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He's apparently had trouble finding lenders who'll give him the money 
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"Trump's legal team have stated that he can't post his $454m bond, for his New York civil judgement. I thought he'd been such a successful business man, that he was incredibly wealthy, by his own proclamations. He couldn't have been distorting the truth somewhat, surely!
He's apparently had trouble finding lenders who'll give him the money
Think he'll be crying out to his MAGA fans, for more dish?"Even the richest bloke in the world Mr musk does not have half a billion laying around to pay a once in a lifetime fine for normal loan agreements, that every entrepreneur use in new York, entrepreneurs are leaving new York because of this ruling, it will not happen to anyone else they say they are not taking the risk. this will not stop him becoming potus. | |||
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"Trump's legal team have stated that he can't post his $454m bond, for his New York civil judgement. I thought he'd been such a successful business man, that he was incredibly wealthy, by his own proclamations. He couldn't have been distorting the truth somewhat, surely!
He's apparently had trouble finding lenders who'll give him the money
Think he'll be crying out to his MAGA fans, for more dish?
Even the richest bloke in the world Mr musk does not have half a billion laying around to pay a once in a lifetime fine for normal loan agreements, that every entrepreneur use in new York, entrepreneurs are leaving new York because of this ruling, it will not happen to anyone else they say they are not taking the risk. this will not stop him becoming potus. "I agree. Americans don't seem to care how many laws he breaks, how corrupt he is, how many security risks he creates, how much he shits on ordinary Americans. They will vote for him anyway. | |||
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"Trump's legal team have stated that he can't post his $454m bond, for his New York civil judgement. I thought he'd been such a successful business man, that he was incredibly wealthy, by his own proclamations. He couldn't have been distorting the truth somewhat, surely!
He's apparently had trouble finding lenders who'll give him the money
Think he'll be crying out to his MAGA fans, for more dish?
Even the richest bloke in the world Mr musk does not have half a billion laying around to pay a once in a lifetime fine for normal loan agreements, that every entrepreneur use in new York, entrepreneurs are leaving new York because of this ruling, it will not happen to anyone else they say they are not taking the risk. this will not stop him becoming potus.
I agree. Americans don't seem to care how many laws he breaks, how corrupt he is, how many security risks he creates, how much he shits on ordinary Americans. They will vote for him anyway. "The second coming of Mr trump will be glorious, with a laptop in his hand the evil of the democrats will be shown.  | |||
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"Trump's legal team have stated that he can't post his $454m bond, for his New York civil judgement. I thought he'd been such a successful business man, that he was incredibly wealthy, by his own proclamations. He couldn't have been distorting the truth somewhat, surely!
He's apparently had trouble finding lenders who'll give him the money
Think he'll be crying out to his MAGA fans, for more dish?
Even the richest bloke in the world Mr musk does not have half a billion laying around to pay a once in a lifetime fine for normal loan agreements, that every entrepreneur use in new York, entrepreneurs are leaving new York because of this ruling, it will not happen to anyone else they say they are not taking the risk. this will not stop him becoming potus.
I agree. Americans don't seem to care how many laws he breaks, how corrupt he is, how many security risks he creates, how much he shits on ordinary Americans. They will vote for him anyway.
The second coming of Mr trump will be glorious, with a laptop in his hand the evil of the democrats will be shown. "What about it will be "glorious"? | |||
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"Trump's legal team have stated that he can't post his $454m bond, for his New York civil judgement. I thought he'd been such a successful business man, that he was incredibly wealthy, by his own proclamations. He couldn't have been distorting the truth somewhat, surely!
He's apparently had trouble finding lenders who'll give him the money
Think he'll be crying out to his MAGA fans, for more dish?
Even the richest bloke in the world Mr musk does not have half a billion laying around to pay a once in a lifetime fine for normal loan agreements, that every entrepreneur use in new York, entrepreneurs are leaving new York because of this ruling, it will not happen to anyone else they say they are not taking the risk. this will not stop him becoming potus.
I agree. Americans don't seem to care how many laws he breaks, how corrupt he is, how many security risks he creates, how much he shits on ordinary Americans. They will vote for him anyway. "He's kinda like Boris then and he got elected | |||
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"(Mr) Trump is a cunt! That’s it. That’s all there is. Thank you for coming to my TED Talk "Cant disagree with that | |||
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"Trump's legal team have stated that he can't post his $454m bond, for his New York civil judgement. I thought he'd been such a successful business man, that he was incredibly wealthy, by his own proclamations. He couldn't have been distorting the truth somewhat, surely!
He's apparently had trouble finding lenders who'll give him the money
Think he'll be crying out to his MAGA fans, for more dish?
Even the richest bloke in the world Mr musk does not have half a billion laying around to pay a once in a lifetime fine for normal loan agreements, that every entrepreneur use in new York, entrepreneurs are leaving new York because of this ruling, it will not happen to anyone else they say they are not taking the risk. this will not stop him becoming potus. "I am not surprised that he doesn’t have the money as a liquidity issue… I am surprised no institution would take his buildings for example as assets … In theory because it’s on the company .. I am surprised he has not refinanced to at least sure that at least some of it could be covered by loans… But because last week he finally found the 100 million he needed for the E Jean Carroll appeal, finding another 500 million would be stretching it Saying that… no where near as rich as he claims he is! | |||
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"Trump's legal team have stated that he can't post his $454m bond, for his New York civil judgement. I thought he'd been such a successful business man, that he was incredibly wealthy, by his own proclamations. He couldn't have been distorting the truth somewhat, surely!
He's apparently had trouble finding lenders who'll give him the money
Think he'll be crying out to his MAGA fans, for more dish?
Even the richest bloke in the world Mr musk does not have half a billion laying around to pay a once in a lifetime fine for normal loan agreements, that every entrepreneur use in new York, entrepreneurs are leaving new York because of this ruling, it will not happen to anyone else they say they are not taking the risk. this will not stop him becoming potus. "No… he is not denying its wasn’t unethical.. he was saying it was a victimless crime as everyone got their money back! Which isn’t quite the point…. He cooked the books to get preferential rates on loans …. If you basically did that on your mortgage application, that’s fraud! … and the fine is basically the amount that the state has lost out on in local back taxes | |||
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"I'll leave it there for the circle jerks to play. "It's okay if you don't know what will be "glorious" about his "second coming". | |||
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" am not surprised that he doesn’t have the money as a liquidity issue… I am surprised no institution would take his buildings for example as assets … In theory because it’s on the company .. I am surprised he has not refinanced to at least sure that at least some of it could be covered by loans…" I think a lot of the assets are already mortgaged to the hilt already aren't they, then there's all the licensing of his name without any equity in ventures. The tides gone out and shown him for the 'successful' businessman he really isn't | |||
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" am not surprised that he doesn’t have the money as a liquidity issue… I am surprised no institution would take his buildings for example as assets … In theory because it’s on the company .. I am surprised he has not refinanced to at least sure that at least some of it could be covered by loans… I think a lot of the assets are already mortgaged to the hilt already aren't they, then there's all the licensing of his name without any equity in ventures. The tides gone out and shown him for the 'successful' businessman he really isn't " The irony is that to in effect he could get a 2nd mortgage on the properties, but would need to get the permission of the 1st mortgage owners to do so, and they probably aren’t giving the go ahead to do so before the fear of him overvaluing overinflating the value of the properties, which is exactly what he has just been found guilty of doing….. Anyway.. trump went from complaining about this yet again last night back to an old staple of dog whistling… This time saying that any Jewish person thinking of voting democrat “hates Israel” and “hates their religion “…. Nothing like a good old trope!!! But I am sure the defenders of trump will the thru once they see this post | |||
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"You'd have thought his No1 supporter Elon Musk would lend it to him .." Even more surprising is that his direct family aren’t chipping in. What do they know lol. | |||
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"Remember Alan Sugar interviewed he said he could write a cheque for £100million and it would clear, trump is not in that league. " Trump is in exactly that league. Both of them are blatant liars. | |||
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" The second coming of Mr trump will be glorious, with a laptop in his hand the evil of the democrats will be shown. "It's so weird when random British people start saying this kind of stuff. Like, it's so broad and laughable it's hard to believe they're not joking. It's just so difficult to fathom the level of a mind that finds anything remotely impressive about Trump. | |||
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"A good story about Trump's money is from when he did his Celebrity Roast. Every roastee gets one "out", a subject that is off-limits for the comedians to poke fun at. Most guests pick their kids, for obvious reasons. Trump asked to take off the table any jokes implying he was lying about the size of his wealth." Trump has a clear “tell” when he is lying if you watch any TV footage. His mouth moves. | |||
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"Remember Alan Sugar interviewed he said he could write a cheque for £100million and it would clear, trump is not in that league. Trump is in exactly that league. Both of them are blatant liars." Last time I looked Amsprop had no debt and balance sheet property value at £860million. Trump can’t raise $450m off his stated $6bn empire, likley worth a third of that, less all the debt. He’s a five pound millionaire. | |||
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"Just because someone is rich doesn't mean they have access to money straightaway, that's why their rich. Why would they keep money in the bank when interest rate is below inflation, it would be like throwing money away. Money would be tied up in stockmarket, bonds, gold n other long term investment. That's how people make money, not keeping it in the bank making the bankers rich." Stock and gold can be immediately liquidated | |||
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"Just because someone is rich doesn't mean they have access to money straightaway, that's why their rich. Why would they keep money in the bank when interest rate is below inflation, it would be like throwing money away. Money would be tied up in stockmarket, bonds, gold n other long term investment. That's how people make money, not keeping it in the bank making the bankers rich." That's true, but also not the point. It's basically a matter of legal findings now that Trump is in the habit of claiming to have far more wealth than he actually has. His inability to put together an amount of cash equalling somewhere between 4 and 10% of his self-proclaimed fortune (depending on which of his claims you look at) is glaring evidence that his asset pool is significantly shallower than he would like us to believe. | |||
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"Just because someone is rich doesn't mean they have access to money straightaway, that's why their rich. Why would they keep money in the bank when interest rate is below inflation, it would be like throwing money away. Money would be tied up in stockmarket, bonds, gold n other long term investment. That's how people make money, not keeping it in the bank making the bankers rich." many would be able to take loans against it, allowing them to liquidate over time or repay. I don't think anyone believes he has the cash sloshing around. But the ultra rich have access to things we don't (It's one way of avoiding CGT. Don't sell your shares at a gain. Get a loan against them. ) From what I've read noone will touch him. Which is no suprise as valuing his assets is somewhat challenging given everything ! | |||
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"Trump's legal team have stated that he can't post his $454m bond, for his New York civil judgement. I thought he'd been such a successful business man, that he was incredibly wealthy, by his own proclamations. He couldn't have been distorting the truth somewhat, surely!
He's apparently had trouble finding lenders who'll give him the money
Think he'll be crying out to his MAGA fans, for more dish?
Even the richest bloke in the world Mr musk does not have half a billion laying around to pay a once in a lifetime fine for normal loan agreements, that every entrepreneur use in new York, entrepreneurs are leaving new York because of this ruling, it will not happen to anyone else they say they are not taking the risk. this will not stop him becoming potus. "No, but he may struggle to get security clearance because he is a high risk due to his levels of debt, and who it is owed to. | |||
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"Trump's legal team have stated that he can't post his $454m bond, for his New York civil judgement. I thought he'd been such a successful business man, that he was incredibly wealthy, by his own proclamations. He couldn't have been distorting the truth somewhat, surely!
He's apparently had trouble finding lenders who'll give him the money
Think he'll be crying out to his MAGA fans, for more dish?
Even the richest bloke in the world Mr musk does not have half a billion laying around to pay a once in a lifetime fine for normal loan agreements, that every entrepreneur use in new York, entrepreneurs are leaving new York because of this ruling, it will not happen to anyone else they say they are not taking the risk. this will not stop him becoming potus.
No, but he may struggle to get security clearance because he is a high risk due to his levels of debt, and who it is owed to."Mr trump will not take a pay check for potus this time like he did not take a pay xheck last time he was potus, Mr Biden's wealth has increased 10 fold since the for years he has been potus, the guy can't even wipe his own arse hole without getting in a mess. | |||
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"Trump's legal team have stated that he can't post his $454m bond, for his New York civil judgement. I thought he'd been such a successful business man, that he was incredibly wealthy, by his own proclamations. He couldn't have been distorting the truth somewhat, surely!
He's apparently had trouble finding lenders who'll give him the money
Think he'll be crying out to his MAGA fans, for more dish?
Even the richest bloke in the world Mr musk does not have half a billion laying around to pay a once in a lifetime fine for normal loan agreements, that every entrepreneur use in new York, entrepreneurs are leaving new York because of this ruling, it will not happen to anyone else they say they are not taking the risk. this will not stop him becoming potus.
No, but he may struggle to get security clearance because he is a high risk due to his levels of debt, and who it is owed to.
Mr trump will not take a pay check for potus this time like he did not take a pay xheck last time he was potus, Mr Biden's wealth has increased 10 fold since the for years he has been potus, the guy can't even wipe his own arse hole without getting in a mess. "Nothing to do with whether he is paid for the job, he is a security risk due to his levels of debt and potentially who it is owed to. | |||
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"Trump's legal team have stated that he can't post his $454m bond, for his New York civil judgement. I thought he'd been such a successful business man, that he was incredibly wealthy, by his own proclamations. He couldn't have been distorting the truth somewhat, surely!
He's apparently had trouble finding lenders who'll give him the money
Think he'll be crying out to his MAGA fans, for more dish?
Even the richest bloke in the world Mr musk does not have half a billion laying around to pay a once in a lifetime fine for normal loan agreements, that every entrepreneur use in new York, entrepreneurs are leaving new York because of this ruling, it will not happen to anyone else they say they are not taking the risk. this will not stop him becoming potus.
No, but he may struggle to get security clearance because he is a high risk due to his levels of debt, and who it is owed to.
Mr trump will not take a pay check for potus this time like he did not take a pay xheck last time he was potus, Mr Biden's wealth has increased 10 fold since the for years he has been potus, the guy can't even wipe his own arse hole without getting in a mess.
Nothing to do with whether he is paid for the job, he is a security risk due to his levels of debt and potentially who it is owed to."Circle jerk posts do amuse, please carry on. | |||
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"Buddy lane you seem to really love Trump. Why? What are the qualities he has that you admire? What things, in your opinion, make him a good candidate for POTUS?" Straight talker unlike Mr Biden who can't string two words together, what else do you need. | |||
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"Buddy lane you seem to really love Trump. Why? What are the qualities he has that you admire? What things, in your opinion, make him a good candidate for POTUS? Straight talker unlike Mr Biden who can't string two words together, what else do you need." Have you seen Trump speaking recently? He forgets what he’s saying from one word tk the next. | |||
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"Buddy lane you seem to really love Trump. Why? What are the qualities he has that you admire? What things, in your opinion, make him a good candidate for POTUS? Straight talker unlike Mr Biden who can't string two words together, what else do you need." That’s your only requirement? Straight talking? And is he really straight talking? Evidence would suggest otherwise. His sentences are worse than an illiterate 5 year old. Why the need to compare to Biden? I didn’t ask how he compared. Just what you liked about trump. I guess me calling Trump a cunt is pretty straight talking too. Can I be POTUS? | |||
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"Buddy lane you seem to really love Trump. Why? What are the qualities he has that you admire? What things, in your opinion, make him a good candidate for POTUS? Straight talker unlike Mr Biden who can't string two words together, what else do you need."
