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This is not 1st April. Tom repeats, this is not April fools day. Reports that about 250 people a week die prematurely because they have to wait over 12 hours at A&E without being seen. An excess death of 1 in 72 for patients waiting more than 8 hours.
Today, about 35 people will die after waiting more than 12 hours to be seen. Will your mum, dad, Brother, son be one of them. George, John, Steve, Margaret, Sue...
Everyone one of them dead because they waited 12 hours before being seen or treated. Even more because the clocks went forward making their waits even longer...
What exactly is going on here..
Sadly, this is not all over the news. It does not even make the front page...
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What's going on here is 14 years of Tory government and austerity cuts. When the Tories came to power the NHS had its highest ever satisfaction figures and was regarded as the best health system in the world. Now it has its lowest and has slipped right down the world rankings.
It really is that simple. |
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There are 1000s of unnecessary deaths in the NHS because they never admit to making any mistakes and as such do not learn from those mistakes, if the aviation industry did the same no one would fly anywhere |
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"This is not 1st April. Tom repeats, this is not April fools day. Reports that about 250 people a week die prematurely because they have to wait over 12 hours at A&E without being seen. An excess death of 1 in 72 for patients waiting more than 8 hours.
Today, about 35 people will die after waiting more than 12 hours to be seen. Will your mum, dad, Brother, son be one of them. George, John, Steve, Margaret, Sue...
Everyone one of them dead because they waited 12 hours before being seen or treated. Even more because the clocks went forward making their waits even longer...
What exactly is going on here..
Sadly, this is not all over the news. It does not even make the front page...
"
I am going to throw this one out there, but did the strikes have anything to do with these figures. |
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By *rpeggioCouple 33 weeks ago
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"There are 1000s of unnecessary deaths in the NHS because they never admit to making any mistakes and as such do not learn from those mistakes, if the aviation industry did the same no one would fly anywhere "
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So why more mistakes now than in 2010? And why more than in 1997? |
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"There are 1000s of unnecessary deaths in the NHS because they never admit to making any mistakes and as such do not learn from those mistakes, if the aviation industry did the same no one would fly anywhere "
QFT
It's not unknown for the worlds entire fleet of types of aircraft to be grounded over safety issues. The Boeing 737 Max springs to mind as the most recent. The Airbus A380(Superliner) being another.
There is no doubt in my mind at all that the state of the NHS can and should be laid squarely at the feet of this Tory government. If for that reason alone they sould be chucked out not to be re elected within my lifetime. |
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"There are 1000s of unnecessary deaths in the NHS because they never admit to making any mistakes and as such do not learn from those mistakes, if the aviation industry did the same no one would fly anywhere
QFT
It's not unknown for the worlds entire fleet of types of aircraft to be grounded over safety issues. The Boeing 737 Max springs to mind as the most recent. The Airbus A380(Superliner) being another.
There is no doubt in my mind at all that the state of the NHS can and should be laid squarely at the feet of this Tory government. If for that reason alone they sould be chucked out not to be re elected within my lifetime."
Did you know that the Tories, in the 1940s, voted against the creation of the NHS 22 times?
Their tame media mogul even called it "Nazi".
The post WW2 Attlee gov socialist gains (housing, NHS, education etc) have been eroded, privatised, and bolloxed since the late 70s (Tory and New Labour, with Starmer in the same mould).
However...moving on from politics and matching Tom's original tone - I really feel sorry for those who died at the precise moment the clocks went forward.
Because those poor souls clearly died twice.
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NHS is not broken, we are.
We continue to pump our bodies full of crap and expect the NHS to come up with miracle cures to sort out heart, liver, kidney, lung disease, plus all the substance misuse and fat related problems...
Rather then wanting the government to pump huge amounts of cash over the nhs budget, into the system, That should be spent on social care. We should tax all the unhealthy food and drink, not just sugar, with alcohol to extra fund the NHS to help cope with all the extra people clogging up the system, any seized substance money should be added to that as well
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The Tories killed all those people. If you read this and still vote for the Tories then blood is on your hands, please reconsider. Tories believe that the deaths of the vulnerable is an ok price for their political beliefs.
This is like the UCL report released in January that attributed 148,000 premature deaths directly to the Tory “austerity” ideology. |
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People going to A&E with minor issues.
D*unk's filling it up with avoidable accidents.
111 sending people to A&E because they are afraid to take responsibility and tell people what to do when they call in.
GPs sending people to A&E rather than treat people.
Entitled people going to A&E for issues that can be self treated.
Care homes sending elderly residents to A&E rather than treat them in house also clogging up the ambulance service and beds.
The list goes on,deal with these first rather than blame A&E the staff don't make the policies and procedures that slows the service down.
Standard £20 charge for anyone visiting A&E for those working under 65 and over 16.
Shouldn't this be in the politics section |
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"People going to A&E with minor issues.
D*unk's filling it up with avoidable accidents.
111 sending people to A&E because they are afraid to take responsibility and tell people what to do when they call in.
