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"Just like his bitch arse sister Netanyahu(Mileikowsky), Zelensky says he is against stopping the war, a ceasefire will only be a pause before more war. Bro hates his peoples life "The leaders are just puppets mate. War makes a lot of money for already rich, powerful people. They ain't going to let the gravt train stop anytime soon. The elected leaders are there to do their bidding, simple. If people really wanted to most situations could be settled politically. But then who would they sell their weapons to. | |||
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"Go tell it to Hamas mate "Right…so Khamas is fighting in Ukraine  | |||
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"Go tell it to Hamas mate
Right…so Khamas is fighting in Ukraine "And don’t call me mate. Creepy | |||
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"Go tell it to Hamas mate
Right…so Khamas is fighting in Ukraine "The point being made was (probably) why do you expect Zelenskyy to stop fighting, when you don't expect Hamas to do the same (surrender, or at least agree to Israel's terms), in order for their people (of Gaza) to stop dying. | |||
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"Go tell it to Hamas mate
Right…so Khamas is fighting in Ukraine
The point being made was (probably) why do you expect Zelenskyy to stop fighting, when you don't expect Hamas to do the same (surrender, or at least agree to Israel's terms), in order for their people (of Gaza) to stop dying."What make you think that I don’t expect Khamas to agree a ceasefire 
Corrupt Zelensky is getting billions off it. He is agreeing to ceasefire would mean no more money. And no more money means no more casinos. | |||
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"Do you think the Israel people should be able to live in peace without the fear of a terrorist organisation attacking them? Do you think it’s wrong for them to fight back after being attacked or should they just sit back and take it? As far as I’m concerned, the bully is getting bullied, and they have fled and are hiding while the innocent take the beating on their behalf and their stupid religion allows it to happen. Muslims all over the world condemn Israel but I’ve not heard and say a bad word about the terrorist that started all this." Most of the Islamic countries around the region have death penalty for gays and treat women like shit. If the West even talks about it, they tell "This is our culture. The West should mind their own business. They shouldn't interfere in our issues." When they get fucked by Israel because the terrorists among them attacked Israel, they suddenly want the West to interfere and stop Israel. | |||
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"Go tell it to Hamas mate
Right…so Khamas is fighting in Ukraine
The point being made was (probably) why do you expect Zelenskyy to stop fighting, when you don't expect Hamas to do the same (surrender, or at least agree to Israel's terms), in order for their people (of Gaza) to stop dying.
What make you think that I don’t expect Khamas to agree a ceasefire
Corrupt Zelensky is getting billions off it. He is agreeing to ceasefire would mean no more money. And no more money means no more casinos. "Doesn't look like they're building many new casino's in Ukraine or have I missed it? | |||
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"Go tell it to Hamas mate
Right…so Khamas is fighting in Ukraine
The point being made was (probably) why do you expect Zelenskyy to stop fighting, when you don't expect Hamas to do the same (surrender, or at least agree to Israel's terms), in order for their people (of Gaza) to stop dying.
What make you think that I don’t expect Khamas to agree a ceasefire
Corrupt Zelensky is getting billions off it. He is agreeing to ceasefire would mean no more money. And no more money means no more casinos.
Doesn't look like they're building many new casino's in Ukraine or have I missed it?"Zelensky rode to power on pledges to clean up the Eastern European country, but the Pandora Papers reveal he and his close circle were the beneficiaries of a network of offshore companies, including some that owned millions of pounds worth expensive London properties. He owns luxury yachts and private jet, In addition to $ 11 million dollar in Netflix and $60 million of shares in companies like Saudi Aramco, Meta and Tesla. He is also beneficiary of a web of offshore firms that received $41 million in funds from Kolomoisky’s Privatbank. Man is raking it | |||
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"Still don't get how the world hasn't come together to rid our planet of Terrorism. Hamas is just one Terrorist group that need to be demolished. Good to hear that the IDF recovered 4 hostages seemingly unharmed in Gaza. That in itself is a miracle as Hamas are ruthless killers so something is scaring the hell out of them. Just so terrible Hamas are happily putting their own people in front of them to shield their own disgusting lives." In your view what are Hamas terrorists and the IDF aren't? | |||
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"Just watched on ITV someone saying there are Hamas soldiers in Israeli prisons being murdered by Israeli prison authorities lol. Son of Hamas Co-Founder explains what happens in those Israeli prisons. The murder, torture and brutal beatings were done by other Hamas jailed in the same prison to scare their own people into not talking with Israel." Lolz all round at prisoners being murdered. | |||
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"Just watched on ITV someone saying there are Hamas soldiers in Israeli prisons being murdered by Israeli prison authorities lol. Son of Hamas Co-Founder explains what happens in those Israeli prisons. The murder, torture and brutal beatings were done by other Hamas jailed in the same prison to scare their own people into not talking with Israel." Son of Hamas founder Sheikh Hassan Yousef, Mosab Hassan Yousef. A very brave sole and I would imagine fearing for his own life now that he is explaining what Hamas is and how brutally horrific they are. | |||
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"Just watched on ITV someone saying there are Hamas soldiers in Israeli prisons being murdered by Israeli prison authorities lol. Son of Hamas Co-Founder explains what happens in those Israeli prisons. The murder, torture and brutal beatings were done by other Hamas jailed in the same prison to scare their own people into not talking with Israel. Son of Hamas founder Sheikh Hassan Yousef, Mosab Hassan Yousef. A very brave sole and I would imagine fearing for his own life now that he is explaining what Hamas is and how brutally horrific they are." Anyways, maybe you fancy having a go at the simple question I asked. In your view why are Hamas terrorists and the IDF aren't? | |||
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"Agreed. Best to get rid of all Terrorists like Hamas. Eliminate them from our planet" Including IDF? | |||
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"Good news that 4 Israeli hostages have been found alive Less so that a United Nations school was bombed this week killing 35/40 children. " Another terrorist action by the IDF terrorists. If Khamas were holding these Israelis they would have killed them once the IDF attacked, just another excuse to kill over 200 innocent Palestinians. War criminals | |||
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"Still don't get how the world hasn't come together to rid our planet of Terrorism. Hamas is just one Terrorist group that need to be demolished. Good to hear that the IDF recovered 4 hostages seemingly unharmed in Gaza. That in itself is a miracle as Hamas are ruthless killers so something is scaring the hell out of them. Just so terrible Hamas are happily putting their own people in front of them to shield their own disgusting lives." I suggest you read about the last 75 and Palestine. If you do that, I would be interested to know if you still think this is all about October 7th. | |||
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"Just like his bitch arse sister Netanyahu(Mileikowsky), Zelensky says he is against stopping the war, a ceasefire will only be a pause before more war. Bro hates his peoples life "Should start a war in the first place . | |||
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"I suggest you read about the last 75 and Palestine. If you do that, I would be interested to know if you still think this is all about October 7th. " I've never lived there so can't speak for any personal experience over there. Ever since I became very good friends with an Israeli Arab guy whose family still live in Israel. He left to go to work in Germany and then on to Oz where he and I worked together for many years. When anyone asked him if he was a Palestinian due to the fact he was Arab, he would laugh and ask them 'What is a Palestinian'... He said there is no such thing, it was a name given by the Romans when they went into that whole area to kill the Jews. No idea how true that is but have looked it up a few times and it seems he is right. He always answered back saying NO I'm an Arab. When this all kicked off in October, I called him to see if his family were ok. Fortunately they all lived in the North of Israel and all ok. He was repulsed by what Hamas had done but said it's exactly the sort of thing they would do. Barbaric, murderous thugs. He and his family all said that Israel had no choice but to go in and annihilate Hamas. Not sure if you have heard of Mosab Hassan Yousef, his father was one of the Hamas co founders and has a lot to say about Hamas being barbaric Terrorists. You should look him up on YouTube. I think you will start to understand the reality of what Hamas is and how they use innocent civilians (Men, Women and Children) as human shields. Which, by the way, I do have a lot of terrible personal experience of. Not Hamas but other Terrorists with the same tactics as used by Hamas. | |||
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"The greatest sadness it that the innocent civilians are suffering terrible brutality. But when faced with Terrorism you can't expect anything else. Not the Israeli in fault. It's fully on Hamas" 200 dead today and an Israeli soldier, plus the 35/40 school dead this week. For four hostages returned. Hard to comprehend there is no negotiated settlement to save lives on both sides | |||
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"The greatest sadness it that the innocent civilians are suffering terrible brutality. But when faced with Terrorism you can't expect anything else. Not the Israeli in fault. It's fully on Hamas 200 dead today and an Israeli soldier, plus the 35/40 school dead this week. For four hostages returned. Hard to comprehend there is no negotiated settlement to save lives on both sides " I think you'll find that Israel slaughtering school kids is entirely someone else's fault. | |||
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"Good news that 4 Israeli hostages have been found alive Less so that a United Nations school was bombed this week killing 35/40 children. Another terrorist action by the IDF terrorists. If Khamas were holding these Israelis they would have killed them once the IDF attacked, just another excuse to kill over 200 innocent Palestinians. War criminals " Not sure what you are saying here. Are you saying that Hamas were not holding these hostages? | |||
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"Not sure what you are saying here. Are you saying that Hamas were not holding these hostages?" There are some very strange questions on here lol Don't worry about them. I just ignore most | |||
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"Just like his bitch arse sister Netanyahu(Mileikowsky), Zelensky says he is against stopping the war, a ceasefire will only be a pause before more war. Bro hates his peoples life "Perpetual war is what Netenyahu wants. The longer he drags it out the more time he has in power, and also avoid charges of corruption. Let alone war crimes | |||
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"The strangest thing is that many think its great that Israel is meant to release thousands of Murderous Monsters to get there hostages back." It would be great if Isreal stopped opressing Gazans and creating the likes of hamas | |||
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"Still don't get how the world hasn't come together to rid our planet of Terrorism. Hamas is just one Terrorist group that need to be demolished. Good to hear that the IDF recovered 4 hostages seemingly unharmed in Gaza. That in itself is a miracle as Hamas are ruthless killers so something is scaring the hell out of them. Just so terrible Hamas are happily putting their own people in front of them to shield their own disgusting lives." This, the interview that piers morgan had with mosab hassan youssef, describes hamas accurately of who they are too. | |||
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"Not sure what you are saying here. Are you saying that Hamas were not holding these hostages? There are some very strange questions on here lol Don't worry about them. I just ignore most" Why do you post if you don't want to engage in any discussion or address any basic questions about the things you say? | |||
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"I suggest you read about the last 75 and Palestine. If you do that, I would be interested to know if you still think this is all about October 7th. I've never lived there so can't speak for any personal experience over there. Ever since I became very good friends with an Israeli Arab guy whose family still live in Israel. He left to go to work in Germany and then on to Oz where he and I worked together for many years. When anyone asked him if he was a Palestinian due to the fact he was Arab, he would laugh and ask them 'What is a Palestinian'... He said there is no such thing, it was a name given by the Romans when they went into that whole area to kill the Jews. No idea how true that is but have looked it up a few times and it seems he is right. He always answered back saying NO I'm an Arab. When this all kicked off in October, I called him to see if his family were ok. Fortunately they all lived in the North of Israel and all ok. He was repulsed by what Hamas had done but said it's exactly the sort of thing they would do. Barbaric, murderous thugs. He and his family all said that Israel had no choice but to go in and annihilate Hamas. Not sure if you have heard of Mosab Hassan Yousef, his father was one of the Hamas co founders and has a lot to say about Hamas being barbaric Terrorists. You should look him up on YouTube. I think you will start to understand the reality of what Hamas is and how they use innocent civilians (Men, Women and Children) as human shields. Which, by the way, I do have a lot of terrible personal experience of. Not Hamas but other Terrorists with the same tactics as used by Hamas. " Interesting viewpoint which will never happen. | |||
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" It would be great if Isreal stopped opressing Gazans and creating the likes of hamas " If you keep starting wars, then you pretty much deserve to be oppressed. Israel owns them nothing. | |||
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"Not sure what you are saying here. Are you saying that Hamas were not holding these hostages? There are some very strange questions on here lol Don't worry about them. I just ignore most Why do you post if you don't want to engage in any discussion or address any basic questions about the things you say?" Look who is talking! Still waiting for you to point out "those alternative solutions" that you repeatedly mentioned you have told us and yet not a single soul on the forum could find it  | |||
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" It would be great if Isreal stopped opressing Gazans and creating the likes of hamas If you keep starting wars, then you pretty much deserve to be oppressed. Israel owns them nothing." Obviously you know nothing. | |||
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" Why do you post if you don't want to engage in any discussion or address any basic questions about the things you say?" The basic question you've asked (a few times) seems to be "why are Hamas terrorists but the IDF aren't?". Surely the first thing you need to do is explain why the IDF are terrorists and demonstrate the comparison, since it's your assertion that the IDF are? | |||
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"The strangest thing is that many think its great that Israel is meant to release thousands of Murderous Monsters to get there hostages back. It would be great if Isreal stopped opressing Gazans and creating the likes of hamas " Firstly, in what way does Israel oppress Gazans? Israel has reclaimed land that is rightfully and historically theirs. They built a fence not to keep Gazans in, but to keep them out of Israel which is their right. October the 7th certainly proves they were right to build it, but mistakes were made and Hamastinians broke through. Israel will not make that mistake again. Secondly, you say Israel created Hamas? Nonsense. Islam doesn't need an excuse to breed terrorist extremism. The CIA have a list of of the top 20 considered most dangerous terrorist organisations in the world. Every single one is Islamic. Of the 45 known armed conflicts in the Middle East and North Africa, 44 involve Islamic moderates combatting Islamic extremists in one form or another. Hamas created themselves through ideological greed. | |||
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"Not sure what you are saying here. Are you saying that Hamas were not holding these hostages? There are some very strange questions on here lol Don't worry about them. I just ignore most Why do you post if you don't want to engage in any discussion or address any basic questions about the things you say? Look who is talking! Still waiting for you to point out "those alternative solutions" that you repeatedly mentioned you have told us and yet not a single soul on the forum could find it "We discussed this until the cows came home until you said the following, making it clear any form of discourse is utterly pointless. "Empathy was never a left wing trait. Left wingers are driven by envy and resentment. They hate successful people and successful societies. Equality/Compassion/Empathy are words they use to mask this envy and resentment." And "You don't pity about Palestinians. You just hate Israel." This is why I don't reply to anything you post anymore. Except this of course. | |||