"Look, having nuclear — my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart — you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I'm one of the smartest people anywhere in the world — it’s true! — but when you're a conservative Republican they try — oh, do they do a number — that’s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune — you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged — but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me — it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are — nuclear is so powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what's going to happen and he was right, who would have thought? — but when you look at what's going on with the four prisoners — now it used to be three, now it’s four — but when it was three and even now, I would have said it's all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don't, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 years — but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us, this is horrible." | |||
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"What do the Mr Biden supporters like about Mr Biden and why should he be potus.?" I’d like to know that too? I think he should be sitting by the sunny window playing chequers with his old mate Trump, let the young people have a go. | |||
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"What do the Mr Biden supporters like about Mr Biden and why should he be potus.? I’d like to know that too? I think he should be sitting by the sunny window playing chequers with his old mate Trump, let the young people have a go." I have asked this question numerous times of Mr Biden supporters and I get a gibberish response and no real answer. | |||
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"What do the Mr Biden supporters like about Mr Biden and why should he be potus.? I’d like to know that too? I think he should be sitting by the sunny window playing chequers with his old mate Trump, let the young people have a go. I have asked this question numerous times of Mr Biden supporters and I get a gibberish response and no real answer." Was it Trump answering? | |||
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"What do the Mr Biden supporters like about Mr Biden and why should he be potus.? I’d like to know that too? I think he should be sitting by the sunny window playing chequers with his old mate Trump, let the young people have a go. I have asked this question numerous times of Mr Biden supporters and I get a gibberish response and no real answer. Was it Trump answering?" A lot of arse scratching just like Mr Biden. | |||
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"What do the Mr Biden supporters like about Mr Biden and why should he be potus.? I’d like to know that too? I think he should be sitting by the sunny window playing chequers with his old mate Trump, let the young people have a go. I have asked this question numerous times of Mr Biden supporters and I get a gibberish response and no real answer." I haven't seen any Biden supporters on here. Mostly just people disappointed that the two options are so poor. Biden is terrible, he only looks vaguely good because of who proceeded him. | |||
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"Buddy lane you seem to really love Trump. Why? What are the qualities he has that you admire? What things, in your opinion, make him a good candidate for POTUS? Straight talker unlike Mr Biden who can't string two words together, what else do you need." High levels of moral decency? Honesty? Broad, general intelligence? And this 'straight talking', when he tells people what they want to hear | |||
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"Buddy lane you seem to really love Trump. Why? What are the qualities he has that you admire? What things, in your opinion, make him a good candidate for POTUS? Straight talker unlike Mr Biden who can't string two words together, what else do you need." Someone who backs up words with actions ? Did he build "the wall" Weren't most of his "executive orders" cancelled as soon as he very publicly signed them ? | |||
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"Remember Alan Sugar interviewed he said he could write a cheque for £100million and it would clear, trump is not in that league." "Trump is in exactly that league. Both of them are blatant liars." "Last time I looked Amsprop had no debt and balance sheet property value at £860million." Yes, £860m - all wrapped up in property. He could sell some of those properties and scrape together £100m in a few months, but the idea that he has £100m in cash sitting in the bank just waiting for him to write a big cheque, is ridiculous. His claim was that he could write a cheque for £100m, and it would clear. He was lying. | |||
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"Buddy lane you seem to really love Trump. Why? What are the qualities he has that you admire? What things, in your opinion, make him a good candidate for POTUS? Straight talker unlike Mr Biden who can't string two words together, what else do you need." Straight talking is one of his attributes, it has landed him in trouble but also gained him a lot of support. What really annoys the progressive left is how he doesn't play by their rules and no amount of pressure changes that course. That plays right into his right wing supporters hands, someone who has the balls to stand up to the people they oppose. I've said this before, his greatest asset is the people who try and put him down at every turn, they promote him every time they do this and they never learn. | |||
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"Buddy lane you seem to really love Trump. Why? What are the qualities he has that you admire? What things, in your opinion, make him a good candidate for POTUS? Straight talker unlike Mr Biden who can't string two words together, what else do you need. Straight talking is one of his attributes, it has landed him in trouble but also gained him a lot of support. What really annoys the progressive left is how he doesn't play by their rules and no amount of pressure changes that course. That plays right into his right wing supporters hands, someone who has the balls to stand up to the people they oppose. I've said this before, his greatest asset is the people who try and put him down at every turn, they promote him every time they do this and they never learn. " This.. The rant video of a dem supporter going around is being used by the trump camp has a promotional video, they are helping Mr trump with their unhinged foolish behaviour. | |||
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"Yeah… not sure buddy understands He doesn’t have to push up the entire 454 million in cash… He could for example get an independent appraisal of any one of his properties, and put that up as a bond if he doesn’t have it all covered by other mortgages… For example…. Trump keeps trying to tell the world that Mar-a-Lago is worth 1.5 billion dollars……the local authority for that area , key west, say the property is only worth 150 million tops…. If he can get an independent valuation that is worth that after whatever mortgages are outstanding Then the court is would take that… Same for trump tower Same for 40 Wall Street Same for 120 avenues of the Americas Same for each of the golf clubs he owns.. for example bedminster, dorral, heck… how about turnberry in Scotland!!!! It’s not having to find 464 million from one bond holder… as the New York ag and others have pointed out the amount can be spread out over as many bond holders as would be required.. be that 2…. Or 4…. Or8… ect ect The fact that they are claiming they have been to 30 different establishments and he can’t raise the funds minus mortgages raises so many red flags! Also… don’t fall for the claims that this has been sprung on them, they have known how much the New York AG has been wanting in court for 18 months! They know the basic “fraud” element has been decided 5-6 months ago… don’t you think they should like any good business have been preparing for the worst just in case! They didn’t have to do anything there and then but don’t you think they would have deals lined up if they had to find the total amount! " What happens to this debt / fine if he becomes POTUS? | |||
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"Yeah… not sure buddy understands He doesn’t have to push up the entire 454 million in cash… He could for example get an independent appraisal of any one of his properties, and put that up as a bond if he doesn’t have it all covered by other mortgages… For example…. Trump keeps trying to tell the world that Mar-a-Lago is worth 1.5 billion dollars……the local authority for that area , key west, say the property is only worth 150 million tops…. If he can get an independent valuation that is worth that after whatever mortgages are outstanding Then the court is would take that… Same for trump tower Same for 40 Wall Street Same for 120 avenues of the Americas Same for each of the golf clubs he owns.. for example bedminster, dorral, heck… how about turnberry in Scotland!!!! It’s not having to find 464 million from one bond holder… as the New York ag and others have pointed out the amount can be spread out over as many bond holders as would be required.. be that 2…. Or 4…. Or8… ect ect The fact that they are claiming they have been to 30 different establishments and he can’t raise the funds minus mortgages raises so many red flags! Also… don’t fall for the claims that this has been sprung on them, they have known how much the New York AG has been wanting in court for 18 months! They know the basic “fraud” element has been decided 5-6 months ago… don’t you think they should like any good business have been preparing for the worst just in case! They didn’t have to do anything there and then but don’t you think they would have deals lined up if they had to find the total amount! What happens to this debt / fine if he becomes POTUS?" The same as all the other nations debt, including ours | |||
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"Yeah… not sure buddy understands He doesn’t have to push up the entire 454 million in cash… He could for example get an independent appraisal of any one of his properties, and put that up as a bond if he doesn’t have it all covered by other mortgages… For example…. Trump keeps trying to tell the world that Mar-a-Lago is worth 1.5 billion dollars……the local authority for that area , key west, say the property is only worth 150 million tops…. If he can get an independent valuation that is worth that after whatever mortgages are outstanding Then the court is would take that… Same for trump tower Same for 40 Wall Street Same for 120 avenues of the Americas Same for each of the golf clubs he owns.. for example bedminster, dorral, heck… how about turnberry in Scotland!!!! It’s not having to find 464 million from one bond holder… as the New York ag and others have pointed out the amount can be spread out over as many bond holders as would be required.. be that 2…. Or 4…. Or8… ect ect The fact that they are claiming they have been to 30 different establishments and he can’t raise the funds minus mortgages raises so many red flags! Also… don’t fall for the claims that this has been sprung on them, they have known how much the New York AG has been wanting in court for 18 months! They know the basic “fraud” element has been decided 5-6 months ago… don’t you think they should like any good business have been preparing for the worst just in case! They didn’t have to do anything there and then but don’t you think they would have deals lined up if they had to find the total amount! What happens to this debt / fine if he becomes POTUS?" In effect at the moment it’s personal debt and done under state law, so he can’t just wish it away….. I would not be surprised in the slightest if he declared himself bankrupt… remember if anyone put up the bond for him, they are the people liable, and they would need to then get back the money probably via the courts from trump knowing how litigious he is (probably another reason why people won’t lend to him) | |||
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"Buddy lane you seem to really love Trump. Why? What are the qualities he has that you admire? What things, in your opinion, make him a good candidate for POTUS? Straight talker unlike Mr Biden who can't string two words together, what else do you need. Straight talking is one of his attributes, it has landed him in trouble but also gained him a lot of support. What really annoys the progressive left is how he doesn't play by their rules and no amount of pressure changes that course. That plays right into his right wing supporters hands, someone who has the balls to stand up to the people they oppose. I've said this before, his greatest asset is the people who try and put him down at every turn, they promote him every time they do this and they never learn. This.. The rant video of a dem supporter going around is being used by the trump camp has a promotional video, they are helping Mr trump with their unhinged foolish behaviour. "Trump certainly has plenty of unhinged foolish behaviour. Agree with you there. | |||
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" Straight talking is one of his attributes " This is just bonkers. Even the most Trumped up, disconnected from reality Trumpeter wouldn't claim he's "straight taking". He rambles all over the shop. I posted a quote from him above about Nuclear power. Just batshit crazy ramblings of a narcissistic madman. | |||
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"What do the Mr Biden supporters like about Mr Biden and why should he be potus.?" Because he achieves things despite the Republicans trying desperately to stop him at every turn. Because he picks a team who do what is right for the USA NOT for him, like D J Trump. The economy is great, Unemployment is low, the stockmarket is high and he even negotiated a reduction in drug prices. The border is only a problem because the House of Representatives will not even discuss the bipartisan Border Bill because their Lord and Master (DJT) tells them not to. The Infrastructure bill was so needed and well liked by the American people that Republicans who opposed it vehemently from the start claimed they had done it. Biden is administrating with a skilled experienced team. Trump is a grifter who surrounds himself with incompetent sycophants bouyed up by MAGA cult members who give their hard earned dollars to a grifter so he does not have to pay for crimes executed before he even ran for president. How would you feel, what would you think, if Risi Sunak asked Conservative votors to pay for crimes he commited in his business life? | |||
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"Yeah… not sure buddy understands He doesn’t have to push up the entire 454 million in cash… He could for example get an independent appraisal of any one of his properties, and put that up as a bond if he doesn’t have it all covered by other mortgages… For example…. Trump keeps trying to tell the world that Mar-a-Lago is worth 1.5 billion dollars……the local authority for that area , key west, say the property is only worth 150 million tops…. If he can get an independent valuation that is worth that after whatever mortgages are outstanding Then the court is would take that… Same for trump tower Same for 40 Wall Street Same for 120 avenues of the Americas Same for each of the golf clubs he owns.. for example bedminster, dorral, heck… how about turnberry in Scotland!!!! It’s not having to find 464 million from one bond holder… as the New York ag and others have pointed out the amount can be spread out over as many bond holders as would be required.. be that 2…. Or 4…. Or8… ect ect The fact that they are claiming they have been to 30 different establishments and he can’t raise the funds minus mortgages raises so many red flags! Also… don’t fall for the claims that this has been sprung on them, they have known how much the New York AG has been wanting in court for 18 months! They know the basic “fraud” element has been decided 5-6 months ago… don’t you think they should like any good business have been preparing for the worst just in case! They didn’t have to do anything there and then but don’t you think they would have deals lined up if they had to find the total amount! What happens to this debt / fine if he becomes POTUS? In effect at the moment it’s personal debt and done under state law, so he can’t just wish it away….. I would not be surprised in the slightest if he declared himself bankrupt… remember if anyone put up the bond for him, they are the people liable, and they would need to then get back the money probably via the courts from trump knowing how litigious he is (probably another reason why people won’t lend to him) " If he becomes POTUS, can he dismiss the ruling or overturn the fines? Basically can he walk away from this? | |||
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"Yeah… not sure buddy understands He doesn’t have to push up the entire 454 million in cash… He could for example get an independent appraisal of any one of his properties, and put that up as a bond if he doesn’t have it all covered by other mortgages… For example…. Trump keeps trying to tell the world that Mar-a-Lago is worth 1.5 billion dollars……the local authority for that area , key west, say the property is only worth 150 million tops…. If he can get an independent valuation that is worth that after whatever mortgages are outstanding Then the court is would take that… Same for trump tower Same for 40 Wall Street Same for 120 avenues of the Americas Same for each of the golf clubs he owns.. for example bedminster, dorral, heck… how about turnberry in Scotland!!!! It’s not having to find 464 million from one bond holder… as the New York ag and others have pointed out the amount can be spread out over as many bond holders as would be required.. be that 2…. Or 4…. Or8… ect ect The fact that they are claiming they have been to 30 different establishments and he can’t raise the funds minus mortgages raises so many red flags! Also… don’t fall for the claims that this has been sprung on them, they have known how much the New York AG has been wanting in court for 18 months! They know the basic “fraud” element has been decided 5-6 months ago… don’t you think they should like any good business have been preparing for the worst just in case! They didn’t have to do anything there and then but don’t you think they would have deals lined up if they had to find the total amount! What happens to this debt / fine if he becomes POTUS? In effect at the moment it’s personal debt and done under state law, so he can’t just wish it away….. I would not be surprised in the slightest if he declared himself bankrupt… remember if anyone put up the bond for him, they are the people liable, and they would need to then get back the money probably via the courts from trump knowing how litigious he is (probably another reason why people won’t lend to him) If he becomes POTUS, can he dismiss the ruling or overturn the fines? Basically can he walk away from this?" No, this is state law, not federal, so he can’t do anything about it, legally. | |||
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"What do the Mr Biden supporters like about Mr Biden and why should he be potus.? Because he achieves things despite the Republicans trying desperately to stop him at every turn. Because he picks a team who do what is right for the USA NOT for him, like D J Trump. The economy is great, Unemployment is low, the stockmarket is high and he even negotiated a reduction in drug prices. The border is only a problem because the House of Representatives will not even discuss the bipartisan Border Bill because their Lord and Master (DJT) tells them not to. The Infrastructure bill was so needed and well liked by the American people that Republicans who opposed it vehemently from the start claimed they had done it. Biden is administrating with a skilled experienced team. Trump is a grifter who surrounds himself with incompetent sycophants bouyed up by MAGA cult members who give their hard earned dollars to a grifter so he does not have to pay for crimes executed before he even ran for president. How would you feel, what would you think, if Risi Sunak asked Conservative votors to pay for crimes he commited in his business life? " Even with the immigration bill… it was basically written by republicans, gave republicans almost everything they wanted AND didn’t link it to any concessions regarding dreamers, was supported by senate republicans and a fair few house republicans… and was going to become law right up until trump said no! Argument not being the bill was bad for the American people… but because he didn’t want it sorted before the election! Party before country and he doesn’t deny it! | |||
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"What do the Mr Biden supporters like about Mr Biden and why should he be potus.? Because he achieves things despite the Republicans trying desperately to stop him at every turn. Because he picks a team who do what is right for the USA NOT for him, like D J Trump. The economy is great, Unemployment is low, the stockmarket is high and he even negotiated a reduction in drug prices. The border is only a problem because the House of Representatives will not even discuss the bipartisan Border Bill because their Lord and Master (DJT) tells them not to. The Infrastructure bill was so needed and well liked by the American people that Republicans who opposed it vehemently from the start claimed they had done it. Biden is administrating with a skilled experienced team. Trump is a grifter who surrounds himself with incompetent sycophants bouyed up by MAGA cult members who give their hard earned dollars to a grifter so he does not have to pay for crimes executed before he even ran for president. How would you feel, what would you think, if Risi Sunak asked Conservative votors to pay for crimes he commited in his business life? Even with the immigration bill… it was basically written by republicans, gave republicans almost everything they wanted AND didn’t link it to any concessions regarding dreamers, was supported by senate republicans and a fair few house republicans… and was going to become law right up until trump said no! Argument not being the bill was bad for the American people… but because he didn’t want it sorted before the election! Party before country and he doesn’t deny it! " That’ll be his apparently lauded “straight talking” again!  | |||
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"What do the Mr Biden supporters like about Mr Biden and why should he be potus.? Because he achieves things despite the Republicans trying desperately to stop him at every turn. Because he picks a team who do what is right for the USA NOT for him, like D J Trump. The economy is great, Unemployment is low, the stockmarket is high and he even negotiated a reduction in drug prices. The border is only a problem because the House of Representatives will not even discuss the bipartisan Border Bill because their Lord and Master (DJT) tells them not to. The Infrastructure bill was so needed and well liked by the American people that Republicans who opposed it vehemently from the start claimed they had done it. Biden is administrating with a skilled experienced team. Trump is a grifter who surrounds himself with incompetent sycophants bouyed up by MAGA cult members who give their hard earned dollars to a grifter so he does not have to pay for crimes executed before he even ran for president. How would you feel, what would you think, if Risi Sunak asked Conservative votors to pay for crimes he commited in his business life? Even with the immigration bill… it was basically written by republicans, gave republicans almost everything they wanted AND didn’t link it to any concessions regarding dreamers, was supported by senate republicans and a fair few house republicans… and was going to become law right up until trump said no! Argument not being the bill was bad for the American people… but because he didn’t want it sorted before the election! Party before country and he doesn’t deny it! That’ll be his apparently lauded “straight talking” again! "He is ticking the right boxes for the voting public of the US, and I’m going to invest heavily in tissues, I think there will be a run on them post November | |||
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"What do the Mr Biden supporters like about Mr Biden and why should he be potus.? Because he achieves things despite the Republicans trying desperately to stop him at every turn. Because he picks a team who do what is right for the USA NOT for him, like D J Trump. The economy is great, Unemployment is low, the stockmarket is high and he even negotiated a reduction in drug prices. The border is only a problem because the House of Representatives will not even discuss the bipartisan Border Bill because their Lord and Master (DJT) tells them not to. The Infrastructure bill was so needed and well liked by the American people that Republicans who opposed it vehemently from the start claimed they had done it. Biden is administrating with a skilled experienced team. Trump is a grifter who surrounds himself with incompetent sycophants bouyed up by MAGA cult members who give their hard earned dollars to a grifter so he does not have to pay for crimes executed before he even ran for president. How would you feel, what would you think, if Risi Sunak asked Conservative votors to pay for crimes he commited in his business life? Even with the immigration bill… it was basically written by republicans, gave republicans almost everything they wanted AND didn’t link it to any concessions regarding dreamers, was supported by senate republicans and a fair few house republicans… and was going to become law right up until trump said no! Argument not being the bill was bad for the American people… but because he didn’t want it sorted before the election! Party before country and he doesn’t deny it! That’ll be his apparently lauded “straight talking” again!
He is ticking the right boxes for the voting public of the US, and I’m going to invest heavily in tissues, I think there will be a run on them post November "I’d love to bet you but I suspect you may be right! Both sides need some fresh blood for POTUS candidates not two characters from Night of the Living Dead! | |||
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"The deadline for the dosh is next week and there's a suggestion that assets may be taken fairly promptly. " The process will be started promptly… the actual assets themselves won’t be taken if needed till after the appeal (don’t want to in effect do a firesale as you won’t get proper value for them) so what will happen is that the AG will basically lodge with the court the intention of which properties they will go after first! What the court may decide to do if they claim poverty, is to take business as collateral in escrow | |||
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" Straight talking is one of his attributes, it has landed him in trouble but also gained him a lot of support. What really annoys the progressive left is how he doesn't play by their rules and no amount of pressure changes that course." So, just to make this quick distinction: I believe the general issue isn't that he doesn't play by the rules of the progressive left, but rather that he doesn't play by the rules of the US Constitution, the rules of Federal law, the rules of States laws, the rules of International law, the rules of the diplomatic corps, the rules of civilised discourse and common decency, the rules of the Bible he claims to believe in, or the Golden Rule. Of course there will be a huge amount of people who respect him for the above, I'm not debating that. Some because they too aspire to live in a basically lawless society (apart from the ones that benefit them, of course), and some because he annoys the people they wrongly believe are their enemies. I just take issue with presenting it as any kind of intelligence or courage. | |||
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" Straight talking is one of his attributes, it has landed him in trouble but also gained him a lot of support. What really annoys the progressive left is how he doesn't play by their rules and no amount of pressure changes that course. So, just to make this quick distinction: I believe the general issue isn't that he doesn't play by the rules of the progressive left, but rather that he doesn't play by the rules of the US Constitution, the rules of Federal law, the rules of States laws, the rules of International law, the rules of the diplomatic corps, the rules of civilised discourse and common decency, the rules of the Bible he claims to believe in, or the Golden Rule. Of course there will be a huge amount of people who respect him for the above, I'm not debating that. Some because they too aspire to live in a basically lawless society (apart from the ones that benefit them, of course), and some because he annoys the people they wrongly believe are their enemies. I just take issue with presenting it as any kind of intelligence or courage." | |||
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" Straight talking is one of his attributes, it has landed him in trouble but also gained him a lot of support. What really annoys the progressive left is how he doesn't play by their rules and no amount of pressure changes that course. So, just to make this quick distinction: I believe the general issue isn't that he doesn't play by the rules of the progressive left, but rather that he doesn't play by the rules of the US Constitution, the rules of Federal law, the rules of States laws, the rules of International law, the rules of the diplomatic corps, the rules of civilised discourse and common decency, the rules of the Bible he claims to believe in, or the Golden Rule. Of course there will be a huge amount of people who respect him for the above, I'm not debating that. Some because they too aspire to live in a basically lawless society (apart from the ones that benefit them, of course), and some because he annoys the people they wrongly believe are their enemies. I just take issue with presenting it as any kind of intelligence or courage." Not sure about the Golden Rule but if the rumours are true Trump enjoys a Golden Shower! | |||
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" Straight talking is one of his attributes, it has landed him in trouble but also gained him a lot of support. What really annoys the progressive left is how he doesn't play by their rules and no amount of pressure changes that course. So, just to make this quick distinction: I believe the general issue isn't that he doesn't play by the rules of the progressive left, but rather that he doesn't play by the rules of the US Constitution, the rules of Federal law, the rules of States laws, the rules of International law, the rules of the diplomatic corps, the rules of civilised discourse and common decency, the rules of the Bible he claims to believe in, or the Golden Rule. Of course there will be a huge amount of people who respect him for the above, I'm not debating that. Some because they too aspire to live in a basically lawless society (apart from the ones that benefit them, of course), and some because he annoys the people they wrongly believe are their enemies. I just take issue with presenting it as any kind of intelligence or courage." Trump has a supportive electorate that will more than likely put him back into the most powerful role in the world, this you have no influence over, and as I mentioned in my original post, the more people attack him the more he is supported. | |||
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" Straight talking is one of his attributes, it has landed him in trouble but also gained him a lot of support. What really annoys the progressive left is how he doesn't play by their rules and no amount of pressure changes that course. So, just to make this quick distinction: I believe the general issue isn't that he doesn't play by the rules of the progressive left, but rather that he doesn't play by the rules of the US Constitution, the rules of Federal law, the rules of States laws, the rules of International law, the rules of the diplomatic corps, the rules of civilised discourse and common decency, the rules of the Bible he claims to believe in, or the Golden Rule. Of course there will be a huge amount of people who respect him for the above, I'm not debating that. Some because they too aspire to live in a basically lawless society (apart from the ones that benefit them, of course), and some because he annoys the people they wrongly believe are their enemies. I just take issue with presenting it as any kind of intelligence or courage. Trump has a supportive electorate that will more than likely put him back into the most powerful role in the world, this you have no influence over, and as I mentioned in my original post, the more people attack him the more he is supported. " True. “We know he is a complete fucking cunt, but he’s our complete fucking cunt!” | |||
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" Straight talking is one of his attributes, it has landed him in trouble but also gained him a lot of support. What really annoys the progressive left is how he doesn't play by their rules and no amount of pressure changes that course. So, just to make this quick distinction: I believe the general issue isn't that he doesn't play by the rules of the progressive left, but rather that he doesn't play by the rules of the US Constitution, the rules of Federal law, the rules of States laws, the rules of International law, the rules of the diplomatic corps, the rules of civilised discourse and common decency, the rules of the Bible he claims to believe in, or the Golden Rule. Of course there will be a huge amount of people who respect him for the above, I'm not debating that. Some because they too aspire to live in a basically lawless society (apart from the ones that benefit them, of course), and some because he annoys the people they wrongly believe are their enemies. I just take issue with presenting it as any kind of intelligence or courage. Trump has a supportive electorate that will more than likely put him back into the most powerful role in the world, this you have no influence over, and as I mentioned in my original post, the more people attack him the more he is supported. True. “We know he is a complete fucking cunt, but he’s our complete fucking cunt!”" Choose your poison, simple as that | |||
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"Trump has a supportive electorate that will more than likely put him back into the most powerful role in the world, this you have no influence over, and as I mentioned in my original post, the more people attack him the more he is supported. " It's true that the people who elected him in 2016 are unlikely to have been deterred by his actions in the intervening eight years, and that their support becomes more galvanised when they see him receive criticism, although should he lose again it's arguable he will do less damage than he did last time he lost, by dint of not being in office at the time. I'm more interested to see what happens to the Republican party in the longer term. | |||
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" Straight talking is one of his attributes, it has landed him in trouble but also gained him a lot of support. What really annoys the progressive left is how he doesn't play by their rules and no amount of pressure changes that course. So, just to make this quick distinction: I believe the general issue isn't that he doesn't play by the rules of the progressive left, but rather that he doesn't play by the rules of the US Constitution, the rules of Federal law, the rules of States laws, the rules of International law, the rules of the diplomatic corps, the rules of civilised discourse and common decency, the rules of the Bible he claims to believe in, or the Golden Rule. Of course there will be a huge amount of people who respect him for the above, I'm not debating that. Some because they too aspire to live in a basically lawless society (apart from the ones that benefit them, of course), and some because he annoys the people they wrongly believe are their enemies. I just take issue with presenting it as any kind of intelligence or courage. Trump has a supportive electorate that will more than likely put him back into the most powerful role in the world, this you have no influence over, and as I mentioned in my original post, the more people attack him the more he is supported. " What do you think would help Americas not to vote against their own interests? | |||
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" Straight talking is one of his attributes, it has landed him in trouble but also gained him a lot of support. What really annoys the progressive left is how he doesn't play by their rules and no amount of pressure changes that course. So, just to make this quick distinction: I believe the general issue isn't that he doesn't play by the rules of the progressive left, but rather that he doesn't play by the rules of the US Constitution, the rules of Federal law, the rules of States laws, the rules of International law, the rules of the diplomatic corps, the rules of civilised discourse and common decency, the rules of the Bible he claims to believe in, or the Golden Rule. Of course there will be a huge amount of people who respect him for the above, I'm not debating that. Some because they too aspire to live in a basically lawless society (apart from the ones that benefit them, of course), and some because he annoys the people they wrongly believe are their enemies. I just take issue with presenting it as any kind of intelligence or courage. Trump has a supportive electorate that will more than likely put him back into the most powerful role in the world, this you have no influence over, and as I mentioned in my original post, the more people attack him the more he is supported. What do you think would help Americas not to vote against their own interests?" Bill Majher explained this. Many evangelical Christians support Trump because, in order to be EC, they have already suspended their belief in reality. | |||
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"What do the Mr Biden supporters like about Mr Biden and why should he be potus.? Because he achieves things despite the Republicans trying desperately to stop him at every turn. Because he picks a team who do what is right for the USA NOT for him, like D J Trump. The economy is great, Unemployment is low, the stockmarket is high and he even negotiated a reduction in drug prices. The border is only a problem because the House of Representatives will not even discuss the bipartisan Border Bill because their Lord and Master (DJT) tells them not to. The Infrastructure bill was so needed and well liked by the American people that Republicans who opposed it vehemently from the start claimed they had done it. Biden is administrating with a skilled experienced team. Trump is a grifter who surrounds himself with incompetent sycophants bouyed up by MAGA cult members who give their hard earned dollars to a grifter so he does not have to pay for crimes executed before he even ran for president. How would you feel, what would you think, if Risi Sunak asked Conservative votors to pay for crimes he commited in his business life? Even with the immigration bill… it was basically written by republicans, gave republicans almost everything they wanted AND didn’t link it to any concessions regarding dreamers, was supported by senate republicans and a fair few house republicans… and was going to become law right up until trump said no! Argument not being the bill was bad for the American people… but because he didn’t want it sorted before the election! Party before country and he doesn’t deny it! That’ll be his apparently lauded “straight talking” again!
