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" Israeli interviewed by BBC “Her vision for the future of Gaza - now home to 2.3 million Palestinians, many of them starving - is that it will be Jewish. "Gaza Arabs will not stay in the Gaza Strip," she says. "Who will stay? Jews."" Who is she, what position does she hold ? | |||
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" Israeli interviewed by BBC “Her vision for the future of Gaza - now home to 2.3 million Palestinians, many of them starving - is that it will be Jewish. "Gaza Arabs will not stay in the Gaza Strip," she says. "Who will stay? Jews." Who is she, what position does she hold ?" Mrs Weiss heads a radical settler organisation called Nachala, or homeland. But they have cabinet support possibly For some in the Israeli cabinet, the Palestinian territory - now drenched in blood - is ripe for resettlement. That includes Israel's hard-right National Security Minister Itamar Ben Gvir - a settler himself. In late January, he made his way through a packed conference hall, slowed by embraces and handshakes. He was among friends - about 1,000 ultranationalists pushing for a return to Gaza at the event entitled Settlement Brings Security. (I'm making no comment other than helping being out some of the points in the article as I've assumed you haven't read it) | |||
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" Israeli interviewed by BBC “Her vision for the future of Gaza - now home to 2.3 million Palestinians, many of them starving - is that it will be Jewish. "Gaza Arabs will not stay in the Gaza Strip," she says. "Who will stay? Jews." Who is she, what position does she hold ?Mrs Weiss heads a radical settler organisation called Nachala, or homeland. But they have cabinet support possibly For some in the Israeli cabinet, the Palestinian territory - now drenched in blood - is ripe for resettlement. That includes Israel's hard-right National Security Minister Itamar Ben Gvir - a settler himself. In late January, he made his way through a packed conference hall, slowed by embraces and handshakes. He was among friends - about 1,000 ultranationalists pushing for a return to Gaza at the event entitled Settlement Brings Security. (I'm making no comment other than helping being out some of the points in the article as I've assumed you haven't read it)" And yet people are still swallowing the Israeli crap of portraying themselves as the victims | |||
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"I think all the Gazans should be allowed to move to the Northwest of Sinai and helped to form a new nation. The entirely of Sinai is massive and has something like half a million inhabitants, and as such there is plenty of room. Keep the area around the Suez canal and the southern part that is predominantly Bedouin, and create a buffer zone between Israel. Furthermore, offer citizenship of this new land to all those living in Judea and Samaria (West Bank) too. They can pick between this or Israeli citizenship, so long as they don't have links to terrorism - additionally encourage Jordan to allow some in too. In order for Egypt to agree, the international community would need to offer a sweetener - like cancellation or a massive reduction on their enormous national debt. Not easy, but it's the only viable solution I can think of that doesn't involve killing all the Jews or all the Muslims." Or they should go back to the land which was taken from them by forced expulsion  | |||
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" Or they should go back to the land which was taken from them by forced expulsion "I meant to say Northeast of Sinai, but you get the gist. Your idea would mean the forced expulsion of 9 million Jews, who would then be left stateless - as the majority of them ended up there, because they were previously expelled from or fled other countries - ironically, including Palestine prior to the Islamic conquests. We need to look to where we are now. | |||
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" Or they should go back to the land which was taken from them by forced expulsion
I meant to say Northeast of Sinai, but you get the gist. Your idea would mean the forced expulsion of 9 million Jews, who would then be left stateless."I think 9 million should be allowed to move to the Northwest of Sinai and helped to form a new nation. The entirely of Sinai is massive and In order for Egypt to agree, the international community would need to offer a sweetener - like cancellation or a massive reduction on their enormous national debt. Create a buffer zone between. Not easy, but it's the only viable solution I can think of | |||
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" Or they should go back to the land which was taken from them by forced expulsion
I meant to say Northeast of Sinai, but you get the gist. Your idea would mean the forced expulsion of 9 million Jews, who would then be left stateless.
I think 9 million should be allowed to move to the Northwest of Sinai and helped to form a new nation. The entirely of Sinai is massive and
In order for Egypt to agree, the international community would need to offer a sweetener - like cancellation or a massive reduction on their enormous national debt. Create a buffer zone between. Not easy, but it's the only viable solution I can think of "Moving the Israeli Jewish population would be ridiculous and not work logistically and they would not be absorbed into even the smallest local population. Besides, they have a greater claim on the territory than Muslim Arabs ever did - Jerusalem was created by David, Jews are named after Judea and the mosque was built on top of the temple. Muhammed never visited Palestine and the prophets he absorbed into his religion were Hebrews. | |||
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" Or they should go back to the land which was taken from them by forced expulsion
I meant to say Northeast of Sinai, but you get the gist. Your idea would mean the forced expulsion of 9 million Jews, who would then be left stateless.
I think 9 million should be allowed to move to the Northwest of Sinai and helped to form a new nation. The entirely of Sinai is massive and
In order for Egypt to agree, the international community would need to offer a sweetener - like cancellation or a massive reduction on their enormous national debt. Create a buffer zone between. Not easy, but it's the only viable solution I can think of
Moving the Israeli Jewish population would be ridiculous and not work logistically and they would not be absorbed into even the smallest local population.
Besides, they have a greater claim on the territory than Muslim Arabs ever did - Jerusalem was created by David, Jews are named after Judea and the mosque was built on top of the temple.
Muhammed never visited Palestine and the prophets he absorbed into his religion were Hebrews.
"You are talking rubbish now. Jerusalem was founded long before that by canaanites who followed pagan religions. Recent DNA studies shows that Muslim and Jewish Arabs both carry same genetics. London was founded by Romans so I guess Romans now in modern day Italy have greater claim to it according to your logic. | |||
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" Or they should go back to the land which was taken from them by forced expulsion
I meant to say Northeast of Sinai, but you get the gist. Your idea would mean the forced expulsion of 9 million Jews, who would then be left stateless.
I think 9 million should be allowed to move to the Northwest of Sinai and helped to form a new nation. The entirely of Sinai is massive and
In order for Egypt to agree, the international community would need to offer a sweetener - like cancellation or a massive reduction on their enormous national debt. Create a buffer zone between. Not easy, but it's the only viable solution I can think of
Moving the Israeli Jewish population would be ridiculous and not work logistically and they would not be absorbed into even the smallest local population.
Besides, they have a greater claim on the territory than Muslim Arabs ever did - Jerusalem was created by David, Jews are named after Judea and the mosque was built on top of the temple.
Muhammed never visited Palestine and the prophets he absorbed into his religion were Hebrews.
You are talking rubbish now.
Jerusalem was founded long before that by canaanites who followed pagan religions. Recent DNA studies shows that Muslim and Jewish Arabs both carry same genetics. London was founded by Romans so I guess Romans now in modern day Italy have greater claim to it according to your logic. "This  | |||
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"I think all the Gazans should be allowed to move to the Northwest of Sinai and helped to form a new nation. The entirely of Sinai is massive and has something like half a million inhabitants, and as such there is plenty of room. Keep the area around the Suez canal and the southern part that is predominantly Bedouin, and create a buffer zone between Israel. Furthermore, offer citizenship of this new land to all those living in Judea and Samaria (West Bank) too. They can pick between this or Israeli citizenship, so long as they don't have links to terrorism - additionally encourage Jordan to allow some in too. In order for Egypt to agree, the international community would need to offer a sweetener - like cancellation or a massive reduction on their enormous national debt. Not easy, but it's the only viable solution I can think of that doesn't involve killing all the Jews or all the Muslims." Why not draw a line West to East from the Med through Jerusalem. Everything north is Palestine (inc portion of West Bank and Golan Heights). Everything south is Israel (inc portion of West Bank and Gaza). Make Jerusalem an international city under UN protection. Palestine then becomes buffer between Israel with Lebanon and Syria. | |||
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"I think all the Gazans should be allowed to move to the Northwest of Sinai and helped to form a new nation. The entirely of Sinai is massive and has something like half a million inhabitants, and as such there is plenty of room. Keep the area around the Suez canal and the southern part that is predominantly Bedouin, and create a buffer zone between Israel. Furthermore, offer citizenship of this new land to all those living in Judea and Samaria (West Bank) too. They can pick between this or Israeli citizenship, so long as they don't have links to terrorism - additionally encourage Jordan to allow some in too. In order for Egypt to agree, the international community would need to offer a sweetener - like cancellation or a massive reduction on their enormous national debt. Not easy, but it's the only viable solution I can think of that doesn't involve killing all the Jews or all the Muslims. Why not draw a line West to East from the Med through Jerusalem. Everything north is Palestine (inc portion of West Bank and Golan Heights). Everything south is Israel (inc portion of West Bank and Gaza). Make Jerusalem an international city under UN protection. Palestine then becomes buffer between Israel with Lebanon and Syria." I was of course being simplistic as would not expect Israel to give up Tel Aviv. So being more specific draw the line west to east from Netanya to Nabius then South to Jerusalem then east again to Kaiya and Dead Sea. | |||
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"Isreal is holding back food, water , medical supplies while *lying* to the world that they're doing all they can " Why should Israel provide anything at all to a group of people that tries to attack them? | |||
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"London was founded by Romans so I guess Romans now in modern day Italy have greater claim to it according to your logic. " London existed as a settlement before Roman occupation. But, Italians do not claim London as a homeland, it is not in their religion, their seasonal calendars, their customs, their prayers etc. They have a homeland in Italy, just as Jews have a homeland in Israel - their ONLY homeland. Arabs have twenty or more countries they claim as their own - and probably want more. The fight for Israel is the fight for Jerusalem - it always has been religious, but it's painted as a humanitarian quest to sell it to the masses. Muslims hate Jews, it's an awkward truth, but on a visceral level, it is the truth. Islam - at least in the way it manifests in the Middle East - is a vile religion given to us by a fake paedo-prophet that opresses women and homosexuals, endorses medieval punishments and represses freedom of speech. We need less of that in the world. | |||
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"London was founded by Romans so I guess Romans now in modern day Italy have greater claim to it according to your logic. London existed as a settlement before Roman occupation. But, Italians do not claim London as a homeland, it is not in their religion, their seasonal calendars, their customs, their prayers etc. They have a homeland in Italy, just as Jews have a homeland in Israel - their ONLY homeland. Arabs have twenty or more countries they claim as their own - and probably want more. The fight for Israel is the fight for Jerusalem - it always has been religious, but it's painted as a humanitarian quest to sell it to the masses. Muslims hate Jews, it's an awkward truth, but on a visceral level, it is the truth. Islam - at least in the way it manifests in the Middle East - is a vile religion given to us by a fake paedo-prophet that opresses women and homosexuals, endorses medieval punishments and represses freedom of speech. We need less of that in the world." So we are talking about your imaginary friend in the sky now lol. If god exists wouldn't he be the biggest piece of shit to ever exist? There are four types of capital punishment under Torah law: burning, stoning, decapitation and strangulation. One fine example, for instance, to an adulterous woman. If a husband alleged that his wife was not a virgin when they got married and his charges were proven, she was to be stoned at the door of her father's house (Deut 22:21).  | |||
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"Isreal is holding back food, water , medical supplies while *lying* to the world that they're doing all they can Why should Israel provide anything at all to a group of people that tries to attack them?" Quite right they should bomb as many women and children as possible, then we should try to shut down anyone who suggests that mass killing civilians is a bad thing. | |||
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"London was founded by Romans so I guess Romans now in modern day Italy have greater claim to it according to your logic. London existed as a settlement before Roman occupation. But, Italians do not claim London as a homeland, it is not in their religion, their seasonal calendars, their customs, their prayers etc. They have a homeland in Italy, just as Jews have a homeland in Israel - their ONLY homeland. Arabs have twenty or more countries they claim as their own - and probably want more. The fight for Israel is the fight for Jerusalem - it always has been religious, but it's painted as a humanitarian quest to sell it to the masses. Muslims hate Jews, it's an awkward truth, but on a visceral level, it is the truth. Islam - at least in the way it manifests in the Middle East - is a vile religion given to us by a fake paedo-prophet that opresses women and homosexuals, endorses medieval punishments and represses freedom of speech. We need less of that in the world. So we are talking about your imaginary friend in the sky now lol. If god exists wouldn't he be the biggest piece of shit to ever exist? There are four types of capital punishment under Torah law: burning, stoning, decapitation and strangulation. One fine example, for instance, to an adulterous woman. If a husband alleged that his wife was not a virgin when they got married and his charges were proven, she was to be stoned at the door of her father's house (Deut 22:21). "Oh I forgot to mention Leviticus 20:13 — King James Version 13. If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. | |||
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"Are we playing “my religion is less evil than your religion” or some such game now?" Not really. I don’t believe in such crap. All Abrahamic religions promote violence  | |||
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"My religion is better than all others... It's called Religion is fucking nonsense. " I agree | |||
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"London was founded by Romans so I guess Romans now in modern day Italy have greater claim to it according to your logic. London existed as a settlement before Roman occupation. But, Italians do not claim London as a homeland, it is not in their religion, their seasonal calendars, their customs, their prayers etc. They have a homeland in Italy, just as Jews have a homeland in Israel - their ONLY homeland. Arabs have twenty or more countries they claim as their own - and probably want more. The fight for Israel is the fight for Jerusalem - it always has been religious, but it's painted as a humanitarian quest to sell it to the masses. Muslims hate Jews, it's an awkward truth, but on a visceral level, it is the truth. Islam - at least in the way it manifests in the Middle East - is a vile religion given to us by a fake paedo-prophet that opresses women and homosexuals, endorses medieval punishments and represses freedom of speech. We need less of that in the world. So we are talking about your imaginary friend in the sky now lol. If god exists wouldn't he be the biggest piece of shit to ever exist? There are four types of capital punishment under Torah law: burning, stoning, decapitation and strangulation. One fine example, for instance, to an adulterous woman. If a husband alleged that his wife was not a virgin when they got married and his charges were proven, she was to be stoned at the door of her father's house (Deut 22:21).
Oh I forgot to mention
Leviticus 20:13 — King James Version 13.
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
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"Isreal is holding back food, water , medical supplies while *lying* to the world that they're doing all they can Why should Israel provide anything at all to a group of people that tries to attack them?" Ah so your saying that palistine has land invaded by isreali settlers, yet do not have the right to resist the illegal nvasion documented by the UN. Isreal has killed many palisitinians as an occupying force over the years. Secondly, children and babies are not attacking Isreal, yet being collectively punished which is a war crime in itself and rightly so. While I don't condone innocent people being killed I do support any people in the world where their land is forcibly and illegally taken by another. The IDF and other foreign invading forces are legitimate targets for hamas. | |||
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"Benjamin Netanyahu’s document “The Day After Hamas Principles.” It outlines what amounts to plans for the de facto annexation of Gaza in the aftermath of Israel’s genocidal war against the Palestinians, as well as tighter control over the Israeli-occupied West Bank. As the plan declares, Israel will maintain military control indefinitely of “all of the territory west of the Jordan” River. The Israeli military has laid waste to cities and towns throughout Gaza. One estimate released by the BBC in January 2024 suggests that between 144,000 and 175,000 buildings in the enclave have either been damaged or destroyed—that is, between 50 percent and 61 percent of the total. Since this article aid to northern Gaza has been banned, to speed up the deaths of those civilians left there. This and Rafah concentration camp holding 1.4 million displaced people is Israel’s final solution for Palestine. " And the Isreali propoganda machine will blame everyone else for it. This is outrageous that the ongoing genocide is going ahead while Joe Biden could do more, and that little shit rishi Sunak says and does absolutely nothing about it | |||
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"So we are talking about your imaginary friend in the sky now lol. If god exists wouldn't he be the biggest piece of shit to ever exist? There are four types of capital punishment under Torah law: burning, stoning, decapitation and strangulation. One fine example, for instance, to an adulterous woman. If a husband alleged that his wife was not a virgin when they got married and his charges were proven, she was to be stoned at the door of her father's house (Deut 22:21). "I'm not Jewish, but I know enough to understand that Islam is in need of reform. Judaism and Christianity have already been through their reforms, but Islam seems to be moving backwards. Israel is run under secular law; the only working democracy in the Middle East, with freedoms that Islamic countries could only dream of. | |||
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"Since this article aid to northern Gaza has been banned, to speed up the deaths of those civilians left there. This and Rafah concentration camp holding 1.4 million displaced people is Israel’s final solution for Palestine. " Forgeting you're obvious hyperbole for one moment, Hamas needs to be removed to secure Israel's future. Do you agree with that, or are you a Hamas supporter? If you're not a Hammas supporter, what do you think would be a proportionate response to a terrorist attack then? Maybe you think they should drag 1400 civilians out into the streets and r?pe and mutilate them or something? | |||
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"Oh I forgot to mention Leviticus 20:13 — King James Version 13. If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. " Yes, but the only religion that actually practices or promotes such rules is Islam. Every other religion has grown up with the times, except for Islam, which seems to be moving backwards. | |||
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"Isreal is holding back food, water , medical supplies while *lying* to the world that they're doing all they can Why should Israel provide anything at all to a group of people that tries to attack them? Ah so your saying that palistine has land invaded by isreali settlers, yet do not have the right to resist the illegal nvasion documented by the UN. Isreal has killed many palisitinians as an occupying force over the years. Secondly, children and babies are not attacking Isreal, yet being collectively punished which is a war crime in itself and rightly so. While I don't condone innocent people being killed I do support any people in the world where their land is forcibly and illegally taken by another. The IDF and other foreign invading forces are legitimate targets for hamas. " There was no illegal invasion - stop making shit up to support your arguments. | |||
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"Isreal is holding back food, water , medical supplies while *lying* to the world that they're doing all they can Why should Israel provide anything at all to a group of people that tries to attack them? Quite right they should bomb as many women and children as possible, then we should try to shut down anyone who suggests that mass killing civilians is a bad thing. " That is entirely on Hamas for building military infrastructure in heavily populated areas -- they created this with the backing of Iran, and if they want it to stop, then all they have to do is release their hostages. | |||
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"Isreal is holding back food, water , medical supplies while *lying* to the world that they're doing all they can Why should Israel provide anything at all to a group of people that tries to attack them? Quite right they should bomb as many women and children as possible, then we should try to shut down anyone who suggests that mass killing civilians is a bad thing. That is entirely on Hamas for building military infrastructure in heavily populated areas -- they created this with the backing of Iran, and if they want it to stop, then all they have to do is release their hostages." Exactly. Israel have no choice but to execute as many Palestinian kids as possible. | |||
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" Judaism and Christianity have already been through their reforms, but Islam seems to be moving backwards." So you do agree that Men who wrote those books were retarded dickheads | |||
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" Judaism and Christianity have already been through their reforms, but Islam seems to be moving backwards. So you do agree that Men who wrote those books were retarded dickheads "I'd say it was more likely that they were clever conmen, that found a way to set people against each other, do as they wanted them to do, and gain an incredible amount of power and wealth doing so. In this modern age the retards are the ones that still fall for it all. | |||
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"Isreal is holding back food, water , medical supplies while *lying* to the world that they're doing all they can Why should Israel provide anything at all to a group of people that tries to attack them? Quite right they should bomb as many women and children as possible, then we should try to shut down anyone who suggests that mass killing civilians is a bad thing. That is entirely on Hamas for building military infrastructure in heavily populated areas -- they created this with the backing of Iran, and if they want it to stop, then all they have to do is release their hostages." And Isreal to release its hostages too .. including minors ffs! | |||
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"Isreal is holding back food, water , medical supplies while *lying* to the world that they're doing all they can Why should Israel provide anything at all to a group of people that tries to attack them? Ah so your saying that palistine has land invaded by isreali settlers, yet do not have the right to resist the illegal nvasion documented by the UN. Isreal has killed many palisitinians as an occupying force over the years. Secondly, children and babies are not attacking Isreal, yet being collectively punished which is a war crime in itself and rightly so. While I don't condone innocent people being killed I do support any people in the world where their land is forcibly and illegally taken by another. The IDF and other foreign invading forces are legitimate targets for hamas. There was no illegal invasion - stop making shit up to support your arguments." Oh dear. So the UN are wrong then. Thanks for sharing your opinion. Just shows how ignorant your other posts are | |||
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"I think all the Gazans should be allowed to move to the Northwest of Sinai and helped to form a new nation. The entirely of Sinai is massive and has something like half a million inhabitants, and as such there is plenty of room. Keep the area around the Suez canal and the southern part that is predominantly Bedouin, and create a buffer zone between Israel. Furthermore, offer citizenship of this new land to all those living in Judea and Samaria (West Bank) too. They can pick between this or Israeli citizenship, so long as they don't have links to terrorism - additionally encourage Jordan to allow some in too. In order for Egypt to agree, the international community would need to offer a sweetener - like cancellation or a massive reduction on their enormous national debt. Not easy, but it's the only viable solution I can think of that doesn't involve killing all the Jews or all the Muslims." Wow. your so fuckin generous arnt you..!
Better idea.. call it "new Isreal" and move it there.. into the fekin desert where netanyahu and his killers can live.
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" Or they should go back to the land which was taken from them by forced expulsion
I meant to say Northeast of Sinai, but you get the gist.
Your idea would mean the forced expulsion of 9 million Jews, who would then be left stateless - as the majority of them ended up there, because they were previously expelled from or fled other countries - ironically, including Palestine prior to the Islamic conquests.
We need to look to where we are now."If the palisitinians move from palistine into the Sinai desert , they'll need to rehplant their ancient olive trees, Will they grow well in the arid sands of the Sinai desert? Fuuuuukin hell! I'll have a pint of what your having! | |||
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" Judaism and Christianity have already been through their reforms, but Islam seems to be moving backwards. So you do agree that Men who wrote those books were retarded dickheads "People of their time responding to and trying to explain the world (and protect their own world) in the way they could understand it. It's the people who interpret it as a literal rulebook for today's world who are the problem. | |||
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"I think all the Gazans should be allowed to move to the Northwest of Sinai and helped to form a new nation. The entirely of Sinai is massive and has something like half a million inhabitants, and as such there is plenty of room. Keep the area around the Suez canal and the southern part that is predominantly Bedouin, and create a buffer zone between Israel. Furthermore, offer citizenship of this new land to all those living in Judea and Samaria (West Bank) too. They can pick between this or Israeli citizenship, so long as they don't have links to terrorism - additionally encourage Jordan to allow some in too. In order for Egypt to agree, the international community would need to offer a sweetener - like cancellation or a massive reduction on their enormous national debt. Not easy, but it's the only viable solution I can think of that doesn't involve killing all the Jews or all the Muslims. Wow. your so fuckin generous arnt you..!
Better idea.. call it "new Isreal" and move it there.. into the fekin desert where netanyahu and his killers can live.
