are you one of these people who thinks the Nazis were socialists? You don’t know anything about conservative politics. So you just like shouting racist at people who disagree with you. It was tired five years ago. Now it is just laughable. Do you think the Nazis were socialists? Well that’s what they called themselves. Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. The clue might be in the name. But what has that got to do with whether the Labour Party is antisemitic? I have made no mention of Nazis. Oddly that’s something you want to discuss. No mention of Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin. Do you dispute Labour’s antisemitism? Is the EHRC talking nonsense? Stop with the distraction and projection. You like to call out others’ “racism”. The Left should put its own house in order. Each must decide what their own conscience permits them to vote for. Personally I will have no truck with racists, bigots, anti semites and Jew baiters (that’s the Labour Party by the way). " Because whether people think Nazis were socialists or not is one of the heuristics I use to decide whether someone is detached from reality or not. Because the ‘logic’ behind the name indicating they were means that North Korea should be considered a democracy given it’s name is the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. It also indicates a complete lack of any understanding of modern European history. | |||
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"Can you substantiate any of this nonsensical rambling or are you one of these people who thinks the Nazis were socialists? You don’t know anything about conservative politics. So you just like shouting racist at people who disagree with you. It was tired five years ago. Now it is just laughable. Do you think the Nazis were socialists? Well that’s what they called themselves. Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. The clue might be in the name. But what has that got to do with whether the Labour Party is antisemitic? I have made no mention of Nazis. Oddly that’s something you want to discuss. No mention of Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin. Do you dispute Labour’s antisemitism? Is the EHRC talking nonsense? Stop with the distraction and projection. You like to call out others’ “racism”. The Left should put its own house in order. Each must decide what their own conscience permits them to vote for. Personally I will have no truck with racists, bigots, anti semites and Jew baiters (that’s the Labour Party by the way). Because whether people think Nazis were socialists or not is one of the heuristics I use to decide whether someone is detached from reality or not. Because the ‘logic’ behind the name indicating they were means that North Korea should be considered a democracy given it’s name is the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. It also indicates a complete lack of any understanding of modern European history." I can only bow to your superior knowledge of history. And of course we shouldn’t read too much into the names of political parties. After all the Conservatives haven’t been conservative for some time, the Liberal Democrats are neither liberal nor democratic, and the Labour Party represents people who don’t do any productive work. We are well used to the misnomers. | |||
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"Can you substantiate any of this nonsensical rambling or are you one of these people who thinks the Nazis were socialists? You don’t know anything about conservative politics. So you just like shouting racist at people who disagree with you. It was tired five years ago. Now it is just laughable. Do you think the Nazis were socialists? Well that’s what they called themselves. Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. The clue might be in the name. But what has that got to do with whether the Labour Party is antisemitic? I have made no mention of Nazis. Oddly that’s something you want to discuss. No mention of Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin. Do you dispute Labour’s antisemitism? Is the EHRC talking nonsense? Stop with the distraction and projection. You like to call out others’ “racism”. The Left should put its own house in order. Each must decide what their own conscience permits them to vote for. Personally I will have no truck with racists, bigots, anti semites and Jew baiters (that’s the Labour Party by the way). Because whether people think Nazis were socialists or not is one of the heuristics I use to decide whether someone is detached from reality or not. Because the ‘logic’ behind the name indicating they were means that North Korea should be considered a democracy given it’s name is the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. It also indicates a complete lack of any understanding of modern European history. I can only bow to your superior knowledge of history. And of course we shouldn’t read too much into the names of political parties. After all the Conservatives haven’t been conservative for some time, the Liberal Democrats are neither liberal nor democratic, and the Labour Party represents people who don’t do any productive work. We are well used to the misnomers." Bit embarrassing to have made the Nazis were Socialists statement though ain’t it  | |||
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"Can you substantiate any of this nonsensical rambling or are you one of these people who thinks the Nazis were socialists? You don’t know anything about conservative politics. So you just like shouting racist at people who disagree with you. It was tired five years ago. Now it is just laughable. Do you think the Nazis were socialists? Well that’s what they called themselves. Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. The clue might be in the name. But what has that got to do with whether the Labour Party is antisemitic? I have made no mention of Nazis. Oddly that’s something you want to discuss. No mention of Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin. Do you dispute Labour’s antisemitism? Is the EHRC talking nonsense? Stop with the distraction and projection. You like to call out others’ “racism”. The Left should put its own house in order. Each must decide what their own conscience permits them to vote for. Personally I will have no truck with racists, bigots, anti semites and Jew baiters (that’s the Labour Party by the way). Because whether people think Nazis were socialists or not is one of the heuristics I use to decide whether someone is detached from reality or not. Because the ‘logic’ behind the name indicating they were means that North Korea should be considered a democracy given it’s name is the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. It also indicates a complete lack of any understanding of modern European history. I can only bow to your superior knowledge of history. And of course we shouldn’t read too much into the names of political parties. After all the Conservatives haven’t been conservative for some time, the Liberal Democrats are neither liberal nor democratic, and the Labour Party represents people who don’t do any productive work. We are well used to the misnomers. Bit embarrassing to have made the Nazis were Socialists statement though ain’t it "Which of the NSDAP’s policies between 1920 and 1945 do you deny were “socialist”? | |||
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"A bit of a cliche, but people change. If everyone that supported the BNP 14 to 24 years ago were still the same, the BNP would still be relevant. Some went Labour and some went Tory, but they didn’t get the attention that they get if they join Reform. It might also be worth mentioning that Labour has a problem with Anti Semitism, and the Tories have Islamophobia. The Lib Dims just don’t like white British people… People do change. A sideways move from BNP to Reform indicates that some haven't. Reform and the BNP have entirely different philosophies. The BNP is actually far closer to the Labour Party than to Reform." The BNP has been dead for a long time, and their burial was conducted by their leader, who stupidly thought he would look good on question time. We all saw what a clown he was that evening on the telly. UKIP had a rule, that anyone who had ever been involved with the BNP was not allowed to join. I very much doubt that Nigel has changed his position on this, and Richard also would not want them in Reform. The witch hunt that is happening right now is unfortunate. But it won’t stop this roller coaster ride, non of us are wanting to get off. | |||
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"A bit of a cliche, but people change. If everyone that supported the BNP 14 to 24 years ago were still the same, the BNP would still be relevant. Some went Labour and some went Tory, but they didn’t get the attention that they get if they join Reform. It might also be worth mentioning that Labour has a problem with Anti Semitism, and the Tories have Islamophobia. The Lib Dims just don’t like white British people… People do change. A sideways move from BNP to Reform indicates that some haven't. Reform and the BNP have entirely different philosophies. The BNP is actually far closer to the Labour Party than to Reform. The BNP has been dead for a long time, and their burial was conducted by their leader, who stupidly thought he would look good on question time. We all saw what a clown he was that evening on the telly. UKIP had a rule, that anyone who had ever been involved with the BNP was not allowed to join. I very much doubt that Nigel has changed his position on this, and Richard also would not want them in Reform. The witch hunt that is happening right now is unfortunate. But it won’t stop this roller coaster ride, non of us are wanting to get off." Choo choo. All about the rebranded BNP train. | |||
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"Can you substantiate any of this nonsensical rambling or are you one of these people who thinks the Nazis were socialists? You don’t know anything about conservative politics. So you just like shouting racist at people who disagree with you. It was tired five years ago. Now it is just laughable. Do you think the Nazis were socialists? Well that’s what they called themselves. Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. The clue might be in the name. But what has that got to do with whether the Labour Party is antisemitic? I have made no mention of Nazis. Oddly that’s something you want to discuss. No mention of Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin. Do you dispute Labour’s antisemitism? Is the EHRC talking nonsense? Stop with the distraction and projection. You like to call out others’ “racism”. The Left should put its own house in order. Each must decide what their own conscience permits them to vote for. Personally I will have no truck with racists, bigots, anti semites and Jew baiters (that’s the Labour Party by the way). Because whether people think Nazis were socialists or not is one of the heuristics I use to decide whether someone is detached from reality or not. Because the ‘logic’ behind the name indicating they were means that North Korea should be considered a democracy given it’s name is the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. It also indicates a complete lack of any understanding of modern European history. I can only bow to your superior knowledge of history. And of course we shouldn’t read too much into the names of political parties. After all the Conservatives haven’t been conservative for some time, the Liberal Democrats are neither liberal nor democratic, and the Labour Party represents people who don’t do any productive work. We are well used to the misnomers. Bit embarrassing to have made the Nazis were Socialists statement though ain’t it
Which of the NSDAP’s policies between 1920 and 1945 do you deny were “socialist”?"Let’s start a specific thread of you want that kind of a discussion. Also if you search back through the forums you will find this has been previously been discussed at length and there is plenty of information to absorb. Also reread my post further up. There were indeed some economic policies that in isolation can be classified as being socialist. However, any serious analysis understands that you need the full picture and wider political and contemporary context before you can even begin to attempt to label anything. Plucking a single policy(s) out and then with 21st century eyes and sensibilities saying “that looks socialist” is simply very silly and devoid of critical analysis. | |||
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"Can you substantiate any of this nonsensical rambling or are you one of these people who thinks the Nazis were socialists? You don’t know anything about conservative politics. So you just like shouting racist at people who disagree with you. It was tired five years ago. Now it is just laughable. Do you think the Nazis were socialists? Well that’s what they called themselves. Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. The clue might be in the name. But what has that got to do with whether the Labour Party is antisemitic? I have made no mention of Nazis. Oddly that’s something you want to discuss. No mention of Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin. Do you dispute Labour’s antisemitism? Is the EHRC talking nonsense? Stop with the distraction and projection. You like to call out others’ “racism”. The Left should put its own house in order. Each must decide what their own conscience permits them to vote for. Personally I will have no truck with racists, bigots, anti semites and Jew baiters (that’s the Labour Party by the way). Because whether people think Nazis were socialists or not is one of the heuristics I use to decide whether someone is detached from reality or not. Because the ‘logic’ behind the name indicating they were means that North Korea should be considered a democracy given it’s name is the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. It also indicates a complete lack of any understanding of modern European history. I can only bow to your superior knowledge of history. And of course we shouldn’t read too much into the names of political parties. After all the Conservatives haven’t been conservative for some time, the Liberal Democrats are neither liberal nor democratic, and the Labour Party represents people who don’t do any productive work. We are well used to the misnomers. Bit embarrassing to have made the Nazis were Socialists statement though ain’t it
Which of the NSDAP’s policies between 1920 and 1945 do you deny were “socialist”?"The one where they criminalised socialist and communist political parties and put their members (27,000 people) in Dachau (1933), the one where they banned trades unions and seized all their assets (also 1933), or maybe the one in 1936 where the Nazis arrested 11,000 people for socialist activities. | |||
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"A bit of a cliche, but people change. If everyone that supported the BNP 14 to 24 years ago were still the same, the BNP would still be relevant. Some went Labour and some went Tory, but they didn’t get the attention that they get if they join Reform. It might also be worth mentioning that Labour has a problem with Anti Semitism, and the Tories have Islamophobia. The Lib Dims just don’t like white British people… People do change. A sideways move from BNP to Reform indicates that some haven't. Reform and the BNP have entirely different philosophies. The BNP is actually far closer to the Labour Party than to Reform. The BNP has been dead for a long time, and their burial was conducted by their leader, who stupidly thought he would look good on question time. We all saw what a clown he was that evening on the telly. UKIP had a rule, that anyone who had ever been involved with the BNP was not allowed to join. I very much doubt that Nigel has changed his position on this, and Richard also would not want them in Reform. The witch hunt that is happening right now is unfortunate. But it won’t stop this roller coaster ride, non of us are wanting to get off. Choo choo. All about the rebranded BNP train. " Fuck the BNP, I was never in favour of them. Reform UK are the new conservative movement. The Tories will either join us, or get out of the way. | |||
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"Can you substantiate any of this nonsensical rambling or are you one of these people who thinks the Nazis were socialists? You don’t know anything about conservative politics. So you just like shouting racist at people who disagree with you. It was tired five years ago. Now it is just laughable. Do you think the Nazis were socialists? Well that’s what they called themselves. Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. The clue might be in the name. But what has that got to do with whether the Labour Party is antisemitic? I have made no mention of Nazis. Oddly that’s something you want to discuss. No mention of Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin. Do you dispute Labour’s antisemitism? Is the EHRC talking nonsense? Stop with the distraction and projection. You like to call out others’ “racism”. The Left should put its own house in order. Each must decide what their own conscience permits them to vote for. Personally I will have no truck with racists, bigots, anti semites and Jew baiters (that’s the Labour Party by the way). Because whether people think Nazis were socialists or not is one of the heuristics I use to decide whether someone is detached from reality or not. Because the ‘logic’ behind the name indicating they were means that North Korea should be considered a democracy given it’s name is the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. It also indicates a complete lack of any understanding of modern European history. I can only bow to your superior knowledge of history. And of course we shouldn’t read too much into the names of political parties. After all the Conservatives haven’t been conservative for some time, the Liberal Democrats are neither liberal nor democratic, and the Labour Party represents people who don’t do any productive work. We are well used to the misnomers. Bit embarrassing to have made the Nazis were Socialists statement though ain’t it
Which of the NSDAP’s policies between 1920 and 1945 do you deny were “socialist”?
Let’s start a specific thread of you want that kind of a discussion. Also if you search back through the forums you will find this has been previously been discussed at length and there is plenty of information to absorb.
Also reread my post further up. There were indeed some economic policies that in isolation can be classified as being socialist. However, any serious analysis understands that you need the full picture and wider political and contemporary context before you can even begin to attempt to label anything. Plucking a single policy(s) out and then with 21st century eyes and sensibilities saying “that looks socialist” is simply very silly and devoid of critical analysis."I have no interest whatsoever in discussing this topic. The only people who want to discuss it are you and the other Labour supporter. And I very much doubt either of you have any significant expertise on the topic that would be worth listening to. If I want to learn about 1930’s Germany I’m sure there are better places to look than the politics forum of a swingers website. There is no shortage of books about the subject, many of which are sitting on my office shelves. I’m still wading through a 600 page biography of Himmler when I get the time. I simply pointed out that the Labour Party has a history of anti semitism and the response of the Labour Party supporter was to start talking about Nazi Germany. I’ve no idea why. I can only assume it’s distraction and projection. | |||
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"Which of the NSDAP’s policies between 1920 and 1945 do you deny were “socialist”?"" Quite clever to put your date range from 1920 but as I say above the Nazi party evolved and purged itself of any socialist elements. Rohm and Hitler had quite different views. Next you will be pointing at the covid furlough scheme and claiming the Conservatives are a socialist party | |||
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"Can you substantiate any of this nonsensical rambling or are you one of these people who thinks the Nazis were socialists? You don’t know anything about conservative politics. So you just like shouting racist at people who disagree with you. It was tired five years ago. Now it is just laughable. Do you think the Nazis were socialists? Well that’s what they called themselves. Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. The clue might be in the name. But what has that got to do with whether the Labour Party is antisemitic? I have made no mention of Nazis. Oddly that’s something you want to discuss. No mention of Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin. Do you dispute Labour’s antisemitism? Is the EHRC talking nonsense? Stop with the distraction and projection. You like to call out others’ “racism”. The Left should put its own house in order. Each must decide what their own conscience permits them to vote for. Personally I will have no truck with racists, bigots, anti semites and Jew baiters (that’s the Labour Party by the way). Because whether people think Nazis were socialists or not is one of the heuristics I use to decide whether someone is detached from reality or not. Because the ‘logic’ behind the name indicating they were means that North Korea should be considered a democracy given it’s name is the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. It also indicates a complete lack of any understanding of modern European history. I can only bow to your superior knowledge of history. And of course we shouldn’t read too much into the names of political parties. After all the Conservatives haven’t been conservative for some time, the Liberal Democrats are neither liberal nor democratic, and the Labour Party represents people who don’t do any productive work. We are well used to the misnomers. Bit embarrassing to have made the Nazis were Socialists statement though ain’t it
Which of the NSDAP’s policies between 1920 and 1945 do you deny were “socialist”?
Let’s start a specific thread of you want that kind of a discussion. Also if you search back through the forums you will find this has been previously been discussed at length and there is plenty of information to absorb.
Also reread my post further up. There were indeed some economic policies that in isolation can be classified as being socialist. However, any serious analysis understands that you need the full picture and wider political and contemporary context before you can even begin to attempt to label anything. Plucking a single policy(s) out and then with 21st century eyes and sensibilities saying “that looks socialist” is simply very silly and devoid of critical analysis.
I have no interest whatsoever in discussing this topic. The only people who want to discuss it are you and the other Labour supporter. And I very much doubt either of you have any significant expertise on the topic that would be worth listening to. If I want to learn about 1930’s Germany I’m sure there are better places to look than the politics forum of a swingers website. There is no shortage of books about the subject, many of which are sitting on my office shelves. I’m still wading through a 600 page biography of Himmler when I get the time.
I simply pointed out that the Labour Party has a history of anti semitism and the response of the Labour Party supporter was to start talking about Nazi Germany. I’ve no idea why. I can only assume it’s distraction and projection."Do I bite or not hmmmmm? "And I very much doubt either of you have any significant expertise on the topic" Oh fuck it yeah why not… I have a First Class Hons in European history 1850-1950 from one of the top three universities in the UK. Not going to say which one but let’s say the boat race was more fun when there was less shit in the water! As for “the other Labour supporter” well I am not a Labour supporter. Just to be clear. But you went down the “Nazis were Socialists” route and it simply isn’t true no matter how many You Tube videos you watch or books you read by Frederich Hayek! | |||
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"A bit of a cliche, but people change. If everyone that supported the BNP 14 to 24 years ago were still the same, the BNP would still be relevant. Some went Labour and some went Tory, but they didn’t get the attention that they get if they join Reform. It might also be worth mentioning that Labour has a problem with Anti Semitism, and the Tories have Islamophobia. The Lib Dims just don’t like white British people… People do change. A sideways move from BNP to Reform indicates that some haven't. Reform and the BNP have entirely different philosophies. The BNP is actually far closer to the Labour Party than to Reform. The BNP has been dead for a long time, and their burial was conducted by their leader, who stupidly thought he would look good on question time. We all saw what a clown he was that evening on the telly. UKIP had a rule, that anyone who had ever been involved with the BNP was not allowed to join. I very much doubt that Nigel has changed his position on this, and Richard also would not want them in Reform. The witch hunt that is happening right now is unfortunate. But it won’t stop this roller coaster ride, non of us are wanting to get off. Choo choo. All about the rebranded BNP train. Fuck the BNP, I was never in favour of them. Reform UK are the new conservative movement. The Tories will either join us, or get out of the way." Fair play, damaging the Tories chances at the election is relatively speaking a good thing. Reform and BNP are pretty closely aligned though. Not sure if the BNP were anti-science or not. But the rest of the message is pretty similar, just wrapped in less visceral language. | |||
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"Can you substantiate any of this nonsensical rambling or are you one of these people who thinks the Nazis were socialists? You don’t know anything about conservative politics. So you just like shouting racist at people who disagree with you. It was tired five years ago. Now it is just laughable. Do you think the Nazis were socialists? Well that’s what they called themselves. Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. The clue might be in the name. But what has that got to do with whether the Labour Party is antisemitic? I have made no mention of Nazis. Oddly that’s something you want to discuss. No mention of Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin. Do you dispute Labour’s antisemitism? Is the EHRC talking nonsense? Stop with the distraction and projection. You like to call out others’ “racism”. The Left should put its own house in order. Each must decide what their own conscience permits them to vote for. Personally I will have no truck with racists, bigots, anti semites and Jew baiters (that’s the Labour Party by the way). Because whether people think Nazis were socialists or not is one of the heuristics I use to decide whether someone is detached from reality or not. Because the ‘logic’ behind the name indicating they were means that North Korea should be considered a democracy given it’s name is the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. It also indicates a complete lack of any understanding of modern European history. I can only bow to your superior knowledge of history. And of course we shouldn’t read too much into the names of political parties. After all the Conservatives haven’t been conservative for some time, the Liberal Democrats are neither liberal nor democratic, and the Labour Party represents people who don’t do any productive work. We are well used to the misnomers. Bit embarrassing to have made the Nazis were Socialists statement though ain’t it
Which of the NSDAP’s policies between 1920 and 1945 do you deny were “socialist”?
Let’s start a specific thread of you want that kind of a discussion. Also if you search back through the forums you will find this has been previously been discussed at length and there is plenty of information to absorb.
Also reread my post further up. There were indeed some economic policies that in isolation can be classified as being socialist. However, any serious analysis understands that you need the full picture and wider political and contemporary context before you can even begin to attempt to label anything. Plucking a single policy(s) out and then with 21st century eyes and sensibilities saying “that looks socialist” is simply very silly and devoid of critical analysis.
I have no interest whatsoever in discussing this topic. The only people who want to discuss it are you and the other Labour supporter. And I very much doubt either of you have any significant expertise on the topic that would be worth listening to. If I want to learn about 1930’s Germany I’m sure there are better places to look than the politics forum of a swingers website. There is no shortage of books about the subject, many of which are sitting on my office shelves. I’m still wading through a 600 page biography of Himmler when I get the time.
I simply pointed out that the Labour Party has a history of anti semitism and the response of the Labour Party supporter was to start talking about Nazi Germany. I’ve no idea why. I can only assume it’s distraction and projection.
Do I bite or not hmmmmm?
And I very much doubt either of you have any significant expertise on the topic
Oh fuck it yeah why not…
I have a First Class Hons in European history 1850-1950 from one of the top three universities in the UK. Not going to say which one but let’s say the boat race was more fun when there was less shit in the water!
As for “the other Labour supporter” well I am not a Labour supporter. Just to be clear. But you went down the “Nazis were Socialists” route and it simply isn’t true no matter how many You Tube videos you watch or books you read by Frederich Hayek!"I didn’t go down the Nazis are Socialists route at all, that’s something you and the other Labour supporter are desperate to talk about, rather than Labour’s antisemitism problem. It’s odd why Leftists appear to be so desperate to cleanse their ideology of any link to Hitler. It really doesn’t matter, given that all the other mass murderers in recent times have all been socialists or communists. Maybe they think if they can at least disassociate themselves from one mass murderer their opinions can somehow become slightly less soiled. | |||
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"Can you substantiate any of this nonsensical rambling or are you one of these people who thinks the Nazis were socialists? You don’t know anything about conservative politics. So you just like shouting racist at people who disagree with you. It was tired five years ago. Now it is just laughable. Do you think the Nazis were socialists? Well that’s what they called themselves. Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. The clue might be in the name. I could call myself an aristocrat, it doesn't make it so. Ah yes it’s “not real socialism”. Just like Pol Pot, Mao, and Stalin weren’t “real socialists”. Maybe Starmer will get it “right” this time. Or maybe he won’t. Oh shit I can’t! The Nazis were NOT socialist. Simple. They appropriated the word socialist to appeal to the working classes in a cynical populist move to get support. There were some more left leaning members of the party in the early days but once Hitler got full control these were purged from the party. Saying that they must be socialist because the word appears in their name is as credible as saying Apple are involved in fruit or Virgin is about no sex. It was a brand! The Nazis were very good at branding, marketing, and propaganda (PR). Excellent in fact. They also evolved away from their roots substantially. The other spurious argument sometimes put forward as “evidence” of the Nazis being socialist was some of their economic policies (not all) but only when taken out of context. Their positioning on the right wing of the political spectrum is based on the full picture of all economic and social policies. The Nazis were fascists albeit a strand slightly on their own! They were demonstrably not socialists. You do realise that this revisionist history started to appear in the 80s as a result of libertarianism and a need to distance modern right wing politics from the Nazis and try to tarnish the left wing by attempting to associate Nazism with socialism. It is all disproved bollocks. Soz everyone else but can’t let crap like that be perpetuated! " Finally  | |||
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"Can you substantiate any of this nonsensical rambling or are you one of these people who thinks the Nazis were socialists? You don’t know anything about conservative politics. So you just like shouting racist at people who disagree with you. It was tired five years ago. Now it is just laughable. Do you think the Nazis were socialists? Well that’s what they called themselves. Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. The clue might be in the name. But what has that got to do with whether the Labour Party is antisemitic? I have made no mention of Nazis. Oddly that’s something you want to discuss. No mention of Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin. Do you dispute Labour’s antisemitism? Is the EHRC talking nonsense? Stop with the distraction and projection. You like to call out others’ “racism”. The Left should put its own house in order. Each must decide what their own conscience permits them to vote for. Personally I will have no truck with racists, bigots, anti semites and Jew baiters (that’s the Labour Party by the way). Because whether people think Nazis were socialists or not is one of the heuristics I use to decide whether someone is detached from reality or not. Because the ‘logic’ behind the name indicating they were means that North Korea should be considered a democracy given it’s name is the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. It also indicates a complete lack of any understanding of modern European history. I can only bow to your superior knowledge of history. And of course we shouldn’t read too much into the names of political parties. After all the Conservatives haven’t been conservative for some time, the Liberal Democrats are neither liberal nor democratic, and the Labour Party represents people who don’t do any productive work. We are well used to the misnomers. Bit embarrassing to have made the Nazis were Socialists statement though ain’t it
Which of the NSDAP’s policies between 1920 and 1945 do you deny were “socialist”?"Here we go again  | |||
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"Can you substantiate any of this nonsensical rambling or are you one of these people who thinks the Nazis were socialists? You don’t know anything about conservative politics. So you just like shouting racist at people who disagree with you. It was tired five years ago. Now it is just laughable. Do you think the Nazis were socialists? Well that’s what they called themselves. Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. The clue might be in the name. But what has that got to do with whether the Labour Party is antisemitic? I have made no mention of Nazis. Oddly that’s something you want to discuss. No mention of Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin. Do you dispute Labour’s antisemitism? Is the EHRC talking nonsense? Stop with the distraction and projection. You like to call out others’ “racism”. The Left should put its own house in order. Each must decide what their own conscience permits them to vote for. Personally I will have no truck with racists, bigots, anti semites and Jew baiters (that’s the Labour Party by the way). Because whether people think Nazis were socialists or not is one of the heuristics I use to decide whether someone is detached from reality or not. Because the ‘logic’ behind the name indicating they were means that North Korea should be considered a democracy given it’s name is the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. It also indicates a complete lack of any understanding of modern European history. I can only bow to your superior knowledge of history. And of course we shouldn’t read too much into the names of political parties. After all the Conservatives haven’t been conservative for some time, the Liberal Democrats are neither liberal nor democratic, and the Labour Party represents people who don’t do any productive work. We are well used to the misnomers. Bit embarrassing to have made the Nazis were Socialists statement though ain’t it
Which of the NSDAP’s policies between 1920 and 1945 do you deny were “socialist”?
Let’s start a specific thread of you want that kind of a discussion. Also if you search back through the forums you will find this has been previously been discussed at length and there is plenty of information to absorb.
