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"Due to his abhorrent words against Diane Abbott? Not convinced the speech was misogynistic or racist, but it was definitely hate speech "she should be sh0t". And with the killing of politicians in recent years, it can definitely be seen as incitement." Would that be the same Diane Abbott who got suspended for racist remarks? OK OK two wrongs and all that, but it's hard to have much sympathy. | |||
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"Due to his abhorrent words against Diane Abbott? Not convinced the speech was misogynistic or racist, but it was definitely hate speech "she should be sh0t". And with the killing of politicians in recent years, it can definitely be seen as incitement." Yes. They should return it. If only to make a strong statement about where they stand. It may or may not have been racially motivated, but it quickly becomes racist. Diane Abbott is a terrible politician, but she deserves to be treated as a human and black women do not need to be judged by her. In the same way that Muslims should not be judged by Islamist terrorists and Chinese people should not be judged by COVID (as we recently saw in the USA). The reality we live in is that groups get judged and stereotyped by high profile members of that group. People from discernable groups do need to be careful because their actions will reflect on their group, and it's no surprise that someone has come out and said it. But that doesn't make such small minded bigotry okay. This kind of thinking is the very kernel at the heart of racism. It's insidious because it starts with a small (often subjective) truth (X is terrible because...) and gets turned into a big lie (therefore all of X's kind are...). In this case, based purely on skin colour. He might not have fully articulated (or possibly even felt) the second step, but his comments will justify others doing so. For that reason, the conservatives should absolutely return the donation and take a strong stand against it. That said, he should be rehabilitated, show contrition, perhaps the money should be donated to a racism awareness charity and he should be brought back into the fold when the time is right. That would actually help to undo and damage and possible bring others back with him. | |||
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"Due to his abhorrent words against Diane Abbott? Not convinced the speech was misogynistic or racist, but it was definitely hate speech "she should be sh0t". And with the killing of politicians in recent years, it can definitely be seen as incitement. Would that be the same Diane Abbott who got suspended for racist remarks? OK OK two wrongs and all that, but it's hard to have much sympathy." ----------------------------- "Makes me want to hate all black women" is the racism red flag, conflating his hatred of Diane Abbott with black women, as though black women are a 'thing'. | |||
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"His words will cost him a lot more An end to his £137,000,000 government contracts is coming later this year. " ------------------------- Hopefully so and his prospects of a knighthood he may well have been hoping for. | |||
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"Due to his abhorrent words against Diane Abbott? Not convinced the speech was misogynistic or racist, but it was definitely hate speech "she should be sh0t". And with the killing of politicians in recent years, it can definitely be seen as incitement. Would that be the same Diane Abbott who got suspended for racist remarks? OK OK two wrongs and all that, but it's hard to have much sympathy. ----------------------------- "Makes me want to hate all black women" is the racism red flag, conflating his hatred of Diane Abbott with black women, as though black women are a 'thing'." in a sense it's nasty towards Abbott, and racist/sexist towards all other black women. Hating someone because they share the same features as someone you dislike is almost close to the definition. Also, there's the issue of introducing shooting of an MP... | |||
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"Due to his abhorrent words against Diane Abbott? Not convinced the speech was misogynistic or racist, but it was definitely hate speech "she should be sh0t". And with the killing of politicians in recent years, it can definitely be seen as incitement. Would that be the same Diane Abbott who got suspended for racist remarks? OK OK two wrongs and all that, but it's hard to have much sympathy. ----------------------------- "Makes me want to hate all black women" is the racism red flag, conflating his hatred of Diane Abbott with black women, as though black women are a 'thing'." This is exactly it. Pretending it wasn’t racist speaks volumes about an individual. | |||
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"Ps... My money is on more to come, and it will cause further Tory embarrassment. " Tory minister said earlier it was racist what was said but Hester isn't a racist.. And they would take another £10 million from him.. They're a bit all over the place on this.. | |||
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"It’s Racist, misogynistic and inciting violence against member of parliament. Should be arrested and charged." If I were him I’d be concerned for my personal safety | |||
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"Due to his abhorrent words against Diane Abbott? Not convinced the speech was misogynistic or racist, but it was definitely hate speech "she should be sh0t". And with the killing of politicians in recent years, it can definitely be seen as incitement. Would that be the same Diane Abbott who got suspended for racist remarks? OK OK two wrongs and all that, but it's hard to have much sympathy." She’s been subjected to horrible racism within her own party for years. Subjected to death threats for years. I’m in complete agreement that her comments are awful. But sorry I’m not ok with us just letting someone be so racist and horrible about her and also Black Women more generally. | |||
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"Due to his abhorrent words against Diane Abbott? Not convinced the speech was misogynistic or racist, but it was definitely hate speech "she should be sh0t". And with the killing of politicians in recent years, it can definitely be seen as incitement. Would that be the same Diane Abbott who got suspended for racist remarks? OK OK two wrongs and all that, but it's hard to have much sympathy. ----------------------------- "Makes me want to hate all black women" is the racism red flag, conflating his hatred of Diane Abbott with black women, as though black women are a 'thing'." It’s racist misogynoir. Simple as that. | |||
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"They shouldn't profit of someone who is quoting racist bile. Didn't he say she should be shot? He should be charged with incitement, Mrs x" Exactly 
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"Due to his abhorrent words against Diane Abbott? Not convinced the speech was misogynistic or racist, but it was definitely hate speech "she should be sh0t". And with the killing of politicians in recent years, it can definitely be seen as incitement." No. Plenty of people, including politicians themselves, have suggested politicians need to be taken out. The same politicians who supported protestors who lit up a parliament building with 'From the river to the sea' are now calling for Hester's arrest. What actually is 'hate' speech? It's a made up construct to curtail free speech. | |||
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"Due to his abhorrent words against Diane Abbott? Not convinced the speech was misogynistic or racist, but it was definitely hate speech "she should be sh0t". And with the killing of politicians in recent years, it can definitely be seen as incitement. No. Plenty of people, including politicians themselves, have suggested politicians need to be taken out. The same politicians who supported protestors who lit up a parliament building with 'From the river to the sea' are now calling for Hester's arrest. What actually is 'hate' speech? It's a made up construct to curtail free speech. " -------------------------- Unfortunately society hasn't yet created an acceptable solution for dealing with the consequences of citizens fully exercising their right to free speech. The use and tone of language can be used deliberately to inflame sensitivities, that's why extremists moan about having it curtailed. | |||
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"Due to his abhorrent words against Diane Abbott? Not convinced the speech was misogynistic or racist, but it was definitely hate speech "she should be sh0t". And with the killing of politicians in recent years, it can definitely be seen as incitement. Would that be the same Diane Abbott who got suspended for racist remarks? OK OK two wrongs and all that, but it's hard to have much sympathy. She’s been subjected to horrible racism within her own party for years. Subjected to death threats for years. I’m in complete agreement that her comments are awful. But sorry I’m not ok with us just letting someone be so racist and horrible about her and also Black Women more generally. " Yes, of course, Hester's words are unacceptable - especially the slur on all black women. Comments like this in 2024 beggar belief. I'm not so sure about Abbott mind, she done her share of race stirring imho. | |||
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"Due to his abhorrent words against Diane Abbott? Not convinced the speech was misogynistic or racist, but it was definitely hate speech "she should be sh0t". And with the killing of politicians in recent years, it can definitely be seen as incitement. No. Plenty of people, including politicians themselves, have suggested politicians need to be taken out. The same politicians who supported protestors who lit up a parliament building with 'From the river to the sea' are now calling for Hester's arrest. What actually is 'hate' speech? It's a made up construct to curtail free speech. -------------------------- Unfortunately society hasn't yet created an acceptable solution for dealing with the consequences of citizens fully exercising their right to free speech. The use and tone of language can be used deliberately to inflame sensitivities, that's why extremists moan about having it curtailed." Could using the term "extremists" "inflame sensitivities"? | |||
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"Ps... My money is on more to come, and it will cause further Tory embarrassment. Tory minister said earlier it was racist what was said but Hester isn't a racist.. And they would take another £10 million from him.. They're a bit all over the place on this.." I’m not violent, I just punch people in the face. | |||
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"Due to his abhorrent words against Diane Abbott? Not convinced the speech was misogynistic or racist, but it was definitely hate speech "she should be sh0t". And with the killing of politicians in recent years, it can definitely be seen as incitement. No. Plenty of people, including politicians themselves, have suggested politicians need to be taken out. The same politicians who supported protestors who lit up a parliament building with 'From the river to the sea' are now calling for Hester's arrest. What actually is 'hate' speech? It's a made up construct to curtail free speech. " So you're fine with it?  | |||
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"Due to his abhorrent words against Diane Abbott? Not convinced the speech was misogynistic or racist, but it was definitely hate speech "she should be sh0t". And with the killing of politicians in recent years, it can definitely be seen as incitement. No. Plenty of people, including politicians themselves, have suggested politicians need to be taken out. The same politicians who supported protestors who lit up a parliament building with 'From the river to the sea' are now calling for Hester's arrest. What actually is 'hate' speech? It's a made up construct to curtail free speech. -------------------------- Unfortunately society hasn't yet created an acceptable solution for dealing with the consequences of citizens fully exercising their right to free speech. The use and tone of language can be used deliberately to inflame sensitivities, that's why extremists moan about having it curtailed." So you're ok with it also? | |||
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. They appear somewhat riddled with people who have highly questionable morality | |||
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"Due to his abhorrent words against Diane Abbott? Not convinced the speech was misogynistic or racist, but it was definitely hate speech "she should be sh0t". And with the killing of politicians in recent years, it can definitely be seen as incitement. No. Plenty of people, including politicians themselves, have suggested politicians need to be taken out. The same politicians who supported protestors who lit up a parliament building with 'From the river to the sea' are now calling for Hester's arrest. What actually is 'hate' speech? It's a made up construct to curtail free speech. So you're fine with it? "I'm not fine with it. He made a crass statement. People like him eventually fall on their own sword. Oh wait, was that 'hate' speech? Did I just incite him to take his own life? | |||
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"Due to his abhorrent words against Diane Abbott? Not convinced the speech was misogynistic or racist, but it was definitely hate speech "she should be sh0t". And with the killing of politicians in recent years, it can definitely be seen as incitement." No, why would they? People who vote Conservative don't give a fuck that the party works in the interests of millionaire racists. | |||