fookin hell!!"The very first violence against Jews in Eretz Israel was Muslim against Jew and not vice versa. | |||
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" If the palisitinians move from palistine into the Sinai desert , they'll need to rehplant their ancient olive trees, Will they grow well in the arid sands of the Sinai desert? Fuuuuukin hell! I'll have a pint of what your having! " Maybe they should get some irrigation lessons from Israel then, considering it was the Zionist settlers who irrigated and made the land fertile again. Also, they're fucking trees. | |||
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" If the palisitinians move from palistine into the Sinai desert , they'll need to rehplant their ancient olive trees, Will they grow well in the arid sands of the Sinai desert? Fuuuuukin hell! I'll have a pint of what your having! Maybe they should get some irrigation lessons from Israel then, considering it was the Zionist settlers who irrigated and made the land fertile again. Also, they're fucking trees. " I think you should apply for the IDF. That need advisors like you on how to expand their territory. Here's a better proposition.. The palisitinians keep the land they're on and the colonial Israelis learn how to live in the fucking desert ! or The isrealis get out of the land they're stealing from palistine and be content with the land that was taken for them by us from the palisitinians and stop being like the Nazis in ww2 | |||
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" Israeli interviewed by BBC “Her vision for the future of Gaza - now home to 2.3 million Palestinians, many of them starving - is that it will be Jewish. "Gaza Arabs will not stay in the Gaza Strip," she says. "Who will stay? Jews." Who is she, what position does she hold ?Mrs Weiss heads a radical settler organisation called Nachala, or homeland. But they have cabinet support possibly For some in the Israeli cabinet, the Palestinian territory - now drenched in blood - is ripe for resettlement. That includes Israel's hard-right National Security Minister Itamar Ben Gvir - a settler himself. In late January, he made his way through a packed conference hall, slowed by embraces and handshakes. He was among friends - about 1,000 ultranationalists pushing for a return to Gaza at the event entitled Settlement Brings Security. (I'm making no comment other than helping being out some of the points in the article as I've assumed you haven't read it) And yet people are still swallowing the Israeli crap of portraying themselves as the victims " NOT to support Israeli victimhood makes you an ANTI-SEMITE  | |||
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" Israeli interviewed by BBC “Her vision for the future of Gaza - now home to 2.3 million Palestinians, many of them starving - is that it will be Jewish. "Gaza Arabs will not stay in the Gaza Strip," she says. "Who will stay? Jews." Who is she, what position does she hold ?Mrs Weiss heads a radical settler organisation called Nachala, or homeland. But they have cabinet support possibly For some in the Israeli cabinet, the Palestinian territory - now drenched in blood - is ripe for resettlement. That includes Israel's hard-right National Security Minister Itamar Ben Gvir - a settler himself. In late January, he made his way through a packed conference hall, slowed by embraces and handshakes. He was among friends - about 1,000 ultranationalists pushing for a return to Gaza at the event entitled Settlement Brings Security. (I'm making no comment other than helping being out some of the points in the article as I've assumed you haven't read it) And yet people are still swallowing the Israeli crap of portraying themselves as the victims NOT to support Israeli victimhood makes you an ANTI-SEMITE "Isrealis like to portray themsel as victims. A bit like Hitler did by taking czechoslovakia etc.. claiming to be re-uniting Germanic peoples.. same playbook in another era | |||
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" Israeli interviewed by BBC “Her vision for the future of Gaza - now home to 2.3 million Palestinians, many of them starving - is that it will be Jewish. "Gaza Arabs will not stay in the Gaza Strip," she says. "Who will stay? Jews." Who is she, what position does she hold ?Mrs Weiss heads a radical settler organisation called Nachala, or homeland. But they have cabinet support possibly For some in the Israeli cabinet, the Palestinian territory - now drenched in blood - is ripe for resettlement. That includes Israel's hard-right National Security Minister Itamar Ben Gvir - a settler himself. In late January, he made his way through a packed conference hall, slowed by embraces and handshakes. He was among friends - about 1,000 ultranationalists pushing for a return to Gaza at the event entitled Settlement Brings Security. (I'm making no comment other than helping being out some of the points in the article as I've assumed you haven't read it) And yet people are still swallowing the Israeli crap of portraying themselves as the victims NOT to support Israeli victimhood makes you an ANTI-SEMITE
Isrealis like to portray themsel as victims. A bit like Hitler did by taking czechoslovakia etc.. claiming to be re-uniting Germanic peoples.. same playbook in another era"This doesn't make any sense, what is the meaning of the comparison you are making here? | |||
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" Isrealis like to portray themsel as victims. A bit like Hitler did by taking czechoslovakia etc.. claiming to be re-uniting Germanic peoples.. same playbook in another era" Nearly every Israeli alive today is descended from victims of European Pogroms, The holocaust or from mass expulsions and flights from Middle Eastern countries. If you think Israelis are nothing but random settlers who swanned into the country on a whim, you are absolutely antisemitic. | |||
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" or The isrealis get out of the land they're stealing from palistine and be content with the land that was taken for them by us from the palisitinians and stop being like the Nazis in ww2" Except it wasn't stoIen, and calling Israelis 'Nazis' is just a very sad and obvious attempt to cause hurt to Jews. | |||
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" Isrealis like to portray themsel as victims. A bit like Hitler did by taking czechoslovakia etc.. claiming to be re-uniting Germanic peoples.. same playbook in another era Nearly every Israeli alive today is descended from victims of European Pogroms, The holocaust or from mass expulsions and flights from Middle Eastern countries. If you think Israelis are nothing but random settlers who swanned into the country on a whim, you are absolutely antisemitic." How did they swan into the country? | |||
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" or The isrealis get out of the land they're stealing from palistine and be content with the land that was taken for them by us from the palisitinians and stop being like the Nazis in ww2 Except it wasn't stoIen, and calling Israelis 'Nazis' is just a very sad and obvious attempt to cause hurt to Jews." That's right. Can't hurt a Jewish persons feelings. Relentlessly bombing Palestinian kids is cool though. | |||
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" Isrealis like to portray themsel as victims. A bit like Hitler did by taking czechoslovakia etc.. claiming to be re-uniting Germanic peoples.. same playbook in another era Nearly every Israeli alive today is descended from victims of European Pogroms, The holocaust or from mass expulsions and flights from Middle Eastern countries. If you think Israelis are nothing but random settlers who swanned into the country on a whim, you are absolutely antisemitic." while I'm not going to get drawn into the nazi side of the debate, this does surface some of the challenges. The argument and issues one side have are similar to the others. Rights, ancestors, persecution and religion. Eg can't plead the same direct descendant case for original Jews that came because of the pogroms. So what was their nonrandom claim to the land. As I understand it, it is because their ancestors used to live there. But how far back can one go ? And does that trump those who were living their in the meantime. Who have direct descendants that were living there? As you appear are arguing that is a reason for arguing a right to be there and fight for the land. And how much of any argument is because of religion. I often wonder what this debate would look like without talking about locations of religious sites and promised lands. | |||
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" Nearly every Israeli alive today is descended from victims of European Pogroms, The holocaust or from mass expulsions and flights from Middle Eastern countries. If you think Israelis are nothing but random settlers who swanned into the country on a whim, you are absolutely antisemitic." Stop playing a victim card and accuse others of antisemitism when they criticise Israel. | |||
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" Nearly every Israeli alive today is descended from victims of European Pogroms, The holocaust or from mass expulsions and flights from Middle Eastern countries. If you think Israelis are nothing but random settlers who swanned into the country on a whim, you are absolutely antisemitic. Stop playing a victim card and accuse others of antisemitism when they criticise Israel. " I'm not the victim here - for a start, I am not Jewish. There is a difference between criticising Israel's internal policies and government and criticising the existence of Israel. Stating or alluding to any idea that Israel should be dismantled implies that you want to displace or kill the vast majority of the World's Jewish people - and that is antisemitism. | |||
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" That's right. Can't hurt a Jewish persons feelings. " Nobody should be immune from criticism, but deliberately using language designed to hurt people because of their ethnicity is pretty vile tbh. | |||
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" Nearly every Israeli alive today is descended from victims of European Pogroms, The holocaust or from mass expulsions and flights from Middle Eastern countries. If you think Israelis are nothing but random settlers who swanned into the country on a whim, you are absolutely antisemitic. Stop playing a victim card and accuse others of antisemitism when they criticise Israel. I'm not the victim here - for a start, I am not Jewish. There is a difference between criticising Israel's internal policies and government and criticising the existence of Israel. Stating or alluding to any idea that Israel should be dismantled implies that you want to displace or kill the vast majority of the World's Jewish people - and that is antisemitism. " No one asking for killing of Jews. Stop twisting the facts. If you support apartheid then you are war monger, racist, genocide supporter Islamophobe. | |||
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" Nearly every Israeli alive today is descended from victims of European Pogroms, The holocaust or from mass expulsions and flights from Middle Eastern countries. If you think Israelis are nothing but random settlers who swanned into the country on a whim, you are absolutely antisemitic. Stop playing a victim card and accuse others of antisemitism when they criticise Israel. I'm not the victim here - for a start, I am not Jewish. There is a difference between criticising Israel's internal policies and government and criticising the existence of Israel. Stating or alluding to any idea that Israel should be dismantled implies that you want to displace or kill the vast majority of the World's Jewish people - and that is antisemitism. No one asking for killing of Jews. Stop twisting the facts. If you support apartheid then you are war monger, racist, genocide supporter Islamophobe. " He said displace or kill, plenty have called for Jews to be displaced on these forums. There's twisting words and then there's not being able to read. | |||
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" Nearly every Israeli alive today is descended from victims of European Pogroms, The holocaust or from mass expulsions and flights from Middle Eastern countries. If you think Israelis are nothing but random settlers who swanned into the country on a whim, you are absolutely antisemitic. Stop playing a victim card and accuse others of antisemitism when they criticise Israel. I'm not the victim here - for a start, I am not Jewish. There is a difference between criticising Israel's internal policies and government and criticising the existence of Israel. Stating or alluding to any idea that Israel should be dismantled implies that you want to displace or kill the vast majority of the World's Jewish people - and that is antisemitism. No one asking for killing of Jews. Stop twisting the facts. If you support apartheid then you are war monger, racist, genocide supporter Islamophobe. He said displace or kill, plenty have called for Jews to be displaced on these forums. There's twisting words and then there's not being able to read. " " I think all the Gazans should be allowed to move to the Northwest of Sinai and helped to form a new nation. The entirely of Sinai is massive and has something like half a million inhabitants, and as such there is plenty of room. " Are you serious? Maybe you are unable to read | |||
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" Nearly every Israeli alive today is descended from victims of European Pogroms, The holocaust or from mass expulsions and flights from Middle Eastern countries. If you think Israelis are nothing but random settlers who swanned into the country on a whim, you are absolutely antisemitic. Stop playing a victim card and accuse others of antisemitism when they criticise Israel. I'm not the victim here - for a start, I am not Jewish. There is a difference between criticising Israel's internal policies and government and criticising the existence of Israel. Stating or alluding to any idea that Israel should be dismantled implies that you want to displace or kill the vast majority of the World's Jewish people - and that is antisemitism. No one asking for killing of Jews. Stop twisting the facts. If you support apartheid then you are war monger, racist, genocide supporter Islamophobe. He said displace or kill, plenty have called for Jews to be displaced on these forums. There's twisting words and then there's not being able to read. I think all the Gazans should be allowed to move to the Northwest of Sinai and helped to form a new nation. The entirely of Sinai is massive and has something like half a million inhabitants, and as such there is plenty of room. Are you serious? Maybe you are unable to read "lol
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" Nearly every Israeli alive today is descended from victims of European Pogroms, The holocaust or from mass expulsions and flights from Middle Eastern countries. If you think Israelis are nothing but random settlers who swanned into the country on a whim, you are absolutely antisemitic. Stop playing a victim card and accuse others of antisemitism when they criticise Israel. I'm not the victim here - for a start, I am not Jewish. There is a difference between criticising Israel's internal policies and government and criticising the existence of Israel. Stating or alluding to any idea that Israel should be dismantled implies that you want to displace or kill the vast majority of the World's Jewish people - and that is antisemitism. No one asking for killing of Jews. Stop twisting the facts. If you support apartheid then you are war monger, racist, genocide supporter Islamophobe. " Hamas, the governing body of Gaza is definitely asking to kill Jews. They even reward any Palestinian for doing this, Mrs x | |||
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" Nearly every Israeli alive today is descended from victims of European Pogroms, The holocaust or from mass expulsions and flights from Middle Eastern countries. If you think Israelis are nothing but random settlers who swanned into the country on a whim, you are absolutely antisemitic. Stop playing a victim card and accuse others of antisemitism when they criticise Israel. I'm not the victim here - for a start, I am not Jewish. There is a difference between criticising Israel's internal policies and government and criticising the existence of Israel. Stating or alluding to any idea that Israel should be dismantled implies that you want to displace or kill the vast majority of the World's Jewish people - and that is antisemitism. No one asking for killing of Jews. Stop twisting the facts. If you support apartheid then you are war monger, racist, genocide supporter Islamophobe. Hamas, the governing body of Gaza is definitely asking to kill Jews. They even reward any Palestinian for doing this, Mrs x" I have seen that posted a few times now about Palestinians being offered money to kill Jews. Where does this come from, may I ask? Also is it jews in military service or does it include ordinary citizens too. | |||
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" Nearly every Israeli alive today is descended from victims of European Pogroms, The holocaust or from mass expulsions and flights from Middle Eastern countries. If you think Israelis are nothing but random settlers who swanned into the country on a whim, you are absolutely antisemitic. Stop playing a victim card and accuse others of antisemitism when they criticise Israel. I'm not the victim here - for a start, I am not Jewish. There is a difference between criticising Israel's internal policies and government and criticising the existence of Israel. Stating or alluding to any idea that Israel should be dismantled implies that you want to displace or kill the vast majority of the World's Jewish people - and that is antisemitism. No one asking for killing of Jews. Stop twisting the facts. If you support apartheid then you are war monger, racist, genocide supporter Islamophobe. Hamas, the governing body of Gaza is definitely asking to kill Jews. They even reward any Palestinian for doing this, Mrs x I have seen that posted a few times now about Palestinians being offered money to kill Jews. Where does this come from, may I ask? Also is it jews in military service or does it include ordinary citizens too. " Pay for slay Palestinian Authority Martyrs Fund | |||
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" Nearly every Israeli alive today is descended from victims of European Pogroms, The holocaust or from mass expulsions and flights from Middle Eastern countries. If you think Israelis are nothing but random settlers who swanned into the country on a whim, you are absolutely antisemitic. Stop playing a victim card and accuse others of antisemitism when they criticise Israel. I'm not the victim here - for a start, I am not Jewish. There is a difference between criticising Israel's internal policies and government and criticising the existence of Israel. Stating or alluding to any idea that Israel should be dismantled implies that you want to displace or kill the vast majority of the World's Jewish people - and that is antisemitism. No one asking for killing of Jews. Stop twisting the facts. If you support apartheid then you are war monger, racist, genocide supporter Islamophobe. Hamas, the governing body of Gaza is definitely asking to kill Jews. They even reward any Palestinian for doing this, Mrs x" I doubt that's true.. certainly not for ordinary citizens firstly, the only Israelis in Gaza are armed military, Secondly they will need more than rocks or a big cooking pot to kill one one of them Thirdly, do they then need to drag a dead Israeli to the nearest hamas office to get paid? | |||
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" is it jews in military service or does it include ordinary citizens too. " Israel has compulsory National Service; all Jews are considered military targets. | |||
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" I think all the Gazans should be allowed to move to the Northwest of Sinai and helped to form a new nation. The entirely of Sinai is massive and has something like half a million inhabitants, and as such there is plenty of room. Are you serious? Maybe you are unable to read "Yes, I am aware of what I said. Building a new, alternative state in a transformed Sinai would offer a better standard of living than they have now. Iranian backed Islamists would have less power over people who are prospering in a new, well funded province - whereas now, they are not prospering. They are also the same ethnicity to Jordanians and Egyptians, and as such they're more likely to be able to assimilate and find acceptance than the Israeli Jews. It's not ideal, but what they have now is not even close to ideal - it is, however, a more practical and achievable solution than displacing 9 million Israelis. | |||
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" I think all the Gazans should be allowed to move to the Northwest of Sinai and helped to form a new nation. The entirely of Sinai is massive and has something like half a million inhabitants, and as such there is plenty of room. Are you serious? Maybe you are unable to read
Yes, I am aware of what I said.
Building a new, alternative state in a transformed Sinai would offer a better standard of living than they have now.
Iranian backed Islamists would have less power over people who are prospering in a new, well funded province - whereas now, they are not prospering.
They are also the same ethnicity to Jordanians and Egyptians, and as such they're more likely to be able to assimilate and find acceptance than the Israeli Jews.
It's not ideal, but what they have now is not even close to ideal - it is, however, a more practical and achievable solution than displacing 9 million Israelis."This is all just bullcrap ! A crude method of "Gish galloping" ... A tactic to distract from the mass murder currently being undertaking by the IDF.. All we get is : October 7, babies murdered, r4pes, etc. Without any evidence and expected to take the IDF's word for it all.. while No journalists are allowed into Gaza to cover up the atrocities committed by the IDF. | |||
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" I think all the Gazans should be allowed to move to the Northwest of Sinai and helped to form a new nation. The entirely of Sinai is massive and has something like half a million inhabitants, and as such there is plenty of room. Are you serious? Maybe you are unable to read
Yes, I am aware of what I said.
Building a new, alternative state in a transformed Sinai would offer a better standard of living than they have now.
Iranian backed Islamists would have less power over people who are prospering in a new, well funded province - whereas now, they are not prospering.
They are also the same ethnicity to Jordanians and Egyptians, and as such they're more likely to be able to assimilate and find acceptance than the Israeli Jews.
It's not ideal, but what they have now is not even close to ideal - it is, however, a more practical and achievable solution than displacing 9 million Israelis.
This is all just bullcrap !
A crude method of "Gish galloping" ...
A tactic to distract from the mass murder currently being undertaking by the IDF..
All we get is : October 7, babies murdered, r4pes, etc.
Without any evidence and expected to take the IDF's word for it all.. while
No journalists are allowed into Gaza to cover up the atrocities committed by the IDF.
"Just as we're supposed to take Hamas' word on their death toll? Do you know how they arrive at their figure? | |||
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" I think all the Gazans should be allowed to move to the Northwest of Sinai and helped to form a new nation. The entirely of Sinai is massive and has something like half a million inhabitants, and as such there is plenty of room. Are you serious? Maybe you are unable to read
Yes, I am aware of what I said.
Building a new, alternative state in a transformed Sinai would offer a better standard of living than they have now.
Iranian backed Islamists would have less power over people who are prospering in a new, well funded province - whereas now, they are not prospering.
They are also the same ethnicity to Jordanians and Egyptians, and as such they're more likely to be able to assimilate and find acceptance than the Israeli Jews.
It's not ideal, but what they have now is not even close to ideal - it is, however, a more practical and achievable solution than displacing 9 million Israelis.
This is all just bullcrap !
A crude method of "Gish galloping" ...
A tactic to distract from the mass murder currently being undertaking by the IDF..
All we get is : October 7, babies murdered, r4pes, etc.
Without any evidence and expected to take the IDF's word for it all.. while
No journalists are allowed into Gaza to cover up the atrocities committed by the IDF.
Just as we're supposed to take Hamas' word on their death toll?
Do you know how they arrive at their figure?"I agree.. But I know that dropping 2000 pound unguided bombs on densely populated areas is likely to result in casualties. Have a look at Gaza now .. there's nothing left. | |||
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" I think all the Gazans should be allowed to move to the Northwest of Sinai and helped to form a new nation. The entirely of Sinai is massive and has something like half a million inhabitants, and as such there is plenty of room. Are you serious? Maybe you are unable to read
Yes, I am aware of what I said.
Building a new, alternative state in a transformed Sinai would offer a better standard of living than they have now.
Iranian backed Islamists would have less power over people who are prospering in a new, well funded province - whereas now, they are not prospering.
They are also the same ethnicity to Jordanians and Egyptians, and as such they're more likely to be able to assimilate and find acceptance than the Israeli Jews.
It's not ideal, but what they have now is not even close to ideal - it is, however, a more practical and achievable solution than displacing 9 million Israelis.
This is all just bullcrap !
A crude method of "Gish galloping" ...
A tactic to distract from the mass murder currently being undertaking by the IDF..
All we get is : October 7, babies murdered, r4pes, etc.
Without any evidence and expected to take the IDF's word for it all.. while
No journalists are allowed into Gaza to cover up the atrocities committed by the IDF.
Just as we're supposed to take Hamas' word on their death toll?
Do you know how they arrive at their figure?
I agree..
But I know that dropping 2000 pound unguided bombs on densely populated areas is likely to result in casualties. Have a look at Gaza now .. there's nothing left.
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" I think all the Gazans should be allowed to move to the Northwest of Sinai and helped to form a new nation. The entirely of Sinai is massive and has something like half a million inhabitants, and as such there is plenty of room. Are you serious? Maybe you are unable to read
Yes, I am aware of what I said.
Building a new, alternative state in a transformed Sinai would offer a better standard of living than they have now.
Iranian backed Islamists would have less power over people who are prospering in a new, well funded province - whereas now, they are not prospering.
They are also the same ethnicity to Jordanians and Egyptians, and as such they're more likely to be able to assimilate and find acceptance than the Israeli Jews.
It's not ideal, but what they have now is not even close to ideal - it is, however, a more practical and achievable solution than displacing 9 million Israelis.
This is all just bullcrap !
A crude method of "Gish galloping" ...
A tactic to distract from the mass murder currently being undertaking by the IDF..
All we get is : October 7, babies murdered, r4pes, etc.
Without any evidence and expected to take the IDF's word for it all.. while
No journalists are allowed into Gaza to cover up the atrocities committed by the IDF.
Just as we're supposed to take Hamas' word on their death toll?
Do you know how they arrive at their figure?
I agree..
But I know that dropping 2000 pound unguided bombs on densely populated areas is likely to result in casualties. Have a look at Gaza now .. there's nothing left.
You agree with what?
Do you believe there have been over 30k deaths in Gaza?
If so, are you aware how Hamas reach this figure?"- I agree about hamas's figures - 30k deaths is as reliable as the IDF accounts.. though I do know that 2000 pound unguided bombs can injure / kill anyone within 300 metres and the Isrealis have dropped a lot of em. - no I don't | |||
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" I think all the Gazans should be allowed to move to the Northwest of Sinai and helped to form a new nation. The entirely of Sinai is massive and has something like half a million inhabitants, and as such there is plenty of room. Are you serious? Maybe you are unable to read
Yes, I am aware of what I said.
Building a new, alternative state in a transformed Sinai would offer a better standard of living than they have now.
Iranian backed Islamists would have less power over people who are prospering in a new, well funded province - whereas now, they are not prospering.
They are also the same ethnicity to Jordanians and Egyptians, and as such they're more likely to be able to assimilate and find acceptance than the Israeli Jews.
It's not ideal, but what they have now is not even close to ideal - it is, however, a more practical and achievable solution than displacing 9 million Israelis.
This is all just bullcrap !
A crude method of "Gish galloping" ...
A tactic to distract from the mass murder currently being undertaking by the IDF..
All we get is : October 7, babies murdered, r4pes, etc.
Without any evidence and expected to take the IDF's word for it all.. while
No journalists are allowed into Gaza to cover up the atrocities committed by the IDF.
Just as we're supposed to take Hamas' word on their death toll?
Do you know how they arrive at their figure?
I agree..
But I know that dropping 2000 pound unguided bombs on densely populated areas is likely to result in casualties. Have a look at Gaza now .. there's nothing left.
You agree with what?
Do you believe there have been over 30k deaths in Gaza?
If so, are you aware how Hamas reach this figure?
- I agree about hamas's figures
- 30k deaths is as reliable as the IDF accounts.. though I do know that 2000 pound unguided bombs can injure / kill anyone within 300 metres and the Isrealis have dropped a lot of em.
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" Nearly every Israeli alive today is descended from victims of European Pogroms, The holocaust or from mass expulsions and flights from Middle Eastern countries. If you think Israelis are nothing but random settlers who swanned into the country on a whim, you are absolutely antisemitic. Stop playing a victim card and accuse others of antisemitism when they criticise Israel. I'm not the victim here - for a start, I am not Jewish. There is a difference between criticising Israel's internal policies and government and criticising the existence of Israel. Stating or alluding to any idea that Israel should be dismantled implies that you want to displace or kill the vast majority of the World's Jewish people - and that is antisemitism. No one asking for killing of Jews. Stop twisting the facts. If you support apartheid then you are war monger, racist, genocide supporter Islamophobe. Hamas, the governing body of Gaza is definitely asking to kill Jews. They even reward any Palestinian for doing this, Mrs x I doubt that's true.. certainly not for ordinary citizens firstly, the only Israelis in Gaza are armed military, Secondly they will need more than rocks or a big cooking pot to kill one one of them Thirdly, do they then need to drag a dead Israeli to the nearest hamas office to get paid? " Do you only read and watch information given from one side. You seem to be very childish in your responses to opinions and facts you do not like or don't fit your narrative. So here's a fact, one such fund is called the Palestinian Authority Martyrs Fund, paying for acts of terrorism, one such one being suicide bombing, which doesn't just kill military personnel but innocent civilians as well. This is payment for murder. Hamas operates such a fund and has done since before taking over in Gaza. Fatah, in the West Bank, has one too. The PLO have charge of such schemes too. I apologise for bringing these facts to your attention but if you bothered to do a little research you could find things out for yourself, rather than just quote others from one side only. As for your last comment I don't believe they have to drag a dead Israeli body anywhere to get rewarded from this fund. After a suicide bombing there's not much of anything left to drag anywhere. Mrs x | |||
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" Nearly every Israeli alive today is descended from victims of European Pogroms, The holocaust or from mass expulsions and flights from Middle Eastern countries. If you think Israelis are nothing but random settlers who swanned into the country on a whim, you are absolutely antisemitic. Stop playing a victim card and accuse others of antisemitism when they criticise Israel. I'm not the victim here - for a start, I am not Jewish. There is a difference between criticising Israel's internal policies and government and criticising the existence of Israel. Stating or alluding to any idea that Israel should be dismantled implies that you want to displace or kill the vast majority of the World's Jewish people - and that is antisemitism. No one asking for killing of Jews. Stop twisting the facts. If you support apartheid then you are war monger, racist, genocide supporter Islamophobe. Hamas, the governing body of Gaza is definitely asking to kill Jews. They even reward any Palestinian for doing this, Mrs x I doubt that's true.. certainly not for ordinary citizens firstly, the only Israelis in Gaza are armed military, Secondly they will need more than rocks or a big cooking pot to kill one one of them Thirdly, do they then need to drag a dead Israeli to the nearest hamas office to get paid? Do you only read and watch information given from one side. You seem to be very childish in your responses to opinions and facts you do not like or don't fit your narrative. So here's a fact, one such fund is called the Palestinian Authority Martyrs Fund, paying for acts of terrorism, one such one being suicide bombing, which doesn't just kill military personnel but innocent civilians as well. This is payment for murder. Hamas operates such a fund and has done since before taking over in Gaza. Fatah, in the West Bank, has one too. The PLO have charge of such schemes too. I apologise for bringing these facts to your attention but if you bothered to do a little research you could find things out for yourself, rather than just quote others from one side only. As for your last comment I don't believe they have to drag a dead Israeli body anywhere to get rewarded from this fund. After a suicide bombing there's not much of anything left to drag anywhere. Mrs x " I assume the families of the suicide bomber get the pay out otherwise the fund remains pretty static? | |||
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" Israeli interviewed by BBC “Her vision for the future of Gaza - now home to 2.3 million Palestinians, many of them starving - is that it will be Jewish. "Gaza Arabs will not stay in the Gaza Strip," she says. "Who will stay? Jews."" Another masterpiece from the BBC! Lets find the absolute outlier and write a news story promoting their extreme views, that should stir up more hatred at this moment in time. Who sanctioned this, and who thought what a great idea to publish the pathetic ideals of an extremist? Was it a Palestine supporter pushing hard inside the BBC, or just bad decisions, again? Either way looking at this thread, they got what they set out to do... | |||
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" Nearly every Israeli alive today is descended from victims of European Pogroms, The holocaust or from mass expulsions and flights from Middle Eastern countries. If you think Israelis are nothing but random settlers who swanned into the country on a whim, you are absolutely antisemitic. Stop playing a victim card and accuse others of antisemitism when they criticise Israel. I'm not the victim here - for a start, I am not Jewish. There is a difference between criticising Israel's internal policies and government and criticising the existence of Israel. Stating or alluding to any idea that Israel should be dismantled implies that you want to displace or kill the vast majority of the World's Jewish people - and that is antisemitism. No one asking for killing of Jews. Stop twisting the facts. If you support apartheid then you are war monger, racist, genocide supporter Islamophobe. Hamas, the governing body of Gaza is definitely asking to kill Jews. They even reward any Palestinian for doing this, Mrs x I doubt that's true.. certainly not for ordinary citizens firstly, the only Israelis in Gaza are armed military, Secondly they will need more than rocks or a big cooking pot to kill one one of them Thirdly, do they then need to drag a dead Israeli to the nearest hamas office to get paid? Do you only read and watch information given from one side. You seem to be very childish in your responses to opinions and facts you do not like or don't fit your narrative. So here's a fact, one such fund is called the Palestinian Authority Martyrs Fund, paying for acts of terrorism, one such one being suicide bombing, which doesn't just kill military personnel but innocent civilians as well. This is payment for murder. Hamas operates such a fund and has done since before taking over in Gaza. Fatah, in the West Bank, has one too. The PLO have charge of such schemes too. I apologise for bringing these facts to your attention but if you bothered to do a little research you could find things out for yourself, rather than just quote others from one side only. As for your last comment I don't believe they have to drag a dead Israeli body anywhere to get rewarded from this fund. After a suicide bombing there's not much of anything left to drag anywhere. Mrs x I assume the families of the suicide bomber get the pay out otherwise the fund remains pretty static?" You'd think so, but it's not just for suicide bombings any murder will do, Mrs x | |||
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" Nearly every Israeli alive today is descended from victims of European Pogroms, The holocaust or from mass expulsions and flights from Middle Eastern countries. If you think Israelis are nothing but random settlers who swanned into the country on a whim, you are absolutely antisemitic. Stop playing a victim card and accuse others of antisemitism when they criticise Israel. I'm not the victim here - for a start, I am not Jewish. There is a difference between criticising Israel's internal policies and government and criticising the existence of Israel. Stating or alluding to any idea that Israel should be dismantled implies that you want to displace or kill the vast majority of the World's Jewish people - and that is antisemitism. No one asking for killing of Jews. Stop twisting the facts. If you support apartheid then you are war monger, racist, genocide supporter Islamophobe. Hamas, the governing body of Gaza is definitely asking to kill Jews. They even reward any Palestinian for doing this, Mrs x I doubt that's true.. certainly not for ordinary citizens firstly, the only Israelis in Gaza are armed military, Secondly they will need more than rocks or a big cooking pot to kill one one of them Thirdly, do they then need to drag a dead Israeli to the nearest hamas office to get paid? Do you only read and watch information given from one side. You seem to be very childish in your responses to opinions and facts you do not like or don't fit your narrative. So here's a fact, one such fund is called the Palestinian Authority Martyrs Fund, paying for acts of terrorism, one such one being suicide bombing, which doesn't just kill military personnel but innocent civilians as well. This is payment for murder. Hamas operates such a fund and has done since before taking over in Gaza. Fatah, in the West Bank, has one too. The PLO have charge of such schemes too. I apologise for bringing these facts to your attention but if you bothered to do a little research you could find things out for yourself, rather than just quote others from one side only. As for your last comment I don't believe they have to drag a dead Israeli body anywhere to get rewarded from this fund. After a suicide bombing there's not much of anything left to drag anywhere. Mrs x I assume the families of the suicide bomber get the pay out otherwise the fund remains pretty static?You'd think so, but it's not just for suicide bombings any murder will do, Mrs x" I was being a little facetious but yeah. As long as both sides continue acting like murderous assholes this cannot ever be settled. | |||
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" Nearly every Israeli alive today is descended from victims of European Pogroms, The holocaust or from mass expulsions and flights from Middle Eastern countries. If you think Israelis are nothing but random settlers who swanned into the country on a whim, you are absolutely antisemitic. Stop playing a victim card and accuse others of antisemitism when they criticise Israel. I'm not the victim here - for a start, I am not Jewish. There is a difference between criticising Israel's internal policies and government and criticising the existence of Israel. Stating or alluding to any idea that Israel should be dismantled implies that you want to displace or kill the vast majority of the World's Jewish people - and that is antisemitism. No one asking for killing of Jews. Stop twisting the facts. If you support apartheid then you are war monger, racist, genocide supporter Islamophobe. Hamas, the governing body of Gaza is definitely asking to kill Jews. They even reward any Palestinian for doing this, Mrs x I doubt that's true.. certainly not for ordinary citizens firstly, the only Israelis in Gaza are armed military, Secondly they will need more than rocks or a big cooking pot to kill one one of them Thirdly, do they then need to drag a dead Israeli to the nearest hamas office to get paid? Do you only read and watch information given from one side. You seem to be very childish in your responses to opinions and facts you do not like or don't fit your narrative. So here's a fact, one such fund is called the Palestinian Authority Martyrs Fund, paying for acts of terrorism, one such one being suicide bombing, which doesn't just kill military personnel but innocent civilians as well. This is payment for murder. Hamas operates such a fund and has done since before taking over in Gaza. Fatah, in the West Bank, has one too. The PLO have charge of such schemes too. I apologise for bringing these facts to your attention but if you bothered to do a little research you could find things out for yourself, rather than just quote others from one side only. As for your last comment I don't believe they have to drag a dead Israeli body anywhere to get rewarded from this fund. After a suicide bombing there's not much of anything left to drag anywhere. Mrs x I assume the families of the suicide bomber get the pay out otherwise the fund remains pretty static?You'd think so, but it's not just for suicide bombings any murder will do, Mrs x I was being a little facetious but yeah. As long as both sides continue acting like murderous assholes this cannot ever be settled." It will never be settled whilst one side sticks to the 3 No's agreed by the Arab League in 1967. It's a tragedy that one side has it ingrained within their ideology to not want to come to terms with the other side. Mrs x | |||
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" Nearly every Israeli alive today is descended from victims of European Pogroms, The holocaust or from mass expulsions and flights from Middle Eastern countries. If you think Israelis are nothing but random settlers who swanned into the country on a whim, you are absolutely antisemitic. Stop playing a victim card and accuse others of antisemitism when they criticise Israel. I'm not the victim here - for a start, I am not Jewish. There is a difference between criticising Israel's internal policies and government and criticising the existence of Israel. Stating or alluding to any idea that Israel should be dismantled implies that you want to displace or kill the vast majority of the World's Jewish people - and that is antisemitism. No one asking for killing of Jews. Stop twisting the facts. If you support apartheid then you are war monger, racist, genocide supporter Islamophobe. Hamas, the governing body of Gaza is definitely asking to kill Jews. They even reward any Palestinian for doing this, Mrs x I doubt that's true.. certainly not for ordinary citizens firstly, the only Israelis in Gaza are armed military, Secondly they will need more than rocks or a big cooking pot to kill one one of them Thirdly, do they then need to drag a dead Israeli to the nearest hamas office to get paid? Do you only read and watch information given from one side. You seem to be very childish in your responses to opinions and facts you do not like or don't fit your narrative. So here's a fact, one such fund is called the Palestinian Authority Martyrs Fund, paying for acts of terrorism, one such one being suicide bombing, which doesn't just kill military personnel but innocent civilians as well. This is payment for murder. Hamas operates such a fund and has done since before taking over in Gaza. Fatah, in the West Bank, has one too. The PLO have charge of such schemes too. I apologise for bringing these facts to your attention but if you bothered to do a little research you could find things out for yourself, rather than just quote others from one side only. As for your last comment I don't believe they have to drag a dead Israeli body anywhere to get rewarded from this fund. After a suicide bombing there's not much of anything left to drag anywhere. Mrs x I assume the families of the suicide bomber get the pay out otherwise the fund remains pretty static?You'd think so, but it's not just for suicide bombings any murder will do, Mrs x I was being a little facetious but yeah. As long as both sides continue acting like murderous assholes this cannot ever be settled.It will never be settled whilst one side sticks to the 3 No's agreed by the Arab League in 1967. It's a tragedy that one side has it ingrained within their ideology to not want to come to terms with the other side. Mrs x" I say there is blame and provocation on both sides. I say extremists are evil and normal ordinary people always suffer. | |||
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" is it jews in military service or does it include ordinary citizens too. Israel has compulsory National Service; all Jews are considered military targets." This seems like an odd thing to say while you're defending mass killings of civilians, women and children. | |||
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" I think all the Gazans should be allowed to move to the Northwest of Sinai and helped to form a new nation. The entirely of Sinai is massive and has something like half a million inhabitants, and as such there is plenty of room. Are you serious? Maybe you are unable to read
Yes, I am aware of what I said.
