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I've not yet read the report but the findings seemed intuitive.
While economy has grown, productivity not increased.
Pressure on house prices because the housing target was based on much lower.
We've allowed a lot of low value visas in.
But rely a lot for care and junior doctors. And deliveroo 
I've not yet seen what they have recommended but as ever we need to balance the money side with the softer side (eg health).
And accept that we may have to cook our own dinner or pay a lot more for the privalage of getting it delivered. (Not a bad thing, but every time you get a delivery remember you are contributing to the high immigration model). |
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Given the ageing population and unfilled vacancies, politicians thought that getting immigrants to take the jobs will boost the economy. But the housing crisis alone takes away most of the benefits you get from working immigrants. Not to mention that many of them come for low paying care jobs along with many dependents which on balance takes away any net benefit.
Ageing population is the root cause of all problems in UK and Europe. The only way to get around this is to automate jobs as much as possible. Unfortunately automation isn't catching up as fast as needed. |
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A report written by two Tory MPs for a think tank chaired by a Tory peer, and whose deputy chair is the chair of the 1922 committee, wrote a report that says immigration is bad?
I for one am stunned! |
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"A report written by two Tory MPs for a think tank chaired by a Tory peer, and whose deputy chair is the chair of the 1922 committee, wrote a report that says immigration is bad?
I for one am stunned!"
right so you don’t believe the report then and you think mass immigration is good for the economy and makes us all richer ? |
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"A report written by two Tory MPs for a think tank chaired by a Tory peer, and whose deputy chair is the chair of the 1922 committee, wrote a report that says immigration is bad?
I for one am stunned! right so you don’t believe the report then and you think mass immigration is good for the economy and makes us all richer ?"
We have over 900,000 job vacancies, mass migration is essential for the economy. |
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"A report written by two Tory MPs for a think tank chaired by a Tory peer, and whose deputy chair is the chair of the 1922 committee, wrote a report that says immigration is bad?
I for one am stunned! right so you don’t believe the report then and you think mass immigration is good for the economy and makes us all richer ?
We have over 900,000 job vacancies, mass migration is essential for the economy."
so you don’t agree with the report about the cost to the country for housing schooling and infrastructure then ?have you read the report or wached the interview I’m guessing not |
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"A report written by two Tory MPs for a think tank chaired by a Tory peer, and whose deputy chair is the chair of the 1922 committee, wrote a report that says immigration is bad?
I for one am stunned! right so you don’t believe the report then and you think mass immigration is good for the economy and makes us all richer ?
We have over 900,000 job vacancies, mass migration is essential for the economy.so you don’t agree with the report about the cost to the country for housing schooling and infrastructure then ?have you read the report or wached the interview I’m guessing not "
The government keeps telling us that we need to grow the economy so we can provide more money for public services, we can’t grow the economy when there are 900,000 vacancies. We can’t run the NHS without immigrants, ditto adult social care.
There are people who don’t want to acknowledge it but without more immigrants the country will fall apart. |
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"A report written by two Tory MPs for a think tank chaired by a Tory peer, and whose deputy chair is the chair of the 1922 committee, wrote a report that says immigration is bad?
I for one am stunned! right so you don’t believe the report then and you think mass immigration is good for the economy and makes us all richer ?
We have over 900,000 job vacancies, mass migration is essential for the economy.so you don’t agree with the report about the cost to the country for housing schooling and infrastructure then ?have you read the report or wached the interview I’m guessing not
The government keeps telling us that we need to grow the economy so we can provide more money for public services, we can’t grow the economy when there are 900,000 vacancies. We can’t run the NHS without immigrants, ditto adult social care.
There are people who don’t want to acknowledge it but without more immigrants the country will fall apart."
Only 13% of migrants were working in the Health & Social care industry in 2022.
The problem with using the emotional 'NHS and social care 'argument' is that ot doesn't actually paint a picture.
Of course we need migrants, but, what we really need is an actual 'skilled labour list' which changes according to our vacancies. |
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"A report written by two Tory MPs for a think tank chaired by a Tory peer, and whose deputy chair is the chair of the 1922 committee, wrote a report that says immigration is bad?
I for one am stunned! right so you don’t believe the report then and you think mass immigration is good for the economy and makes us all richer ?
We have over 900,000 job vacancies, mass migration is essential for the economy.so you don’t agree with the report about the cost to the country for housing schooling and infrastructure then ?have you read the report or wached the interview I’m guessing not
The government keeps telling us that we need to grow the economy so we can provide more money for public services, we can’t grow the economy when there are 900,000 vacancies. We can’t run the NHS without immigrants, ditto adult social care.
There are people who don’t want to acknowledge it but without more immigrants the country will fall apart.
Only 13% of migrants were working in the Health & Social care industry in 2022.
The problem with using the emotional 'NHS and social care 'argument' is that ot doesn't actually paint a picture.
Of course we need migrants, but, what we really need is an actual 'skilled labour list' which changes according to our vacancies. "
Which simply means that immigrants aren’t just needed in health and social care. |
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"A report written by two Tory MPs for a think tank chaired by a Tory peer, and whose deputy chair is the chair of the 1922 committee, wrote a report that says immigration is bad?
I for one am stunned! right so you don’t believe the report then and you think mass immigration is good for the economy and makes us all richer ?
We have over 900,000 job vacancies, mass migration is essential for the economy.so you don’t agree with the report about the cost to the country for housing schooling and infrastructure then ?have you read the report or wached the interview I’m guessing not
The government keeps telling us that we need to grow the economy so we can provide more money for public services, we can’t grow the economy when there are 900,000 vacancies. We can’t run the NHS without immigrants, ditto adult social care.
There are people who don’t want to acknowledge it but without more immigrants the country will fall apart.
Only 13% of migrants were working in the Health & Social care industry in 2022.
The problem with using the emotional 'NHS and social care 'argument' is that ot doesn't actually paint a picture.
Of course we need migrants, but, what we really need is an actual 'skilled labour list' which changes according to our vacancies.
Which simply means that immigrants aren’t just needed in health and social care."
Not quite, it could mean many things. They definitely aren't 'needed' in retail, hospitality or manufacturing.
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"A report written by two Tory MPs for a think tank chaired by a Tory peer, and whose deputy chair is the chair of the 1922 committee, wrote a report that says immigration is bad?
I for one am stunned! right so you don’t believe the report then and you think mass immigration is good for the economy and makes us all richer ?
We have over 900,000 job vacancies, mass migration is essential for the economy.so you don’t agree with the report about the cost to the country for housing schooling and infrastructure then ?have you read the report or wached the interview I’m guessing not
The government keeps telling us that we need to grow the economy so we can provide more money for public services, we can’t grow the economy when there are 900,000 vacancies. We can’t run the NHS without immigrants, ditto adult social care.