Also reread my post further up. There were indeed some economic policies that in isolation can be classified as being socialist. However, any serious analysis understands that you need the full picture and wider political and contemporary context before you can even begin to attempt to label anything. Plucking a single policy(s) out and then with 21st century eyes and sensibilities saying “that looks socialist” is simply very silly and devoid of critical analysis.
I have no interest whatsoever in discussing this topic. The only people who want to discuss it are you and the other Labour supporter. And I very much doubt either of you have any significant expertise on the topic that would be worth listening to. If I want to learn about 1930’s Germany I’m sure there are better places to look than the politics forum of a swingers website. There is no shortage of books about the subject, many of which are sitting on my office shelves. I’m still wading through a 600 page biography of Himmler when I get the time.
I simply pointed out that the Labour Party has a history of anti semitism and the response of the Labour Party supporter was to start talking about Nazi Germany. I’ve no idea why. I can only assume it’s distraction and projection.
Do I bite or not hmmmmm?
And I very much doubt either of you have any significant expertise on the topic
Oh fuck it yeah why not…
I have a First Class Hons in European history 1850-1950 from one of the top three universities in the UK. Not going to say which one but let’s say the boat race was more fun when there was less shit in the water!
As for “the other Labour supporter” well I am not a Labour supporter. Just to be clear. But you went down the “Nazis were Socialists” route and it simply isn’t true no matter how many You Tube videos you watch or books you read by Frederich Hayek!
I didn’t go down the Nazis are Socialists route at all, that’s something you and the other Labour supporter are desperate to talk about, rather than Labour’s antisemitism problem.
It’s odd why Leftists appear to be so desperate to cleanse their ideology of any link to Hitler.
It really doesn’t matter, given that all the other mass murderers in recent times have all been socialists or communists. Maybe they think if they can at least disassociate themselves from one mass murderer their opinions can somehow become slightly less soiled.
"Yeah but it went down like this… "Do you think the Nazis were socialists? Well that’s what they called themselves. Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. The clue might be in the name." That looks like you went down the Nazis were Socialists route to me (annoying when the thread still has all the evidence to quote). So now as I picked you up on that I’m a leftist! guess you don’t read what is being written (you don’t have to of course, may well be boring, but if you try to label people, at least get it right).
And having been completely debunked on the Nazis are Socialist thing you widen the goalposts to say yeah but look at these others!
Well duh! Yep guess what. Human beings are evil and most evil is undertaken by those at the extreme ends of the political spectrum. Stalin was a bastard! No argument there. So was Torquemada but that’s another version of extremism!
But unless you also conflate Socialism with Communism, then it is the latter who have been utter assholes and killed millions (oh and let’s not get into that branding discussion again, I know it was the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics). | |||
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"Can you substantiate any of this nonsensical rambling or are you one of these people who thinks the Nazis were socialists? You don’t know anything about conservative politics. So you just like shouting racist at people who disagree with you. It was tired five years ago. Now it is just laughable. Do you think the Nazis were socialists? Well that’s what they called themselves. Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. The clue might be in the name. But what has that got to do with whether the Labour Party is antisemitic? I have made no mention of Nazis. Oddly that’s something you want to discuss. No mention of Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin. Do you dispute Labour’s antisemitism? Is the EHRC talking nonsense? Stop with the distraction and projection. You like to call out others’ “racism”. The Left should put its own house in order. Each must decide what their own conscience permits them to vote for. Personally I will have no truck with racists, bigots, anti semites and Jew baiters (that’s the Labour Party by the way). Because whether people think Nazis were socialists or not is one of the heuristics I use to decide whether someone is detached from reality or not. Because the ‘logic’ behind the name indicating they were means that North Korea should be considered a democracy given it’s name is the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. It also indicates a complete lack of any understanding of modern European history. I can only bow to your superior knowledge of history. And of course we shouldn’t read too much into the names of political parties. After all the Conservatives haven’t been conservative for some time, the Liberal Democrats are neither liberal nor democratic, and the Labour Party represents people who don’t do any productive work. We are well used to the misnomers. Bit embarrassing to have made the Nazis were Socialists statement though ain’t it
Which of the NSDAP’s policies between 1920 and 1945 do you deny were “socialist”?
Let’s start a specific thread of you want that kind of a discussion. Also if you search back through the forums you will find this has been previously been discussed at length and there is plenty of information to absorb.
Also reread my post further up. There were indeed some economic policies that in isolation can be classified as being socialist. However, any serious analysis understands that you need the full picture and wider political and contemporary context before you can even begin to attempt to label anything. Plucking a single policy(s) out and then with 21st century eyes and sensibilities saying “that looks socialist” is simply very silly and devoid of critical analysis.
I have no interest whatsoever in discussing this topic. The only people who want to discuss it are you and the other Labour supporter. And I very much doubt either of you have any significant expertise on the topic that would be worth listening to. If I want to learn about 1930’s Germany I’m sure there are better places to look than the politics forum of a swingers website. There is no shortage of books about the subject, many of which are sitting on my office shelves. I’m still wading through a 600 page biography of Himmler when I get the time.
I simply pointed out that the Labour Party has a history of anti semitism and the response of the Labour Party supporter was to start talking about Nazi Germany. I’ve no idea why. I can only assume it’s distraction and projection.
Do I bite or not hmmmmm?
And I very much doubt either of you have any significant expertise on the topic
Oh fuck it yeah why not…
I have a First Class Hons in European history 1850-1950 from one of the top three universities in the UK. Not going to say which one but let’s say the boat race was more fun when there was less shit in the water!
As for “the other Labour supporter” well I am not a Labour supporter. Just to be clear. But you went down the “Nazis were Socialists” route and it simply isn’t true no matter how many You Tube videos you watch or books you read by Frederich Hayek!
I didn’t go down the Nazis are Socialists route at all, that’s something you and the other Labour supporter are desperate to talk about, rather than Labour’s antisemitism problem.
It’s odd why Leftists appear to be so desperate to cleanse their ideology of any link to Hitler.
It really doesn’t matter, given that all the other mass murderers in recent times have all been socialists or communists. Maybe they think if they can at least disassociate themselves from one mass murderer their opinions can somehow become slightly less soiled.
Yeah but it went down like this…
Do you think the Nazis were socialists?
Well that’s what they called themselves.
Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei.
The clue might be in the name.
That looks like you went down the Nazis were Socialists route to me (annoying when the thread still has all the evidence to quote).
So now as I picked you up on that I’m a leftist! guess you don’t read what is being written (you don’t have to of course, may well be boring, but if you try to label people, at least get it right).
And having been completely debunked on the Nazis are Socialist thing you widen the goalposts to say yeah but look at these others!
Well duh! Yep guess what. Human beings are evil and most evil is undertaken by those at the extreme ends of the political spectrum. Stalin was a bastard! No argument there. So was Torquemada but that’s another version of extremism!
But unless you also conflate Socialism with Communism, then it is the latter who have been utter assholes and killed millions (oh and let’s not get into that branding discussion again, I know it was the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics)."Hysterical. 1. Person A raises fact of Labour having history of antisemitism 2. Person B tries to create distraction by talking about Nazi Germany 3. Person C sends dozens of posts about Nazi Germany and demanding that everyone else stops talking about Nazi Germany 4. Person C claims victory by having “debunked” claims that were never made in the first place, based on having spent an afternoon reading some comics about Hitler at a Poly two decades ago. | |||
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"Can you substantiate any of this nonsensical rambling or are you one of these people who thinks the Nazis were socialists? You don’t know anything about conservative politics. So you just like shouting racist at people who disagree with you. It was tired five years ago. Now it is just laughable. Do you think the Nazis were socialists? Well that’s what they called themselves. Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. The clue might be in the name. But what has that got to do with whether the Labour Party is antisemitic? I have made no mention of Nazis. Oddly that’s something you want to discuss. No mention of Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin. Do you dispute Labour’s antisemitism? Is the EHRC talking nonsense? Stop with the distraction and projection. You like to call out others’ “racism”. The Left should put its own house in order. Each must decide what their own conscience permits them to vote for. Personally I will have no truck with racists, bigots, anti semites and Jew baiters (that’s the Labour Party by the way). Because whether people think Nazis were socialists or not is one of the heuristics I use to decide whether someone is detached from reality or not. Because the ‘logic’ behind the name indicating they were means that North Korea should be considered a democracy given it’s name is the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. It also indicates a complete lack of any understanding of modern European history. I can only bow to your superior knowledge of history. And of course we shouldn’t read too much into the names of political parties. After all the Conservatives haven’t been conservative for some time, the Liberal Democrats are neither liberal nor democratic, and the Labour Party represents people who don’t do any productive work. We are well used to the misnomers. Bit embarrassing to have made the Nazis were Socialists statement though ain’t it
Which of the NSDAP’s policies between 1920 and 1945 do you deny were “socialist”?
Let’s start a specific thread of you want that kind of a discussion. Also if you search back through the forums you will find this has been previously been discussed at length and there is plenty of information to absorb.
Also reread my post further up. There were indeed some economic policies that in isolation can be classified as being socialist. However, any serious analysis understands that you need the full picture and wider political and contemporary context before you can even begin to attempt to label anything. Plucking a single policy(s) out and then with 21st century eyes and sensibilities saying “that looks socialist” is simply very silly and devoid of critical analysis.
I have no interest whatsoever in discussing this topic. The only people who want to discuss it are you and the other Labour supporter. And I very much doubt either of you have any significant expertise on the topic that would be worth listening to. If I want to learn about 1930’s Germany I’m sure there are better places to look than the politics forum of a swingers website. There is no shortage of books about the subject, many of which are sitting on my office shelves. I’m still wading through a 600 page biography of Himmler when I get the time.
I simply pointed out that the Labour Party has a history of anti semitism and the response of the Labour Party supporter was to start talking about Nazi Germany. I’ve no idea why. I can only assume it’s distraction and projection.
Do I bite or not hmmmmm?
And I very much doubt either of you have any significant expertise on the topic
Oh fuck it yeah why not…
I have a First Class Hons in European history 1850-1950 from one of the top three universities in the UK. Not going to say which one but let’s say the boat race was more fun when there was less shit in the water!
As for “the other Labour supporter” well I am not a Labour supporter. Just to be clear. But you went down the “Nazis were Socialists” route and it simply isn’t true no matter how many You Tube videos you watch or books you read by Frederich Hayek!
I didn’t go down the Nazis are Socialists route at all, that’s something you and the other Labour supporter are desperate to talk about, rather than Labour’s antisemitism problem.
It’s odd why Leftists appear to be so desperate to cleanse their ideology of any link to Hitler.
It really doesn’t matter, given that all the other mass murderers in recent times have all been socialists or communists. Maybe they think if they can at least disassociate themselves from one mass murderer their opinions can somehow become slightly less soiled.
Yeah but it went down like this…
Do you think the Nazis were socialists?
Well that’s what they called themselves.
Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei.
The clue might be in the name.
That looks like you went down the Nazis were Socialists route to me (annoying when the thread still has all the evidence to quote).
So now as I picked you up on that I’m a leftist! guess you don’t read what is being written (you don’t have to of course, may well be boring, but if you try to label people, at least get it right).
And having been completely debunked on the Nazis are Socialist thing you widen the goalposts to say yeah but look at these others!
Well duh! Yep guess what. Human beings are evil and most evil is undertaken by those at the extreme ends of the political spectrum. Stalin was a bastard! No argument there. So was Torquemada but that’s another version of extremism!
But unless you also conflate Socialism with Communism, then it is the latter who have been utter assholes and killed millions (oh and let’s not get into that branding discussion again, I know it was the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics).
Hysterical.
1. Person A raises fact of Labour having history of antisemitism
2. Person B tries to create distraction by talking about Nazi Germany
3. Person C sends dozens of posts about Nazi Germany and demanding that everyone else stops talking about Nazi Germany
4. Person C claims victory by having “debunked” claims that were never made in the first place, based on having spent an afternoon reading some comics about Hitler at a Poly two decades ago.
"You missed. 0.5 someone jumps into the discussion and shoehorns in the classic "what about Labour" into a discussion that isn't related to Labour in any way shape or form. | |||
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"Can you substantiate any of this nonsensical rambling or are you one of these people who thinks the Nazis were socialists? You don’t know anything about conservative politics. So you just like shouting racist at people who disagree with you. It was tired five years ago. Now it is just laughable. Do you think the Nazis were socialists? Well that’s what they called themselves. Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. The clue might be in the name. But what has that got to do with whether the Labour Party is antisemitic? I have made no mention of Nazis. Oddly that’s something you want to discuss. No mention of Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin. Do you dispute Labour’s antisemitism? Is the EHRC talking nonsense? Stop with the distraction and projection. You like to call out others’ “racism”. The Left should put its own house in order. Each must decide what their own conscience permits them to vote for. Personally I will have no truck with racists, bigots, anti semites and Jew baiters (that’s the Labour Party by the way). Because whether people think Nazis were socialists or not is one of the heuristics I use to decide whether someone is detached from reality or not. Because the ‘logic’ behind the name indicating they were means that North Korea should be considered a democracy given it’s name is the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. It also indicates a complete lack of any understanding of modern European history. I can only bow to your superior knowledge of history. And of course we shouldn’t read too much into the names of political parties. After all the Conservatives haven’t been conservative for some time, the Liberal Democrats are neither liberal nor democratic, and the Labour Party represents people who don’t do any productive work. We are well used to the misnomers. Bit embarrassing to have made the Nazis were Socialists statement though ain’t it
Which of the NSDAP’s policies between 1920 and 1945 do you deny were “socialist”?
Let’s start a specific thread of you want that kind of a discussion. Also if you search back through the forums you will find this has been previously been discussed at length and there is plenty of information to absorb.
Also reread my post further up. There were indeed some economic policies that in isolation can be classified as being socialist. However, any serious analysis understands that you need the full picture and wider political and contemporary context before you can even begin to attempt to label anything. Plucking a single policy(s) out and then with 21st century eyes and sensibilities saying “that looks socialist” is simply very silly and devoid of critical analysis.
I have no interest whatsoever in discussing this topic. The only people who want to discuss it are you and the other Labour supporter. And I very much doubt either of you have any significant expertise on the topic that would be worth listening to. If I want to learn about 1930’s Germany I’m sure there are better places to look than the politics forum of a swingers website. There is no shortage of books about the subject, many of which are sitting on my office shelves. I’m still wading through a 600 page biography of Himmler when I get the time.
I simply pointed out that the Labour Party has a history of anti semitism and the response of the Labour Party supporter was to start talking about Nazi Germany. I’ve no idea why. I can only assume it’s distraction and projection.
Do I bite or not hmmmmm?
And I very much doubt either of you have any significant expertise on the topic
Oh fuck it yeah why not…
I have a First Class Hons in European history 1850-1950 from one of the top three universities in the UK. Not going to say which one but let’s say the boat race was more fun when there was less shit in the water!
As for “the other Labour supporter” well I am not a Labour supporter. Just to be clear. But you went down the “Nazis were Socialists” route and it simply isn’t true no matter how many You Tube videos you watch or books you read by Frederich Hayek!
I didn’t go down the Nazis are Socialists route at all, that’s something you and the other Labour supporter are desperate to talk about, rather than Labour’s antisemitism problem.
It’s odd why Leftists appear to be so desperate to cleanse their ideology of any link to Hitler.
It really doesn’t matter, given that all the other mass murderers in recent times have all been socialists or communists. Maybe they think if they can at least disassociate themselves from one mass murderer their opinions can somehow become slightly less soiled.
Yeah but it went down like this…
Do you think the Nazis were socialists?
Well that’s what they called themselves.
Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei.
The clue might be in the name.
That looks like you went down the Nazis were Socialists route to me (annoying when the thread still has all the evidence to quote).
So now as I picked you up on that I’m a leftist! guess you don’t read what is being written (you don’t have to of course, may well be boring, but if you try to label people, at least get it right).
And having been completely debunked on the Nazis are Socialist thing you widen the goalposts to say yeah but look at these others!
Well duh! Yep guess what. Human beings are evil and most evil is undertaken by those at the extreme ends of the political spectrum. Stalin was a bastard! No argument there. So was Torquemada but that’s another version of extremism!
But unless you also conflate Socialism with Communism, then it is the latter who have been utter assholes and killed millions (oh and let’s not get into that branding discussion again, I know it was the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics).
Hysterical.
1. Person A raises fact of Labour having history of antisemitism
2. Person B tries to create distraction by talking about Nazi Germany
3. Person C sends dozens of posts about Nazi Germany and demanding that everyone else stops talking about Nazi Germany
4. Person C claims victory by having “debunked” claims that were never made in the first place, based on having spent an afternoon reading some comics about Hitler at a Poly two decades ago.
"You just made yourself look very very silly indeed. The thread history is all there for everyone to see. Just embarrassing yourself now, please stop!
Poly! You are old! Uni darling, a very good one too | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) | |||
"Can you substantiate any of this nonsensical rambling or are you one of these people who thinks the Nazis were socialists? You don’t know anything about conservative politics. So you just like shouting racist at people who disagree with you. It was tired five years ago. Now it is just laughable. Do you think the Nazis were socialists? Well that’s what they called themselves. Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. The clue might be in the name. But what has that got to do with whether the Labour Party is antisemitic? I have made no mention of Nazis. Oddly that’s something you want to discuss. No mention of Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin. Do you dispute Labour’s antisemitism? Is the EHRC talking nonsense? Stop with the distraction and projection. You like to call out others’ “racism”. The Left should put its own house in order. Each must decide what their own conscience permits them to vote for. Personally I will have no truck with racists, bigots, anti semites and Jew baiters (that’s the Labour Party by the way). Because whether people think Nazis were socialists or not is one of the heuristics I use to decide whether someone is detached from reality or not. Because the ‘logic’ behind the name indicating they were means that North Korea should be considered a democracy given it’s name is the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. It also indicates a complete lack of any understanding of modern European history. I can only bow to your superior knowledge of history. And of course we shouldn’t read too much into the names of political parties. After all the Conservatives haven’t been conservative for some time, the Liberal Democrats are neither liberal nor democratic, and the Labour Party represents people who don’t do any productive work. We are well used to the misnomers. Bit embarrassing to have made the Nazis were Socialists statement though ain’t it
Which of the NSDAP’s policies between 1920 and 1945 do you deny were “socialist”?
Let’s start a specific thread of you want that kind of a discussion. Also if you search back through the forums you will find this has been previously been discussed at length and there is plenty of information to absorb.
Also reread my post further up. There were indeed some economic policies that in isolation can be classified as being socialist. However, any serious analysis understands that you need the full picture and wider political and contemporary context before you can even begin to attempt to label anything. Plucking a single policy(s) out and then with 21st century eyes and sensibilities saying “that looks socialist” is simply very silly and devoid of critical analysis.
I have no interest whatsoever in discussing this topic. The only people who want to discuss it are you and the other Labour supporter. And I very much doubt either of you have any significant expertise on the topic that would be worth listening to. If I want to learn about 1930’s Germany I’m sure there are better places to look than the politics forum of a swingers website. There is no shortage of books about the subject, many of which are sitting on my office shelves. I’m still wading through a 600 page biography of Himmler when I get the time.
I simply pointed out that the Labour Party has a history of anti semitism and the response of the Labour Party supporter was to start talking about Nazi Germany. I’ve no idea why. I can only assume it’s distraction and projection.
Do I bite or not hmmmmm?
And I very much doubt either of you have any significant expertise on the topic
Oh fuck it yeah why not…
I have a First Class Hons in European history 1850-1950 from one of the top three universities in the UK. Not going to say which one but let’s say the boat race was more fun when there was less shit in the water!
As for “the other Labour supporter” well I am not a Labour supporter. Just to be clear. But you went down the “Nazis were Socialists” route and it simply isn’t true no matter how many You Tube videos you watch or books you read by Frederich Hayek!
I didn’t go down the Nazis are Socialists route at all, that’s something you and the other Labour supporter are desperate to talk about, rather than Labour’s antisemitism problem.
It’s odd why Leftists appear to be so desperate to cleanse their ideology of any link to Hitler.
It really doesn’t matter, given that all the other mass murderers in recent times have all been socialists or communists. Maybe they think if they can at least disassociate themselves from one mass murderer their opinions can somehow become slightly less soiled.
Yeah but it went down like this…
Do you think the Nazis were socialists?
Well that’s what they called themselves.
Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei.
The clue might be in the name.
That looks like you went down the Nazis were Socialists route to me (annoying when the thread still has all the evidence to quote).
So now as I picked you up on that I’m a leftist! guess you don’t read what is being written (you don’t have to of course, may well be boring, but if you try to label people, at least get it right).
And having been completely debunked on the Nazis are Socialist thing you widen the goalposts to say yeah but look at these others!
Well duh! Yep guess what. Human beings are evil and most evil is undertaken by those at the extreme ends of the political spectrum. Stalin was a bastard! No argument there. So was Torquemada but that’s another version of extremism!
But unless you also conflate Socialism with Communism, then it is the latter who have been utter assholes and killed millions (oh and let’s not get into that branding discussion again, I know it was the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics).
Hysterical.
1. Person A raises fact of Labour having history of antisemitism
2. Person B tries to create distraction by talking about Nazi Germany
3. Person C sends dozens of posts about Nazi Germany and demanding that everyone else stops talking about Nazi Germany
4. Person C claims victory by having “debunked” claims that were never made in the first place, based on having spent an afternoon reading some comics about Hitler at a Poly two decades ago.
You just made yourself look very very silly indeed. The thread history is all there for everyone to see. Just embarrassing yourself now, please stop!
Poly! You are old! Uni darling, a very good one too "Nobody who went to a decent University would call it “Uni”. | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) | |||
"Can you substantiate any of this nonsensical rambling or are you one of these people who thinks the Nazis were socialists? You don’t know anything about conservative politics. So you just like shouting racist at people who disagree with you. It was tired five years ago. Now it is just laughable. Do you think the Nazis were socialists? Well that’s what they called themselves. Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. The clue might be in the name. But what has that got to do with whether the Labour Party is antisemitic? I have made no mention of Nazis. Oddly that’s something you want to discuss. No mention of Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin. Do you dispute Labour’s antisemitism? Is the EHRC talking nonsense? Stop with the distraction and projection. You like to call out others’ “racism”. The Left should put its own house in order. Each must decide what their own conscience permits them to vote for. Personally I will have no truck with racists, bigots, anti semites and Jew baiters (that’s the Labour Party by the way). Because whether people think Nazis were socialists or not is one of the heuristics I use to decide whether someone is detached from reality or not. Because the ‘logic’ behind the name indicating they were means that North Korea should be considered a democracy given it’s name is the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. It also indicates a complete lack of any understanding of modern European history. I can only bow to your superior knowledge of history. And of course we shouldn’t read too much into the names of political parties. After all the Conservatives haven’t been conservative for some time, the Liberal Democrats are neither liberal nor democratic, and the Labour Party represents people who don’t do any productive work. We are well used to the misnomers. Bit embarrassing to have made the Nazis were Socialists statement though ain’t it
Which of the NSDAP’s policies between 1920 and 1945 do you deny were “socialist”?
Let’s start a specific thread of you want that kind of a discussion. Also if you search back through the forums you will find this has been previously been discussed at length and there is plenty of information to absorb.
Also reread my post further up. There were indeed some economic policies that in isolation can be classified as being socialist. However, any serious analysis understands that you need the full picture and wider political and contemporary context before you can even begin to attempt to label anything. Plucking a single policy(s) out and then with 21st century eyes and sensibilities saying “that looks socialist” is simply very silly and devoid of critical analysis.
I have no interest whatsoever in discussing this topic. The only people who want to discuss it are you and the other Labour supporter. And I very much doubt either of you have any significant expertise on the topic that would be worth listening to. If I want to learn about 1930’s Germany I’m sure there are better places to look than the politics forum of a swingers website. There is no shortage of books about the subject, many of which are sitting on my office shelves. I’m still wading through a 600 page biography of Himmler when I get the time.
I simply pointed out that the Labour Party has a history of anti semitism and the response of the Labour Party supporter was to start talking about Nazi Germany. I’ve no idea why. I can only assume it’s distraction and projection.
Do I bite or not hmmmmm?
And I very much doubt either of you have any significant expertise on the topic
Oh fuck it yeah why not…
I have a First Class Hons in European history 1850-1950 from one of the top three universities in the UK. Not going to say which one but let’s say the boat race was more fun when there was less shit in the water!
As for “the other Labour supporter” well I am not a Labour supporter. Just to be clear. But you went down the “Nazis were Socialists” route and it simply isn’t true no matter how many You Tube videos you watch or books you read by Frederich Hayek!
I didn’t go down the Nazis are Socialists route at all, that’s something you and the other Labour supporter are desperate to talk about, rather than Labour’s antisemitism problem.
It’s odd why Leftists appear to be so desperate to cleanse their ideology of any link to Hitler.
It really doesn’t matter, given that all the other mass murderers in recent times have all been socialists or communists. Maybe they think if they can at least disassociate themselves from one mass murderer their opinions can somehow become slightly less soiled.
Yeah but it went down like this…
Do you think the Nazis were socialists?
Well that’s what they called themselves.
Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei.
The clue might be in the name.
That looks like you went down the Nazis were Socialists route to me (annoying when the thread still has all the evidence to quote).
So now as I picked you up on that I’m a leftist! guess you don’t read what is being written (you don’t have to of course, may well be boring, but if you try to label people, at least get it right).
And having been completely debunked on the Nazis are Socialist thing you widen the goalposts to say yeah but look at these others!
Well duh! Yep guess what. Human beings are evil and most evil is undertaken by those at the extreme ends of the political spectrum. Stalin was a bastard! No argument there. So was Torquemada but that’s another version of extremism!
But unless you also conflate Socialism with Communism, then it is the latter who have been utter assholes and killed millions (oh and let’s not get into that branding discussion again, I know it was the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics).
Hysterical.
1. Person A raises fact of Labour having history of antisemitism
2. Person B tries to create distraction by talking about Nazi Germany
3. Person C sends dozens of posts about Nazi Germany and demanding that everyone else stops talking about Nazi Germany
4. Person C claims victory by having “debunked” claims that were never made in the first place, based on having spent an afternoon reading some comics about Hitler at a Poly two decades ago.
You just made yourself look very very silly indeed. The thread history is all there for everyone to see. Just embarrassing yourself now, please stop!