He is ticking the right boxes for the voting public of the US, and I’m going to invest heavily in tissues, I think there will be a run on them post November
I’d love to bet you but I suspect you may be right! Both sides need some fresh blood for POTUS candidates not two characters from Night of the Living Dead!"The thing is on both sides of the Atlantic people have become obsessed with personality whereas true leadership means building a team of people who can and do get things done. Biden has built a team around him that is getting things done for the United States of America and he has (and will continue) to build and strengthen that team. Trump built a team of sycophants around him (2016-2020) and many of those same people have since turned on him because of what they saw. Just recently Trump has taken over the Republican Party and ousted people deemed “non-believers” and replaced them with people who only needed one quality - to be MAGA extremists. He would do the same from next year if he gets in again and more and more people are seeing the writing on the whole. I think it will be a very bad day for an America, a very bad day for the rest of the world and a total catastrophe for Ukraine if Trump wins. I remain hopeful that the American people will do the right thing come November and give Biden a second term. | |||
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"What do the Mr Biden supporters like about Mr Biden and why should he be potus.? Because he achieves things despite the Republicans trying desperately to stop him at every turn. Because he picks a team who do what is right for the USA NOT for him, like D J Trump. The economy is great, Unemployment is low, the stockmarket is high and he even negotiated a reduction in drug prices. The border is only a problem because the House of Representatives will not even discuss the bipartisan Border Bill because their Lord and Master (DJT) tells them not to. The Infrastructure bill was so needed and well liked by the American people that Republicans who opposed it vehemently from the start claimed they had done it. Biden is administrating with a skilled experienced team. Trump is a grifter who surrounds himself with incompetent sycophants bouyed up by MAGA cult members who give their hard earned dollars to a grifter so he does not have to pay for crimes executed before he even ran for president. How would you feel, what would you think, if Risi Sunak asked Conservative votors to pay for crimes he commited in his business life? Even with the immigration bill… it was basically written by republicans, gave republicans almost everything they wanted AND didn’t link it to any concessions regarding dreamers, was supported by senate republicans and a fair few house republicans… and was going to become law right up until trump said no! Argument not being the bill was bad for the American people… but because he didn’t want it sorted before the election! Party before country and he doesn’t deny it! That’ll be his apparently lauded “straight talking” again!
He is ticking the right boxes for the voting public of the US, and I’m going to invest heavily in tissues, I think there will be a run on them post November
I’d love to bet you but I suspect you may be right! Both sides need some fresh blood for POTUS candidates not two characters from Night of the Living Dead!
The thing is on both sides of the Atlantic people have become obsessed with personality whereas true leadership means building a team of people who can and do get things done.
Biden has built a team around him that is getting things done for the United States of America and he has (and will continue) to build and strengthen that team.
Trump built a team of sycophants around him (2016-2020) and many of those same people have since turned on him because of what they saw. Just recently Trump has taken over the Republican Party and ousted people deemed “non-believers” and replaced them with people who only needed one quality - to be MAGA extremists. He would do the same from next year if he gets in again and more and more people are seeing the writing on the whole.
I think it will be a very bad day for an America, a very bad day for the rest of the world and a total catastrophe for Ukraine if Trump wins. I remain hopeful that the American people will do the right thing come November and give Biden a second term."It wont be a bad day for the US if Trump becomes president, because that is what the majority of Americans would have wanted, surely you must accept that? | |||
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" It wont be a bad day for the US if Trump becomes president, because that is what the majority of Americans would have wanted, surely you must accept that?" Well, firstly last time he won it wasn't what the majority of Americans or even the majority of voters wanted. Secondly being popular and being good for the country is not the same thing. Surely you must accept that. | |||
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"What do the Mr Biden supporters like about Mr Biden and why should he be potus.? Because he achieves things despite the Republicans trying desperately to stop him at every turn. Because he picks a team who do what is right for the USA NOT for him, like D J Trump. The economy is great, Unemployment is low, the stockmarket is high and he even negotiated a reduction in drug prices. The border is only a problem because the House of Representatives will not even discuss the bipartisan Border Bill because their Lord and Master (DJT) tells them not to. The Infrastructure bill was so needed and well liked by the American people that Republicans who opposed it vehemently from the start claimed they had done it. Biden is administrating with a skilled experienced team. Trump is a grifter who surrounds himself with incompetent sycophants bouyed up by MAGA cult members who give their hard earned dollars to a grifter so he does not have to pay for crimes executed before he even ran for president. How would you feel, what would you think, if Risi Sunak asked Conservative votors to pay for crimes he commited in his business life? Even with the immigration bill… it was basically written by republicans, gave republicans almost everything they wanted AND didn’t link it to any concessions regarding dreamers, was supported by senate republicans and a fair few house republicans… and was going to become law right up until trump said no! Argument not being the bill was bad for the American people… but because he didn’t want it sorted before the election! Party before country and he doesn’t deny it! That’ll be his apparently lauded “straight talking” again!
He is ticking the right boxes for the voting public of the US, and I’m going to invest heavily in tissues, I think there will be a run on them post November
I’d love to bet you but I suspect you may be right! Both sides need some fresh blood for POTUS candidates not two characters from Night of the Living Dead!
The thing is on both sides of the Atlantic people have become obsessed with personality whereas true leadership means building a team of people who can and do get things done.
Biden has built a team around him that is getting things done for the United States of America and he has (and will continue) to build and strengthen that team.
Trump built a team of sycophants around him (2016-2020) and many of those same people have since turned on him because of what they saw. Just recently Trump has taken over the Republican Party and ousted people deemed “non-believers” and replaced them with people who only needed one quality - to be MAGA extremists. He would do the same from next year if he gets in again and more and more people are seeing the writing on the whole.
I think it will be a very bad day for an America, a very bad day for the rest of the world and a total catastrophe for Ukraine if Trump wins. I remain hopeful that the American people will do the right thing come November and give Biden a second term.
It wont be a bad day for the US if Trump becomes president, because that is what the majority of Americans would have wanted, surely you must accept that?"He didn’t win the popular vote in 2016 and he didn’t win the popular vote in 2020. Now, there are a sizeable chunk of former Trumpsters who will simply not vote for him again. Has he found new voters through his tactic of division and whining? Or are the Haley voters now never-Trumpers? | |||
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"What do the Mr Biden supporters like about Mr Biden and why should he be potus.? Because he achieves things despite the Republicans trying desperately to stop him at every turn. Because he picks a team who do what is right for the USA NOT for him, like D J Trump. The economy is great, Unemployment is low, the stockmarket is high and he even negotiated a reduction in drug prices. The border is only a problem because the House of Representatives will not even discuss the bipartisan Border Bill because their Lord and Master (DJT) tells them not to. The Infrastructure bill was so needed and well liked by the American people that Republicans who opposed it vehemently from the start claimed they had done it. Biden is administrating with a skilled experienced team. Trump is a grifter who surrounds himself with incompetent sycophants bouyed up by MAGA cult members who give their hard earned dollars to a grifter so he does not have to pay for crimes executed before he even ran for president. How would you feel, what would you think, if Risi Sunak asked Conservative votors to pay for crimes he commited in his business life? Even with the immigration bill… it was basically written by republicans, gave republicans almost everything they wanted AND didn’t link it to any concessions regarding dreamers, was supported by senate republicans and a fair few house republicans… and was going to become law right up until trump said no! Argument not being the bill was bad for the American people… but because he didn’t want it sorted before the election! Party before country and he doesn’t deny it! That’ll be his apparently lauded “straight talking” again!
He is ticking the right boxes for the voting public of the US, and I’m going to invest heavily in tissues, I think there will be a run on them post November
I’d love to bet you but I suspect you may be right! Both sides need some fresh blood for POTUS candidates not two characters from Night of the Living Dead!
The thing is on both sides of the Atlantic people have become obsessed with personality whereas true leadership means building a team of people who can and do get things done.
Biden has built a team around him that is getting things done for the United States of America and he has (and will continue) to build and strengthen that team.
Trump built a team of sycophants around him (2016-2020) and many of those same people have since turned on him because of what they saw. Just recently Trump has taken over the Republican Party and ousted people deemed “non-believers” and replaced them with people who only needed one quality - to be MAGA extremists. He would do the same from next year if he gets in again and more and more people are seeing the writing on the whole.
I think it will be a very bad day for an America, a very bad day for the rest of the world and a total catastrophe for Ukraine if Trump wins. I remain hopeful that the American people will do the right thing come November and give Biden a second term.
It wont be a bad day for the US if Trump becomes president, because that is what the majority of Americans would have wanted, surely you must accept that?
He didn’t win the popular vote in 2016 and he didn’t win the popular vote in 2020. Now, there are a sizeable chunk of former Trumpsters who will simply not vote for him again.
Has he found new voters through his tactic of division and whining? Or are the Haley voters now never-Trumpers?"It is down the voting public of the US who they decide to be their next leader, and I for one will respect their vote. | |||
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"What do the Mr Biden supporters like about Mr Biden and why should he be potus.? Because he achieves things despite the Republicans trying desperately to stop him at every turn. Because he picks a team who do what is right for the USA NOT for him, like D J Trump. The economy is great, Unemployment is low, the stockmarket is high and he even negotiated a reduction in drug prices. The border is only a problem because the House of Representatives will not even discuss the bipartisan Border Bill because their Lord and Master (DJT) tells them not to. The Infrastructure bill was so needed and well liked by the American people that Republicans who opposed it vehemently from the start claimed they had done it. Biden is administrating with a skilled experienced team. Trump is a grifter who surrounds himself with incompetent sycophants bouyed up by MAGA cult members who give their hard earned dollars to a grifter so he does not have to pay for crimes executed before he even ran for president. How would you feel, what would you think, if Risi Sunak asked Conservative votors to pay for crimes he commited in his business life? Even with the immigration bill… it was basically written by republicans, gave republicans almost everything they wanted AND didn’t link it to any concessions regarding dreamers, was supported by senate republicans and a fair few house republicans… and was going to become law right up until trump said no! Argument not being the bill was bad for the American people… but because he didn’t want it sorted before the election! Party before country and he doesn’t deny it! That’ll be his apparently lauded “straight talking” again!
He is ticking the right boxes for the voting public of the US, and I’m going to invest heavily in tissues, I think there will be a run on them post November
I’d love to bet you but I suspect you may be right! Both sides need some fresh blood for POTUS candidates not two characters from Night of the Living Dead!
The thing is on both sides of the Atlantic people have become obsessed with personality whereas true leadership means building a team of people who can and do get things done.
Biden has built a team around him that is getting things done for the United States of America and he has (and will continue) to build and strengthen that team.
Trump built a team of sycophants around him (2016-2020) and many of those same people have since turned on him because of what they saw. Just recently Trump has taken over the Republican Party and ousted people deemed “non-believers” and replaced them with people who only needed one quality - to be MAGA extremists. He would do the same from next year if he gets in again and more and more people are seeing the writing on the whole.
I think it will be a very bad day for an America, a very bad day for the rest of the world and a total catastrophe for Ukraine if Trump wins. I remain hopeful that the American people will do the right thing come November and give Biden a second term.
It wont be a bad day for the US if Trump becomes president, because that is what the majority of Americans would have wanted, surely you must accept that?
He didn’t win the popular vote in 2016 and he didn’t win the popular vote in 2020. Now, there are a sizeable chunk of former Trumpsters who will simply not vote for him again.
Has he found new voters through his tactic of division and whining? Or are the Haley voters now never-Trumpers?
It is down the voting public of the US who they decide to be their next leader, and I for one will respect their vote."Unlike Donald Trump. | |||
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"What do the Mr Biden supporters like about Mr Biden and why should he be potus.? Because he achieves things despite the Republicans trying desperately to stop him at every turn. Because he picks a team who do what is right for the USA NOT for him, like D J Trump. The economy is great, Unemployment is low, the stockmarket is high and he even negotiated a reduction in drug prices. The border is only a problem because the House of Representatives will not even discuss the bipartisan Border Bill because their Lord and Master (DJT) tells them not to. The Infrastructure bill was so needed and well liked by the American people that Republicans who opposed it vehemently from the start claimed they had done it. Biden is administrating with a skilled experienced team. Trump is a grifter who surrounds himself with incompetent sycophants bouyed up by MAGA cult members who give their hard earned dollars to a grifter so he does not have to pay for crimes executed before he even ran for president. How would you feel, what would you think, if Risi Sunak asked Conservative votors to pay for crimes he commited in his business life? Even with the immigration bill… it was basically written by republicans, gave republicans almost everything they wanted AND didn’t link it to any concessions regarding dreamers, was supported by senate republicans and a fair few house republicans… and was going to become law right up until trump said no! Argument not being the bill was bad for the American people… but because he didn’t want it sorted before the election! Party before country and he doesn’t deny it! That’ll be his apparently lauded “straight talking” again!
He is ticking the right boxes for the voting public of the US, and I’m going to invest heavily in tissues, I think there will be a run on them post November
I’d love to bet you but I suspect you may be right! Both sides need some fresh blood for POTUS candidates not two characters from Night of the Living Dead!
The thing is on both sides of the Atlantic people have become obsessed with personality whereas true leadership means building a team of people who can and do get things done.
Biden has built a team around him that is getting things done for the United States of America and he has (and will continue) to build and strengthen that team.
Trump built a team of sycophants around him (2016-2020) and many of those same people have since turned on him because of what they saw. Just recently Trump has taken over the Republican Party and ousted people deemed “non-believers” and replaced them with people who only needed one quality - to be MAGA extremists. He would do the same from next year if he gets in again and more and more people are seeing the writing on the whole.
I think it will be a very bad day for an America, a very bad day for the rest of the world and a total catastrophe for Ukraine if Trump wins. I remain hopeful that the American people will do the right thing come November and give Biden a second term.
It wont be a bad day for the US if Trump becomes president, because that is what the majority of Americans would have wanted, surely you must accept that?
He didn’t win the popular vote in 2016 and he didn’t win the popular vote in 2020. Now, there are a sizeable chunk of former Trumpsters who will simply not vote for him again.
Has he found new voters through his tactic of division and whining? Or are the Haley voters now never-Trumpers?
It is down the voting public of the US who they decide to be their next leader, and I for one will respect their vote.
Unlike Donald Trump."The people have the last say | |||
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"What do the Mr Biden supporters like about Mr Biden and why should he be potus.? Because he achieves things despite the Republicans trying desperately to stop him at every turn. Because he picks a team who do what is right for the USA NOT for him, like D J Trump. The economy is great, Unemployment is low, the stockmarket is high and he even negotiated a reduction in drug prices. The border is only a problem because the House of Representatives will not even discuss the bipartisan Border Bill because their Lord and Master (DJT) tells them not to. The Infrastructure bill was so needed and well liked by the American people that Republicans who opposed it vehemently from the start claimed they had done it. Biden is administrating with a skilled experienced team. Trump is a grifter who surrounds himself with incompetent sycophants bouyed up by MAGA cult members who give their hard earned dollars to a grifter so he does not have to pay for crimes executed before he even ran for president. How would you feel, what would you think, if Risi Sunak asked Conservative votors to pay for crimes he commited in his business life? Even with the immigration bill… it was basically written by republicans, gave republicans almost everything they wanted AND didn’t link it to any concessions regarding dreamers, was supported by senate republicans and a fair few house republicans… and was going to become law right up until trump said no! Argument not being the bill was bad for the American people… but because he didn’t want it sorted before the election! Party before country and he doesn’t deny it! That’ll be his apparently lauded “straight talking” again!
He is ticking the right boxes for the voting public of the US, and I’m going to invest heavily in tissues, I think there will be a run on them post November
I’d love to bet you but I suspect you may be right! Both sides need some fresh blood for POTUS candidates not two characters from Night of the Living Dead!
The thing is on both sides of the Atlantic people have become obsessed with personality whereas true leadership means building a team of people who can and do get things done.
Biden has built a team around him that is getting things done for the United States of America and he has (and will continue) to build and strengthen that team.
Trump built a team of sycophants around him (2016-2020) and many of those same people have since turned on him because of what they saw. Just recently Trump has taken over the Republican Party and ousted people deemed “non-believers” and replaced them with people who only needed one quality - to be MAGA extremists. He would do the same from next year if he gets in again and more and more people are seeing the writing on the whole.
I think it will be a very bad day for an America, a very bad day for the rest of the world and a total catastrophe for Ukraine if Trump wins. I remain hopeful that the American people will do the right thing come November and give Biden a second term.
It wont be a bad day for the US if Trump becomes president, because that is what the majority of Americans would have wanted, surely you must accept that?
He didn’t win the popular vote in 2016 and he didn’t win the popular vote in 2020. Now, there are a sizeable chunk of former Trumpsters who will simply not vote for him again.
Has he found new voters through his tactic of division and whining? Or are the Haley voters now never-Trumpers?
It is down the voting public of the US who they decide to be their next leader, and I for one will respect their vote.
Unlike Donald Trump.
The people have the last say"It's the electoral college, actually dude. If it was the people, Trump would never have got within a hundred yards of the White House. | |||
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"What do the Mr Biden supporters like about Mr Biden and why should he be potus.? Because he achieves things despite the Republicans trying desperately to stop him at every turn. Because he picks a team who do what is right for the USA NOT for him, like D J Trump. The economy is great, Unemployment is low, the stockmarket is high and he even negotiated a reduction in drug prices. The border is only a problem because the House of Representatives will not even discuss the bipartisan Border Bill because their Lord and Master (DJT) tells them not to. The Infrastructure bill was so needed and well liked by the American people that Republicans who opposed it vehemently from the start claimed they had done it. Biden is administrating with a skilled experienced team. Trump is a grifter who surrounds himself with incompetent sycophants bouyed up by MAGA cult members who give their hard earned dollars to a grifter so he does not have to pay for crimes executed before he even ran for president. How would you feel, what would you think, if Risi Sunak asked Conservative votors to pay for crimes he commited in his business life? Even with the immigration bill… it was basically written by republicans, gave republicans almost everything they wanted AND didn’t link it to any concessions regarding dreamers, was supported by senate republicans and a fair few house republicans… and was going to become law right up until trump said no! Argument not being the bill was bad for the American people… but because he didn’t want it sorted before the election! Party before country and he doesn’t deny it! That’ll be his apparently lauded “straight talking” again!
He is ticking the right boxes for the voting public of the US, and I’m going to invest heavily in tissues, I think there will be a run on them post November
I’d love to bet you but I suspect you may be right! Both sides need some fresh blood for POTUS candidates not two characters from Night of the Living Dead!
The thing is on both sides of the Atlantic people have become obsessed with personality whereas true leadership means building a team of people who can and do get things done.
Biden has built a team around him that is getting things done for the United States of America and he has (and will continue) to build and strengthen that team.
Trump built a team of sycophants around him (2016-2020) and many of those same people have since turned on him because of what they saw. Just recently Trump has taken over the Republican Party and ousted people deemed “non-believers” and replaced them with people who only needed one quality - to be MAGA extremists. He would do the same from next year if he gets in again and more and more people are seeing the writing on the whole.
I think it will be a very bad day for an America, a very bad day for the rest of the world and a total catastrophe for Ukraine if Trump wins. I remain hopeful that the American people will do the right thing come November and give Biden a second term.
It wont be a bad day for the US if Trump becomes president, because that is what the majority of Americans would have wanted, surely you must accept that?"This makes no sense. If the majority of people want to be punched in the face, does that mean it's a good thing that everyone gets punched in the face? Surely it's better if no one gets a fist to the chops. | |||
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"What do the Mr Biden supporters like about Mr Biden and why should he be potus.? Because he achieves things despite the Republicans trying desperately to stop him at every turn. Because he picks a team who do what is right for the USA NOT for him, like D J Trump. The economy is great, Unemployment is low, the stockmarket is high and he even negotiated a reduction in drug prices. The border is only a problem because the House of Representatives will not even discuss the bipartisan Border Bill because their Lord and Master (DJT) tells them not to. The Infrastructure bill was so needed and well liked by the American people that Republicans who opposed it vehemently from the start claimed they had done it. Biden is administrating with a skilled experienced team. Trump is a grifter who surrounds himself with incompetent sycophants bouyed up by MAGA cult members who give their hard earned dollars to a grifter so he does not have to pay for crimes executed before he even ran for president. How would you feel, what would you think, if Risi Sunak asked Conservative votors to pay for crimes he commited in his business life? Even with the immigration bill… it was basically written by republicans, gave republicans almost everything they wanted AND didn’t link it to any concessions regarding dreamers, was supported by senate republicans and a fair few house republicans… and was going to become law right up until trump said no! Argument not being the bill was bad for the American people… but because he didn’t want it sorted before the election! Party before country and he doesn’t deny it! That’ll be his apparently lauded “straight talking” again!