There are people who don’t want to acknowledge it but without more immigrants the country will fall apart."
you do know theses migrants are useing the nhs and useing social care and with more migrants as you suggest the country will be even more poorer as in more schools houses and we will need more teachers police and such so you didn’t wach the interview then there’s a shock they simply don’t put in what they take out fact |
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"A report written by two Tory MPs for a think tank chaired by a Tory peer, and whose deputy chair is the chair of the 1922 committee, wrote a report that says immigration is bad?
I for one am stunned! right so you don’t believe the report then and you think mass immigration is good for the economy and makes us all richer ?
We have over 900,000 job vacancies, mass migration is essential for the economy.so you don’t agree with the report about the cost to the country for housing schooling and infrastructure then ?have you read the report or wached the interview I’m guessing not
The government keeps telling us that we need to grow the economy so we can provide more money for public services, we can’t grow the economy when there are 900,000 vacancies. We can’t run the NHS without immigrants, ditto adult social care.
There are people who don’t want to acknowledge it but without more immigrants the country will fall apart.
Only 13% of migrants were working in the Health & Social care industry in 2022.
The problem with using the emotional 'NHS and social care 'argument' is that ot doesn't actually paint a picture.
Of course we need migrants, but, what we really need is an actual 'skilled labour list' which changes according to our vacancies.
Which simply means that immigrants aren’t just needed in health and social care.
Not quite, it could mean many things. They definitely aren't 'needed' in retail, hospitality or manufacturing.
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only reason they are used in social care is it’s cheap labour keeps wages down |
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"A report written by two Tory MPs for a think tank chaired by a Tory peer, and whose deputy chair is the chair of the 1922 committee, wrote a report that says immigration is bad?
I for one am stunned! right so you don’t believe the report then and you think mass immigration is good for the economy and makes us all richer ?
We have over 900,000 job vacancies, mass migration is essential for the economy.so you don’t agree with the report about the cost to the country for housing schooling and infrastructure then ?have you read the report or wached the interview I’m guessing not
The government keeps telling us that we need to grow the economy so we can provide more money for public services, we can’t grow the economy when there are 900,000 vacancies. We can’t run the NHS without immigrants, ditto adult social care.
There are people who don’t want to acknowledge it but without more immigrants the country will fall apart.
Only 13% of migrants were working in the Health & Social care industry in 2022.
The problem with using the emotional 'NHS and social care 'argument' is that ot doesn't actually paint a picture.
Of course we need migrants, but, what we really need is an actual 'skilled labour list' which changes according to our vacancies. "
19% immigrants work in NHS (June 2023) |
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"A report written by two Tory MPs for a think tank chaired by a Tory peer, and whose deputy chair is the chair of the 1922 committee, wrote a report that says immigration is bad?
I for one am stunned! right so you don’t believe the report then and you think mass immigration is good for the economy and makes us all richer ?
We have over 900,000 job vacancies, mass migration is essential for the economy.so you don’t agree with the report about the cost to the country for housing schooling and infrastructure then ?have you read the report or wached the interview I’m guessing not
The government keeps telling us that we need to grow the economy so we can provide more money for public services, we can’t grow the economy when there are 900,000 vacancies. We can’t run the NHS without immigrants, ditto adult social care.
There are people who don’t want to acknowledge it but without more immigrants the country will fall apart.
Only 13% of migrants were working in the Health & Social care industry in 2022.
The problem with using the emotional 'NHS and social care 'argument' is that ot doesn't actually paint a picture.
Of course we need migrants, but, what we really need is an actual 'skilled labour list' which changes according to our vacancies.
19% immigrants work in NHS (June 2023)"
Approx 100,000 health and social care "skilled" route to visas were granted in 22/23, 58% carers, 27% nurses, 10% drs. |
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"A report written by two Tory MPs for a think tank chaired by a Tory peer, and whose deputy chair is the chair of the 1922 committee, wrote a report that says immigration is bad?
I for one am stunned! right so you don’t believe the report then and you think mass immigration is good for the economy and makes us all richer ?
We have over 900,000 job vacancies, mass migration is essential for the economy."
I’d suggest confirmation bias has led you to the wrong conclusion. Would you be so sceptical if it had come from a left-leaning think tank?
We have a problem in our economic model comprised of high structural costs and taxation. Housing costs far, far too much of income as supply is constrained by the planning system (not even building on green belt, getting consent to convert buildings is difficult, building on brown belt hard, etending your property to add rooms/capacity tough etc etc) so costs are extremely high.
We are enduring the highest tax burden in generations. More of the money you earn and you have a right to possess is being taken off you at source, often passively (when do you see prices before VAT in shops, when do you get a tax demand other than council tax that makes you think hang on I am paying how much? And for what?) which constrains your disposable income and created drag on growth as you can’t spend or save or invest the capital you earn.
The key issue is this: too many people are being paid by the state to do nothing, and too many of them are too willing to be paid to do nothing and too many of the too few of us paying for them are sick of it.
If we want to deal with the immigration crisis then we need structural reform in the economy”
Unlock the potential in the housing market by relaxing planning laws to increase supply and make housing cheaper - those who own their own homes may find this unpalatable as it will reduce house prices and open up the market, but it is absolutely necessary but it will also open up other oportunities to home owners;
Reduce the tax burden on individuals to release their capital and incentivise savings and investments (we are conditioned to soend what little we have because we are taxed so heavily unlike other countries such as the US where you get significant tax breaks for savings and investments that can be accessed either in retirement or in lieu of benefits). We need to reduce the tax burdens on companies that invest their capital and reduce the taxes on dividends that are paid into your occupational pensions. Its a proven fact that lowering taxes increases revenue to the public purse, it’s just a hard sell.
Reduce stete benefit entitlement. Shocker - centre left countries across Europe have much lower social net payments because entitlements are less and/or are linked to the amount you pay in to the system.
If the state lowers taxes so you keep more of what you earn, incentivises saving, acts to reduce housing costs and then gradually reduces access to out of work benefits for people able to work then vacancies start to get filled. You don’t need to rely on cheap immigrant labour, instead you target your visaas on the technical areas you need to fill.