GPs sending people to A&E rather than treat people.
Entitled people going to A&E for issues that can be self treated.
Care homes sending elderly residents to A&E rather than treat them in house also clogging up the ambulance service and beds.
The list goes on,deal with these first rather than blame A&E the staff don't make the policies and procedures that slows the service down.
Standard £20 charge for anyone visiting A&E for those working under 65 and over 16.
Shouldn't this be in the politics section "
So much this !! |
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By *alcon77Man 33 weeks ago
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"There are 1000s of unnecessary deaths in the NHS because they never admit to making any mistakes and as such do not learn from those mistakes, if the aviation industry did the same no one would fly anywhere
QFT
It's not unknown for the worlds entire fleet of types of aircraft to be grounded over safety issues. The Boeing 737 Max springs to mind as the most recent. The Airbus A380(Superliner) being another.
There is no doubt in my mind at all that the state of the NHS can and should be laid squarely at the feet of this Tory government. If for that reason alone they sould be chucked out not to be re elected within my lifetime.
Did you know that the Tories, in the 1940s, voted against the creation of the NHS 22 times?
Their tame media mogul even called it "Nazi".
The post WW2 Attlee gov socialist gains (housing, NHS, education etc) have been eroded, privatised, and bolloxed since the late 70s (Tory and New Labour, with Starmer in the same mould).
However...moving on from politics and matching Tom's original tone - I really feel sorry for those who died at the precise moment the clocks went forward.
Because those poor souls clearly died twice.
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That's interesting.
Philip green was one of the business leaders that advised the prime minister (David Cameron at the time) and pushed for austerity. Green was heading an efficiency review for the government.
I remember being in A&E for 13 hours, before my first spine surgery, to be seen. It felt like both my legs had broken. The ambulance driver told me that it's not uncommon to be waiting 48 hours. He said he take someone to hospital and come back the next day after his shift & the same patient is still in the ambulance waiting.. |
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"This is not 1st April. Tom repeats, this is not April fools day. Reports that about 250 people a week die prematurely because they have to wait over 12 hours at A&E without being seen. An excess death of 1 in 72 for patients waiting more than 8 hours.
Today, about 35 people will die after waiting more than 12 hours to be seen. Will your mum, dad, Brother, son be one of them. George, John, Steve, Margaret, Sue...
Everyone one of them dead because they waited 12 hours before being seen or treated. Even more because the clocks went forward making their waits even longer...
What exactly is going on here..
Sadly, this is not all over the news. It does not even make the front page...
I am going to throw this one out there, but did the strikes have anything to do with these figures."
I thought a&e's were not affected in terms of doctors on duty during the strikes. |
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"Immigration is a huge issue for the NHS much like all aspects of health care & education etc, open door policies for 20+ yrs with no pro rata increase in funding is a positive underfunding."
You're still more likely to be treated by an immigrant in a and e than be behind one in the queue. |
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"This is not 1st April. Tom repeats, this is not April fools day. Reports that about 250 people a week die prematurely because they have to wait over 12 hours at A&E without being seen. An excess death of 1 in 72 for patients waiting more than 8 hours.
Today, about 35 people will die after waiting more than 12 hours to be seen. Will your mum, dad, Brother, son be one of them. George, John, Steve, Margaret, Sue...
Everyone one of them dead because they waited 12 hours before being seen or treated. Even more because the clocks went forward making their waits even longer...
What exactly is going on here..
Sadly, this is not all over the news. It does not even make the front page...
I am going to throw this one out there, but did the strikes have anything to do with these figures.
I thought a&e's were not affected in terms of doctors on duty during the strikes. "
I think the strikes are a symptom of the problems in the health service not the cause of tnem |
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"Immigration is a huge issue for the NHS much like all aspects of health care & education etc, open door policies for 20+ yrs with no pro rata increase in funding is a positive underfunding.
You're still more likely to be treated by an immigrant in a and e than be behind one in the queue."
Not sure how that is relevant to my point. |
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"Immigration is a huge issue for the NHS much like all aspects of health care & education etc, open door policies for 20+ yrs with no pro rata increase in funding is a positive underfunding.
You're still more likely to be treated by an immigrant in a and e than be behind one in the queue.
Not sure how that is relevant to my point. "
You said immigration is a huge issue for the NHS. I suggest that without it the issues would be worse |
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"Immigration is a huge issue for the NHS much like all aspects of health care & education etc, open door policies for 20+ yrs with no pro rata increase in funding is a positive underfunding.
You're still more likely to be treated by an immigrant in a and e than be behind one in the queue.
Not sure how that is relevant to my point.
You said immigration is a huge issue for the NHS. I suggest that without it the issues would be worse"
I'm scoring NiceCouple about 5-0 up across all comments so far  . |
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Been happening a while! My mum died 17 years ago because she first was not deemed in need of a doctor home visit! Then when an ambulance was called to take her to hospital she was left in a and e to long before being seen! By time she was seen they tried pumping her with antibiotics but was to late she died same evening sadly! X |
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"Immigration is a huge issue for the NHS much like all aspects of health care & education etc, open door policies for 20+ yrs with no pro rata increase in funding is a positive underfunding.