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"The money should be relinquished by the conservatives, if they have any moral scruples . They appear somewhat riddled with people who have highly questionable morality ""if they have any moral scruples" made me lolz  | |||
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"So apparently Hester expressed disdain for a poisonous race baiting old cow? Specifically that she 'should be shot' and that 'looking at her almost made him hate all black women'. A poor choice of words to say publicly but he didn't say them publicly did he? In fact hubby has said things along similar lines in private about a lot of odious MP's , elites, socialites, and activists." When you say similar, you mean… racist? | |||
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"Specifically that she 'should be shot' and that 'looking at her almost made him hate all black women'." You take shouldn't be using quotation marks. Nobody knows what he actually said. The story comes from one person's recollection of an event that happened 5 years ago. | |||
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"Surely if someone said that in any other workplace, they'd have been sacked.. just goes to show how corrupt this government really is.. wouldn't trust sunak as far as I could throw him.. " The guy is a donor not an MP. | |||
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"Specifically that she 'should be shot' and that 'looking at her almost made him hate all black women'. You take shouldn't be using quotation marks. Nobody knows what he actually said. The story comes from one person's recollection of an event that happened 5 years ago." He hasn’t denied saying it. | |||
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" In fact hubby has said things along similar lines in private about a lot of odious MP's , elites, socialites, and activists." --------------------------- What, like "It's like seeing Jacob Rees-Mogg on TV and you just want to hate all white men"? | |||
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" In fact hubby has said things along similar lines in private about a lot of odious MP's , elites, socialites, and activists. --------------------------- What, like "It's like seeing Jacob Rees-Mogg on TV and you just want to hate all white men"?" But you'd get away with saying "... You just want to hate all Tories"  | |||
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"The money should be relinquished by the conservatives, if they have any moral scruples . They appear somewhat riddled with people who have highly questionable morality
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"Specifically that she 'should be shot' and that 'looking at her almost made him hate all black women'. You take shouldn't be using quotation marks. Nobody knows what he actually said. The story comes from one person's recollection of an event that happened 5 years ago." It's wrong to demand repayment of the donation as it was so long ago. But now it's in the public domain, I don't blame Diane for reporting it to the police. | |||
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"Specifically that she 'should be shot' and that 'looking at her almost made him hate all black women'. You take shouldn't be using quotation marks. Nobody knows what he actually said. The story comes from one person's recollection of an event that happened 5 years ago. It's wrong to demand repayment of the donation as it was so long ago. But now it's in the public domain, I don't blame Diane for reporting it to the police." I think this has far reaching consequences for the tories. and the latest comments allegedly made about Indian people. Not a good look in election year | |||
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"“ No room for the Indians’ Frank Hester joked about staff standing on train roof'" Again, one person's recollection of something said years ago. Not an appropriate place to use quotation marks. | |||
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" It's wrong to demand repayment of the donation as it was so long ago. But now it's in the public domain, I don't blame Diane for reporting it to the police." Someone who once aspired to be Home Secretary will need to articulate clearly where she believes that a crime has been committed. | |||
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"I think this has far reaching consequences for the tories. and the latest comments allegedly made about Indian people." I doubt it. I think the vast majority of Tories are dismissing the whole affair as 'just banter' or 'just hyperbole'. The only people getting exercised about it are those that would never have voted Tory anyway. In my opinion, this whole thing will be forgotten in a couple of weeks, and no one will have changed their mind about who they intend to vote for. It might even turn out well for the Tories, as this would be a much bigger story if it had come out in the run-up to an election. This way it'll be old news by the time people have to work out where to put their 'X'. | |||
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"Starmer will hopefully cull Hester’s £137million government contract when he gets in office." Business contracts tend to have exit clauses tightly specified. Cancelling a contract just because you don't like someone is generally frowned upon by the courts. | |||
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"Silence from the seven black conservative MPs Any comment from Helen Grant and Kemmi Badenoch, both implied as ‘hated black women’. " In all fairness, he'd probably say "Kemi just makes me want to love all black women". | |||
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"I think this has far reaching consequences for the tories. and the latest comments allegedly made about Indian people. I doubt it. I think the vast majority of Tories are dismissing the whole affair as 'just banter' or 'just hyperbole'. The only people getting exercised about it are those that would never have voted Tory anyway. In my opinion, this whole thing will be forgotten in a couple of weeks, and no one will have changed their mind about who they intend to vote for. It might even turn out well for the Tories, as this would be a much bigger story if it had come out in the run-up to an election. This way it'll be old news by the time people have to work out where to put their 'X'." This is what I said above. People who vote for the Tories don't give a fuck that the government works for the interests of millionaire racists. | |||
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"Starmer will hopefully cull Hester’s £137million government contract when he gets in office. Business contracts tend to have exit clauses tightly specified. Cancelling a contract just because you don't like someone is generally frowned upon by the courts."
Yes. He paid lots in donations to the government, can't be taking away his contracts now. The whole system would be undermined. | |||
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"When you say similar, you mean… racist? " Can't see how its racist to suggest folk who are the same ethnicity or culture as yourself should be shot? Think you read far to far ahead, don't get yourself in a muddle pumpkin. | |||
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"Specifically that she 'should be shot' and that 'looking at her almost made him hate all black women'. You take shouldn't be using quotation marks. Nobody knows what he actually said. The story comes from one person's recollection of an event that happened 5 years ago." A fair point to be fair. That's the problem when 'he said, she said' bull shit gets blown up. | |||
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"Due to his abhorrent words against Diane Abbott? Not convinced the speech was misogynistic or racist, but it was definitely hate speech "she should be sh0t". And with the killing of politicians in recent years, it can definitely be seen as incitement." It’s much deeper than that though isn’t it? We kind of accept as normal that a person who donates £10,000,000 to the Conservative Party also strangely wins hundreds of millions of pounds worth of NHS Contracts whilst the Conservatives are in office. The Conservative Party should donate the £10,000,000 to anti-racism charities AND take measures to start terminating his companies contracts where possible and notifying them of no renewal where it isn’t possible to cancel. The man is clearly not a fit and proper person to be in charge of companies that control NHS data and racist, mysoginistic hateful people need kicking where it hurts them most. | |||
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"Due to his abhorrent words against Diane Abbott? Not convinced the speech was misogynistic or racist, but it was definitely hate speech "she should be sh0t". And with the killing of politicians in recent years, it can definitely be seen as incitement. Would that be the same Diane Abbott who got suspended for racist remarks? OK OK two wrongs and all that, but it's hard to have much sympathy." ——————————————— “Hard to have much sympathy” Jo cox’s was murdered for being an MP Sir David amiss was murdered for being an MP The phrases “should be shot” and “having a hatred of all black women” are god awful… Racist, misogynist…. Pick your poison Sunaks reply of “well it’s in your party as well “ wasn’t the greatest answer… it’s wasn’t an apology Also I think speaker also bailed out Sunak (and starmer to a point) by not calling on Diane during PMQs… it would have been explosive | |||
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"I think this has far reaching consequences for the tories. and the latest comments allegedly made about Indian people. I doubt it. I think the vast majority of Tories are dismissing the whole affair as 'just banter' or 'just hyperbole'. The only people getting exercised about it are those that would never have voted Tory anyway. In my opinion, this whole thing will be forgotten in a couple of weeks, and no one will have changed their mind about who they intend to vote for. It might even turn out well for the Tories, as this would be a much bigger story if it had come out in the run-up to an election. This way it'll be old news by the time people have to work out where to put their 'X'. This is what I said above. People who vote for the Tories don't give a fuck that the government works for the interests of millionaire racists." It is quite bizarre how many people are prepared to vote for a wealthy 'upper class' elitist minority to rule them. Still, by the time of the election you may even have the choice to vote for the even more right wing leaning Reform with that man of the people Nigel Farage who's so poor Coots tried to close his bank account. Anyway I've decided to campaign for the return of power to the monarchy... | |||
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"Specifically that she 'should be shot' and that 'looking at her almost made him hate all black women'. You take shouldn't be using quotation marks. Nobody knows what he actually said. The story comes from one person's recollection of an event that happened 5 years ago. He hasn’t denied saying it." The Prime Minister said Frank Hester's alleged comments were "wrong" and "racist". So presumably it has been investigated and PM has taken legal advice before confirming that | |||
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"I think this has far reaching consequences for the tories. and the latest comments allegedly made about Indian people. I doubt it. I think the vast majority of Tories are dismissing the whole affair as 'just banter' or 'just hyperbole'. The only people getting exercised about it are those that would never have voted Tory anyway. In my opinion, this whole thing will be forgotten in a couple of weeks, and no one will have changed their mind about who they intend to vote for. It might even turn out well for the Tories, as this would be a much bigger story if it had come out in the run-up to an election. This way it'll be old news by the time people have to work out where to put their 'X'. This is what I said above. People who vote for the Tories don't give a fuck that the government works for the interests of millionaire racists. It is quite bizarre how many people are prepared to vote for a wealthy 'upper class' elitist minority to rule them. Still, by the time of the election you may even have the choice to vote for the even more right wing leaning Reform with that man of the people Nigel Farage who's so poor Coots tried to close his bank account. Anyway I've decided to campaign for the return of power to the monarchy... "As opposed to the worker's paradise in N.Korea and China where you can vote for anybody provided its Kim Jong Un or Xi Jing Ping respectively | |||
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"Hester’s comments follow Johnson’s remarks of calling black people 'piccaninnies' with 'watermelon smiles' “No working class friends’ Sunak is again in denial of the public view of how bad his party is looking to the country." The "watermelon smiles" story blew up in June 2019, shortly before Johnson won the Conservative party leadership election and became Prime Minister, going on to win a "landslide victory" at a general election. These sorts of stories may not be as damaging as you think they are. | |||
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"Silence from the seven black conservative MPs Any comment from Helen Grant and Kemmi Badenoch, both implied as ‘hated black women’. In all fairness, he'd probably say "Kemi just makes me want to love all black women"." -------------------- Which is equally as crass and facile. | |||
