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...the Leadership of the Conservatives?
He must be waying up his options this weekend....
Would he think he has made such a major mistake that handing over to someone vaguely sensible just might prevent total wipeout of the Tories?
Or is it all about himself?
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By *otMe66Man 3 weeks ago
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As bad as the incident is it will run out of steam by Tuesday, the public have short memories, but don’t worry we will be reminded by every party leader during interviews, no matter the question asked
He won’t resign, regardless of the outcry politicians have extremely thick skin |
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"As bad as the incident is it will run out of steam by Tuesday, the public have short memories, but don’t worry we will be reminded by every party leader during interviews, no matter the question asked
He won’t resign, regardless of the outcry politicians have extremely thick skin"
There is no time for him to resign and the process for a new leader to occur.
The only course I can see for the tories is to back him. If they were re-elected, they could fuck him over then.
This is merely another reason to avoid the tories. |
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I agree they are probably now stuck with him for another 25 days as we all are unfortunately.
He stands on a platform of being the trustworthy man with a plan whereas in practice his campaign has been a continuous series of calamities.
He has also taken the lead role, with very little support from any of the more visible members of his cabinet, and now appears to have gone into hiding.
Difficult to recover from this position but let's see....
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Early days yet, the feking election still has nigh on four more weeks..
Agree that the 'big beasts' of the Tories seem to be staying schtum but they might be lined up to contribute more, however for some him springing the date on them has it appears thrown a fair bit of confusion amongst them..
There's still time for gaffes from all sides but unless Starmer pushes David Attenborough off a bridge Sunak's run away from Normandy will take some topping.. |
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By *abioMan 3 weeks ago
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"As bad as the incident is it will run out of steam by Tuesday, the public have short memories, but don’t worry we will be reminded by every party leader during interviews, no matter the question asked
He won’t resign, regardless of the outcry politicians have extremely thick skin"
I don’t think this one will be one that people will forget honestly…
People didn’t forget Teresa May and the so called “dementia tax” when she tried to have a stab at social care
Gordon brown and the Gillian Duffy “abhorrent woman” hot mic moment….. |
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"As bad as the incident is it will run out of steam by Tuesday, the public have short memories, but don’t worry we will be reminded by every party leader during interviews, no matter the question asked
He won’t resign, regardless of the outcry politicians have extremely thick skin
I don’t think this one will be one that people will forget honestly…
People didn’t forget Teresa May and the so called “dementia tax” when she tried to have a stab at social care
Gordon brown and the Gillian Duffy “abhorrent woman” hot mic moment….."
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I think the correct line Gordon Brown used was 'bigoted woman'
Despite this technical 'faux pas', he remains the only labour politician I ever have respected, Mr. James Gordon Brown. Should have recieved a knighthood.
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In my view, because the choices are pretty dire, anyone who was on the margin of voting Tory, may now wash their hands of that idea without having to worry about the differences between policies or manifestos. |
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"Early days yet, the feking election still has nigh on four more weeks..
Agree that the 'big beasts' of the Tories seem to be staying schtum but they might be lined up to contribute more, however for some him springing the date on them has it appears thrown a fair bit of confusion amongst them..
There's still time for gaffes from all sides but unless Starmer pushes David Attenborough off a bridge Sunak's run away from Normandy will take some topping.."
I don’t think there are any ‘big beasts’ left in the Conservative Party, at least not among the MPs. The party has sunk so low since the likes of Heseltine and Clarke were banished to the back benches, and now when they speak of their party it’s with embarrassment over what it had become. |
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As much as Im not his biggest fan, there's no reason why Rishi Sunak should resign because he left D Day early, yes it was stupid and wrong for him to do it but MPs have done much worse and they're still in their jobs so not sure why people are making a big deal of it, move on |
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"As much as Im not his biggest fan, there's no reason why Rishi Sunak should resign because he left D Day early, yes it was stupid and wrong for him to do it but MPs have done much worse and they're still in their jobs so not sure why people are making a big deal of it, move on"
I do agree with you here.
Plenty of more reasons to criticise Sunak. No need to focus on this. |
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"As much as Im not his biggest fan, there's no reason why Rishi Sunak should resign because he left D Day early, yes it was stupid and wrong for him to do it but MPs have done much worse and they're still in their jobs so not sure why people are making a big deal of it, move on
I do agree with you here.
Plenty of more reasons to criticise Sunak. No need to focus on this."
True, but it does show how spectacularly awful the Conservative campaign is, and it was hilarious watching the Tory fan boys try to defend him, and then going very quiet.
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"As much as Im not his biggest fan, there's no reason why Rishi Sunak should resign because he left D Day early, yes it was stupid and wrong for him to do it but MPs have done much worse and they're still in their jobs so not sure why people are making a big deal of it, move on
I do agree with you here.
Plenty of more reasons to criticise Sunak. No need to focus on this.
True, but it does show how spectacularly awful the Conservative campaign is, and it was hilarious watching the Tory fan boys try to defend him, and then going very quiet.
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The whole point of this forum is to watch people arguing lost causes. 14 years of story rule has been great, Brexit was a good idea, Boris was a good PM, climate science isn't real, foreigners cause all the problems etc.
Some do it as an exercise in debate, and I'm sure some genuinely believe it. |
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"As much as Im not his biggest fan, there's no reason why Rishi Sunak should resign because he left D Day early, yes it was stupid and wrong for him to do it but MPs have done much worse and they're still in their jobs so not sure why people are making a big deal of it, move on
I do agree with you here.
Plenty of more reasons to criticise Sunak. No need to focus on this.
True, but it does show how spectacularly awful the Conservative campaign is, and it was hilarious watching the Tory fan boys try to defend him, and then going very quiet.
The whole point of this forum is to watch people arguing lost causes. 14 years of story rule has been great, Brexit was a good idea, Boris was a good PM, climate science isn't real, foreigners cause all the problems etc.
Some do it as an exercise in debate, and I'm sure some genuinely believe it. "
I'm sure it's just an oversight, but in the interest of balance you've missed a few old chestnuts. Brexit to blame for everything (even the weather), terrorists are gallant freedom fighters, shareholders to blame for sewage on beaches, director's bonuses cause starvation, profit and greed is disadvantaging our kids, private schools to blame for knife crime, NHS is a national institution, and Big Parma is killing all of us. |
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"As much as Im not his biggest fan, there's no reason why Rishi Sunak should resign because he left D Day early, yes it was stupid and wrong for him to do it but MPs have done much worse and they're still in their jobs so not sure why people are making a big deal of it, move on
I do agree with you here.
Plenty of more reasons to criticise Sunak. No need to focus on this.
True, but it does show how spectacularly awful the Conservative campaign is, and it was hilarious watching the Tory fan boys try to defend him, and then going very quiet.
The whole point of this forum is to watch people arguing lost causes. 14 years of story rule has been great, Brexit was a good idea, Boris was a good PM, climate science isn't real, foreigners cause all the problems etc.
Some do it as an exercise in debate, and I'm sure some genuinely believe it.