Poly! You are old! Uni darling, a very good one too "I’m also not a Labour supporter, I will just vote for them as they have the best chance of unseating the Tory in the constituency I live in. It’s a practice I adopt wherever I live, and have voted LibDem and SNP, as well as Labour. The most important thing in my view is to rid the country of the blight of a Conservative government. | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) | |||
"Can you substantiate any of this nonsensical rambling or are you one of these people who thinks the Nazis were socialists? You don’t know anything about conservative politics. So you just like shouting racist at people who disagree with you. It was tired five years ago. Now it is just laughable. Do you think the Nazis were socialists? Well that’s what they called themselves. Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. The clue might be in the name. But what has that got to do with whether the Labour Party is antisemitic? I have made no mention of Nazis. Oddly that’s something you want to discuss. No mention of Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin. Do you dispute Labour’s antisemitism? Is the EHRC talking nonsense? Stop with the distraction and projection. You like to call out others’ “racism”. The Left should put its own house in order. Each must decide what their own conscience permits them to vote for. Personally I will have no truck with racists, bigots, anti semites and Jew baiters (that’s the Labour Party by the way). Because whether people think Nazis were socialists or not is one of the heuristics I use to decide whether someone is detached from reality or not. Because the ‘logic’ behind the name indicating they were means that North Korea should be considered a democracy given it’s name is the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. It also indicates a complete lack of any understanding of modern European history. I can only bow to your superior knowledge of history. And of course we shouldn’t read too much into the names of political parties. After all the Conservatives haven’t been conservative for some time, the Liberal Democrats are neither liberal nor democratic, and the Labour Party represents people who don’t do any productive work. We are well used to the misnomers. Bit embarrassing to have made the Nazis were Socialists statement though ain’t it
Which of the NSDAP’s policies between 1920 and 1945 do you deny were “socialist”?
Let’s start a specific thread of you want that kind of a discussion. Also if you search back through the forums you will find this has been previously been discussed at length and there is plenty of information to absorb.
Also reread my post further up. There were indeed some economic policies that in isolation can be classified as being socialist. However, any serious analysis understands that you need the full picture and wider political and contemporary context before you can even begin to attempt to label anything. Plucking a single policy(s) out and then with 21st century eyes and sensibilities saying “that looks socialist” is simply very silly and devoid of critical analysis.
I have no interest whatsoever in discussing this topic. The only people who want to discuss it are you and the other Labour supporter. And I very much doubt either of you have any significant expertise on the topic that would be worth listening to. If I want to learn about 1930’s Germany I’m sure there are better places to look than the politics forum of a swingers website. There is no shortage of books about the subject, many of which are sitting on my office shelves. I’m still wading through a 600 page biography of Himmler when I get the time.
I simply pointed out that the Labour Party has a history of anti semitism and the response of the Labour Party supporter was to start talking about Nazi Germany. I’ve no idea why. I can only assume it’s distraction and projection.
Do I bite or not hmmmmm?
And I very much doubt either of you have any significant expertise on the topic
Oh fuck it yeah why not…
I have a First Class Hons in European history 1850-1950 from one of the top three universities in the UK. Not going to say which one but let’s say the boat race was more fun when there was less shit in the water!
As for “the other Labour supporter” well I am not a Labour supporter. Just to be clear. But you went down the “Nazis were Socialists” route and it simply isn’t true no matter how many You Tube videos you watch or books you read by Frederich Hayek!
I didn’t go down the Nazis are Socialists route at all, that’s something you and the other Labour supporter are desperate to talk about, rather than Labour’s antisemitism problem.
It’s odd why Leftists appear to be so desperate to cleanse their ideology of any link to Hitler.
It really doesn’t matter, given that all the other mass murderers in recent times have all been socialists or communists. Maybe they think if they can at least disassociate themselves from one mass murderer their opinions can somehow become slightly less soiled.
Yeah but it went down like this…
Do you think the Nazis were socialists?
Well that’s what they called themselves.
Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei.
The clue might be in the name.
That looks like you went down the Nazis were Socialists route to me (annoying when the thread still has all the evidence to quote).
So now as I picked you up on that I’m a leftist! guess you don’t read what is being written (you don’t have to of course, may well be boring, but if you try to label people, at least get it right).
And having been completely debunked on the Nazis are Socialist thing you widen the goalposts to say yeah but look at these others!
Well duh! Yep guess what. Human beings are evil and most evil is undertaken by those at the extreme ends of the political spectrum. Stalin was a bastard! No argument there. So was Torquemada but that’s another version of extremism!
But unless you also conflate Socialism with Communism, then it is the latter who have been utter assholes and killed millions (oh and let’s not get into that branding discussion again, I know it was the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics).
Hysterical.
1. Person A raises fact of Labour having history of antisemitism
2. Person B tries to create distraction by talking about Nazi Germany
3. Person C sends dozens of posts about Nazi Germany and demanding that everyone else stops talking about Nazi Germany
4. Person C claims victory by having “debunked” claims that were never made in the first place, based on having spent an afternoon reading some comics about Hitler at a Poly two decades ago.
You just made yourself look very very silly indeed. The thread history is all there for everyone to see. Just embarrassing yourself now, please stop!
Poly! You are old! Uni darling, a very good one too
Nobody who went to a decent University would call it “Uni”.
"Why not? | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) | |||
"Can you substantiate any of this nonsensical rambling or are you one of these people who thinks the Nazis were socialists? You don’t know anything about conservative politics. So you just like shouting racist at people who disagree with you. It was tired five years ago. Now it is just laughable. Do you think the Nazis were socialists? Well that’s what they called themselves. Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. The clue might be in the name. But what has that got to do with whether the Labour Party is antisemitic? I have made no mention of Nazis. Oddly that’s something you want to discuss. No mention of Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin. Do you dispute Labour’s antisemitism? Is the EHRC talking nonsense? Stop with the distraction and projection. You like to call out others’ “racism”. The Left should put its own house in order. Each must decide what their own conscience permits them to vote for. Personally I will have no truck with racists, bigots, anti semites and Jew baiters (that’s the Labour Party by the way). Because whether people think Nazis were socialists or not is one of the heuristics I use to decide whether someone is detached from reality or not. Because the ‘logic’ behind the name indicating they were means that North Korea should be considered a democracy given it’s name is the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. It also indicates a complete lack of any understanding of modern European history. I can only bow to your superior knowledge of history. And of course we shouldn’t read too much into the names of political parties. After all the Conservatives haven’t been conservative for some time, the Liberal Democrats are neither liberal nor democratic, and the Labour Party represents people who don’t do any productive work. We are well used to the misnomers. Bit embarrassing to have made the Nazis were Socialists statement though ain’t it
Which of the NSDAP’s policies between 1920 and 1945 do you deny were “socialist”?
Let’s start a specific thread of you want that kind of a discussion. Also if you search back through the forums you will find this has been previously been discussed at length and there is plenty of information to absorb.
Also reread my post further up. There were indeed some economic policies that in isolation can be classified as being socialist. However, any serious analysis understands that you need the full picture and wider political and contemporary context before you can even begin to attempt to label anything. Plucking a single policy(s) out and then with 21st century eyes and sensibilities saying “that looks socialist” is simply very silly and devoid of critical analysis.
I have no interest whatsoever in discussing this topic. The only people who want to discuss it are you and the other Labour supporter. And I very much doubt either of you have any significant expertise on the topic that would be worth listening to. If I want to learn about 1930’s Germany I’m sure there are better places to look than the politics forum of a swingers website. There is no shortage of books about the subject, many of which are sitting on my office shelves. I’m still wading through a 600 page biography of Himmler when I get the time.
I simply pointed out that the Labour Party has a history of anti semitism and the response of the Labour Party supporter was to start talking about Nazi Germany. I’ve no idea why. I can only assume it’s distraction and projection.
Do I bite or not hmmmmm?
And I very much doubt either of you have any significant expertise on the topic
Oh fuck it yeah why not…
I have a First Class Hons in European history 1850-1950 from one of the top three universities in the UK. Not going to say which one but let’s say the boat race was more fun when there was less shit in the water!
As for “the other Labour supporter” well I am not a Labour supporter. Just to be clear. But you went down the “Nazis were Socialists” route and it simply isn’t true no matter how many You Tube videos you watch or books you read by Frederich Hayek!
I didn’t go down the Nazis are Socialists route at all, that’s something you and the other Labour supporter are desperate to talk about, rather than Labour’s antisemitism problem.
It’s odd why Leftists appear to be so desperate to cleanse their ideology of any link to Hitler.
It really doesn’t matter, given that all the other mass murderers in recent times have all been socialists or communists. Maybe they think if they can at least disassociate themselves from one mass murderer their opinions can somehow become slightly less soiled.
Yeah but it went down like this…
Do you think the Nazis were socialists?
Well that’s what they called themselves.
Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei.
The clue might be in the name.
That looks like you went down the Nazis were Socialists route to me (annoying when the thread still has all the evidence to quote).
So now as I picked you up on that I’m a leftist! guess you don’t read what is being written (you don’t have to of course, may well be boring, but if you try to label people, at least get it right).
And having been completely debunked on the Nazis are Socialist thing you widen the goalposts to say yeah but look at these others!
Well duh! Yep guess what. Human beings are evil and most evil is undertaken by those at the extreme ends of the political spectrum. Stalin was a bastard! No argument there. So was Torquemada but that’s another version of extremism!
But unless you also conflate Socialism with Communism, then it is the latter who have been utter assholes and killed millions (oh and let’s not get into that branding discussion again, I know it was the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics).
Hysterical.
1. Person A raises fact of Labour having history of antisemitism
2. Person B tries to create distraction by talking about Nazi Germany
3. Person C sends dozens of posts about Nazi Germany and demanding that everyone else stops talking about Nazi Germany
4. Person C claims victory by having “debunked” claims that were never made in the first place, based on having spent an afternoon reading some comics about Hitler at a Poly two decades ago.
You just made yourself look very very silly indeed. The thread history is all there for everyone to see. Just embarrassing yourself now, please stop!
Poly! You are old! Uni darling, a very good one too
Nobody who went to a decent University would call it “Uni”.
"Really? Ah ok you must be right | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) | |||
"Can you substantiate any of this nonsensical rambling or are you one of these people who thinks the Nazis were socialists? You don’t know anything about conservative politics. So you just like shouting racist at people who disagree with you. It was tired five years ago. Now it is just laughable. Do you think the Nazis were socialists? Well that’s what they called themselves. Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. The clue might be in the name. But what has that got to do with whether the Labour Party is antisemitic? I have made no mention of Nazis. Oddly that’s something you want to discuss. No mention of Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin. Do you dispute Labour’s antisemitism? Is the EHRC talking nonsense? Stop with the distraction and projection. You like to call out others’ “racism”. The Left should put its own house in order. Each must decide what their own conscience permits them to vote for. Personally I will have no truck with racists, bigots, anti semites and Jew baiters (that’s the Labour Party by the way). Because whether people think Nazis were socialists or not is one of the heuristics I use to decide whether someone is detached from reality or not. Because the ‘logic’ behind the name indicating they were means that North Korea should be considered a democracy given it’s name is the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. It also indicates a complete lack of any understanding of modern European history. I can only bow to your superior knowledge of history. And of course we shouldn’t read too much into the names of political parties. After all the Conservatives haven’t been conservative for some time, the Liberal Democrats are neither liberal nor democratic, and the Labour Party represents people who don’t do any productive work. We are well used to the misnomers. Bit embarrassing to have made the Nazis were Socialists statement though ain’t it
Which of the NSDAP’s policies between 1920 and 1945 do you deny were “socialist”?
Let’s start a specific thread of you want that kind of a discussion. Also if you search back through the forums you will find this has been previously been discussed at length and there is plenty of information to absorb.
Also reread my post further up. There were indeed some economic policies that in isolation can be classified as being socialist. However, any serious analysis understands that you need the full picture and wider political and contemporary context before you can even begin to attempt to label anything. Plucking a single policy(s) out and then with 21st century eyes and sensibilities saying “that looks socialist” is simply very silly and devoid of critical analysis.
I have no interest whatsoever in discussing this topic. The only people who want to discuss it are you and the other Labour supporter. And I very much doubt either of you have any significant expertise on the topic that would be worth listening to. If I want to learn about 1930’s Germany I’m sure there are better places to look than the politics forum of a swingers website. There is no shortage of books about the subject, many of which are sitting on my office shelves. I’m still wading through a 600 page biography of Himmler when I get the time.
I simply pointed out that the Labour Party has a history of anti semitism and the response of the Labour Party supporter was to start talking about Nazi Germany. I’ve no idea why. I can only assume it’s distraction and projection.
Do I bite or not hmmmmm?
And I very much doubt either of you have any significant expertise on the topic
Oh fuck it yeah why not…
I have a First Class Hons in European history 1850-1950 from one of the top three universities in the UK. Not going to say which one but let’s say the boat race was more fun when there was less shit in the water!
As for “the other Labour supporter” well I am not a Labour supporter. Just to be clear. But you went down the “Nazis were Socialists” route and it simply isn’t true no matter how many You Tube videos you watch or books you read by Frederich Hayek!
I didn’t go down the Nazis are Socialists route at all, that’s something you and the other Labour supporter are desperate to talk about, rather than Labour’s antisemitism problem.
It’s odd why Leftists appear to be so desperate to cleanse their ideology of any link to Hitler.
It really doesn’t matter, given that all the other mass murderers in recent times have all been socialists or communists. Maybe they think if they can at least disassociate themselves from one mass murderer their opinions can somehow become slightly less soiled.
Yeah but it went down like this…
Do you think the Nazis were socialists?
Well that’s what they called themselves.
Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei.
The clue might be in the name.
That looks like you went down the Nazis were Socialists route to me (annoying when the thread still has all the evidence to quote).
So now as I picked you up on that I’m a leftist! guess you don’t read what is being written (you don’t have to of course, may well be boring, but if you try to label people, at least get it right).
And having been completely debunked on the Nazis are Socialist thing you widen the goalposts to say yeah but look at these others!
Well duh! Yep guess what. Human beings are evil and most evil is undertaken by those at the extreme ends of the political spectrum. Stalin was a bastard! No argument there. So was Torquemada but that’s another version of extremism!
But unless you also conflate Socialism with Communism, then it is the latter who have been utter assholes and killed millions (oh and let’s not get into that branding discussion again, I know it was the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics).
Hysterical.
1. Person A raises fact of Labour having history of antisemitism
2. Person B tries to create distraction by talking about Nazi Germany
3. Person C sends dozens of posts about Nazi Germany and demanding that everyone else stops talking about Nazi Germany
4. Person C claims victory by having “debunked” claims that were never made in the first place, based on having spent an afternoon reading some comics about Hitler at a Poly two decades ago.
You just made yourself look very very silly indeed. The thread history is all there for everyone to see. Just embarrassing yourself now, please stop!
Poly! You are old! Uni darling, a very good one too
Nobody who went to a decent University would call it “Uni”.
Why not?"It’s chav and lowbrow. | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) | |||
"Can you substantiate any of this nonsensical rambling or are you one of these people who thinks the Nazis were socialists? You don’t know anything about conservative politics. So you just like shouting racist at people who disagree with you. It was tired five years ago. Now it is just laughable. Do you think the Nazis were socialists? Well that’s what they called themselves. Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. The clue might be in the name. But what has that got to do with whether the Labour Party is antisemitic? I have made no mention of Nazis. Oddly that’s something you want to discuss. No mention of Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin. Do you dispute Labour’s antisemitism? Is the EHRC talking nonsense? Stop with the distraction and projection. You like to call out others’ “racism”. The Left should put its own house in order. Each must decide what their own conscience permits them to vote for. Personally I will have no truck with racists, bigots, anti semites and Jew baiters (that’s the Labour Party by the way). Because whether people think Nazis were socialists or not is one of the heuristics I use to decide whether someone is detached from reality or not. Because the ‘logic’ behind the name indicating they were means that North Korea should be considered a democracy given it’s name is the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. It also indicates a complete lack of any understanding of modern European history. I can only bow to your superior knowledge of history. And of course we shouldn’t read too much into the names of political parties. After all the Conservatives haven’t been conservative for some time, the Liberal Democrats are neither liberal nor democratic, and the Labour Party represents people who don’t do any productive work. We are well used to the misnomers. Bit embarrassing to have made the Nazis were Socialists statement though ain’t it
Which of the NSDAP’s policies between 1920 and 1945 do you deny were “socialist”?
Let’s start a specific thread of you want that kind of a discussion. Also if you search back through the forums you will find this has been previously been discussed at length and there is plenty of information to absorb.
Also reread my post further up. There were indeed some economic policies that in isolation can be classified as being socialist. However, any serious analysis understands that you need the full picture and wider political and contemporary context before you can even begin to attempt to label anything. Plucking a single policy(s) out and then with 21st century eyes and sensibilities saying “that looks socialist” is simply very silly and devoid of critical analysis.
I have no interest whatsoever in discussing this topic. The only people who want to discuss it are you and the other Labour supporter. And I very much doubt either of you have any significant expertise on the topic that would be worth listening to. If I want to learn about 1930’s Germany I’m sure there are better places to look than the politics forum of a swingers website. There is no shortage of books about the subject, many of which are sitting on my office shelves. I’m still wading through a 600 page biography of Himmler when I get the time.
I simply pointed out that the Labour Party has a history of anti semitism and the response of the Labour Party supporter was to start talking about Nazi Germany. I’ve no idea why. I can only assume it’s distraction and projection.
Do I bite or not hmmmmm?
And I very much doubt either of you have any significant expertise on the topic
Oh fuck it yeah why not…
I have a First Class Hons in European history 1850-1950 from one of the top three universities in the UK. Not going to say which one but let’s say the boat race was more fun when there was less shit in the water!
As for “the other Labour supporter” well I am not a Labour supporter. Just to be clear. But you went down the “Nazis were Socialists” route and it simply isn’t true no matter how many You Tube videos you watch or books you read by Frederich Hayek!
I didn’t go down the Nazis are Socialists route at all, that’s something you and the other Labour supporter are desperate to talk about, rather than Labour’s antisemitism problem.
It’s odd why Leftists appear to be so desperate to cleanse their ideology of any link to Hitler.
It really doesn’t matter, given that all the other mass murderers in recent times have all been socialists or communists. Maybe they think if they can at least disassociate themselves from one mass murderer their opinions can somehow become slightly less soiled.
Yeah but it went down like this…
Do you think the Nazis were socialists?
Well that’s what they called themselves.
Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei.
The clue might be in the name.
That looks like you went down the Nazis were Socialists route to me (annoying when the thread still has all the evidence to quote).
So now as I picked you up on that I’m a leftist! guess you don’t read what is being written (you don’t have to of course, may well be boring, but if you try to label people, at least get it right).
And having been completely debunked on the Nazis are Socialist thing you widen the goalposts to say yeah but look at these others!
Well duh! Yep guess what. Human beings are evil and most evil is undertaken by those at the extreme ends of the political spectrum. Stalin was a bastard! No argument there. So was Torquemada but that’s another version of extremism!
But unless you also conflate Socialism with Communism, then it is the latter who have been utter assholes and killed millions (oh and let’s not get into that branding discussion again, I know it was the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics).
Hysterical.
1. Person A raises fact of Labour having history of antisemitism
2. Person B tries to create distraction by talking about Nazi Germany
3. Person C sends dozens of posts about Nazi Germany and demanding that everyone else stops talking about Nazi Germany
4. Person C claims victory by having “debunked” claims that were never made in the first place, based on having spent an afternoon reading some comics about Hitler at a Poly two decades ago.
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"Can you substantiate any of this nonsensical rambling or are you one of these people who thinks the Nazis were socialists? You don’t know anything about conservative politics. So you just like shouting racist at people who disagree with you. It was tired five years ago. Now it is just laughable. Do you think the Nazis were socialists? Well that’s what they called themselves. Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. The clue might be in the name. But what has that got to do with whether the Labour Party is antisemitic? I have made no mention of Nazis. Oddly that’s something you want to discuss. No mention of Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin. Do you dispute Labour’s antisemitism? Is the EHRC talking nonsense? Stop with the distraction and projection. You like to call out others’ “racism”. The Left should put its own house in order. Each must decide what their own conscience permits them to vote for. Personally I will have no truck with racists, bigots, anti semites and Jew baiters (that’s the Labour Party by the way). Because whether people think Nazis were socialists or not is one of the heuristics I use to decide whether someone is detached from reality or not. Because the ‘logic’ behind the name indicating they were means that North Korea should be considered a democracy given it’s name is the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. It also indicates a complete lack of any understanding of modern European history. I can only bow to your superior knowledge of history. And of course we shouldn’t read too much into the names of political parties. After all the Conservatives haven’t been conservative for some time, the Liberal Democrats are neither liberal nor democratic, and the Labour Party represents people who don’t do any productive work. We are well used to the misnomers. Bit embarrassing to have made the Nazis were Socialists statement though ain’t it
Which of the NSDAP’s policies between 1920 and 1945 do you deny were “socialist”?
Let’s start a specific thread of you want that kind of a discussion. Also if you search back through the forums you will find this has been previously been discussed at length and there is plenty of information to absorb.
Also reread my post further up. There were indeed some economic policies that in isolation can be classified as being socialist. However, any serious analysis understands that you need the full picture and wider political and contemporary context before you can even begin to attempt to label anything. Plucking a single policy(s) out and then with 21st century eyes and sensibilities saying “that looks socialist” is simply very silly and devoid of critical analysis.
I have no interest whatsoever in discussing this topic. The only people who want to discuss it are you and the other Labour supporter. And I very much doubt either of you have any significant expertise on the topic that would be worth listening to. If I want to learn about 1930’s Germany I’m sure there are better places to look than the politics forum of a swingers website. There is no shortage of books about the subject, many of which are sitting on my office shelves. I’m still wading through a 600 page biography of Himmler when I get the time.
I simply pointed out that the Labour Party has a history of anti semitism and the response of the Labour Party supporter was to start talking about Nazi Germany. I’ve no idea why. I can only assume it’s distraction and projection.
Do I bite or not hmmmmm?
And I very much doubt either of you have any significant expertise on the topic
Oh fuck it yeah why not…
I have a First Class Hons in European history 1850-1950 from one of the top three universities in the UK. Not going to say which one but let’s say the boat race was more fun when there was less shit in the water!
As for “the other Labour supporter” well I am not a Labour supporter. Just to be clear. But you went down the “Nazis were Socialists” route and it simply isn’t true no matter how many You Tube videos you watch or books you read by Frederich Hayek!
I didn’t go down the Nazis are Socialists route at all, that’s something you and the other Labour supporter are desperate to talk about, rather than Labour’s antisemitism problem.
It’s odd why Leftists appear to be so desperate to cleanse their ideology of any link to Hitler.
It really doesn’t matter, given that all the other mass murderers in recent times have all been socialists or communists. Maybe they think if they can at least disassociate themselves from one mass murderer their opinions can somehow become slightly less soiled.
Yeah but it went down like this…
Do you think the Nazis were socialists?
Well that’s what they called themselves.
Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei.
The clue might be in the name.
That looks like you went down the Nazis were Socialists route to me (annoying when the thread still has all the evidence to quote).
So now as I picked you up on that I’m a leftist! guess you don’t read what is being written (you don’t have to of course, may well be boring, but if you try to label people, at least get it right).
And having been completely debunked on the Nazis are Socialist thing you widen the goalposts to say yeah but look at these others!
Well duh! Yep guess what. Human beings are evil and most evil is undertaken by those at the extreme ends of the political spectrum. Stalin was a bastard! No argument there. So was Torquemada but that’s another version of extremism!
But unless you also conflate Socialism with Communism, then it is the latter who have been utter assholes and killed millions (oh and let’s not get into that branding discussion again, I know it was the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics).
Hysterical.
1. Person A raises fact of Labour having history of antisemitism
2. Person B tries to create distraction by talking about Nazi Germany
3. Person C sends dozens of posts about Nazi Germany and demanding that everyone else stops talking about Nazi Germany
4. Person C claims victory by having “debunked” claims that were never made in the first place, based on having spent an afternoon reading some comics about Hitler at a Poly two decades ago.
You just made yourself look very very silly indeed. The thread history is all there for everyone to see. Just embarrassing yourself now, please stop!
Poly! You are old! Uni darling, a very good one too
I’m also not a Labour supporter, I will just vote for them as they have the best chance of unseating the Tory in the constituency I live in. It’s a practice I adopt wherever I live, and have voted LibDem and SNP, as well as Labour.
The most important thing in my view is to rid the country of the blight of a Conservative government."Ditto | |||
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"Can you substantiate any of this nonsensical rambling or are you one of these people who thinks the Nazis were socialists? You don’t know anything about conservative politics. So you just like shouting racist at people who disagree with you. It was tired five years ago. Now it is just laughable. Do you think the Nazis were socialists? Well that’s what they called themselves. Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. The clue might be in the name. But what has that got to do with whether the Labour Party is antisemitic? I have made no mention of Nazis. Oddly that’s something you want to discuss. No mention of Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin. Do you dispute Labour’s antisemitism? Is the EHRC talking nonsense? Stop with the distraction and projection. You like to call out others’ “racism”. The Left should put its own house in order. Each must decide what their own conscience permits them to vote for. Personally I will have no truck with racists, bigots, anti semites and Jew baiters (that’s the Labour Party by the way). Because whether people think Nazis were socialists or not is one of the heuristics I use to decide whether someone is detached from reality or not. Because the ‘logic’ behind the name indicating they were means that North Korea should be considered a democracy given it’s name is the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. It also indicates a complete lack of any understanding of modern European history. I can only bow to your superior knowledge of history. And of course we shouldn’t read too much into the names of political parties. After all the Conservatives haven’t been conservative for some time, the Liberal Democrats are neither liberal nor democratic, and the Labour Party represents people who don’t do any productive work. We are well used to the misnomers. Bit embarrassing to have made the Nazis were Socialists statement though ain’t it
Which of the NSDAP’s policies between 1920 and 1945 do you deny were “socialist”?
Let’s start a specific thread of you want that kind of a discussion. Also if you search back through the forums you will find this has been previously been discussed at length and there is plenty of information to absorb.
Also reread my post further up. There were indeed some economic policies that in isolation can be classified as being socialist. However, any serious analysis understands that you need the full picture and wider political and contemporary context before you can even begin to attempt to label anything. Plucking a single policy(s) out and then with 21st century eyes and sensibilities saying “that looks socialist” is simply very silly and devoid of critical analysis.
I have no interest whatsoever in discussing this topic. The only people who want to discuss it are you and the other Labour supporter. And I very much doubt either of you have any significant expertise on the topic that would be worth listening to. If I want to learn about 1930’s Germany I’m sure there are better places to look than the politics forum of a swingers website. There is no shortage of books about the subject, many of which are sitting on my office shelves. I’m still wading through a 600 page biography of Himmler when I get the time.
I simply pointed out that the Labour Party has a history of anti semitism and the response of the Labour Party supporter was to start talking about Nazi Germany. I’ve no idea why. I can only assume it’s distraction and projection.
Do I bite or not hmmmmm?
And I very much doubt either of you have any significant expertise on the topic
Oh fuck it yeah why not…
I have a First Class Hons in European history 1850-1950 from one of the top three universities in the UK. Not going to say which one but let’s say the boat race was more fun when there was less shit in the water!
As for “the other Labour supporter” well I am not a Labour supporter. Just to be clear. But you went down the “Nazis were Socialists” route and it simply isn’t true no matter how many You Tube videos you watch or books you read by Frederich Hayek!
I didn’t go down the Nazis are Socialists route at all, that’s something you and the other Labour supporter are desperate to talk about, rather than Labour’s antisemitism problem.
It’s odd why Leftists appear to be so desperate to cleanse their ideology of any link to Hitler.