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"Hester’s comments follow Johnson’s remarks of calling black people 'piccaninnies' with 'watermelon smiles' “No working class friends’ Sunak is again in denial of the public view of how bad his party is looking to the country. The "watermelon smiles" story blew up in June 2019, shortly before Johnson won the Conservative party leadership election and became Prime Minister, going on to win a "landslide victory" at a general election. These sorts of stories may not be as damaging as you think they are." Again. Agreed. Conservative voters are energised by these kind of racist comments and show up to vote. | |||
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"Ps... My money is on more to come, and it will cause further Tory embarrassment. Tory minister said earlier it was racist what was said but Hester isn't a racist.. And they would take another £10 million from him.. They're a bit all over the place on this.. I’m not violent, I just punch people in the face." Yes.. I'm sure Sunak would be equally excusing if the language has it been attributed to his wife.. Money of course having nothing to do with it.. | |||
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"Hester’s remarks ‘horrific’ but not extremist, says Gove Racist - Sunak Horrific - Gove Silence from the seven black Tory MPs " Kemi Badenoch was the first Tory to say the comment was racist | |||
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"Folk outraged by the 'should be shot' comment need to get broaden their social circles. Lost count that we've heard folk saying Just Stop Oil needed shooting, or some other stupid movement that pisses normal folk off. The news today seems to be suggesting Diane was ignored 45 or 47 times by the speaker. Yet in the very same clip on BBC there is clearly another woman being 'ignored' as well. It's all mass media hyperbole, it's all bull shit, and far too many people keep falling for it." it's careless language in the context of MPs safety concerns. You lose some of your right to be fearful if you don't condone such statements. Abbott being ignored is newsworthy because she was the subject of this. The other women wasn't. That's not to say she should have been heard... But it may a false equivalence to say that it was okay to ignore her because another was ignored too. Imo this is more than just media. The Tory party have used Labours antisemitism past as a sound bite. Therefore this is fair game. Of course you can equally call out the antisemitism as hyperbole, bullshit and a distraction. That's entirely consistent. | |||
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"Due to his abhorrent words against Diane Abbott? Not convinced the speech was misogynistic or racist, but it was definitely hate speech "she should be sh0t". And with the killing of politicians in recent years, it can definitely be seen as incitement. It’s much deeper than that though isn’t it? We kind of accept as normal that a person who donates £10,000,000 to the Conservative Party also strangely wins hundreds of millions of pounds worth of NHS Contracts whilst the Conservatives are in office. The Conservative Party should donate the £10,000,000 to anti-racism charities AND take measures to start terminating his companies contracts where possible and notifying them of no renewal where it isn’t possible to cancel. The man is clearly not a fit and proper person to be in charge of companies that control NHS data and racist, mysoginistic hateful people need kicking where it hurts them most. " Re donation, the £10 million was years after winning the contract. Did he donate before? There are calls from inside the NHS for him not to head up the company that runs SystmOne. Could he be forced to sell his shares or would the NHS be happy if he merely stepped down? SystmOne is over a decade old. To change provider would cost multi millions, if not billions. Not just for the tech but retraining hundreds of thousands of NHS staff. | |||
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"Michael Gove has unveiled a new definition of extremism - as "the promotion or advancement of... violence, hatred or intolerance" He tells the BBC the new definition will help the government "choose its friends wisely" But he declines to say whether alleged comments from Conservative donor Frank Hester about Diane Abbott would meet the new definition" Will it help them choos friends wisely who also promote hatred and intolerance? | |||
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"Silence from the seven black conservative MPs Any comment from Helen Grant and Kemmi Badenoch, both implied as ‘hated black women’. In all fairness, he'd probably say "Kemi just makes me want to love all black women". -------------------- Which is equally as crass and facile. " Exactly. | |||
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"Actual question, not fishing or goading. Someone says "I just love black men. Every since seeing Idris Elba, I've had such a thing for them - I am putty in their hands," vs "I can't stand black women. Every since I saw Diane Abbott, I just get so repulsed by them - they make my skin crawl." Can one be racist without the other being racist?" From the dictionary: "Racism: characterized by or showing prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized." "Against" is probably the key word there. | |||
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"Actual question, not fishing or goading. Someone says "I just love black men. Every since seeing Idris Elba, I've had such a thing for them - I am putty in their hands," vs "I can't stand black women. Every since I saw Diane Abbott, I just get so repulsed by them - they make my skin crawl." Can one be racist without the other being racist?" "From the dictionary: "Racism: characterized by or showing prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized." "Against" is probably the key word there." Your interpretation would suggest that the phrase "I really like white people because they're all so friendly" would be classed as not racist, since it isn't 'against' any group. | |||
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"Actual question, not fishing or goading. Someone says "I just love black men. Every since seeing Idris Elba, I've had such a thing for them - I am putty in their hands," vs "I can't stand black women. Every since I saw Diane Abbott, I just get so repulsed by them - they make my skin crawl." Can one be racist without the other being racist? From the dictionary: "Racism: characterized by or showing prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized." "Against" is probably the key word there. Your interpretation would suggest that the phrase "I really like white people because they're all so friendly" would be classed as not racist, since it isn't 'against' any group." Just to be clear. This is not my interpretation. I referred to the dictionary. | |||
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"Actual question, not fishing or goading. Someone says "I just love black men. Every since seeing Idris Elba, I've had such a thing for them - I am putty in their hands," vs "I can't stand black women. Every since I saw Diane Abbott, I just get so repulsed by them - they make my skin crawl." Can one be racist without the other being racist?" "From the dictionary: "Racism: characterized by or showing prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized." "Against" is probably the key word there." "Your interpretation would suggest that the phrase "I really like white people because they're all so friendly" would be classed as not racist, since it isn't 'against' any group." "Just to be clear. This is not my interpretation. I referred to the dictionary." But you then gave your opinion that 'against' was the important word in the dictionary definition, with the implication that only statements made 'against' a race would be racist. I think that's not true, as my sentence above shows. | |||
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"Actual question, not fishing or goading. Someone says "I just love black men. Every since seeing Idris Elba, I've had such a thing for them - I am putty in their hands," vs "I can't stand black women. Every since I saw Diane Abbott, I just get so repulsed by them - they make my skin crawl." Can one be racist without the other being racist?" I think it would be very weird to find one Black man attractive and then use that as a basis to find all Black men attractive. We’re all different with different features and qualities even though many of us have many similar ones. The second statement is so clearly racist. How can you base hatred of a group on an individual from that group. There isn’t much detail as to the why but people that often express things like being repulsed by a racial group because of one person are assuming that negative qualities are applicable to the entire racial group. And actually I know everyone hates it but when we’re talking about racism, it’s so important to consider power and history. When colleagues of Diane Abbott labelled her an angry woman, that’s a clear reference to a racist trope that has historically been applied to Black women. When people make sweeping statements about Black bodies and they take part in the sexualisation of Black people, they’re knowingly or not, reproducing centuries of racist tropes that have been used to historically brutalise Black people. Essentially I think there’s argument that both may be racist. But the second statement is CLEARLY racist. | |||
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"So is saying “I fancy black men I find them so attractive” not racist but saying “I don’t fancy black men I find them so ugly” racist? In both cases it is being black that is the signifier for the reaction to them. Are ALL negative sentiments related to race racist? Is not fancying someone because of how they look racist? Or is that personal taste based on physicality?" On the finding Black men ugly I think it’s part of a wider context of beauty standards and where Blackness fits into that. I think generally there’s historically been a sense that ‘European features’ are more attractive and desirable. There’s the way that Black women have been masculinised as well. And the way ideas of femininity have excluded Black women. And simultaneously Black women have been hypersexualised for centuries. And for Black men that hyper sexualisation is true also. But also many have spoken on fab about it too but there’s things like having bigger lips or noses that might be more common in Black people traditionally being seen as unattractive physical characteristics. Basically I think it is about history. It’s about power. And it’s about language. How can you find all Black people attractive or unattractive? We look completely different. We are completely different. And also how do certain stereotypes and stereotypical views reproduce historically oppressive ideas about us. | |||
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"Actual question, not fishing or goading. Someone says "I just love black men. Every since seeing Idris Elba, I've had such a thing for them - I am putty in their hands," vs "I can't stand black women. Every since I saw Diane Abbott, I just get so repulsed by them - they make my skin crawl." Can one be racist without the other being racist? From the dictionary: "Racism: characterized by or showing prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized." "Against" is probably the key word there. Your interpretation would suggest that the phrase "I really like white people because they're all so friendly" would be classed as not racist, since it isn't 'against' any group. Just to be clear. This is not my interpretation. I referred to the dictionary. But you then gave your opinion that 'against' was the important word in the dictionary definition, with the implication that only statements made 'against' a race would be racist. I think that's not true, as my sentence above shows. " Good work. | |||
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"So is saying “I fancy black men I find them so attractive” not racist but saying “I don’t fancy black men I find them so ugly” racist? In both cases it is being black that is the signifier for the reaction to them. Are ALL negative sentiments related to race racist? Is not fancying someone because of how they look racist? Or is that personal taste based on physicality? On the finding Black men ugly I think it’s part of a wider context of beauty standards and where Blackness fits into that. I think generally there’s historically been a sense that ‘European features’ are more attractive and desirable. There’s the way that Black women have been masculinised as well. And the way ideas of femininity have excluded Black women. And simultaneously Black women have been hypersexualised for centuries. And for Black men that hyper sexualisation is true also. But also many have spoken on fab about it too but there’s things like having bigger lips or noses that might be more common in Black people traditionally being seen as unattractive physical characteristics. Basically I think it is about history. It’s about power. And it’s about language. How can you find all Black people attractive or unattractive? We look completely different. We are completely different. And also how do certain stereotypes and stereotypical views reproduce historically oppressive ideas about us. " I agree. I think part of the problem is sweeping statements. For example, a white person might generally not be attracted to black men, but that doesn’t mean she can say all black men as she hasn’t met all black men. Also beauty is totally subjective anyway and other factors (should) come into play like personality, intelligence, attitude, humour etc | |||