I'm sure it's just an oversight, but in the interest of balance you've missed a few old chestnuts. Brexit to blame for everything (even the weather), terrorists are gallant freedom fighters, shareholders to blame for sewage on beaches, director's bonuses cause starvation, profit and greed is disadvantaging our kids, private schools to blame for knife crime, NHS is a national institution, and Big Parma is killing all of us."
Haven't seen any of this.
The last one I assume is in the conspiracy theory (virus) section? |
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"As much as Im not his biggest fan, there's no reason why Rishi Sunak should resign because he left D Day early, yes it was stupid and wrong for him to do it but MPs have done much worse and they're still in their jobs so not sure why people are making a big deal of it, move on
I do agree with you here.
Plenty of more reasons to criticise Sunak. No need to focus on this."
However, hopefully this will reverse the oldies staple vote |
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"As much as Im not his biggest fan, there's no reason why Rishi Sunak should resign because he left D Day early, yes it was stupid and wrong for him to do it but MPs have done much worse and they're still in their jobs so not sure why people are making a big deal of it, move on
I do agree with you here.
Plenty of more reasons to criticise Sunak. No need to focus on this.
True, but it does show how spectacularly awful the Conservative campaign is, and it was hilarious watching the Tory fan boys try to defend him, and then going very quiet.
The whole point of this forum is to watch people arguing lost causes. 14 years of story rule has been great, Brexit was a good idea, Boris was a good PM, climate science isn't real, foreigners cause all the problems etc.
Some do it as an exercise in debate, and I'm sure some genuinely believe it. "
Something can be a good idea but spectacularly fail when those who carry it out have not got their hearts in it. Namely Brexit. |
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"As much as Im not his biggest fan, there's no reason why Rishi Sunak should resign because he left D Day early, yes it was stupid and wrong for him to do it but MPs have done much worse and they're still in their jobs so not sure why people are making a big deal of it, move on
I do agree with you here.
Plenty of more reasons to criticise Sunak. No need to focus on this.
True, but it does show how spectacularly awful the Conservative campaign is, and it was hilarious watching the Tory fan boys try to defend him, and then going very quiet.
The whole point of this forum is to watch people arguing lost causes. 14 years of story rule has been great, Brexit was a good idea, Boris was a good PM, climate science isn't real, foreigners cause all the problems etc.
Some do it as an exercise in debate, and I'm sure some genuinely believe it.
I'm sure it's just an oversight, but in the interest of balance you've missed a few old chestnuts. Brexit to blame for everything (even the weather), terrorists are gallant freedom fighters, shareholders to blame for sewage on beaches, director's bonuses cause starvation, profit and greed is disadvantaging our kids, private schools to blame for knife crime, NHS is a national institution, and Big Parma is killing all of us."
Parma Violets |
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"As much as Im not his biggest fan, there's no reason why Rishi Sunak should resign because he left D Day early, yes it was stupid and wrong for him to do it but MPs have done much worse and they're still in their jobs so not sure why people are making a big deal of it, move on
I do agree with you here.
Plenty of more reasons to criticise Sunak. No need to focus on this.
True, but it does show how spectacularly awful the Conservative campaign is, and it was hilarious watching the Tory fan boys try to defend him, and then going very quiet.
The whole point of this forum is to watch people arguing lost causes. 14 years of story rule has been great, Brexit was a good idea, Boris was a good PM, climate science isn't real, foreigners cause all the problems etc.
Some do it as an exercise in debate, and I'm sure some genuinely believe it.
I'm sure it's just an oversight, but in the interest of balance you've missed a few old chestnuts. Brexit to blame for everything (even the weather), terrorists are gallant freedom fighters, shareholders to blame for sewage on beaches, director's bonuses cause starvation, profit and greed is disadvantaging our kids, private schools to blame for knife crime, NHS is a national institution, and Big Parma is killing all of us.
Parma Violets "
Yes that too. Parma Violet Gin is a big thing apparently |
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"As much as Im not his biggest fan, there's no reason why Rishi Sunak should resign because he left D Day early, yes it was stupid and wrong for him to do it but MPs have done much worse and they're still in their jobs so not sure why people are making a big deal of it, move on
I do agree with you here.
Plenty of more reasons to criticise Sunak. No need to focus on this.
True, but it does show how spectacularly awful the Conservative campaign is, and it was hilarious watching the Tory fan boys try to defend him, and then going very quiet.
The whole point of this forum is to watch people arguing lost causes. 14 years of story rule has been great, Brexit was a good idea, Boris was a good PM, climate science isn't real, foreigners cause all the problems etc.
Some do it as an exercise in debate, and I'm sure some genuinely believe it.
Something can be a good idea but spectacularly fail when those who carry it out have not got their hearts in it. Namely Brexit."
Ermmmm. It's panned out pretty much exactly as predicted. We knew damage would be done economically, socially, and politically. But there never was any upside.
There are people still saying it was a good idea and that it's going well. There should be a shrug emoji. |
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So Sunak has been in bunker mode all weekend, apparently locked in discussions how to come back from his latest calamity, deserting the D-Day veterans and snubbing all those who organised the ceremonies and visited from a far.
Mel Stride forced to deny on live TV that Sunk was going to resign.
Sunk is apparently refusing to speak to unfriendly journalists whilst touring the South East today.
If this week the polls show Reform has overtaken the Tories it's going to be the third disastrous campaign week for Sunak.
And Suella is making her move for the leadership. Nothing like kicking a guy when he's down.... |
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"So Sunak has been in bunker mode all weekend, apparently locked in discussions how to come back from his latest calamity, deserting the D-Day veterans and snubbing all those who organised the ceremonies and visited from a far.
Mel Stride forced to deny on live TV that Sunk was going to resign.
Sunk is apparently refusing to speak to unfriendly journalists whilst touring the South East today.
If this week the polls show Reform has overtaken the Tories it's going to be the third disastrous campaign week for Sunak.
And Suella is making her move for the leadership. Nothing like kicking a guy when he's down...."
Tory in-fighting has played a major part in their demise. Everybody is fed-up to the back teeth with their squabbling. I can't see any ambitious potential leader wanting to take the reigns 4 weeks ahead of a drubbing in the GE. As for Reform, we've seen these fringe parties come and go in the past, they won't survive. The Tories will bounce back eventually after a term in opposition and the carnage we'll inevitably see from a Labour government. |
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By *irldnCouple 3 weeks ago
Brighton |
"So Sunak has been in bunker mode all weekend, apparently locked in discussions how to come back from his latest calamity, deserting the D-Day veterans and snubbing all those who organised the ceremonies and visited from a far.
Mel Stride forced to deny on live TV that Sunk was going to resign.
Sunk is apparently refusing to speak to unfriendly journalists whilst touring the South East today.
If this week the polls show Reform has overtaken the Tories it's going to be the third disastrous campaign week for Sunak.
And Suella is making her move for the leadership. Nothing like kicking a guy when he's down....