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" Why do you post if you don't want to engage in any discussion or address any basic questions about the things you say? The basic question you've asked (a few times) seems to be "why are Hamas terrorists but the IDF aren't?". Surely the first thing you need to do is explain why the IDF are terrorists and demonstrate the comparison, since it's your assertion that the IDF are?" Why? I was asking for clarification about what points he was making. I haven't made any assertions or points regarding the IDF. | |||
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"The strangest thing is that many think its great that Israel is meant to release thousands of Murderous Monsters to get there hostages back. It would be great if Isreal stopped opressing Gazans and creating the likes of hamas Firstly, in what way does Israel oppress Gazans? Israel has reclaimed land that is rightfully and historically theirs. They built a fence not to keep Gazans in, but to keep them out of Israel which is their right. October the 7th certainly proves they were right to build it, but mistakes were made and Hamastinians broke through. Israel will not make that mistake again. Secondly, you say Israel created Hamas? Nonsense. Islam doesn't need an excuse to breed terrorist extremism. The CIA have a list of of the top 20 considered most dangerous terrorist organisations in the world. Every single one is Islamic. Of the 45 known armed conflicts in the Middle East and North Africa, 44 involve Islamic moderates combatting Islamic extremists in one form or another. Hamas created themselves through ideological greed." Sometimes this place feels like a competition to post the most ill informed ridiculous nonsense possible. This is up there. | |||
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" Why do you post if you don't want to engage in any discussion or address any basic questions about the things you say? The basic question you've asked (a few times) seems to be "why are Hamas terrorists but the IDF aren't?". Surely the first thing you need to do is explain why the IDF are terrorists and demonstrate the comparison, since it's your assertion that the IDF are? Why? I was asking for clarification about what points he was making. I haven't made any assertions or points regarding the IDF. "True, you haven't. You might indeed believe that neither are. | |||
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"Obviously you know nothing." You know full well that I have a significant knowledge of the history of the conflict, that probably exceeds more than the average person. | |||
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"The strangest thing is that many think its great that Israel is meant to release thousands of Murderous Monsters to get there hostages back. It would be great if Isreal stopped opressing Gazans and creating the likes of hamas Firstly, in what way does Israel oppress Gazans? Israel has reclaimed land that is rightfully and historically theirs. They built a fence not to keep Gazans in, but to keep them out of Israel which is their right. October the 7th certainly proves they were right to build it, but mistakes were made and Hamastinians broke through. Israel will not make that mistake again. Secondly, you say Israel created Hamas? Nonsense. Islam doesn't need an excuse to breed terrorist extremism. The CIA have a list of of the top 20 considered most dangerous terrorist organisations in the world. Every single one is Islamic. Of the 45 known armed conflicts in the Middle East and North Africa, 44 involve Islamic moderates combatting Islamic extremists in one form or another. Hamas created themselves through ideological greed. Sometimes this place feels like a competition to post the most ill informed ridiculous nonsense possible. This is up there." Instead of posting an inane and predictable response, why not explain why my post is nonsense? From your other posts on this subject, it seems you know very little of the Middle East. | |||
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"Firstly, in what way does Israel oppress Gazans? Prnning them in behind fences, starving them collectively: a war crime Bombing high populated areas with 2000 pound bombs. Preventing aid getting in ; war crime Preventing USA aid in ; American law broken Gaza being full of refugees from the land clearances of 1948. Etc... Israel has reclaimed land that is rightfully and historically theirs.; According to white European Christians from 19th century They built a fence not to keep Gazans in, but to keep them out of Israel which is their right.; Built on palisitinian territory, which included demolishing palisitinian olive orchards October the 7th certainly proves they were right to build it, The conflict goes way further back than October 7th.. Israeli settlers incidentally killed palisitinians in the north to steal land as described by the UN Secondly, you say Israel created Hamas? Nonsense. Islam doesn't need an excuse to breed terrorist extremism. The CIA have a list of of the top 20 considered most dangerous terrorist organisations in the world. Every single one is Islamic. Of the 45 known armed conflicts in the Middle East and North Africa, 44 involve Islamic moderates combatting Islamic extremists in one form or another. Hamas created themselves through ideological greed.: Firstly ; hamas and like are bound to be born out of huge injustices caused by Isreal. Isreal's method of apartheid, racist oppression is just one example of wrong committed around the world Incidentally do you know Isreal has loads of UN resolutions against it that they routinely flout regarding Israeli settlers who've been sanctioned for land theft. " Your response is nothing more than the same old nonsense to be found on mumsnet. Do better. Learn. | |||
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"Firstly, in what way does Israel oppress Gazans? Prnning them in behind fences, starving them collectively: a war crime Bombing high populated areas with 2000 pound bombs. Preventing aid getting in ; war crime Preventing USA aid in ; American law broken Gaza being full of refugees from the land clearances of 1948. Etc... Israel has reclaimed land that is rightfully and historically theirs.; According to white European Christians from 19th century They built a fence not to keep Gazans in, but to keep them out of Israel which is their right.; Built on palisitinian territory, which included demolishing palisitinian olive orchards October the 7th certainly proves they were right to build it, The conflict goes way further back than October 7th.. Israeli settlers incidentally killed palisitinians in the north to steal land as described by the UN Secondly, you say Israel created Hamas? Nonsense. Islam doesn't need an excuse to breed terrorist extremism. The CIA have a list of of the top 20 considered most dangerous terrorist organisations in the world. Every single one is Islamic. Of the 45 known armed conflicts in the Middle East and North Africa, 44 involve Islamic moderates combatting Islamic extremists in one form or another. Hamas created themselves through ideological greed.: Firstly ; hamas and like are bound to be born out of huge injustices caused by Isreal. Isreal's method of apartheid, racist oppression is just one example of wrong committed around the world Incidentally do you know Isreal has loads of UN resolutions against it that they routinely flout regarding Israeli settlers who've been sanctioned for land theft. Your response is nothing more than the same old nonsense to be found on mumsnet. Do better. Learn." Oh dear, resorting to personal insults now. Oh dear lol. Perhaps if you stop trolling that would make you a better person. I believe the ICC more than yourself. And also if you believe your previous statements, your not only a racist. But also you support the IRA., The Taliban too by your reasoning | |||
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"Not sure what you are saying here. Are you saying that Hamas were not holding these hostages? There are some very strange questions on here lol Don't worry about them. I just ignore most Why do you post if you don't want to engage in any discussion or address any basic questions about the things you say? Look who is talking! Still waiting for you to point out "those alternative solutions" that you repeatedly mentioned you have told us and yet not a single soul on the forum could find it
We discussed this until the cows came home until you said the following, making it clear any form of discourse is utterly pointless.
"Empathy was never a left wing trait. Left wingers are driven by envy and resentment. They hate successful people and successful societies. Equality/Compassion/Empathy are words they use to mask this envy and resentment."
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"You don't pity about Palestinians. You just hate Israel."
This is why I don't reply to anything you post anymore. Except this of course. "The fact that you conveniently ignore Israel's plight if they let Hamas survive pretty much proves my points | |||
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"I suggest you read about the last 75 and Palestine. If you do that, I would be interested to know if you still think this is all about October 7th. I've never lived there so can't speak for any personal experience over there. Ever since I became very good friends with an Israeli Arab guy whose family still live in Israel. He left to go to work in Germany and then on to Oz where he and I worked together for many years. When anyone asked him if he was a Palestinian due to the fact he was Arab, he would laugh and ask them 'What is a Palestinian'... He said there is no such thing, it was a name given by the Romans when they went into that whole area to kill the Jews. No idea how true that is but have looked it up a few times and it seems he is right. He always answered back saying NO I'm an Arab. When this all kicked off in October, I called him to see if his family were ok. Fortunately they all lived in the North of Israel and all ok. He was repulsed by what Hamas had done but said it's exactly the sort of thing they would do. Barbaric, murderous thugs. He and his family all said that Israel had no choice but to go in and annihilate Hamas. Not sure if you have heard of Mosab Hassan Yousef, his father was one of the Hamas co founders and has a lot to say about Hamas being barbaric Terrorists. You should look him up on YouTube. I think you will start to understand the reality of what Hamas is and how they use innocent civilians (Men, Women and Children) as human shields. Which, by the way, I do have a lot of terrible personal experience of. Not Hamas but other Terrorists with the same tactics as used by Hamas. Telling me about one man's view point is not the same as researching yourself. Interesting viewpoint which will never happen." | |||
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"Not sure what you are saying here. Are you saying that Hamas were not holding these hostages? There are some very strange questions on here lol Don't worry about them. I just ignore most Why do you post if you don't want to engage in any discussion or address any basic questions about the things you say? Look who is talking! Still waiting for you to point out "those alternative solutions" that you repeatedly mentioned you have told us and yet not a single soul on the forum could find it
We discussed this until the cows came home until you said the following, making it clear any form of discourse is utterly pointless.
"Empathy was never a left wing trait. Left wingers are driven by envy and resentment. They hate successful people and successful societies. Equality/Compassion/Empathy are words they use to mask this envy and resentment."
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"You don't pity about Palestinians. You just hate Israel."
This is why I don't reply to anything you post anymore. Except this of course.
The fact that you conveniently ignore Israel's plight if they let Hamas survive pretty much proves my points "Isreal's plight us of their own making. Opressing and penning people in as second class citizens etc. Isreal was formed in 1948 Hamas formed in 1987 | |||
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"The strangest thing is that many think its great that Israel is meant to release thousands of Murderous Monsters to get there hostages back. It would be great if Isreal stopped opressing Gazans and creating the likes of hamas Firstly, in what way does Israel oppress Gazans? Israel has reclaimed land that is rightfully and historically theirs. They built a fence not to keep Gazans in, but to keep them out of Israel which is their right. October the 7th certainly proves they were right to build it, but mistakes were made and Hamastinians broke through. Israel will not make that mistake again. Secondly, you say Israel created Hamas? Nonsense. Islam doesn't need an excuse to breed terrorist extremism. The CIA have a list of of the top 20 considered most dangerous terrorist organisations in the world. Every single one is Islamic. Of the 45 known armed conflicts in the Middle East and North Africa, 44 involve Islamic moderates combatting Islamic extremists in one form or another. Hamas created themselves through ideological greed. Sometimes this place feels like a competition to post the most ill informed ridiculous nonsense possible. This is up there. Instead of posting an inane and predictable response, why not explain why my post is nonsense? From your other posts on this subject, it seems you know very little of the Middle East." I dunno, if someone posts up that Jupiter is made of pepperoni and toenails, would you spend time debating them? | |||
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"Not sure what you are saying here. Are you saying that Hamas were not holding these hostages? There are some very strange questions on here lol Don't worry about them. I just ignore most Why do you post if you don't want to engage in any discussion or address any basic questions about the things you say? Look who is talking! Still waiting for you to point out "those alternative solutions" that you repeatedly mentioned you have told us and yet not a single soul on the forum could find it
We discussed this until the cows came home until you said the following, making it clear any form of discourse is utterly pointless.
"Empathy was never a left wing trait. Left wingers are driven by envy and resentment. They hate successful people and successful societies. Equality/Compassion/Empathy are words they use to mask this envy and resentment."
And
"You don't pity about Palestinians. You just hate Israel."
This is why I don't reply to anything you post anymore. Except this of course.
The fact that you conveniently ignore Israel's plight if they let Hamas survive pretty much proves my points "Your points (assuming you do believe them) are judgemental and silly. I have never ignored Israel's plight. I have consistently spoken out against all civilian deaths regardless of the ethnicity/religion/nationality of the victims. | |||
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" Isreal's plight us of their own making. Opressing and penning people in as second class citizens etc. Isreal was formed in 1948 Hamas formed in 1987 " And hardline Islamic nutjobs started attacking Jewish refugees from at least 1920. | |||
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"Not sure what you are saying here. Are you saying that Hamas were not holding these hostages? There are some very strange questions on here lol Don't worry about them. I just ignore most Why do you post if you don't want to engage in any discussion or address any basic questions about the things you say? Look who is talking! Still waiting for you to point out "those alternative solutions" that you repeatedly mentioned you have told us and yet not a single soul on the forum could find it
We discussed this until the cows came home until you said the following, making it clear any form of discourse is utterly pointless.
"Empathy was never a left wing trait. Left wingers are driven by envy and resentment. They hate successful people and successful societies. Equality/Compassion/Empathy are words they use to mask this envy and resentment."
And
"You don't pity about Palestinians. You just hate Israel."
This is why I don't reply to anything you post anymore. Except this of course.
The fact that you conveniently ignore Israel's plight if they let Hamas survive pretty much proves my points
Your points (assuming you do believe them) are judgemental and silly.
I have never ignored Israel's plight. I have consistently spoken out against all civilian deaths regardless of the ethnicity/religion/nationality of the victims.
"And yet you want Israel to stop the offensive without giving alternative solution to get back their hostages or destroy Hamas. The consequence is that Israeli hostages will languish and Hamas will survive. By covering your demands with generic statements like "I just want civilian deaths", you are indirectly wanting death of Israeli people. If you make a demand and that demand has known consequences, you are asking for the consequences too. In this case, the consequences are Israeli hostages dying and more Israeli people dying because of Hamas. | |||
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" Isreal's plight us of their own making. Opressing and penning people in as second class citizens etc. Isreal was formed in 1948 Hamas formed in 1987 And hardline Islamic nutjobs started attacking Jewish refugees from at least 1920." Are all the Gazans hardliners though?! Because if Isreal doesn't differentiate then they're just as bad as the other nutjobs | |||
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"Not sure what you are saying here. Are you saying that Hamas were not holding these hostages? There are some very strange questions on here lol Don't worry about them. I just ignore most Why do you post if you don't want to engage in any discussion or address any basic questions about the things you say? Look who is talking! Still waiting for you to point out "those alternative solutions" that you repeatedly mentioned you have told us and yet not a single soul on the forum could find it
We discussed this until the cows came home until you said the following, making it clear any form of discourse is utterly pointless.