Building a new, alternative state in a transformed Sinai would offer a better standard of living than they have now.
Iranian backed Islamists would have less power over people who are prospering in a new, well funded province - whereas now, they are not prospering.
They are also the same ethnicity to Jordanians and Egyptians, and as such they're more likely to be able to assimilate and find acceptance than the Israeli Jews.
It's not ideal, but what they have now is not even close to ideal - it is, however, a more practical and achievable solution than displacing 9 million Israelis.
This is all just bullcrap !
A crude method of "Gish galloping" ...
A tactic to distract from the mass murder currently being undertaking by the IDF..
All we get is : October 7, babies murdered, r4pes, etc.
Without any evidence and expected to take the IDF's word for it all.. while
No journalists are allowed into Gaza to cover up the atrocities committed by the IDF.
Just as we're supposed to take Hamas' word on their death toll?
Do you know how they arrive at their figure?"One by one, israel’s stories claims of deliberate atrocities by Palestinian fighters beheading children, r4ping women, using hospitals as military bases. have been debunked. Many of the Israeli civilians Israel claims were killed by Palestinian fighters on Oct. 7 were actually killed by the Israeli military. They were the victims of indiscriminate and massive Israeli tank and helicopter bombardment. Israeli pilots could not distinguish clearly between Palestinian combatants and Israeli civilians but decided to open fire anyway. Apache helicopter pilots fired continuously without intelligence on targets. Tank crews were ordered to shell homes, even though Israeli hostages might be inside. A military commander even ordered an air attack on his own base when he learned it had been overrun by Palestinian fighters. Also numbers have been heavily exaggerated. | |||
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" I think all the Gazans should be allowed to move to the Northwest of Sinai and helped to form a new nation. The entirely of Sinai is massive and has something like half a million inhabitants, and as such there is plenty of room. Are you serious? Maybe you are unable to read
Yes, I am aware of what I said.
Building a new, alternative state in a transformed Sinai would offer a better standard of living than they have now.
Iranian backed Islamists would have less power over people who are prospering in a new, well funded province - whereas now, they are not prospering.
They are also the same ethnicity to Jordanians and Egyptians, and as such they're more likely to be able to assimilate and find acceptance than the Israeli Jews.
It's not ideal, but what they have now is not even close to ideal - it is, however, a more practical and achievable solution than displacing 9 million Israelis.
This is all just bullcrap !
A crude method of "Gish galloping" ...
A tactic to distract from the mass murder currently being undertaking by the IDF..
All we get is : October 7, babies murdered, r4pes, etc.
Without any evidence and expected to take the IDF's word for it all.. while
No journalists are allowed into Gaza to cover up the atrocities committed by the IDF.
Just as we're supposed to take Hamas' word on their death toll?
Do you know how they arrive at their figure?
One by one, israel’s stories claims of deliberate atrocities by Palestinian fighters beheading children, r4ping women, using hospitals as military bases. have been debunked. Many of the Israeli civilians Israel claims were killed by Palestinian fighters on Oct. 7 were actually killed by the Israeli military. They were the victims of indiscriminate and massive Israeli tank and helicopter bombardment. Israeli pilots could not distinguish clearly between Palestinian combatants and Israeli civilians but decided to open fire anyway. Apache helicopter pilots fired continuously without intelligence on targets. Tank crews were ordered to shell homes, even though Israeli hostages might be inside. A military commander even ordered an air attack on his own base when he learned it had been overrun by Palestinian fighters. Also numbers have been heavily exaggerated. "What does any of that have to do with my questions? | |||
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" I think all the Gazans should be allowed to move to the Northwest of Sinai and helped to form a new nation. The entirely of Sinai is massive and has something like half a million inhabitants, and as such there is plenty of room. Are you serious? Maybe you are unable to read
Yes, I am aware of what I said.
Building a new, alternative state in a transformed Sinai would offer a better standard of living than they have now.
Iranian backed Islamists would have less power over people who are prospering in a new, well funded province - whereas now, they are not prospering.
They are also the same ethnicity to Jordanians and Egyptians, and as such they're more likely to be able to assimilate and find acceptance than the Israeli Jews.
It's not ideal, but what they have now is not even close to ideal - it is, however, a more practical and achievable solution than displacing 9 million Israelis.
This is all just bullcrap !
A crude method of "Gish galloping" ...
A tactic to distract from the mass murder currently being undertaking by the IDF..
All we get is : October 7, babies murdered, r4pes, etc.
Without any evidence and expected to take the IDF's word for it all.. while
No journalists are allowed into Gaza to cover up the atrocities committed by the IDF.
Just as we're supposed to take Hamas' word on their death toll?
Do you know how they arrive at their figure?
I agree..
But I know that dropping 2000 pound unguided bombs on densely populated areas is likely to result in casualties. Have a look at Gaza now .. there's nothing left.
You agree with what?
Do you believe there have been over 30k deaths in Gaza?
If so, are you aware how Hamas reach this figure?
- I agree about hamas's figures
- 30k deaths is as reliable as the IDF accounts.. though I do know that 2000 pound unguided bombs can injure / kill anyone within 300 metres and the Isrealis have dropped a lot of em.
- no I don't
That doesn't answer my question...
Do you believe the figure?
"I genuinely cannot trust a word the IDF says about anything. They are war criminals and carrying out a Genocide in Gaza. | |||
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"“What we’re watching on real time global television is the destruction of life, wanton destruction of life in Gaza. “And our governments still can’t bring themselves to utter the words permanent ceasefire, still can’t bring themselves to stop the grisly, ghastly arms trade with Israel and the supply of weapons that goes from factories in France, in Germany, in this country and the USA, which are killing people in Gaza.” Said Jeremy Corbyn 32,705 Palestinians have been killed by Israel 75,190 injured in Israeli strikes 19,000 Ophans 70% of casualties women and children Another 1,400,000 incarcerated and starving War crimes on a biblical scale not seen since 1939. World doing nothing. " This is not a flippant comment, an observation on the numbers being quoted. Casualties running at 70% for woman and children? Casualties and injured: If 75190 are injuries, and 70% of casualties are woman and children is it safe to say that 52633 woman and children have been injured? The remaining 22557 must be injured men? This is a strange statistic, a bomb would not choose who lives and dies. | |||
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"“What we’re watching on real time global television is the destruction of life, wanton destruction of life in Gaza. “And our governments still can’t bring themselves to utter the words permanent ceasefire, still can’t bring themselves to stop the grisly, ghastly arms trade with Israel and the supply of weapons that goes from factories in France, in Germany, in this country and the USA, which are killing people in Gaza.” Said Jeremy Corbyn 32,705 Palestinians have been killed by Israel 75,190 injured in Israeli strikes 19,000 Ophans 70% of casualties women and children Another 1,400,000 incarcerated and starving War crimes on a biblical scale not seen since 1939. World doing nothing. " War crimes not seen on this scale since 1939? Rwanda, Iraq against the Kurds, Kymer Rouge in Cambodia just to name a few. It's rhetoric like this that inflames hatred on both sides. Hamas is a Terrorist organisation, the IDF is an army. You can choose to commit terrorism but its harder to not follow orders. It's an absolute tragedy that any civilian should lose their life but Hamas are using their population as human shields, knowing that they are putting them in harms way. While the Arabs continue with the 3 No's, they will continue support for attacks against Israel and Israel will retaliate. Mrs x | |||
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" I think all the Gazans should be allowed to move to the Northwest of Sinai and helped to form a new nation. The entirely of Sinai is massive and has something like half a million inhabitants, and as such there is plenty of room. Are you serious? Maybe you are unable to read
Yes, I am aware of what I said.
Building a new, alternative state in a transformed Sinai would offer a better standard of living than they have now.
Iranian backed Islamists would have less power over people who are prospering in a new, well funded province - whereas now, they are not prospering.
They are also the same ethnicity to Jordanians and Egyptians, and as such they're more likely to be able to assimilate and find acceptance than the Israeli Jews.
It's not ideal, but what they have now is not even close to ideal - it is, however, a more practical and achievable solution than displacing 9 million Israelis.
This is all just bullcrap !
A crude method of "Gish galloping" ...
A tactic to distract from the mass murder currently being undertaking by the IDF..
All we get is : October 7, babies murdered, r4pes, etc.
Without any evidence and expected to take the IDF's word for it all.. while
No journalists are allowed into Gaza to cover up the atrocities committed by the IDF.
Just as we're supposed to take Hamas' word on their death toll?
Do you know how they arrive at their figure?
I agree..
But I know that dropping 2000 pound unguided bombs on densely populated areas is likely to result in casualties. Have a look at Gaza now .. there's nothing left.
You agree with what?
Do you believe there have been over 30k deaths in Gaza?
If so, are you aware how Hamas reach this figure?
- I agree about hamas's figures
- 30k deaths is as reliable as the IDF accounts.. though I do know that 2000 pound unguided bombs can injure / kill anyone within 300 metres and the Isrealis have dropped a lot of em.
- no I don't
That doesn't answer my question...
Do you believe the figure?
I genuinely cannot trust a word the IDF says about anything. They are war criminals and carrying out a Genocide in Gaza. "I asked whether we should believe Hamas. I didn't ask about the IDF. | |||
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" I think all the Gazans should be allowed to move to the Northwest of Sinai and helped to form a new nation. The entirely of Sinai is massive and has something like half a million inhabitants, and as such there is plenty of room. Are you serious? Maybe you are unable to read
Yes, I am aware of what I said.
Building a new, alternative state in a transformed Sinai would offer a better standard of living than they have now.
Iranian backed Islamists would have less power over people who are prospering in a new, well funded province - whereas now, they are not prospering.
They are also the same ethnicity to Jordanians and Egyptians, and as such they're more likely to be able to assimilate and find acceptance than the Israeli Jews.
It's not ideal, but what they have now is not even close to ideal - it is, however, a more practical and achievable solution than displacing 9 million Israelis.
This is all just bullcrap !
A crude method of "Gish galloping" ...
A tactic to distract from the mass murder currently being undertaking by the IDF..
All we get is : October 7, babies murdered, r4pes, etc.
Without any evidence and expected to take the IDF's word for it all.. while
No journalists are allowed into Gaza to cover up the atrocities committed by the IDF.
Just as we're supposed to take Hamas' word on their death toll?
Do you know how they arrive at their figure?
I agree..
But I know that dropping 2000 pound unguided bombs on densely populated areas is likely to result in casualties. Have a look at Gaza now .. there's nothing left.
You agree with what?
Do you believe there have been over 30k deaths in Gaza?
If so, are you aware how Hamas reach this figure?
- I agree about hamas's figures
- 30k deaths is as reliable as the IDF accounts.. though I do know that 2000 pound unguided bombs can injure / kill anyone within 300 metres and the Isrealis have dropped a lot of em.
- no I don't
That doesn't answer my question...
Do you believe the figure?
I genuinely cannot trust a word the IDF says about anything. They are war criminals and carrying out a Genocide in Gaza.
I asked whether we should believe Hamas. I didn't ask about the IDF."“Truth is the first casualty of war” You won’t get a straight answer. Personally I think Hamas lie and the IDF lie. I don’t see either side admitting to their mistakes. There is no such thing as a civilised war. Both sides are guilty of killing innocent people. | |||
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" Hamas is a Terrorist organisation, the IDF is an army. You can choose to commit terrorism but it’s harder to not follow orders. Mrs x" IDF is a terrorist organisation and behaves like one. British citizens are being recruited to the Israeli Defence Forces (IDF) to take part in Israeli military operations in full combat roles through the Mahal volunteer programme. 16/17 years old from disadvantaged backgrounds recruited through charities funded by Israeli government in North London. Range of grave criminal acts and international crimes that are committed in IDF, it is possible that these Britons could be actively involved in war crimes. Now which regular army recruits foreign nationals to serve and commit crimes. Do you support that? | |||
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" I think all the Gazans should be allowed to move to the Northwest of Sinai and helped to form a new nation. The entirely of Sinai is massive and has something like half a million inhabitants, and as such there is plenty of room. Are you serious? Maybe you are unable to read
Yes, I am aware of what I said.
Building a new, alternative state in a transformed Sinai would offer a better standard of living than they have now.
Iranian backed Islamists would have less power over people who are prospering in a new, well funded province - whereas now, they are not prospering.
They are also the same ethnicity to Jordanians and Egyptians, and as such they're more likely to be able to assimilate and find acceptance than the Israeli Jews.
It's not ideal, but what they have now is not even close to ideal - it is, however, a more practical and achievable solution than displacing 9 million Israelis.
This is all just bullcrap !
A crude method of "Gish galloping" ...
A tactic to distract from the mass murder currently being undertaking by the IDF..
All we get is : October 7, babies murdered, r4pes, etc.
Without any evidence and expected to take the IDF's word for it all.. while
No journalists are allowed into Gaza to cover up the atrocities committed by the IDF.
Just as we're supposed to take Hamas' word on their death toll?
Do you know how they arrive at their figure?
I agree..
But I know that dropping 2000 pound unguided bombs on densely populated areas is likely to result in casualties. Have a look at Gaza now .. there's nothing left.
You agree with what?
Do you believe there have been over 30k deaths in Gaza?
If so, are you aware how Hamas reach this figure?
- I agree about hamas's figures
- 30k deaths is as reliable as the IDF accounts.. though I do know that 2000 pound unguided bombs can injure / kill anyone within 300 metres and the Isrealis have dropped a lot of em.
- no I don't
That doesn't answer my question...
Do you believe the figure?
I genuinely cannot trust a word the IDF says about anything. They are war criminals and carrying out a Genocide in Gaza.
I asked whether we should believe Hamas. I didn't ask about the IDF."My question to you is Do you believe that 1200 killed on 7th October? I dont think so and numbers are highly exaggerated and most people killed by IDF. | |||
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" I think all the Gazans should be allowed to move to the Northwest of Sinai and helped to form a new nation. The entirely of Sinai is massive and has something like half a million inhabitants, and as such there is plenty of room. Are you serious? Maybe you are unable to read
Yes, I am aware of what I said.
Building a new, alternative state in a transformed Sinai would offer a better standard of living than they have now.
Iranian backed Islamists would have less power over people who are prospering in a new, well funded province - whereas now, they are not prospering.
They are also the same ethnicity to Jordanians and Egyptians, and as such they're more likely to be able to assimilate and find acceptance than the Israeli Jews.
It's not ideal, but what they have now is not even close to ideal - it is, however, a more practical and achievable solution than displacing 9 million Israelis.
This is all just bullcrap !
A crude method of "Gish galloping" ...
A tactic to distract from the mass murder currently being undertaking by the IDF..
All we get is : October 7, babies murdered, r4pes, etc.
Without any evidence and expected to take the IDF's word for it all.. while
No journalists are allowed into Gaza to cover up the atrocities committed by the IDF.
Just as we're supposed to take Hamas' word on their death toll?
Do you know how they arrive at their figure?
I agree..
But I know that dropping 2000 pound unguided bombs on densely populated areas is likely to result in casualties. Have a look at Gaza now .. there's nothing left.
You agree with what?
Do you believe there have been over 30k deaths in Gaza?
If so, are you aware how Hamas reach this figure?
- I agree about hamas's figures
- 30k deaths is as reliable as the IDF accounts.. though I do know that 2000 pound unguided bombs can injure / kill anyone within 300 metres and the Isrealis have dropped a lot of em.
- no I don't
That doesn't answer my question...
Do you believe the figure?
"Hamas's figures are as reliable as the IDF accounts which isn't reliable either | |||
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" I think all the Gazans should be allowed to move to the Northwest of Sinai and helped to form a new nation. The entirely of Sinai is massive and has something like half a million inhabitants, and as such there is plenty of room. Are you serious? Maybe you are unable to read
Yes, I am aware of what I said.
Building a new, alternative state in a transformed Sinai would offer a better standard of living than they have now.
Iranian backed Islamists would have less power over people who are prospering in a new, well funded province - whereas now, they are not prospering.
They are also the same ethnicity to Jordanians and Egyptians, and as such they're more likely to be able to assimilate and find acceptance than the Israeli Jews.
It's not ideal, but what they have now is not even close to ideal - it is, however, a more practical and achievable solution than displacing 9 million Israelis.
This is all just bullcrap !
A crude method of "Gish galloping" ...
A tactic to distract from the mass murder currently being undertaking by the IDF..
All we get is : October 7, babies murdered, r4pes, etc.
Without any evidence and expected to take the IDF's word for it all.. while
No journalists are allowed into Gaza to cover up the atrocities committed by the IDF.
Just as we're supposed to take Hamas' word on their death toll?
Do you know how they arrive at their figure?
I agree..
But I know that dropping 2000 pound unguided bombs on densely populated areas is likely to result in casualties. Have a look at Gaza now .. there's nothing left.
You agree with what?
Do you believe there have been over 30k deaths in Gaza?
If so, are you aware how Hamas reach this figure?
- I agree about hamas's figures
- 30k deaths is as reliable as the IDF accounts.. though I do know that 2000 pound unguided bombs can injure / kill anyone within 300 metres and the Isrealis have dropped a lot of em.
- no I don't
That doesn't answer my question...
Do you believe the figure?
I genuinely cannot trust a word the IDF says about anything. They are war criminals and carrying out a Genocide in Gaza.
I asked whether we should believe Hamas. I didn't ask about the IDF."The IDF and hamas figures are equally sketchy. Shame the IDF won't let journalists in.. what do the IDF have to hide?! | |||
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" I think all the Gazans should be allowed to move to the Northwest of Sinai and helped to form a new nation. The entirely of Sinai is massive and has something like half a million inhabitants, and as such there is plenty of room. Are you serious? Maybe you are unable to read
Yes, I am aware of what I said.
Building a new, alternative state in a transformed Sinai would offer a better standard of living than they have now.
Iranian backed Islamists would have less power over people who are prospering in a new, well funded province - whereas now, they are not prospering.
They are also the same ethnicity to Jordanians and Egyptians, and as such they're more likely to be able to assimilate and find acceptance than the Israeli Jews.
It's not ideal, but what they have now is not even close to ideal - it is, however, a more practical and achievable solution than displacing 9 million Israelis.
This is all just bullcrap !
A crude method of "Gish galloping" ...
A tactic to distract from the mass murder currently being undertaking by the IDF..
All we get is : October 7, babies murdered, r4pes, etc.
Without any evidence and expected to take the IDF's word for it all.. while
No journalists are allowed into Gaza to cover up the atrocities committed by the IDF.
Just as we're supposed to take Hamas' word on their death toll?
Do you know how they arrive at their figure?
I agree..
But I know that dropping 2000 pound unguided bombs on densely populated areas is likely to result in casualties. Have a look at Gaza now .. there's nothing left.
You agree with what?
Do you believe there have been over 30k deaths in Gaza?
If so, are you aware how Hamas reach this figure?
- I agree about hamas's figures
- 30k deaths is as reliable as the IDF accounts.. though I do know that 2000 pound unguided bombs can injure / kill anyone within 300 metres and the Isrealis have dropped a lot of em.
- no I don't
That doesn't answer my question...
Do you believe the figure?
I genuinely cannot trust a word the IDF says about anything. They are war criminals and carrying out a Genocide in Gaza.
I asked whether we should believe Hamas. I didn't ask about the IDF.
My question to you is Do you believe that 1200 killed on 7th October? I dont think so and numbers are highly exaggerated and most people killed by IDF. "Nothing but whataboutery then? If you don't want to answer the question that's cool, just day so. | |||
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" I think all the Gazans should be allowed to move to the Northwest of Sinai and helped to form a new nation. The entirely of Sinai is massive and has something like half a million inhabitants, and as such there is plenty of room. Are you serious? Maybe you are unable to read
Yes, I am aware of what I said.
Building a new, alternative state in a transformed Sinai would offer a better standard of living than they have now.
Iranian backed Islamists would have less power over people who are prospering in a new, well funded province - whereas now, they are not prospering.
They are also the same ethnicity to Jordanians and Egyptians, and as such they're more likely to be able to assimilate and find acceptance than the Israeli Jews.
It's not ideal, but what they have now is not even close to ideal - it is, however, a more practical and achievable solution than displacing 9 million Israelis.
This is all just bullcrap !
A crude method of "Gish galloping" ...
A tactic to distract from the mass murder currently being undertaking by the IDF..
All we get is : October 7, babies murdered, r4pes, etc.
Without any evidence and expected to take the IDF's word for it all.. while
No journalists are allowed into Gaza to cover up the atrocities committed by the IDF.
Just as we're supposed to take Hamas' word on their death toll?
Do you know how they arrive at their figure?
I agree..
But I know that dropping 2000 pound unguided bombs on densely populated areas is likely to result in casualties. Have a look at Gaza now .. there's nothing left.
You agree with what?
Do you believe there have been over 30k deaths in Gaza?
If so, are you aware how Hamas reach this figure?
- I agree about hamas's figures
- 30k deaths is as reliable as the IDF accounts.. though I do know that 2000 pound unguided bombs can injure / kill anyone within 300 metres and the Isrealis have dropped a lot of em.
- no I don't
That doesn't answer my question...
Do you believe the figure?
