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"If Mr Farage can conquer Clacton-on-Sea, then who knows what's possible? The nation may yet be saved." Even that is far from certain. If it was PR then they would get true representation as would others. If Reform do start picking up seats with our current system then the Tories will have even bigger problems than now | |||
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"If Mr Farage can conquer Clacton-on-Sea, then who knows what's possible? The nation may yet be saved. Even that is far from certain. If it was PR then they would get true representation as would others. If Reform do start picking up seats with our current system then the Tories will have even bigger problems than now" If it were proportional representation, we might end up with a Conservative/Reform coalition... | |||
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"Sky's poll tracker currently has the Conservatives trailing Labour by 21 points. Reform UK are polling in third. ****** Reform UK leader Nigel Farage Meanwhile, a new poll has found Mr Farage is the people's pick to take over from Rishi Sunak as leader of the Conservatives if Labour wins the election. The poll of 2,000 people showed 19% think Mr Farage should take over from Mr Sunak. The poll offered six other names - Penny Mordaunt (15%), James Cleverly (6%), Kemi Badenoch (5%), Suella Braverman (4%), Priti Patel (2%) and Robert Jenrick (1%). ****** 48% said they did not know who should replace Mr Sunak.
"Terrifying thought. Do we really need more hate, more superstition, less awareness of social injustice, especially racism? The country is moving in a dangerous direction. | |||
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"Sky's poll tracker currently has the Conservatives trailing Labour by 21 points. Reform UK are polling in third. ****** Reform UK leader Nigel Farage Meanwhile, a new poll has found Mr Farage is the people's pick to take over from Rishi Sunak as leader of the Conservatives if Labour wins the election. The poll of 2,000 people showed 19% think Mr Farage should take over from Mr Sunak. The poll offered six other names - Penny Mordaunt (15%), James Cleverly (6%), Kemi Badenoch (5%), Suella Braverman (4%), Priti Patel (2%) and Robert Jenrick (1%). ****** 48% said they did not know who should replace Mr Sunak.
Terrifying thought. Do we really need more hate, more superstition, less awareness of social injustice, especially racism?
The country is moving in a dangerous direction. "We’ve already got to that place under the tories £2.7trn in debt (£99518 per household) Brexit harm to the economy (£100bn a year) Farming viability destroyed, reduced to 0.6% gdp Public services, housing, unhealthy overweight population, list is endless Tories and new labour own the mess. | |||
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"Sky's poll tracker currently has the Conservatives trailing Labour by 21 points. Reform UK are polling in third. ****** Reform UK leader Nigel Farage Meanwhile, a new poll has found Mr Farage is the people's pick to take over from Rishi Sunak as leader of the Conservatives if Labour wins the election. The poll of 2,000 people showed 19% think Mr Farage should take over from Mr Sunak. The poll offered six other names - Penny Mordaunt (15%), James Cleverly (6%), Kemi Badenoch (5%), Suella Braverman (4%), Priti Patel (2%) and Robert Jenrick (1%). ****** 48% said they did not know who should replace Mr Sunak.
Terrifying thought. Do we really need more hate, more superstition, less awareness of social injustice, especially racism?
The country is moving in a dangerous direction.
We’ve already got to that place under the tories
£2.7trn in debt (£99518 per household)
Brexit harm to the economy (£100bn a year)
Farming viability destroyed, reduced to 0.6% gdp
Public services, housing, unhealthy overweight population, list is endless
Tories and new labour own the mess.
"This is true. We should be moving away from this kind of politics, not deeper into it. | |||
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"He's ONLY doing it to piss off the conservatives . . . But how many others of his political generation . . . ****Farage was named "Briton of the Year" by The Times in 2014***** " Not voted for by me but I’m glad he is here to call out the rubbish spouted by red and blue. | |||
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"He's ONLY doing it to piss off the conservatives . . . But how many others of his political generation . . . ****Farage was named "Briton of the Year" by The Times in 2014***** Not voted for by me but I’m glad he is here to call out the rubbish spouted by red and blue. " The Lib Dems should be doing that, rather than trying BoJo-style publicity stunts. | |||
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"If Mr Farage can conquer Clacton-on-Sea, then who knows what's possible? The nation may yet be saved. Even that is far from certain. If it was PR then they would get true representation as would others. If Reform do start picking up seats with our current system then the Tories will have even bigger problems than now If it were proportional representation, we might end up with a Conservative/Reform coalition..." We might do and there are other coalition possibilities but at least it is a fairer reflection of the people. I don't expect it anytime soon though. As I understand it, farage is to lead the reform party for 5 years so right up to the GE after this one. However if he gets thrashed in clacton he may not last that long. | |||
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"Bring it on He has more in common with working Britons than a billionaire who wants to reinstate national service and then deserts D Day commemoration On the financial stuff Sunak couldn’t tie Farages shoe laces. " You mean merchant banker and person who fiddled with expenses whilst in the European Parliament and person who wants to get rid of the NHS Nigel farage Yeah… common man my arse! | |||
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"If Mr Farage can conquer Clacton-on-Sea, then who knows what's possible? The nation may yet be saved." If he can ‘conquer’ Clacton on Sea? You’re acting like he hasn’t been pretty much guaranteed he will win it by his advisors. Clacton returned the second biggest vote for Brexit in the country, and is one of only two constituencies to return a UKIP candidate as MP. This is not an against all odds situation, it’s pretty much odds on. | |||
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"If Mr Farage can conquer Clacton-on-Sea, then who knows what's possible? The nation may yet be saved. Even that is far from certain. If it was PR then they would get true representation as would others. If Reform do start picking up seats with our current system then the Tories will have even bigger problems than now If it were proportional representation, we might end up with a Conservative/Reform coalition..." With the Conservatives and Reform polling a combined 35% of the vote, I doubt it. Labour LibDems and Greens combined have 60%. With Labour alone accounting for 44% that’s 9% higher than Cons/Reform combined. | |||
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"If Mr Farage can conquer Clacton-on-Sea, then who knows what's possible? The nation may yet be saved. Even that is far from certain. If it was PR then they would get true representation as would others. If Reform do start picking up seats with our current system then the Tories will have even bigger problems than now If it were proportional representation, we might end up with a Conservative/Reform coalition... We might do and there are other coalition possibilities but at least it is a fairer reflection of the people. I don't expect it anytime soon though. As I understand it, farage is to lead the reform party for 5 years so right up to the GE after this one. However if he gets thrashed in clacton he may not last that long." Farage will lead Reform for as long as he wants to, there is no way of getting rid of him. | |||
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"If Mr Farage can conquer Clacton-on-Sea, then who knows what's possible? The nation may yet be saved. If he can ‘conquer’ Clacton on Sea? You’re acting like he hasn’t been pretty much guaranteed he will win it by his advisors. Clacton returned the second biggest vote for Brexit in the country, and is one of only two constituencies to return a UKIP candidate as MP. This is not an against all odds situation, it’s pretty much odds on." Let the Burghers of Clacton decide. I'm sure they'll make the right decision one way or the other. It would certainly make for an interesting parliament. | |||
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"If Mr Farage can conquer Clacton-on-Sea, then who knows what's possible? The nation may yet be saved. If he can ‘conquer’ Clacton on Sea? You’re acting like he hasn’t been pretty much guaranteed he will win it by his advisors. Clacton returned the second biggest vote for Brexit in the country, and is one of only two constituencies to return a UKIP candidate as MP. This is not an against all odds situation, it’s pretty much odds on. Let the Burghers of Clacton decide. I'm sure they'll make the right decision one way or the other. It would certainly make for an interesting parliament." I don’t doubt for one second he’ll win but then he wouldn’t have stood if he didn’t think it was nailed on. | |||
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"Sky's poll tracker currently has the Conservatives trailing Labour by 21 points. Reform UK are polling in third. ****** Reform UK leader Nigel Farage Meanwhile, a new poll has found Mr Farage is the people's pick to take over from Rishi Sunak as leader of the Conservatives if Labour wins the election. The poll of 2,000 people showed 19% think Mr Farage should take over from Mr Sunak. The poll offered six other names - Penny Mordaunt (15%), James Cleverly (6%), Kemi Badenoch (5%), Suella Braverman (4%), Priti Patel (2%) and Robert Jenrick (1%). ****** 48% said they did not know who is Mr Sunak.
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"If Mr Farage can conquer Clacton-on-Sea, then who knows what's possible? The nation may yet be saved." Aye but you're blessed union is fucked. | |||
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"****Farage was named "Briton of the Year" by The Times in 2014***** Hitler was named as Man of the Year for 1938 by the American, Time Magazine. . . " You're not seriously suggesting farage is a budding Hitler? FFS get real | |||
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"****Farage was named "Briton of the Year" by The Times in 2014***** Hitler was named as Man of the Year for 1938 by the American, Time Magazine. . . You're not seriously suggesting farage is a budding Hitler? FFS get real " 
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"****Farage was named "Briton of the Year" by The Times in 2014***** Hitler was named as Man of the Year for 1938 by the American, Time Magazine. . . You're not seriously suggesting farage is a budding Hitler? FFS get real
Read it again.."Better things to do | |||
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"****Farage was named "Briton of the Year" by The Times in 2014***** Hitler was named as Man of the Year for 1938 by the American, Time Magazine. . . You're not seriously suggesting farage is a budding Hitler? FFS get real
Read it again..
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"Labour pledges 1.5 million new homes No tax rises 100,000 nursery places 40,000 GP appointments 7,000 more GP’s Cheaper GB energy 13,000 extra neighbourhood police To make brexit work Thousands more prison places 6500 extra teachers Tories 8,000 neighbourhood police officers No stamp duty for first time buyers National service £700 million to end sick notes 30 towns to get £20M each levelling up Two years extra maths Ending Mickey Mouse degrees Can’t keep up. What are reform offering in this electron spending spree Where’s the money coming from " Reform/Farage: Science isn't real. Teachers who are aware of social injustice, especially racism should be kept out of schools. Them foriegners over there are your enemy. | |||
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"Labour pledges 1.5 million new homes No tax rises 100,000 nursery places 40,000 GP appointments 7,000 more GP’s Cheaper GB energy 13,000 extra neighbourhood police To make brexit work Thousands more prison places 6500 extra teachers Tories 8,000 neighbourhood police officers No stamp duty for first time buyers National service £700 million to end sick notes 30 towns to get £20M each levelling up Two years extra maths Ending Mickey Mouse degrees Can’t keep up. What are reform offering in this electron spending spree Where’s the money coming from Reform/Farage: Science isn't real. Teachers who are aware of social injustice, especially racism should be kept out of schools. Them foriegners over there are your enemy. " are your enemy as he ever said that tho or is it another mad lefty rant some ppl can’t keep it real on here next we be hanging of that cliff again | |||
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"Labour pledges 1.5 million new homes No tax rises 100,000 nursery places 40,000 GP appointments 7,000 more GP’s Cheaper GB energy 13,000 extra neighbourhood police To make brexit work Thousands more prison places 6500 extra teachers Tories 8,000 neighbourhood police officers No stamp duty for first time buyers National service £700 million to end sick notes 30 towns to get £20M each levelling up Two years extra maths Ending Mickey Mouse degrees Can’t keep up. What are reform offering in this electron spending spree Where’s the money coming from Reform/Farage: Science isn't real. Teachers who are aware of social injustice, especially racism should be kept out of schools. Them foriegners over there are your enemy. are your enemy as he ever said that tho or is it another mad lefty rant some ppl can’t keep it real on here next we be hanging of that cliff again " Paraphrasing. Is it now "mad lefty rant" to not blame foreigners for everything? What a time to be alive. | |||
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"If Mr Farage can conquer Clacton-on-Sea, then who knows what's possible? The nation may yet be saved. Even that is far from certain. If it was PR then they would get true representation as would others. If Reform do start picking up seats with our current system then the Tories will have even bigger problems than now If it were proportional representation, we might end up with a Conservative/Reform coalition... We might do and there are other coalition possibilities but at least it is a fairer reflection of the people. I don't expect it anytime soon though. As I understand it, farage is to lead the reform party for 5 years so right up to the GE after this one. However if he gets thrashed in clacton he may not last that long. Farage will lead Reform for as long as he wants to, there is no way of getting rid of him." thats because they are not a party as sutch but a plc of which farage is the ceo and majority share holder | |||
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"Sky's poll tracker currently has the Conservatives trailing Labour by 21 points. Reform UK are polling in third. ****** Reform UK leader Nigel Farage Meanwhile, a new poll has found Mr Farage is the people's pick to take over from Rishi Sunak as leader of the Conservatives if Labour wins the election. The poll of 2,000 people showed 19% think Mr Farage should take over from Mr Sunak. The poll offered six other names - Penny Mordaunt (15%), James Cleverly (6%), Kemi Badenoch (5%), Suella Braverman (4%), Priti Patel (2%) and Robert Jenrick (1%). ****** 48% said they did not know who should replace Mr Sunak.
Terrifying thought. Do we really need more hate, more superstition, less awareness of social injustice, especially racism?
The country is moving in a dangerous direction. "Yet it’s the “tolerant left” throwing concrete, milkshakes, vandalising property, stopping working people from going about their business. | |||
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"Sky's poll tracker currently has the Conservatives trailing Labour by 21 points. Reform UK are polling in third. ****** Reform UK leader Nigel Farage Meanwhile, a new poll has found Mr Farage is the people's pick to take over from Rishi Sunak as leader of the Conservatives if Labour wins the election. The poll of 2,000 people showed 19% think Mr Farage should take over from Mr Sunak. The poll offered six other names - Penny Mordaunt (15%), James Cleverly (6%), Kemi Badenoch (5%), Suella Braverman (4%), Priti Patel (2%) and Robert Jenrick (1%). ****** 48% said they did not know who should replace Mr Sunak.
Terrifying thought. Do we really need more hate, more superstition, less awareness of social injustice, especially racism?
The country is moving in a dangerous direction.
Yet it’s the “tolerant left” throwing concrete, milkshakes, vandalising property, stopping working people from going about their business. "And you know their political leanings how? | |||
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"Sky's poll tracker currently has the Conservatives trailing Labour by 21 points. Reform UK are polling in third. ****** Reform UK leader Nigel Farage Meanwhile, a new poll has found Mr Farage is the people's pick to take over from Rishi Sunak as leader of the Conservatives if Labour wins the election. The poll of 2,000 people showed 19% think Mr Farage should take over from Mr Sunak. The poll offered six other names - Penny Mordaunt (15%), James Cleverly (6%), Kemi Badenoch (5%), Suella Braverman (4%), Priti Patel (2%) and Robert Jenrick (1%). ****** 48% said they did not know who should replace Mr Sunak.
Terrifying thought. Do we really need more hate, more superstition, less awareness of social injustice, especially racism?
The country is moving in a dangerous direction.
Yet it’s the “tolerant left” throwing concrete, milkshakes, vandalising property, stopping working people from going about their business.
And you know their political leanings how?"I think it's silly to assume these people are "left". Plenty of people from across the political know what science is, and are opposed to hate based politics. | |||
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"Sky's poll tracker currently has the Conservatives trailing Labour by 21 points. Reform UK are polling in third. ****** Reform UK leader Nigel Farage Meanwhile, a new poll has found Mr Farage is the people's pick to take over from Rishi Sunak as leader of the Conservatives if Labour wins the election. The poll of 2,000 people showed 19% think Mr Farage should take over from Mr Sunak. The poll offered six other names - Penny Mordaunt (15%), James Cleverly (6%), Kemi Badenoch (5%), Suella Braverman (4%), Priti Patel (2%) and Robert Jenrick (1%). ****** 48% said they did not know who should replace Mr Sunak.
Terrifying thought. Do we really need more hate, more superstition, less awareness of social injustice, especially racism?
The country is moving in a dangerous direction.
Yet it’s the “tolerant left” throwing concrete, milkshakes, vandalising property, stopping working people from going about their business.
And you know their political leanings how?
I think it's silly to assume these people are "left". Plenty of people from across the political know what science is, and are opposed to hate based politics. "He knows how to get a rise out of people. | |||
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"Sky's poll tracker currently has the Conservatives trailing Labour by 21 points. Reform UK are polling in third. ****** Reform UK leader Nigel Farage Meanwhile, a new poll has found Mr Farage is the people's pick to take over from Rishi Sunak as leader of the Conservatives if Labour wins the election. The poll of 2,000 people showed 19% think Mr Farage should take over from Mr Sunak. The poll offered six other names - Penny Mordaunt (15%), James Cleverly (6%), Kemi Badenoch (5%), Suella Braverman (4%), Priti Patel (2%) and Robert Jenrick (1%). ****** 48% said they did not know who should replace Mr Sunak.
Terrifying thought. Do we really need more hate, more superstition, less awareness of social injustice, especially racism?
The country is moving in a dangerous direction.
Yet it’s the “tolerant left” throwing concrete, milkshakes, vandalising property, stopping working people from going about their business.
And you know their political leanings how?
I think it's silly to assume these people are "left". Plenty of people from across the political know what science is, and are opposed to hate based politics. "only you would think the prick who chucked it at farage isn’t a loonie lefty lol | |||
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"Sky's poll tracker currently has the Conservatives trailing Labour by 21 points. Reform UK are polling in third. ****** Reform UK leader Nigel Farage Meanwhile, a new poll has found Mr Farage is the people's pick to take over from Rishi Sunak as leader of the Conservatives if Labour wins the election. The poll of 2,000 people showed 19% think Mr Farage should take over from Mr Sunak. The poll offered six other names - Penny Mordaunt (15%), James Cleverly (6%), Kemi Badenoch (5%), Suella Braverman (4%), Priti Patel (2%) and Robert Jenrick (1%). ****** 48% said they did not know who should replace Mr Sunak.
Terrifying thought. Do we really need more hate, more superstition, less awareness of social injustice, especially racism?
The country is moving in a dangerous direction.
Yet it’s the “tolerant left” throwing concrete, milkshakes, vandalising property, stopping working people from going about their business.
And you know their political leanings how?
I think it's silly to assume these people are "left". Plenty of people from across the political know what science is, and are opposed to hate based politics. "People who are opposed to hate don't go around throwing stuff on others who are ideologically different, neither do people of science. It's usually people who have extreme political views either right or left. In this case, it's clearly the left. If someone did something similar to Corbyn, it's reasonable to say it's the right. | |||
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"Sky's poll tracker currently has the Conservatives trailing Labour by 21 points. Reform UK are polling in third. ****** Reform UK leader Nigel Farage Meanwhile, a new poll has found Mr Farage is the people's pick to take over from Rishi Sunak as leader of the Conservatives if Labour wins the election. The poll of 2,000 people showed 19% think Mr Farage should take over from Mr Sunak. The poll offered six other names - Penny Mordaunt (15%), James Cleverly (6%), Kemi Badenoch (5%), Suella Braverman (4%), Priti Patel (2%) and Robert Jenrick (1%). ****** 48% said they did not know who should replace Mr Sunak.
Terrifying thought. Do we really need more hate, more superstition, less awareness of social injustice, especially racism?
The country is moving in a dangerous direction.
Yet it’s the “tolerant left” throwing concrete, milkshakes, vandalising property, stopping working people from going about their business.
And you know their political leanings how?
I think it's silly to assume these people are "left". Plenty of people from across the political know what science is, and are opposed to hate based politics.
People who are opposed to hate don't go around throwing stuff on others who are ideologically different, neither do people of science. It's usually people who have extreme political views either right or left. In this case, it's clearly the left. If someone did something similar to Corbyn, it's reasonable to say it's the right." | |||
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"I might vote for them just to see the ensuing fucking meltdown of the left. I genuinely think that would be worth it "It would make for a highly entertaining PM's Questions. Top notch entertainment in prospect. | |||
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"I might vote for them just to see the ensuing fucking meltdown of the left. I genuinely think that would be worth it "Being honest back I think it is less the “left” having a meltdown, and more the Tory party which could splinter and see Suella and her ilk forge their own path OR try and pull Conservative party further to the right. | |||
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"I might vote for them just to see the ensuing fucking meltdown of the left. I genuinely think that would be worth it
Being honest back I think it is less the “left” having a meltdown, and more the Tory party which could splinter and see Suella and her ilk forge their own path OR try and pull Conservative party further to the right."I'm not talking about parties, I'm talking about us 'normal' folk. It's definitely the left. Reform supporters would take Suella in a heartbeat. | |||
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"I might vote for them just to see the ensuing fucking meltdown of the left. I genuinely think that would be worth it
Being honest back I think it is less the “left” having a meltdown, and more the Tory party which could splinter and see Suella and her ilk forge their own path OR try and pull Conservative party further to the right.
I'm not talking about parties, I'm talking about us 'normal' folk. It's definitely the left. Reform supporters would take Suella in a heartbeat. "Priti Patel will have a lot of influence post the GE, along with Braverman. There will be a bloodbath with those pair calling the shots behind the scenes with Farage, it is going to be an interesting time for the right, as well as the left | |||
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"If Mr Farage can conquer Clacton-on-Sea, then who knows what's possible? The nation may yet be saved." In the style of mrs Merton “ what was it about the only constituency to elect a UKIP MP that attracted you to Clacton On Sea Mr Farage” | |||
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"I might vote for them just to see the ensuing fucking meltdown of the left. I genuinely think that would be worth it
Being honest back I think it is less the “left” having a meltdown, and more the Tory party which could splinter and see Suella and her ilk forge their own path OR try and pull Conservative party further to the right.
I'm not talking about parties, I'm talking about us 'normal' folk. It's definitely the left. Reform supporters would take Suella in a heartbeat.
Priti Patel will have a lot of influence post the GE, along with Braverman.
There will be a bloodbath with those pair calling the shots behind the scenes with Farage, it is going to be an interesting time for the right, as well as the left "Do you think the Tories will lurch to the right or can you see a Labour style split with the SDP equivalent for the right being formed or the right wingers joining Reform? | |||
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" Priti Patel will have a lot of influence post the GE, along with Braverman. There will be a bloodbath with those pair calling the shots behind the scenes with Farage, it is going to be an interesting time for the right, as well as the left "A lot of influence on what/whom? If the polls are right a decimated Tory party? Who would care in reality? | |||
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"I might vote for them just to see the ensuing fucking meltdown of the left. I genuinely think that would be worth it
Being honest back I think it is less the “left” having a meltdown, and more the Tory party which could splinter and see Suella and her ilk forge their own path OR try and pull Conservative party further to the right.
I'm not talking about parties, I'm talking about us 'normal' folk. It's definitely the left. Reform supporters would take Suella in a heartbeat.
Priti Patel will have a lot of influence post the GE, along with Braverman.
There will be a bloodbath with those pair calling the shots behind the scenes with Farage, it is going to be an interesting time for the right, as well as the left
Do you think the Tories will lurch to the right or can you see a Labour style split with the SDP equivalent for the right being formed or the right wingers joining Reform? "I wouldn't be surprised with the split. Just like Labour under Corbyn, Tories have a conflict of ideology within themselves - being pro-business vs being conservative. Businesses want immigration. Conservatives don't. We saw this conflict come up between Liz Truss and Suella, later Sunak and Suella. It's only after their public support started taking a huge beating, Sunak decided to pass laws to reduce immigration. I don't see how they can reconcile with each other on this issue. One straightforward outcome would be for social conservatives to move to Reform leaving conservative party to be the pro-business one. | |||
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"I might vote for them just to see the ensuing fucking meltdown of the left. I genuinely think that would be worth it
Being honest back I think it is less the “left” having a meltdown, and more the Tory party which could splinter and see Suella and her ilk forge their own path OR try and pull Conservative party further to the right.
I'm not talking about parties, I'm talking about us 'normal' folk. It's definitely the left. Reform supporters would take Suella in a heartbeat.
Priti Patel will have a lot of influence post the GE, along with Braverman.
There will be a bloodbath with those pair calling the shots behind the scenes with Farage, it is going to be an interesting time for the right, as well as the left
Do you think the Tories will lurch to the right or can you see a Labour style split with the SDP equivalent for the right being formed or the right wingers joining Reform?
I wouldn't be surprised with the split. Just like Labour under Corbyn, Tories have a conflict of ideology within themselves - being pro-business vs being conservative. Businesses want immigration. Conservatives don't.
We saw this conflict come up between Liz Truss and Suella, later Sunak and Suella. It's only after their public support started taking a huge beating, Sunak decided to pass laws to reduce immigration. I don't see how they can reconcile with each other on this issue. One straightforward outcome would be for social conservatives to move to Reform leaving conservative party to be the pro-business one."But which businesses want immigration? I’m doubtful my plumber wants immigration, what good does it do him? Some big businesses might. It’s difficult to see the vast number of businesses that operate in the UK as a homogeneous blob. I’m struggling to see in what way this government has been business friendly. And a Labour government won’t be either. We will all continue to pay the price in negligible economic performance. | |||
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"I might vote for them just to see the ensuing fucking meltdown of the left. I genuinely think that would be worth it
Being honest back I think it is less the “left” having a meltdown, and more the Tory party which could splinter and see Suella and her ilk forge their own path OR try and pull Conservative party further to the right.
I'm not talking about parties, I'm talking about us 'normal' folk. It's definitely the left. Reform supporters would take Suella in a heartbeat.
Priti Patel will have a lot of influence post the GE, along with Braverman.
There will be a bloodbath with those pair calling the shots behind the scenes with Farage, it is going to be an interesting time for the right, as well as the left
Do you think the Tories will lurch to the right or can you see a Labour style split with the SDP equivalent for the right being formed or the right wingers joining Reform?
I wouldn't be surprised with the split. Just like Labour under Corbyn, Tories have a conflict of ideology within themselves - being pro-business vs being conservative. Businesses want immigration. Conservatives don't.
We saw this conflict come up between Liz Truss and Suella, later Sunak and Suella. It's only after their public support started taking a huge beating, Sunak decided to pass laws to reduce immigration. I don't see how they can reconcile with each other on this issue. One straightforward outcome would be for social conservatives to move to Reform leaving conservative party to be the pro-business one.
But which businesses want immigration? I’m doubtful my plumber wants immigration, what good does it do him?
Some big businesses might.
It’s difficult to see the vast number of businesses that operate in the UK as a homogeneous blob.
I’m struggling to see in what way this government has been business friendly. And a Labour government won’t be either.
We will all continue to pay the price in negligible economic performance. "What’s YOUR solution? BTW used to have an excellent Polish plumber. Superb quality of work at reasonable price. Gone now. Back to Brits ripping us off with inflated prices and shoddy work | |||
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"I might vote for them just to see the ensuing fucking meltdown of the left. I genuinely think that would be worth it
Being honest back I think it is less the “left” having a meltdown, and more the Tory party which could splinter and see Suella and her ilk forge their own path OR try and pull Conservative party further to the right.
I'm not talking about parties, I'm talking about us 'normal' folk. It's definitely the left. Reform supporters would take Suella in a heartbeat.
Priti Patel will have a lot of influence post the GE, along with Braverman.
There will be a bloodbath with those pair calling the shots behind the scenes with Farage, it is going to be an interesting time for the right, as well as the left
Do you think the Tories will lurch to the right or can you see a Labour style split with the SDP equivalent for the right being formed or the right wingers joining Reform?
I wouldn't be surprised with the split. Just like Labour under Corbyn, Tories have a conflict of ideology within themselves - being pro-business vs being conservative. Businesses want immigration. Conservatives don't.
We saw this conflict come up between Liz Truss and Suella, later Sunak and Suella. It's only after their public support started taking a huge beating, Sunak decided to pass laws to reduce immigration. I don't see how they can reconcile with each other on this issue. One straightforward outcome would be for social conservatives to move to Reform leaving conservative party to be the pro-business one."Aren't reform too far right to be classed as social? | |||
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"I might vote for them just to see the ensuing fucking meltdown of the left. I genuinely think that would be worth it
Being honest back I think it is less the “left” having a meltdown, and more the Tory party which could splinter and see Suella and her ilk forge their own path OR try and pull Conservative party further to the right.
I'm not talking about parties, I'm talking about us 'normal' folk. It's definitely the left. Reform supporters would take Suella in a heartbeat.
Priti Patel will have a lot of influence post the GE, along with Braverman.