Tory in-fighting has played a major part in their demise. Everybody is fed-up to the back teeth with their squabbling. I can't see any ambitious potential leader wanting to take the reigns 4 weeks ahead of a drubbing in the GE. As for Reform, we've seen these fringe parties come and go in the past, they won't survive. The Tories will bounce back eventually after a term in opposition and the carnage we'll inevitably see from a Labour government."
I was going to give this a  until your last sentence. I really don’t think we can assume that. They will be inheriting a worse position than the coalition did in 2010. Anyone forming a govt is going to be hard pressed to make the numbers stack up while trying to deliver priorities. The only hope any govt really has is an upturn in the UK and World economy and then ride that wave to better corporation tax and VAT receipts. Generally (barring certain groups such as kids being punished for their parents paying for private school and saving taxpayers £8k a year) I honestly don’t think it could worse, just more of the same wearing a different rosette. |
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"So Sunak has been in bunker mode all weekend, apparently locked in discussions how to come back from his latest calamity, deserting the D-Day veterans and snubbing all those who organised the ceremonies and visited from a far.
Mel Stride forced to deny on live TV that Sunk was going to resign.
Sunk is apparently refusing to speak to unfriendly journalists whilst touring the South East today.
If this week the polls show Reform has overtaken the Tories it's going to be the third disastrous campaign week for Sunak.
And Suella is making her move for the leadership. Nothing like kicking a guy when he's down....
Tory in-fighting has played a major part in their demise. Everybody is fed-up to the back teeth with their squabbling. I can't see any ambitious potential leader wanting to take the reigns 4 weeks ahead of a drubbing in the GE. As for Reform, we've seen these fringe parties come and go in the past, they won't survive. The Tories will bounce back eventually after a term in opposition and the carnage we'll inevitably see from a Labour government.
I was going to give this a until your last sentence. I really don’t think we can assume that. They will be inheriting a worse position than the coalition did in 2010. Anyone forming a govt is going to be hard pressed to make the numbers stack up while trying to deliver priorities. The only hope any govt really has is an upturn in the UK and World economy and then ride that wave to better corporation tax and VAT receipts. Generally (barring certain groups such as kids being punished for their parents paying for private school and saving taxpayers £8k a year) I honestly don’t think it could worse, just more of the same wearing a different rosette."
I'd love to see our nation united and revitalised under a fresh Labour government, but I just can't see it. I don't think they have the calibre of politicians nor vision to pull it off. Worst case scenario is that Starmer gets pushed out be UNISON/Unite and the nation gets a socialist regime. |
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By *irldnCouple 3 weeks ago
Brighton |
"So Sunak has been in bunker mode all weekend, apparently locked in discussions how to come back from his latest calamity, deserting the D-Day veterans and snubbing all those who organised the ceremonies and visited from a far.
Mel Stride forced to deny on live TV that Sunk was going to resign.
Sunk is apparently refusing to speak to unfriendly journalists whilst touring the South East today.
If this week the polls show Reform has overtaken the Tories it's going to be the third disastrous campaign week for Sunak.
And Suella is making her move for the leadership. Nothing like kicking a guy when he's down....
Tory in-fighting has played a major part in their demise. Everybody is fed-up to the back teeth with their squabbling. I can't see any ambitious potential leader wanting to take the reigns 4 weeks ahead of a drubbing in the GE. As for Reform, we've seen these fringe parties come and go in the past, they won't survive. The Tories will bounce back eventually after a term in opposition and the carnage we'll inevitably see from a Labour government.
I was going to give this a until your last sentence. I really don’t think we can assume that. They will be inheriting a worse position than the coalition did in 2010. Anyone forming a govt is going to be hard pressed to make the numbers stack up while trying to deliver priorities. The only hope any govt really has is an upturn in the UK and World economy and then ride that wave to better corporation tax and VAT receipts. Generally (barring certain groups such as kids being punished for their parents paying for private school and saving taxpayers £8k a year) I honestly don’t think it could worse, just more of the same wearing a different rosette.
I'd love to see our nation united and revitalised under a fresh Labour government, but I just can't see it. I don't think they have the calibre of politicians nor vision to pull it off. Worst case scenario is that Starmer gets pushed out be UNISON/Unite and the nation gets a socialist regime."
I agree re calibre of politicians. Unless I am just becoming an old moaning git (don’t answer that ) then it does feel increasingly like kindergarten time when you see them debate or exchanges in HoC. It feels worse since 2016 IMO and even worse since 2019. |
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"In my view, because the choices are pretty dire, anyone who was on the margin of voting Tory, may now wash their hands of that idea without having to worry about the differences between policies or manifestos."
This in a nutshell. |
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"So Sunak has been in bunker mode all weekend, apparently locked in discussions how to come back from his latest calamity, deserting the D-Day veterans and snubbing all those who organised the ceremonies and visited from a far.
Mel Stride forced to deny on live TV that Sunk was going to resign.
Sunk is apparently refusing to speak to unfriendly journalists whilst touring the South East today.
If this week the polls show Reform has overtaken the Tories it's going to be the third disastrous campaign week for Sunak.
And Suella is making her move for the leadership. Nothing like kicking a guy when he's down...."
I did not think a campaign could go any worse than Theresa May's did but he seems to be having a good go at beating it. |
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".....I think the correct line Gordon Brown used was 'bigoted woman'
Despite this technical 'faux pas', he remains the only labour politician I ever have respected, Mr. James Gordon Brown. Should have recieved a knighthood.
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He was offered one. He declined due to his belief we should have an elected second chamber. |
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"So Sunak has been in bunker mode all weekend, apparently locked in discussions how to come back from his latest calamity, deserting the D-Day veterans and snubbing all those who organised the ceremonies and visited from a far.
Mel Stride forced to deny on live TV that Sunk was going to resign.
Sunk is apparently refusing to speak to unfriendly journalists whilst touring the South East today.
If this week the polls show Reform has overtaken the Tories it's going to be the third disastrous campaign week for Sunak.
And Suella is making her move for the leadership. Nothing like kicking a guy when he's down....
I did not think a campaign could go any worse than Theresa May's did but he seems to be having a good go at beating it."
So another week has gone by, Sunak's personal popularity is now lower than Bunter's and Corbyn's at their lowest point, but still higher than Lettuce Liz.
The betting scandal is growing a week after the news broke, with more Tories likely to be exposed. Sunak appears to be impotent in dealing with the cheats which will probably make the scandal worse for him.
Reform's share of the vote is growing according to the polls whilst Labour retains its 20 point lead over the Tories.
And this is the guy who told us he has a plan and the other guy doesn't.
Will he actually be able to survive the next two weeks? |
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".....I think the correct line Gordon Brown used was 'bigoted woman'
Despite this technical 'faux pas', he remains the only labour politician I ever have respected, Mr. James Gordon Brown. Should have recieved a knighthood.
He was offered one. He declined due to his belief we should have an elected second chamber."
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"Rishi will be lucky to retain his seat, much less be PM or even Tory leader. By Christmas he'll be on the beach in California and giving £1 mil. a pop after dinner speeches."