Hamas's figures are as reliable as the IDF accounts which isn't reliable either"So you don't believe the figure then? | |||
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" I think all the Gazans should be allowed to move to the Northwest of Sinai and helped to form a new nation. The entirely of Sinai is massive and has something like half a million inhabitants, and as such there is plenty of room. Are you serious? Maybe you are unable to read
Yes, I am aware of what I said.
Building a new, alternative state in a transformed Sinai would offer a better standard of living than they have now.
Iranian backed Islamists would have less power over people who are prospering in a new, well funded province - whereas now, they are not prospering.
They are also the same ethnicity to Jordanians and Egyptians, and as such they're more likely to be able to assimilate and find acceptance than the Israeli Jews.
It's not ideal, but what they have now is not even close to ideal - it is, however, a more practical and achievable solution than displacing 9 million Israelis.
This is all just bullcrap !
A crude method of "Gish galloping" ...
A tactic to distract from the mass murder currently being undertaking by the IDF..
All we get is : October 7, babies murdered, r4pes, etc.
Without any evidence and expected to take the IDF's word for it all.. while
No journalists are allowed into Gaza to cover up the atrocities committed by the IDF.
Just as we're supposed to take Hamas' word on their death toll?
Do you know how they arrive at their figure?
I agree..
But I know that dropping 2000 pound unguided bombs on densely populated areas is likely to result in casualties. Have a look at Gaza now .. there's nothing left.
You agree with what?
Do you believe there have been over 30k deaths in Gaza?
If so, are you aware how Hamas reach this figure?
- I agree about hamas's figures
- 30k deaths is as reliable as the IDF accounts.. though I do know that 2000 pound unguided bombs can injure / kill anyone within 300 metres and the Isrealis have dropped a lot of em.
- no I don't
That doesn't answer my question...
Do you believe the figure?
I genuinely cannot trust a word the IDF says about anything. They are war criminals and carrying out a Genocide in Gaza.
I asked whether we should believe Hamas. I didn't ask about the IDF.
My question to you is Do you believe that 1200 killed on 7th October? I dont think so and numbers are highly exaggerated and most people killed by IDF.
Nothing but whataboutery then?
If you don't want to answer the question that's cool, just day so. "The "Whataboutery' accusation is the last defence of a hypocrite. | |||
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" I think all the Gazans should be allowed to move to the Northwest of Sinai and helped to form a new nation. The entirely of Sinai is massive and has something like half a million inhabitants, and as such there is plenty of room. Are you serious? Maybe you are unable to read
Yes, I am aware of what I said.
Building a new, alternative state in a transformed Sinai would offer a better standard of living than they have now.
Iranian backed Islamists would have less power over people who are prospering in a new, well funded province - whereas now, they are not prospering.
They are also the same ethnicity to Jordanians and Egyptians, and as such they're more likely to be able to assimilate and find acceptance than the Israeli Jews.
It's not ideal, but what they have now is not even close to ideal - it is, however, a more practical and achievable solution than displacing 9 million Israelis.
This is all just bullcrap !
A crude method of "Gish galloping" ...
A tactic to distract from the mass murder currently being undertaking by the IDF..
All we get is : October 7, babies murdered, r4pes, etc.
Without any evidence and expected to take the IDF's word for it all.. while
No journalists are allowed into Gaza to cover up the atrocities committed by the IDF.
Just as we're supposed to take Hamas' word on their death toll?
Do you know how they arrive at their figure?
I agree..
But I know that dropping 2000 pound unguided bombs on densely populated areas is likely to result in casualties. Have a look at Gaza now .. there's nothing left.
You agree with what?
Do you believe there have been over 30k deaths in Gaza?
If so, are you aware how Hamas reach this figure?
- I agree about hamas's figures
- 30k deaths is as reliable as the IDF accounts.. though I do know that 2000 pound unguided bombs can injure / kill anyone within 300 metres and the Isrealis have dropped a lot of em.
- no I don't
That doesn't answer my question...
Do you believe the figure?
I genuinely cannot trust a word the IDF says about anything. They are war criminals and carrying out a Genocide in Gaza.
I asked whether we should believe Hamas. I didn't ask about the IDF.
My question to you is Do you believe that 1200 killed on 7th October? I dont think so and numbers are highly exaggerated and most people killed by IDF.
Nothing but whataboutery then?
If you don't want to answer the question that's cool, just day so.
The "Whataboutery' accusation is the last defence of a hypocrite.
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" Hamas is a Terrorist organisation, the IDF is an army. You can choose to commit terrorism but it’s harder to not follow orders. Mrs x IDF is a terrorist organisation and behaves like one. British citizens are being recruited to the Israeli Defence Forces (IDF) to take part in Israeli military operations in full combat roles through the Mahal volunteer programme. 16/17 years old from disadvantaged backgrounds recruited through charities funded by Israeli government in North London. Range of grave criminal acts and international crimes that are committed in IDF, it is possible that these Britons could be actively involved in war crimes. Now which regular army recruits foreign nationals to serve and commit crimes. Do you support that?" Pretty sure you’ll find these are dual citizens or the children of dual citizens right? | |||
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" This is all just bullcrap ! A crude method of "Gish galloping" ... A tactic to distract from the mass murder currently being undertaking by the IDF.. All we get is : October 7, babies murdered, r4pes, etc. Without any evidence and expected to take the IDF's word for it all.. while No journalists are allowed into Gaza to cover up the atrocities committed by the IDF. " Claiming there's no evidence for the October 7th pogrom makes you as good as a holocaust denier operating in real time. You really do hold some vile opinions - you clearly find lies and hatred easier to spout than any attempt to seek a solution. | |||
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" This is all just bullcrap ! A crude method of "Gish galloping" ... A tactic to distract from the mass murder currently being undertaking by the IDF.. All we get is : October 7, babies murdered, r4pes, etc. Without any evidence and expected to take the IDF's word for it all.. while No journalists are allowed into Gaza to cover up the atrocities committed by the IDF. Claiming there's no evidence for the October 7th pogrom makes you as good as a holocaust denier operating in real time. You really do hold some vile opinions - you clearly find lies and hatred easier to spout than any attempt to seek a solution." How do you feel about people who defend and exvuse the mass killings of Palestinian civilians, women and children? | |||
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" How do you feel about people who defend and exvuse the mass killings of Palestinian civilians, women and children?" It depends on the defence - all war is unfortunate, but the fault lies with the terrorists who started the war. Sadly, Hamas are conflating civilian and militant casualties, and until it is over, we will not know the full number, or how many of them were killed because of Hamas's placement of military infrastructure in heavily populated areas. Ultimately, all they need to do is to release their hostages. | |||
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" Hamas is a Terrorist organisation, the IDF is an army. You can choose to commit terrorism but it’s harder to not follow orders. Mrs x IDF is a terrorist organisation and behaves like one. British citizens are being recruited to the Israeli Defence Forces (IDF) to take part in Israeli military operations in full combat roles through the Mahal volunteer programme. 16/17 years old from disadvantaged backgrounds recruited through charities funded by Israeli government in North London. Range of grave criminal acts and international crimes that are committed in IDF, it is possible that these Britons could be actively involved in war crimes. Now which regular army recruits foreign nationals to serve and commit crimes. Do you support that?" Its not a terrorist organisation. Foreign Legion springs to mind, Mrs x | |||
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" How do you feel about people who defend and exvuse the mass killings of Palestinian civilians, women and children? It depends on the defence - all war is unfortunate, but the fault lies with the terrorists who started the war. Sadly, Hamas are conflating civilian and militant casualties, and until it is over, we will not know the full number, or how many of them were killed because of Hamas's placement of military infrastructure in heavily populated areas. Ultimately, all they need to do is to release their hostages." Got it. So some innocent civilians being mass killed awful. And some innocent civilians being mass killed is "unfortunate", based on the label you give to those doing the mass killing, or based on 'its someone else's fault, and not the fault of those committing the atrocities'. Seems kinda like you're excusing some mass killings of innocent people, and going through lots of twists and turns to convince yourself. | |||
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" How do you feel about people who defend and exvuse the mass killings of Palestinian civilians, women and children? It depends on the defence - all war is unfortunate, but the fault lies with the terrorists who started the war. Sadly, Hamas are conflating civilian and militant casualties, and until it is over, we will not know the full number, or how many of them were killed because of Hamas's placement of military infrastructure in heavily populated areas. Ultimately, all they need to do is to release their hostages." Not to mention those killed in Gaza are not categorised into 'civilian' or 'military' so we have no fucking idea if all of the numbers are civilian, military or otherwise. Before someone pulls me up on it, I'm not saying none or even the majority are/aren't civilians, I'm saying we have no fucking idea. | |||
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" Hamas is a Terrorist organisation, the IDF is an army. You can choose to commit terrorism but it’s harder to not follow orders. Mrs x IDF is a terrorist organisation and behaves like one. British citizens are being recruited to the Israeli Defence Forces (IDF) to take part in Israeli military operations in full combat roles through the Mahal volunteer programme. 16/17 years old from disadvantaged backgrounds recruited through charities funded by Israeli government in North London. Range of grave criminal acts and international crimes that are committed in IDF, it is possible that these Britons could be actively involved in war crimes. Now which regular army recruits foreign nationals to serve and commit crimes. Do you support that?" Iran | |||
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" How do you feel about people who defend and exvuse the mass killings of Palestinian civilians, women and children? It depends on the defence - all war is unfortunate, but the fault lies with the terrorists who started the war. Sadly, Hamas are conflating civilian and militant casualties, and until it is over, we will not know the full number, or how many of them were killed because of Hamas's placement of military infrastructure in heavily populated areas. Ultimately, all they need to do is to release their hostages. Got it. So some innocent civilians being mass killed awful. And some innocent civilians being mass killed is "unfortunate", based on the label you give to those doing the mass killing, or based on 'its someone else's fault, and not the fault of those committing the atrocities'. Seems kinda like you're excusing some mass killings of innocent people, and going through lots of twists and turns to convince yourself." Surely you make a distinction between casualties in an armed conflict and casualties of terrorism. Mrs x | |||
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" How do you feel about people who defend and exvuse the mass killings of Palestinian civilians, women and children? It depends on the defence - all war is unfortunate, but the fault lies with the terrorists who started the war. Sadly, Hamas are conflating civilian and militant casualties, and until it is over, we will not know the full number, or how many of them were killed because of Hamas's placement of military infrastructure in heavily populated areas. Ultimately, all they need to do is to release their hostages. Got it. So some innocent civilians being mass killed awful. And some innocent civilians being mass killed is "unfortunate", based on the label you give to those doing the mass killing, or based on 'its someone else's fault, and not the fault of those committing the atrocities'. Seems kinda like you're excusing some mass killings of innocent people, and going through lots of twists and turns to convince yourself.Surely you make a distinction between casualties in an armed conflict and casualties of terrorism. Mrs x" What's the difference? Not sure why it's a problem to oppose the mass killings of civilians. There aren't really any qualifiers that would make me want to excuse it or defend it by either Hamas or the IDF. Whatever label is put on them, they're doing a similar thing. | |||
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" How do you feel about people who defend and exvuse the mass killings of Palestinian civilians, women and children? It depends on the defence - all war is unfortunate, but the fault lies with the terrorists who started the war. Sadly, Hamas are conflating civilian and militant casualties, and until it is over, we will not know the full number, or how many of them were killed because of Hamas's placement of military infrastructure in heavily populated areas. Ultimately, all they need to do is to release their hostages. Got it. So some innocent civilians being mass killed awful. And some innocent civilians being mass killed is "unfortunate", based on the label you give to those doing the mass killing, or based on 'its someone else's fault, and not the fault of those committing the atrocities'. Seems kinda like you're excusing some mass killings of innocent people, and going through lots of twists and turns to convince yourself.Surely you make a distinction between casualties in an armed conflict and casualties of terrorism. Mrs x What's the difference? Not sure why it's a problem to oppose the mass killings of civilians. There aren't really any qualifiers that would make me want to excuse it or defend it by either Hamas or the IDF. Whatever label is put on them, they're doing a similar thing. " But they aren't, it is different, terrible tragedy, but different. Mrs x | |||
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" How do you feel about people who defend and exvuse the mass killings of Palestinian civilians, women and children? It depends on the defence - all war is unfortunate, but the fault lies with the terrorists who started the war. Sadly, Hamas are conflating civilian and militant casualties, and until it is over, we will not know the full number, or how many of them were killed because of Hamas's placement of military infrastructure in heavily populated areas. Ultimately, all they need to do is to release their hostages. Got it. So some innocent civilians being mass killed awful. And some innocent civilians being mass killed is "unfortunate", based on the label you give to those doing the mass killing, or based on 'its someone else's fault, and not the fault of those committing the atrocities'. Seems kinda like you're excusing some mass killings of innocent people, and going through lots of twists and turns to convince yourself.Surely you make a distinction between casualties in an armed conflict and casualties of terrorism. Mrs x What's the difference? Not sure why it's a problem to oppose the mass killings of civilians. There aren't really any qualifiers that would make me want to excuse it or defend it by either Hamas or the IDF. Whatever label is put on them, they're doing a similar thing. But they aren't, it is different, terrible tragedy, but different. Mrs x" How can it possibly be different? The IDF have dropped lots of unguided 2000 pound bombs that can kill anyone within 300 metres radius | |||
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" How do you feel about people who defend and exvuse the mass killings of Palestinian civilians, women and children? It depends on the defence - all war is unfortunate, but the fault lies with the terrorists who started the war. Sadly, Hamas are conflating civilian and militant casualties, and until it is over, we will not know the full number, or how many of them were killed because of Hamas's placement of military infrastructure in heavily populated areas. Ultimately, all they need to do is to release their hostages. Got it. So some innocent civilians being mass killed awful. And some innocent civilians being mass killed is "unfortunate", based on the label you give to those doing the mass killing, or based on 'its someone else's fault, and not the fault of those committing the atrocities'. Seems kinda like you're excusing some mass killings of innocent people, and going through lots of twists and turns to convince yourself.Surely you make a distinction between casualties in an armed conflict and casualties of terrorism. Mrs x What's the difference? Not sure why it's a problem to oppose the mass killings of civilians. There aren't really any qualifiers that would make me want to excuse it or defend it by either Hamas or the IDF. Whatever label is put on them, they're doing a similar thing. But they aren't, it is different, terrible tragedy, but different. Mrs x" I don't see the difference between innocent civilians A being mass killed Vs innocent civilians B being mass killed. People on either side will be justifying it, defending it or excusing it. Using language, rhetoric, blaming someone else. | |||
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" The IDF have dropped lots of unguided 2000 pound bombs that can kill anyone within 300 metres radius " The IDF has also dropped leaflets, made broadcasts and even telephoned people in advance, warning them to evacuate. What other army does that? | |||
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" How do you feel about people who defend and exvuse the mass killings of Palestinian civilians, women and children? It depends on the defence - all war is unfortunate, but the fault lies with the terrorists who started the war. Sadly, Hamas are conflating civilian and militant casualties, and until it is over, we will not know the full number, or how many of them were killed because of Hamas's placement of military infrastructure in heavily populated areas. Ultimately, all they need to do is to release their hostages. Got it. So some innocent civilians being mass killed awful. And some innocent civilians being mass killed is "unfortunate", based on the label you give to those doing the mass killing, or based on 'its someone else's fault, and not the fault of those committing the atrocities'. Seems kinda like you're excusing some mass killings of innocent people, and going through lots of twists and turns to convince yourself.Surely you make a distinction between casualties in an armed conflict and casualties of terrorism. Mrs x" I’d suggest that the Palestinians are every bit the victims of terrorism the Israelis were. | |||
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" How do you feel about people who defend and exvuse the mass killings of Palestinian civilians, women and children? It depends on the defence - all war is unfortunate, but the fault lies with the terrorists who started the war. Sadly, Hamas are conflating civilian and militant casualties, and until it is over, we will not know the full number, or how many of them were killed because of Hamas's placement of military infrastructure in heavily populated areas. Ultimately, all they need to do is to release their hostages. Got it. So some innocent civilians being mass killed awful. And some innocent civilians being mass killed is "unfortunate", based on the label you give to those doing the mass killing, or based on 'its someone else's fault, and not the fault of those committing the atrocities'. Seems kinda like you're excusing some mass killings of innocent people, and going through lots of twists and turns to convince yourself.Surely you make a distinction between casualties in an armed conflict and casualties of terrorism. Mrs x I’d suggest that the Palestinians are every bit the victims of terrorism the Israelis were." To me, if someone is mass killing vast numbers of civilians, the word used to describe it, (military operation/terrorism etc) is irrelevant. Seems like the chap excusing the actions of the IDF is using anything to absolve them of blame. | |||
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" How do you feel about people who defend and exvuse the mass killings of Palestinian civilians, women and children? It depends on the defence - all war is unfortunate, but the fault lies with the terrorists who started the war. Sadly, Hamas are conflating civilian and militant casualties, and until it is over, we will not know the full number, or how many of them were killed because of Hamas's placement of military infrastructure in heavily populated areas. Ultimately, all they need to do is to release their hostages. Got it. So some innocent civilians being mass killed awful. And some innocent civilians being mass killed is "unfortunate", based on the label you give to those doing the mass killing, or based on 'its someone else's fault, and not the fault of those committing the atrocities'. Seems kinda like you're excusing some mass killings of innocent people, and going through lots of twists and turns to convince yourself.Surely you make a distinction between casualties in an armed conflict and casualties of terrorism. Mrs x I’d suggest that the Palestinians are every bit the victims of terrorism the Israelis were. To me, if someone is mass killing vast numbers of civilians, the word used to describe it, (military operation/terrorism etc) is irrelevant. Seems like the chap excusing the actions of the IDF is using anything to absolve them of blame. " I do wonder what the IDF would have to do in order to stop some people defending them. | |||
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" How do you feel about people who defend and exvuse the mass killings of Palestinian civilians, women and children? It depends on the defence - all war is unfortunate, but the fault lies with the terrorists who started the war. Sadly, Hamas are conflating civilian and militant casualties, and until it is over, we will not know the full number, or how many of them were killed because of Hamas's placement of military infrastructure in heavily populated areas. Ultimately, all they need to do is to release their hostages. Got it. So some innocent civilians being mass killed awful. And some innocent civilians being mass killed is "unfortunate", based on the label you give to those doing the mass killing, or based on 'its someone else's fault, and not the fault of those committing the atrocities'. Seems kinda like you're excusing some mass killings of innocent people, and going through lots of twists and turns to convince yourself.Surely you make a distinction between casualties in an armed conflict and casualties of terrorism. Mrs x I’d suggest that the Palestinians are every bit the victims of terrorism the Israelis were. To me, if someone is mass killing vast numbers of civilians, the word used to describe it, (military operation/terrorism etc) is irrelevant. Seems like the chap excusing the actions of the IDF is using anything to absolve them of blame. I do wonder what the IDF would have to do in order to stop some people defending them." We know the answer, but some people wouldn't like it. | |||
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" The IDF have dropped lots of unguided 2000 pound bombs that can kill anyone within 300 metres radius The IDF has also dropped leaflets, made broadcasts and even telephoned people in advance, warning them to evacuate. What other army does that?" IDF soldiers mocking the death of World central Kitchen workers on their telegram channels which includes three British aid workers. Just goes to show the real face of most moral army. | |||
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" The IDF have dropped lots of unguided 2000 pound bombs that can kill anyone within 300 metres radius The IDF has also dropped leaflets, made broadcasts and even telephoned people in advance, warning them to evacuate. What other army does that?" So what's your thoughts on the targeting and picking off the releif workers and the 3 British? A success in stopping food aid and other supplies getting through to the "animals"? Did the aid workers deserve what happened? | |||
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" The IDF have dropped lots of unguided 2000 pound bombs that can kill anyone within 300 metres radius The IDF has also dropped leaflets, made broadcasts and even telephoned people in advance, warning them to evacuate. What other army does that? So what's your thoughts on the targeting and picking off the releif workers and the 3 British? A success in stopping food aid and other supplies getting through to the "animals"? Did the aid workers deserve what happened?" Sunak speech, to Israel ‘ I hope you win’ Send him to Gaza without security | |||
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" If the palisitinians move from palistine into the Sinai desert , they'll need to rehplant their ancient olive trees, Will they grow well in the arid sands of the Sinai desert? Fuuuuukin hell! I'll have a pint of what your having! Maybe they should get some irrigation lessons from Israel then, considering it was the Zionist settlers who irrigated and made the land fertile again. Also, they're fucking trees. " A Victorian Englishman learned Arabic and did a grand tour of Palestine. Sorry can’t remember his name. He wrote a journal. Every usable piece of land was farmed. You are repeating a popular lie. A lie taught to people who receive Israeli media training. All of your comments could come from that crib sheet couldn’t they? | |||
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" If the palisitinians move from palistine into the Sinai desert , they'll need to rehplant their ancient olive trees, Will they grow well in the arid sands of the Sinai desert? Fuuuuukin hell! I'll have a pint of what your having! Maybe they should get some irrigation lessons from Israel then, considering it was the Zionist settlers who irrigated and made the land fertile again. Also, they're fucking trees. A Victorian Englishman learned Arabic and did a grand tour of Palestine. Sorry can’t remember his name. He wrote a journal. Every usable piece of land was farmed. You are repeating a popular lie. A lie taught to people who receive Israeli media training. All of your comments could come from that crib sheet couldn’t they?" And Zionist settlers irrigated unusable land and made it fertile. In doing so they also eradicated the mosquito proble. | |||
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" If the palisitinians move from palistine into the Sinai desert , they'll need to rehplant their ancient olive trees, Will they grow well in the arid sands of the Sinai desert? Fuuuuukin hell! I'll have a pint of what your having! Maybe they should get some irrigation lessons from Israel then, considering it was the Zionist settlers who irrigated and made the land fertile again. Also, they're fucking trees. A Victorian Englishman learned Arabic and did a grand tour of Palestine. Sorry can’t remember his name. He wrote a journal. Every usable piece of land was farmed. You are repeating a popular lie. A lie taught to people who receive Israeli media training. All of your comments could come from that crib sheet couldn’t they? And Zionist settlers irrigated unusable land and made it fertile. In doing so they also eradicated the mosquito proble." Isreal controls the water supply. | |||
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" If the palisitinians move from palistine into the Sinai desert , they'll need to rehplant their ancient olive trees, Will they grow well in the arid sands of the Sinai desert? Fuuuuukin hell! I'll have a pint of what your having! Maybe they should get some irrigation lessons from Israel then, considering it was the Zionist settlers who irrigated and made the land fertile again. Also, they're fucking trees. A Victorian Englishman learned Arabic and did a grand tour of Palestine. Sorry can’t remember his name. He wrote a journal. Every usable piece of land was farmed. You are repeating a popular lie. A lie taught to people who receive Israeli media training. All of your comments could come from that crib sheet couldn’t they? And Zionist settlers irrigated unusable land and made it fertile. In doing so they also eradicated the mosquito proble. Isreal controls the water supply. " Actually before October Gaza controlled 90% of its own water, Israel supplied 10%, through 3 pipelines. Mrs x | |||
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" If the palisitinians move from palistine into the Sinai desert , they'll need to rehplant their ancient olive trees, Will they grow well in the arid sands of the Sinai desert? Fuuuuukin hell! I'll have a pint of what your having! Maybe they should get some irrigation lessons from Israel then, considering it was the Zionist settlers who irrigated and made the land fertile again. Also, they're fucking trees. A Victorian Englishman learned Arabic and did a grand tour of Palestine. Sorry can’t remember his name. He wrote a journal. Every usable piece of land was farmed. You are repeating a popular lie. A lie taught to people who receive Israeli media training. All of your comments could come from that crib sheet couldn’t they? And Zionist settlers irrigated unusable land and made it fertile. In doing so they also eradicated the mosquito proble. Isreal controls the water supply. Actually before October Gaza controlled 90% of its own water, Israel supplied 10%, through 3 pipelines. Mrs x" source ? Amnesty paints a different picture. | |||
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" If the palisitinians move from palistine into the Sinai desert , they'll need to rehplant their ancient olive trees, Will they grow well in the arid sands of the Sinai desert? Fuuuuukin hell! I'll have a pint of what your having! Maybe they should get some irrigation lessons from Israel then, considering it was the Zionist settlers who irrigated and made the land fertile again. Also, they're fucking trees. A Victorian Englishman learned Arabic and did a grand tour of Palestine. Sorry can’t remember his name. He wrote a journal. Every usable piece of land was farmed. You are repeating a popular lie. A lie taught to people who receive Israeli media training. All of your comments could come from that crib sheet couldn’t they? And Zionist settlers irrigated unusable land and made it fertile. In doing so they also eradicated the mosquito proble. Isreal controls the water supply. Actually before October Gaza controlled 90% of its own water, Israel supplied 10%, through 3 pipelines. Mrs xsource ? Amnesty paints a different picture. " Amnesty does and I'm not saying they are wrong but when they talk about the contaminated water that's down to mismanagement by Hamas. Traditionally Israel only supplied about 10% of the water. The Israel Times, Mrs x | |||
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" If the palisitinians move from palistine into the Sinai desert , they'll need to rehplant their ancient olive trees, Will they grow well in the arid sands of the Sinai desert? Fuuuuukin hell! I'll have a pint of what your having! Maybe they should get some irrigation lessons from Israel then, considering it was the Zionist settlers who irrigated and made the land fertile again. Also, they're fucking trees. A Victorian Englishman learned Arabic and did a grand tour of Palestine. Sorry can’t remember his name. He wrote a journal. Every usable piece of land was farmed. You are repeating a popular lie. A lie taught to people who receive Israeli media training. All of your comments could come from that crib sheet couldn’t they? And Zionist settlers irrigated unusable land and made it fertile. In doing so they also eradicated the mosquito proble. Isreal controls the water supply. Actually before October Gaza controlled 90% of its own water, Israel supplied 10%, through 3 pipelines. Mrs xsource ? Amnesty paints a different picture. Amnesty does and I'm not saying they are wrong but when they talk about the contaminated water that's down to mismanagement by Hamas. Traditionally Israel only supplied about 10% of the water. The Israel Times, Mrs x" Oh well if the Israel Times says it then it must be true | |||
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" If the palisitinians move from palistine into the Sinai desert , they'll need to rehplant their ancient olive trees, Will they grow well in the arid sands of the Sinai desert? Fuuuuukin hell! I'll have a pint of what your having! Maybe they should get some irrigation lessons from Israel then, considering it was the Zionist settlers who irrigated and made the land fertile again. Also, they're fucking trees. A Victorian Englishman learned Arabic and did a grand tour of Palestine. Sorry can’t remember his name. He wrote a journal. Every usable piece of land was farmed. You are repeating a popular lie. A lie taught to people who receive Israeli media training. All of your comments could come from that crib sheet couldn’t they? And Zionist settlers irrigated unusable land and made it fertile. In doing so they also eradicated the mosquito proble. Isreal controls the water supply. Actually before October Gaza controlled 90% of its own water, Israel supplied 10%, through 3 pipelines. Mrs xsource ? Amnesty paints a different picture. Amnesty does and I'm not saying they are wrong but when they talk about the contaminated water that's down to mismanagement by Hamas. Traditionally Israel only supplied about 10% of the water. The Israel Times, Mrs x Oh well if the Israel Times says it then it must be true "Just Google ot then, Mrs x | |||
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" If the palisitinians move from palistine into the Sinai desert , they'll need to rehplant their ancient olive trees, Will they grow well in the arid sands of the Sinai desert? Fuuuuukin hell! I'll have a pint of what your having! Maybe they should get some irrigation lessons from Israel then, considering it was the Zionist settlers who irrigated and made the land fertile again. Also, they're fucking trees. A Victorian Englishman learned Arabic and did a grand tour of Palestine. Sorry can’t remember his name. He wrote a journal. Every usable piece of land was farmed. You are repeating a popular lie. A lie taught to people who receive Israeli media training. All of your comments could come from that crib sheet couldn’t they? And Zionist settlers irrigated unusable land and made it fertile. In doing so they also eradicated the mosquito proble. Isreal controls the water supply. Actually before October Gaza controlled 90% of its own water, Israel supplied 10%, through 3 pipelines. Mrs xsource ? Amnesty paints a different picture. Amnesty does and I'm not saying they are wrong but when they talk about the contaminated water that's down to mismanagement by Hamas. Traditionally Israel only supplied about 10% of the water. The Israel Times, Mrs x Oh well if the Israel Times says it then it must be true "'About 90 percent of Gaza’s water supply comes from the Coastal Aquifer Basin, which runs along the eastern Mediterranean coast from Egypt through Gaza and into Israel. However, the water is brackish and contaminated due to seawater intrusion, overextraction, and sewage and chemical infiltration. Consequently, Gazans rely on small-scale desalination units and unregulated private water tankers, which can be costly and pose additional health risks. The remaining 10 percent of water not pumped from the Coastal Aquifer comes primarily from three Israeli pipelines and from small-scale seawater desalination plants.' This quote is from CSIS but you can see similar in The Guardian, Unicef and lots of others.... is that better for you? Mrs x | |||
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" If the palisitinians move from palistine into the Sinai desert , they'll need to rehplant their ancient olive trees, Will they grow well in the arid sands of the Sinai desert? Fuuuuukin hell! I'll have a pint of what your having! Maybe they should get some irrigation lessons from Israel then, considering it was the Zionist settlers who irrigated and made the land fertile again. Also, they're fucking trees. A Victorian Englishman learned Arabic and did a grand tour of Palestine. Sorry can’t remember his name. He wrote a journal. Every usable piece of land was farmed. You are repeating a popular lie. A lie taught to people who receive Israeli media training. All of your comments could come from that crib sheet couldn’t they? And Zionist settlers irrigated unusable land and made it fertile. In doing so they also eradicated the mosquito proble. Isreal controls the water supply. Actually before October Gaza controlled 90% of its own water, Israel supplied 10%, through 3 pipelines. Mrs xsource ? Amnesty paints a different picture. Amnesty does and I'm not saying they are wrong but when they talk about the contaminated water that's down to mismanagement by Hamas. Traditionally Israel only supplied about 10% of the water. The Israel Times, Mrs x Oh well if the Israel Times says it then it must be true 'About 90 percent of Gaza’s water supply comes from the Coastal Aquifer Basin, which runs along the eastern Mediterranean coast from Egypt through Gaza and into Israel. However, the water is brackish and contaminated due to seawater intrusion, overextraction, and sewage and chemical infiltration. Consequently, Gazans rely on small-scale desalination units and unregulated private water tankers, which can be costly and pose additional health risks. The remaining 10 percent of water not pumped from the Coastal Aquifer comes primarily from three Israeli pipelines and from small-scale seawater desalination plants.' This quote is from CSIS but you can see similar in The Guardian, Unicef and lots of others.... is that better for you?