The next thing I’d do is merge the Border Force with various agencies like the NCA and other small national police forces (Civil Nuclear Constabulary, Transport POlice etc) and form a National Police Force seperate from the county constabularies and take them out of the hands of the useless PCCs and answerable to the Home Sec and robustly police our borders. If the issue is in part organisaed crime people trafficking then it makes sense to jnoin the two agencies charged with investigating and tackling it into a single command structure. I would also get rid of the loop-hole student and other visas, get out of the ECHR (or just do what France does and ignore it) and anyone landing here ensure they get processed, determied and shipped out within 72 hours of arrival and do away with endless tribunals, hearings, and processes they can get lost in for years as anyone that has made it to Europe with the intention of gettiing to the UK has done so through one or more safe countries so they are not fleeing for their lives they are being drawn here by the belief there’s something in it for them.
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The Bank of England's chief economist tells us that high levels of immigration are fuelling the UK's housing crisis. But let's not do anything. After all, "Hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way" |
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"The Bank of England's chief economist tells us that high levels of immigration are fuelling the UK's housing crisis. But let's not do anything. After all, "Hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way" "
That and a bit of stoic denial 
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"A report written by two Tory MPs for a think tank chaired by a Tory peer, and whose deputy chair is the chair of the 1922 committee, wrote a report that says immigration is bad?
I for one am stunned! right so you don’t believe the report then and you think mass immigration is good for the economy and makes us all richer ?
We have over 900,000 job vacancies, mass migration is essential for the economy.so you don’t agree with the report about the cost to the country for housing schooling and infrastructure then ?have you read the report or wached the interview I’m guessing not
The government keeps telling us that we need to grow the economy so we can provide more money for public services, we can’t grow the economy when there are 900,000 vacancies. We can’t run the NHS without immigrants, ditto adult social care.
There are people who don’t want to acknowledge it but without more immigrants the country will fall apart.
Only 13% of migrants were working in the Health & Social care industry in 2022.
The problem with using the emotional 'NHS and social care 'argument' is that ot doesn't actually paint a picture.
Of course we need migrants, but, what we really need is an actual 'skilled labour list' which changes according to our vacancies.
19% immigrants work in NHS (June 2023)
Approx 100,000 health and social care "skilled" route to visas were granted in 22/23, 58% carers, 27% nurses, 10% drs."
social care isn’t skilled tho anyone can do it yes it should be classed as skilled given what they have to do it should be a high payed job but unfortunately it’s not it’s minimum wage a lot of the migrants that do these jobs tho don’t really care it’s just a rout into the U.K. if you knew anything about social care you would know this it was promised to care workers that there pay would be looked at and increased but like most promises it never happened nurses on the other hand are treated a hell of a lot better |
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"A report written by two Tory MPs for a think tank chaired by a Tory peer, and whose deputy chair is the chair of the 1922 committee, wrote a report that says immigration is bad?
I for one am stunned! right so you don’t believe the report then and you think mass immigration is good for the economy and makes us all richer ?
We have over 900,000 job vacancies, mass migration is essential for the economy.so you don’t agree with the report about the cost to the country for housing schooling and infrastructure then ?have you read the report or wached the interview I’m guessing not
The government keeps telling us that we need to grow the economy so we can provide more money for public services, we can’t grow the economy when there are 900,000 vacancies. We can’t run the NHS without immigrants, ditto adult social care.
There are people who don’t want to acknowledge it but without more immigrants the country will fall apart.
Only 13% of migrants were working in the Health & Social care industry in 2022.
The problem with using the emotional 'NHS and social care 'argument' is that ot doesn't actually paint a picture.
Of course we need migrants, but, what we really need is an actual 'skilled labour list' which changes according to our vacancies.
19% immigrants work in NHS (June 2023)
Approx 100,000 health and social care "skilled" route to visas were granted in 22/23, 58% carers, 27% nurses, 10% drs.social care isn’t skilled tho anyone can do it yes it should be classed as skilled given what they have to do it should be a high payed job but unfortunately it’s not it’s minimum wage a lot of the migrants that do these jobs tho don’t really care it’s just a rout into the U.K. if you knew anything about social care you would know this it was promised to care workers that there pay would be looked at and increased but like most promises it never happened nurses on the other hand are treated a hell of a lot better "
Social care carers are better paid than agency carers. All should be trained, received training. Support workers in the NHS tend to be better paid than care agency staff. However those on band 2 do not receive much more than minimum wage now that has increased.
Re nurses, the private sector pay a good deal more than the NHS. |
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"A report written by two Tory MPs for a think tank chaired by a Tory peer, and whose deputy chair is the chair of the 1922 committee, wrote a report that says immigration is bad?
I for one am stunned! right so you don’t believe the report then and you think mass immigration is good for the economy and makes us all richer ?
We have over 900,000 job vacancies, mass migration is essential for the economy.so you don’t agree with the report about the cost to the country for housing schooling and infrastructure then ?have you read the report or wached the interview I’m guessing not
The government keeps telling us that we need to grow the economy so we can provide more money for public services, we can’t grow the economy when there are 900,000 vacancies. We can’t run the NHS without immigrants, ditto adult social care.
There are people who don’t want to acknowledge it but without more immigrants the country will fall apart.
Only 13% of migrants were working in the Health & Social care industry in 2022.
The problem with using the emotional 'NHS and social care 'argument' is that ot doesn't actually paint a picture.
Of course we need migrants, but, what we really need is an actual 'skilled labour list' which changes according to our vacancies.
19% immigrants work in NHS (June 2023)
Approx 100,000 health and social care "skilled" route to visas were granted in 22/23, 58% carers, 27% nurses, 10% drs.social care isn’t skilled tho anyone can do it yes it should be classed as skilled given what they have to do it should be a high payed job but unfortunately it’s not it’s minimum wage a lot of the migrants that do these jobs tho don’t really care it’s just a rout into the U.K. if you knew anything about social care you would know this it was promised to care workers that there pay would be looked at and increased but like most promises it never happened nurses on the other hand are treated a hell of a lot better
Social care carers are better paid than agency carers. All should be trained, received training. Support workers in the NHS tend to be better paid than care agency staff. However those on band 2 do not receive much more than minimum wage now that has increased.
Re nurses, the private sector pay a good deal more than the NHS."
so like I said then so migrant workers going into care work are not skilled it’s the easiest rout into the U.K. |
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"A report written by two Tory MPs for a think tank chaired by a Tory peer, and whose deputy chair is the chair of the 1922 committee, wrote a report that says immigration is bad?
I for one am stunned! right so you don’t believe the report then and you think mass immigration is good for the economy and makes us all richer ?
We have over 900,000 job vacancies, mass migration is essential for the economy.so you don’t agree with the report about the cost to the country for housing schooling and infrastructure then ?have you read the report or wached the interview I’m guessing not
The government keeps telling us that we need to grow the economy so we can provide more money for public services, we can’t grow the economy when there are 900,000 vacancies. We can’t run the NHS without immigrants, ditto adult social care.