He is ticking the right boxes for the voting public of the US, and I’m going to invest heavily in tissues, I think there will be a run on them post November
I’d love to bet you but I suspect you may be right! Both sides need some fresh blood for POTUS candidates not two characters from Night of the Living Dead!
The thing is on both sides of the Atlantic people have become obsessed with personality whereas true leadership means building a team of people who can and do get things done.
Biden has built a team around him that is getting things done for the United States of America and he has (and will continue) to build and strengthen that team.
Trump built a team of sycophants around him (2016-2020) and many of those same people have since turned on him because of what they saw. Just recently Trump has taken over the Republican Party and ousted people deemed “non-believers” and replaced them with people who only needed one quality - to be MAGA extremists. He would do the same from next year if he gets in again and more and more people are seeing the writing on the whole.
I think it will be a very bad day for an America, a very bad day for the rest of the world and a total catastrophe for Ukraine if Trump wins. I remain hopeful that the American people will do the right thing come November and give Biden a second term.
It wont be a bad day for the US if Trump becomes president, because that is what the majority of Americans would have wanted, surely you must accept that?
He didn’t win the popular vote in 2016 and he didn’t win the popular vote in 2020. Now, there are a sizeable chunk of former Trumpsters who will simply not vote for him again.
Has he found new voters through his tactic of division and whining? Or are the Haley voters now never-Trumpers?
It is down the voting public of the US who they decide to be their next leader, and I for one will respect their vote.
Unlike Donald Trump.
The people have the last say
It's the electoral college, actually dude. If it was the people, Trump would never have got within a hundred yards of the White House."We shall see where the people put their vote in November... | |||
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"Of course Mr trump had the money for the bond payment, the entrepreneurs of new york are seeing how corrupt the system is towards them with threats of frezzing and selling assets, the appeal will take years before it is heard by which time new york will be a ghost town void of entrepreneurs." By that logic everyone who has never lied on a mortgage application would refuse to ever have another mortgage because one guy who did lie, and was caught, is being punished for his fraudulent activity. | |||
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"What do the Mr Biden supporters like about Mr Biden and why should he be potus.? Because he achieves things despite the Republicans trying desperately to stop him at every turn. Because he picks a team who do what is right for the USA NOT for him, like D J Trump. The economy is great, Unemployment is low, the stockmarket is high and he even negotiated a reduction in drug prices. The border is only a problem because the House of Representatives will not even discuss the bipartisan Border Bill because their Lord and Master (DJT) tells them not to. The Infrastructure bill was so needed and well liked by the American people that Republicans who opposed it vehemently from the start claimed they had done it. Biden is administrating with a skilled experienced team. Trump is a grifter who surrounds himself with incompetent sycophants bouyed up by MAGA cult members who give their hard earned dollars to a grifter so he does not have to pay for crimes executed before he even ran for president. How would you feel, what would you think, if Risi Sunak asked Conservative votors to pay for crimes he commited in his business life? Even with the immigration bill… it was basically written by republicans, gave republicans almost everything they wanted AND didn’t link it to any concessions regarding dreamers, was supported by senate republicans and a fair few house republicans… and was going to become law right up until trump said no! Argument not being the bill was bad for the American people… but because he didn’t want it sorted before the election! Party before country and he doesn’t deny it! That’ll be his apparently lauded “straight talking” again!
He is ticking the right boxes for the voting public of the US, and I’m going to invest heavily in tissues, I think there will be a run on them post November
I’d love to bet you but I suspect you may be right! Both sides need some fresh blood for POTUS candidates not two characters from Night of the Living Dead!
The thing is on both sides of the Atlantic people have become obsessed with personality whereas true leadership means building a team of people who can and do get things done.
Biden has built a team around him that is getting things done for the United States of America and he has (and will continue) to build and strengthen that team.
Trump built a team of sycophants around him (2016-2020) and many of those same people have since turned on him because of what they saw. Just recently Trump has taken over the Republican Party and ousted people deemed “non-believers” and replaced them with people who only needed one quality - to be MAGA extremists. He would do the same from next year if he gets in again and more and more people are seeing the writing on the whole.
I think it will be a very bad day for an America, a very bad day for the rest of the world and a total catastrophe for Ukraine if Trump wins. I remain hopeful that the American people will do the right thing come November and give Biden a second term.
It wont be a bad day for the US if Trump becomes president, because that is what the majority of Americans would have wanted, surely you must accept that?
He didn’t win the popular vote in 2016 and he didn’t win the popular vote in 2020. Now, there are a sizeable chunk of former Trumpsters who will simply not vote for him again.
Has he found new voters through his tactic of division and whining? Or are the Haley voters now never-Trumpers?
It is down the voting public of the US who they decide to be their next leader, and I for one will respect their vote.
Unlike Donald Trump.
The people have the last say
It's the electoral college, actually dude. If it was the people, Trump would never have got within a hundred yards of the White House.
We shall see where the people put their vote in November...
"You don’t get it do you? He lost the popular vote in 2016 but got in because of electoral college voters. He lost the popular vote in 2020 and knew gat he had lost the electoral college votes and so tried to set up fake electors to steal the electoral college votes. | |||
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"Of course Mr trump had the money for the bond payment, the entrepreneurs of new york are seeing how corrupt the system is towards them with threats of frezzing and selling assets, the appeal will take years before it is heard by which time new york will be a ghost town void of entrepreneurs. By that logic everyone who has never lied on a mortgage application would refuse to ever have another mortgage because one guy who did lie, and was caught, is being punished for his fraudulent activity." Assets are only worth what an investor or bank are going to lend against, a bank or investor will do due diligence in looking into this before lending, and if the bank makes money from it which they did there is no crime or victim. Election interference is what is happening. | |||
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"What do the Mr Biden supporters like about Mr Biden and why should he be potus.? Because he achieves things despite the Republicans trying desperately to stop him at every turn. Because he picks a team who do what is right for the USA NOT for him, like D J Trump. The economy is great, Unemployment is low, the stockmarket is high and he even negotiated a reduction in drug prices. The border is only a problem because the House of Representatives will not even discuss the bipartisan Border Bill because their Lord and Master (DJT) tells them not to. The Infrastructure bill was so needed and well liked by the American people that Republicans who opposed it vehemently from the start claimed they had done it. Biden is administrating with a skilled experienced team. Trump is a grifter who surrounds himself with incompetent sycophants bouyed up by MAGA cult members who give their hard earned dollars to a grifter so he does not have to pay for crimes executed before he even ran for president. How would you feel, what would you think, if Risi Sunak asked Conservative votors to pay for crimes he commited in his business life? Even with the immigration bill… it was basically written by republicans, gave republicans almost everything they wanted AND didn’t link it to any concessions regarding dreamers, was supported by senate republicans and a fair few house republicans… and was going to become law right up until trump said no! Argument not being the bill was bad for the American people… but because he didn’t want it sorted before the election! Party before country and he doesn’t deny it! That’ll be his apparently lauded “straight talking” again!
He is ticking the right boxes for the voting public of the US, and I’m going to invest heavily in tissues, I think there will be a run on them post November
I’d love to bet you but I suspect you may be right! Both sides need some fresh blood for POTUS candidates not two characters from Night of the Living Dead!
The thing is on both sides of the Atlantic people have become obsessed with personality whereas true leadership means building a team of people who can and do get things done.
Biden has built a team around him that is getting things done for the United States of America and he has (and will continue) to build and strengthen that team.
Trump built a team of sycophants around him (2016-2020) and many of those same people have since turned on him because of what they saw. Just recently Trump has taken over the Republican Party and ousted people deemed “non-believers” and replaced them with people who only needed one quality - to be MAGA extremists. He would do the same from next year if he gets in again and more and more people are seeing the writing on the whole.
I think it will be a very bad day for an America, a very bad day for the rest of the world and a total catastrophe for Ukraine if Trump wins. I remain hopeful that the American people will do the right thing come November and give Biden a second term.
It wont be a bad day for the US if Trump becomes president, because that is what the majority of Americans would have wanted, surely you must accept that?
He didn’t win the popular vote in 2016 and he didn’t win the popular vote in 2020. Now, there are a sizeable chunk of former Trumpsters who will simply not vote for him again.
Has he found new voters through his tactic of division and whining? Or are the Haley voters now never-Trumpers?
It is down the voting public of the US who they decide to be their next leader, and I for one will respect their vote.
Unlike Donald Trump.
The people have the last say
It's the electoral college, actually dude. If it was the people, Trump would never have got within a hundred yards of the White House.
We shall see where the people put their vote in November...
You don’t get it do you?
He lost the popular vote in 2016 but got in because of electoral college voters.
He lost the popular vote in 2020 and knew gat he had lost the electoral college votes and so tried to set up fake electors to steal the electoral college votes.
"It is not the electorate who create the potus it is the electoral college so no amount of votes will change that, Mr Biden had spent his entire civil life trying to get to that position and now he his in that position he has not got a clue what is going on.  | |||
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"Of course Mr trump had the money for the bond payment, the entrepreneurs of new york are seeing how corrupt the system is towards them with threats of frezzing and selling assets, the appeal will take years before it is heard by which time new york will be a ghost town void of entrepreneurs. By that logic everyone who has never lied on a mortgage application would refuse to ever have another mortgage because one guy who did lie, and was caught, is being punished for his fraudulent activity. Assets are only worth what an investor or bank are going to lend against, a bank or investor will do due diligence in looking into this before lending, and if the bank makes money from it which they did there is no crime or victim. Election interference is what is happening." So anyone should be able to commit mortgage fraud as long as they pay the mortgage off? | |||
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"Of course Mr trump had the money for the bond payment, the entrepreneurs of new york are seeing how corrupt the system is towards them with threats of frezzing and selling assets, the appeal will take years before it is heard by which time new york will be a ghost town void of entrepreneurs. By that logic everyone who has never lied on a mortgage application would refuse to ever have another mortgage because one guy who did lie, and was caught, is being punished for his fraudulent activity. Assets are only worth what an investor or bank are going to lend against, a bank or investor will do due diligence in looking into this before lending, and if the bank makes money from it which they did there is no crime or victim. Election interference is what is happening. So anyone should be able to commit mortgage fraud as long as they pay the mortgage off? " What fraud, Mr trump put assets up for consideration for loans, the banks then look at the assets and risk and act accordingly and counter offer, they did not take his word of the value of the assets they were looked at and an offer was approved which both parties accepted. Banks are banks because they are there to make money. | |||
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"Of course Mr trump had the money for the bond payment, the entrepreneurs of new york are seeing how corrupt the system is towards them with threats of frezzing and selling assets, the appeal will take years before it is heard by which time new york will be a ghost town void of entrepreneurs. By that logic everyone who has never lied on a mortgage application would refuse to ever have another mortgage because one guy who did lie, and was caught, is being punished for his fraudulent activity. Assets are only worth what an investor or bank are going to lend against, a bank or investor will do due diligence in looking into this before lending, and if the bank makes money from it which they did there is no crime or victim. Election interference is what is happening." A judge says your wrong and that's that.... | |||
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"Of course Mr trump had the money for the bond payment, the entrepreneurs of new york are seeing how corrupt the system is towards them with threats of frezzing and selling assets, the appeal will take years before it is heard by which time new york will be a ghost town void of entrepreneurs. By that logic everyone who has never lied on a mortgage application would refuse to ever have another mortgage because one guy who did lie, and was caught, is being punished for his fraudulent activity. Assets are only worth what an investor or bank are going to lend against, a bank or investor will do due diligence in looking into this before lending, and if the bank makes money from it which they did there is no crime or victim. Election interference is what is happening. A judge says your wrong and that's that...." Until the appeal is heard many many years from now the judges decision is not final and could be overturned. | |||
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"Of course Mr trump had the money for the bond payment, the entrepreneurs of new york are seeing how corrupt the system is towards them with threats of frezzing and selling assets, the appeal will take years before it is heard by which time new york will be a ghost town void of entrepreneurs. By that logic everyone who has never lied on a mortgage application would refuse to ever have another mortgage because one guy who did lie, and was caught, is being punished for his fraudulent activity. Assets are only worth what an investor or bank are going to lend against, a bank or investor will do due diligence in looking into this before lending, and if the bank makes money from it which they did there is no crime or victim. Election interference is what is happening. A judge says your wrong and that's that.... Until the appeal is heard many many years from now the judges decision is not final and could be overturned. "He'll hopefully be in jail by then for one of his other crimes | |||
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"Of course Mr trump had the money for the bond payment, the entrepreneurs of new york are seeing how corrupt the system is towards them with threats of frezzing and selling assets, the appeal will take years before it is heard by which time new york will be a ghost town void of entrepreneurs. By that logic everyone who has never lied on a mortgage application would refuse to ever have another mortgage because one guy who did lie, and was caught, is being punished for his fraudulent activity. Assets are only worth what an investor or bank are going to lend against, a bank or investor will do due diligence in looking into this before lending, and if the bank makes money from it which they did there is no crime or victim. Election interference is what is happening. A judge says your wrong and that's that.... Until the appeal is heard many many years from now the judges decision is not final and could be overturned.
He'll hopefully be in jail by then for one of his other crimes "One or two of the Biden family will be incarcerate before that happens. | |||
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"Of course Mr trump had the money for the bond payment, the entrepreneurs of new york are seeing how corrupt the system is towards them with threats of frezzing and selling assets, the appeal will take years before it is heard by which time new york will be a ghost town void of entrepreneurs. By that logic everyone who has never lied on a mortgage application would refuse to ever have another mortgage because one guy who did lie, and was caught, is being punished for his fraudulent activity. Assets are only worth what an investor or bank are going to lend against, a bank or investor will do due diligence in looking into this before lending, and if the bank makes money from it which they did there is no crime or victim. Election interference is what is happening. A judge says your wrong and that's that.... Until the appeal is heard many many years from now the judges decision is not final and could be overturned.
He'll hopefully be in jail by then for one of his other crimes
One or two of the Biden family will be incarcerate before that happens. "On what charges have they been indicted? Last I saw, the embarrassing impeachment enquiry fell somewhat flat on its face. Why are you so supportive of a convicted fraudster and sexual abuser? | |||
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"Of course Mr trump had the money for the bond payment, the entrepreneurs of new york are seeing how corrupt the system is towards them with threats of frezzing and selling assets, the appeal will take years before it is heard by which time new york will be a ghost town void of entrepreneurs. By that logic everyone who has never lied on a mortgage application would refuse to ever have another mortgage because one guy who did lie, and was caught, is being punished for his fraudulent activity. Assets are only worth what an investor or bank are going to lend against, a bank or investor will do due diligence in looking into this before lending, and if the bank makes money from it which they did there is no crime or victim. Election interference is what is happening. A judge says your wrong and that's that.... Until the appeal is heard many many years from now the judges decision is not final and could be overturned.
He'll hopefully be in jail by then for one of his other crimes
One or two of the Biden family will be incarcerate before that happens. "You really have not been paying any attention to the hearings at all have you! When even Fox News and Newsmax are telling house republicans the hearings have been an absolute disaster, embarrassing and they need to just make them all go away, you know it’s been bad…
So to sum it all up…. Every single witness bar one said not links between hunter and his dad… the one witness who they were relying on went on the run, the found out he was being charged with lying to the FBI, then added charges of him spying for the Chinese… meanwhile the rudy associates who talked about the laptop, said it was all a hoax, and he was being used by the Russians to feed disinformation to congresspeople….
Then this weeks hearing democrats were so confident this is falling apart so much, they made the motion to take impeachment out of committee and on the main floor for a vote (republicans are in the majority on the committee so it was basically put up or shut up) and even the republicans wouldn’t
I know buddy is way past help… but for the rest of you … think about this
They have been doing this investigation for 18 months… do you think if they had anything criminal they would have impeached and charged him criminally by now… with a republican majority in the House of Representatives! … I mean, all it would take would be one piece of Republican Party discipline and every republican member to vote for it…
Remember the phrase “high crimes and misdemeanours”
The purpose wasn’t to say trump was innocent, it was to say Biden was as bad as trump!
The more public hearings they have the more of a shambles it’s become… | |||
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"Of course Mr trump had the money for the bond payment, the entrepreneurs of new york are seeing how corrupt the system is towards them with threats of frezzing and selling assets, the appeal will take years before it is heard by which time new york will be a ghost town void of entrepreneurs. By that logic everyone who has never lied on a mortgage application would refuse to ever have another mortgage because one guy who did lie, and was caught, is being punished for his fraudulent activity. Assets are only worth what an investor or bank are going to lend against, a bank or investor will do due diligence in looking into this before lending, and if the bank makes money from it which they did there is no crime or victim. Election interference is what is happening. A judge says your wrong and that's that.... Until the appeal is heard many many years from now the judges decision is not final and could be overturned.
He'll hopefully be in jail by then for one of his other crimes
One or two of the Biden family will be incarcerate before that happens. "Come on Buddy, own up hombré. You are just stiring the pot here, arent you?
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"Of course Mr trump had the money for the bond payment, the entrepreneurs of new york are seeing how corrupt the system is towards them with threats of frezzing and selling assets, the appeal will take years before it is heard by which time new york will be a ghost town void of entrepreneurs. By that logic everyone who has never lied on a mortgage application would refuse to ever have another mortgage because one guy who did lie, and was caught, is being punished for his fraudulent activity. Assets are only worth what an investor or bank are going to lend against, a bank or investor will do due diligence in looking into this before lending, and if the bank makes money from it which they did there is no crime or victim. Election interference is what is happening. A judge says your wrong and that's that.... Until the appeal is heard many many years from now the judges decision is not final and could be overturned.
He'll hopefully be in jail by then for one of his other crimes
One or two of the Biden family will be incarcerate before that happens.
Come on Buddy, own up hombré. You are just stiring the pot here, arent you?