There will be a bloodbath with those pair calling the shots behind the scenes with Farage, it is going to be an interesting time for the right, as well as the left
Do you think the Tories will lurch to the right or can you see a Labour style split with the SDP equivalent for the right being formed or the right wingers joining Reform?
I wouldn't be surprised with the split. Just like Labour under Corbyn, Tories have a conflict of ideology within themselves - being pro-business vs being conservative. Businesses want immigration. Conservatives don't.
We saw this conflict come up between Liz Truss and Suella, later Sunak and Suella. It's only after their public support started taking a huge beating, Sunak decided to pass laws to reduce immigration. I don't see how they can reconcile with each other on this issue. One straightforward outcome would be for social conservatives to move to Reform leaving conservative party to be the pro-business one.
But which businesses want immigration? I’m doubtful my plumber wants immigration, what good does it do him?
Some big businesses might.
It’s difficult to see the vast number of businesses that operate in the UK as a homogeneous blob.
I’m struggling to see in what way this government has been business friendly. And a Labour government won’t be either.
We will all continue to pay the price in negligible economic performance. "nobody really wants competition in their own field. But does your plumber want more nurses ? And would these nurses want enough plumbers ? It becomes a bit circular, agreed, but that's the discussion needed. And given both appeat to be on the skilled visa list there appears to be a shortfall. I want lower immigration. But by doing so I need to accept that there will be areas of my life that would become more expensive. I will pay more from plumbing say. | |||
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"Sky's poll tracker currently has the Conservatives trailing Labour by 21 points. Reform UK are polling in third. ****** Reform UK leader Nigel Farage Meanwhile, a new poll has found Mr Farage is the people's pick to take over from Rishi Sunak as leader of the Conservatives if Labour wins the election. The poll of 2,000 people showed 19% think Mr Farage should take over from Mr Sunak. The poll offered six other names - Penny Mordaunt (15%), James Cleverly (6%), Kemi Badenoch (5%), Suella Braverman (4%), Priti Patel (2%) and Robert Jenrick (1%). ****** 48% said they did not know who should replace Mr Sunak.
Terrifying thought. Do we really need more hate, more superstition, less awareness of social injustice, especially racism?
The country is moving in a dangerous direction.
Yet it’s the “tolerant left” throwing concrete, milkshakes, vandalising property, stopping working people from going about their business.
And you know their political leanings how?
I think it's silly to assume these people are "left". Plenty of people from across the political know what science is, and are opposed to hate based politics. only you would think the prick who chucked it at farage isn’t a loonie lefty lol "I haven't commented on the political persuasion of the person in question. Maybe you got me mixed up with someone else? | |||
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" Do you think the Tories will lurch to the right or can you see a Labour style split with the SDP equivalent for the right being formed or the right wingers joining Reform? I wouldn't be surprised with the split. Just like Labour under Corbyn, Tories have a conflict of ideology within themselves - being pro-business vs being conservative. Businesses want immigration. Conservatives don't. We saw this conflict come up between Liz Truss and Suella, later Sunak and Suella. It's only after their public support started taking a huge beating, Sunak decided to pass laws to reduce immigration. I don't see how they can reconcile with each other on this issue. One straightforward outcome would be for social conservatives to move to Reform leaving conservative party to be the pro-business one. But which businesses want immigration? I’m doubtful my plumber wants immigration, what good does it do him? Some big businesses might. It’s difficult to see the vast number of businesses that operate in the UK as a homogeneous blob. I’m struggling to see in what way this government has been business friendly. And a Labour government won’t be either. We will all continue to pay the price in negligible economic performance. " By business, I meant corporates not the self employed. Businesses want immigration because there isn't enough people with those skills in the country or because there are people but they can get cheaper labour from elsewhere. As I have mentioned in many other posts, the problem in UK and most of Europe is ageing population. The ratio between number of working people and number of consuming people is poor. You have two options. Be pro-corporate and let businesses go for immigration. But this seems to give zero positive returns because the country is going through a housing crisis, not to mention the social impact. The other option is to go the conservative way. This means controlling immigration but it comes at a cost. Everything will become expensive. Social welfare will be broken. We will need to make some hard choices here. The Japanese have chosen this option but they are aware of the difficulties of this option and are living with it by working their ass off and trying to automate everything. Tory politicians fall in the two of the above groups and it's hard for them to reconcile their ideologies. Ideally, we need politicians who can speak to people honestly about this situation. But everyone (including labour) says they can solve the problem without actually being honest about the compromises they will make. | |||
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"I might vote for them just to see the ensuing fucking meltdown of the left. I genuinely think that would be worth it
Being honest back I think it is less the “left” having a meltdown, and more the Tory party which could splinter and see Suella and her ilk forge their own path OR try and pull Conservative party further to the right.
I'm not talking about parties, I'm talking about us 'normal' folk. It's definitely the left. Reform supporters would take Suella in a heartbeat.
Priti Patel will have a lot of influence post the GE, along with Braverman.
There will be a bloodbath with those pair calling the shots behind the scenes with Farage, it is going to be an interesting time for the right, as well as the left
Do you think the Tories will lurch to the right or can you see a Labour style split with the SDP equivalent for the right being formed or the right wingers joining Reform?
I wouldn't be surprised with the split. Just like Labour under Corbyn, Tories have a conflict of ideology within themselves - being pro-business vs being conservative. Businesses want immigration. Conservatives don't.
We saw this conflict come up between Liz Truss and Suella, later Sunak and Suella. It's only after their public support started taking a huge beating, Sunak decided to pass laws to reduce immigration. I don't see how they can reconcile with each other on this issue. One straightforward outcome would be for social conservatives to move to Reform leaving conservative party to be the pro-business one.
Aren't reform too far right to be classed as social?"The Reform party is a right wing party not a far right extremist group. Why did you class them as far-right? | |||
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"I might vote for them just to see the ensuing fucking meltdown of the left. I genuinely think that would be worth it
Being honest back I think it is less the “left” having a meltdown, and more the Tory party which could splinter and see Suella and her ilk forge their own path OR try and pull Conservative party further to the right.
I'm not talking about parties, I'm talking about us 'normal' folk. It's definitely the left. Reform supporters would take Suella in a heartbeat.
Priti Patel will have a lot of influence post the GE, along with Braverman.
There will be a bloodbath with those pair calling the shots behind the scenes with Farage, it is going to be an interesting time for the right, as well as the left
Do you think the Tories will lurch to the right or can you see a Labour style split with the SDP equivalent for the right being formed or the right wingers joining Reform?
I wouldn't be surprised with the split. Just like Labour under Corbyn, Tories have a conflict of ideology within themselves - being pro-business vs being conservative. Businesses want immigration. Conservatives don't.
We saw this conflict come up between Liz Truss and Suella, later Sunak and Suella. It's only after their public support started taking a huge beating, Sunak decided to pass laws to reduce immigration. I don't see how they can reconcile with each other on this issue. One straightforward outcome would be for social conservatives to move to Reform leaving conservative party to be the pro-business one."In my opinion it will lurch right as that is where they will inflict most damage on the newly elected labour party. They will be hostile on illegal immigration and tax, Starmer has had it easy at the box up until now, being answerable to policy will either make him or break him. If the tories break him along with his own party, I predict a more left wing leadership team and this would be the ideal opportunity to remove Farage, Patel, Braverman and co, with a more considered centre right opposition. If the above played out I would expect the labour party to struggle taking a second term. Obviously this is only my thoughts  | |||
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" The Reform party is a right wing party not a far right extremist group. Why did you class them as far-right? " Reported in The Times today that almost 1 in 10 Reform candidates are Facebook friends with Gary Raikes, leader of the New British Union, aka Oswald Mosley for the 21st century. Ian Gribbin, Reform candidate, said Britain shouldn't have fought the Nazis in WW2. Another likened people of colour to baboons. Farage himself has a long track record of support for fascism - his school days, appearing at AfD rallies, endorsed by the head of the KKK. When someone shows you who they are, believe them. Reform are a Far Right party. | |||
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"I might vote for them just to see the ensuing fucking meltdown of the left. I genuinely think that would be worth it
Being honest back I think it is less the “left” having a meltdown, and more the Tory party which could splinter and see Suella and her ilk forge their own path OR try and pull Conservative party further to the right.
I'm not talking about parties, I'm talking about us 'normal' folk. It's definitely the left. Reform supporters would take Suella in a heartbeat.
Priti Patel will have a lot of influence post the GE, along with Braverman.
There will be a bloodbath with those pair calling the shots behind the scenes with Farage, it is going to be an interesting time for the right, as well as the left
Do you think the Tories will lurch to the right or can you see a Labour style split with the SDP equivalent for the right being formed or the right wingers joining Reform?
I wouldn't be surprised with the split. Just like Labour under Corbyn, Tories have a conflict of ideology within themselves - being pro-business vs being conservative. Businesses want immigration. Conservatives don't.
We saw this conflict come up between Liz Truss and Suella, later Sunak and Suella. It's only after their public support started taking a huge beating, Sunak decided to pass laws to reduce immigration. I don't see how they can reconcile with each other on this issue. One straightforward outcome would be for social conservatives to move to Reform leaving conservative party to be the pro-business one.
Aren't reform too far right to be classed as social?
The Reform party is a right wing party not a far right extremist group.
Why did you class them as far-right?
"Wikipedia describes them as "right wing populist". The political spectrum has been dragged so far to the right recently, that Reform probably aren't considered "far" right. Some of their bullshit is fairly extreme though. | |||
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"I might vote for them just to see the ensuing fucking meltdown of the left. I genuinely think that would be worth it
Being honest back I think it is less the “left” having a meltdown, and more the Tory party which could splinter and see Suella and her ilk forge their own path OR try and pull Conservative party further to the right.
I'm not talking about parties, I'm talking about us 'normal' folk. It's definitely the left. Reform supporters would take Suella in a heartbeat.
Priti Patel will have a lot of influence post the GE, along with Braverman.
There will be a bloodbath with those pair calling the shots behind the scenes with Farage, it is going to be an interesting time for the right, as well as the left
Do you think the Tories will lurch to the right or can you see a Labour style split with the SDP equivalent for the right being formed or the right wingers joining Reform?
I wouldn't be surprised with the split. Just like Labour under Corbyn, Tories have a conflict of ideology within themselves - being pro-business vs being conservative. Businesses want immigration. Conservatives don't.
We saw this conflict come up between Liz Truss and Suella, later Sunak and Suella. It's only after their public support started taking a huge beating, Sunak decided to pass laws to reduce immigration. I don't see how they can reconcile with each other on this issue. One straightforward outcome would be for social conservatives to move to Reform leaving conservative party to be the pro-business one.
Aren't reform too far right to be classed as social?
The Reform party is a right wing party not a far right extremist group.
Why did you class them as far-right?
"Rephrase: too far on the right | |||
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"I might vote for them just to see the ensuing fucking meltdown of the left. I genuinely think that would be worth it
Being honest back I think it is less the “left” having a meltdown, and more the Tory party which could splinter and see Suella and her ilk forge their own path OR try and pull Conservative party further to the right.
I'm not talking about parties, I'm talking about us 'normal' folk. It's definitely the left. Reform supporters would take Suella in a heartbeat.
Priti Patel will have a lot of influence post the GE, along with Braverman.
There will be a bloodbath with those pair calling the shots behind the scenes with Farage, it is going to be an interesting time for the right, as well as the left
Do you think the Tories will lurch to the right or can you see a Labour style split with the SDP equivalent for the right being formed or the right wingers joining Reform?
I wouldn't be surprised with the split. Just like Labour under Corbyn, Tories have a conflict of ideology within themselves - being pro-business vs being conservative. Businesses want immigration. Conservatives don't.
We saw this conflict come up between Liz Truss and Suella, later Sunak and Suella. It's only after their public support started taking a huge beating, Sunak decided to pass laws to reduce immigration. I don't see how they can reconcile with each other on this issue. One straightforward outcome would be for social conservatives to move to Reform leaving conservative party to be the pro-business one.
But which businesses want immigration? I’m doubtful my plumber wants immigration, what good does it do him?
Some big businesses might.
It’s difficult to see the vast number of businesses that operate in the UK as a homogeneous blob.
I’m struggling to see in what way this government has been business friendly. And a Labour government won’t be either.
We will all continue to pay the price in negligible economic performance. "Of course your plumber doesn’t, he doesn’t want the competition because then he’d have to lower his prices and people wouldn’t have to wait weeks or months for him to do the job. | |||
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" The Reform party is a right wing party not a far right extremist group. Why did you class them as far-right? Reported in The Times today that almost 1 in 10 Reform candidates are Facebook friends with Gary Raikes, leader of the New British Union, aka Oswald Mosley for the 21st century. Ian Gribbin, Reform candidate, said Britain shouldn't have fought the Nazis in WW2. Another likened people of colour to baboons. Farage himself has a long track record of support for fascism - his school days, appearing at AfD rallies, endorsed by the head of the KKK. When someone shows you who they are, believe them. Reform are a Far Right party." Far right would be BNP, national front and all those banned groups. Reform are not far-right. | |||
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" Aren't reform too far right to be classed as social?" I meant conservative on social issues, not socialist  | |||
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" The Reform party is a right wing party not a far right extremist group. Why did you class them as far-right? Reported in The Times today that almost 1 in 10 Reform candidates are Facebook friends with Gary Raikes, leader of the New British Union, aka Oswald Mosley for the 21st century. Ian Gribbin, Reform candidate, said Britain shouldn't have fought the Nazis in WW2. Another likened people of colour to baboons. Farage himself has a long track record of support for fascism - his school days, appearing at AfD rallies, endorsed by the head of the KKK. When someone shows you who they are, believe them. Reform are a Far Right party. Far right would be BNP, national front and all those banned groups. Reform are not far-right. " There's a mosquito's pube between them though. | |||
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" The Reform party is a right wing party not a far right extremist group. Why did you class them as far-right? Reported in The Times today that almost 1 in 10 Reform candidates are Facebook friends with Gary Raikes, leader of the New British Union, aka Oswald Mosley for the 21st century. Ian Gribbin, Reform candidate, said Britain shouldn't have fought the Nazis in WW2. Another likened people of colour to baboons. Farage himself has a long track record of support for fascism - his school days, appearing at AfD rallies, endorsed by the head of the KKK. When someone shows you who they are, believe them. Reform are a Far Right party. Far right would be BNP, national front and all those banned groups. Reform are not far-right. There's a mosquito's pube between them though. " You know I'm going to ask you to tell me exactly the policies that make you feel they are that close to extremists. | |||
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"I might vote for them just to see the ensuing fucking meltdown of the left. I genuinely think that would be worth it
Being honest back I think it is less the “left” having a meltdown, and more the Tory party which could splinter and see Suella and her ilk forge their own path OR try and pull Conservative party further to the right.
I'm not talking about parties, I'm talking about us 'normal' folk. It's definitely the left. Reform supporters would take Suella in a heartbeat.
Priti Patel will have a lot of influence post the GE, along with Braverman.
There will be a bloodbath with those pair calling the shots behind the scenes with Farage, it is going to be an interesting time for the right, as well as the left
Do you think the Tories will lurch to the right or can you see a Labour style split with the SDP equivalent for the right being formed or the right wingers joining Reform?
I wouldn't be surprised with the split. Just like Labour under Corbyn, Tories have a conflict of ideology within themselves - being pro-business vs being conservative. Businesses want immigration. Conservatives don't.
We saw this conflict come up between Liz Truss and Suella, later Sunak and Suella. It's only after their public support started taking a huge beating, Sunak decided to pass laws to reduce immigration. I don't see how they can reconcile with each other on this issue. One straightforward outcome would be for social conservatives to move to Reform leaving conservative party to be the pro-business one.
Aren't reform too far right to be classed as social?
The Reform party is a right wing party not a far right extremist group.
Why did you class them as far-right?
Rephrase: too far on the right" | |||
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" The Reform party is a right wing party not a far right extremist group. Why did you class them as far-right? Reported in The Times today that almost 1 in 10 Reform candidates are Facebook friends with Gary Raikes, leader of the New British Union, aka Oswald Mosley for the 21st century. Ian Gribbin, Reform candidate, said Britain shouldn't have fought the Nazis in WW2. Another likened people of colour to baboons. Farage himself has a long track record of support for fascism - his school days, appearing at AfD rallies, endorsed by the head of the KKK. When someone shows you who they are, believe them. Reform are a Far Right party. Far right would be BNP, national front and all those banned groups. Reform are not far-right. There's a mosquito's pube between them though. You know I'm going to ask you to tell me exactly the policies that make you feel they are that close to extremists. "Science isn't real. People who are aware of social injustice, especially racism, shouldn't be allowed to work in schools. As some examples. | |||
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" The Reform party is a right wing party not a far right extremist group. Why did you class them as far-right? Reported in The Times today that almost 1 in 10 Reform candidates are Facebook friends with Gary Raikes, leader of the New British Union, aka Oswald Mosley for the 21st century. Ian Gribbin, Reform candidate, said Britain shouldn't have fought the Nazis in WW2. Another likened people of colour to baboons. Farage himself has a long track record of support for fascism - his school days, appearing at AfD rallies, endorsed by the head of the KKK. When someone shows you who they are, believe them. Reform are a Far Right party. Far right would be BNP, national front and all those banned groups. Reform are not far-right. There's a mosquito's pube between them though. You know I'm going to ask you to tell me exactly the policies that make you feel they are that close to extremists.
Science isn't real. People who are aware of social injustice, especially racism, shouldn't be allowed to work in schools. As some examples."I think you are spinning a little, it is allowed of course but challenging the direction of the countries green strategy is not saying science isn't real. I can't be arsed going into the teaching one | |||
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" In my opinion it will lurch right as that is where they will inflict most damage on the newly elected labour party. They will be hostile on illegal immigration and tax, Starmer has had it easy at the box up until now, being answerable to policy will either make him or break him. If the tories break him along with his own party, I predict a more left wing leadership team and this would be the ideal opportunity to remove Farage, Patel, Braverman and co, with a more considered centre right opposition. If the above played out I would expect the labour party to struggle taking a second term. Obviously this is only my thoughts "I plan to vote for Starmer mostly to get Tories out of government so they can rebuild from scratch with some competent leadership. I very well expect Starmer to fuck up. It's easy to point fingers from outside. But I haven't heard anything from him that sounds like a solution to the countries problems. So yeah it won't be long people turn against him. Hopefully the conservatives figure out what they stand for and find a good leader in the meanwhile like you said. I wish we had a brutally honest politician like Milei who tells people the state of the country and be open about compromises we need to make. Then I went to the Libertarian UK website and found a terribly designed website where they are begging for money. What a sad state of affairs! | |||
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" The Reform party is a right wing party not a far right extremist group. Why did you class them as far-right? Reported in The Times today that almost 1 in 10 Reform candidates are Facebook friends with Gary Raikes, leader of the New British Union, aka Oswald Mosley for the 21st century. Ian Gribbin, Reform candidate, said Britain shouldn't have fought the Nazis in WW2. Another likened people of colour to baboons. Farage himself has a long track record of support for fascism - his school days, appearing at AfD rallies, endorsed by the head of the KKK. When someone shows you who they are, believe them. Reform are a Far Right party. Far right would be BNP, national front and all those banned groups. Reform are not far-right. There's a mosquito's pube between them though. You know I'm going to ask you to tell me exactly the policies that make you feel they are that close to extremists.
Science isn't real. People who are aware of social injustice, especially racism, shouldn't be allowed to work in schools. As some examples.
I think you are spinning a little, it is allowed of course but challenging the direction of the countries green strategy is not saying science isn't real.
"Indeed. Although they're straight up climate science deniers. " I can't be arsed going into the teaching one "Sure. It's right there on their website though. In any case. Either of these could easily be considered extreme. | |||
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" The Reform party is a right wing party not a far right extremist group. Why did you class them as far-right? Reported in The Times today that almost 1 in 10 Reform candidates are Facebook friends with Gary Raikes, leader of the New British Union, aka Oswald Mosley for the 21st century. Ian Gribbin, Reform candidate, said Britain shouldn't have fought the Nazis in WW2. Another likened people of colour to baboons. Farage himself has a long track record of support for fascism - his school days, appearing at AfD rallies, endorsed by the head of the KKK. When someone shows you who they are, believe them. Reform are a Far Right party." Small beer The vicars daughter Theresa May and Boris Johnson sold weapons to Saudi in full knowledge they would be used in war crimes against Yemeni civilians Blair and Co have half a million Iraqi deaths at their door Sunak is providing uk military help to Israel to execute Palestinians. | |||
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" The Reform party is a right wing party not a far right extremist group. Why did you class them as far-right? Reported in The Times today that almost 1 in 10 Reform candidates are Facebook friends with Gary Raikes, leader of the New British Union, aka Oswald Mosley for the 21st century. Ian Gribbin, Reform candidate, said Britain shouldn't have fought the Nazis in WW2. Another likened people of colour to baboons. Farage himself has a long track record of support for fascism - his school days, appearing at AfD rallies, endorsed by the head of the KKK. When someone shows you who they are, believe them. Reform are a Far Right party. Far right would be BNP, national front and all those banned groups. Reform are not far-right. There's a mosquito's pube between them though. You know I'm going to ask you to tell me exactly the policies that make you feel they are that close to extremists.
Science isn't real. People who are aware of social injustice, especially racism, shouldn't be allowed to work in schools. As some examples.
I think you are spinning a little, it is allowed of course but challenging the direction of the countries green strategy is not saying science isn't real.
Indeed. Although they're straight up climate science deniers.
I can't be arsed going into the teaching one
Sure. It's right there on their website though.
In any case. Either of these could easily be considered extreme.
"How do you feel about the Greens losing out across the beloved EU? Do you worry that the Net Zero scam has been rumbled? Or are you still well entrenched in the bunker? | |||
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" The Reform party is a right wing party not a far right extremist group. Why did you class them as far-right? Reported in The Times today that almost 1 in 10 Reform candidates are Facebook friends with Gary Raikes, leader of the New British Union, aka Oswald Mosley for the 21st century. Ian Gribbin, Reform candidate, said Britain shouldn't have fought the Nazis in WW2. Another likened people of colour to baboons. Farage himself has a long track record of support for fascism - his school days, appearing at AfD rallies, endorsed by the head of the KKK. When someone shows you who they are, believe them. Reform are a Far Right party. Far right would be BNP, national front and all those banned groups. Reform are not far-right. There's a mosquito's pube between them though. You know I'm going to ask you to tell me exactly the policies that make you feel they are that close to extremists.
Science isn't real. People who are aware of social injustice, especially racism, shouldn't be allowed to work in schools. As some examples.
I think you are spinning a little, it is allowed of course but challenging the direction of the countries green strategy is not saying science isn't real.
Indeed. Although they're straight up climate science deniers.
I can't be arsed going into the teaching one
Sure. It's right there on their website though.
In any case. Either of these could easily be considered extreme.
How do you feel about the Greens losing out across the beloved EU?
"Yeah the move away from anything sensible into the far right across the EU is obviously a negative. " Do you worry that the Net Zero scam has been rumbled? Or are you still well entrenched in the bunker?" No, I have an understanding of climate science. Thanks for your questions though. | |||
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" The Reform party is a right wing party not a far right extremist group. Why did you class them as far-right? Reported in The Times today that almost 1 in 10 Reform candidates are Facebook friends with Gary Raikes, leader of the New British Union, aka Oswald Mosley for the 21st century. Ian Gribbin, Reform candidate, said Britain shouldn't have fought the Nazis in WW2. Another likened people of colour to baboons. Farage himself has a long track record of support for fascism - his school days, appearing at AfD rallies, endorsed by the head of the KKK. When someone shows you who they are, believe them. Reform are a Far Right party. Far right would be BNP, national front and all those banned groups. Reform are not far-right. There's a mosquito's pube between them though. You know I'm going to ask you to tell me exactly the policies that make you feel they are that close to extremists.
Science isn't real. People who are aware of social injustice, especially racism, shouldn't be allowed to work in schools. As some examples.
I think you are spinning a little, it is allowed of course but challenging the direction of the countries green strategy is not saying science isn't real.
Indeed. Although they're straight up climate science deniers.
I can't be arsed going into the teaching one
Sure. It's right there on their website though.
In any case. Either of these could easily be considered extreme.
How do you feel about the Greens losing out across the beloved EU?
Do you worry that the Net Zero scam has been rumbled? Or are you still well entrenched in the bunker?"The left are there own biggest enemy.. The OP can keep spinning all he likes but the only people to blame for the lurch to the right is those on the left. | |||
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" The Reform party is a right wing party not a far right extremist group. Why did you class them as far-right? Reported in The Times today that almost 1 in 10 Reform candidates are Facebook friends with Gary Raikes, leader of the New British Union, aka Oswald Mosley for the 21st century. Ian Gribbin, Reform candidate, said Britain shouldn't have fought the Nazis in WW2. Another likened people of colour to baboons. Farage himself has a long track record of support for fascism - his school days, appearing at AfD rallies, endorsed by the head of the KKK. When someone shows you who they are, believe them. Reform are a Far Right party. Far right would be BNP, national front and all those banned groups. Reform are not far-right. There's a mosquito's pube between them though. You know I'm going to ask you to tell me exactly the policies that make you feel they are that close to extremists.
Science isn't real. People who are aware of social injustice, especially racism, shouldn't be allowed to work in schools. As some examples.
I think you are spinning a little, it is allowed of course but challenging the direction of the countries green strategy is not saying science isn't real.
Indeed. Although they're straight up climate science deniers.
I can't be arsed going into the teaching one
Sure. It's right there on their website though.
In any case. Either of these could easily be considered extreme.
How do you feel about the Greens losing out across the beloved EU?
Do you worry that the Net Zero scam has been rumbled? Or are you still well entrenched in the bunker?
The left are there own biggest enemy.. The OP can keep spinning all he likes but the only people to blame for the lurch to the right is those on the left of the right."FTFY  | |||
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"Sky's poll tracker currently has the Conservatives trailing Labour by 21 points. Reform UK are polling in third. ****** Reform UK leader Nigel Farage Meanwhile, a new poll has found Mr Farage is the people's pick to take over from Rishi Sunak as leader of the Conservatives if Labour wins the election. The poll of 2,000 people showed 19% think Mr Farage should take over from Mr Sunak. The poll offered six other names - Penny Mordaunt (15%), James Cleverly (6%), Kemi Badenoch (5%), Suella Braverman (4%), Priti Patel (2%) and Robert Jenrick (1%). ****** 48% said they did not know who should replace Mr Sunak.
"Latest yougov poll just released put reform in second place.. https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/49735-reform-now-1pt-ahead-of-the-tories-although-this-is-still-within-the-margin-of-error | |||
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" The Reform party is a right wing party not a far right extremist group. Why did you class them as far-right? Reported in The Times today that almost 1 in 10 Reform candidates are Facebook friends with Gary Raikes, leader of the New British Union, aka Oswald Mosley for the 21st century. Ian Gribbin, Reform candidate, said Britain shouldn't have fought the Nazis in WW2. Another likened people of colour to baboons. Farage himself has a long track record of support for fascism - his school days, appearing at AfD rallies, endorsed by the head of the KKK. When someone shows you who they are, believe them. Reform are a Far Right party. Far right would be BNP, national front and all those banned groups. Reform are not far-right. There's a mosquito's pube between them though. You know I'm going to ask you to tell me exactly the policies that make you feel they are that close to extremists.
Science isn't real. People who are aware of social injustice, especially racism, shouldn't be allowed to work in schools. As some examples.
I think you are spinning a little, it is allowed of course but challenging the direction of the countries green strategy is not saying science isn't real.
Indeed. Although they're straight up climate science deniers.
I can't be arsed going into the teaching one
Sure. It's right there on their website though.
In any case. Either of these could easily be considered extreme.
How do you feel about the Greens losing out across the beloved EU?
Do you worry that the Net Zero scam has been rumbled? Or are you still well entrenched in the bunker?