You're still more likely to be treated by an immigrant in an and e than be behind one in the queue."
People are quick to forget how much the nhs relies on immigrant doctors etc to fill job roles.
Other causes for strains on nhs
People going for stuff that should be treated by gp
Gp being increasingly difficult to get an appointment
General poor health conditions due to poor education |
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"Immigration is a huge issue for the NHS much like all aspects of health care & education etc, open door policies for 20+ yrs with no pro rata increase in funding is a positive underfunding."
Ohh dear here we go!  blame the immigrants! |
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"Immigration is a huge issue for the NHS much like all aspects of health care & education etc, open door policies for 20+ yrs with no pro rata increase in funding is a positive underfunding.
You're still more likely to be treated by an immigrant in an and e than be behind one in the queue.
People are quick to forget how much the nhs relies on immigrant doctors etc to fill job roles.
Other causes for strains on nhs
People going for stuff that should be treated by gp
Gp being increasingly difficult to get an appointment
General poor health conditions due to poor education"
How many doctors and nurses come to the UK via the boats across the channel?
Don't conflate legal vs illegal migration. |
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"Immigration is a huge issue for the NHS much like all aspects of health care & education etc, open door policies for 20+ yrs with no pro rata increase in funding is a positive underfunding.
Ohh dear here we go! blame the immigrants! "
It does obviously contribute. However a big part is druggys and alkies along with people going with stupid things like sore toe or tooth ache.
A and E tends to take druggys in before decent people as they are unruly and cause trouble.
Saying immigration is not part is being silly. As silly as blaming immigration on all the problems. |
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"Immigration is a huge issue for the NHS much like all aspects of health care & education etc, open door policies for 20+ yrs with no pro rata increase in funding is a positive underfunding.
Ohh dear here we go! blame the immigrants! "
I struggle with how unintelligent & reactive people can be on here, read my words & see who I,m blaming.
Who is underfunding society, who is responsible for funding the NHS, Police, Schools, Councils?
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"People going to A&E with minor issues.
D*unk's filling it up with avoidable accidents.
111 sending people to A&E because they are afraid to take responsibility and tell people what to do when they call in.
GPs sending people to A&E rather than treat people.
Entitled people going to A&E for issues that can be self treated.
Care homes sending elderly residents to A&E rather than treat them in house also clogging up the ambulance service and beds.
The list goes on,deal with these first rather than blame A&E the staff don't make the policies and procedures that slows the service down.
Standard £20 charge for anyone visiting A&E for those working under 65 and over 16.
Shouldn't this be in the politics section "
Agree with a lot of this,the issue with charging is a bit more difficult. Should we charge for missed appointments etc.
But certainly the system is open to abuse and that is part of the problem. |
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"Immigration is a huge issue for the NHS much like all aspects of health care & education etc, open door policies for 20+ yrs with no pro rata increase in funding is a positive underfunding.
Ohh dear here we go! blame the immigrants!
I struggle with how unintelligent & reactive people can be on here, read my words & see who I,m blaming.
Who is underfunding society, who is responsible for funding the NHS, Police, Schools, Councils?
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U clearly are blaming immigrants! u allways do! I use the private note facility for a reason! |
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"People going to A&E with minor issues.
D*unk's filling it up with avoidable accidents.
111 sending people to A&E because they are afraid to take responsibility and tell people what to do when they call in.
GPs sending people to A&E rather than treat people.
Entitled people going to A&E for issues that can be self treated.
Care homes sending elderly residents to A&E rather than treat them in house also clogging up the ambulance service and beds.
The list goes on,deal with these first rather than blame A&E the staff don't make the policies and procedures that slows the service down.
Standard £20 charge for anyone visiting A&E for those working under 65 and over 16.
Shouldn't this be in the politics section "
Why should I pay and the layabouts don't. Only people who should pay are those not from this country and they should have holiday insurance anyway to cover it. |
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"Immigration is a huge issue for the NHS much like all aspects of health care & education etc, open door policies for 20+ yrs with no pro rata increase in funding is a positive underfunding.
Ohh dear here we go! blame the immigrants!
I struggle with how unintelligent & reactive people can be on here, read my words & see who I,m blaming.
Who is underfunding society, who is responsible for funding the NHS, Police, Schools, Councils?
U clearly are blaming immigrants! u allways do! I use the private note facility for a reason!"
Can't help you there, have nice day. Well done for managing to type. |
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"People going to A&E with minor issues.
D*unk's filling it up with avoidable accidents.
111 sending people to A&E because they are afraid to take responsibility and tell people what to do when they call in.
GPs sending people to A&E rather than treat people.
Entitled people going to A&E for issues that can be self treated.
Care homes sending elderly residents to A&E rather than treat them in house also clogging up the ambulance service and beds.
The list goes on,deal with these first rather than blame A&E the staff don't make the policies and procedures that slows the service down.