It really doesn’t matter, given that all the other mass murderers in recent times have all been socialists or communists. Maybe they think if they can at least disassociate themselves from one mass murderer their opinions can somehow become slightly less soiled.
Yeah but it went down like this…
Do you think the Nazis were socialists?
Well that’s what they called themselves.
Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei.
The clue might be in the name.
That looks like you went down the Nazis were Socialists route to me (annoying when the thread still has all the evidence to quote).
So now as I picked you up on that I’m a leftist! guess you don’t read what is being written (you don’t have to of course, may well be boring, but if you try to label people, at least get it right).
And having been completely debunked on the Nazis are Socialist thing you widen the goalposts to say yeah but look at these others!
Well duh! Yep guess what. Human beings are evil and most evil is undertaken by those at the extreme ends of the political spectrum. Stalin was a bastard! No argument there. So was Torquemada but that’s another version of extremism!
But unless you also conflate Socialism with Communism, then it is the latter who have been utter assholes and killed millions (oh and let’s not get into that branding discussion again, I know it was the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics).
Hysterical.
1. Person A raises fact of Labour having history of antisemitism
2. Person B tries to create distraction by talking about Nazi Germany
3. Person C sends dozens of posts about Nazi Germany and demanding that everyone else stops talking about Nazi Germany
4. Person C claims victory by having “debunked” claims that were never made in the first place, based on having spent an afternoon reading some comics about Hitler at a Poly two decades ago.
Are you jealous of people with honours degrees?"Not really why would I be? I have plenty of letters after my name, it doesn’t particularly interest me. | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) | |||
"Can you substantiate any of this nonsensical rambling or are you one of these people who thinks the Nazis were socialists? You don’t know anything about conservative politics. So you just like shouting racist at people who disagree with you. It was tired five years ago. Now it is just laughable. Do you think the Nazis were socialists? Well that’s what they called themselves. Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. The clue might be in the name. But what has that got to do with whether the Labour Party is antisemitic? I have made no mention of Nazis. Oddly that’s something you want to discuss. No mention of Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin. Do you dispute Labour’s antisemitism? Is the EHRC talking nonsense? Stop with the distraction and projection. You like to call out others’ “racism”. The Left should put its own house in order. Each must decide what their own conscience permits them to vote for. Personally I will have no truck with racists, bigots, anti semites and Jew baiters (that’s the Labour Party by the way). Because whether people think Nazis were socialists or not is one of the heuristics I use to decide whether someone is detached from reality or not. Because the ‘logic’ behind the name indicating they were means that North Korea should be considered a democracy given it’s name is the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. It also indicates a complete lack of any understanding of modern European history. I can only bow to your superior knowledge of history. And of course we shouldn’t read too much into the names of political parties. After all the Conservatives haven’t been conservative for some time, the Liberal Democrats are neither liberal nor democratic, and the Labour Party represents people who don’t do any productive work. We are well used to the misnomers. Bit embarrassing to have made the Nazis were Socialists statement though ain’t it
Which of the NSDAP’s policies between 1920 and 1945 do you deny were “socialist”?
Let’s start a specific thread of you want that kind of a discussion. Also if you search back through the forums you will find this has been previously been discussed at length and there is plenty of information to absorb.
Also reread my post further up. There were indeed some economic policies that in isolation can be classified as being socialist. However, any serious analysis understands that you need the full picture and wider political and contemporary context before you can even begin to attempt to label anything. Plucking a single policy(s) out and then with 21st century eyes and sensibilities saying “that looks socialist” is simply very silly and devoid of critical analysis.
I have no interest whatsoever in discussing this topic. The only people who want to discuss it are you and the other Labour supporter. And I very much doubt either of you have any significant expertise on the topic that would be worth listening to. If I want to learn about 1930’s Germany I’m sure there are better places to look than the politics forum of a swingers website. There is no shortage of books about the subject, many of which are sitting on my office shelves. I’m still wading through a 600 page biography of Himmler when I get the time.
I simply pointed out that the Labour Party has a history of anti semitism and the response of the Labour Party supporter was to start talking about Nazi Germany. I’ve no idea why. I can only assume it’s distraction and projection.
Do I bite or not hmmmmm?
And I very much doubt either of you have any significant expertise on the topic
Oh fuck it yeah why not…
I have a First Class Hons in European history 1850-1950 from one of the top three universities in the UK. Not going to say which one but let’s say the boat race was more fun when there was less shit in the water!
As for “the other Labour supporter” well I am not a Labour supporter. Just to be clear. But you went down the “Nazis were Socialists” route and it simply isn’t true no matter how many You Tube videos you watch or books you read by Frederich Hayek!
I didn’t go down the Nazis are Socialists route at all, that’s something you and the other Labour supporter are desperate to talk about, rather than Labour’s antisemitism problem.
It’s odd why Leftists appear to be so desperate to cleanse their ideology of any link to Hitler.
It really doesn’t matter, given that all the other mass murderers in recent times have all been socialists or communists. Maybe they think if they can at least disassociate themselves from one mass murderer their opinions can somehow become slightly less soiled.
Yeah but it went down like this…
Do you think the Nazis were socialists?
Well that’s what they called themselves.
Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei.
The clue might be in the name.
That looks like you went down the Nazis were Socialists route to me (annoying when the thread still has all the evidence to quote).
So now as I picked you up on that I’m a leftist! guess you don’t read what is being written (you don’t have to of course, may well be boring, but if you try to label people, at least get it right).
And having been completely debunked on the Nazis are Socialist thing you widen the goalposts to say yeah but look at these others!
Well duh! Yep guess what. Human beings are evil and most evil is undertaken by those at the extreme ends of the political spectrum. Stalin was a bastard! No argument there. So was Torquemada but that’s another version of extremism!
But unless you also conflate Socialism with Communism, then it is the latter who have been utter assholes and killed millions (oh and let’s not get into that branding discussion again, I know it was the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics).
Hysterical.
1. Person A raises fact of Labour having history of antisemitism
2. Person B tries to create distraction by talking about Nazi Germany
3. Person C sends dozens of posts about Nazi Germany and demanding that everyone else stops talking about Nazi Germany
4. Person C claims victory by having “debunked” claims that were never made in the first place, based on having spent an afternoon reading some comics about Hitler at a Poly two decades ago.
Are you jealous of people with honours degrees?
Not really why would I be? I have plenty of letters after my name, it doesn’t particularly interest me."Those that spell rude names don't count | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) | |||
"Can you substantiate any of this nonsensical rambling or are you one of these people who thinks the Nazis were socialists? You don’t know anything about conservative politics. So you just like shouting racist at people who disagree with you. It was tired five years ago. Now it is just laughable. Do you think the Nazis were socialists? Well that’s what they called themselves. Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. The clue might be in the name. But what has that got to do with whether the Labour Party is antisemitic? I have made no mention of Nazis. Oddly that’s something you want to discuss. No mention of Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin. Do you dispute Labour’s antisemitism? Is the EHRC talking nonsense? Stop with the distraction and projection. You like to call out others’ “racism”. The Left should put its own house in order. Each must decide what their own conscience permits them to vote for. Personally I will have no truck with racists, bigots, anti semites and Jew baiters (that’s the Labour Party by the way). Because whether people think Nazis were socialists or not is one of the heuristics I use to decide whether someone is detached from reality or not. Because the ‘logic’ behind the name indicating they were means that North Korea should be considered a democracy given it’s name is the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. It also indicates a complete lack of any understanding of modern European history. I can only bow to your superior knowledge of history. And of course we shouldn’t read too much into the names of political parties. After all the Conservatives haven’t been conservative for some time, the Liberal Democrats are neither liberal nor democratic, and the Labour Party represents people who don’t do any productive work. We are well used to the misnomers. Bit embarrassing to have made the Nazis were Socialists statement though ain’t it
Which of the NSDAP’s policies between 1920 and 1945 do you deny were “socialist”?
Let’s start a specific thread of you want that kind of a discussion. Also if you search back through the forums you will find this has been previously been discussed at length and there is plenty of information to absorb.
Also reread my post further up. There were indeed some economic policies that in isolation can be classified as being socialist. However, any serious analysis understands that you need the full picture and wider political and contemporary context before you can even begin to attempt to label anything. Plucking a single policy(s) out and then with 21st century eyes and sensibilities saying “that looks socialist” is simply very silly and devoid of critical analysis.
I have no interest whatsoever in discussing this topic. The only people who want to discuss it are you and the other Labour supporter. And I very much doubt either of you have any significant expertise on the topic that would be worth listening to. If I want to learn about 1930’s Germany I’m sure there are better places to look than the politics forum of a swingers website. There is no shortage of books about the subject, many of which are sitting on my office shelves. I’m still wading through a 600 page biography of Himmler when I get the time.
I simply pointed out that the Labour Party has a history of anti semitism and the response of the Labour Party supporter was to start talking about Nazi Germany. I’ve no idea why. I can only assume it’s distraction and projection.
Do I bite or not hmmmmm?
And I very much doubt either of you have any significant expertise on the topic
Oh fuck it yeah why not…
I have a First Class Hons in European history 1850-1950 from one of the top three universities in the UK. Not going to say which one but let’s say the boat race was more fun when there was less shit in the water!
As for “the other Labour supporter” well I am not a Labour supporter. Just to be clear. But you went down the “Nazis were Socialists” route and it simply isn’t true no matter how many You Tube videos you watch or books you read by Frederich Hayek!
I didn’t go down the Nazis are Socialists route at all, that’s something you and the other Labour supporter are desperate to talk about, rather than Labour’s antisemitism problem.
It’s odd why Leftists appear to be so desperate to cleanse their ideology of any link to Hitler.
It really doesn’t matter, given that all the other mass murderers in recent times have all been socialists or communists. Maybe they think if they can at least disassociate themselves from one mass murderer their opinions can somehow become slightly less soiled.
Yeah but it went down like this…
Do you think the Nazis were socialists?
Well that’s what they called themselves.
Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei.
The clue might be in the name.
That looks like you went down the Nazis were Socialists route to me (annoying when the thread still has all the evidence to quote).
So now as I picked you up on that I’m a leftist! guess you don’t read what is being written (you don’t have to of course, may well be boring, but if you try to label people, at least get it right).
And having been completely debunked on the Nazis are Socialist thing you widen the goalposts to say yeah but look at these others!
Well duh! Yep guess what. Human beings are evil and most evil is undertaken by those at the extreme ends of the political spectrum. Stalin was a bastard! No argument there. So was Torquemada but that’s another version of extremism!
But unless you also conflate Socialism with Communism, then it is the latter who have been utter assholes and killed millions (oh and let’s not get into that branding discussion again, I know it was the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics).
Hysterical.
1. Person A raises fact of Labour having history of antisemitism
2. Person B tries to create distraction by talking about Nazi Germany
3. Person C sends dozens of posts about Nazi Germany and demanding that everyone else stops talking about Nazi Germany
4. Person C claims victory by having “debunked” claims that were never made in the first place, based on having spent an afternoon reading some comics about Hitler at a Poly two decades ago.
You just made yourself look very very silly indeed. The thread history is all there for everyone to see. Just embarrassing yourself now, please stop!
Poly! You are old! Uni darling, a very good one too
I’m also not a Labour supporter, I will just vote for them as they have the best chance of unseating the Tory in the constituency I live in. It’s a practice I adopt wherever I live, and have voted LibDem and SNP, as well as Labour.
The most important thing in my view is to rid the country of the blight of a Conservative government."I think you'll find that anyone a barleycorn to the left of Herman Goring (presumably also a socialist), is a loony left labour supporter. | |||
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"Can you substantiate any of this nonsensical rambling or are you one of these people who thinks the Nazis were socialists? You don’t know anything about conservative politics. So you just like shouting racist at people who disagree with you. It was tired five years ago. Now it is just laughable. Do you think the Nazis were socialists? Well that’s what they called themselves. Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. The clue might be in the name. But what has that got to do with whether the Labour Party is antisemitic? I have made no mention of Nazis. Oddly that’s something you want to discuss. No mention of Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin. Do you dispute Labour’s antisemitism? Is the EHRC talking nonsense? Stop with the distraction and projection. You like to call out others’ “racism”. The Left should put its own house in order. Each must decide what their own conscience permits them to vote for. Personally I will have no truck with racists, bigots, anti semites and Jew baiters (that’s the Labour Party by the way). Because whether people think Nazis were socialists or not is one of the heuristics I use to decide whether someone is detached from reality or not. Because the ‘logic’ behind the name indicating they were means that North Korea should be considered a democracy given it’s name is the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. It also indicates a complete lack of any understanding of modern European history. I can only bow to your superior knowledge of history. And of course we shouldn’t read too much into the names of political parties. After all the Conservatives haven’t been conservative for some time, the Liberal Democrats are neither liberal nor democratic, and the Labour Party represents people who don’t do any productive work. We are well used to the misnomers. Bit embarrassing to have made the Nazis were Socialists statement though ain’t it
Which of the NSDAP’s policies between 1920 and 1945 do you deny were “socialist”?
Let’s start a specific thread of you want that kind of a discussion. Also if you search back through the forums you will find this has been previously been discussed at length and there is plenty of information to absorb.
Also reread my post further up. There were indeed some economic policies that in isolation can be classified as being socialist. However, any serious analysis understands that you need the full picture and wider political and contemporary context before you can even begin to attempt to label anything. Plucking a single policy(s) out and then with 21st century eyes and sensibilities saying “that looks socialist” is simply very silly and devoid of critical analysis.
I have no interest whatsoever in discussing this topic. The only people who want to discuss it are you and the other Labour supporter. And I very much doubt either of you have any significant expertise on the topic that would be worth listening to. If I want to learn about 1930’s Germany I’m sure there are better places to look than the politics forum of a swingers website. There is no shortage of books about the subject, many of which are sitting on my office shelves. I’m still wading through a 600 page biography of Himmler when I get the time.
I simply pointed out that the Labour Party has a history of anti semitism and the response of the Labour Party supporter was to start talking about Nazi Germany. I’ve no idea why. I can only assume it’s distraction and projection.
Do I bite or not hmmmmm?
And I very much doubt either of you have any significant expertise on the topic
Oh fuck it yeah why not…
I have a First Class Hons in European history 1850-1950 from one of the top three universities in the UK. Not going to say which one but let’s say the boat race was more fun when there was less shit in the water!
As for “the other Labour supporter” well I am not a Labour supporter. Just to be clear. But you went down the “Nazis were Socialists” route and it simply isn’t true no matter how many You Tube videos you watch or books you read by Frederich Hayek!
I didn’t go down the Nazis are Socialists route at all, that’s something you and the other Labour supporter are desperate to talk about, rather than Labour’s antisemitism problem.
It’s odd why Leftists appear to be so desperate to cleanse their ideology of any link to Hitler.
It really doesn’t matter, given that all the other mass murderers in recent times have all been socialists or communists. Maybe they think if they can at least disassociate themselves from one mass murderer their opinions can somehow become slightly less soiled.
Yeah but it went down like this…
Do you think the Nazis were socialists?
Well that’s what they called themselves.
Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei.
The clue might be in the name.
That looks like you went down the Nazis were Socialists route to me (annoying when the thread still has all the evidence to quote).
So now as I picked you up on that I’m a leftist! guess you don’t read what is being written (you don’t have to of course, may well be boring, but if you try to label people, at least get it right).
And having been completely debunked on the Nazis are Socialist thing you widen the goalposts to say yeah but look at these others!
Well duh! Yep guess what. Human beings are evil and most evil is undertaken by those at the extreme ends of the political spectrum. Stalin was a bastard! No argument there. So was Torquemada but that’s another version of extremism!
But unless you also conflate Socialism with Communism, then it is the latter who have been utter assholes and killed millions (oh and let’s not get into that branding discussion again, I know it was the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics).
Hysterical.
1. Person A raises fact of Labour having history of antisemitism
2. Person B tries to create distraction by talking about Nazi Germany
3. Person C sends dozens of posts about Nazi Germany and demanding that everyone else stops talking about Nazi Germany
4. Person C claims victory by having “debunked” claims that were never made in the first place, based on having spent an afternoon reading some comics about Hitler at a Poly two decades ago.
You just made yourself look very very silly indeed. The thread history is all there for everyone to see. Just embarrassing yourself now, please stop!
Poly! You are old! Uni darling, a very good one too
I’m also not a Labour supporter, I will just vote for them as they have the best chance of unseating the Tory in the constituency I live in. It’s a practice I adopt wherever I live, and have voted LibDem and SNP, as well as Labour.
The most important thing in my view is to rid the country of the blight of a Conservative government.
I think you'll find that anyone a barleycorn to the left of Herman Goring (presumably also a socialist), is a loony left labour supporter.
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"Can you substantiate any of this nonsensical rambling or are you one of these people who thinks the Nazis were socialists? You don’t know anything about conservative politics. So you just like shouting racist at people who disagree with you. It was tired five years ago. Now it is just laughable. Do you think the Nazis were socialists? Well that’s what they called themselves. Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. The clue might be in the name. But what has that got to do with whether the Labour Party is antisemitic? I have made no mention of Nazis. Oddly that’s something you want to discuss. No mention of Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin. Do you dispute Labour’s antisemitism? Is the EHRC talking nonsense? Stop with the distraction and projection. You like to call out others’ “racism”. The Left should put its own house in order. Each must decide what their own conscience permits them to vote for. Personally I will have no truck with racists, bigots, anti semites and Jew baiters (that’s the Labour Party by the way). Because whether people think Nazis were socialists or not is one of the heuristics I use to decide whether someone is detached from reality or not. Because the ‘logic’ behind the name indicating they were means that North Korea should be considered a democracy given it’s name is the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. It also indicates a complete lack of any understanding of modern European history. I can only bow to your superior knowledge of history. And of course we shouldn’t read too much into the names of political parties. After all the Conservatives haven’t been conservative for some time, the Liberal Democrats are neither liberal nor democratic, and the Labour Party represents people who don’t do any productive work. We are well used to the misnomers. Bit embarrassing to have made the Nazis were Socialists statement though ain’t it
Which of the NSDAP’s policies between 1920 and 1945 do you deny were “socialist”?
Let’s start a specific thread of you want that kind of a discussion. Also if you search back through the forums you will find this has been previously been discussed at length and there is plenty of information to absorb.
Also reread my post further up. There were indeed some economic policies that in isolation can be classified as being socialist. However, any serious analysis understands that you need the full picture and wider political and contemporary context before you can even begin to attempt to label anything. Plucking a single policy(s) out and then with 21st century eyes and sensibilities saying “that looks socialist” is simply very silly and devoid of critical analysis.
I have no interest whatsoever in discussing this topic. The only people who want to discuss it are you and the other Labour supporter. And I very much doubt either of you have any significant expertise on the topic that would be worth listening to. If I want to learn about 1930’s Germany I’m sure there are better places to look than the politics forum of a swingers website. There is no shortage of books about the subject, many of which are sitting on my office shelves. I’m still wading through a 600 page biography of Himmler when I get the time.
I simply pointed out that the Labour Party has a history of anti semitism and the response of the Labour Party supporter was to start talking about Nazi Germany. I’ve no idea why. I can only assume it’s distraction and projection.
Do I bite or not hmmmmm?
And I very much doubt either of you have any significant expertise on the topic
Oh fuck it yeah why not…
I have a First Class Hons in European history 1850-1950 from one of the top three universities in the UK. Not going to say which one but let’s say the boat race was more fun when there was less shit in the water!
As for “the other Labour supporter” well I am not a Labour supporter. Just to be clear. But you went down the “Nazis were Socialists” route and it simply isn’t true no matter how many You Tube videos you watch or books you read by Frederich Hayek!
I didn’t go down the Nazis are Socialists route at all, that’s something you and the other Labour supporter are desperate to talk about, rather than Labour’s antisemitism problem.
It’s odd why Leftists appear to be so desperate to cleanse their ideology of any link to Hitler.
It really doesn’t matter, given that all the other mass murderers in recent times have all been socialists or communists. Maybe they think if they can at least disassociate themselves from one mass murderer their opinions can somehow become slightly less soiled.
Yeah but it went down like this…
Do you think the Nazis were socialists?
Well that’s what they called themselves.
Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei.
The clue might be in the name.
That looks like you went down the Nazis were Socialists route to me (annoying when the thread still has all the evidence to quote).
So now as I picked you up on that I’m a leftist! guess you don’t read what is being written (you don’t have to of course, may well be boring, but if you try to label people, at least get it right).
And having been completely debunked on the Nazis are Socialist thing you widen the goalposts to say yeah but look at these others!
Well duh! Yep guess what. Human beings are evil and most evil is undertaken by those at the extreme ends of the political spectrum. Stalin was a bastard! No argument there. So was Torquemada but that’s another version of extremism!
But unless you also conflate Socialism with Communism, then it is the latter who have been utter assholes and killed millions (oh and let’s not get into that branding discussion again, I know it was the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics).
Hysterical.
1. Person A raises fact of Labour having history of antisemitism
2. Person B tries to create distraction by talking about Nazi Germany
3. Person C sends dozens of posts about Nazi Germany and demanding that everyone else stops talking about Nazi Germany
4. Person C claims victory by having “debunked” claims that were never made in the first place, based on having spent an afternoon reading some comics about Hitler at a Poly two decades ago.
You just made yourself look very very silly indeed. The thread history is all there for everyone to see. Just embarrassing yourself now, please stop!
Poly! You are old! Uni darling, a very good one too
I’m also not a Labour supporter, I will just vote for them as they have the best chance of unseating the Tory in the constituency I live in. It’s a practice I adopt wherever I live, and have voted LibDem and SNP, as well as Labour.
The most important thing in my view is to rid the country of the blight of a Conservative government.
I think you'll find that anyone a barleycorn to the left of Herman Goring (presumably also a socialist), is a loony left labour supporter.
"yep I’d go with that lol | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) | |||
"Can you substantiate any of this nonsensical rambling or are you one of these people who thinks the Nazis were socialists? You don’t know anything about conservative politics. So you just like shouting racist at people who disagree with you. It was tired five years ago. Now it is just laughable. Do you think the Nazis were socialists? Well that’s what they called themselves. Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. The clue might be in the name. But what has that got to do with whether the Labour Party is antisemitic? I have made no mention of Nazis. Oddly that’s something you want to discuss. No mention of Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin. Do you dispute Labour’s antisemitism? Is the EHRC talking nonsense? Stop with the distraction and projection. You like to call out others’ “racism”. The Left should put its own house in order. Each must decide what their own conscience permits them to vote for. Personally I will have no truck with racists, bigots, anti semites and Jew baiters (that’s the Labour Party by the way). Because whether people think Nazis were socialists or not is one of the heuristics I use to decide whether someone is detached from reality or not. Because the ‘logic’ behind the name indicating they were means that North Korea should be considered a democracy given it’s name is the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. It also indicates a complete lack of any understanding of modern European history. I can only bow to your superior knowledge of history. And of course we shouldn’t read too much into the names of political parties. After all the Conservatives haven’t been conservative for some time, the Liberal Democrats are neither liberal nor democratic, and the Labour Party represents people who don’t do any productive work. We are well used to the misnomers. Bit embarrassing to have made the Nazis were Socialists statement though ain’t it
Which of the NSDAP’s policies between 1920 and 1945 do you deny were “socialist”?
Let’s start a specific thread of you want that kind of a discussion. Also if you search back through the forums you will find this has been previously been discussed at length and there is plenty of information to absorb.
Also reread my post further up. There were indeed some economic policies that in isolation can be classified as being socialist. However, any serious analysis understands that you need the full picture and wider political and contemporary context before you can even begin to attempt to label anything. Plucking a single policy(s) out and then with 21st century eyes and sensibilities saying “that looks socialist” is simply very silly and devoid of critical analysis.
I have no interest whatsoever in discussing this topic. The only people who want to discuss it are you and the other Labour supporter. And I very much doubt either of you have any significant expertise on the topic that would be worth listening to. If I want to learn about 1930’s Germany I’m sure there are better places to look than the politics forum of a swingers website. There is no shortage of books about the subject, many of which are sitting on my office shelves. I’m still wading through a 600 page biography of Himmler when I get the time.
I simply pointed out that the Labour Party has a history of anti semitism and the response of the Labour Party supporter was to start talking about Nazi Germany. I’ve no idea why. I can only assume it’s distraction and projection.
Do I bite or not hmmmmm?
And I very much doubt either of you have any significant expertise on the topic
Oh fuck it yeah why not…
I have a First Class Hons in European history 1850-1950 from one of the top three universities in the UK. Not going to say which one but let’s say the boat race was more fun when there was less shit in the water!
As for “the other Labour supporter” well I am not a Labour supporter. Just to be clear. But you went down the “Nazis were Socialists” route and it simply isn’t true no matter how many You Tube videos you watch or books you read by Frederich Hayek!
I didn’t go down the Nazis are Socialists route at all, that’s something you and the other Labour supporter are desperate to talk about, rather than Labour’s antisemitism problem.
It’s odd why Leftists appear to be so desperate to cleanse their ideology of any link to Hitler.
It really doesn’t matter, given that all the other mass murderers in recent times have all been socialists or communists. Maybe they think if they can at least disassociate themselves from one mass murderer their opinions can somehow become slightly less soiled.
Yeah but it went down like this…
Do you think the Nazis were socialists?
Well that’s what they called themselves.
Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei.
The clue might be in the name.
That looks like you went down the Nazis were Socialists route to me (annoying when the thread still has all the evidence to quote).
So now as I picked you up on that I’m a leftist! guess you don’t read what is being written (you don’t have to of course, may well be boring, but if you try to label people, at least get it right).
And having been completely debunked on the Nazis are Socialist thing you widen the goalposts to say yeah but look at these others!
Well duh! Yep guess what. Human beings are evil and most evil is undertaken by those at the extreme ends of the political spectrum. Stalin was a bastard! No argument there. So was Torquemada but that’s another version of extremism!
But unless you also conflate Socialism with Communism, then it is the latter who have been utter assholes and killed millions (oh and let’s not get into that branding discussion again, I know it was the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics).
Hysterical.
1. Person A raises fact of Labour having history of antisemitism
2. Person B tries to create distraction by talking about Nazi Germany
3. Person C sends dozens of posts about Nazi Germany and demanding that everyone else stops talking about Nazi Germany
4. Person C claims victory by having “debunked” claims that were never made in the first place, based on having spent an afternoon reading some comics about Hitler at a Poly two decades ago.
You just made yourself look very very silly indeed. The thread history is all there for everyone to see. Just embarrassing yourself now, please stop!
Poly! You are old! Uni darling, a very good one too
I’m also not a Labour supporter, I will just vote for them as they have the best chance of unseating the Tory in the constituency I live in. It’s a practice I adopt wherever I live, and have voted LibDem and SNP, as well as Labour.
The most important thing in my view is to rid the country of the blight of a Conservative government.
I think you'll find that anyone a barleycorn to the left of Herman Goring (presumably also a socialist), is a loony left labour supporter.