The left are there own biggest enemy.. The OP can keep spinning all he likes but the only people to blame for the lurch to the right is those on the left."What? | |||
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" The Reform party is a right wing party not a far right extremist group. Why did you class them as far-right? Reported in The Times today that almost 1 in 10 Reform candidates are Facebook friends with Gary Raikes, leader of the New British Union, aka Oswald Mosley for the 21st century. Ian Gribbin, Reform candidate, said Britain shouldn't have fought the Nazis in WW2. Another likened people of colour to baboons. Farage himself has a long track record of support for fascism - his school days, appearing at AfD rallies, endorsed by the head of the KKK. When someone shows you who they are, believe them. Reform are a Far Right party. Far right would be BNP, national front and all those banned groups. Reform are not far-right. There's a mosquito's pube between them though. You know I'm going to ask you to tell me exactly the policies that make you feel they are that close to extremists.
Science isn't real. People who are aware of social injustice, especially racism, shouldn't be allowed to work in schools. As some examples.
I think you are spinning a little, it is allowed of course but challenging the direction of the countries green strategy is not saying science isn't real.
Indeed. Although they're straight up climate science deniers.
I can't be arsed going into the teaching one
Sure. It's right there on their website though.
In any case. Either of these could easily be considered extreme.
How do you feel about the Greens losing out across the beloved EU?
Do you worry that the Net Zero scam has been rumbled? Or are you still well entrenched in the bunker?
The left are there own biggest enemy.. The OP can keep spinning all he likes but the only people to blame for the lurch to the right is those on the left.
What?
"Come on Johnny, I understand the message in the post and it is a common feeling amongst many across the EU and here, with live examples of a huge swing towards the right wing parties. You can either refuse to accept this is happening or try to understand why it is happening. | |||
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" The Reform party is a right wing party not a far right extremist group. Why did you class them as far-right? Reported in The Times today that almost 1 in 10 Reform candidates are Facebook friends with Gary Raikes, leader of the New British Union, aka Oswald Mosley for the 21st century. Ian Gribbin, Reform candidate, said Britain shouldn't have fought the Nazis in WW2. Another likened people of colour to baboons. Farage himself has a long track record of support for fascism - his school days, appearing at AfD rallies, endorsed by the head of the KKK. When someone shows you who they are, believe them. Reform are a Far Right party. Far right would be BNP, national front and all those banned groups. Reform are not far-right. There's a mosquito's pube between them though. You know I'm going to ask you to tell me exactly the policies that make you feel they are that close to extremists.
Science isn't real. People who are aware of social injustice, especially racism, shouldn't be allowed to work in schools. As some examples.
I think you are spinning a little, it is allowed of course but challenging the direction of the countries green strategy is not saying science isn't real.
Indeed. Although they're straight up climate science deniers.
I can't be arsed going into the teaching one
Sure. It's right there on their website though.
In any case. Either of these could easily be considered extreme.
How do you feel about the Greens losing out across the beloved EU?
Do you worry that the Net Zero scam has been rumbled? Or are you still well entrenched in the bunker?
The left are there own biggest enemy.. The OP can keep spinning all he likes but the only people to blame for the lurch to the right is those on the left.
What?
Come on Johnny, I understand the message in the post and it is a common feeling amongst many across the EU and here, with live examples of a huge swing towards the right wing parties.
You can either refuse to accept this is happening or try to understand why it is happening.
"I'll grab a cup of tea and prepare to lean why the only people to blame for this are those on the left. Go for it. | |||
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"Sky's poll tracker currently has the Conservatives trailing Labour by 21 points. Reform UK are polling in third. ****** Reform UK leader Nigel Farage Meanwhile, a new poll has found Mr Farage is the people's pick to take over from Rishi Sunak as leader of the Conservatives if Labour wins the election. The poll of 2,000 people showed 19% think Mr Farage should take over from Mr Sunak. The poll offered six other names - Penny Mordaunt (15%), James Cleverly (6%), Kemi Badenoch (5%), Suella Braverman (4%), Priti Patel (2%) and Robert Jenrick (1%). ****** 48% said they did not know who should replace Mr Sunak.
Latest yougov poll just released put reform in second place..
https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/49735-reform-now-1pt-ahead-of-the-tories-although-this-is-still-within-the-margin-of-error
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"Sky's poll tracker currently has the Conservatives trailing Labour by 21 points. Reform UK are polling in third. ****** Reform UK leader Nigel Farage Meanwhile, a new poll has found Mr Farage is the people's pick to take over from Rishi Sunak as leader of the Conservatives if Labour wins the election. The poll of 2,000 people showed 19% think Mr Farage should take over from Mr Sunak. The poll offered six other names - Penny Mordaunt (15%), James Cleverly (6%), Kemi Badenoch (5%), Suella Braverman (4%), Priti Patel (2%) and Robert Jenrick (1%). ****** 48% said they did not know who should replace Mr Sunak.
Terrifying thought. Do we really need more hate, more superstition, less awareness of social injustice, especially racism?
The country is moving in a dangerous direction. "I completely agree with you. We are living in quite worrying times. Anything that's based on division, exclusion and hate. An absolute recipe for disaster. I really hate what the Tories have done! They have created an environment that points the finger at those who aren't to blame and takes the attention off them who are absolutely deranged and so far removed from everything and even worse, will always be ok, regardless of the mess they have made. | |||
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"Far too many people still Burying their heads in the fucking sand. It's like Brexit 2.0." What are we exiting now, sanity? | |||
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"Far too many people still Burying their heads in the fucking sand. It's like Brexit 2.0. What are we exiting now, sanity?" Is you're head hurting tonight? Try not to think to hard or you'll start to understand some things. | |||
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"Farage absolutely flopping with every public appearance. The ITV audience are openly laughing in his face at this point, and it's clearly winding him up." But they were laughing far more at Penny Mordant. She was awful. Unable to read the room, rude and robotic. | |||
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"Farage absolutely flopping with every public appearance. The ITV audience are openly laughing in his face at this point, and it's clearly winding him up." Really?? Looked like an absolute car crash for Rayner to me. Good job there already 35% in the polls and the election is only 2 weeks away before they inflict any more wounds on themselves.. | |||
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"Latest poll shows Reform ahead of both libdems and Tories "Yup labour dropped 2% | |||
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"Far too many people still Burying their heads in the fucking sand. It's like Brexit 2.0. What are we exiting now, sanity? Is you're head hurting tonight? Try not to think to hard or you'll start to understand some things. " Tongue in cheek sunshine. I should have winked. As for head hurting, common occurrence with ABI.  | |||
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" with live examples of a huge swing towards the right wing parties. " Erm, there wasn't a huge swing to the right in the EU elections. At least not across the whole of the EU anyway. France did elect a host of right wing candidates, but other than that there was not a huge shift to the right. In the main the centrist parties held. In Finland there was a swing to the left, so as you would expect from a diverse group of nations there was a considerable range of results. | |||
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" with live examples of a huge swing towards the right wing parties. Erm, there wasn't a huge swing to the right in the EU elections. At least not across the whole of the EU anyway. France did elect a host of right wing candidates, but other than that there was not a huge shift to the right. In the main the centrist parties held. In Finland there was a swing to the left, so as you would expect from a diverse group of nations there was a considerable range of results. " I didn't mention the EU elections, I said a swing to the right wing across the EU and UK. | |||
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" with live examples of a huge swing towards the right wing parties. Erm, there wasn't a huge swing to the right in the EU elections. At least not across the whole of the EU anyway. France did elect a host of right wing candidates, but other than that there was not a huge shift to the right. In the main the centrist parties held. In Finland there was a swing to the left, so as you would expect from a diverse group of nations there was a considerable range of results. " "If the far right were to form a single group it would be the second largest force in Parliament, behind the traditionally dominant European People’s Party. The rivalries and disagreements within its ranks make that scenario unlikely, but its sheer size will nonetheless put rightward pressure on EU policy." Politico Best hope the far right groups don't start amalgomateing but they will put pressure on policies non the less... | |||
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" What's going on here? We can be confident the Great British public haven't taken a sharp right turn, so what's the driver?" That maybe the majority of Conservatives don't want Sunak to be the driver ? | |||
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"Reform have nudged ahead of the Tories - in one poll at least. Once again Farage won the TV debate hands down per viewer polls. What's going on here? We can be confident the Great British public haven't taken a sharp right turn, so what's the driver?" Reform are doing well in the polls but translating that into seats is the hard part unfortunately, for all of the smaller parties | |||
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"Reform have nudged ahead of the Tories - in one poll at least. Once again Farage won the TV debate hands down per viewer polls. What's going on here? We can be confident the Great British public haven't taken a sharp right turn, so what's the driver?" Two things, one - Farage can say whatever he likes because he knows he’ll never have to make good on it (like Brexit). Two - the debates don’t allow time to go into detail, which is a massive weakness for Farage. If you notice anytime he is pressed on detail he tries to change the subject or just starts laughing. | |||
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"Reform have nudged ahead of the Tories - in one poll at least. Once again Farage won the TV debate hands down per viewer polls. What's going on here? We can be confident the Great British public haven't taken a sharp right turn, so what's the driver? Reform are doing well in the polls but translating that into seats is the hard part unfortunately, for all of the smaller parties" Which is why we need PR so that every vote counts and people get the representation that they want. | |||
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"Reform have nudged ahead of the Tories - in one poll at least. Once again Farage won the TV debate hands down per viewer polls. What's going on here? We can be confident the Great British public haven't taken a sharp right turn, so what's the driver? Reform are doing well in the polls but translating that into seats is the hard part unfortunately, for all of the smaller parties Which is why we need PR so that every vote counts and people get the representation that they want." The argument against PR is that the likes of Count Binface would be entitled to an MP. FPTP keeps us safe from nutters doesn't it? | |||
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"Reform have nudged ahead of the Tories - in one poll at least. Once again Farage won the TV debate hands down per viewer polls. What's going on here? We can be confident the Great British public haven't taken a sharp right turn, so what's the driver? Two things, one - Farage can say whatever he likes because he knows he’ll never have to make good on it (like Brexit). Two - the debates don’t allow time to go into detail, which is a massive weakness for Farage. If you notice anytime he is pressed on detail he tries to change the subject or just starts laughing." Yes, Farage is a media pro and can manage a crowd, TV or otherwise. There again, he could well be an MP in a few weeks time with Reform as many seats as the Tories. | |||
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"Reform have nudged ahead of the Tories - in one poll at least. Once again Farage won the TV debate hands down per viewer polls. What's going on here? We can be confident the Great British public haven't taken a sharp right turn, so what's the driver? Reform are doing well in the polls but translating that into seats is the hard part unfortunately, for all of the smaller parties Which is why we need PR so that every vote counts and people get the representation that they want. The argument against PR is that the likes of Count Binface would be entitled to an MP. FPTP keeps us safe from nutters doesn't it?" So…? Seriously if people want to vote Fascist or Communist then they should have representation. It inevitably leads to coalitions but at least these are open and transparent (or at least in the public eye) so we can see the trade offs. Right now we have both Labour and Conservative as “secret” coalitions with party policy twisted and steered by interest and pressure groups like Momentum and ERG (or whatever they call themselves now). This is all done privately, behind closed doors, so the public have no idea what trade offs are happening. It means both Labour and Conservative parties have moved away from their core ideology. PR is the most democratic way to ensure your vote actually counts. Having a system that can deliver a government when it doesn’t get the largest vote share is ridiculous. | |||
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"Reform have nudged ahead of the Tories - in one poll at least. Once again Farage won the TV debate hands down per viewer polls. What's going on here? We can be confident the Great British public haven't taken a sharp right turn, so what's the driver? Reform are doing well in the polls but translating that into seats is the hard part unfortunately, for all of the smaller parties Which is why we need PR so that every vote counts and people get the representation that they want. The argument against PR is that the likes of Count Binface would be entitled to an MP. FPTP keeps us safe from nutters doesn't it? So…? Seriously if people want to vote Fascist or Communist then they should have representation. It inevitably leads to coalitions but at least these are open and transparent (or at least in the public eye) so we can see the trade offs. Right now we have both Labour and Conservative as “secret” coalitions with party policy twisted and steered by interest and pressure groups like Momentum and ERG (or whatever they call themselves now). This is all done privately, behind closed doors, so the public have no idea what trade offs are happening. It means both Labour and Conservative parties have moved away from their core ideology. PR is the most democratic way to ensure your vote actually counts. Having a system that can deliver a government when it doesn’t get the largest vote share is ridiculous. " Oh and you would still need a minimum threshold, ie each MP seat requires x thousand votes. | |||
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"Reform have nudged ahead of the Tories - in one poll at least. Once again Farage won the TV debate hands down per viewer polls. What's going on here? We can be confident the Great British public haven't taken a sharp right turn, so what's the driver? Reform are doing well in the polls but translating that into seats is the hard part unfortunately, for all of the smaller parties Which is why we need PR so that every vote counts and people get the representation that they want. The argument against PR is that the likes of Count Binface would be entitled to an MP. FPTP keeps us safe from nutters doesn't it? So…? Seriously if people want to vote Fascist or Communist then they should have representation. It inevitably leads to coalitions but at least these are open and transparent (or at least in the public eye) so we can see the trade offs. Right now we have both Labour and Conservative as “secret” coalitions with party policy twisted and steered by interest and pressure groups like Momentum and ERG (or whatever they call themselves now). This is all done privately, behind closed doors, so the public have no idea what trade offs are happening. It means both Labour and Conservative parties have moved away from their core ideology. PR is the most democratic way to ensure your vote actually counts. Having a system that can deliver a government when it doesn’t get the largest vote share is ridiculous. " Yes, I see possible benefits of PR, and it is arguably fairer. But there are also cons, amongst them a platform for nutters and minority issue 'extremists'. It's also far less likely to result in a majority government which is supposed to bring strong governance (although we haven't had much evidence of that admittedly). | |||
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"Reform have nudged ahead of the Tories - in one poll at least. Once again Farage won the TV debate hands down per viewer polls. What's going on here? We can be confident the Great British public haven't taken a sharp right turn, so what's the driver? Reform are doing well in the polls but translating that into seats is the hard part unfortunately, for all of the smaller parties Which is why we need PR so that every vote counts and people get the representation that they want. The argument against PR is that the likes of Count Binface would be entitled to an MP. FPTP keeps us safe from nutters doesn't it? So…? Seriously if people want to vote Fascist or Communist then they should have representation. It inevitably leads to coalitions but at least these are open and transparent (or at least in the public eye) so we can see the trade offs. Right now we have both Labour and Conservative as “secret” coalitions with party policy twisted and steered by interest and pressure groups like Momentum and ERG (or whatever they call themselves now). This is all done privately, behind closed doors, so the public have no idea what trade offs are happening. It means both Labour and Conservative parties have moved away from their core ideology. PR is the most democratic way to ensure your vote actually counts. Having a system that can deliver a government when it doesn’t get the largest vote share is ridiculous. Yes, I see possible benefits of PR, and it is arguably fairer. But there are also cons, amongst them a platform for nutters and minority issue 'extremists'. It's also far less likely to result in a majority government which is supposed to bring strong governance (although we haven't had much evidence of that admittedly). " Then it comes back to the argument “who decides where the line is that determines who is acceptable to have sitting in Parliament?” Who determines what is considered “extreme”? Is Communism extreme? Is Fascism? We already have laws in the UK to prevent hate speech so that can act as a barrier to quell some extremist views from being aired. | |||
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"Reform have nudged ahead of the Tories - in one poll at least. Once again Farage won the TV debate hands down per viewer polls. What's going on here? We can be confident the Great British public haven't taken a sharp right turn, so what's the driver? Reform are doing well in the polls but translating that into seats is the hard part unfortunately, for all of the smaller parties Which is why we need PR so that every vote counts and people get the representation that they want. The argument against PR is that the likes of Count Binface would be entitled to an MP. FPTP keeps us safe from nutters doesn't it? So…? Seriously if people want to vote Fascist or Communist then they should have representation. It inevitably leads to coalitions but at least these are open and transparent (or at least in the public eye) so we can see the trade offs. Right now we have both Labour and Conservative as “secret” coalitions with party policy twisted and steered by interest and pressure groups like Momentum and ERG (or whatever they call themselves now). This is all done privately, behind closed doors, so the public have no idea what trade offs are happening. It means both Labour and Conservative parties have moved away from their core ideology. PR is the most democratic way to ensure your vote actually counts. Having a system that can deliver a government when it doesn’t get the largest vote share is ridiculous. Yes, I see possible benefits of PR, and it is arguably fairer. But there are also cons, amongst them a platform for nutters and minority issue 'extremists'. It's also far less likely to result in a majority government which is supposed to bring strong governance (although we haven't had much evidence of that admittedly). Then it comes back to the argument “who decides where the line is that determines who is acceptable to have sitting in Parliament?” Who determines what is considered “extreme”? Is Communism extreme? Is Fascism? We already have laws in the UK to prevent hate speech so that can act as a barrier to quell some extremist views from being aired. " I have lived in countries that have a more representative electoral system. And you do get slightly more extremists as sitting MPs, like Reform. But they either don't get invited into the coalition or they are a very minor party. | |||
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"Reform have nudged ahead of the Tories - in one poll at least. Once again Farage won the TV debate hands down per viewer polls. What's going on here? We can be confident the Great British public haven't taken a sharp right turn, so what's the driver? Reform are doing well in the polls but translating that into seats is the hard part unfortunately, for all of the smaller parties Which is why we need PR so that every vote counts and people get the representation that they want. The argument against PR is that the likes of Count Binface would be entitled to an MP. FPTP keeps us safe from nutters doesn't it? So…? Seriously if people want to vote Fascist or Communist then they should have representation. It inevitably leads to coalitions but at least these are open and transparent (or at least in the public eye) so we can see the trade offs. Right now we have both Labour and Conservative as “secret” coalitions with party policy twisted and steered by interest and pressure groups like Momentum and ERG (or whatever they call themselves now). This is all done privately, behind closed doors, so the public have no idea what trade offs are happening. It means both Labour and Conservative parties have moved away from their core ideology. PR is the most democratic way to ensure your vote actually counts. Having a system that can deliver a government when it doesn’t get the largest vote share is ridiculous. Yes, I see possible benefits of PR, and it is arguably fairer. But there are also cons, amongst them a platform for nutters and minority issue 'extremists'. It's also far less likely to result in a majority government which is supposed to bring strong governance (although we haven't had much evidence of that admittedly). Then it comes back to the argument “who decides where the line is that determines who is acceptable to have sitting in Parliament?” Who determines what is considered “extreme”? Is Communism extreme? Is Fascism? We already have laws in the UK to prevent hate speech so that can act as a barrier to quell some extremist views from being aired. I have lived in countries that have a more representative electoral system. And you do get slightly more extremists as sitting MPs, like Reform. But they either don't get invited into the coalition or they are a very minor party." Exactly and the thing is, people voted for them! Some would argue the DUP were pretty extreme with some of their views. Yet with FPTP they held the Tory govt to ransom! | |||
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"Reform have nudged ahead of the Tories - in one poll at least. Once again Farage won the TV debate hands down per viewer polls. What's going on here? We can be confident the Great British public haven't taken a sharp right turn, so what's the driver? Two things, one - Farage can say whatever he likes because he knows he’ll never have to make good on it (like Brexit). Two - the debates don’t allow time to go into detail, which is a massive weakness for Farage. If you notice anytime he is pressed on detail he tries to change the subject or just starts laughing. Yes, Farage is a media pro and can manage a crowd, TV or otherwise. There again, he could well be an MP in a few weeks time with Reform as many seats as the Tories." I’m pretty sure Farage will be an MP, there’s no way he would stand if he thought he’d fail for the right time, the chances of Reform getting more seats than the Tories are slim to none, and slim’s left town. | |||
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"Reform have nudged ahead of the Tories - in one poll at least. Once again Farage won the TV debate hands down per viewer polls. What's going on here? We can be confident the Great British public haven't taken a sharp right turn, so what's the driver? Two things, one - Farage can say whatever he likes because he knows he’ll never have to make good on it (like Brexit). Two - the debates don’t allow time to go into detail, which is a massive weakness for Farage. If you notice anytime he is pressed on detail he tries to change the subject or just starts laughing. Yes, Farage is a media pro and can manage a crowd, TV or otherwise. There again, he could well be an MP in a few weeks time with Reform as many seats as the Tories. I’m pretty sure Farage will be an MP, there’s no way he would stand if he thought he’d fail for the right time, the chances of Reform getting more seats than the Tories are slim to none, and slim’s left town." Yes, I think he'll be the Honourable Member for Clacton-on-Sea in the next parliament. A bad thing? Maybe a good thing to have a strong character in opposition to a large majority Labour government? | |||
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"Reform have nudged ahead of the Tories - in one poll at least. Once again Farage won the TV debate hands down per viewer polls. What's going on here? We can be confident the Great British public haven't taken a sharp right turn, so what's the driver? Two things, one - Farage can say whatever he likes because he knows he’ll never have to make good on it (like Brexit). Two - the debates don’t allow time to go into detail, which is a massive weakness for Farage. If you notice anytime he is pressed on detail he tries to change the subject or just starts laughing. Yes, Farage is a media pro and can manage a crowd, TV or otherwise. There again, he could well be an MP in a few weeks time with Reform as many seats as the Tories. I’m pretty sure Farage will be an MP, there’s no way he would stand if he thought he’d fail for the right time, the chances of Reform getting more seats than the Tories are slim to none, and slim’s left town. Yes, I think he'll be the Honourable Member for Clacton-on-Sea in the next parliament. A bad thing? Maybe a good thing to have a strong character in opposition to a large majority Labour government? " A strong character is only good if they have something of value to add. | |||
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"Reform have nudged ahead of the Tories - in one poll at least. Once again Farage won the TV debate hands down per viewer polls. What's going on here? We can be confident the Great British public haven't taken a sharp right turn, so what's the driver? Two things, one - Farage can say whatever he likes because he knows he’ll never have to make good on it (like Brexit). Two - the debates don’t allow time to go into detail, which is a massive weakness for Farage. If you notice anytime he is pressed on detail he tries to change the subject or just starts laughing. Yes, Farage is a media pro and can manage a crowd, TV or otherwise. There again, he could well be an MP in a few weeks time with Reform as many seats as the Tories. I’m pretty sure Farage will be an MP, there’s no way he would stand if he thought he’d fail for the right time, the chances of Reform getting more seats than the Tories are slim to none, and slim’s left town. Yes, I think he'll be the Honourable Member for Clacton-on-Sea in the next parliament. A bad thing? Maybe a good thing to have a strong character in opposition to a large majority Labour government? " It will be a bad thing for Starmer, a bad thing for the tories but a good thing for Farage who will use his influence to help unpick the labour government at every turn, and ensure policies will be in place for enactment when the tories return to power. I do feel a little sorry for Starmer, he will need to learn quickly, he will have a pack of hyenas snapping at him from both the tories and the hardcore left within his party. | |||
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"Reform have nudged ahead of the Tories - in one poll at least. Once again Farage won the TV debate hands down per viewer polls. What's going on here? We can be confident the Great British public haven't taken a sharp right turn, so what's the driver? Two things, one - Farage can say whatever he likes because he knows he’ll never have to make good on it (like Brexit). Two - the debates don’t allow time to go into detail, which is a massive weakness for Farage. If you notice anytime he is pressed on detail he tries to change the subject or just starts laughing. Yes, Farage is a media pro and can manage a crowd, TV or otherwise. There again, he could well be an MP in a few weeks time with Reform as many seats as the Tories. I’m pretty sure Farage will be an MP, there’s no way he would stand if he thought he’d fail for the right time, the chances of Reform getting more seats than the Tories are slim to none, and slim’s left town. Yes, I think he'll be the Honourable Member for Clacton-on-Sea in the next parliament. A bad thing? Maybe a good thing to have a strong character in opposition to a large majority Labour government? A strong character is only good if they have something of value to add. " Well it seems the electorate think he does judging from his enduring popularity. They can't ALL be knuckle dragging racists can they? | |||
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"Reform have nudged ahead of the Tories - in one poll at least. Once again Farage won the TV debate hands down per viewer polls. What's going on here? We can be confident the Great British public haven't taken a sharp right turn, so what's the driver? Two things, one - Farage can say whatever he likes because he knows he’ll never have to make good on it (like Brexit). Two - the debates don’t allow time to go into detail, which is a massive weakness for Farage. If you notice anytime he is pressed on detail he tries to change the subject or just starts laughing. Yes, Farage is a media pro and can manage a crowd, TV or otherwise. There again, he could well be an MP in a few weeks time with Reform as many seats as the Tories. I’m pretty sure Farage will be an MP, there’s no way he would stand if he thought he’d fail for the right time, the chances of Reform getting more seats than the Tories are slim to none, and slim’s left town. Yes, I think he'll be the Honourable Member for Clacton-on-Sea in the next parliament. A bad thing? Maybe a good thing to have a strong character in opposition to a large majority Labour government? It will be a bad thing for Starmer, a bad thing for the tories but a good thing for Farage who will use his influence to help unpick the labour government at every turn, and ensure policies will be in place for enactment when the tories return to power. I do feel a little sorry for Starmer, he will need to learn quickly, he will have a pack of hyenas snapping at him from both the tories and the hardcore left within his party. " Farage is exactly what Parliament needs to shake things up. With a few exceptions the rest of them are a bunch of shallow group thinkers who wouldn’t have the guts to say it even if an original idea wormed its way into their tiny brains. If he manages to get elected he will slowly take the place over. | |||
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"Reform have nudged ahead of the Tories - in one poll at least. Once again Farage won the TV debate hands down per viewer polls. What's going on here? We can be confident the Great British public haven't taken a sharp right turn, so what's the driver? Two things, one - Farage can say whatever he likes because he knows he’ll never have to make good on it (like Brexit). Two - the debates don’t allow time to go into detail, which is a massive weakness for Farage. If you notice anytime he is pressed on detail he tries to change the subject or just starts laughing. Yes, Farage is a media pro and can manage a crowd, TV or otherwise. There again, he could well be an MP in a few weeks time with Reform as many seats as the Tories. I’m pretty sure Farage will be an MP, there’s no way he would stand if he thought he’d fail for the right time, the chances of Reform getting more seats than the Tories are slim to none, and slim’s left town. Yes, I think he'll be the Honourable Member for Clacton-on-Sea in the next parliament. A bad thing? Maybe a good thing to have a strong character in opposition to a large majority Labour government? It will be a bad thing for Starmer, a bad thing for the tories but a good thing for Farage who will use his influence to help unpick the labour government at every turn, and ensure policies will be in place for enactment when the tories return to power. I do feel a little sorry for Starmer, he will need to learn quickly, he will have a pack of hyenas snapping at him from both the tories and the hardcore left within his party. Farage is exactly what Parliament needs to shake things up. With a few exceptions the rest of them are a bunch of shallow group thinkers who wouldn’t have the guts to say it even if an original idea wormed its way into their tiny brains. If he manages to get elected he will slowly take the place over." Fully agree. PMQs will be prime time entertainment. | |||
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"Reform have nudged ahead of the Tories - in one poll at least. Once again Farage won the TV debate hands down per viewer polls. What's going on here? We can be confident the Great British public haven't taken a sharp right turn, so what's the driver? Two things, one - Farage can say whatever he likes because he knows he’ll never have to make good on it (like Brexit). Two - the debates don’t allow time to go into detail, which is a massive weakness for Farage. If you notice anytime he is pressed on detail he tries to change the subject or just starts laughing. Yes, Farage is a media pro and can manage a crowd, TV or otherwise. There again, he could well be an MP in a few weeks time with Reform as many seats as the Tories. I’m pretty sure Farage will be an MP, there’s no way he would stand if he thought he’d fail for the right time, the chances of Reform getting more seats than the Tories are slim to none, and slim’s left town. Yes, I think he'll be the Honourable Member for Clacton-on-Sea in the next parliament. A bad thing? Maybe a good thing to have a strong character in opposition to a large majority Labour government? A strong character is only good if they have something of value to add. Well it seems the electorate think he does judging from his enduring popularity. They can't ALL be knuckle dragging racists can they?" No, of course not, some are just not paying attention, have absorbed the anti-immigrant, anti-foreigner, anti-islam rhetoric over the past couple of decades and think this charlatan with no answers, is the answer. | |||