Mrs x"thx! the maths on their reports are unclear. Is that 90c before or after the fact that 96px is undrinkable. Could explain why there been a fall of 95pc since the war. Or that may be because Israel control the energy for the desalination plants. But notwithstanding that, palenstinians didn't have enough. And it appears Israel controlled their ability to become self sufficient. As with everything there are comple layers after complex layers. | |||
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" If the palisitinians move from palistine into the Sinai desert , they'll need to rehplant their ancient olive trees, Will they grow well in the arid sands of the Sinai desert? Fuuuuukin hell! I'll have a pint of what your having! Maybe they should get some irrigation lessons from Israel then, considering it was the Zionist settlers who irrigated and made the land fertile again. Also, they're fucking trees. A Victorian Englishman learned Arabic and did a grand tour of Palestine. Sorry can’t remember his name. He wrote a journal. Every usable piece of land was farmed. You are repeating a popular lie. A lie taught to people who receive Israeli media training. All of your comments could come from that crib sheet couldn’t they? And Zionist settlers irrigated unusable land and made it fertile. In doing so they also eradicated the mosquito proble. Isreal controls the water supply. Actually before October Gaza controlled 90% of its own water, Israel supplied 10%, through 3 pipelines. Mrs xsource ? Amnesty paints a different picture. Amnesty does and I'm not saying they are wrong but when they talk about the contaminated water that's down to mismanagement by Hamas. Traditionally Israel only supplied about 10% of the water. The Israel Times, Mrs x Oh well if the Israel Times says it then it must be true 'About 90 percent of Gaza’s water supply comes from the Coastal Aquifer Basin, which runs along the eastern Mediterranean coast from Egypt through Gaza and into Israel. However, the water is brackish and contaminated due to seawater intrusion, overextraction, and sewage and chemical infiltration. Consequently, Gazans rely on small-scale desalination units and unregulated private water tankers, which can be costly and pose additional health risks. The remaining 10 percent of water not pumped from the Coastal Aquifer comes primarily from three Israeli pipelines and from small-scale seawater desalination plants.' This quote is from CSIS but you can see similar in The Guardian, Unicef and lots of others.... is that better for you?
Mrs xthx! the maths on their reports are unclear.
Is that 90c before or after the fact that 96px is undrinkable.
Could explain why there been a fall of 95pc since the war.
Or that may be because Israel control the energy for the desalination plants.
But notwithstanding that, palenstinians didn't have enough. And it appears Israel controlled their ability to become self sufficient.
As with everything there are comple layers after complex layers. "Historically Gaza has been able to supply 90% of its own water. But through mismanagement from Hamas this has meant that their water has suffered from contamination. Israel has only supplied 10% of their water. So the lack of drinkable water is the fault of Hamas, well before this current conflict. Hamas has other priorities than providing fresh water. Terrorism is obviously very expensive. Saying that Israel is responsible for cutting off water to Gaza is true, they have. Bit it's not the 'whole' truth. Hamas have cut of 90% of Gazas water to its own civilians in that they have not maintained their water infrastructure. It doesn't matter to Hamas because it makes a great sound bite to blame the 'terrorist regime of Israel' for depriving ALL of Gazas water, when in reality it's only ever been just under 10%. They have deprived their own citizens just over 90% through prioritising missed strikes over drinking water. It does make great propaganda for Hamas's cause of the total wipe out of Israrl and the Jewish people. And as for Istael not supplying water aid, I cannot recall any war were this was done whilst the conflict was occurring. Why hasn't Egypt set in aid, water, took in refugees etc, Mrs x | |||
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" If the palisitinians move from palistine into the Sinai desert , they'll need to rehplant their ancient olive trees, Will they grow well in the arid sands of the Sinai desert? Fuuuuukin hell! I'll have a pint of what your having! Maybe they should get some irrigation lessons from Israel then, considering it was the Zionist settlers who irrigated and made the land fertile again. Also, they're fucking trees. A Victorian Englishman learned Arabic and did a grand tour of Palestine. Sorry can’t remember his name. He wrote a journal. Every usable piece of land was farmed. You are repeating a popular lie. A lie taught to people who receive Israeli media training. All of your comments could come from that crib sheet couldn’t they? And Zionist settlers irrigated unusable land and made it fertile. In doing so they also eradicated the mosquito proble. Isreal controls the water supply. Actually before October Gaza controlled 90% of its own water, Israel supplied 10%, through 3 pipelines. Mrs xsource ? Amnesty paints a different picture. Amnesty does and I'm not saying they are wrong but when they talk about the contaminated water that's down to mismanagement by Hamas. Traditionally Israel only supplied about 10% of the water. The Israel Times, Mrs x Oh well if the Israel Times says it then it must be true 'About 90 percent of Gaza’s water supply comes from the Coastal Aquifer Basin, which runs along the eastern Mediterranean coast from Egypt through Gaza and into Israel. However, the water is brackish and contaminated due to seawater intrusion, overextraction, and sewage and chemical infiltration. Consequently, Gazans rely on small-scale desalination units and unregulated private water tankers, which can be costly and pose additional health risks. The remaining 10 percent of water not pumped from the Coastal Aquifer comes primarily from three Israeli pipelines and from small-scale seawater desalination plants.' This quote is from CSIS but you can see similar in The Guardian, Unicef and lots of others.... is that better for you?
Mrs xthx! the maths on their reports are unclear.
Is that 90c before or after the fact that 96px is undrinkable.
Could explain why there been a fall of 95pc since the war.
Or that may be because Israel control the energy for the desalination plants.
But notwithstanding that, palenstinians didn't have enough. And it appears Israel controlled their ability to become self sufficient.
As with everything there are comple layers after complex layers. Historically Gaza has been able to supply 90% of its own water. But through mismanagement from Hamas this has meant that their water has suffered from contamination.
Israel has only supplied 10% of their water.
So the lack of drinkable water is the fault of Hamas, well before this current conflict. Hamas has other priorities than providing fresh water. Terrorism is obviously very expensive.
Saying that Israel is responsible for cutting off water to Gaza is true, they have. Bit it's not the 'whole' truth. Hamas have cut of 90% of Gazas water to its own civilians in that they have not maintained their water infrastructure.
It doesn't matter to Hamas because it makes a great sound bite to blame the 'terrorist regime of Israel' for depriving ALL of Gazas water, when in reality it's only ever been just under 10%. They have deprived their own citizens just over 90% through prioritising missed strikes over drinking water.
It does make great propaganda for Hamas's cause of the total wipe out of Israrl and the Jewish people.
And as for Istael not supplying water aid, I cannot recall any war were this was done whilst the conflict was occurring.
Why hasn't Egypt set in aid, water, took in refugees etc,
Mrs x"I have no idea how much of that is true. However I've seen nothing in the reports you linked to which backs that up. There are issues in WB as well which means it's more than just a hamas thing. As you seem knowledgeable can you expand on the point amnesty made that suggested Palestinians could not construct any new water installation without first obtaining a permit from the Israeli army. "Since then, the extraction of water from any new source or the development of any new water infrastructure would require permits from Israel, which are near impossible to obtain" | |||
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" If the palisitinians move from palistine into the Sinai desert , they'll need to rehplant their ancient olive trees, Will they grow well in the arid sands of the Sinai desert? Fuuuuukin hell! I'll have a pint of what your having! Maybe they should get some irrigation lessons from Israel then, considering it was the Zionist settlers who irrigated and made the land fertile again. Also, they're fucking trees. A Victorian Englishman learned Arabic and did a grand tour of Palestine. Sorry can’t remember his name. He wrote a journal. Every usable piece of land was farmed. You are repeating a popular lie. A lie taught to people who receive Israeli media training. All of your comments could come from that crib sheet couldn’t they? And Zionist settlers irrigated unusable land and made it fertile. In doing so they also eradicated the mosquito proble. Isreal controls the water supply. Actually before October Gaza controlled 90% of its own water, Israel supplied 10%, through 3 pipelines. Mrs xsource ? Amnesty paints a different picture. Amnesty does and I'm not saying they are wrong but when they talk about the contaminated water that's down to mismanagement by Hamas. Traditionally Israel only supplied about 10% of the water. The Israel Times, Mrs x Oh well if the Israel Times says it then it must be true 'About 90 percent of Gaza’s water supply comes from the Coastal Aquifer Basin, which runs along the eastern Mediterranean coast from Egypt through Gaza and into Israel. However, the water is brackish and contaminated due to seawater intrusion, overextraction, and sewage and chemical infiltration. Consequently, Gazans rely on small-scale desalination units and unregulated private water tankers, which can be costly and pose additional health risks. The remaining 10 percent of water not pumped from the Coastal Aquifer comes primarily from three Israeli pipelines and from small-scale seawater desalination plants.' This quote is from CSIS but you can see similar in The Guardian, Unicef and lots of others.... is that better for you?
Mrs xthx! the maths on their reports are unclear.
Is that 90c before or after the fact that 96px is undrinkable.
Could explain why there been a fall of 95pc since the war.
Or that may be because Israel control the energy for the desalination plants.
But notwithstanding that, palenstinians didn't have enough. And it appears Israel controlled their ability to become self sufficient.
As with everything there are comple layers after complex layers. Historically Gaza has been able to supply 90% of its own water. But through mismanagement from Hamas this has meant that their water has suffered from contamination.
Israel has only supplied 10% of their water.
So the lack of drinkable water is the fault of Hamas, well before this current conflict. Hamas has other priorities than providing fresh water. Terrorism is obviously very expensive.
Saying that Israel is responsible for cutting off water to Gaza is true, they have. Bit it's not the 'whole' truth. Hamas have cut of 90% of Gazas water to its own civilians in that they have not maintained their water infrastructure.
It doesn't matter to Hamas because it makes a great sound bite to blame the 'terrorist regime of Israel' for depriving ALL of Gazas water, when in reality it's only ever been just under 10%. They have deprived their own citizens just over 90% through prioritising missed strikes over drinking water.
It does make great propaganda for Hamas's cause of the total wipe out of Israrl and the Jewish people.
And as for Istael not supplying water aid, I cannot recall any war were this was done whilst the conflict was occurring.
Why hasn't Egypt set in aid, water, took in refugees etc,
Mrs xI have no idea how much of that is true. However I've seen nothing in the reports you linked to which backs that up.
There are issues in WB as well which means it's more than just a hamas thing.
As you seem knowledgeable can you expand on the point amnesty made that suggested Palestinians could not construct any new water installation without first obtaining a permit from the Israeli army. "Since then, the extraction of water from any new source or the development of any new water infrastructure would require permits from Israel, which are near impossible to obtain"
"I quoted from an article, from an independent think tank CSIS, which gave the figures I have used. The infrastructure of Gazas water supply has deteriorated over time and is now very much undrinkable. But Israel has not been in Gaza since 2005. So Hamas has been in power but has chosen to neglect this vital part of the infrastructure. They have however bought lots and lots of weapons, missiles to strike into Israel. So when the water supply was new and working Gaza was 90% sufficient in water. It was not for Istael to maintain this as they came out of Gaza, it was down to Hamas. I'm not 100% sure about the licensing arrangements but from a commonsense point of view, would you agree to hydrate a hostile population, who have launched thousands of misses at you and who you know have a constitution which states their aims of the destruction of your state and the genocide of your people. Would you aid them to complete this goal. Gaza did import water at an expensive amount per meter cubed. Maybe this was a deliberate act by Israel, to cause this additional cost, thinking that if Gaza had less money to spend now, they might not be able to purchase as many missles. In essence Israel were forcing an economic decision on Gaza. Use your budget to maintain your exsiting water supply, which has been established catered for 90% of their needs and hydrate your citizens OR ignore you're citizens basic human needs and purchase more weapons to attack Israel and achieve your violent, genocidal objectives. It's not as black and white as the headlines of 'ISRAEL CUTS OFF WATER TO GAZA', makes for great pro Palestinian propaganda and sound bites on Twitter, but it's not the whole truth...just 10%. Hamas fault for chosing missles over water, Mrs x | |||
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" If the palisitinians move from palistine into the Sinai desert , they'll need to rehplant their ancient olive trees, Will they grow well in the arid sands of the Sinai desert? Fuuuuukin hell! I'll have a pint of what your having! Maybe they should get some irrigation lessons from Israel then, considering it was the Zionist settlers who irrigated and made the land fertile again. Also, they're fucking trees. A Victorian Englishman learned Arabic and did a grand tour of Palestine. Sorry can’t remember his name. He wrote a journal. Every usable piece of land was farmed. You are repeating a popular lie. A lie taught to people who receive Israeli media training. All of your comments could come from that crib sheet couldn’t they? And Zionist settlers irrigated unusable land and made it fertile. In doing so they also eradicated the mosquito proble. Isreal controls the water supply. Actually before October Gaza controlled 90% of its own water, Israel supplied 10%, through 3 pipelines. Mrs xsource ? Amnesty paints a different picture. Amnesty does and I'm not saying they are wrong but when they talk about the contaminated water that's down to mismanagement by Hamas. Traditionally Israel only supplied about 10% of the water. The Israel Times, Mrs x Oh well if the Israel Times says it then it must be true 'About 90 percent of Gaza’s water supply comes from the Coastal Aquifer Basin, which runs along the eastern Mediterranean coast from Egypt through Gaza and into Israel. However, the water is brackish and contaminated due to seawater intrusion, overextraction, and sewage and chemical infiltration. Consequently, Gazans rely on small-scale desalination units and unregulated private water tankers, which can be costly and pose additional health risks. The remaining 10 percent of water not pumped from the Coastal Aquifer comes primarily from three Israeli pipelines and from small-scale seawater desalination plants.' This quote is from CSIS but you can see similar in The Guardian, Unicef and lots of others.... is that better for you?
Mrs xthx! the maths on their reports are unclear.
Is that 90c before or after the fact that 96px is undrinkable.
Could explain why there been a fall of 95pc since the war.
Or that may be because Israel control the energy for the desalination plants.
But notwithstanding that, palenstinians didn't have enough. And it appears Israel controlled their ability to become self sufficient.
As with everything there are comple layers after complex layers. Historically Gaza has been able to supply 90% of its own water. But through mismanagement from Hamas this has meant that their water has suffered from contamination.
Israel has only supplied 10% of their water.
So the lack of drinkable water is the fault of Hamas, well before this current conflict. Hamas has other priorities than providing fresh water. Terrorism is obviously very expensive.
Saying that Israel is responsible for cutting off water to Gaza is true, they have. Bit it's not the 'whole' truth. Hamas have cut of 90% of Gazas water to its own civilians in that they have not maintained their water infrastructure.
It doesn't matter to Hamas because it makes a great sound bite to blame the 'terrorist regime of Israel' for depriving ALL of Gazas water, when in reality it's only ever been just under 10%. They have deprived their own citizens just over 90% through prioritising missed strikes over drinking water.
It does make great propaganda for Hamas's cause of the total wipe out of Israrl and the Jewish people.
And as for Istael not supplying water aid, I cannot recall any war were this was done whilst the conflict was occurring.
Why hasn't Egypt set in aid, water, took in refugees etc,
Mrs xI have no idea how much of that is true. However I've seen nothing in the reports you linked to which backs that up.
There are issues in WB as well which means it's more than just a hamas thing.
As you seem knowledgeable can you expand on the point amnesty made that suggested Palestinians could not construct any new water installation without first obtaining a permit from the Israeli army. "Since then, the extraction of water from any new source or the development of any new water infrastructure would require permits from Israel, which are near impossible to obtain"
I quoted from an article, from an independent think tank CSIS, which gave the figures I have used.
The infrastructure of Gazas water supply has deteriorated over time and is now very much undrinkable. But Israel has not been in Gaza since 2005.
So Hamas has been in power but has chosen to neglect this vital part of the infrastructure.
They have however bought lots and lots of weapons, missiles to strike into Israel.
So when the water supply was new and working Gaza was 90% sufficient in water. It was not for Istael to maintain this as they came out of Gaza, it was down to Hamas.
I'm not 100% sure about the licensing arrangements but from a commonsense point of view, would you agree to hydrate a hostile population, who have launched thousands of misses at you and who you know have a constitution which states their aims of the destruction of your state and the genocide of your people. Would you aid them to complete this goal.
Gaza did import water at an expensive amount per meter cubed. Maybe this was a deliberate act by Israel, to cause this additional cost, thinking that if Gaza had less money to spend now, they might not be able to purchase as many missles.
In essence Israel were forcing an economic decision on Gaza. Use your budget to maintain your exsiting water supply, which has been established catered for 90% of their needs and hydrate your citizens OR ignore you're citizens basic human needs and purchase more weapons to attack Israel and achieve your violent, genocidal objectives.
It's not as black and white as the headlines of 'ISRAEL CUTS OFF WATER TO GAZA', makes for great pro Palestinian propaganda and sound bites on Twitter, but it's not the whole truth...just 10%.
Hamas fault for chosing missles over water,
Mrs x"I agree it's not black and white. Tho I sense you have a landing to one side. I've not found the 90pc sufficient stat or that if it's 90pc from the bay that it was at some point mainly drinkable. I'd also disagree that Israel are being asked to hydraye a hostile population but instead are imposing rules on another country. And I don't know how much those rules get in the way of allowing hamas or PLO the choice of where to spend money. But I would bet that poor water creates hostility. The middle east chicken and egg. But tbh when amnesty are calling Israel out, then I lean towards there being an issue that Israel are fuelling. | |||
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" If the palisitinians move from palistine into the Sinai desert , they'll need to rehplant their ancient olive trees, Will they grow well in the arid sands of the Sinai desert? Fuuuuukin hell! I'll have a pint of what your having! Maybe they should get some irrigation lessons from Israel then, considering it was the Zionist settlers who irrigated and made the land fertile again. Also, they're fucking trees. A Victorian Englishman learned Arabic and did a grand tour of Palestine. Sorry can’t remember his name. He wrote a journal. Every usable piece of land was farmed. You are repeating a popular lie. A lie taught to people who receive Israeli media training. All of your comments could come from that crib sheet couldn’t they? And Zionist settlers irrigated unusable land and made it fertile. In doing so they also eradicated the mosquito proble. Isreal controls the water supply. Actually before October Gaza controlled 90% of its own water, Israel supplied 10%, through 3 pipelines. Mrs xsource ? Amnesty paints a different picture. Amnesty does and I'm not saying they are wrong but when they talk about the contaminated water that's down to mismanagement by Hamas. Traditionally Israel only supplied about 10% of the water. The Israel Times, Mrs x Oh well if the Israel Times says it then it must be true 'About 90 percent of Gaza’s water supply comes from the Coastal Aquifer Basin, which runs along the eastern Mediterranean coast from Egypt through Gaza and into Israel. However, the water is brackish and contaminated due to seawater intrusion, overextraction, and sewage and chemical infiltration. Consequently, Gazans rely on small-scale desalination units and unregulated private water tankers, which can be costly and pose additional health risks. The remaining 10 percent of water not pumped from the Coastal Aquifer comes primarily from three Israeli pipelines and from small-scale seawater desalination plants.' This quote is from CSIS but you can see similar in The Guardian, Unicef and lots of others.... is that better for you?
Mrs xthx! the maths on their reports are unclear.
Is that 90c before or after the fact that 96px is undrinkable.
Could explain why there been a fall of 95pc since the war.
Or that may be because Israel control the energy for the desalination plants.
But notwithstanding that, palenstinians didn't have enough. And it appears Israel controlled their ability to become self sufficient.
As with everything there are comple layers after complex layers. Historically Gaza has been able to supply 90% of its own water. But through mismanagement from Hamas this has meant that their water has suffered from contamination.
Israel has only supplied 10% of their water.
So the lack of drinkable water is the fault of Hamas, well before this current conflict. Hamas has other priorities than providing fresh water. Terrorism is obviously very expensive.
Saying that Israel is responsible for cutting off water to Gaza is true, they have. Bit it's not the 'whole' truth. Hamas have cut of 90% of Gazas water to its own civilians in that they have not maintained their water infrastructure.
It doesn't matter to Hamas because it makes a great sound bite to blame the 'terrorist regime of Israel' for depriving ALL of Gazas water, when in reality it's only ever been just under 10%. They have deprived their own citizens just over 90% through prioritising missed strikes over drinking water.
It does make great propaganda for Hamas's cause of the total wipe out of Israrl and the Jewish people.
And as for Istael not supplying water aid, I cannot recall any war were this was done whilst the conflict was occurring.
Why hasn't Egypt set in aid, water, took in refugees etc,
Mrs xI have no idea how much of that is true. However I've seen nothing in the reports you linked to which backs that up.
There are issues in WB as well which means it's more than just a hamas thing.
As you seem knowledgeable can you expand on the point amnesty made that suggested Palestinians could not construct any new water installation without first obtaining a permit from the Israeli army. "Since then, the extraction of water from any new source or the development of any new water infrastructure would require permits from Israel, which are near impossible to obtain"
I quoted from an article, from an independent think tank CSIS, which gave the figures I have used.
The infrastructure of Gazas water supply has deteriorated over time and is now very much undrinkable. But Israel has not been in Gaza since 2005.
So Hamas has been in power but has chosen to neglect this vital part of the infrastructure.
They have however bought lots and lots of weapons, missiles to strike into Israel.
So when the water supply was new and working Gaza was 90% sufficient in water. It was not for Istael to maintain this as they came out of Gaza, it was down to Hamas.
I'm not 100% sure about the licensing arrangements but from a commonsense point of view, would you agree to hydrate a hostile population, who have launched thousands of misses at you and who you know have a constitution which states their aims of the destruction of your state and the genocide of your people. Would you aid them to complete this goal.
Gaza did import water at an expensive amount per meter cubed. Maybe this was a deliberate act by Israel, to cause this additional cost, thinking that if Gaza had less money to spend now, they might not be able to purchase as many missles.
In essence Israel were forcing an economic decision on Gaza. Use your budget to maintain your exsiting water supply, which has been established catered for 90% of their needs and hydrate your citizens OR ignore you're citizens basic human needs and purchase more weapons to attack Israel and achieve your violent, genocidal objectives.
It's not as black and white as the headlines of 'ISRAEL CUTS OFF WATER TO GAZA', makes for great pro Palestinian propaganda and sound bites on Twitter, but it's not the whole truth...just 10%.
Hamas fault for chosing missles over water,
Mrs xI agree it's not black and white. Tho I sense you have a landing to one side.
I've not found the 90pc sufficient stat or that if it's 90pc from the bay that it was at some point mainly drinkable.
I'd also disagree that Israel are being asked to hydraye a hostile population but instead are imposing rules on another country. And I don't know how much those rules get in the way of allowing hamas or PLO the choice of where to spend money.
But I would bet that poor water creates hostility. The middle east chicken and egg.