Standard £20 charge for anyone visiting A&E for those working under 65 and over 16.
Shouldn't this be in the politics section
Agree with a lot of this,the issue with charging is a bit more difficult. Should we charge for missed appointments etc.
But certainly the system is open to abuse and that is part of the problem."
The only people paying will be those working. As usual. Those getting lots of money for nothing will not be paying. They give nothing to society and just take out. I pay taxes. Why pay again. |
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"This is not 1st April. Tom repeats, this is not April fools day. Reports that about 250 people a week die prematurely because they have to wait over 12 hours at A&E without being seen. An excess death of 1 in 72 for patients waiting more than 8 hours.
Today, about 35 people will die after waiting more than 12 hours to be seen. Will your mum, dad, Brother, son be one of them. George, John, Steve, Margaret, Sue...
Everyone one of them dead because they waited 12 hours before being seen or treated. Even more because the clocks went forward making their waits even longer...
What exactly is going on here..
Sadly, this is not all over the news. It does not even make the front page...
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But it's the envy of the western world tom... And it's free.
Honestly it's shameful. Take the politics out of it and try for God's sake to have something fit for purpose. I don't even think it's hit the bottom yet.
What a truly disgusting situation we are in with our health and health care.
Good luck to anyone who has need of health care its a lottery if you'll survive it. |
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"People going to A&E with minor issues.
D*unk's filling it up with avoidable accidents.
111 sending people to A&E because they are afraid to take responsibility and tell people what to do when they call in.
GPs sending people to A&E rather than treat people.
Entitled people going to A&E for issues that can be self treated.
Care homes sending elderly residents to A&E rather than treat them in house also clogging up the ambulance service and beds.
The list goes on,deal with these first rather than blame A&E the staff don't make the policies and procedures that slows the service down.
Standard £20 charge for anyone visiting A&E for those working under 65 and over 16.
Shouldn't this be in the politics section
Agree with a lot of this,the issue with charging is a bit more difficult. Should we charge for missed appointments etc.
But certainly the system is open to abuse and that is part of the problem.
The only people paying will be those working. As usual. Those getting lots of money for nothing will not be paying. They give nothing to society and just take out. I pay taxes. Why pay again. "
Because good health care costs a lot of money. |
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"Immigration is a huge issue for the NHS much like all aspects of health care & education etc, open door policies for 20+ yrs with no pro rata increase in funding is a positive underfunding.
Ohh dear here we go! blame the immigrants!
I struggle with how unintelligent & reactive people can be on here, read my words & see who I,m blaming.
Who is underfunding society, who is responsible for funding the NHS, Police, Schools, Councils?
U clearly are blaming immigrants! u allways do! I use the private note facility for a reason!
Can't help you there, have nice day. Well done for managing to type."
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"People going to A&E with minor issues.
D*unk's filling it up with avoidable accidents.
111 sending people to A&E because they are afraid to take responsibility and tell people what to do when they call in.
GPs sending people to A&E rather than treat people.
Entitled people going to A&E for issues that can be self treated.
Care homes sending elderly residents to A&E rather than treat them in house also clogging up the ambulance service and beds.
The list goes on,deal with these first rather than blame A&E the staff don't make the policies and procedures that slows the service down.
Standard £20 charge for anyone visiting A&E for those working under 65 and over 16.
Shouldn't this be in the politics section
Agree with a lot of this,the issue with charging is a bit more difficult. Should we charge for missed appointments etc.
But certainly the system is open to abuse and that is part of the problem.
The only people paying will be those working. As usual. Those getting lots of money for nothing will not be paying. They give nothing to society and just take out. I pay taxes. Why pay again.
Because good health care costs a lot of money. "
I know. Again, why should I pay taxes then pay to see a doctor while my taxes are paying for layabouts to see the doctor? |
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3 reasons I can see all the fault of the government.
1. When the Tories came to power the NHS was in good health, then they began strip mineing it, preparing to sell it off to thier mates & donors.
2. Brexit did not deliver what it said on the side if the bus. And thanks to Brexit the NHS lost a lot of staff - mostly eastern European - that have never been replaced because (let's be honest) us Brits think the menial work those lost workers did is beneath us. So a lot of that menial work is having to be done by trained nurses meaning they are not available to do thier actual job.
3. Covid just about finished the NHS off. They have lost a lot of staff due to PTSD brought on by what they experienced and how the Tories engineered it after Covid to make them out to be the enemy, turning the public against them.
NHS are heroes and get clapped for once a week when they're saving our lives, but how dare they expect a pay rise, and access to decent working conditions and equipment that actually works.
Sadly a change of government won't save the NHS. It's been being killed off for over a decade, it will take at least that long to repair some of the damage. And the Tories know this, and will blame Labour for not fixing what they broke, and the British public are such thick twats they will believe the Tories and vote them back into power in 5yrs time. |
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"3 reasons I can see all the fault of the government.
