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"Implosion, Rishi out at leader of the party, Kemi Badenoch new leader" Whilst I'm not 100% convinced that Kemi Badenoch will take over, I do agree that there is about to be a true blue implosion. | |||
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"I can't see a thing that Starmer can bring. And it's not enough to simply say he couldn't do worse. Well actually yes he could. He has walked back on so many plans, he has constantly flip-flopped (Sunak saying that right now lol) Is the devil we know better than the Devil we don't?" We shall now find out what they actually stand for | |||
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"Implosion, Rishi out at leader of the party, Kemi Badenoch new leader Whilst I'm not 100% convinced that Kemi Badenoch will take over, I do agree that there is about to be a true blue implosion." I don't see who else could. The party, as it is today, needs disbanding and going back to what values it *should* have. | |||
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"Implosion, Rishi out at leader of the party, Kemi Badenoch new leader Whilst I'm not 100% convinced that Kemi Badenoch will take over, I do agree that there is about to be a true blue implosion." I think it will be a kemi vs suella fight for the heart of the extreme right….. if they can keep it centre ish… I think penny mourdant would be a good shout | |||
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"Implosion, Rishi out at leader of the party, Kemi Badenoch new leader Whilst I'm not 100% convinced that Kemi Badenoch will take over, I do agree that there is about to be a true blue implosion. I don't see who else could. The party, as it is today, needs disbanding and going back to what values it *should* have." James Cleverly, Penny Mordaunt, Priti Patel, Suella Braverman are the big names out there. There is also a wildcard like Gillian Keeghan or Miriam Cates. | |||
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"I can't see a thing that Starmer can bring. And it's not enough to simply say he couldn't do worse. Well actually yes he could. He has walked back on so many plans, he has constantly flip-flopped (Sunak saying that right now lol) Is the devil we know better than the Devil we don't?" Sad state of affairs if we can't imagine that there is anything better coming than the current shower of self serving narcissists. | |||
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"I can’t wait to see what Pat has to say on all of this. I can hear him sharpening his pencil right now "I suspect it will be a brutal sarcastic post. | |||
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"I can't see a thing that Starmer can bring. And it's not enough to simply say he couldn't do worse. Well actually yes he could. He has walked back on so many plans, he has constantly flip-flopped (Sunak saying that right now lol) Is the devil we know better than the Devil we don't?" It only matters if he flip flops from his mandate now. Everything else had to wait for.... this! | |||
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"I can't see a thing that Starmer can bring. And it's not enough to simply say he couldn't do worse. Well actually yes he could. He has walked back on so many plans, he has constantly flip-flopped (Sunak saying that right now lol) Is the devil we know better than the Devil we don't? It only matters if he flip flops from his mandate now. Everything else had to wait for.... this!" As you can see above - he didn't present one.  | |||
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Does his announcement also mean the SNP will have to find the money for a new campaign bus? | |||
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"Synopsis: He said: stop the chaos stop the hospital trollies stop the sewage time for change vote for change up the workers we have a plan turn the page fully costed - didn't say how? anti-social behaviour country first, party second (WTAF?)" Who are these quotes from? Could be anyone from Labour/Tories. | |||
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"Synopsis: He said: stop the chaos stop the hospital trollies stop the sewage time for change vote for change up the workers we have a plan turn the page fully costed - didn't say how? anti-social behaviour country first, party second (WTAF?) Who are these quotes from? Could be anyone from Labour/Tories." # By listening to him speak after Sunak | |||
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" Does his announcement also mean the SNP will have to find the money for a new campaign bus?" Maybe Gran will let them borrow hers? | |||
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"Starmer says country first party second hmmmm so basically Britain first then " Ask not what Labour can do for you, but ask what you can do for Labour. Really just another way of saying if we fail, it's your fault. | |||
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"I m sorry pat… you lost me after you said boris Johnson and Liz truss were great prime ministers! I just had the benny hill/ curb your enthusiasm theme (take your pick) in my head after that.. I am sure you made some points or another! Actually I’m surprised you haven’t ditched the conservatives for reform to be honest " I love Pat's posts.   | |||
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"I was really thinking he would delay until much later in the year but it is not to be. I can't see anything other than a Labour government next regardless of tactics. My early thoughts on reasons for going early are that the economic results are much improved especially today's inflation. Maybe he wants to have a backdrop of improvements. Another possible reason is the on going war in Gaza. Neither party is gaining from this but it feels like Labour are suffering more in losing votes due to it. If he waited until the winter the war may be over and not as much of an issue to voters." Also forgot to mention Rwanda scheme. Will any flights happen before the election. If not it will be cancelled before started | |||
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"I was really thinking he would delay until much later in the year but it is not to be. I can't see anything other than a Labour government next regardless of tactics. My early thoughts on reasons for going early are that the economic results are much improved especially today's inflation. Maybe he wants to have a backdrop of improvements. Another possible reason is the on going war in Gaza. Neither party is gaining from this but it feels like Labour are suffering more in losing votes due to it. If he waited until the winter the war may be over and not as much of an issue to voters. Also forgot to mention Rwanda scheme. Will any flights happen before the election. If not it will be cancelled before started" Might stop some of the further to the right Tories defecting to UKIP/BNP/Reform. | |||
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"Jesus could the useless cunt honestly not have organised an umbrella?, then I remembered that I'm sat here piss wet through because I didn't organise an umbrella. But then I'm not a billionaire world leader. I'm honestly not." Or maybe the speech was more important than running from a bit of rain? Starmer stayed dry, but didn't actually say a thing. Let's vote Starmer | |||
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"Implosion, Rishi out at leader of the party, Kemi Badenoch new leader Whilst I'm not 100% convinced that Kemi Badenoch will take over, I do agree that there is about to be a true blue implosion. I think it will be a kemi vs suella fight for the heart of the extreme right….. if they can keep it centre ish… I think penny mourdant would be a good shout " Extreme right? The only way you could say that either of them are far right is if your optics start from the perspective of the lunatic fringe of the far left. | |||
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"Personally I would vote for anyone anywhere before I voted labor (misspelt on purpose). Their fundamental basic philosophy sounds great but in real life it simply can't work. Spent many years living in various countries around the world, when ever labor gets into power they simply destroy the Economy. The last place I went to was Oz. When I got there I spoke to many who were worried about the upcoming election. They were told by their employers that if labor got in they were closing up and moving out. Sadly they did and yes unemployment went through the roof. The others got in after and pulled the economy back again. Sadly just after I left labor got back in and everyone I talk to over there say the same thing. Cost of eating, living, medical, EVERYTHING through the roof. Lets hope they don't get into power here." I am old enough to remember the period 1997-2007 (deliberate date choices before financial crash hit). Things were pretty good, certainly for me. Huge progression in my career and earnings. So I don’t recognise what you say. However, I am not old enough to remember the 70s but you were a kid so perhaps you do? | |||
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"Implosion, Rishi out at leader of the party, Kemi Badenoch new leader Whilst I'm not 100% convinced that Kemi Badenoch will take over, I do agree that there is about to be a true blue implosion. I think it will be a kemi vs suella fight for the heart of the extreme right….. if they can keep it centre ish… I think penny mourdant would be a good shout Extreme right? The only way you could say that either of them are far right is if your optics start from the perspective of the lunatic fringe of the far left. " Isn’t that the truth | |||
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"The funniest thing is going to be watching people justify why they are going to vote Tory." Only the leftist progressives are allowed to find a person explaining their personal choices, funny | |||
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"The funniest thing is going to be watching people justify why they are going to vote Tory." That's easy always vote Tory | |||
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"The funniest thing is going to be watching people justify why they are going to vote Tory." Be interesting to see how many Tories decide to stand down | |||
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"But think it will be a hung parliament Labour just in front but will need a coalition. " It is a sorry state for left wing politics if that actually happens, and they can’t demand a convincing majority. | |||
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"I can see why Sunak called the election early, his promises are being delivered. Inflation halved Economy has grown Debt is forecast to be cut NHS waiting lists have reduced Rwanda scheme seems to be having influence before it has had chance to start. He will show these things as evidence of control and leadership, enough he hopes to slow the losses. " I don't suppose you want to evidence that lot? | |||
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"But think it will be a hung parliament Labour just in front but will need a coalition. It is a sorry state for left wing politics if that actually happens, and they can’t demand a convincing majority." The sorry state will be the less then 50% turn out. | |||
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"Personally I would vote for anyone anywhere before I voted labor (misspelt on purpose). Their fundamental basic philosophy sounds great but in real life it simply can't work. Spent many years living in various countries around the world, when ever labor gets into power they simply destroy the Economy. The last place I went to was Oz. When I got there I spoke to many who were worried about the upcoming election. They were told by their employers that if labor got in they were closing up and moving out. Sadly they did and yes unemployment went through the roof. The others got in after and pulled the economy back again. Sadly just after I left labor got back in and everyone I talk to over there say the same thing. Cost of eating, living, medical, EVERYTHING through the roof. Lets hope they don't get into power here." Funny, that happened here, but a tory govt. | |||
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"But think it will be a hung parliament Labour just in front but will need a coalition. It is a sorry state for left wing politics if that actually happens, and they can’t demand a convincing majority. The sorry state will be the less then 50% turn out. "No change expected there then. Apathy for self serving twats, whatever side they are on | |||
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"I can see why Sunak called the election early, his promises are being delivered. Inflation halved Economy has grown Debt is forecast to be cut NHS waiting lists have reduced Rwanda scheme seems to be having influence before it has had chance to start. He will show these things as evidence of control and leadership, enough he hopes to slow the losses. I don't suppose you want to evidence that lot?" The headlines this morning will account for the first 2 items, the headlines from just over a week ago will prove the last item and if you look into the waiting lists reduction and UK debt forecast you find everything you need. Or simply wait for the evidence from Sunak as per my post | |||
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"I was really thinking he would delay until much later in the year but it is not to be. I can't see anything other than a Labour government next regardless of tactics. My early thoughts on reasons for going early are that the economic results are much improved especially today's inflation. Maybe he wants to have a backdrop of improvements. Another possible reason is the on going war in Gaza. Neither party is gaining from this but it feels like Labour are suffering more in losing votes due to it. If he waited until the winter the war may be over and not as much of an issue to voters. Also forgot to mention Rwanda scheme. Will any flights happen before the election. If not it will be cancelled before started Might stop some of the further to the right Tories defecting to UKIP/BNP/Reform." Possibly but if there is an attempt to fly some to Rwanda and it ends in yet another failure then it once again highlights the on going problem that they have failed to resolve. | |||
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"But think it will be a hung parliament Labour just in front but will need a coalition. It is a sorry state for left wing politics if that actually happens, and they can’t demand a convincing majority." Left wing politics? The only remotely left wing party in the UK mainstream is the Greens. | |||