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"Can anyone tell me what Trump actually achieved during his presidency that provides tangible benefits to the American people. I’m not saying he didn’t, I honestly don’t know." Trump did acheive things during his time in office. Whether those things are beneficial are subjective dependant on your own personal leanings. Besides, the President doesn't actually write law or spend money, just as our Prime Minister doesn't | |||
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"Can anyone tell me what Trump actually achieved during his presidency that provides tangible benefits to the American people. I’m not saying he didn’t, I honestly don’t know." The first step act was one he implemented in the first few days of his appointment has potus, which has slowed down since the democrats got into office. | |||
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"Can anyone tell me what Trump actually achieved during his presidency that provides tangible benefits to the American people. I’m not saying he didn’t, I honestly don’t know." He tried to collapse Obamacare for the poorest Americans but cutting funding. But it backfired, and there ended up being more money available and more healthcare for the poorest people. It's a long explanation, you'd have to go and read it. But it's an inadvertent tangible benefit for Americans. | |||
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"Can anyone tell me what Trump actually achieved during his presidency that provides tangible benefits to the American people. I’m not saying he didn’t, I honestly don’t know." Might be the same as here where policies introduced help some in society but not others so I suspect some done well out of him. Not sure if he took overseas military action as much as other presidents but the back and forth tirades with north Korea were interesting. Remember the 'My red button is bigger than yours' | |||
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"Can anyone tell me what Trump actually achieved during his presidency that provides tangible benefits to the American people. I’m not saying he didn’t, I honestly don’t know. Trump did acheive things during his time in office. Whether those things are beneficial are subjective dependant on your own personal leanings. Besides, the President doesn't actually write law or spend money, just as our Prime Minister doesn't " That’s answering a question without actually answering a question….so let’s answer the question He basically gave everyone a 3 trillion dollar tax cut….actually, when I say “everyone” 99% of the benefits of that tax cut went to him and his rich buddies.. when I say “rich” I mean those earning more than 1 million dollars a year! But that’s a good thing for all those rich folks .. yey! Obviously there was a surplus in the budget.. and that tax cut came out of the surplus… right? Well… erm…. No! Tax cut on top of debt! Not fiscally sound (fun titbit for you… you know the say democrats love to spend, and republicans are always clearing up democrats spending issues… well in the last 40 years.. only Obama and Clinton have actually lowered US debt… Obama was neutral, Clinton actually ran a surplus! Trump, bush 2,bush 1, and Reagan as the 4 biggest deficit operators in US history!) Anyway, so what else did trump achieve… well he did put 3 people on SCOTUS.. but that was more a case of 3 justices dying! He took the US out of the Paris climate change agreement…. But since the US actually sets its own target, and there is no actual penalties for not achieving it… I am not sure why he did that! Erm.. other than that… not a great deal! | |||
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"Can anyone tell me what Trump actually achieved during his presidency that provides tangible benefits to the American people. I’m not saying he didn’t, I honestly don’t know. He tried to collapse Obamacare for the poorest Americans but cutting funding. But it backfired, and there ended up being more money available and more healthcare for the poorest people. It's a long explanation, you'd have to go and read it. But it's an inadvertent tangible benefit for Americans. " This is where the word “technically” is going to do a lot of heavy lifting… so let’s try a do it simply… Did trump try to basically gut “Obamacare” ( the Affordable Care Act) from the inside by taking out things that could not be covered…. Yes! Did they then take the case to the then scotus saying because stuff had been taken out it was then unconstitutional… yes! Did they win that argument… no Did they then try to nullify the legislation via congress… yes Did they succeed… no ( by 1 vote.. probably one of the finest acts done by John McCain) Did have a replacement for the affordable care act ready to go…. No (which is why McCain voted against!) Do the republicans and trump have a replacement scheme for the Affordable care act… no (trump keeps telling us he has a solution that is much much better…. But it’s been 3 weeks away from being announced since basically 2015!) The inadvertent benefit… the ACA booster which means if so many people sign on, that states basic healthcare insurers get extra money to help cover those people ….. And who needs to actively this.. the states themselves via the governors of those states via the state legislatures…. So surely.. this helps everyone.. it’s federal money so not coming out of your budgets and it helps the poorest… they have all signed up.. right? Nope…. Whole bunch of ruby red republicans states still refuse to this day to sign up…. | |||
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"Can anyone tell me what Trump actually achieved during his presidency that provides tangible benefits to the American people. I’m not saying he didn’t, I honestly don’t know. He tried to collapse Obamacare for the poorest Americans but cutting funding. But it backfired, and there ended up being more money available and more healthcare for the poorest people. It's a long explanation, you'd have to go and read it. But it's an inadvertent tangible benefit for Americans. This is where the word “technically” is going to do a lot of heavy lifting… so let’s try a do it simply… Did trump try to basically gut “Obamacare” ( the Affordable Care Act) from the inside by taking out things that could not be covered…. Yes! Did they then take the case to the then scotus saying because stuff had been taken out it was then unconstitutional… yes! Did they win that argument… no Did they then try to nullify the legislation via congress… yes Did they succeed… no ( by 1 vote.. probably one of the finest acts done by John McCain) Did have a replacement for the affordable care act ready to go…. No (which is why McCain voted against!) Do the republicans and trump have a replacement scheme for the Affordable care act… no (trump keeps telling us he has a solution that is much much better…. But it’s been 3 weeks away from being announced since basically 2015!) The inadvertent benefit… the ACA booster which means if so many people sign on, that states basic healthcare insurers get extra money to help cover those people ….. And who needs to actively this.. the states themselves via the governors of those states via the state legislatures…. So surely.. this helps everyone.. it’s federal money so not coming out of your budgets and it helps the poorest… they have all signed up.. right? Nope…. Whole bunch of ruby red republicans states still refuse to this day to sign up…. " Yeah it's a very round about benefit that came from Trump. Despite his best efforts to remove healthcare from millions of the poorest Americans. | |||
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"Can anyone tell me what Trump actually achieved during his presidency that provides tangible benefits to the American people. I’m not saying he didn’t, I honestly don’t know. Trump did acheive things during his time in office. Whether those things are beneficial are subjective dependant on your own personal leanings. Besides, the President doesn't actually write law or spend money, just as our Prime Minister doesn't " Not sure how to react to the last paragraph. Like erm yeah thanks for mansplaining that Feisty mate, but you know I am smart enough to not need that right? | |||
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"the democrats have a long history, discrimination, defended s lavery started the civil war founded the kkk, imposed segregation, lynchings fought against the civil rights initiatives of the 1950 60s, and the stench has not changed, in contrast to the 'GOP' republicans, who fought fight against everything the democrats stood and still stand for." But what did Trump achieve? | |||
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"the democrats have a long history, discrimination, defended s lavery started the civil war founded the kkk, imposed segregation, lynchings fought against the civil rights initiatives of the 1950 60s, and the stench has not changed, in contrast to the 'GOP' republicans, who fought fight against everything the democrats stood and still stand for. But what did Trump achieve?" Removed everything the dems put in place, the fight is still on going. | |||
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"the democrats have a long history, discrimination, defended s lavery started the civil war founded the kkk, imposed segregation, lynchings fought against the civil rights initiatives of the 1950 60s, and the stench has not changed, in contrast to the 'GOP' republicans, who fought fight against everything the democrats stood and still stand for. But what did Trump achieve? Removed everything the dems put in place, the fight is still on going. "Can you actually list anything? What you are saying seems to contradict what Fabio has said. | |||
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"the democrats have a long history, discrimination, defended s lavery started the civil war founded the kkk, imposed segregation, lynchings fought against the civil rights initiatives of the 1950 60s, and the stench has not changed, in contrast to the 'GOP' republicans, who fought fight against everything the democrats stood and still stand for. But what did Trump achieve? Removed everything the dems put in place, the fight is still on going.
Can you actually list anything? What you are saying seems to contradict what Fabio has said."The first step act previously posted. Who cares what Fabio says, the truth will set you free. | |||
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"the democrats have a long history, discrimination, defended s lavery started the civil war founded the kkk, imposed segregation, lynchings fought against the civil rights initiatives of the 1950 60s, and the stench has not changed, in contrast to the 'GOP' republicans, who fought fight against everything the democrats stood and still stand for. But what did Trump achieve? Removed everything the dems put in place, the fight is still on going.
Can you actually list anything? What you are saying seems to contradict what Fabio has said.
The first step act previously posted.
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"Of course Mr trump had the money for the bond payment, the entrepreneurs of new york are seeing how corrupt the system is towards them with threats of frezzing and selling assets, the appeal will take years before it is heard by which time new york will be a ghost town void of entrepreneurs. By that logic everyone who has never lied on a mortgage application would refuse to ever have another mortgage because one guy who did lie, and was caught, is being punished for his fraudulent activity. Assets are only worth what an investor or bank are going to lend against, a bank or investor will do due diligence in looking into this before lending, and if the bank makes money from it which they did there is no crime or victim. Election interference is what is happening. A judge says your wrong and that's that.... Until the appeal is heard many many years from now the judges decision is not final and could be overturned.
He'll hopefully be in jail by then for one of his other crimes
One or two of the Biden family will be incarcerate before that happens.
Come on Buddy, own up hombré. You are just stiring the pot here, arent you?
You cannot be mad enough to really believe the pro-Trump, anti Biden propaganda?
You cannot be mad enough to really believe the pro-biden, anti trump propaganda?.
"You don't have to believe the propaganda. You just open your eyes and see two tired old men, one who lets educated people do a pretty good job of running the country and another obnoxious spiteful old git that must embarrass every US citizen on a daily basis and of course Putin has his hand inside the puppet. Surely out of 300+ million people there has to be a better option.... | |||
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"Of course Mr trump had the money for the bond payment, the entrepreneurs of new york are seeing how corrupt the system is towards them with threats of frezzing and selling assets, the appeal will take years before it is heard by which time new york will be a ghost town void of entrepreneurs. By that logic everyone who has never lied on a mortgage application would refuse to ever have another mortgage because one guy who did lie, and was caught, is being punished for his fraudulent activity. Assets are only worth what an investor or bank are going to lend against, a bank or investor will do due diligence in looking into this before lending, and if the bank makes money from it which they did there is no crime or victim. Election interference is what is happening. A judge says your wrong and that's that.... Until the appeal is heard many many years from now the judges decision is not final and could be overturned.
He'll hopefully be in jail by then for one of his other crimes
One or two of the Biden family will be incarcerate before that happens.
Come on Buddy, own up hombré. You are just stiring the pot here, arent you?
You cannot be mad enough to really believe the pro-Trump, anti Biden propaganda?
You cannot be mad enough to really believe the pro-biden, anti trump propaganda?.
You don't have to believe the propaganda.
You just open your eyes and see two tired old men, one who lets educated people do a pretty good job of running the country and another obnoxious spiteful old git that must embarrass every US citizen on a daily basis and of course Putin has his hand inside the puppet.
Surely out of 300+ million people there has to be a better option...."Apparently not! Only Dum or Dummerer! | |||
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"Can anyone tell me what Trump actually achieved during his presidency that provides tangible benefits to the American people. I’m not saying he didn’t, I honestly don’t know. Trump did acheive things during his time in office. Whether those things are beneficial are subjective dependant on your own personal leanings. Besides, the President doesn't actually write law or spend money, just as our Prime Minister doesn't Not sure how to react to the last paragraph. Like erm yeah thanks for mansplaining that Feisty mate, but you know I am smart enough to not need that right? "If you ask stupid questions you may well just get stupid answers | |||
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"the democrats have a long history, discrimination, defended s lavery started the civil war founded the kkk, imposed segregation, lynchings fought against the civil rights initiatives of the 1950 60s, and the stench has not changed, in contrast to the 'GOP' republicans, who fought fight against everything the democrats stood and still stand for." The white knights of the US? | |||
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"the democrats have a long history, discrimination, defended s lavery started the civil war founded the kkk, imposed segregation, lynchings fought against the civil rights initiatives of the 1950 60s, and the stench has not changed, in contrast to the 'GOP' republicans, who fought fight against everything the democrats stood and still stand for." Oh dear. The Democrats and Republicans switched positions in the 1930s after Roosevelt's New Deal coalition and policies (the Republicans regarded the policies as "socialism") - it was the Democrats who began to institute civil rights laws to remove segregation, and then signed a number of other civil rights, social welfare and labour laws into existence in the 50s and 60s, via Truman, Kennedy and Johnson. They moved even further left in the 70s and 80s, as the Republicans moved further right... ...your statement is misleading, in parts incorrect, and the holes are glaring - to be frank, you COULD have checked what was what for yourself, but I suspect I know why you wouldn't/didn't. | |||
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"Can anyone tell me what Trump actually achieved during his presidency that provides tangible benefits to the American people. I’m not saying he didn’t, I honestly don’t know. Trump did acheive things during his time in office. Whether those things are beneficial are subjective dependant on your own personal leanings. Besides, the President doesn't actually write law or spend money, just as our Prime Minister doesn't Not sure how to react to the last paragraph. Like erm yeah thanks for mansplaining that Feisty mate, but you know I am smart enough to not need that right?
If you ask stupid questions you may well just get stupid answers "Why was asking what Trump achieved a stupid question? Unless you are saying he didn’t achieve anything therefore it is stupid to ask, which in turn must mean anyone who supports him as a good candidate for POTUS must also be stupid as he lacks any track record of achieving anything! Is that what you are saying? | |||
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"Can anyone tell me what Trump actually achieved during his presidency that provides tangible benefits to the American people. I’m not saying he didn’t, I honestly don’t know. Trump did acheive things during his time in office. Whether those things are beneficial are subjective dependant on your own personal leanings. Besides, the President doesn't actually write law or spend money, just as our Prime Minister doesn't Not sure how to react to the last paragraph. Like erm yeah thanks for mansplaining that Feisty mate, but you know I am smart enough to not need that right?
If you ask stupid questions you may well just get stupid answers
Why was asking what Trump achieved a stupid question? Unless you are saying he didn’t achieve anything therefore it is stupid to ask, which in turn must mean anyone who supports him as a good candidate for POTUS must also be stupid as he lacks any track record of achieving anything! Is that what you are saying?"I'm saying asking what a singular person within an organisation has achieved is stupid. You know as well as I do that a singular person cannot acheive anything. That's Biden, Trump, Obama, Bush etc etc. If you really did want to know 'an' answer to your question, you could've researched. | |||
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"the democrats have a long history, discrimination, defended s lavery started the civil war founded the kkk, imposed segregation, lynchings fought against the civil rights initiatives of the 1950 60s, and the stench has not changed, in contrast to the 'GOP' republicans, who fought fight against everything the democrats stood and still stand for. Oh dear. The Democrats and Republicans switched positions in the 1930s after Roosevelt's New Deal coalition and policies (the Republicans regarded the policies as "socialism") - it was the Democrats who began to institute civil rights laws to remove segregation, and then signed a number of other civil rights, social welfare and labour laws into existence in the 50s and 60s, via Truman, Kennedy and Johnson. They moved even further left in the 70s and 80s, as the Republicans moved further right... ...your statement is misleading, in parts incorrect, and the holes are glaring - to be frank, you COULD have checked what was what for yourself, but I suspect I know why you wouldn't/didn't. " But their history is there, including Mr Biden's unsavoury attitude towards none whites. | |||
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"the democrats have a long history, discrimination, defended s lavery started the civil war founded the kkk, imposed segregation, lynchings fought against the civil rights initiatives of the 1950 60s, and the stench has not changed, in contrast to the 'GOP' republicans, who fought fight against everything the democrats stood and still stand for. Oh dear. The Democrats and Republicans switched positions in the 1930s after Roosevelt's New Deal coalition and policies (the Republicans regarded the policies as "socialism") - it was the Democrats who began to institute civil rights laws to remove segregation, and then signed a number of other civil rights, social welfare and labour laws into existence in the 50s and 60s, via Truman, Kennedy and Johnson. They moved even further left in the 70s and 80s, as the Republicans moved further right... ...your statement is misleading, in parts incorrect, and the holes are glaring - to be frank, you COULD have checked what was what for yourself, but I suspect I know why you wouldn't/didn't. But their history is there, including Mr Biden's unsavoury attitude towards none whites." ...and the Republicans are better? Have a word with yourself...you know damn well the two sides have switched positions, but you'll still defend the GOP and the Orange Twat, complete with all of his & their "unsavoury attitudes"... | |||
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"the democrats have a long history, discrimination, defended s lavery started the civil war founded the kkk, imposed segregation, lynchings fought against the civil rights initiatives of the 1950 60s, and the stench has not changed, in contrast to the 'GOP' republicans, who fought fight against everything the democrats stood and still stand for. Oh dear. The Democrats and Republicans switched positions in the 1930s after Roosevelt's New Deal coalition and policies (the Republicans regarded the policies as "socialism") - it was the Democrats who began to institute civil rights laws to remove segregation, and then signed a number of other civil rights, social welfare and labour laws into existence in the 50s and 60s, via Truman, Kennedy and Johnson. They moved even further left in the 70s and 80s, as the Republicans moved further right... ...your statement is misleading, in parts incorrect, and the holes are glaring - to be frank, you COULD have checked what was what for yourself, but I suspect I know why you wouldn't/didn't. But their history is there, including Mr Biden's unsavoury attitude towards none whites." Do you have an example of this? Biden is a bad president. But you're on a losing battle if you're trying to make Trump look less shit by comparing attributes with Biden. Trump "Mexicans... they're r4pists". | |||
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"the democrats have a long history, discrimination, defended s lavery started the civil war founded the kkk, imposed segregation, lynchings fought against the civil rights initiatives of the 1950 60s, and the stench has not changed, in contrast to the 'GOP' republicans, who fought fight against everything the democrats stood and still stand for. Oh dear. The Democrats and Republicans switched positions in the 1930s after Roosevelt's New Deal coalition and policies (the Republicans regarded the policies as "socialism") - it was the Democrats who began to institute civil rights laws to remove segregation, and then signed a number of other civil rights, social welfare and labour laws into existence in the 50s and 60s, via Truman, Kennedy and Johnson. They moved even further left in the 70s and 80s, as the Republicans moved further right... ...your statement is misleading, in parts incorrect, and the holes are glaring - to be frank, you COULD have checked what was what for yourself, but I suspect I know why you wouldn't/didn't. But their history is there, including Mr Biden's unsavoury attitude towards none whites. Do you have an example of this? Biden is a bad president. But you're on a losing battle if you're trying to make Trump look less shit by comparing attributes with Biden. Trump "Mexicans... they're r4pists"." Actions do more than words. | |||
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"the democrats have a long history, discrimination, defended s lavery started the civil war founded the kkk, imposed segregation, lynchings fought against the civil rights initiatives of the 1950 60s, and the stench has not changed, in contrast to the 'GOP' republicans, who fought fight against everything the democrats stood and still stand for. Oh dear. The Democrats and Republicans switched positions in the 1930s after Roosevelt's New Deal coalition and policies (the Republicans regarded the policies as "socialism") - it was the Democrats who began to institute civil rights laws to remove segregation, and then signed a number of other civil rights, social welfare and labour laws into existence in the 50s and 60s, via Truman, Kennedy and Johnson. They moved even further left in the 70s and 80s, as the Republicans moved further right... ...your statement is misleading, in parts incorrect, and the holes are glaring - to be frank, you COULD have checked what was what for yourself, but I suspect I know why you wouldn't/didn't. But their history is there, including Mr Biden's unsavoury attitude towards none whites." BBBBB* because he is the original “b friend” (those who know just know) *Buddy Boldly Bullshits But Badly | |||
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"the democrats have a long history, discrimination, defended s lavery started the civil war founded the kkk, imposed segregation, lynchings fought against the civil rights initiatives of the 1950 60s, and the stench has not changed, in contrast to the 'GOP' republicans, who fought fight against everything the democrats stood and still stand for. Oh dear. The Democrats and Republicans switched positions in the 1930s after Roosevelt's New Deal coalition and policies (the Republicans regarded the policies as "socialism") - it was the Democrats who began to institute civil rights laws to remove segregation, and then signed a number of other civil rights, social welfare and labour laws into existence in the 50s and 60s, via Truman, Kennedy and Johnson. They moved even further left in the 70s and 80s, as the Republicans moved further right... ...your statement is misleading, in parts incorrect, and the holes are glaring - to be frank, you COULD have checked what was what for yourself, but I suspect I know why you wouldn't/didn't. But their history is there, including Mr Biden's unsavoury attitude towards none whites. BBBBB* because he is the original “b friend” (those who know just know) *Buddy Boldly Bullshits But Badly " Bless. And you was doing so well, you and these pet names you make up. | |||
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"the democrats have a long history, discrimination, defended s lavery started the civil war founded the kkk, imposed segregation, lynchings fought against the civil rights initiatives of the 1950 60s, and the stench has not changed, in contrast to the 'GOP' republicans, who fought fight against everything the democrats stood and still stand for. Oh dear. The Democrats and Republicans switched positions in the 1930s after Roosevelt's New Deal coalition and policies (the Republicans regarded the policies as "socialism") - it was the Democrats who began to institute civil rights laws to remove segregation, and then signed a number of other civil rights, social welfare and labour laws into existence in the 50s and 60s, via Truman, Kennedy and Johnson. They moved even further left in the 70s and 80s, as the Republicans moved further right... ...your statement is misleading, in parts incorrect, and the holes are glaring - to be frank, you COULD have checked what was what for yourself, but I suspect I know why you wouldn't/didn't. But their history is there, including Mr Biden's unsavoury attitude towards none whites. BBBBB* because he is the original “b friend” (those who know just know) *Buddy Boldly Bullshits But Badly Bless. And you was doing so well, you and these pet names you make up. "“Bless” another “B” you’re on fire. Bloody Buoyant Buddy Boldly Bullshits But Badly Beyond Being Blessed By Biden | |||
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"the democrats have a long history, discrimination, defended s lavery started the civil war founded the kkk, imposed segregation, lynchings fought against the civil rights initiatives of the 1950 60s, and the stench has not changed, in contrast to the 'GOP' republicans, who fought fight against everything the democrats stood and still stand for. Oh dear. The Democrats and Republicans switched positions in the 1930s after Roosevelt's New Deal coalition and policies (the Republicans regarded the policies as "socialism") - it was the Democrats who began to institute civil rights laws to remove segregation, and then signed a number of other civil rights, social welfare and labour laws into existence in the 50s and 60s, via Truman, Kennedy and Johnson. They moved even further left in the 70s and 80s, as the Republicans moved further right... ...your statement is misleading, in parts incorrect, and the holes are glaring - to be frank, you COULD have checked what was what for yourself, but I suspect I know why you wouldn't/didn't. But their history is there, including Mr Biden's unsavoury attitude towards none whites. Do you have an example of this? Biden is a bad president. But you're on a losing battle if you're trying to make Trump look less shit by comparing attributes with Biden. Trump "Mexicans... they're r4pists". Actions do more than words." As a world leader, I'm not sure that applies. But sure, do you have an example of one of the actions? | |||
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"the democrats have a long history, discrimination, defended s lavery started the civil war founded the kkk, imposed segregation, lynchings fought against the civil rights initiatives of the 1950 60s, and the stench has not changed, in contrast to the 'GOP' republicans, who fought fight against everything the democrats stood and still stand for. Oh dear. The Democrats and Republicans switched positions in the 1930s after Roosevelt's New Deal coalition and policies (the Republicans regarded the policies as "socialism") - it was the Democrats who began to institute civil rights laws to remove segregation, and then signed a number of other civil rights, social welfare and labour laws into existence in the 50s and 60s, via Truman, Kennedy and Johnson. They moved even further left in the 70s and 80s, as the Republicans moved further right... ...your statement is misleading, in parts incorrect, and the holes are glaring - to be frank, you COULD have checked what was what for yourself, but I suspect I know why you wouldn't/didn't. But their history is there, including Mr Biden's unsavoury attitude towards none whites. BBBBB* because he is the original “b friend” (those who know just know) *Buddy Boldly Bullshits But Badly Bless. And you was doing so well, you and these pet names you make up.
“Bless” another “B” you’re on fire.
Bloody Buoyant Buddy Boldly Bullshits But Badly Beyond Being Blessed By Biden
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"the democrats have a long history, discrimination, defended s lavery started the civil war founded the kkk, imposed segregation, lynchings fought against the civil rights initiatives of the 1950 60s, and the stench has not changed, in contrast to the 'GOP' republicans, who fought fight against everything the democrats stood and still stand for. Oh dear. The Democrats and Republicans switched positions in the 1930s after Roosevelt's New Deal coalition and policies (the Republicans regarded the policies as "socialism") - it was the Democrats who began to institute civil rights laws to remove segregation, and then signed a number of other civil rights, social welfare and labour laws into existence in the 50s and 60s, via Truman, Kennedy and Johnson. They moved even further left in the 70s and 80s, as the Republicans moved further right... ...your statement is misleading, in parts incorrect, and the holes are glaring - to be frank, you COULD have checked what was what for yourself, but I suspect I know why you wouldn't/didn't. But their history is there, including Mr Biden's unsavoury attitude towards none whites. BBBBB* because he is the original “b friend” (those who know just know) *Buddy Boldly Bullshits But Badly Bless. And you was doing so well, you and these pet names you make up.
