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"And all I see are posts about human rights, child poverty (good grief), train drivers struggling on £60k etc...isn't it about time the UK realised there's a hell of a lot more serious stuff on the go? Or are we all so happy in our civilised society that we're actually too soft to handle any aggression? " Right you got my attention. What do we need to do? | |||
"And all I see are posts about human rights, child poverty (good grief), train drivers struggling on £60k etc...isn't it about time the UK realised there's a hell of a lot more serious stuff on the go? Or are we all so happy in our civilised society that we're actually too soft to handle any aggression? Right you got my attention. What do we need to do?" In fairness the OP has made it clear what we need to do to prepare for the war: 1. Stop posting about human rights. 2. Stop posting about child poverty (good grief indeed, we have more important things to post about, like panicking over a war here that's not happening) 3. If you're a train driver, stop complaining about your working conditions. That's all we need to do, and we'll be ready to face anything. | |||
"And all I see are posts about human rights, child poverty (good grief), train drivers struggling on £60k etc...isn't it about time the UK realised there's a hell of a lot more serious stuff on the go? Or are we all so happy in our civilised society that we're actually too soft to handle any aggression? Right you got my attention. What do we need to do?" Lets get ready to rumble... | |||
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"With a current stockpile 225 Nuclear warheads (2024) Four Vanguard Nuclear Submarines, each carrying 48 Warheads. Nobody is thinking of invading the UK. Now. If you really think they are, then they are already living in your head rent-free anyway. For you the ivasion has already happened. "  | |||
"And all I see are posts about human rights, child poverty (good grief), train drivers struggling on £60k etc...isn't it about time the UK realised there's a hell of a lot more serious stuff on the go? Or are we all so happy in our civilised society that we're actually too soft to handle any aggression? Right you got my attention. What do we need to do? In fairness the OP has made it clear what we need to do to prepare for the war: 1. Stop posting about human rights. 2. Stop posting about child poverty (good grief indeed, we have more important things to post about, like panicking over a war here that's not happening) 3. If you're a train driver, stop complaining about your working conditions. That's all we need to do, and we'll be ready to face anything." I’m going to sharpen up my pitchfork. That’ll show them Ruskies I mean business. | |||
"And all I see are posts about human rights, child poverty (good grief), train drivers struggling on £60k etc...isn't it about time the UK realised there's a hell of a lot more serious stuff on the go? Or are we all so happy in our civilised society that we're actually too soft to handle any aggression? Right you got my attention. What do we need to do? In fairness the OP has made it clear what we need to do to prepare for the war: 1. Stop posting about human rights. 2. Stop posting about child poverty (good grief indeed, we have more important things to post about, like panicking over a war here that's not happening) 3. If you're a train driver, stop complaining about your working conditions. That's all we need to do, and we'll be ready to face anything. I’m going to sharpen up my pitchfork. That’ll show them Ruskies I mean business."
They don't like it up 'em. | |||
"War is completely different these days if Russia or China attacked it'll be shutting down our infrastructure and facilities, banking and communication networks sabotage fuel supplies and basically creating chaos." You are correct and they are already deep into their attacks on the social fabric of most countries in the west. It is right under our nose... | |||
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"Well you're definitely right about us being too soft and I do wonder given that we are a very multicultural country how many would actually fight for this country or leg-it claiming no allegiance to this country in any sort of war? And for that matter how many born and bred nationals would fight also given how many times you see or hear people saying how shit this country is?? I think we'd be fucked if Russia invaded and wouldn't last a month. It's only our island state that's kept us safe from invasion of we'd been part of mainland Europe things would be very different." russia can’t even invade a neighbour country they have proved that all there bullshit about there well stocked army is just that bullshit of ukrain had same weapon’s as U.K. France Poland Russia would have surrendered by now | |||
"Well you're definitely right about us being too soft and I do wonder given that we are a very multicultural country how many would actually fight for this country or leg-it claiming no allegiance to this country in any sort of war? And for that matter how many born and bred nationals would fight also given how many times you see or hear people saying how shit this country is?? I think we'd be fucked if Russia invaded and wouldn't last a month. It's only our island state that's kept us safe from invasion of we'd been part of mainland Europe things would be very different.russia can’t even invade a neighbour country they have proved that all there bullshit about there well stocked army is just that bullshit of ukrain had same weapon’s as U.K. France Poland Russia would have surrendered by now " Or are they lulling us all into a sense of false security? Or you could be right hence Putin currently sucking up-to the Chinese leader. | |||