There are people who don’t want to acknowledge it but without more immigrants the country will fall apart.
Only 13% of migrants were working in the Health & Social care industry in 2022.
The problem with using the emotional 'NHS and social care 'argument' is that ot doesn't actually paint a picture.
Of course we need migrants, but, what we really need is an actual 'skilled labour list' which changes according to our vacancies.
19% immigrants work in NHS (June 2023)
Approx 100,000 health and social care "skilled" route to visas were granted in 22/23, 58% carers, 27% nurses, 10% drs.social care isn’t skilled tho anyone can do it yes it should be classed as skilled given what they have to do it should be a high payed job but unfortunately it’s not it’s minimum wage a lot of the migrants that do these jobs tho don’t really care it’s just a rout into the U.K. if you knew anything about social care you would know this it was promised to care workers that there pay would be looked at and increased but like most promises it never happened nurses on the other hand are treated a hell of a lot better
Social care carers are better paid than agency carers. All should be trained, received training. Support workers in the NHS tend to be better paid than care agency staff. However those on band 2 do not receive much more than minimum wage now that has increased.
Re nurses, the private sector pay a good deal more than the NHS.so like I said then so migrant workers going into care work are not skilled it’s the easiest rout into the U.K. "
You need skills and qualifications to work as a care worker. |
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"A report written by two Tory MPs for a think tank chaired by a Tory peer, and whose deputy chair is the chair of the 1922 committee, wrote a report that says immigration is bad?
I for one am stunned! right so you don’t believe the report then and you think mass immigration is good for the economy and makes us all richer ?
We have over 900,000 job vacancies, mass migration is essential for the economy.so you don’t agree with the report about the cost to the country for housing schooling and infrastructure then ?have you read the report or wached the interview I’m guessing not
The government keeps telling us that we need to grow the economy so we can provide more money for public services, we can’t grow the economy when there are 900,000 vacancies. We can’t run the NHS without immigrants, ditto adult social care.
There are people who don’t want to acknowledge it but without more immigrants the country will fall apart.
Only 13% of migrants were working in the Health & Social care industry in 2022.
The problem with using the emotional 'NHS and social care 'argument' is that ot doesn't actually paint a picture.
Of course we need migrants, but, what we really need is an actual 'skilled labour list' which changes according to our vacancies.
19% immigrants work in NHS (June 2023)
Approx 100,000 health and social care "skilled" route to visas were granted in 22/23, 58% carers, 27% nurses, 10% drs.social care isn’t skilled tho anyone can do it yes it should be classed as skilled given what they have to do it should be a high payed job but unfortunately it’s not it’s minimum wage a lot of the migrants that do these jobs tho don’t really care it’s just a rout into the U.K. if you knew anything about social care you would know this it was promised to care workers that there pay would be looked at and increased but like most promises it never happened nurses on the other hand are treated a hell of a lot better
Social care carers are better paid than agency carers. All should be trained, received training. Support workers in the NHS tend to be better paid than care agency staff. However those on band 2 do not receive much more than minimum wage now that has increased.
Re nurses, the private sector pay a good deal more than the NHS.so like I said then so migrant workers going into care work are not skilled it’s the easiest rout into the U.K. "
I would hope they have already received (some) training. |
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"A report written by two Tory MPs for a think tank chaired by a Tory peer, and whose deputy chair is the chair of the 1922 committee, wrote a report that says immigration is bad?
I for one am stunned! right so you don’t believe the report then and you think mass immigration is good for the economy and makes us all richer ?
We have over 900,000 job vacancies, mass migration is essential for the economy.so you don’t agree with the report about the cost to the country for housing schooling and infrastructure then ?have you read the report or wached the interview I’m guessing not
The government keeps telling us that we need to grow the economy so we can provide more money for public services, we can’t grow the economy when there are 900,000 vacancies. We can’t run the NHS without immigrants, ditto adult social care.
There are people who don’t want to acknowledge it but without more immigrants the country will fall apart.
Only 13% of migrants were working in the Health & Social care industry in 2022.
The problem with using the emotional 'NHS and social care 'argument' is that ot doesn't actually paint a picture.
Of course we need migrants, but, what we really need is an actual 'skilled labour list' which changes according to our vacancies.
19% immigrants work in NHS (June 2023)
Approx 100,000 health and social care "skilled" route to visas were granted in 22/23, 58% carers, 27% nurses, 10% drs.social care isn’t skilled tho anyone can do it yes it should be classed as skilled given what they have to do it should be a high payed job but unfortunately it’s not it’s minimum wage a lot of the migrants that do these jobs tho don’t really care it’s just a rout into the U.K. if you knew anything about social care you would know this it was promised to care workers that there pay would be looked at and increased but like most promises it never happened nurses on the other hand are treated a hell of a lot better
Social care carers are better paid than agency carers. All should be trained, received training. Support workers in the NHS tend to be better paid than care agency staff. However those on band 2 do not receive much more than minimum wage now that has increased.
Re nurses, the private sector pay a good deal more than the NHS.so like I said then so migrant workers going into care work are not skilled it’s the easiest rout into the U.K.
You need skills and qualifications to work as a care worker. "
In this country you can get a carer's job without skills and qualifications. Then take on vocational qualifications. I would hope (again) those who got visas to work as carers in this country, have received at least some training. |
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"A report written by two Tory MPs for a think tank chaired by a Tory peer, and whose deputy chair is the chair of the 1922 committee, wrote a report that says immigration is bad?
I for one am stunned! right so you don’t believe the report then and you think mass immigration is good for the economy and makes us all richer ?
We have over 900,000 job vacancies, mass migration is essential for the economy.so you don’t agree with the report about the cost to the country for housing schooling and infrastructure then ?have you read the report or wached the interview I’m guessing not
The government keeps telling us that we need to grow the economy so we can provide more money for public services, we can’t grow the economy when there are 900,000 vacancies. We can’t run the NHS without immigrants, ditto adult social care.
There are people who don’t want to acknowledge it but without more immigrants the country will fall apart.
Only 13% of migrants were working in the Health & Social care industry in 2022.
The problem with using the emotional 'NHS and social care 'argument' is that ot doesn't actually paint a picture.
Of course we need migrants, but, what we really need is an actual 'skilled labour list' which changes according to our vacancies.