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"I can see why Sunak called the election early, his promises are being delivered. Inflation halved. Economy has grown Debt is forecast to be cut. NHS waiting lists have reduced Rwanda scheme seems to be having influence before it has had chance to start. He will show these things as evidence of control and leadership, enough he hopes to slow the losses. I don't suppose you want to evidence that lot?" Inflation quartered. ( by markets not government) Economy up, but growth forecast lowest in G7 https://amp.theguardian.com/business/2023/apr/12/uk-national-debt-will-continue-to-rise-over-next-five-years-says-imf Public sector net borrowing excluding public sector banks was £20.5 billion in April 2024, the fourth highest April borrowing since monthly records began in 1993. (ONS) Bankruptcies, IVA, CVA. Debt orders, country court judgments. All significantly increased. Bailiff recruitment high. https://www.independent.co.uk/business/record-number-of-businesses-close-across-the-uk-ons-b2451689.html# | |||
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"I can see why Sunak called the election early, his promises are being delivered. Inflation halved. Economy has grown Debt is forecast to be cut. NHS waiting lists have reduced Rwanda scheme seems to be having influence before it has had chance to start. He will show these things as evidence of control and leadership, enough he hopes to slow the losses. I don't suppose you want to evidence that lot? Inflation quartered. ( by markets not government) Economy up, but growth forecast lowest in G7 https://amp.theguardian.com/business/2023/apr/12/uk-national-debt-will-continue-to-rise-over-next-five-years-says-imf Public sector net borrowing excluding public sector banks was £20.5 billion in April 2024, the fourth highest April borrowing since monthly records began in 1993. (ONS) Bankruptcies, IVA, CVA. Debt orders, country court judgments. All significantly increased. Bailiff recruitment high. https://www.independent.co.uk/business/record-number-of-businesses-close-across-the-uk-ons-b2451689.html# " I asked "not me" on a prior thread, he couldn't/ didn't respond. I did. I stated decreased inflation not due to got. Same with economy. And you've just shown the got has done fuck all with reducing debt. Rwanda flights haven't begun, hence stop the boats is bs. As for waiting lists... well we all like a laugh.......... NOT! | |||
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"I can see why Sunak called the election early, his promises are being delivered. Inflation halved. Economy has grown Debt is forecast to be cut. NHS waiting lists have reduced Rwanda scheme seems to be having influence before it has had chance to start. He will show these things as evidence of control and leadership, enough he hopes to slow the losses. I don't suppose you want to evidence that lot? Inflation quartered. ( by markets not government) Economy up, but growth forecast lowest in G7 https://amp.theguardian.com/business/2023/apr/12/uk-national-debt-will-continue-to-rise-over-next-five-years-says-imf Public sector net borrowing excluding public sector banks was £20.5 billion in April 2024, the fourth highest April borrowing since monthly records began in 1993. (ONS) Bankruptcies, IVA, CVA. Debt orders, country court judgments. All significantly increased. Bailiff recruitment high. https://www.independent.co.uk/business/record-number-of-businesses-close-across-the-uk-ons-b2451689.html# I asked "not me" on a prior thread, he couldn't/ didn't respond. I did. I stated decreased inflation not due to got. Same with economy. And you've just shown the got has done fuck all with reducing debt. Rwanda flights haven't begun, hence stop the boats is bs. As for waiting lists... well we all like a laugh.......... NOT!" I'm not going to get into providing evidence when it is so easily obtained, if you are not biased and look at the facts you will find the evidence yourself, you are an informed person and capable. | |||
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"But think it will be a hung parliament Labour just in front but will need a coalition. It is a sorry state for left wing politics if that actually happens, and they can’t demand a convincing majority. Left wing politics? The only remotely left wing party in the UK mainstream is the Greens." Exactly | |||
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"I was really thinking he would delay until much later in the year but it is not to be. I can't see anything other than a Labour government next regardless of tactics. My early thoughts on reasons for going early are that the economic results are much improved especially today's inflation. Maybe he wants to have a backdrop of improvements. Another possible reason is the on going war in Gaza. Neither party is gaining from this but it feels like Labour are suffering more in losing votes due to it. If he waited until the winter the war may be over and not as much of an issue to voters. Also forgot to mention Rwanda scheme. Will any flights happen before the election. If not it will be cancelled before started Might stop some of the further to the right Tories defecting to UKIP/BNP/Reform. Possibly but if there is an attempt to fly some to Rwanda and it ends in yet another failure then it once again highlights the on going problem that they have failed to resolve." Doesn't matter. The only purpose of the scheme is to garner support from certain elements. | |||
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"I was really thinking he would delay until much later in the year but it is not to be. I can't see anything other than a Labour government next regardless of tactics. My early thoughts on reasons for going early are that the economic results are much improved especially today's inflation. Maybe he wants to have a backdrop of improvements. Another possible reason is the on going war in Gaza. Neither party is gaining from this but it feels like Labour are suffering more in losing votes due to it. If he waited until the winter the war may be over and not as much of an issue to voters. Also forgot to mention Rwanda scheme. Will any flights happen before the election. If not it will be cancelled before started Might stop some of the further to the right Tories defecting to UKIP/BNP/Reform. Possibly but if there is an attempt to fly some to Rwanda and it ends in yet another failure then it once again highlights the on going problem that they have failed to resolve. Doesn't matter. The only purpose of the scheme is to garner support from certain elements. " That is incorrect, and disingenuous of you, unless you really believe your statement to be true? | |||
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"Find it amusing how people are wanking over the election... Wake up next day, my life won't change Wake up next month my life won't change Wake up next year ... guess what, it won't of changed All I will see is people screaming at each other, making no sense at all ..." Horribly cynical, but I cannot agree more. Sadly. | |||
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"Let's hope it is four in a row . David Cameron, Teressa May, Boris Johnson and Liz Truss were all great Prime Ministers . Boris Johnson must rank as as an all time great with an 80 seat majority . Such was his success that the haters spent all their time trying to pick him up on any minor fault. Each of these PMs left a legacy to be proud of. Rishi Sunak is simply a traitor who jumped on the band wagon Kier Starmer would destroy the country . Higher taxation will simply mean more money wasted . At least Lizz Truss cut corporation tax in order to encourage investment. Let's hope who gets elected takes steps to tackle both soaring welfare benefits to those who do not need them and cracks down rigorously on illegal immigration. No one should have to apologise for enforcing the law. Let's hope once Rishi wins he either resigns or the party forces him out. A traitor to the cause Roll on July 4 th " This is a spoof account , right ? | |||
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"I was really thinking he would delay until much later in the year but it is not to be. I can't see anything other than a Labour government next regardless of tactics. My early thoughts on reasons for going early are that the economic results are much improved especially today's inflation. Maybe he wants to have a backdrop of improvements. Another possible reason is the on going war in Gaza. Neither party is gaining from this but it feels like Labour are suffering more in losing votes due to it. If he waited until the winter the war may be over and not as much of an issue to voters. Also forgot to mention Rwanda scheme. Will any flights happen before the election. If not it will be cancelled before started Might stop some of the further to the right Tories defecting to UKIP/BNP/Reform. Possibly but if there is an attempt to fly some to Rwanda and it ends in yet another failure then it once again highlights the on going problem that they have failed to resolve. Doesn't matter. The only purpose of the scheme is to garner support from certain elements. That is incorrect, and disingenuous of you, unless you really believe your statement to be true? " Of course I believe it. What else is the Rwanda scheme for? | |||
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"Let's hope it is four in a row . David Cameron, Teressa May, Boris Johnson and Liz Truss were all great Prime Ministers . Boris Johnson must rank as as an all time great with an 80 seat majority . Such was his success that the haters spent all their time trying to pick him up on any minor fault. Each of these PMs left a legacy to be proud of. Rishi Sunak is simply a traitor who jumped on the band wagon Kier Starmer would destroy the country . Higher taxation will simply mean more money wasted . At least Lizz Truss cut corporation tax in order to encourage investment. Let's hope who gets elected takes steps to tackle both soaring welfare benefits to those who do not need them and cracks down rigorously on illegal immigration. No one should have to apologise for enforcing the law. Let's hope once Rishi wins he either resigns or the party forces him out. A traitor to the cause Roll on July 4 th " I’m sad this is way below par for your usual witty repartee. Sad times as I think you may have lost your mojo Pat  | |||
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"I was really thinking he would delay until much later in the year but it is not to be. I can't see anything other than a Labour government next regardless of tactics. My early thoughts on reasons for going early are that the economic results are much improved especially today's inflation. Maybe he wants to have a backdrop of improvements. Another possible reason is the on going war in Gaza. Neither party is gaining from this but it feels like Labour are suffering more in losing votes due to it. If he waited until the winter the war may be over and not as much of an issue to voters. Also forgot to mention Rwanda scheme. Will any flights happen before the election. If not it will be cancelled before started Might stop some of the further to the right Tories defecting to UKIP/BNP/Reform. Possibly but if there is an attempt to fly some to Rwanda and it ends in yet another failure then it once again highlights the on going problem that they have failed to resolve. Doesn't matter. The only purpose of the scheme is to garner support from certain elements. That is incorrect, and disingenuous of you, unless you really believe your statement to be true? Of course I believe it. What else is the Rwanda scheme for?" There is little more we can discuss on this, if the core issue is unknown to you after all this time. | |||
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"I was really thinking he would delay until much later in the year but it is not to be. I can't see anything other than a Labour government next regardless of tactics. My early thoughts on reasons for going early are that the economic results are much improved especially today's inflation. Maybe he wants to have a backdrop of improvements. Another possible reason is the on going war in Gaza. Neither party is gaining from this but it feels like Labour are suffering more in losing votes due to it. If he waited until the winter the war may be over and not as much of an issue to voters. Also forgot to mention Rwanda scheme. Will any flights happen before the election. If not it will be cancelled before started Might stop some of the further to the right Tories defecting to UKIP/BNP/Reform. Possibly but if there is an attempt to fly some to Rwanda and it ends in yet another failure then it once again highlights the on going problem that they have failed to resolve. Doesn't matter. The only purpose of the scheme is to garner support from certain elements. That is incorrect, and disingenuous of you, unless you really believe your statement to be true? " No one really believes the Rwanda scheme is anything more than red meat for the far right do they? Seriously? | |||
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"I was really thinking he would delay until much later in the year but it is not to be. I can't see anything other than a Labour government next regardless of tactics. My early thoughts on reasons for going early are that the economic results are much improved especially today's inflation. Maybe he wants to have a backdrop of improvements. Another possible reason is the on going war in Gaza. Neither party is gaining from this but it feels like Labour are suffering more in losing votes due to it. If he waited until the winter the war may be over and not as much of an issue to voters. Also forgot to mention Rwanda scheme. Will any flights happen before the election. If not it will be cancelled before started Might stop some of the further to the right Tories defecting to UKIP/BNP/Reform. Possibly but if there is an attempt to fly some to Rwanda and it ends in yet another failure then it once again highlights the on going problem that they have failed to resolve. Doesn't matter. The only purpose of the scheme is to garner support from certain elements. " I would say it does matter but I'm not talking about who it is designed to attract votes from according to some people. I'm talking about the timing of the election to when the first flights are attempted. If they try for flights before the election and they get held up in court cases it looks bad for the Tories. However if there are no attempted flights before the election then the Tories can just point to the effect it has already had, like those that have fled to southern Ireland. | |||