"Gnat’s pube surely | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) | |||
"Can you substantiate any of this nonsensical rambling or are you one of these people who thinks the Nazis were socialists? You don’t know anything about conservative politics. So you just like shouting racist at people who disagree with you. It was tired five years ago. Now it is just laughable. Do you think the Nazis were socialists? Well that’s what they called themselves. Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. The clue might be in the name. But what has that got to do with whether the Labour Party is antisemitic? I have made no mention of Nazis. Oddly that’s something you want to discuss. No mention of Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin. Do you dispute Labour’s antisemitism? Is the EHRC talking nonsense? Stop with the distraction and projection. You like to call out others’ “racism”. The Left should put its own house in order. Each must decide what their own conscience permits them to vote for. Personally I will have no truck with racists, bigots, anti semites and Jew baiters (that’s the Labour Party by the way). Because whether people think Nazis were socialists or not is one of the heuristics I use to decide whether someone is detached from reality or not. Because the ‘logic’ behind the name indicating they were means that North Korea should be considered a democracy given it’s name is the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. It also indicates a complete lack of any understanding of modern European history. I can only bow to your superior knowledge of history. And of course we shouldn’t read too much into the names of political parties. After all the Conservatives haven’t been conservative for some time, the Liberal Democrats are neither liberal nor democratic, and the Labour Party represents people who don’t do any productive work. We are well used to the misnomers. Bit embarrassing to have made the Nazis were Socialists statement though ain’t it
Which of the NSDAP’s policies between 1920 and 1945 do you deny were “socialist”?
Let’s start a specific thread of you want that kind of a discussion. Also if you search back through the forums you will find this has been previously been discussed at length and there is plenty of information to absorb.
Also reread my post further up. There were indeed some economic policies that in isolation can be classified as being socialist. However, any serious analysis understands that you need the full picture and wider political and contemporary context before you can even begin to attempt to label anything. Plucking a single policy(s) out and then with 21st century eyes and sensibilities saying “that looks socialist” is simply very silly and devoid of critical analysis.
I have no interest whatsoever in discussing this topic. The only people who want to discuss it are you and the other Labour supporter. And I very much doubt either of you have any significant expertise on the topic that would be worth listening to. If I want to learn about 1930’s Germany I’m sure there are better places to look than the politics forum of a swingers website. There is no shortage of books about the subject, many of which are sitting on my office shelves. I’m still wading through a 600 page biography of Himmler when I get the time.
I simply pointed out that the Labour Party has a history of anti semitism and the response of the Labour Party supporter was to start talking about Nazi Germany. I’ve no idea why. I can only assume it’s distraction and projection.
Do I bite or not hmmmmm?
And I very much doubt either of you have any significant expertise on the topic
Oh fuck it yeah why not…
I have a First Class Hons in European history 1850-1950 from one of the top three universities in the UK. Not going to say which one but let’s say the boat race was more fun when there was less shit in the water!
As for “the other Labour supporter” well I am not a Labour supporter. Just to be clear. But you went down the “Nazis were Socialists” route and it simply isn’t true no matter how many You Tube videos you watch or books you read by Frederich Hayek!
I didn’t go down the Nazis are Socialists route at all, that’s something you and the other Labour supporter are desperate to talk about, rather than Labour’s antisemitism problem.
It’s odd why Leftists appear to be so desperate to cleanse their ideology of any link to Hitler.
It really doesn’t matter, given that all the other mass murderers in recent times have all been socialists or communists. Maybe they think if they can at least disassociate themselves from one mass murderer their opinions can somehow become slightly less soiled.
Yeah but it went down like this…
Do you think the Nazis were socialists?
Well that’s what they called themselves.
Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei.
The clue might be in the name.
That looks like you went down the Nazis were Socialists route to me (annoying when the thread still has all the evidence to quote).
So now as I picked you up on that I’m a leftist! guess you don’t read what is being written (you don’t have to of course, may well be boring, but if you try to label people, at least get it right).
And having been completely debunked on the Nazis are Socialist thing you widen the goalposts to say yeah but look at these others!
Well duh! Yep guess what. Human beings are evil and most evil is undertaken by those at the extreme ends of the political spectrum. Stalin was a bastard! No argument there. So was Torquemada but that’s another version of extremism!
But unless you also conflate Socialism with Communism, then it is the latter who have been utter assholes and killed millions (oh and let’s not get into that branding discussion again, I know it was the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics).
Hysterical.
1. Person A raises fact of Labour having history of antisemitism
2. Person B tries to create distraction by talking about Nazi Germany
3. Person C sends dozens of posts about Nazi Germany and demanding that everyone else stops talking about Nazi Germany
4. Person C claims victory by having “debunked” claims that were never made in the first place, based on having spent an afternoon reading some comics about Hitler at a Poly two decades ago.
You just made yourself look very very silly indeed. The thread history is all there for everyone to see. Just embarrassing yourself now, please stop!
Poly! You are old! Uni darling, a very good one too
Nobody who went to a decent University would call it “Uni”.
Why not?
It’s chav and lowbrow."Ah, ok. I wouldn’t know about those things. | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) | |||
"Can you substantiate any of this nonsensical rambling or are you one of these people who thinks the Nazis were socialists? You don’t know anything about conservative politics. So you just like shouting racist at people who disagree with you. It was tired five years ago. Now it is just laughable. Do you think the Nazis were socialists? Well that’s what they called themselves. Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. The clue might be in the name. But what has that got to do with whether the Labour Party is antisemitic? I have made no mention of Nazis. Oddly that’s something you want to discuss. No mention of Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin. Do you dispute Labour’s antisemitism? Is the EHRC talking nonsense? Stop with the distraction and projection. You like to call out others’ “racism”. The Left should put its own house in order. Each must decide what their own conscience permits them to vote for. Personally I will have no truck with racists, bigots, anti semites and Jew baiters (that’s the Labour Party by the way). Because whether people think Nazis were socialists or not is one of the heuristics I use to decide whether someone is detached from reality or not. Because the ‘logic’ behind the name indicating they were means that North Korea should be considered a democracy given it’s name is the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. It also indicates a complete lack of any understanding of modern European history. I can only bow to your superior knowledge of history. And of course we shouldn’t read too much into the names of political parties. After all the Conservatives haven’t been conservative for some time, the Liberal Democrats are neither liberal nor democratic, and the Labour Party represents people who don’t do any productive work. We are well used to the misnomers. Bit embarrassing to have made the Nazis were Socialists statement though ain’t it
Which of the NSDAP’s policies between 1920 and 1945 do you deny were “socialist”?
Let’s start a specific thread of you want that kind of a discussion. Also if you search back through the forums you will find this has been previously been discussed at length and there is plenty of information to absorb.
Also reread my post further up. There were indeed some economic policies that in isolation can be classified as being socialist. However, any serious analysis understands that you need the full picture and wider political and contemporary context before you can even begin to attempt to label anything. Plucking a single policy(s) out and then with 21st century eyes and sensibilities saying “that looks socialist” is simply very silly and devoid of critical analysis.
I have no interest whatsoever in discussing this topic. The only people who want to discuss it are you and the other Labour supporter. And I very much doubt either of you have any significant expertise on the topic that would be worth listening to. If I want to learn about 1930’s Germany I’m sure there are better places to look than the politics forum of a swingers website. There is no shortage of books about the subject, many of which are sitting on my office shelves. I’m still wading through a 600 page biography of Himmler when I get the time.
I simply pointed out that the Labour Party has a history of anti semitism and the response of the Labour Party supporter was to start talking about Nazi Germany. I’ve no idea why. I can only assume it’s distraction and projection.
Do I bite or not hmmmmm?
And I very much doubt either of you have any significant expertise on the topic
Oh fuck it yeah why not…
I have a First Class Hons in European history 1850-1950 from one of the top three universities in the UK. Not going to say which one but let’s say the boat race was more fun when there was less shit in the water!
As for “the other Labour supporter” well I am not a Labour supporter. Just to be clear. But you went down the “Nazis were Socialists” route and it simply isn’t true no matter how many You Tube videos you watch or books you read by Frederich Hayek!
I didn’t go down the Nazis are Socialists route at all, that’s something you and the other Labour supporter are desperate to talk about, rather than Labour’s antisemitism problem.
It’s odd why Leftists appear to be so desperate to cleanse their ideology of any link to Hitler.
It really doesn’t matter, given that all the other mass murderers in recent times have all been socialists or communists. Maybe they think if they can at least disassociate themselves from one mass murderer their opinions can somehow become slightly less soiled.
Yeah but it went down like this…
Do you think the Nazis were socialists?
Well that’s what they called themselves.
Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei.
The clue might be in the name.
That looks like you went down the Nazis were Socialists route to me (annoying when the thread still has all the evidence to quote).
So now as I picked you up on that I’m a leftist! guess you don’t read what is being written (you don’t have to of course, may well be boring, but if you try to label people, at least get it right).
And having been completely debunked on the Nazis are Socialist thing you widen the goalposts to say yeah but look at these others!
Well duh! Yep guess what. Human beings are evil and most evil is undertaken by those at the extreme ends of the political spectrum. Stalin was a bastard! No argument there. So was Torquemada but that’s another version of extremism!
But unless you also conflate Socialism with Communism, then it is the latter who have been utter assholes and killed millions (oh and let’s not get into that branding discussion again, I know it was the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics).
Hysterical.
1. Person A raises fact of Labour having history of antisemitism
2. Person B tries to create distraction by talking about Nazi Germany
3. Person C sends dozens of posts about Nazi Germany and demanding that everyone else stops talking about Nazi Germany
4. Person C claims victory by having “debunked” claims that were never made in the first place, based on having spent an afternoon reading some comics about Hitler at a Poly two decades ago.
You just made yourself look very very silly indeed. The thread history is all there for everyone to see. Just embarrassing yourself now, please stop!
Poly! You are old! Uni darling, a very good one too
Nobody who went to a decent University would call it “Uni”.
Why not?
It’s chav and lowbrow."Lolz that’s me told
And from the chap who said “poly” too!!! | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) | |||
"Can you substantiate any of this nonsensical rambling or are you one of these people who thinks the Nazis were socialists? You don’t know anything about conservative politics. So you just like shouting racist at people who disagree with you. It was tired five years ago. Now it is just laughable. Do you think the Nazis were socialists? Well that’s what they called themselves. Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. The clue might be in the name. But what has that got to do with whether the Labour Party is antisemitic? I have made no mention of Nazis. Oddly that’s something you want to discuss. No mention of Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin. Do you dispute Labour’s antisemitism? Is the EHRC talking nonsense? Stop with the distraction and projection. You like to call out others’ “racism”. The Left should put its own house in order. Each must decide what their own conscience permits them to vote for. Personally I will have no truck with racists, bigots, anti semites and Jew baiters (that’s the Labour Party by the way). Because whether people think Nazis were socialists or not is one of the heuristics I use to decide whether someone is detached from reality or not. Because the ‘logic’ behind the name indicating they were means that North Korea should be considered a democracy given it’s name is the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. It also indicates a complete lack of any understanding of modern European history. I can only bow to your superior knowledge of history. And of course we shouldn’t read too much into the names of political parties. After all the Conservatives haven’t been conservative for some time, the Liberal Democrats are neither liberal nor democratic, and the Labour Party represents people who don’t do any productive work. We are well used to the misnomers. Bit embarrassing to have made the Nazis were Socialists statement though ain’t it
Which of the NSDAP’s policies between 1920 and 1945 do you deny were “socialist”?
Let’s start a specific thread of you want that kind of a discussion. Also if you search back through the forums you will find this has been previously been discussed at length and there is plenty of information to absorb.
Also reread my post further up. There were indeed some economic policies that in isolation can be classified as being socialist. However, any serious analysis understands that you need the full picture and wider political and contemporary context before you can even begin to attempt to label anything. Plucking a single policy(s) out and then with 21st century eyes and sensibilities saying “that looks socialist” is simply very silly and devoid of critical analysis.
I have no interest whatsoever in discussing this topic. The only people who want to discuss it are you and the other Labour supporter. And I very much doubt either of you have any significant expertise on the topic that would be worth listening to. If I want to learn about 1930’s Germany I’m sure there are better places to look than the politics forum of a swingers website. There is no shortage of books about the subject, many of which are sitting on my office shelves. I’m still wading through a 600 page biography of Himmler when I get the time.
I simply pointed out that the Labour Party has a history of anti semitism and the response of the Labour Party supporter was to start talking about Nazi Germany. I’ve no idea why. I can only assume it’s distraction and projection.
Do I bite or not hmmmmm?
And I very much doubt either of you have any significant expertise on the topic
Oh fuck it yeah why not…
I have a First Class Hons in European history 1850-1950 from one of the top three universities in the UK. Not going to say which one but let’s say the boat race was more fun when there was less shit in the water!
As for “the other Labour supporter” well I am not a Labour supporter. Just to be clear. But you went down the “Nazis were Socialists” route and it simply isn’t true no matter how many You Tube videos you watch or books you read by Frederich Hayek!
I didn’t go down the Nazis are Socialists route at all, that’s something you and the other Labour supporter are desperate to talk about, rather than Labour’s antisemitism problem.
It’s odd why Leftists appear to be so desperate to cleanse their ideology of any link to Hitler.
It really doesn’t matter, given that all the other mass murderers in recent times have all been socialists or communists. Maybe they think if they can at least disassociate themselves from one mass murderer their opinions can somehow become slightly less soiled.
Yeah but it went down like this…
Do you think the Nazis were socialists?
Well that’s what they called themselves.
Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei.
The clue might be in the name.
That looks like you went down the Nazis were Socialists route to me (annoying when the thread still has all the evidence to quote).
So now as I picked you up on that I’m a leftist! guess you don’t read what is being written (you don’t have to of course, may well be boring, but if you try to label people, at least get it right).
And having been completely debunked on the Nazis are Socialist thing you widen the goalposts to say yeah but look at these others!
Well duh! Yep guess what. Human beings are evil and most evil is undertaken by those at the extreme ends of the political spectrum. Stalin was a bastard! No argument there. So was Torquemada but that’s another version of extremism!
But unless you also conflate Socialism with Communism, then it is the latter who have been utter assholes and killed millions (oh and let’s not get into that branding discussion again, I know it was the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics).
Hysterical.
1. Person A raises fact of Labour having history of antisemitism
2. Person B tries to create distraction by talking about Nazi Germany
3. Person C sends dozens of posts about Nazi Germany and demanding that everyone else stops talking about Nazi Germany
4. Person C claims victory by having “debunked” claims that were never made in the first place, based on having spent an afternoon reading some comics about Hitler at a Poly two decades ago.
You just made yourself look very very silly indeed. The thread history is all there for everyone to see. Just embarrassing yourself now, please stop!
Poly! You are old! Uni darling, a very good one too
I’m also not a Labour supporter, I will just vote for them as they have the best chance of unseating the Tory in the constituency I live in. It’s a practice I adopt wherever I live, and have voted LibDem and SNP, as well as Labour.
The most important thing in my view is to rid the country of the blight of a Conservative government.
I think you'll find that anyone a barleycorn to the left of Herman Goring (presumably also a socialist), is a loony left labour supporter.
Gnat’s pube surely "
We've ditched the communist decimal system and modernised in anticipation of Reform getting some seats and got imperial. | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) | |||
"Can you substantiate any of this nonsensical rambling or are you one of these people who thinks the Nazis were socialists? You don’t know anything about conservative politics. So you just like shouting racist at people who disagree with you. It was tired five years ago. Now it is just laughable. Do you think the Nazis were socialists? Well that’s what they called themselves. Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. The clue might be in the name. But what has that got to do with whether the Labour Party is antisemitic? I have made no mention of Nazis. Oddly that’s something you want to discuss. No mention of Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin. Do you dispute Labour’s antisemitism? Is the EHRC talking nonsense? Stop with the distraction and projection. You like to call out others’ “racism”. The Left should put its own house in order. Each must decide what their own conscience permits them to vote for. Personally I will have no truck with racists, bigots, anti semites and Jew baiters (that’s the Labour Party by the way). Because whether people think Nazis were socialists or not is one of the heuristics I use to decide whether someone is detached from reality or not. Because the ‘logic’ behind the name indicating they were means that North Korea should be considered a democracy given it’s name is the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. It also indicates a complete lack of any understanding of modern European history. I can only bow to your superior knowledge of history. And of course we shouldn’t read too much into the names of political parties. After all the Conservatives haven’t been conservative for some time, the Liberal Democrats are neither liberal nor democratic, and the Labour Party represents people who don’t do any productive work. We are well used to the misnomers. Bit embarrassing to have made the Nazis were Socialists statement though ain’t it
Which of the NSDAP’s policies between 1920 and 1945 do you deny were “socialist”?
Let’s start a specific thread of you want that kind of a discussion. Also if you search back through the forums you will find this has been previously been discussed at length and there is plenty of information to absorb.
Also reread my post further up. There were indeed some economic policies that in isolation can be classified as being socialist. However, any serious analysis understands that you need the full picture and wider political and contemporary context before you can even begin to attempt to label anything. Plucking a single policy(s) out and then with 21st century eyes and sensibilities saying “that looks socialist” is simply very silly and devoid of critical analysis.
I have no interest whatsoever in discussing this topic. The only people who want to discuss it are you and the other Labour supporter. And I very much doubt either of you have any significant expertise on the topic that would be worth listening to. If I want to learn about 1930’s Germany I’m sure there are better places to look than the politics forum of a swingers website. There is no shortage of books about the subject, many of which are sitting on my office shelves. I’m still wading through a 600 page biography of Himmler when I get the time.
I simply pointed out that the Labour Party has a history of anti semitism and the response of the Labour Party supporter was to start talking about Nazi Germany. I’ve no idea why. I can only assume it’s distraction and projection.
Do I bite or not hmmmmm?
And I very much doubt either of you have any significant expertise on the topic
Oh fuck it yeah why not…
I have a First Class Hons in European history 1850-1950 from one of the top three universities in the UK. Not going to say which one but let’s say the boat race was more fun when there was less shit in the water!
As for “the other Labour supporter” well I am not a Labour supporter. Just to be clear. But you went down the “Nazis were Socialists” route and it simply isn’t true no matter how many You Tube videos you watch or books you read by Frederich Hayek!
I didn’t go down the Nazis are Socialists route at all, that’s something you and the other Labour supporter are desperate to talk about, rather than Labour’s antisemitism problem.
It’s odd why Leftists appear to be so desperate to cleanse their ideology of any link to Hitler.
It really doesn’t matter, given that all the other mass murderers in recent times have all been socialists or communists. Maybe they think if they can at least disassociate themselves from one mass murderer their opinions can somehow become slightly less soiled.
Yeah but it went down like this…
Do you think the Nazis were socialists?
Well that’s what they called themselves.
Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei.
The clue might be in the name.
That looks like you went down the Nazis were Socialists route to me (annoying when the thread still has all the evidence to quote).
So now as I picked you up on that I’m a leftist! guess you don’t read what is being written (you don’t have to of course, may well be boring, but if you try to label people, at least get it right).
And having been completely debunked on the Nazis are Socialist thing you widen the goalposts to say yeah but look at these others!
Well duh! Yep guess what. Human beings are evil and most evil is undertaken by those at the extreme ends of the political spectrum. Stalin was a bastard! No argument there. So was Torquemada but that’s another version of extremism!
But unless you also conflate Socialism with Communism, then it is the latter who have been utter assholes and killed millions (oh and let’s not get into that branding discussion again, I know it was the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics).
Hysterical.
1. Person A raises fact of Labour having history of antisemitism
2. Person B tries to create distraction by talking about Nazi Germany
3. Person C sends dozens of posts about Nazi Germany and demanding that everyone else stops talking about Nazi Germany
4. Person C claims victory by having “debunked” claims that were never made in the first place, based on having spent an afternoon reading some comics about Hitler at a Poly two decades ago.
You just made yourself look very very silly indeed. The thread history is all there for everyone to see. Just embarrassing yourself now, please stop!
Poly! You are old! Uni darling, a very good one too
I’m also not a Labour supporter, I will just vote for them as they have the best chance of unseating the Tory in the constituency I live in. It’s a practice I adopt wherever I live, and have voted LibDem and SNP, as well as Labour.
The most important thing in my view is to rid the country of the blight of a Conservative government.
I think you'll find that anyone a barleycorn to the left of Herman Goring (presumably also a socialist), is a loony left labour supporter.
Gnat’s pube surely
We've ditched the communist decimal system and modernised in anticipation of Reform getting some seats and got imperial."Did you learn that measurement system at a chav lowbrow uni? | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) | |||
"Can you substantiate any of this nonsensical rambling or are you one of these people who thinks the Nazis were socialists? You don’t know anything about conservative politics. So you just like shouting racist at people who disagree with you. It was tired five years ago. Now it is just laughable. Do you think the Nazis were socialists? Well that’s what they called themselves. Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. The clue might be in the name. But what has that got to do with whether the Labour Party is antisemitic? I have made no mention of Nazis. Oddly that’s something you want to discuss. No mention of Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin. Do you dispute Labour’s antisemitism? Is the EHRC talking nonsense? Stop with the distraction and projection. You like to call out others’ “racism”. The Left should put its own house in order. Each must decide what their own conscience permits them to vote for. Personally I will have no truck with racists, bigots, anti semites and Jew baiters (that’s the Labour Party by the way). Because whether people think Nazis were socialists or not is one of the heuristics I use to decide whether someone is detached from reality or not. Because the ‘logic’ behind the name indicating they were means that North Korea should be considered a democracy given it’s name is the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. It also indicates a complete lack of any understanding of modern European history. I can only bow to your superior knowledge of history. And of course we shouldn’t read too much into the names of political parties. After all the Conservatives haven’t been conservative for some time, the Liberal Democrats are neither liberal nor democratic, and the Labour Party represents people who don’t do any productive work. We are well used to the misnomers. Bit embarrassing to have made the Nazis were Socialists statement though ain’t it
Which of the NSDAP’s policies between 1920 and 1945 do you deny were “socialist”?
Let’s start a specific thread of you want that kind of a discussion. Also if you search back through the forums you will find this has been previously been discussed at length and there is plenty of information to absorb.
Also reread my post further up. There were indeed some economic policies that in isolation can be classified as being socialist. However, any serious analysis understands that you need the full picture and wider political and contemporary context before you can even begin to attempt to label anything. Plucking a single policy(s) out and then with 21st century eyes and sensibilities saying “that looks socialist” is simply very silly and devoid of critical analysis.
I have no interest whatsoever in discussing this topic. The only people who want to discuss it are you and the other Labour supporter. And I very much doubt either of you have any significant expertise on the topic that would be worth listening to. If I want to learn about 1930’s Germany I’m sure there are better places to look than the politics forum of a swingers website. There is no shortage of books about the subject, many of which are sitting on my office shelves. I’m still wading through a 600 page biography of Himmler when I get the time.
I simply pointed out that the Labour Party has a history of anti semitism and the response of the Labour Party supporter was to start talking about Nazi Germany. I’ve no idea why. I can only assume it’s distraction and projection.
Do I bite or not hmmmmm?
And I very much doubt either of you have any significant expertise on the topic
Oh fuck it yeah why not…
I have a First Class Hons in European history 1850-1950 from one of the top three universities in the UK. Not going to say which one but let’s say the boat race was more fun when there was less shit in the water!
As for “the other Labour supporter” well I am not a Labour supporter. Just to be clear. But you went down the “Nazis were Socialists” route and it simply isn’t true no matter how many You Tube videos you watch or books you read by Frederich Hayek!
I didn’t go down the Nazis are Socialists route at all, that’s something you and the other Labour supporter are desperate to talk about, rather than Labour’s antisemitism problem.
It’s odd why Leftists appear to be so desperate to cleanse their ideology of any link to Hitler.
It really doesn’t matter, given that all the other mass murderers in recent times have all been socialists or communists. Maybe they think if they can at least disassociate themselves from one mass murderer their opinions can somehow become slightly less soiled.
Yeah but it went down like this…
Do you think the Nazis were socialists?
Well that’s what they called themselves.
Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei.
The clue might be in the name.
That looks like you went down the Nazis were Socialists route to me (annoying when the thread still has all the evidence to quote).
So now as I picked you up on that I’m a leftist! guess you don’t read what is being written (you don’t have to of course, may well be boring, but if you try to label people, at least get it right).
And having been completely debunked on the Nazis are Socialist thing you widen the goalposts to say yeah but look at these others!
Well duh! Yep guess what. Human beings are evil and most evil is undertaken by those at the extreme ends of the political spectrum. Stalin was a bastard! No argument there. So was Torquemada but that’s another version of extremism!
But unless you also conflate Socialism with Communism, then it is the latter who have been utter assholes and killed millions (oh and let’s not get into that branding discussion again, I know it was the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics).
Hysterical.
1. Person A raises fact of Labour having history of antisemitism
2. Person B tries to create distraction by talking about Nazi Germany
3. Person C sends dozens of posts about Nazi Germany and demanding that everyone else stops talking about Nazi Germany
4. Person C claims victory by having “debunked” claims that were never made in the first place, based on having spent an afternoon reading some comics about Hitler at a Poly two decades ago.
You just made yourself look very very silly indeed. The thread history is all there for everyone to see. Just embarrassing yourself now, please stop!
Poly! You are old! Uni darling, a very good one too
I’m also not a Labour supporter, I will just vote for them as they have the best chance of unseating the Tory in the constituency I live in. It’s a practice I adopt wherever I live, and have voted LibDem and SNP, as well as Labour.
The most important thing in my view is to rid the country of the blight of a Conservative government.
I think you'll find that anyone a barleycorn to the left of Herman Goring (presumably also a socialist), is a loony left labour supporter.
Gnat’s pube surely
We've ditched the communist decimal system and modernised in anticipation of Reform getting some seats and got imperial.
Did you learn that measurement system at a chav lowbrow uni?"Yes. My uni was a polytechnic until a year or two before I started. My chav degree is basically worth nothing. Not to mention it's a BSc, and as we all know, science is just a load of unsubstantiated opinion. | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) | |||
"Can you substantiate any of this nonsensical rambling or are you one of these people who thinks the Nazis were socialists? You don’t know anything about conservative politics. So you just like shouting racist at people who disagree with you. It was tired five years ago. Now it is just laughable. Do you think the Nazis were socialists? Well that’s what they called themselves. Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. The clue might be in the name. But what has that got to do with whether the Labour Party is antisemitic? I have made no mention of Nazis. Oddly that’s something you want to discuss. No mention of Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin. Do you dispute Labour’s antisemitism? Is the EHRC talking nonsense? Stop with the distraction and projection. You like to call out others’ “racism”. The Left should put its own house in order. Each must decide what their own conscience permits them to vote for. Personally I will have no truck with racists, bigots, anti semites and Jew baiters (that’s the Labour Party by the way). Because whether people think Nazis were socialists or not is one of the heuristics I use to decide whether someone is detached from reality or not. Because the ‘logic’ behind the name indicating they were means that North Korea should be considered a democracy given it’s name is the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. It also indicates a complete lack of any understanding of modern European history. I can only bow to your superior knowledge of history. And of course we shouldn’t read too much into the names of political parties. After all the Conservatives haven’t been conservative for some time, the Liberal Democrats are neither liberal nor democratic, and the Labour Party represents people who don’t do any productive work. We are well used to the misnomers. Bit embarrassing to have made the Nazis were Socialists statement though ain’t it
Which of the NSDAP’s policies between 1920 and 1945 do you deny were “socialist”?