"Empathy was never a left wing trait. Left wingers are driven by envy and resentment. They hate successful people and successful societies. Equality/Compassion/Empathy are words they use to mask this envy and resentment."
And
"You don't pity about Palestinians. You just hate Israel."
This is why I don't reply to anything you post anymore. Except this of course.
The fact that you conveniently ignore Israel's plight if they let Hamas survive pretty much proves my points
Your points (assuming you do believe them) are judgemental and silly.
I have never ignored Israel's plight. I have consistently spoken out against all civilian deaths regardless of the ethnicity/religion/nationality of the victims.
And yet you want Israel to stop the offensive without giving alternative solution to get back their hostages or destroy Hamas. The consequence is that Israeli hostages will languish and Hamas will survive. By covering your demands with generic statements like "I just want civilian deaths", you are indirectly wanting death of Israeli people.
If you make a demand and that demand has known consequences, you are asking for the consequences too. In this case, the consequences are Israeli hostages dying and more Israeli people dying because of Hamas. "3xcuse me (hand up) I had a solution like 99 % of the world had. | |||
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"It would be great if Isreal stopped opressing Gazans and creating the likes of hamas " Umm say what??????????????? So you think Israel created them Bwahahahahahahahahaha Dare telling Iran that LOL | |||
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"It would be great if Isreal stopped opressing Gazans and creating the likes of hamas Umm say what??????????????? So you think Israel created them Bwahahahahahahahahaha Dare telling Iran that LOL " Oh ? Why? Did Iran create Fatah? | |||
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"It would be great if Isreal stopped opressing Gazans and creating the likes of hamas Umm say what??????????????? So you think Israel created them Bwahahahahahahahahaha Dare telling Iran that LOL " Oh ? Why? Did Iran create Fatah? Do you know who created Iran the way it is today? I'll give you a clue; it starts with U and ends nited States of America | |||
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"The strangest thing is that many think its great that Israel is meant to release thousands of Murderous Monsters to get there hostages back. It would be great if Isreal stopped opressing Gazans and creating the likes of hamas Firstly, in what way does Israel oppress Gazans? Israel has reclaimed land that is rightfully and historically theirs. They built a fence not to keep Gazans in, but to keep them out of Israel which is their right. October the 7th certainly proves they were right to build it, but mistakes were made and Hamastinians broke through. Israel will not make that mistake again. Secondly, you say Israel created Hamas? Nonsense. Islam doesn't need an excuse to breed terrorist extremism. The CIA have a list of of the top 20 considered most dangerous terrorist organisations in the world. Every single one is Islamic. Of the 45 known armed conflicts in the Middle East and North Africa, 44 involve Islamic moderates combatting Islamic extremists in one form or another. Hamas created themselves through ideological greed." Russia has claimed land what is rightfully and historically theirs. Fuck Ukraine  | |||
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" Are all the Gazans hardliners though?! Because if Isreal doesn't differentiate then they're just as bad as the other nutjobs" They were voted into power and recent surveys suggest significant support. After the 7th October people were out on the streets celebrating the attacks. | |||
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"Agreed. Best to get rid of all Terrorists like Hamas. Eliminate them from our planet" What's your solution and definition of terrorist? | |||
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"definition of terrorist?" I think a group that uses r*pe as a weapon is a pretty good starting point. That is not a freedom fighter by any stretch of the imagination. | |||
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"Just watched on ITV someone saying there are Hamas soldiers in Israeli prisons being murdered by Israeli prison authorities lol. Son of Hamas Co-Founder explains what happens in those Israeli prisons. The murder, torture and brutal beatings were done by other Hamas jailed in the same prison to scare their own people into not talking with Israel. Son of Hamas founder Sheikh Hassan Yousef, Mosab Hassan Yousef. A very brave sole and I would imagine fearing for his own life now that he is explaining what Hamas is and how brutally horrific they are. Anyways, maybe you fancy having a go at the simple question I asked. In your view why are Hamas terrorists and the IDF aren't?" | |||
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"definition of terrorist?I think a group that uses r*pe as a weapon is a pretty good starting point. That is not a freedom fighter by any stretch of the imagination." You sound like Thatcher. Remember The Troubles? Bobby Sands? The Orange Marches? That was our lifetimes. Imagine how the Mizarahi, Sefardi and Christians feel IDF murderers. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2024/6/9/israels-war-on-gaza-live-nightmare-as-hospital-copes-with-nuseirat-dead | |||
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" And hardline Islamic nutjobs started attacking Jewish refugees from at least 1920." And the rest of us since around 1980. Between 1979 and May 2021, at least 48,035 Islamist terrorist attacks took place worldwide, causing the deaths of at least 210,138 people. During this period, each Islamist attack resulted in the death of about 4.4 persons on average. The most common type of weapon used are explosives (43.9%). | |||
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"definition of terrorist?I think a group that uses r*pe as a weapon is a pretty good starting point. That is not a freedom fighter by any stretch of the imagination." Pot calling kettle... https://mh.bmj.com/content/48/1/94 | |||
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"definition of terrorist?I think a group that uses r*pe as a weapon is a pretty good starting point. That is not a freedom fighter by any stretch of the imagination." Palestinian women and girls are regularly r4ped and sexually assaulted in Israeli detention, UN experts . The independent experts, part of the UN’s fact-finding and monitoring mechanisms of the Human Rights Council had confirmed in a statement receiving reports of Palestinian female detainees being subjected to “multiple forms of sexual assault,” and detainees reportedly r4ped, while others were allegedly threatened with r4pe and sexual violence. They also described women being strip-searched by male Israeli officers and noted the circulation of degrading images of detainees online by Israeli soldiers. hundreds” of Palestinian women and girls have been arbitrarily detained since 7 October and subjected to “inhumane and degrading treatment,” including sexual assault, beatings, and the denial of food, medicine and period products. It’s sickening that Zionists R4pe apologists defends IDF terrorists. | |||
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"definition of terrorist?I think a group that uses r*pe as a weapon is a pretty good starting point. That is not a freedom fighter by any stretch of the imagination. Palestinian women and girls are regularly r4ped and sexually assaulted in Israeli detention, UN experts . The independent experts, part of the UN’s fact-finding and monitoring mechanisms of the Human Rights Council had confirmed in a statement receiving reports of Palestinian female detainees being subjected to “multiple forms of sexual assault,” and detainees reportedly r4ped, while others were allegedly threatened with r4pe and sexual violence. They also described women being strip-searched by male Israeli officers and noted the circulation of degrading images of detainees online by Israeli soldiers. hundreds” of Palestinian women and girls have been arbitrarily detained since 7 October and subjected to “inhumane and degrading treatment,” including sexual assault, beatings, and the denial of food, medicine and period products. It’s sickening that Zionists R4pe apologists defends IDF terrorists. " Daily telegraph and CNN reported incident back in December when IDF sexually humiliated and stripped children but zionists unconditionally support the most morally bankrupt army. They are sick genocide supporting child R4pe apologists. IDF=ISIS | |||
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"Not sure what you are saying here. Are you saying that Hamas were not holding these hostages? There are some very strange questions on here lol Don't worry about them. I just ignore most Why do you post if you don't want to engage in any discussion or address any basic questions about the things you say? Look who is talking! Still waiting for you to point out "those alternative solutions" that you repeatedly mentioned you have told us and yet not a single soul on the forum could find it
We discussed this until the cows came home until you said the following, making it clear any form of discourse is utterly pointless.
"Empathy was never a left wing trait. Left wingers are driven by envy and resentment. They hate successful people and successful societies. Equality/Compassion/Empathy are words they use to mask this envy and resentment."
And
"You don't pity about Palestinians. You just hate Israel."
This is why I don't reply to anything you post anymore. Except this of course.
The fact that you conveniently ignore Israel's plight if they let Hamas survive pretty much proves my points
Your points (assuming you do believe them) are judgemental and silly.
I have never ignored Israel's plight. I have consistently spoken out against all civilian deaths regardless of the ethnicity/religion/nationality of the victims.
And yet you want Israel to stop the offensive without giving alternative solution to get back their hostages or destroy Hamas. The consequence is that Israeli hostages will languish and Hamas will survive. By covering your demands with generic statements like "I just want civilian deaths", you are indirectly wanting death of Israeli people.
If you make a demand and that demand has known consequences, you are asking for the consequences too. In this case, the consequences are Israeli hostages dying and more Israeli people dying because of Hamas. "Once again, I don't value lives more or less based on their ethnicity/religion/nationality. Anyway, your view that anyone who opposes the mass slaughter of innocent civilians is a lefty who is jealous of Israel is unanswerable. So that's why I don't try. Your views are not worthy of addressing. | |||
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"It would be great if Isreal stopped opressing Gazans and creating the likes of hamas Umm say what??????????????? So you think Israel created them Bwahahahahahahahahaha Dare telling Iran that LOL " Your constant lolling at the mass slaughter is in bad taste. Your misinformed views are getting more and more ridiculous. There's no point in asking you to clarify anymore. | |||
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"Wow and who now is looking at the facts lol. Strange how the conspiracy theorist come out at night lol" You'll have to be a tad clearer in your comments. | |||
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"Not sure what you are saying here. Are you saying that Hamas were not holding these hostages? There are some very strange questions on here lol Don't worry about them. I just ignore most Why do you post if you don't want to engage in any discussion or address any basic questions about the things you say? Look who is talking! Still waiting for you to point out "those alternative solutions" that you repeatedly mentioned you have told us and yet not a single soul on the forum could find it
We discussed this until the cows came home until you said the following, making it clear any form of discourse is utterly pointless.
"Empathy was never a left wing trait. Left wingers are driven by envy and resentment. They hate successful people and successful societies. Equality/Compassion/Empathy are words they use to mask this envy and resentment."
And
"You don't pity about Palestinians. You just hate Israel."
This is why I don't reply to anything you post anymore. Except this of course.
The fact that you conveniently ignore Israel's plight if they let Hamas survive pretty much proves my points
Your points (assuming you do believe them) are judgemental and silly.
I have never ignored Israel's plight. I have consistently spoken out against all civilian deaths regardless of the ethnicity/religion/nationality of the victims.
And yet you want Israel to stop the offensive without giving alternative solution to get back their hostages or destroy Hamas. The consequence is that Israeli hostages will languish and Hamas will survive. By covering your demands with generic statements like "I just want civilian deaths", you are indirectly wanting death of Israeli people.
If you make a demand and that demand has known consequences, you are asking for the consequences too. In this case, the consequences are Israeli hostages dying and more Israeli people dying because of Hamas.
Once again, I don't value lives more or less based on their ethnicity/religion/nationality.
Anyway, your view that anyone who opposes the mass slaughter of innocent civilians is a lefty who is jealous of Israel is unanswerable. So that's why I don't try. Your views are not worthy of addressing. " | |||
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"Not sure what you are saying here. Are you saying that Hamas were not holding these hostages? There are some very strange questions on here lol Don't worry about them. I just ignore most Why do you post if you don't want to engage in any discussion or address any basic questions about the things you say? Look who is talking! Still waiting for you to point out "those alternative solutions" that you repeatedly mentioned you have told us and yet not a single soul on the forum could find it
We discussed this until the cows came home until you said the following, making it clear any form of discourse is utterly pointless.
"Empathy was never a left wing trait. Left wingers are driven by envy and resentment. They hate successful people and successful societies. Equality/Compassion/Empathy are words they use to mask this envy and resentment."
And
"You don't pity about Palestinians. You just hate Israel."
This is why I don't reply to anything you post anymore. Except this of course.
The fact that you conveniently ignore Israel's plight if they let Hamas survive pretty much proves my points
Your points (assuming you do believe them) are judgemental and silly.
I have never ignored Israel's plight. I have consistently spoken out against all civilian deaths regardless of the ethnicity/religion/nationality of the victims.
And yet you want Israel to stop the offensive without giving alternative solution to get back their hostages or destroy Hamas. The consequence is that Israeli hostages will languish and Hamas will survive. By covering your demands with generic statements like "I just want civilian deaths", you are indirectly wanting death of Israeli people.
If you make a demand and that demand has known consequences, you are asking for the consequences too. In this case, the consequences are Israeli hostages dying and more Israeli people dying because of Hamas.
Once again, I don't value lives more or less based on their ethnicity/religion/nationality.
Anyway, your view that anyone who opposes the mass slaughter of innocent civilians is a lefty who is jealous of Israel is unanswerable. So that's why I don't try. Your views are not worthy of addressing. "I explained to you why your claim that "I just don't want innocent people to die" doesn't sound true because what you are asking for leads to death of Israeli people. If you have an answer to that, let me know. If not, please don't go around lecturing people to address questions directed at them in debate because you don't do that yourself. You are just following a typical left wing playbook. Ask for something that sounds innocuous in itself and back it with some virtue. The thing you are asking usually has a terrible consequence to some people. Shut down all questions about these consequences by hiding behind the virtue you claim to possess. That's what the socialists did throughout history. That's what the modern progressives do. As I told you before, none of it is driven by compassion or equality or any other virtue they claim to possess but by hatred and resentment towards some groups of people. | |||
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"Not sure what you are saying here. Are you saying that Hamas were not holding these hostages? There are some very strange questions on here lol Don't worry about them. I just ignore most Why do you post if you don't want to engage in any discussion or address any basic questions about the things you say? Look who is talking! Still waiting for you to point out "those alternative solutions" that you repeatedly mentioned you have told us and yet not a single soul on the forum could find it
We discussed this until the cows came home until you said the following, making it clear any form of discourse is utterly pointless.
"Empathy was never a left wing trait. Left wingers are driven by envy and resentment. They hate successful people and successful societies. Equality/Compassion/Empathy are words they use to mask this envy and resentment."
And
"You don't pity about Palestinians. You just hate Israel."
This is why I don't reply to anything you post anymore. Except this of course.
The fact that you conveniently ignore Israel's plight if they let Hamas survive pretty much proves my points
Your points (assuming you do believe them) are judgemental and silly.