1. When the Tories came to power the NHS was in good health, then they began strip mineing it, preparing to sell it off to thier mates & donors.
2. Brexit did not deliver what it said on the side if the bus. And thanks to Brexit the NHS lost a lot of staff - mostly eastern European - that have never been replaced because (let's be honest) us Brits think the menial work those lost workers did is beneath us. So a lot of that menial work is having to be done by trained nurses meaning they are not available to do thier actual job.
3. Covid just about finished the NHS off. They have lost a lot of staff due to PTSD brought on by what they experienced and how the Tories engineered it after Covid to make them out to be the enemy, turning the public against them.
NHS are heroes and get clapped for once a week when they're saving our lives, but how dare they expect a pay rise, and access to decent working conditions and equipment that actually works.
Sadly a change of government won't save the NHS. It's been being killed off for over a decade, it will take at least that long to repair some of the damage. And the Tories know this, and will blame Labour for not fixing what they broke, and the British public are such thick twats they will believe the Tories and vote them back into power in 5yrs time. "
Hahaha what nonsense. But at least you acknowledged covid. |
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"3 reasons I can see all the fault of the government.
1. When the Tories came to power the NHS was in good health, then they began strip mineing it, preparing to sell it off to thier mates & donors.
2. Brexit did not deliver what it said on the side if the bus. And thanks to Brexit the NHS lost a lot of staff - mostly eastern European - that have never been replaced because (let's be honest) us Brits think the menial work those lost workers did is beneath us. So a lot of that menial work is having to be done by trained nurses meaning they are not available to do thier actual job.
3. Covid just about finished the NHS off. They have lost a lot of staff due to PTSD brought on by what they experienced and how the Tories engineered it after Covid to make them out to be the enemy, turning the public against them.
NHS are heroes and get clapped for once a week when they're saving our lives, but how dare they expect a pay rise, and access to decent working conditions and equipment that actually works.
Sadly a change of government won't save the NHS. It's been being killed off for over a decade, it will take at least that long to repair some of the damage. And the Tories know this, and will blame Labour for not fixing what they broke, and the British public are such thick twats they will believe the Tories and vote them back into power in 5yrs time. "
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"Immigration is a huge issue for the NHS much like all aspects of health care & education etc, open door policies for 20+ yrs with no pro rata increase in funding is a positive underfunding.
Ohh dear here we go! blame the immigrants!
It does obviously contribute. However a big part is druggys and alkies along with people going with stupid things like sore toe or tooth ache.
A and E tends to take druggys in before decent people as they are unruly and cause trouble.
Saying immigration is not part is being silly. As silly as blaming immigration on all the problems. "
Are the boat people to be blamed here? Is it true that every dinghy man, (not many women for some reason) has a free health check on arrival. Sould there be fast lanes at A&E for taxpayers a bit like priority boarding on jet companys on Ryanair.
Put a real entrepreneur in charge like David O' Leary and he will sort it. It could work like Ryanair. Free at the point of delivery but remarkably your wallet is empty when you reach your destination. Charge the buggers for their suitcases when admitted to hospital. Treatment is free but why free meals ... ? |
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"People going to A&E with minor issues.
D*unk's filling it up with avoidable accidents.
111 sending people to A&E because they are afraid to take responsibility and tell people what to do when they call in.
GPs sending people to A&E rather than treat people.
Entitled people going to A&E for issues that can be self treated.
Care homes sending elderly residents to A&E rather than treat them in house also clogging up the ambulance service and beds.
The list goes on,deal with these first rather than blame A&E the staff don't make the policies and procedures that slows the service down.
Standard £20 charge for anyone visiting A&E for those working under 65 and over 16.
Shouldn't this be in the politics section
Agree with a lot of this,the issue with charging is a bit more difficult. Should we charge for missed appointments etc.
But certainly the system is open to abuse and that is part of the problem.
The only people paying will be those working. As usual. Those getting lots of money for nothing will not be paying. They give nothing to society and just take out. I pay taxes. Why pay again.
Because good health care costs a lot of money. "
It's more of a deterrent than to raise funds to prevent people abusing A&E for needless visits yeah I understand your point and understand people who are struggling financially but there's ways to ensure people who are struggling won't pay.
But people turning up to A&E with an earache and the likes.
Another thing is to overhaul Dental services no-one should be visiting A&E with a toothache there should be a complete separate service for this it shouldn't get to the point of people attending A&E for stuff dentist should be treating, but once again greed.
We are entering a time when we are going to be similar to the USA people travel to Mexico and other countries to get medication.
We already see people travelling to Turkey for dental treatment and the consequences they end up in hospital costing the NHS three times the amount.
All cosmetic procedures should be self funded. other than stuff like reconstruction surgery following accident or say for example breast reconstrustion following cancer .
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Let's bust the myth here. NHS is not free. It's only free at the point of delivery. Our taxes pay for it. The problem is that making it more efficient will not mean that we pay less tax. It just means that the government of the day will have less cash to saunder.. |
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"Let's bust the myth here. NHS is not free. It's only free at the point of delivery. Our taxes pay for it. The problem is that making it more efficient will not mean that we pay less tax. It just means that the government of the day will have less cash to saunder.."