And publish a book about his life, and go on book signing tours with Liz Truss and Boris Johnson who have already published their books. |
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"Rishi will be lucky to retain his seat, much less be PM or even Tory leader. By Christmas he'll be on the beach in California and giving £1 mil. a pop after dinner speeches."
Christmas? More like mid-July as soon as his children's school has broken up for the summer holidays... |
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"Rishi will be lucky to retain his seat, much less be PM or even Tory leader. By Christmas he'll be on the beach in California and giving £1 mil. a pop after dinner speeches.
And publish a book about his life, and go on book signing tours with Liz Truss and Boris Johnson who have already published their books."
Isn’t that what all former Prime Ministers do, publish something and then go on a lecture tour, maximising the financial draw down on their previous position. |
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"Rishi will be lucky to retain his seat, much less be PM or even Tory leader. By Christmas he'll be on the beach in California and giving £1 mil. a pop after dinner speeches.
And publish a book about his life, and go on book signing tours with Liz Truss and Boris Johnson who have already published their books.
Isn’t that what all former Prime Ministers do, publish something and then go on a lecture tour, maximising the financial draw down on their previous position. "
Most of them yes, think recently Gordon Brown has taken a different route.. |
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I can’t see the toad resigning, especially as he would then have to either stand as an independent in his constituency, or leave his candidacy to run without him, which would end with only a few hundred votes. |
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I wonder how the drafting of Sunk's resignation speech is going.
Will it be humble, or shouty and aggressive? Will he continue to attack SKS?
Or will he attack the people who voted Reform? Will he blame Remain voters, Bunter, Lettuce Liz?
Perhaps he will do a Trump and claim he really won?
Given his aggression it will be amusing if it's humble, but looking forward the final draft lol. |
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He's already referred to Angela Rayner as "deputy Prime Minister" in an interview. They will claim he was talking about the hypothetical idea but we all know he's checked out.
I'm more curious about Lounge Lizard JRG, if he does hold onto his seat I can't see him enduring the ingnamy or being happy just dealing with constituency issues as a member of the opposition. He'll resign before too long I think. |
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"I wonder how the drafting of Sunk's resignation speech is going.
Will it be humble, or shouty and aggressive? Will he continue to attack SKS?
Or will he attack the people who voted Reform? Will he blame Remain voters, Bunter, Lettuce Liz?
Perhaps he will do a Trump and claim he really won?
Given his aggression it will be amusing if it's humble, but looking forward the final draft lol."
I can’t imagine he cares much. He’ll just get on with packing his bags for California and the next stage of his career. He’ll get a better deal out of the election than Starmer, who’s now got a load of shit to deal with and ten years of failure to look forward to. |
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By *irldnCouple 22 hours ago
Brighton |
"I wonder how the drafting of Sunk's resignation speech is going.
Will it be humble, or shouty and aggressive? Will he continue to attack SKS?
Or will he attack the people who voted Reform? Will he blame Remain voters, Bunter, Lettuce Liz?
Perhaps he will do a Trump and claim he really won?
Given his aggression it will be amusing if it's humble, but looking forward the final draft lol.
I can’t imagine he cares much. He’ll just get on with packing his bags for California and the next stage of his career. He’ll get a better deal out of the election than Starmer, who’s now got a load of shit to deal with and ten years of failure to look forward to."
Exactly, Rishi “It was fun playing at being PM for a bit but as I’ve run out of ideas of how to make myself and my mates richer I’m off to get the kids enrolled in school in the USA. But I’m alright Jack so long suckers!” Sunak and his Chancellor Jeremy “There’s no money, we gave it to all our cronies” Hunt will no doubt be laughing all the way to the bank. And people like you will laud them without realising the irony of how they spunked away your money yet you applaud them!
It is the footballisation of politics. Because they are your team they can do no wrong (like the worship of Truss). I would have been deafened by the outcry if Labour had been the Govt the last 5 years and behaved identically.
Sunak has been a disaster following on from the disaster that was Truss following on from the disaster that was Johnson following on from the indecisive weak May and the coward Cameron. The Conservatives are unrecognisable. I can’t even figure out what they are any more. Seems more like a front for a criminal gang!
But yeah, applaud them for leaving the mess and emptying the coffers, our coffers, our money |
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By *otMe66Man 22 hours ago
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"I wonder how the drafting of Sunk's resignation speech is going.
Will it be humble, or shouty and aggressive? Will he continue to attack SKS?
Or will he attack the people who voted Reform? Will he blame Remain voters, Bunter, Lettuce Liz?
Perhaps he will do a Trump and claim he really won?
Given his aggression it will be amusing if it's humble, but looking forward the final draft lol.
I can’t imagine he cares much. He’ll just get on with packing his bags for California and the next stage of his career. He’ll get a better deal out of the election than Starmer, who’s now got a load of shit to deal with and ten years of failure to look forward to.
Exactly, Rishi “It was fun playing at being PM for a bit but as I’ve run out of ideas of how to make myself and my mates richer I’m off to get the kids enrolled in school in the USA. But I’m alright Jack so long suckers!” Sunak and his Chancellor Jeremy “There’s no money, we gave it to all our cronies” Hunt will no doubt be laughing all the way to the bank. And people like you will laud them without realising the irony of how they spunked away your money yet you applaud them!
It is the footballisation of politics. Because they are your team they can do no wrong (like the worship of Truss). I would have been deafened by the outcry if Labour had been the Govt the last 5 years and behaved identically.
Sunak has been a disaster following on from the disaster that was Truss following on from the disaster that was Johnson following on from the indecisive weak May and the coward Cameron. The Conservatives are unrecognisable. I can’t even figure out what they are any more. Seems more like a front for a criminal gang!
But yeah, applaud them for leaving the mess and emptying the coffers, our coffers, our money "
I think it is really interesting how we can both read the same thing and come up with a completely different opinion on the tone.
I’m reading Sunak is off to California and couldn’t give a damn.
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By *otMe66Man 22 hours ago
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"Who knows when he’ll resign but I’ve enjoyed seeing all the Tory boys on here slowly try to distance themselves from the party they’ve supported as if destroyed the country to the extent the most insipid, uninspiring Labour Party ever is going to win a landslide."
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By *irldnCouple 21 hours ago
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"I wonder how the drafting of Sunk's resignation speech is going.
Will it be humble, or shouty and aggressive? Will he continue to attack SKS?
Or will he attack the people who voted Reform? Will he blame Remain voters, Bunter, Lettuce Liz?
Perhaps he will do a Trump and claim he really won?
Given his aggression it will be amusing if it's humble, but looking forward the final draft lol.
I can’t imagine he cares much. He’ll just get on with packing his bags for California and the next stage of his career. He’ll get a better deal out of the election than Starmer, who’s now got a load of shit to deal with and ten years of failure to look forward to.
