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"Jews are not equivalent to Islamists. More equivalent would be Zionists. We see people saying things about Zionists daily, and reminding us that they aren't the same as Jews. " Ok.., "The Zionists have control over the mayor of London and the Zionists have control over London." Mind you the same could be said of Suell Bravermans comments... What would have been the outcry if she had said "The Zionists, the extemists, the anti-Christians are in charge now." Better? | |||
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"So the fall-out from the political fraudster's (Lee Anderson) racist comment continues today with the Conservative Party fracturing down the middle. Odd that those who still refuse to condemn the loutish racism of Lee Anderson's words are still struggling to explain why this comment would be anti-semitic, but his comments were not islamaphobic: "The Jews have control over the mayor of London and the Jews have control over London." Mind you the same could be said of Suell Bravermans comments... What would have been the outcry if she had said "The Jews, the extemists, the anti-Christians are in charge now."" According to one poster on here they do control the world.  | |||
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"Jews are not equivalent to Islamists. More equivalent would be Zionists. We see people saying things about Zionists daily, and reminding us that they aren't the same as Jews. Ok.., "The Zionists have control over the mayor of London and the Zionists have control over London." Mind you the same could be said of Suell Bravermans comments... What would have been the outcry if she had said "The Zionists, the extemists, the anti-Christians are in charge now." Better?" It looks like you are clutching at straws. Its fine to be critical of Zionist and people who support zionism. It wouldn't make you a racist.. Although no doubt their would be people claiming it was antisemitism.. | |||
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"Jews are not equivalent to Islamists. More equivalent would be Zionists. We see people saying things about Zionists daily, and reminding us that they aren't the same as Jews. Ok.., "The Zionists have control over the mayor of London and the Zionists have control over London." Mind you the same could be said of Suell Bravermans comments... What would have been the outcry if she had said "The Zionists, the extemists, the anti-Christians are in charge now." Better?" Nothing wrong with it, as I said, we see it daily. | |||
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"So the fall-out from the political fraudster's (Lee Anderson) racist comment continues today with the Conservative Party fracturing down the middle. Odd that those who still refuse to condemn the loutish racism of Lee Anderson's words are still struggling to explain why this comment would be anti-semitic, but his comments were not islamaphobic: "The Jews have control over the mayor of London and the Jews have control over London." Mind you the same could be said of Suell Bravermans comments... What would have been the outcry if she had said "The Jews, the extemists, the anti-Christians are in charge now."" Why would a comment about religious fundamentalists be racist? | |||
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"So the fall-out from the political fraudster's (Lee Anderson) racist comment continues today with the Conservative Party fracturing down the middle. Odd that those who still refuse to condemn the loutish racism of Lee Anderson's words are still struggling to explain why this comment would be anti-semitic, but his comments were not islamaphobic: "The Jews have control over the mayor of London and the Jews have control over London." Mind you the same could be said of Suell Bravermans comments... What would have been the outcry if she had said "The Jews, the extemists, the anti-Christians are in charge now." Why would a comment about religious fundamentalists be racist?" I wouldn't waste your time. People just throw the term about and can never actually explain why they think it's racist. Just that they believe it is... He also basically said the same about Starmer, as he did about Khan. Is that racist as well or not racist because Starmer is white? | |||
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"So the fall-out from the political fraudster's (Lee Anderson) racist comment continues today with the Conservative Party fracturing down the middle. Odd that those who still refuse to condemn the loutish racism of Lee Anderson's words are still struggling to explain why this comment would be anti-semitic, but his comments were not islamaphobic: "The Jews have control over the mayor of London and the Jews have control over London." Mind you the same could be said of Suell Bravermans comments... What would have been the outcry if she had said "The Jews, the extemists, the anti-Christians are in charge now." Why would a comment about religious fundamentalists be racist?" Islamaphobia is racism Anti- semitism is racism | |||
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"So the fall-out from the political fraudster's (Lee Anderson) racist comment continues today with the Conservative Party fracturing down the middle. Odd that those who still refuse to condemn the loutish racism of Lee Anderson's words are still struggling to explain why this comment would be anti-semitic, but his comments were not islamaphobic: "The Jews have control over the mayor of London and the Jews have control over London." Mind you the same could be said of Suell Bravermans comments... What would have been the outcry if she had said "The Jews, the extemists, the anti-Christians are in charge now."" I have no dog in this fight but could the OP explain to me why Lee Anderson comment were racist. Everyone I ask tell me they were racist but cannot not explain why they are racist. | |||
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"So the fall-out from the political fraudster's (Lee Anderson) racist comment continues today with the Conservative Party fracturing down the middle. Odd that those who still refuse to condemn the loutish racism of Lee Anderson's words are still struggling to explain why this comment would be anti-semitic, but his comments were not islamaphobic: "The Jews have control over the mayor of London and the Jews have control over London." Mind you the same could be said of Suell Bravermans comments... What would have been the outcry if she had said "The Jews, the extemists, the anti-Christians are in charge now." Why would a comment about religious fundamentalists be racist? Islamaphobia is racism Anti- semitism is racism" How is islam or being a muslim connected to race? | |||
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"So the fall-out from the political fraudster's (Lee Anderson) racist comment continues today with the Conservative Party fracturing down the middle. Odd that those who still refuse to condemn the loutish racism of Lee Anderson's words are still struggling to explain why this comment would be anti-semitic, but his comments were not islamaphobic: "The Jews have control over the mayor of London and the Jews have control over London." Mind you the same could be said of Suell Bravermans comments... What would have been the outcry if she had said "The Jews, the extemists, the anti-Christians are in charge now." Why would a comment about religious fundamentalists be racist? Islamaphobia is racism Anti- semitism is racism" You can't be racist towards an Ideology.. Bigoted and prejudice yes.. | |||
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"So the fall-out from the political fraudster's (Lee Anderson) racist comment continues today with the Conservative Party fracturing down the middle. Odd that those who still refuse to condemn the loutish racism of Lee Anderson's words are still struggling to explain why this comment would be anti-semitic, but his comments were not islamaphobic: "The Jews have control over the mayor of London and the Jews have control over London." Mind you the same could be said of Suell Bravermans comments... What would have been the outcry if she had said "The Jews, the extemists, the anti-Christians are in charge now." Why would a comment about religious fundamentalists be racist? Islamaphobia is racism Anti- semitism is racism" You are confusing religion and race. | |||
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"So the fall-out from the political fraudster's (Lee Anderson) racist comment continues today with the Conservative Party fracturing down the middle. Odd that those who still refuse to condemn the loutish racism of Lee Anderson's words are still struggling to explain why this comment would be anti-semitic, but his comments were not islamaphobic: "The Jews have control over the mayor of London and the Jews have control over London." Mind you the same could be said of Suell Bravermans comments... What would have been the outcry if she had said "The Jews, the extemists, the anti-Christians are in charge now." Why would a comment about religious fundamentalists be racist? Islamaphobia is racism Anti- semitism is racism You are confusing religion and race." It just shows how they think, only people with brown skin can be muslim. | |||
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"Jews are not equivalent to Islamists. More equivalent would be Zionists. We see people saying things about Zionists daily, and reminding us that they aren't the same as Jews. " Islamists are Muslims who want to be allowed to live under Islamic laws. Zionists want to invade, ethnically cleanse and kill the Children of Goyim | |||
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"Jews are not equivalent to Islamists. More equivalent would be Zionists. We see people saying things about Zionists daily, and reminding us that they aren't the same as Jews. Islamists are Muslims who want to be allowed to live under Islamic laws. Zionists want to invade, ethnically cleanse and kill the Children of Goyim" Weren’t ISIS Islamists? Wasn’t their aim to create a new caliphate regardless of who already lived on the land? | |||
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"Jews are not equivalent to Islamists. More equivalent would be Zionists. We see people saying things about Zionists daily, and reminding us that they aren't the same as Jews. Islamists are Muslims who want to be allowed to live under Islamic laws. Zionists want to invade, ethnically cleanse and kill the Children of Goyim" Neither Islamism nor Zionism is as you describe. | |||
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"Jews are not equivalent to Islamists. More equivalent would be Zionists. We see people saying things about Zionists daily, and reminding us that they aren't the same as Jews. Islamists are Muslims who want to be allowed to live under Islamic laws. Zionists want to invade, ethnically cleanse and kill the Children of Goyim" A Caliphate? | |||
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"Jews are not equivalent to Islamists. More equivalent would be Zionists. We see people saying things about Zionists daily, and reminding us that they aren't the same as Jews. Islamists are Muslims who want to be allowed to live under Islamic laws. Zionists want to invade, ethnically cleanse and kill the Children of Goyim Weren’t ISIS Islamists? Wasn’t their aim to create a new caliphate regardless of who already lived on the land?" If we are that stupid, we also believe any pirates who had the English flag on their ship, they're English navy. ISIS was mass murdering Muslims, not western invaders. | |||
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"Jews are not equivalent to Islamists. More equivalent would be Zionists. We see people saying things about Zionists daily, and reminding us that they aren't the same as Jews. Islamists are Muslims who want to be allowed to live under Islamic laws. Zionists want to invade, ethnically cleanse and kill the Children of Goyim Weren’t ISIS Islamists? Wasn’t their aim to create a new caliphate regardless of who already lived on the land? If we are that stupid, we also believe any pirates who had the English flag on their ship, they're English navy. ISIS was mass murdering Muslims, not western invaders. " So are ISIS Islamists or not? | |||
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"Jews are not equivalent to Islamists. More equivalent would be Zionists. We see people saying things about Zionists daily, and reminding us that they aren't the same as Jews. Islamists are Muslims who want to be allowed to live under Islamic laws. Zionists want to invade, ethnically cleanse and kill the Children of Goyim Weren’t ISIS Islamists? Wasn’t their aim to create a new caliphate regardless of who already lived on the land? If we are that stupid, we also believe any pirates who had the English flag on their ship, they're English navy. ISIS was mass murdering Muslims, not western invaders. " Are we that stupid we cannot see that ISIS fit the definition of being Islamists? | |||
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" If we are that stupid, we also believe any pirates who had the English flag on their ship, they're English navy. ISIS was mass murdering Muslims, not western invaders. " No true Scotsman would ever do that! | |||
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" So are ISIS Islamists or not?" If we exclude groups that kill lots of Muslims, then nowhere in the Middle East would fit the description of Islamist  | |||
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"Jews are not equivalent to Islamists. More equivalent would be Zionists. We see people saying things about Zionists daily, and reminding us that they aren't the same as Jews. Islamists are Muslims who want to be allowed to live under Islamic laws. Zionists want to invade, ethnically cleanse and kill the Children of Goyim Weren’t ISIS Islamists? Wasn’t their aim to create a new caliphate regardless of who already lived on the land? If we are that stupid, we also believe any pirates who had the English flag on their ship, they're English navy. ISIS was mass murdering Muslims, not western invaders. So are ISIS Islamists or not?" Everything they did was anti Islamic and anti Islamic law! How does that make them Islamists?! You're confusing terrorism with Islam. | |||