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"Reform have nudged ahead of the Tories - in one poll at least. Once again Farage won the TV debate hands down per viewer polls. What's going on here? We can be confident the Great British public haven't taken a sharp right turn, so what's the driver? Two things, one - Farage can say whatever he likes because he knows he’ll never have to make good on it (like Brexit). Two - the debates don’t allow time to go into detail, which is a massive weakness for Farage. If you notice anytime he is pressed on detail he tries to change the subject or just starts laughing. Yes, Farage is a media pro and can manage a crowd, TV or otherwise. There again, he could well be an MP in a few weeks time with Reform as many seats as the Tories. I’m pretty sure Farage will be an MP, there’s no way he would stand if he thought he’d fail for the right time, the chances of Reform getting more seats than the Tories are slim to none, and slim’s left town. Yes, I think he'll be the Honourable Member for Clacton-on-Sea in the next parliament. A bad thing? Maybe a good thing to have a strong character in opposition to a large majority Labour government? A strong character is only good if they have something of value to add. Well it seems the electorate think he does judging from his enduring popularity. They can't ALL be knuckle dragging racists can they? No, of course not, some are just not paying attention, have absorbed the anti-immigrant, anti-foreigner, anti-islam rhetoric over the past couple of decades and think this charlatan with no answers, is the answer. " Ha! Yes, maybe. He is a bit of a snake oil salesman tbh, but he does strike a populist chord occasionally, and i actually admire that side of him. | |||
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"Reform have nudged ahead of the Tories - in one poll at least. Once again Farage won the TV debate hands down per viewer polls. What's going on here? We can be confident the Great British public haven't taken a sharp right turn, so what's the driver? Two things, one - Farage can say whatever he likes because he knows he’ll never have to make good on it (like Brexit). Two - the debates don’t allow time to go into detail, which is a massive weakness for Farage. If you notice anytime he is pressed on detail he tries to change the subject or just starts laughing. Yes, Farage is a media pro and can manage a crowd, TV or otherwise. There again, he could well be an MP in a few weeks time with Reform as many seats as the Tories. I’m pretty sure Farage will be an MP, there’s no way he would stand if he thought he’d fail for the right time, the chances of Reform getting more seats than the Tories are slim to none, and slim’s left town. Yes, I think he'll be the Honourable Member for Clacton-on-Sea in the next parliament. A bad thing? Maybe a good thing to have a strong character in opposition to a large majority Labour government? A strong character is only good if they have something of value to add. Well it seems the electorate think he does judging from his enduring popularity. They can't ALL be knuckle dragging racists can they? No, of course not, some are just not paying attention, have absorbed the anti-immigrant, anti-foreigner, anti-islam rhetoric over the past couple of decades and think this charlatan with no answers, is the answer. Ha! Yes, maybe. He is a bit of a snake oil salesman tbh, but he does strike a populist chord occasionally, and i actually admire that side of him." Fair enough. He's done enough damage to this country, and created enough division. I hope the people of his constituency see sense and don't vote for more of that. | |||
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"Reform have nudged ahead of the Tories - in one poll at least. Once again Farage won the TV debate hands down per viewer polls. What's going on here? We can be confident the Great British public haven't taken a sharp right turn, so what's the driver? Two things, one - Farage can say whatever he likes because he knows he’ll never have to make good on it (like Brexit). Two - the debates don’t allow time to go into detail, which is a massive weakness for Farage. If you notice anytime he is pressed on detail he tries to change the subject or just starts laughing. Yes, Farage is a media pro and can manage a crowd, TV or otherwise. There again, he could well be an MP in a few weeks time with Reform as many seats as the Tories. I’m pretty sure Farage will be an MP, there’s no way he would stand if he thought he’d fail for the right time, the chances of Reform getting more seats than the Tories are slim to none, and slim’s left town. Yes, I think he'll be the Honourable Member for Clacton-on-Sea in the next parliament. A bad thing? Maybe a good thing to have a strong character in opposition to a large majority Labour government? A strong character is only good if they have something of value to add. Well it seems the electorate think he does judging from his enduring popularity. They can't ALL be knuckle dragging racists can they? No, of course not, some are just not paying attention, have absorbed the anti-immigrant, anti-foreigner, anti-islam rhetoric over the past couple of decades and think this charlatan with no answers, is the answer. " The issue with your view is you are dismissing the fact people feel strongly about what you see as simple noise, it is that brushing under the carpet that will allow the very thing you despise to take power in the country. | |||
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"Reform have nudged ahead of the Tories - in one poll at least. Once again Farage won the TV debate hands down per viewer polls. What's going on here? We can be confident the Great British public haven't taken a sharp right turn, so what's the driver? Two things, one - Farage can say whatever he likes because he knows he’ll never have to make good on it (like Brexit). Two - the debates don’t allow time to go into detail, which is a massive weakness for Farage. If you notice anytime he is pressed on detail he tries to change the subject or just starts laughing. Yes, Farage is a media pro and can manage a crowd, TV or otherwise. There again, he could well be an MP in a few weeks time with Reform as many seats as the Tories. I’m pretty sure Farage will be an MP, there’s no way he would stand if he thought he’d fail for the right time, the chances of Reform getting more seats than the Tories are slim to none, and slim’s left town. Yes, I think he'll be the Honourable Member for Clacton-on-Sea in the next parliament. A bad thing? Maybe a good thing to have a strong character in opposition to a large majority Labour government? A strong character is only good if they have something of value to add. Well it seems the electorate think he does judging from his enduring popularity. They can't ALL be knuckle dragging racists can they? No, of course not, some are just not paying attention, have absorbed the anti-immigrant, anti-foreigner, anti-islam rhetoric over the past couple of decades and think this charlatan with no answers, is the answer. The issue with your view is you are dismissing the fact people feel strongly about what you see as simple noise, it is that brushing under the carpet that will allow the very thing you despise to take power in the country." Can you explain? I asked somewhere else where you defended the claim that the only people to blame of the rise for the much further to the right gaining traction, is the left? | |||
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"Reform having one seat could be a blessing. Bbc etc will have to justify why he gets to gin on QT etc and not the other minor parties. We also get to track his attendance and voting record. In the less populism issues too. " In theory if Labour do clean up politics then his expenses and interests will also be open to scrutiny | |||
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"Reform have nudged ahead of the Tories - in one poll at least. Once again Farage won the TV debate hands down per viewer polls. What's going on here? We can be confident the Great British public haven't taken a sharp right turn, so what's the driver? Two things, one - Farage can say whatever he likes because he knows he’ll never have to make good on it (like Brexit). Two - the debates don’t allow time to go into detail, which is a massive weakness for Farage. If you notice anytime he is pressed on detail he tries to change the subject or just starts laughing. Yes, Farage is a media pro and can manage a crowd, TV or otherwise. There again, he could well be an MP in a few weeks time with Reform as many seats as the Tories. I’m pretty sure Farage will be an MP, there’s no way he would stand if he thought he’d fail for the right time, the chances of Reform getting more seats than the Tories are slim to none, and slim’s left town. Yes, I think he'll be the Honourable Member for Clacton-on-Sea in the next parliament. A bad thing? Maybe a good thing to have a strong character in opposition to a large majority Labour government? A strong character is only good if they have something of value to add. Well it seems the electorate think he does judging from his enduring popularity. They can't ALL be knuckle dragging racists can they? No, of course not, some are just not paying attention, have absorbed the anti-immigrant, anti-foreigner, anti-islam rhetoric over the past couple of decades and think this charlatan with no answers, is the answer. The issue with your view is you are dismissing the fact people feel strongly about what you see as simple noise, it is that brushing under the carpet that will allow the very thing you despise to take power in the country. Can you explain? I asked somewhere else where you defended the claim that the only people to blame of the rise for the much further to the right gaining traction, is the left? " People feel the left are not strong enough, or actually support many of the things they feel strongly about. When they hear someone dismiss their concerns as baiting the racists or it’s red meat for the right as examples, it will naturally drive them towards the likes of Farage as he seems the only person that is taking their concerns seriously. Whatever party takes the leadership of the country, they need to understand and workout how to resolve the issues people are concerned about, and whether you like it or not illegal entry by migrants is right up there, along with health, law and order etc. | |||
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"Reform have nudged ahead of the Tories - in one poll at least. Once again Farage won the TV debate hands down per viewer polls. What's going on here? We can be confident the Great British public haven't taken a sharp right turn, so what's the driver? Two things, one - Farage can say whatever he likes because he knows he’ll never have to make good on it (like Brexit). Two - the debates don’t allow time to go into detail, which is a massive weakness for Farage. If you notice anytime he is pressed on detail he tries to change the subject or just starts laughing. Yes, Farage is a media pro and can manage a crowd, TV or otherwise. There again, he could well be an MP in a few weeks time with Reform as many seats as the Tories. I’m pretty sure Farage will be an MP, there’s no way he would stand if he thought he’d fail for the right time, the chances of Reform getting more seats than the Tories are slim to none, and slim’s left town. Yes, I think he'll be the Honourable Member for Clacton-on-Sea in the next parliament. A bad thing? Maybe a good thing to have a strong character in opposition to a large majority Labour government? It will be a bad thing for Starmer, a bad thing for the tories but a good thing for Farage who will use his influence to help unpick the labour government at every turn, and ensure policies will be in place for enactment when the tories return to power. I do feel a little sorry for Starmer, he will need to learn quickly, he will have a pack of hyenas snapping at him from both the tories and the hardcore left within his party. Farage is exactly what Parliament needs to shake things up. With a few exceptions the rest of them are a bunch of shallow group thinkers who wouldn’t have the guts to say it even if an original idea wormed its way into their tiny brains. If he manages to get elected he will slowly take the place over. Fully agree. PMQs will be prime time entertainment." Why? Farage will only get to ask a question once every few months, like any other MP. | |||
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"Reform have nudged ahead of the Tories - in one poll at least. Once again Farage won the TV debate hands down per viewer polls. What's going on here? We can be confident the Great British public haven't taken a sharp right turn, so what's the driver? Two things, one - Farage can say whatever he likes because he knows he’ll never have to make good on it (like Brexit). Two - the debates don’t allow time to go into detail, which is a massive weakness for Farage. If you notice anytime he is pressed on detail he tries to change the subject or just starts laughing. Yes, Farage is a media pro and can manage a crowd, TV or otherwise. There again, he could well be an MP in a few weeks time with Reform as many seats as the Tories. I’m pretty sure Farage will be an MP, there’s no way he would stand if he thought he’d fail for the right time, the chances of Reform getting more seats than the Tories are slim to none, and slim’s left town. Yes, I think he'll be the Honourable Member for Clacton-on-Sea in the next parliament. A bad thing? Maybe a good thing to have a strong character in opposition to a large majority Labour government? It will be a bad thing for Starmer, a bad thing for the tories but a good thing for Farage who will use his influence to help unpick the labour government at every turn, and ensure policies will be in place for enactment when the tories return to power. I do feel a little sorry for Starmer, he will need to learn quickly, he will have a pack of hyenas snapping at him from both the tories and the hardcore left within his party. Farage is exactly what Parliament needs to shake things up. With a few exceptions the rest of them are a bunch of shallow group thinkers who wouldn’t have the guts to say it even if an original idea wormed its way into their tiny brains. If he manages to get elected he will slowly take the place over. Fully agree. PMQs will be prime time entertainment. Why? Farage will only get to ask a question once every few months, like any other MP." Hmmm with a stage like PMQs? I think he'll grab that opportunity as often as possible. | |||
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"Reform have nudged ahead of the Tories - in one poll at least. Once again Farage won the TV debate hands down per viewer polls. What's going on here? We can be confident the Great British public haven't taken a sharp right turn, so what's the driver? Two things, one - Farage can say whatever he likes because he knows he’ll never have to make good on it (like Brexit). Two - the debates don’t allow time to go into detail, which is a massive weakness for Farage. If you notice anytime he is pressed on detail he tries to change the subject or just starts laughing. Yes, Farage is a media pro and can manage a crowd, TV or otherwise. There again, he could well be an MP in a few weeks time with Reform as many seats as the Tories. I’m pretty sure Farage will be an MP, there’s no way he would stand if he thought he’d fail for the right time, the chances of Reform getting more seats than the Tories are slim to none, and slim’s left town. Yes, I think he'll be the Honourable Member for Clacton-on-Sea in the next parliament. A bad thing? Maybe a good thing to have a strong character in opposition to a large majority Labour government? It will be a bad thing for Starmer, a bad thing for the tories but a good thing for Farage who will use his influence to help unpick the labour government at every turn, and ensure policies will be in place for enactment when the tories return to power. I do feel a little sorry for Starmer, he will need to learn quickly, he will have a pack of hyenas snapping at him from both the tories and the hardcore left within his party. Farage is exactly what Parliament needs to shake things up. With a few exceptions the rest of them are a bunch of shallow group thinkers who wouldn’t have the guts to say it even if an original idea wormed its way into their tiny brains. If he manages to get elected he will slowly take the place over. Fully agree. PMQs will be prime time entertainment. Why? Farage will only get to ask a question once every few months, like any other MP. Hmmm with a stage like PMQs? I think he'll grab that opportunity as often as possible." You don’t just get to stick your hand up and get to ask a question, you have to take your turn, like everyone else. | |||
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"Reform have nudged ahead of the Tories - in one poll at least. Once again Farage won the TV debate hands down per viewer polls. What's going on here? We can be confident the Great British public haven't taken a sharp right turn, so what's the driver? Two things, one - Farage can say whatever he likes because he knows he’ll never have to make good on it (like Brexit). Two - the debates don’t allow time to go into detail, which is a massive weakness for Farage. If you notice anytime he is pressed on detail he tries to change the subject or just starts laughing. Yes, Farage is a media pro and can manage a crowd, TV or otherwise. There again, he could well be an MP in a few weeks time with Reform as many seats as the Tories. I’m pretty sure Farage will be an MP, there’s no way he would stand if he thought he’d fail for the right time, the chances of Reform getting more seats than the Tories are slim to none, and slim’s left town. Yes, I think he'll be the Honourable Member for Clacton-on-Sea in the next parliament. A bad thing? Maybe a good thing to have a strong character in opposition to a large majority Labour government? It will be a bad thing for Starmer, a bad thing for the tories but a good thing for Farage who will use his influence to help unpick the labour government at every turn, and ensure policies will be in place for enactment when the tories return to power. I do feel a little sorry for Starmer, he will need to learn quickly, he will have a pack of hyenas snapping at him from both the tories and the hardcore left within his party. Farage is exactly what Parliament needs to shake things up. With a few exceptions the rest of them are a bunch of shallow group thinkers who wouldn’t have the guts to say it even if an original idea wormed its way into their tiny brains. If he manages to get elected he will slowly take the place over. Fully agree. PMQs will be prime time entertainment. Why? Farage will only get to ask a question once every few months, like any other MP. Hmmm with a stage like PMQs? I think he'll grab that opportunity as often as possible. You don’t just get to stick your hand up and get to ask a question, you have to take your turn, like everyone else." Not the way this will work... He will be talking and negotiating with the new leader of the conservatives and directing some of the things he wants, that will give him a proxy mouthpiece at the box. | |||
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"Reform have nudged ahead of the Tories - in one poll at least. Once again Farage won the TV debate hands down per viewer polls. What's going on here? We can be confident the Great British public haven't taken a sharp right turn, so what's the driver? Two things, one - Farage can say whatever he likes because he knows he’ll never have to make good on it (like Brexit). Two - the debates don’t allow time to go into detail, which is a massive weakness for Farage. If you notice anytime he is pressed on detail he tries to change the subject or just starts laughing. Yes, Farage is a media pro and can manage a crowd, TV or otherwise. There again, he could well be an MP in a few weeks time with Reform as many seats as the Tories. I’m pretty sure Farage will be an MP, there’s no way he would stand if he thought he’d fail for the right time, the chances of Reform getting more seats than the Tories are slim to none, and slim’s left town. Yes, I think he'll be the Honourable Member for Clacton-on-Sea in the next parliament. A bad thing? Maybe a good thing to have a strong character in opposition to a large majority Labour government? It will be a bad thing for Starmer, a bad thing for the tories but a good thing for Farage who will use his influence to help unpick the labour government at every turn, and ensure policies will be in place for enactment when the tories return to power. I do feel a little sorry for Starmer, he will need to learn quickly, he will have a pack of hyenas snapping at him from both the tories and the hardcore left within his party. Farage is exactly what Parliament needs to shake things up. With a few exceptions the rest of them are a bunch of shallow group thinkers who wouldn’t have the guts to say it even if an original idea wormed its way into their tiny brains. If he manages to get elected he will slowly take the place over. Fully agree. PMQs will be prime time entertainment. Why? Farage will only get to ask a question once every few months, like any other MP. Hmmm with a stage like PMQs? I think he'll grab that opportunity as often as possible. You don’t just get to stick your hand up and get to ask a question, you have to take your turn, like everyone else." Yes, I've often wondered about that and how the Speaker decides. I looked it up, and the submitted questions are randomly decided by a computer. | |||
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"Reform have nudged ahead of the Tories - in one poll at least. Once again Farage won the TV debate hands down per viewer polls. What's going on here? We can be confident the Great British public haven't taken a sharp right turn, so what's the driver? Two things, one - Farage can say whatever he likes because he knows he’ll never have to make good on it (like Brexit). Two - the debates don’t allow time to go into detail, which is a massive weakness for Farage. If you notice anytime he is pressed on detail he tries to change the subject or just starts laughing. Yes, Farage is a media pro and can manage a crowd, TV or otherwise. There again, he could well be an MP in a few weeks time with Reform as many seats as the Tories. I’m pretty sure Farage will be an MP, there’s no way he would stand if he thought he’d fail for the right time, the chances of Reform getting more seats than the Tories are slim to none, and slim’s left town. Yes, I think he'll be the Honourable Member for Clacton-on-Sea in the next parliament. A bad thing? Maybe a good thing to have a strong character in opposition to a large majority Labour government? It will be a bad thing for Starmer, a bad thing for the tories but a good thing for Farage who will use his influence to help unpick the labour government at every turn, and ensure policies will be in place for enactment when the tories return to power. I do feel a little sorry for Starmer, he will need to learn quickly, he will have a pack of hyenas snapping at him from both the tories and the hardcore left within his party. Farage is exactly what Parliament needs to shake things up. With a few exceptions the rest of them are a bunch of shallow group thinkers who wouldn’t have the guts to say it even if an original idea wormed its way into their tiny brains. If he manages to get elected he will slowly take the place over. Fully agree. PMQs will be prime time entertainment. Why? Farage will only get to ask a question once every few months, like any other MP. Hmmm with a stage like PMQs? I think he'll grab that opportunity as often as possible. You don’t just get to stick your hand up and get to ask a question, you have to take your turn, like everyone else. Not the way this will work... He will be talking and negotiating with the new leader of the conservatives and directing some of the things he wants, that will give him a proxy mouthpiece at the box." That very much depends on who the leader of the Conservatives is, Braverman will bend over backwards for him but Badenoch and Mordaunt will tell him to do one. | |||
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"Reform have nudged ahead of the Tories - in one poll at least. Once again Farage won the TV debate hands down per viewer polls. What's going on here? We can be confident the Great British public haven't taken a sharp right turn, so what's the driver? Two things, one - Farage can say whatever he likes because he knows he’ll never have to make good on it (like Brexit). Two - the debates don’t allow time to go into detail, which is a massive weakness for Farage. If you notice anytime he is pressed on detail he tries to change the subject or just starts laughing. Yes, Farage is a media pro and can manage a crowd, TV or otherwise. There again, he could well be an MP in a few weeks time with Reform as many seats as the Tories. I’m pretty sure Farage will be an MP, there’s no way he would stand if he thought he’d fail for the right time, the chances of Reform getting more seats than the Tories are slim to none, and slim’s left town. Yes, I think he'll be the Honourable Member for Clacton-on-Sea in the next parliament. A bad thing? Maybe a good thing to have a strong character in opposition to a large majority Labour government? It will be a bad thing for Starmer, a bad thing for the tories but a good thing for Farage who will use his influence to help unpick the labour government at every turn, and ensure policies will be in place for enactment when the tories return to power. I do feel a little sorry for Starmer, he will need to learn quickly, he will have a pack of hyenas snapping at him from both the tories and the hardcore left within his party. Farage is exactly what Parliament needs to shake things up. With a few exceptions the rest of them are a bunch of shallow group thinkers who wouldn’t have the guts to say it even if an original idea wormed its way into their tiny brains. If he manages to get elected he will slowly take the place over. Fully agree. PMQs will be prime time entertainment. Why? Farage will only get to ask a question once every few months, like any other MP. Hmmm with a stage like PMQs? I think he'll grab that opportunity as often as possible. You don’t just get to stick your hand up and get to ask a question, you have to take your turn, like everyone else. Not the way this will work... He will be talking and negotiating with the new leader of the conservatives and directing some of the things he wants, that will give him a proxy mouthpiece at the box. That very much depends on who the leader of the Conservatives is, Braverman will bend over backwards for him but Badenoch and Mordaunt will tell him to do one." I'm not so sure, he is basically Cummings in the spotlight not hovering around in the shadows. | |||
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"Reform have nudged ahead of the Tories - in one poll at least. Once again Farage won the TV debate hands down per viewer polls. What's going on here? We can be confident the Great British public haven't taken a sharp right turn, so what's the driver? Two things, one - Farage can say whatever he likes because he knows he’ll never have to make good on it (like Brexit). Two - the debates don’t allow time to go into detail, which is a massive weakness for Farage. If you notice anytime he is pressed on detail he tries to change the subject or just starts laughing. Yes, Farage is a media pro and can manage a crowd, TV or otherwise. There again, he could well be an MP in a few weeks time with Reform as many seats as the Tories. I’m pretty sure Farage will be an MP, there’s no way he would stand if he thought he’d fail for the right time, the chances of Reform getting more seats than the Tories are slim to none, and slim’s left town. Yes, I think he'll be the Honourable Member for Clacton-on-Sea in the next parliament. A bad thing? Maybe a good thing to have a strong character in opposition to a large majority Labour government? It will be a bad thing for Starmer, a bad thing for the tories but a good thing for Farage who will use his influence to help unpick the labour government at every turn, and ensure policies will be in place for enactment when the tories return to power. I do feel a little sorry for Starmer, he will need to learn quickly, he will have a pack of hyenas snapping at him from both the tories and the hardcore left within his party. Farage is exactly what Parliament needs to shake things up. With a few exceptions the rest of them are a bunch of shallow group thinkers who wouldn’t have the guts to say it even if an original idea wormed its way into their tiny brains. If he manages to get elected he will slowly take the place over. Fully agree. PMQs will be prime time entertainment. Why? Farage will only get to ask a question once every few months, like any other MP. Hmmm with a stage like PMQs? I think he'll grab that opportunity as often as possible. You don’t just get to stick your hand up and get to ask a question, you have to take your turn, like everyone else. Not the way this will work... He will be talking and negotiating with the new leader of the conservatives and directing some of the things he wants, that will give him a proxy mouthpiece at the box. That very much depends on who the leader of the Conservatives is, Braverman will bend over backwards for him but Badenoch and Mordaunt will tell him to do one. I'm not so sure, he is basically Cummings in the spotlight not hovering around in the shadows. " He’s a pound shop Enoch Powell, not Machiavelli. | |||
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"Reform have nudged ahead of the Tories - in one poll at least. Once again Farage won the TV debate hands down per viewer polls. What's going on here? We can be confident the Great British public haven't taken a sharp right turn, so what's the driver? Two things, one - Farage can say whatever he likes because he knows he’ll never have to make good on it (like Brexit). Two - the debates don’t allow time to go into detail, which is a massive weakness for Farage. If you notice anytime he is pressed on detail he tries to change the subject or just starts laughing. Yes, Farage is a media pro and can manage a crowd, TV or otherwise. There again, he could well be an MP in a few weeks time with Reform as many seats as the Tories. I’m pretty sure Farage will be an MP, there’s no way he would stand if he thought he’d fail for the right time, the chances of Reform getting more seats than the Tories are slim to none, and slim’s left town. Yes, I think he'll be the Honourable Member for Clacton-on-Sea in the next parliament. A bad thing? Maybe a good thing to have a strong character in opposition to a large majority Labour government? It will be a bad thing for Starmer, a bad thing for the tories but a good thing for Farage who will use his influence to help unpick the labour government at every turn, and ensure policies will be in place for enactment when the tories return to power. I do feel a little sorry for Starmer, he will need to learn quickly, he will have a pack of hyenas snapping at him from both the tories and the hardcore left within his party. Farage is exactly what Parliament needs to shake things up. With a few exceptions the rest of them are a bunch of shallow group thinkers who wouldn’t have the guts to say it even if an original idea wormed its way into their tiny brains. If he manages to get elected he will slowly take the place over. Fully agree. PMQs will be prime time entertainment. Why? Farage will only get to ask a question once every few months, like any other MP. Hmmm with a stage like PMQs? I think he'll grab that opportunity as often as possible. You don’t just get to stick your hand up and get to ask a question, you have to take your turn, like everyone else. Not the way this will work... He will be talking and negotiating with the new leader of the conservatives and directing some of the things he wants, that will give him a proxy mouthpiece at the box. That very much depends on who the leader of the Conservatives is, Braverman will bend over backwards for him but Badenoch and Mordaunt will tell him to do one. I'm not so sure, he is basically Cummings in the spotlight not hovering around in the shadows. He’s a pound shop Enoch Powell, not Machiavelli." Possibly, but how then do you explain his popularity and dramatic impact on this GE? | |||
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"Reform have nudged ahead of the Tories - in one poll at least. Once again Farage won the TV debate hands down per viewer polls. What's going on here? We can be confident the Great British public haven't taken a sharp right turn, so what's the driver? Two things, one - Farage can say whatever he likes because he knows he’ll never have to make good on it (like Brexit). Two - the debates don’t allow time to go into detail, which is a massive weakness for Farage. If you notice anytime he is pressed on detail he tries to change the subject or just starts laughing. Yes, Farage is a media pro and can manage a crowd, TV or otherwise. There again, he could well be an MP in a few weeks time with Reform as many seats as the Tories. I’m pretty sure Farage will be an MP, there’s no way he would stand if he thought he’d fail for the right time, the chances of Reform getting more seats than the Tories are slim to none, and slim’s left town. Yes, I think he'll be the Honourable Member for Clacton-on-Sea in the next parliament. A bad thing? Maybe a good thing to have a strong character in opposition to a large majority Labour government? A strong character is only good if they have something of value to add. Well it seems the electorate think he does judging from his enduring popularity. They can't ALL be knuckle dragging racists can they? No, of course not, some are just not paying attention, have absorbed the anti-immigrant, anti-foreigner, anti-islam rhetoric over the past couple of decades and think this charlatan with no answers, is the answer. The issue with your view is you are dismissing the fact people feel strongly about what you see as simple noise, it is that brushing under the carpet that will allow the very thing you despise to take power in the country. Can you explain? I asked somewhere else where you defended the claim that the only people to blame of the rise for the much further to the right gaining traction, is the left? People feel the left are not strong enough, or actually support many of the things they feel strongly about. When they hear someone dismiss their concerns as baiting the racists or it’s red meat for the right as examples, it will naturally drive them towards the likes of Farage as he seems the only person that is taking their concerns seriously. Whatever party takes the leadership of the country, they need to understand and workout how to resolve the issues people are concerned about, and whether you like it or not illegal entry by migrants is right up there, along with health, law and order etc." Okay, so it's not your view that it's "only" the left? The right wing represents the interests of those with the £££. Wealthy individuals, and big corporations. They are much better funded, supported by a larger section of the media. So it's easy to see why the left have less to work with to advertise why voting for them would be good. As for the whole immigration thing, if the media, government and other parties were to stop forcing it down everyone's throats, maybe we'd be able to have a much better look at the situation. I don't think this is the fault of the left. Greens are the only national left party in this election. | |||
