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"Elsa", abandoned earlier this year, is full sister to abandoned "Harry" 2017 and "Roman" 2019.
Heartbreaking.
No judgement, but I can only assume the mother is obese for people not to have noticed three bodily changes.
Would the children or mother be in danger if she kept them?
It beggars belief in this day and age.
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"but I can only assume the mother is obese for people not to have noticed three bodily changes.
WTAF????
Yeah this cracked me up too lol"
Why?
It is very rare women can hide 9 month pregnancies. My daughter, who is obese, could for say 7 months.
It's not a judgement but a theory as to why a neighbour, family, friend, colleague hasn't come forward. |
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"Sickening that any parent could do this. Get sterilised or something. Abandoning a child is abhorrent. It's low and it's disgusting and yes I'm judging. Saying it as it is"
You're not saying it as it is, you're saying it as you think it is.
Maybe the the father should get sterilised.
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By *otMe66Man 34 weeks ago
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"Sickening that any parent could do this. Get sterilised or something. Abandoning a child is abhorrent. It's low and it's disgusting and yes I'm judging. Saying it as it is
You're not saying it as it is, you're saying it as you think it is.
Maybe the the father should get sterilised.
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He said any parent, he could be referring to both mother and father. |
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"Sickening that any parent could do this. Get sterilised or something. Abandoning a child is abhorrent. It's low and it's disgusting and yes I'm judging. Saying it as it is
You're not saying it as it is, you're saying it as you think it is.
Maybe the the father should get sterilised.
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That's assuming it's the same father, and that's assuming there was consent given
The lady could be a victim of abuse.
I just think it's an awful situation for everyone involved and the lady hopefully accesses the help she needs in whatever shape or form |
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By *eavenNhellCouple 34 weeks ago
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"Sickening that any parent could do this. Get sterilised or something. Abandoning a child is abhorrent. It's low and it's disgusting and yes I'm judging. Saying it as it is
You're not saying it as it is, you're saying it as you think it is.
Maybe the the father should get sterilised.
That's assuming it's the same father, and that's assuming there was consent given
The lady could be a victim of abuse.
I just think it's an awful situation for everyone involved and the lady hopefully accesses the help she needs in whatever shape or form"
its reported that it is the same farther and mother in all three cases |
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"Sickening that any parent could do this. Get sterilised or something. Abandoning a child is abhorrent. It's low and it's disgusting and yes I'm judging. Saying it as it is
You're not saying it as it is, you're saying it as you think it is.
Maybe the the father should get sterilised.
That's assuming it's the same father, and that's assuming there was consent given
The lady could be a victim of abuse.
I just think it's an awful situation for everyone involved and the lady hopefully accesses the help she needs in whatever shape or formits reported that it is the same farther and mother in all three cases "
That doesn't mean there may nor be abuse involved |
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By *otMe66Man 34 weeks ago
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"Sickening that any parent could do this. Get sterilised or something. Abandoning a child is abhorrent. It's low and it's disgusting and yes I'm judging. Saying it as it is
You're not saying it as it is, you're saying it as you think it is.
Maybe the the father should get sterilised.
That's assuming it's the same father, and that's assuming there was consent given
The lady could be a victim of abuse.
I just think it's an awful situation for everyone involved and the lady hopefully accesses the help she needs in whatever shape or formits reported that it is the same farther and mother in all three cases "
And both should be in jail, there is no excuse for leaving a newborn child in the street. Help is available, them refusing to look for it and taking the action they have 3 times is not excusable. |
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"Sickening that any parent could do this. Get sterilised or something. Abandoning a child is abhorrent. It's low and it's disgusting and yes I'm judging. Saying it as it is
You're not saying it as it is, you're saying it as you think it is.
Maybe the the father should get sterilised.
He said any parent, he could be referring to both mother and father."
Ah yes, I jumped the gun there. |
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"Sickening that any parent could do this. Get sterilised or something. Abandoning a child is abhorrent. It's low and it's disgusting and yes I'm judging. Saying it as it is
You're not saying it as it is, you're saying it as you think it is.
Maybe the the father should get sterilised.
That's assuming it's the same father, and that's assuming there was consent given
The lady could be a victim of abuse.
I just think it's an awful situation for everyone involved and the lady hopefully accesses the help she needs in whatever shape or formits reported that it is the same farther and mother in all three cases
And both should be in jail, there is no excuse for leaving a newborn child in the street. Help is available, them refusing to look for it and taking the action they have 3 times is not excusable. "
If it's a difference between life and death, it's excusable.
The point is, this is a most unusual case and I hope they find the couple. |
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I’ve constructed a narrative in my mind which makes sense to me at least.
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1. Mother is being held against her will
2. Possibly an indentured “sl*ve” for a family or an ensl*ved “adult worker”
3. If the DNA shows different fathers, then likely to be an adult worker
4. If the DNA shows the same father, then likely to be indentured sl*ve to a family.
5. Baby still had umbilical cord, so medical care is not being provided. This suggest a reluctance to get entangled with the authorities.
6. I don’t believe the mother is the one dumping the child. She would have had some opportunity to raise the alarm on previous outings I feel. She is being kept under house arrest and someone else is dumping the baby.