Typo Tom see above.. the government would have more cash to squander... |
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"C'mon the NHS is our national treasure. So 250 die in A&E queues every week. So what, the service is free."
Yes let's save it. Because... The numbers don't lie....everyone else is copying it and aspires to have health care as good as ours... Oh hang on. |
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By *STOOCouple 33 weeks ago
durham |
The NHS is a victim of its own success unfortunately, they can cure or fix more conditions than ever before so more people are being cared for and cured etc so the bill goes up and up!
As for dental care, my wife and I have paid into the health system / taxed for 55 years and been at the same dentist practice for 20 + years, so now she got charged £99 for a filling. Obviously now private care costs, so what happened to All our hard earned cash we paid for 55 years??
Ok now the part where I say, who pays for the illegal immigrants when they need care¿?? Dont confuse this with racism, planned immigration is fine but these people are illegal!! |
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"The NHS is a victim of its own success unfortunately, they can cure or fix more conditions than ever before so more people are being cared for and cured etc so the bill goes up and up!
As for dental care, my wife and I have paid into the health system / taxed for 55 years and been at the same dentist practice for 20 + years, so now she got charged £99 for a filling. Obviously now private care costs, so what happened to All our hard earned cash we paid for 55 years??
Ok now the part where I say, who pays for the illegal immigrants when they need care¿?? Dont confuse this with racism, planned immigration is fine but these people are illegal!!"
It comes out of the overseas aid budget |
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"The NHS is a victim of its own success unfortunately, they can cure or fix more conditions than ever before so more people are being cared for and cured etc so the bill goes up and up!
As for dental care, my wife and I have paid into the health system / taxed for 55 years and been at the same dentist practice for 20 + years, so now she got charged £99 for a filling. Obviously now private care costs, so what happened to All our hard earned cash we paid for 55 years??
Ok now the part where I say, who pays for the illegal immigrants when they need care¿?? Dont confuse this with racism, planned immigration is fine but these people are illegal!!
It comes out of the overseas aid budget "
Housing does. I doubt care costs do. |
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"The NHS is a victim of its own success unfortunately, they can cure or fix more conditions than ever before so more people are being cared for and cured etc so the bill goes up and up!
As for dental care, my wife and I have paid into the health system / taxed for 55 years and been at the same dentist practice for 20 + years, so now she got charged £99 for a filling. Obviously now private care costs, so what happened to All our hard earned cash we paid for 55 years??
Ok now the part where I say, who pays for the illegal immigrants when they need care¿?? Dont confuse this with racism, planned immigration is fine but these people are illegal!!
It comes out of the overseas aid budget "
Aaah ! It's like free money then.. |
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"The NHS is a victim of its own success unfortunately, they can cure or fix more conditions than ever before so more people are being cared for and cured etc so the bill goes up and up!
As for dental care, my wife and I have paid into the health system / taxed for 55 years and been at the same dentist practice for 20 + years, so now she got charged £99 for a filling. Obviously now private care costs, so what happened to All our hard earned cash we paid for 55 years??
Ok now the part where I say, who pays for the illegal immigrants when they need care¿?? Dont confuse this with racism, planned immigration is fine but these people are illegal!!
It comes out of the overseas aid budget
Aaah ! It's like free money then.. "
It's cheaper to bring "overseas" home than go all that way to provide aid |
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By *eavenNhellCouple 33 weeks ago
carrbrook stalybridge |
"People going to A&E with minor issues.
D*unk's filling it up with avoidable accidents.
111 sending people to A&E because they are afraid to take responsibility and tell people what to do when they call in.
GPs sending people to A&E rather than treat people.
Entitled people going to A&E for issues that can be self treated.
Care homes sending elderly residents to A&E rather than treat them in house also clogging up the ambulance service and beds.
The list goes on,deal with these first rather than blame A&E the staff don't make the policies and procedures that slows the service down.
Standard £20 charge for anyone visiting A&E for those working under 65 and over 16.
Shouldn't this be in the politics section "
had to goto A&E xmas eve (debilatating prostatitis) bank account empty dont get paid untill newyears eve how do i pay the £20 ? Btw treatment first class as ever |
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"People going to A&E with minor issues.
D*unk's filling it up with avoidable accidents.
111 sending people to A&E because they are afraid to take responsibility and tell people what to do when they call in.
GPs sending people to A&E rather than treat people.
Entitled people going to A&E for issues that can be self treated.
Care homes sending elderly residents to A&E rather than treat them in house also clogging up the ambulance service and beds.
The list goes on,deal with these first rather than blame A&E the staff don't make the policies and procedures that slows the service down.
Standard £20 charge for anyone visiting A&E for those working under 65 and over 16.