“Bless” another “B” you’re on fire.
Bloody Buoyant Buddy Boldly Bullshits But Badly Beyond Being Blessed By Biden
I have got to say it, sticks and stones. "Break Bones = great set up with more “B” nuce one | |||
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"the democrats have a long history, discrimination, defended s lavery started the civil war founded the kkk, imposed segregation, lynchings fought against the civil rights initiatives of the 1950 60s, and the stench has not changed, in contrast to the 'GOP' republicans, who fought fight against everything the democrats stood and still stand for. Oh dear. The Democrats and Republicans switched positions in the 1930s after Roosevelt's New Deal coalition and policies (the Republicans regarded the policies as "socialism") - it was the Democrats who began to institute civil rights laws to remove segregation, and then signed a number of other civil rights, social welfare and labour laws into existence in the 50s and 60s, via Truman, Kennedy and Johnson. They moved even further left in the 70s and 80s, as the Republicans moved further right... ...your statement is misleading, in parts incorrect, and the holes are glaring - to be frank, you COULD have checked what was what for yourself, but I suspect I know why you wouldn't/didn't. But their history is there, including Mr Biden's unsavoury attitude towards none whites. BBBBB* because he is the original “b friend” (those who know just know) *Buddy Boldly Bullshits But Badly Bless. And you was doing so well, you and these pet names you make up.
“Bless” another “B” you’re on fire.
Bloody Buoyant Buddy Boldly Bullshits But Badly Beyond Being Blessed By Biden
I have got to say it, sticks and stones.
Break Bones = great set up with more “B” nuce one "You need to loose the apron string my child. | |||
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"the democrats have a long history, discrimination, defended s lavery started the civil war founded the kkk, imposed segregation, lynchings fought against the civil rights initiatives of the 1950 60s, and the stench has not changed, in contrast to the 'GOP' republicans, who fought fight against everything the democrats stood and still stand for. Oh dear. The Democrats and Republicans switched positions in the 1930s after Roosevelt's New Deal coalition and policies (the Republicans regarded the policies as "socialism") - it was the Democrats who began to institute civil rights laws to remove segregation, and then signed a number of other civil rights, social welfare and labour laws into existence in the 50s and 60s, via Truman, Kennedy and Johnson. They moved even further left in the 70s and 80s, as the Republicans moved further right... ...your statement is misleading, in parts incorrect, and the holes are glaring - to be frank, you COULD have checked what was what for yourself, but I suspect I know why you wouldn't/didn't. But their history is there, including Mr Biden's unsavoury attitude towards none whites. BBBBB* because he is the original “b friend” (those who know just know) *Buddy Boldly Bullshits But Badly Bless. And you was doing so well, you and these pet names you make up.
“Bless” another “B” you’re on fire.
Bloody Buoyant Buddy Boldly Bullshits But Badly Beyond Being Blessed By Biden
I have got to say it, sticks and stones.
Break Bones = great set up with more “B” nuce one
You need to loose the apron string my child. "Bad Boy Breaks Bad Behaviours! | |||
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"the democrats have a long history, discrimination, defended s lavery started the civil war founded the kkk, imposed segregation, lynchings fought against the civil rights initiatives of the 1950 60s, and the stench has not changed, in contrast to the 'GOP' republicans, who fought fight against everything the democrats stood and still stand for. Oh dear. The Democrats and Republicans switched positions in the 1930s after Roosevelt's New Deal coalition and policies (the Republicans regarded the policies as "socialism") - it was the Democrats who began to institute civil rights laws to remove segregation, and then signed a number of other civil rights, social welfare and labour laws into existence in the 50s and 60s, via Truman, Kennedy and Johnson. They moved even further left in the 70s and 80s, as the Republicans moved further right... ...your statement is misleading, in parts incorrect, and the holes are glaring - to be frank, you COULD have checked what was what for yourself, but I suspect I know why you wouldn't/didn't. But their history is there, including Mr Biden's unsavoury attitude towards none whites. BBBBB* because he is the original “b friend” (those who know just know) *Buddy Boldly Bullshits But Badly Bless. And you was doing so well, you and these pet names you make up.
“Bless” another “B” you’re on fire.
Bloody Buoyant Buddy Boldly Bullshits But Badly Beyond Being Blessed By Biden
I have got to say it, sticks and stones.
Break Bones = great set up with more “B” nuce one
You need to loose the apron string my child.
Bad Boy Breaks Bad Behaviours!"Petulant as well. | |||
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"the democrats have a long history, discrimination, defended s lavery started the civil war founded the kkk, imposed segregation, lynchings fought against the civil rights initiatives of the 1950 60s, and the stench has not changed, in contrast to the 'GOP' republicans, who fought fight against everything the democrats stood and still stand for. Oh dear. The Democrats and Republicans switched positions in the 1930s after Roosevelt's New Deal coalition and policies (the Republicans regarded the policies as "socialism") - it was the Democrats who began to institute civil rights laws to remove segregation, and then signed a number of other civil rights, social welfare and labour laws into existence in the 50s and 60s, via Truman, Kennedy and Johnson. They moved even further left in the 70s and 80s, as the Republicans moved further right... ...your statement is misleading, in parts incorrect, and the holes are glaring - to be frank, you COULD have checked what was what for yourself, but I suspect I know why you wouldn't/didn't. But their history is there, including Mr Biden's unsavoury attitude towards none whites. BBBBB* because he is the original “b friend” (those who know just know) *Buddy Boldly Bullshits But Badly Bless. And you was doing so well, you and these pet names you make up.
“Bless” another “B” you’re on fire.
Bloody Buoyant Buddy Boldly Bullshits But Badly Beyond Being Blessed By Biden
I have got to say it, sticks and stones.
Break Bones = great set up with more “B” nuce one
You need to loose the apron string my child.
Bad Boy Breaks Bad Behaviours!
Petulant as well."Bad-tempered only kinda works if we accept hyphens? | |||
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"Can anyone tell me what Trump actually achieved during his presidency that provides tangible benefits to the American people. I’m not saying he didn’t, I honestly don’t know. Trump did acheive things during his time in office. Whether those things are beneficial are subjective dependant on your own personal leanings. Besides, the President doesn't actually write law or spend money, just as our Prime Minister doesn't Not sure how to react to the last paragraph. Like erm yeah thanks for mansplaining that Feisty mate, but you know I am smart enough to not need that right?
If you ask stupid questions you may well just get stupid answers
Why was asking what Trump achieved a stupid question? Unless you are saying he didn’t achieve anything therefore it is stupid to ask, which in turn must mean anyone who supports him as a good candidate for POTUS must also be stupid as he lacks any track record of achieving anything! Is that what you are saying?
I'm saying asking what a singular person within an organisation has achieved is stupid. You know as well as I do that a singular person cannot acheive anything. That's Biden, Trump, Obama, Bush etc etc.
If you really did want to know 'an' answer to your question, you could've researched. "Again.. that’s really an answer without giving an answer… sounds good says no much… See… here is the thing…. As president trump is the default leader of the Republican Party… In 2016 when he took office… the republicans also had a majority in the senate AND a majority in the house They held all the levers of power from November 2016 till the midterms in 2018…. They within reason could have passed major legislation They decided the most important thing for them was to expend all this political capital they had to in effect pile new debt upon outstanding debt by giving his buddies a 3 trillion dollar tax cut…… That was the keystone legislation when in effect they had all the power and democrats has none! Everything else is really mood music.. he tried to take away healthcare from the poorest, tried to roll back on environmental protection including that Paris climate change agreement, named 3 new SCOTUS judges because 3 died…. You could make an argument that politically Mitch McConnell was the person pulling most of the strings, and that is why trump dispises him! | |||
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"the democrats have a long history, discrimination, defended s lavery started the civil war founded the kkk, imposed segregation, lynchings fought against the civil rights initiatives of the 1950 60s, and the stench has not changed, in contrast to the 'GOP' republicans, who fought fight against everything the democrats stood and still stand for. But what did Trump achieve? Removed everything the dems put in place, the fight is still on going.
Can you actually list anything? What you are saying seems to contradict what Fabio has said.
The first step act previously posted.
Who cares what Fabio says, the truth will set you free.
John 8:31 32.
"Quoting scripture now… how fancy… Not that it’s shows much…. I think it’s called question avoidance…. I thinking it’s interesting that you quote the bible, when mr trump when after having his troops clear protesters in Washington for a church photo op , held his bible upside down! | |||
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"Can anyone tell me what Trump actually achieved during his presidency that provides tangible benefits to the American people. I’m not saying he didn’t, I honestly don’t know. Trump did acheive things during his time in office. Whether those things are beneficial are subjective dependant on your own personal leanings. Besides, the President doesn't actually write law or spend money, just as our Prime Minister doesn't Not sure how to react to the last paragraph. Like erm yeah thanks for mansplaining that Feisty mate, but you know I am smart enough to not need that right?
If you ask stupid questions you may well just get stupid answers
Why was asking what Trump achieved a stupid question? Unless you are saying he didn’t achieve anything therefore it is stupid to ask, which in turn must mean anyone who supports him as a good candidate for POTUS must also be stupid as he lacks any track record of achieving anything! Is that what you are saying?
I'm saying asking what a singular person within an organisation has achieved is stupid. You know as well as I do that a singular person cannot acheive anything. That's Biden, Trump, Obama, Bush etc etc.
If you really did want to know 'an' answer to your question, you could've researched.
Again.. that’s really an answer without giving an answer… sounds good says no much…
See… here is the thing….
As president trump is the default leader of the Republican Party…
In 2016 when he took office… the republicans also had a majority in the senate AND a majority in the house
They held all the levers of power from November 2016 till the midterms in 2018…. They within reason could have passed major legislation
They decided the most important thing for them was to expend all this political capital they had to in effect pile new debt upon outstanding debt by giving his buddies a 3 trillion dollar tax cut……
That was the keystone legislation when in effect they had all the power and democrats has none!
Everything else is really mood music.. he tried to take away healthcare from the poorest, tried to roll back on environmental protection including that Paris climate change agreement, named 3 new SCOTUS judges because 3 died….
You could make an argument that politically Mitch McConnell was the person pulling most of the strings, and that is why trump dispises him! "Answers without answers ay? It's the truth Fabio, you know that as well as I do. | |||
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"the democrats have a long history, discrimination, defended s lavery started the civil war founded the kkk, imposed segregation, lynchings fought against the civil rights initiatives of the 1950 60s, and the stench has not changed, in contrast to the 'GOP' republicans, who fought fight against everything the democrats stood and still stand for. But what did Trump achieve? Removed everything the dems put in place, the fight is still on going.
Can you actually list anything? What you are saying seems to contradict what Fabio has said.
The first step act previously posted.
Who cares what Fabio says, the truth will set you free.
John 8:31 32.
Quoting scripture now… how fancy…
Not that it’s shows much…. I think it’s called question avoidance….
I thinking it’s interesting that you quote the bible, when mr trump when after having his troops clear protesters in Washington for a church photo op , held his bible upside down! "answered the question posted, no avoidance, but no response from the poster of my answer I gave twice to the question. Talk about avoidance not on my behalf. | |||
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"the democrats have a long history, discrimination, defended s lavery started the civil war founded the kkk, imposed segregation, lynchings fought against the civil rights initiatives of the 1950 60s, and the stench has not changed, in contrast to the 'GOP' republicans, who fought fight against everything the democrats stood and still stand for. But what did Trump achieve? Removed everything the dems put in place, the fight is still on going.
Can you actually list anything? What you are saying seems to contradict what Fabio has said.
The first step act previously posted.
Who cares what Fabio says, the truth will set you free.
John 8:31 32.
Quoting scripture now… how fancy…
Not that it’s shows much…. I think it’s called question avoidance….
I thinking it’s interesting that you quote the bible, when mr trump when after having his troops clear protesters in Washington for a church photo op , held his bible upside down!
answered the question posted, no avoidance, but no response from the poster of my answer I gave twice to the question. Talk about avoidance not on my behalf."Avoidance or having a life away from the forums and away from Fab perhaps? Saying that your nonsensical answer didn’t really warrant a response and was frankly confusing and I don’t care for riddles. If all you can come up with is undid what the others did, then that doesn’t really amount to a hill of beans. | |||
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"Can anyone tell me what Trump actually achieved during his presidency that provides tangible benefits to the American people. I’m not saying he didn’t, I honestly don’t know. Trump did acheive things during his time in office. Whether those things are beneficial are subjective dependant on your own personal leanings. Besides, the President doesn't actually write law or spend money, just as our Prime Minister doesn't Not sure how to react to the last paragraph. Like erm yeah thanks for mansplaining that Feisty mate, but you know I am smart enough to not need that right?
If you ask stupid questions you may well just get stupid answers
Why was asking what Trump achieved a stupid question? Unless you are saying he didn’t achieve anything therefore it is stupid to ask, which in turn must mean anyone who supports him as a good candidate for POTUS must also be stupid as he lacks any track record of achieving anything! Is that what you are saying?
I'm saying asking what a singular person within an organisation has achieved is stupid. You know as well as I do that a singular person cannot acheive anything. That's Biden, Trump, Obama, Bush etc etc.
If you really did want to know 'an' answer to your question, you could've researched.
Again.. that’s really an answer without giving an answer… sounds good says no much…
See… here is the thing….
As president trump is the default leader of the Republican Party…
In 2016 when he took office… the republicans also had a majority in the senate AND a majority in the house
They held all the levers of power from November 2016 till the midterms in 2018…. They within reason could have passed major legislation
They decided the most important thing for them was to expend all this political capital they had to in effect pile new debt upon outstanding debt by giving his buddies a 3 trillion dollar tax cut……
That was the keystone legislation when in effect they had all the power and democrats has none!
Everything else is really mood music.. he tried to take away healthcare from the poorest, tried to roll back on environmental protection including that Paris climate change agreement, named 3 new SCOTUS judges because 3 died….
You could make an argument that politically Mitch McConnell was the person pulling most of the strings, and that is why trump dispises him!
Answers without answers ay?
It's the truth Fabio, you know that as well as I do. "But Feisty you’ve missed the point. I don’t want to research it. I want to know what his (apparent if not trolling) supporters think Trump achieved. To get some insight into their thinking. Not what some political commentators claim etc | |||
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"Can anyone tell me what Trump actually achieved during his presidency that provides tangible benefits to the American people. I’m not saying he didn’t, I honestly don’t know. Trump did acheive things during his time in office. Whether those things are beneficial are subjective dependant on your own personal leanings. Besides, the President doesn't actually write law or spend money, just as our Prime Minister doesn't Not sure how to react to the last paragraph. Like erm yeah thanks for mansplaining that Feisty mate, but you know I am smart enough to not need that right?
If you ask stupid questions you may well just get stupid answers
Why was asking what Trump achieved a stupid question? Unless you are saying he didn’t achieve anything therefore it is stupid to ask, which in turn must mean anyone who supports him as a good candidate for POTUS must also be stupid as he lacks any track record of achieving anything! Is that what you are saying?
I'm saying asking what a singular person within an organisation has achieved is stupid. You know as well as I do that a singular person cannot acheive anything. That's Biden, Trump, Obama, Bush etc etc.
If you really did want to know 'an' answer to your question, you could've researched.
Again.. that’s really an answer without giving an answer… sounds good says no much…
See… here is the thing….
As president trump is the default leader of the Republican Party…
In 2016 when he took office… the republicans also had a majority in the senate AND a majority in the house
They held all the levers of power from November 2016 till the midterms in 2018…. They within reason could have passed major legislation
They decided the most important thing for them was to expend all this political capital they had to in effect pile new debt upon outstanding debt by giving his buddies a 3 trillion dollar tax cut……
That was the keystone legislation when in effect they had all the power and democrats has none!
Everything else is really mood music.. he tried to take away healthcare from the poorest, tried to roll back on environmental protection including that Paris climate change agreement, named 3 new SCOTUS judges because 3 died….
You could make an argument that politically Mitch McConnell was the person pulling most of the strings, and that is why trump dispises him!
Answers without answers ay?
It's the truth Fabio, you know that as well as I do.
But Feisty you’ve missed the point. I don’t want to research it. I want to know what his (apparent if not trolling) supporters think Trump achieved. To get some insight into their thinking. Not what some political commentators claim etc"I could believe that if you didn't thank Fabio and then debate with someone who disagreed with him. Fabio is probably the most informed when it comes to American politics on this forum but he's also a Dem supporter, so a bit biased, wouldn't you say? | |||
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"Can anyone tell me what Trump actually achieved during his presidency that provides tangible benefits to the American people. I’m not saying he didn’t, I honestly don’t know. Trump did acheive things during his time in office. Whether those things are beneficial are subjective dependant on your own personal leanings. Besides, the President doesn't actually write law or spend money, just as our Prime Minister doesn't Not sure how to react to the last paragraph. Like erm yeah thanks for mansplaining that Feisty mate, but you know I am smart enough to not need that right?
If you ask stupid questions you may well just get stupid answers
Why was asking what Trump achieved a stupid question? Unless you are saying he didn’t achieve anything therefore it is stupid to ask, which in turn must mean anyone who supports him as a good candidate for POTUS must also be stupid as he lacks any track record of achieving anything! Is that what you are saying?
I'm saying asking what a singular person within an organisation has achieved is stupid. You know as well as I do that a singular person cannot acheive anything. That's Biden, Trump, Obama, Bush etc etc.
If you really did want to know 'an' answer to your question, you could've researched.
Again.. that’s really an answer without giving an answer… sounds good says no much…
See… here is the thing….
As president trump is the default leader of the Republican Party…
In 2016 when he took office… the republicans also had a majority in the senate AND a majority in the house
They held all the levers of power from November 2016 till the midterms in 2018…. They within reason could have passed major legislation
They decided the most important thing for them was to expend all this political capital they had to in effect pile new debt upon outstanding debt by giving his buddies a 3 trillion dollar tax cut……
That was the keystone legislation when in effect they had all the power and democrats has none!
Everything else is really mood music.. he tried to take away healthcare from the poorest, tried to roll back on environmental protection including that Paris climate change agreement, named 3 new SCOTUS judges because 3 died….
You could make an argument that politically Mitch McConnell was the person pulling most of the strings, and that is why trump dispises him!
Answers without answers ay?
It's the truth Fabio, you know that as well as I do.
But Feisty you’ve missed the point. I don’t want to research it. I want to know what his (apparent if not trolling) supporters think Trump achieved. To get some insight into their thinking. Not what some political commentators claim etc
I could believe that if you didn't thank Fabio and then debate with someone who disagreed with him.
Fabio is probably the most informed when it comes to American politics on this forum but he's also a Dem supporter, so a bit biased, wouldn't you say?"Not at all. I thanked Fabio as he was the only person who answered with any detail. Had hoped some Trump supporters might do the same to back their boy but nope, nothing. Makes you wonder why there is so much support. Is it just “my team” vs “the other team”? | |||
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"Can anyone tell me what Trump actually achieved during his presidency that provides tangible benefits to the American people. I’m not saying he didn’t, I honestly don’t know. Trump did acheive things during his time in office. Whether those things are beneficial are subjective dependant on your own personal leanings. Besides, the President doesn't actually write law or spend money, just as our Prime Minister doesn't Not sure how to react to the last paragraph. Like erm yeah thanks for mansplaining that Feisty mate, but you know I am smart enough to not need that right?
If you ask stupid questions you may well just get stupid answers
Why was asking what Trump achieved a stupid question? Unless you are saying he didn’t achieve anything therefore it is stupid to ask, which in turn must mean anyone who supports him as a good candidate for POTUS must also be stupid as he lacks any track record of achieving anything! Is that what you are saying?
I'm saying asking what a singular person within an organisation has achieved is stupid. You know as well as I do that a singular person cannot acheive anything. That's Biden, Trump, Obama, Bush etc etc.
If you really did want to know 'an' answer to your question, you could've researched.
Again.. that’s really an answer without giving an answer… sounds good says no much…
See… here is the thing….
As president trump is the default leader of the Republican Party…
In 2016 when he took office… the republicans also had a majority in the senate AND a majority in the house
They held all the levers of power from November 2016 till the midterms in 2018…. They within reason could have passed major legislation
They decided the most important thing for them was to expend all this political capital they had to in effect pile new debt upon outstanding debt by giving his buddies a 3 trillion dollar tax cut……
That was the keystone legislation when in effect they had all the power and democrats has none!
Everything else is really mood music.. he tried to take away healthcare from the poorest, tried to roll back on environmental protection including that Paris climate change agreement, named 3 new SCOTUS judges because 3 died….
You could make an argument that politically Mitch McConnell was the person pulling most of the strings, and that is why trump dispises him!
Answers without answers ay?
It's the truth Fabio, you know that as well as I do.
But Feisty you’ve missed the point. I don’t want to research it. I want to know what his (apparent if not trolling) supporters think Trump achieved. To get some insight into their thinking. Not what some political commentators claim etc
I could believe that if you didn't thank Fabio and then debate with someone who disagreed with him.
Fabio is probably the most informed when it comes to American politics on this forum but he's also a Dem supporter, so a bit biased, wouldn't you say?
Not at all. I thanked Fabio as he was the only person who answered with any detail. Had hoped some Trump supporters might do the same to back their boy but nope, nothing. Makes you wonder why there is so much support. Is it just “my team” vs “the other team”?"Maybe it's just my tired eyes but Buddy gave you something (twice), and got ignored, you decided to give Fabio a walk instead. I don't know if what Buddy says is correct, but by ignoring him, it tells us you're not as interested as you pretend to be. | |||
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"Can anyone tell me what Trump actually achieved during his presidency that provides tangible benefits to the American people. I’m not saying he didn’t, I honestly don’t know. Trump did acheive things during his time in office. Whether those things are beneficial are subjective dependant on your own personal leanings. Besides, the President doesn't actually write law or spend money, just as our Prime Minister doesn't Not sure how to react to the last paragraph. Like erm yeah thanks for mansplaining that Feisty mate, but you know I am smart enough to not need that right?