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"Reform have nudged ahead of the Tories - in one poll at least. Once again Farage won the TV debate hands down per viewer polls. What's going on here? We can be confident the Great British public haven't taken a sharp right turn, so what's the driver? Two things, one - Farage can say whatever he likes because he knows he’ll never have to make good on it (like Brexit). Two - the debates don’t allow time to go into detail, which is a massive weakness for Farage. If you notice anytime he is pressed on detail he tries to change the subject or just starts laughing. Yes, Farage is a media pro and can manage a crowd, TV or otherwise. There again, he could well be an MP in a few weeks time with Reform as many seats as the Tories. I’m pretty sure Farage will be an MP, there’s no way he would stand if he thought he’d fail for the right time, the chances of Reform getting more seats than the Tories are slim to none, and slim’s left town. Yes, I think he'll be the Honourable Member for Clacton-on-Sea in the next parliament. A bad thing? Maybe a good thing to have a strong character in opposition to a large majority Labour government? It will be a bad thing for Starmer, a bad thing for the tories but a good thing for Farage who will use his influence to help unpick the labour government at every turn, and ensure policies will be in place for enactment when the tories return to power. I do feel a little sorry for Starmer, he will need to learn quickly, he will have a pack of hyenas snapping at him from both the tories and the hardcore left within his party. Farage is exactly what Parliament needs to shake things up. With a few exceptions the rest of them are a bunch of shallow group thinkers who wouldn’t have the guts to say it even if an original idea wormed its way into their tiny brains. If he manages to get elected he will slowly take the place over. Fully agree. PMQs will be prime time entertainment. Why? Farage will only get to ask a question once every few months, like any other MP. Hmmm with a stage like PMQs? I think he'll grab that opportunity as often as possible. You don’t just get to stick your hand up and get to ask a question, you have to take your turn, like everyone else. Not the way this will work... He will be talking and negotiating with the new leader of the conservatives and directing some of the things he wants, that will give him a proxy mouthpiece at the box. That very much depends on who the leader of the Conservatives is, Braverman will bend over backwards for him but Badenoch and Mordaunt will tell him to do one. I'm not so sure, he is basically Cummings in the spotlight not hovering around in the shadows. He’s a pound shop Enoch Powell, not Machiavelli." You are underestimating is political persuasion, which a lot of people do because of their dislike of him. He brought about Brexit, he influences people in power and now sits in a dominant position holding court with the new opposition. It would not surprise me in the least if he his working with Cummings in the background on the future strategy. | |||
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"Reform have nudged ahead of the Tories - in one poll at least. Once again Farage won the TV debate hands down per viewer polls. What's going on here? We can be confident the Great British public haven't taken a sharp right turn, so what's the driver? Two things, one - Farage can say whatever he likes because he knows he’ll never have to make good on it (like Brexit). Two - the debates don’t allow time to go into detail, which is a massive weakness for Farage. If you notice anytime he is pressed on detail he tries to change the subject or just starts laughing. Yes, Farage is a media pro and can manage a crowd, TV or otherwise. There again, he could well be an MP in a few weeks time with Reform as many seats as the Tories. I’m pretty sure Farage will be an MP, there’s no way he would stand if he thought he’d fail for the right time, the chances of Reform getting more seats than the Tories are slim to none, and slim’s left town. Yes, I think he'll be the Honourable Member for Clacton-on-Sea in the next parliament. A bad thing? Maybe a good thing to have a strong character in opposition to a large majority Labour government? It will be a bad thing for Starmer, a bad thing for the tories but a good thing for Farage who will use his influence to help unpick the labour government at every turn, and ensure policies will be in place for enactment when the tories return to power. I do feel a little sorry for Starmer, he will need to learn quickly, he will have a pack of hyenas snapping at him from both the tories and the hardcore left within his party. Farage is exactly what Parliament needs to shake things up. With a few exceptions the rest of them are a bunch of shallow group thinkers who wouldn’t have the guts to say it even if an original idea wormed its way into their tiny brains. If he manages to get elected he will slowly take the place over. Fully agree. PMQs will be prime time entertainment. Why? Farage will only get to ask a question once every few months, like any other MP. Hmmm with a stage like PMQs? I think he'll grab that opportunity as often as possible. You don’t just get to stick your hand up and get to ask a question, you have to take your turn, like everyone else. Not the way this will work... He will be talking and negotiating with the new leader of the conservatives and directing some of the things he wants, that will give him a proxy mouthpiece at the box. That very much depends on who the leader of the Conservatives is, Braverman will bend over backwards for him but Badenoch and Mordaunt will tell him to do one. I'm not so sure, he is basically Cummings in the spotlight not hovering around in the shadows. He’s a pound shop Enoch Powell, not Machiavelli. Possibly, but how then do you explain his popularity and dramatic impact on this GE?" He’s a rabble rouser, rabble rousing isn’t hard. Let’s see if it transfers to more than three seats. Three seats is not a ‘dramatic impact’. | |||
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"Reform have nudged ahead of the Tories - in one poll at least. Once again Farage won the TV debate hands down per viewer polls. What's going on here? We can be confident the Great British public haven't taken a sharp right turn, so what's the driver? Two things, one - Farage can say whatever he likes because he knows he’ll never have to make good on it (like Brexit). Two - the debates don’t allow time to go into detail, which is a massive weakness for Farage. If you notice anytime he is pressed on detail he tries to change the subject or just starts laughing. Yes, Farage is a media pro and can manage a crowd, TV or otherwise. There again, he could well be an MP in a few weeks time with Reform as many seats as the Tories. I’m pretty sure Farage will be an MP, there’s no way he would stand if he thought he’d fail for the right time, the chances of Reform getting more seats than the Tories are slim to none, and slim’s left town. Yes, I think he'll be the Honourable Member for Clacton-on-Sea in the next parliament. A bad thing? Maybe a good thing to have a strong character in opposition to a large majority Labour government? It will be a bad thing for Starmer, a bad thing for the tories but a good thing for Farage who will use his influence to help unpick the labour government at every turn, and ensure policies will be in place for enactment when the tories return to power. I do feel a little sorry for Starmer, he will need to learn quickly, he will have a pack of hyenas snapping at him from both the tories and the hardcore left within his party. Farage is exactly what Parliament needs to shake things up. With a few exceptions the rest of them are a bunch of shallow group thinkers who wouldn’t have the guts to say it even if an original idea wormed its way into their tiny brains. If he manages to get elected he will slowly take the place over. Fully agree. PMQs will be prime time entertainment. Why? Farage will only get to ask a question once every few months, like any other MP. Hmmm with a stage like PMQs? I think he'll grab that opportunity as often as possible. You don’t just get to stick your hand up and get to ask a question, you have to take your turn, like everyone else. Not the way this will work... He will be talking and negotiating with the new leader of the conservatives and directing some of the things he wants, that will give him a proxy mouthpiece at the box. That very much depends on who the leader of the Conservatives is, Braverman will bend over backwards for him but Badenoch and Mordaunt will tell him to do one. I'm not so sure, he is basically Cummings in the spotlight not hovering around in the shadows. He’s a pound shop Enoch Powell, not Machiavelli. You are underestimating is political persuasion, which a lot of people do because of their dislike of him. He brought about Brexit, he influences people in power and now sits in a dominant position holding court with the new opposition. It would not surprise me in the least if he his working with Cummings in the background on the future strategy." Cool story bro but I don’t think the Fantasy Island reboot is still going. | |||
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"Reform have nudged ahead of the Tories - in one poll at least. Once again Farage won the TV debate hands down per viewer polls. What's going on here? We can be confident the Great British public haven't taken a sharp right turn, so what's the driver? Two things, one - Farage can say whatever he likes because he knows he’ll never have to make good on it (like Brexit). Two - the debates don’t allow time to go into detail, which is a massive weakness for Farage. If you notice anytime he is pressed on detail he tries to change the subject or just starts laughing. Yes, Farage is a media pro and can manage a crowd, TV or otherwise. There again, he could well be an MP in a few weeks time with Reform as many seats as the Tories. I’m pretty sure Farage will be an MP, there’s no way he would stand if he thought he’d fail for the right time, the chances of Reform getting more seats than the Tories are slim to none, and slim’s left town. Yes, I think he'll be the Honourable Member for Clacton-on-Sea in the next parliament. A bad thing? Maybe a good thing to have a strong character in opposition to a large majority Labour government? It will be a bad thing for Starmer, a bad thing for the tories but a good thing for Farage who will use his influence to help unpick the labour government at every turn, and ensure policies will be in place for enactment when the tories return to power. I do feel a little sorry for Starmer, he will need to learn quickly, he will have a pack of hyenas snapping at him from both the tories and the hardcore left within his party. Farage is exactly what Parliament needs to shake things up. With a few exceptions the rest of them are a bunch of shallow group thinkers who wouldn’t have the guts to say it even if an original idea wormed its way into their tiny brains. If he manages to get elected he will slowly take the place over. Fully agree. PMQs will be prime time entertainment. Why? Farage will only get to ask a question once every few months, like any other MP. Hmmm with a stage like PMQs? I think he'll grab that opportunity as often as possible. You don’t just get to stick your hand up and get to ask a question, you have to take your turn, like everyone else. Not the way this will work... He will be talking and negotiating with the new leader of the conservatives and directing some of the things he wants, that will give him a proxy mouthpiece at the box. That very much depends on who the leader of the Conservatives is, Braverman will bend over backwards for him but Badenoch and Mordaunt will tell him to do one. I'm not so sure, he is basically Cummings in the spotlight not hovering around in the shadows. He’s a pound shop Enoch Powell, not Machiavelli. Possibly, but how then do you explain his popularity and dramatic impact on this GE? He’s a rabble rouser, rabble rousing isn’t hard. Let’s see if it transfers to more than three seats. Three seats is not a ‘dramatic impact’." We're now at '3 seats', a couple of weeks back it was 'no seats'. You're still dismissing the 'influence' he holds, even if only he gets a seat, his influence will be way more than you expect. | |||
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"Reform have nudged ahead of the Tories - in one poll at least. Once again Farage won the TV debate hands down per viewer polls. What's going on here? We can be confident the Great British public haven't taken a sharp right turn, so what's the driver? Two things, one - Farage can say whatever he likes because he knows he’ll never have to make good on it (like Brexit). Two - the debates don’t allow time to go into detail, which is a massive weakness for Farage. If you notice anytime he is pressed on detail he tries to change the subject or just starts laughing. Yes, Farage is a media pro and can manage a crowd, TV or otherwise. There again, he could well be an MP in a few weeks time with Reform as many seats as the Tories. I’m pretty sure Farage will be an MP, there’s no way he would stand if he thought he’d fail for the right time, the chances of Reform getting more seats than the Tories are slim to none, and slim’s left town. Yes, I think he'll be the Honourable Member for Clacton-on-Sea in the next parliament. A bad thing? Maybe a good thing to have a strong character in opposition to a large majority Labour government? A strong character is only good if they have something of value to add. Well it seems the electorate think he does judging from his enduring popularity. They can't ALL be knuckle dragging racists can they? No, of course not, some are just not paying attention, have absorbed the anti-immigrant, anti-foreigner, anti-islam rhetoric over the past couple of decades and think this charlatan with no answers, is the answer. The issue with your view is you are dismissing the fact people feel strongly about what you see as simple noise, it is that brushing under the carpet that will allow the very thing you despise to take power in the country. Can you explain? I asked somewhere else where you defended the claim that the only people to blame of the rise for the much further to the right gaining traction, is the left? People feel the left are not strong enough, or actually support many of the things they feel strongly about. When they hear someone dismiss their concerns as baiting the racists or it’s red meat for the right as examples, it will naturally drive them towards the likes of Farage as he seems the only person that is taking their concerns seriously. Whatever party takes the leadership of the country, they need to understand and workout how to resolve the issues people are concerned about, and whether you like it or not illegal entry by migrants is right up there, along with health, law and order etc. Okay, so it's not your view that it's "only" the left? The right wing represents the interests of those with the £££. Wealthy individuals, and big corporations. They are much better funded, supported by a larger section of the media. So it's easy to see why the left have less to work with to advertise why voting for them would be good. As for the whole immigration thing, if the media, government and other parties were to stop forcing it down everyone's throats, maybe we'd be able to have a much better look at the situation. I don't think this is the fault of the left. Greens are the only national left party in this election. " People don't need anyone to 'force it down their throats'. Go for a walk and you'll see it. Stop Burying your head. | |||
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"Reform have nudged ahead of the Tories - in one poll at least. Once again Farage won the TV debate hands down per viewer polls. What's going on here? We can be confident the Great British public haven't taken a sharp right turn, so what's the driver? Two things, one - Farage can say whatever he likes because he knows he’ll never have to make good on it (like Brexit). Two - the debates don’t allow time to go into detail, which is a massive weakness for Farage. If you notice anytime he is pressed on detail he tries to change the subject or just starts laughing. Yes, Farage is a media pro and can manage a crowd, TV or otherwise. There again, he could well be an MP in a few weeks time with Reform as many seats as the Tories. I’m pretty sure Farage will be an MP, there’s no way he would stand if he thought he’d fail for the right time, the chances of Reform getting more seats than the Tories are slim to none, and slim’s left town. Yes, I think he'll be the Honourable Member for Clacton-on-Sea in the next parliament. A bad thing? Maybe a good thing to have a strong character in opposition to a large majority Labour government? It will be a bad thing for Starmer, a bad thing for the tories but a good thing for Farage who will use his influence to help unpick the labour government at every turn, and ensure policies will be in place for enactment when the tories return to power. I do feel a little sorry for Starmer, he will need to learn quickly, he will have a pack of hyenas snapping at him from both the tories and the hardcore left within his party. Farage is exactly what Parliament needs to shake things up. With a few exceptions the rest of them are a bunch of shallow group thinkers who wouldn’t have the guts to say it even if an original idea wormed its way into their tiny brains. If he manages to get elected he will slowly take the place over. Fully agree. PMQs will be prime time entertainment. Why? Farage will only get to ask a question once every few months, like any other MP. Hmmm with a stage like PMQs? I think he'll grab that opportunity as often as possible. You don’t just get to stick your hand up and get to ask a question, you have to take your turn, like everyone else. Not the way this will work... He will be talking and negotiating with the new leader of the conservatives and directing some of the things he wants, that will give him a proxy mouthpiece at the box. That very much depends on who the leader of the Conservatives is, Braverman will bend over backwards for him but Badenoch and Mordaunt will tell him to do one. I'm not so sure, he is basically Cummings in the spotlight not hovering around in the shadows. He’s a pound shop Enoch Powell, not Machiavelli. You are underestimating is political persuasion, which a lot of people do because of their dislike of him. He brought about Brexit, he influences people in power and now sits in a dominant position holding court with the new opposition. It would not surprise me in the least if he his working with Cummings in the background on the future strategy. Cool story bro but I don’t think the Fantasy Island reboot is still going." And this is how he slides in, right under your very nose, he has cracked it by the sounds of things | |||
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"Reform have nudged ahead of the Tories - in one poll at least. Once again Farage won the TV debate hands down per viewer polls. What's going on here? We can be confident the Great British public haven't taken a sharp right turn, so what's the driver? Two things, one - Farage can say whatever he likes because he knows he’ll never have to make good on it (like Brexit). Two - the debates don’t allow time to go into detail, which is a massive weakness for Farage. If you notice anytime he is pressed on detail he tries to change the subject or just starts laughing. Yes, Farage is a media pro and can manage a crowd, TV or otherwise. There again, he could well be an MP in a few weeks time with Reform as many seats as the Tories. I’m pretty sure Farage will be an MP, there’s no way he would stand if he thought he’d fail for the right time, the chances of Reform getting more seats than the Tories are slim to none, and slim’s left town. Yes, I think he'll be the Honourable Member for Clacton-on-Sea in the next parliament. A bad thing? Maybe a good thing to have a strong character in opposition to a large majority Labour government? A strong character is only good if they have something of value to add. Well it seems the electorate think he does judging from his enduring popularity. They can't ALL be knuckle dragging racists can they? No, of course not, some are just not paying attention, have absorbed the anti-immigrant, anti-foreigner, anti-islam rhetoric over the past couple of decades and think this charlatan with no answers, is the answer. The issue with your view is you are dismissing the fact people feel strongly about what you see as simple noise, it is that brushing under the carpet that will allow the very thing you despise to take power in the country. Can you explain? I asked somewhere else where you defended the claim that the only people to blame of the rise for the much further to the right gaining traction, is the left? People feel the left are not strong enough, or actually support many of the things they feel strongly about. When they hear someone dismiss their concerns as baiting the racists or it’s red meat for the right as examples, it will naturally drive them towards the likes of Farage as he seems the only person that is taking their concerns seriously. Whatever party takes the leadership of the country, they need to understand and workout how to resolve the issues people are concerned about, and whether you like it or not illegal entry by migrants is right up there, along with health, law and order etc. Okay, so it's not your view that it's "only" the left? The right wing represents the interests of those with the £££. Wealthy individuals, and big corporations. They are much better funded, supported by a larger section of the media. So it's easy to see why the left have less to work with to advertise why voting for them would be good. As for the whole immigration thing, if the media, government and other parties were to stop forcing it down everyone's throats, maybe we'd be able to have a much better look at the situation. I don't think this is the fault of the left. Greens are the only national left party in this election. People don't need anyone to 'force it down their throats'. Go for a walk and you'll see it. Stop Burying your head." yes and no. On the debate garage linked NHS saying lists increasing by 40 plus per cent to immigration quoting 6m extra people. Now, that's 10pc of UK population. So only explains part. And that assumes that those coming in use the NHS as much as the average Brit. I'd guess probably not given how age dependant use it. It also ignores how much waiting lists are kept down to.just 40pc increase because of immigration. It's a part. For sure. But the issue is so much more. Yet immigration gets way more of the air time than everything else. (I am assuming here that by walk around and seeing it relates to state of out infrastructure and our standard of living, rather than look at the people's skin as it could have been read! I know that's not you, but it could be miss interpreted) | |||
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"Reform have nudged ahead of the Tories - in one poll at least. Once again Farage won the TV debate hands down per viewer polls. What's going on here? We can be confident the Great British public haven't taken a sharp right turn, so what's the driver? Two things, one - Farage can say whatever he likes because he knows he’ll never have to make good on it (like Brexit). Two - the debates don’t allow time to go into detail, which is a massive weakness for Farage. If you notice anytime he is pressed on detail he tries to change the subject or just starts laughing. Yes, Farage is a media pro and can manage a crowd, TV or otherwise. There again, he could well be an MP in a few weeks time with Reform as many seats as the Tories. I’m pretty sure Farage will be an MP, there’s no way he would stand if he thought he’d fail for the right time, the chances of Reform getting more seats than the Tories are slim to none, and slim’s left town. Yes, I think he'll be the Honourable Member for Clacton-on-Sea in the next parliament. A bad thing? Maybe a good thing to have a strong character in opposition to a large majority Labour government? A strong character is only good if they have something of value to add. Well it seems the electorate think he does judging from his enduring popularity. They can't ALL be knuckle dragging racists can they? No, of course not, some are just not paying attention, have absorbed the anti-immigrant, anti-foreigner, anti-islam rhetoric over the past couple of decades and think this charlatan with no answers, is the answer. The issue with your view is you are dismissing the fact people feel strongly about what you see as simple noise, it is that brushing under the carpet that will allow the very thing you despise to take power in the country. Can you explain? I asked somewhere else where you defended the claim that the only people to blame of the rise for the much further to the right gaining traction, is the left? People feel the left are not strong enough, or actually support many of the things they feel strongly about. When they hear someone dismiss their concerns as baiting the racists or it’s red meat for the right as examples, it will naturally drive them towards the likes of Farage as he seems the only person that is taking their concerns seriously. Whatever party takes the leadership of the country, they need to understand and workout how to resolve the issues people are concerned about, and whether you like it or not illegal entry by migrants is right up there, along with health, law and order etc. Okay, so it's not your view that it's "only" the left? The right wing represents the interests of those with the £££. Wealthy individuals, and big corporations. They are much better funded, supported by a larger section of the media. So it's easy to see why the left have less to work with to advertise why voting for them would be good. As for the whole immigration thing, if the media, government and other parties were to stop forcing it down everyone's throats, maybe we'd be able to have a much better look at the situation. I don't think this is the fault of the left. Greens are the only national left party in this election. People don't need anyone to 'force it down their throats'. Go for a walk and you'll see it. Stop Burying your head.yes and no. On the debate garage linked NHS saying lists increasing by 40 plus per cent to immigration quoting 6m extra people. Now, that's 10pc of UK population. So only explains part. And that assumes that those coming in use the NHS as much as the average Brit. I'd guess probably not given how age dependant use it. It also ignores how much waiting lists are kept down to.just 40pc increase because of immigration. It's a part. For sure. But the issue is so much more. Yet immigration gets way more of the air time than everything else. (I am assuming here that by walk around and seeing it relates to state of out infrastructure and our standard of living, rather than look at the people's skin as it could have been read! I know that's not you, but it could be miss interpreted) " It is illegal entry that is the real issue, controlled immigration not so much. It would be beneficial to all if politicians and political reporters refrained from grouping them together, it causes a lot of confusion and I think it lends itself to the mistrust that peoples concernsnot are being listened to. | |||
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"Reform have nudged ahead of the Tories - in one poll at least. Once again Farage won the TV debate hands down per viewer polls. What's going on here? We can be confident the Great British public haven't taken a sharp right turn, so what's the driver? Two things, one - Farage can say whatever he likes because he knows he’ll never have to make good on it (like Brexit). Two - the debates don’t allow time to go into detail, which is a massive weakness for Farage. If you notice anytime he is pressed on detail he tries to change the subject or just starts laughing. Yes, Farage is a media pro and can manage a crowd, TV or otherwise. There again, he could well be an MP in a few weeks time with Reform as many seats as the Tories. I’m pretty sure Farage will be an MP, there’s no way he would stand if he thought he’d fail for the right time, the chances of Reform getting more seats than the Tories are slim to none, and slim’s left town. Yes, I think he'll be the Honourable Member for Clacton-on-Sea in the next parliament. A bad thing? Maybe a good thing to have a strong character in opposition to a large majority Labour government? A strong character is only good if they have something of value to add. Well it seems the electorate think he does judging from his enduring popularity. They can't ALL be knuckle dragging racists can they? No, of course not, some are just not paying attention, have absorbed the anti-immigrant, anti-foreigner, anti-islam rhetoric over the past couple of decades and think this charlatan with no answers, is the answer. The issue with your view is you are dismissing the fact people feel strongly about what you see as simple noise, it is that brushing under the carpet that will allow the very thing you despise to take power in the country. Can you explain? I asked somewhere else where you defended the claim that the only people to blame of the rise for the much further to the right gaining traction, is the left? People feel the left are not strong enough, or actually support many of the things they feel strongly about. When they hear someone dismiss their concerns as baiting the racists or it’s red meat for the right as examples, it will naturally drive them towards the likes of Farage as he seems the only person that is taking their concerns seriously. Whatever party takes the leadership of the country, they need to understand and workout how to resolve the issues people are concerned about, and whether you like it or not illegal entry by migrants is right up there, along with health, law and order etc. Okay, so it's not your view that it's "only" the left? The right wing represents the interests of those with the £££. Wealthy individuals, and big corporations. They are much better funded, supported by a larger section of the media. So it's easy to see why the left have less to work with to advertise why voting for them would be good. As for the whole immigration thing, if the media, government and other parties were to stop forcing it down everyone's throats, maybe we'd be able to have a much better look at the situation. I don't think this is the fault of the left. Greens are the only national left party in this election. People don't need anyone to 'force it down their throats'. Go for a walk and you'll see it. Stop Burying your head.yes and no. On the debate garage linked NHS saying lists increasing by 40 plus per cent to immigration quoting 6m extra people. Now, that's 10pc of UK population. So only explains part. And that assumes that those coming in use the NHS as much as the average Brit. I'd guess probably not given how age dependant use it. It also ignores how much waiting lists are kept down to.just 40pc increase because of immigration. It's a part. For sure. But the issue is so much more. Yet immigration gets way more of the air time than everything else. (I am assuming here that by walk around and seeing it relates to state of out infrastructure and our standard of living, rather than look at the people's skin as it could have been read! I know that's not you, but it could be miss interpreted) It is illegal entry that is the real issue, controlled immigration not so much. It would be beneficial to all if politicians and political reporters refrained from grouping them together, it causes a lot of confusion and I think it lends itself to the mistrust that peoples concernsnot are being listened to. " Agree. But it serves a much better purpose to lump everyone in together. | |||
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"Reform have nudged ahead of the Tories - in one poll at least. Once again Farage won the TV debate hands down per viewer polls. What's going on here? We can be confident the Great British public haven't taken a sharp right turn, so what's the driver? Two things, one - Farage can say whatever he likes because he knows he’ll never have to make good on it (like Brexit). Two - the debates don’t allow time to go into detail, which is a massive weakness for Farage. If you notice anytime he is pressed on detail he tries to change the subject or just starts laughing. Yes, Farage is a media pro and can manage a crowd, TV or otherwise. There again, he could well be an MP in a few weeks time with Reform as many seats as the Tories. I’m pretty sure Farage will be an MP, there’s no way he would stand if he thought he’d fail for the right time, the chances of Reform getting more seats than the Tories are slim to none, and slim’s left town. Yes, I think he'll be the Honourable Member for Clacton-on-Sea in the next parliament. A bad thing? Maybe a good thing to have a strong character in opposition to a large majority Labour government? A strong character is only good if they have something of value to add. Well it seems the electorate think he does judging from his enduring popularity. They can't ALL be knuckle dragging racists can they? No, of course not, some are just not paying attention, have absorbed the anti-immigrant, anti-foreigner, anti-islam rhetoric over the past couple of decades and think this charlatan with no answers, is the answer. The issue with your view is you are dismissing the fact people feel strongly about what you see as simple noise, it is that brushing under the carpet that will allow the very thing you despise to take power in the country. Can you explain? I asked somewhere else where you defended the claim that the only people to blame of the rise for the much further to the right gaining traction, is the left? People feel the left are not strong enough, or actually support many of the things they feel strongly about. When they hear someone dismiss their concerns as baiting the racists or it’s red meat for the right as examples, it will naturally drive them towards the likes of Farage as he seems the only person that is taking their concerns seriously. Whatever party takes the leadership of the country, they need to understand and workout how to resolve the issues people are concerned about, and whether you like it or not illegal entry by migrants is right up there, along with health, law and order etc. Okay, so it's not your view that it's "only" the left? The right wing represents the interests of those with the £££. Wealthy individuals, and big corporations. They are much better funded, supported by a larger section of the media. So it's easy to see why the left have less to work with to advertise why voting for them would be good. As for the whole immigration thing, if the media, government and other parties were to stop forcing it down everyone's throats, maybe we'd be able to have a much better look at the situation. I don't think this is the fault of the left. Greens are the only national left party in this election. People don't need anyone to 'force it down their throats'. Go for a walk and you'll see it. Stop Burying your head.yes and no. On the debate garage linked NHS saying lists increasing by 40 plus per cent to immigration quoting 6m extra people. Now, that's 10pc of UK population. So only explains part. And that assumes that those coming in use the NHS as much as the average Brit. I'd guess probably not given how age dependant use it. It also ignores how much waiting lists are kept down to.just 40pc increase because of immigration. It's a part. For sure. But the issue is so much more. Yet immigration gets way more of the air time than everything else. (I am assuming here that by walk around and seeing it relates to state of out infrastructure and our standard of living, rather than look at the people's skin as it could have been read! I know that's not you, but it could be miss interpreted) It is illegal entry that is the real issue, controlled immigration not so much. It would be beneficial to all if politicians and political reporters refrained from grouping them together, it causes a lot of confusion and I think it lends itself to the mistrust that peoples concernsnot are being listened to. " Yes, and looking at this two categories further. Illegal crossings, like anything illegal, needs to be stopped. But year after year it isn't. As for legal immigration, we need to ask ourselves why it's necessary to have so much reliance on cheap labour. Why won't Brits work? What is the disincentive? | |||