I have never ignored Israel's plight. I have consistently spoken out against all civilian deaths regardless of the ethnicity/religion/nationality of the victims.
And yet you want Israel to stop the offensive without giving alternative solution to get back their hostages or destroy Hamas. The consequence is that Israeli hostages will languish and Hamas will survive. By covering your demands with generic statements like "I just want civilian deaths", you are indirectly wanting death of Israeli people.
If you make a demand and that demand has known consequences, you are asking for the consequences too. In this case, the consequences are Israeli hostages dying and more Israeli people dying because of Hamas.
Once again, I don't value lives more or less based on their ethnicity/religion/nationality.
Anyway, your view that anyone who opposes the mass slaughter of innocent civilians is a lefty who is jealous of Israel is unanswerable. So that's why I don't try. Your views are not worthy of addressing.
I explained to you why your claim that "I just don't want innocent people to die" doesn't sound true because what you are asking for leads to death of Israeli people. If you have an answer to that, let me know. If not, please don't go around lecturing people to address questions directed at them in debate because you don't do that yourself.
You are just following a typical left wing playbook. Ask for something that sounds innocuous in itself and back it with some virtue. The thing you are asking usually has a terrible consequence to some people. Shut down all questions about these consequences by hiding behind the virtue you claim to possess.
That's what the socialists did throughout history. That's what the modern progressives do. As I told you before, none of it is driven by compassion or equality or any other virtue they claim to possess but by hatred and resentment towards some groups of people."There you go. You can see why there's no point in attempting any kind of reasoning. | |||
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" The fact that you conveniently ignore Israel's plight if they let Hamas survive pretty much proves my points Your points (assuming you do believe them) are judgemental and silly. I have never ignored Israel's plight. I have consistently spoken out against all civilian deaths regardless of the ethnicity/religion/nationality of the victims. And yet you want Israel to stop the offensive without giving alternative solution to get back their hostages or destroy Hamas. The consequence is that Israeli hostages will languish and Hamas will survive. By covering your demands with generic statements like "I just want civilian deaths", you are indirectly wanting death of Israeli people. If you make a demand and that demand has known consequences, you are asking for the consequences too. In this case, the consequences are Israeli hostages dying and more Israeli people dying because of Hamas. Once again, I don't value lives more or less based on their ethnicity/religion/nationality. Anyway, your view that anyone who opposes the mass slaughter of innocent civilians is a lefty who is jealous of Israel is unanswerable. So that's why I don't try. Your views are not worthy of addressing. I explained to you why your claim that "I just don't want innocent people to die" doesn't sound true because what you are asking for leads to death of Israeli people. If you have an answer to that, let me know. If not, please don't go around lecturing people to address questions directed at them in debate because you don't do that yourself. You are just following a typical left wing playbook. Ask for something that sounds innocuous in itself and back it with some virtue. The thing you are asking usually has a terrible consequence to some people. Shut down all questions about these consequences by hiding behind the virtue you claim to possess. That's what the socialists did throughout history. That's what the modern progressives do. As I told you before, none of it is driven by compassion or equality or any other virtue they claim to possess but by hatred and resentment towards some groups of people. There you go. You can see why there's no point in attempting any kind of reasoning. " Yes I can see. Because you couldn't reason. All you have to do is to address the consequences of what you are asking for. How would you ensure Israeli hostaged get back safely? How do you ensure Israeli people are safe from Hamas terrorists? If you didn't know these consequences, one can call it naivety. If you are doing verbal and mental gymnastics at all costs to avoid talking about these consequences even after people pointing them out so many times, it's not naivety but outright hate towards Israeli people | |||
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" The fact that you conveniently ignore Israel's plight if they let Hamas survive pretty much proves my points Your points (assuming you do believe them) are judgemental and silly. I have never ignored Israel's plight. I have consistently spoken out against all civilian deaths regardless of the ethnicity/religion/nationality of the victims. And yet you want Israel to stop the offensive without giving alternative solution to get back their hostages or destroy Hamas. The consequence is that Israeli hostages will languish and Hamas will survive. By covering your demands with generic statements like "I just want civilian deaths", you are indirectly wanting death of Israeli people. If you make a demand and that demand has known consequences, you are asking for the consequences too. In this case, the consequences are Israeli hostages dying and more Israeli people dying because of Hamas. Once again, I don't value lives more or less based on their ethnicity/religion/nationality. Anyway, your view that anyone who opposes the mass slaughter of innocent civilians is a lefty who is jealous of Israel is unanswerable. So that's why I don't try. Your views are not worthy of addressing. I explained to you why your claim that "I just don't want innocent people to die" doesn't sound true because what you are asking for leads to death of Israeli people. If you have an answer to that, let me know. If not, please don't go around lecturing people to address questions directed at them in debate because you don't do that yourself. You are just following a typical left wing playbook. Ask for something that sounds innocuous in itself and back it with some virtue. The thing you are asking usually has a terrible consequence to some people. Shut down all questions about these consequences by hiding behind the virtue you claim to possess. That's what the socialists did throughout history. That's what the modern progressives do. As I told you before, none of it is driven by compassion or equality or any other virtue they claim to possess but by hatred and resentment towards some groups of people. There you go. You can see why there's no point in attempting any kind of reasoning. Yes I can see. Because you couldn't reason. All you have to do is to address the consequences of what you are asking for. How would you ensure Israeli hostaged get back safely? How do you ensure Israeli people are safe from Hamas terrorists? If you didn't know these consequences, one can call it naivety. If you are doing verbal and mental gymnastics at all costs to avoid talking about these consequences even after people pointing them out so many times, it's not naivety but outright hate towards Israeli people " ...keep going. | |||
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" The fact that you conveniently ignore Israel's plight if they let Hamas survive pretty much proves my points Your points (assuming you do believe them) are judgemental and silly. I have never ignored Israel's plight. I have consistently spoken out against all civilian deaths regardless of the ethnicity/religion/nationality of the victims. And yet you want Israel to stop the offensive without giving alternative solution to get back their hostages or destroy Hamas. The consequence is that Israeli hostages will languish and Hamas will survive. By covering your demands with generic statements like "I just want civilian deaths", you are indirectly wanting death of Israeli people. If you make a demand and that demand has known consequences, you are asking for the consequences too. In this case, the consequences are Israeli hostages dying and more Israeli people dying because of Hamas. Once again, I don't value lives more or less based on their ethnicity/religion/nationality. Anyway, your view that anyone who opposes the mass slaughter of innocent civilians is a lefty who is jealous of Israel is unanswerable. So that's why I don't try. Your views are not worthy of addressing. I explained to you why your claim that "I just don't want innocent people to die" doesn't sound true because what you are asking for leads to death of Israeli people. If you have an answer to that, let me know. If not, please don't go around lecturing people to address questions directed at them in debate because you don't do that yourself. You are just following a typical left wing playbook. Ask for something that sounds innocuous in itself and back it with some virtue. The thing you are asking usually has a terrible consequence to some people. Shut down all questions about these consequences by hiding behind the virtue you claim to possess. That's what the socialists did throughout history. That's what the modern progressives do. As I told you before, none of it is driven by compassion or equality or any other virtue they claim to possess but by hatred and resentment towards some groups of people. There you go. You can see why there's no point in attempting any kind of reasoning. Yes I can see. Because you couldn't reason. All you have to do is to address the consequences of what you are asking for. How would you ensure Israeli hostaged get back safely? How do you ensure Israeli people are safe from Hamas terrorists? If you didn't know these consequences, one can call it naivety. If you are doing verbal and mental gymnastics at all costs to avoid talking about these consequences even after people pointing them out so many times, it's not naivety but outright hate towards Israeli people " Assuming hamas can be destroyed, which it can't, because an ideology can have many guises and cannot be destroyed. But assuming they can. who would take over the power vaccum? I'm assuming you have an idea, especially after many more Gaza s will join hamas now because of what they witnessed . I'd love to hear this. | |||
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"Not sure what you are saying here. Are you saying that Hamas were not holding these hostages? There are some very strange questions on here lol Don't worry about them. I just ignore most Why do you post if you don't want to engage in any discussion or address any basic questions about the things you say? Look who is talking! Still waiting for you to point out "those alternative solutions" that you repeatedly mentioned you have told us and yet not a single soul on the forum could find it
We discussed this until the cows came home until you said the following, making it clear any form of discourse is utterly pointless.
"Empathy was never a left wing trait. Left wingers are driven by envy and resentment. They hate successful people and successful societies. Equality/Compassion/Empathy are words they use to mask this envy and resentment."
And
"You don't pity about Palestinians. You just hate Israel."
This is why I don't reply to anything you post anymore. Except this of course.
The fact that you conveniently ignore Israel's plight if they let Hamas survive pretty much proves my points
Your points (assuming you do believe them) are judgemental and silly.
I have never ignored Israel's plight. I have consistently spoken out against all civilian deaths regardless of the ethnicity/religion/nationality of the victims.
And yet you want Israel to stop the offensive without giving alternative solution to get back their hostages or destroy Hamas. The consequence is that Israeli hostages will languish and Hamas will survive. By covering your demands with generic statements like "I just want civilian deaths", you are indirectly wanting death of Israeli people.
If you make a demand and that demand has known consequences, you are asking for the consequences too. In this case, the consequences are Israeli hostages dying and more Israeli people dying because of Hamas.
Once again, I don't value lives more or less based on their ethnicity/religion/nationality.
Anyway, your view that anyone who opposes the mass slaughter of innocent civilians is a lefty who is jealous of Israel is unanswerable. So that's why I don't try. Your views are not worthy of addressing.
I explained to you why your claim that "I just don't want innocent people to die" doesn't sound true because what you are asking for leads to death of Israeli people. If you have an answer to that, let me know. If not, please don't go around lecturing people to address questions directed at them in debate because you don't do that yourself.
You are just following a typical left wing playbook. Ask for something that sounds innocuous in itself and back it with some virtue. The thing you are asking usually has a terrible consequence to some people. Shut down all questions about these consequences by hiding behind the virtue you claim to possess.