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"So is saying “I fancy black men I find them so attractive” not racist but saying “I don’t fancy black men I find them so ugly” racist? In both cases it is being black that is the signifier for the reaction to them. Are ALL negative sentiments related to race racist? Is not fancying someone because of how they look racist? Or is that personal taste based on physicality? On the finding Black men ugly I think it’s part of a wider context of beauty standards and where Blackness fits into that. I think generally there’s historically been a sense that ‘European features’ are more attractive and desirable. There’s the way that Black women have been masculinised as well. And the way ideas of femininity have excluded Black women. And simultaneously Black women have been hypersexualised for centuries. And for Black men that hyper sexualisation is true also. But also many have spoken on fab about it too but there’s things like having bigger lips or noses that might be more common in Black people traditionally being seen as unattractive physical characteristics. Basically I think it is about history. It’s about power. And it’s about language. How can you find all Black people attractive or unattractive? We look completely different. We are completely different. And also how do certain stereotypes and stereotypical views reproduce historically oppressive ideas about us. I agree. I think part of the problem is sweeping statements. For example, a white person might generally not be attracted to black men, but that doesn’t mean she can say all black men as she hasn’t met all black men. Also beauty is totally subjective anyway and other factors (should) come into play like personality, intelligence, attitude, humour etc" When someone days they don't want to meet people from a race or they only want to meet from a race, it usually doesn't mean they find everyone in that race unattractive. It most probably means that on an average, they find less people from that race unattractive. Them setting filters in dating apps or mentioning it on fab is usually an attempt to save their time. If you know that you are more attracted towards a Latino on average, it probably makes sense to set a filter or mention that in your profile just so that it saves time. It especially works for people who tend to get lot of attention and are in a position to filter out people. | |||
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"Seems he donated an extra £5million which will be announced in June" I’m sure that’s got absolutely nothing to do with why Tories were so desperate to say “he was wrong but we won’t say why but it wasn’t racist” then “it was racist but he’s not a racist but anyway he’s apologised so it doesn’t matter”. Definitely nothing to do with it at all. | |||
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"Will the whip be returned to Abbott? It will be a rather interesting turn of events if this story from 2019 changes her fortunes. It also seems the BBC are pushing hard to keep the story alive, fascinating. " I plan to vote labour this time. But if they are going back to giving more power to people like her, they will lose my vote. I am pretty sure it would impact the decision of many moderate voters who recently swayed towards Labour. | |||
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"What do you mean by "people like her"?" The ones who play identity politics all the time, like making posts assuming that the BLM protester was killed because she was with BLM or her statement about jews. | |||
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"We need to differentiate between aesthetic beauty and judgement of one's character. There are so many aesthetic attributes that contributes to one's attraction/aversion like height, weight, how hairy they are etc and skin colour is indeed a part of it. I don't think that is racism. Whether someone likes the Asian looks or whether someone doesn't like Asian looks, it doesn't have to do with racism. On the other hand, judging one's character or skills based on race is racism. " I think lots of the stuff written about this would beg to differ. Not liking ‘the Asian looks’ likely does have to do with racism. Racism is far more complex than people on this site often make it. It is often simplified and watered down for some reason despite it being something that has been studied and researched by academics. It’s not an easy or simple concept and the constant oversimplification is exhausting and plays into the gaslighting of people most affected by racism when they talk about their experiences. | |||
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"Will the whip be returned to Abbott? It will be a rather interesting turn of events if this story from 2019 changes her fortunes. It also seems the BBC are pushing hard to keep the story alive, fascinating. " Tory supporters seem to be trying to distract from this by talking about Abbott having the whip returned, fascinating. | |||
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"Due to his abhorrent words against Diane Abbott? Not convinced the speech was misogynistic or racist, but it was definitely hate speech "she should be sh0t". And with the killing of politicians in recent years, it can definitely be seen as incitement." Are you shocked? We're talking about the Tories here. they have no morals at all !! It's all about greed! And encouraging and promoting greed! "Money talks - ethics walks" typical horrible Tories! | |||
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"We need to differentiate between aesthetic beauty and judgement of one's character. There are so many aesthetic attributes that contributes to one's attraction/aversion like height, weight, how hairy they are etc and skin colour is indeed a part of it. I don't think that is racism. Whether someone likes the Asian looks or whether someone doesn't like Asian looks, it doesn't have to do with racism. On the other hand, judging one's character or skills based on race is racism. I think lots of the stuff written about this would beg to differ. Not liking ‘the Asian looks’ likely does have to do with racism. Racism is far more complex than people on this site often make it. It is often simplified and watered down for some reason despite it being something that has been studied and researched by academics. It’s not an easy or simple concept and the constant oversimplification is exhausting and plays into the gaslighting of people most affected by racism when they talk about their experiences. " There really are people who think that unless you say the n or p words then you aren’t being racist. I liken these to the sort of people who ask for proof that Hitler physically killed any Jews. | |||
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"We need to differentiate between aesthetic beauty and judgement of one's character. There are so many aesthetic attributes that contributes to one's attraction/aversion like height, weight, how hairy they are etc and skin colour is indeed a part of it. I don't think that is racism. Whether someone likes the Asian looks or whether someone doesn't like Asian looks, it doesn't have to do with racism. On the other hand, judging one's character or skills based on race is racism. I think lots of the stuff written about this would beg to differ. Not liking ‘the Asian looks’ likely does have to do with racism. Racism is far more complex than people on this site often make it. It is often simplified and watered down for some reason despite it being something that has been studied and researched by academics. It’s not an easy or simple concept and the constant oversimplification is exhausting and plays into the gaslighting of people most affected by racism when they talk about their experiences. There really are people who think that unless you say the n or p words then you aren’t being racist. I liken these to the sort of people who ask for proof that Hitler physically killed any Jews." I suppose not wanting to fuck someone who is a different ethnicity to yourself is discrimination. So much for autonomy over ones body  | |||
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"We need to differentiate between aesthetic beauty and judgement of one's character. There are so many aesthetic attributes that contributes to one's attraction/aversion like height, weight, how hairy they are etc and skin colour is indeed a part of it. I don't think that is racism. Whether someone likes the Asian looks or whether someone doesn't like Asian looks, it doesn't have to do with racism. On the other hand, judging one's character or skills based on race is racism. I think lots of the stuff written about this would beg to differ. Not liking ‘the Asian looks’ likely does have to do with racism. Racism is far more complex than people on this site often make it. It is often simplified and watered down for some reason despite it being something that has been studied and researched by academics. It’s not an easy or simple concept and the constant oversimplification is exhausting and plays into the gaslighting of people most affected by racism when they talk about their experiences. There really are people who think that unless you say the n or p words then you aren’t being racist. I liken these to the sort of people who ask for proof that Hitler physically killed any Jews." Whilst wanting to meet in person, the people who actually did it | |||
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"We need to differentiate between aesthetic beauty and judgement of one's character. There are so many aesthetic attributes that contributes to one's attraction/aversion like height, weight, how hairy they are etc and skin colour is indeed a part of it. I don't think that is racism. Whether someone likes the Asian looks or whether someone doesn't like Asian looks, it doesn't have to do with racism. On the other hand, judging one's character or skills based on race is racism. I think lots of the stuff written about this would beg to differ. Not liking ‘the Asian looks’ likely does have to do with racism. Racism is far more complex than people on this site often make it. It is often simplified and watered down for some reason despite it being something that has been studied and researched by academics. It’s not an easy or simple concept and the constant oversimplification is exhausting and plays into the gaslighting of people most affected by racism when they talk about their experiences. There really are people who think that unless you say the n or p words then you aren’t being racist. I liken these to the sort of people who ask for proof that Hitler physically killed any Jews. I suppose not wanting to fuck someone who is a different ethnicity to yourself is discrimination. So much for autonomy over ones body "Did I say that? | |||
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"We need to differentiate between aesthetic beauty and judgement of one's character. There are so many aesthetic attributes that contributes to one's attraction/aversion like height, weight, how hairy they are etc and skin colour is indeed a part of it. I don't think that is racism. Whether someone likes the Asian looks or whether someone doesn't like Asian looks, it doesn't have to do with racism. On the other hand, judging one's character or skills based on race is racism. I think lots of the stuff written about this would beg to differ. Not liking ‘the Asian looks’ likely does have to do with racism. Racism is far more complex than people on this site often make it. It is often simplified and watered down for some reason despite it being something that has been studied and researched by academics. It’s not an easy or simple concept and the constant oversimplification is exhausting and plays into the gaslighting of people most affected by racism when they talk about their experiences. There really are people who think that unless you say the n or p words then you aren’t being racist. I liken these to the sort of people who ask for proof that Hitler physically killed any Jews. I suppose not wanting to fuck someone who is a different ethnicity to yourself is discrimination. So much for autonomy over ones body
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"We need to differentiate between aesthetic beauty and judgement of one's character. There are so many aesthetic attributes that contributes to one's attraction/aversion like height, weight, how hairy they are etc and skin colour is indeed a part of it. I don't think that is racism. Whether someone likes the Asian looks or whether someone doesn't like Asian looks, it doesn't have to do with racism. On the other hand, judging one's character or skills based on race is racism. I think lots of the stuff written about this would beg to differ. Not liking ‘the Asian looks’ likely does have to do with racism. Racism is far more complex than people on this site often make it. It is often simplified and watered down for some reason despite it being something that has been studied and researched by academics. It’s not an easy or simple concept and the constant oversimplification is exhausting and plays into the gaslighting of people most affected by racism when they talk about their experiences. There really are people who think that unless you say the n or p words then you aren’t being racist. I liken these to the sort of people who ask for proof that Hitler physically killed any Jews. I suppose not wanting to fuck someone who is a different ethnicity to yourself is discrimination. So much for autonomy over ones body
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You responded to something about 'looks' suggesting people think if they don't use certain words then they aren't racist.