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"I was really thinking he would delay until much later in the year but it is not to be. I can't see anything other than a Labour government next regardless of tactics. My early thoughts on reasons for going early are that the economic results are much improved especially today's inflation. Maybe he wants to have a backdrop of improvements. Another possible reason is the on going war in Gaza. Neither party is gaining from this but it feels like Labour are suffering more in losing votes due to it. If he waited until the winter the war may be over and not as much of an issue to voters. Also forgot to mention Rwanda scheme. Will any flights happen before the election. If not it will be cancelled before started Might stop some of the further to the right Tories defecting to UKIP/BNP/Reform. Possibly but if there is an attempt to fly some to Rwanda and it ends in yet another failure then it once again highlights the on going problem that they have failed to resolve. Doesn't matter. The only purpose of the scheme is to garner support from certain elements. I would say it does matter but I'm not talking about who it is designed to attract votes from according to some people. I'm talking about the timing of the election to when the first flights are attempted. If they try for flights before the election and they get held up in court cases it looks bad for the Tories. However if there are no attempted flights before the election then the Tories can just point to the effect it has already had, like those that have fled to southern Ireland." I think the Tories want it to get held up in court, particularly the European Court of Human Rights, then they can blame foreigners for everything, as usual. | |||
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"I was really thinking he would delay until much later in the year but it is not to be. I can't see anything other than a Labour government next regardless of tactics. My early thoughts on reasons for going early are that the economic results are much improved especially today's inflation. Maybe he wants to have a backdrop of improvements. Another possible reason is the on going war in Gaza. Neither party is gaining from this but it feels like Labour are suffering more in losing votes due to it. If he waited until the winter the war may be over and not as much of an issue to voters. Also forgot to mention Rwanda scheme. Will any flights happen before the election. If not it will be cancelled before started Might stop some of the further to the right Tories defecting to UKIP/BNP/Reform. Possibly but if there is an attempt to fly some to Rwanda and it ends in yet another failure then it once again highlights the on going problem that they have failed to resolve. Doesn't matter. The only purpose of the scheme is to garner support from certain elements. That is incorrect, and disingenuous of you, unless you really believe your statement to be true? No one really believes the Rwanda scheme is anything more than red meat for the far right do they? Seriously?" Possibly, but isn't there a sneaky feeling that Starmers 'solution' is merely to legitimise asylum seekers and in doing so declare numbers reduced? If so we face the same costs and social problems and will likely take all Ireland's immigrants too. | |||
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"I was really thinking he would delay until much later in the year but it is not to be. I can't see anything other than a Labour government next regardless of tactics. My early thoughts on reasons for going early are that the economic results are much improved especially today's inflation. Maybe he wants to have a backdrop of improvements. Another possible reason is the on going war in Gaza. Neither party is gaining from this but it feels like Labour are suffering more in losing votes due to it. If he waited until the winter the war may be over and not as much of an issue to voters. Also forgot to mention Rwanda scheme. Will any flights happen before the election. If not it will be cancelled before started Might stop some of the further to the right Tories defecting to UKIP/BNP/Reform. Possibly but if there is an attempt to fly some to Rwanda and it ends in yet another failure then it once again highlights the on going problem that they have failed to resolve. Doesn't matter. The only purpose of the scheme is to garner support from certain elements. That is incorrect, and disingenuous of you, unless you really believe your statement to be true? Of course I believe it. What else is the Rwanda scheme for? There is little more we can discuss on this, if the core issue is unknown to you after all this time. "It is known to me. The Tories were worried about losing support to Reclaim/UKIP/BNP. It's not rocket science. | |||
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"I was really thinking he would delay until much later in the year but it is not to be. I can't see anything other than a Labour government next regardless of tactics. My early thoughts on reasons for going early are that the economic results are much improved especially today's inflation. Maybe he wants to have a backdrop of improvements. Another possible reason is the on going war in Gaza. Neither party is gaining from this but it feels like Labour are suffering more in losing votes due to it. If he waited until the winter the war may be over and not as much of an issue to voters. Also forgot to mention Rwanda scheme. Will any flights happen before the election. If not it will be cancelled before started Might stop some of the further to the right Tories defecting to UKIP/BNP/Reform. Possibly but if there is an attempt to fly some to Rwanda and it ends in yet another failure then it once again highlights the on going problem that they have failed to resolve. Doesn't matter. The only purpose of the scheme is to garner support from certain elements. I would say it does matter but I'm not talking about who it is designed to attract votes from according to some people. I'm talking about the timing of the election to when the first flights are attempted. If they try for flights before the election and they get held up in court cases it looks bad for the Tories. However if there are no attempted flights before the election then the Tories can just point to the effect it has already had, like those that have fled to southern Ireland." That won't matter, they'll just blame "woke judges", people who eat tofu, human rights, etc etc. it has and will work for it's intended purpose. | |||
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"I was really thinking he would delay until much later in the year but it is not to be. I can't see anything other than a Labour government next regardless of tactics. My early thoughts on reasons for going early are that the economic results are much improved especially today's inflation. Maybe he wants to have a backdrop of improvements. Another possible reason is the on going war in Gaza. Neither party is gaining from this but it feels like Labour are suffering more in losing votes due to it. If he waited until the winter the war may be over and not as much of an issue to voters. Also forgot to mention Rwanda scheme. Will any flights happen before the election. If not it will be cancelled before started Might stop some of the further to the right Tories defecting to UKIP/BNP/Reform. Possibly but if there is an attempt to fly some to Rwanda and it ends in yet another failure then it once again highlights the on going problem that they have failed to resolve. Doesn't matter. The only purpose of the scheme is to garner support from certain elements. That is incorrect, and disingenuous of you, unless you really believe your statement to be true? No one really believes the Rwanda scheme is anything more than red meat for the far right do they? Seriously?" You do understand no matter what party is in power they need to stop the small boat crossings? Would they all be appealing to the far right? I also believe the northern red wall vote to be the largest group looking for control of the borders….. | |||
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"I was really thinking he would delay until much later in the year but it is not to be. I can't see anything other than a Labour government next regardless of tactics. My early thoughts on reasons for going early are that the economic results are much improved especially today's inflation. Maybe he wants to have a backdrop of improvements. Another possible reason is the on going war in Gaza. Neither party is gaining from this but it feels like Labour are suffering more in losing votes due to it. If he waited until the winter the war may be over and not as much of an issue to voters. Also forgot to mention Rwanda scheme. Will any flights happen before the election. If not it will be cancelled before started Might stop some of the further to the right Tories defecting to UKIP/BNP/Reform. Possibly but if there is an attempt to fly some to Rwanda and it ends in yet another failure then it once again highlights the on going problem that they have failed to resolve. Doesn't matter. The only purpose of the scheme is to garner support from certain elements. I would say it does matter but I'm not talking about who it is designed to attract votes from according to some people. I'm talking about the timing of the election to when the first flights are attempted. If they try for flights before the election and they get held up in court cases it looks bad for the Tories. However if there are no attempted flights before the election then the Tories can just point to the effect it has already had, like those that have fled to southern Ireland. That won't matter, they'll just blame "woke judges", people who eat tofu, human rights, etc etc. it has and will work for it's intended purpose. " I again disagree, the blame will probably be levelled at those who can’t understand the actual issue, which is a problem we have in the UK, examples being the lack of understanding for Brexit, covid, 5G etc. | |||
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"Jesus could the useless cunt honestly not have organised an umbrella?, then I remembered that I'm sat here piss wet through because I didn't organise an umbrella. But then I'm not a billionaire world leader. I'm honestly not." And let's not forget his predecessor's predecessor spaffing £2.5m on an indoor, dry, warm, quiet and CUSTOM PURPOSE press release room to make important announcements. Just one door away. | |||
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"I was really thinking he would delay until much later in the year but it is not to be. I can't see anything other than a Labour government next regardless of tactics. My early thoughts on reasons for going early are that the economic results are much improved especially today's inflation. Maybe he wants to have a backdrop of improvements. Another possible reason is the on going war in Gaza. Neither party is gaining from this but it feels like Labour are suffering more in losing votes due to it. If he waited until the winter the war may be over and not as much of an issue to voters. Also forgot to mention Rwanda scheme. Will any flights happen before the election. If not it will be cancelled before started Might stop some of the further to the right Tories defecting to UKIP/BNP/Reform. Possibly but if there is an attempt to fly some to Rwanda and it ends in yet another failure then it once again highlights the on going problem that they have failed to resolve. Doesn't matter. The only purpose of the scheme is to garner support from certain elements. I would say it does matter but I'm not talking about who it is designed to attract votes from according to some people. I'm talking about the timing of the election to when the first flights are attempted. If they try for flights before the election and they get held up in court cases it looks bad for the Tories. However if there are no attempted flights before the election then the Tories can just point to the effect it has already had, like those that have fled to southern Ireland. That won't matter, they'll just blame "woke judges", people who eat tofu, human rights, etc etc. it has and will work for it's intended purpose. I again disagree, the blame will probably be levelled at those who can’t understand the actual issue, which is a problem we have in the UK, examples being the lack of understanding for Brexit, covid, 5G etc. " I'm in complete agreement, there seems to be a strong correlation between those who fall for the Rwanda stunt, think Brexit was a good idea, think covid was planned, and that 5G gives you super powers etc. I'd also throw in a strong correlation with people who think science isn't real. These are the voters that Reform and the Tories are battling over. | |||
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"I was really thinking he would delay until much later in the year but it is not to be. I can't see anything other than a Labour government next regardless of tactics. My early thoughts on reasons for going early are that the economic results are much improved especially today's inflation. Maybe he wants to have a backdrop of improvements. Another possible reason is the on going war in Gaza. Neither party is gaining from this but it feels like Labour are suffering more in losing votes due to it. If he waited until the winter the war may be over and not as much of an issue to voters. Also forgot to mention Rwanda scheme. Will any flights happen before the election. If not it will be cancelled before started Might stop some of the further to the right Tories defecting to UKIP/BNP/Reform. Possibly but if there is an attempt to fly some to Rwanda and it ends in yet another failure then it once again highlights the on going problem that they have failed to resolve. Doesn't matter. The only purpose of the scheme is to garner support from certain elements. That is incorrect, and disingenuous of you, unless you really believe your statement to be true? No one really believes the Rwanda scheme is anything more than red meat for the far right do they? Seriously? Possibly, but isn't there a sneaky feeling that Starmers 'solution' is merely to legitimise asylum seekers and in doing so declare numbers reduced? If so we face the same costs and social problems and will likely take all Ireland's immigrants too. " How does ‘legitimising’ asylum seekers lessen the numbers reported? Surely we process people through the system and if they have a legitimate claim to asylum they get leave to remain for a period, can work (if able), and contribute to society. | |||