That's what the socialists did throughout history. That's what the modern progressives do. As I told you before, none of it is driven by compassion or equality or any other virtue they claim to possess but by hatred and resentment towards some groups of people."You are so correct. Anyone remember Jeremy Corbyn, and why he was kicked out of the Labour party? | |||
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"Israhell has taken an UNUSUAL MOVE to free four of their hostages from Gaza, rather than kill them in another airstrike. 4:41 ratio 41 killed by IDF and 4 freed. "
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" Assuming hamas can be destroyed, which it can't, because an ideology can have many guises and cannot be destroyed. But assuming they can. who would take over the power vaccum? I'm assuming you have an idea, especially after many more Gaza s will join hamas now because of what they witnessed . I'd love to hear this. " Personally speaking, they've had decades to accept peace and they won't rest until all the Jews leave and Israel is no more. So, the only viable solution is to drive ever single Palestinian Arab out. That includes Judea and Samaria too. They should also destroy the Al Aqsa Mosque too, just to make sure the rest of the Muslim world gets the message. | |||
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" Assuming hamas can be destroyed, which it can't, because an ideology can have many guises and cannot be destroyed. But assuming they can. who would take over the power vaccum? I'm assuming you have an idea, especially after many more Gaza s will join hamas now because of what they witnessed . I'd love to hear this. Personally speaking, they've had decades to accept peace and they won't rest until all the Jews leave and Israel is no more. So, the only viable solution is to drive ever single Palestinian Arab out. That includes Judea and Samaria too. They should also destroy the Al Aqsa Mosque too, just to make sure the rest of the Muslim world gets the message." So actual ethnic cleansing is sometimes the kinder, or only viable option? | |||
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" Assuming hamas can be destroyed, which it can't, because an ideology can have many guises and cannot be destroyed. But assuming they can. who would take over the power vaccum? I'm assuming you have an idea, especially after many more Gaza s will join hamas now because of what they witnessed . I'd love to hear this. Personally speaking, they've had decades to accept peace and they won't rest until all the Jews leave and Israel is no more. So, the only viable solution is to drive ever single Palestinian Arab out. That includes Judea and Samaria too. They should also destroy the Al Aqsa Mosque too, just to make sure the rest of the Muslim world gets the message." "Genocide is the intentional destruction of a people in whole or in part. In 1948, the United Nations Genocide Convention defined genocide as any of five "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group"." Pretty terrifying when people are openly calling for genocide. I know the internet exacerbates extremist opinions. But still. | |||
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" Assuming hamas can be destroyed, which it can't, because an ideology can have many guises and cannot be destroyed. But assuming they can. who would take over the power vaccum? I'm assuming you have an idea, especially after many more Gaza s will join hamas now because of what they witnessed . I'd love to hear this. Personally speaking, they've had decades to accept peace and they won't rest until all the Jews leave and Israel is no more. So, the only viable solution is to drive ever single Palestinian Arab out. That includes Judea and Samaria too. They should also destroy the Al Aqsa Mosque too, just to make sure the rest of the Muslim world gets the message. "Genocide is the intentional destruction of a people in whole or in part. In 1948, the United Nations Genocide Convention defined genocide as any of five "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group"." Pretty terrifying when people are openly calling for genocide. I know the internet exacerbates extremist opinions. But still. " Ethnic cleansing, not genocide. | |||
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" Assuming hamas can be destroyed, which it can't, because an ideology can have many guises and cannot be destroyed. But assuming they can. who would take over the power vaccum? I'm assuming you have an idea, especially after many more Gaza s will join hamas now because of what they witnessed . I'd love to hear this. Personally speaking, they've had decades to accept peace and they won't rest until all the Jews leave and Israel is no more. So, the only viable solution is to drive ever single Palestinian Arab out. That includes Judea and Samaria too. They should also destroy the Al Aqsa Mosque too, just to make sure the rest of the Muslim world gets the message. "Genocide is the intentional destruction of a people in whole or in part. In 1948, the United Nations Genocide Convention defined genocide as any of five "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group"." Pretty terrifying when people are openly calling for genocide. I know the internet exacerbates extremist opinions. But still. Ethnic cleansing, not genocide." Fine line. But sure. In any case, I am completely opposed to anyone who thinks ethnic cleansing is a good idea. This chap and Hamas etc. | |||
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" Once again, I don't value lives more or less based on their ethnicity/religion/nationality. Anyway, your view that anyone who opposes the mass slaughter of innocent civilians is a lefty who is jealous of Israel is unanswerable. So that's why I don't try. Your views are not worthy of addressing. I explained to you why your claim that "I just don't want innocent people to die" doesn't sound true because what you are asking for leads to death of Israeli people. If you have an answer to that, let me know. If not, please don't go around lecturing people to address questions directed at them in debate because you don't do that yourself. You are just following a typical left wing playbook. Ask for something that sounds innocuous in itself and back it with some virtue. The thing you are asking usually has a terrible consequence to some people. Shut down all questions about these consequences by hiding behind the virtue you claim to possess. That's what the socialists did throughout history. That's what the modern progressives do. As I told you before, none of it is driven by compassion or equality or any other virtue they claim to possess but by hatred and resentment towards some groups of people. There you go. You can see why there's no point in attempting any kind of reasoning. Yes I can see. Because you couldn't reason. All you have to do is to address the consequences of what you are asking for. How would you ensure Israeli hostaged get back safely? How do you ensure Israeli people are safe from Hamas terrorists? If you didn't know these consequences, one can call it naivety. If you are doing verbal and mental gymnastics at all costs to avoid talking about these consequences even after people pointing them out so many times, it's not naivety but outright hate towards Israeli people Assuming hamas can be destroyed, which it can't, because an ideology can have many guises and cannot be destroyed. But assuming they can. who would take over the power vaccum? I'm assuming you have an idea, especially after many more Gaza s will join hamas now because of what they witnessed . I'd love to hear this. " Why can't an ideology be destroyed? At the very least, they have to be weakened to an extent so that Israelis can continue living their life without having to be worried about attacks from those ideological lunatics. Israel is the stronger state here. From their perspective, everytime Hamas does something atrocious like this. Sure a diplomatic solution would be great. But Hamas has openly rejected a two state solution. So their only option is to squeeze Hamas like bugs whenever they commit these atrocities. From a Palestinian perspective, if they really wanted a peaceful life, they are better off fighting Hamas themselves. Then take whatever two state solution is in offer, get foreign aid to build their own state. As long as Hamas operates from within them, they are nowhere near peace. | |||
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" The fact that you conveniently ignore Israel's plight if they let Hamas survive pretty much proves my points Your points (assuming you do believe them) are judgemental and silly. I have never ignored Israel's plight. I have consistently spoken out against all civilian deaths regardless of the ethnicity/religion/nationality of the victims. And yet you want Israel to stop the offensive without giving alternative solution to get back their hostages or destroy Hamas. The consequence is that Israeli hostages will languish and Hamas will survive. By covering your demands with generic statements like "I just want civilian deaths", you are indirectly wanting death of Israeli people. If you make a demand and that demand has known consequences, you are asking for the consequences too. In this case, the consequences are Israeli hostages dying and more Israeli people dying because of Hamas. Once again, I don't value lives more or less based on their ethnicity/religion/nationality. Anyway, your view that anyone who opposes the mass slaughter of innocent civilians is a lefty who is jealous of Israel is unanswerable. So that's why I don't try. Your views are not worthy of addressing. I explained to you why your claim that "I just don't want innocent people to die" doesn't sound true because what you are asking for leads to death of Israeli people. If you have an answer to that, let me know. If not, please don't go around lecturing people to address questions directed at them in debate because you don't do that yourself. You are just following a typical left wing playbook. Ask for something that sounds innocuous in itself and back it with some virtue. The thing you are asking usually has a terrible consequence to some people. Shut down all questions about these consequences by hiding behind the virtue you claim to possess. That's what the socialists did throughout history. That's what the modern progressives do. As I told you before, none of it is driven by compassion or equality or any other virtue they claim to possess but by hatred and resentment towards some groups of people. There you go. You can see why there's no point in attempting any kind of reasoning. Yes I can see. Because you couldn't reason. All you have to do is to address the consequences of what you are asking for. How would you ensure Israeli hostaged get back safely? How do you ensure Israeli people are safe from Hamas terrorists? If you didn't know these consequences, one can call it naivety. If you are doing verbal and mental gymnastics at all costs to avoid talking about these consequences even after people pointing them out so many times, it's not naivety but outright hate towards Israeli people ...keep going." Keep running away from questions | |||
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" The fact that you conveniently ignore Israel's plight if they let Hamas survive pretty much proves my points Your points (assuming you do believe them) are judgemental and silly. I have never ignored Israel's plight. I have consistently spoken out against all civilian deaths regardless of the ethnicity/religion/nationality of the victims. And yet you want Israel to stop the offensive without giving alternative solution to get back their hostages or destroy Hamas. The consequence is that Israeli hostages will languish and Hamas will survive. By covering your demands with generic statements like "I just want civilian deaths", you are indirectly wanting death of Israeli people. If you make a demand and that demand has known consequences, you are asking for the consequences too. In this case, the consequences are Israeli hostages dying and more Israeli people dying because of Hamas. Once again, I don't value lives more or less based on their ethnicity/religion/nationality. Anyway, your view that anyone who opposes the mass slaughter of innocent civilians is a lefty who is jealous of Israel is unanswerable. So that's why I don't try. Your views are not worthy of addressing. I explained to you why your claim that "I just don't want innocent people to die" doesn't sound true because what you are asking for leads to death of Israeli people. If you have an answer to that, let me know. If not, please don't go around lecturing people to address questions directed at them in debate because you don't do that yourself. You are just following a typical left wing playbook. Ask for something that sounds innocuous in itself and back it with some virtue. The thing you are asking usually has a terrible consequence to some people. Shut down all questions about these consequences by hiding behind the virtue you claim to possess. That's what the socialists did throughout history. That's what the modern progressives do. As I told you before, none of it is driven by compassion or equality or any other virtue they claim to possess but by hatred and resentment towards some groups of people. There you go. You can see why there's no point in attempting any kind of reasoning. Yes I can see. Because you couldn't reason. All you have to do is to address the consequences of what you are asking for. How would you ensure Israeli hostaged get back safely? How do you ensure Israeli people are safe from Hamas terrorists? If you didn't know these consequences, one can call it naivety. If you are doing verbal and mental gymnastics at all costs to avoid talking about these consequences even after people pointing them out so many times, it's not naivety but outright hate towards Israeli people ...keep going. Keep running away from questions ""They (left wingers) hate Israel simply because they are successful in a shithole of a region." What answer is there to such bizarre statements? | |||
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" So actual ethnic cleansing is sometimes the kinder, or only viable option?" Yes, in the same style as the partioning of India, which was not genocide. If it's a choice between killing all the Jews, in their only homeland - or driving all the Arabs into the twenty or so other Arab countries where they could eventually assimilate, then it is the lesser of the two evils. | |||
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" So actual ethnic cleansing is sometimes the kinder, or only viable option? Yes, in the same style as the partioning of India, which was not genocide. If it's a choice between killing all the Jews, in their only homeland - or driving all the Arabs into the twenty or so other Arab countries where they could eventually assimilate, then it is the lesser of the two evils." Excellent point | |||
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" The fact that you conveniently ignore Israel's plight if they let Hamas survive pretty much proves my points Your points (assuming you do believe them) are judgemental and silly. I have never ignored Israel's plight. I have consistently spoken out against all civilian deaths regardless of the ethnicity/religion/nationality of the victims. And yet you want Israel to stop the offensive without giving alternative solution to get back their hostages or destroy Hamas. The consequence is that Israeli hostages will languish and Hamas will survive. By covering your demands with generic statements like "I just want civilian deaths", you are indirectly wanting death of Israeli people. If you make a demand and that demand has known consequences, you are asking for the consequences too. In this case, the consequences are Israeli hostages dying and more Israeli people dying because of Hamas. Once again, I don't value lives more or less based on their ethnicity/religion/nationality. Anyway, your view that anyone who opposes the mass slaughter of innocent civilians is a lefty who is jealous of Israel is unanswerable. So that's why I don't try. Your views are not worthy of addressing. I explained to you why your claim that "I just don't want innocent people to die" doesn't sound true because what you are asking for leads to death of Israeli people. If you have an answer to that, let me know. If not, please don't go around lecturing people to address questions directed at them in debate because you don't do that yourself. You are just following a typical left wing playbook. Ask for something that sounds innocuous in itself and back it with some virtue. The thing you are asking usually has a terrible consequence to some people. Shut down all questions about these consequences by hiding behind the virtue you claim to possess. That's what the socialists did throughout history. That's what the modern progressives do. As I told you before, none of it is driven by compassion or equality or any other virtue they claim to possess but by hatred and resentment towards some groups of people. There you go. You can see why there's no point in attempting any kind of reasoning. Yes I can see. Because you couldn't reason. All you have to do is to address the consequences of what you are asking for. How would you ensure Israeli hostaged get back safely? How do you ensure Israeli people are safe from Hamas terrorists? If you didn't know these consequences, one can call it naivety. If you are doing verbal and mental gymnastics at all costs to avoid talking about these consequences even after people pointing them out so many times, it's not naivety but outright hate towards Israeli people ...keep going. Keep running away from questions
"They (left wingers) hate Israel simply because they are successful in a shithole of a region."
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" So actual ethnic cleansing is sometimes the kinder, or only viable option? Yes, in the same style as the partioning of India, which was not genocide. If it's a choice between killing all the Jews, in their only homeland - or driving all the Arabs into the twenty or so other Arab countries where they could eventually assimilate, then it is the lesser of the two evils." I would agree 100% with you but lets not also forget, as in all societies, that there are many Arab/Palestinians that prefer to live in the protection of Israel. Can't forget them. I personally know one such family living in the North of Israel who say they love living there, albeit my friend has left and now living in Oz lol. | |||
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"Guy Rofe ex IDF and zionist gynaecologist in Tel Aviv is accused of r4ping 26 women in his private clinic. He dru*ged the girls and r4ped them. Reports of sexual assaults in IDF are up by 24%. These zionists are as depraved as can be "LOL WOW So because one person or even a few have been arrested and convicted/charged of r*pe defines a nation? Hmm maybe we should look into our own culture lol. Please stop making such silly comments! | |||
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" I explained to you why your claim that "I just don't want innocent people to die" doesn't sound true because what you are asking for leads to death of Israeli people. If you have an answer to that, let me know. If not, please don't go around lecturing people to address questions directed at them in debate because you don't do that yourself. You are just following a typical left wing playbook. Ask for something that sounds innocuous in itself and back it with some virtue. The thing you are asking usually has a terrible consequence to some people. Shut down all questions about these consequences by hiding behind the virtue you claim to possess. That's what the socialists did throughout history. That's what the modern progressives do. As I told you before, none of it is driven by compassion or equality or any other virtue they claim to possess but by hatred and resentment towards some groups of people. There you go. You can see why there's no point in attempting any kind of reasoning. Yes I can see. Because you couldn't reason. All you have to do is to address the consequences of what you are asking for. How would you ensure Israeli hostaged get back safely? How do you ensure Israeli people are safe from Hamas terrorists? If you didn't know these consequences, one can call it naivety. If you are doing verbal and mental gymnastics at all costs to avoid talking about these consequences even after people pointing them out so many times, it's not naivety but outright hate towards Israeli people ...keep going. Keep running away from questions
"They (left wingers) hate Israel simply because they are successful in a shithole of a region."
What answer is there to such bizarre statements?"You don't have to talk about the statement if it sounds bizarre. I just asked you to address the consequences of what you are asking. The Israeli hostages will be dead and Hamas will make more attacks. Why do you want that? By not answering this and not even admitting that Hamas are terrorists who ought to be destroyed, you are only ceding that my statement wasn't really bizarre but it's the truth. | |||
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"Guy Rofe ex IDF and zionist gynaecologist in Tel Aviv is accused of r4ping 26 women in his private clinic. He dru*ged the girls and r4ped them. Reports of sexual assaults in IDF are up by 24%. These zionists are as depraved as can be "If true, the guy should be strung up by his balls. Now, should we judge South Asian Muslims in the UK by the notorious South Asian grooming gangs? | |||
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" I would agree 100% with you but lets not also forget, as in all societies, that there are many Arab/Palestinians that prefer to live in the protection of Israel. Can't forget them. I personally know one such family living in the North of Israel who say they love living there, albeit my friend has left and now living in Oz lol." I agree, it isn't black or white. Another option would be to create a brand new state in Sinai, in return for cancelling Egypt's national debt. Then give the Arab population a choice of where they would choose to live. In Israel, under Israeli law, in Sinai in a new state, or in some other Arab country, so long as they would take them. The problem would be if a majority choose to live in Israel, thus reducing the Jewish majority - so there would need to be a completely unmovable constitution that could not be changed under any circumstance. Maybe I was too harsh in suggesting they destroy the mosque - but they could close it up and prevent all access until peace is restored and Israeli sovereignty is accepted. | |||
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"I agree, it isn't black or white. Another option would be to create a brand new state in Sinai, in return for cancelling Egypt's national debt. Then give the Arab population a choice of where they would choose to live. In Israel, under Israeli law, in Sinai in a new state, or in some other Arab country, so long as they would take them. The problem would be if a majority choose to live in Israel, thus reducing the Jewish majority - so there would need to be a completely unmovable constitution that could not be changed under any circumstance. Maybe I was too harsh in suggesting they destroy the mosque - but they could close it up and prevent all access until peace is restored and Israeli sovereignty is accepted." Not harsh and all suggestions are valid. Sadly life is not as easy as we think. But then if we all thought the same way the world would be a great place. | |||
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" Assuming hamas can be destroyed, which it can't, because an ideology can have many guises and cannot be destroyed. But assuming they can. who would take over the power vaccum? I'm assuming you have an idea, especially after many more Gaza s will join hamas now because of what they witnessed . I'd love to hear this. Personally speaking, they've had decades to accept peace and they won't rest until all the Jews leave and Israel is no more. So, the only viable solution is to drive ever single Palestinian Arab out. That includes Judea and Samaria too. They should also destroy the Al Aqsa Mosque too, just to make sure the rest of the Muslim world gets the message." Did you know hamas had offered a peace deal in the past and and was nearly accepted by yitsak Rabin? It came close to a ceasefire and likely a peace deal. | |||
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" I explained to you why your claim that "I just don't want innocent people to die" doesn't sound true because what you are asking for leads to death of Israeli people. If you have an answer to that, let me know. If not, please don't go around lecturing people to address questions directed at them in debate because you don't do that yourself. You are just following a typical left wing playbook. Ask for something that sounds innocuous in itself and back it with some virtue. The thing you are asking usually has a terrible consequence to some people. Shut down all questions about these consequences by hiding behind the virtue you claim to possess. That's what the socialists did throughout history. That's what the modern progressives do. As I told you before, none of it is driven by compassion or equality or any other virtue they claim to possess but by hatred and resentment towards some groups of people. There you go. You can see why there's no point in attempting any kind of reasoning. Yes I can see. Because you couldn't reason. All you have to do is to address the consequences of what you are asking for. How would you ensure Israeli hostaged get back safely? How do you ensure Israeli people are safe from Hamas terrorists? If you didn't know these consequences, one can call it naivety. If you are doing verbal and mental gymnastics at all costs to avoid talking about these consequences even after people pointing them out so many times, it's not naivety but outright hate towards Israeli people ...keep going. Keep running away from questions
"They (left wingers) hate Israel simply because they are successful in a shithole of a region."