I'm not sure why you're confused. "Their point was I think in response to my (broader) point that people don’t have anything beyond a very shallow understanding of racism. They responded with a statement agreeing- people don’t understand it and think that unless you use slurs, it’s not racist. I think funny enough the OP not thinking Hester’s comments are racist kind of supports that | |||
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"We need to differentiate between aesthetic beauty and judgement of one's character. There are so many aesthetic attributes that contributes to one's attraction/aversion like height, weight, how hairy they are etc and skin colour is indeed a part of it. I don't think that is racism. Whether someone likes the Asian looks or whether someone doesn't like Asian looks, it doesn't have to do with racism. On the other hand, judging one's character or skills based on race is racism. I think lots of the stuff written about this would beg to differ. Not liking ‘the Asian looks’ likely does have to do with racism. Racism is far more complex than people on this site often make it. It is often simplified and watered down for some reason despite it being something that has been studied and researched by academics. It’s not an easy or simple concept and the constant oversimplification is exhausting and plays into the gaslighting of people most affected by racism when they talk about their experiences. There really are people who think that unless you say the n or p words then you aren’t being racist. I liken these to the sort of people who ask for proof that Hitler physically killed any Jews. I suppose not wanting to fuck someone who is a different ethnicity to yourself is discrimination. So much for autonomy over ones body
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I'm not sure why you're confused. "So you’re making an assumption. I responded to something about racism being a very complex thing, my comment was to agree and that many people, some of them racists, seem to believe that you have to say something explicitly racist in order to be considered racist. People who defend racism through semantics really aren’t as clever as they think they are, and they show themselves really clearly for what they are. | |||
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"We need to differentiate between aesthetic beauty and judgement of one's character. There are so many aesthetic attributes that contributes to one's attraction/aversion like height, weight, how hairy they are etc and skin colour is indeed a part of it. I don't think that is racism. Whether someone likes the Asian looks or whether someone doesn't like Asian looks, it doesn't have to do with racism. On the other hand, judging one's character or skills based on race is racism. I think lots of the stuff written about this would beg to differ. Not liking ‘the Asian looks’ likely does have to do with racism. Racism is far more complex than people on this site often make it. It is often simplified and watered down for some reason despite it being something that has been studied and researched by academics. It’s not an easy or simple concept and the constant oversimplification is exhausting and plays into the gaslighting of people most affected by racism when they talk about their experiences. There really are people who think that unless you say the n or p words then you aren’t being racist. I liken these to the sort of people who ask for proof that Hitler physically killed any Jews. I suppose not wanting to fuck someone who is a different ethnicity to yourself is discrimination. So much for autonomy over ones body
Did I say that?
You responded to something about 'looks' suggesting people think if they don't use certain words then they aren't racist.
I'm not sure why you're confused.
So you’re making an assumption. I responded to something about racism being a very complex thing, my comment was to agree and that many people, some of them racists, seem to believe that you have to say something explicitly racist in order to be considered racist.
People who defend racism through semantics really aren’t as clever as they think they are, and they show themselves really clearly for what they are."Racism is actually quite simple. If you wanted it to be know you were speaking about complexities, you should have been clear. You had another opportunity when you sent your first response, but clearly chose not to, I can only imagine your reasons for that. | |||
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"We need to differentiate between aesthetic beauty and judgement of one's character. There are so many aesthetic attributes that contributes to one's attraction/aversion like height, weight, how hairy they are etc and skin colour is indeed a part of it. I don't think that is racism. Whether someone likes the Asian looks or whether someone doesn't like Asian looks, it doesn't have to do with racism. On the other hand, judging one's character or skills based on race is racism. I think lots of the stuff written about this would beg to differ. Not liking ‘the Asian looks’ likely does have to do with racism. Racism is far more complex than people on this site often make it. It is often simplified and watered down for some reason despite it being something that has been studied and researched by academics. It’s not an easy or simple concept and the constant oversimplification is exhausting and plays into the gaslighting of people most affected by racism when they talk about their experiences. " On what basis are you claiming that "Not liking ‘the Asian looks’ likely does have to do with racism"? I would like to see those studies where they have analysed people's brains and found the racist neuron signals which are fired when someone doesn't want to date people from a specific race. You are right that it's a complex issue. For the same reason, assuming that it's a matter of racism is wrong. I would prefer taking the stance of innocent until proven guilty. | |||
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"We need to differentiate between aesthetic beauty and judgement of one's character. There are so many aesthetic attributes that contributes to one's attraction/aversion like height, weight, how hairy they are etc and skin colour is indeed a part of it. I don't think that is racism. Whether someone likes the Asian looks or whether someone doesn't like Asian looks, it doesn't have to do with racism. On the other hand, judging one's character or skills based on race is racism. I think lots of the stuff written about this would beg to differ. Not liking ‘the Asian looks’ likely does have to do with racism. Racism is far more complex than people on this site often make it. It is often simplified and watered down for some reason despite it being something that has been studied and researched by academics. It’s not an easy or simple concept and the constant oversimplification is exhausting and plays into the gaslighting of people most affected by racism when they talk about their experiences. There really are people who think that unless you say the n or p words then you aren’t being racist. I liken these to the sort of people who ask for proof that Hitler physically killed any Jews." That's a strawman argument. No one here said that one has to use n or p word to be called a racist. At the same time calling someone's sexual preference to be racist is wrong. This behaviour of branding every lame thing as racism goes against the progress these people claim they are trying to make in the society and also goes against the concept of consent. | |||
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"We need to differentiate between aesthetic beauty and judgement of one's character. There are so many aesthetic attributes that contributes to one's attraction/aversion like height, weight, how hairy they are etc and skin colour is indeed a part of it. I don't think that is racism. Whether someone likes the Asian looks or whether someone doesn't like Asian looks, it doesn't have to do with racism. On the other hand, judging one's character or skills based on race is racism. I think lots of the stuff written about this would beg to differ. Not liking ‘the Asian looks’ likely does have to do with racism. Racism is far more complex than people on this site often make it. It is often simplified and watered down for some reason despite it being something that has been studied and researched by academics. It’s not an easy or simple concept and the constant oversimplification is exhausting and plays into the gaslighting of people most affected by racism when they talk about their experiences. There really are people who think that unless you say the n or p words then you aren’t being racist. I liken these to the sort of people who ask for proof that Hitler physically killed any Jews. I suppose not wanting to fuck someone who is a different ethnicity to yourself is discrimination. So much for autonomy over ones body
Did I say that?
You responded to something about 'looks' suggesting people think if they don't use certain words then they aren't racist.
I'm not sure why you're confused.
So you’re making an assumption. I responded to something about racism being a very complex thing, my comment was to agree and that many people, some of them racists, seem to believe that you have to say something explicitly racist in order to be considered racist.
People who defend racism through semantics really aren’t as clever as they think they are, and they show themselves really clearly for what they are."One has to show behaviour explicitly to prove that they are racist. It could be words or any other action. If you are calling someone racist without evidence, you are following the lines of guilty until proven innocence or basically witch-hunt to be exact. You can't reach a conclusion about something that you cannot observe. | |||
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"We need to differentiate between aesthetic beauty and judgement of one's character. There are so many aesthetic attributes that contributes to one's attraction/aversion like height, weight, how hairy they are etc and skin colour is indeed a part of it. I don't think that is racism. Whether someone likes the Asian looks or whether someone doesn't like Asian looks, it doesn't have to do with racism. On the other hand, judging one's character or skills based on race is racism. I think lots of the stuff written about this would beg to differ. Not liking ‘the Asian looks’ likely does have to do with racism. Racism is far more complex than people on this site often make it. It is often simplified and watered down for some reason despite it being something that has been studied and researched by academics. It’s not an easy or simple concept and the constant oversimplification is exhausting and plays into the gaslighting of people most affected by racism when they talk about their experiences. There really are people who think that unless you say the n or p words then you aren’t being racist. I liken these to the sort of people who ask for proof that Hitler physically killed any Jews. I suppose not wanting to fuck someone who is a different ethnicity to yourself is discrimination. So much for autonomy over ones body
Did I say that?