"War is completely different these days if Russia or China attacked it'll be shutting down our infrastructure and facilities, banking and communication networks sabotage fuel supplies and basically creating chaos. You are correct and they are already deep into their attacks on the social fabric of most countries in the west. It is right under our nose..." Very true. Just look where all the bots came from telling people to vote for bullshit like Trump & Brexit. | |||
"War is completely different these days if Russia or China attacked it'll be shutting down our infrastructure and facilities, banking and communication networks sabotage fuel supplies and basically creating chaos. You are correct and they are already deep into their attacks on the social fabric of most countries in the west. It is right under our nose... Very true. Just look where all the bots came from telling people to vote for bullshit like Trump & Brexit." Bots lol Stands for: Brexit Or Trump Supporters? They do exist with their own formed views, you know? Why insult people? You just have a different view on the Internet. Nobody says you're a Bot! Or do they? Are you? | |||
"War is completely different these days if Russia or China attacked it'll be shutting down our infrastructure and facilities, banking and communication networks sabotage fuel supplies and basically creating chaos. You are correct and they are already deep into their attacks on the social fabric of most countries in the west. It is right under our nose... Very true. Just look where all the bots came from telling people to vote for bullshit like Trump & Brexit. Bots lol Stands for: Brexit Or Trump Supporters? They do exist with their own formed views, you know? Why insult people? You just have a different view on the Internet. Nobody says you're a Bot! Or do they? Are you? " it’s just how they are insult after insult what’s guy eh lol | |||
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"Maybe we should wach bbc or sky news then lol" I always thought Ms Kuenssberg a bit Bot like - lol. Tends to drift off when someone is talking to her. | |||
"War is completely different these days if Russia or China attacked it'll be shutting down our infrastructure and facilities, banking and communication networks sabotage fuel supplies and basically creating chaos. You are correct and they are already deep into their attacks on the social fabric of most countries in the west. It is right under our nose... Very true. Just look where all the bots came from telling people to vote for bullshit like Trump & Brexit. Bots lol Stands for: Brexit Or Trump Supporters?" Don't think so " They do exist with their own formed views, you know? " I think they're just programmed, they don't have their own views, they're not actually people as far as I know. " Why insult people? You just have a different view on the Internet. Nobody says you're a Bot! " I haven't insulted anyone, I posted about Russian bots. " Or do they? Are you? " Do they what? am I what? What's this got to do with Russian bots? | |||
"War is completely different these days if Russia or China attacked it'll be shutting down our infrastructure and facilities, banking and communication networks sabotage fuel supplies and basically creating chaos. You are correct and they are already deep into their attacks on the social fabric of most countries in the west. It is right under our nose... Very true. Just look where all the bots came from telling people to vote for bullshit like Trump & Brexit. Bots lol Stands for: Brexit Or Trump Supporters? They do exist with their own formed views, you know? Why insult people? You just have a different view on the Internet. Nobody says you're a Bot! Or do they? Are you? it’s just how they are insult after insult what’s guy eh lol" Where did I insult the bots and even if I did, why would that upset you? | |||
"War is completely different these days if Russia or China attacked it'll be shutting down our infrastructure and facilities, banking and communication networks sabotage fuel supplies and basically creating chaos. You are correct and they are already deep into their attacks on the social fabric of most countries in the west. It is right under our nose... Very true. Just look where all the bots came from telling people to vote for bullshit like Trump & Brexit. Bots lol Stands for: Brexit Or Trump Supporters? They do exist with their own formed views, you know? Why insult people? You just have a different view on the Internet. Nobody says you're a Bot! Or do they? Are you? it’s just how they are insult after insult what’s guy eh lol Where did I insult the bots and even if I did, why would that upset you?" **************************************** "Just look where all the bots came from telling people to vote for bullshit like Trump & Brexit." Analyse the above. WHERE did "all the bots" come from...?? "TELLING people how to vote"..... really? Are people so ignorant as to have to be directed...?? "bullshit like Trump and Brexit", that is YOUR opinion, to which you are quite entitled, the content of the opinion is neither fact nor fiction. Plus, it seems every time you are challenged you cannot seem to engage properly and explain what many people on here see as childish outbursts, sometime littered with expletives. You also occasionally play the victim. My opinion, for whatever it may be worth to you is, you need to find some reasonable debating skills and learn the correct interpretation of 'critical thinking process' I really hope this helps you, genuinely I do.  | |||