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"Jews are not equivalent to Islamists. More equivalent would be Zionists. We see people saying things about Zionists daily, and reminding us that they aren't the same as Jews. Islamists are Muslims who want to be allowed to live under Islamic laws. Zionists want to invade, ethnically cleanse and kill the Children of Goyim" That is not the definition of Zionism. Its just as bad as some idiot coming on here equating Islamism directly to terrorism. Pretty bigoted statement you just made. | |||
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"Jews are not equivalent to Islamists. More equivalent would be Zionists. We see people saying things about Zionists daily, and reminding us that they aren't the same as Jews. Islamists are Muslims who want to be allowed to live under Islamic laws. Zionists want to invade, ethnically cleanse and kill the Children of Goyim Weren’t ISIS Islamists? Wasn’t their aim to create a new caliphate regardless of who already lived on the land? If we are that stupid, we also believe any pirates who had the English flag on their ship, they're English navy. ISIS was mass murdering Muslims, not western invaders. So are ISIS Islamists or not? Everything they did was anti Islamic and anti Islamic law! How does that make them Islamists?! You're confusing terrorism with Islam. " You're even further gone than I realised  | |||
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" So are ISIS Islamists or not? If we exclude groups that kill lots of Muslims, then nowhere in the Middle East would fit the description of Islamist "How can one have a civilised exchange with someone charged with bigotry and prejudice | |||
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" So are ISIS Islamists or not? If we exclude groups that kill lots of Muslims, then nowhere in the Middle East would fit the description of Islamist
How can one have a civilised exchange with someone charged with bigotry and prejudice "Prove that statement wrong. | |||
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"Jews are not equivalent to Islamists. More equivalent would be Zionists. We see people saying things about Zionists daily, and reminding us that they aren't the same as Jews. Islamists are Muslims who want to be allowed to live under Islamic laws. Zionists want to invade, ethnically cleanse and kill the Children of Goyim That is not the definition of Zionism. Its just as bad as some idiot coming on here equating Islamism directly to terrorism. Pretty bigoted statement you just made." That's exactly what they have been doing for the past 75 years. You haven't watched the news in the past 5 months? | |||
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"I struggle with why it's racist. Bit also I struggle with anti semetic being called racism. " Antisemitism can be a little bit more complicated as the word "Jew" can be used interchangeably for a religion and a race of people. There isn't a separate word like for example Muslim and arab | |||
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"Jews are not equivalent to Islamists. More equivalent would be Zionists. We see people saying things about Zionists daily, and reminding us that they aren't the same as Jews. Islamists are Muslims who want to be allowed to live under Islamic laws. Zionists want to invade, ethnically cleanse and kill the Children of Goyim Weren’t ISIS Islamists? Wasn’t their aim to create a new caliphate regardless of who already lived on the land? If we are that stupid, we also believe any pirates who had the English flag on their ship, they're English navy. ISIS was mass murdering Muslims, not western invaders. So are ISIS Islamists or not? Everything they did was anti Islamic and anti Islamic law! How does that make them Islamists?! You're confusing terrorism with Islam. " They wanted a Caliphate, one of their stated aims.. They were as are Boko Haran followers of the very extreme parts of their holy book.. As others have stated all of the holy books pretty much have extreme parts.. Isis are/were Muslims.. | |||
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"I struggle with why it's racist. Bit also I struggle with anti semetic being called racism. Antisemitism can be a little bit more complicated as the word "Jew" can be used interchangeably for a religion and a race of people. There isn't a separate word like for example Muslim and arab" It’s even more complicated than that as Jews are not a race. | |||
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"Jews are not equivalent to Islamists. More equivalent would be Zionists. We see people saying things about Zionists daily, and reminding us that they aren't the same as Jews. Islamists are Muslims who want to be allowed to live under Islamic laws. Zionists want to invade, ethnically cleanse and kill the Children of Goyim Weren’t ISIS Islamists? Wasn’t their aim to create a new caliphate regardless of who already lived on the land? If we are that stupid, we also believe any pirates who had the English flag on their ship, they're English navy. ISIS was mass murdering Muslims, not western invaders. So are ISIS Islamists or not? Everything they did was anti Islamic and anti Islamic law! How does that make them Islamists?! You're confusing terrorism with Islam. " Everything they terrorised was in the name of their Islamist fundamentalism and under Sharia law. | |||
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"I struggle with why it's racist. Bit also I struggle with anti semetic being called racism. Antisemitism can be a little bit more complicated as the word "Jew" can be used interchangeably for a religion and a race of people. There isn't a separate word like for example Muslim and arab It’s even more complicated than that as Jews are not a race." They are a race of people. The term is Askenazi Jew. "Because of its relative isolation over many centuries the Ashkenazi population, which accounts for most of the world's Jews today, is also known to have accumulated some 20 recessive hereditary disorders (such as Tay–Sachs disease) that are rarely found in other populations." | |||
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"This is interesting… “So if Islam is a faith, then what is Islamism? It can be best described as an "anti-" ideology, in the sense that it defines itself only in opposition to things. That is, Islamism stands not for but against. For starters, Islamism is anti-Semitic in promoting the view that Jews are evil. Because Jews live in Israel, it is also anti-Israeli, and it is also anti-American due to its distorted view of Jews' role in the United States. "Jews are evil, they run America, therefore America is evil" -- this is the mantra of Islamist thinking. Islamism is also anti-Christian, having a perverted view of the religion as well. And since Jews and Christians live in the West, many Islamists are anti-Western. They likewise oppose liberal democracy and secularism, as these institutions originated in the West. What is more, Islamists tend to be anti-capitalist because -- now you follow the logic -- capitalism originates from the West. Many also believe that "Jews invented capitalism" and therefore see capitalism as doubly evil. When they make money, however, Islamists often soften their negative attitude toward capitalism, anti-capitalism being ever the corruptible link in the Islamists' "anti-" ideology.”" Where is the prefix "anti" in the word Islamism? Islamism is not an ideology adopted by Muslims. It's a derogatory name invented in the whitehouse in Washington, to demonise Political parties in the Muslim countries that hold Islamic values. They didn't call the far right Western politicians Christianists. Or Benjamin Nanayahu Judaist. It's 100% an Islamophobic terminology used by Islamophobs to avoid being accused of Islamop | |||
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"I struggle with why it's racist. Bit also I struggle with anti semetic being called racism. Antisemitism can be a little bit more complicated as the word "Jew" can be used interchangeably for a religion and a race of people. There isn't a separate word like for example Muslim and arab" Jew is someone who practises Judaism. Judaism is world wide and many races of people practice Judaism. | |||
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"I struggle with why it's racist. Bit also I struggle with anti semetic being called racism. Antisemitism can be a little bit more complicated as the word "Jew" can be used interchangeably for a religion and a race of people. There isn't a separate word like for example Muslim and arab It’s even more complicated than that as Jews are not a race. They are a race of people. The term is Askenazi Jew. "Because of its relative isolation over many centuries the Ashkenazi population, which accounts for most of the world's Jews today, is also known to have accumulated some 20 recessive hereditary disorders (such as Tay–Sachs disease) that are rarely found in other populations."" Indeed but they are not the only Jews. | |||
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"I struggle with why it's racist. Bit also I struggle with anti semetic being called racism. Antisemitism can be a little bit more complicated as the word "Jew" can be used interchangeably for a religion and a race of people. There isn't a separate word like for example Muslim and arab It’s even more complicated than that as Jews are not a race." The origin of the term anti-Semitism was designed to denote "race" as a scientific reason for hating a particular group of people (i.e. Semites are racially inferior to Caucasians). Those people were not necessarily of a homogenous "race" but it included those who were born to Jews, or children of Jews, whether or not they were at all affiliated with, or subscribed to, Judaism. Outside of it's xenophobic Germanic origins, it's an odd term indeed. Nevertheless, there is prejudice towards both believers in Judaism and those born to Jews, so it still has some utility. Is it racism? Who knows. It's definitely a form of bigotry. | |||
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"This is interesting… “So if Islam is a faith, then what is Islamism? It can be best described as an "anti-" ideology, in the sense that it defines itself only in opposition to things. That is, Islamism stands not for but against. For starters, Islamism is anti-Semitic in promoting the view that Jews are evil. Because Jews live in Israel, it is also anti-Israeli, and it is also anti-American due to its distorted view of Jews' role in the United States. "Jews are evil, they run America, therefore America is evil" -- this is the mantra of Islamist thinking. Islamism is also anti-Christian, having a perverted view of the religion as well. And since Jews and Christians live in the West, many Islamists are anti-Western. They likewise oppose liberal democracy and secularism, as these institutions originated in the West. What is more, Islamists tend to be anti-capitalist because -- now you follow the logic -- capitalism originates from the West. Many also believe that "Jews invented capitalism" and therefore see capitalism as doubly evil. When they make money, however, Islamists often soften their negative attitude toward capitalism, anti-capitalism being ever the corruptible link in the Islamists' "anti-" ideology.” Where is the prefix "anti" in the word Islamism? Islamism is not an ideology adopted by Muslims. It's a derogatory name invented in the whitehouse in Washington, to demonise Political parties in the Muslim countries that hold Islamic values. They didn't call the far right Western politicians Christianists. Or Benjamin Nanayahu Judaist. It's 100% an Islamophobic terminology used by Islamophobs to avoid being accused of Islamop" So by your logic people could just say Islamaphobia is a made up word? Made up by left wing politicians to demonise anyone who is critical of Islam? | |||
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"Jews are not equivalent to Islamists. More equivalent would be Zionists. We see people saying things about Zionists daily, and reminding us that they aren't the same as Jews. Islamists are Muslims who want to be allowed to live under Islamic laws. Zionists want to invade, ethnically cleanse and kill the Children of Goyim Weren’t ISIS Islamists? Wasn’t their aim to create a new caliphate regardless of who already lived on the land? If we are that stupid, we also believe any pirates who had the English flag on their ship, they're English navy. ISIS was mass murdering Muslims, not western invaders. So are ISIS Islamists or not? Everything they did was anti Islamic and anti Islamic law! How does that make them Islamists?! You're confusing terrorism with Islam. They wanted a Caliphate, one of their stated aims.. They were as are Boko Haran followers of the very extreme parts of their holy book.. As others have stated all of the holy books pretty much have extreme parts.. Isis are/were Muslims.." They're not Muslims. The vast majority of 2 billion Muslims look at them as amongst the worst enemies of Islam. Every Schol | |||
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"This is interesting… “So if Islam is a faith, then what is Islamism? It can be best described as an "anti-" ideology, in the sense that it defines itself only in opposition to things. That is, Islamism stands not for but against. For starters, Islamism is anti-Semitic in promoting the view that Jews are evil. Because Jews live in Israel, it is also anti-Israeli, and it is also anti-American due to its distorted view of Jews' role in the United States. "Jews are evil, they run America, therefore America is evil" -- this is the mantra of Islamist thinking. Islamism is also anti-Christian, having a perverted view of the religion as well. And since Jews and Christians live in the West, many Islamists are anti-Western. They likewise oppose liberal democracy and secularism, as these institutions originated in the West. What is more, Islamists tend to be anti-capitalist because -- now you follow the logic -- capitalism originates from the West. Many also believe that "Jews invented capitalism" and therefore see capitalism as doubly evil. When they make money, however, Islamists often soften their negative attitude toward capitalism, anti-capitalism being ever the corruptible link in the Islamists' "anti-" ideology.” Where is the prefix "anti" in the word Islamism? Islamism is not an ideology adopted by Muslims. It's a derogatory name invented in the whitehouse in Washington, to demonise Political parties in the Muslim countries that hold Islamic values. They didn't call the far right Western politicians Christianists. Or Benjamin Nanayahu Judaist. It's 100% an Islamophobic terminology used by Islamophobs to avoid being accused of Islamop" But surely we can agree that there are extremists in all religions. With regards to Islam they are normally labelled Islamists. | |||