You responded to something about 'looks' suggesting people think if they don't use certain words then they aren't racist.
I'm not sure why you're confused.
So you’re making an assumption. I responded to something about racism being a very complex thing, my comment was to agree and that many people, some of them racists, seem to believe that you have to say something explicitly racist in order to be considered racist.
People who defend racism through semantics really aren’t as clever as they think they are, and they show themselves really clearly for what they are.
Racism is actually quite simple.
If you wanted it to be know you were speaking about complexities, you should have been clear.
You had another opportunity when you sent your first response, but clearly chose not to, I can only imagine your reasons for that. "Only people who don’t suffer the results of racism on a daily basis think racism is simple. My response was to a comment about racism being complex, I’m sorry you were unable to comprehend that but I don’t think the fault lies with me on the matter. Had I been responding to someone talking about sexual preferences being or not being racist, I would’ve responded directly to that post. Might I suggest you read a little more carefully next time? | |||
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"We need to differentiate between aesthetic beauty and judgement of one's character. There are so many aesthetic attributes that contributes to one's attraction/aversion like height, weight, how hairy they are etc and skin colour is indeed a part of it. I don't think that is racism. Whether someone likes the Asian looks or whether someone doesn't like Asian looks, it doesn't have to do with racism. On the other hand, judging one's character or skills based on race is racism. I think lots of the stuff written about this would beg to differ. Not liking ‘the Asian looks’ likely does have to do with racism. Racism is far more complex than people on this site often make it. It is often simplified and watered down for some reason despite it being something that has been studied and researched by academics. It’s not an easy or simple concept and the constant oversimplification is exhausting and plays into the gaslighting of people most affected by racism when they talk about their experiences. There really are people who think that unless you say the n or p words then you aren’t being racist. I liken these to the sort of people who ask for proof that Hitler physically killed any Jews. I suppose not wanting to fuck someone who is a different ethnicity to yourself is discrimination. So much for autonomy over ones body
Did I say that?
You responded to something about 'looks' suggesting people think if they don't use certain words then they aren't racist.
I'm not sure why you're confused.
So you’re making an assumption. I responded to something about racism being a very complex thing, my comment was to agree and that many people, some of them racists, seem to believe that you have to say something explicitly racist in order to be considered racist.
People who defend racism through semantics really aren’t as clever as they think they are, and they show themselves really clearly for what they are.
Racism is actually quite simple.
If you wanted it to be know you were speaking about complexities, you should have been clear.
You had another opportunity when you sent your first response, but clearly chose not to, I can only imagine your reasons for that.
Only people who don’t suffer the results of racism on a daily basis think racism is simple.
My response was to a comment about racism being complex, I’m sorry you were unable to comprehend that but I don’t think the fault lies with me on the matter. Had I been responding to someone talking about sexual preferences being or not being racist, I would’ve responded directly to that post.
Might I suggest you read a little more carefully next time?""Not liking ‘the Asian looks’ likely does have to do with racism" was in the post you DIRECTLY responded to. Fuck me, this is hard work. How would you know whether I have or have not experienced racism in my life? You're not making assumptions now are you?  | |||
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"We need to differentiate between aesthetic beauty and judgement of one's character. There are so many aesthetic attributes that contributes to one's attraction/aversion like height, weight, how hairy they are etc and skin colour is indeed a part of it. I don't think that is racism. Whether someone likes the Asian looks or whether someone doesn't like Asian looks, it doesn't have to do with racism. On the other hand, judging one's character or skills based on race is racism. I think lots of the stuff written about this would beg to differ. Not liking ‘the Asian looks’ likely does have to do with racism. Racism is far more complex than people on this site often make it. It is often simplified and watered down for some reason despite it being something that has been studied and researched by academics. It’s not an easy or simple concept and the constant oversimplification is exhausting and plays into the gaslighting of people most affected by racism when they talk about their experiences. There really are people who think that unless you say the n or p words then you aren’t being racist. I liken these to the sort of people who ask for proof that Hitler physically killed any Jews. I suppose not wanting to fuck someone who is a different ethnicity to yourself is discrimination. So much for autonomy over ones body
Did I say that?
You responded to something about 'looks' suggesting people think if they don't use certain words then they aren't racist.
I'm not sure why you're confused.
So you’re making an assumption. I responded to something about racism being a very complex thing, my comment was to agree and that many people, some of them racists, seem to believe that you have to say something explicitly racist in order to be considered racist.
People who defend racism through semantics really aren’t as clever as they think they are, and they show themselves really clearly for what they are.
Racism is actually quite simple.
If you wanted it to be know you were speaking about complexities, you should have been clear.
You had another opportunity when you sent your first response, but clearly chose not to, I can only imagine your reasons for that.
Only people who don’t suffer the results of racism on a daily basis think racism is simple.
My response was to a comment about racism being complex, I’m sorry you were unable to comprehend that but I don’t think the fault lies with me on the matter. Had I been responding to someone talking about sexual preferences being or not being racist, I would’ve responded directly to that post.
Might I suggest you read a little more carefully next time?
"Not liking ‘the Asian looks’ likely does have to do with racism" was in the post you DIRECTLY responded to. Fuck me, this is hard work.
How would you know whether I have or have not experienced racism in my life? You're not making assumptions now are you? "Again, you’re struggling with comprehension, I said racism on a daily basis. Hope that makes my post a little easier to understand x | |||
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"We need to differentiate between aesthetic beauty and judgement of one's character. There are so many aesthetic attributes that contributes to one's attraction/aversion like height, weight, how hairy they are etc and skin colour is indeed a part of it. I don't think that is racism. Whether someone likes the Asian looks or whether someone doesn't like Asian looks, it doesn't have to do with racism. On the other hand, judging one's character or skills based on race is racism. I think lots of the stuff written about this would beg to differ. Not liking ‘the Asian looks’ likely does have to do with racism. Racism is far more complex than people on this site often make it. It is often simplified and watered down for some reason despite it being something that has been studied and researched by academics. It’s not an easy or simple concept and the constant oversimplification is exhausting and plays into the gaslighting of people most affected by racism when they talk about their experiences. There really are people who think that unless you say the n or p words then you aren’t being racist. I liken these to the sort of people who ask for proof that Hitler physically killed any Jews. I suppose not wanting to fuck someone who is a different ethnicity to yourself is discrimination. So much for autonomy over ones body
Did I say that?
You responded to something about 'looks' suggesting people think if they don't use certain words then they aren't racist.
I'm not sure why you're confused.
So you’re making an assumption. I responded to something about racism being a very complex thing, my comment was to agree and that many people, some of them racists, seem to believe that you have to say something explicitly racist in order to be considered racist.
People who defend racism through semantics really aren’t as clever as they think they are, and they show themselves really clearly for what they are.
Racism is actually quite simple.
If you wanted it to be know you were speaking about complexities, you should have been clear.
You had another opportunity when you sent your first response, but clearly chose not to, I can only imagine your reasons for that.
Only people who don’t suffer the results of racism on a daily basis think racism is simple.
My response was to a comment about racism being complex, I’m sorry you were unable to comprehend that but I don’t think the fault lies with me on the matter. Had I been responding to someone talking about sexual preferences being or not being racist, I would’ve responded directly to that post.
Might I suggest you read a little more carefully next time?
"Not liking ‘the Asian looks’ likely does have to do with racism" was in the post you DIRECTLY responded to. Fuck me, this is hard work.
How would you know whether I have or have not experienced racism in my life? You're not making assumptions now are you?
Again, you’re struggling with comprehension, I said racism on a daily basis. Hope that makes my post a little easier to understand x"I'll rephrase, are you making an assumption that I don't face racism daily? Seems strange for someone who didn't want assumptions made about them. | |||
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"We need to differentiate between aesthetic beauty and judgement of one's character. There are so many aesthetic attributes that contributes to one's attraction/aversion like height, weight, how hairy they are etc and skin colour is indeed a part of it. I don't think that is racism. Whether someone likes the Asian looks or whether someone doesn't like Asian looks, it doesn't have to do with racism. On the other hand, judging one's character or skills based on race is racism. I think lots of the stuff written about this would beg to differ. Not liking ‘the Asian looks’ likely does have to do with racism. Racism is far more complex than people on this site often make it. It is often simplified and watered down for some reason despite it being something that has been studied and researched by academics. It’s not an easy or simple concept and the constant oversimplification is exhausting and plays into the gaslighting of people most affected by racism when they talk about their experiences. There really are people who think that unless you say the n or p words then you aren’t being racist. I liken these to the sort of people who ask for proof that Hitler physically killed any Jews. I suppose not wanting to fuck someone who is a different ethnicity to yourself is discrimination. So much for autonomy over ones body
Did I say that?
You responded to something about 'looks' suggesting people think if they don't use certain words then they aren't racist.
I'm not sure why you're confused.
So you’re making an assumption. I responded to something about racism being a very complex thing, my comment was to agree and that many people, some of them racists, seem to believe that you have to say something explicitly racist in order to be considered racist.
People who defend racism through semantics really aren’t as clever as they think they are, and they show themselves really clearly for what they are.
Racism is actually quite simple.
If you wanted it to be know you were speaking about complexities, you should have been clear.
You had another opportunity when you sent your first response, but clearly chose not to, I can only imagine your reasons for that.
Only people who don’t suffer the results of racism on a daily basis think racism is simple.
My response was to a comment about racism being complex, I’m sorry you were unable to comprehend that but I don’t think the fault lies with me on the matter. Had I been responding to someone talking about sexual preferences being or not being racist, I would’ve responded directly to that post.