Let’s start a specific thread of you want that kind of a discussion. Also if you search back through the forums you will find this has been previously been discussed at length and there is plenty of information to absorb.
Also reread my post further up. There were indeed some economic policies that in isolation can be classified as being socialist. However, any serious analysis understands that you need the full picture and wider political and contemporary context before you can even begin to attempt to label anything. Plucking a single policy(s) out and then with 21st century eyes and sensibilities saying “that looks socialist” is simply very silly and devoid of critical analysis.
I have no interest whatsoever in discussing this topic. The only people who want to discuss it are you and the other Labour supporter. And I very much doubt either of you have any significant expertise on the topic that would be worth listening to. If I want to learn about 1930’s Germany I’m sure there are better places to look than the politics forum of a swingers website. There is no shortage of books about the subject, many of which are sitting on my office shelves. I’m still wading through a 600 page biography of Himmler when I get the time.
I simply pointed out that the Labour Party has a history of anti semitism and the response of the Labour Party supporter was to start talking about Nazi Germany. I’ve no idea why. I can only assume it’s distraction and projection.
Do I bite or not hmmmmm?
And I very much doubt either of you have any significant expertise on the topic
Oh fuck it yeah why not…
I have a First Class Hons in European history 1850-1950 from one of the top three universities in the UK. Not going to say which one but let’s say the boat race was more fun when there was less shit in the water!
As for “the other Labour supporter” well I am not a Labour supporter. Just to be clear. But you went down the “Nazis were Socialists” route and it simply isn’t true no matter how many You Tube videos you watch or books you read by Frederich Hayek!
I didn’t go down the Nazis are Socialists route at all, that’s something you and the other Labour supporter are desperate to talk about, rather than Labour’s antisemitism problem.
It’s odd why Leftists appear to be so desperate to cleanse their ideology of any link to Hitler.
It really doesn’t matter, given that all the other mass murderers in recent times have all been socialists or communists. Maybe they think if they can at least disassociate themselves from one mass murderer their opinions can somehow become slightly less soiled.
Yeah but it went down like this…
Do you think the Nazis were socialists?
Well that’s what they called themselves.
Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei.
The clue might be in the name.
That looks like you went down the Nazis were Socialists route to me (annoying when the thread still has all the evidence to quote).
So now as I picked you up on that I’m a leftist! guess you don’t read what is being written (you don’t have to of course, may well be boring, but if you try to label people, at least get it right).
And having been completely debunked on the Nazis are Socialist thing you widen the goalposts to say yeah but look at these others!
Well duh! Yep guess what. Human beings are evil and most evil is undertaken by those at the extreme ends of the political spectrum. Stalin was a bastard! No argument there. So was Torquemada but that’s another version of extremism!
But unless you also conflate Socialism with Communism, then it is the latter who have been utter assholes and killed millions (oh and let’s not get into that branding discussion again, I know it was the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics).
Hysterical.
1. Person A raises fact of Labour having history of antisemitism
2. Person B tries to create distraction by talking about Nazi Germany
3. Person C sends dozens of posts about Nazi Germany and demanding that everyone else stops talking about Nazi Germany
4. Person C claims victory by having “debunked” claims that were never made in the first place, based on having spent an afternoon reading some comics about Hitler at a Poly two decades ago.
You just made yourself look very very silly indeed. The thread history is all there for everyone to see. Just embarrassing yourself now, please stop!
Poly! You are old! Uni darling, a very good one too
I’m also not a Labour supporter, I will just vote for them as they have the best chance of unseating the Tory in the constituency I live in. It’s a practice I adopt wherever I live, and have voted LibDem and SNP, as well as Labour.
The most important thing in my view is to rid the country of the blight of a Conservative government.
I think you'll find that anyone a barleycorn to the left of Herman Goring (presumably also a socialist), is a loony left labour supporter.
Gnat’s pube surely
We've ditched the communist decimal system and modernised in anticipation of Reform getting some seats and got imperial.
Did you learn that measurement system at a chav lowbrow uni?
Yes. My uni was a polytechnic until a year or two before I started. My chav degree is basically worth nothing. Not to mention it's a BSc, and as we all know, science is just a load of unsubstantiated opinion. "You got a degree in BiScuits? Bet they were own brand too not even McVities! Chav or what mate!!!! | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) | |||
"Can you substantiate any of this nonsensical rambling or are you one of these people who thinks the Nazis were socialists? You don’t know anything about conservative politics. So you just like shouting racist at people who disagree with you. It was tired five years ago. Now it is just laughable. Do you think the Nazis were socialists? Well that’s what they called themselves. Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. The clue might be in the name. But what has that got to do with whether the Labour Party is antisemitic? I have made no mention of Nazis. Oddly that’s something you want to discuss. No mention of Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin. Do you dispute Labour’s antisemitism? Is the EHRC talking nonsense? Stop with the distraction and projection. You like to call out others’ “racism”. The Left should put its own house in order. Each must decide what their own conscience permits them to vote for. Personally I will have no truck with racists, bigots, anti semites and Jew baiters (that’s the Labour Party by the way). Because whether people think Nazis were socialists or not is one of the heuristics I use to decide whether someone is detached from reality or not. Because the ‘logic’ behind the name indicating they were means that North Korea should be considered a democracy given it’s name is the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. It also indicates a complete lack of any understanding of modern European history. I can only bow to your superior knowledge of history. And of course we shouldn’t read too much into the names of political parties. After all the Conservatives haven’t been conservative for some time, the Liberal Democrats are neither liberal nor democratic, and the Labour Party represents people who don’t do any productive work. We are well used to the misnomers. Bit embarrassing to have made the Nazis were Socialists statement though ain’t it
Which of the NSDAP’s policies between 1920 and 1945 do you deny were “socialist”?
Let’s start a specific thread of you want that kind of a discussion. Also if you search back through the forums you will find this has been previously been discussed at length and there is plenty of information to absorb.
Also reread my post further up. There were indeed some economic policies that in isolation can be classified as being socialist. However, any serious analysis understands that you need the full picture and wider political and contemporary context before you can even begin to attempt to label anything. Plucking a single policy(s) out and then with 21st century eyes and sensibilities saying “that looks socialist” is simply very silly and devoid of critical analysis.
I have no interest whatsoever in discussing this topic. The only people who want to discuss it are you and the other Labour supporter. And I very much doubt either of you have any significant expertise on the topic that would be worth listening to. If I want to learn about 1930’s Germany I’m sure there are better places to look than the politics forum of a swingers website. There is no shortage of books about the subject, many of which are sitting on my office shelves. I’m still wading through a 600 page biography of Himmler when I get the time.
I simply pointed out that the Labour Party has a history of anti semitism and the response of the Labour Party supporter was to start talking about Nazi Germany. I’ve no idea why. I can only assume it’s distraction and projection.
Do I bite or not hmmmmm?
And I very much doubt either of you have any significant expertise on the topic
Oh fuck it yeah why not…
I have a First Class Hons in European history 1850-1950 from one of the top three universities in the UK. Not going to say which one but let’s say the boat race was more fun when there was less shit in the water!
As for “the other Labour supporter” well I am not a Labour supporter. Just to be clear. But you went down the “Nazis were Socialists” route and it simply isn’t true no matter how many You Tube videos you watch or books you read by Frederich Hayek!
I didn’t go down the Nazis are Socialists route at all, that’s something you and the other Labour supporter are desperate to talk about, rather than Labour’s antisemitism problem.
It’s odd why Leftists appear to be so desperate to cleanse their ideology of any link to Hitler.
It really doesn’t matter, given that all the other mass murderers in recent times have all been socialists or communists. Maybe they think if they can at least disassociate themselves from one mass murderer their opinions can somehow become slightly less soiled.
Yeah but it went down like this…
Do you think the Nazis were socialists?
Well that’s what they called themselves.
Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei.
The clue might be in the name.
That looks like you went down the Nazis were Socialists route to me (annoying when the thread still has all the evidence to quote).
So now as I picked you up on that I’m a leftist! guess you don’t read what is being written (you don’t have to of course, may well be boring, but if you try to label people, at least get it right).
And having been completely debunked on the Nazis are Socialist thing you widen the goalposts to say yeah but look at these others!
Well duh! Yep guess what. Human beings are evil and most evil is undertaken by those at the extreme ends of the political spectrum. Stalin was a bastard! No argument there. So was Torquemada but that’s another version of extremism!
But unless you also conflate Socialism with Communism, then it is the latter who have been utter assholes and killed millions (oh and let’s not get into that branding discussion again, I know it was the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics).
Hysterical.
1. Person A raises fact of Labour having history of antisemitism
2. Person B tries to create distraction by talking about Nazi Germany
3. Person C sends dozens of posts about Nazi Germany and demanding that everyone else stops talking about Nazi Germany
4. Person C claims victory by having “debunked” claims that were never made in the first place, based on having spent an afternoon reading some comics about Hitler at a Poly two decades ago.
You just made yourself look very very silly indeed. The thread history is all there for everyone to see. Just embarrassing yourself now, please stop!
Poly! You are old! Uni darling, a very good one too
I’m also not a Labour supporter, I will just vote for them as they have the best chance of unseating the Tory in the constituency I live in. It’s a practice I adopt wherever I live, and have voted LibDem and SNP, as well as Labour.
The most important thing in my view is to rid the country of the blight of a Conservative government.
I think you'll find that anyone a barleycorn to the left of Herman Goring (presumably also a socialist), is a loony left labour supporter.
Gnat’s pube surely
We've ditched the communist decimal system and modernised in anticipation of Reform getting some seats and got imperial.
Did you learn that measurement system at a chav lowbrow uni?
Yes. My uni was a polytechnic until a year or two before I started. My chav degree is basically worth nothing. Not to mention it's a BSc, and as we all know, science is just a load of unsubstantiated opinion. "That’s a shame, a few years on and you could have a got a Third in Environmental Science and been advising Labour on the Green Prosperity Plan. I think it just involves linking together a series of totally meaningless and contradictory buzzwords and hoping nobody notices. | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) | |||
"Can you substantiate any of this nonsensical rambling or are you one of these people who thinks the Nazis were socialists? You don’t know anything about conservative politics. So you just like shouting racist at people who disagree with you. It was tired five years ago. Now it is just laughable. Do you think the Nazis were socialists? Well that’s what they called themselves. Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. The clue might be in the name. But what has that got to do with whether the Labour Party is antisemitic? I have made no mention of Nazis. Oddly that’s something you want to discuss. No mention of Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin. Do you dispute Labour’s antisemitism? Is the EHRC talking nonsense? Stop with the distraction and projection. You like to call out others’ “racism”. The Left should put its own house in order. Each must decide what their own conscience permits them to vote for. Personally I will have no truck with racists, bigots, anti semites and Jew baiters (that’s the Labour Party by the way). Because whether people think Nazis were socialists or not is one of the heuristics I use to decide whether someone is detached from reality or not. Because the ‘logic’ behind the name indicating they were means that North Korea should be considered a democracy given it’s name is the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. It also indicates a complete lack of any understanding of modern European history. I can only bow to your superior knowledge of history. And of course we shouldn’t read too much into the names of political parties. After all the Conservatives haven’t been conservative for some time, the Liberal Democrats are neither liberal nor democratic, and the Labour Party represents people who don’t do any productive work. We are well used to the misnomers. Bit embarrassing to have made the Nazis were Socialists statement though ain’t it
Which of the NSDAP’s policies between 1920 and 1945 do you deny were “socialist”?
Let’s start a specific thread of you want that kind of a discussion. Also if you search back through the forums you will find this has been previously been discussed at length and there is plenty of information to absorb.
Also reread my post further up. There were indeed some economic policies that in isolation can be classified as being socialist. However, any serious analysis understands that you need the full picture and wider political and contemporary context before you can even begin to attempt to label anything. Plucking a single policy(s) out and then with 21st century eyes and sensibilities saying “that looks socialist” is simply very silly and devoid of critical analysis.
I have no interest whatsoever in discussing this topic. The only people who want to discuss it are you and the other Labour supporter. And I very much doubt either of you have any significant expertise on the topic that would be worth listening to. If I want to learn about 1930’s Germany I’m sure there are better places to look than the politics forum of a swingers website. There is no shortage of books about the subject, many of which are sitting on my office shelves. I’m still wading through a 600 page biography of Himmler when I get the time.
I simply pointed out that the Labour Party has a history of anti semitism and the response of the Labour Party supporter was to start talking about Nazi Germany. I’ve no idea why. I can only assume it’s distraction and projection.
Do I bite or not hmmmmm?
And I very much doubt either of you have any significant expertise on the topic
Oh fuck it yeah why not…
I have a First Class Hons in European history 1850-1950 from one of the top three universities in the UK. Not going to say which one but let’s say the boat race was more fun when there was less shit in the water!
As for “the other Labour supporter” well I am not a Labour supporter. Just to be clear. But you went down the “Nazis were Socialists” route and it simply isn’t true no matter how many You Tube videos you watch or books you read by Frederich Hayek!
I didn’t go down the Nazis are Socialists route at all, that’s something you and the other Labour supporter are desperate to talk about, rather than Labour’s antisemitism problem.
It’s odd why Leftists appear to be so desperate to cleanse their ideology of any link to Hitler.
It really doesn’t matter, given that all the other mass murderers in recent times have all been socialists or communists. Maybe they think if they can at least disassociate themselves from one mass murderer their opinions can somehow become slightly less soiled.
Yeah but it went down like this…
Do you think the Nazis were socialists?
Well that’s what they called themselves.
Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei.
The clue might be in the name.
That looks like you went down the Nazis were Socialists route to me (annoying when the thread still has all the evidence to quote).
So now as I picked you up on that I’m a leftist! guess you don’t read what is being written (you don’t have to of course, may well be boring, but if you try to label people, at least get it right).
And having been completely debunked on the Nazis are Socialist thing you widen the goalposts to say yeah but look at these others!
Well duh! Yep guess what. Human beings are evil and most evil is undertaken by those at the extreme ends of the political spectrum. Stalin was a bastard! No argument there. So was Torquemada but that’s another version of extremism!
But unless you also conflate Socialism with Communism, then it is the latter who have been utter assholes and killed millions (oh and let’s not get into that branding discussion again, I know it was the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics).
Hysterical.
1. Person A raises fact of Labour having history of antisemitism
2. Person B tries to create distraction by talking about Nazi Germany
3. Person C sends dozens of posts about Nazi Germany and demanding that everyone else stops talking about Nazi Germany
4. Person C claims victory by having “debunked” claims that were never made in the first place, based on having spent an afternoon reading some comics about Hitler at a Poly two decades ago.
You just made yourself look very very silly indeed. The thread history is all there for everyone to see. Just embarrassing yourself now, please stop!
Poly! You are old! Uni darling, a very good one too
I’m also not a Labour supporter, I will just vote for them as they have the best chance of unseating the Tory in the constituency I live in. It’s a practice I adopt wherever I live, and have voted LibDem and SNP, as well as Labour.
The most important thing in my view is to rid the country of the blight of a Conservative government.
I think you'll find that anyone a barleycorn to the left of Herman Goring (presumably also a socialist), is a loony left labour supporter.
Gnat’s pube surely
We've ditched the communist decimal system and modernised in anticipation of Reform getting some seats and got imperial.
Did you learn that measurement system at a chav lowbrow uni?
Yes. My uni was a polytechnic until a year or two before I started. My chav degree is basically worth nothing. Not to mention it's a BSc, and as we all know, science is just a load of unsubstantiated opinion. "One of those low value degrees the government keeps talking about. | |||
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"Can you substantiate any of this nonsensical rambling or are you one of these people who thinks the Nazis were socialists? You don’t know anything about conservative politics. So you just like shouting racist at people who disagree with you. It was tired five years ago. Now it is just laughable. Do you think the Nazis were socialists? Well that’s what they called themselves. Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. The clue might be in the name. But what has that got to do with whether the Labour Party is antisemitic? I have made no mention of Nazis. Oddly that’s something you want to discuss. No mention of Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin. Do you dispute Labour’s antisemitism? Is the EHRC talking nonsense? Stop with the distraction and projection. You like to call out others’ “racism”. The Left should put its own house in order. Each must decide what their own conscience permits them to vote for. Personally I will have no truck with racists, bigots, anti semites and Jew baiters (that’s the Labour Party by the way). Because whether people think Nazis were socialists or not is one of the heuristics I use to decide whether someone is detached from reality or not. Because the ‘logic’ behind the name indicating they were means that North Korea should be considered a democracy given it’s name is the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. It also indicates a complete lack of any understanding of modern European history. I can only bow to your superior knowledge of history. And of course we shouldn’t read too much into the names of political parties. After all the Conservatives haven’t been conservative for some time, the Liberal Democrats are neither liberal nor democratic, and the Labour Party represents people who don’t do any productive work. We are well used to the misnomers. Bit embarrassing to have made the Nazis were Socialists statement though ain’t it
Which of the NSDAP’s policies between 1920 and 1945 do you deny were “socialist”?
Let’s start a specific thread of you want that kind of a discussion. Also if you search back through the forums you will find this has been previously been discussed at length and there is plenty of information to absorb.
Also reread my post further up. There were indeed some economic policies that in isolation can be classified as being socialist. However, any serious analysis understands that you need the full picture and wider political and contemporary context before you can even begin to attempt to label anything. Plucking a single policy(s) out and then with 21st century eyes and sensibilities saying “that looks socialist” is simply very silly and devoid of critical analysis.
I have no interest whatsoever in discussing this topic. The only people who want to discuss it are you and the other Labour supporter. And I very much doubt either of you have any significant expertise on the topic that would be worth listening to. If I want to learn about 1930’s Germany I’m sure there are better places to look than the politics forum of a swingers website. There is no shortage of books about the subject, many of which are sitting on my office shelves. I’m still wading through a 600 page biography of Himmler when I get the time.
I simply pointed out that the Labour Party has a history of anti semitism and the response of the Labour Party supporter was to start talking about Nazi Germany. I’ve no idea why. I can only assume it’s distraction and projection.
Do I bite or not hmmmmm?
And I very much doubt either of you have any significant expertise on the topic
Oh fuck it yeah why not…
I have a First Class Hons in European history 1850-1950 from one of the top three universities in the UK. Not going to say which one but let’s say the boat race was more fun when there was less shit in the water!
As for “the other Labour supporter” well I am not a Labour supporter. Just to be clear. But you went down the “Nazis were Socialists” route and it simply isn’t true no matter how many You Tube videos you watch or books you read by Frederich Hayek!
I didn’t go down the Nazis are Socialists route at all, that’s something you and the other Labour supporter are desperate to talk about, rather than Labour’s antisemitism problem.
It’s odd why Leftists appear to be so desperate to cleanse their ideology of any link to Hitler.
It really doesn’t matter, given that all the other mass murderers in recent times have all been socialists or communists. Maybe they think if they can at least disassociate themselves from one mass murderer their opinions can somehow become slightly less soiled.
Yeah but it went down like this…
Do you think the Nazis were socialists?
Well that’s what they called themselves.
Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei.
The clue might be in the name.
That looks like you went down the Nazis were Socialists route to me (annoying when the thread still has all the evidence to quote).
So now as I picked you up on that I’m a leftist! guess you don’t read what is being written (you don’t have to of course, may well be boring, but if you try to label people, at least get it right).
And having been completely debunked on the Nazis are Socialist thing you widen the goalposts to say yeah but look at these others!
Well duh! Yep guess what. Human beings are evil and most evil is undertaken by those at the extreme ends of the political spectrum. Stalin was a bastard! No argument there. So was Torquemada but that’s another version of extremism!
But unless you also conflate Socialism with Communism, then it is the latter who have been utter assholes and killed millions (oh and let’s not get into that branding discussion again, I know it was the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics).
Hysterical.
1. Person A raises fact of Labour having history of antisemitism
2. Person B tries to create distraction by talking about Nazi Germany
3. Person C sends dozens of posts about Nazi Germany and demanding that everyone else stops talking about Nazi Germany
4. Person C claims victory by having “debunked” claims that were never made in the first place, based on having spent an afternoon reading some comics about Hitler at a Poly two decades ago.
You just made yourself look very very silly indeed. The thread history is all there for everyone to see. Just embarrassing yourself now, please stop!
Poly! You are old! Uni darling, a very good one too
I’m also not a Labour supporter, I will just vote for them as they have the best chance of unseating the Tory in the constituency I live in. It’s a practice I adopt wherever I live, and have voted LibDem and SNP, as well as Labour.
The most important thing in my view is to rid the country of the blight of a Conservative government.
I think you'll find that anyone a barleycorn to the left of Herman Goring (presumably also a socialist), is a loony left labour supporter.
Gnat’s pube surely
We've ditched the communist decimal system and modernised in anticipation of Reform getting some seats and got imperial.
Did you learn that measurement system at a chav lowbrow uni?
Yes. My uni was a polytechnic until a year or two before I started. My chav degree is basically worth nothing. Not to mention it's a BSc, and as we all know, science is just a load of unsubstantiated opinion.
That’s a shame, a few years on and you could have a got a Third in Environmental Science and been advising Labour on the Green Prosperity Plan. I think it just involves linking together a series of totally meaningless and contradictory buzzwords and hoping nobody notices."Yes, science is useless, what have we ever achieved through scientific research! We need to focus on belief based thinking, no real information needed. We don't need anything based on scientific method. Anything describing the universe around us that involves replicatable experiments, peer reviewed papers etc is a pointless waste of time. | |||
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"Can you substantiate any of this nonsensical rambling or are you one of these people who thinks the Nazis were socialists? You don’t know anything about conservative politics. So you just like shouting racist at people who disagree with you. It was tired five years ago. Now it is just laughable. Do you think the Nazis were socialists? Well that’s what they called themselves. Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. The clue might be in the name. But what has that got to do with whether the Labour Party is antisemitic? I have made no mention of Nazis. Oddly that’s something you want to discuss. No mention of Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin. Do you dispute Labour’s antisemitism? Is the EHRC talking nonsense? Stop with the distraction and projection. You like to call out others’ “racism”. The Left should put its own house in order. Each must decide what their own conscience permits them to vote for. Personally I will have no truck with racists, bigots, anti semites and Jew baiters (that’s the Labour Party by the way). Because whether people think Nazis were socialists or not is one of the heuristics I use to decide whether someone is detached from reality or not. Because the ‘logic’ behind the name indicating they were means that North Korea should be considered a democracy given it’s name is the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. It also indicates a complete lack of any understanding of modern European history. I can only bow to your superior knowledge of history. And of course we shouldn’t read too much into the names of political parties. After all the Conservatives haven’t been conservative for some time, the Liberal Democrats are neither liberal nor democratic, and the Labour Party represents people who don’t do any productive work. We are well used to the misnomers. Bit embarrassing to have made the Nazis were Socialists statement though ain’t it
Which of the NSDAP’s policies between 1920 and 1945 do you deny were “socialist”?
Let’s start a specific thread of you want that kind of a discussion. Also if you search back through the forums you will find this has been previously been discussed at length and there is plenty of information to absorb.
Also reread my post further up. There were indeed some economic policies that in isolation can be classified as being socialist. However, any serious analysis understands that you need the full picture and wider political and contemporary context before you can even begin to attempt to label anything. Plucking a single policy(s) out and then with 21st century eyes and sensibilities saying “that looks socialist” is simply very silly and devoid of critical analysis.
I have no interest whatsoever in discussing this topic. The only people who want to discuss it are you and the other Labour supporter. And I very much doubt either of you have any significant expertise on the topic that would be worth listening to. If I want to learn about 1930’s Germany I’m sure there are better places to look than the politics forum of a swingers website. There is no shortage of books about the subject, many of which are sitting on my office shelves. I’m still wading through a 600 page biography of Himmler when I get the time.
I simply pointed out that the Labour Party has a history of anti semitism and the response of the Labour Party supporter was to start talking about Nazi Germany. I’ve no idea why. I can only assume it’s distraction and projection.
Do I bite or not hmmmmm?
And I very much doubt either of you have any significant expertise on the topic
Oh fuck it yeah why not…
I have a First Class Hons in European history 1850-1950 from one of the top three universities in the UK. Not going to say which one but let’s say the boat race was more fun when there was less shit in the water!
As for “the other Labour supporter” well I am not a Labour supporter. Just to be clear. But you went down the “Nazis were Socialists” route and it simply isn’t true no matter how many You Tube videos you watch or books you read by Frederich Hayek!
I didn’t go down the Nazis are Socialists route at all, that’s something you and the other Labour supporter are desperate to talk about, rather than Labour’s antisemitism problem.
It’s odd why Leftists appear to be so desperate to cleanse their ideology of any link to Hitler.
It really doesn’t matter, given that all the other mass murderers in recent times have all been socialists or communists. Maybe they think if they can at least disassociate themselves from one mass murderer their opinions can somehow become slightly less soiled.
Yeah but it went down like this…
Do you think the Nazis were socialists?
Well that’s what they called themselves.
Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei.
The clue might be in the name.
That looks like you went down the Nazis were Socialists route to me (annoying when the thread still has all the evidence to quote).
So now as I picked you up on that I’m a leftist! guess you don’t read what is being written (you don’t have to of course, may well be boring, but if you try to label people, at least get it right).
And having been completely debunked on the Nazis are Socialist thing you widen the goalposts to say yeah but look at these others!
Well duh! Yep guess what. Human beings are evil and most evil is undertaken by those at the extreme ends of the political spectrum. Stalin was a bastard! No argument there. So was Torquemada but that’s another version of extremism!
But unless you also conflate Socialism with Communism, then it is the latter who have been utter assholes and killed millions (oh and let’s not get into that branding discussion again, I know it was the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics).
Hysterical.
1. Person A raises fact of Labour having history of antisemitism
2. Person B tries to create distraction by talking about Nazi Germany
3. Person C sends dozens of posts about Nazi Germany and demanding that everyone else stops talking about Nazi Germany
4. Person C claims victory by having “debunked” claims that were never made in the first place, based on having spent an afternoon reading some comics about Hitler at a Poly two decades ago.
You just made yourself look very very silly indeed. The thread history is all there for everyone to see. Just embarrassing yourself now, please stop!
Poly! You are old! Uni darling, a very good one too
I’m also not a Labour supporter, I will just vote for them as they have the best chance of unseating the Tory in the constituency I live in. It’s a practice I adopt wherever I live, and have voted LibDem and SNP, as well as Labour.
The most important thing in my view is to rid the country of the blight of a Conservative government.
I think you'll find that anyone a barleycorn to the left of Herman Goring (presumably also a socialist), is a loony left labour supporter.
Gnat’s pube surely
We've ditched the communist decimal system and modernised in anticipation of Reform getting some seats and got imperial.