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"Jews are not equivalent to Islamists. More equivalent would be Zionists. We see people saying things about Zionists daily, and reminding us that they aren't the same as Jews. Islamists are Muslims who want to be allowed to live under Islamic laws. Zionists want to invade, ethnically cleanse and kill the Children of Goyim Weren’t ISIS Islamists? Wasn’t their aim to create a new caliphate regardless of who already lived on the land? If we are that stupid, we also believe any pirates who had the English flag on their ship, they're English navy. ISIS was mass murdering Muslims, not western invaders. So are ISIS Islamists or not? Everything they did was anti Islamic and anti Islamic law! How does that make them Islamists?! You're confusing terrorism with Islam. They wanted a Caliphate, one of their stated aims.. They were as are Boko Haran followers of the very extreme parts of their holy book.. As others have stated all of the holy books pretty much have extreme parts.. Isis are/were Muslims.. They're not Muslims. The vast majority of 2 billion Muslims look at them as amongst the worst enemies of Islam. Every Schol" We know that Muslims criticised and were rightly scared of ISIS. But how would ISIS describe themselves? Pretty sure they call themselves Muslims? | |||
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" So are ISIS Islamists or not? Everything they did was anti Islamic and anti Islamic law! How does that make them Islamists?! You're confusing terrorism with Islam. " Look. Genuine offer here. Let's take the term Islamist off the table. You don't like Isis. Nobody on here likes Isis. Can we agree that the kind of group that Isis is, their aims and perversion of Islamic values and doctrine is abhorrent and should be eradicated? | |||
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"Jews are not equivalent to Islamists. More equivalent would be Zionists. We see people saying things about Zionists daily, and reminding us that they aren't the same as Jews. Islamists are Muslims who want to be allowed to live under Islamic laws. Zionists want to invade, ethnically cleanse and kill the Children of Goyim Weren’t ISIS Islamists? Wasn’t their aim to create a new caliphate regardless of who already lived on the land? If we are that stupid, we also believe any pirates who had the English flag on their ship, they're English navy. ISIS was mass murdering Muslims, not western invaders. So are ISIS Islamists or not? Everything they did was anti Islamic and anti Islamic law! How does that make them Islamists?! You're confusing terrorism with Islam. They wanted a Caliphate, one of their stated aims.. They were as are Boko Haran followers of the very extreme parts of their holy book.. As others have stated all of the holy books pretty much have extreme parts.. Isis are/were Muslims.. They're not Muslims. The vast majority of 2 billion Muslims look at them as amongst the worst enemies of Islam. Every Schol" They are, they like the Catholic and Protestant terrorists were also not wanted by those on all sides who wanted peace.. Yes, scholars condemn them but like any extremist they hide behind a banner and they wanted a Caliphate that's simply fact.. Despite being (like others) barbaric murderers.. | |||
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"This is interesting… “So if Islam is a faith, then what is Islamism? It can be best described as an "anti-" ideology, in the sense that it defines itself only in opposition to things. That is, Islamism stands not for but against. For starters, Islamism is anti-Semitic in promoting the view that Jews are evil. Because Jews live in Israel, it is also anti-Israeli, and it is also anti-American due to its distorted view of Jews' role in the United States. "Jews are evil, they run America, therefore America is evil" -- this is the mantra of Islamist thinking. Islamism is also anti-Christian, having a perverted view of the religion as well. And since Jews and Christians live in the West, many Islamists are anti-Western. They likewise oppose liberal democracy and secularism, as these institutions originated in the West. What is more, Islamists tend to be anti-capitalist because -- now you follow the logic -- capitalism originates from the West. Many also believe that "Jews invented capitalism" and therefore see capitalism as doubly evil. When they make money, however, Islamists often soften their negative attitude toward capitalism, anti-capitalism being ever the corruptible link in the Islamists' "anti-" ideology.” Where is the prefix "anti" in the word Islamism? Islamism is not an ideology adopted by Muslims. It's a derogatory name invented in the whitehouse in Washington, to demonise Political parties in the Muslim countries that hold Islamic values. They didn't call the far right Western politicians Christianists. Or Benjamin Nanayahu Judaist. It's 100% an Islamophobic terminology used by Islamophobs to avoid being accused of Islamop So by your logic people could just say Islamaphobia is a made up word? Made up by left wing politicians to demonise anyone who is critical of Islam?" Islamophobia is a very real phenomena, it's a widespread bigotry in the west created by 100's of years of Church crusading propaganda, and came back to life after the fall of communism when the western war machine needed a new enemy/boogie man. | |||
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"Would add for clarity they 'Isis' are a minority within their faith, as are/ were others who follow different faiths.. EG, I can and will condemn Harold Shipman and Lucy Letby but they do not represent the whole of their chosen professions.." #notallmuslims 
I'm not sure anyone I'd saying ISIS are representive of the majority.
But they say the are islamic and are doing what they do because of how their faith.
Noone would say Shipman acted because he was a doctor and acting as a doctor.
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"Would add for clarity they 'Isis' are a minority within their faith, as are/ were others who follow different faiths.. EG, I can and will condemn Harold Shipman and Lucy Letby but they do not represent the whole of their chosen professions..#notallmuslims
I'm not sure anyone I'd saying ISIS are representive of the majority.
But they say the are islamic and are doing what they do because of how their faith.
Noone would say Shipman acted because he was a doctor and acting as a doctor.
"He didn't no, but his ability to carry out his crimes to the extent of and how he did was down to the fact he was a doctor.. Terrorists hide in their community, they do so in plain site but for those looking from the outside with a view to stopping them that they are amongst their own albeit using fear etc not being seen make the task of getting them very hard.. As Israel are finding now and how it will be in future.. | |||
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"Jews are not equivalent to Islamists. More equivalent would be Zionists. We see people saying things about Zionists daily, and reminding us that they aren't the same as Jews. Islamists are Muslims who want to be allowed to live under Islamic laws. Zionists want to invade, ethnically cleanse and kill the Children of Goyim Weren’t ISIS Islamists? Wasn’t their aim to create a new caliphate regardless of who already lived on the land? If we are that stupid, we also believe any pirates who had the English flag on their ship, they're English navy. ISIS was mass murdering Muslims, not western invaders. So are ISIS Islamists or not? Everything they did was anti Islamic and anti Islamic law! How does that make them Islamists?! You're confusing terrorism with Islam. They wanted a Caliphate, one of their stated aims.. They were as are Boko Haran followers of the very extreme parts of their holy book.. As others have stated all of the holy books pretty much have extreme parts.. Isis are/were Muslims.. They're not Muslims. The vast majority of 2 billion Muslims look at them as amongst the worst enemies of Islam. Every Schol We know that Muslims criticised and were rightly scared of ISIS. But how would ISIS describe themselves? Pretty sure they call themselves Muslims?" So did the Pirates that raised the English flags when they were ready to plunder and take sclaves on the shores of the UK | |||
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"Jews are not equivalent to Islamists. More equivalent would be Zionists. We see people saying things about Zionists daily, and reminding us that they aren't the same as Jews. Islamists are Muslims who want to be allowed to live under Islamic laws. Zionists want to invade, ethnically cleanse and kill the Children of Goyim Weren’t ISIS Islamists? Wasn’t their aim to create a new caliphate regardless of who already lived on the land? If we are that stupid, we also believe any pirates who had the English flag on their ship, they're English navy. ISIS was mass murdering Muslims, not western invaders. So are ISIS Islamists or not? Everything they did was anti Islamic and anti Islamic law! How does that make them Islamists?! You're confusing terrorism with Islam. They wanted a Caliphate, one of their stated aims.. They were as are Boko Haran followers of the very extreme parts of their holy book.. As others have stated all of the holy books pretty much have extreme parts.. Isis are/were Muslims.. They're not Muslims. The vast majority of 2 billion Muslims look at them as amongst the worst enemies of Islam. Every Schol We know that Muslims criticised and were rightly scared of ISIS. But how would ISIS describe themselves? Pretty sure they call themselves Muslims? So did the Pirates that raised the English flags when they were ready to plunder and take sclaves on the shores of the UK" Moving back to the subject, what did you think of Anderson's comments? | |||
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"Jews are not equivalent to Islamists. More equivalent would be Zionists. We see people saying things about Zionists daily, and reminding us that they aren't the same as Jews. Islamists are Muslims who want to be allowed to live under Islamic laws. Zionists want to invade, ethnically cleanse and kill the Children of Goyim Weren’t ISIS Islamists? Wasn’t their aim to create a new caliphate regardless of who already lived on the land? If we are that stupid, we also believe any pirates who had the English flag on their ship, they're English navy. ISIS was mass murdering Muslims, not western invaders. So are ISIS Islamists or not? Everything they did was anti Islamic and anti Islamic law! How does that make them Islamists?! You're confusing terrorism with Islam. They wanted a Caliphate, one of their stated aims.. They were as are Boko Haran followers of the very extreme parts of their holy book.. As others have stated all of the holy books pretty much have extreme parts.. Isis are/were Muslims.. They're not Muslims. The vast majority of 2 billion Muslims look at them as amongst the worst enemies of Islam. Every Schol We know that Muslims criticised and were rightly scared of ISIS. But how would ISIS describe themselves? Pretty sure they call themselves Muslims? So did the Pirates that raised the English flags when they were ready to plunder and take sclaves on the shores of the UK" Aren’t you the chap who got his knickers in a twist for bringing up history? And for clarity being an English Pirate would beca good example if they were doing it in the name of the Church of England. They weren’t! | |||
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"This is interesting… “So if Islam is a faith, then what is Islamism? It can be best described as an "anti-" ideology, in the sense that it defines itself only in opposition to things. That is, Islamism stands not for but against. For starters, Islamism is anti-Semitic in promoting the view that Jews are evil. Because Jews live in Israel, it is also anti-Israeli, and it is also anti-American due to its distorted view of Jews' role in the United States. "Jews are evil, they run America, therefore America is evil" -- this is the mantra of Islamist thinking. Islamism is also anti-Christian, having a perverted view of the religion as well. And since Jews and Christians live in the West, many Islamists are anti-Western. They likewise oppose liberal democracy and secularism, as these institutions originated in the West. What is more, Islamists tend to be anti-capitalist because -- now you follow the logic -- capitalism originates from the West. Many also believe that "Jews invented capitalism" and therefore see capitalism as doubly evil. When they make money, however, Islamists often soften their negative attitude toward capitalism, anti-capitalism being ever the corruptible link in the Islamists' "anti-" ideology.” Where is the prefix "anti" in the word Islamism? Islamism is not an ideology adopted by Muslims. It's a derogatory name invented in the whitehouse in Washington, to demonise Political parties in the Muslim countries that hold Islamic values. They didn't call the far right Western politicians Christianists. Or Benjamin Nanayahu Judaist. It's 100% an Islamophobic terminology used by Islamophobs to avoid being accused of Islamop So by your logic people could just say Islamaphobia is a made up word? Made up by left wing politicians to demonise anyone who is critical of Islam? Islamophobia is a very real phenomena, it's a widespread bigotry in the west created by 100's of years of Church crusading propaganda, and came back to life after the fall of communism when the western war machine needed a new enemy/boogie man. " So is Islamism | |||
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"Would add for clarity they 'Isis' are a minority within their faith, as are/ were others who follow different faiths.. EG, I can and will condemn Harold Shipman and Lucy Letby but they do not represent the whole of their chosen professions..#notallmuslims
I'm not sure anyone I'd saying ISIS are representive of the majority.