Might I suggest you read a little more carefully next time?
"Not liking ‘the Asian looks’ likely does have to do with racism" was in the post you DIRECTLY responded to. Fuck me, this is hard work.
How would you know whether I have or have not experienced racism in my life? You're not making assumptions now are you?
Again, you’re struggling with comprehension, I said racism on a daily basis. Hope that makes my post a little easier to understand x
I'll rephrase, are you making an assumption that I don't face racism daily?
Seems strange for someone who didn't want assumptions made about them.
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"We need to differentiate between aesthetic beauty and judgement of one's character. There are so many aesthetic attributes that contributes to one's attraction/aversion like height, weight, how hairy they are etc and skin colour is indeed a part of it. I don't think that is racism. Whether someone likes the Asian looks or whether someone doesn't like Asian looks, it doesn't have to do with racism. On the other hand, judging one's character or skills based on race is racism. I think lots of the stuff written about this would beg to differ. Not liking ‘the Asian looks’ likely does have to do with racism. Racism is far more complex than people on this site often make it. It is often simplified and watered down for some reason despite it being something that has been studied and researched by academics. It’s not an easy or simple concept and the constant oversimplification is exhausting and plays into the gaslighting of people most affected by racism when they talk about their experiences. There really are people who think that unless you say the n or p words then you aren’t being racist. I liken these to the sort of people who ask for proof that Hitler physically killed any Jews. I suppose not wanting to fuck someone who is a different ethnicity to yourself is discrimination. So much for autonomy over ones body
Did I say that?
You responded to something about 'looks' suggesting people think if they don't use certain words then they aren't racist.
I'm not sure why you're confused.
So you’re making an assumption. I responded to something about racism being a very complex thing, my comment was to agree and that many people, some of them racists, seem to believe that you have to say something explicitly racist in order to be considered racist.
People who defend racism through semantics really aren’t as clever as they think they are, and they show themselves really clearly for what they are.
Racism is actually quite simple.
If you wanted it to be know you were speaking about complexities, you should have been clear.
You had another opportunity when you sent your first response, but clearly chose not to, I can only imagine your reasons for that.
Only people who don’t suffer the results of racism on a daily basis think racism is simple.
My response was to a comment about racism being complex, I’m sorry you were unable to comprehend that but I don’t think the fault lies with me on the matter. Had I been responding to someone talking about sexual preferences being or not being racist, I would’ve responded directly to that post.
Might I suggest you read a little more carefully next time?
"Not liking ‘the Asian looks’ likely does have to do with racism" was in the post you DIRECTLY responded to. Fuck me, this is hard work.
How would you know whether I have or have not experienced racism in my life? You're not making assumptions now are you?
Again, you’re struggling with comprehension, I said racism on a daily basis. Hope that makes my post a little easier to understand x
I'll rephrase, are you making an assumption that I don't face racism daily?
Seems strange for someone who didn't want assumptions made about them.
Do you face racism daily?"I doubt many in this country people do. | |||
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"We need to differentiate between aesthetic beauty and judgement of one's character. There are so many aesthetic attributes that contributes to one's attraction/aversion like height, weight, how hairy they are etc and skin colour is indeed a part of it. I don't think that is racism. Whether someone likes the Asian looks or whether someone doesn't like Asian looks, it doesn't have to do with racism. On the other hand, judging one's character or skills based on race is racism. I think lots of the stuff written about this would beg to differ. Not liking ‘the Asian looks’ likely does have to do with racism. Racism is far more complex than people on this site often make it. It is often simplified and watered down for some reason despite it being something that has been studied and researched by academics. It’s not an easy or simple concept and the constant oversimplification is exhausting and plays into the gaslighting of people most affected by racism when they talk about their experiences. There really are people who think that unless you say the n or p words then you aren’t being racist. I liken these to the sort of people who ask for proof that Hitler physically killed any Jews. I suppose not wanting to fuck someone who is a different ethnicity to yourself is discrimination. So much for autonomy over ones body
Did I say that?
You responded to something about 'looks' suggesting people think if they don't use certain words then they aren't racist.
I'm not sure why you're confused.
So you’re making an assumption. I responded to something about racism being a very complex thing, my comment was to agree and that many people, some of them racists, seem to believe that you have to say something explicitly racist in order to be considered racist.
People who defend racism through semantics really aren’t as clever as they think they are, and they show themselves really clearly for what they are.
Racism is actually quite simple.
If you wanted it to be know you were speaking about complexities, you should have been clear.
You had another opportunity when you sent your first response, but clearly chose not to, I can only imagine your reasons for that.
Only people who don’t suffer the results of racism on a daily basis think racism is simple.
My response was to a comment about racism being complex, I’m sorry you were unable to comprehend that but I don’t think the fault lies with me on the matter. Had I been responding to someone talking about sexual preferences being or not being racist, I would’ve responded directly to that post.
Might I suggest you read a little more carefully next time?
"Not liking ‘the Asian looks’ likely does have to do with racism" was in the post you DIRECTLY responded to. Fuck me, this is hard work.
How would you know whether I have or have not experienced racism in my life? You're not making assumptions now are you?
Again, you’re struggling with comprehension, I said racism on a daily basis. Hope that makes my post a little easier to understand x
I'll rephrase, are you making an assumption that I don't face racism daily?
Seems strange for someone who didn't want assumptions made about them.
Do you face racism daily?
I doubt many in this country people do. "Do you? | |||
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"We need to differentiate between aesthetic beauty and judgement of one's character. There are so many aesthetic attributes that contributes to one's attraction/aversion like height, weight, how hairy they are etc and skin colour is indeed a part of it. I don't think that is racism. Whether someone likes the Asian looks or whether someone doesn't like Asian looks, it doesn't have to do with racism. On the other hand, judging one's character or skills based on race is racism. I think lots of the stuff written about this would beg to differ. Not liking ‘the Asian looks’ likely does have to do with racism. Racism is far more complex than people on this site often make it. It is often simplified and watered down for some reason despite it being something that has been studied and researched by academics. It’s not an easy or simple concept and the constant oversimplification is exhausting and plays into the gaslighting of people most affected by racism when they talk about their experiences. There really are people who think that unless you say the n or p words then you aren’t being racist. I liken these to the sort of people who ask for proof that Hitler physically killed any Jews. I suppose not wanting to fuck someone who is a different ethnicity to yourself is discrimination. So much for autonomy over ones body
Did I say that?
You responded to something about 'looks' suggesting people think if they don't use certain words then they aren't racist.
I'm not sure why you're confused.
So you’re making an assumption. I responded to something about racism being a very complex thing, my comment was to agree and that many people, some of them racists, seem to believe that you have to say something explicitly racist in order to be considered racist.
People who defend racism through semantics really aren’t as clever as they think they are, and they show themselves really clearly for what they are.
Racism is actually quite simple.
If you wanted it to be know you were speaking about complexities, you should have been clear.
You had another opportunity when you sent your first response, but clearly chose not to, I can only imagine your reasons for that.
Only people who don’t suffer the results of racism on a daily basis think racism is simple.
My response was to a comment about racism being complex, I’m sorry you were unable to comprehend that but I don’t think the fault lies with me on the matter. Had I been responding to someone talking about sexual preferences being or not being racist, I would’ve responded directly to that post.
Might I suggest you read a little more carefully next time?
"Not liking ‘the Asian looks’ likely does have to do with racism" was in the post you DIRECTLY responded to. Fuck me, this is hard work.
How would you know whether I have or have not experienced racism in my life? You're not making assumptions now are you?
Again, you’re struggling with comprehension, I said racism on a daily basis. Hope that makes my post a little easier to understand x
I'll rephrase, are you making an assumption that I don't face racism daily?
Seems strange for someone who didn't want assumptions made about them.
Do you face racism daily?
I doubt many in this country people do.
Do you?"I do. Do you have any data that suggests otherwise? You could just say that you think differently, that's cool. However, it'll show you're colour blindness. | |||
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"We need to differentiate between aesthetic beauty and judgement of one's character. There are so many aesthetic attributes that contributes to one's attraction/aversion like height, weight, how hairy they are etc and skin colour is indeed a part of it. I don't think that is racism. Whether someone likes the Asian looks or whether someone doesn't like Asian looks, it doesn't have to do with racism. On the other hand, judging one's character or skills based on race is racism. I think lots of the stuff written about this would beg to differ. Not liking ‘the Asian looks’ likely does have to do with racism. Racism is far more complex than people on this site often make it. It is often simplified and watered down for some reason despite it being something that has been studied and researched by academics. It’s not an easy or simple concept and the constant oversimplification is exhausting and plays into the gaslighting of people most affected by racism when they talk about their experiences. There really are people who think that unless you say the n or p words then you aren’t being racist. I liken these to the sort of people who ask for proof that Hitler physically killed any Jews. I suppose not wanting to fuck someone who is a different ethnicity to yourself is discrimination. So much for autonomy over ones body
Did I say that?
You responded to something about 'looks' suggesting people think if they don't use certain words then they aren't racist.
I'm not sure why you're confused.
So you’re making an assumption. I responded to something about racism being a very complex thing, my comment was to agree and that many people, some of them racists, seem to believe that you have to say something explicitly racist in order to be considered racist.
People who defend racism through semantics really aren’t as clever as they think they are, and they show themselves really clearly for what they are.
Racism is actually quite simple.
If you wanted it to be know you were speaking about complexities, you should have been clear.
You had another opportunity when you sent your first response, but clearly chose not to, I can only imagine your reasons for that.
Only people who don’t suffer the results of racism on a daily basis think racism is simple.