"War is completely different these days if Russia or China attacked it'll be shutting down our infrastructure and facilities, banking and communication networks sabotage fuel supplies and basically creating chaos. You are correct and they are already deep into their attacks on the social fabric of most countries in the west. It is right under our nose... Very true. Just look where all the bots came from telling people to vote for bullshit like Trump & Brexit. Bots lol Stands for: Brexit Or Trump Supporters? Don't think so They do exist with their own formed views, you know? I think they're just programmed, they don't have their own views, they're not actually people as far as I know. Why insult people? You just have a different view on the Internet. Nobody says you're a Bot! I haven't insulted anyone, I posted about Russian bots. Or do they? Are you? Do they what? am I what? What's this got to do with Russian bots?" Comedy gold | |||
"War is completely different these days if Russia or China attacked it'll be shutting down our infrastructure and facilities, banking and communication networks sabotage fuel supplies and basically creating chaos. You are correct and they are already deep into their attacks on the social fabric of most countries in the west. It is right under our nose... Very true. Just look where all the bots came from telling people to vote for bullshit like Trump & Brexit. Bots lol Stands for: Brexit Or Trump Supporters? They do exist with their own formed views, you know? Why insult people? You just have a different view on the Internet. Nobody says you're a Bot! Or do they? Are you? it’s just how they are insult after insult what’s guy eh lol Where did I insult the bots and even if I did, why would that upset you?" 24ct comedy gold | |||
"War is completely different these days if Russia or China attacked it'll be shutting down our infrastructure and facilities, banking and communication networks sabotage fuel supplies and basically creating chaos. You are correct and they are already deep into their attacks on the social fabric of most countries in the west. It is right under our nose... Very true. Just look where all the bots came from telling people to vote for bullshit like Trump & Brexit. Bots lol Stands for: Brexit Or Trump Supporters? They do exist with their own formed views, you know? Why insult people? You just have a different view on the Internet. Nobody says you're a Bot! Or do they? Are you? it’s just how they are insult after insult what’s guy eh lol Where did I insult the bots and even if I did, why would that upset you? **************************************** "Just look where all the bots came from telling people to vote for bullshit like Trump & Brexit." Analyse the above. WHERE did "all the bots" come from...?? "TELLING people how to vote"..... really? Are people so ignorant as to have to be directed...?? "bullshit like Trump and Brexit", that is YOUR opinion, to which you are quite entitled, the content of the opinion is neither fact nor fiction. Plus, it seems every time you are challenged you cannot seem to engage properly and explain what many people on here see as childish outbursts, sometime littered with expletives. You also occasionally play the victim. My opinion, for whatever it may be worth to you is, you need to find some reasonable debating skills and learn the correct interpretation of 'critical thinking process' I really hope this helps you, genuinely I do. "A much better answer than mine! Happens a lot on here, they know what they're doing, but pretend they don't. The point at hand gets lost sadly. The point being that Brexit/Tory /Trump supporters can form their own opinions without 'bots' and 'party machines' and 'biased media' telling them how to think and vote. It's an insult to suggest they can't. No point asking if that's now understood without getting a variety of : I genuinely don't understand I'm confused Where did I say that I find that weird, creepy I feel under attack, basically you're joining in with the other guy You're following me around Repeat to fade | |||
"War is completely different these days if Russia or China attacked it'll be shutting down our infrastructure and facilities, banking and communication networks sabotage fuel supplies and basically creating chaos. You are correct and they are already deep into their attacks on the social fabric of most countries in the west. It is right under our nose... Very true. Just look where all the bots came from telling people to vote for bullshit like Trump & Brexit. Bots lol Stands for: Brexit Or Trump Supporters? They do exist with their own formed views, you know? Why insult people? You just have a different view on the Internet. Nobody says you're a Bot! Or do they? Are you? it’s just how they are insult after insult what’s guy eh lol Where did I insult the bots and even if I did, why would that upset you? **************************************** "Just look where all the bots came from telling people to vote for bullshit like Trump & Brexit." Analyse the above. WHERE did "all the bots" come from...?? "TELLING people how to vote"..... really? Are people so ignorant as to have to be directed...?? "bullshit like Trump and Brexit", that is YOUR opinion, to which you are quite entitled, the content of the opinion is neither fact nor fiction. Plus, it seems every time you are challenged you cannot seem to engage properly and explain what many people on here see as childish outbursts, sometime littered with expletives. You also occasionally play the victim. My opinion, for whatever it may be worth to you is, you need to find some reasonable debating skills and learn the correct interpretation of 'critical thinking process' I really hope this helps you, genuinely I do.