But they say the are islamic and are doing what they do because of how their faith.
Noone would say Shipman acted because he was a doctor and acting as a doctor.
He didn't no, but his ability to carry out his crimes to the extent of and how he did was down to the fact he was a doctor..
Terrorists hide in their community, they do so in plain site but for those looking from the outside with a view to stopping them that they are amongst their own albeit using fear etc not being seen make the task of getting them very hard..
As Israel are finding now and how it will be in future.."Israel is the biggest terrorist in here. Not the good guys trying to catch bad guys. | |||
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"This is interesting… “So if Islam is a faith, then what is Islamism? It can be best described as an "anti-" ideology, in the sense that it defines itself only in opposition to things. That is, Islamism stands not for but against. For starters, Islamism is anti-Semitic in promoting the view that Jews are evil. Because Jews live in Israel, it is also anti-Israeli, and it is also anti-American due to its distorted view of Jews' role in the United States. "Jews are evil, they run America, therefore America is evil" -- this is the mantra of Islamist thinking. Islamism is also anti-Christian, having a perverted view of the religion as well. And since Jews and Christians live in the West, many Islamists are anti-Western. They likewise oppose liberal democracy and secularism, as these institutions originated in the West. What is more, Islamists tend to be anti-capitalist because -- now you follow the logic -- capitalism originates from the West. Many also believe that "Jews invented capitalism" and therefore see capitalism as doubly evil. When they make money, however, Islamists often soften their negative attitude toward capitalism, anti-capitalism being ever the corruptible link in the Islamists' "anti-" ideology.” Where is the prefix "anti" in the word Islamism? Islamism is not an ideology adopted by Muslims. It's a derogatory name invented in the whitehouse in Washington, to demonise Political parties in the Muslim countries that hold Islamic values. They didn't call the far right Western politicians Christianists. Or Benjamin Nanayahu Judaist. It's 100% an Islamophobic terminology used by Islamophobs to avoid being accused of Islamop So by your logic people could just say Islamaphobia is a made up word? Made up by left wing politicians to demonise anyone who is critical of Islam? Islamophobia is a very real phenomena, it's a widespread bigotry in the west created by 100's of years of Church crusading propaganda, and came back to life after the fall of communism when the western war machine needed a new enemy/boogie man. So is Islamism" What's the definition of Islamism? And who invented that word? | |||
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"Would add for clarity they 'Isis' are a minority within their faith, as are/ were others who follow different faiths.. EG, I can and will condemn Harold Shipman and Lucy Letby but they do not represent the whole of their chosen professions..#notallmuslims
I'm not sure anyone I'd saying ISIS are representive of the majority.
But they say the are islamic and are doing what they do because of how their faith.
Noone would say Shipman acted because he was a doctor and acting as a doctor.
He didn't no, but his ability to carry out his crimes to the extent of and how he did was down to the fact he was a doctor..
Terrorists hide in their community, they do so in plain site but for those looking from the outside with a view to stopping them that they are amongst their own albeit using fear etc not being seen make the task of getting them very hard..
As Israel are finding now and how it will be in future.."I'm confused about the analogy. Terrorists can be Muslims and Muslims terrorists. And terrorists can act in the name of islam. | |||
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"I think this thread demonstrates some of the problems when trying to discuss the unsavoury elements in any religion. Some act as though the criticism is aimed at all followers of that religion, which is nonsense clearly! Most people with any iota of intelligence knows that not all Muslims/Christians/Jews are bad people, but some are! When we criticise Islamists/Fundamentalists/Zionists we are not criticising the faith and followers of that faith, we are criticising or condemning the extremists." I think they know that deep down, it's just easier to de rail a discussion for them when they try to change the definition of words to fit there narrative or deliberately conflate things. | |||
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"Jews are not equivalent to Islamists. More equivalent would be Zionists. We see people saying things about Zionists daily, and reminding us that they aren't the same as Jews. Islamists are Muslims who want to be allowed to live under Islamic laws. Zionists want to invade, ethnically cleanse and kill the Children of Goyim Weren’t ISIS Islamists? Wasn’t their aim to create a new caliphate regardless of who already lived on the land? If we are that stupid, we also believe any pirates who had the English flag on their ship, they're English navy. ISIS was mass murdering Muslims, not western invaders. So are ISIS Islamists or not? Everything they did was anti Islamic and anti Islamic law! How does that make them Islamists?! You're confusing terrorism with Islam. They wanted a Caliphate, one of their stated aims.. They were as are Boko Haran followers of the very extreme parts of their holy book.. As others have stated all of the holy books pretty much have extreme parts.. Isis are/were Muslims.. They're not Muslims. The vast majority of 2 billion Muslims look at them as amongst the worst enemies of Islam. Every Schol We know that Muslims criticised and were rightly scared of ISIS. But how would ISIS describe themselves? Pretty sure they call themselves Muslims? So did the Pirates that raised the English flags when they were ready to plunder and take sclaves on the shores of the UK Aren’t you the chap who got his knickers in a twist for bringing up history? And for clarity being an English Pirate would beca good example if they were doing it in the name of the Church of England. They weren’t!" Criminal socialists those pirates were, oohagh | |||
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"Jews are not equivalent to Islamists. More equivalent would be Zionists. We see people saying things about Zionists daily, and reminding us that they aren't the same as Jews. Islamists are Muslims who want to be allowed to live under Islamic laws. Zionists want to invade, ethnically cleanse and kill the Children of Goyim Weren’t ISIS Islamists? Wasn’t their aim to create a new caliphate regardless of who already lived on the land? If we are that stupid, we also believe any pirates who had the English flag on their ship, they're English navy. ISIS was mass murdering Muslims, not western invaders. So are ISIS Islamists or not? Everything they did was anti Islamic and anti Islamic law! How does that make them Islamists?! You're confusing terrorism with Islam. They wanted a Caliphate, one of their stated aims.. They were as are Boko Haran followers of the very extreme parts of their holy book.. As others have stated all of the holy books pretty much have extreme parts.. Isis are/were Muslims.. They're not Muslims. The vast majority of 2 billion Muslims look at them as amongst the worst enemies of Islam. Every Schol We know that Muslims criticised and were rightly scared of ISIS. But how would ISIS describe themselves? Pretty sure they call themselves Muslims? So did the Pirates that raised the English flags when they were ready to plunder and take sclaves on the shores of the UK Aren’t you the chap who got his knickers in a twist for bringing up history? And for clarity being an English Pirate would beca good example if they were doing it in the name of the Church of England. They weren’t!" John Sparrow was a good pirate when he worked for the English king. As soon as he converted to Islam he became the bad guy lol | |||
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"Jews are not equivalent to Islamists. More equivalent would be Zionists. We see people saying things about Zionists daily, and reminding us that they aren't the same as Jews. Islamists are Muslims who want to be allowed to live under Islamic laws. Zionists want to invade, ethnically cleanse and kill the Children of Goyim Weren’t ISIS Islamists? Wasn’t their aim to create a new caliphate regardless of who already lived on the land? If we are that stupid, we also believe any pirates who had the English flag on their ship, they're English navy. ISIS was mass murdering Muslims, not western invaders. So are ISIS Islamists or not? Everything they did was anti Islamic and anti Islamic law! How does that make them Islamists?! You're confusing terrorism with Islam. They wanted a Caliphate, one of their stated aims.. They were as are Boko Haran followers of the very extreme parts of their holy book.. As others have stated all of the holy books pretty much have extreme parts.. Isis are/were Muslims.. They're not Muslims. The vast majority of 2 billion Muslims look at them as amongst the worst enemies of Islam. Every Schol We know that Muslims criticised and were rightly scared of ISIS. But how would ISIS describe themselves? Pretty sure they call themselves Muslims? So did the Pirates that raised the English flags when they were ready to plunder and take sclaves on the shores of the UK Aren’t you the chap who got his knickers in a twist for bringing up history? And for clarity being an English Pirate would beca good example if they were doing it in the name of the Church of England. They weren’t! Criminal socialists those pirates were, oohagh " Surely the original thieving capitalists, linked to water no less | |||
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"This is interesting… “So if Islam is a faith, then what is Islamism? It can be best described as an "anti-" ideology, in the sense that it defines itself only in opposition to things. That is, Islamism stands not for but against. For starters, Islamism is anti-Semitic in promoting the view that Jews are evil. Because Jews live in Israel, it is also anti-Israeli, and it is also anti-American due to its distorted view of Jews' role in the United States. "Jews are evil, they run America, therefore America is evil" -- this is the mantra of Islamist thinking. Islamism is also anti-Christian, having a perverted view of the religion as well. And since Jews and Christians live in the West, many Islamists are anti-Western. They likewise oppose liberal democracy and secularism, as these institutions originated in the West. What is more, Islamists tend to be anti-capitalist because -- now you follow the logic -- capitalism originates from the West. Many also believe that "Jews invented capitalism" and therefore see capitalism as doubly evil. When they make money, however, Islamists often soften their negative attitude toward capitalism, anti-capitalism being ever the corruptible link in the Islamists' "anti-" ideology.” Where is the prefix "anti" in the word Islamism? Islamism is not an ideology adopted by Muslims. It's a derogatory name invented in the whitehouse in Washington, to demonise Political parties in the Muslim countries that hold Islamic values. They didn't call the far right Western politicians Christianists. Or Benjamin Nanayahu Judaist. It's 100% an Islamophobic terminology used by Islamophobs to avoid being accused of Islamop So by your logic people could just say Islamaphobia is a made up word? Made up by left wing politicians to demonise anyone who is critical of Islam? Islamophobia is a very real phenomena, it's a widespread bigotry in the west created by 100's of years of Church crusading propaganda, and came back to life after the fall of communism when the western war machine needed a new enemy/boogie man. So is Islamism What's the definition of Islamism? And who invented that word? " Term used to describe an Islamic political or social activist. Coined in preference to the more common term “Islamic fundamentalist.” Islamists (al-Islamiyyun) are committed to implementation of their ideological vision of Islam in the state and/or society. Their position is often seen as a critique of the establishment and status quo. Most belong to Islamic organizations or social movements (al-harakat al-Islamiyyah). See also Fundamentalism | |||