If you ask stupid questions you may well just get stupid answers
Why was asking what Trump achieved a stupid question? Unless you are saying he didn’t achieve anything therefore it is stupid to ask, which in turn must mean anyone who supports him as a good candidate for POTUS must also be stupid as he lacks any track record of achieving anything! Is that what you are saying?
I'm saying asking what a singular person within an organisation has achieved is stupid. You know as well as I do that a singular person cannot acheive anything. That's Biden, Trump, Obama, Bush etc etc.
If you really did want to know 'an' answer to your question, you could've researched.
Again.. that’s really an answer without giving an answer… sounds good says no much…
See… here is the thing….
As president trump is the default leader of the Republican Party…
In 2016 when he took office… the republicans also had a majority in the senate AND a majority in the house
They held all the levers of power from November 2016 till the midterms in 2018…. They within reason could have passed major legislation
They decided the most important thing for them was to expend all this political capital they had to in effect pile new debt upon outstanding debt by giving his buddies a 3 trillion dollar tax cut……
That was the keystone legislation when in effect they had all the power and democrats has none!
Everything else is really mood music.. he tried to take away healthcare from the poorest, tried to roll back on environmental protection including that Paris climate change agreement, named 3 new SCOTUS judges because 3 died….
You could make an argument that politically Mitch McConnell was the person pulling most of the strings, and that is why trump dispises him!
Answers without answers ay?
It's the truth Fabio, you know that as well as I do.
But Feisty you’ve missed the point. I don’t want to research it. I want to know what his (apparent if not trolling) supporters think Trump achieved. To get some insight into their thinking. Not what some political commentators claim etc
I could believe that if you didn't thank Fabio and then debate with someone who disagreed with him.
Fabio is probably the most informed when it comes to American politics on this forum but he's also a Dem supporter, so a bit biased, wouldn't you say?
Not at all. I thanked Fabio as he was the only person who answered with any detail. Had hoped some Trump supporters might do the same to back their boy but nope, nothing. Makes you wonder why there is so much support. Is it just “my team” vs “the other team”?
Maybe it's just my tired eyes but Buddy gave you something (twice), and got ignored, you decided to give Fabio a walk instead.
I don't know if what Buddy says is correct, but by ignoring him, it tells us you're not as interested as you pretend to be. "Well maybe it is MY eyes as all I saw was a scripture reference (as I don’t know the bible that is useless to me and a rather esoteric answer) and “Removed everything the dems put in place, the fight is still on going.” which is too non-specific to have a meaningful conversation about. | |||
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"I went and had a look for his achievements. Here's an exmaple: Trump signed a law to make cruelty to animals a federal felony so that animal abusers face tougher consequences. ???? "True. A bipartisan group in Congress also deserves credit for the Preventing Animal Cruelty and Torture Act." The bit in quotation marks is my point, even if he was president, someone else will always be credited with it alongside him. The NYT have a whole list which starts with 'true, but'. " Thank you. It is things like this that I was asking for. | |||
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"Nasdaq Rose from 6235.90 to 14271.46 during his time in office. A true measure of Trumps success in running the economy . Pension fund managers and those living in the USA are hardly going to be complaining about his success . Complaints are the preserve of the woke loving privledged elite who are a very small section of society. Trump vowed to make America great again and did exactly that. The Deere Corporation have made a great contribution to farming life. " Another useful response, thanks Pat. What actions was it that the President and US Federal Govt took that the markets responded so positively to? Was that the closing rate or did it hit that peak mid-term(ish)? See it doesn’t have to be that hard to get a straight answer. Gotta say though, live the segue into tractors. A nostalgic throwback to a previous persona of yours | |||
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"Nasdaq Rose from 6235.90 to 14271.46 during his time in office. A true measure of Trumps success in running the economy . Pension fund managers and those living in the USA are hardly going to be complaining about his success . Complaints are the preserve of the woke loving privledged elite who are a very small section of society. Trump vowed to make America great again and did exactly that. The Deere Corporation have made a great contribution to farming life. Another useful response, thanks Pat. What actions was it that the President and US Federal Govt took that the markets responded so positively to? Was that the closing rate or did it hit that peak mid-term(ish)? See it doesn’t have to be that hard to get a straight answer. Gotta say though, live the segue into tractors. A nostalgic throwback to a previous persona of yours "*closing rate as in at the end of Trump’s presidency | |||
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"the democrats have a long history, discrimination, defended s lavery started the civil war founded the kkk, imposed segregation, lynchings fought against the civil rights initiatives of the 1950 60s, and the stench has not changed, in contrast to the 'GOP' republicans, who fought fight against everything the democrats stood and still stand for. But what did Trump achieve? Removed everything the dems put in place, the fight is still on going.
Can you actually list anything? What you are saying seems to contradict what Fabio has said.
The first step act previously posted.
Who cares what Fabio says, the truth will set you free.
John 8:31 32.
Quoting scripture now… how fancy…
Not that it’s shows much…. I think it’s called question avoidance….
I thinking it’s interesting that you quote the bible, when mr trump when after having his troops clear protesters in Washington for a church photo op , held his bible upside down!
answered the question posted, no avoidance, but no response from the poster of my answer I gave twice to the question. Talk about avoidance not on my behalf.
Avoidance or having a life away from the forums and away from Fab perhaps? Saying that your nonsensical answer didn’t really warrant a response and was frankly confusing and I don’t care for riddles. If all you can come up with is undid what the others did, then that doesn’t really amount to a hill of beans."A detail response you did not ask for did you, all you asked was what did trump do in his tenure of potus while the dems were pulling up paid for fabricated lies of russia, that is without the impeachment they desperately tried to push, I'm not a copy and paste guy like some, I will say again the 'first step act'. They don't like Mr trump because he is not a career politician who plays their game, maybe this country needs some of that, Mr farage is the same the establishment don't like him either, because he gets the job done or is it because he his friends with Mr trump and they don't want the boat rocked. It is desperation from the establishment George Galloway getting back on the bench and the media political outcry should show you that if you care to look. | |||
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"the democrats have a long history, discrimination, defended s lavery started the civil war founded the kkk, imposed segregation, lynchings fought against the civil rights initiatives of the 1950 60s, and the stench has not changed, in contrast to the 'GOP' republicans, who fought fight against everything the democrats stood and still stand for. But what did Trump achieve? Removed everything the dems put in place, the fight is still on going.
Can you actually list anything? What you are saying seems to contradict what Fabio has said.
The first step act previously posted.
Who cares what Fabio says, the truth will set you free.
John 8:31 32.
Quoting scripture now… how fancy…
Not that it’s shows much…. I think it’s called question avoidance….
I thinking it’s interesting that you quote the bible, when mr trump when after having his troops clear protesters in Washington for a church photo op , held his bible upside down!
answered the question posted, no avoidance, but no response from the poster of my answer I gave twice to the question. Talk about avoidance not on my behalf.
Avoidance or having a life away from the forums and away from Fab perhaps? Saying that your nonsensical answer didn’t really warrant a response and was frankly confusing and I don’t care for riddles. If all you can come up with is undid what the others did, then that doesn’t really amount to a hill of beans.
A detail response you did not ask for did you, all you asked was what did trump do in his tenure of potus while the dems were pulling up paid for fabricated lies of russia, that is without the impeachment they desperately tried to push, I'm not a copy and paste guy like some, I will say again the 'first step act'. They don't like Mr trump because he is not a career politician who plays their game, maybe this country needs some of that, Mr farage is the same the establishment don't like him either, because he gets the job done or is it because he his friends with Mr trump and they don't want the boat rocked. It is desperation from the establishment George Galloway getting back on the bench and the media political outcry should show you that if you care to look. "A far better response with context. Thank you Mr B. I am not commenting because this wasn’t about whether we agree or proving a point. I was/am just interested on perceptions of his supporters. All opinions are valid. | |||
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"Of course Mr trump had the money for the bond payment, the entrepreneurs of new york are seeing how corrupt the system is towards them with threats of frezzing and selling assets, the appeal will take years before it is heard by which time new york will be a ghost town void of entrepreneurs. By that logic everyone who has never lied on a mortgage application would refuse to ever have another mortgage because one guy who did lie, and was caught, is being punished for his fraudulent activity. Assets are only worth what an investor or bank are going to lend against, a bank or investor will do due diligence in looking into this before lending, and if the bank makes money from it which they did there is no crime or victim. Election interference is what is happening. A judge says your wrong and that's that.... Until the appeal is heard many many years from now the judges decision is not final and could be overturned.
He'll hopefully be in jail by then for one of his other crimes
One or two of the Biden family will be incarcerate before that happens.
Come on Buddy, own up hombré. You are just stiring the pot here, arent you?
You cannot be mad enough to really believe the pro-Trump, anti Biden propaganda?
You cannot be mad enough to really believe the pro-biden, anti trump propaganda?.
"I just look at what has happened in reality. Hard facts. Economy great, Unemployment rate down, infrastructure works in progress, stock market at all time high, drug cost capped and a bipartisan agreement for the southern border security which, despite the Trumpite rhetoric that the migrants are killing and importing drugs, Trump will not let his lackies pass because he WANTS a border crisis. Let us not forget NATO under threat from Putin loving Trump and support for Ukraine will go. So, what did Trump do for the USA? | |||
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"the democrats have a long history, discrimination, defended s lavery started the civil war founded the kkk, imposed segregation, lynchings fought against the civil rights initiatives of the 1950 60s, and the stench has not changed, in contrast to the 'GOP' republicans, who fought fight against everything the democrats stood and still stand for. But what did Trump achieve? Removed everything the dems put in place, the fight is still on going.
Can you actually list anything? What you are saying seems to contradict what Fabio has said.
The first step act previously posted.
Who cares what Fabio says, the truth will set you free.
John 8:31 32.
Quoting scripture now… how fancy…
Not that it’s shows much…. I think it’s called question avoidance….
I thinking it’s interesting that you quote the bible, when mr trump when after having his troops clear protesters in Washington for a church photo op , held his bible upside down!
answered the question posted, no avoidance, but no response from the poster of my answer I gave twice to the question. Talk about avoidance not on my behalf.
Avoidance or having a life away from the forums and away from Fab perhaps? Saying that your nonsensical answer didn’t really warrant a response and was frankly confusing and I don’t care for riddles. If all you can come up with is undid what the others did, then that doesn’t really amount to a hill of beans.
A detail response you did not ask for did you, all you asked was what did trump do in his tenure of potus while the dems were pulling up paid for fabricated lies of russia, that is without the impeachment they desperately tried to push, I'm not a copy and paste guy like some, I will say again the 'first step act'. They don't like Mr trump because he is not a career politician who plays their game, maybe this country needs some of that, Mr farage is the same the establishment don't like him either, because he gets the job done or is it because he his friends with Mr trump and they don't want the boat rocked. It is desperation from the establishment George Galloway getting back on the bench and the media political outcry should show you that if you care to look.
A far better response with context. Thank you Mr B.
I am not commenting because this wasn’t about whether we agree or proving a point. I was/am just interested on perceptions of his supporters. All opinions are valid."So if someone does not respond to your demands and supply a copy and paste detailed statement you go off on one and come out with childish pet names and you don't like the Mr either. Do you look in the mirror. Have you looked at the 'first step act', I'm guessing no, there are videos on the tube of democrat supporters gushing in delight and agreeing with policy enacted, thinking they are dem policy when they are in fact enacted rep policy.
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"the democrats have a long history, discrimination, defended s lavery started the civil war founded the kkk, imposed segregation, lynchings fought against the civil rights initiatives of the 1950 60s, and the stench has not changed, in contrast to the 'GOP' republicans, who fought fight against everything the democrats stood and still stand for. But what did Trump achieve? Removed everything the dems put in place, the fight is still on going.
Can you actually list anything? What you are saying seems to contradict what Fabio has said.
The first step act previously posted.
Who cares what Fabio says, the truth will set you free.
John 8:31 32.
Quoting scripture now… how fancy…
Not that it’s shows much…. I think it’s called question avoidance….
I thinking it’s interesting that you quote the bible, when mr trump when after having his troops clear protesters in Washington for a church photo op , held his bible upside down!
answered the question posted, no avoidance, but no response from the poster of my answer I gave twice to the question. Talk about avoidance not on my behalf.
Avoidance or having a life away from the forums and away from Fab perhaps? Saying that your nonsensical answer didn’t really warrant a response and was frankly confusing and I don’t care for riddles. If all you can come up with is undid what the others did, then that doesn’t really amount to a hill of beans.
A detail response you did not ask for did you, all you asked was what did trump do in his tenure of potus while the dems were pulling up paid for fabricated lies of russia, that is without the impeachment they desperately tried to push, I'm not a copy and paste guy like some, I will say again the 'first step act'. They don't like Mr trump because he is not a career politician who plays their game, maybe this country needs some of that, Mr farage is the same the establishment don't like him either, because he gets the job done or is it because he his friends with Mr trump and they don't want the boat rocked. It is desperation from the establishment George Galloway getting back on the bench and the media political outcry should show you that if you care to look.
A far better response with context. Thank you Mr B.
I am not commenting because this wasn’t about whether we agree or proving a point. I was/am just interested on perceptions of his supporters. All opinions are valid.
So if someone does not respond to your demands and supply a copy and paste detailed statement you go off on one and come out with childish pet names and you don't like the Mr either.
Do you look in the mirror.
Have you looked at the 'first step act', I'm guessing no, there are videos on the tube of democrat supporters gushing in delight and agreeing with policy enacted, thinking they are dem policy when they
are in fact enacted rep policy.
"Actually…. Prison reform has always been democratic policy, what you will find is that most democratic people in both the house and senate also want sentencing reforms as well…. Which this doesn’t cover So the first step act is just that for democracy… the step towards a much larger piece of possible legislation, which is why it got a lot of bipartisan support! But thanks for the spin in the last sentence buddy! | |||
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"Of course Mr trump had the money for the bond payment, the entrepreneurs of new york are seeing how corrupt the system is towards them with threats of frezzing and selling assets, the appeal will take years before it is heard by which time new york will be a ghost town void of entrepreneurs. By that logic everyone who has never lied on a mortgage application would refuse to ever have another mortgage because one guy who did lie, and was caught, is being punished for his fraudulent activity. Assets are only worth what an investor or bank are going to lend against, a bank or investor will do due diligence in looking into this before lending, and if the bank makes money from it which they did there is no crime or victim. Election interference is what is happening. A judge says your wrong and that's that.... Until the appeal is heard many many years from now the judges decision is not final and could be overturned.
He'll hopefully be in jail by then for one of his other crimes
One or two of the Biden family will be incarcerate before that happens.
Come on Buddy, own up hombré. You are just stiring the pot here, arent you?
You cannot be mad enough to really believe the pro-Trump, anti Biden propaganda?
You cannot be mad enough to really believe the pro-biden, anti trump propaganda?.
I just look at what has happened in reality. Hard facts.
Economy great, Unemployment rate down, infrastructure works in progress, stock market at all time high, drug cost capped and a bipartisan agreement for the southern border security which, despite the Trumpite rhetoric that the migrants are killing and importing drugs, Trump will not let his lackies pass because he WANTS a border crisis. Let us not forget NATO under threat from Putin loving Trump and support for Ukraine will go.
So, what did Trump do for the USA?"he implemented the border wall. Illegal migrants are killing American citizens and beating up the police with unfettered arrogance, including the national guard at the border. | |||
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"the democrats have a long history, discrimination, defended s lavery started the civil war founded the kkk, imposed segregation, lynchings fought against the civil rights initiatives of the 1950 60s, and the stench has not changed, in contrast to the 'GOP' republicans, who fought fight against everything the democrats stood and still stand for. But what did Trump achieve? Removed everything the dems put in place, the fight is still on going.
Can you actually list anything? What you are saying seems to contradict what Fabio has said.
The first step act previously posted.
Who cares what Fabio says, the truth will set you free.
John 8:31 32.
Quoting scripture now… how fancy…
Not that it’s shows much…. I think it’s called question avoidance….
I thinking it’s interesting that you quote the bible, when mr trump when after having his troops clear protesters in Washington for a church photo op , held his bible upside down!
answered the question posted, no avoidance, but no response from the poster of my answer I gave twice to the question. Talk about avoidance not on my behalf.
Avoidance or having a life away from the forums and away from Fab perhaps? Saying that your nonsensical answer didn’t really warrant a response and was frankly confusing and I don’t care for riddles. If all you can come up with is undid what the others did, then that doesn’t really amount to a hill of beans.
A detail response you did not ask for did you, all you asked was what did trump do in his tenure of potus while the dems were pulling up paid for fabricated lies of russia, that is without the impeachment they desperately tried to push, I'm not a copy and paste guy like some, I will say again the 'first step act'. They don't like Mr trump because he is not a career politician who plays their game, maybe this country needs some of that, Mr farage is the same the establishment don't like him either, because he gets the job done or is it because he his friends with Mr trump and they don't want the boat rocked. It is desperation from the establishment George Galloway getting back on the bench and the media political outcry should show you that if you care to look.
A far better response with context. Thank you Mr B.
I am not commenting because this wasn’t about whether we agree or proving a point. I was/am just interested on perceptions of his supporters. All opinions are valid.
So if someone does not respond to your demands and supply a copy and paste detailed statement you go off on one and come out with childish pet names and you don't like the Mr either.
Do you look in the mirror.
Have you looked at the 'first step act', I'm guessing no, there are videos on the tube of democrat supporters gushing in delight and agreeing with policy enacted, thinking they are dem policy when they
are in fact enacted rep policy.
Actually…. Prison reform has always been democratic policy, what you will find is that most democratic people in both the house and senate also want sentencing reforms as well…. Which this doesn’t cover
So the first step act is just that for democracy… the step towards a much larger piece of possible legislation, which is why it got a lot of bipartisan support!
But thanks for the spin in the last sentence buddy! "But it would never of happened under the dems they had no policy like it, Mr trump enacted it, not having birthing mothers chained to the bed is a good thing, it was Mr trump a not career politician putting the wrongs of career politicians of both sides right. A man of the people. | |||
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"the democrats have a long history, discrimination, defended s lavery started the civil war founded the kkk, imposed segregation, lynchings fought against the civil rights initiatives of the 1950 60s, and the stench has not changed, in contrast to the 'GOP' republicans, who fought fight against everything the democrats stood and still stand for. But what did Trump achieve? Removed everything the dems put in place, the fight is still on going.
Can you actually list anything? What you are saying seems to contradict what Fabio has said.
The first step act previously posted.
Who cares what Fabio says, the truth will set you free.
John 8:31 32.
Quoting scripture now… how fancy…
Not that it’s shows much…. I think it’s called question avoidance….
I thinking it’s interesting that you quote the bible, when mr trump when after having his troops clear protesters in Washington for a church photo op , held his bible upside down!
answered the question posted, no avoidance, but no response from the poster of my answer I gave twice to the question. Talk about avoidance not on my behalf.
Avoidance or having a life away from the forums and away from Fab perhaps? Saying that your nonsensical answer didn’t really warrant a response and was frankly confusing and I don’t care for riddles. If all you can come up with is undid what the others did, then that doesn’t really amount to a hill of beans.
A detail response you did not ask for did you, all you asked was what did trump do in his tenure of potus while the dems were pulling up paid for fabricated lies of russia, that is without the impeachment they desperately tried to push, I'm not a copy and paste guy like some, I will say again the 'first step act'. They don't like Mr trump because he is not a career politician who plays their game, maybe this country needs some of that, Mr farage is the same the establishment don't like him either, because he gets the job done or is it because he his friends with Mr trump and they don't want the boat rocked. It is desperation from the establishment George Galloway getting back on the bench and the media political outcry should show you that if you care to look.
A far better response with context. Thank you Mr B.
I am not commenting because this wasn’t about whether we agree or proving a point. I was/am just interested on perceptions of his supporters. All opinions are valid.
So if someone does not respond to your demands and supply a copy and paste detailed statement you go off on one and come out with childish pet names and you don't like the Mr either.
Do you look in the mirror.
Have you looked at the 'first step act', I'm guessing no, there are videos on the tube of democrat supporters gushing in delight and agreeing with policy enacted, thinking they are dem policy when they
are in fact enacted rep policy.
"Sense of humour bypass Mr B? Oh dear lighten up. After all you are a Trump fan so you can’t take life that seriously surely? | |||
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"Of course Mr trump had the money for the bond payment, the entrepreneurs of new york are seeing how corrupt the system is towards them with threats of frezzing and selling assets, the appeal will take years before it is heard by which time new york will be a ghost town void of entrepreneurs. By that logic everyone who has never lied on a mortgage application would refuse to ever have another mortgage because one guy who did lie, and was caught, is being punished for his fraudulent activity. Assets are only worth what an investor or bank are going to lend against, a bank or investor will do due diligence in looking into this before lending, and if the bank makes money from it which they did there is no crime or victim. Election interference is what is happening. A judge says your wrong and that's that.... Until the appeal is heard many many years from now the judges decision is not final and could be overturned.
He'll hopefully be in jail by then for one of his other crimes
One or two of the Biden family will be incarcerate before that happens.
Come on Buddy, own up hombré. You are just stiring the pot here, arent you?
You cannot be mad enough to really believe the pro-Trump, anti Biden propaganda?
You cannot be mad enough to really believe the pro-biden, anti trump propaganda?.