19% immigrants work in NHS (June 2023)
Approx 100,000 health and social care "skilled" route to visas were granted in 22/23, 58% carers, 27% nurses, 10% drs.social care isn’t skilled tho anyone can do it yes it should be classed as skilled given what they have to do it should be a high payed job but unfortunately it’s not it’s minimum wage a lot of the migrants that do these jobs tho don’t really care it’s just a rout into the U.K. if you knew anything about social care you would know this it was promised to care workers that there pay would be looked at and increased but like most promises it never happened nurses on the other hand are treated a hell of a lot better
Social care carers are better paid than agency carers. All should be trained, received training. Support workers in the NHS tend to be better paid than care agency staff. However those on band 2 do not receive much more than minimum wage now that has increased.
Re nurses, the private sector pay a good deal more than the NHS.so like I said then so migrant workers going into care work are not skilled it’s the easiest rout into the U.K.
You need skills and qualifications to work as a care worker.
In this country you can get a carer's job without skills and qualifications. Then take on vocational qualifications. I would hope (again) those who got visas to work as carers in this country, have received at least some training."
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"A report written by two Tory MPs for a think tank chaired by a Tory peer, and whose deputy chair is the chair of the 1922 committee, wrote a report that says immigration is bad?
I for one am stunned! right so you don’t believe the report then and you think mass immigration is good for the economy and makes us all richer ?
We have over 900,000 job vacancies, mass migration is essential for the economy.so you don’t agree with the report about the cost to the country for housing schooling and infrastructure then ?have you read the report or wached the interview I’m guessing not
The government keeps telling us that we need to grow the economy so we can provide more money for public services, we can’t grow the economy when there are 900,000 vacancies. We can’t run the NHS without immigrants, ditto adult social care.
There are people who don’t want to acknowledge it but without more immigrants the country will fall apart.you do know theses migrants are useing the nhs and useing social care and with more migrants as you suggest the country will be even more poorer as in more schools houses and we will need more teachers police and such so you didn’t wach the interview then there’s a shock they simply don’t put in what they take out fact "
Immigrants are far less likely to use the NHS, adult social care, or live in social housing, than British people. |
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"A report written by two Tory MPs for a think tank chaired by a Tory peer, and whose deputy chair is the chair of the 1922 committee, wrote a report that says immigration is bad?
I for one am stunned! right so you don’t believe the report then and you think mass immigration is good for the economy and makes us all richer ?
We have over 900,000 job vacancies, mass migration is essential for the economy.so you don’t agree with the report about the cost to the country for housing schooling and infrastructure then ?have you read the report or wached the interview I’m guessing not
The government keeps telling us that we need to grow the economy so we can provide more money for public services, we can’t grow the economy when there are 900,000 vacancies. We can’t run the NHS without immigrants, ditto adult social care.
There are people who don’t want to acknowledge it but without more immigrants the country will fall apart.you do know theses migrants are useing the nhs and useing social care and with more migrants as you suggest the country will be even more poorer as in more schools houses and we will need more teachers police and such so you didn’t wach the interview then there’s a shock they simply don’t put in what they take out fact
Immigrants are far less likely to use the NHS, adult social care, or live in social housing, than British people."
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"A report written by two Tory MPs for a think tank chaired by a Tory peer, and whose deputy chair is the chair of the 1922 committee, wrote a report that says immigration is bad?
I for one am stunned! right so you don’t believe the report then and you think mass immigration is good for the economy and makes us all richer ?
We have over 900,000 job vacancies, mass migration is essential for the economy.so you don’t agree with the report about the cost to the country for housing schooling and infrastructure then ?have you read the report or wached the interview I’m guessing not
The government keeps telling us that we need to grow the economy so we can provide more money for public services, we can’t grow the economy when there are 900,000 vacancies. We can’t run the NHS without immigrants, ditto adult social care.
There are people who don’t want to acknowledge it but without more immigrants the country will fall apart.
Only 13% of migrants were working in the Health & Social care industry in 2022.
The problem with using the emotional 'NHS and social care 'argument' is that ot doesn't actually paint a picture.
Of course we need migrants, but, what we really need is an actual 'skilled labour list' which changes according to our vacancies.
19% immigrants work in NHS (June 2023)
Approx 100,000 health and social care "skilled" route to visas were granted in 22/23, 58% carers, 27% nurses, 10% drs.social care isn’t skilled tho anyone can do it yes it should be classed as skilled given what they have to do it should be a high payed job but unfortunately it’s not it’s minimum wage a lot of the migrants that do these jobs tho don’t really care it’s just a rout into the U.K. if you knew anything about social care you would know this it was promised to care workers that there pay would be looked at and increased but like most promises it never happened nurses on the other hand are treated a hell of a lot better
Social care carers are better paid than agency carers. All should be trained, received training. Support workers in the NHS tend to be better paid than care agency staff. However those on band 2 do not receive much more than minimum wage now that has increased.
Re nurses, the private sector pay a good deal more than the NHS.so like I said then so migrant workers going into care work are not skilled it’s the easiest rout into the U.K.
You need skills and qualifications to work as a care worker.
In this country you can get a carer's job without skills and qualifications. Then take on vocational qualifications. I would hope (again) those who got visas to work as carers in this country, have received at least some training.we all would hope and you also know that most the training is online rubbish "
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"A report written by two Tory MPs for a think tank chaired by a Tory peer, and whose deputy chair is the chair of the 1922 committee, wrote a report that says immigration is bad?
I for one am stunned! right so you don’t believe the report then and you think mass immigration is good for the economy and makes us all richer ?
We have over 900,000 job vacancies, mass migration is essential for the economy.so you don’t agree with the report about the cost to the country for housing schooling and infrastructure then ?have you read the report or wached the interview I’m guessing not
The government keeps telling us that we need to grow the economy so we can provide more money for public services, we can’t grow the economy when there are 900,000 vacancies. We can’t run the NHS without immigrants, ditto adult social care.
There are people who don’t want to acknowledge it but without more immigrants the country will fall apart.
Only 13% of migrants were working in the Health & Social care industry in 2022.
The problem with using the emotional 'NHS and social care 'argument' is that ot doesn't actually paint a picture.
Of course we need migrants, but, what we really need is an actual 'skilled labour list' which changes according to our vacancies.
19% immigrants work in NHS (June 2023)
Approx 100,000 health and social care "skilled" route to visas were granted in 22/23, 58% carers, 27% nurses, 10% drs.social care isn’t skilled tho anyone can do it yes it should be classed as skilled given what they have to do it should be a high payed job but unfortunately it’s not it’s minimum wage a lot of the migrants that do these jobs tho don’t really care it’s just a rout into the U.K. if you knew anything about social care you would know this it was promised to care workers that there pay would be looked at and increased but like most promises it never happened nurses on the other hand are treated a hell of a lot better
Social care carers are better paid than agency carers. All should be trained, received training. Support workers in the NHS tend to be better paid than care agency staff. However those on band 2 do not receive much more than minimum wage now that has increased.