But tbh when amnesty are calling Israel out, then I lean towards there being an issue that Israel are fuelling. "I agree with you that Amnesty are a wonderful organisation, with wonderful aims. However they deal in the here and now. So whilst it would seem true, the switching off of water from Israel to Gaza is a humanitarian crisis but without understanding why it's not the complete truth. The facts I have given, I have also stated that this has been reported in loads of places, one such one is The Guardian, which even if you don't agree with its political leanings is a reputable source. Israel are not imposing rules on Gaza by restricting their water, they are just not aiding that country after October 7th. If England was attacked by another country would you expect England to keep supplying said country, with water, oil, gas etc. So that the other countries infrastructure could continue and thus attack England again. Now I know that everyone is rightly appalled by the suffering that's committed on Gazas innocent population. They didn't do anything to Israel after all. But it's not up to Israel to look after other people's civilians. Hamas chose to not keep their water supply functioning properly, depriving their citizens of a basic human need. Hamas chose to commit terrorism on October 7th, knowing that there was a chance of retaliation. Hamas chose to purchase thousands of missiles and fire them indiscriminately at Israel, killing thousands of innocent Israelis. Of the 5 wars Israel has been in since its creation, do you know how many they started?..... None. You said you believe I fell on one side of the argument and I do but it's not Israels or the Palestinians. I fall on the side which is against terrorism. After having terrorism visited on my family, friends and I, I cannot condone terrorism of any sort, it's never acceptable, never, Mrs x | |||
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" If the palisitinians move from palistine into the Sinai desert , they'll need to rehplant their ancient olive trees, Will they grow well in the arid sands of the Sinai desert? Fuuuuukin hell! I'll have a pint of what your having! Maybe they should get some irrigation lessons from Israel then, considering it was the Zionist settlers who irrigated and made the land fertile again. Also, they're fucking trees. A Victorian Englishman learned Arabic and did a grand tour of Palestine. Sorry can’t remember his name. He wrote a journal. Every usable piece of land was farmed. You are repeating a popular lie. A lie taught to people who receive Israeli media training. All of your comments could come from that crib sheet couldn’t they? And Zionist settlers irrigated unusable land and made it fertile. In doing so they also eradicated the mosquito proble. Isreal controls the water supply. Actually before October Gaza controlled 90% of its own water, Israel supplied 10%, through 3 pipelines. Mrs xsource ? Amnesty paints a different picture. Amnesty does and I'm not saying they are wrong but when they talk about the contaminated water that's down to mismanagement by Hamas. Traditionally Israel only supplied about 10% of the water. The Israel Times, Mrs x Oh well if the Israel Times says it then it must be true 'About 90 percent of Gaza’s water supply comes from the Coastal Aquifer Basin, which runs along the eastern Mediterranean coast from Egypt through Gaza and into Israel. However, the water is brackish and contaminated due to seawater intrusion, overextraction, and sewage and chemical infiltration. Consequently, Gazans rely on small-scale desalination units and unregulated private water tankers, which can be costly and pose additional health risks. The remaining 10 percent of water not pumped from the Coastal Aquifer comes primarily from three Israeli pipelines and from small-scale seawater desalination plants.' This quote is from CSIS but you can see similar in The Guardian, Unicef and lots of others.... is that better for you?
Mrs xthx! the maths on their reports are unclear.
Is that 90c before or after the fact that 96px is undrinkable.
Could explain why there been a fall of 95pc since the war.
Or that may be because Israel control the energy for the desalination plants.
But notwithstanding that, palenstinians didn't have enough. And it appears Israel controlled their ability to become self sufficient.
As with everything there are comple layers after complex layers. Historically Gaza has been able to supply 90% of its own water. But through mismanagement from Hamas this has meant that their water has suffered from contamination.
Israel has only supplied 10% of their water.
So the lack of drinkable water is the fault of Hamas, well before this current conflict. Hamas has other priorities than providing fresh water. Terrorism is obviously very expensive.
Saying that Israel is responsible for cutting off water to Gaza is true, they have. Bit it's not the 'whole' truth. Hamas have cut of 90% of Gazas water to its own civilians in that they have not maintained their water infrastructure.
It doesn't matter to Hamas because it makes a great sound bite to blame the 'terrorist regime of Israel' for depriving ALL of Gazas water, when in reality it's only ever been just under 10%. They have deprived their own citizens just over 90% through prioritising missed strikes over drinking water.
It does make great propaganda for Hamas's cause of the total wipe out of Israrl and the Jewish people.
And as for Istael not supplying water aid, I cannot recall any war were this was done whilst the conflict was occurring.
Why hasn't Egypt set in aid, water, took in refugees etc,
Mrs xI have no idea how much of that is true. However I've seen nothing in the reports you linked to which backs that up.
There are issues in WB as well which means it's more than just a hamas thing.
As you seem knowledgeable can you expand on the point amnesty made that suggested Palestinians could not construct any new water installation without first obtaining a permit from the Israeli army. "Since then, the extraction of water from any new source or the development of any new water infrastructure would require permits from Israel, which are near impossible to obtain"
I quoted from an article, from an independent think tank CSIS, which gave the figures I have used.
The infrastructure of Gazas water supply has deteriorated over time and is now very much undrinkable. But Israel has not been in Gaza since 2005.
So Hamas has been in power but has chosen to neglect this vital part of the infrastructure.
They have however bought lots and lots of weapons, missiles to strike into Israel.
So when the water supply was new and working Gaza was 90% sufficient in water. It was not for Istael to maintain this as they came out of Gaza, it was down to Hamas.
I'm not 100% sure about the licensing arrangements but from a commonsense point of view, would you agree to hydrate a hostile population, who have launched thousands of misses at you and who you know have a constitution which states their aims of the destruction of your state and the genocide of your people. Would you aid them to complete this goal.
Gaza did import water at an expensive amount per meter cubed. Maybe this was a deliberate act by Israel, to cause this additional cost, thinking that if Gaza had less money to spend now, they might not be able to purchase as many missles.
In essence Israel were forcing an economic decision on Gaza. Use your budget to maintain your exsiting water supply, which has been established catered for 90% of their needs and hydrate your citizens OR ignore you're citizens basic human needs and purchase more weapons to attack Israel and achieve your violent, genocidal objectives.
It's not as black and white as the headlines of 'ISRAEL CUTS OFF WATER TO GAZA', makes for great pro Palestinian propaganda and sound bites on Twitter, but it's not the whole truth...just 10%.
Hamas fault for chosing missles over water,
Mrs xI agree it's not black and white. Tho I sense you have a landing to one side.
I've not found the 90pc sufficient stat or that if it's 90pc from the bay that it was at some point mainly drinkable.
I'd also disagree that Israel are being asked to hydraye a hostile population but instead are imposing rules on another country. And I don't know how much those rules get in the way of allowing hamas or PLO the choice of where to spend money.
But I would bet that poor water creates hostility. The middle east chicken and egg.
But tbh when amnesty are calling Israel out, then I lean towards there being an issue that Israel are fuelling. I agree with you that Amnesty are a wonderful organisation, with wonderful aims. However they deal in the here and now. So whilst it would seem true, the switching off of water from Israel to Gaza is a humanitarian crisis but without understanding why it's not the complete truth.
The facts I have given, I have also stated that this has been reported in loads of places, one such one is The Guardian, which even if you don't agree with its political leanings is a reputable source.
Israel are not imposing rules on Gaza by restricting their water, they are just not aiding that country after October 7th.
If England was attacked by another country would you expect England to keep supplying said country, with water, oil, gas etc. So that the other countries infrastructure could continue and thus attack England again.
Now I know that everyone is rightly appalled by the suffering that's committed on Gazas innocent population. They didn't do anything to Israel after all.
But it's not up to Israel to look after other people's civilians.
Hamas chose to not keep their water supply functioning properly, depriving their citizens of a basic human need.
Hamas chose to commit terrorism on October 7th, knowing that there was a chance of retaliation.
Hamas chose to purchase thousands of missiles and fire them indiscriminately at Israel, killing thousands of innocent Israelis.
Of the 5 wars Israel has been in since its creation, do you know how many they started?..... None.
You said you believe I fell on one side of the argument and I do but it's not Israels or the Palestinians. I fall on the side which is against terrorism.
After having terrorism visited on my family, friends and I, I cannot condone terrorism of any sort, it's never acceptable, never,
Mrs x"the article I'm looking at covers some of the past too. I'd like to see something that says that palenstine was on a good place once. Even under the 1967 order. Would you be happy of we had to ask France in order to build water infrastructure? Hamas are terrorists. I'm keen to understand if the water issue persisted before them. The order certainly does. And the fact there are similar issues in WB suggest this isn't all hamas doing. | |||
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"When I said just now that...'it's not up to Israel to look after other people's civilians'. I should add that I'm not denying Israel has not killed innocent civilians but whilst a terrorist regime hides itself behind innocents then they are actively putting these innocents in harms way. If Israels aims was to wipe the Palestinians out of Gaza they could do this quite easily. After all Israel has total air supremacy. What they want is to rid Gaza of terrorists once and for all. Unfortunately Hamas are hiding behind woman and children. Whilst their leadership is 'holed" up in 5 star luxury in other Arab states, Mrs x" What they want is to get rid of all Palestinians in Gaza, by any murderous, illegal but backed by the West, way. They want the land and don't care who they kill to get it. The water shortage and illegal Isreali settlers on hilltops dumping untreated sewage,manure and wastewater into the valleys thereby polluting Palestinian water is not caused by Hamas. If my community were walled in, violated, and lived in an apartheid state I'd fight my oppressors too. | |||
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" If the palisitinians move from palistine into the Sinai desert , they'll need to rehplant their ancient olive trees, Will they grow well in the arid sands of the Sinai desert? Fuuuuukin hell! I'll have a pint of what your having! Maybe they should get some irrigation lessons from Israel then, considering it was the Zionist settlers who irrigated and made the land fertile again. Also, they're fucking trees. A Victorian Englishman learned Arabic and did a grand tour of Palestine. Sorry can’t remember his name. He wrote a journal. Every usable piece of land was farmed. You are repeating a popular lie. A lie taught to people who receive Israeli media training. All of your comments could come from that crib sheet couldn’t they? And Zionist settlers irrigated unusable land and made it fertile. In doing so they also eradicated the mosquito proble. Isreal controls the water supply. Actually before October Gaza controlled 90% of its own water, Israel supplied 10%, through 3 pipelines. Mrs xsource ? Amnesty paints a different picture. Amnesty does and I'm not saying they are wrong but when they talk about the contaminated water that's down to mismanagement by Hamas. Traditionally Israel only supplied about 10% of the water. The Israel Times, Mrs x Oh well if the Israel Times says it then it must be true 'About 90 percent of Gaza’s water supply comes from the Coastal Aquifer Basin, which runs along the eastern Mediterranean coast from Egypt through Gaza and into Israel. However, the water is brackish and contaminated due to seawater intrusion, overextraction, and sewage and chemical infiltration. Consequently, Gazans rely on small-scale desalination units and unregulated private water tankers, which can be costly and pose additional health risks. The remaining 10 percent of water not pumped from the Coastal Aquifer comes primarily from three Israeli pipelines and from small-scale seawater desalination plants.' This quote is from CSIS but you can see similar in The Guardian, Unicef and lots of others.... is that better for you?
Mrs xthx! the maths on their reports are unclear.
Is that 90c before or after the fact that 96px is undrinkable.
Could explain why there been a fall of 95pc since the war.
Or that may be because Israel control the energy for the desalination plants.
But notwithstanding that, palenstinians didn't have enough. And it appears Israel controlled their ability to become self sufficient.
As with everything there are comple layers after complex layers. Historically Gaza has been able to supply 90% of its own water. But through mismanagement from Hamas this has meant that their water has suffered from contamination.
Israel has only supplied 10% of their water.
So the lack of drinkable water is the fault of Hamas, well before this current conflict. Hamas has other priorities than providing fresh water. Terrorism is obviously very expensive.
Saying that Israel is responsible for cutting off water to Gaza is true, they have. Bit it's not the 'whole' truth. Hamas have cut of 90% of Gazas water to its own civilians in that they have not maintained their water infrastructure.
It doesn't matter to Hamas because it makes a great sound bite to blame the 'terrorist regime of Israel' for depriving ALL of Gazas water, when in reality it's only ever been just under 10%. They have deprived their own citizens just over 90% through prioritising missed strikes over drinking water.
It does make great propaganda for Hamas's cause of the total wipe out of Israrl and the Jewish people.
And as for Istael not supplying water aid, I cannot recall any war were this was done whilst the conflict was occurring.
Why hasn't Egypt set in aid, water, took in refugees etc,
Mrs xI have no idea how much of that is true. However I've seen nothing in the reports you linked to which backs that up.
There are issues in WB as well which means it's more than just a hamas thing.
As you seem knowledgeable can you expand on the point amnesty made that suggested Palestinians could not construct any new water installation without first obtaining a permit from the Israeli army. "Since then, the extraction of water from any new source or the development of any new water infrastructure would require permits from Israel, which are near impossible to obtain"
I quoted from an article, from an independent think tank CSIS, which gave the figures I have used.
The infrastructure of Gazas water supply has deteriorated over time and is now very much undrinkable. But Israel has not been in Gaza since 2005.
So Hamas has been in power but has chosen to neglect this vital part of the infrastructure.
They have however bought lots and lots of weapons, missiles to strike into Israel.
So when the water supply was new and working Gaza was 90% sufficient in water. It was not for Istael to maintain this as they came out of Gaza, it was down to Hamas.
I'm not 100% sure about the licensing arrangements but from a commonsense point of view, would you agree to hydrate a hostile population, who have launched thousands of misses at you and who you know have a constitution which states their aims of the destruction of your state and the genocide of your people. Would you aid them to complete this goal.
Gaza did import water at an expensive amount per meter cubed. Maybe this was a deliberate act by Israel, to cause this additional cost, thinking that if Gaza had less money to spend now, they might not be able to purchase as many missles.
In essence Israel were forcing an economic decision on Gaza. Use your budget to maintain your exsiting water supply, which has been established catered for 90% of their needs and hydrate your citizens OR ignore you're citizens basic human needs and purchase more weapons to attack Israel and achieve your violent, genocidal objectives.
It's not as black and white as the headlines of 'ISRAEL CUTS OFF WATER TO GAZA', makes for great pro Palestinian propaganda and sound bites on Twitter, but it's not the whole truth...just 10%.
Hamas fault for chosing missles over water,
Mrs xI agree it's not black and white. Tho I sense you have a landing to one side.
I've not found the 90pc sufficient stat or that if it's 90pc from the bay that it was at some point mainly drinkable.
I'd also disagree that Israel are being asked to hydraye a hostile population but instead are imposing rules on another country. And I don't know how much those rules get in the way of allowing hamas or PLO the choice of where to spend money.
But I would bet that poor water creates hostility. The middle east chicken and egg.
But tbh when amnesty are calling Israel out, then I lean towards there being an issue that Israel are fuelling. I agree with you that Amnesty are a wonderful organisation, with wonderful aims. However they deal in the here and now. So whilst it would seem true, the switching off of water from Israel to Gaza is a humanitarian crisis but without understanding why it's not the complete truth.
The facts I have given, I have also stated that this has been reported in loads of places, one such one is The Guardian, which even if you don't agree with its political leanings is a reputable source.
Israel are not imposing rules on Gaza by restricting their water, they are just not aiding that country after October 7th.
If England was attacked by another country would you expect England to keep supplying said country, with water, oil, gas etc. So that the other countries infrastructure could continue and thus attack England again.
Now I know that everyone is rightly appalled by the suffering that's committed on Gazas innocent population. They didn't do anything to Israel after all.
But it's not up to Israel to look after other people's civilians.
Hamas chose to not keep their water supply functioning properly, depriving their citizens of a basic human need.
Hamas chose to commit terrorism on October 7th, knowing that there was a chance of retaliation.
Hamas chose to purchase thousands of missiles and fire them indiscriminately at Israel, killing thousands of innocent Israelis.
Of the 5 wars Israel has been in since its creation, do you know how many they started?..... None.
You said you believe I fell on one side of the argument and I do but it's not Israels or the Palestinians. I fall on the side which is against terrorism.
After having terrorism visited on my family, friends and I, I cannot condone terrorism of any sort, it's never acceptable, never,
Mrs xthe article I'm looking at covers some of the past too. I'd like to see something that says that palenstine was on a good place once. Even under the 1967 order. Would you be happy of we had to ask France in order to build water infrastructure?
Hamas are terrorists. I'm keen to understand if the water issue persisted before them. The order certainly does. And the fact there are similar issues in WB suggest this isn't all hamas doing.
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" If the palisitinians move from palistine into the Sinai desert , they'll need to rehplant their ancient olive trees, Will they grow well in the arid sands of the Sinai desert? Fuuuuukin hell! I'll have a pint of what your having! Maybe they should get some irrigation lessons from Israel then, considering it was the Zionist settlers who irrigated and made the land fertile again. Also, they're fucking trees. A Victorian Englishman learned Arabic and did a grand tour of Palestine. Sorry can’t remember his name. He wrote a journal. Every usable piece of land was farmed. You are repeating a popular lie. A lie taught to people who receive Israeli media training. All of your comments could come from that crib sheet couldn’t they? And Zionist settlers irrigated unusable land and made it fertile. In doing so they also eradicated the mosquito proble. Isreal controls the water supply. Actually before October Gaza controlled 90% of its own water, Israel supplied 10%, through 3 pipelines. Mrs xsource ? Amnesty paints a different picture. Amnesty does and I'm not saying they are wrong but when they talk about the contaminated water that's down to mismanagement by Hamas. Traditionally Israel only supplied about 10% of the water. The Israel Times, Mrs x Oh well if the Israel Times says it then it must be true 'About 90 percent of Gaza’s water supply comes from the Coastal Aquifer Basin, which runs along the eastern Mediterranean coast from Egypt through Gaza and into Israel. However, the water is brackish and contaminated due to seawater intrusion, overextraction, and sewage and chemical infiltration. Consequently, Gazans rely on small-scale desalination units and unregulated private water tankers, which can be costly and pose additional health risks. The remaining 10 percent of water not pumped from the Coastal Aquifer comes primarily from three Israeli pipelines and from small-scale seawater desalination plants.' This quote is from CSIS but you can see similar in The Guardian, Unicef and lots of others.... is that better for you?
Mrs xthx! the maths on their reports are unclear.
Is that 90c before or after the fact that 96px is undrinkable.
Could explain why there been a fall of 95pc since the war.
Or that may be because Israel control the energy for the desalination plants.
But notwithstanding that, palenstinians didn't have enough. And it appears Israel controlled their ability to become self sufficient.
As with everything there are comple layers after complex layers. Historically Gaza has been able to supply 90% of its own water. But through mismanagement from Hamas this has meant that their water has suffered from contamination.
Israel has only supplied 10% of their water.
So the lack of drinkable water is the fault of Hamas, well before this current conflict. Hamas has other priorities than providing fresh water. Terrorism is obviously very expensive.
Saying that Israel is responsible for cutting off water to Gaza is true, they have. Bit it's not the 'whole' truth. Hamas have cut of 90% of Gazas water to its own civilians in that they have not maintained their water infrastructure.
It doesn't matter to Hamas because it makes a great sound bite to blame the 'terrorist regime of Israel' for depriving ALL of Gazas water, when in reality it's only ever been just under 10%. They have deprived their own citizens just over 90% through prioritising missed strikes over drinking water.
It does make great propaganda for Hamas's cause of the total wipe out of Israrl and the Jewish people.
And as for Istael not supplying water aid, I cannot recall any war were this was done whilst the conflict was occurring.
Why hasn't Egypt set in aid, water, took in refugees etc,
Mrs xI have no idea how much of that is true. However I've seen nothing in the reports you linked to which backs that up.
There are issues in WB as well which means it's more than just a hamas thing.
As you seem knowledgeable can you expand on the point amnesty made that suggested Palestinians could not construct any new water installation without first obtaining a permit from the Israeli army. "Since then, the extraction of water from any new source or the development of any new water infrastructure would require permits from Israel, which are near impossible to obtain"
I quoted from an article, from an independent think tank CSIS, which gave the figures I have used.
The infrastructure of Gazas water supply has deteriorated over time and is now very much undrinkable. But Israel has not been in Gaza since 2005.
So Hamas has been in power but has chosen to neglect this vital part of the infrastructure.
They have however bought lots and lots of weapons, missiles to strike into Israel.
So when the water supply was new and working Gaza was 90% sufficient in water. It was not for Istael to maintain this as they came out of Gaza, it was down to Hamas.
I'm not 100% sure about the licensing arrangements but from a commonsense point of view, would you agree to hydrate a hostile population, who have launched thousands of misses at you and who you know have a constitution which states their aims of the destruction of your state and the genocide of your people. Would you aid them to complete this goal.
Gaza did import water at an expensive amount per meter cubed. Maybe this was a deliberate act by Israel, to cause this additional cost, thinking that if Gaza had less money to spend now, they might not be able to purchase as many missles.
In essence Israel were forcing an economic decision on Gaza. Use your budget to maintain your exsiting water supply, which has been established catered for 90% of their needs and hydrate your citizens OR ignore you're citizens basic human needs and purchase more weapons to attack Israel and achieve your violent, genocidal objectives.
It's not as black and white as the headlines of 'ISRAEL CUTS OFF WATER TO GAZA', makes for great pro Palestinian propaganda and sound bites on Twitter, but it's not the whole truth...just 10%.
Hamas fault for chosing missles over water,
Mrs xI agree it's not black and white. Tho I sense you have a landing to one side.
I've not found the 90pc sufficient stat or that if it's 90pc from the bay that it was at some point mainly drinkable.
I'd also disagree that Israel are being asked to hydraye a hostile population but instead are imposing rules on another country. And I don't know how much those rules get in the way of allowing hamas or PLO the choice of where to spend money.
But I would bet that poor water creates hostility. The middle east chicken and egg.
But tbh when amnesty are calling Israel out, then I lean towards there being an issue that Israel are fuelling. I agree with you that Amnesty are a wonderful organisation, with wonderful aims. However they deal in the here and now. So whilst it would seem true, the switching off of water from Israel to Gaza is a humanitarian crisis but without understanding why it's not the complete truth.
The facts I have given, I have also stated that this has been reported in loads of places, one such one is The Guardian, which even if you don't agree with its political leanings is a reputable source.
Israel are not imposing rules on Gaza by restricting their water, they are just not aiding that country after October 7th.
If England was attacked by another country would you expect England to keep supplying said country, with water, oil, gas etc. So that the other countries infrastructure could continue and thus attack England again.
Now I know that everyone is rightly appalled by the suffering that's committed on Gazas innocent population. They didn't do anything to Israel after all.
But it's not up to Israel to look after other people's civilians.
Hamas chose to not keep their water supply functioning properly, depriving their citizens of a basic human need.
Hamas chose to commit terrorism on October 7th, knowing that there was a chance of retaliation.
Hamas chose to purchase thousands of missiles and fire them indiscriminately at Israel, killing thousands of innocent Israelis.
Of the 5 wars Israel has been in since its creation, do you know how many they started?..... None.
You said you believe I fell on one side of the argument and I do but it's not Israels or the Palestinians. I fall on the side which is against terrorism.
After having terrorism visited on my family, friends and I, I cannot condone terrorism of any sort, it's never acceptable, never,
Mrs xthe article I'm looking at covers some of the past too. I'd like to see something that says that palenstine was on a good place once. Even under the 1967 order. Would you be happy of we had to ask France in order to build water infrastructure?
Hamas are terrorists. I'm keen to understand if the water issue persisted before them. The order certainly does. And the fact there are similar issues in WB suggest this isn't all hamas doing.
"ok I'll answer you about the France thing first. It's not relative at all. We are not in conflict and neither country have had any claim on the other since we handed Calais back. Neither country has fired missiles at each other either. Prior to 1967 Haza was under the control of Egypt. After the war the Israelis occupied Gaza. Like I said previously I know nothing of the licenses but I am sure that they exist and that's the case. However their are utility bodies set up in the region to regulate this. However they face huge problems, such as over consumption by the Israelis which led to the salivation of the Coastal Aquifer and subsequent poor water quality. These problems are compounded by illegal connections in the water pipe work of approximately 16000 illegal connections by Palestinians in Gaza. This has aggravated water leakage problems from the deteriorating supply network. A desalination plant was built in 1997, owned by Austria. Their have been discussions for over 20 years about building a larger plant. The Palestinian Water Authority haf approved a $500 million facility. Israel supports it and had quietly begun to offer Palestinians desalination training. This doesn't appear to suit the current narrative. This has not been started due to interference from a number of bodies, including Hamas and Fatah. The situation with the water is not helped by the years of conflict but as I already stated there isn't one instance we're Israel started the conflict. Mrs x | |||
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" If the palisitinians move from palistine into the Sinai desert , they'll need to rehplant their ancient olive trees, Will they grow well in the arid sands of the Sinai desert? Fuuuuukin hell! I'll have a pint of what your having! Maybe they should get some irrigation lessons from Israel then, considering it was the Zionist settlers who irrigated and made the land fertile again. Also, they're fucking trees. A Victorian Englishman learned Arabic and did a grand tour of Palestine. Sorry can’t remember his name. He wrote a journal. Every usable piece of land was farmed. You are repeating a popular lie. A lie taught to people who receive Israeli media training. All of your comments could come from that crib sheet couldn’t they? And Zionist settlers irrigated unusable land and made it fertile. In doing so they also eradicated the mosquito proble. Isreal controls the water supply. Actually before October Gaza controlled 90% of its own water, Israel supplied 10%, through 3 pipelines. Mrs xsource ? Amnesty paints a different picture. Amnesty does and I'm not saying they are wrong but when they talk about the contaminated water that's down to mismanagement by Hamas. Traditionally Israel only supplied about 10% of the water. The Israel Times, Mrs x Oh well if the Israel Times says it then it must be true 'About 90 percent of Gaza’s water supply comes from the Coastal Aquifer Basin, which runs along the eastern Mediterranean coast from Egypt through Gaza and into Israel. However, the water is brackish and contaminated due to seawater intrusion, overextraction, and sewage and chemical infiltration. Consequently, Gazans rely on small-scale desalination units and unregulated private water tankers, which can be costly and pose additional health risks. The remaining 10 percent of water not pumped from the Coastal Aquifer comes primarily from three Israeli pipelines and from small-scale seawater desalination plants.' This quote is from CSIS but you can see similar in The Guardian, Unicef and lots of others.... is that better for you?
Mrs xthx! the maths on their reports are unclear.
Is that 90c before or after the fact that 96px is undrinkable.
Could explain why there been a fall of 95pc since the war.
Or that may be because Israel control the energy for the desalination plants.
But notwithstanding that, palenstinians didn't have enough. And it appears Israel controlled their ability to become self sufficient.
As with everything there are comple layers after complex layers. Historically Gaza has been able to supply 90% of its own water. But through mismanagement from Hamas this has meant that their water has suffered from contamination.
Israel has only supplied 10% of their water.
So the lack of drinkable water is the fault of Hamas, well before this current conflict. Hamas has other priorities than providing fresh water. Terrorism is obviously very expensive.
Saying that Israel is responsible for cutting off water to Gaza is true, they have. Bit it's not the 'whole' truth. Hamas have cut of 90% of Gazas water to its own civilians in that they have not maintained their water infrastructure.
It doesn't matter to Hamas because it makes a great sound bite to blame the 'terrorist regime of Israel' for depriving ALL of Gazas water, when in reality it's only ever been just under 10%. They have deprived their own citizens just over 90% through prioritising missed strikes over drinking water.
It does make great propaganda for Hamas's cause of the total wipe out of Israrl and the Jewish people.