What answer is there to such bizarre statements?
You don't have to talk about the statement if it sounds bizarre. I just asked you to address the consequences of what you are asking. The Israeli hostages will be dead and Hamas will make more attacks. Why do you want that?
By not answering this and not even admitting that Hamas are terrorists who ought to be destroyed, you are only ceding that my statement wasn't really bizarre but it's the truth.
"Your questions have been answered over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over. Your only opinion is that Israel have no choice but to mass slaughter innocent civilians. What is the point in any kind of discourse? | |||
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" I explained to you why your claim that "I just don't want innocent people to die" doesn't sound true because what you are asking for leads to death of Israeli people. If you have an answer to that, let me know. If not, please don't go around lecturing people to address questions directed at them in debate because you don't do that yourself. You are just following a typical left wing playbook. Ask for something that sounds innocuous in itself and back it with some virtue. The thing you are asking usually has a terrible consequence to some people. Shut down all questions about these consequences by hiding behind the virtue you claim to possess. That's what the socialists did throughout history. That's what the modern progressives do. As I told you before, none of it is driven by compassion or equality or any other virtue they claim to possess but by hatred and resentment towards some groups of people. There you go. You can see why there's no point in attempting any kind of reasoning. Yes I can see. Because you couldn't reason. All you have to do is to address the consequences of what you are asking for. How would you ensure Israeli hostaged get back safely? How do you ensure Israeli people are safe from Hamas terrorists? If you didn't know these consequences, one can call it naivety. If you are doing verbal and mental gymnastics at all costs to avoid talking about these consequences even after people pointing them out so many times, it's not naivety but outright hate towards Israeli people ...keep going. Keep running away from questions
"They (left wingers) hate Israel simply because they are successful in a shithole of a region."
What answer is there to such bizarre statements?
You don't have to talk about the statement if it sounds bizarre. I just asked you to address the consequences of what you are asking. The Israeli hostages will be dead and Hamas will make more attacks. Why do you want that?
By not answering this and not even admitting that Hamas are terrorists who ought to be destroyed, you are only ceding that my statement wasn't really bizarre but it's the truth.
Your questions have been answered over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over. Your only opinion is that Israel have no choice but to mass slaughter innocent civilians. What is the point in any kind of discourse? "Ah here we go again
You going into parrot mode and repeatedly claiming that you answered the questions I asked when no other human on fab could find those answers. This is why I told you have no rights to lecture other people about how to debate.
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" I explained to you why your claim that "I just don't want innocent people to die" doesn't sound true because what you are asking for leads to death of Israeli people. If you have an answer to that, let me know. If not, please don't go around lecturing people to address questions directed at them in debate because you don't do that yourself. You are just following a typical left wing playbook. Ask for something that sounds innocuous in itself and back it with some virtue. The thing you are asking usually has a terrible consequence to some people. Shut down all questions about these consequences by hiding behind the virtue you claim to possess. That's what the socialists did throughout history. That's what the modern progressives do. As I told you before, none of it is driven by compassion or equality or any other virtue they claim to possess but by hatred and resentment towards some groups of people. There you go. You can see why there's no point in attempting any kind of reasoning. Yes I can see. Because you couldn't reason. All you have to do is to address the consequences of what you are asking for. How would you ensure Israeli hostaged get back safely? How do you ensure Israeli people are safe from Hamas terrorists? If you didn't know these consequences, one can call it naivety. If you are doing verbal and mental gymnastics at all costs to avoid talking about these consequences even after people pointing them out so many times, it's not naivety but outright hate towards Israeli people ...keep going. Keep running away from questions
"They (left wingers) hate Israel simply because they are successful in a shithole of a region."
What answer is there to such bizarre statements?
You don't have to talk about the statement if it sounds bizarre. I just asked you to address the consequences of what you are asking. The Israeli hostages will be dead and Hamas will make more attacks. Why do you want that?
By not answering this and not even admitting that Hamas are terrorists who ought to be destroyed, you are only ceding that my statement wasn't really bizarre but it's the truth.
Your questions have been answered over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over. Your only opinion is that Israel have no choice but to mass slaughter innocent civilians. What is the point in any kind of discourse?
Ah here we go again
You going into parrot mode and repeatedly claiming that you answered the questions I asked when no other human on fab could find those answers. This is why I told you have no rights to lecture other people about how to debate.
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"Israel, with U.S. assistance, launched a so-called “hostage rescue” mission in Gaza. Four Israeli hostages were rescued. Three others, including an American citizen, were killed. Along with more than 200 Palestinian civilians. The IDF force took casualties, with at least one senior commander being killed. In any normal society, this operation would be classified as a failure, and investigations launched. In Zionist Israel, they are celebrating. " Bit late on this one! Been posted in here last week! | |||
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"Israel, with U.S. assistance, launched a so-called “hostage rescue” mission in Gaza. Four Israeli hostages were rescued. Three others, including an American citizen, were killed. Along with more than 200 Palestinian civilians. The IDF force took casualties, with at least one senior commander being killed. In any normal society, this operation would be classified as a failure, and investigations launched. In Zionist Israel, they are celebrating. Bit late on this one! Been posted in here last week!" Haaretz exposes IDF Brig Gen Barak Hiram who gave the most controversial order during the October 7 battles to fire a tank shell at a Kibbutz Be'eri house where Hamas held hostages killing 13 Israelis inside. Also ‘I failed in my life’s mission’: Gaza Division head announces resignation. In a letters to army chief and mayors of border communities, Brig Gen Avi Rosenfeld says: 'Everyone has to take responsibility for their part'. The crumbling of the Zionist army intensifies when it's clear to the commanders out in the field that the sacrifice of their soldiers isn't translated into any achievements. | |||
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" Assuming hamas can be destroyed, which it can't, because an ideology can have many guises and cannot be destroyed. But assuming they can. who would take over the power vaccum? I'm assuming you have an idea, especially after many more Gaza s will join hamas now because of what they witnessed . I'd love to hear this. Personally speaking, they've had decades to accept peace and they won't rest until all the Jews leave and Israel is no more. So, the only viable solution is to drive ever single Palestinian Arab out. That includes Judea and Samaria too. They should also destroy the Al Aqsa Mosque too, just to make sure the rest of the Muslim world gets the message. Did you know hamas had offered a peace deal in the past and and was nearly accepted by yitsak Rabin? It came close to a ceasefire and likely a peace deal." Do you mean the Oslo Accords? Mrs x | |||
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"Israel, with U.S. assistance, launched a so-called “hostage rescue” mission in Gaza. Four Israeli hostages were rescued. Three others, including an American citizen, were killed. Along with more than 200 Palestinian civilians. The IDF force took casualties, with at least one senior commander being killed. In any normal society, this operation would be classified as a failure, and investigations launched. In Zionist Israel, they are celebrating. Bit late on this one! Been posted in here last week!" Latest for you. The grandson of former Knesset member Moshe Feiglin, one of the settler leaders who called for killing and expelling the all Palestinians, was killed during the house bombing in Rafah. This demon once said "Hitler was an unparalleled military genius. Nazism promoted Germany from a low to a fantastic physical and ideological status. The ragged, trashy youth body turned into a neat and orderly part of society and Germany received an exemplary regime, a proper justice system and public order. Hitler savored good music. He would paint. This was no bunch of thugs. They merely used thugs and homosexuals." Terrorist Moshe Feiglin also Celebrated the 2020 Beirut explosions, which killed at least 220 people and injured thousands more, Feiglin referred to the explosion as "a spectacular pyrotechnics show". | |||
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"Israel, with U.S. assistance, launched a so-called “hostage rescue” mission in Gaza. Four Israeli hostages were rescued. Three others, including an American citizen, were killed. Along with more than 200 Palestinian civilians. The IDF force took casualties, with at least one senior commander being killed. In any normal society, this operation would be classified as a failure, and investigations launched. In Zionist Israel, they are celebrating. Bit late on this one! Been posted in here last week! Latest for you. The grandson of former Knesset member Moshe Feiglin, one of the settler leaders who called for killing and expelling the all Palestinians, was killed during the house bombing in Rafah. This demon once said "Hitler was an unparalleled military genius. Nazism promoted Germany from a low to a fantastic physical and ideological status. The ragged, trashy youth body turned into a neat and orderly part of society and Germany received an exemplary regime, a proper justice system and public order. Hitler savored good music. He would paint. This was no bunch of thugs. They merely used thugs and homosexuals." Terrorist Moshe Feiglin also Celebrated the 2020 Beirut explosions, which killed at least 220 people and injured thousands more, Feiglin referred to the explosion as "a spectacular pyrotechnics show". " Well in this case good riddance to bad rubbish! | |||
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"Israel, with U.S. assistance, launched a so-called “hostage rescue” mission in Gaza. Four Israeli hostages were rescued. Three others, including an American citizen, were killed. Along with more than 200 Palestinian civilians. The IDF force took casualties, with at least one senior commander being killed. In any normal society, this operation would be classified as a failure, and investigations launched. In Zionist Israel, they are celebrating. Bit late on this one! Been posted in here last week! Latest for you. The grandson of former Knesset member Moshe Feiglin, one of the settler leaders who called for killing and expelling the all Palestinians, was killed during the house bombing in Rafah. This demon once said "Hitler was an unparalleled military genius. Nazism promoted Germany from a low to a fantastic physical and ideological status. The ragged, trashy youth body turned into a neat and orderly part of society and Germany received an exemplary regime, a proper justice system and public order. Hitler savored good music. He would paint. This was no bunch of thugs. They merely used thugs and homosexuals." Terrorist Moshe Feiglin also Celebrated the 2020 Beirut explosions, which killed at least 220 people and injured thousands more, Feiglin referred to the explosion as "a spectacular pyrotechnics show". Well in this case good riddance to bad rubbish!" Its his grandson that got killed. Not the politician. | |||
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"Israel, with U.S. assistance, launched a so-called “hostage rescue” mission in Gaza. Four Israeli hostages were rescued. Three others, including an American citizen, were killed. Along with more than 200 Palestinian civilians. The IDF force took casualties, with at least one senior commander being killed. In any normal society, this operation would be classified as a failure, and investigations launched. In Zionist Israel, they are celebrating. Bit late on this one! Been posted in here last week! Latest for you. The grandson of former Knesset member Moshe Feiglin, one of the settler leaders who called for killing and expelling the all Palestinians, was killed during the house bombing in Rafah. This demon once said "Hitler was an unparalleled military genius. Nazism promoted Germany from a low to a fantastic physical and ideological status. The ragged, trashy youth body turned into a neat and orderly part of society and Germany received an exemplary regime, a proper justice system and public order. Hitler savored good music. He would paint. This was no bunch of thugs. They merely used thugs and homosexuals." Terrorist Moshe Feiglin also Celebrated the 2020 Beirut explosions, which killed at least 220 people and injured thousands more, Feiglin referred to the explosion as "a spectacular pyrotechnics show". Well in this case good riddance to bad rubbish!" Couldn’t agree more | |||
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" Did you know hamas had offered a peace deal in the past and and was nearly accepted by yitsak Rabin? It came close to a ceasefire and likely a peace deal. Do you mean Fatah?" Erm no. I remember it was s deal with the Palistine Liberation organisation , until some Israeli far right nut job assassinated the Israeli president yiztak Rabin. Plunging Isreal into a never ending war. Incidentally, I don't think Netenyahu wasn't too critical of the assassination. | |||
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"Do you think the Israel people should be able to live in peace without the fear of a terrorist organisation attacking them? Do you think it’s wrong for them to fight back after being attacked or should they just sit back and take it? As far as I’m concerned, the bully is getting bullied, and they have fled and are hiding while the innocent take the beating on their behalf and their stupid religion allows it to happen. Muslims all over the world condemn Israel but I’ve not heard and say a bad word about the terrorist that started all this. Most of the Islamic countries around the region have death penalty for gays and treat women like shit. If the West even talks about it, they tell "This is our culture. The West should mind their own business. They shouldn't interfere in our issues." When they get fucked by Israel because the terrorists among them attacked Israel, they suddenly want the West to interfere and stop Israel. " And do you boycott petrol from the UAE/ Saudi Arabia? Because they behead people in the street for similar!! Or arsenal for being owned by dodgy Arabs like Newcastle United? You know.. my guess is you don't! | |||
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"Do you think the Israel people should be able to live in peace without the fear of a terrorist organisation attacking them? Do you think it’s wrong for them to fight back after being attacked or should they just sit back and take it? As far as I’m concerned, the bully is getting bullied, and they have fled and are hiding while the innocent take the beating on their behalf and their stupid religion allows it to happen. Muslims all over the world condemn Israel but I’ve not heard and say a bad word about the terrorist that started all this. Most of the Islamic countries around the region have death penalty for gays and treat women like shit. If the West even talks about it, they tell "This is our culture. The West should mind their own business. They shouldn't interfere in our issues." When they get fucked by Israel because the terrorists among them attacked Israel, they suddenly want the West to interfere and stop Israel. And do you boycott petrol from the UAE/ Saudi Arabia? Because they behead people in the street for similar!! Or arsenal for being owned by dodgy Arabs like Newcastle United? You know.. my guess is you don't!" Fantastic whataboutery. Well done you | |||