A much better answer than mine!
Happens a lot on here, they know what they're doing, but pretend they don't.
The point at hand gets lost sadly. The point being that Brexit/Tory /Trump supporters can form their own opinions without 'bots' and 'party machines' and 'biased media' telling them how to think and vote. It's an insult to suggest they can't.
No point asking if that's now understood without getting a variety of :
I genuinely don't understand
I'm confused
Where did I say that
I find that weird, creepy
I feel under attack, basically you're joining in with the other guy
You're following me around
Repeat to fade "So you don't know why you're offended by my comment about bots and just want a personal dig? | |||
"And all I see are posts about human rights, child poverty (good grief), train drivers struggling on £60k etc...isn't it about time the UK realised there's a hell of a lot more serious stuff on the go? Or are we all so happy in our civilised society that we're actually too soft to handle any aggression? " Shouldn't you be out patroling the gunpowder works? | |||
"War is completely different these days if Russia or China attacked it'll be shutting down our infrastructure and facilities, banking and communication networks sabotage fuel supplies and basically creating chaos. You are correct and they are already deep into their attacks on the social fabric of most countries in the west. It is right under our nose... Very true. Just look where all the bots came from telling people to vote for bullshit like Trump & Brexit. Bots lol Stands for: Brexit Or Trump Supporters? They do exist with their own formed views, you know? Why insult people? You just have a different view on the Internet. Nobody says you're a Bot! Or do they? Are you? it’s just how they are insult after insult what’s guy eh lol Where did I insult the bots and even if I did, why would that upset you? **************************************** "Just look where all the bots came from telling people to vote for bullshit like Trump & Brexit." Analyse the above. WHERE did "all the bots" come from...?? "TELLING people how to vote"..... really? Are people so ignorant as to have to be directed...?? "bullshit like Trump and Brexit", that is YOUR opinion, to which you are quite entitled, the content of the opinion is neither fact nor fiction. Plus, it seems every time you are challenged you cannot seem to engage properly and explain what many people on here see as childish outbursts, sometime littered with expletives. You also occasionally play the victim. My opinion, for whatever it may be worth to you is, you need to find some reasonable debating skills and learn the correct interpretation of 'critical thinking process' I really hope this helps you, genuinely I do.
A much better answer than mine!
Happens a lot on here, they know what they're doing, but pretend they don't.
The point at hand gets lost sadly. The point being that Brexit/Tory /Trump supporters can form their own opinions without 'bots' and 'party machines' and 'biased media' telling them how to think and vote. It's an insult to suggest they can't.
No point asking if that's now understood without getting a variety of :
I genuinely don't understand
I'm confused
Where did I say that
I find that weird, creepy
I feel under attack, basically you're joining in with the other guy
You're following me around
Repeat to fade
So you don't know why you're offended by my comment about bots and just want a personal dig?
"I forgot the old personal dig! I explained why you insulted me and other right of centre or Brexit supporters. To further clarify, you delegitimised and cancelled my own thoughts, beliefs and opinions, formed over many years, and opined that we were all merely programmed by bots, biased news media, and the Tory party machine. That's grossly insulting. | |||
"War is completely different these days if Russia or China attacked it'll be shutting down our infrastructure and facilities, banking and communication networks sabotage fuel supplies and basically creating chaos. You are correct and they are already deep into their attacks on the social fabric of most countries in the west. It is right under our nose... Very true. Just look where all the bots came from telling people to vote for bullshit like Trump & Brexit. Bots lol Stands for: Brexit Or Trump Supporters? They do exist with their own formed views, you know? Why insult people? You just have a different view on the Internet. Nobody says you're a Bot! Or do they? Are you? it’s just how they are insult after insult what’s guy eh lol Where did I insult the bots and even if I did, why would that upset you? **************************************** "Just look where all the bots came from telling people to vote for bullshit like Trump & Brexit." Analyse the above. WHERE did "all the bots" come from...?? "TELLING people how to vote"..... really? Are people so ignorant as to have to be directed...?? "bullshit like Trump and Brexit", that is YOUR opinion, to which you are quite entitled, the content of the opinion is neither fact nor fiction. Plus, it seems every time you are challenged you cannot seem to engage properly and explain what many people on here see as childish outbursts, sometime littered with expletives. You also occasionally play the victim. My opinion, for whatever it may be worth to you is, you need to find some reasonable debating skills and learn the correct interpretation of 'critical thinking process' I really hope this helps you, genuinely I do.