Exactly, Rishi “It was fun playing at being PM for a bit but as I’ve run out of ideas of how to make myself and my mates richer I’m off to get the kids enrolled in school in the USA. But I’m alright Jack so long suckers!” Sunak and his Chancellor Jeremy “There’s no money, we gave it to all our cronies” Hunt will no doubt be laughing all the way to the bank. And people like you will laud them without realising the irony of how they spunked away your money yet you applaud them!
It is the footballisation of politics. Because they are your team they can do no wrong (like the worship of Truss). I would have been deafened by the outcry if Labour had been the Govt the last 5 years and behaved identically.
Sunak has been a disaster following on from the disaster that was Truss following on from the disaster that was Johnson following on from the indecisive weak May and the coward Cameron. The Conservatives are unrecognisable. I can’t even figure out what they are any more. Seems more like a front for a criminal gang!
But yeah, applaud them for leaving the mess and emptying the coffers, our coffers, our money
I think it is really interesting how we can both read the same thing and come up with a completely different opinion on the tone.
I’m reading Sunak is off to California and couldn’t give a damn.
Starmer is in a bad place because of the mess left behind by the tories."
My comment wasn’t really about the post but more about the general sentiment across multiple posts for weeks (under this profile) and months (under the other one).
And while it will be true that the Tories have left an absolute mess for Labour to deal with, it means all we are going to hear for the next 5 or 10 years is “it was the Tories fault” just like the last 14 years “it was Labour’s fault”. We need to break up this duopoly. Sick of it frankly. |
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What’s ‘looney’ about them?"
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You won’t have long to wait before the left wing gain control and the insipid, uninspiring labour government in power is dismantled."
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What’s ‘looney’ about them? they looking to have men who self identify as women to share private spaces with biological women. If you think thats a sensible idea then fine vote for it"
Actually they're not.
Have a look at what Starmer has been saying.
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Apparently only 40%, so does that count as most?"
40% of voters?
That isn't going to stop any duopoly. And the duopoly won't bring in any measures (PR) which harms themselves. Not enough people will vote for any party who offer it for one reason or another. |
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By *irldnCouple 21 hours ago
Brighton |
"But yet most of you will vote for this insipid, uninspiring and quite frankly looney Labour Party into power? Ok
Apparently only 40%, so does that count as most?
40% of voters?
That isn't going to stop any duopoly. And the duopoly won't bring in any measures (PR) which harms themselves. Not enough people will vote for any party who offer it for one reason or another. "
Only based on voting intention polls. As someone very wise who posts here but is conspicuously absent these days likes to tell us “only one poll actually matters”
Agree with everything else. The duopoly is what is wrong with politics. We need (but will not get) a system that introduces more variety of thought instead of the do then undo cycle we are perpetually in! |
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What’s ‘looney’ about them? they looking to have men who self identify as women to share private spaces with biological women. If you think thats a sensible idea then fine vote for it"
Are they? Do they intend to do something different to what is happening now? |
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"But yet most of you will vote for this insipid, uninspiring and quite frankly looney Labour Party into power? Ok
Apparently only 40%, so does that count as most?
40% of voters?
That isn't going to stop any duopoly. And the duopoly won't bring in any measures (PR) which harms themselves. Not enough people will vote for any party who offer it for one reason or another.
Only based on voting intention polls. As someone very wise who posts here but is conspicuously absent these days likes to tell us “only one poll actually matters”
Agree with everything else. The duopoly is what is wrong with politics. We need (but will not get) a system that introduces more variety of thought instead of the do then undo cycle we are perpetually in!"
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What’s ‘looney’ about them? they looking to have men who self identify as women to share private spaces with biological women. If you think thats a sensible idea then fine vote for it
Actually they're not.
Have a look at what Starmer has been saying.
By all means, don't vote Labour. But do it for real reasons. "
They are Johnny but vote for it if you want to |
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By *irldnCouple 21 hours ago
Brighton |
"But yet most of you will vote for this insipid, uninspiring and quite frankly looney Labour Party into power? Ok
Apparently only 40%, so does that count as most?
40% of voters?
That isn't going to stop any duopoly. And the duopoly won't bring in any measures (PR) which harms themselves. Not enough people will vote for any party who offer it for one reason or another.
Only based on voting intention polls. As someone very wise who posts here but is conspicuously absent these days likes to tell us “only one poll actually matters”
Agree with everything else. The duopoly is what is wrong with politics. We need (but will not get) a system that introduces more variety of thought instead of the do then undo cycle we are perpetually in!
There is more than one party offering PR. Is it worth the short-term pain?"
Well IMO yes we need PR. |
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What’s ‘looney’ about them? they looking to have men who self identify as women to share private spaces with biological women. If you think thats a sensible idea then fine vote for it
Actually they're not.
Have a look at what Starmer has been saying.
By all means, don't vote Labour. But do it for real reasons. They are Johnny but vote for it if you want to"
Starmer said yesterday trans women don't have the right to use female lavatories. As an example. It's been widely reported. Feel free to look it up.
I'm not voting Labour, there are 100s of actual reasons not to.
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"But yet most of you will vote for this insipid, uninspiring and quite frankly looney Labour Party into power? Ok
Apparently only 40%, so does that count as most?
40% of voters?
That isn't going to stop any duopoly. And the duopoly won't bring in any measures (PR) which harms themselves. Not enough people will vote for any party who offer it for one reason or another.
Only based on voting intention polls. As someone very wise who posts here but is conspicuously absent these days likes to tell us “only one poll actually matters”
Agree with everything else. The duopoly is what is wrong with politics. We need (but will not get) a system that introduces more variety of thought instead of the do then undo cycle we are perpetually in!
There is more than one party offering PR. Is it worth the short-term pain?
Well IMO yes we need PR."
Then all we can encourage is to vote for a party offering it. Likely the party that is 3rd in your area. |
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What’s ‘looney’ about them? they looking to have men who self identify as women to share private spaces with biological women. If you think thats a sensible idea then fine vote for it
Actually they're not.
Have a look at what Starmer has been saying.
By all means, don't vote Labour. But do it for real reasons. They are Johnny but vote for it if you want to
Starmer said yesterday trans women don't have the right to use female lavatories. As an example. It's been widely reported. Feel free to look it up.
I'm not voting Labour, there are 100s of actual reasons not to.
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"But yet most of you will vote for this insipid, uninspiring and quite frankly looney Labour Party into power? Ok
What’s ‘looney’ about them? they looking to have men who self identify as women to share private spaces with biological women. If you think thats a sensible idea then fine vote for it
Actually they're not.
Have a look at what Starmer has been saying.
By all means, don't vote Labour. But do it for real reasons. They are Johnny but vote for it if you want to
Starmer said yesterday trans women don't have the right to use female lavatories. As an example. It's been widely reported. Feel free to look it up.
I'm not voting Labour, there are 100s of actual reasons not to.
"
didnt quite say that despite the headline.
Men (and women) can use any toilet today, and it's social convention. And as someone said, who polices this anyway ?
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By *otMe66Man 20 hours ago
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"Who knows when he’ll resign but I’ve enjoyed seeing all the Tory boys on here slowly try to distance themselves from the party they’ve supported as if destroyed the country to the extent the most insipid, uninspiring Labour Party ever is going to win a landslide.