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"Jews are not equivalent to Islamists. More equivalent would be Zionists. We see people saying things about Zionists daily, and reminding us that they aren't the same as Jews. Islamists are Muslims who want to be allowed to live under Islamic laws. Zionists want to invade, ethnically cleanse and kill the Children of Goyim Weren’t ISIS Islamists? Wasn’t their aim to create a new caliphate regardless of who already lived on the land? If we are that stupid, we also believe any pirates who had the English flag on their ship, they're English navy. ISIS was mass murdering Muslims, not western invaders. So are ISIS Islamists or not? Everything they did was anti Islamic and anti Islamic law! How does that make them Islamists?! You're confusing terrorism with Islam. They wanted a Caliphate, one of their stated aims.. They were as are Boko Haran followers of the very extreme parts of their holy book.. As others have stated all of the holy books pretty much have extreme parts.. Isis are/were Muslims.. They're not Muslims. The vast majority of 2 billion Muslims look at them as amongst the worst enemies of Islam. Every Schol We know that Muslims criticised and were rightly scared of ISIS. But how would ISIS describe themselves? Pretty sure they call themselves Muslims? So did the Pirates that raised the English flags when they were ready to plunder and take sclaves on the shores of the UK Aren’t you the chap who got his knickers in a twist for bringing up history? And for clarity being an English Pirate would beca good example if they were doing it in the name of the Church of England. They weren’t! John Sparrow was a good pirate when he worked for the English king. As soon as he converted to Islam he became the bad guy lol" It seems you may be combining two separate figures.. John "Calico Jack" Rackham a pirate and Captain Jack Sparrow, a character from the Pirates of the Caribbean film. | |||
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"Jews are not equivalent to Islamists. More equivalent would be Zionists. We see people saying things about Zionists daily, and reminding us that they aren't the same as Jews. Islamists are Muslims who want to be allowed to live under Islamic laws. Zionists want to invade, ethnically cleanse and kill the Children of Goyim Weren’t ISIS Islamists? Wasn’t their aim to create a new caliphate regardless of who already lived on the land? If we are that stupid, we also believe any pirates who had the English flag on their ship, they're English navy. ISIS was mass murdering Muslims, not western invaders. So are ISIS Islamists or not? Everything they did was anti Islamic and anti Islamic law! How does that make them Islamists?! You're confusing terrorism with Islam. They wanted a Caliphate, one of their stated aims.. They were as are Boko Haran followers of the very extreme parts of their holy book.. As others have stated all of the holy books pretty much have extreme parts.. Isis are/were Muslims.. They're not Muslims. The vast majority of 2 billion Muslims look at them as amongst the worst enemies of Islam. Every Schol We know that Muslims criticised and were rightly scared of ISIS. But how would ISIS describe themselves? Pretty sure they call themselves Muslims? So did the Pirates that raised the English flags when they were ready to plunder and take sclaves on the shores of the UK Aren’t you the chap who got his knickers in a twist for bringing up history? And for clarity being an English Pirate would beca good example if they were doing it in the name of the Church of England. They weren’t! John Sparrow was a good pirate when he worked for the English king. As soon as he converted to Islam he became the bad guy lol" Lovely rabbit hole you’re trying to take us down but question remains - do ISIS describe themselves as Muslims YES/NO | |||
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"Would add for clarity they 'Isis' are a minority within their faith, as are/ were others who follow different faiths.. EG, I can and will condemn Harold Shipman and Lucy Letby but they do not represent the whole of their chosen professions..#notallmuslims
I'm not sure anyone I'd saying ISIS are representive of the majority.
But they say the are islamic and are doing what they do because of how their faith.
Noone would say Shipman acted because he was a doctor and acting as a doctor.
He didn't no, but his ability to carry out his crimes to the extent of and how he did was down to the fact he was a doctor..
Terrorists hide in their community, they do so in plain site but for those looking from the outside with a view to stopping them that they are amongst their own albeit using fear etc not being seen make the task of getting them very hard..
As Israel are finding now and how it will be in future..I'm confused about the analogy.
Terrorists can be Muslims and Muslims terrorists. And terrorists can act in the name of islam. "Terorists also come with suits, as Presidents claiming to fight terorism in the name of democracy and human rights. Those are the worst cause they killed millions, orphaned millions caused a refugee crisis of 10's of millions, affected the lives of billions and support a genocide. | |||
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"So the fall-out from the political fraudster's (Lee Anderson) racist comment continues today with the Conservative Party fracturing down the middle. Odd that those who still refuse to condemn the loutish racism of Lee Anderson's words are still struggling to explain why this comment would be anti-semitic, but his comments were not islamaphobic: "The Jews have control over the mayor of London and the Jews have control over London." Mind you the same could be said of Suell Bravermans comments... What would have been the outcry if she had said "The Jews, the extemists, the anti-Christians are in charge now." Why would a comment about religious fundamentalists be racist? Islamaphobia is racism Anti- semitism is racism How is islam or being a muslim connected to race?" So the Nazi’s weren’t racist? | |||
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"Would add for clarity they 'Isis' are a minority within their faith, as are/ were others who follow different faiths.. EG, I can and will condemn Harold Shipman and Lucy Letby but they do not represent the whole of their chosen professions..#notallmuslims
I'm not sure anyone I'd saying ISIS are representive of the majority.
But they say the are islamic and are doing what they do because of how their faith.
Noone would say Shipman acted because he was a doctor and acting as a doctor.
He didn't no, but his ability to carry out his crimes to the extent of and how he did was down to the fact he was a doctor..
Terrorists hide in their community, they do so in plain site but for those looking from the outside with a view to stopping them that they are amongst their own albeit using fear etc not being seen make the task of getting them very hard..
As Israel are finding now and how it will be in future..
Israel is the biggest terrorist in here. Not the good guys trying to catch bad guys. "This is just another reason why most people don't take you seriously, you make some valid points but then you refuse to even consider there are as with most things two sides.. Action and reaction, cause and effect.. Israel has a pretty dubious history in its dealings with the Palestinians, it's allowed to break international law because uncle Sam has it's back etc etc.. But look historically at what led to this attitude, they were persecuted long before the Nazis built the camps and post that they were invaded twice in their now country by Arab nations .. They will not rightly allow that again and why should any nation, their treatment of Palestinians is wrong in the west bank and it's wrong in Gaza but to say they are terrorists and not acknowledge what Hamas did is wrong.. Fucks sake if your unable to accept that Isis are Muslims it's probably no surprise your views are so distorted.. | |||
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"Jews are not equivalent to Islamists. More equivalent would be Zionists. We see people saying things about Zionists daily, and reminding us that they aren't the same as Jews. Islamists are Muslims who want to be allowed to live under Islamic laws. Zionists want to invade, ethnically cleanse and kill the Children of Goyim Weren’t ISIS Islamists? Wasn’t their aim to create a new caliphate regardless of who already lived on the land? If we are that stupid, we also believe any pirates who had the English flag on their ship, they're English navy. ISIS was mass murdering Muslims, not western invaders. So are ISIS Islamists or not? Everything they did was anti Islamic and anti Islamic law! How does that make them Islamists?! You're confusing terrorism with Islam. They wanted a Caliphate, one of their stated aims.. They were as are Boko Haran followers of the very extreme parts of their holy book.. As others have stated all of the holy books pretty much have extreme parts.. Isis are/were Muslims.. They're not Muslims. The vast majority of 2 billion Muslims look at them as amongst the worst enemies of Islam. Every Schol We know that Muslims criticised and were rightly scared of ISIS. But how would ISIS describe themselves? Pretty sure they call themselves Muslims? So did the Pirates that raised the English flags when they were ready to plunder and take sclaves on the shores of the UK Aren’t you the chap who got his knickers in a twist for bringing up history? And for clarity being an English Pirate would beca good example if they were doing it in the name of the Church of England. They weren’t! John Sparrow was a good pirate when he worked for the English king. As soon as he converted to Islam he became the bad guy lol Lovely rabbit hole you’re trying to take us down but question remains - do ISIS describe themselves as Muslims YES/NO" Does Tony Blair describe himself as a champion of Democracy and himan rights? | |||
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"Jews are not equivalent to Islamists. More equivalent would be Zionists. We see people saying things about Zionists daily, and reminding us that they aren't the same as Jews. Islamists are Muslims who want to be allowed to live under Islamic laws. Zionists want to invade, ethnically cleanse and kill the Children of Goyim Weren’t ISIS Islamists? Wasn’t their aim to create a new caliphate regardless of who already lived on the land? If we are that stupid, we also believe any pirates who had the English flag on their ship, they're English navy. ISIS was mass murdering Muslims, not western invaders. So are ISIS Islamists or not? Everything they did was anti Islamic and anti Islamic law! How does that make them Islamists?! You're confusing terrorism with Islam. They wanted a Caliphate, one of their stated aims.. They were as are Boko Haran followers of the very extreme parts of their holy book.. As others have stated all of the holy books pretty much have extreme parts.. Isis are/were Muslims.. They're not Muslims. The vast majority of 2 billion Muslims look at them as amongst the worst enemies of Islam. Every Schol We know that Muslims criticised and were rightly scared of ISIS. But how would ISIS describe themselves? Pretty sure they call themselves Muslims? So did the Pirates that raised the English flags when they were ready to plunder and take sclaves on the shores of the UK Aren’t you the chap who got his knickers in a twist for bringing up history? And for clarity being an English Pirate would beca good example if they were doing it in the name of the Church of England. They weren’t! John Sparrow was a good pirate when he worked for the English king. As soon as he converted to Islam he became the bad guy lol Lovely rabbit hole you’re trying to take us down but question remains - do ISIS describe themselves as Muslims YES/NO Does Tony Blair describe himself as a champion of Democracy and himan rights? " Yes but that may not be true. | |||