And as for Istael not supplying water aid, I cannot recall any war were this was done whilst the conflict was occurring.
Why hasn't Egypt set in aid, water, took in refugees etc,
Mrs xI have no idea how much of that is true. However I've seen nothing in the reports you linked to which backs that up.
There are issues in WB as well which means it's more than just a hamas thing.
As you seem knowledgeable can you expand on the point amnesty made that suggested Palestinians could not construct any new water installation without first obtaining a permit from the Israeli army. "Since then, the extraction of water from any new source or the development of any new water infrastructure would require permits from Israel, which are near impossible to obtain"
I quoted from an article, from an independent think tank CSIS, which gave the figures I have used.
The infrastructure of Gazas water supply has deteriorated over time and is now very much undrinkable. But Israel has not been in Gaza since 2005.
So Hamas has been in power but has chosen to neglect this vital part of the infrastructure.
They have however bought lots and lots of weapons, missiles to strike into Israel.
So when the water supply was new and working Gaza was 90% sufficient in water. It was not for Istael to maintain this as they came out of Gaza, it was down to Hamas.
I'm not 100% sure about the licensing arrangements but from a commonsense point of view, would you agree to hydrate a hostile population, who have launched thousands of misses at you and who you know have a constitution which states their aims of the destruction of your state and the genocide of your people. Would you aid them to complete this goal.
Gaza did import water at an expensive amount per meter cubed. Maybe this was a deliberate act by Israel, to cause this additional cost, thinking that if Gaza had less money to spend now, they might not be able to purchase as many missles.
In essence Israel were forcing an economic decision on Gaza. Use your budget to maintain your exsiting water supply, which has been established catered for 90% of their needs and hydrate your citizens OR ignore you're citizens basic human needs and purchase more weapons to attack Israel and achieve your violent, genocidal objectives.
It's not as black and white as the headlines of 'ISRAEL CUTS OFF WATER TO GAZA', makes for great pro Palestinian propaganda and sound bites on Twitter, but it's not the whole truth...just 10%.
Hamas fault for chosing missles over water,
Mrs xI agree it's not black and white. Tho I sense you have a landing to one side.
I've not found the 90pc sufficient stat or that if it's 90pc from the bay that it was at some point mainly drinkable.
I'd also disagree that Israel are being asked to hydraye a hostile population but instead are imposing rules on another country. And I don't know how much those rules get in the way of allowing hamas or PLO the choice of where to spend money.
But I would bet that poor water creates hostility. The middle east chicken and egg.
But tbh when amnesty are calling Israel out, then I lean towards there being an issue that Israel are fuelling. I agree with you that Amnesty are a wonderful organisation, with wonderful aims. However they deal in the here and now. So whilst it would seem true, the switching off of water from Israel to Gaza is a humanitarian crisis but without understanding why it's not the complete truth.
The facts I have given, I have also stated that this has been reported in loads of places, one such one is The Guardian, which even if you don't agree with its political leanings is a reputable source.
Israel are not imposing rules on Gaza by restricting their water, they are just not aiding that country after October 7th.
If England was attacked by another country would you expect England to keep supplying said country, with water, oil, gas etc. So that the other countries infrastructure could continue and thus attack England again.
Now I know that everyone is rightly appalled by the suffering that's committed on Gazas innocent population. They didn't do anything to Israel after all.
But it's not up to Israel to look after other people's civilians.
Hamas chose to not keep their water supply functioning properly, depriving their citizens of a basic human need.
Hamas chose to commit terrorism on October 7th, knowing that there was a chance of retaliation.
Hamas chose to purchase thousands of missiles and fire them indiscriminately at Israel, killing thousands of innocent Israelis.
Of the 5 wars Israel has been in since its creation, do you know how many they started?..... None.
You said you believe I fell on one side of the argument and I do but it's not Israels or the Palestinians. I fall on the side which is against terrorism.
After having terrorism visited on my family, friends and I, I cannot condone terrorism of any sort, it's never acceptable, never,
Mrs xthe article I'm looking at covers some of the past too. I'd like to see something that says that palenstine was on a good place once. Even under the 1967 order. Would you be happy of we had to ask France in order to build water infrastructure?
Hamas are terrorists. I'm keen to understand if the water issue persisted before them. The order certainly does. And the fact there are similar issues in WB suggest this isn't all hamas doing.
France owns some of our water and electricity companies."Which they bought legally, no violence committed by either side, Mrs x | |||
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"When I said just now that...'it's not up to Israel to look after other people's civilians'. I should add that I'm not denying Israel has not killed innocent civilians but whilst a terrorist regime hides itself behind innocents then they are actively putting these innocents in harms way. If Israels aims was to wipe the Palestinians out of Gaza they could do this quite easily. After all Israel has total air supremacy. What they want is to rid Gaza of terrorists once and for all. Unfortunately Hamas are hiding behind woman and children. Whilst their leadership is 'holed" up in 5 star luxury in other Arab states, Mrs x What they want is to get rid of all Palestinians in Gaza, by any murderous, illegal but backed by the West, way. They want the land and don't care who they kill to get it. The water shortage and illegal Isreali settlers on hilltops dumping untreated sewage,manure and wastewater into the valleys thereby polluting Palestinian water is not caused by Hamas. If my community were walled in, violated, and lived in an apartheid state I'd fight my oppressors too. " Walled in, how are they walled in? How is it an apartheid state? There are no Jews currently in Gaza, they were dragged out in 2005 by IDF soldiers, Mrs x | |||
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"When I said just now that...'it's not up to Israel to look after other people's civilians'. I should add that I'm not denying Israel has not killed innocent civilians but whilst a terrorist regime hides itself behind innocents then they are actively putting these innocents in harms way. If Israels aims was to wipe the Palestinians out of Gaza they could do this quite easily. After all Israel has total air supremacy. What they want is to rid Gaza of terrorists once and for all. Unfortunately Hamas are hiding behind woman and children. Whilst their leadership is 'holed" up in 5 star luxury in other Arab states, Mrs x What they want is to get rid of all Palestinians in Gaza, by any murderous, illegal but backed by the West, way. They want the land and don't care who they kill to get it. The water shortage and illegal Isreali settlers on hilltops dumping untreated sewage,manure and wastewater into the valleys thereby polluting Palestinian water is not caused by Hamas. If my community were walled in, violated, and lived in an apartheid state I'd fight my oppressors too. Walled in, how are they walled in? How is it an apartheid state? There are no Jews currently in Gaza, they were dragged out in 2005 by IDF soldiers, Mrs x" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza%E2%80%93Israel_barrier | |||
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"When I said just now that...'it's not up to Israel to look after other people's civilians'. I should add that I'm not denying Israel has not killed innocent civilians but whilst a terrorist regime hides itself behind innocents then they are actively putting these innocents in harms way. If Israels aims was to wipe the Palestinians out of Gaza they could do this quite easily. After all Israel has total air supremacy. What they want is to rid Gaza of terrorists once and for all. Unfortunately Hamas are hiding behind woman and children. Whilst their leadership is 'holed" up in 5 star luxury in other Arab states, Mrs x What they want is to get rid of all Palestinians in Gaza, by any murderous, illegal but backed by the West, way. They want the land and don't care who they kill to get it. The water shortage and illegal Isreali settlers on hilltops dumping untreated sewage,manure and wastewater into the valleys thereby polluting Palestinian water is not caused by Hamas. If my community were walled in, violated, and lived in an apartheid state I'd fight my oppressors too. Walled in, how are they walled in? How is it an apartheid state? There are no Jews currently in Gaza, they were dragged out in 2005 by IDF soldiers, Mrs x Because they were there illegally. Palestinians can't freely leave without the ok from Isreal. A fence along the border was first constructed by Israel in 1971 as a security barrier, and has been rebuilt and upgraded since. It was constructed by Israel to control the movement of people as well as goods between the Gaza Strip and Israel, which it could not achieve by normal border crossings." There is also one crossing along the Egypt–Gaza border, the Rafah Crossing, though it is limited to the crossing of people; as per Israel's demand, any cargo or goods that are to enter Gaza must go through Israel, usually through the Kerem Shalom border. | |||
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"When I said just now that...'it's not up to Israel to look after other people's civilians'. I should add that I'm not denying Israel has not killed innocent civilians but whilst a terrorist regime hides itself behind innocents then they are actively putting these innocents in harms way. If Israels aims was to wipe the Palestinians out of Gaza they could do this quite easily. After all Israel has total air supremacy. What they want is to rid Gaza of terrorists once and for all. Unfortunately Hamas are hiding behind woman and children. Whilst their leadership is 'holed" up in 5 star luxury in other Arab states, Mrs x What they want is to get rid of all Palestinians in Gaza, by any murderous, illegal but backed by the West, way. They want the land and don't care who they kill to get it. The water shortage and illegal Isreali settlers on hilltops dumping untreated sewage,manure and wastewater into the valleys thereby polluting Palestinian water is not caused by Hamas. If my community were walled in, violated, and lived in an apartheid state I'd fight my oppressors too. Walled in, how are they walled in? How is it an apartheid state? There are no Jews currently in Gaza, they were dragged out in 2005 by IDF soldiers, Mrs x Because they were there illegally. Palestinians can't freely leave without the ok from Isreal. A fence along the border was first constructed by Israel in 1971 as a security barrier, and has been rebuilt and upgraded since. It was constructed by Israel to control the movement of people as well as goods between the Gaza Strip and Israel, which it could not achieve by normal border crossings. There is also one crossing along the Egypt–Gaza border, the Rafah Crossing, though it is limited to the crossing of people; as per Israel's demand, any cargo or goods that are to enter Gaza must go through Israel, usually through the Kerem Shalom border." The Israelis are not in Gaza illegally, they aren't even in Gaza. They withdrew in 2005. This is not me making it up, it's a fact. Those Israelis who refused to move were forcibly evicted by the IDF. As for wanting to kill all Palestinians they could do that easily from the air, they have total air superiority. Also you are aware that Israel occupied Gaza after the 6 day war. Why would they give it back if their aim was to retake it at a later date? Mrs x | |||
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"When I said just now that...'it's not up to Israel to look after other people's civilians'. I should add that I'm not denying Israel has not killed innocent civilians but whilst a terrorist regime hides itself behind innocents then they are actively putting these innocents in harms way. If Israels aims was to wipe the Palestinians out of Gaza they could do this quite easily. After all Israel has total air supremacy. What they want is to rid Gaza of terrorists once and for all. Unfortunately Hamas are hiding behind woman and children. Whilst their leadership is 'holed" up in 5 star luxury in other Arab states, Mrs x What they want is to get rid of all Palestinians in Gaza, by any murderous, illegal but backed by the West, way. They want the land and don't care who they kill to get it. The water shortage and illegal Isreali settlers on hilltops dumping untreated sewage,manure and wastewater into the valleys thereby polluting Palestinian water is not caused by Hamas. If my community were walled in, violated, and lived in an apartheid state I'd fight my oppressors too. Walled in, how are they walled in? How is it an apartheid state? There are no Jews currently in Gaza, they were dragged out in 2005 by IDF soldiers, Mrs x Because they were there illegally. Palestinians can't freely leave without the ok from Isreal. A fence along the border was first constructed by Israel in 1971 as a security barrier, and has been rebuilt and upgraded since. It was constructed by Israel to control the movement of people as well as goods between the Gaza Strip and Israel, which it could not achieve by normal border crossings. There is also one crossing along the Egypt–Gaza border, the Rafah Crossing, though it is limited to the crossing of people; as per Israel's demand, any cargo or goods that are to enter Gaza must go through Israel, usually through the Kerem Shalom border.The Israelis are not in Gaza illegally, they aren't even in Gaza. They withdrew in 2005. This is not me making it up, it's a fact. Those Israelis who refused to move were forcibly evicted by the IDF. As for wanting to kill all Palestinians they could do that easily from the air, they have total air superiority. Also you are aware that Israel occupied Gaza after the 6 day war. Why would they give it back if their aim was to retake it at a later date? Mrs x" Jewish Illegal settlements are in the west Bank. They're killing Gazans now and about to commit yet another huge war Crime in the near future. Because the UN have stated that ground taken cannot be kept. That applies to all countries in the world. Yet another UN law the Isrealis ignore with impunity. | |||
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"In February 2001 Isreal discharged 3.5 million cubic meters of wastewater mixed with rain water into Northern Gaza strip towns. " So only Israel committs deplorable acts? And if I were to bring up historical acts they would just be brushed aside because they did not fit in your time frame. 23 years ago. At this point Palistinians had attacked Israel over a thousand times since it's creation in 1948. Is that OK though, because Palistinians aren't Jews? Mrs x | |||
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"When I said just now that...'it's not up to Israel to look after other people's civilians'. I should add that I'm not denying Israel has not killed innocent civilians but whilst a terrorist regime hides itself behind innocents then they are actively putting these innocents in harms way. If Israels aims was to wipe the Palestinians out of Gaza they could do this quite easily. After all Israel has total air supremacy. What they want is to rid Gaza of terrorists once and for all. Unfortunately Hamas are hiding behind woman and children. Whilst their leadership is 'holed" up in 5 star luxury in other Arab states, Mrs x What they want is to get rid of all Palestinians in Gaza, by any murderous, illegal but backed by the West, way. They want the land and don't care who they kill to get it. The water shortage and illegal Isreali settlers on hilltops dumping untreated sewage,manure and wastewater into the valleys thereby polluting Palestinian water is not caused by Hamas. If my community were walled in, violated, and lived in an apartheid state I'd fight my oppressors too. Walled in, how are they walled in? How is it an apartheid state? There are no Jews currently in Gaza, they were dragged out in 2005 by IDF soldiers, Mrs x Because they were there illegally. Palestinians can't freely leave without the ok from Isreal. A fence along the border was first constructed by Israel in 1971 as a security barrier, and has been rebuilt and upgraded since. It was constructed by Israel to control the movement of people as well as goods between the Gaza Strip and Israel, which it could not achieve by normal border crossings. There is also one crossing along the Egypt–Gaza border, the Rafah Crossing, though it is limited to the crossing of people; as per Israel's demand, any cargo or goods that are to enter Gaza must go through Israel, usually through the Kerem Shalom border.The Israelis are not in Gaza illegally, they aren't even in Gaza. They withdrew in 2005. This is not me making it up, it's a fact. Those Israelis who refused to move were forcibly evicted by the IDF. As for wanting to kill all Palestinians they could do that easily from the air, they have total air superiority. Also you are aware that Israel occupied Gaza after the 6 day war. Why would they give it back if their aim was to retake it at a later date? Mrs x Jewish Illegal settlements are in the west Bank. They're killing Gazans now and about to commit yet another huge war Crime in the near future. Because the UN have stated that ground taken cannot be kept. That applies to all countries in the world. Yet another UN law the Isrealis ignore with impunity. " Jewish settlements are illegal in the West Bank, no denying that. Yet it's no justification what Hamas is doing in Gaza. That's terrorism. So using your argument, the IRA were justified in murdering innocents, blowing up people and communities due to the 'illegal' occupation of the British forces in Northern Ireland. And the English created an apartheid system in Ireland when the constructed the border between Northern Ireland and Eire? Sure you will ignore this one, Mrs x | |||
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"Walled in, how are they walled in? How is it an apartheid state? There are no Jews currently in Gaza, they were dragged out in 2005 by IDF soldiers, Mrs x That's the idea of apartheid, as the word suggests... Palisitinians separated from the Jews who are deemed superior. It also makes it easier to collectively punish starve the palisitinians and bomb them indiscriminately without harming any jews That's like saying any country is an apartheid state. Israel cannot be an apartheid state as it allows Palestinians to live there. It allows Palestinians to be members of the Knessett. It's literally the opposite of an apartheid state. Mrs x" If not an apartheid state then why are palisitinians under military law yet Jews enjoy living under civil law. Gazans are restricted movement via the iron wall barrier. You say it's not because of a few Arab politicians but amnesty international, plus the UN investigators disagree with you | |||
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"When I said just now that...'it's not up to Israel to look after other people's civilians'. I should add that I'm not denying Israel has not killed innocent civilians but whilst a terrorist regime hides itself behind innocents then they are actively putting these innocents in harms way. If Israels aims was to wipe the Palestinians out of Gaza they could do this quite easily. After all Israel has total air supremacy. What they want is to rid Gaza of terrorists once and for all. Unfortunately Hamas are hiding behind woman and children. Whilst their leadership is 'holed" up in 5 star luxury in other Arab states, Mrs x What they want is to get rid of all Palestinians in Gaza, by any murderous, illegal but backed by the West, way. They want the land and don't care who they kill to get it. The water shortage and illegal Isreali settlers on hilltops dumping untreated sewage,manure and wastewater into the valleys thereby polluting Palestinian water is not caused by Hamas. If my community were walled in, violated, and lived in an apartheid state I'd fight my oppressors too. Walled in, how are they walled in? How is it an apartheid state? There are no Jews currently in Gaza, they were dragged out in 2005 by IDF soldiers, Mrs x Because they were there illegally. Palestinians can't freely leave without the ok from Isreal. A fence along the border was first constructed by Israel in 1971 as a security barrier, and has been rebuilt and upgraded since. It was constructed by Israel to control the movement of people as well as goods between the Gaza Strip and Israel, which it could not achieve by normal border crossings. There is also one crossing along the Egypt–Gaza border, the Rafah Crossing, though it is limited to the crossing of people; as per Israel's demand, any cargo or goods that are to enter Gaza must go through Israel, usually through the Kerem Shalom border.The Israelis are not in Gaza illegally, they aren't even in Gaza. They withdrew in 2005. This is not me making it up, it's a fact. Those Israelis who refused to move were forcibly evicted by the IDF. As for wanting to kill all Palestinians they could do that easily from the air, they have total air superiority. Also you are aware that Israel occupied Gaza after the 6 day war. Why would they give it back if their aim was to retake it at a later date? Mrs x Jewish Illegal settlements are in the west Bank. They're killing Gazans now and about to commit yet another huge war Crime in the near future. Because the UN have stated that ground taken cannot be kept. That applies to all countries in the world. Yet another UN law the Isrealis ignore with impunity. Jewish settlements are illegal in the West Bank, no denying that. Yet it's no justification what Hamas is doing in Gaza. That's terrorism. So using your argument, the IRA were justified in murdering innocents, blowing up people and communities due to the 'illegal' occupation of the British forces in Northern Ireland. And the English created an apartheid system in Ireland when the constructed the border between Northern Ireland and Eire? Sure you will ignore this one, Mrs x" I'm cooking my tea at the moment but will get back to you later | |||
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"Walled in, how are they walled in? How is it an apartheid state? There are no Jews currently in Gaza, they were dragged out in 2005 by IDF soldiers, Mrs x That's the idea of apartheid, as the word suggests... Palisitinians separated from the Jews who are deemed superior. It also makes it easier to collectively punish starve the palisitinians and bomb them indiscriminately without harming any jews That's like saying any country is an apartheid state. Israel cannot be an apartheid state as it allows Palestinians to live there. It allows Palestinians to be members of the Knessett. It's literally the opposite of an apartheid state. Mrs x If not an apartheid state then why are palisitinians under military law yet Jews enjoy living under civil law. Gazans are restricted movement via the iron wall barrier. You say it's not because of a few Arab politicians but amnesty international, plus the UN investigators disagree with you " Palestinians are not under military law. You are aware that the 'wall' between Eygpt and Gaza was actually welcomed by those in power in Gazs. They said it was Egypts 'right' to construct such a wall due to them being a sovereign state. They said nothing about the Israeli wall, maybe because that was built by Jews..... there's definitely a theme here, Mrs x | |||
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"When I said just now that...'it's not up to Israel to look after other people's civilians'. I should add that I'm not denying Israel has not killed innocent civilians but whilst a terrorist regime hides itself behind innocents then they are actively putting these innocents in harms way. If Israels aims was to wipe the Palestinians out of Gaza they could do this quite easily. After all Israel has total air supremacy. What they want is to rid Gaza of terrorists once and for all. Unfortunately Hamas are hiding behind woman and children. Whilst their leadership is 'holed" up in 5 star luxury in other Arab states, Mrs x What they want is to get rid of all Palestinians in Gaza, by any murderous, illegal but backed by the West, way. They want the land and don't care who they kill to get it. The water shortage and illegal Isreali settlers on hilltops dumping untreated sewage,manure and wastewater into the valleys thereby polluting Palestinian water is not caused by Hamas. If my community were walled in, violated, and lived in an apartheid state I'd fight my oppressors too. Walled in, how are they walled in? How is it an apartheid state? There are no Jews currently in Gaza, they were dragged out in 2005 by IDF soldiers, Mrs x Because they were there illegally. Palestinians can't freely leave without the ok from Isreal. A fence along the border was first constructed by Israel in 1971 as a security barrier, and has been rebuilt and upgraded since. It was constructed by Israel to control the movement of people as well as goods between the Gaza Strip and Israel, which it could not achieve by normal border crossings. There is also one crossing along the Egypt–Gaza border, the Rafah Crossing, though it is limited to the crossing of people; as per Israel's demand, any cargo or goods that are to enter Gaza must go through Israel, usually through the Kerem Shalom border.The Israelis are not in Gaza illegally, they aren't even in Gaza. They withdrew in 2005. This is not me making it up, it's a fact. Those Israelis who refused to move were forcibly evicted by the IDF. As for wanting to kill all Palestinians they could do that easily from the air, they have total air superiority. Also you are aware that Israel occupied Gaza after the 6 day war. Why would they give it back if their aim was to retake it at a later date? Mrs x Jewish Illegal settlements are in the west Bank. They're killing Gazans now and about to commit yet another huge war Crime in the near future. Because the UN have stated that ground taken cannot be kept. That applies to all countries in the world. Yet another UN law the Isrealis ignore with impunity. Jewish settlements are illegal in the West Bank, no denying that. Yet it's no justification what Hamas is doing in Gaza. That's terrorism. So using your argument, the IRA were justified in murdering innocents, blowing up people and communities due to the 'illegal' occupation of the British forces in Northern Ireland. And the English created an apartheid system in Ireland when the constructed the border between Northern Ireland and Eire? Sure you will ignore this one, Mrs x" I understand where the IRA were coming from, but the situation in NI wasn't the same as Gaza or the West Bank. Do you think the British should have bomb the whole of Ireland to kill all IRA members? | |||
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"When I said just now that...'it's not up to Israel to look after other people's civilians'. I should add that I'm not denying Israel has not killed innocent civilians but whilst a terrorist regime hides itself behind innocents then they are actively putting these innocents in harms way. If Israels aims was to wipe the Palestinians out of Gaza they could do this quite easily. After all Israel has total air supremacy. What they want is to rid Gaza of terrorists once and for all. Unfortunately Hamas are hiding behind woman and children. Whilst their leadership is 'holed" up in 5 star luxury in other Arab states, Mrs x What they want is to get rid of all Palestinians in Gaza, by any murderous, illegal but backed by the West, way. They want the land and don't care who they kill to get it. The water shortage and illegal Isreali settlers on hilltops dumping untreated sewage,manure and wastewater into the valleys thereby polluting Palestinian water is not caused by Hamas. If my community were walled in, violated, and lived in an apartheid state I'd fight my oppressors too. Walled in, how are they walled in? How is it an apartheid state? There are no Jews currently in Gaza, they were dragged out in 2005 by IDF soldiers, Mrs x Because they were there illegally. Palestinians can't freely leave without the ok from Isreal. A fence along the border was first constructed by Israel in 1971 as a security barrier, and has been rebuilt and upgraded since. It was constructed by Israel to control the movement of people as well as goods between the Gaza Strip and Israel, which it could not achieve by normal border crossings. There is also one crossing along the Egypt–Gaza border, the Rafah Crossing, though it is limited to the crossing of people; as per Israel's demand, any cargo or goods that are to enter Gaza must go through Israel, usually through the Kerem Shalom border.The Israelis are not in Gaza illegally, they aren't even in Gaza. They withdrew in 2005. This is not me making it up, it's a fact. Those Israelis who refused to move were forcibly evicted by the IDF. As for wanting to kill all Palestinians they could do that easily from the air, they have total air superiority. Also you are aware that Israel occupied Gaza after the 6 day war. Why would they give it back if their aim was to retake it at a later date? Mrs x Jewish Illegal settlements are in the west Bank. They're killing Gazans now and about to commit yet another huge war Crime in the near future. Because the UN have stated that ground taken cannot be kept. That applies to all countries in the world. Yet another UN law the Isrealis ignore with impunity. Jewish settlements are illegal in the West Bank, no denying that. Yet it's no justification what Hamas is doing in Gaza. That's terrorism. So using your argument, the IRA were justified in murdering innocents, blowing up people and communities due to the 'illegal' occupation of the British forces in Northern Ireland. And the English created an apartheid system in Ireland when the constructed the border between Northern Ireland and Eire? Sure you will ignore this one, Mrs x I understand where the IRA were coming from, but the situation in NI wasn't the same as Gaza or the West Bank. Do you think the British should have bomb the whole of Ireland to kill all IRA members?" I'm an Irish woman of a certain age, who was a refugee as a child to escape what was going on around my community, to my family and my friends. And you can understand the IRA? I am Catholic and heard all about why the struggles were necessary but it led me to becoming an atheist who absolutely abhors any terrorism. You are incredible. Words fail me. Well almost. No one has bombed the whole of Gaza. No one. You just repeat others rhetoric to inflame an already bad situation, Mrs x | |||
