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I did enjoy it when the KC asked her
“Why is it that in your witness statements when you refer to a recollection of a conversation that’s unminited or undocumented, not referred to in any email, there are always things that exculpate you, that reduce your blameworthiness?” |
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"She'd rather be seen as incompetent than guilty
Agreed. She seems to be taking everyone in that direction."
It's so shocking to me that I'm genuinely struggling to believe what I see and read in connection with this.
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"She'd rather be seen as incompetent than guilty
Agreed. She seems to be taking everyone in that direction.
It's so shocking to me that I'm genuinely struggling to believe what I see and read in connection with this.
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The people who operate at these levels really don’t think there will be consequences for their actions, because there so rarely are. |
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"She'd rather be seen as incompetent than guilty
Agreed. She seems to be taking everyone in that direction.
It's so shocking to me that I'm genuinely struggling to believe what I see and read in connection with this.
The people who operate at these levels really don’t think there will be consequences for their actions, because there so rarely are."
Yes. She attempted to cover it up when it looked as if it would come to light.
How can she live with herself? |
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"She'd rather be seen as incompetent than guilty
Agreed. She seems to be taking everyone in that direction.
It's so shocking to me that I'm genuinely struggling to believe what I see and read in connection with this.
The people who operate at these levels really don’t think there will be consequences for their actions, because there so rarely are.
Yes. She attempted to cover it up when it looked as if it would come to light.
How can she live with herself?"
There’s a distinct possibility she’s a sociopath. |
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"She'd rather be seen as incompetent than guilty
Agreed. She seems to be taking everyone in that direction.
It's so shocking to me that I'm genuinely struggling to believe what I see and read in connection with this.
The people who operate at these levels really don’t think there will be consequences for their actions, because there so rarely are.
Yes. She attempted to cover it up when it looked as if it would come to light.
How can she live with herself?
There’s a distinct possibility she’s a sociopath."
 that's a bet I'd take. |
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It's been the same all the way through with those at the top of the organisation who sent innocent people to jail and ruined hundreds of lives for something that they knew was not the case..
And they covered it up from the start and now they're protecting their own arses, 'sorry' doesn't cut it..
The I don't remember or the I didn't know what my highly paid role was and am incompetent isn't good enough..
I hope if the government don't prosecute them then the campaign group dies take out private prosecutions..
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"She'd rather be seen as incompetent than guilty
Agreed. She seems to be taking everyone in that direction.
It's so shocking to me that I'm genuinely struggling to believe what I see and read in connection with this.
The people who operate at these levels really don’t think there will be consequences for their actions, because there so rarely are.
Yes. She attempted to cover it up when it looked as if it would come to light.
How can she live with herself?"
how can she live with herself? I imagine the salary she was on made it very easy |
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By *eavenNhellCouple 31 weeks ago
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"She'd rather be seen as incompetent than guilty
Agreed. She seems to be taking everyone in that direction.
It's so shocking to me that I'm genuinely struggling to believe what I see and read in connection with this.
The people who operate at these levels really don’t think there will be consequences for their actions, because there so rarely are.
Yes. She attempted to cover it up when it looked as if it would come to light.
How can she live with herself?how can she live with herself? I imagine the salary she was on made it very easy"
and the gold plated pension plus the damehood |
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"I'm really not to rush to justice. But I wouldn't trust this woman with my cat. And if she told me it was raining, I would still step outside to look.
Shocking lack of candour."
Ah, maybe Sunak asked her the weather before going outside, explains a lot. |
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"And she's back: Not remembering . . .
The poor thing, it must be terrible to suffer such huge and quite specific memory loss.  "
Not the best look going forward for many of the higher echelons who oversaw this injustice..
'when I was at the post office I was so incompetent I didn't know my remit or even that we were knowingly prosecuting innocent people who worked for us' |
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"How can she not have known the Post Office was mounting its own prosecutions?
Gross incompetence or lies. The choice is ours "
I'd go with both, coupled with a callous nature, despite her church proclamations |
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"How can she not have known the Post Office was mounting its own prosecutions?
Gross incompetence or lies. The choice is ours
I'd go with both, coupled with a callous nature, despite her church proclamations"
Sadly the majority of ‘Christians’ I have encountered believe it’s more to do with how often they go to church than how they behave. |
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By *ip2Man 31 weeks ago
Near Maidenhead |
Oh, my.
Vennels has been asked in court about "the decision not to launch a full forensic investigation into claims of unsafe convictions that had emerged in some media, including Computer Weekly".
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/may/23/paula-vennells-ruled-out-post-office-review-told-would-be-front-page-news
"Some media"? That means Private Eye magazine... |
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"Oh, my.
Vennels has been asked in court about "the decision not to launch a full forensic investigation into claims of unsafe convictions that had emerged in some media, including Computer Weekly".
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/may/23/paula-vennells-ruled-out-post-office-review-told-would-be-front-page-news
"Some media"? That means Private Eye magazine..."