Shouldn't this be in the politics section had to goto A&E xmas eve (debilatating prostatitis) bank account empty dont get paid untill newyears eve how do i pay the £20 ? Btw treatment first class as ever "
The timeaster accident and emergency cloggers obviously had more pressing concerns on Christmas Eve |
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By *I TwoCouple 33 weeks ago
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"People going to A&E with minor issues.
D*unk's filling it up with avoidable accidents.
111 sending people to A&E because they are afraid to take responsibility and tell people what to do when they call in.
GPs sending people to A&E rather than treat people.
Entitled people going to A&E for issues that can be self treated.
Care homes sending elderly residents to A&E rather than treat them in house also clogging up the ambulance service and beds.
The list goes on,deal with these first rather than blame A&E the staff don't make the policies and procedures that slows the service down.
Standard £20 charge for anyone visiting A&E for those working under 65 and over 16.
Shouldn't this be in the politics section had to goto A&E xmas eve (debilatating prostatitis) bank account empty dont get paid untill newyears eve how do i pay the £20 ? Btw treatment first class as ever "
Stick it on the credit card, just pretend your ordering a few beers |
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"This is not 1st April. Tom repeats, this is not April fools day. Reports that about 250 people a week die prematurely because they have to wait over 12 hours at A&E without being seen. An excess death of 1 in 72 for patients waiting more than 8 hours.
Today, about 35 people will die after waiting more than 12 hours to be seen. Will your mum, dad, Brother, son be one of them. George, John, Steve, Margaret, Sue...
Everyone one of them dead because they waited 12 hours before being seen or treated. Even more because the clocks went forward making their waits even longer...
What exactly is going on here..
Sadly, this is not all over the news. It does not even make the front page...
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Might help if A&E was clogged up with people how shouldn’t be there ..just ask any A&E nurse … even that idiot Drakeford had said at weekends A&E is full of piss heads and the results of fights… the clue is in the title Accident/Emergancy |
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"Immigration is a huge issue for the NHS much like all aspects of health care & education etc, open door policies for 20+ yrs with no pro rata increase in funding is a positive underfunding.
You're still more likely to be treated by an immigrant in an and e than be behind one in the queue."
I’m a lot of cases A&E performance improved during the strikes as consultants covered the juniors, meaning decision makers were seeing the patients earlier. |
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"Immigration is a huge issue for the NHS much like all aspects of health care & education etc, open door policies for 20+ yrs with no pro rata increase in funding is a positive underfunding.
You're still more likely to be treated by an immigrant in an and e than be behind one in the queue.
I’m a lot of cases A&E performance improved during the strikes as consultants covered the juniors, meaning decision makers were seeing the patients earlier."
Some may have covered and getting paid fucking handsomely to do so. Meanwhile, others are pissed off, and say the strikes lead to increased risk of patients dying.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/dec/20/junior-doctors-strikes-have-fractured-relationship-with-consultants-say-nhs-trusts |
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"Immigration is a huge issue for the NHS much like all aspects of health care & education etc, open door policies for 20+ yrs with no pro rata increase in funding is a positive underfunding.
You're still more likely to be treated by an immigrant in an and e than be behind one in the queue.
I’m a lot of cases A&E performance improved during the strikes as consultants covered the juniors, meaning decision makers were seeing the patients earlier."
Beats moonlighting down The Spire before a round of golf and G&Ts |
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"Immigration is a huge issue for the NHS much like all aspects of health care & education etc, open door policies for 20+ yrs with no pro rata increase in funding is a positive underfunding.
You're still more likely to be treated by an immigrant in an and e than be behind one in the queue.
I’m a lot of cases A&E performance improved during the strikes as consultants covered the juniors, meaning decision makers were seeing the patients earlier.
Beats moonlighting down The Spire before a round of golf and G&Ts"
Not a lot of call for emergency medicine consultants in private healthcare. |
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"Immigration is a huge issue for the NHS much like all aspects of health care & education etc, open door policies for 20+ yrs with no pro rata increase in funding is a positive underfunding.
You're still more likely to be treated by an immigrant in an and e than be behind one in the queue.
I’m a lot of cases A&E performance improved during the strikes as consultants covered the juniors, meaning decision makers were seeing the patients earlier.
Beats moonlighting down The Spire before a round of golf and G&Ts
Not a lot of call for emergency medicine consultants in private healthcare."
Possibly not, but the principle holds true. Over half of NHS Consultants moonlight in the private sector. I can't think of any other business that would permit it's top flight professionals to swan off to other jobs in their spare time. It's absurd. |
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"People going to A&E with minor issues.
D*unk's filling it up with avoidable accidents.
111 sending people to A&E because they are afraid to take responsibility and tell people what to do when they call in.
GPs sending people to A&E rather than treat people.
Entitled people going to A&E for issues that can be self treated.
Care homes sending elderly residents to A&E rather than treat them in house also clogging up the ambulance service and beds.
The list goes on,deal with these first rather than blame A&E the staff don't make the policies and procedures that slows the service down.
Standard £20 charge for anyone visiting A&E for those working under 65 and over 16.