You won’t have long to wait before the left wing gain control and the insipid, uninspiring labour government in power is dismantled.
Is this in reference to the unions boogie man?"
No, it is a reference to the left wing elements of labour who will, I predict, push out the front man at the earliest opportunity. |
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What’s ‘looney’ about them? they looking to have men who self identify as women to share private spaces with biological women. If you think thats a sensible idea then fine vote for it
Actually they're not.
Have a look at what Starmer has been saying.
By all means, don't vote Labour. But do it for real reasons. They are Johnny but vote for it if you want to
Starmer said yesterday trans women don't have the right to use female lavatories. As an example. It's been widely reported. Feel free to look it up.
I'm not voting Labour, there are 100s of actual reasons not to.
The same Keir Starmer also said men can be women too and you can look that to if you dont believe me. "
He didn't. He stumbled on a question once.
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You won’t have long to wait before the left wing gain control and the insipid, uninspiring labour government in power is dismantled.
Is this in reference to the unions boogie man?
No, it is a reference to the left wing elements of labour who will, I predict, push out the front man at the earliest opportunity. "
Never going to happen, no real change will ever be allowed. |
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"But yet most of you will vote for this insipid, uninspiring and quite frankly looney Labour Party into power? Ok
What’s ‘looney’ about them? they looking to have men who self identify as women to share private spaces with biological women. If you think thats a sensible idea then fine vote for it
Actually they're not.
Have a look at what Starmer has been saying.
By all means, don't vote Labour. But do it for real reasons. They are Johnny but vote for it if you want to
Starmer said yesterday trans women don't have the right to use female lavatories. As an example. It's been widely reported. Feel free to look it up.
I'm not voting Labour, there are 100s of actual reasons not to.
didnt quite say that despite the headline.
Men (and women) can use any toilet today, and it's social convention. And as someone said, who polices this anyway ?
However he pointed out how the law works today. That's probably flumuxed many. "
It’s funny that the sort of people who want politicians to be honest with us jump on this sort of thing and completely twist what was said to fit their own narrative. Like when Starmer said that if he could he would stop work at 6pm on a Friday to spend time with his family to observe a traditional Jewish meal with them. All of a sudden it’s ‘Starmer is going to slack off’.
I’m not a particularly big fan of Starmer but it makes a mockery of people who say they want honest politicians. Since when did a politician wanting to spend a little time with their family when work allows become a bad thing? |
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You won’t have long to wait before the left wing gain control and the insipid, uninspiring labour government in power is dismantled.
Is this in reference to the unions boogie man?
No, it is a reference to the left wing elements of labour who will, I predict, push out the front man at the earliest opportunity. "
Who are the left wing elements of Labour? |
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By *otMe66Man 20 hours ago
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"Who knows when he’ll resign but I’ve enjoyed seeing all the Tory boys on here slowly try to distance themselves from the party they’ve supported as if destroyed the country to the extent the most insipid, uninspiring Labour Party ever is going to win a landslide.
You won’t have long to wait before the left wing gain control and the insipid, uninspiring labour government in power is dismantled.
Is this in reference to the unions boogie man?
No, it is a reference to the left wing elements of labour who will, I predict, push out the front man at the earliest opportunity.
Never going to happen, no real change will ever be allowed. "
Let’s pick this up 12 months from now, I think we will be looking at a different set of figure heads coming into the mix at that point.
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By *irldnCouple 20 hours ago
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"But yet most of you will vote for this insipid, uninspiring and quite frankly looney Labour Party into power? Ok
Apparently only 40%, so does that count as most?
40% of voters?
That isn't going to stop any duopoly. And the duopoly won't bring in any measures (PR) which harms themselves. Not enough people will vote for any party who offer it for one reason or another.
Only based on voting intention polls. As someone very wise who posts here but is conspicuously absent these days likes to tell us “only one poll actually matters”
Agree with everything else. The duopoly is what is wrong with politics. We need (but will not get) a system that introduces more variety of thought instead of the do then undo cycle we are perpetually in!
There is more than one party offering PR. Is it worth the short-term pain?
Well IMO yes we need PR.
Then all we can encourage is to vote for a party offering it. Likely the party that is 3rd in your area. "
Doing my best but the Lib Dems are so far behind the Conservatives and double that behind Labour (Peter Kyle is very popular) it will never happen.
However, a significant number of families have their kids in private school around here, so it will interesting to see if that has an impact on the champagne socialists! |
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Apparently only 40%, so does that count as most?
40% of voters?
That isn't going to stop any duopoly. And the duopoly won't bring in any measures (PR) which harms themselves. Not enough people will vote for any party who offer it for one reason or another.
Only based on voting intention polls. As someone very wise who posts here but is conspicuously absent these days likes to tell us “only one poll actually matters”
Agree with everything else. The duopoly is what is wrong with politics. We need (but will not get) a system that introduces more variety of thought instead of the do then undo cycle we are perpetually in!
There is more than one party offering PR. Is it worth the short-term pain?
Well IMO yes we need PR.
Then all we can encourage is to vote for a party offering it. Likely the party that is 3rd in your area.
Doing my best but the Lib Dems are so far behind the Conservatives and double that behind Labour (Peter Kyle is very popular) it will never happen.
However, a significant number of families have their kids in private school around here, so it will interesting to see if that has an impact on the champagne socialists!"
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You won’t have long to wait before the left wing gain control and the insipid, uninspiring labour government in power is dismantled.
Is this in reference to the unions boogie man?
No, it is a reference to the left wing elements of labour who will, I predict, push out the front man at the earliest opportunity.
Never going to happen, no real change will ever be allowed.
Let’s pick this up 12 months from now, I think we will be looking at a different set of figure heads coming into the mix at that point.
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By *uckurcumMan 20 hours ago
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Last night confirmed that the Tories have hit a new desperate low ....
Wheeling out Johnson ( remember the Brexit bus and the millions that would go into the NHS if you voted leave )then Sunak welcoming the Conservative family as being back together....the chanting for Boris before Sunak took to the stage ....
It's like a play on its last legs but still running in the face of criticism...
His wife definitely wants him to resign and is,likely to vote Labour to ensure they can jet of to California by Monday from a country she doesn't like that a
given ...
Roll on Friday then this whole shit show might've over ....
It's a poison chalice either way .... country is fuck** for generations 
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Boris stepping into the fray albeit at the death of what has been a poor campaign by his party even though they, well some of them knew the start date is only about Boris..
Which is the norm..
He's distanced himself from any association from Sunak's gaffes and might now say ' my friends I had to come back to save us'..
He's like a scavenger who has arrived to pick what's left and to keep his profile with those who despite the incompetence and toxicity he has as part of his psyche relevant..
But he'll only step back in if he can profit and feed his ego from being at the helm or to disrupt..
He literally is the last thing the Tories need but his popularity as bizarre as that is given his record is still there with some who can't move on from there being no Margaret anymore.. |
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You won’t have long to wait before the left wing gain control and the insipid, uninspiring labour government in power is dismantled.