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"I can see why Sunak called the election early, his promises are being delivered. Inflation halved. Economy has grown Debt is forecast to be cut. NHS waiting lists have reduced Rwanda scheme seems to be having influence before it has had chance to start. He will show these things as evidence of control and leadership, enough he hopes to slow the losses. I don't suppose you want to evidence that lot? Inflation quartered. ( by markets not government) Economy up, but growth forecast lowest in G7 https://amp.theguardian.com/business/2023/apr/12/uk-national-debt-will-continue-to-rise-over-next-five-years-says-imf Public sector net borrowing excluding public sector banks was £20.5 billion in April 2024, the fourth highest April borrowing since monthly records began in 1993. (ONS) Bankruptcies, IVA, CVA. Debt orders, country court judgments. All significantly increased. Bailiff recruitment high. https://www.independent.co.uk/business/record-number-of-businesses-close-across-the-uk-ons-b2451689.html# I asked "not me" on a prior thread, he couldn't/ didn't respond. I did. I stated decreased inflation not due to got. Same with economy. And you've just shown the got has done fuck all with reducing debt. Rwanda flights haven't begun, hence stop the boats is bs. As for waiting lists... well we all like a laugh.......... NOT! I'm not going to get into providing evidence when it is so easily obtained, if you are not biased and look at the facts you will find the evidence yourself, you are an informed person and capable." If I'm not biased  | |||
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" No one really believes the Rwanda scheme is anything more than red meat for the far right do they? Seriously?" Whether it works or not is going to be debatable (though the upsurge in economic migrants shifting their attention away from the UK to Ireland suggests they are heading towards their second choice of countries they believe to be a soft touch, so perhaps it is working in a way). What I’m more bewildered about is your comment likening controlling your own borders and not re-distributing what little capital is owned by the rightful populous of this country to those that have no right to come here and claim it with the “far-right”, a political ideology that seeks to control its citizens through institutions like secret police forces, and has no drama with genocide, usually pointed at the Jewish. Or are you saying that anyone who doesn’t subscribe to the eradication of national identity, open borders, and forced mass wealth redistribution is, by definition, “far-right”? | |||
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"I was really thinking he would delay until much later in the year but it is not to be. I can't see anything other than a Labour government next regardless of tactics. My early thoughts on reasons for going early are that the economic results are much improved especially today's inflation. Maybe he wants to have a backdrop of improvements. Another possible reason is the on going war in Gaza. Neither party is gaining from this but it feels like Labour are suffering more in losing votes due to it. If he waited until the winter the war may be over and not as much of an issue to voters. Also forgot to mention Rwanda scheme. Will any flights happen before the election. If not it will be cancelled before started Might stop some of the further to the right Tories defecting to UKIP/BNP/Reform. Possibly but if there is an attempt to fly some to Rwanda and it ends in yet another failure then it once again highlights the on going problem that they have failed to resolve. Doesn't matter. The only purpose of the scheme is to garner support from certain elements. That is incorrect, and disingenuous of you, unless you really believe your statement to be true? No one really believes the Rwanda scheme is anything more than red meat for the far right do they? Seriously? You do understand no matter what party is in power they need to stop the small boat crossings? Would they all be appealing to the far right? I also believe the northern red wall vote to be the largest group looking for control of the borders….. " Which ‘Red wall’ seat do you live in? Round here people are concerned about the economy and the NHS, and according to the opinion polls are going to swing massively towards Labour. | |||
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"What do we make of the imagery from the announcement yesterday? A gormless PM stood in the pouring rain sans umbrella. Is this going for the sympathy vote?" No, it shows they couldn’t organise a piss up in a brewery. | |||
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" No one really believes the Rwanda scheme is anything more than red meat for the far right do they? Seriously? Whether it works or not is going to be debatable (though the upsurge in economic migrants shifting their attention away from the UK to Ireland suggests they are heading towards their second choice of countries they believe to be a soft touch, so perhaps it is working in a way). What I’m more bewildered about is your comment likening controlling your own borders and not re-distributing what little capital is owned by the rightful populous of this country to those that have no right to come here and claim it with the “far-right”, a political ideology that seeks to control its citizens through institutions like secret police forces, and has no drama with genocide, usually pointed at the Jewish. Or are you saying that anyone who doesn’t subscribe to the eradication of national identity, open borders, and forced mass wealth redistribution is, by definition, “far-right”? " This is what I'm talking about! The Rwanda scheme success demonstrated. | |||
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"What do we make of the imagery from the announcement yesterday? A gormless PM stood in the pouring rain sans umbrella. Is this going for the sympathy vote? No, it shows they couldn’t organise a piss up in a brewery." It's a bit rich to claim "Labour has no plans" when No. 10 didn't think to check the weather forecast | |||
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"What do we make of the imagery from the announcement yesterday? A gormless PM stood in the pouring rain sans umbrella. Is this going for the sympathy vote?" The millions allegedly spent on the number 10 Downing street media room was another example of waste under this government? Images etc at such times matter, maybe this was Sunak's falling over on the beach moment..? | |||
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" Images etc at such times matter, maybe this was Sunak's falling over on the beach moment..?" Sunak fell before he reached the first hurdle | |||
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"P.S did I catch someone on the news this morning from the SNP complaining because an election has been called when the scottish schools are on holiday, fooking hell is this the most intelligent thing they can come up with it does not bode well." Many people will be on holiday across the whole of the UK. Many people will be away for the euros too. The results might be in Harry Kane's hands, lol Double whammy for votes. | |||
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" Many people will be on holiday across the whole of the UK. " 4th July isn't school holidays for England but it is for Scotland | |||
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"P.S did I catch someone on the news this morning from the SNP complaining because an election has been called when the scottish schools are on holiday, fooking hell is this the most intelligent thing they can come up with it does not bode well." If you know you have a holiday planned for that date.... apply for am early postal vote. I do it most of the time just for the convenience of not having to go to the station, it arrives a few weeks before the date, pick my choices then pop in the postbox on way to work. | |||
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" 4th July isn't school holidays for England but it is for Scotland" Funny. That. As I didn't say there were school holidays in England. | |||
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"Voting Reform, country needs real change and Tory and Labour will offer nothing different " Does the country really need more hate, racism, culture wars, and less science? | |||
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"Voting Reform, country needs real change and Tory and Labour will offer nothing different Does the country really need more hate, racism, culture wars, and less science?" He didn't say he wants change for the better, just change. | |||
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"Voting Reform, country needs real change and Tory and Labour will offer nothing different Does the country really need more hate, racism, culture wars, and less science? He didn't say he wants change for the better, just change." That's true. Personally I think we need to change in the opposite direction. Less hate, less racism, more tolerant society, better education around science, understanding what it means, how it works, how to analyse information etc. | |||
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"Voting Reform, country needs real change and Tory and Labour will offer nothing different Does the country really need more hate, racism, culture wars, and less science? He didn't say he wants change for the better, just change. That's true. Personally I think we need to change in the opposite direction. Less hate, less racism, more tolerant society, better education around science, understanding what it means, how it works, how to analyse information etc." Some men just want to watch the world burn Master Wayne | |||
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"Voting Reform, country needs real change and Tory and Labour will offer nothing different Does the country really need more hate, racism, culture wars, and less science?" Hate? Racism? Less science? Go on, give us some concrete examples of where this forms Reform Party policy, other than your far-left hyperbole and rhetoric. | |||
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"The FT comment today; The vague promise that things might be a little bit better tomorrow is remarkably thin gruel from a party that has been in power for the past 14 years.. Interesting.." This is the huge hurdle the Tories face : credibility. Even the prospect of a Labour government (((shudder))) does not outweigh 14 years of incompetence. | |||
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" Personally I think we need to change in the opposite direction. Less hate, less racism, more tolerant society, better education around science, understanding what it means, how it works, how to analyse information etc." Is that your code for open borders and “the rich” (i.e. anyone earning over £25k so long as it’s not you) paying for wealth redistribution to the lame and lazy and anyone out there that wants a free hand out that they can’t get in their own country, and “science” dictating ruinously expensive “zero carbon” policies we neither need nor can afford while teaching radical transgender ideology to 5 year olds? Funny how you lot who preach your version of “kindness” always want someone else to pay for your virtue signalling and will go to the most extreme lengths to cancel and bully anyone who doesn’t share your world view. I think it’s about time for less kindness and more robust argument and for the centre ground to fight back against the lunatic left. | |||
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" Personally I think we need to change in the opposite direction. Less hate, less racism, more tolerant society, better education around science, understanding what it means, how it works, how to analyse information etc. Is that your code for open borders and “the rich” (i.e. anyone earning over £25k so long as it’s not you) paying for wealth redistribution to the lame and lazy and anyone out there that wants a free hand out that they can’t get in their own country, and “science” dictating ruinously expensive “zero carbon” policies we neither need nor can afford while teaching radical transgender ideology to 5 year olds? Funny how you lot who preach your version of “kindness” always want someone else to pay for your virtue signalling and will go to the most extreme lengths to cancel and bully anyone who doesn’t share your world view. I think it’s about time for less kindness and more robust argument and for the centre ground to fight back against the lunatic left. " You seem angry, are you ok? | |||
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"Voting Reform, country needs real change and Tory and Labour will offer nothing different Does the country really need more hate, racism, culture wars, and less science? Hate? " Have a look at Lee Anderson's twitter. " Racism? " Have a look at their education policy on their website. " Less science? " Have a look at their energy policy on their website, and watch Richard Tice talking about climate change on Question time. " Go on, give us some concrete examples of where this forms Reform Party policy, other than your far-left hyperbole and rhetoric. " Is it now "far-left" to want our government to be less focused on hate, racism and misinformation? Blimey, what a time to be alive. | |||
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"Voting Reform, country needs real change and Tory and Labour will offer nothing different " Nigel says no.. Now is not the 'right time' for him to stand.. What a surprise.. | |||
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"Voting Reform, country needs real change and Tory and Labour will offer nothing different Nigel says no.. Now is not the 'right time' for him to stand.. What a surprise.." I suspect the right time will be when he thinks there’s a seat he can win, so never. | |||
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" Personally I think we need to change in the opposite direction. Less hate, less racism, more tolerant society, better education around science, understanding what it means, how it works, how to analyse information etc. Is that your code for open borders " No " and “the rich” (i.e. anyone earning over £25k so long as it’s not you) paying for wealth redistribution to the lame and lazy and anyone out there that wants a free hand out that they can’t get in their own country, " No, this is made up nonsense. " and “science” dictating " Science without quotation marks should inform policy makers. " ruinously expensive “zero carbon” policies we neither need nor can afford " You can see why we need better education about science. Not less. If you understood the basics, you wouldn't be posting stuff like this. " while teaching radical transgender ideology to 5 year olds? " This is more made up nonsense " Funny how you lot who preach your version of “kindness” always want someone else to pay for your virtue signalling and will go to the most extreme lengths to cancel and bully anyone who doesn’t share your world view. I think it’s about time for less kindness and more robust argument and for the centre ground to fight back against the lunatic left. " You are 100% my stereotype of a Reform voter. | |||