I just look at what has happened in reality. Hard facts.
Economy great, Unemployment rate down, infrastructure works in progress, stock market at all time high, drug cost capped and a bipartisan agreement for the southern border security which, despite the Trumpite rhetoric that the migrants are killing and importing drugs, Trump will not let his lackies pass because he WANTS a border crisis. Let us not forget NATO under threat from Putin loving Trump and support for Ukraine will go.
So, what did Trump do for the USA?
he implemented the border wall.
Illegal migrants are killing American citizens and beating up the police with unfettered arrogance, including the national guard at the border. "“He implemented the border wall “ That’s a fallacy…. A grand total of 37 miles of new border wall/fencing was built under trump…. See .. if trump truly cared that much about border security… he would not have scuppered the border bill, which was written by republicans, and gave republicans every single ask the wanted….. | |||
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"the democrats have a long history, discrimination, defended s lavery started the civil war founded the kkk, imposed segregation, lynchings fought against the civil rights initiatives of the 1950 60s, and the stench has not changed, in contrast to the 'GOP' republicans, who fought fight against everything the democrats stood and still stand for. But what did Trump achieve? Removed everything the dems put in place, the fight is still on going.
Can you actually list anything? What you are saying seems to contradict what Fabio has said.
The first step act previously posted.
Who cares what Fabio says, the truth will set you free.
John 8:31 32.
Quoting scripture now… how fancy…
Not that it’s shows much…. I think it’s called question avoidance….
I thinking it’s interesting that you quote the bible, when mr trump when after having his troops clear protesters in Washington for a church photo op , held his bible upside down!
answered the question posted, no avoidance, but no response from the poster of my answer I gave twice to the question. Talk about avoidance not on my behalf.
Avoidance or having a life away from the forums and away from Fab perhaps? Saying that your nonsensical answer didn’t really warrant a response and was frankly confusing and I don’t care for riddles. If all you can come up with is undid what the others did, then that doesn’t really amount to a hill of beans.
A detail response you did not ask for did you, all you asked was what did trump do in his tenure of potus while the dems were pulling up paid for fabricated lies of russia, that is without the impeachment they desperately tried to push, I'm not a copy and paste guy like some, I will say again the 'first step act'. They don't like Mr trump because he is not a career politician who plays their game, maybe this country needs some of that, Mr farage is the same the establishment don't like him either, because he gets the job done or is it because he his friends with Mr trump and they don't want the boat rocked. It is desperation from the establishment George Galloway getting back on the bench and the media political outcry should show you that if you care to look.
A far better response with context. Thank you Mr B.
I am not commenting because this wasn’t about whether we agree or proving a point. I was/am just interested on perceptions of his supporters. All opinions are valid.
So if someone does not respond to your demands and supply a copy and paste detailed statement you go off on one and come out with childish pet names and you don't like the Mr either.
Do you look in the mirror.
Have you looked at the 'first step act', I'm guessing no, there are videos on the tube of democrat supporters gushing in delight and agreeing with policy enacted, thinking they are dem policy when they
are in fact enacted rep policy.
Actually…. Prison reform has always been democratic policy, what you will find is that most democratic people in both the house and senate also want sentencing reforms as well…. Which this doesn’t cover
So the first step act is just that for democracy… the step towards a much larger piece of possible legislation, which is why it got a lot of bipartisan support!
But thanks for the spin in the last sentence buddy!
But it would never of happened under the dems they had no policy like it, Mr trump enacted it, not having birthing mothers chained to the bed is a good thing, it was Mr trump a not career politician putting the wrongs of career politicians of both sides right. A man of the people."The reason why democrats had not passed a criminal bill was because it was actually not republican policy! (If you REALLY want to have this discussion we can do that…. I suggest you do a lot of reading!) and the last criminal reform and justice act that was passed before that was the Brady bill under Clinton! Oh which because a lot of the bill, especially the gun legislation bits had sunset Clauses in it.. they elapsed under Bush 2… (like I said.. if you really want to have that conversation… we can do it!) As a lot of democrats said at the time, take the small win towards something bigger… that’s why they could stand behind whichever president signed it! | |||
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"Of course Mr trump had the money for the bond payment, the entrepreneurs of new york are seeing how corrupt the system is towards them with threats of frezzing and selling assets, the appeal will take years before it is heard by which time new york will be a ghost town void of entrepreneurs. By that logic everyone who has never lied on a mortgage application would refuse to ever have another mortgage because one guy who did lie, and was caught, is being punished for his fraudulent activity. Assets are only worth what an investor or bank are going to lend against, a bank or investor will do due diligence in looking into this before lending, and if the bank makes money from it which they did there is no crime or victim. Election interference is what is happening. A judge says your wrong and that's that.... Until the appeal is heard many many years from now the judges decision is not final and could be overturned.
He'll hopefully be in jail by then for one of his other crimes
One or two of the Biden family will be incarcerate before that happens.
Come on Buddy, own up hombré. You are just stiring the pot here, arent you?
You cannot be mad enough to really believe the pro-Trump, anti Biden propaganda?
You cannot be mad enough to really believe the pro-biden, anti trump propaganda?.
I just look at what has happened in reality. Hard facts.
Economy great, Unemployment rate down, infrastructure works in progress, stock market at all time high, drug cost capped and a bipartisan agreement for the southern border security which, despite the Trumpite rhetoric that the migrants are killing and importing drugs, Trump will not let his lackies pass because he WANTS a border crisis. Let us not forget NATO under threat from Putin loving Trump and support for Ukraine will go.
So, what did Trump do for the USA?
he implemented the border wall.
Illegal migrants are killing American citizens and beating up the police with unfettered arrogance, including the national guard at the border.
“He implemented the border wall “
That’s a fallacy…. A grand total of 37 miles of new border wall/fencing was built under trump….
See .. if trump truly cared that much about border security… he would not have scuppered the border bill, which was written by republicans, and gave republicans every single ask the wanted….."Fabio is this true or am urban myth = the wall is made up of multiple steel posts (girders) erected vertically with gaps in between (to allow wildlife to migrate?). The width of the gaps were measured to stop the average adult being able to slip through. However, they based the measurement on the average American not average Mexican who are, ahem, slimmer! Is that true? It’s a great story! | |||
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" The reason why democrats had not passed a criminal bill was because it was actually not republican policy! " This bit is confusing? The Dems didn't pass a bill because it wasn't Rep policy? Are you saying Dems would have passed something that was Rep policy or that Trump went against Rep and passed something that was neither parties policy? | |||
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"Of course Mr trump had the money for the bond payment, the entrepreneurs of new york are seeing how corrupt the system is towards them with threats of frezzing and selling assets, the appeal will take years before it is heard by which time new york will be a ghost town void of entrepreneurs. By that logic everyone who has never lied on a mortgage application would refuse to ever have another mortgage because one guy who did lie, and was caught, is being punished for his fraudulent activity. Assets are only worth what an investor or bank are going to lend against, a bank or investor will do due diligence in looking into this before lending, and if the bank makes money from it which they did there is no crime or victim. Election interference is what is happening. A judge says your wrong and that's that.... Until the appeal is heard many many years from now the judges decision is not final and could be overturned.
He'll hopefully be in jail by then for one of his other crimes
One or two of the Biden family will be incarcerate before that happens.
Come on Buddy, own up hombré. You are just stiring the pot here, arent you?
You cannot be mad enough to really believe the pro-Trump, anti Biden propaganda?
You cannot be mad enough to really believe the pro-biden, anti trump propaganda?.
I just look at what has happened in reality. Hard facts.
Economy great, Unemployment rate down, infrastructure works in progress, stock market at all time high, drug cost capped and a bipartisan agreement for the southern border security which, despite the Trumpite rhetoric that the migrants are killing and importing drugs, Trump will not let his lackies pass because he WANTS a border crisis. Let us not forget NATO under threat from Putin loving Trump and support for Ukraine will go.
So, what did Trump do for the USA?
he implemented the border wall.
Illegal migrants are killing American citizens and beating up the police with unfettered arrogance, including the national guard at the border.
“He implemented the border wall “
That’s a fallacy…. A grand total of 37 miles of new border wall/fencing was built under trump….
See .. if trump truly cared that much about border security… he would not have scuppered the border bill, which was written by republicans, and gave republicans every single ask the wanted…..
Fabio is this true or am urban myth = the wall is made up of multiple steel posts (girders) erected vertically with gaps in between (to allow wildlife to migrate?). The width of the gaps were measured to stop the average adult being able to slip through. However, they based the measurement on the average American not average Mexican who are, ahem, slimmer! Is that true? It’s a great story!"All you need to know about the wall is Trump was a massive racist for wanting it but Biden is 'actually doing what Trump promised' by extending it | |||
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"the democrats have a long history, discrimination, defended s lavery started the civil war founded the kkk, imposed segregation, lynchings fought against the civil rights initiatives of the 1950 60s, and the stench has not changed, in contrast to the 'GOP' republicans, who fought fight against everything the democrats stood and still stand for. But what did Trump achieve? Removed everything the dems put in place, the fight is still on going.
Can you actually list anything? What you are saying seems to contradict what Fabio has said.
The first step act previously posted.
Who cares what Fabio says, the truth will set you free.
John 8:31 32.
Quoting scripture now… how fancy…
Not that it’s shows much…. I think it’s called question avoidance….
I thinking it’s interesting that you quote the bible, when mr trump when after having his troops clear protesters in Washington for a church photo op , held his bible upside down!
answered the question posted, no avoidance, but no response from the poster of my answer I gave twice to the question. Talk about avoidance not on my behalf.
Avoidance or having a life away from the forums and away from Fab perhaps? Saying that your nonsensical answer didn’t really warrant a response and was frankly confusing and I don’t care for riddles. If all you can come up with is undid what the others did, then that doesn’t really amount to a hill of beans.
A detail response you did not ask for did you, all you asked was what did trump do in his tenure of potus while the dems were pulling up paid for fabricated lies of russia, that is without the impeachment they desperately tried to push, I'm not a copy and paste guy like some, I will say again the 'first step act'. They don't like Mr trump because he is not a career politician who plays their game, maybe this country needs some of that, Mr farage is the same the establishment don't like him either, because he gets the job done or is it because he his friends with Mr trump and they don't want the boat rocked. It is desperation from the establishment George Galloway getting back on the bench and the media political outcry should show you that if you care to look.
A far better response with context. Thank you Mr B.
I am not commenting because this wasn’t about whether we agree or proving a point. I was/am just interested on perceptions of his supporters. All opinions are valid.
So if someone does not respond to your demands and supply a copy and paste detailed statement you go off on one and come out with childish pet names and you don't like the Mr either.
Do you look in the mirror.
Have you looked at the 'first step act', I'm guessing no, there are videos on the tube of democrat supporters gushing in delight and agreeing with policy enacted, thinking they are dem policy when they
are in fact enacted rep policy.
Sense of humour bypass Mr B? Oh dear lighten up. After all you are a Trump fan so you can’t take life that seriously surely?"You did go off on one with childish pet names, you do have form for it. Circle jerk topics are an amusement to read and respond to. | |||
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" The reason why democrats had not passed a criminal bill was because it was actually not republican policy! This bit is confusing? The Dems didn't pass a bill because it wasn't Rep policy? Are you saying Dems would have passed something that was Rep policy or that Trump went against Rep and passed something that was neither parties policy?" Let’s put it this way…. Everyone realises something needed to be done, democrats wanted to go a lot further with reform in general that the republicans did… especially with the scope of what had been achieved with the Brady bill…. So anytime a member much grander bill was proposed looking at criminal justice in general, republicans would oppose it! Think of it like this… buddy (and republicans in general) wants to looks at just the border security…. Democrats want to then look at that within the scope of broader immigration reform Now everyone agrees that something needs to be done regarding immigration.. for example, is there a legal path to immigration for those already there illegally? What do you do about “dreamers” (the children that came here or were born here to people who came to the us illegally… who can in theory work, be in the army ect.. but at the moment have no legal path to citizenship) ect… The first step act was an easy win because it show trump could get something done within the first 100 days that most people could agree on…. That is why Biden for example chose the lily Ledbetter fair pay act for women… which meant women had to be paid the same rate as men for the same role in federal jobs…. Like I said, an easy win because most people can agree… But trying to get a federally mandated legal minimum pay rate act is almost an impossible goal because republican objections | |||
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" The reason why democrats had not passed a criminal bill was because it was actually not republican policy! This bit is confusing? The Dems didn't pass a bill because it wasn't Rep policy? Are you saying Dems would have passed something that was Rep policy or that Trump went against Rep and passed something that was neither parties policy? Let’s put it this way…. Everyone realises something needed to be done, democrats wanted to go a lot further with reform in general that the republicans did… especially with the scope of what had been achieved with the Brady bill…. So anytime a member much grander bill was proposed looking at criminal justice in general, republicans would oppose it! Think of it like this… buddy (and republicans in general) wants to looks at just the border security…. Democrats want to then look at that within the scope of broader immigration reform Now everyone agrees that something needs to be done regarding immigration.. for example, is there a legal path to immigration for those already there illegally? What do you do about “dreamers” (the children that came here or were born here to people who came to the us illegally… who can in theory work, be in the army ect.. but at the moment have no legal path to citizenship) ect… The first step act was an easy win because it show trump could get something done within the first 100 days that most people could agree on…. That is why Biden for example chose the lily Ledbetter fair pay act for women… which meant women had to be paid the same rate as men for the same role in federal jobs…. Like I said, an easy win because most people can agree… But trying to get a federally mandated legal minimum pay rate act is almost an impossible goal because republican objections " Which ties in nicely with what I said in the beginning, NO ONE PERSON CAN GET ANYTHING DONE. Only I was accused of answering without answering | |||
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"Nasdaq Rose from 6235.90 to 14271.46 during his time in office. A true measure of Trumps success in running the economy . Pension fund managers and those living in the USA are hardly going to be complaining about his success . Complaints are the preserve of the woke loving privledged elite who are a very small section of society. Trump vowed to make America great again and did exactly that. The Deere Corporation have made a great contribution to farming life. Another useful response, thanks Pat. What actions was it that the President and US Federal Govt took that the markets responded so positively to? Was that the closing rate or did it hit that peak mid-term(ish)? See it doesn’t have to be that hard to get a straight answer. Gotta say though, live the segue into tractors. A nostalgic throwback to a previous persona of yours
*closing rate as in at the end of Trump’s presidency"So if that is the case…. Since the Nasdaq is currently at 16420… give or take a couple of points, do we then Biden credit now?
Or we could look at job creation figures…. More jobs created in Obama’s last 3 years than trump’s first 3….. more jobs created in bidens first 3 than trump’s first 3…..
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" The reason why democrats had not passed a criminal bill was because it was actually not republican policy! This bit is confusing? The Dems didn't pass a bill because it wasn't Rep policy? Are you saying Dems would have passed something that was Rep policy or that Trump went against Rep and passed something that was neither parties policy? Let’s put it this way…. Everyone realises something needed to be done, democrats wanted to go a lot further with reform in general that the republicans did… especially with the scope of what had been achieved with the Brady bill…. So anytime a member much grander bill was proposed looking at criminal justice in general, republicans would oppose it! Think of it like this… buddy (and republicans in general) wants to looks at just the border security…. Democrats want to then look at that within the scope of broader immigration reform Now everyone agrees that something needs to be done regarding immigration.. for example, is there a legal path to immigration for those already there illegally? What do you do about “dreamers” (the children that came here or were born here to people who came to the us illegally… who can in theory work, be in the army ect.. but at the moment have no legal path to citizenship) ect… The first step act was an easy win because it show trump could get something done within the first 100 days that most people could agree on…. That is why Biden for example chose the lily Ledbetter fair pay act for women… which meant women had to be paid the same rate as men for the same role in federal jobs…. Like I said, an easy win because most people can agree… But trying to get a federally mandated legal minimum pay rate act is almost an impossible goal because republican objections Which ties in nicely with what I said in the beginning, NO ONE PERSON CAN GET ANYTHING DONE. Only I was accused of answering without answering "Which brings me back to the first point I made…. Between 2016 and 2018 … trump had a republican majority in both the house and the senate…. You didn’t need democrats to help! So within reason any major legislation could have been passed within reason And he chose the tax cuts! First step act didn’t “need” democratic votes…. Making it bipartisan meant it got through house and senate a lot quicker! Let’s compare that to Biden… senate majority, house minority…. And Biden still managed to get an infrastructure bill through even though 3/4 of the republicans in the house voted against it! Irony being that a shit load of those republicans who voted against it and now crowing about how they brought extra infrastructure money home to their districts as to why they should be voted for in November For example… MTG has a little airport in her district, which has been given money to improve facilities and expand… now she is saying she is the reason they got the money! | |||
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" The reason why democrats had not passed a criminal bill was because it was actually not republican policy! This bit is confusing? The Dems didn't pass a bill because it wasn't Rep policy? Are you saying Dems would have passed something that was Rep policy or that Trump went against Rep and passed something that was neither parties policy? Let’s put it this way…. Everyone realises something needed to be done, democrats wanted to go a lot further with reform in general that the republicans did… especially with the scope of what had been achieved with the Brady bill…. So anytime a member much grander bill was proposed looking at criminal justice in general, republicans would oppose it! Think of it like this… buddy (and republicans in general) wants to looks at just the border security…. Democrats want to then look at that within the scope of broader immigration reform Now everyone agrees that something needs to be done regarding immigration.. for example, is there a legal path to immigration for those already there illegally? What do you do about “dreamers” (the children that came here or were born here to people who came to the us illegally… who can in theory work, be in the army ect.. but at the moment have no legal path to citizenship) ect… The first step act was an easy win because it show trump could get something done within the first 100 days that most people could agree on…. That is why Biden for example chose the lily Ledbetter fair pay act for women… which meant women had to be paid the same rate as men for the same role in federal jobs…. Like I said, an easy win because most people can agree… But trying to get a federally mandated legal minimum pay rate act is almost an impossible goal because republican objections Which ties in nicely with what I said in the beginning, NO ONE PERSON CAN GET ANYTHING DONE. Only I was accused of answering without answering
Which brings me back to the first point I made….
Between 2016 and 2018 … trump had a republican majority in both the house and the senate…. You didn’t need democrats to help! So within reason any major legislation could have been passed within reason
And he chose the tax cuts!
First step act didn’t “need” democratic votes…. Making it bipartisan meant it got through house and senate a lot quicker!
Let’s compare that to Biden… senate majority, house minority…. And Biden still managed to get an infrastructure bill through even though 3/4 of the republicans in the house voted against it!
Irony being that a shit load of those republicans who voted against it and now crowing about how they brought extra infrastructure money home to their districts as to why they should be voted for in November
For example… MTG has a little airport in her district, which has been given money to improve facilities and expand… now she is saying she is the reason they got the money! "Who's comparing? Certainly not me. What you're saying is 'Trump' did actually do some things but because its things you don't see as beneficial then we can just ignore what he did. Go and have a look at the NYT list and see just what he did, but.... MTG is no different to any other politician in that regard, they all take credit where it isn't really due. | |||
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"the democrats have a long history, discrimination, defended s lavery started the civil war founded the kkk, imposed segregation, lynchings fought against the civil rights initiatives of the 1950 60s, and the stench has not changed, in contrast to the 'GOP' republicans, who fought fight against everything the democrats stood and still stand for. But what did Trump achieve? Removed everything the dems put in place, the fight is still on going.
Can you actually list anything? What you are saying seems to contradict what Fabio has said.
The first step act previously posted.
Who cares what Fabio says, the truth will set you free.
John 8:31 32.
Quoting scripture now… how fancy…
Not that it’s shows much…. I think it’s called question avoidance….
I thinking it’s interesting that you quote the bible, when mr trump when after having his troops clear protesters in Washington for a church photo op , held his bible upside down!
answered the question posted, no avoidance, but no response from the poster of my answer I gave twice to the question. Talk about avoidance not on my behalf.
Avoidance or having a life away from the forums and away from Fab perhaps? Saying that your nonsensical answer didn’t really warrant a response and was frankly confusing and I don’t care for riddles. If all you can come up with is undid what the others did, then that doesn’t really amount to a hill of beans.
A detail response you did not ask for did you, all you asked was what did trump do in his tenure of potus while the dems were pulling up paid for fabricated lies of russia, that is without the impeachment they desperately tried to push, I'm not a copy and paste guy like some, I will say again the 'first step act'. They don't like Mr trump because he is not a career politician who plays their game, maybe this country needs some of that, Mr farage is the same the establishment don't like him either, because he gets the job done or is it because he his friends with Mr trump and they don't want the boat rocked. It is desperation from the establishment George Galloway getting back on the bench and the media political outcry should show you that if you care to look.
A far better response with context. Thank you Mr B.
I am not commenting because this wasn’t about whether we agree or proving a point. I was/am just interested on perceptions of his supporters. All opinions are valid.
So if someone does not respond to your demands and supply a copy and paste detailed statement you go off on one and come out with childish pet names and you don't like the Mr either.
Do you look in the mirror.
Have you looked at the 'first step act', I'm guessing no, there are videos on the tube of democrat supporters gushing in delight and agreeing with policy enacted, thinking they are dem policy when they
are in fact enacted rep policy.
Sense of humour bypass Mr B? Oh dear lighten up. After all you are a Trump fan so you can’t take life that seriously surely?
You did go off on one with childish pet names, you do have form for it.
Circle jerk topics are an amusement to read and respond to. "Happy to have form. Nothing wrong with a few childish jokes. Can’t all be long in the tooth Mr B and ultra serious about all this on a swinger website now can we! That would be rather silly. I could say “you started it with your B friend comment” but I won’t…ooops | |||
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