Is this in reference to the unions boogie man?
No, it is a reference to the left wing elements of labour who will, I predict, push out the front man at the earliest opportunity. "
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By *otMe66Man 19 hours ago
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"Who knows when he’ll resign but I’ve enjoyed seeing all the Tory boys on here slowly try to distance themselves from the party they’ve supported as if destroyed the country to the extent the most insipid, uninspiring Labour Party ever is going to win a landslide.
You won’t have long to wait before the left wing gain control and the insipid, uninspiring labour government in power is dismantled.
Is this in reference to the unions boogie man?
No, it is a reference to the left wing elements of labour who will, I predict, push out the front man at the earliest opportunity.
I see Suella Braverman is already writing Sunk's epitaph, and the destruction of The Tory party has begun, and you predict a Labour PM with a massive majority will be pushed out. Not going to happen "
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You won’t have long to wait before the left wing gain control and the insipid, uninspiring labour government in power is dismantled.
Is this in reference to the unions boogie man?
No, it is a reference to the left wing elements of labour who will, I predict, push out the front man at the earliest opportunity.
I see Suella Braverman is already writing Sunk's epitaph, and the destruction of The Tory party has begun, and you predict a Labour PM with a massive majority will be pushed out. Not going to happen
Not pushed out of power, I'm saying Starmer will be replaced by a more left wing leader. "
Won't happen in my opinion, the 'left, left' in the party have accepted that Corbynism is great in theory but as Blair did the centre is the only way to achieve a Labour government..
Pragmatism will overrule ideology and Starmer for all his faults has showed he's prepared to kick out those who don't follow the path..
Will there be moments when the Tory graph and mail etc have shouty front pages, yes if course they will but for a while yet the discipline they've shown will remain.. |
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By *otMe66Man 19 hours ago
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"Who knows when he’ll resign but I’ve enjoyed seeing all the Tory boys on here slowly try to distance themselves from the party they’ve supported as if destroyed the country to the extent the most insipid, uninspiring Labour Party ever is going to win a landslide.
You won’t have long to wait before the left wing gain control and the insipid, uninspiring labour government in power is dismantled.
Is this in reference to the unions boogie man?
No, it is a reference to the left wing elements of labour who will, I predict, push out the front man at the earliest opportunity.
I see Suella Braverman is already writing Sunk's epitaph, and the destruction of The Tory party has begun, and you predict a Labour PM with a massive majority will be pushed out. Not going to happen
Not pushed out of power, I'm saying Starmer will be replaced by a more left wing leader.
Won't happen in my opinion, the 'left, left' in the party have accepted that Corbynism is great in theory but as Blair did the centre is the only way to achieve a Labour government..
Pragmatism will overrule ideology and Starmer for all his faults has showed he's prepared to kick out those who don't follow the path..
Will there be moments when the Tory graph and mail etc have shouty front pages, yes if course they will but for a while yet the discipline they've shown will remain.."
I'm not convinced, Rayner has shown signs of defiance already and they haven't got the keys yet.
This is obviously my personal opinion, but I can't see a moderate labour government under Starmer surviving an internal challenge.
In the run up to the election and to paint a picture of we are not old labour, he hit the brief, but he has made a lot of enemies internally as he went about purging. |
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"Who knows when he’ll resign but I’ve enjoyed seeing all the Tory boys on here slowly try to distance themselves from the party they’ve supported as if destroyed the country to the extent the most insipid, uninspiring Labour Party ever is going to win a landslide.
You won’t have long to wait before the left wing gain control and the insipid, uninspiring labour government in power is dismantled.
Is this in reference to the unions boogie man?
No, it is a reference to the left wing elements of labour who will, I predict, push out the front man at the earliest opportunity.
I see Suella Braverman is already writing Sunk's epitaph, and the destruction of The Tory party has begun, and you predict a Labour PM with a massive majority will be pushed out. Not going to happen
Not pushed out of power, I'm saying Starmer will be replaced by a more left wing leader.
Won't happen in my opinion, the 'left, left' in the party have accepted that Corbynism is great in theory but as Blair did the centre is the only way to achieve a Labour government..
Pragmatism will overrule ideology and Starmer for all his faults has showed he's prepared to kick out those who don't follow the path..
Will there be moments when the Tory graph and mail etc have shouty front pages, yes if course they will but for a while yet the discipline they've shown will remain..
I'm not convinced, Rayner has shown signs of defiance already and they haven't got the keys yet.
This is obviously my personal opinion, but I can't see a moderate labour government under Starmer surviving an internal challenge.
In the run up to the election and to paint a picture of we are not old labour, he hit the brief, but he has made a lot of enemies internally as he went about purging."
Time will tell..
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"Who knows when he’ll resign but I’ve enjoyed seeing all the Tory boys on here slowly try to distance themselves from the party they’ve supported as if destroyed the country to the extent the most insipid, uninspiring Labour Party ever is going to win a landslide.
You won’t have long to wait before the left wing gain control and the insipid, uninspiring labour government in power is dismantled.
Is this in reference to the unions boogie man?
No, it is a reference to the left wing elements of labour who will, I predict, push out the front man at the earliest opportunity.
I see Suella Braverman is already writing Sunk's epitaph, and the destruction of The Tory party has begun, and you predict a Labour PM with a massive majority will be pushed out. Not going to happen
Not pushed out of power, I'm saying Starmer will be replaced by a more left wing leader.
Won't happen in my opinion, the 'left, left' in the party have accepted that Corbynism is great in theory but as Blair did the centre is the only way to achieve a Labour government..
Pragmatism will overrule ideology and Starmer for all his faults has showed he's prepared to kick out those who don't follow the path..
Will there be moments when the Tory graph and mail etc have shouty front pages, yes if course they will but for a while yet the discipline they've shown will remain..
I'm not convinced, Rayner has shown signs of defiance already and they haven't got the keys yet.
This is obviously my personal opinion, but I can't see a moderate labour government under Starmer surviving an internal challenge.
In the run up to the election and to paint a picture of we are not old labour, he hit the brief, but he has made a lot of enemies internally as he went about purging."
Never happened under the last Labour government, why should it happen now?
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By *irldnCouple 17 hours ago
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"Sunak will not resign, he is way too full of himself."
I really think he will. His stint has been a failed experiment for him and his family. Too much scrutiny and probably not sufficient legislative change to really benefit him and his for years to come. Time to get out of politics and get back to earning real money again, away from the prying cameras. |
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By *otMe66Man 16 hours ago
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"Sunak will not resign, he is way too full of himself."
I think he will, if he retained his seat he might be sitting very close to Ed and Farage, talking about irrelevant outcomes.
Not the same as holding the keys to the country is it |
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"Sunak will not resign, he is way too full of himself.
I really think he will. His stint has been a failed experiment for him and his family. Too much scrutiny and probably not sufficient legislative change to really benefit him and his for years to come. Time to get out of politics and get back to earning real money again, away from the prying cameras."