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"Reform have nudged ahead of the Tories - in one poll at least. Once again Farage won the TV debate hands down per viewer polls. What's going on here? We can be confident the Great British public haven't taken a sharp right turn, so what's the driver? Two things, one - Farage can say whatever he likes because he knows he’ll never have to make good on it (like Brexit). Two - the debates don’t allow time to go into detail, which is a massive weakness for Farage. If you notice anytime he is pressed on detail he tries to change the subject or just starts laughing. Yes, Farage is a media pro and can manage a crowd, TV or otherwise. There again, he could well be an MP in a few weeks time with Reform as many seats as the Tories. I’m pretty sure Farage will be an MP, there’s no way he would stand if he thought he’d fail for the right time, the chances of Reform getting more seats than the Tories are slim to none, and slim’s left town. Yes, I think he'll be the Honourable Member for Clacton-on-Sea in the next parliament. A bad thing? Maybe a good thing to have a strong character in opposition to a large majority Labour government? A strong character is only good if they have something of value to add. Well it seems the electorate think he does judging from his enduring popularity. They can't ALL be knuckle dragging racists can they? No, of course not, some are just not paying attention, have absorbed the anti-immigrant, anti-foreigner, anti-islam rhetoric over the past couple of decades and think this charlatan with no answers, is the answer. The issue with your view is you are dismissing the fact people feel strongly about what you see as simple noise, it is that brushing under the carpet that will allow the very thing you despise to take power in the country. Can you explain? I asked somewhere else where you defended the claim that the only people to blame of the rise for the much further to the right gaining traction, is the left? People feel the left are not strong enough, or actually support many of the things they feel strongly about. When they hear someone dismiss their concerns as baiting the racists or it’s red meat for the right as examples, it will naturally drive them towards the likes of Farage as he seems the only person that is taking their concerns seriously. Whatever party takes the leadership of the country, they need to understand and workout how to resolve the issues people are concerned about, and whether you like it or not illegal entry by migrants is right up there, along with health, law and order etc. Okay, so it's not your view that it's "only" the left? The right wing represents the interests of those with the £££. Wealthy individuals, and big corporations. They are much better funded, supported by a larger section of the media. So it's easy to see why the left have less to work with to advertise why voting for them would be good. As for the whole immigration thing, if the media, government and other parties were to stop forcing it down everyone's throats, maybe we'd be able to have a much better look at the situation. I don't think this is the fault of the left. Greens are the only national left party in this election. " I don’t think it is forced down our throats tho there can’t even be a sensible conversation about immigration if anyone mentions the amount of young men the economic migration the fact they don’t keep lists of there criminal records and why are they fleeing France a stable country the the racist card pops up we should not be scared to talk about it it’s a huge issue which effects lots of ppl in the U.K. | |||
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"Reform have nudged ahead of the Tories - in one poll at least. Once again Farage won the TV debate hands down per viewer polls. What's going on here? We can be confident the Great British public haven't taken a sharp right turn, so what's the driver? Two things, one - Farage can say whatever he likes because he knows he’ll never have to make good on it (like Brexit). Two - the debates don’t allow time to go into detail, which is a massive weakness for Farage. If you notice anytime he is pressed on detail he tries to change the subject or just starts laughing. Yes, Farage is a media pro and can manage a crowd, TV or otherwise. There again, he could well be an MP in a few weeks time with Reform as many seats as the Tories. I’m pretty sure Farage will be an MP, there’s no way he would stand if he thought he’d fail for the right time, the chances of Reform getting more seats than the Tories are slim to none, and slim’s left town. Yes, I think he'll be the Honourable Member for Clacton-on-Sea in the next parliament. A bad thing? Maybe a good thing to have a strong character in opposition to a large majority Labour government? It will be a bad thing for Starmer, a bad thing for the tories but a good thing for Farage who will use his influence to help unpick the labour government at every turn, and ensure policies will be in place for enactment when the tories return to power. I do feel a little sorry for Starmer, he will need to learn quickly, he will have a pack of hyenas snapping at him from both the tories and the hardcore left within his party. Farage is exactly what Parliament needs to shake things up. With a few exceptions the rest of them are a bunch of shallow group thinkers who wouldn’t have the guts to say it even if an original idea wormed its way into their tiny brains. If he manages to get elected he will slowly take the place over. Fully agree. PMQs will be prime time entertainment. Why? Farage will only get to ask a question once every few months, like any other MP. Hmmm with a stage like PMQs? I think he'll grab that opportunity as often as possible. You don’t just get to stick your hand up and get to ask a question, you have to take your turn, like everyone else. Not the way this will work... He will be talking and negotiating with the new leader of the conservatives and directing some of the things he wants, that will give him a proxy mouthpiece at the box. That very much depends on who the leader of the Conservatives is, Braverman will bend over backwards for him but Badenoch and Mordaunt will tell him to do one. I'm not so sure, he is basically Cummings in the spotlight not hovering around in the shadows. He’s a pound shop Enoch Powell, not Machiavelli. You are underestimating is political persuasion, which a lot of people do because of their dislike of him. He brought about Brexit, he influences people in power and now sits in a dominant position holding court with the new opposition. It would not surprise me in the least if he his working with Cummings in the background on the future strategy. Cool story bro but I don’t think the Fantasy Island reboot is still going. And this is how he slides in, right under your very nose, he has cracked it by the sounds of things "Not at all, the way you limit Farage is by asking him questions and holding him to account, this will be much easier when he’s an MP. He’s not comfortable when he’s not allowed to keep trotting out his hackneyed old lines, and as soon as people start doing that he’ll be shown up for what he is. Farage undoubtedly has influence on the Brexit inclined voters who tend to be older, on the under 25s not so much, only 5% of them plan to vote Reform. | |||
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"Why won't Brits work? What is the disincentive? " Low wages, the cost of living, and a significant amount who are unfit to work. | |||
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"Reform have nudged ahead of the Tories - in one poll at least. Once again Farage won the TV debate hands down per viewer polls. What's going on here? We can be confident the Great British public haven't taken a sharp right turn, so what's the driver? Two things, one - Farage can say whatever he likes because he knows he’ll never have to make good on it (like Brexit). Two - the debates don’t allow time to go into detail, which is a massive weakness for Farage. If you notice anytime he is pressed on detail he tries to change the subject or just starts laughing. Yes, Farage is a media pro and can manage a crowd, TV or otherwise. There again, he could well be an MP in a few weeks time with Reform as many seats as the Tories. I’m pretty sure Farage will be an MP, there’s no way he would stand if he thought he’d fail for the right time, the chances of Reform getting more seats than the Tories are slim to none, and slim’s left town. Yes, I think he'll be the Honourable Member for Clacton-on-Sea in the next parliament. A bad thing? Maybe a good thing to have a strong character in opposition to a large majority Labour government? A strong character is only good if they have something of value to add. Well it seems the electorate think he does judging from his enduring popularity. They can't ALL be knuckle dragging racists can they? No, of course not, some are just not paying attention, have absorbed the anti-immigrant, anti-foreigner, anti-islam rhetoric over the past couple of decades and think this charlatan with no answers, is the answer. The issue with your view is you are dismissing the fact people feel strongly about what you see as simple noise, it is that brushing under the carpet that will allow the very thing you despise to take power in the country. Can you explain? I asked somewhere else where you defended the claim that the only people to blame of the rise for the much further to the right gaining traction, is the left? People feel the left are not strong enough, or actually support many of the things they feel strongly about. When they hear someone dismiss their concerns as baiting the racists or it’s red meat for the right as examples, it will naturally drive them towards the likes of Farage as he seems the only person that is taking their concerns seriously. Whatever party takes the leadership of the country, they need to understand and workout how to resolve the issues people are concerned about, and whether you like it or not illegal entry by migrants is right up there, along with health, law and order etc. Okay, so it's not your view that it's "only" the left? The right wing represents the interests of those with the £££. Wealthy individuals, and big corporations. They are much better funded, supported by a larger section of the media. So it's easy to see why the left have less to work with to advertise why voting for them would be good. As for the whole immigration thing, if the media, government and other parties were to stop forcing it down everyone's throats, maybe we'd be able to have a much better look at the situation. I don't think this is the fault of the left. Greens are the only national left party in this election. People don't need anyone to 'force it down their throats'. Go for a walk and you'll see it. Stop Burying your head.yes and no. On the debate garage linked NHS saying lists increasing by 40 plus per cent to immigration quoting 6m extra people. Now, that's 10pc of UK population. So only explains part. And that assumes that those coming in use the NHS as much as the average Brit. I'd guess probably not given how age dependant use it. It also ignores how much waiting lists are kept down to.just 40pc increase because of immigration. It's a part. For sure. But the issue is so much more. Yet immigration gets way more of the air time than everything else. (I am assuming here that by walk around and seeing it relates to state of out infrastructure and our standard of living, rather than look at the people's skin as it could have been read! I know that's not you, but it could be miss interpreted) " We're not just speaking NHS, immigration has a huge impact in all walks of life. Would we really need all the legal migration to fill jobs if we didn't have such high net migration figures. There needs to be a balance, not 'oh shit, we've let in 2m people, so now we need to go find another 2000 doctors'. | |||
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"Reform have nudged ahead of the Tories - in one poll at least. Once again Farage won the TV debate hands down per viewer polls. What's going on here? We can be confident the Great British public haven't taken a sharp right turn, so what's the driver? Two things, one - Farage can say whatever he likes because he knows he’ll never have to make good on it (like Brexit). Two - the debates don’t allow time to go into detail, which is a massive weakness for Farage. If you notice anytime he is pressed on detail he tries to change the subject or just starts laughing. Yes, Farage is a media pro and can manage a crowd, TV or otherwise. There again, he could well be an MP in a few weeks time with Reform as many seats as the Tories. I’m pretty sure Farage will be an MP, there’s no way he would stand if he thought he’d fail for the right time, the chances of Reform getting more seats than the Tories are slim to none, and slim’s left town. Yes, I think he'll be the Honourable Member for Clacton-on-Sea in the next parliament. A bad thing? Maybe a good thing to have a strong character in opposition to a large majority Labour government? A strong character is only good if they have something of value to add. Well it seems the electorate think he does judging from his enduring popularity. They can't ALL be knuckle dragging racists can they? No, of course not, some are just not paying attention, have absorbed the anti-immigrant, anti-foreigner, anti-islam rhetoric over the past couple of decades and think this charlatan with no answers, is the answer. The issue with your view is you are dismissing the fact people feel strongly about what you see as simple noise, it is that brushing under the carpet that will allow the very thing you despise to take power in the country. Can you explain? I asked somewhere else where you defended the claim that the only people to blame of the rise for the much further to the right gaining traction, is the left? People feel the left are not strong enough, or actually support many of the things they feel strongly about. When they hear someone dismiss their concerns as baiting the racists or it’s red meat for the right as examples, it will naturally drive them towards the likes of Farage as he seems the only person that is taking their concerns seriously. Whatever party takes the leadership of the country, they need to understand and workout how to resolve the issues people are concerned about, and whether you like it or not illegal entry by migrants is right up there, along with health, law and order etc. Okay, so it's not your view that it's "only" the left? The right wing represents the interests of those with the £££. Wealthy individuals, and big corporations. They are much better funded, supported by a larger section of the media. So it's easy to see why the left have less to work with to advertise why voting for them would be good. As for the whole immigration thing, if the media, government and other parties were to stop forcing it down everyone's throats, maybe we'd be able to have a much better look at the situation. I don't think this is the fault of the left. Greens are the only national left party in this election. I don’t think it is forced down our throats tho there can’t even be a sensible conversation about immigration if anyone mentions the amount of young men the economic migration the fact they don’t keep lists of there criminal records and why are they fleeing France a stable country the the racist card pops up we should not be scared to talk about it it’s a huge issue which effects lots of ppl in the U.K. " Excellent example.
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"Reform have nudged ahead of the Tories - in one poll at least. Once again Farage won the TV debate hands down per viewer polls. What's going on here? We can be confident the Great British public haven't taken a sharp right turn, so what's the driver? Two things, one - Farage can say whatever he likes because he knows he’ll never have to make good on it (like Brexit). Two - the debates don’t allow time to go into detail, which is a massive weakness for Farage. If you notice anytime he is pressed on detail he tries to change the subject or just starts laughing. Yes, Farage is a media pro and can manage a crowd, TV or otherwise. There again, he could well be an MP in a few weeks time with Reform as many seats as the Tories. I’m pretty sure Farage will be an MP, there’s no way he would stand if he thought he’d fail for the right time, the chances of Reform getting more seats than the Tories are slim to none, and slim’s left town. Yes, I think he'll be the Honourable Member for Clacton-on-Sea in the next parliament. A bad thing? Maybe a good thing to have a strong character in opposition to a large majority Labour government? A strong character is only good if they have something of value to add. Well it seems the electorate think he does judging from his enduring popularity. They can't ALL be knuckle dragging racists can they? No, of course not, some are just not paying attention, have absorbed the anti-immigrant, anti-foreigner, anti-islam rhetoric over the past couple of decades and think this charlatan with no answers, is the answer. The issue with your view is you are dismissing the fact people feel strongly about what you see as simple noise, it is that brushing under the carpet that will allow the very thing you despise to take power in the country. Can you explain? I asked somewhere else where you defended the claim that the only people to blame of the rise for the much further to the right gaining traction, is the left? People feel the left are not strong enough, or actually support many of the things they feel strongly about. When they hear someone dismiss their concerns as baiting the racists or it’s red meat for the right as examples, it will naturally drive them towards the likes of Farage as he seems the only person that is taking their concerns seriously. Whatever party takes the leadership of the country, they need to understand and workout how to resolve the issues people are concerned about, and whether you like it or not illegal entry by migrants is right up there, along with health, law and order etc. Okay, so it's not your view that it's "only" the left? The right wing represents the interests of those with the £££. Wealthy individuals, and big corporations. They are much better funded, supported by a larger section of the media. So it's easy to see why the left have less to work with to advertise why voting for them would be good. As for the whole immigration thing, if the media, government and other parties were to stop forcing it down everyone's throats, maybe we'd be able to have a much better look at the situation. I don't think this is the fault of the left. Greens are the only national left party in this election. People don't need anyone to 'force it down their throats'. Go for a walk and you'll see it. Stop Burying your head.yes and no. On the debate garage linked NHS saying lists increasing by 40 plus per cent to immigration quoting 6m extra people. Now, that's 10pc of UK population. So only explains part. And that assumes that those coming in use the NHS as much as the average Brit. I'd guess probably not given how age dependant use it. It also ignores how much waiting lists are kept down to.just 40pc increase because of immigration. It's a part. For sure. But the issue is so much more. Yet immigration gets way more of the air time than everything else. (I am assuming here that by walk around and seeing it relates to state of out infrastructure and our standard of living, rather than look at the people's skin as it could have been read! I know that's not you, but it could be miss interpreted) It is illegal entry that is the real issue, controlled immigration not so much. It would be beneficial to all if politicians and political reporters refrained from grouping them together, it causes a lot of confusion and I think it lends itself to the mistrust that peoples concernsnot are being listened to. " Legal migration to the UK 2023 = 1,200,000 Illegal migration to the UK 2023 = 40,000 | |||
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"Reform have nudged ahead of the Tories - in one poll at least. Once again Farage won the TV debate hands down per viewer polls. What's going on here? We can be confident the Great British public haven't taken a sharp right turn, so what's the driver? Two things, one - Farage can say whatever he likes because he knows he’ll never have to make good on it (like Brexit). Two - the debates don’t allow time to go into detail, which is a massive weakness for Farage. If you notice anytime he is pressed on detail he tries to change the subject or just starts laughing. Yes, Farage is a media pro and can manage a crowd, TV or otherwise. There again, he could well be an MP in a few weeks time with Reform as many seats as the Tories. I’m pretty sure Farage will be an MP, there’s no way he would stand if he thought he’d fail for the right time, the chances of Reform getting more seats than the Tories are slim to none, and slim’s left town. Yes, I think he'll be the Honourable Member for Clacton-on-Sea in the next parliament. A bad thing? Maybe a good thing to have a strong character in opposition to a large majority Labour government? A strong character is only good if they have something of value to add. Well it seems the electorate think he does judging from his enduring popularity. They can't ALL be knuckle dragging racists can they? No, of course not, some are just not paying attention, have absorbed the anti-immigrant, anti-foreigner, anti-islam rhetoric over the past couple of decades and think this charlatan with no answers, is the answer. The issue with your view is you are dismissing the fact people feel strongly about what you see as simple noise, it is that brushing under the carpet that will allow the very thing you despise to take power in the country. Can you explain? I asked somewhere else where you defended the claim that the only people to blame of the rise for the much further to the right gaining traction, is the left? People feel the left are not strong enough, or actually support many of the things they feel strongly about. When they hear someone dismiss their concerns as baiting the racists or it’s red meat for the right as examples, it will naturally drive them towards the likes of Farage as he seems the only person that is taking their concerns seriously. Whatever party takes the leadership of the country, they need to understand and workout how to resolve the issues people are concerned about, and whether you like it or not illegal entry by migrants is right up there, along with health, law and order etc. Okay, so it's not your view that it's "only" the left? The right wing represents the interests of those with the £££. Wealthy individuals, and big corporations. They are much better funded, supported by a larger section of the media. So it's easy to see why the left have less to work with to advertise why voting for them would be good. As for the whole immigration thing, if the media, government and other parties were to stop forcing it down everyone's throats, maybe we'd be able to have a much better look at the situation. I don't think this is the fault of the left. Greens are the only national left party in this election. People don't need anyone to 'force it down their throats'. Go for a walk and you'll see it. Stop Burying your head.yes and no. On the debate garage linked NHS saying lists increasing by 40 plus per cent to immigration quoting 6m extra people. Now, that's 10pc of UK population. So only explains part. And that assumes that those coming in use the NHS as much as the average Brit. I'd guess probably not given how age dependant use it. It also ignores how much waiting lists are kept down to.just 40pc increase because of immigration. It's a part. For sure. But the issue is so much more. Yet immigration gets way more of the air time than everything else. (I am assuming here that by walk around and seeing it relates to state of out infrastructure and our standard of living, rather than look at the people's skin as it could have been read! I know that's not you, but it could be miss interpreted) It is illegal entry that is the real issue, controlled immigration not so much. It would be beneficial to all if politicians and political reporters refrained from grouping them together, it causes a lot of confusion and I think it lends itself to the mistrust that peoples concernsnot are being listened to. Yes, and looking at this two categories further. Illegal crossings, like anything illegal, needs to be stopped. But year after year it isn't. As for legal immigration, we need to ask ourselves why it's necessary to have so much reliance on cheap labour. Why won't Brits work? What is the disincentive? " I'm not sure if it's the case (someone can confirm) but what we need to do is make a 'foreign min wage' that is 50% higher than industry average, that stops 'cheap labour'. As for 'why won't Brits work', see our benefits system, it's broken and for some, far too easy. | |||
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"Reform have nudged ahead of the Tories - in one poll at least. Once again Farage won the TV debate hands down per viewer polls. What's going on here? We can be confident the Great British public haven't taken a sharp right turn, so what's the driver? Two things, one - Farage can say whatever he likes because he knows he’ll never have to make good on it (like Brexit). Two - the debates don’t allow time to go into detail, which is a massive weakness for Farage. If you notice anytime he is pressed on detail he tries to change the subject or just starts laughing. Yes, Farage is a media pro and can manage a crowd, TV or otherwise. There again, he could well be an MP in a few weeks time with Reform as many seats as the Tories. I’m pretty sure Farage will be an MP, there’s no way he would stand if he thought he’d fail for the right time, the chances of Reform getting more seats than the Tories are slim to none, and slim’s left town. Yes, I think he'll be the Honourable Member for Clacton-on-Sea in the next parliament. A bad thing? Maybe a good thing to have a strong character in opposition to a large majority Labour government? A strong character is only good if they have something of value to add. Well it seems the electorate think he does judging from his enduring popularity. They can't ALL be knuckle dragging racists can they? No, of course not, some are just not paying attention, have absorbed the anti-immigrant, anti-foreigner, anti-islam rhetoric over the past couple of decades and think this charlatan with no answers, is the answer. The issue with your view is you are dismissing the fact people feel strongly about what you see as simple noise, it is that brushing under the carpet that will allow the very thing you despise to take power in the country. Can you explain? I asked somewhere else where you defended the claim that the only people to blame of the rise for the much further to the right gaining traction, is the left? People feel the left are not strong enough, or actually support many of the things they feel strongly about. When they hear someone dismiss their concerns as baiting the racists or it’s red meat for the right as examples, it will naturally drive them towards the likes of Farage as he seems the only person that is taking their concerns seriously. Whatever party takes the leadership of the country, they need to understand and workout how to resolve the issues people are concerned about, and whether you like it or not illegal entry by migrants is right up there, along with health, law and order etc. Okay, so it's not your view that it's "only" the left? The right wing represents the interests of those with the £££. Wealthy individuals, and big corporations. They are much better funded, supported by a larger section of the media. So it's easy to see why the left have less to work with to advertise why voting for them would be good. As for the whole immigration thing, if the media, government and other parties were to stop forcing it down everyone's throats, maybe we'd be able to have a much better look at the situation. I don't think this is the fault of the left. Greens are the only national left party in this election. People don't need anyone to 'force it down their throats'. Go for a walk and you'll see it. Stop Burying your head.yes and no. On the debate garage linked NHS saying lists increasing by 40 plus per cent to immigration quoting 6m extra people. Now, that's 10pc of UK population. So only explains part. And that assumes that those coming in use the NHS as much as the average Brit. I'd guess probably not given how age dependant use it. It also ignores how much waiting lists are kept down to.just 40pc increase because of immigration. It's a part. For sure. But the issue is so much more. Yet immigration gets way more of the air time than everything else. (I am assuming here that by walk around and seeing it relates to state of out infrastructure and our standard of living, rather than look at the people's skin as it could have been read! I know that's not you, but it could be miss interpreted) It is illegal entry that is the real issue, controlled immigration not so much. It would be beneficial to all if politicians and political reporters refrained from grouping them together, it causes a lot of confusion and I think it lends itself to the mistrust that peoples concernsnot are being listened to. Legal migration to the UK 2023 = 1,200,000 Illegal migration to the UK 2023 = 40,000" But we wouldn't sit on our hands and look the other way if there were 40,000 serious assaults every year. Why do tolerate that level of illegality? | |||
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"Reform have nudged ahead of the Tories - in one poll at least. Once again Farage won the TV debate hands down per viewer polls. What's going on here? We can be confident the Great British public haven't taken a sharp right turn, so what's the driver? Two things, one - Farage can say whatever he likes because he knows he’ll never have to make good on it (like Brexit). Two - the debates don’t allow time to go into detail, which is a massive weakness for Farage. If you notice anytime he is pressed on detail he tries to change the subject or just starts laughing. Yes, Farage is a media pro and can manage a crowd, TV or otherwise. There again, he could well be an MP in a few weeks time with Reform as many seats as the Tories. I’m pretty sure Farage will be an MP, there’s no way he would stand if he thought he’d fail for the right time, the chances of Reform getting more seats than the Tories are slim to none, and slim’s left town. Yes, I think he'll be the Honourable Member for Clacton-on-Sea in the next parliament. A bad thing? Maybe a good thing to have a strong character in opposition to a large majority Labour government? A strong character is only good if they have something of value to add. Well it seems the electorate think he does judging from his enduring popularity. They can't ALL be knuckle dragging racists can they? No, of course not, some are just not paying attention, have absorbed the anti-immigrant, anti-foreigner, anti-islam rhetoric over the past couple of decades and think this charlatan with no answers, is the answer. The issue with your view is you are dismissing the fact people feel strongly about what you see as simple noise, it is that brushing under the carpet that will allow the very thing you despise to take power in the country. Can you explain? I asked somewhere else where you defended the claim that the only people to blame of the rise for the much further to the right gaining traction, is the left? People feel the left are not strong enough, or actually support many of the things they feel strongly about. When they hear someone dismiss their concerns as baiting the racists or it’s red meat for the right as examples, it will naturally drive them towards the likes of Farage as he seems the only person that is taking their concerns seriously. Whatever party takes the leadership of the country, they need to understand and workout how to resolve the issues people are concerned about, and whether you like it or not illegal entry by migrants is right up there, along with health, law and order etc. Okay, so it's not your view that it's "only" the left? The right wing represents the interests of those with the £££. Wealthy individuals, and big corporations. They are much better funded, supported by a larger section of the media. So it's easy to see why the left have less to work with to advertise why voting for them would be good. As for the whole immigration thing, if the media, government and other parties were to stop forcing it down everyone's throats, maybe we'd be able to have a much better look at the situation. I don't think this is the fault of the left. Greens are the only national left party in this election. People don't need anyone to 'force it down their throats'. Go for a walk and you'll see it. Stop Burying your head.yes and no. On the debate garage linked NHS saying lists increasing by 40 plus per cent to immigration quoting 6m extra people. Now, that's 10pc of UK population. So only explains part. And that assumes that those coming in use the NHS as much as the average Brit. I'd guess probably not given how age dependant use it. It also ignores how much waiting lists are kept down to.just 40pc increase because of immigration. It's a part. For sure. But the issue is so much more. Yet immigration gets way more of the air time than everything else. (I am assuming here that by walk around and seeing it relates to state of out infrastructure and our standard of living, rather than look at the people's skin as it could have been read! I know that's not you, but it could be miss interpreted) It is illegal entry that is the real issue, controlled immigration not so much. It would be beneficial to all if politicians and political reporters refrained from grouping them together, it causes a lot of confusion and I think it lends itself to the mistrust that peoples concernsnot are being listened to. Legal migration to the UK 2023 = 1,200,000 Illegal migration to the UK 2023 = 40,000 But we wouldn't sit on our hands and look the other way if there were 40,000 serious assaults every year. Why do tolerate that level of illegality?" Because fleeing war and persecution is not the same as assaulting someone. | |||
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"Reform have nudged ahead of the Tories - in one poll at least. Once again Farage won the TV debate hands down per viewer polls. What's going on here? We can be confident the Great British public haven't taken a sharp right turn, so what's the driver? Two things, one - Farage can say whatever he likes because he knows he’ll never have to make good on it (like Brexit). Two - the debates don’t allow time to go into detail, which is a massive weakness for Farage. If you notice anytime he is pressed on detail he tries to change the subject or just starts laughing. Yes, Farage is a media pro and can manage a crowd, TV or otherwise. There again, he could well be an MP in a few weeks time with Reform as many seats as the Tories. I’m pretty sure Farage will be an MP, there’s no way he would stand if he thought he’d fail for the right time, the chances of Reform getting more seats than the Tories are slim to none, and slim’s left town. Yes, I think he'll be the Honourable Member for Clacton-on-Sea in the next parliament. A bad thing? Maybe a good thing to have a strong character in opposition to a large majority Labour government? A strong character is only good if they have something of value to add. Well it seems the electorate think he does judging from his enduring popularity. They can't ALL be knuckle dragging racists can they? No, of course not, some are just not paying attention, have absorbed the anti-immigrant, anti-foreigner, anti-islam rhetoric over the past couple of decades and think this charlatan with no answers, is the answer. The issue with your view is you are dismissing the fact people feel strongly about what you see as simple noise, it is that brushing under the carpet that will allow the very thing you despise to take power in the country. Can you explain? I asked somewhere else where you defended the claim that the only people to blame of the rise for the much further to the right gaining traction, is the left? People feel the left are not strong enough, or actually support many of the things they feel strongly about. When they hear someone dismiss their concerns as baiting the racists or it’s red meat for the right as examples, it will naturally drive them towards the likes of Farage as he seems the only person that is taking their concerns seriously. Whatever party takes the leadership of the country, they need to understand and workout how to resolve the issues people are concerned about, and whether you like it or not illegal entry by migrants is right up there, along with health, law and order etc. Okay, so it's not your view that it's "only" the left? The right wing represents the interests of those with the £££. Wealthy individuals, and big corporations. They are much better funded, supported by a larger section of the media. So it's easy to see why the left have less to work with to advertise why voting for them would be good. As for the whole immigration thing, if the media, government and other parties were to stop forcing it down everyone's throats, maybe we'd be able to have a much better look at the situation. I don't think this is the fault of the left. Greens are the only national left party in this election. People don't need anyone to 'force it down their throats'. Go for a walk and you'll see it. Stop Burying your head.yes and no. On the debate garage linked NHS saying lists increasing by 40 plus per cent to immigration quoting 6m extra people. Now, that's 10pc of UK population. So only explains part. And that assumes that those coming in use the NHS as much as the average Brit. I'd guess probably not given how age dependant use it. It also ignores how much waiting lists are kept down to.just 40pc increase because of immigration. It's a part. For sure. But the issue is so much more. Yet immigration gets way more of the air time than everything else. (I am assuming here that by walk around and seeing it relates to state of out infrastructure and our standard of living, rather than look at the people's skin as it could have been read! I know that's not you, but it could be miss interpreted) It is illegal entry that is the real issue, controlled immigration not so much. It would be beneficial to all if politicians and political reporters refrained from grouping them together, it causes a lot of confusion and I think it lends itself to the mistrust that peoples concernsnot are being listened to. Legal migration to the UK 2023 = 1,200,000 Illegal migration to the UK 2023 = 40,000 But we wouldn't sit on our hands and look the other way if there were 40,000 serious assaults every year. Why do tolerate that level of illegality?" exactly | |||