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"So the fall-out from the political fraudster's (Lee Anderson) racist comment continues today with the Conservative Party fracturing down the middle. Odd that those who still refuse to condemn the loutish racism of Lee Anderson's words are still struggling to explain why this comment would be anti-semitic, but his comments were not islamaphobic: "The Jews have control over the mayor of London and the Jews have control over London." Mind you the same could be said of Suell Bravermans comments... What would have been the outcry if she had said "The Jews, the extemists, the anti-Christians are in charge now."I have no dog in this fight but could the OP explain to me why Lee Anderson comment were racist. Everyone I ask tell me they were racist but cannot not explain why they are racist. " Replace Anderson’s word “Islamist” with Jew, Zionist, Black etc. and that would quite rightly be considered racist. Anderson suggested that an extremist faction of a religious group had control over the mayor of London and if that was said about any other group it would be deemed racist. | |||
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"So the fall-out from the political fraudster's (Lee Anderson) racist comment continues today with the Conservative Party fracturing down the middle. Odd that those who still refuse to condemn the loutish racism of Lee Anderson's words are still struggling to explain why this comment would be anti-semitic, but his comments were not islamaphobic: "The Jews have control over the mayor of London and the Jews have control over London." Mind you the same could be said of Suell Bravermans comments... What would have been the outcry if she had said "The Jews, the extemists, the anti-Christians are in charge now."I have no dog in this fight but could the OP explain to me why Lee Anderson comment were racist. Everyone I ask tell me they were racist but cannot not explain why they are racist. Replace Anderson’s word “Islamist” with Jew, Zionist, Black etc. and that would quite rightly be considered racist. Anderson suggested that an extremist faction of a religious group had control over the mayor of London and if that was said about any other group it would be deemed racist. " Mr starmer was mentioned in the same breath but I don't think "they" have shown you that. | |||
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"So the fall-out from the political fraudster's (Lee Anderson) racist comment continues today with the Conservative Party fracturing down the middle. Odd that those who still refuse to condemn the loutish racism of Lee Anderson's words are still struggling to explain why this comment would be anti-semitic, but his comments were not islamaphobic: "The Jews have control over the mayor of London and the Jews have control over London." Mind you the same could be said of Suell Bravermans comments... What would have been the outcry if she had said "The Jews, the extemists, the anti-Christians are in charge now."I have no dog in this fight but could the OP explain to me why Lee Anderson comment were racist. Everyone I ask tell me they were racist but cannot not explain why they are racist. Replace Anderson’s word “Islamist” with Jew, Zionist, Black etc. and that would quite rightly be considered racist. Anderson suggested that an extremist faction of a religious group had control over the mayor of London and if that was said about any other group it would be deemed racist. " You can't replace his word with other words to then make it racist, that is not Anderson being racist, that is you changing what he said to become racist.... | |||
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"Jews are not equivalent to Islamists. More equivalent would be Zionists. We see people saying things about Zionists daily, and reminding us that they aren't the same as Jews. Islamists are Muslims who want to be allowed to live under Islamic laws. Zionists want to invade, ethnically cleanse and kill the Children of Goyim Weren’t ISIS Islamists? Wasn’t their aim to create a new caliphate regardless of who already lived on the land? If we are that stupid, we also believe any pirates who had the English flag on their ship, they're English navy. ISIS was mass murdering Muslims, not western invaders. So are ISIS Islamists or not? Everything they did was anti Islamic and anti Islamic law! How does that make them Islamists?! You're confusing terrorism with Islam. They wanted a Caliphate, one of their stated aims.. They were as are Boko Haran followers of the very extreme parts of their holy book.. As others have stated all of the holy books pretty much have extreme parts.. Isis are/were Muslims.. They're not Muslims. The vast majority of 2 billion Muslims look at them as amongst the worst enemies of Islam. Every Schol We know that Muslims criticised and were rightly scared of ISIS. But how would ISIS describe themselves? Pretty sure they call themselves Muslims? So did the Pirates that raised the English flags when they were ready to plunder and take sclaves on the shores of the UK Aren’t you the chap who got his knickers in a twist for bringing up history? And for clarity being an English Pirate would beca good example if they were doing it in the name of the Church of England. They weren’t! John Sparrow was a good pirate when he worked for the English king. As soon as he converted to Islam he became the bad guy lol Lovely rabbit hole you’re trying to take us down but question remains - do ISIS describe themselves as Muslims YES/NO Does Tony Blair describe himself as a champion of Democracy and himan rights? " Any iota of credibility you might have been clinging onto has now been shredded. I will answer for you… ISIS are an extremist Islamic organisation. Its members are Muslims… see how easy that was. | |||
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"So the fall-out from the political fraudster's (Lee Anderson) racist comment continues today with the Conservative Party fracturing down the middle. Odd that those who still refuse to condemn the loutish racism of Lee Anderson's words are still struggling to explain why this comment would be anti-semitic, but his comments were not islamaphobic: "The Jews have control over the mayor of London and the Jews have control over London." Mind you the same could be said of Suell Bravermans comments... What would have been the outcry if she had said "The Jews, the extemists, the anti-Christians are in charge now."I have no dog in this fight but could the OP explain to me why Lee Anderson comment were racist. Everyone I ask tell me they were racist but cannot not explain why they are racist. Replace Anderson’s word “Islamist” with Jew, Zionist, Black etc. and that would quite rightly be considered racist. Anderson suggested that an extremist faction of a religious group had control over the mayor of London and if that was said about any other group it would be deemed racist. You can't replace his word with other words to then make it racist, that is not Anderson being racist, that is you changing what he said to become racist...." What is the matter with you? Does it have to be spelled out? Which of the following is a racist comment? “The blacks have control of the London Mayor and the blacks have control over the capital” “The Jews have control of the London Mayor and the Jews have control over the capital” “The Islamists have control of the London Mayor and the Islamists have control over the capital” | |||
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"Would add for clarity they 'Isis' are a minority within their faith, as are/ were others who follow different faiths.. EG, I can and will condemn Harold Shipman and Lucy Letby but they do not represent the whole of their chosen professions..#notallmuslims
I'm not sure anyone I'd saying ISIS are representive of the majority.
But they say the are islamic and are doing what they do because of how their faith.
Noone would say Shipman acted because he was a doctor and acting as a doctor.
He didn't no, but his ability to carry out his crimes to the extent of and how he did was down to the fact he was a doctor..
Terrorists hide in their community, they do so in plain site but for those looking from the outside with a view to stopping them that they are amongst their own albeit using fear etc not being seen make the task of getting them very hard..
As Israel are finding now and how it will be in future..
Israel is the biggest terrorist in here. Not the good guys trying to catch bad guys.
This is just another reason why most people don't take you seriously, you make some valid points but then you refuse to even consider there are as with most things two sides..
Action and reaction, cause and effect..
Israel has a pretty dubious history in its dealings with the Palestinians, it's allowed to break international law because uncle Sam has it's back etc etc..
But look historically at what led to this attitude, they were persecuted long before the Nazis built the camps and post that they were invaded twice in their now country by Arab nations ..
They will not rightly allow that again and why should any nation, their treatment of Palestinians is wrong in the west bank and it's wrong in Gaza but to say they are terrorists and not acknowledge what Hamas did is wrong..
Fucks sake if your unable to accept that Isis are Muslims it's probably no surprise your views are so distorted.."When the Spanish Inquisitors was committing a genocide and ethnic cleansing against them in Spain, the entire Ottoman navy was mobilised to save them and bring them to safety in Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Turkiye, Palestine. Even entire new towns and cities were built for them. They were welcomed, senagogues built for them and they became the wealthiest and most connected.... Until European colonialism came in. But when you invade a nation, and openly commit an ethnic cleansing policy by force and violence, you can't commit a genocide in the name of being the victim whose defending yourself. What the west did to them for 2000 years is not for the Palestinian to pay the price for it by accepting to sease to exist. | |||
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"Would add for clarity they 'Isis' are a minority within their faith, as are/ were others who follow different faiths.. EG, I can and will condemn Harold Shipman and Lucy Letby but they do not represent the whole of their chosen professions..#notallmuslims
I'm not sure anyone I'd saying ISIS are representive of the majority.
But they say the are islamic and are doing what they do because of how their faith.
Noone would say Shipman acted because he was a doctor and acting as a doctor.
He didn't no, but his ability to carry out his crimes to the extent of and how he did was down to the fact he was a doctor..
Terrorists hide in their community, they do so in plain site but for those looking from the outside with a view to stopping them that they are amongst their own albeit using fear etc not being seen make the task of getting them very hard..
As Israel are finding now and how it will be in future..
Israel is the biggest terrorist in here. Not the good guys trying to catch bad guys.
This is just another reason why most people don't take you seriously, you make some valid points but then you refuse to even consider there are as with most things two sides..
Action and reaction, cause and effect..
Israel has a pretty dubious history in its dealings with the Palestinians, it's allowed to break international law because uncle Sam has it's back etc etc..
But look historically at what led to this attitude, they were persecuted long before the Nazis built the camps and post that they were invaded twice in their now country by Arab nations ..
They will not rightly allow that again and why should any nation, their treatment of Palestinians is wrong in the west bank and it's wrong in Gaza but to say they are terrorists and not acknowledge what Hamas did is wrong..
Fucks sake if your unable to accept that Isis are Muslims it's probably no surprise your views are so distorted..
When the Spanish Inquisitors was committing a genocide and ethnic cleansing against them in Spain, the entire Ottoman navy was mobilised to save them and bring them to safety in Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Turkiye, Palestine. Even entire new towns and cities were built for them. They were welcomed, senagogues built for them and they became the wealthiest and most connected.... Until European colonialism came in. But when you invade a nation, and openly commit an ethnic cleansing policy by force and violence, you can't commit a genocide in the name of being the victim whose defending yourself.
What the west did to them for 2000 years is not for the Palestinian to pay the price for it by accepting to sease to exist.