A much better answer than mine!
Happens a lot on here, they know what they're doing, but pretend they don't.
The point at hand gets lost sadly. The point being that Brexit/Tory /Trump supporters can form their own opinions without 'bots' and 'party machines' and 'biased media' telling them how to think and vote. It's an insult to suggest they can't.
No point asking if that's now understood without getting a variety of :
I genuinely don't understand
I'm confused
Where did I say that
I find that weird, creepy
I feel under attack, basically you're joining in with the other guy
You're following me around
Repeat to fade
So you don't know why you're offended by my comment about bots and just want a personal dig?
I forgot the old personal dig!
I explained why you insulted me and other right of centre or Brexit supporters. To further clarify, you delegitimised and cancelled my own thoughts, beliefs and opinions, formed over many years, and opined that we were all merely programmed by bots, biased news media, and the Tory party machine. That's grossly insulting.
"Look, if you self identify as someone who was influenced by a russian bot, that's your business. Not sure why you're getting upset/confused with me. | |||
"War is completely different these days if Russia or China attacked it'll be shutting down our infrastructure and facilities, banking and communication networks sabotage fuel supplies and basically creating chaos. You are correct and they are already deep into their attacks on the social fabric of most countries in the west. It is right under our nose... Very true. Just look where all the bots came from telling people to vote for bullshit like Trump & Brexit. Bots lol Stands for: Brexit Or Trump Supporters? They do exist with their own formed views, you know? Why insult people? You just have a different view on the Internet. Nobody says you're a Bot! Or do they? Are you? it’s just how they are insult after insult what’s guy eh lol Where did I insult the bots and even if I did, why would that upset you? **************************************** "Just look where all the bots came from telling people to vote for bullshit like Trump & Brexit." Analyse the above. WHERE did "all the bots" come from...?? "TELLING people how to vote"..... really? Are people so ignorant as to have to be directed...?? "bullshit like Trump and Brexit", that is YOUR opinion, to which you are quite entitled, the content of the opinion is neither fact nor fiction. Plus, it seems every time you are challenged you cannot seem to engage properly and explain what many people on here see as childish outbursts, sometime littered with expletives. You also occasionally play the victim. My opinion, for whatever it may be worth to you is, you need to find some reasonable debating skills and learn the correct interpretation of 'critical thinking process' I really hope this helps you, genuinely I do.
A much better answer than mine!
Happens a lot on here, they know what they're doing, but pretend they don't.
The point at hand gets lost sadly. The point being that Brexit/Tory /Trump supporters can form their own opinions without 'bots' and 'party machines' and 'biased media' telling them how to think and vote. It's an insult to suggest they can't.
No point asking if that's now understood without getting a variety of :
I genuinely don't understand
I'm confused
Where did I say that
I find that weird, creepy
I feel under attack, basically you're joining in with the other guy
You're following me around
Repeat to fade
So you don't know why you're offended by my comment about bots and just want a personal dig?
I forgot the old personal dig!
I explained why you insulted me and other right of centre or Brexit supporters. To further clarify, you delegitimised and cancelled my own thoughts, beliefs and opinions, formed over many years, and opined that we were all merely programmed by bots, biased news media, and the Tory party machine. That's grossly insulting.