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"Reform have nudged ahead of the Tories - in one poll at least. Once again Farage won the TV debate hands down per viewer polls. What's going on here? We can be confident the Great British public haven't taken a sharp right turn, so what's the driver? Two things, one - Farage can say whatever he likes because he knows he’ll never have to make good on it (like Brexit). Two - the debates don’t allow time to go into detail, which is a massive weakness for Farage. If you notice anytime he is pressed on detail he tries to change the subject or just starts laughing. Yes, Farage is a media pro and can manage a crowd, TV or otherwise. There again, he could well be an MP in a few weeks time with Reform as many seats as the Tories. I’m pretty sure Farage will be an MP, there’s no way he would stand if he thought he’d fail for the right time, the chances of Reform getting more seats than the Tories are slim to none, and slim’s left town. Yes, I think he'll be the Honourable Member for Clacton-on-Sea in the next parliament. A bad thing? Maybe a good thing to have a strong character in opposition to a large majority Labour government? A strong character is only good if they have something of value to add. Well it seems the electorate think he does judging from his enduring popularity. They can't ALL be knuckle dragging racists can they? No, of course not, some are just not paying attention, have absorbed the anti-immigrant, anti-foreigner, anti-islam rhetoric over the past couple of decades and think this charlatan with no answers, is the answer. The issue with your view is you are dismissing the fact people feel strongly about what you see as simple noise, it is that brushing under the carpet that will allow the very thing you despise to take power in the country. Can you explain? I asked somewhere else where you defended the claim that the only people to blame of the rise for the much further to the right gaining traction, is the left? People feel the left are not strong enough, or actually support many of the things they feel strongly about. When they hear someone dismiss their concerns as baiting the racists or it’s red meat for the right as examples, it will naturally drive them towards the likes of Farage as he seems the only person that is taking their concerns seriously. Whatever party takes the leadership of the country, they need to understand and workout how to resolve the issues people are concerned about, and whether you like it or not illegal entry by migrants is right up there, along with health, law and order etc. Okay, so it's not your view that it's "only" the left? The right wing represents the interests of those with the £££. Wealthy individuals, and big corporations. They are much better funded, supported by a larger section of the media. So it's easy to see why the left have less to work with to advertise why voting for them would be good. As for the whole immigration thing, if the media, government and other parties were to stop forcing it down everyone's throats, maybe we'd be able to have a much better look at the situation. I don't think this is the fault of the left. Greens are the only national left party in this election. People don't need anyone to 'force it down their throats'. Go for a walk and you'll see it. Stop Burying your head.yes and no. On the debate garage linked NHS saying lists increasing by 40 plus per cent to immigration quoting 6m extra people. Now, that's 10pc of UK population. So only explains part. And that assumes that those coming in use the NHS as much as the average Brit. I'd guess probably not given how age dependant use it. It also ignores how much waiting lists are kept down to.just 40pc increase because of immigration. It's a part. For sure. But the issue is so much more. Yet immigration gets way more of the air time than everything else. (I am assuming here that by walk around and seeing it relates to state of out infrastructure and our standard of living, rather than look at the people's skin as it could have been read! I know that's not you, but it could be miss interpreted) It is illegal entry that is the real issue, controlled immigration not so much. It would be beneficial to all if politicians and political reporters refrained from grouping them together, it causes a lot of confusion and I think it lends itself to the mistrust that peoples concernsnot are being listened to. Legal migration to the UK 2023 = 1,200,000 Illegal migration to the UK 2023 = 40,000 But we wouldn't sit on our hands and look the other way if there were 40,000 serious assaults every year. Why do tolerate that level of illegality?" Political parties on the right have zero incentive to do anything about illegal entry into the UK. | |||
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"Reform have nudged ahead of the Tories - in one poll at least. Once again Farage won the TV debate hands down per viewer polls. What's going on here? We can be confident the Great British public haven't taken a sharp right turn, so what's the driver? Two things, one - Farage can say whatever he likes because he knows he’ll never have to make good on it (like Brexit). Two - the debates don’t allow time to go into detail, which is a massive weakness for Farage. If you notice anytime he is pressed on detail he tries to change the subject or just starts laughing. Yes, Farage is a media pro and can manage a crowd, TV or otherwise. There again, he could well be an MP in a few weeks time with Reform as many seats as the Tories. I’m pretty sure Farage will be an MP, there’s no way he would stand if he thought he’d fail for the right time, the chances of Reform getting more seats than the Tories are slim to none, and slim’s left town. Yes, I think he'll be the Honourable Member for Clacton-on-Sea in the next parliament. A bad thing? Maybe a good thing to have a strong character in opposition to a large majority Labour government? A strong character is only good if they have something of value to add. Well it seems the electorate think he does judging from his enduring popularity. They can't ALL be knuckle dragging racists can they? No, of course not, some are just not paying attention, have absorbed the anti-immigrant, anti-foreigner, anti-islam rhetoric over the past couple of decades and think this charlatan with no answers, is the answer. The issue with your view is you are dismissing the fact people feel strongly about what you see as simple noise, it is that brushing under the carpet that will allow the very thing you despise to take power in the country. Can you explain? I asked somewhere else where you defended the claim that the only people to blame of the rise for the much further to the right gaining traction, is the left? People feel the left are not strong enough, or actually support many of the things they feel strongly about. When they hear someone dismiss their concerns as baiting the racists or it’s red meat for the right as examples, it will naturally drive them towards the likes of Farage as he seems the only person that is taking their concerns seriously. Whatever party takes the leadership of the country, they need to understand and workout how to resolve the issues people are concerned about, and whether you like it or not illegal entry by migrants is right up there, along with health, law and order etc. Okay, so it's not your view that it's "only" the left? The right wing represents the interests of those with the £££. Wealthy individuals, and big corporations. They are much better funded, supported by a larger section of the media. So it's easy to see why the left have less to work with to advertise why voting for them would be good. As for the whole immigration thing, if the media, government and other parties were to stop forcing it down everyone's throats, maybe we'd be able to have a much better look at the situation. I don't think this is the fault of the left. Greens are the only national left party in this election. People don't need anyone to 'force it down their throats'. Go for a walk and you'll see it. Stop Burying your head.yes and no. On the debate garage linked NHS saying lists increasing by 40 plus per cent to immigration quoting 6m extra people. Now, that's 10pc of UK population. So only explains part. And that assumes that those coming in use the NHS as much as the average Brit. I'd guess probably not given how age dependant use it. It also ignores how much waiting lists are kept down to.just 40pc increase because of immigration. It's a part. For sure. But the issue is so much more. Yet immigration gets way more of the air time than everything else. (I am assuming here that by walk around and seeing it relates to state of out infrastructure and our standard of living, rather than look at the people's skin as it could have been read! I know that's not you, but it could be miss interpreted) It is illegal entry that is the real issue, controlled immigration not so much. It would be beneficial to all if politicians and political reporters refrained from grouping them together, it causes a lot of confusion and I think it lends itself to the mistrust that peoples concernsnot are being listened to. Legal migration to the UK 2023 = 1,200,000 Illegal migration to the UK 2023 = 40,000 But we wouldn't sit on our hands and look the other way if there were 40,000 serious assaults every year. Why do tolerate that level of illegality? Because fleeing war and persecution is not the same as assaulting someone." Which takes us straight back to the scores of working age men fleeing. Where are the women and children? | |||
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"Reform have nudged ahead of the Tories - in one poll at least. Once again Farage won the TV debate hands down per viewer polls. What's going on here? We can be confident the Great British public haven't taken a sharp right turn, so what's the driver? Two things, one - Farage can say whatever he likes because he knows he’ll never have to make good on it (like Brexit). Two - the debates don’t allow time to go into detail, which is a massive weakness for Farage. If you notice anytime he is pressed on detail he tries to change the subject or just starts laughing. Yes, Farage is a media pro and can manage a crowd, TV or otherwise. There again, he could well be an MP in a few weeks time with Reform as many seats as the Tories. I’m pretty sure Farage will be an MP, there’s no way he would stand if he thought he’d fail for the right time, the chances of Reform getting more seats than the Tories are slim to none, and slim’s left town. Yes, I think he'll be the Honourable Member for Clacton-on-Sea in the next parliament. A bad thing? Maybe a good thing to have a strong character in opposition to a large majority Labour government? A strong character is only good if they have something of value to add. Well it seems the electorate think he does judging from his enduring popularity. They can't ALL be knuckle dragging racists can they? No, of course not, some are just not paying attention, have absorbed the anti-immigrant, anti-foreigner, anti-islam rhetoric over the past couple of decades and think this charlatan with no answers, is the answer. The issue with your view is you are dismissing the fact people feel strongly about what you see as simple noise, it is that brushing under the carpet that will allow the very thing you despise to take power in the country. Can you explain? I asked somewhere else where you defended the claim that the only people to blame of the rise for the much further to the right gaining traction, is the left? People feel the left are not strong enough, or actually support many of the things they feel strongly about. When they hear someone dismiss their concerns as baiting the racists or it’s red meat for the right as examples, it will naturally drive them towards the likes of Farage as he seems the only person that is taking their concerns seriously. Whatever party takes the leadership of the country, they need to understand and workout how to resolve the issues people are concerned about, and whether you like it or not illegal entry by migrants is right up there, along with health, law and order etc. Okay, so it's not your view that it's "only" the left? The right wing represents the interests of those with the £££. Wealthy individuals, and big corporations. They are much better funded, supported by a larger section of the media. So it's easy to see why the left have less to work with to advertise why voting for them would be good. As for the whole immigration thing, if the media, government and other parties were to stop forcing it down everyone's throats, maybe we'd be able to have a much better look at the situation. I don't think this is the fault of the left. Greens are the only national left party in this election. People don't need anyone to 'force it down their throats'. Go for a walk and you'll see it. Stop Burying your head.yes and no. On the debate garage linked NHS saying lists increasing by 40 plus per cent to immigration quoting 6m extra people. Now, that's 10pc of UK population. So only explains part. And that assumes that those coming in use the NHS as much as the average Brit. I'd guess probably not given how age dependant use it. It also ignores how much waiting lists are kept down to.just 40pc increase because of immigration. It's a part. For sure. But the issue is so much more. Yet immigration gets way more of the air time than everything else. (I am assuming here that by walk around and seeing it relates to state of out infrastructure and our standard of living, rather than look at the people's skin as it could have been read! I know that's not you, but it could be miss interpreted) It is illegal entry that is the real issue, controlled immigration not so much. It would be beneficial to all if politicians and political reporters refrained from grouping them together, it causes a lot of confusion and I think it lends itself to the mistrust that peoples concernsnot are being listened to. Legal migration to the UK 2023 = 1,200,000 Illegal migration to the UK 2023 = 40,000 But we wouldn't sit on our hands and look the other way if there were 40,000 serious assaults every year. Why do tolerate that level of illegality?" Also, we sit on our hands and look the other way while 100,000 plus die while on NHS waiting lists, and 25,000 due to understaffing on wards. Maybe if we stopped focusing on immigration we would have time to look at the far more important things. | |||
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"Reform have nudged ahead of the Tories - in one poll at least. Once again Farage won the TV debate hands down per viewer polls. What's going on here? We can be confident the Great British public haven't taken a sharp right turn, so what's the driver? Two things, one - Farage can say whatever he likes because he knows he’ll never have to make good on it (like Brexit). Two - the debates don’t allow time to go into detail, which is a massive weakness for Farage. If you notice anytime he is pressed on detail he tries to change the subject or just starts laughing. Yes, Farage is a media pro and can manage a crowd, TV or otherwise. There again, he could well be an MP in a few weeks time with Reform as many seats as the Tories. I’m pretty sure Farage will be an MP, there’s no way he would stand if he thought he’d fail for the right time, the chances of Reform getting more seats than the Tories are slim to none, and slim’s left town. Yes, I think he'll be the Honourable Member for Clacton-on-Sea in the next parliament. A bad thing? Maybe a good thing to have a strong character in opposition to a large majority Labour government? A strong character is only good if they have something of value to add. Well it seems the electorate think he does judging from his enduring popularity. They can't ALL be knuckle dragging racists can they? No, of course not, some are just not paying attention, have absorbed the anti-immigrant, anti-foreigner, anti-islam rhetoric over the past couple of decades and think this charlatan with no answers, is the answer. The issue with your view is you are dismissing the fact people feel strongly about what you see as simple noise, it is that brushing under the carpet that will allow the very thing you despise to take power in the country. Can you explain? I asked somewhere else where you defended the claim that the only people to blame of the rise for the much further to the right gaining traction, is the left? People feel the left are not strong enough, or actually support many of the things they feel strongly about. When they hear someone dismiss their concerns as baiting the racists or it’s red meat for the right as examples, it will naturally drive them towards the likes of Farage as he seems the only person that is taking their concerns seriously. Whatever party takes the leadership of the country, they need to understand and workout how to resolve the issues people are concerned about, and whether you like it or not illegal entry by migrants is right up there, along with health, law and order etc. Okay, so it's not your view that it's "only" the left? The right wing represents the interests of those with the £££. Wealthy individuals, and big corporations. They are much better funded, supported by a larger section of the media. So it's easy to see why the left have less to work with to advertise why voting for them would be good. As for the whole immigration thing, if the media, government and other parties were to stop forcing it down everyone's throats, maybe we'd be able to have a much better look at the situation. I don't think this is the fault of the left. Greens are the only national left party in this election. People don't need anyone to 'force it down their throats'. Go for a walk and you'll see it. Stop Burying your head.yes and no. On the debate garage linked NHS saying lists increasing by 40 plus per cent to immigration quoting 6m extra people. Now, that's 10pc of UK population. So only explains part. And that assumes that those coming in use the NHS as much as the average Brit. I'd guess probably not given how age dependant use it. It also ignores how much waiting lists are kept down to.just 40pc increase because of immigration. It's a part. For sure. But the issue is so much more. Yet immigration gets way more of the air time than everything else. (I am assuming here that by walk around and seeing it relates to state of out infrastructure and our standard of living, rather than look at the people's skin as it could have been read! I know that's not you, but it could be miss interpreted) It is illegal entry that is the real issue, controlled immigration not so much. It would be beneficial to all if politicians and political reporters refrained from grouping them together, it causes a lot of confusion and I think it lends itself to the mistrust that peoples concernsnot are being listened to. Legal migration to the UK 2023 = 1,200,000 Illegal migration to the UK 2023 = 40,000 But we wouldn't sit on our hands and look the other way if there were 40,000 serious assaults every year. Why do tolerate that level of illegality? Also, we sit on our hands and look the other way while 100,000 plus die while on NHS waiting lists, and 25,000 due to understaffing on wards. Maybe if we stopped focusing on immigration we would have time to look at the far more important things." Fully agree on NHS, it's a national disgrace. But I suspect our solutions would differ radically  | |||
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"Reform have nudged ahead of the Tories - in one poll at least. Once again Farage won the TV debate hands down per viewer polls. What's going on here? We can be confident the Great British public haven't taken a sharp right turn, so what's the driver? Two things, one - Farage can say whatever he likes because he knows he’ll never have to make good on it (like Brexit). Two - the debates don’t allow time to go into detail, which is a massive weakness for Farage. If you notice anytime he is pressed on detail he tries to change the subject or just starts laughing. Yes, Farage is a media pro and can manage a crowd, TV or otherwise. There again, he could well be an MP in a few weeks time with Reform as many seats as the Tories. I’m pretty sure Farage will be an MP, there’s no way he would stand if he thought he’d fail for the right time, the chances of Reform getting more seats than the Tories are slim to none, and slim’s left town. Yes, I think he'll be the Honourable Member for Clacton-on-Sea in the next parliament. A bad thing? Maybe a good thing to have a strong character in opposition to a large majority Labour government? A strong character is only good if they have something of value to add. Well it seems the electorate think he does judging from his enduring popularity. They can't ALL be knuckle dragging racists can they? No, of course not, some are just not paying attention, have absorbed the anti-immigrant, anti-foreigner, anti-islam rhetoric over the past couple of decades and think this charlatan with no answers, is the answer. The issue with your view is you are dismissing the fact people feel strongly about what you see as simple noise, it is that brushing under the carpet that will allow the very thing you despise to take power in the country. Can you explain? I asked somewhere else where you defended the claim that the only people to blame of the rise for the much further to the right gaining traction, is the left? People feel the left are not strong enough, or actually support many of the things they feel strongly about. When they hear someone dismiss their concerns as baiting the racists or it’s red meat for the right as examples, it will naturally drive them towards the likes of Farage as he seems the only person that is taking their concerns seriously. Whatever party takes the leadership of the country, they need to understand and workout how to resolve the issues people are concerned about, and whether you like it or not illegal entry by migrants is right up there, along with health, law and order etc. Okay, so it's not your view that it's "only" the left? The right wing represents the interests of those with the £££. Wealthy individuals, and big corporations. They are much better funded, supported by a larger section of the media. So it's easy to see why the left have less to work with to advertise why voting for them would be good. As for the whole immigration thing, if the media, government and other parties were to stop forcing it down everyone's throats, maybe we'd be able to have a much better look at the situation. I don't think this is the fault of the left. Greens are the only national left party in this election. People don't need anyone to 'force it down their throats'. Go for a walk and you'll see it. Stop Burying your head.yes and no. On the debate garage linked NHS saying lists increasing by 40 plus per cent to immigration quoting 6m extra people. Now, that's 10pc of UK population. So only explains part. And that assumes that those coming in use the NHS as much as the average Brit. I'd guess probably not given how age dependant use it. It also ignores how much waiting lists are kept down to.just 40pc increase because of immigration. It's a part. For sure. But the issue is so much more. Yet immigration gets way more of the air time than everything else. (I am assuming here that by walk around and seeing it relates to state of out infrastructure and our standard of living, rather than look at the people's skin as it could have been read! I know that's not you, but it could be miss interpreted) It is illegal entry that is the real issue, controlled immigration not so much. It would be beneficial to all if politicians and political reporters refrained from grouping them together, it causes a lot of confusion and I think it lends itself to the mistrust that peoples concernsnot are being listened to. Legal migration to the UK 2023 = 1,200,000 Illegal migration to the UK 2023 = 40,000 But we wouldn't sit on our hands and look the other way if there were 40,000 serious assaults every year. Why do tolerate that level of illegality? Also, we sit on our hands and look the other way while 100,000 plus die while on NHS waiting lists, and 25,000 due to understaffing on wards. Maybe if we stopped focusing on immigration we would have time to look at the far more important things. Fully agree on NHS, it's a national disgrace. But I suspect our solutions would differ radically "If you can get a fully privatised NHS that provides a better level of care for the population, at an amount that is equal to or less than is spent now, than what is available now then I’ll listen, until then it’s a pointless discussion. | |||
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"Reform have nudged ahead of the Tories - in one poll at least. Once again Farage won the TV debate hands down per viewer polls. What's going on here? We can be confident the Great British public haven't taken a sharp right turn, so what's the driver? Two things, one - Farage can say whatever he likes because he knows he’ll never have to make good on it (like Brexit). Two - the debates don’t allow time to go into detail, which is a massive weakness for Farage. If you notice anytime he is pressed on detail he tries to change the subject or just starts laughing. Yes, Farage is a media pro and can manage a crowd, TV or otherwise. There again, he could well be an MP in a few weeks time with Reform as many seats as the Tories. I’m pretty sure Farage will be an MP, there’s no way he would stand if he thought he’d fail for the right time, the chances of Reform getting more seats than the Tories are slim to none, and slim’s left town. Yes, I think he'll be the Honourable Member for Clacton-on-Sea in the next parliament. A bad thing? Maybe a good thing to have a strong character in opposition to a large majority Labour government? A strong character is only good if they have something of value to add. Well it seems the electorate think he does judging from his enduring popularity. They can't ALL be knuckle dragging racists can they? No, of course not, some are just not paying attention, have absorbed the anti-immigrant, anti-foreigner, anti-islam rhetoric over the past couple of decades and think this charlatan with no answers, is the answer. The issue with your view is you are dismissing the fact people feel strongly about what you see as simple noise, it is that brushing under the carpet that will allow the very thing you despise to take power in the country. Can you explain? I asked somewhere else where you defended the claim that the only people to blame of the rise for the much further to the right gaining traction, is the left? People feel the left are not strong enough, or actually support many of the things they feel strongly about. When they hear someone dismiss their concerns as baiting the racists or it’s red meat for the right as examples, it will naturally drive them towards the likes of Farage as he seems the only person that is taking their concerns seriously. Whatever party takes the leadership of the country, they need to understand and workout how to resolve the issues people are concerned about, and whether you like it or not illegal entry by migrants is right up there, along with health, law and order etc. Okay, so it's not your view that it's "only" the left? The right wing represents the interests of those with the £££. Wealthy individuals, and big corporations. They are much better funded, supported by a larger section of the media. So it's easy to see why the left have less to work with to advertise why voting for them would be good. As for the whole immigration thing, if the media, government and other parties were to stop forcing it down everyone's throats, maybe we'd be able to have a much better look at the situation. I don't think this is the fault of the left. Greens are the only national left party in this election. People don't need anyone to 'force it down their throats'. Go for a walk and you'll see it. Stop Burying your head.yes and no. On the debate garage linked NHS saying lists increasing by 40 plus per cent to immigration quoting 6m extra people. Now, that's 10pc of UK population. So only explains part. And that assumes that those coming in use the NHS as much as the average Brit. I'd guess probably not given how age dependant use it. It also ignores how much waiting lists are kept down to.just 40pc increase because of immigration. It's a part. For sure. But the issue is so much more. Yet immigration gets way more of the air time than everything else. (I am assuming here that by walk around and seeing it relates to state of out infrastructure and our standard of living, rather than look at the people's skin as it could have been read! I know that's not you, but it could be miss interpreted) It is illegal entry that is the real issue, controlled immigration not so much. It would be beneficial to all if politicians and political reporters refrained from grouping them together, it causes a lot of confusion and I think it lends itself to the mistrust that peoples concernsnot are being listened to. Legal migration to the UK 2023 = 1,200,000 Illegal migration to the UK 2023 = 40,000 But we wouldn't sit on our hands and look the other way if there were 40,000 serious assaults every year. Why do tolerate that level of illegality? Also, we sit on our hands and look the other way while 100,000 plus die while on NHS waiting lists, and 25,000 due to understaffing on wards. Maybe if we stopped focusing on immigration we would have time to look at the far more important things." This is what I was highlighting further up the thread, the mention of looking at far more important things is what drives those who find the subject very important towards Farage. All the subjects are important, it is how they are communicated and acted upon that will bring success, and not deep divide through dismissing something politicians and journalists feel is not as important. | |||
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"Reform have nudged ahead of the Tories - in one poll at least. Once again Farage won the TV debate hands down per viewer polls. What's going on here? We can be confident the Great British public haven't taken a sharp right turn, so what's the driver? Two things, one - Farage can say whatever he likes because he knows he’ll never have to make good on it (like Brexit). Two - the debates don’t allow time to go into detail, which is a massive weakness for Farage. If you notice anytime he is pressed on detail he tries to change the subject or just starts laughing. Yes, Farage is a media pro and can manage a crowd, TV or otherwise. There again, he could well be an MP in a few weeks time with Reform as many seats as the Tories. I’m pretty sure Farage will be an MP, there’s no way he would stand if he thought he’d fail for the right time, the chances of Reform getting more seats than the Tories are slim to none, and slim’s left town. Yes, I think he'll be the Honourable Member for Clacton-on-Sea in the next parliament. A bad thing? Maybe a good thing to have a strong character in opposition to a large majority Labour government? A strong character is only good if they have something of value to add. Well it seems the electorate think he does judging from his enduring popularity. They can't ALL be knuckle dragging racists can they? No, of course not, some are just not paying attention, have absorbed the anti-immigrant, anti-foreigner, anti-islam rhetoric over the past couple of decades and think this charlatan with no answers, is the answer. The issue with your view is you are dismissing the fact people feel strongly about what you see as simple noise, it is that brushing under the carpet that will allow the very thing you despise to take power in the country. Can you explain? I asked somewhere else where you defended the claim that the only people to blame of the rise for the much further to the right gaining traction, is the left? People feel the left are not strong enough, or actually support many of the things they feel strongly about. When they hear someone dismiss their concerns as baiting the racists or it’s red meat for the right as examples, it will naturally drive them towards the likes of Farage as he seems the only person that is taking their concerns seriously. Whatever party takes the leadership of the country, they need to understand and workout how to resolve the issues people are concerned about, and whether you like it or not illegal entry by migrants is right up there, along with health, law and order etc. Okay, so it's not your view that it's "only" the left? The right wing represents the interests of those with the £££. Wealthy individuals, and big corporations. They are much better funded, supported by a larger section of the media. So it's easy to see why the left have less to work with to advertise why voting for them would be good. As for the whole immigration thing, if the media, government and other parties were to stop forcing it down everyone's throats, maybe we'd be able to have a much better look at the situation. I don't think this is the fault of the left. Greens are the only national left party in this election. People don't need anyone to 'force it down their throats'. Go for a walk and you'll see it. Stop Burying your head.yes and no. On the debate garage linked NHS saying lists increasing by 40 plus per cent to immigration quoting 6m extra people. Now, that's 10pc of UK population. So only explains part. And that assumes that those coming in use the NHS as much as the average Brit. I'd guess probably not given how age dependant use it. It also ignores how much waiting lists are kept down to.just 40pc increase because of immigration. It's a part. For sure. But the issue is so much more. Yet immigration gets way more of the air time than everything else. (I am assuming here that by walk around and seeing it relates to state of out infrastructure and our standard of living, rather than look at the people's skin as it could have been read! I know that's not you, but it could be miss interpreted) It is illegal entry that is the real issue, controlled immigration not so much. It would be beneficial to all if politicians and political reporters refrained from grouping them together, it causes a lot of confusion and I think it lends itself to the mistrust that peoples concernsnot are being listened to. Legal migration to the UK 2023 = 1,200,000 Illegal migration to the UK 2023 = 40,000 But we wouldn't sit on our hands and look the other way if there were 40,000 serious assaults every year. Why do tolerate that level of illegality? Also, we sit on our hands and look the other way while 100,000 plus die while on NHS waiting lists, and 25,000 due to understaffing on wards. Maybe if we stopped focusing on immigration we would have time to look at the far more important things. Fully agree on NHS, it's a national disgrace. But I suspect our solutions would differ radically
If you can get a fully privatised NHS that provides a better level of care for the population, at an amount that is equal to or less than is spent now, than what is available now then I’ll listen, until then it’s a pointless discussion."I concede fully privatised is impractical. But I do think there's mileage in a hybrid system of public/private healthcare. Could it be any worse than now? | |||