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"Voting Reform, country needs real change and Tory and Labour will offer nothing different Nigel says no.. Now is not the 'right time' for him to stand.. What a surprise.. I suspect the right time will be when he thinks there’s a seat he can win, so never." Maybe for science to be at the point where he can have a face transplant and look like Boris.. | |||
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"Voting Reform, country needs real change and Tory and Labour will offer nothing different Nigel says no.. Now is not the 'right time' for him to stand.. What a surprise.. I suspect the right time will be when he thinks there’s a seat he can win, so never. Maybe for science to be at the point where he can have a face transplant and look like Boris.." I look forward to his supporters telling us how clever he is, and that he’s actually playing 4D chess but we just don’t understand what his grand plan is. | |||
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"Voting Reform, country needs real change and Tory and Labour will offer nothing different Nigel says no.. Now is not the 'right time' for him to stand.. What a surprise.. I suspect the right time will be when he thinks there’s a seat he can win, so never. Maybe for science to be at the point where he can have a face transplant and look like Boris.. I look forward to his supporters telling us how clever he is, and that he’s actually playing 4D chess but we just don’t understand what his grand plan is." Maybe Nigel knows that the apex of their candidates is Lee Anderson.. | |||
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"Voting Reform, country needs real change and Tory and Labour will offer nothing different Does the country really need more hate, racism, culture wars, and less science? Hate? Have a look at Lee Anderson's twitter. Racism? Have a look at their education policy on their website. Less science? Have a look at their energy policy on their website, and watch Richard Tice talking about climate change on Question time. Go on, give us some concrete examples of where this forms Reform Party policy, other than your far-left hyperbole and rhetoric. Is it now "far-left" to want our government to be less focused on hate, racism and misinformation? Blimey, what a time to be alive." which government as ever been focused on hate or racism???? | |||
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" 'Rain Gate' is now closed: Whilst I can see how some want that to be the case, it's already out there.. Self inflicted which gives it more gravitas.. Maybe it was part of the cunning plan.." Yeah, he definitely meant to look like a complete drip, so prime ministerial! | |||
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" 'Rain Gate' is now closed: Whilst I can see how some want that to be the case, it's already out there.. Self inflicted which gives it more gravitas.. Maybe it was part of the cunning plan.. Yeah, he definitely meant to look like a complete drip, so prime ministerial!" ... and 'half soaked' - quite literally! A convincing performance. | |||
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" 'Rain Gate' is now closed: Whilst I can see how some want that to be the case, it's already out there.. Self inflicted which gives it more gravitas.. Maybe it was part of the cunning plan.." So in what way is it out there? That people will judge anyone to a lesser degree because they stood in the rain? If that is truly the case, it proves to me that people who would hold that view shouldn't be allowed to vote! Baby Jeebus would be rolling back his Stone in Biblical Consternation !!! | |||
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"Voting Reform, country needs real change and Tory and Labour will offer nothing different Does the country really need more hate, racism, culture wars, and less science? Hate? Have a look at Lee Anderson's twitter. Racism? Have a look at their education policy on their website. Less science? Have a look at their energy policy on their website, and watch Richard Tice talking about climate change on Question time. Go on, give us some concrete examples of where this forms Reform Party policy, other than your far-left hyperbole and rhetoric. Is it now "far-left" to want our government to be less focused on hate, racism and misinformation? Blimey, what a time to be alive.which government as ever been focused on hate or racism????" I didn't say there has been. I'm talking about why I wouldn't be voting Reform. | |||
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" 'Rain Gate' is now closed: Whilst I can see how some want that to be the case, it's already out there.. Self inflicted which gives it more gravitas.. Maybe it was part of the cunning plan.. So in what way is it out there? That people will judge anyone to a lesser degree because they stood in the rain? If that is truly the case, it proves to me that people who would hold that view shouldn't be allowed to vote! Baby Jeebus would be rolling back his Stone !!! " But people do, the same way they judged Ed Milliband for how he ate a bacon sandwich. The optics are important, emotion trumps logic every time. | |||
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"Voting Reform, country needs real change and Tory and Labour will offer nothing different Does the country really need more hate, racism, culture wars, and less science? Hate? Have a look at Lee Anderson's twitter. Racism? Have a look at their education policy on their website. Less science? Have a look at their energy policy on their website, and watch Richard Tice talking about climate change on Question time. Go on, give us some concrete examples of where this forms Reform Party policy, other than your far-left hyperbole and rhetoric. Is it now "far-left" to want our government to be less focused on hate, racism and misinformation? Blimey, what a time to be alive.which government as ever been focused on hate or racism???? I didn't say there has been. I'm talking about why I wouldn't be voting Reform." you said is it now far left to want our government to be less focused on hate and racism? I’m asking you so which goverment as been focussed on hate and racism?it’s your words you said LESS | |||
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" 'Rain Gate' is now closed: Whilst I can see how some want that to be the case, it's already out there.. Self inflicted which gives it more gravitas.. Maybe it was part of the cunning plan.. So in what way is it out there? That people will judge anyone to a lesser degree because they stood in the rain? If that is truly the case, it proves to me that people who would hold that view shouldn't be allowed to vote! Baby Jeebus would be rolling back his Stone in Biblical Consternation !!!" Out there as in the image, like Kinnock when he was walking on the beach and wasn't there something about Miliband and a bacon sandwich ? You might have a point on the people and voting, actually Brexit and later in 2019 Boris's getting Brexit done are prime examples of that opinion.. | |||
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" 'Rain Gate' is now closed: Whilst I can see how some want that to be the case, it's already out there.. Self inflicted which gives it more gravitas.. Maybe it was part of the cunning plan.. So in what way is it out there? That people will judge anyone to a lesser degree because they stood in the rain? If that is truly the case, it proves to me that people who would hold that view shouldn't be allowed to vote! Baby Jeebus would be rolling back his Stone !!! But people do, the same way they judged Ed Milliband for how he ate a bacon sandwich. The optics are important, emotion trumps logic every time." Precisely my point. Those people are calling Politicians for immature and childish behaviour while demostrating just how childish and immature is their thinking. | |||
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" 'Rain Gate' is now closed: Whilst I can see how some want that to be the case, it's already out there.. Self inflicted which gives it more gravitas.. Maybe it was part of the cunning plan.. So in what way is it out there? That people will judge anyone to a lesser degree because they stood in the rain? If that is truly the case, it proves to me that people who would hold that view shouldn't be allowed to vote! Baby Jeebus would be rolling back his Stone !!! But people do, the same way they judged Ed Milliband for how he ate a bacon sandwich. The optics are important, emotion trumps logic every time." Only if the image is being highlighted by the right against labour it seems.. | |||
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"Voting Reform, country needs real change and Tory and Labour will offer nothing different Does the country really need more hate, racism, culture wars, and less science? Hate? Have a look at Lee Anderson's twitter. Racism? Have a look at their education policy on their website. Less science? Have a look at their energy policy on their website, and watch Richard Tice talking about climate change on Question time. Go on, give us some concrete examples of where this forms Reform Party policy, other than your far-left hyperbole and rhetoric. Is it now "far-left" to want our government to be less focused on hate, racism and misinformation? Blimey, what a time to be alive.which government as ever been focused on hate or racism???? I didn't say there has been. I'm talking about why I wouldn't be voting Reform. you said is it now far left to want our government to be less focused on hate and racism? I’m asking you so which goverment as been focussed on hate and racism?it’s your words you said LESS " I didn't say there has been. I'm talking about why I wouldn't be voting Reform. Not sure how else to phrase the reply, so I pasted the same thing in. The conversation was about the Reform party, and people voting for them in the next election. Try reading from further back. | |||
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" 'Rain Gate' is now closed: Whilst I can see how some want that to be the case, it's already out there.. Self inflicted which gives it more gravitas.. Maybe it was part of the cunning plan.. So in what way is it out there? That people will judge anyone to a lesser degree because they stood in the rain? If that is truly the case, it proves to me that people who would hold that view shouldn't be allowed to vote! Baby Jeebus would be rolling back his Stone in Biblical Consternation !!!" It's the optics isn't it? This is the media age, and how you 'look' is critical. A gormless looking PM stood at a lectern in torrential rain is hardly an inspiring sight. | |||
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" 'Rain Gate' is now closed: Whilst I can see how some want that to be the case, it's already out there.. Self inflicted which gives it more gravitas.. Maybe it was part of the cunning plan.. So in what way is it out there? That people will judge anyone to a lesser degree because they stood in the rain? If that is truly the case, it proves to me that people who would hold that view shouldn't be allowed to vote! Baby Jeebus would be rolling back his Stone in Biblical Consternation !!! It's the optics isn't it? This is the media age, and how you 'look' is critical. A gormless looking PM stood at a lectern in torrential rain is hardly an inspiring sight." And the dullards soak it up. Pun intended. | |||
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" 'Rain Gate' is now closed: Whilst I can see how some want that to be the case, it's already out there.. Self inflicted which gives it more gravitas.. Maybe it was part of the cunning plan.. So in what way is it out there? That people will judge anyone to a lesser degree because they stood in the rain? If that is truly the case, it proves to me that people who would hold that view shouldn't be allowed to vote! Baby Jeebus would be rolling back his Stone !!! But people do, the same way they judged Ed Milliband for how he ate a bacon sandwich. The optics are important, emotion trumps logic every time. Precisely my point. Those people are calling Politicians for immature and childish behaviour while demostrating just how childish and immature is their thinking." Where have people been calling Politicians for immature behaviour? We all like to think that we are the ones thinking logically and looking at the facts etc. but Brexit wasn’t a logical fact based vote, it was completely illogical and massively emotional. Same as the image of Sunak, already considered by many to be a weak Prime Minister, looking like a complete drip, will resonate with voters. It’s not logical but it’s out there, and Sunak is the drip, regardless of facts and logic. | |||
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"Voting Reform, country needs real change and Tory and Labour will offer nothing different Does the country really need more hate, racism, culture wars, and less science? Hate? Have a look at Lee Anderson's twitter. Racism? Have a look at their education policy on their website. Less science? Have a look at their energy policy on their website, and watch Richard Tice talking about climate change on Question time. Go on, give us some concrete examples of where this forms Reform Party policy, other than your far-left hyperbole and rhetoric. Is it now "far-left" to want our government to be less focused on hate, racism and misinformation? Blimey, what a time to be alive.which government as ever been focused on hate or racism???? I didn't say there has been. I'm talking about why I wouldn't be voting Reform. you said is it now far left to want our government to be less focused on hate and racism? I’m asking you so which goverment as been focussed on hate and racism?it’s your words you said LESS I didn't say there has been. I'm talking about why I wouldn't be voting Reform. Not sure how else to phrase the reply, so I pasted the same thing in. The conversation was about the Reform party, and people voting for them in the next election. Try reading from further back. " so are you saying then that reform are focussed on hate and racism or are you just shouting out them words for the sake of it | |||