Agree that he will resign rather than the inevitable ignominy of being forced out a la Boris..
Whether he resigns as an MP I'm not sure but after what he's tried to do and had to deal with in his party I'm not sure i would blame him for walking fully.. |
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By *irldnCouple 12 hours ago
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"But yet most of you will vote for this insipid, uninspiring and quite frankly looney Labour Party into power? Ok
Apparently only 40%, so does that count as most?
40% of voters?
That isn't going to stop any duopoly. And the duopoly won't bring in any measures (PR) which harms themselves. Not enough people will vote for any party who offer it for one reason or another.
Only based on voting intention polls. As someone very wise who posts here but is conspicuously absent these days likes to tell us “only one poll actually matters”
Agree with everything else. The duopoly is what is wrong with politics. We need (but will not get) a system that introduces more variety of thought instead of the do then undo cycle we are perpetually in!
There is more than one party offering PR. Is it worth the short-term pain?
Well IMO yes we need PR.
Then all we can encourage is to vote for a party offering it. Likely the party that is 3rd in your area.
Doing my best but the Lib Dems are so far behind the Conservatives and double that behind Labour (Peter Kyle is very popular) it will never happen.
However, a significant number of families have their kids in private school around here, so it will interesting to see if that has an impact on the champagne socialists!
I thought the Greens were the ones for Brighton (Pavilion and Kemptown)?"
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"Sunak will not resign, he is way too full of himself.
I really think he will. His stint has been a failed experiment for him and his family. Too much scrutiny and probably not sufficient legislative change to really benefit him and his for years to come. Time to get out of politics and get back to earning real money again, away from the prying cameras.
Agree that he will resign rather than the inevitable ignominy of being forced out a la Boris..
Whether he resigns as an MP I'm not sure but after what he's tried to do and had to deal with in his party I'm not sure i would blame him for walking fully.. "
hope he as a pension poor bugger don’t want him to struggle with heat or eat over the winter |
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"Sunak will not resign, he is way too full of himself.
I really think he will. His stint has been a failed experiment for him and his family. Too much scrutiny and probably not sufficient legislative change to really benefit him and his for years to come. Time to get out of politics and get back to earning real money again, away from the prying cameras.
Agree that he will resign rather than the inevitable ignominy of being forced out a la Boris..
Whether he resigns as an MP I'm not sure but after what he's tried to do and had to deal with in his party I'm not sure i would blame him for walking fully.. hope he as a pension poor bugger don’t want him to struggle with heat or eat over the winter "
He wasn't struggling before he went into politics, the threads about what he might do politically after tomorrow.. |
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"Sunak will not resign, he is way too full of himself.
I really think he will. His stint has been a failed experiment for him and his family. Too much scrutiny and probably not sufficient legislative change to really benefit him and his for years to come. Time to get out of politics and get back to earning real money again, away from the prying cameras.
Agree that he will resign rather than the inevitable ignominy of being forced out a la Boris..
Whether he resigns as an MP I'm not sure but after what he's tried to do and had to deal with in his party I'm not sure i would blame him for walking fully.. hope he as a pension poor bugger don’t want him to struggle with heat or eat over the winter
He wasn't struggling before he went into politics, the threads about what he might do politically after tomorrow.."
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"But yet most of you will vote for this insipid, uninspiring and quite frankly looney Labour Party into power? Ok
Apparently only 40%, so does that count as most?
40% of voters?
That isn't going to stop any duopoly. And the duopoly won't bring in any measures (PR) which harms themselves. Not enough people will vote for any party who offer it for one reason or another.
Only based on voting intention polls. As someone very wise who posts here but is conspicuously absent these days likes to tell us “only one poll actually matters”
Agree with everything else. The duopoly is what is wrong with politics. We need (but will not get) a system that introduces more variety of thought instead of the do then undo cycle we are perpetually in!
There is more than one party offering PR. Is it worth the short-term pain?
Well IMO yes we need PR.
Then all we can encourage is to vote for a party offering it. Likely the party that is 3rd in your area.
Doing my best but the Lib Dems are so far behind the Conservatives and double that behind Labour (Peter Kyle is very popular) it will never happen.
However, a significant number of families have their kids in private school around here, so it will interesting to see if that has an impact on the champagne socialists!
I thought the Greens were the ones for Brighton (Pavilion and Kemptown)?
I only live in Brighton for Fab purposes "
Got it.
I now know where you live though |
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By *irldnCouple 10 hours ago
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"But yet most of you will vote for this insipid, uninspiring and quite frankly looney Labour Party into power? Ok
Apparently only 40%, so does that count as most?
40% of voters?
That isn't going to stop any duopoly. And the duopoly won't bring in any measures (PR) which harms themselves. Not enough people will vote for any party who offer it for one reason or another.
Only based on voting intention polls. As someone very wise who posts here but is conspicuously absent these days likes to tell us “only one poll actually matters”
Agree with everything else. The duopoly is what is wrong with politics. We need (but will not get) a system that introduces more variety of thought instead of the do then undo cycle we are perpetually in!
There is more than one party offering PR. Is it worth the short-term pain?
Well IMO yes we need PR.
Then all we can encourage is to vote for a party offering it. Likely the party that is 3rd in your area.
Doing my best but the Lib Dems are so far behind the Conservatives and double that behind Labour (Peter Kyle is very popular) it will never happen.
However, a significant number of families have their kids in private school around here, so it will interesting to see if that has an impact on the champagne socialists!
I thought the Greens were the ones for Brighton (Pavilion and Kemptown)?
I only live in Brighton for Fab purposes
Got it.
I now know where you live though "
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"But yet most of you will vote for this insipid, uninspiring and quite frankly looney Labour Party into power? Ok
What’s ‘looney’ about them? they looking to have men who self identify as women to share private spaces with biological women. If you think thats a sensible idea then fine vote for it"
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"But yet most of you will vote for this insipid, uninspiring and quite frankly looney Labour Party into power? Ok
What’s ‘looney’ about them? they looking to have men who self identify as women to share private spaces with biological women. If you think thats a sensible idea then fine vote for it
Actually they're not.
Have a look at what Starmer has been saying.
By all means, don't vote Labour. But do it for real reasons. They are Johnny but vote for it if you want to
Starmer said yesterday trans women don't have the right to use female lavatories. As an example. It's been widely reported. Feel free to look it up.
I'm not voting Labour, there are 100s of actual reasons not to.
The same Keir Starmer also said men can be women too and you can look that to if you dont believe me.
He didn't. He stumbled on a question once.
I guess if that's enough for you, fair enough. Just seems like a silly reason to tout for not voting Labour. What politician has never stumbled on a question?"
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Apparently CCHQ is insisting Sunak sings a resignation song instead of speech. The words go like this:
...all my bags are packed
I'm ready to go
I'm standin' here outside your door
I hate to wake you up to say goodbye
But the dawn is breakin'
It's early morn
The taxi's waitin'
He's blowin' his horn
Already I'm so lonesome
I could die...
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