Did you learn that measurement system at a chav lowbrow uni?
Yes. My uni was a polytechnic until a year or two before I started. My chav degree is basically worth nothing. Not to mention it's a BSc, and as we all know, science is just a load of unsubstantiated opinion.
That’s a shame, a few years on and you could have a got a Third in Environmental Science and been advising Labour on the Green Prosperity Plan. I think it just involves linking together a series of totally meaningless and contradictory buzzwords and hoping nobody notices.
Yes, science is useless, what have we ever achieved through scientific research! We need to focus on belief based thinking, no real information needed.
We don't need anything based on scientific method. Anything describing the universe around us that involves replicatable experiments, peer reviewed papers etc is a pointless waste of time. "Especially when the world’s “top scientists” are so keen to deceive the public about tiny matters like the origins of a pandemic and the effectiveness of vaccines. FoLlOw ThE sCiEnCe! And follow the money of course… | |||
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"Can you substantiate any of this nonsensical rambling or are you one of these people who thinks the Nazis were socialists? You don’t know anything about conservative politics. So you just like shouting racist at people who disagree with you. It was tired five years ago. Now it is just laughable. Do you think the Nazis were socialists? Well that’s what they called themselves. Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. The clue might be in the name. But what has that got to do with whether the Labour Party is antisemitic? I have made no mention of Nazis. Oddly that’s something you want to discuss. No mention of Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin. Do you dispute Labour’s antisemitism? Is the EHRC talking nonsense? Stop with the distraction and projection. You like to call out others’ “racism”. The Left should put its own house in order. Each must decide what their own conscience permits them to vote for. Personally I will have no truck with racists, bigots, anti semites and Jew baiters (that’s the Labour Party by the way). Because whether people think Nazis were socialists or not is one of the heuristics I use to decide whether someone is detached from reality or not. Because the ‘logic’ behind the name indicating they were means that North Korea should be considered a democracy given it’s name is the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. It also indicates a complete lack of any understanding of modern European history. I can only bow to your superior knowledge of history. And of course we shouldn’t read too much into the names of political parties. After all the Conservatives haven’t been conservative for some time, the Liberal Democrats are neither liberal nor democratic, and the Labour Party represents people who don’t do any productive work. We are well used to the misnomers. Bit embarrassing to have made the Nazis were Socialists statement though ain’t it
Which of the NSDAP’s policies between 1920 and 1945 do you deny were “socialist”?
Let’s start a specific thread of you want that kind of a discussion. Also if you search back through the forums you will find this has been previously been discussed at length and there is plenty of information to absorb.
Also reread my post further up. There were indeed some economic policies that in isolation can be classified as being socialist. However, any serious analysis understands that you need the full picture and wider political and contemporary context before you can even begin to attempt to label anything. Plucking a single policy(s) out and then with 21st century eyes and sensibilities saying “that looks socialist” is simply very silly and devoid of critical analysis.
I have no interest whatsoever in discussing this topic. The only people who want to discuss it are you and the other Labour supporter. And I very much doubt either of you have any significant expertise on the topic that would be worth listening to. If I want to learn about 1930’s Germany I’m sure there are better places to look than the politics forum of a swingers website. There is no shortage of books about the subject, many of which are sitting on my office shelves. I’m still wading through a 600 page biography of Himmler when I get the time.
I simply pointed out that the Labour Party has a history of anti semitism and the response of the Labour Party supporter was to start talking about Nazi Germany. I’ve no idea why. I can only assume it’s distraction and projection.
Do I bite or not hmmmmm?
And I very much doubt either of you have any significant expertise on the topic
Oh fuck it yeah why not…
I have a First Class Hons in European history 1850-1950 from one of the top three universities in the UK. Not going to say which one but let’s say the boat race was more fun when there was less shit in the water!
As for “the other Labour supporter” well I am not a Labour supporter. Just to be clear. But you went down the “Nazis were Socialists” route and it simply isn’t true no matter how many You Tube videos you watch or books you read by Frederich Hayek!
I didn’t go down the Nazis are Socialists route at all, that’s something you and the other Labour supporter are desperate to talk about, rather than Labour’s antisemitism problem.
It’s odd why Leftists appear to be so desperate to cleanse their ideology of any link to Hitler.
It really doesn’t matter, given that all the other mass murderers in recent times have all been socialists or communists. Maybe they think if they can at least disassociate themselves from one mass murderer their opinions can somehow become slightly less soiled.
Yeah but it went down like this…
Do you think the Nazis were socialists?
Well that’s what they called themselves.
Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei.
The clue might be in the name.
That looks like you went down the Nazis were Socialists route to me (annoying when the thread still has all the evidence to quote).
So now as I picked you up on that I’m a leftist! guess you don’t read what is being written (you don’t have to of course, may well be boring, but if you try to label people, at least get it right).
And having been completely debunked on the Nazis are Socialist thing you widen the goalposts to say yeah but look at these others!
Well duh! Yep guess what. Human beings are evil and most evil is undertaken by those at the extreme ends of the political spectrum. Stalin was a bastard! No argument there. So was Torquemada but that’s another version of extremism!
But unless you also conflate Socialism with Communism, then it is the latter who have been utter assholes and killed millions (oh and let’s not get into that branding discussion again, I know it was the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics).
Hysterical.
1. Person A raises fact of Labour having history of antisemitism
2. Person B tries to create distraction by talking about Nazi Germany
3. Person C sends dozens of posts about Nazi Germany and demanding that everyone else stops talking about Nazi Germany
4. Person C claims victory by having “debunked” claims that were never made in the first place, based on having spent an afternoon reading some comics about Hitler at a Poly two decades ago.
You just made yourself look very very silly indeed. The thread history is all there for everyone to see. Just embarrassing yourself now, please stop!
Poly! You are old! Uni darling, a very good one too
I’m also not a Labour supporter, I will just vote for them as they have the best chance of unseating the Tory in the constituency I live in. It’s a practice I adopt wherever I live, and have voted LibDem and SNP, as well as Labour.
The most important thing in my view is to rid the country of the blight of a Conservative government.
I think you'll find that anyone a barleycorn to the left of Herman Goring (presumably also a socialist), is a loony left labour supporter.
Gnat’s pube surely
We've ditched the communist decimal system and modernised in anticipation of Reform getting some seats and got imperial.
Did you learn that measurement system at a chav lowbrow uni?
Yes. My uni was a polytechnic until a year or two before I started. My chav degree is basically worth nothing. Not to mention it's a BSc, and as we all know, science is just a load of unsubstantiated opinion.
That’s a shame, a few years on and you could have a got a Third in Environmental Science and been advising Labour on the Green Prosperity Plan. I think it just involves linking together a series of totally meaningless and contradictory buzzwords and hoping nobody notices.
Yes, science is useless, what have we ever achieved through scientific research! We need to focus on belief based thinking, no real information needed.
We don't need anything based on scientific method. Anything describing the universe around us that involves replicatable experiments, peer reviewed papers etc is a pointless waste of time.
Especially when the world’s “top scientists” are so keen to deceive the public about tiny matters like the origins of a pandemic and the effectiveness of vaccines. FoLlOw ThE sCiEnCe!
And follow the money of course…"Lolz I can't even be sarcastic anymore. As fun as that was. I'll leave you to your confusion over what science is. | |||
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"Can you substantiate any of this nonsensical rambling or are you one of these people who thinks the Nazis were socialists? You don’t know anything about conservative politics. So you just like shouting racist at people who disagree with you. It was tired five years ago. Now it is just laughable. Do you think the Nazis were socialists? Well that’s what they called themselves. Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. The clue might be in the name. But what has that got to do with whether the Labour Party is antisemitic? I have made no mention of Nazis. Oddly that’s something you want to discuss. No mention of Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin. Do you dispute Labour’s antisemitism? Is the EHRC talking nonsense? Stop with the distraction and projection. You like to call out others’ “racism”. The Left should put its own house in order. Each must decide what their own conscience permits them to vote for. Personally I will have no truck with racists, bigots, anti semites and Jew baiters (that’s the Labour Party by the way). Because whether people think Nazis were socialists or not is one of the heuristics I use to decide whether someone is detached from reality or not. Because the ‘logic’ behind the name indicating they were means that North Korea should be considered a democracy given it’s name is the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. It also indicates a complete lack of any understanding of modern European history. I can only bow to your superior knowledge of history. And of course we shouldn’t read too much into the names of political parties. After all the Conservatives haven’t been conservative for some time, the Liberal Democrats are neither liberal nor democratic, and the Labour Party represents people who don’t do any productive work. We are well used to the misnomers. Bit embarrassing to have made the Nazis were Socialists statement though ain’t it
Which of the NSDAP’s policies between 1920 and 1945 do you deny were “socialist”?
Let’s start a specific thread of you want that kind of a discussion. Also if you search back through the forums you will find this has been previously been discussed at length and there is plenty of information to absorb.
Also reread my post further up. There were indeed some economic policies that in isolation can be classified as being socialist. However, any serious analysis understands that you need the full picture and wider political and contemporary context before you can even begin to attempt to label anything. Plucking a single policy(s) out and then with 21st century eyes and sensibilities saying “that looks socialist” is simply very silly and devoid of critical analysis.
I have no interest whatsoever in discussing this topic. The only people who want to discuss it are you and the other Labour supporter. And I very much doubt either of you have any significant expertise on the topic that would be worth listening to. If I want to learn about 1930’s Germany I’m sure there are better places to look than the politics forum of a swingers website. There is no shortage of books about the subject, many of which are sitting on my office shelves. I’m still wading through a 600 page biography of Himmler when I get the time.
I simply pointed out that the Labour Party has a history of anti semitism and the response of the Labour Party supporter was to start talking about Nazi Germany. I’ve no idea why. I can only assume it’s distraction and projection.
Do I bite or not hmmmmm?
And I very much doubt either of you have any significant expertise on the topic
Oh fuck it yeah why not…
I have a First Class Hons in European history 1850-1950 from one of the top three universities in the UK. Not going to say which one but let’s say the boat race was more fun when there was less shit in the water!
As for “the other Labour supporter” well I am not a Labour supporter. Just to be clear. But you went down the “Nazis were Socialists” route and it simply isn’t true no matter how many You Tube videos you watch or books you read by Frederich Hayek!
I didn’t go down the Nazis are Socialists route at all, that’s something you and the other Labour supporter are desperate to talk about, rather than Labour’s antisemitism problem.
It’s odd why Leftists appear to be so desperate to cleanse their ideology of any link to Hitler.
It really doesn’t matter, given that all the other mass murderers in recent times have all been socialists or communists. Maybe they think if they can at least disassociate themselves from one mass murderer their opinions can somehow become slightly less soiled.
Yeah but it went down like this…
Do you think the Nazis were socialists?
Well that’s what they called themselves.
Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei.
The clue might be in the name.
That looks like you went down the Nazis were Socialists route to me (annoying when the thread still has all the evidence to quote).
So now as I picked you up on that I’m a leftist! guess you don’t read what is being written (you don’t have to of course, may well be boring, but if you try to label people, at least get it right).
And having been completely debunked on the Nazis are Socialist thing you widen the goalposts to say yeah but look at these others!
Well duh! Yep guess what. Human beings are evil and most evil is undertaken by those at the extreme ends of the political spectrum. Stalin was a bastard! No argument there. So was Torquemada but that’s another version of extremism!
But unless you also conflate Socialism with Communism, then it is the latter who have been utter assholes and killed millions (oh and let’s not get into that branding discussion again, I know it was the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics).
Hysterical.
1. Person A raises fact of Labour having history of antisemitism
2. Person B tries to create distraction by talking about Nazi Germany
3. Person C sends dozens of posts about Nazi Germany and demanding that everyone else stops talking about Nazi Germany
4. Person C claims victory by having “debunked” claims that were never made in the first place, based on having spent an afternoon reading some comics about Hitler at a Poly two decades ago.
You just made yourself look very very silly indeed. The thread history is all there for everyone to see. Just embarrassing yourself now, please stop!
Poly! You are old! Uni darling, a very good one too
I’m also not a Labour supporter, I will just vote for them as they have the best chance of unseating the Tory in the constituency I live in. It’s a practice I adopt wherever I live, and have voted LibDem and SNP, as well as Labour.
The most important thing in my view is to rid the country of the blight of a Conservative government.
I think you'll find that anyone a barleycorn to the left of Herman Goring (presumably also a socialist), is a loony left labour supporter.
Gnat’s pube surely
We've ditched the communist decimal system and modernised in anticipation of Reform getting some seats and got imperial.
Did you learn that measurement system at a chav lowbrow uni?
Yes. My uni was a polytechnic until a year or two before I started. My chav degree is basically worth nothing. Not to mention it's a BSc, and as we all know, science is just a load of unsubstantiated opinion.
That’s a shame, a few years on and you could have a got a Third in Environmental Science and been advising Labour on the Green Prosperity Plan. I think it just involves linking together a series of totally meaningless and contradictory buzzwords and hoping nobody notices.
Yes, science is useless, what have we ever achieved through scientific research! We need to focus on belief based thinking, no real information needed.
We don't need anything based on scientific method. Anything describing the universe around us that involves replicatable experiments, peer reviewed papers etc is a pointless waste of time.
Especially when the world’s “top scientists” are so keen to deceive the public about tiny matters like the origins of a pandemic and the effectiveness of vaccines. FoLlOw ThE sCiEnCe!
And follow the money of course…"I think the Venn Diagram just became a circle
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"And another… Leslie Lilley. From The Times: ‘A Reform candidate has said he would “slaughter” migrants arriving on small boats and “have their family taken out.” " Standard Reform. An element of the electorate seem to think voting for these people is a good idea. Shrug emoji. | |||
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"And another… Leslie Lilley. From The Times: ‘A Reform candidate has said he would “slaughter” migrants arriving on small boats and “have their family taken out.” Standard Reform. An element of the electorate seem to think voting for these people is a good idea. Shrug emoji." *********************************** This is certainly NOT "Standard Reform" Why would you post such fantastic untruths..? Have you any irrevocable proof of this being anywhere near their policy...?? Of course you haven't, if it were to be fact, I would be the first to strenuously oppose and report to the electoral commission. Incidentally, I have no interest(s) in ANY political party, my own views are private and unavailable for 'discussion' on a platform such as this. I just detest lies and corruption in whatever form.  | |||
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"And another… Leslie Lilley. From The Times: ‘A Reform candidate has said he would “slaughter” migrants arriving on small boats and “have their family taken out.” Standard Reform. An element of the electorate seem to think voting for these people is a good idea. Shrug emoji. *********************************** This is certainly NOT "Standard Reform" " It is. " Why would you post such fantastic untruths..? " I haven't. " Have you any irrevocable proof of this being anywhere near their policy...?? " Who said it's got anything to do with policy? " Of course you haven't, " I haven't claimed I have. " if it were to be fact, I would be the first to strenuously oppose and report to the electoral commission. " Excellent work. " Incidentally, I have no interest(s) in ANY political party, my own views are private and unavailable for 'discussion' on a platform such as this. I just detest lies and corruption in whatever form. " | |||
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"Reform on 18 seats in the latest MRP poll. It’s almost like the endless fearmongering doesn’t work. Feels like we’ve been here before."
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"Reform on 18 seats in the latest MRP poll. It’s almost like the endless fearmongering doesn’t work. Feels like we’ve been here before.
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"Reform on 18 seats in the latest MRP poll. It’s almost like the endless fearmongering doesn’t work. Feels like we’ve been here before.
It’s odd that you very clever people only have one gear. You should try changing it sometime. I’m guessing you don’t because you simply can’t work out how."What? I was agreeing with you. | |||
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""And another… Leslie Lilley. From The Times: ‘A Reform candidate has said he would “slaughter” migrants arriving on small boats and “have their family taken out.” Standard Reform. An element of the electorate seem to think voting for these people is a good idea. Shrug emoji. *********************************** This is certainly NOT "Standard Reform" " It is ********************************** Then PROVE IT irrefutably. If you know the meaning of the word." Just what is it about Reform that attracts so many racist candidates? | |||
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""And another… Leslie Lilley. From The Times: ‘A Reform candidate has said he would “slaughter” migrants arriving on small boats and “have their family taken out.” Standard Reform. An element of the electorate seem to think voting for these people is a good idea. Shrug emoji. *********************************** This is certainly NOT "Standard Reform" " It is ********************************** Then PROVE IT irrefutably. If you know the meaning of the word. Just what is it about Reform that attracts so many racist candidates?" Hugo Boss day wear perhaps? | |||
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"Reform on 18 seats in the latest MRP poll. It’s almost like the endless fearmongering doesn’t work. Feels like we’ve been here before." I can't see them getting even close to that figure especially given the system we have but agree that how some choose to react to them and try to combat them only increases their support. | |||
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""And another… Leslie Lilley. From The Times: ‘A Reform candidate has said he would “slaughter” migrants arriving on small boats and “have their family taken out.” Standard Reform. An element of the electorate seem to think voting for these people is a good idea. Shrug emoji. *********************************** This is certainly NOT "Standard Reform" " It is ********************************** Then PROVE IT irrefutably. If you know the meaning of the word. Just what is it about Reform that attracts so many racist candidates? Hugo Boss day wear perhaps?" Fragrances by Coco Chanel. | |||
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""And another… Leslie Lilley. From The Times: ‘A Reform candidate has said he would “slaughter” migrants arriving on small boats and “have their family taken out.” Standard Reform. An element of the electorate seem to think voting for these people is a good idea. Shrug emoji. *********************************** This is certainly NOT "Standard Reform" " It is ********************************** Then PROVE IT irrefutably. If you know the meaning of the word. Just what is it about Reform that attracts so many racist candidates? Hugo Boss day wear perhaps? Fragrances by Coco Chanel." Yep | |||
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""And another… Leslie Lilley. From The Times: ‘A Reform candidate has said he would “slaughter” migrants arriving on small boats and “have their family taken out.” Standard Reform. An element of the electorate seem to think voting for these people is a good idea. Shrug emoji. *********************************** This is certainly NOT "Standard Reform" " It is ********************************** Then PROVE IT irrefutably. If you know the meaning of the word." Firstly are you suggesting that Reform aren't full of people like this? If that's the case the burden of proof is on you. If someone claims the moon is made of custard. Then demands you prove it's not. It's silly. The burden of proof is on the person making the outrageous claim. But seeing as you asked nicely. Leslie Lilley is Facebook friends with Gary Raikes. How many reform candidates are friends with Gary. 41. Standard Reform. There's one single example. If you want more, just look at the rhetoric that comes from members of their party. Standard. | |||
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"Just what is it about Reform that attracts so many racist candidates?" Do you need to be reminded that only one British political party has been found guilty of discrimination by the Equality and Human Rights Commission, and it wasn't Reform. It's clear that other parties also have problems with racism. | |||
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"Just what is it about Reform that attracts so many racist candidates? Do you need to be reminded that only one British political party has been found guilty of discrimination by the Equality and Human Rights Commission, and it wasn't Reform. It's clear that other parties also have problems with racism." Good point. "What about Labour" trumps everything single argument on any subject. Fact. | |||
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"Just what is it about Reform that attracts so many racist candidates? Do you need to be reminded that only one British political party has been found guilty of discrimination by the Equality and Human Rights Commission, and it wasn't Reform. It's clear that other parties also have problems with racism. Good point. "What about Labour" trumps everything single argument on any subject. Fact." It’s sCiEnCe | |||
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"Reform on 18 seats in the latest MRP poll. It’s almost like the endless fearmongering doesn’t work. Feels like we’ve been here before." is this the poll that puts libs as the oppo? | |||
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""And another… Leslie Lilley. From The Times: ‘A Reform candidate has said he would “slaughter” migrants arriving on small boats and “have their family taken out.” Standard Reform. An element of the electorate seem to think voting for these people is a good idea. Shrug emoji. *********************************** This is certainly NOT "Standard Reform" " It is ********************************** Then PROVE IT irrefutably. If you know the meaning of the word. Firstly are you suggesting that Reform aren't full of people like this? If that's the case the burden of proof is on you. If someone claims the moon is made of custard. Then demands you prove it's not. It's silly. The burden of proof is on the person making the outrageous claim. But seeing as you asked nicely. Leslie Lilley is Facebook friends with Gary Raikes. How many reform candidates are friends with Gary. 41. Standard Reform. There's one single example. If you want more, just look at the rhetoric that comes from members of their party. Standard." ****************************** Standard reply. I'll let you alone now, I've done my little bit here, goodbye. | |||
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"Reform on 18 seats in the latest MRP poll. It’s almost like the endless fearmongering doesn’t work. Feels like we’ve been here before.is this the poll that puts libs as the oppo? " Yes it is. | |||
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""And another… Leslie Lilley. From The Times: ‘A Reform candidate has said he would “slaughter” migrants arriving on small boats and “have their family taken out.” Standard Reform. An element of the electorate seem to think voting for these people is a good idea. Shrug emoji. *********************************** This is certainly NOT "Standard Reform" " It is ********************************** Then PROVE IT irrefutably. If you know the meaning of the word. Firstly are you suggesting that Reform aren't full of people like this? If that's the case the burden of proof is on you. If someone claims the moon is made of custard. Then demands you prove it's not. It's silly. The burden of proof is on the person making the outrageous claim. But seeing as you asked nicely. Leslie Lilley is Facebook friends with Gary Raikes. How many reform candidates are friends with Gary. 41. Standard Reform. There's one single example. If you want more, just look at the rhetoric that comes from members of their party. Standard. ****************************** Standard reply. I'll let you alone now, I've done my little bit here, goodbye." Bye | |||
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"Talking about Labour isn’t allowed in the politics forum, unless it’s to praise them to the skies. Please respect the rules of constructive debate and keep comments to something along the lines of: Reform are racists and bigots Tory scum Greens don’t have to live up to their own standards, but you should. Living in a cave isn’t so bad, we’ve done it before a while back. " Do you live in opposite land? The forum is packed with people saying "what about Labour" on every thread, no matter how irrelevant. People are often claiming that Reform aren't attracting racists. And that someone waiting for quote for a heat pump is proof that environmentalism is fake. | |||
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"Talking about Labour isn’t allowed in the politics forum, unless it’s to praise them to the skies. Please respect the rules of constructive debate and keep comments to something along the lines of: Reform are racists and bigots Tory scum Greens don’t have to live up to their own standards, but you should. Living in a cave isn’t so bad, we’ve done it before a while back. Do you live in opposite land? The forum is packed with people saying "what about Labour" on every thread, no matter how irrelevant. People are often claiming that Reform aren't attracting racists. And that someone waiting for quote for a heat pump is proof that environmentalism is fake. " “Waiting for a quote for a heat pump”. Hahaha. | |||
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"Talking about Labour isn’t allowed in the politics forum, unless it’s to praise them to the skies. Please respect the rules of constructive debate and keep comments to something along the lines of: Reform are racists and bigots Tory scum Greens don’t have to live up to their own standards, but you should. Living in a cave isn’t so bad, we’ve done it before a while back. Do you live in opposite land? The forum is packed with people saying "what about Labour" on every thread, no matter how irrelevant. People are often claiming that Reform aren't attracting racists. And that someone waiting for quote for a heat pump is proof that environmentalism is fake. “Waiting for a quote for a heat pump”. Hahaha." Wasn't my thread. You should go and address the OP from that thread. | |||
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"So many one rotten apples. From the Grauniad ‘A Reform UK general election candidate has been dropped after it emerged that he had been on a list of members of the British National party (BNP). Raymond Saint, a retired owner of a plumbing company, had been standing for the radical right populist party in Basingstoke. A Raymond Saint, also with the same address, was recorded as a member of the BNP in a list that was published by WikiLeaks in 2009.’" How embarrassing for the BNP. | |||
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"So many one rotten apples. From the Grauniad ‘A Reform UK general election candidate has been dropped after it emerged that he had been on a list of members of the British National party (BNP). Raymond Saint, a retired owner of a plumbing company, had been standing for the radical right populist party in Basingstoke. A Raymond Saint, also with the same address, was recorded as a member of the BNP in a list that was published by WikiLeaks in 2009.’" That’s the final straw for me. I’m now voting Labour instead of Reform. | |||
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"So many one rotten apples. From the Grauniad ‘A Reform UK general election candidate has been dropped after it emerged that he had been on a list of members of the British National party (BNP). Raymond Saint, a retired owner of a plumbing company, had been standing for the radical right populist party in Basingstoke. A Raymond Saint, also with the same address, was recorded as a member of the BNP in a list that was published by WikiLeaks in 2009.’ That’s the final straw for me. I’m now voting Labour instead of Reform." I assume this is sarcasm. However there's plenty of truth here. The close links between Reform and the BNP aren't going to deter a BNP supporter or a Reform supporter. As discussed before, there's a gnats pube between the two. | |||
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"So many one rotten apples. From the Grauniad ‘A Reform UK general election candidate has been dropped after it emerged that he had been on a list of members of the British National party (BNP). Raymond Saint, a retired owner of a plumbing company, had been standing for the radical right populist party in Basingstoke. A Raymond Saint, also with the same address, was recorded as a member of the BNP in a list that was published by WikiLeaks in 2009.’ That’s the final straw for me. I’m now voting Labour instead of Reform. I assume this is sarcasm. However there's plenty of truth here. The close links between Reform and the BNP aren't going to deter a BNP supporter or a Reform supporter. As discussed before, there's a gnats pube between the two. " Johnny boy talking rubbish | |||
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"So many one rotten apples. From the Grauniad ‘A Reform UK general election candidate has been dropped after it emerged that he had been on a list of members of the British National party (BNP). Raymond Saint, a retired owner of a plumbing company, had been standing for the radical right populist party in Basingstoke. A Raymond Saint, also with the same address, was recorded as a member of the BNP in a list that was published by WikiLeaks in 2009.’ That’s the final straw for me. I’m now voting Labour instead of Reform. I assume this is sarcasm. However there's plenty of truth here. The close links between Reform and the BNP aren't going to deter a BNP supporter or a Reform supporter. As discussed before, there's a gnats pube between the two. Johnny boy talking rubbish " Do you have a counter point? These two are closely aligned. The major difference seems to be that the BNP aren't anti-science. | |||
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"And another… Leslie Lilley. From The Times: ‘A Reform candidate has said he would “slaughter” migrants arriving on small boats and “have their family taken out.” " He’s still a candidate, one can only assume the majority shareholder in Reform UK agrees with the comments. | |||
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"Channel 4 News at 7 looks as though it may be a decent watch." Channel 4 will be grateful that it’s got one viewer this evening. | |||