Not really sure what you are saying? |
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By *ip2Man 31 weeks ago
Near Maidenhead |
"Not really sure what you are saying?"
Oh sorry I am saying I wonder if it was partly because of not liking Private Eye magazine and not wanting to make Private Eye feel important.
I mean, like, "oh anything that has been in Private Eye is complete rubbish and we're not going to respond to it". |
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By *ip2Man 31 weeks ago
Near Maidenhead |
Today I met a woman who used to work in a post office in Ascot years ago when all the books were on paper and they used ink pads and rubber stamps.
It made me wonder. If she had been born a lot later, and had been in charge in that post office, could she have become a victim of this scandal?
Meanwhile, I have heard of someone else who actually did steal cash from a post office till, and ended up getting done for it.
So in at least one case, dishonest staff did exist. |
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By *oo hotCouple 31 weeks ago
North West |
"I'm really not to rush to justice. But I wouldn't trust this woman with my cat. And if she told me it was raining, I would still step outside to look.
Shocking lack of candour."
Unfortunately, our establishment is packed with incompetent and useless blaggers just like this person and they only get our attention when a scandal is publicised. In the main, thousands and thousands of people inhabit the higher echelons of our society not because of how good and how capable they are, but because of who they know.
We actually do need a revolution in this country and we all need to stop nodding along and obediently accepting nepotism and ‘the old boys club’ way that our society is run. It’s not as if it is the first time that we have been shocked by the behaviour of people with high levels of responsibility being humiliated in a public enquiry… they should not have ever been in those positions in the first place. |
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By *ip2Man 31 weeks ago
Near Maidenhead |
"Unfortunately, our establishment is packed with incompetent and useless blaggers just like this person"
Maybe. A comment piece recently said, there are two classes in this country. There are people who get prosecuted, and people who get directorships.
Is the private school system to blame? I looked to see where Vennels went to school and sure enough -- "in her early years, Vennells, from Denton, Lancashire, studied at the private all-girls school, Manchester High School for Girls" (Daily Mirror) |
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By *ip2Man 31 weeks ago
Near Maidenhead |
I wondered if it is like how security holes get in computer programs.
Developers naturally aren't inclined to think of abuse of their pride and joy.
In the same way, maybe the top Post Office people could not think of how the job they loved could be doing harm.
They seemed to have got attached to an article of faith: Horizon has no errors.
That's a long way from the poster on the wall of the maths teacher I remember at school. It said,
"To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer". |
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Mr Edward Henry KC Questioning:
I don't recollect that
I can't remember the email
I can't remember the email in detail
I don't believe I did
I don't recall
I'm aware now
I don't remember that
It wasn't me
Nobody told me
This is just the first 20 minutes of question and answer of Vennells.
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"Mr Edward Henry KC Questioning:
I don't recollect that
I can't remember the email
I can't remember the email in detail
I don't believe I did
I don't recall
I'm aware now
I don't remember that
It wasn't me
Nobody told me
This is just the first 20 minutes of question and answer of Vennells.
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I think she should speak to a doctor, she may have early onset dementia. |
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"I wondered if it is like how security holes get in computer programs.
Developers naturally aren't inclined to think of abuse of their pride and joy.
In the same way, maybe the top Post Office people could not think of how the job they loved could be doing harm.
They seemed to have got attached to an article of faith: Horizon has no errors.
That's a long way from the poster on the wall of the maths teacher I remember at school. It said,
"To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer"."
Having worked in some very associated projects (not Horizon), with very associated companies (and people), in very associated environments...
None of this, from a company, programme or technological angle, is surprising.
What is surprising is the level of cover up and that they doubled down with prosecutions. |
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Having worked in some very associated projects (not Horizon), with very associated companies (and people), in very associated environments...
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Kickbacks, favours and threats were commonly referred to or observed from individuals (personally encountered) who were in the same environment at that time and were tangentially involved. The culture was awful.
Caveat: no direct experience with Horizon. |
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It's a bit ironic that the day she says that she was told to keep it off the news her testimony is overshadowing the most disastrous announcement of a general election by the most unpopular government in recent memory. |
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The chair has said that the inquiry will not sit on election day or the day following. Beyond that, it's going to continue regardless. Anyone can access it over youtube. I have the election running in one window and Horizon Inquiry running in another.
They won't, in my view, get in the way of each other, for those interested. |
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A somewhat side issue in relation to the hearing today, however, Vennells had been previously considered (in what detail I don't know) for the role of Bishop of London. Given the head of spiritual leadership for the city Diocese is likely to demand core characteristics of empathy, humanity, care and sensitivity it does appear Vennells and avoidance of basic skills are regular bedfellows. |
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I'm not sure "miscarriage of justice" truly describes the enormity of this case.
Vennels will struggle to get a job picking up gum from the pavement after this shit show.
A truly vile woman, with little remorse and a tenuous grasp of the suffering of her staff.