Re nurses, the private sector pay a good deal more than the NHS.so like I said then so migrant workers going into care work are not skilled it’s the easiest rout into the U.K.
You need skills and qualifications to work as a care worker. "
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"A report written by two Tory MPs for a think tank chaired by a Tory peer, and whose deputy chair is the chair of the 1922 committee, wrote a report that says immigration is bad?
I for one am stunned! right so you don’t believe the report then and you think mass immigration is good for the economy and makes us all richer ?
We have over 900,000 job vacancies, mass migration is essential for the economy.so you don’t agree with the report about the cost to the country for housing schooling and infrastructure then ?have you read the report or wached the interview I’m guessing not
The government keeps telling us that we need to grow the economy so we can provide more money for public services, we can’t grow the economy when there are 900,000 vacancies. We can’t run the NHS without immigrants, ditto adult social care.
There are people who don’t want to acknowledge it but without more immigrants the country will fall apart.you do know theses migrants are useing the nhs and useing social care and with more migrants as you suggest the country will be even more poorer as in more schools houses and we will need more teachers police and such so you didn’t wach the interview then there’s a shock they simply don’t put in what they take out fact
Immigrants are far less likely to use the NHS, adult social care, or live in social housing, than British people."
Proportionally?
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"A report written by two Tory MPs for a think tank chaired by a Tory peer, and whose deputy chair is the chair of the 1922 committee, wrote a report that says immigration is bad?
I for one am stunned! right so you don’t believe the report then and you think mass immigration is good for the economy and makes us all richer ?
We have over 900,000 job vacancies, mass migration is essential for the economy.so you don’t agree with the report about the cost to the country for housing schooling and infrastructure then ?have you read the report or wached the interview I’m guessing not
The government keeps telling us that we need to grow the economy so we can provide more money for public services, we can’t grow the economy when there are 900,000 vacancies. We can’t run the NHS without immigrants, ditto adult social care.
There are people who don’t want to acknowledge it but without more immigrants the country will fall apart.
Only 13% of migrants were working in the Health & Social care industry in 2022.
The problem with using the emotional 'NHS and social care 'argument' is that ot doesn't actually paint a picture.
Of course we need migrants, but, what we really need is an actual 'skilled labour list' which changes according to our vacancies.
19% immigrants work in NHS (June 2023)
Approx 100,000 health and social care "skilled" route to visas were granted in 22/23, 58% carers, 27% nurses, 10% drs.social care isn’t skilled tho anyone can do it yes it should be classed as skilled given what they have to do it should be a high payed job but unfortunately it’s not it’s minimum wage a lot of the migrants that do these jobs tho don’t really care it’s just a rout into the U.K. if you knew anything about social care you would know this it was promised to care workers that there pay would be looked at and increased but like most promises it never happened nurses on the other hand are treated a hell of a lot better
Social care carers are better paid than agency carers. All should be trained, received training. Support workers in the NHS tend to be better paid than care agency staff. However those on band 2 do not receive much more than minimum wage now that has increased.
Re nurses, the private sector pay a good deal more than the NHS.so like I said then so migrant workers going into care work are not skilled it’s the easiest rout into the U.K.
You need skills and qualifications to work as a care worker.
In this country you can get a carer's job without skills and qualifications. Then take on vocational qualifications. I would hope (again) those who got visas to work as carers in this country, have received at least some training.we all would hope and you also know that most the training is online rubbish
Really, what makes you a judge of this?"
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"A report written by two Tory MPs for a think tank chaired by a Tory peer, and whose deputy chair is the chair of the 1922 committee, wrote a report that says immigration is bad?
I for one am stunned! right so you don’t believe the report then and you think mass immigration is good for the economy and makes us all richer ?
We have over 900,000 job vacancies, mass migration is essential for the economy.so you don’t agree with the report about the cost to the country for housing schooling and infrastructure then ?have you read the report or wached the interview I’m guessing not
The government keeps telling us that we need to grow the economy so we can provide more money for public services, we can’t grow the economy when there are 900,000 vacancies. We can’t run the NHS without immigrants, ditto adult social care.
There are people who don’t want to acknowledge it but without more immigrants the country will fall apart.you do know theses migrants are useing the nhs and useing social care and with more migrants as you suggest the country will be even more poorer as in more schools houses and we will need more teachers police and such so you didn’t wach the interview then there’s a shock they simply don’t put in what they take out fact
Immigrants are far less likely to use the NHS, adult social care, or live in social housing, than British people.or ok so they don’t get old then how’s that work then lol"
I’m afraid they’re just the facts, I don’t really have an explanation for them. Also an immigrant man is more likely to be in employment than a UK born man. |
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"A report written by two Tory MPs for a think tank chaired by a Tory peer, and whose deputy chair is the chair of the 1922 committee, wrote a report that says immigration is bad?
I for one am stunned! right so you don’t believe the report then and you think mass immigration is good for the economy and makes us all richer ?
We have over 900,000 job vacancies, mass migration is essential for the economy.so you don’t agree with the report about the cost to the country for housing schooling and infrastructure then ?have you read the report or wached the interview I’m guessing not
The government keeps telling us that we need to grow the economy so we can provide more money for public services, we can’t grow the economy when there are 900,000 vacancies. We can’t run the NHS without immigrants, ditto adult social care.
There are people who don’t want to acknowledge it but without more immigrants the country will fall apart.you do know theses migrants are useing the nhs and useing social care and with more migrants as you suggest the country will be even more poorer as in more schools houses and we will need more teachers police and such so you didn’t wach the interview then there’s a shock they simply don’t put in what they take out fact
Immigrants are far less likely to use the NHS, adult social care, or live in social housing, than British people.or ok so they don’t get old then how’s that work then lol
I’m afraid they’re just the facts, I don’t really have an explanation for them. Also an immigrant man is more likely to be in employment than a UK born man."
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"A report written by two Tory MPs for a think tank chaired by a Tory peer, and whose deputy chair is the chair of the 1922 committee, wrote a report that says immigration is bad?
I for one am stunned! right so you don’t believe the report then and you think mass immigration is good for the economy and makes us all richer ?
We have over 900,000 job vacancies, mass migration is essential for the economy.so you don’t agree with the report about the cost to the country for housing schooling and infrastructure then ?have you read the report or wached the interview I’m guessing not
The government keeps telling us that we need to grow the economy so we can provide more money for public services, we can’t grow the economy when there are 900,000 vacancies. We can’t run the NHS without immigrants, ditto adult social care.