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"So many one rotten apples. From the Grauniad ‘A Reform UK general election candidate has been dropped after it emerged that he had been on a list of members of the British National party (BNP). Raymond Saint, a retired owner of a plumbing company, had been standing for the radical right populist party in Basingstoke. A Raymond Saint, also with the same address, was recorded as a member of the BNP in a list that was published by WikiLeaks in 2009.’ That’s the final straw for me. I’m now voting Labour instead of Reform. I assume this is sarcasm. However there's plenty of truth here. The close links between Reform and the BNP aren't going to deter a BNP supporter or a Reform supporter. As discussed before, there's a gnats pube between the two. Johnny boy talking rubbish Do you have a counter point? These two are closely aligned. The major difference seems to be that the BNP aren't anti-science." To be fair to the BNP at least everyone knew what they stood for. Unlike, say, the Green Party, who seem to have one rule for themselves and another for everyone else. | |||
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"And another… Leslie Lilley. From The Times: ‘A Reform candidate has said he would “slaughter” migrants arriving on small boats and “have their family taken out.” He’s still a candidate, one can only assume the majority shareholder in Reform UK agrees with the comments." Why so obsessed with Reform? Worse than my UNISON/Unite fixation tbh | |||
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"So many one rotten apples. From the Grauniad ‘A Reform UK general election candidate has been dropped after it emerged that he had been on a list of members of the British National party (BNP). Raymond Saint, a retired owner of a plumbing company, had been standing for the radical right populist party in Basingstoke. A Raymond Saint, also with the same address, was recorded as a member of the BNP in a list that was published by WikiLeaks in 2009.’ That’s the final straw for me. I’m now voting Labour instead of Reform. I assume this is sarcasm. However there's plenty of truth here. The close links between Reform and the BNP aren't going to deter a BNP supporter or a Reform supporter. As discussed before, there's a gnats pube between the two. Johnny boy talking rubbish Do you have a counter point? These two are closely aligned. The major difference seems to be that the BNP aren't anti-science." Your inference that all reform voters are akin to the bnp (a gnats pube between the two) is offensive to the millions of decent people thinking of voting that way as well, i suspect, you know. Is every labour voter a socialist with communist leanings for example? Of course not. There's bad apples in every political barrel and every walk of life. Don't tar every voter with the same brush simply because their opinion differs from yours because you'll just piss off decent people and stirr up grief unnecessarily | |||
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"So many one rotten apples. From the Grauniad ‘A Reform UK general election candidate has been dropped after it emerged that he had been on a list of members of the British National party (BNP). Raymond Saint, a retired owner of a plumbing company, had been standing for the radical right populist party in Basingstoke. A Raymond Saint, also with the same address, was recorded as a member of the BNP in a list that was published by WikiLeaks in 2009.’ That’s the final straw for me. I’m now voting Labour instead of Reform. I assume this is sarcasm. However there's plenty of truth here. The close links between Reform and the BNP aren't going to deter a BNP supporter or a Reform supporter. As discussed before, there's a gnats pube between the two. Johnny boy talking rubbish Do you have a counter point? These two are closely aligned. The major difference seems to be that the BNP aren't anti-science. Your inference that all reform voters are akin to the bnp (a gnats pube between the two) is offensive to the millions of decent people thinking of voting that way as well, i suspect, you know. Is every labour voter a socialist with communist leanings for example? Of course not. There's bad apples in every political barrel and every walk of life. Don't tar every voter with the same brush simply because their opinion differs from yours because you'll just piss off decent people and stirr up grief unnecessarily " The Socialists have a bit of form in that regard, what with Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Ceaucescu ....... | |||
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"So many one rotten apples. From the Grauniad ‘A Reform UK general election candidate has been dropped after it emerged that he had been on a list of members of the British National party (BNP). Raymond Saint, a retired owner of a plumbing company, had been standing for the radical right populist party in Basingstoke. A Raymond Saint, also with the same address, was recorded as a member of the BNP in a list that was published by WikiLeaks in 2009.’ That’s the final straw for me. I’m now voting Labour instead of Reform. I assume this is sarcasm. However there's plenty of truth here. The close links between Reform and the BNP aren't going to deter a BNP supporter or a Reform supporter. As discussed before, there's a gnats pube between the two. Johnny boy talking rubbish Do you have a counter point? These two are closely aligned. The major difference seems to be that the BNP aren't anti-science. Your inference that all reform voters are akin to the bnp (a gnats pube between the two) is offensive to the millions of decent people thinking of voting that way as well, i suspect, you know. Is every labour voter a socialist with communist leanings for example? Of course not. There's bad apples in every political barrel and every walk of life. Don't tar every voter with the same brush simply because their opinion differs from yours because you'll just piss off decent people and stirr up grief unnecessarily " Watch the channel four piece on some of the reform people in Clacton and then tell me that decent people agree with the vile racist and homophobic views expressed plus the other crap they come out with.. | |||
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"So many one rotten apples. From the Grauniad ‘A Reform UK general election candidate has been dropped after it emerged that he had been on a list of members of the British National party (BNP). Raymond Saint, a retired owner of a plumbing company, had been standing for the radical right populist party in Basingstoke. A Raymond Saint, also with the same address, was recorded as a member of the BNP in a list that was published by WikiLeaks in 2009.’ That’s the final straw for me. I’m now voting Labour instead of Reform. I assume this is sarcasm. However there's plenty of truth here. The close links between Reform and the BNP aren't going to deter a BNP supporter or a Reform supporter. As discussed before, there's a gnats pube between the two. Johnny boy talking rubbish Do you have a counter point? These two are closely aligned. The major difference seems to be that the BNP aren't anti-science. Your inference that all reform voters are akin to the bnp (a gnats pube between the two) is offensive to the millions of decent people thinking of voting that way as well, i suspect, you know. Is every labour voter a socialist with communist leanings for example? Of course not. There's bad apples in every political barrel and every walk of life. Don't tar every voter with the same brush simply because their opinion differs from yours because you'll just piss off decent people and stirr up grief unnecessarily The Socialists have a bit of form in that regard, what with Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Ceaucescu ......." Like the Conservatives with Hitler, Mussolini, Franco, Pinochet. | |||
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"So many one rotten apples. From the Grauniad ‘A Reform UK general election candidate has been dropped after it emerged that he had been on a list of members of the British National party (BNP). Raymond Saint, a retired owner of a plumbing company, had been standing for the radical right populist party in Basingstoke. A Raymond Saint, also with the same address, was recorded as a member of the BNP in a list that was published by WikiLeaks in 2009.’ That’s the final straw for me. I’m now voting Labour instead of Reform. I assume this is sarcasm. However there's plenty of truth here. The close links between Reform and the BNP aren't going to deter a BNP supporter or a Reform supporter. As discussed before, there's a gnats pube between the two. Johnny boy talking rubbish Do you have a counter point? These two are closely aligned. The major difference seems to be that the BNP aren't anti-science. Your inference that all reform voters are akin to the bnp (a gnats pube between the two) is offensive to the millions of decent people thinking of voting that way as well, i suspect, you know. Is every labour voter a socialist with communist leanings for example? Of course not. There's bad apples in every political barrel and every walk of life. Don't tar every voter with the same brush simply because their opinion differs from yours because you'll just piss off decent people and stirr up grief unnecessarily The Socialists have a bit of form in that regard, what with Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Ceaucescu ....... Like the Conservatives with Hitler, Mussolini, Franco, Pinochet." Not forgetting Pol Pot. The Left definitely like to send him down the memory hole. | |||
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"So many one rotten apples. From the Grauniad ‘A Reform UK general election candidate has been dropped after it emerged that he had been on a list of members of the British National party (BNP). Raymond Saint, a retired owner of a plumbing company, had been standing for the radical right populist party in Basingstoke. A Raymond Saint, also with the same address, was recorded as a member of the BNP in a list that was published by WikiLeaks in 2009.’ That’s the final straw for me. I’m now voting Labour instead of Reform. I assume this is sarcasm. However there's plenty of truth here. The close links between Reform and the BNP aren't going to deter a BNP supporter or a Reform supporter. As discussed before, there's a gnats pube between the two. Johnny boy talking rubbish Do you have a counter point? These two are closely aligned. The major difference seems to be that the BNP aren't anti-science. Your inference that all reform voters are akin to the bnp (a gnats pube between the two) is offensive to the millions of decent people thinking of voting that way as well, i suspect, you know. Is every labour voter a socialist with communist leanings for example? Of course not. There's bad apples in every political barrel and every walk of life. Don't tar every voter with the same brush simply because their opinion differs from yours because you'll just piss off decent people and stirr up grief unnecessarily The Socialists have a bit of form in that regard, what with Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Ceaucescu ....... Like the Conservatives with Hitler, Mussolini, Franco, Pinochet." Be interesting to do a grim balance sheet of the hapless souls who perished under the two groups. Mao alone presided over the deaths of 40 - 80 mil. | |||
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"So many one rotten apples. From the Grauniad ‘A Reform UK general election candidate has been dropped after it emerged that he had been on a list of members of the British National party (BNP). Raymond Saint, a retired owner of a plumbing company, had been standing for the radical right populist party in Basingstoke. A Raymond Saint, also with the same address, was recorded as a member of the BNP in a list that was published by WikiLeaks in 2009.’ That’s the final straw for me. I’m now voting Labour instead of Reform. I assume this is sarcasm. However there's plenty of truth here. The close links between Reform and the BNP aren't going to deter a BNP supporter or a Reform supporter. As discussed before, there's a gnats pube between the two. Johnny boy talking rubbish Do you have a counter point? These two are closely aligned. The major difference seems to be that the BNP aren't anti-science. Your inference that all reform voters are akin to the bnp (a gnats pube between the two) is offensive to the millions of decent people thinking of voting that way as well, i suspect, you know. Is every labour voter a socialist with communist leanings for example? Of course not. There's bad apples in every political barrel and every walk of life. Don't tar every voter with the same brush simply because their opinion differs from yours because you'll just piss off decent people and stirr up grief unnecessarily The Socialists have a bit of form in that regard, what with Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Ceaucescu ....... Like the Conservatives with Hitler, Mussolini, Franco, Pinochet. Be interesting to do a grim balance sheet of the hapless souls who perished under the two groups. Mao alone presided over the deaths of 40 - 80 mil." We shouldn’t forget Trump I suppose, who is also “literally Hitler”. | |||
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"So many one rotten apples. From the Grauniad ‘A Reform UK general election candidate has been dropped after it emerged that he had been on a list of members of the British National party (BNP). Raymond Saint, a retired owner of a plumbing company, had been standing for the radical right populist party in Basingstoke. A Raymond Saint, also with the same address, was recorded as a member of the BNP in a list that was published by WikiLeaks in 2009.’ That’s the final straw for me. I’m now voting Labour instead of Reform. I assume this is sarcasm. However there's plenty of truth here. The close links between Reform and the BNP aren't going to deter a BNP supporter or a Reform supporter. As discussed before, there's a gnats pube between the two. Johnny boy talking rubbish Do you have a counter point? These two are closely aligned. The major difference seems to be that the BNP aren't anti-science. Your inference that all reform voters are akin to the bnp (a gnats pube between the two) is offensive to the millions of decent people thinking of voting that way as well, i suspect, you know. Is every labour voter a socialist with communist leanings for example? Of course not. There's bad apples in every political barrel and every walk of life. Don't tar every voter with the same brush simply because their opinion differs from yours because you'll just piss off decent people and stirr up grief unnecessarily The Socialists have a bit of form in that regard, what with Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Ceaucescu ....... Like the Conservatives with Hitler, Mussolini, Franco, Pinochet. Be interesting to do a grim balance sheet of the hapless souls who perished under the two groups. Mao alone presided over the deaths of 40 - 80 mil. We shouldn’t forget Trump I suppose, who is also “literally Hitler”." Is it the comb over? | |||
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"So many one rotten apples. From the Grauniad ‘A Reform UK general election candidate has been dropped after it emerged that he had been on a list of members of the British National party (BNP). Raymond Saint, a retired owner of a plumbing company, had been standing for the radical right populist party in Basingstoke. A Raymond Saint, also with the same address, was recorded as a member of the BNP in a list that was published by WikiLeaks in 2009.’ That’s the final straw for me. I’m now voting Labour instead of Reform. I assume this is sarcasm. However there's plenty of truth here. The close links between Reform and the BNP aren't going to deter a BNP supporter or a Reform supporter. As discussed before, there's a gnats pube between the two. Johnny boy talking rubbish Do you have a counter point? These two are closely aligned. The major difference seems to be that the BNP aren't anti-science. Your inference that all reform voters are akin to the bnp (a gnats pube between the two) is offensive to the millions of decent people thinking of voting that way as well, i suspect, you know. Is every labour voter a socialist with communist leanings for example? Of course not. There's bad apples in every political barrel and every walk of life. Don't tar every voter with the same brush simply because their opinion differs from yours because you'll just piss off decent people and stirr up grief unnecessarily The Socialists have a bit of form in that regard, what with Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Ceaucescu ....... Like the Conservatives with Hitler, Mussolini, Franco, Pinochet. Be interesting to do a grim balance sheet of the hapless souls who perished under the two groups. Mao alone presided over the deaths of 40 - 80 mil. We shouldn’t forget Trump I suppose, who is also “literally Hitler”. Is it the comb over? "Still awaiting Johnny's further comments | |||
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"Its funny how people moan about racists people in Reform UK even though they acted quickly to get rid of such people but dont say much or anything when Tories are being Islamaphobic or when Labour are Antisemitic bear in mind that the BNP and Labour are the only 2 political parties who ever been investigated by the Equality Humans Rights Commission for being racist. Another reason why I could never vote Labour" But you're happy to vote Reform who are packed to the rafters with people who are linked to the BNP and friends with actual fascists? | |||
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"So many one rotten apples. From the Grauniad ‘A Reform UK general election candidate has been dropped after it emerged that he had been on a list of members of the British National party (BNP). Raymond Saint, a retired owner of a plumbing company, had been standing for the radical right populist party in Basingstoke. A Raymond Saint, also with the same address, was recorded as a member of the BNP in a list that was published by WikiLeaks in 2009.’ That’s the final straw for me. I’m now voting Labour instead of Reform. I assume this is sarcasm. However there's plenty of truth here. The close links between Reform and the BNP aren't going to deter a BNP supporter or a Reform supporter. As discussed before, there's a gnats pube between the two. Johnny boy talking rubbish Do you have a counter point? These two are closely aligned. The major difference seems to be that the BNP aren't anti-science. Your inference that all reform voters are akin to the bnp (a gnats pube between the two) " I haven't mentioned reform voters, was specifically talking about the Reform political party. " is offensive to the millions of decent people thinking of voting that way as well, i suspect, you know. " I didn't mention reform voters, so the above is not something I can comment on. " Is every labour voter a socialist with communist leanings for example? Of course not. There's bad apples in every political barrel and every walk of life. " Yes, Reform is a barrel packed with bad apples, are there any good ones not linked to the BNP, other fascists, making threats to foreigners, making dodgy comments etc? " Don't tar every voter with the same brush " I didn't talk about Reform voters. " simply because their opinion differs from yours because you'll just piss off decent people and stirr up grief unnecessarily " This has got nothing to do with my opinion. | |||
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"So many one rotten apples. From the Grauniad ‘A Reform UK general election candidate has been dropped after it emerged that he had been on a list of members of the British National party (BNP). Raymond Saint, a retired owner of a plumbing company, had been standing for the radical right populist party in Basingstoke. A Raymond Saint, also with the same address, was recorded as a member of the BNP in a list that was published by WikiLeaks in 2009.’ That’s the final straw for me. I’m now voting Labour instead of Reform. I assume this is sarcasm. However there's plenty of truth here. The close links between Reform and the BNP aren't going to deter a BNP supporter or a Reform supporter. As discussed before, there's a gnats pube between the two. Johnny boy talking rubbish Do you have a counter point? These two are closely aligned. The major difference seems to be that the BNP aren't anti-science. Your inference that all reform voters are akin to the bnp (a gnats pube between the two) is offensive to the millions of decent people thinking of voting that way as well, i suspect, you know. Is every labour voter a socialist with communist leanings for example? Of course not. There's bad apples in every political barrel and every walk of life. Don't tar every voter with the same brush simply because their opinion differs from yours because you'll just piss off decent people and stirr up grief unnecessarily The Socialists have a bit of form in that regard, what with Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Ceaucescu ....... Like the Conservatives with Hitler, Mussolini, Franco, Pinochet. Be interesting to do a grim balance sheet of the hapless souls who perished under the two groups. Mao alone presided over the deaths of 40 - 80 mil. We shouldn’t forget Trump I suppose, who is also “literally Hitler”. Is it the comb over?
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"So many one rotten apples. From the Grauniad ‘A Reform UK general election candidate has been dropped after it emerged that he had been on a list of members of the British National party (BNP). Raymond Saint, a retired owner of a plumbing company, had been standing for the radical right populist party in Basingstoke. A Raymond Saint, also with the same address, was recorded as a member of the BNP in a list that was published by WikiLeaks in 2009.’ That’s the final straw for me. I’m now voting Labour instead of Reform. I assume this is sarcasm. However there's plenty of truth here. The close links between Reform and the BNP aren't going to deter a BNP supporter or a Reform supporter. As discussed before, there's a gnats pube between the two. Johnny boy talking rubbish Do you have a counter point? These two are closely aligned. The major difference seems to be that the BNP aren't anti-science. Your inference that all reform voters are akin to the bnp (a gnats pube between the two) is offensive to the millions of decent people thinking of voting that way as well, i suspect, you know. Is every labour voter a socialist with communist leanings for example? Of course not. There's bad apples in every political barrel and every walk of life. Don't tar every voter with the same brush simply because their opinion differs from yours because you'll just piss off decent people and stirr up grief unnecessarily The Socialists have a bit of form in that regard, what with Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Ceaucescu ....... Like the Conservatives with Hitler, Mussolini, Franco, Pinochet. Be interesting to do a grim balance sheet of the hapless souls who perished under the two groups. Mao alone presided over the deaths of 40 - 80 mil." Top trumps? | |||
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"Its funny how people moan about racists people in Reform UK even though they acted quickly to get rid of such people but dont say much or anything when Tories are being Islamaphobic or when Labour are Antisemitic bear in mind that the BNP and Labour are the only 2 political parties who ever been investigated by the Equality Humans Rights Commission for being racist. Another reason why I could never vote Labour But you're happy to vote Reform who are packed to the rafters with people who are linked to the BNP and friends with actual fascists?" But if they are they kicked out Johnny. Anyways how racist can Reform be when their Deputy Leader is from Pakistan? At least with the Tories they have a Prime Minister who's Indian. Labour has yet to be lead by a woman (although they dont know what a woman is) and I dont see Labour ever being lead by a person of colour. I think certain people need to look up the word racism and understand what the term really means. If any of you saw how they treated Dianne Abbott to the others in Labour who were accused of Antisemitism then you'll understand | |||
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"Its funny how people moan about racists people in Reform UK even though they acted quickly to get rid of such people but dont say much or anything when Tories are being Islamaphobic or when Labour are Antisemitic bear in mind that the BNP and Labour are the only 2 political parties who ever been investigated by the Equality Humans Rights Commission for being racist. Another reason why I could never vote Labour But you're happy to vote Reform who are packed to the rafters with people who are linked to the BNP and friends with actual fascists? But if they are they kicked out Johnny. Anyways how racist can Reform be when their Deputy Leader is from Pakistan? At least with the Tories they have a Prime Minister who's Indian. Labour has yet to be lead by a woman (although they dont know what a woman is) and I dont see Labour ever being lead by a person of colour. I think certain people need to look up the word racism and understand what the term really means. If any of you saw how they treated Dianne Abbott to the others in Labour who were accused of Antisemitism then you'll understand" Right. Lots of "what about". If Reform kicked out all their members and candidates with links to fascism, there wouldn't be many left. Have you looked into your local Reform candidate? | |||
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"Its funny how people moan about racists people in Reform UK even though they acted quickly to get rid of such people but dont say much or anything when Tories are being Islamaphobic or when Labour are Antisemitic bear in mind that the BNP and Labour are the only 2 political parties who ever been investigated by the Equality Humans Rights Commission for being racist. Another reason why I could never vote Labour But you're happy to vote Reform who are packed to the rafters with people who are linked to the BNP and friends with actual fascists? But if they are they kicked out Johnny. Anyways how racist can Reform be when their Deputy Leader is from Pakistan? At least with the Tories they have a Prime Minister who's Indian. Labour has yet to be lead by a woman (although they dont know what a woman is) and I dont see Labour ever being lead by a person of colour. I think certain people need to look up the word racism and understand what the term really means. If any of you saw how they treated Dianne Abbott to the others in Labour who were accused of Antisemitism then you'll understand Right. Lots of "what about". If Reform kicked out all their members and candidates with links to fascism, there wouldn't be many left. Have you looked into your local Reform candidate?" Yeap and I actually spoken to him yesterday at a meeting at my local library yesterday and regardless if anyone likes it or not I will be voting for him | |||
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"Its funny how people moan about racists people in Reform UK even though they acted quickly to get rid of such people but dont say much or anything when Tories are being Islamaphobic or when Labour are Antisemitic bear in mind that the BNP and Labour are the only 2 political parties who ever been investigated by the Equality Humans Rights Commission for being racist. Another reason why I could never vote Labour But you're happy to vote Reform who are packed to the rafters with people who are linked to the BNP and friends with actual fascists? But if they are they kicked out Johnny. Anyways how racist can Reform be when their Deputy Leader is from Pakistan? At least with the Tories they have a Prime Minister who's Indian. Labour has yet to be lead by a woman (although they dont know what a woman is) and I dont see Labour ever being lead by a person of colour. I think certain people need to look up the word racism and understand what the term really means. If any of you saw how they treated Dianne Abbott to the others in Labour who were accused of Antisemitism then you'll understand Right. Lots of "what about". If Reform kicked out all their members and candidates with links to fascism, there wouldn't be many left. Have you looked into your local Reform candidate? Yeap and I actually spoken to him yesterday at a meeting at my local library yesterday and regardless if anyone likes it or not I will be voting for him" Fair enough, you must have one of the odd ones not linked to fascists, BNP etc. I have no opinion who you vote for. There are millions like you voting for these anti-science, anti-immigrant loons. | |||
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"Your inference that all reform voters are akin to the bnp (a gnats pube between the two) is offensive to the millions of decent people thinking of voting that way as well, i suspect, you know. Is every labour voter a socialist with communist leanings for example? Of course not. There's bad apples in every political barrel and every walk of life. Don't tar every voter with the same brush simply because their opinion differs from yours because you'll just piss off decent people and stirr up grief unnecessarily " Shhhhh.... your post is far too sensible for the likes of this forum, and might offend the more dogmatic and myopic amongst us. | |||
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"Your inference that all reform voters are akin to the bnp (a gnats pube between the two) is offensive to the millions of decent people thinking of voting that way as well, i suspect, you know. Is every labour voter a socialist with communist leanings for example? Of course not. There's bad apples in every political barrel and every walk of life. Don't tar every voter with the same brush simply because their opinion differs from yours because you'll just piss off decent people and stirr up grief unnecessarily Shhhhh.... your post is far too sensible for the likes of this forum, and might offend the more dogmatic and myopic amongst us. " It wasn't a sensible post. I addressed all these points above. | |||
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"Your inference that all reform voters are akin to the bnp (a gnats pube between the two) is offensive to the millions of decent people thinking of voting that way as well, i suspect, you know. Is every labour voter a socialist with communist leanings for example? Of course not. There's bad apples in every political barrel and every walk of life. Don't tar every voter with the same brush simply because their opinion differs from yours because you'll just piss off decent people and stirr up grief unnecessarily Shhhhh.... your post is far too sensible for the likes of this forum, and might offend the more dogmatic and myopic amongst us. It wasn't a sensible post. I addressed all these points above. "Whatever you do, do t upset the racists. | |||
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"Your inference that all reform voters are akin to the bnp (a gnats pube between the two) is offensive to the millions of decent people thinking of voting that way as well, i suspect, you know. Is every labour voter a socialist with communist leanings for example? Of course not. There's bad apples in every political barrel and every walk of life. Don't tar every voter with the same brush simply because their opinion differs from yours because you'll just piss off decent people and stirr up grief unnecessarily Shhhhh.... your post is far too sensible for the likes of this forum, and might offend the more dogmatic and myopic amongst us. It wasn't a sensible post. I addressed all these points above.
Whatever you do, do t upset the racists."Everyone who disagrees with me on any topic is a racist! Amazing! I think that’s a new tactic! We’ve never heard it before! The Left are just geniuses! | |||
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"Your inference that all reform voters are akin to the bnp (a gnats pube between the two) is offensive to the millions of decent people thinking of voting that way as well, i suspect, you know. Is every labour voter a socialist with communist leanings for example? Of course not. There's bad apples in every political barrel and every walk of life. Don't tar every voter with the same brush simply because their opinion differs from yours because you'll just piss off decent people and stirr up grief unnecessarily Shhhhh.... your post is far too sensible for the likes of this forum, and might offend the more dogmatic and myopic amongst us. It wasn't a sensible post. I addressed all these points above.
Whatever you do, do t upset the racists.
The Left are just geniuses!
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"Your inference that all reform voters are akin to the bnp (a gnats pube between the two) is offensive to the millions of decent people thinking of voting that way as well, i suspect, you know. Is every labour voter a socialist with communist leanings for example? Of course not. There's bad apples in every political barrel and every walk of life. Don't tar every voter with the same brush simply because their opinion differs from yours because you'll just piss off decent people and stirr up grief unnecessarily Shhhhh.... your post is far too sensible for the likes of this forum, and might offend the more dogmatic and myopic amongst us. It wasn't a sensible post. I addressed all these points above.
Whatever you do, do t upset the racists.
Everyone who disagrees with me on any topic is a racist!
Amazing! I think that’s a new tactic! We’ve never heard it before! The Left are just geniuses!
"Blimey, reform voters and/or BNP supporters are a sensitive bunch. Why always the confusion about "not agreeing with me"? Or "if the opinion differs from yours"? We're talking about the close ties between BNP and Reform not opinions. | |||
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"Your inference that all reform voters are akin to the bnp (a gnats pube between the two) is offensive to the millions of decent people thinking of voting that way as well, i suspect, you know. Is every labour voter a socialist with communist leanings for example? Of course not. There's bad apples in every political barrel and every walk of life. Don't tar every voter with the same brush simply because their opinion differs from yours because you'll just piss off decent people and stirr up grief unnecessarily Shhhhh.... your post is far too sensible for the likes of this forum, and might offend the more dogmatic and myopic amongst us. It wasn't a sensible post. I addressed all these points above.
Whatever you do, do t upset the racists.
Everyone who disagrees with me on any topic is a racist!
Amazing! I think that’s a new tactic! We’ve never heard it before! The Left are just geniuses!
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"But here's a thing. Reform trajectory is to be 2nd most popular party by election day. But best estimate is a handful of seats. Is that democracy? Is FPTP protecting us or denying us democracy?" Both. If the electorate truly wants an even more divisive government based on hate and misinformation. Then that's what we should get. | |||
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" We're talking about the close ties between BNP and Reform not opinions." Tices earlier admission that they didn't have time to vet candidates plus the almost daily evidence of who the likes of the BNP have slithered and attached to will probably become more apparent in the last week.. Tommy Robinsons endorsement will help.. | |||
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