Look, if you self identify as someone who was influenced by a russian bot, that's your business. Not sure why you're getting upset/confused with me."More comedy gold, Russian bot lol | |||
"War is completely different these days if Russia or China attacked it'll be shutting down our infrastructure and facilities, banking and communication networks sabotage fuel supplies and basically creating chaos." I thought that was what Brexit was for?  | |||
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"Good grief... barely a sensible response to an important post. It'll take the Tories 6 years to increase defence spending to 2.5%, allegedly, the Labour party will do it when it's financially viable, yet money to cover compensation for the blood scandal whilst necessary, can be found immediately. Shite governance over the years and only going to continue " An 'important' issue that you decided to use as a stick to have a go at others you feel strongly about but whose inclusion in your op are completely irrelevant .. | |||
"Good grief... barely a sensible response to an important post. It'll take the Tories 6 years to increase defence spending to 2.5%, allegedly, the Labour party will do it when it's financially viable, yet money to cover compensation for the blood scandal whilst necessary, can be found immediately. Shite governance over the years and only going to continue " Are you implying your OP was sensible? | |||
"War is completely different these days if Russia or China attacked it'll be shutting down our infrastructure and facilities, banking and communication networks sabotage fuel supplies and basically creating chaos." That's called a Fire Storm lol I'm pretty sure the Government has already thought of these things and prepared for it. As for a War??? We would have no choice in the matter. If it happens then we will do what ever it takes to defend ourselves. Pretty much like what Israel is doing. Yes Britain has many snowflakes for citizens but there are still many of us willing and able for call up duties. Sadly War is Sh1te but alas if it happens it's all hands on deck. | |||
"With a current stockpile 225 Nuclear warheads (2024) Four Vanguard Nuclear Submarines, each carrying 48 Warheads. Nobody is thinking of invading the UK. Now. If you really think they are, then they are already living in your head rent-free anyway. For you the ivasion has already happened. " The invasion will not be here but will we honour our article 5 commitments when the time comes… and come it surely will. We are now in a world in which certain countries can treat their populations as disposable meat and their populations let them get away with it. That’s a very dangerous tool against Western populations who place a far greater value on lives. We can inflict 10:1 casualties against these enemies and we may still loose. | |||
"Good grief... barely a sensible response to an important post. It'll take the Tories 6 years to increase defence spending to 2.5%, allegedly, the Labour party will do it when it's financially viable, yet money to cover compensation for the blood scandal whilst necessary, can be found immediately. Shite governance over the years and only going to continue Are you implying your OP was sensible?" Aren't you? | |||
"Good grief... barely a sensible response to an important post. It'll take the Tories 6 years to increase defence spending to 2.5%, allegedly, the Labour party will do it when it's financially viable, yet money to cover compensation for the blood scandal whilst necessary, can be found immediately. Shite governance over the years and only going to continue Are you implying your OP was sensible? Aren't you?" Certainly not. I thought it was silly. | |||
"Good grief... barely a sensible response to an important post. It'll take the Tories 6 years to increase defence spending to 2.5%, allegedly, the Labour party will do it when it's financially viable, yet money to cover compensation for the blood scandal whilst necessary, can be found immediately. Shite governance over the years and only going to continue Are you implying your OP was sensible? Aren't you? Certainly not. I thought it was silly." Once again we disagree | |||
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"Guaranteed if if I don’t check the politics section out for a week or two there’s gonna be something posted by someone that seems lazer precision tuned in order to never get them sex ever. This time it’s this fella seemingly cosplaying how Dunblane mass murderer, Michael Ryan would’ve posted had he been around in the internet age. Beggars belief tbh. " ************************************ Just seen this post and being of a somewhat pedantic nature, may I just correct it by saying M. Ryan was the coward responsible for the Hungerford shootings in the late eighties, before turning his weapon on himself rather than face up to his horrible crimes. That almost unmentionable monster, T. Hamilton found it 'necessary' in his own totally evil existence to go into a primary school in Dunblane, Scotland, and shoot mercilessly at terrified and innocent little children, killing 16 and a teacher. Another vile monster who couldn't face what he'd done, he also shot himself. All for absolutely nothing. There exist no words to describe such 'people'. | |||