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"Reform have nudged ahead of the Tories - in one poll at least. Once again Farage won the TV debate hands down per viewer polls. What's going on here? We can be confident the Great British public haven't taken a sharp right turn, so what's the driver? Two things, one - Farage can say whatever he likes because he knows he’ll never have to make good on it (like Brexit). Two - the debates don’t allow time to go into detail, which is a massive weakness for Farage. If you notice anytime he is pressed on detail he tries to change the subject or just starts laughing. Yes, Farage is a media pro and can manage a crowd, TV or otherwise. There again, he could well be an MP in a few weeks time with Reform as many seats as the Tories. I’m pretty sure Farage will be an MP, there’s no way he would stand if he thought he’d fail for the right time, the chances of Reform getting more seats than the Tories are slim to none, and slim’s left town. Yes, I think he'll be the Honourable Member for Clacton-on-Sea in the next parliament. A bad thing? Maybe a good thing to have a strong character in opposition to a large majority Labour government? A strong character is only good if they have something of value to add. Well it seems the electorate think he does judging from his enduring popularity. They can't ALL be knuckle dragging racists can they? No, of course not, some are just not paying attention, have absorbed the anti-immigrant, anti-foreigner, anti-islam rhetoric over the past couple of decades and think this charlatan with no answers, is the answer. The issue with your view is you are dismissing the fact people feel strongly about what you see as simple noise, it is that brushing under the carpet that will allow the very thing you despise to take power in the country. Can you explain? I asked somewhere else where you defended the claim that the only people to blame of the rise for the much further to the right gaining traction, is the left? People feel the left are not strong enough, or actually support many of the things they feel strongly about. When they hear someone dismiss their concerns as baiting the racists or it’s red meat for the right as examples, it will naturally drive them towards the likes of Farage as he seems the only person that is taking their concerns seriously. Whatever party takes the leadership of the country, they need to understand and workout how to resolve the issues people are concerned about, and whether you like it or not illegal entry by migrants is right up there, along with health, law and order etc. Okay, so it's not your view that it's "only" the left? The right wing represents the interests of those with the £££. Wealthy individuals, and big corporations. They are much better funded, supported by a larger section of the media. So it's easy to see why the left have less to work with to advertise why voting for them would be good. As for the whole immigration thing, if the media, government and other parties were to stop forcing it down everyone's throats, maybe we'd be able to have a much better look at the situation. I don't think this is the fault of the left. Greens are the only national left party in this election. People don't need anyone to 'force it down their throats'. Go for a walk and you'll see it. Stop Burying your head.yes and no. On the debate garage linked NHS saying lists increasing by 40 plus per cent to immigration quoting 6m extra people. Now, that's 10pc of UK population. So only explains part. And that assumes that those coming in use the NHS as much as the average Brit. I'd guess probably not given how age dependant use it. It also ignores how much waiting lists are kept down to.just 40pc increase because of immigration. It's a part. For sure. But the issue is so much more. Yet immigration gets way more of the air time than everything else. (I am assuming here that by walk around and seeing it relates to state of out infrastructure and our standard of living, rather than look at the people's skin as it could have been read! I know that's not you, but it could be miss interpreted) It is illegal entry that is the real issue, controlled immigration not so much. It would be beneficial to all if politicians and political reporters refrained from grouping them together, it causes a lot of confusion and I think it lends itself to the mistrust that peoples concernsnot are being listened to. Legal migration to the UK 2023 = 1,200,000 Illegal migration to the UK 2023 = 40,000 But we wouldn't sit on our hands and look the other way if there were 40,000 serious assaults every year. Why do tolerate that level of illegality? Because fleeing war and persecution is not the same as assaulting someone." I didn't realise France was currently a war torn country. | |||
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"Reform have nudged ahead of the Tories - in one poll at least. Once again Farage won the TV debate hands down per viewer polls. What's going on here? We can be confident the Great British public haven't taken a sharp right turn, so what's the driver? Two things, one - Farage can say whatever he likes because he knows he’ll never have to make good on it (like Brexit). Two - the debates don’t allow time to go into detail, which is a massive weakness for Farage. If you notice anytime he is pressed on detail he tries to change the subject or just starts laughing. Yes, Farage is a media pro and can manage a crowd, TV or otherwise. There again, he could well be an MP in a few weeks time with Reform as many seats as the Tories. I’m pretty sure Farage will be an MP, there’s no way he would stand if he thought he’d fail for the right time, the chances of Reform getting more seats than the Tories are slim to none, and slim’s left town. Yes, I think he'll be the Honourable Member for Clacton-on-Sea in the next parliament. A bad thing? Maybe a good thing to have a strong character in opposition to a large majority Labour government? A strong character is only good if they have something of value to add. Well it seems the electorate think he does judging from his enduring popularity. They can't ALL be knuckle dragging racists can they? No, of course not, some are just not paying attention, have absorbed the anti-immigrant, anti-foreigner, anti-islam rhetoric over the past couple of decades and think this charlatan with no answers, is the answer. The issue with your view is you are dismissing the fact people feel strongly about what you see as simple noise, it is that brushing under the carpet that will allow the very thing you despise to take power in the country. Can you explain? I asked somewhere else where you defended the claim that the only people to blame of the rise for the much further to the right gaining traction, is the left? People feel the left are not strong enough, or actually support many of the things they feel strongly about. When they hear someone dismiss their concerns as baiting the racists or it’s red meat for the right as examples, it will naturally drive them towards the likes of Farage as he seems the only person that is taking their concerns seriously. Whatever party takes the leadership of the country, they need to understand and workout how to resolve the issues people are concerned about, and whether you like it or not illegal entry by migrants is right up there, along with health, law and order etc. Okay, so it's not your view that it's "only" the left? The right wing represents the interests of those with the £££. Wealthy individuals, and big corporations. They are much better funded, supported by a larger section of the media. So it's easy to see why the left have less to work with to advertise why voting for them would be good. As for the whole immigration thing, if the media, government and other parties were to stop forcing it down everyone's throats, maybe we'd be able to have a much better look at the situation. I don't think this is the fault of the left. Greens are the only national left party in this election. People don't need anyone to 'force it down their throats'. Go for a walk and you'll see it. Stop Burying your head.yes and no. On the debate garage linked NHS saying lists increasing by 40 plus per cent to immigration quoting 6m extra people. Now, that's 10pc of UK population. So only explains part. And that assumes that those coming in use the NHS as much as the average Brit. I'd guess probably not given how age dependant use it. It also ignores how much waiting lists are kept down to.just 40pc increase because of immigration. It's a part. For sure. But the issue is so much more. Yet immigration gets way more of the air time than everything else. (I am assuming here that by walk around and seeing it relates to state of out infrastructure and our standard of living, rather than look at the people's skin as it could have been read! I know that's not you, but it could be miss interpreted) It is illegal entry that is the real issue, controlled immigration not so much. It would be beneficial to all if politicians and political reporters refrained from grouping them together, it causes a lot of confusion and I think it lends itself to the mistrust that peoples concernsnot are being listened to. Legal migration to the UK 2023 = 1,200,000 Illegal migration to the UK 2023 = 40,000 But we wouldn't sit on our hands and look the other way if there were 40,000 serious assaults every year. Why do tolerate that level of illegality? Also, we sit on our hands and look the other way while 100,000 plus die while on NHS waiting lists, and 25,000 due to understaffing on wards. Maybe if we stopped focusing on immigration we would have time to look at the far more important things. Fully agree on NHS, it's a national disgrace. But I suspect our solutions would differ radically
If you can get a fully privatised NHS that provides a better level of care for the population, at an amount that is equal to or less than is spent now, than what is available now then I’ll listen, until then it’s a pointless discussion."Both France and Germany have better systems delivering better outcomes. | |||
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"Reform have nudged ahead of the Tories - in one poll at least. Once again Farage won the TV debate hands down per viewer polls. What's going on here? We can be confident the Great British public haven't taken a sharp right turn, so what's the driver? Two things, one - Farage can say whatever he likes because he knows he’ll never have to make good on it (like Brexit). Two - the debates don’t allow time to go into detail, which is a massive weakness for Farage. If you notice anytime he is pressed on detail he tries to change the subject or just starts laughing. Yes, Farage is a media pro and can manage a crowd, TV or otherwise. There again, he could well be an MP in a few weeks time with Reform as many seats as the Tories. I’m pretty sure Farage will be an MP, there’s no way he would stand if he thought he’d fail for the right time, the chances of Reform getting more seats than the Tories are slim to none, and slim’s left town. Yes, I think he'll be the Honourable Member for Clacton-on-Sea in the next parliament. A bad thing? Maybe a good thing to have a strong character in opposition to a large majority Labour government? A strong character is only good if they have something of value to add. Well it seems the electorate think he does judging from his enduring popularity. They can't ALL be knuckle dragging racists can they? No, of course not, some are just not paying attention, have absorbed the anti-immigrant, anti-foreigner, anti-islam rhetoric over the past couple of decades and think this charlatan with no answers, is the answer. The issue with your view is you are dismissing the fact people feel strongly about what you see as simple noise, it is that brushing under the carpet that will allow the very thing you despise to take power in the country. Can you explain? I asked somewhere else where you defended the claim that the only people to blame of the rise for the much further to the right gaining traction, is the left? People feel the left are not strong enough, or actually support many of the things they feel strongly about. When they hear someone dismiss their concerns as baiting the racists or it’s red meat for the right as examples, it will naturally drive them towards the likes of Farage as he seems the only person that is taking their concerns seriously. Whatever party takes the leadership of the country, they need to understand and workout how to resolve the issues people are concerned about, and whether you like it or not illegal entry by migrants is right up there, along with health, law and order etc. Okay, so it's not your view that it's "only" the left? The right wing represents the interests of those with the £££. Wealthy individuals, and big corporations. They are much better funded, supported by a larger section of the media. So it's easy to see why the left have less to work with to advertise why voting for them would be good. As for the whole immigration thing, if the media, government and other parties were to stop forcing it down everyone's throats, maybe we'd be able to have a much better look at the situation. I don't think this is the fault of the left. Greens are the only national left party in this election. People don't need anyone to 'force it down their throats'. Go for a walk and you'll see it. Stop Burying your head.yes and no. On the debate garage linked NHS saying lists increasing by 40 plus per cent to immigration quoting 6m extra people. Now, that's 10pc of UK population. So only explains part. And that assumes that those coming in use the NHS as much as the average Brit. I'd guess probably not given how age dependant use it. It also ignores how much waiting lists are kept down to.just 40pc increase because of immigration. It's a part. For sure. But the issue is so much more. Yet immigration gets way more of the air time than everything else. (I am assuming here that by walk around and seeing it relates to state of out infrastructure and our standard of living, rather than look at the people's skin as it could have been read! I know that's not you, but it could be miss interpreted) It is illegal entry that is the real issue, controlled immigration not so much. It would be beneficial to all if politicians and political reporters refrained from grouping them together, it causes a lot of confusion and I think it lends itself to the mistrust that peoples concernsnot are being listened to. Legal migration to the UK 2023 = 1,200,000 Illegal migration to the UK 2023 = 40,000 But we wouldn't sit on our hands and look the other way if there were 40,000 serious assaults every year. Why do tolerate that level of illegality? Also, we sit on our hands and look the other way while 100,000 plus die while on NHS waiting lists, and 25,000 due to understaffing on wards. Maybe if we stopped focusing on immigration we would have time to look at the far more important things. Fully agree on NHS, it's a national disgrace. But I suspect our solutions would differ radically
If you can get a fully privatised NHS that provides a better level of care for the population, at an amount that is equal to or less than is spent now, than what is available now then I’ll listen, until then it’s a pointless discussion.
I concede fully privatised is impractical. But I do think there's mileage in a hybrid system of public/private healthcare. Could it be any worse than now?"Yes, once private healthcare companies get there feet under the table then NHS hospitals will stop providing certain services, they will need fewer staff etc. Private Healthcare will then wait until it’s not financially viable to transfer such services back to the NHS and tell the government they aren’t being paid enough to make it worth their while, threatening to withdraw from contracts unless they are paid more. They will act as one when they do it, because that’s how private healthcare works in this country. Any upstarts who try to fight the cartel don’t last long. | |||
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"Reform have nudged ahead of the Tories - in one poll at least. Once again Farage won the TV debate hands down per viewer polls. What's going on here? We can be confident the Great British public haven't taken a sharp right turn, so what's the driver? Two things, one - Farage can say whatever he likes because he knows he’ll never have to make good on it (like Brexit). Two - the debates don’t allow time to go into detail, which is a massive weakness for Farage. If you notice anytime he is pressed on detail he tries to change the subject or just starts laughing. Yes, Farage is a media pro and can manage a crowd, TV or otherwise. There again, he could well be an MP in a few weeks time with Reform as many seats as the Tories. I’m pretty sure Farage will be an MP, there’s no way he would stand if he thought he’d fail for the right time, the chances of Reform getting more seats than the Tories are slim to none, and slim’s left town. Yes, I think he'll be the Honourable Member for Clacton-on-Sea in the next parliament. A bad thing? Maybe a good thing to have a strong character in opposition to a large majority Labour government? A strong character is only good if they have something of value to add. Well it seems the electorate think he does judging from his enduring popularity. They can't ALL be knuckle dragging racists can they? No, of course not, some are just not paying attention, have absorbed the anti-immigrant, anti-foreigner, anti-islam rhetoric over the past couple of decades and think this charlatan with no answers, is the answer. The issue with your view is you are dismissing the fact people feel strongly about what you see as simple noise, it is that brushing under the carpet that will allow the very thing you despise to take power in the country. Can you explain? I asked somewhere else where you defended the claim that the only people to blame of the rise for the much further to the right gaining traction, is the left? People feel the left are not strong enough, or actually support many of the things they feel strongly about. When they hear someone dismiss their concerns as baiting the racists or it’s red meat for the right as examples, it will naturally drive them towards the likes of Farage as he seems the only person that is taking their concerns seriously. Whatever party takes the leadership of the country, they need to understand and workout how to resolve the issues people are concerned about, and whether you like it or not illegal entry by migrants is right up there, along with health, law and order etc. Okay, so it's not your view that it's "only" the left? The right wing represents the interests of those with the £££. Wealthy individuals, and big corporations. They are much better funded, supported by a larger section of the media. So it's easy to see why the left have less to work with to advertise why voting for them would be good. As for the whole immigration thing, if the media, government and other parties were to stop forcing it down everyone's throats, maybe we'd be able to have a much better look at the situation. I don't think this is the fault of the left. Greens are the only national left party in this election. People don't need anyone to 'force it down their throats'. Go for a walk and you'll see it. Stop Burying your head.yes and no. On the debate garage linked NHS saying lists increasing by 40 plus per cent to immigration quoting 6m extra people. Now, that's 10pc of UK population. So only explains part. And that assumes that those coming in use the NHS as much as the average Brit. I'd guess probably not given how age dependant use it. It also ignores how much waiting lists are kept down to.just 40pc increase because of immigration. It's a part. For sure. But the issue is so much more. Yet immigration gets way more of the air time than everything else. (I am assuming here that by walk around and seeing it relates to state of out infrastructure and our standard of living, rather than look at the people's skin as it could have been read! I know that's not you, but it could be miss interpreted) It is illegal entry that is the real issue, controlled immigration not so much. It would be beneficial to all if politicians and political reporters refrained from grouping them together, it causes a lot of confusion and I think it lends itself to the mistrust that peoples concernsnot are being listened to. Legal migration to the UK 2023 = 1,200,000 Illegal migration to the UK 2023 = 40,000 But we wouldn't sit on our hands and look the other way if there were 40,000 serious assaults every year. Why do tolerate that level of illegality? Also, we sit on our hands and look the other way while 100,000 plus die while on NHS waiting lists, and 25,000 due to understaffing on wards. Maybe if we stopped focusing on immigration we would have time to look at the far more important things. Fully agree on NHS, it's a national disgrace. But I suspect our solutions would differ radically
If you can get a fully privatised NHS that provides a better level of care for the population, at an amount that is equal to or less than is spent now, than what is available now then I’ll listen, until then it’s a pointless discussion.
Both France and Germany have better systems delivering better outcomes."They also spend a lot more on healthcare than we do. | |||
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"Reform have nudged ahead of the Tories - in one poll at least. Once again Farage won the TV debate hands down per viewer polls. What's going on here? We can be confident the Great British public haven't taken a sharp right turn, so what's the driver? Two things, one - Farage can say whatever he likes because he knows he’ll never have to make good on it (like Brexit). Two - the debates don’t allow time to go into detail, which is a massive weakness for Farage. If you notice anytime he is pressed on detail he tries to change the subject or just starts laughing. Yes, Farage is a media pro and can manage a crowd, TV or otherwise. There again, he could well be an MP in a few weeks time with Reform as many seats as the Tories. I’m pretty sure Farage will be an MP, there’s no way he would stand if he thought he’d fail for the right time, the chances of Reform getting more seats than the Tories are slim to none, and slim’s left town. Yes, I think he'll be the Honourable Member for Clacton-on-Sea in the next parliament. A bad thing? Maybe a good thing to have a strong character in opposition to a large majority Labour government? A strong character is only good if they have something of value to add. Well it seems the electorate think he does judging from his enduring popularity. They can't ALL be knuckle dragging racists can they? No, of course not, some are just not paying attention, have absorbed the anti-immigrant, anti-foreigner, anti-islam rhetoric over the past couple of decades and think this charlatan with no answers, is the answer. The issue with your view is you are dismissing the fact people feel strongly about what you see as simple noise, it is that brushing under the carpet that will allow the very thing you despise to take power in the country. Can you explain? I asked somewhere else where you defended the claim that the only people to blame of the rise for the much further to the right gaining traction, is the left? People feel the left are not strong enough, or actually support many of the things they feel strongly about. When they hear someone dismiss their concerns as baiting the racists or it’s red meat for the right as examples, it will naturally drive them towards the likes of Farage as he seems the only person that is taking their concerns seriously. Whatever party takes the leadership of the country, they need to understand and workout how to resolve the issues people are concerned about, and whether you like it or not illegal entry by migrants is right up there, along with health, law and order etc. Okay, so it's not your view that it's "only" the left? The right wing represents the interests of those with the £££. Wealthy individuals, and big corporations. They are much better funded, supported by a larger section of the media. So it's easy to see why the left have less to work with to advertise why voting for them would be good. As for the whole immigration thing, if the media, government and other parties were to stop forcing it down everyone's throats, maybe we'd be able to have a much better look at the situation. I don't think this is the fault of the left. Greens are the only national left party in this election. People don't need anyone to 'force it down their throats'. Go for a walk and you'll see it. Stop Burying your head.yes and no. On the debate garage linked NHS saying lists increasing by 40 plus per cent to immigration quoting 6m extra people. Now, that's 10pc of UK population. So only explains part. And that assumes that those coming in use the NHS as much as the average Brit. I'd guess probably not given how age dependant use it. It also ignores how much waiting lists are kept down to.just 40pc increase because of immigration. It's a part. For sure. But the issue is so much more. Yet immigration gets way more of the air time than everything else. (I am assuming here that by walk around and seeing it relates to state of out infrastructure and our standard of living, rather than look at the people's skin as it could have been read! I know that's not you, but it could be miss interpreted) It is illegal entry that is the real issue, controlled immigration not so much. It would be beneficial to all if politicians and political reporters refrained from grouping them together, it causes a lot of confusion and I think it lends itself to the mistrust that peoples concernsnot are being listened to. Legal migration to the UK 2023 = 1,200,000 Illegal migration to the UK 2023 = 40,000 But we wouldn't sit on our hands and look the other way if there were 40,000 serious assaults every year. Why do tolerate that level of illegality? Because fleeing war and persecution is not the same as assaulting someone. I didn't realise France was currently a war torn country." They aren’t fleeing France, they are passing through it. | |||
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"Reform have nudged ahead of the Tories - in one poll at least. Once again Farage won the TV debate hands down per viewer polls. What's going on here? We can be confident the Great British public haven't taken a sharp right turn, so what's the driver? Two things, one - Farage can say whatever he likes because he knows he’ll never have to make good on it (like Brexit). Two - the debates don’t allow time to go into detail, which is a massive weakness for Farage. If you notice anytime he is pressed on detail he tries to change the subject or just starts laughing. Yes, Farage is a media pro and can manage a crowd, TV or otherwise. There again, he could well be an MP in a few weeks time with Reform as many seats as the Tories. I’m pretty sure Farage will be an MP, there’s no way he would stand if he thought he’d fail for the right time, the chances of Reform getting more seats than the Tories are slim to none, and slim’s left town. Yes, I think he'll be the Honourable Member for Clacton-on-Sea in the next parliament. A bad thing? Maybe a good thing to have a strong character in opposition to a large majority Labour government? A strong character is only good if they have something of value to add. Well it seems the electorate think he does judging from his enduring popularity. They can't ALL be knuckle dragging racists can they? No, of course not, some are just not paying attention, have absorbed the anti-immigrant, anti-foreigner, anti-islam rhetoric over the past couple of decades and think this charlatan with no answers, is the answer. The issue with your view is you are dismissing the fact people feel strongly about what you see as simple noise, it is that brushing under the carpet that will allow the very thing you despise to take power in the country. Can you explain? I asked somewhere else where you defended the claim that the only people to blame of the rise for the much further to the right gaining traction, is the left? People feel the left are not strong enough, or actually support many of the things they feel strongly about. When they hear someone dismiss their concerns as baiting the racists or it’s red meat for the right as examples, it will naturally drive them towards the likes of Farage as he seems the only person that is taking their concerns seriously. Whatever party takes the leadership of the country, they need to understand and workout how to resolve the issues people are concerned about, and whether you like it or not illegal entry by migrants is right up there, along with health, law and order etc. Okay, so it's not your view that it's "only" the left? The right wing represents the interests of those with the £££. Wealthy individuals, and big corporations. They are much better funded, supported by a larger section of the media. So it's easy to see why the left have less to work with to advertise why voting for them would be good. As for the whole immigration thing, if the media, government and other parties were to stop forcing it down everyone's throats, maybe we'd be able to have a much better look at the situation. I don't think this is the fault of the left. Greens are the only national left party in this election. People don't need anyone to 'force it down their throats'. Go for a walk and you'll see it. Stop Burying your head.yes and no. On the debate garage linked NHS saying lists increasing by 40 plus per cent to immigration quoting 6m extra people. Now, that's 10pc of UK population. So only explains part. And that assumes that those coming in use the NHS as much as the average Brit. I'd guess probably not given how age dependant use it. It also ignores how much waiting lists are kept down to.just 40pc increase because of immigration. It's a part. For sure. But the issue is so much more. Yet immigration gets way more of the air time than everything else. (I am assuming here that by walk around and seeing it relates to state of out infrastructure and our standard of living, rather than look at the people's skin as it could have been read! I know that's not you, but it could be miss interpreted) It is illegal entry that is the real issue, controlled immigration not so much. It would be beneficial to all if politicians and political reporters refrained from grouping them together, it causes a lot of confusion and I think it lends itself to the mistrust that peoples concernsnot are being listened to. Legal migration to the UK 2023 = 1,200,000 Illegal migration to the UK 2023 = 40,000 But we wouldn't sit on our hands and look the other way if there were 40,000 serious assaults every year. Why do tolerate that level of illegality? Because fleeing war and persecution is not the same as assaulting someone. I didn't realise France was currently a war torn country. They aren’t fleeing France, they are passing through it." So it's inaccurate to describe them as fleeing. They have already fled and a current safe? | |||
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"26% of illegals crossing on boats are Albanian. Are they fleeing a war torn country as well?" Where did you get that figure from please? That's the only figure I can find but it's for the year ending June 2023.. | |||
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"26% of illegals crossing on boats are Albanian. Are they fleeing a war torn country as well? Where did you get that figure from please? That's the only figure I can find but it's for the year ending June 2023.." June 23 is the latest 'full year' figure. | |||
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"26% of illegals crossing on boats are Albanian. Are they fleeing a war torn country as well? Where did you get that figure from please? That's the only figure I can find but it's for the year ending June 2023.. June 23 is the latest 'full year' figure. " Yes, that's what I also read..
It was 16% in 2022 then the government paid them £1500 to voluntarily return,just wondering if the numbers are on the increase if it's a money earner..?
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"26% of illegals crossing on boats are Albanian. Are they fleeing a war torn country as well? Where did you get that figure from please? That's the only figure I can find but it's for the year ending June 2023.. Home office website year 2023" So the figure now might be different? Don't get me wrong I think it's a total piss take for Albanians to claim asylum and it's more to with organised crime possibly.. | |||
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"Reform have nudged ahead of the Tories - in one poll at least. Once again Farage won the TV debate hands down per viewer polls. What's going on here? We can be confident the Great British public haven't taken a sharp right turn, so what's the driver? Two things, one - Farage can say whatever he likes because he knows he’ll never have to make good on it (like Brexit). Two - the debates don’t allow time to go into detail, which is a massive weakness for Farage. If you notice anytime he is pressed on detail he tries to change the subject or just starts laughing. Yes, Farage is a media pro and can manage a crowd, TV or otherwise. There again, he could well be an MP in a few weeks time with Reform as many seats as the Tories. I’m pretty sure Farage will be an MP, there’s no way he would stand if he thought he’d fail for the right time, the chances of Reform getting more seats than the Tories are slim to none, and slim’s left town. Yes, I think he'll be the Honourable Member for Clacton-on-Sea in the next parliament. A bad thing? Maybe a good thing to have a strong character in opposition to a large majority Labour government? A strong character is only good if they have something of value to add. Well it seems the electorate think he does judging from his enduring popularity. They can't ALL be knuckle dragging racists can they? No, of course not, some are just not paying attention, have absorbed the anti-immigrant, anti-foreigner, anti-islam rhetoric over the past couple of decades and think this charlatan with no answers, is the answer. The issue with your view is you are dismissing the fact people feel strongly about what you see as simple noise, it is that brushing under the carpet that will allow the very thing you despise to take power in the country. Can you explain? I asked somewhere else where you defended the claim that the only people to blame of the rise for the much further to the right gaining traction, is the left? People feel the left are not strong enough, or actually support many of the things they feel strongly about. When they hear someone dismiss their concerns as baiting the racists or it’s red meat for the right as examples, it will naturally drive them towards the likes of Farage as he seems the only person that is taking their concerns seriously. Whatever party takes the leadership of the country, they need to understand and workout how to resolve the issues people are concerned about, and whether you like it or not illegal entry by migrants is right up there, along with health, law and order etc. Okay, so it's not your view that it's "only" the left? The right wing represents the interests of those with the £££. Wealthy individuals, and big corporations. They are much better funded, supported by a larger section of the media. So it's easy to see why the left have less to work with to advertise why voting for them would be good. As for the whole immigration thing, if the media, government and other parties were to stop forcing it down everyone's throats, maybe we'd be able to have a much better look at the situation. I don't think this is the fault of the left. Greens are the only national left party in this election. People don't need anyone to 'force it down their throats'. Go for a walk and you'll see it. Stop Burying your head.yes and no. On the debate garage linked NHS saying lists increasing by 40 plus per cent to immigration quoting 6m extra people. Now, that's 10pc of UK population. So only explains part. And that assumes that those coming in use the NHS as much as the average Brit. I'd guess probably not given how age dependant use it. It also ignores how much waiting lists are kept down to.just 40pc increase because of immigration. It's a part. For sure. But the issue is so much more. Yet immigration gets way more of the air time than everything else. (I am assuming here that by walk around and seeing it relates to state of out infrastructure and our standard of living, rather than look at the people's skin as it could have been read! I know that's not you, but it could be miss interpreted) It is illegal entry that is the real issue, controlled immigration not so much. It would be beneficial to all if politicians and political reporters refrained from grouping them together, it causes a lot of confusion and I think it lends itself to the mistrust that peoples concernsnot are being listened to. Legal migration to the UK 2023 = 1,200,000 Illegal migration to the UK 2023 = 40,000 But we wouldn't sit on our hands and look the other way if there were 40,000 serious assaults every year. Why do tolerate that level of illegality? Because fleeing war and persecution is not the same as assaulting someone. I didn't realise France was currently a war torn country. They aren’t fleeing France, they are passing through it. So it's inaccurate to describe them as fleeing. They have already fled and a current safe?" They’re fleeing from one place to seek asylum in another, France happens to be in the middle. When you go for a drink do you always stop at the first pub you see? | |||
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