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"More equivalent would be Zionists." Not really - the equivalent would be the extreme orthodox groups like Neturei Karta - they oppose Israel because they believe a'Promised Land' should be non-secular and following Torah law to the letter. Zionism is largely secular, with no mention of God in their constitution. | |||
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"So the fall-out from the political fraudster's (Lee Anderson) racist comment continues today with the Conservative Party fracturing down the middle. Odd that those who still refuse to condemn the loutish racism of Lee Anderson's words are still struggling to explain why this comment would be anti-semitic, but his comments were not islamaphobic: "The Jews have control over the mayor of London and the Jews have control over London." Mind you the same could be said of Suell Bravermans comments... What would have been the outcry if she had said "The Jews, the extemists, the anti-Christians are in charge now." Why would a comment about religious fundamentalists be racist? Islamaphobia is racism Anti- semitism is racism How is islam or being a muslim connected to race? So the Nazi’s weren’t racist?" The Nazis were eradicating ethnic groups not ideologies. | |||
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"Would add for clarity they 'Isis' are a minority within their faith, as are/ were others who follow different faiths.. EG, I can and will condemn Harold Shipman and Lucy Letby but they do not represent the whole of their chosen professions..#notallmuslims
I'm not sure anyone I'd saying ISIS are representive of the majority.
But they say the are islamic and are doing what they do because of how their faith.
Noone would say Shipman acted because he was a doctor and acting as a doctor.
He didn't no, but his ability to carry out his crimes to the extent of and how he did was down to the fact he was a doctor..
Terrorists hide in their community, they do so in plain site but for those looking from the outside with a view to stopping them that they are amongst their own albeit using fear etc not being seen make the task of getting them very hard..
As Israel are finding now and how it will be in future..
Israel is the biggest terrorist in here. Not the good guys trying to catch bad guys.
This is just another reason why most people don't take you seriously, you make some valid points but then you refuse to even consider there are as with most things two sides..
Action and reaction, cause and effect..
Israel has a pretty dubious history in its dealings with the Palestinians, it's allowed to break international law because uncle Sam has it's back etc etc..
But look historically at what led to this attitude, they were persecuted long before the Nazis built the camps and post that they were invaded twice in their now country by Arab nations ..
They will not rightly allow that again and why should any nation, their treatment of Palestinians is wrong in the west bank and it's wrong in Gaza but to say they are terrorists and not acknowledge what Hamas did is wrong..
Fucks sake if your unable to accept that Isis are Muslims it's probably no surprise your views are so distorted..
When the Spanish Inquisitors was committing a genocide and ethnic cleansing against them in Spain, the entire Ottoman navy was mobilised to save them and bring them to safety in Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Turkiye, Palestine. Even entire new towns and cities were built for them. They were welcomed, senagogues built for them and they became the wealthiest and most connected.... Until European colonialism came in. But when you invade a nation, and openly commit an ethnic cleansing policy by force and violence, you can't commit a genocide in the name of being the victim whose defending yourself.
What the west did to them for 2000 years is not for the Palestinian to pay the price for it by accepting to sease to exist.
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"So the fall-out from the political fraudster's (Lee Anderson) racist comment continues today with the Conservative Party fracturing down the middle. Odd that those who still refuse to condemn the loutish racism of Lee Anderson's words are still struggling to explain why this comment would be anti-semitic, but his comments were not islamaphobic: "The Jews have control over the mayor of London and the Jews have control over London." Mind you the same could be said of Suell Bravermans comments... What would have been the outcry if she had said "The Jews, the extemists, the anti-Christians are in charge now."I have no dog in this fight but could the OP explain to me why Lee Anderson comment were racist. Everyone I ask tell me they were racist but cannot not explain why they are racist. Replace Anderson’s word “Islamist” with Jew, Zionist, Black etc. and that would quite rightly be considered racist. Anderson suggested that an extremist faction of a religious group had control over the mayor of London and if that was said about any other group it would be deemed racist. " No it wouldn't or shouldn't and we have already gone over this. | |||
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"So the fall-out from the political fraudster's (Lee Anderson) racist comment continues today with the Conservative Party fracturing down the middle. Odd that those who still refuse to condemn the loutish racism of Lee Anderson's words are still struggling to explain why this comment would be anti-semitic, but his comments were not islamaphobic: "The Jews have control over the mayor of London and the Jews have control over London." Mind you the same could be said of Suell Bravermans comments... What would have been the outcry if she had said "The Jews, the extemists, the anti-Christians are in charge now."I have no dog in this fight but could the OP explain to me why Lee Anderson comment were racist. Everyone I ask tell me they were racist but cannot not explain why they are racist. Replace Anderson’s word “Islamist” with Jew, Zionist, Black etc. and that would quite rightly be considered racist. Anderson suggested that an extremist faction of a religious group had control over the mayor of London and if that was said about any other group it would be deemed racist. You can't replace his word with other words to then make it racist, that is not Anderson being racist, that is you changing what he said to become racist.... What is the matter with you? Does it have to be spelled out? Which of the following is a racist comment? “The blacks have control of the London Mayor and the blacks have control over the capital” “The Jews have control of the London Mayor and the Jews have control over the capital” “The Islamists have control of the London Mayor and the Islamists have control over the capital”" You are conflating race with Ideology.. | |||
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"Radical idea…two state solution: 1. Israel everything south of Jerusalem (inc parts of West Bank and Gaza). 2. Palestine everything north of Jerusalem (inc parts of West Bank and Golan Heights). 3. Jerusalem becomes an international city under UN protection. Palestine therefore gets coastline on Med (ports) and is a buffer between Israel, Lebanon, and Syria. Both sides make some sacrifice and give up some land. " It will not work. They'll be at each other throats and the baby killers in the south side will not hesitate to drop a nuclear bomb on them with the blessing of the USA and a UK pretending to feel sory about it. I have a better solution. End Apartheid, make it a democracy, full citizenship and religious freedom for Muslim Palestinians, Christian Palestinians (including the ones in diaspora and the Jews. Just like every other state in the world. Apatheid and genocided in 2024?! | |||
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"So the fall-out from the political fraudster's (Lee Anderson) racist comment continues today with the Conservative Party fracturing down the middle. Odd that those who still refuse to condemn the loutish racism of Lee Anderson's words are still struggling to explain why this comment would be anti-semitic, but his comments were not islamaphobic: "The Jews have control over the mayor of London and the Jews have control over London." Mind you the same could be said of Suell Bravermans comments... What would have been the outcry if she had said "The Jews, the extemists, the anti-Christians are in charge now."I have no dog in this fight but could the OP explain to me why Lee Anderson comment were racist. Everyone I ask tell me they were racist but cannot not explain why they are racist. Replace Anderson’s word “Islamist” with Jew, Zionist, Black etc. and that would quite rightly be considered racist. Anderson suggested that an extremist faction of a religious group had control over the mayor of London and if that was said about any other group it would be deemed racist. You can't replace his word with other words to then make it racist, that is not Anderson being racist, that is you changing what he said to become racist.... What is the matter with you? Does it have to be spelled out? Which of the following is a racist comment? “The blacks have control of the London Mayor and the blacks have control over the capital” “The Jews have control of the London Mayor and the Jews have control over the capital” “The Islamists have control of the London Mayor and the Islamists have control over the capital”" Where did you get the blacks have control of London from? | |||
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"Radical idea…two state solution: 1. Israel everything south of Jerusalem (inc parts of West Bank and Gaza). 2. Palestine everything north of Jerusalem (inc parts of West Bank and Golan Heights). 3. Jerusalem becomes an international city under UN protection. Palestine therefore gets coastline on Med (ports) and is a buffer between Israel, Lebanon, and Syria. Both sides make some sacrifice and give up some land. It will not work. They'll be at each other throats and the baby killers in the south side will not hesitate to drop a nuclear bomb on them with the blessing of the USA and a UK pretending to feel sory about it. I have a better solution. End Apartheid, make it a democracy, full citizenship and religious freedom for Muslim Palestinians, Christian Palestinians (including the ones in diaspora and the Jews. Just like every other state in the world. Apatheid and genocided in 2024?! " It would work if they all grew up | |||
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"More equivalent would be Zionists. Not really - the equivalent would be the extreme orthodox groups like Neturei Karta - they oppose Israel because they believe a'Promised Land' should be non-secular and following Torah law to the letter. Zionism is largely secular, with no mention of God in their constitution." Every day is a school day. If Anderson said 'Nuturei Karta have control of London', would that be deemed racist in your opinion? | |||
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"More equivalent would be Zionists. Not really - the equivalent would be the extreme orthodox groups like Neturei Karta - they oppose Israel because they believe a'Promised Land' should be non-secular and following Torah law to the letter. Zionism is largely secular, with no mention of God in their constitution. Every day is a school day. If Anderson said 'Nuturei Karta have control of London', would that be deemed racist in your opinion?" I’d be more impressed that he knew who they were. | |||
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"More equivalent would be Zionists. Not really - the equivalent would be the extreme orthodox groups like Neturei Karta - they oppose Israel because they believe a'Promised Land' should be non-secular and following Torah law to the letter. Zionism is largely secular, with no mention of God in their constitution. Every day is a school day. If Anderson said 'Nuturei Karta have control of London', would that be deemed racist in your opinion?" No, because they only represent a very small minority of Jews. They do, however, have a visible presence at anti-Israel marches, often carrying banners like 'real Jews don't support Zionism'. They have a reputation for hanging out with terrorists and holocaust deniers, and the vast majority of Jews consider them nutjobs. | |||
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"More equivalent would be Zionists. Not really - the equivalent would be the extreme orthodox groups like Neturei Karta - they oppose Israel because they believe a'Promised Land' should be non-secular and following Torah law to the letter. Zionism is largely secular, with no mention of God in their constitution. Every day is a school day. If Anderson said 'Nuturei Karta have control of London', would that be deemed racist in your opinion? No, because they only represent a very small minority of Jews. They do, however, have a visible presence at anti-Israel marches, often carrying banners like 'real Jews don't support Zionism'. They have a reputation for hanging out with terrorists and holocaust deniers, and the vast majority of Jews consider them nutjobs." Which would mean 'Islamists have control of London' also isn't racist? | |||