7. If she was an adult worker, then with the turnover of clients, she may have had more than one opportunity to solicit help. Nothing has been raised as an alarm.
8.Other babies are not being found, so I feel this makes a den of hostaged adult workers quite unlikely.
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In summary, I believe it’s a lone female, working for a family as an indentured sl*ve. Her passport has been confiscated and she has no mobile phone or contact with anyone else outside the family home. I suspect she is not native to the UK, and neither is the family. I suspect the family are well off.
A truly dire and abysmal situation and whoever she is, my heart goes out to her.
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By *ermbiMan 34 weeks ago
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"Sickening that any parent could do this. Get sterilised or something. Abandoning a child is abhorrent. It's low and it's disgusting and yes I'm judging. Saying it as it is
You're not saying it as it is, you're saying it as you think it is.
Maybe the the father should get sterilised.
He said any parent, he could be referring to both mother and father.
Ah yes, I jumped the gun there."
Yes you did |
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"Risky to judge people’s motives based on the outcome alone. Good people do bad things. "
Possibly worse to label the mother as obese, as OP did?... So, not only is it highly likely the mother of these children is being forced, or unlikely to have 3 pregnancies that were clearly whatever the circumstances unwanted in some form... But she's also apparently FAT? Which as we all know is relative to not being basically a run of the mile human in society  |
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"Risky to judge people’s motives based on the outcome alone. Good people do bad things.
Possibly worse to label the mother as obese, as OP did?"
Didn’t OP assert that assumption as an explanation for the pregnancies going un-noticed?
Misguided assumption maybe but I don’t think it was meant maliciously. |
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"Risky to judge people’s motives based on the outcome alone. Good people do bad things.
Possibly worse to label the mother as obese, as OP did?
Didn’t OP assert that assumption as an explanation for the pregnancies going un-noticed?
Misguided assumption maybe but I don’t think it was meant maliciously. "
I don't think meant at all maliciously, but OP did state it's likely mum is obese in this scenario... Which I personally feel is the least worry in this scenario...
And I get what she's saying, but I'd didn't show any bodily signs (without stating), of pregnancy up until 4wks prior to delivery. And I was a lot slimmer than I an now, baby resided higher, and I was still in my usual clothes till 8mths, and dress size wise smaller than I am now |
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"Risky to judge people’s motives based on the outcome alone. Good people do bad things.
Possibly worse to label the mother as obese, as OP did?
Didn’t OP assert that assumption as an explanation for the pregnancies going un-noticed?
Misguided assumption maybe but I don’t think it was meant maliciously.
I don't think meant at all maliciously, but OP did state it's likely mum is obese in this scenario... Which I personally feel is the least worry in this scenario...
And I get what she's saying, but I'd didn't show any bodily signs (without stating), of pregnancy up until 4wks prior to delivery. And I was a lot slimmer than I an now, baby resided higher, and I was still in my usual clothes till 8mths, and dress size wise smaller than I am now "
Sure, I’m not weighing in on that side of it  |
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By *atEvolutionCouple 34 weeks ago
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Possibly worse to label the mother as obese, as OP did?... So, not only is it highly likely the mother of these children is being forced, or unlikely to have 3 pregnancies that were clearly whatever the circumstances unwanted in some form... But she's also apparently FAT? Which as we all know is relative to not being basically a run of the mile human in society "
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"Risky to judge people’s motives based on the outcome alone. Good people do bad things.
Possibly worse to label the mother as obese, as OP did?... So, not only is it highly likely the mother of these children is being forced, or unlikely to have 3 pregnancies that were clearly whatever the circumstances unwanted in some form... But she's also apparently FAT? Which as we all know is relative to not being basically a run of the mile human in society "
Logic not your strong point? |
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"Risky to judge people’s motives based on the outcome alone. Good people do bad things.
Possibly worse to label the mother as obese, as OP did?
Didn’t OP assert that assumption as an explanation for the pregnancies going un-noticed?
Misguided assumption maybe but I don’t think it was meant maliciously. "
Theorising, not assuming. And spot on, not malicious |
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"Risky to judge people’s motives based on the outcome alone. Good people do bad things.
Possibly worse to label the mother as obese, as OP did?
Didn’t OP assert that assumption as an explanation for the pregnancies going un-noticed?
Misguided assumption maybe but I don’t think it was meant maliciously.
Theorising, not assuming. And spot on, not malicious "
But I did say assume  . |
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By *atEvolutionCouple 34 weeks ago
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verb
verb: assume;
1. suppose to be the case, without proof.
"To assume something means to take it for granted or to accept it as true without necessarily having evidence or proof. It involves forming a belief or making a judgment about something based on limited information, personal bias, or speculation rather than concrete facts. Assumptions can lead to misunderstandings or errors if they're not based on reliable evidence or reasoning."
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"verb
verb: assume;
1. suppose to be the case, without proof.
"To assume something means to take it for granted or to accept it as true without necessarily having evidence or proof. It involves forming a belief or making a judgment about something based on limited information, personal bias, or speculation rather than concrete facts. Assumptions can lead to misunderstandings or errors if they're not based on reliable evidence or reasoning."
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Your point is?
BTW try living with a brain injury and see if you're accurate 100% of the time in any form of communication.  |
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