My response was to a comment about racism being complex, I’m sorry you were unable to comprehend that but I don’t think the fault lies with me on the matter. Had I been responding to someone talking about sexual preferences being or not being racist, I would’ve responded directly to that post.
Might I suggest you read a little more carefully next time?
"Not liking ‘the Asian looks’ likely does have to do with racism" was in the post you DIRECTLY responded to. Fuck me, this is hard work.
How would you know whether I have or have not experienced racism in my life? You're not making assumptions now are you?
Again, you’re struggling with comprehension, I said racism on a daily basis. Hope that makes my post a little easier to understand x
I'll rephrase, are you making an assumption that I don't face racism daily?
Seems strange for someone who didn't want assumptions made about them.
Do you face racism daily?
I doubt many in this country people do.
Do you?
I do. Do you have any data that suggests otherwise?
You could just say that you think differently, that's cool. However, it'll show you're colour blindness. "You face racism daily? | |||
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"We need to differentiate between aesthetic beauty and judgement of one's character. There are so many aesthetic attributes that contributes to one's attraction/aversion like height, weight, how hairy they are etc and skin colour is indeed a part of it. I don't think that is racism. Whether someone likes the Asian looks or whether someone doesn't like Asian looks, it doesn't have to do with racism. On the other hand, judging one's character or skills based on race is racism. I think lots of the stuff written about this would beg to differ. Not liking ‘the Asian looks’ likely does have to do with racism. Racism is far more complex than people on this site often make it. It is often simplified and watered down for some reason despite it being something that has been studied and researched by academics. It’s not an easy or simple concept and the constant oversimplification is exhausting and plays into the gaslighting of people most affected by racism when they talk about their experiences. There really are people who think that unless you say the n or p words then you aren’t being racist. I liken these to the sort of people who ask for proof that Hitler physically killed any Jews. I suppose not wanting to fuck someone who is a different ethnicity to yourself is discrimination. So much for autonomy over ones body
Did I say that?
You responded to something about 'looks' suggesting people think if they don't use certain words then they aren't racist.
I'm not sure why you're confused.
So you’re making an assumption. I responded to something about racism being a very complex thing, my comment was to agree and that many people, some of them racists, seem to believe that you have to say something explicitly racist in order to be considered racist.
People who defend racism through semantics really aren’t as clever as they think they are, and they show themselves really clearly for what they are.
Racism is actually quite simple.
If you wanted it to be know you were speaking about complexities, you should have been clear.
You had another opportunity when you sent your first response, but clearly chose not to, I can only imagine your reasons for that.
Only people who don’t suffer the results of racism on a daily basis think racism is simple.
My response was to a comment about racism being complex, I’m sorry you were unable to comprehend that but I don’t think the fault lies with me on the matter. Had I been responding to someone talking about sexual preferences being or not being racist, I would’ve responded directly to that post.
Might I suggest you read a little more carefully next time?
"Not liking ‘the Asian looks’ likely does have to do with racism" was in the post you DIRECTLY responded to. Fuck me, this is hard work.
How would you know whether I have or have not experienced racism in my life? You're not making assumptions now are you?
Again, you’re struggling with comprehension, I said racism on a daily basis. Hope that makes my post a little easier to understand x
I'll rephrase, are you making an assumption that I don't face racism daily?
Seems strange for someone who didn't want assumptions made about them.
Do you face racism daily?
I doubt many in this country people do.
Do you?
I do. Do you have any data that suggests otherwise?
You could just say that you think differently, that's cool. However, it'll show you're colour blindness.
You face racism daily?"Once again, if that's what you meant by your question, you need to be more clear. I don't but I don't think many others in this country do. You went for the most dramatic statement you could think of when you spoke about 'daily', its clearly moot. | |||
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"We need to differentiate between aesthetic beauty and judgement of one's character. There are so many aesthetic attributes that contributes to one's attraction/aversion like height, weight, how hairy they are etc and skin colour is indeed a part of it. I don't think that is racism. Whether someone likes the Asian looks or whether someone doesn't like Asian looks, it doesn't have to do with racism. On the other hand, judging one's character or skills based on race is racism. I think lots of the stuff written about this would beg to differ. Not liking ‘the Asian looks’ likely does have to do with racism. Racism is far more complex than people on this site often make it. It is often simplified and watered down for some reason despite it being something that has been studied and researched by academics. It’s not an easy or simple concept and the constant oversimplification is exhausting and plays into the gaslighting of people most affected by racism when they talk about their experiences. There really are people who think that unless you say the n or p words then you aren’t being racist. I liken these to the sort of people who ask for proof that Hitler physically killed any Jews. I suppose not wanting to fuck someone who is a different ethnicity to yourself is discrimination. So much for autonomy over ones body
Did I say that?
You responded to something about 'looks' suggesting people think if they don't use certain words then they aren't racist.
I'm not sure why you're confused.
So you’re making an assumption. I responded to something about racism being a very complex thing, my comment was to agree and that many people, some of them racists, seem to believe that you have to say something explicitly racist in order to be considered racist.
People who defend racism through semantics really aren’t as clever as they think they are, and they show themselves really clearly for what they are.
Racism is actually quite simple.
If you wanted it to be know you were speaking about complexities, you should have been clear.
You had another opportunity when you sent your first response, but clearly chose not to, I can only imagine your reasons for that.
Only people who don’t suffer the results of racism on a daily basis think racism is simple.
My response was to a comment about racism being complex, I’m sorry you were unable to comprehend that but I don’t think the fault lies with me on the matter. Had I been responding to someone talking about sexual preferences being or not being racist, I would’ve responded directly to that post.
Might I suggest you read a little more carefully next time?
"Not liking ‘the Asian looks’ likely does have to do with racism" was in the post you DIRECTLY responded to. Fuck me, this is hard work.
How would you know whether I have or have not experienced racism in my life? You're not making assumptions now are you?
Again, you’re struggling with comprehension, I said racism on a daily basis. Hope that makes my post a little easier to understand x
I'll rephrase, are you making an assumption that I don't face racism daily?
Seems strange for someone who didn't want assumptions made about them.
Do you face racism daily?
I doubt many in this country people do.
Do you?
I do. Do you have any data that suggests otherwise?
You could just say that you think differently, that's cool. However, it'll show you're colour blindness.
You face racism daily?
Once again, if that's what you meant by your question, you need to be more clear.
I don't but I don't think many others in this country do. You went for the most dramatic statement you could think of when you spoke about 'daily', its clearly moot. "There are undoubtedly people in this country who suffer due to racism on a daily basis, just because you, a white person, does not it doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. | |||
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"We need to differentiate between aesthetic beauty and judgement of one's character. There are so many aesthetic attributes that contributes to one's attraction/aversion like height, weight, how hairy they are etc and skin colour is indeed a part of it. I don't think that is racism. Whether someone likes the Asian looks or whether someone doesn't like Asian looks, it doesn't have to do with racism. On the other hand, judging one's character or skills based on race is racism. I think lots of the stuff written about this would beg to differ. Not liking ‘the Asian looks’ likely does have to do with racism. Racism is far more complex than people on this site often make it. It is often simplified and watered down for some reason despite it being something that has been studied and researched by academics. It’s not an easy or simple concept and the constant oversimplification is exhausting and plays into the gaslighting of people most affected by racism when they talk about their experiences. There really are people who think that unless you say the n or p words then you aren’t being racist. I liken these to the sort of people who ask for proof that Hitler physically killed any Jews. I suppose not wanting to fuck someone who is a different ethnicity to yourself is discrimination. So much for autonomy over ones body
Did I say that?
You responded to something about 'looks' suggesting people think if they don't use certain words then they aren't racist.
I'm not sure why you're confused.
So you’re making an assumption. I responded to something about racism being a very complex thing, my comment was to agree and that many people, some of them racists, seem to believe that you have to say something explicitly racist in order to be considered racist.
People who defend racism through semantics really aren’t as clever as they think they are, and they show themselves really clearly for what they are.
Racism is actually quite simple.
If you wanted it to be know you were speaking about complexities, you should have been clear.
You had another opportunity when you sent your first response, but clearly chose not to, I can only imagine your reasons for that.
Only people who don’t suffer the results of racism on a daily basis think racism is simple.
My response was to a comment about racism being complex, I’m sorry you were unable to comprehend that but I don’t think the fault lies with me on the matter. Had I been responding to someone talking about sexual preferences being or not being racist, I would’ve responded directly to that post.
Might I suggest you read a little more carefully next time?
"Not liking ‘the Asian looks’ likely does have to do with racism" was in the post you DIRECTLY responded to. Fuck me, this is hard work.
How would you know whether I have or have not experienced racism in my life? You're not making assumptions now are you?
Again, you’re struggling with comprehension, I said racism on a daily basis. Hope that makes my post a little easier to understand x
I'll rephrase, are you making an assumption that I don't face racism daily?
Seems strange for someone who didn't want assumptions made about them.
Do you face racism daily?
I doubt many in this country people do.
Do you?
I do. Do you have any data that suggests otherwise?
You could just say that you think differently, that's cool. However, it'll show you're colour blindness.
You face racism daily?
Once again, if that's what you meant by your question, you need to be more clear.
I don't but I don't think many others in this country do. You went for the most dramatic statement you could think of when you spoke about 'daily', its clearly moot.
There are undoubtedly people in this country who suffer due to racism on a daily basis, just because you, a white person, does not it doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen."You are very picky with words. You want me to adhere to your exact words but don't want to adhere to mine. I said 'I don't think many do'. I didn't say 'no one does'. Now provide the data if its available. Or, as I said, just be honest and say you THINK DIFFERENTLY. | |||
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