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"What do you think, Drippy Rishi, or Rishi the Drip?" As long as we can have flip-flop or Stammering Starmer. Or maybe we hear what they have to say instead. | |||
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"Voting Reform, country needs real change and Tory and Labour will offer nothing different Does the country really need more hate, racism, culture wars, and less science? Hate? Have a look at Lee Anderson's twitter. Racism? Have a look at their education policy on their website. Less science? Have a look at their energy policy on their website, and watch Richard Tice talking about climate change on Question time. Go on, give us some concrete examples of where this forms Reform Party policy, other than your far-left hyperbole and rhetoric. Is it now "far-left" to want our government to be less focused on hate, racism and misinformation? Blimey, what a time to be alive.which government as ever been focused on hate or racism???? I didn't say there has been. I'm talking about why I wouldn't be voting Reform. you said is it now far left to want our government to be less focused on hate and racism? I’m asking you so which goverment as been focussed on hate and racism?it’s your words you said LESS I didn't say there has been. I'm talking about why I wouldn't be voting Reform. Not sure how else to phrase the reply, so I pasted the same thing in. The conversation was about the Reform party, and people voting for them in the next election. Try reading from further back. so are you saying then that reform are focussed on hate and racism or are you just shouting out them words for the sake of it " Almost there! I'm saying I want less hate and racism than Reform are bringing to the table. Less division, less culture wars. And I am in favour of science being used to inform policy makers. | |||
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"His media team will not have wanted that to be the initial thing that some will recall, same as all the main parties media strategy will be looking at how they might use the upcoming Euros tournament depending on how it goes.. Modern politics is what we the electorate have tolerated and allowed to become the normal, details and facts are less important it seems than catchy sound bites and populist albeit untrue claims on a bus.." Right wing parties in particular (but nationalists like the SNP too) have woken up to the fact that is easier to play into people’s prejudices and fears than it is to do the hard work of arguing your case using facts and developing effective policies. Labour now seem to have cottoned on and are catching up. We’ve let them do this because it means we don’t have to think, we just need to vote for the people who trigger the right emotions in us. | |||
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"Voting Reform, country needs real change and Tory and Labour will offer nothing different Does the country really need more hate, racism, culture wars, and less science? Hate? Have a look at Lee Anderson's twitter. Racism? Have a look at their education policy on their website. Less science? Have a look at their energy policy on their website, and watch Richard Tice talking about climate change on Question time. Go on, give us some concrete examples of where this forms Reform Party policy, other than your far-left hyperbole and rhetoric. Is it now "far-left" to want our government to be less focused on hate, racism and misinformation? Blimey, what a time to be alive.which government as ever been focused on hate or racism???? I didn't say there has been. I'm talking about why I wouldn't be voting Reform. you said is it now far left to want our government to be less focused on hate and racism? I’m asking you so which goverment as been focussed on hate and racism?it’s your words you said LESS I didn't say there has been. I'm talking about why I wouldn't be voting Reform. Not sure how else to phrase the reply, so I pasted the same thing in. The conversation was about the Reform party, and people voting for them in the next election. Try reading from further back. so are you saying then that reform are focussed on hate and racism or are you just shouting out them words for the sake of it Almost there! I'm saying I want less hate and racism than Reform are bringing to the table. Less division, less culture wars. And I am in favour of science being used to inform policy makers." almost there lol can’t help yaself can ya lol I don’t see hate or racism on the table from reform or any party tbh mate and science do you mean like they did during covid ? I’d keep them well away | |||
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"What do you think, Drippy Rishi, or Rishi the Drip? As long as we can have flip-flop or Stammering Starmer. Or maybe we hear what they have to say instead. "If you can get that to stick, then go for it, but there’s no image of Starmer looking like a drowned rat because he forgot his umbrella, out there. For the record, I’m not a Labour supporter, they’ll just be getting my vote if they are in the best position to get rid of the Tories in my constituency. | |||
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" Right wing parties in particular (but nationalists like the SNP too) have woken up to the fact that is easier to play into people’s prejudices and fears than it is to do the hard work of arguing your case using facts and developing effective policies. " SNP woken up to? The clue is in the name, lol. The Scottish National Party, they have always played to prejudice/s.  | |||
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"Voting Reform, country needs real change and Tory and Labour will offer nothing different Does the country really need more hate, racism, culture wars, and less science? Hate? Have a look at Lee Anderson's twitter. Racism? Have a look at their education policy on their website. Less science? Have a look at their energy policy on their website, and watch Richard Tice talking about climate change on Question time. Go on, give us some concrete examples of where this forms Reform Party policy, other than your far-left hyperbole and rhetoric. Is it now "far-left" to want our government to be less focused on hate, racism and misinformation? Blimey, what a time to be alive.which government as ever been focused on hate or racism???? I didn't say there has been. I'm talking about why I wouldn't be voting Reform. you said is it now far left to want our government to be less focused on hate and racism? I’m asking you so which goverment as been focussed on hate and racism?it’s your words you said LESS I didn't say there has been. I'm talking about why I wouldn't be voting Reform. Not sure how else to phrase the reply, so I pasted the same thing in. The conversation was about the Reform party, and people voting for them in the next election. Try reading from further back. so are you saying then that reform are focussed on hate and racism or are you just shouting out them words for the sake of it Almost there! I'm saying I want less hate and racism than Reform are bringing to the table. Less division, less culture wars. And I am in favour of science being used to inform policy makers.almost there lol can’t help yaself can ya lol " In fairness, this whole conversation was all above in the thread. So it shouldn't have been too difficult to follow " I don’t see hate or racism on the table from reform " Then you're not looking. As above I have examples. " or any party tbh mate " Fair play to you. " and science do you mean like they did during covid ? I’d keep them well away " Not sure what you're referring to, I'm not aware of Reform's stance on science with relation to covid. As mentioned, I'm specifically talking about climate science. | |||
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" If you can get that to stick, then go for it, " Nothing 'will' stick to Starmer - he hasn't said anything or done anything that anyone could possibly attach to him. The rain would probably fall all around him, not noticing he was there. lmao But like I say 'childish' and there is me playing under the bridge too. Shame on me. Leave you with that one. | |||
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"His media team will not have wanted that to be the initial thing that some will recall, same as all the main parties media strategy will be looking at how they might use the upcoming Euros tournament depending on how it goes.. Modern politics is what we the electorate have tolerated and allowed to become the normal, details and facts are less important it seems than catchy sound bites and populist albeit untrue claims on a bus.. Right wing parties in particular (but nationalists like the SNP too) have woken up to the fact that is easier to play into people’s prejudices and fears than it is to do the hard work of arguing your case using facts and developing effective policies. Labour now seem to have cottoned on and are catching up. We’ve let them do this because it means we don’t have to think, we just need to vote for the people who trigger the right emotions in us."
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" If you can get that to stick, then go for it, Nothing 'will' stick to Starmer - he hasn't said anything or done anything that anyone could possibly attach to him. The rain would probably fall all around him, not noticing he was there. lmao But like I say 'childish' and there is me playing under the bridge too. Shame on me. Leave you with that one. "It’s the way of the world, yet for some reason it seems to annoy us more when it’s the person on our ‘side’ it’s happening to. Maybe none of us are immune to it despite what we might think? | |||
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"Voting Reform, country needs real change and Tory and Labour will offer nothing different Does the country really need more hate, racism, culture wars, and less science? Hate? Have a look at Lee Anderson's twitter. Racism? Have a look at their education policy on their website. Less science? Have a look at their energy policy on their website, and watch Richard Tice talking about climate change on Question time. Go on, give us some concrete examples of where this forms Reform Party policy, other than your far-left hyperbole and rhetoric. Is it now "far-left" to want our government to be less focused on hate, racism and misinformation? Blimey, what a time to be alive.which government as ever been focused on hate or racism???? I didn't say there has been. I'm talking about why I wouldn't be voting Reform. you said is it now far left to want our government to be less focused on hate and racism? I’m asking you so which goverment as been focussed on hate and racism?it’s your words you said LESS I didn't say there has been. I'm talking about why I wouldn't be voting Reform. Not sure how else to phrase the reply, so I pasted the same thing in. The conversation was about the Reform party, and people voting for them in the next election. Try reading from further back. so are you saying then that reform are focussed on hate and racism or are you just shouting out them words for the sake of it Almost there! I'm saying I want less hate and racism than Reform are bringing to the table. Less division, less culture wars. And I am in favour of science being used to inform policy makers.almost there lol can’t help yaself can ya lol In fairness, this whole conversation was all above in the thread. So it shouldn't have been too difficult to follow I don’t see hate or racism on the table from reform Then you're not looking. As above I have examples. or any party tbh mate Fair play to you. and science do you mean like they did during covid ? I’d keep them well away Not sure what you're referring to, I'm not aware of Reform's stance on science with relation to covid. As mentioned, I'm specifically talking about climate science." it wasn’t too difficult to follow but once again thanx for that lol so your not giving examples of any hate or racism then | |||
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"Voting Reform, country needs real change and Tory and Labour will offer nothing different Does the country really need more hate, racism, culture wars, and less science? Hate? Have a look at Lee Anderson's twitter. Racism? Have a look at their education policy on their website. Less science? Have a look at their energy policy on their website, and watch Richard Tice talking about climate change on Question time. Go on, give us some concrete examples of where this forms Reform Party policy, other than your far-left hyperbole and rhetoric. Is it now "far-left" to want our government to be less focused on hate, racism and misinformation? Blimey, what a time to be alive.which government as ever been focused on hate or racism???? I didn't say there has been. I'm talking about why I wouldn't be voting Reform. you said is it now far left to want our government to be less focused on hate and racism? I’m asking you so which goverment as been focussed on hate and racism?it’s your words you said LESS I didn't say there has been. I'm talking about why I wouldn't be voting Reform. Not sure how else to phrase the reply, so I pasted the same thing in. The conversation was about the Reform party, and people voting for them in the next election. Try reading from further back. so are you saying then that reform are focussed on hate and racism or are you just shouting out them words for the sake of it Almost there! I'm saying I want less hate and racism than Reform are bringing to the table. Less division, less culture wars. And I am in favour of science being used to inform policy makers.almost there lol can’t help yaself can ya lol In fairness, this whole conversation was all above in the thread. So it shouldn't have been too difficult to follow I don’t see hate or racism on the table from reform Then you're not looking. As above I have examples. or any party tbh mate Fair play to you. and science do you mean like they did during covid ? I’d keep them well away Not sure what you're referring to, I'm not aware of Reform's stance on science with relation to covid. As mentioned, I'm specifically talking about climate science.it wasn’t too difficult to follow but once again thanx for that lol " Great, so you won't keep asking me to repeat the same things I've already addressed further up the thread. Excellent. " so your not giving examples of any hate or racism then " Oh. | |||
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" If you can get that to stick, then go for it, Nothing 'will' stick to Starmer - he hasn't said anything or done anything that anyone could possibly attach to him. The rain would probably fall all around him, not noticing he was there. lmao But like I say 'childish' and there is me playing under the bridge too. Shame on me. Leave you with that one.