There are people who don’t want to acknowledge it but without more immigrants the country will fall apart.you do know theses migrants are useing the nhs and useing social care and with more migrants as you suggest the country will be even more poorer as in more schools houses and we will need more teachers police and such so you didn’t wach the interview then there’s a shock they simply don’t put in what they take out fact
Immigrants are far less likely to use the NHS, adult social care, or live in social housing, than British people.or ok so they don’t get old then how’s that work then lol
I’m afraid they’re just the facts, I don’t really have an explanation for them. Also an immigrant man is more likely to be in employment than a UK born man.
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I have seen different researches which agree with that.
Using NHS and adult care - Most immigrants come here for jobs/universities/asylum. On average, they are younger than the British population. Also, a big chunk of immigrants leave after a few years. Hence they won't be using NHS as much right now. But the ones staying long term will use later when they get old.
Social housing - Asylum seekers form a small part of overall immigration. People who come in through legal immigration mostly have to meet minimum salary requirements and hence they won't usually be looking for social housing though asylum seekers do look for social housing. But when it comes to housing, it's not just social housing that's the problem. The country has a housing crisis. |
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"A report written by two Tory MPs for a think tank chaired by a Tory peer, and whose deputy chair is the chair of the 1922 committee, wrote a report that says immigration is bad?
I for one am stunned! right so you don’t believe the report then and you think mass immigration is good for the economy and makes us all richer ?
We have over 900,000 job vacancies, mass migration is essential for the economy.so you don’t agree with the report about the cost to the country for housing schooling and infrastructure then ?have you read the report or wached the interview I’m guessing not
The government keeps telling us that we need to grow the economy so we can provide more money for public services, we can’t grow the economy when there are 900,000 vacancies. We can’t run the NHS without immigrants, ditto adult social care.
There are people who don’t want to acknowledge it but without more immigrants the country will fall apart.you do know theses migrants are useing the nhs and useing social care and with more migrants as you suggest the country will be even more poorer as in more schools houses and we will need more teachers police and such so you didn’t wach the interview then there’s a shock they simply don’t put in what they take out fact
Immigrants are far less likely to use the NHS, adult social care, or live in social housing, than British people.or ok so they don’t get old then how’s that work then lol
I’m afraid they’re just the facts, I don’t really have an explanation for them. Also an immigrant man is more likely to be in employment than a UK born man.
Links?"
I’m not sure what links were allowed to post in the forums but if you google the migration observatory website you’ll find it under an article called ‘Migrants in the UK Labour Market: An Overview’ |
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"A report written by two Tory MPs for a think tank chaired by a Tory peer, and whose deputy chair is the chair of the 1922 committee, wrote a report that says immigration is bad?
I for one am stunned! right so you don’t believe the report then and you think mass immigration is good for the economy and makes us all richer ?
We have over 900,000 job vacancies, mass migration is essential for the economy.so you don’t agree with the report about the cost to the country for housing schooling and infrastructure then ?have you read the report or wached the interview I’m guessing not
The government keeps telling us that we need to grow the economy so we can provide more money for public services, we can’t grow the economy when there are 900,000 vacancies. We can’t run the NHS without immigrants, ditto adult social care.
There are people who don’t want to acknowledge it but without more immigrants the country will fall apart.you do know theses migrants are useing the nhs and useing social care and with more migrants as you suggest the country will be even more poorer as in more schools houses and we will need more teachers police and such so you didn’t wach the interview then there’s a shock they simply don’t put in what they take out fact
Immigrants are far less likely to use the NHS, adult social care, or live in social housing, than British people.or ok so they don’t get old then how’s that work then lol
I’m afraid they’re just the facts, I don’t really have an explanation for them. Also an immigrant man is more likely to be in employment than a UK born man.
Links?
I’m not sure what links were allowed to post in the forums but if you google the migration observatory website you’ll find it under an article called ‘Migrants in the UK Labour Market: An Overview’"
Read it.
Can you square for me that it states that in Fig.2 but in Fig.3 it states that UK born had the lowest unemployment rates? |
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"A report written by two Tory MPs for a think tank chaired by a Tory peer, and whose deputy chair is the chair of the 1922 committee, wrote a report that says immigration is bad?
I for one am stunned! right so you don’t believe the report then and you think mass immigration is good for the economy and makes us all richer ?
We have over 900,000 job vacancies, mass migration is essential for the economy.so you don’t agree with the report about the cost to the country for housing schooling and infrastructure then ?have you read the report or wached the interview I’m guessing not
The government keeps telling us that we need to grow the economy so we can provide more money for public services, we can’t grow the economy when there are 900,000 vacancies. We can’t run the NHS without immigrants, ditto adult social care.
There are people who don’t want to acknowledge it but without more immigrants the country will fall apart.
Only 13% of migrants were working in the Health & Social care industry in 2022.
The problem with using the emotional 'NHS and social care 'argument' is that ot doesn't actually paint a picture.
Of course we need migrants, but, what we really need is an actual 'skilled labour list' which changes according to our vacancies.
19% immigrants work in NHS (June 2023)
Approx 100,000 health and social care "skilled" route to visas were granted in 22/23, 58% carers, 27% nurses, 10% drs.social care isn’t skilled tho anyone can do it yes it should be classed as skilled given what they have to do it should be a high payed job but unfortunately it’s not it’s minimum wage a lot of the migrants that do these jobs tho don’t really care it’s just a rout into the U.K. if you knew anything about social care you would know this it was promised to care workers that there pay would be looked at and increased but like most promises it never happened nurses on the other hand are treated a hell of a lot better
Social care carers are better paid than agency carers. All should be trained, received training. Support workers in the NHS tend to be better paid than care agency staff. However those on band 2 do not receive much more than minimum wage now that has increased.
Re nurses, the private sector pay a good deal more than the NHS.so like I said then so migrant workers going into care work are not skilled it’s the easiest rout into the U.K.
You need skills and qualifications to work as a care worker.
In this country you can get a carer's job without skills and qualifications. Then take on vocational qualifications. I would hope (again) those who got visas to work as carers in this country, have received at least some training.we all would hope and you also know that most the training is online rubbish
Really, what makes you a judge of this?because I know I work in the industry "
NHS, social care, and agencies would have moved training to online due to COVID. The sessions aren't as substantial as you're not getting interaction with others. But I wouldn't call it rubbish. I do hope the actual assessment system has improved because I know of one assessor who didn't actually observe the carer with their client, but asked questions about the care she had just given.  |
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"A report written by two Tory MPs for a think tank chaired by a Tory peer, and whose deputy chair is the chair of the 1922 committee, wrote a report that says immigration is bad?