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"Do you think the Israel people should be able to live in peace without the fear of a terrorist organisation attacking them? Do you think it’s wrong for them to fight back after being attacked or should they just sit back and take it? As far as I’m concerned, the bully is getting bullied, and they have fled and are hiding while the innocent take the beating on their behalf and their stupid religion allows it to happen. Muslims all over the world condemn Israel but I’ve not heard and say a bad word about the terrorist that started all this. Most of the Islamic countries around the region have death penalty for gays and treat women like shit. If the West even talks about it, they tell "This is our culture. The West should mind their own business. They shouldn't interfere in our issues." When they get fucked by Israel because the terrorists among them attacked Israel, they suddenly want the West to interfere and stop Israel. And do you boycott petrol from the UAE/ Saudi Arabia? Because they behead people in the street for similar!! Or arsenal for being owned by dodgy Arabs like Newcastle United? You know.. my guess is you don't! Fantastic whataboutery. Well done you "Could you be more specific about that? | |||
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"Do you think the Israel people should be able to live in peace without the fear of a terrorist organisation attacking them? Do you think it’s wrong for them to fight back after being attacked or should they just sit back and take it? As far as I’m concerned, the bully is getting bullied, and they have fled and are hiding while the innocent take the beating on their behalf and their stupid religion allows it to happen. Muslims all over the world condemn Israel but I’ve not heard and say a bad word about the terrorist that started all this. Most of the Islamic countries around the region have death penalty for gays and treat women like shit. If the West even talks about it, they tell "This is our culture. The West should mind their own business. They shouldn't interfere in our issues." When they get fucked by Israel because the terrorists among them attacked Israel, they suddenly want the West to interfere and stop Israel. And do you boycott petrol from the UAE/ Saudi Arabia? Because they behead people in the street for similar!! Or arsenal for being owned by dodgy Arabs like Newcastle United? You know.. my guess is you don't! Fantastic whataboutery. Well done you ""Whataboutery" : the last defence of a hypocrite
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"Do you think the Israel people should be able to live in peace without the fear of a terrorist organisation attacking them? Do you think it’s wrong for them to fight back after being attacked or should they just sit back and take it? As far as I’m concerned, the bully is getting bullied, and they have fled and are hiding while the innocent take the beating on their behalf and their stupid religion allows it to happen. Muslims all over the world condemn Israel but I’ve not heard and say a bad word about the terrorist that started all this. Most of the Islamic countries around the region have death penalty for gays and treat women like shit. If the West even talks about it, they tell "This is our culture. The West should mind their own business. They shouldn't interfere in our issues." When they get fucked by Israel because the terrorists among them attacked Israel, they suddenly want the West to interfere and stop Israel. And do you boycott petrol from the UAE/ Saudi Arabia? Because they behead people in the street for similar!! Or arsenal for being owned by dodgy Arabs like Newcastle United? You know.. my guess is you don't!" You keep Arsenal out of this please. I will have you know we are owned by dodgy Americans. | |||
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"Still don't get how the world hasn't come together to rid our planet of Terrorism. Hamas is just one Terrorist group that need to be demolished. Good to hear that the IDF recovered 4 hostages seemingly unharmed in Gaza. That in itself is a miracle as Hamas are ruthless killers so something is scaring the hell out of them. Just so terrible Hamas are happily putting their own people in front of them to shield their own disgusting lives." most terrorist organisations are backed by a few countries including the US. The military industrial complex is a real thing. It makes a lot of people a lot of money so not in their interest to get rid of terrorism. Many western countries back these terrorists… US currently shifting $40-80million a week to the Taliban. They funded the mujahideen, they backed Saddam Hussein and they are shifting plenty of billions in Ukraine and most of it hasn’t been accounted for. The world is a very corrupt place , | |||
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"Do you think the Israel people should be able to live in peace without the fear of a terrorist organisation attacking them? Do you think it’s wrong for them to fight back after being attacked or should they just sit back and take it? As far as I’m concerned, the bully is getting bullied, and they have fled and are hiding while the innocent take the beating on their behalf and their stupid religion allows it to happen. Muslims all over the world condemn Israel but I’ve not heard and say a bad word about the terrorist that started all this. Most of the Islamic countries around the region have death penalty for gays and treat women like shit. If the West even talks about it, they tell "This is our culture. The West should mind their own business. They shouldn't interfere in our issues." When they get fucked by Israel because the terrorists among them attacked Israel, they suddenly want the West to interfere and stop Israel. And do you boycott petrol from the UAE/ Saudi Arabia? Because they behead people in the street for similar!! Or arsenal for being owned by dodgy Arabs like Newcastle United? You know.. my guess is you don't! Fantastic whataboutery. Well done you
"Whataboutery" : the last defence of a hypocrite
I've an abundance of posts on why I don't defend war criminals.. do you?"I have no real need to virtue signal. With all your vast and worthy knowledge of the situation, why don't you tell us all about your solution. Please feel free to add as much detail as you like | |||
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"Do you think the Israel people should be able to live in peace without the fear of a terrorist organisation attacking them? Do you think it’s wrong for them to fight back after being attacked or should they just sit back and take it? As far as I’m concerned, the bully is getting bullied, and they have fled and are hiding while the innocent take the beating on their behalf and their stupid religion allows it to happen. Muslims all over the world condemn Israel but I’ve not heard and say a bad word about the terrorist that started all this. Most of the Islamic countries around the region have death penalty for gays and treat women like shit. If the West even talks about it, they tell "This is our culture. The West should mind their own business. They shouldn't interfere in our issues." When they get fucked by Israel because the terrorists among them attacked Israel, they suddenly want the West to interfere and stop Israel. And do you boycott petrol from the UAE/ Saudi Arabia? Because they behead people in the street for similar!! Or arsenal for being owned by dodgy Arabs like Newcastle United? You know.. my guess is you don't!" I don't because I am not here to virtue signal. I am not going to boycott US, Israel or Islamic countries for that matter. But people like you who are outraged by Israel and want to boycott their products must be definitely boycotting products from the Islamic countries given the horrible atrocities they commit? | |||
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" Did you know hamas had offered a peace deal in the past and and was nearly accepted by yitsak Rabin? It came close to a ceasefire and likely a peace deal. Do you mean Fatah? Erm no. I remember it was s deal with the Palistine Liberation organisation , until some Israeli far right nut job assassinated the Israeli president yiztak Rabin. Plunging Isreal into a never ending war. Incidentally, I don't think Netenyahu wasn't too critical of the assassination." Hamas is a rival of Fatah (they famously killed a bunch of them following their assumption of power in Gaza). Fatah is the organisation that Arafat led. Fatah is moderately secular, whereas Hamas is conservatively religious. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatah Fatah (/'f??t?, f?'t??/ FAH-t?, f?-TAH; Arabic: ???, romanized: Fat?, Palestinian pronunciation: ['f?t?h]), formally the Palestinian National Liberation Movement (???? ??????? ?????? ?????????, ?arakat al-Ta?rir al-Wa?ani l-Filas?ini),[23] is a Palestinian nationalist and social democratic political party. It is the largest faction of the confederated multi-party Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) and the second-largest party in the Palestinian Legislative Council (PLC). Mahmoud Abbas, the President of the Palestinian Authority, is the chairman of Fatah. ... Yasser Arafat was the primary founder of Fatah and its leader until his 2004 death. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas Hamas,[d] an acronym of its official name, Harakat al-Muqawama al-Islamiya (Arabic: ???? ???????? ?????????, romanized: ?arakat al-Muqawamah al-?Islamiyyah, lit.?'Islamic Resistance Movement'),[56] is a Palestinian Sunni Islamist[57] political and military movement governing parts of the Israeli-occupied Gaza Strip since 2007.[58] | |||
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"Still don't get how the world hasn't come together to rid our planet of Terrorism. Hamas is just one Terrorist group that need to be demolished. Good to hear that the IDF recovered 4 hostages seemingly unharmed in Gaza. That in itself is a miracle as Hamas are ruthless killers so something is scaring the hell out of them. Just so terrible Hamas are happily putting their own people in front of them to shield their own disgusting lives. most terrorist organisations are backed by a few countries including the US. The military industrial complex is a real thing. It makes a lot of people a lot of money so not in their interest to get rid of terrorism. Many western countries back these terrorists… US currently shifting $40-80million a week to the Taliban. They funded the mujahideen, they backed Saddam Hussein and they are shifting plenty of billions in Ukraine and most of it hasn’t been accounted for. The world is a very corrupt place , " This plus the Gaza strip is a good testing area for new weapons, surveillance and other military equipment and tactics | |||
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"Zionists are obsessed with sexual violence. Disturbing videos emerging of zionist man in a van pulls over to shout at woman wearing a keffiyeh on the street, “you support Hamas?” he follows her for blocks in his car, says “Hamas would r4pe you” using gender violence propaganda to justify genocide while literally stalking & threatening a woman* walking home. Disgusting "
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"So many disturbing videos "emerging". Boy this thread is so fun "If women being harassed , stalked and threatened with R4pe is fun for you then take note fabbers. Forums are best place to know who to block | |||
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"So many disturbing videos "emerging". Boy this thread is so fun
If women being harassed , stalked and threatened with R4pe is fun for you then take note fabbers. Forums are best place to know who to block "Pretty sure you know that's not what I meant when I said fun. But please continue
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"Very sad that some don't understand that Hamas are Evil and need to be removed completely before Gaza can be run correctly and safely for the civilians living there." Isn't Isreal just as evil by collectively punishing the whole of Gaza by fencing them in, starving them and using very high civilian casualty to hamas kill ratios? | |||
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"Very sad that some don't understand that Hamas are Evil and need to be removed completely before Gaza can be run correctly and safely for the civilians living there. Isn't Isreal just as evil by collectively punishing the whole of Gaza by fencing them in, starving them and using very high civilian casualty to hamas kill ratios?" Why can't the Palestinians turn out Hamas themselves given that Hamas is the root cause of all their problems? | |||
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"Very sad that some don't understand that Hamas are Evil and need to be removed completely before Gaza can be run correctly and safely for the civilians living there. Isn't Isreal just as evil by collectively punishing the whole of Gaza by fencing them in, starving them and using very high civilian casualty to hamas kill ratios? Why can't the Palestinians turn out Hamas themselves given that Hamas is the root cause of all their problems?" Perhaps because they have the guns and palisitinians haven't? | |||
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"Very sad that some don't understand that Hamas are Evil and need to be removed completely before Gaza can be run correctly and safely for the civilians living there. Isn't Isreal just as evil by collectively punishing the whole of Gaza by fencing them in, starving them and using very high civilian casualty to hamas kill ratios? Why can't the Palestinians turn out Hamas themselves given that Hamas is the root cause of all their problems? Perhaps because they have the guns and palisitinians haven't?" Are you saying Hamas are using guns to force the entire Palestinian population? | |||
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"Very sad that some don't understand that Hamas are Evil and need to be removed completely before Gaza can be run correctly and safely for the civilians living there. Isn't Isreal just as evil by collectively punishing the whole of Gaza by fencing them in, starving them and using very high civilian casualty to hamas kill ratios?" The difference is that the media label one lot "terrorists". That one word is enough for some people. | |||
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"Very sad that some don't understand that Hamas are Evil and need to be removed completely before Gaza can be run correctly and safely for the civilians living there. Isn't Isreal just as evil by collectively punishing the whole of Gaza by fencing them in, starving them and using very high civilian casualty to hamas kill ratios? Why can't the Palestinians turn out Hamas themselves given that Hamas is the root cause of all their problems? Perhaps because they have the guns and palisitinians haven't? Are you saying Hamas are using guns to force the entire Palestinian population?" If they did overthrow hamas would Isreal stop persecuting palisitinians? Because Isreal is older than hamas | |||
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"Very sad that some don't understand that Hamas are Evil and need to be removed completely before Gaza can be run correctly and safely for the civilians living there. Isn't Isreal just as evil by collectively punishing the whole of Gaza by fencing them in, starving them and using very high civilian casualty to hamas kill ratios? Why can't the Palestinians turn out Hamas themselves given that Hamas is the root cause of all their problems? Perhaps because they have the guns and palisitinians haven't? Are you saying Hamas are using guns to force the entire Palestinian population? If they did overthrow hamas would Isreal stop persecuting palisitinians? " If they overthrow Hamas, this war would see an ending as Israel's goal is to destroy Hamas. After that, they can negotiate a two state solution. " Because Isreal is older than hamas " Why does the age of Israel matter here? | |||
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" If they overthrow Hamas, this war would see an ending as Israel's goal is to destroy Hamas. After that, they can negotiate a two state solution " A two-state solution is a strange Western idea that will not bring peace. There was already a two-state solution in place in 1922, when Transjordan (Jordan) was created as 'Arab Palestine', and that achieved nothing. Arabs do not want Jews to have any power in the land of Israel, because they think it should all be their land; it's against Islamic law to allow 'dhimmi' to hold any authority over Muslims. | |||
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" If they overthrow Hamas, this war would see an ending as Israel's goal is to destroy Hamas. After that, they can negotiate a two state solution A two-state solution is a strange Western idea that will not bring peace. There was already a two-state solution in place in 1922, when Transjordan (Jordan) was created as 'Arab Palestine', and that achieved nothing. Arabs do not want Jews to have any power in the land of Israel, because they think it should all be their land; it's against Islamic law to allow 'dhimmi' to hold any authority over Muslims." The only reason Isreal was created was because the British Government needed favours from the Jewish community during ww1. Palisitinians who'd lived there for many generations were kicked out to make room for European settlers to create a colony which used apartheid to suppress others a racist country in other words. Since fencing on the palistinian to opress them including refugees from the land theft, being starved, denied food water and medical aid had the ordacity to mind being treated badly by a racist regime imposed on them. I doubt the dhimmi ideology is foremost in their minds while being murdered. But hey, why don't those palisitinians stand still to be murdered ? Its so inconsiderate of them making Israel waste ammo  | |||