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"Voting Reform, country needs real change and Tory and Labour will offer nothing different Does the country really need more hate, racism, culture wars, and less science? Hate? Have a look at Lee Anderson's twitter. Racism? Have a look at their education policy on their website. Less science? Have a look at their energy policy on their website, and watch Richard Tice talking about climate change on Question time. Go on, give us some concrete examples of where this forms Reform Party policy, other than your far-left hyperbole and rhetoric. Is it now "far-left" to want our government to be less focused on hate, racism and misinformation? Blimey, what a time to be alive.which government as ever been focused on hate or racism???? I didn't say there has been. I'm talking about why I wouldn't be voting Reform. you said is it now far left to want our government to be less focused on hate and racism? I’m asking you so which goverment as been focussed on hate and racism?it’s your words you said LESS I didn't say there has been. I'm talking about why I wouldn't be voting Reform. Not sure how else to phrase the reply, so I pasted the same thing in. The conversation was about the Reform party, and people voting for them in the next election. Try reading from further back. so are you saying then that reform are focussed on hate and racism or are you just shouting out them words for the sake of it Almost there! I'm saying I want less hate and racism than Reform are bringing to the table. Less division, less culture wars. And I am in favour of science being used to inform policy makers.almost there lol can’t help yaself can ya lol In fairness, this whole conversation was all above in the thread. So it shouldn't have been too difficult to follow I don’t see hate or racism on the table from reform Then you're not looking. As above I have examples. or any party tbh mate Fair play to you. and science do you mean like they did during covid ? I’d keep them well away Not sure what you're referring to, I'm not aware of Reform's stance on science with relation to covid. As mentioned, I'm specifically talking about climate science.it wasn’t too difficult to follow but once again thanx for that lol Great, so you won't keep asking me to repeat the same things I've already addressed further up the thread. Excellent. so your not giving examples of any hate or racism then Oh. "just spouting trigger words again the old faithful hate and racism there’s a shock you’ve not done that for a while lol | |||
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"Voting Reform, country needs real change and Tory and Labour will offer nothing different Does the country really need more hate, racism, culture wars, and less science? Hate? Have a look at Lee Anderson's twitter. Racism? Have a look at their education policy on their website. Less science? Have a look at their energy policy on their website, and watch Richard Tice talking about climate change on Question time. Go on, give us some concrete examples of where this forms Reform Party policy, other than your far-left hyperbole and rhetoric. Is it now "far-left" to want our government to be less focused on hate, racism and misinformation? Blimey, what a time to be alive.which government as ever been focused on hate or racism???? I didn't say there has been. I'm talking about why I wouldn't be voting Reform. you said is it now far left to want our government to be less focused on hate and racism? I’m asking you so which goverment as been focussed on hate and racism?it’s your words you said LESS I didn't say there has been. I'm talking about why I wouldn't be voting Reform. Not sure how else to phrase the reply, so I pasted the same thing in. The conversation was about the Reform party, and people voting for them in the next election. Try reading from further back. so are you saying then that reform are focussed on hate and racism or are you just shouting out them words for the sake of it Almost there! I'm saying I want less hate and racism than Reform are bringing to the table. Less division, less culture wars. And I am in favour of science being used to inform policy makers.almost there lol can’t help yaself can ya lol In fairness, this whole conversation was all above in the thread. So it shouldn't have been too difficult to follow I don’t see hate or racism on the table from reform Then you're not looking. As above I have examples. or any party tbh mate Fair play to you. and science do you mean like they did during covid ? I’d keep them well away Not sure what you're referring to, I'm not aware of Reform's stance on science with relation to covid. As mentioned, I'm specifically talking about climate science.it wasn’t too difficult to follow but once again thanx for that lol Great, so you won't keep asking me to repeat the same things I've already addressed further up the thread. Excellent. so your not giving examples of any hate or racism then Oh. just spouting trigger words again the old faithful hate and racism there’s a shock you’ve not done that for a while lol"Does this mean you've abandoned any form of reasoned argument on the subject matter and you're just having a pop at me now? In which case, I'll leave you to it. | |||
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"Voting Reform, country needs real change and Tory and Labour will offer nothing different Does the country really need more hate, racism, culture wars, and less science? Hate? Have a look at Lee Anderson's twitter. Racism? Have a look at their education policy on their website. Less science? Have a look at their energy policy on their website, and watch Richard Tice talking about climate change on Question time. Go on, give us some concrete examples of where this forms Reform Party policy, other than your far-left hyperbole and rhetoric. Is it now "far-left" to want our government to be less focused on hate, racism and misinformation? Blimey, what a time to be alive.which government as ever been focused on hate or racism???? I didn't say there has been. I'm talking about why I wouldn't be voting Reform. you said is it now far left to want our government to be less focused on hate and racism? I’m asking you so which goverment as been focussed on hate and racism?it’s your words you said LESS I didn't say there has been. I'm talking about why I wouldn't be voting Reform. Not sure how else to phrase the reply, so I pasted the same thing in. The conversation was about the Reform party, and people voting for them in the next election. Try reading from further back. so are you saying then that reform are focussed on hate and racism or are you just shouting out them words for the sake of it Almost there! I'm saying I want less hate and racism than Reform are bringing to the table. Less division, less culture wars. And I am in favour of science being used to inform policy makers.almost there lol can’t help yaself can ya lol In fairness, this whole conversation was all above in the thread. So it shouldn't have been too difficult to follow I don’t see hate or racism on the table from reform Then you're not looking. As above I have examples. or any party tbh mate Fair play to you. and science do you mean like they did during covid ? I’d keep them well away Not sure what you're referring to, I'm not aware of Reform's stance on science with relation to covid. As mentioned, I'm specifically talking about climate science.it wasn’t too difficult to follow but once again thanx for that lol Great, so you won't keep asking me to repeat the same things I've already addressed further up the thread. Excellent. so your not giving examples of any hate or racism then Oh. just spouting trigger words again the old faithful hate and racism there’s a shock you’ve not done that for a while lol
Does this mean you've abandoned any form of reasoned argument on the subject matter and you're just having a pop at me now?
In which case, I'll leave you to it."I just wanted examples from you on the hate and racism part of your post it’s ok if you have none don’t worry about it bud | |||
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"Voting Reform, country needs real change and Tory and Labour will offer nothing different Does the country really need more hate, racism, culture wars, and less science? Hate? Have a look at Lee Anderson's twitter. Racism? Have a look at their education policy on their website. Less science? Have a look at their energy policy on their website, and watch Richard Tice talking about climate change on Question time. Go on, give us some concrete examples of where this forms Reform Party policy, other than your far-left hyperbole and rhetoric. Is it now "far-left" to want our government to be less focused on hate, racism and misinformation? Blimey, what a time to be alive.which government as ever been focused on hate or racism???? I didn't say there has been. I'm talking about why I wouldn't be voting Reform. you said is it now far left to want our government to be less focused on hate and racism? I’m asking you so which goverment as been focussed on hate and racism?it’s your words you said LESS I didn't say there has been. I'm talking about why I wouldn't be voting Reform. Not sure how else to phrase the reply, so I pasted the same thing in. The conversation was about the Reform party, and people voting for them in the next election. Try reading from further back. so are you saying then that reform are focussed on hate and racism or are you just shouting out them words for the sake of it Almost there! I'm saying I want less hate and racism than Reform are bringing to the table. Less division, less culture wars. And I am in favour of science being used to inform policy makers.almost there lol can’t help yaself can ya lol In fairness, this whole conversation was all above in the thread. So it shouldn't have been too difficult to follow I don’t see hate or racism on the table from reform Then you're not looking. As above I have examples. or any party tbh mate Fair play to you. and science do you mean like they did during covid ? I’d keep them well away Not sure what you're referring to, I'm not aware of Reform's stance on science with relation to covid. As mentioned, I'm specifically talking about climate science.it wasn’t too difficult to follow but once again thanx for that lol Great, so you won't keep asking me to repeat the same things I've already addressed further up the thread. Excellent. so your not giving examples of any hate or racism then Oh. just spouting trigger words again the old faithful hate and racism there’s a shock you’ve not done that for a while lol
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In which case, I'll leave you to it. I just wanted examples from you on the hate and racism part of your post it’s ok if you have none don’t worry about it bud "Why didn't you bother reading the conversation before asking? Here's from further up the thread where I addressed the points when the other chap asked. "Hate? Have a look at Lee Anderson's twitter. Racism? Have a look at their education policy on their website. Less science? Have a look at their energy policy on their website, and watch Richard Tice talking about climate change on Question time." | |||
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"Decisions decisions, which bunch of dickheads gets your vote. Think I’ll give it a miss. " So you're content for another term of sleaze, nepotism, infighting, leadership contests, partyandothergates? There is less apathy among blue supporters. | |||
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"What do we make of the imagery from the announcement yesterday? A gormless PM stood in the pouring rain sans umbrella. Is this going for the sympathy vote? No, it shows they couldn’t organise a piss up in a brewery. It's a bit rich to claim "Labour has no plans" when No. 10 didn't think to check the weather forecast" They didn't need to check, just look outside | |||
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"Voting Reform, country needs real change and Tory and Labour will offer nothing different " I'd rather vote for the monster raving loony party. | |||
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"Voting Reform, country needs real change and Tory and Labour will offer nothing different Does the country really need more hate, racism, culture wars, and less science? Hate? Have a look at Lee Anderson's twitter. Racism? Have a look at their education policy on their website. Less science? Have a look at their energy policy on their website, and watch Richard Tice talking about climate change on Question time. Go on, give us some concrete examples of where this forms Reform Party policy, other than your far-left hyperbole and rhetoric. Is it now "far-left" to want our government to be less focused on hate, racism and misinformation? Blimey, what a time to be alive.which government as ever been focused on hate or racism???? I didn't say there has been. I'm talking about why I wouldn't be voting Reform. you said is it now far left to want our government to be less focused on hate and racism? I’m asking you so which goverment as been focussed on hate and racism?it’s your words you said LESS I didn't say there has been. I'm talking about why I wouldn't be voting Reform. Not sure how else to phrase the reply, so I pasted the same thing in. The conversation was about the Reform party, and people voting for them in the next election. Try reading from further back. so are you saying then that reform are focussed on hate and racism or are you just shouting out them words for the sake of it Almost there! I'm saying I want less hate and racism than Reform are bringing to the table. Less division, less culture wars. And I am in favour of science being used to inform policy makers.almost there lol can’t help yaself can ya lol In fairness, this whole conversation was all above in the thread. So it shouldn't have been too difficult to follow I don’t see hate or racism on the table from reform Then you're not looking. As above I have examples. or any party tbh mate Fair play to you. and science do you mean like they did during covid ? I’d keep them well away Not sure what you're referring to, I'm not aware of Reform's stance on science with relation to covid. As mentioned, I'm specifically talking about climate science.it wasn’t too difficult to follow but once again thanx for that lol Great, so you won't keep asking me to repeat the same things I've already addressed further up the thread. Excellent. so your not giving examples of any hate or racism then Oh. just spouting trigger words again the old faithful hate and racism there’s a shock you’ve not done that for a while lol
Does this mean you've abandoned any form of reasoned argument on the subject matter and you're just having a pop at me now?