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"When I said just now that...'it's not up to Israel to look after other people's civilians'. I should add that I'm not denying Israel has not killed innocent civilians but whilst a terrorist regime hides itself behind innocents then they are actively putting these innocents in harms way. If Israels aims was to wipe the Palestinians out of Gaza they could do this quite easily. After all Israel has total air supremacy. What they want is to rid Gaza of terrorists once and for all. Unfortunately Hamas are hiding behind woman and children. Whilst their leadership is 'holed" up in 5 star luxury in other Arab states, Mrs x What they want is to get rid of all Palestinians in Gaza, by any murderous, illegal but backed by the West, way. They want the land and don't care who they kill to get it. The water shortage and illegal Isreali settlers on hilltops dumping untreated sewage,manure and wastewater into the valleys thereby polluting Palestinian water is not caused by Hamas. If my community were walled in, violated, and lived in an apartheid state I'd fight my oppressors too. Walled in, how are they walled in? How is it an apartheid state? There are no Jews currently in Gaza, they were dragged out in 2005 by IDF soldiers, Mrs x Because they were there illegally. Palestinians can't freely leave without the ok from Isreal. A fence along the border was first constructed by Israel in 1971 as a security barrier, and has been rebuilt and upgraded since. It was constructed by Israel to control the movement of people as well as goods between the Gaza Strip and Israel, which it could not achieve by normal border crossings. There is also one crossing along the Egypt–Gaza border, the Rafah Crossing, though it is limited to the crossing of people; as per Israel's demand, any cargo or goods that are to enter Gaza must go through Israel, usually through the Kerem Shalom border.The Israelis are not in Gaza illegally, they aren't even in Gaza. They withdrew in 2005. This is not me making it up, it's a fact. Those Israelis who refused to move were forcibly evicted by the IDF. As for wanting to kill all Palestinians they could do that easily from the air, they have total air superiority. Also you are aware that Israel occupied Gaza after the 6 day war. Why would they give it back if their aim was to retake it at a later date? Mrs x Jewish Illegal settlements are in the west Bank. They're killing Gazans now and about to commit yet another huge war Crime in the near future. Because the UN have stated that ground taken cannot be kept. That applies to all countries in the world. Yet another UN law the Isrealis ignore with impunity. Jewish settlements are illegal in the West Bank, no denying that. Yet it's no justification what Hamas is doing in Gaza. That's terrorism. So using your argument, the IRA were justified in murdering innocents, blowing up people and communities due to the 'illegal' occupation of the British forces in Northern Ireland. And the English created an apartheid system in Ireland when the constructed the border between Northern Ireland and Eire? Sure you will ignore this one, Mrs x I understand where the IRA were coming from, but the situation in NI wasn't the same as Gaza or the West Bank. Do you think the British should have bomb the whole of Ireland to kill all IRA members? I'm an Irish woman of a certain age, who was a refugee as a child to escape what was going on around my community, to my family and my friends. And you can understand the IRA? I am Catholic and heard all about why the struggles were necessary but it led me to becoming an atheist who absolutely abhors any terrorism. You are incredible. Words fail me. Well almost. No one has bombed the whole of Gaza. No one. You just repeat others rhetoric to inflame an already bad situation, Mrs x " OK, so not the whole of it, just between 50 and 61% of the buildings have been destroyed by Isreali bombs. Look at satellite imaging data for Gaza carried out by Corey Scher. | |||
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"When I said just now that...'it's not up to Israel to look after other people's civilians'. I should add that I'm not denying Israel has not killed innocent civilians but whilst a terrorist regime hides itself behind innocents then they are actively putting these innocents in harms way. If Israels aims was to wipe the Palestinians out of Gaza they could do this quite easily. After all Israel has total air supremacy. What they want is to rid Gaza of terrorists once and for all. Unfortunately Hamas are hiding behind woman and children. Whilst their leadership is 'holed" up in 5 star luxury in other Arab states, Mrs x What they want is to get rid of all Palestinians in Gaza, by any murderous, illegal but backed by the West, way. They want the land and don't care who they kill to get it. The water shortage and illegal Isreali settlers on hilltops dumping untreated sewage,manure and wastewater into the valleys thereby polluting Palestinian water is not caused by Hamas. If my community were walled in, violated, and lived in an apartheid state I'd fight my oppressors too. Walled in, how are they walled in? How is it an apartheid state? There are no Jews currently in Gaza, they were dragged out in 2005 by IDF soldiers, Mrs x Because they were there illegally. Palestinians can't freely leave without the ok from Isreal. A fence along the border was first constructed by Israel in 1971 as a security barrier, and has been rebuilt and upgraded since. It was constructed by Israel to control the movement of people as well as goods between the Gaza Strip and Israel, which it could not achieve by normal border crossings. There is also one crossing along the Egypt–Gaza border, the Rafah Crossing, though it is limited to the crossing of people; as per Israel's demand, any cargo or goods that are to enter Gaza must go through Israel, usually through the Kerem Shalom border.The Israelis are not in Gaza illegally, they aren't even in Gaza. They withdrew in 2005. This is not me making it up, it's a fact. Those Israelis who refused to move were forcibly evicted by the IDF. As for wanting to kill all Palestinians they could do that easily from the air, they have total air superiority. Also you are aware that Israel occupied Gaza after the 6 day war. Why would they give it back if their aim was to retake it at a later date? Mrs x Jewish Illegal settlements are in the west Bank. They're killing Gazans now and about to commit yet another huge war Crime in the near future. Because the UN have stated that ground taken cannot be kept. That applies to all countries in the world. Yet another UN law the Isrealis ignore with impunity. Jewish settlements are illegal in the West Bank, no denying that. Yet it's no justification what Hamas is doing in Gaza. That's terrorism. So using your argument, the IRA were justified in murdering innocents, blowing up people and communities due to the 'illegal' occupation of the British forces in Northern Ireland. And the English created an apartheid system in Ireland when the constructed the border between Northern Ireland and Eire? Sure you will ignore this one, Mrs x I understand where the IRA were coming from, but the situation in NI wasn't the same as Gaza or the West Bank. Do you think the British should have bomb the whole of Ireland to kill all IRA members?" I've just re read this. Can you explain why you can understand the position of the IRA and their subsequent actions. If it's terrorism as a whole, then maybe you could explain why you understand we're the UDA we're coming from, just to give some balance to your statement, Mrs x | |||
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"When I said just now that...'it's not up to Israel to look after other people's civilians'. I should add that I'm not denying Israel has not killed innocent civilians but whilst a terrorist regime hides itself behind innocents then they are actively putting these innocents in harms way. If Israels aims was to wipe the Palestinians out of Gaza they could do this quite easily. After all Israel has total air supremacy. What they want is to rid Gaza of terrorists once and for all. Unfortunately Hamas are hiding behind woman and children. Whilst their leadership is 'holed" up in 5 star luxury in other Arab states, Mrs x What they want is to get rid of all Palestinians in Gaza, by any murderous, illegal but backed by the West, way. They want the land and don't care who they kill to get it. The water shortage and illegal Isreali settlers on hilltops dumping untreated sewage,manure and wastewater into the valleys thereby polluting Palestinian water is not caused by Hamas. If my community were walled in, violated, and lived in an apartheid state I'd fight my oppressors too. Walled in, how are they walled in? How is it an apartheid state? There are no Jews currently in Gaza, they were dragged out in 2005 by IDF soldiers, Mrs x Because they were there illegally. Palestinians can't freely leave without the ok from Isreal. A fence along the border was first constructed by Israel in 1971 as a security barrier, and has been rebuilt and upgraded since. It was constructed by Israel to control the movement of people as well as goods between the Gaza Strip and Israel, which it could not achieve by normal border crossings. There is also one crossing along the Egypt–Gaza border, the Rafah Crossing, though it is limited to the crossing of people; as per Israel's demand, any cargo or goods that are to enter Gaza must go through Israel, usually through the Kerem Shalom border.The Israelis are not in Gaza illegally, they aren't even in Gaza. They withdrew in 2005. This is not me making it up, it's a fact. Those Israelis who refused to move were forcibly evicted by the IDF. As for wanting to kill all Palestinians they could do that easily from the air, they have total air superiority. Also you are aware that Israel occupied Gaza after the 6 day war. Why would they give it back if their aim was to retake it at a later date? Mrs x Jewish Illegal settlements are in the west Bank. They're killing Gazans now and about to commit yet another huge war Crime in the near future. Because the UN have stated that ground taken cannot be kept. That applies to all countries in the world. Yet another UN law the Isrealis ignore with impunity. Jewish settlements are illegal in the West Bank, no denying that. Yet it's no justification what Hamas is doing in Gaza. That's terrorism. So using your argument, the IRA were justified in murdering innocents, blowing up people and communities due to the 'illegal' occupation of the British forces in Northern Ireland. And the English created an apartheid system in Ireland when the constructed the border between Northern Ireland and Eire? Sure you will ignore this one, Mrs x I understand where the IRA were coming from, but the situation in NI wasn't the same as Gaza or the West Bank. Do you think the British should have bomb the whole of Ireland to kill all IRA members? I'm an Irish woman of a certain age, who was a refugee as a child to escape what was going on around my community, to my family and my friends. And you can understand the IRA? I am Catholic and heard all about why the struggles were necessary but it led me to becoming an atheist who absolutely abhors any terrorism. You are incredible. Words fail me. Well almost. No one has bombed the whole of Gaza. No one. You just repeat others rhetoric to inflame an already bad situation, Mrs x OK, so not the whole of it, just between 50 and 61% of the buildings have been destroyed by Isreali bombs. Look at satellite imaging data for Gaza carried out by Corey Scher. " If you attack someone first then don't complain when they hit back harder. Hamas have fired thousands of missiles into Israel, thousands. Not sure I should converse with someone who says the can understand why terrorism is carried out. Mrs x | |||
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"When I said just now that...'it's not up to Israel to look after other people's civilians'. I should add that I'm not denying Israel has not killed innocent civilians but whilst a terrorist regime hides itself behind innocents then they are actively putting these innocents in harms way. If Israels aims was to wipe the Palestinians out of Gaza they could do this quite easily. After all Israel has total air supremacy. What they want is to rid Gaza of terrorists once and for all. Unfortunately Hamas are hiding behind woman and children. Whilst their leadership is 'holed" up in 5 star luxury in other Arab states, Mrs x What they want is to get rid of all Palestinians in Gaza, by any murderous, illegal but backed by the West, way. They want the land and don't care who they kill to get it. The water shortage and illegal Isreali settlers on hilltops dumping untreated sewage,manure and wastewater into the valleys thereby polluting Palestinian water is not caused by Hamas. If my community were walled in, violated, and lived in an apartheid state I'd fight my oppressors too. Walled in, how are they walled in? How is it an apartheid state? There are no Jews currently in Gaza, they were dragged out in 2005 by IDF soldiers, Mrs x Because they were there illegally. Palestinians can't freely leave without the ok from Isreal. A fence along the border was first constructed by Israel in 1971 as a security barrier, and has been rebuilt and upgraded since. It was constructed by Israel to control the movement of people as well as goods between the Gaza Strip and Israel, which it could not achieve by normal border crossings. There is also one crossing along the Egypt–Gaza border, the Rafah Crossing, though it is limited to the crossing of people; as per Israel's demand, any cargo or goods that are to enter Gaza must go through Israel, usually through the Kerem Shalom border.The Israelis are not in Gaza illegally, they aren't even in Gaza. They withdrew in 2005. This is not me making it up, it's a fact. Those Israelis who refused to move were forcibly evicted by the IDF. As for wanting to kill all Palestinians they could do that easily from the air, they have total air superiority. Also you are aware that Israel occupied Gaza after the 6 day war. Why would they give it back if their aim was to retake it at a later date? Mrs x Jewish Illegal settlements are in the west Bank. They're killing Gazans now and about to commit yet another huge war Crime in the near future. Because the UN have stated that ground taken cannot be kept. That applies to all countries in the world. Yet another UN law the Isrealis ignore with impunity. Jewish settlements are illegal in the West Bank, no denying that. Yet it's no justification what Hamas is doing in Gaza. That's terrorism. So using your argument, the IRA were justified in murdering innocents, blowing up people and communities due to the 'illegal' occupation of the British forces in Northern Ireland. And the English created an apartheid system in Ireland when the constructed the border between Northern Ireland and Eire? Sure you will ignore this one, Mrs x I understand where the IRA were coming from, but the situation in NI wasn't the same as Gaza or the West Bank. Do you think the British should have bomb the whole of Ireland to kill all IRA members? I'm an Irish woman of a certain age, who was a refugee as a child to escape what was going on around my community, to my family and my friends. And you can understand the IRA? I am Catholic and heard all about why the struggles were necessary but it led me to becoming an atheist who absolutely abhors any terrorism. You are incredible. Words fail me. Well almost. No one has bombed the whole of Gaza. No one. You just repeat others rhetoric to inflame an already bad situation, Mrs x " I'm an atheist too, and I respect religion. Do you abhor what Isreal has done to the Palestinians, including taking land they weren't given by Britain and the UN-which shouldn't have happened in the first place,but Europe didn't want the Jewish problem on their doorstep, so they made them the Palestinians problem. They took advantage of being backed by the UK and US and have been terrorising the Palestinians since. The Palestinians welcomed the boats of Jewish refugees then lost their homes, lands and life to them. I'm ashamed of my country's history and hand in this. | |||
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"When I said just now that...'it's not up to Israel to look after other people's civilians'. I should add that I'm not denying Israel has not killed innocent civilians but whilst a terrorist regime hides itself behind innocents then they are actively putting these innocents in harms way. If Israels aims was to wipe the Palestinians out of Gaza they could do this quite easily. After all Israel has total air supremacy. What they want is to rid Gaza of terrorists once and for all. Unfortunately Hamas are hiding behind woman and children. Whilst their leadership is 'holed" up in 5 star luxury in other Arab states, Mrs x What they want is to get rid of all Palestinians in Gaza, by any murderous, illegal but backed by the West, way. They want the land and don't care who they kill to get it. The water shortage and illegal Isreali settlers on hilltops dumping untreated sewage,manure and wastewater into the valleys thereby polluting Palestinian water is not caused by Hamas. If my community were walled in, violated, and lived in an apartheid state I'd fight my oppressors too. Walled in, how are they walled in? How is it an apartheid state? There are no Jews currently in Gaza, they were dragged out in 2005 by IDF soldiers, Mrs x Because they were there illegally. Palestinians can't freely leave without the ok from Isreal. A fence along the border was first constructed by Israel in 1971 as a security barrier, and has been rebuilt and upgraded since. It was constructed by Israel to control the movement of people as well as goods between the Gaza Strip and Israel, which it could not achieve by normal border crossings. There is also one crossing along the Egypt–Gaza border, the Rafah Crossing, though it is limited to the crossing of people; as per Israel's demand, any cargo or goods that are to enter Gaza must go through Israel, usually through the Kerem Shalom border.The Israelis are not in Gaza illegally, they aren't even in Gaza. They withdrew in 2005. This is not me making it up, it's a fact. Those Israelis who refused to move were forcibly evicted by the IDF. As for wanting to kill all Palestinians they could do that easily from the air, they have total air superiority. Also you are aware that Israel occupied Gaza after the 6 day war. Why would they give it back if their aim was to retake it at a later date? Mrs x Jewish Illegal settlements are in the west Bank. They're killing Gazans now and about to commit yet another huge war Crime in the near future. Because the UN have stated that ground taken cannot be kept. That applies to all countries in the world. Yet another UN law the Isrealis ignore with impunity. Jewish settlements are illegal in the West Bank, no denying that. Yet it's no justification what Hamas is doing in Gaza. That's terrorism. So using your argument, the IRA were justified in murdering innocents, blowing up people and communities due to the 'illegal' occupation of the British forces in Northern Ireland. And the English created an apartheid system in Ireland when the constructed the border between Northern Ireland and Eire? Sure you will ignore this one, Mrs x I understand where the IRA were coming from, but the situation in NI wasn't the same as Gaza or the West Bank. Do you think the British should have bomb the whole of Ireland to kill all IRA members? I'm an Irish woman of a certain age, who was a refugee as a child to escape what was going on around my community, to my family and my friends. And you can understand the IRA? I am Catholic and heard all about why the struggles were necessary but it led me to becoming an atheist who absolutely abhors any terrorism. You are incredible. Words fail me. Well almost. No one has bombed the whole of Gaza. No one. You just repeat others rhetoric to inflame an already bad situation, Mrs x I'm an atheist too, and I respect religion. Do you abhor what Isreal has done to the Palestinians, including taking land they weren't given by Britain and the UN-which shouldn't have happened in the first place,but Europe didn't want the Jewish problem on their doorstep, so they made them the Palestinians problem. They took advantage of being backed by the UK and US and have been terrorising the Palestinians since. The Palestinians welcomed the boats of Jewish refugees then lost their homes, lands and life to them. I'm ashamed of my country's history and hand in this. " Given tother by the UK? Can you explain this please? Mrs x | |||
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"When I said just now that...'it's not up to Israel to look after other people's civilians'. I should add that I'm not denying Israel has not killed innocent civilians but whilst a terrorist regime hides itself behind innocents then they are actively putting these innocents in harms way. If Israels aims was to wipe the Palestinians out of Gaza they could do this quite easily. After all Israel has total air supremacy. What they want is to rid Gaza of terrorists once and for all. Unfortunately Hamas are hiding behind woman and children. Whilst their leadership is 'holed" up in 5 star luxury in other Arab states, Mrs x What they want is to get rid of all Palestinians in Gaza, by any murderous, illegal but backed by the West, way. They want the land and don't care who they kill to get it. The water shortage and illegal Isreali settlers on hilltops dumping untreated sewage,manure and wastewater into the valleys thereby polluting Palestinian water is not caused by Hamas. If my community were walled in, violated, and lived in an apartheid state I'd fight my oppressors too. Walled in, how are they walled in? How is it an apartheid state? There are no Jews currently in Gaza, they were dragged out in 2005 by IDF soldiers, Mrs x Because they were there illegally. Palestinians can't freely leave without the ok from Isreal. A fence along the border was first constructed by Israel in 1971 as a security barrier, and has been rebuilt and upgraded since. It was constructed by Israel to control the movement of people as well as goods between the Gaza Strip and Israel, which it could not achieve by normal border crossings. There is also one crossing along the Egypt–Gaza border, the Rafah Crossing, though it is limited to the crossing of people; as per Israel's demand, any cargo or goods that are to enter Gaza must go through Israel, usually through the Kerem Shalom border.The Israelis are not in Gaza illegally, they aren't even in Gaza. They withdrew in 2005. This is not me making it up, it's a fact. Those Israelis who refused to move were forcibly evicted by the IDF. As for wanting to kill all Palestinians they could do that easily from the air, they have total air superiority. Also you are aware that Israel occupied Gaza after the 6 day war. Why would they give it back if their aim was to retake it at a later date? Mrs x Jewish Illegal settlements are in the west Bank. They're killing Gazans now and about to commit yet another huge war Crime in the near future. Because the UN have stated that ground taken cannot be kept. That applies to all countries in the world. Yet another UN law the Isrealis ignore with impunity. Jewish settlements are illegal in the West Bank, no denying that. Yet it's no justification what Hamas is doing in Gaza. That's terrorism. So using your argument, the IRA were justified in murdering innocents, blowing up people and communities due to the 'illegal' occupation of the British forces in Northern Ireland. And the English created an apartheid system in Ireland when the constructed the border between Northern Ireland and Eire? Sure you will ignore this one, Mrs x I understand where the IRA were coming from, but the situation in NI wasn't the same as Gaza or the West Bank. Do you think the British should have bomb the whole of Ireland to kill all IRA members? I'm an Irish woman of a certain age, who was a refugee as a child to escape what was going on around my community, to my family and my friends. And you can understand the IRA? I am Catholic and heard all about why the struggles were necessary but it led me to becoming an atheist who absolutely abhors any terrorism. You are incredible. Words fail me. Well almost. No one has bombed the whole of Gaza. No one. You just repeat others rhetoric to inflame an already bad situation, Mrs x OK, so not the whole of it, just between 50 and 61% of the buildings have been destroyed by Isreali bombs. Look at satellite imaging data for Gaza carried out by Corey Scher. If you attack someone first then don't complain when they hit back harder. Hamas have fired thousands of missiles into Israel, thousands. Not sure I should converse with someone who says the can understand why terrorism is carried out. Mrs x " Then don't. Terrorism isn't borne from nothing. Britain and the Western world are some of the worst terrorists, but we make the rules and laws and go unpunished. The US and UK are only backing Isreal because we want an ally in the Middle East and even our politicians are saying enough is enough. | |||
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"When I said just now that...'it's not up to Israel to look after other people's civilians'. I should add that I'm not denying Israel has not killed innocent civilians but whilst a terrorist regime hides itself behind innocents then they are actively putting these innocents in harms way. If Israels aims was to wipe the Palestinians out of Gaza they could do this quite easily. After all Israel has total air supremacy. What they want is to rid Gaza of terrorists once and for all. Unfortunately Hamas are hiding behind woman and children. Whilst their leadership is 'holed" up in 5 star luxury in other Arab states, Mrs x What they want is to get rid of all Palestinians in Gaza, by any murderous, illegal but backed by the West, way. They want the land and don't care who they kill to get it. The water shortage and illegal Isreali settlers on hilltops dumping untreated sewage,manure and wastewater into the valleys thereby polluting Palestinian water is not caused by Hamas. If my community were walled in, violated, and lived in an apartheid state I'd fight my oppressors too. Walled in, how are they walled in? How is it an apartheid state? There are no Jews currently in Gaza, they were dragged out in 2005 by IDF soldiers, Mrs x Because they were there illegally. Palestinians can't freely leave without the ok from Isreal. A fence along the border was first constructed by Israel in 1971 as a security barrier, and has been rebuilt and upgraded since. It was constructed by Israel to control the movement of people as well as goods between the Gaza Strip and Israel, which it could not achieve by normal border crossings. There is also one crossing along the Egypt–Gaza border, the Rafah Crossing, though it is limited to the crossing of people; as per Israel's demand, any cargo or goods that are to enter Gaza must go through Israel, usually through the Kerem Shalom border.The Israelis are not in Gaza illegally, they aren't even in Gaza. They withdrew in 2005. This is not me making it up, it's a fact. Those Israelis who refused to move were forcibly evicted by the IDF. As for wanting to kill all Palestinians they could do that easily from the air, they have total air superiority. Also you are aware that Israel occupied Gaza after the 6 day war. Why would they give it back if their aim was to retake it at a later date? Mrs x Jewish Illegal settlements are in the west Bank. They're killing Gazans now and about to commit yet another huge war Crime in the near future. Because the UN have stated that ground taken cannot be kept. That applies to all countries in the world. Yet another UN law the Isrealis ignore with impunity. Jewish settlements are illegal in the West Bank, no denying that. Yet it's no justification what Hamas is doing in Gaza. That's terrorism. So using your argument, the IRA were justified in murdering innocents, blowing up people and communities due to the 'illegal' occupation of the British forces in Northern Ireland. And the English created an apartheid system in Ireland when the constructed the border between Northern Ireland and Eire? Sure you will ignore this one, Mrs x I understand where the IRA were coming from, but the situation in NI wasn't the same as Gaza or the West Bank. Do you think the British should have bomb the whole of Ireland to kill all IRA members? I'm an Irish woman of a certain age, who was a refugee as a child to escape what was going on around my community, to my family and my friends. And you can understand the IRA? I am Catholic and heard all about why the struggles were necessary but it led me to becoming an atheist who absolutely abhors any terrorism. You are incredible. Words fail me. Well almost. No one has bombed the whole of Gaza. No one. You just repeat others rhetoric to inflame an already bad situation, Mrs x OK, so not the whole of it, just between 50 and 61% of the buildings have been destroyed by Isreali bombs. Look at satellite imaging data for Gaza carried out by Corey Scher. If you attack someone first then don't complain when they hit back harder. Hamas have fired thousands of missiles into Israel, thousands. Not sure I should converse with someone who says the can understand why terrorism is carried out. Mrs x Then don't. Terrorism isn't borne from nothing. Britain and the Western world are some of the worst terrorists, but we make the rules and laws and go unpunished. The US and UK are only backing Isreal because we want an ally in the Middle East and even our politicians are saying enough is enough. " But the UK didn't give the Jews Israel Mrs x | |||
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"When I said just now that...'it's not up to Israel to look after other people's civilians'. I should add that I'm not denying Israel has not killed innocent civilians but whilst a terrorist regime hides itself behind innocents then they are actively putting these innocents in harms way. If Israels aims was to wipe the Palestinians out of Gaza they could do this quite easily. After all Israel has total air supremacy. What they want is to rid Gaza of terrorists once and for all. Unfortunately Hamas are hiding behind woman and children. Whilst their leadership is 'holed" up in 5 star luxury in other Arab states, Mrs x What they want is to get rid of all Palestinians in Gaza, by any murderous, illegal but backed by the West, way. They want the land and don't care who they kill to get it. The water shortage and illegal Isreali settlers on hilltops dumping untreated sewage,manure and wastewater into the valleys thereby polluting Palestinian water is not caused by Hamas. If my community were walled in, violated, and lived in an apartheid state I'd fight my oppressors too. Walled in, how are they walled in? How is it an apartheid state? There are no Jews currently in Gaza, they were dragged out in 2005 by IDF soldiers, Mrs x Because they were there illegally. Palestinians can't freely leave without the ok from Isreal. A fence along the border was first constructed by Israel in 1971 as a security barrier, and has been rebuilt and upgraded since. It was constructed by Israel to control the movement of people as well as goods between the Gaza Strip and Israel, which it could not achieve by normal border crossings. There is also one crossing along the Egypt–Gaza border, the Rafah Crossing, though it is limited to the crossing of people; as per Israel's demand, any cargo or goods that are to enter Gaza must go through Israel, usually through the Kerem Shalom border.The Israelis are not in Gaza illegally, they aren't even in Gaza. They withdrew in 2005. This is not me making it up, it's a fact. Those Israelis who refused to move were forcibly evicted by the IDF. As for wanting to kill all Palestinians they could do that easily from the air, they have total air superiority. Also you are aware that Israel occupied Gaza after the 6 day war. Why would they give it back if their aim was to retake it at a later date? Mrs x Jewish Illegal settlements are in the west Bank. They're killing Gazans now and about to commit yet another huge war Crime in the near future. Because the UN have stated that ground taken cannot be kept. That applies to all countries in the world. Yet another UN law the Isrealis ignore with impunity. Jewish settlements are illegal in the West Bank, no denying that. Yet it's no justification what Hamas is doing in Gaza. That's terrorism. So using your argument, the IRA were justified in murdering innocents, blowing up people and communities due to the 'illegal' occupation of the British forces in Northern Ireland. And the English created an apartheid system in Ireland when the constructed the border between Northern Ireland and Eire? Sure you will ignore this one, Mrs x I understand where the IRA were coming from, but the situation in NI wasn't the same as Gaza or the West Bank. Do you think the British should have bomb the whole of Ireland to kill all IRA members? I'm an Irish woman of a certain age, who was a refugee as a child to escape what was going on around my community, to my family and my friends. And you can understand the IRA? I am Catholic and heard all about why the struggles were necessary but it led me to becoming an atheist who absolutely abhors any terrorism. You are incredible. Words fail me. Well almost. No one has bombed the whole of Gaza. No one. You just repeat others rhetoric to inflame an already bad situation, Mrs x I'm an atheist too, and I respect religion. Do you abhor what Isreal has done to the Palestinians, including taking land they weren't given by Britain and the UN-which shouldn't have happened in the first place,but Europe didn't want the Jewish problem on their doorstep, so they made them the Palestinians problem. They took advantage of being backed by the UK and US and have been terrorising the Palestinians since. The Palestinians welcomed the boats of Jewish refugees then lost their homes, lands and life to them. I'm ashamed of my country's history and hand in this. Given tother by the UK? Can you explain this please? Mrs x" You want me to explain how Britain didn't stop the EuropeanJewish people being given land in the Middle East after the war? Land that Britain had colonised in Egypt and declared ourselves the owners of? Without trying to sound sarcastic, do some research, there's lots of it from many different sources to read and watch. It's quite sad reading really. How the Jewish people suffered at the hands of the Nazi party, but still weren't wanted in Europe after the war ended, so were given land on a continent they and their ancestors hadn't stepped foot in, by the UN (Britain didn't stop it from happening when they could have). That land and properties belonged to people who had lived there for hundreds/thousands of years, and they were forced to leave. They call it the Nakba. Read "THE QUESTION OF PALESTINE" by The United Nations. Also research what Isrealis say and think about Palestinians. | |||
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