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" If they overthrow Hamas, this war would see an ending as Israel's goal is to destroy Hamas. After that, they can negotiate a two state solution A two-state solution is a strange Western idea that will not bring peace. There was already a two-state solution in place in 1922, when Transjordan (Jordan) was created as 'Arab Palestine', and that achieved nothing. Arabs do not want Jews to have any power in the land of Israel, because they think it should all be their land; it's against Islamic law to allow 'dhimmi' to hold any authority over Muslims." Oh I totally agree. Truth is Israel is surrounded by people who want them destroyed. Instead of making it a war, they use terror groups like Hamas to attack Israel so that they can avoid taking responsibility. Pretty similar to what Pakistan does with India. And their useful idiots in the West lap it up and start calling any retaliation "collective punishment". From Israeli perspective, destroying Hamas gives them breathing space before a new terror outfit forms. They could take advantage of the situation and offer a two-state solution. If Palestine doesn't take it or they take it and later attack Israel again, the useful idiots in the West will have no ground to stand on because there is no way they can defend these actions if the Arabs are just looking for peace as they claim. | |||
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" If they overthrow Hamas, this war would see an ending as Israel's goal is to destroy Hamas. After that, they can negotiate a two state solution A two-state solution is a strange Western idea that will not bring peace. There was already a two-state solution in place in 1922, when Transjordan (Jordan) was created as 'Arab Palestine', and that achieved nothing. Arabs do not want Jews to have any power in the land of Israel, because they think it should all be their land; it's against Islamic law to allow 'dhimmi' to hold any authority over Muslims. The only reason Isreal was created was because the British Government needed favours from the Jewish community during ww1. Palisitinians who'd lived there for many generations were kicked out to make room for European settlers to create a colony which used apartheid to suppress others a racist country in other words. Since fencing on the palistinian to opress them including refugees from the land theft, being starved, denied food water and medical aid had the ordacity to mind being treated badly by a racist regime imposed on them. I doubt the dhimmi ideology is foremost in their minds while being murdered. But hey, why don't those palisitinians stand still to be murdered ? Its so inconsiderate of them making Israel waste ammo "So are you arguing that Israel the country shouldn't exist? Does that mean Israelis should stand in line and get killed? | |||
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" The only reason Isreal was created was because the British Government needed favours from the Jewish community during ww1." You haven't studied history have you? Yes, it was an advantage to support the Zionist objective, but refugees had been living there for a generation before the UK endorsed it. They owned their own land, irrigated deserts and drained swamps. Nothing was stoIen. " Palisitinians who'd lived there for many generations were kicked out to make room for European settlers" Comparing Jewish refugees to European colonialists is antisemitic. Pure and simple, it's a common trope used to deny Jews self determination in their only homeland. Arabs colonised the area, they are indigenous to the Arabian Peninsula and not the land of Israel. The mosque was built on top of the temple - this is classic colonialism, just like Christians building churches on top of pagan shrines. At every point in history, Arabs attacked first. There was more than enough room for everyone, but Nazi supporting Arabs under the influence of Haj Amin Al Husseini started a war and lost. They were pushed back in a military defence and have been claiming victimhood ever since. | |||
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" So are you arguing that Israel the country shouldn't exist? Does that mean Israelis should stand in line and get killed?" He does this a lot. | |||
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"No state has a right to exist. Not the Soviet Union, not Czechoslovakia, not the Zionist apartheid state of Israel. Fuck Israehell " It isn't apartheid and you know full well that it isn't. | |||
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"No state has a right to exist. Not the Soviet Union, not Czechoslovakia, not the Zionist apartheid state of Israel. Fuck Israehell " Also, the Soviet Union and Czechoslovakia haven't existed for a long time. I think you're out of touch. | |||
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" If they overthrow Hamas, this war would see an ending as Israel's goal is to destroy Hamas. After that, they can negotiate a two state solution A two-state solution is a strange Western idea that will not bring peace. There was already a two-state solution in place in 1922, when Transjordan (Jordan) was created as 'Arab Palestine', and that achieved nothing. Arabs do not want Jews to have any power in the land of Israel, because they think it should all be their land; it's against Islamic law to allow 'dhimmi' to hold any authority over Muslims. The only reason Isreal was created was because the British Government needed favours from the Jewish community during ww1. Palisitinians who'd lived there for many generations were kicked out to make room for European settlers to create a colony which used apartheid to suppress others a racist country in other words. Since fencing on the palistinian to opress them including refugees from the land theft, being starved, denied food water and medical aid had the ordacity to mind being treated badly by a racist regime imposed on them. I doubt the dhimmi ideology is foremost in their minds while being murdered. But hey, why don't those palisitinians stand still to be murdered ? Its so inconsiderate of them making Israel waste ammo
So are you arguing that Israel the country shouldn't exist? Does that mean Israelis should stand in line and get killed?"Isreal shouldn't exist in uts current form i.e an aphartied racist state that murders endlessly, takes land illegally and ignores countless UN resolutions against it . Think of South Africa when Nelson Mandela was incarcerated. Netenyahu wants the earnto continue and keeps holding back on an election, because a day of Reckoning is coming for him and gallant. He's ignored lotsmof opportunities ntongrt hostages out, he's even investigated on corruption . Isreal has massively fucked up by its long standing attitude and mindset that what they're doing is the only way to peacenand it frankly isn't. | |||
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"No state has a right to exist. Not the Soviet Union, not Czechoslovakia, not the Zionist apartheid state of Israel. Fuck Israehell It isn't apartheid and you know full well that it isn't." Just like apartheid South Africa Israel will cease to exist. Zionist wants you to believe It’s war between two states Israel and Palestine but in reality it’s an occupation of indigenous Palestinian populations by European Askhanzis. There is only solution which is there is only state from the river to the sea where everyone lives equal and free. Israel is apartheid regime because Israel and the occupied Palestinian territory constitute one territorial unit under full Israeli control. Palestinians constitute around half of the total population (inside Israel and in the oPt), yet under Israeli law, and in practice, Jewish Israelis and Palestinians are treated differently in almost every aspect of life: housing, education, health, employment, family life, residence, and freedom of movement. Dozens of Israeli laws and policies institutionalise this prevailing system of racial discrimination and domination. Segregation is carried out by implementing separate legal regimes for Jewish Israelis and Palestinians living in the same area. In the occupied West Bank, Jewish Israeli settlers living in illegal settlements are governed by Israeli civil law, while Palestinians also living in the West Bank are governed by Israeli military law. In Israel itself, there exists no ‘Israeli’ nationality shared by all citizens, Jewish and non-Jewish alike. Rather, citizens are divided into ‘national’ categories of ‘Jewish’, which affords them a set of rights and privileges above the other categories, or ‘Arab’ with comparatively restricted rights and privileges. This separation was reiterated when Israel passed the Nation State Law in 2018, essentially codifying decades of discrimination and enshrining two classes of citizens in law. Israel carries out various acts that are prohibited by the UN Apartheid Convention including: Forcible transfer of Palestinians to make way for illegal Israeli settlements. Preventing Palestinians from returning to their homes and lands (including millions of refugees living in exile). Systematic and severe deprivation of fundamental human rights of Palestinians based on their identity. Denying Palestinians their right to freedom of movement and residence (especially, but not limited to Palestinians in the Gaza Strip). Murder, torture, unlawful imprisonment and other severe deprivation of physical liberty. Persecution of Palestinians because of their opposition to apartheid. Fuck apartheid Israehell | |||
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"No state has a right to exist. Not the Soviet Union, not Czechoslovakia, not the Zionist apartheid state of Israel. Fuck Israehell It isn't apartheid and you know full well that it isn't. Just like apartheid South Africa Israel will cease to exist. Zionist wants you to believe It’s war between two states Israel and Palestine but in reality it’s an occupation of indigenous Palestinian populations by European Askhanzis. There is only solution which is there is only state from the river to the sea where everyone lives equal and free. Israel is apartheid regime because Israel and the occupied Palestinian territory constitute one territorial unit under full Israeli control. Palestinians constitute around half of the total population (inside Israel and in the oPt), yet under Israeli law, and in practice, Jewish Israelis and Palestinians are treated differently in almost every aspect of life: housing, education, health, employment, family life, residence, and freedom of movement. Dozens of Israeli laws and policies institutionalise this prevailing system of racial discrimination and domination. Segregation is carried out by implementing separate legal regimes for Jewish Israelis and Palestinians living in the same area. In the occupied West Bank, Jewish Israeli settlers living in illegal settlements are governed by Israeli civil law, while Palestinians also living in the West Bank are governed by Israeli military law. In Israel itself, there exists no ‘Israeli’ nationality shared by all citizens, Jewish and non-Jewish alike. Rather, citizens are divided into ‘national’ categories of ‘Jewish’, which affords them a set of rights and privileges above the other categories, or ‘Arab’ with comparatively restricted rights and privileges. This separation was reiterated when Israel passed the Nation State Law in 2018, essentially codifying decades of discrimination and enshrining two classes of citizens in law. Israel carries out various acts that are prohibited by the UN Apartheid Convention including: Forcible transfer of Palestinians to make way for illegal Israeli settlements. Preventing Palestinians from returning to their homes and lands (including millions of refugees living in exile). Systematic and severe deprivation of fundamental human rights of Palestinians based on their identity. Denying Palestinians their right to freedom of movement and residence (especially, but not limited to Palestinians in the Gaza Strip). Murder, torture, unlawful imprisonment and other severe deprivation of physical liberty. Persecution of Palestinians because of their opposition to apartheid. Fuck apartheid Israehell "If Zionist doesn’t want to live in peace with Palestinians then they can fuck off to Epstein island. | |||
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"No state has a right to exist. Not the Soviet Union, not Czechoslovakia, not the Zionist apartheid state of Israel. Fuck Israehell Also, the Soviet Union and Czechoslovakia haven't existed for a long time. I think you're out of touch. "Just like Nazi Germany Nazi Israel have no right to exist  | |||
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"So many disturbing videos "emerging". Boy this thread is so fun
If women being harassed , stalked and threatened with R4pe is fun for you then take note fabbers. Forums are best place to know who to block
Pretty sure you know that's not what I meant when I said fun. But please continue ."Just own it what you said. Which videos are more fun for you? Palestinians kids getting striped and sexually assaulted by IDF terrorists or women getting harassed, stalked and threatened with R4pe by Zionists. Your attitude is sickening Andrew flag for other forum users. | |||
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"No state has a right to exist. Not the Soviet Union, not Czechoslovakia, not the Zionist apartheid state of Israel. Fuck Israehell Also, the Soviet Union and Czechoslovakia haven't existed for a long time. I think you're out of touch. "Spain's Foreign Minister Jose Manuel Albares said his country's consulate in Jerusalem Palestine has existed "long before Israel was created"
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"Isn't Isreal just as evil by collectively punishing the whole of Gaza by fencing them in, starving them and using very high civilian casualty to hamas kill ratios?" The only recent story around Israel and Evil is the story of Hamas. It's been well established by nearly every intelligence agency around the world that Hamas is an Evil Terrorist organization. This also being backed by the stories of the Atrocities committed by Hamas by many including a son of an Hamas co-founder, Mosab Hassan Yousef. So given that Hamas is a Terrorist organization and what we know is common with most Terrorist organizations, we have to agree that Israel have no option but to go and destroy Hamas. Given the well documented actions of Terrorist, we also know that Hamas will FORCE innocent civilians to stay where they are knowing that they will die and protect themselves. No one, including Israel is wanting to harm innocent civilians, but what else can you do but go in and attempt to kill off the Hamas. It's either that or let Hamas continue with their brutal, murderous activities. IF Israel allowed everyone to leave while they went in, surely you can see Hamas leaving as well, only to come back in real force. Mosab Hassan Yousef explains this in his interviews and speeches. | |||
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"Agreed. Best to get rid of all Terrorists like Hamas. Eliminate them from our planet Including IDF?" IDF=ISIS | |||
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"Isn't Isreal just as evil by collectively punishing the whole of Gaza by fencing them in, starving them and using very high civilian casualty to hamas kill ratios? The only recent story around Israel and Evil is the story of Hamas. It's been well established by nearly every intelligence agency around the world that Hamas is an Evil Terrorist organization. This also being backed by the stories of the Atrocities committed by Hamas by many including a son of an Hamas co-founder, Mosab Hassan Yousef. So given that Hamas is a Terrorist organization and what we know is common with most Terrorist organizations, we have to agree that Israel have no option but to go and destroy Hamas. Given the well documented actions of Terrorist, we also know that Hamas will FORCE innocent civilians to stay where they are knowing that they will die and protect themselves. No one, including Israel is wanting to harm innocent civilians, but what else can you do but go in and attempt to kill off the Hamas. It's either that or let Hamas continue with their brutal, murderous activities. IF Israel allowed everyone to leave while they went in, surely you can see Hamas leaving as well, only to come back in real force. Mosab Hassan Yousef explains this in his interviews and speeches." Son of a IDF General, Mike Peled whose grandfather, Avraham Katznelson, after whom he was named, signed Israel's Declaration of Independence. His father, Mattityahu Peled, who fought in the 1948 Arab–Israeli War and served as a general in the Six-Day War of 1967 has written in his book that the "IDF lusts for blood," has called the peace process "a process of apartheid & colonization", and has accused Israeli officials of "ethnic cleansing." he has repeatedly referred to the IDF as an "Israeli terrorist organization" that is part of a "well-oiled ethnic cleansing machine." He has also written that Israel's educational system is designed to turn Israeli children into racists who view Palestinians "as culturally inferior, violent and bent on the annihilation of the Jews, and...void of a true national identity," and "as a problem that must be solved and as a threat that must be eliminated." Fuck Israehell, Fuck Israeli Diaper force | |||
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