Cunt. |
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"A somewhat side issue in relation to the hearing today, however, Vennells had been previously considered (in what detail I don't know) for the role of Bishop of London. Given the head of spiritual leadership for the city Diocese is likely to demand core characteristics of empathy, humanity, care and sensitivity it does appear Vennells and avoidance of basic skills are regular bedfellows."
oh dear.
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"A somewhat side issue in relation to the hearing today, however, Vennells had been previously considered (in what detail I don't know) for the role of Bishop of London. Given the head of spiritual leadership for the city Diocese is likely to demand core characteristics of empathy, humanity, care and sensitivity it does appear Vennells and avoidance of basic skills are regular bedfellows.
oh dear.
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Third most powerful position in the Church.
I hope they don't use computers to do the accounts......... |
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"A somewhat side issue in relation to the hearing today, however, Vennells had been previously considered (in what detail I don't know) for the role of Bishop of London. Given the head of spiritual leadership for the city Diocese is likely to demand core characteristics of empathy, humanity, care and sensitivity it does appear Vennells and avoidance of basic skills are regular bedfellows.
oh dear.
Third most powerful position in the Church.
I hope they don't use computers to do the accounts........."
. If i wasn't already deeply cynical about certain things I would be now.
I don't have the ability to express my utter horror at this situation in words. |
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"A somewhat side issue in relation to the hearing today, however, Vennells had been previously considered (in what detail I don't know) for the role of Bishop of London. Given the head of spiritual leadership for the city Diocese is likely to demand core characteristics of empathy, humanity, care and sensitivity it does appear Vennells and avoidance of basic skills are regular bedfellows.
oh dear.
Third most powerful position in the Church.
I hope they don't use computers to do the accounts........."
I've already said, that money was just resting in my account before I moved it on  |
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"I wondered if it is like how security holes get in computer programs.
Developers naturally aren't inclined to think of abuse of their pride and joy.
In the same way, maybe the top Post Office people could not think of how the job they loved could be doing harm.
They seemed to have got attached to an article of faith: Horizon has no errors.
That's a long way from the poster on the wall of the maths teacher I remember at school. It said,
"To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer".
Having worked in some very associated projects (not Horizon), with very associated companies (and people), in very associated environments...
None of this, from a company, programme or technological angle, is surprising.
What is surprising is the level of cover up and that they doubled down with prosecutions."
Aside from the very obvious extrinsic motivations, it’s very easy for people to justify increasing levels of poor behaviour once they have started along that path. The little cover up makes the slightly bigger cover up easier to justify, then all of a sudden it’s this. Then the fear of all the other things being discovered drives further attempts to avoid blame.
It’s pretty simple psychology and it’s something we are all susceptible to, although generally not on this scale! |
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Post Office Horizon IT scandal: 80 detectives across UK set to investigate
The public inquiry into why more than 700 sub-postmasters were wrongly convicted is not expected to publish its final report until autumn 2025 - meaning any potential criminal charges may not be filed until 2026 at the earliest.
https://news.sky.com/story/post-office-horizon-it-scandal-80-detectives-across-uk-now-investigating-13144248
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Post Office Horizon IT scandal: 80 detectives across UK set to investigate
The public inquiry into why more than 700 sub-postmasters were wrongly convicted is not expected to publish its final report until autumn 2025 - meaning any potential criminal charges may not be filed until 2026 at the earliest.
https://news.sky.com/story/post-office-horizon-it-scandal-80-detectives-across-uk-now-investigating-13144248
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Plus no one will be allowed to discuss it due to said enquiry.
Bit like other scandals were there has to be an investigation so no one can discuss it, except here of course |
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"Do you all believe that anyone is going to jail for this?
Except for those poor postmasters. "
Fraud and conspiracy are the most likely avenues. The Fraud side is simply changing the content of documents. Which seems already to have been proved. People also can collude to deceive, (and pervert the course of justice) and I think that they are already deep into that trail with Vennells et-al.
No one will be charged until the Inquiry concludes. However.
I think. Yes. Absolutely, there will be charges. Prison time? Hmmmm! The court is still out on that one.
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By *usie pTV/TS 30 weeks ago
taunton |
I hope that some are sent to prison for this totally evil bastards but I very much doubt it and the post masters who did not go to prison have been offered a derisory 75k compensation, hardly covers what some of them paid out of their own pockets should be at least a million each, in the meantime legal profession continues to make vast fortunes over it. |
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By *ripfillMan 30 weeks ago
Paris, New York, Hong Kong and Havant |
"Mr Edward Henry KC Questioning:
I don't recollect that
I can't remember the email
I can't remember the email in detail
I don't believe I did
I don't recall
I'm aware now
I don't remember that
It wasn't me
Nobody told me
This is just the first 20 minutes of question and answer of Vennells.
The above now seems to be the stock
Replies by top civil servants. And of course Boris the lier, Gove, Hancock, Et Al
Who can be held responsible - the tax payer to pay for all the dishonesty
Not good enough - She is evil and she knew what she was doing and because it was a massive Government department it could be lost in plain sight .
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