I for one am stunned! right so you don’t believe the report then and you think mass immigration is good for the economy and makes us all richer ?
We have over 900,000 job vacancies, mass migration is essential for the economy.so you don’t agree with the report about the cost to the country for housing schooling and infrastructure then ?have you read the report or wached the interview I’m guessing not
The government keeps telling us that we need to grow the economy so we can provide more money for public services, we can’t grow the economy when there are 900,000 vacancies. We can’t run the NHS without immigrants, ditto adult social care.
There are people who don’t want to acknowledge it but without more immigrants the country will fall apart.you do know theses migrants are useing the nhs and useing social care and with more migrants as you suggest the country will be even more poorer as in more schools houses and we will need more teachers police and such so you didn’t wach the interview then there’s a shock they simply don’t put in what they take out fact
Immigrants are far less likely to use the NHS, adult social care, or live in social housing, than British people.or ok so they don’t get old then how’s that work then lol
I’m afraid they’re just the facts, I don’t really have an explanation for them. Also an immigrant man is more likely to be in employment than a UK born man.
Links?
I’m not sure what links were allowed to post in the forums but if you google the migration observatory website you’ll find it under an article called ‘Migrants in the UK Labour Market: An Overview’
Read it.
Can you square for me that it states that in Fig.2 but in Fig.3 it states that UK born had the lowest unemployment rates?"
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"A report written by two Tory MPs for a think tank chaired by a Tory peer, and whose deputy chair is the chair of the 1922 committee, wrote a report that says immigration is bad?
I for one am stunned! right so you don’t believe the report then and you think mass immigration is good for the economy and makes us all richer ?
We have over 900,000 job vacancies, mass migration is essential for the economy.so you don’t agree with the report about the cost to the country for housing schooling and infrastructure then ?have you read the report or wached the interview I’m guessing not
The government keeps telling us that we need to grow the economy so we can provide more money for public services, we can’t grow the economy when there are 900,000 vacancies. We can’t run the NHS without immigrants, ditto adult social care.
There are people who don’t want to acknowledge it but without more immigrants the country will fall apart.you do know theses migrants are useing the nhs and useing social care and with more migrants as you suggest the country will be even more poorer as in more schools houses and we will need more teachers police and such so you didn’t wach the interview then there’s a shock they simply don’t put in what they take out fact
Immigrants are far less likely to use the NHS, adult social care, or live in social housing, than British people.or ok so they don’t get old then how’s that work then lol
I’m afraid they’re just the facts, I don’t really have an explanation for them. Also an immigrant man is more likely to be in employment than a UK born man.
Links?
I’m not sure what links were allowed to post in the forums but if you google the migration observatory website you’ll find it under an article called ‘Migrants in the UK Labour Market: An Overview’
Read it.
Can you square for me that it states that in Fig.2 but in Fig.3 it states that UK born had the lowest unemployment rates? unemployment doesn't equal 1 - employment. I'm guessing UK born have more economically inactive. "
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"A report written by two Tory MPs for a think tank chaired by a Tory peer, and whose deputy chair is the chair of the 1922 committee, wrote a report that says immigration is bad?
I for one am stunned! right so you don’t believe the report then and you think mass immigration is good for the economy and makes us all richer ?
We have over 900,000 job vacancies, mass migration is essential for the economy.so you don’t agree with the report about the cost to the country for housing schooling and infrastructure then ?have you read the report or wached the interview I’m guessing not
The government keeps telling us that we need to grow the economy so we can provide more money for public services, we can’t grow the economy when there are 900,000 vacancies. We can’t run the NHS without immigrants, ditto adult social care.
There are people who don’t want to acknowledge it but without more immigrants the country will fall apart.you do know theses migrants are useing the nhs and useing social care and with more migrants as you suggest the country will be even more poorer as in more schools houses and we will need more teachers police and such so you didn’t wach the interview then there’s a shock they simply don’t put in what they take out fact
Immigrants are far less likely to use the NHS, adult social care, or live in social housing, than British people.or ok so they don’t get old then how’s that work then lol
I’m afraid they’re just the facts, I don’t really have an explanation for them. Also an immigrant man is more likely to be in employment than a UK born man.
Links?
I’m not sure what links were allowed to post in the forums but if you google the migration observatory website you’ll find it under an article called ‘Migrants in the UK Labour Market: An Overview’
Read it.
Can you square for me that it states that in Fig.2 but in Fig.3 it states that UK born had the lowest unemployment rates? unemployment doesn't equal 1 - employment. I'm guessing UK born have more economically inactive.
Economically inactive were excluded from information. The figures were for 16-64 age range. "
you can be economically inactive at those ages.
It's why (from what i can tell) that fig 2 + fig 4 isn't 100pc
Fig 4 also is clear it excluded inactive. Fig 2 does have that explanation.
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"A report written by two Tory MPs for a think tank chaired by a Tory peer, and whose deputy chair is the chair of the 1922 committee, wrote a report that says immigration is bad?
I for one am stunned! right so you don’t believe the report then and you think mass immigration is good for the economy and makes us all richer ?
We have over 900,000 job vacancies, mass migration is essential for the economy.so you don’t agree with the report about the cost to the country for housing schooling and infrastructure then ?have you read the report or wached the interview I’m guessing not
The government keeps telling us that we need to grow the economy so we can provide more money for public services, we can’t grow the economy when there are 900,000 vacancies. We can’t run the NHS without immigrants, ditto adult social care.
There are people who don’t want to acknowledge it but without more immigrants the country will fall apart.you do know theses migrants are useing the nhs and useing social care and with more migrants as you suggest the country will be even more poorer as in more schools houses and we will need more teachers police and such so you didn’t wach the interview then there’s a shock they simply don’t put in what they take out fact
Immigrants are far less likely to use the NHS, adult social care, or live in social housing, than British people.or ok so they don’t get old then how’s that work then lol
I’m afraid they’re just the facts, I don’t really have an explanation for them. Also an immigrant man is more likely to be in employment than a UK born man.
Links?
I’m not sure what links were allowed to post in the forums but if you google the migration observatory website you’ll find it under an article called ‘Migrants in the UK Labour Market: An Overview’
Read it.
Can you square for me that it states that in Fig.2 but in Fig.3 it states that UK born had the lowest unemployment rates? unemployment doesn't equal 1 - employment. I'm guessing UK born have more economically inactive.
Economically inactive were excluded from information. The figures were for 16-64 age range. you can be economically inactive at those ages.
It's why (from what i can tell) that fig 2 + fig 4 isn't 100pc
Fig 4 also is clear it excluded inactive. Fig 2 does have that explanation.
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I see it now.
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