"Guaranteed if if I don’t check the politics section out for a week or two there’s gonna be something posted by someone that seems lazer precision tuned in order to never get them sex ever. This time it’s this fella seemingly cosplaying how Dunblane mass murderer, Michael Ryan would’ve posted had he been around in the internet age. Beggars belief tbh. ************************************ Just seen this post and being of a somewhat pedantic nature, may I just correct it by saying M. Ryan was the coward responsible for the Hungerford shootings in the late eighties, before turning his weapon on himself rather than face up to his horrible crimes. That almost unmentionable monster, T. Hamilton found it 'necessary' in his own totally evil existence to go into a primary school in Dunblane, Scotland, and shoot mercilessly at terrified and innocent little children, killing 16 and a teacher. Another vile monster who couldn't face what he'd done, he also shot himself. All for absolutely nothing. There exist no words to describe such 'people'. " | |||
"War is completely different these days if Russia or China attacked it'll be shutting down our infrastructure and facilities, banking and communication networks sabotage fuel supplies and basically creating chaos. You are correct and they are already deep into their attacks on the social fabric of most countries in the west. It is right under our nose..." Completely correct. It's ongoing and constant, using deniable and masked assets using IP Spoofing and the like. If causing harm to a country's national infrastructure was an Act of War, we'd have been at War with some nation or other 15+ years ago. . And we're the same right back with our own cyber forces. . A lot of the intrusion is just "probing" for weakness and recording that for a future attack. . The worst probing is when it goes unnoticed, and backdoors are implemented, of which I am sure there are many. | |||
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" We are at war, it just hasnt progressed into the old sphere of Land, Sea, Air yet. " Indeed we are. . In the olden days, you rolled your tanks over another nations borders and it was pretty obvious was was going on. . Now, you can have a warehouse of hackers (in another country), masking their activities and throwing off the scent, attacking a target's infrastructure instead. . Loss of national services, complete chaos, panic and disorder. It's a very effective tactic, and miles cheaper than armoured divisions and multi-million pound armaments and hardware. With the added benefit that it can go "under" the radar in many cases. | |||
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"And previous to that, it was called the Cold War. But I think the op is suggesting a war with guns, bullets and bombs. " Countries now try to avoid pulling the trigger in a conflict, to minimise the pushback from the world opinion, which is why some Chinese and Indian units along their border are now being taught unarmed combat, and how to use swords and clubs! There are regular battles between small units, and they just wade into each other swinging improvised weapons, many have been killed or wounded on both sides.  | |||
"And previous to that, it was called the Cold War. But I think the op is suggesting a war with guns, bullets and bombs. Countries now try to avoid pulling the trigger in a conflict, to minimise the pushback from the world opinion, which is why some Chinese and Indian units along their border are now being taught unarmed combat, and how to use swords and clubs! There are regular battles between small units, and they just wade into each other swinging improvised weapons, many have been killed or wounded on both sides. "That's quite...macabre in a deeply fucked up psychological way, isn't it ? . Private : "Major, the enemy is over there. Shall we get in our tanks and blow them to smithereens. You can send an assault team to provide covering fire." . Major : "I don't think that's quite necessary Private. It'll create a hell of a fuss up the line. All the way up to the Minister for War. Then it'll drag us in to an open conflict, war gets declared between us and them, and things all turn a bit nasty." . Private : "But Major. We are itching for a ruck. I've not fired this gun in anger yet. The blood is up. I'm gagging for a right barney. C'mon Major, give the word!" . Major : "As it so happens, I've been in parlay with their opposing Commander. His men are also spoiling for a fight, but he is under orders to keep it all on the down low. So we have come up with a plan." . Private : "They are surrendering, Major ? That's great news isn't it ?" . Major : "Not quite. We've decided to have a little "competition". A physical test of stamina and strength. His boys versus our boys. Sorry, I mean men. . Private : "Like a Tug-Of-War, Sir ?" . Major : "Not quite. The Quartermaster is going to issue you with rocks and clubs" . Private : "That's very thoughtful, Major. Our ammo is running a bit low. A bit of extra ordnance is always welcome." . Major : "In turn you will hand in your gun, grenades, ammo, knives, etc. All the really nasty stuff, you know ? Oh, tanks and choppers as well, please." . Private: "I beg your pardon, Sir. That's insane. What are we supposed to do ? Beat them to death with clubs and rocks?" . Major : "That's exactly what you are going to do, Private. Bish, Bash, Bosh. Well, mostly Bash, hopefully. Go bash their ugly heads in. Then bash them some more. Keep on bashing until they are thoroughly bashed. Bash them until you can bash no more. And they stop moving." . Private : "Message received and understood, Sir. Operation "Clobbering Time!" underway. Oh Sir, just one question ? Can we keep our entrenching tools ? They make great bashing weapons." . Major : "Of course, Private. What do you think this Army is ? Insane ? Now get clobbering, there's a good man". | |||
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