In which case, I'll leave you to it. I just wanted examples from you on the hate and racism part of your post it’s ok if you have none don’t worry about it bud
Why didn't you bother reading the conversation before asking?
Here's from further up the thread where I addressed the points when the other chap asked.
"Hate?
Have a look at Lee Anderson's twitter.
Racism?
Have a look at their education policy on their website.
Less science?
Have a look at their energy policy on their website, and watch Richard Tice talking about climate change on Question time."
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" Personally I think we need to change in the opposite direction. Less hate, less racism, more tolerant society, better education around science, understanding what it means, how it works, how to analyse information etc. Is that your code for open borders and “the rich” (i.e. anyone earning over £25k so long as it’s not you) paying for wealth redistribution to the lame and lazy and anyone out there that wants a free hand out that they can’t get in their own country, and “science” dictating ruinously expensive “zero carbon” policies we neither need nor can afford while teaching radical transgender ideology to 5 year olds? Funny how you lot who preach your version of “kindness” always want someone else to pay for your virtue signalling and will go to the most extreme lengths to cancel and bully anyone who doesn’t share your world view. I think it’s about time for less kindness and more robust argument and for the centre ground to fight back against the lunatic left. " 1. 25 grand is less than average wage. 2. Lame, you mean have a disability that impedes type of employment or weekly hours worked? 3. There always will be lazy people, fortunately most working class people have work ethics (not sit your arse types). 4. Don't you believe in climate change? 5.Gender should be an age appropriate subject at school. 6. This is all far left and not decency? | |||
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"Voting Reform, country needs real change and Tory and Labour will offer nothing different Nigel says no.. Now is not the 'right time' for him to stand.. What a surprise.. I suspect the right time will be when he thinks there’s a seat he can win, so never. Maybe for science to be at the point where he can have a face transplant and look like Boris.. I look forward to his supporters telling us how clever he is, and that he’s actually playing 4D chess but we just don’t understand what his grand plan is." To just have the king survive  | |||
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"Voting Reform, country needs real change and Tory and Labour will offer nothing different Does the country really need more hate, racism, culture wars, and less science? Hate? Have a look at Lee Anderson's twitter. Racism? Have a look at their education policy on their website. Less science? Have a look at their energy policy on their website, and watch Richard Tice talking about climate change on Question time. Go on, give us some concrete examples of where this forms Reform Party policy, other than your far-left hyperbole and rhetoric. Is it now "far-left" to want our government to be less focused on hate, racism and misinformation? Blimey, what a time to be alive.which government as ever been focused on hate or racism???? I didn't say there has been. I'm talking about why I wouldn't be voting Reform. you said is it now far left to want our government to be less focused on hate and racism? I’m asking you so which goverment as been focussed on hate and racism?it’s your words you said LESS I didn't say there has been. I'm talking about why I wouldn't be voting Reform. Not sure how else to phrase the reply, so I pasted the same thing in. The conversation was about the Reform party, and people voting for them in the next election. Try reading from further back. so are you saying then that reform are focussed on hate and racism or are you just shouting out them words for the sake of it Almost there! I'm saying I want less hate and racism than Reform are bringing to the table. Less division, less culture wars. And I am in favour of science being used to inform policy makers.almost there lol can’t help yaself can ya lol In fairness, this whole conversation was all above in the thread. So it shouldn't have been too difficult to follow I don’t see hate or racism on the table from reform Then you're not looking. As above I have examples. or any party tbh mate Fair play to you. and science do you mean like they did during covid ? I’d keep them well away Not sure what you're referring to, I'm not aware of Reform's stance on science with relation to covid. As mentioned, I'm specifically talking about climate science.it wasn’t too difficult to follow but once again thanx for that lol Great, so you won't keep asking me to repeat the same things I've already addressed further up the thread. Excellent. so your not giving examples of any hate or racism then Oh. just spouting trigger words again the old faithful hate and racism there’s a shock you’ve not done that for a while lol
Does this mean you've abandoned any form of reasoned argument on the subject matter and you're just having a pop at me now?
In which case, I'll leave you to it. I just wanted examples from you on the hate and racism part of your post it’s ok if you have none don’t worry about it bud
Why didn't you bother reading the conversation before asking?
Here's from further up the thread where I addressed the points when the other chap asked.
"Hate?
Have a look at Lee Anderson's twitter.
Racism?
Have a look at their education policy on their website.
Less science?
Have a look at their energy policy on their website, and watch Richard Tice talking about climate change on Question time."
yes I read that lots of have a look at this and that but no examples sorry I don’t have Twitter my bad lol" | |||
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"I believe the climate is changing but don't believe in climate emergency like Sadiq Khan and some of you like to spin and scare people about. Like for.example he wants people to stop driving as he feels they pollute the environment kool although I don't people should stop driving but make.it sense when he does nothing about the air quality under the London Underground when the air quality is much worse " | |||
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"Keir Starmer must not become Prime Minister " You can always emigrate | |||
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"I believe the climate is changing but don't believe in climate emergency like Sadiq Khan and some of you like to spin and scare people about. Like for.example he wants people to stop driving as he feels they pollute the environment kool although I don't people should stop driving but make.it sense when he does nothing about the air quality under the London Underground when the air quality is much worse " That question has been answered mate, until the next time it's done and dusted.. Perhaps find someone else to let live rent free in your head..? | |||
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"I believe the climate is changing but don't believe in climate emergency like Sadiq Khan and some of you like to spin and scare people about. Like for.example he wants people to stop driving as he feels they pollute the environment kool although I don't people should stop driving but make.it sense when he does nothing about the air quality under the London Underground when the air quality is much worse " You're confusing two separate issues. Firstly climate science. It's real, you can learn about it, understand it, and be informed. Once you do this, you'll be much less likely to vote Reform who want to prioritise fossil fuels company profits over doing anything to tackle climate change. Secondly reducing traffic pollution is just one small part of the miriad of methods for tackling the problem. | |||
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"Keir Starmer must not become Prime Minister " Don’t know why but I keep getting images if King Canute? | |||
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"I believe the climate is changing but don't believe in climate emergency like Sadiq Khan and some of you like to spin and scare people about. Like for.example he wants people to stop driving as he feels they pollute the environment kool although I don't people should stop driving but make.it sense when he does nothing about the air quality under the London Underground when the air quality is much worse You're confusing two separate issues. Firstly climate science. It's real, you can learn about it, understand it, and be informed. Once you do this, you'll be much less likely to vote Reform who want to prioritise fossil fuels company profits over doing anything to tackle climate change. Secondly reducing traffic pollution is just one small part of the miriad of methods for tackling the problem." I have read about Climate science and while I know you're a person who cares passionately about the climate but some of the things about it is wildly exaggerated it's facts not my opinion | |||
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"To be fair to Rishi, the poor chap doesn’t know how to put petrol in a car so why would he know what an umbrella is?" Of course he does, it’s a thing someone else holds for him so he doesn’t get wet. | |||
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"To be fair to Rishi, the poor chap doesn’t know how to put petrol in a car so why would he know what an umbrella is? Of course he does, it’s a thing someone else holds for him so he doesn’t get wet." He’s probably more used to having a canopy over his palanquin! | |||
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"I believe the climate is changing but don't believe in climate emergency like Sadiq Khan and some of you like to spin and scare people about. Like for.example he wants people to stop driving as he feels they pollute the environment kool although I don't people should stop driving but make.it sense when he does nothing about the air quality under the London Underground when the air quality is much worse You're confusing two separate issues. Firstly climate science. It's real, you can learn about it, understand it, and be informed. Once you do this, you'll be much less likely to vote Reform who want to prioritise fossil fuels company profits over doing anything to tackle climate change. Secondly reducing traffic pollution is just one small part of the miriad of methods for tackling the problem. I have read about Climate science and while I know you're a person who cares passionately about the climate but some of the things about it is wildly exaggerated it's facts not my opinion " Such as? | |||
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"I believe the climate is changing but don't believe in climate emergency like Sadiq Khan and some of you like to spin and scare people about. Like for.example he wants people to stop driving as he feels they pollute the environment kool although I don't people should stop driving but make.it sense when he does nothing about the air quality under the London Underground when the air quality is much worse You're confusing two separate issues. Firstly climate science. It's real, you can learn about it, understand it, and be informed. Once you do this, you'll be much less likely to vote Reform who want to prioritise fossil fuels company profits over doing anything to tackle climate change. Secondly reducing traffic pollution is just one small part of the miriad of methods for tackling the problem. I have read about Climate science and while I know you're a person who cares passionately about the climate but some of the things about it is wildly exaggerated it's facts not my opinion Such as?" heres a fact it doesn’t matter a jot what the U.K. does it won’t make a blind bit of difference unless China India Brazil and lots more change | |||
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"I believe the climate is changing but don't believe in climate emergency like Sadiq Khan and some of you like to spin and scare people about. Like for.example he wants people to stop driving as he feels they pollute the environment kool although I don't people should stop driving but make.it sense when he does nothing about the air quality under the London Underground when the air quality is much worse You're confusing two separate issues. Firstly climate science. It's real, you can learn about it, understand it, and be informed. Once you do this, you'll be much less likely to vote Reform who want to prioritise fossil fuels company profits over doing anything to tackle climate change. Secondly reducing traffic pollution is just one small part of the miriad of methods for tackling the problem. I have read about Climate science and while I know you're a person who cares passionately about the climate but some of the things about it is wildly exaggerated it's facts not my opinion Such as?heres a fact " Yes, let's go, love facts about climate science. " it doesn’t matter a jot what the U.K. does it won’t make a blind bit of difference unless China India Brazil and lots more change " Oh this wasn't a fact about climate science. And it wasn't a fact. How disappointing. | |||
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