Shouldn't this be in the politics section "
You have a bee in your bonnet re care homes  |
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"Immigration is a huge issue for the NHS much like all aspects of health care & education etc, open door policies for 20+ yrs with no pro rata increase in funding is a positive underfunding.
You're still more likely to be treated by an immigrant in an and e than be behind one in the queue.
I’m a lot of cases A&E performance improved during the strikes as consultants covered the juniors, meaning decision makers were seeing the patients earlier.
Beats moonlighting down The Spire before a round of golf and G&Ts
Not a lot of call for emergency medicine consultants in private healthcare.
Possibly not, but the principle holds true. Over half of NHS Consultants moonlight in the private sector. I can't think of any other business that would permit it's top flight professionals to swan off to other jobs in their spare time. It's absurd."
They have to make up for their dreadful nhs package somehow. |
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By (user no longer on site) 33 weeks ago
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"People going to A&E with minor issues.
D*unk's filling it up with avoidable accidents.
111 sending people to A&E because they are afraid to take responsibility and tell people what to do when they call in.
GPs sending people to A&E rather than treat people.
Entitled people going to A&E for issues that can be self treated.
Care homes sending elderly residents to A&E rather than treat them in house also clogging up the ambulance service and beds.
The list goes on,deal with these first rather than blame A&E the staff don't make the policies and procedures that slows the service down.
Standard £20 charge for anyone visiting A&E for those working under 65 and over 16.
Shouldn't this be in the politics section "
Working or not why should workers be penalised some people on benifits have more spare cash than people working |
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By *rpeggioCouple 33 weeks ago
Baughurst |
"NHS is not broken, we are.
We continue to pump our bodies full of crap and expect the NHS to come up with miracle cures to sort out heart, liver, kidney, lung disease, plus all the substance misuse and fat related problems...
Rather then wanting the government to pump huge amounts of cash over the nhs budget, into the system, That should be spent on social care. We should tax all the unhealthy food and drink, not just sugar, with alcohol to extra fund the NHS to help cope with all the extra people clogging up the system, any seized substance money should be added to that as well
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Beautiful sentiment and a good idea, except for the fact that it would not work with a government that is looking at ways to reduce taxes rather than increase them, and is best pals with the companies that produce and sell the unhealthy food, alcohol, tobacco or they are private NHS contractors and pharma. If we were all healthier, those Tory donors would quickly stop donating.
People seem to be under the impression that governments are looking for ways to improve the country and welfare of the people when in reality their number one goal is staying in power. |
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By *rpeggioCouple 33 weeks ago
Baughurst |
"Immigration is a huge issue for the NHS much like all aspects of health care & education etc, open door policies for 20+ yrs with no pro rata increase in funding is a positive underfunding.
You're still more likely to be treated by an immigrant in a and e than be behind one in the queue."
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I understood the post you replied to not as a critique of immigration, or immigrants, but to governments that have not put in place policies to fund services locally according to the proportional increase in population in certain localities. In some areas, the increase is due to immigration, in others is spillovers from big cities like London, in others a mixture of both and other reasons. As a result, people see towns growing far too quickly without services growing at the same pace or even at all.
Immigration is a positive economic force, but requires policies that take into account the fact that it does not distribute equally across the country and funding needs to match the locations with population growth. |
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Blame the Tories all you want, they’ve blown it. But please don’t think Labour will be any better. Labour is in charge of the NHS in Wales and has overseen such a decline that we are bottom of pretty much every metric (along with education and business investment).
Recently spent three whole days in A&E with our son and spoke to a member of the Red Cross who explained that they have placed someone in every Welsh A&E department due to the state of things.
So for everyone justifiably bemoaning the state of the NHS, please don’t assume there will improvement under Starmer’s Labour whose acolytes struggle to define the biological facts about what makes us all male and female.
There is a reason nobody else copies the NHS’s socialist formula - it doesn’t work. We need to look to the systems in Europe and beyond that do offer confidence and efficiency and scrap the NHS and start again. |
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"Immigration is a huge issue for the NHS much like all aspects of health care & education etc, open door policies for 20+ yrs with no pro rata increase in funding is a positive underfunding.
You're still more likely to be treated by an immigrant in a and e than be behind one in the queue.
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I understood the post you replied to not as a critique of immigration, or immigrants, but to governments that have not put in place policies to fund services locally according to the proportional increase in population in certain localities. In some areas, the increase is due to immigration, in others is spillovers from big cities like London, in others a mixture of both and other reasons. As a result, people see towns growing far too quickly without services growing at the same pace or even at all.
Immigration is a positive economic force, but requires policies that take into account the fact that it does not distribute equally across the country and funding needs to match the locations with population growth."
If it is controlled and managed and legal immigration 100 percent agree. Our population has rocketed in the last 20 years by over a third.. 19million increase in population in 20 years...and a decreasing birth rate...and with seemingly very little in the way of planning ,of pretty much anything. integration, education, transport, services, accomodation, community, law, health, leisure, childcare and and and.
It's not really a recipe for success. |
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