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"So the fall-out from the political fraudster's (Lee Anderson) racist comment continues today with the Conservative Party fracturing down the middle. Odd that those who still refuse to condemn the loutish racism of Lee Anderson's words are still struggling to explain why this comment would be anti-semitic, but his comments were not islamaphobic: "The Jews have control over the mayor of London and the Jews have control over London." Mind you the same could be said of Suell Bravermans comments... What would have been the outcry if she had said "The Jews, the extemists, the anti-Christians are in charge now."I have no dog in this fight but could the OP explain to me why Lee Anderson comment were racist. Everyone I ask tell me they were racist but cannot not explain why they are racist. Replace Anderson’s word “Islamist” with Jew, Zionist, Black etc. and that would quite rightly be considered racist. Anderson suggested that an extremist faction of a religious group had control over the mayor of London and if that was said about any other group it would be deemed racist. You can't replace his word with other words to then make it racist, that is not Anderson being racist, that is you changing what he said to become racist.... What is the matter with you? Does it have to be spelled out? Which of the following is a racist comment? “The blacks have control of the London Mayor and the blacks have control over the capital” “The Jews have control of the London Mayor and the Jews have control over the capital” “The Islamists have control of the London Mayor and the Islamists have control over the capital”" I would like to get back on track with this... I'm at a loss why Too Hot, is taking religion and race, mixing them freely, changing what was said and claiming racism. WTF is going on here. | |||
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"More equivalent would be Zionists. Not really - the equivalent would be the extreme orthodox groups like Neturei Karta - they oppose Israel because they believe a'Promised Land' should be non-secular and following Torah law to the letter. Zionism is largely secular, with no mention of God in their constitution. Every day is a school day. If Anderson said 'Nuturei Karta have control of London', would that be deemed racist in your opinion?" No, because the majority of the people who identify as Jews as Not Judaists. In the ither hand, the majority of Muslims are Islamists. In the sense that they believe in the comandments/Lwas of the Quran. | |||
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"More equivalent would be Zionists. Not really - the equivalent would be the extreme orthodox groups like Neturei Karta - they oppose Israel because they believe a'Promised Land' should be non-secular and following Torah law to the letter. Zionism is largely secular, with no mention of God in their constitution. Every day is a school day. If Anderson said 'Nuturei Karta have control of London', would that be deemed racist in your opinion? No, because the majority of the people who identify as Jews as Not Judaists. In the ither hand, the majority of Muslims are Islamists. In the sense that they believe in the comandments/Lwas of the Quran. " The majority of Muslims are not fundamentalists - at least not in the U.K | |||
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"More equivalent would be Zionists. Not really - the equivalent would be the extreme orthodox groups like Neturei Karta - they oppose Israel because they believe a'Promised Land' should be non-secular and following Torah law to the letter. Zionism is largely secular, with no mention of God in their constitution. Every day is a school day. If Anderson said 'Nuturei Karta have control of London', would that be deemed racist in your opinion? No, because the majority of the people who identify as Jews as Not Judaists. In the ither hand, the majority of Muslims are Islamists. In the sense that they believe in the comandments/Lwas of the Quran. " The mayor of London doesn't even qualify to be a Muslim. By definition | |||
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"More equivalent would be Zionists. Not really - the equivalent would be the extreme orthodox groups like Neturei Karta - they oppose Israel because they believe a'Promised Land' should be non-secular and following Torah law to the letter. Zionism is largely secular, with no mention of God in their constitution. Every day is a school day. If Anderson said 'Nuturei Karta have control of London', would that be deemed racist in your opinion? No, because the majority of the people who identify as Jews as Not Judaists. In the ither hand, the majority of Muslims are Islamists. In the sense that they believe in the comandments/Lwas of the Quran. " FFS! Judaism is the religion of Jews, the same as Islam is the religion of Muslims | |||
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"More equivalent would be Zionists. Not really - the equivalent would be the extreme orthodox groups like Neturei Karta - they oppose Israel because they believe a'Promised Land' should be non-secular and following Torah law to the letter. Zionism is largely secular, with no mention of God in their constitution. Every day is a school day. If Anderson said 'Nuturei Karta have control of London', would that be deemed racist in your opinion? No, because the majority of the people who identify as Jews as Not Judaists. In the ither hand, the majority of Muslims are Islamists. In the sense that they believe in the comandments/Lwas of the Quran. " The majority of Muslims are committed to the implementation of their ideological vision of Islam in the state and/or society? | |||
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"Radical idea…two state solution: 1. Israel everything south of Jerusalem (inc parts of West Bank and Gaza). 2. Palestine everything north of Jerusalem (inc parts of West Bank and Golan Heights). 3. Jerusalem becomes an international city under UN protection. Palestine therefore gets coastline on Med (ports) and is a buffer between Israel, Lebanon, and Syria. Both sides make some sacrifice and give up some land. " The Golan Heights borders on Syria and is already subject to a land dispute with them - it would pave the way for more radical nuttiness. However, there was already a two-state solution in place in 1922. The original British Mandate for Palestine was more than double the size - but Churchill split it down the river, called the east side 'Transjordan' (now just Jordan) and handed it to the Hashemites of Saudi, rather than anyone from the actual region. It was then designated as an Arab State and Jews were prevented from buying land there. | |||
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"Jews are not equivalent to Islamists. More equivalent would be Zionists. We see people saying things about Zionists daily, and reminding us that they aren't the same as Jews. Islamists are Muslims who want to be allowed to live under Islamic laws. Zionists want to invade, ethnically cleanse and kill the Children of Goyim Weren’t ISIS Islamists? Wasn’t their aim to create a new caliphate regardless of who already lived on the land? If we are that stupid, we also believe any pirates who had the English flag on their ship, they're English navy. ISIS was mass murdering Muslims, not western invaders. So are ISIS Islamists or not? Everything they did was anti Islamic and anti Islamic law! How does that make them Islamists?! You're confusing terrorism with Islam. They wanted a Caliphate, one of their stated aims.. They were as are Boko Haran followers of the very extreme parts of their holy book.. As others have stated all of the holy books pretty much have extreme parts.. Isis are/were Muslims.. They're not Muslims. The vast majority of 2 billion Muslims look at them as amongst the worst enemies of Islam. Every Schol We know that Muslims criticised and were rightly scared of ISIS. But how would ISIS describe themselves? Pretty sure they call themselves Muslims? So did the Pirates that raised the English flags when they were ready to plunder and take sclaves on the shores of the UK Moving back to the subject, what did you think of Anderson's comments?" He threw a grenade into the tory party ,and now he is sitting laughing at the mayhem | |||
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"More equivalent would be Zionists. Not really - the equivalent would be the extreme orthodox groups like Neturei Karta - they oppose Israel because they believe a'Promised Land' should be non-secular and following Torah law to the letter. Zionism is largely secular, with no mention of God in their constitution. Every day is a school day. If Anderson said 'Nuturei Karta have control of London', would that be deemed racist in your opinion? No, because the majority of the people who identify as Jews as Not Judaists. In the ither hand, the majority of Muslims are Islamists. In the sense that they believe in the comandments/Lwas of the Quran. The majority of Muslims are not fundamentalists - at least not in the U.K" Every Muslim is a fandanentalist. It's simple in Islam, you either believe or you don't. There is no middle ground. It's like saying: a moderate mathematician doesn't believe in the fundamentals of Mathematics. | |||
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"Which would mean 'Islamists have control of London' also isn't racist?" It isn't racist but it's clumsy and inaccurate. But following current events you can see they have more than their fair share of influence. | |||
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"Jews are not equivalent to Islamists. More equivalent would be Zionists. We see people saying things about Zionists daily, and reminding us that they aren't the same as Jews. Islamists are Muslims who want to be allowed to live under Islamic laws. Zionists want to invade, ethnically cleanse and kill the Children of Goyim Weren’t ISIS Islamists? Wasn’t their aim to create a new caliphate regardless of who already lived on the land? If we are that stupid, we also believe any pirates who had the English flag on their ship, they're English navy. ISIS was mass murdering Muslims, not western invaders. So are ISIS Islamists or not? Everything they did was anti Islamic and anti Islamic law! How does that make them Islamists?! You're confusing terrorism with Islam. They wanted a Caliphate, one of their stated aims.. They were as are Boko Haran followers of the very extreme parts of their holy book.. As others have stated all of the holy books pretty much have extreme parts.. Isis are/were Muslims.. They're not Muslims. The vast majority of 2 billion Muslims look at them as amongst the worst enemies of Islam. Every Schol We know that Muslims criticised and were rightly scared of ISIS. But how would ISIS describe themselves? Pretty sure they call themselves Muslims? So did the Pirates that raised the English flags when they were ready to plunder and take sclaves on the shores of the UK Moving back to the subject, what did you think of Anderson's comments? He threw a grenade into the tory party ,and now he is sitting laughing at the mayhem "It feels good after what they did to Jeremy Corbyn | |||
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"Which would mean 'Islamists have control of London' also isn't racist? It isn't racist but it's clumsy and inaccurate. But following current events you can see they have more than their fair share of influence."  | |||
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"So... *Which race was offended here?* It was certainly an ill-advised comment for him to make. Technically not racist, but that's not what people mean when they say "racist". They mean bigoted. It smells like a bigoted comment, which is enough in politics to end a career. Unless your entire support base agrees with you and you don't care what the other side thinks. Debating the technicality of the term "racist" isn't necessarily helpful. He might personally be racist. He might very possibly hate Islam and it's followers. His comment was silly at best and bigoted at worst. More interesting than the intent or veracity of his comment is the impact, the effect it has in terms of whipping up anti-Muslim sentiment. Perhaps it does, perhaps it doesn't, but it's not a good look for a mainstream political party. " I think he showed little command of language and displayed a stupidity in his comments that were telling, I still can't believe he was so high in the tory party, it really shows the standards... However Khan has capitalised on this by doubling down on his reference to Anderson and his racist comments, videos and news conferences. They both seem to be promoting themselves to the very simple of mind to stir up as much noise as they can, by attracting those that react without listening. | |||
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"More equivalent would be Zionists. Not really - the equivalent would be the extreme orthodox groups like Neturei Karta - they oppose Israel because they believe a'Promised Land' should be non-secular and following Torah law to the letter. Zionism is largely secular, with no mention of God in their constitution. Every day is a school day. If Anderson said 'Nuturei Karta have control of London', would that be deemed racist in your opinion? No, because the majority of the people who identify as Jews as Not Judaists. In the ither hand, the majority of Muslims are Islamists. In the sense that they believe in the comandments/Lwas of the Quran. The majority of Muslims are not fundamentalists - at least not in the U.K Every Muslim is a fandanentalist. It's simple in Islam, you either believe or you don't. There is no middle ground. It's like saying: a moderate mathematician doesn't believe in the fundamentals of Mathematics. " Glad we finally got to the bottom of that. | |||
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"I thought the climate protesters had control of the mayor as they had free reign of the streets with the police standing by. "I thought the LGBTQIA+ religion had control as they were displaying rainbow flags everywhere in Ramadan! Lol | |||
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" I think he showed little command of language and displayed a stupidity in his comments that were telling, I still can't believe he was so high in the tory party, it really shows the standards... " He is a perfect foil to Rishi's wealth and JRM's... Well, everything. The Conservatives need the demographic he brings. Red wall, all that. | |||
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"More equivalent would be Zionists. Not really - the equivalent would be the extreme orthodox groups like Neturei Karta - they oppose Israel because they believe a'Promised Land' should be non-secular and following Torah law to the letter. Zionism is largely secular, with no mention of God in their constitution. Every day is a school day. If Anderson said 'Nuturei Karta have control of London', would that be deemed racist in your opinion? No, because the majority of the people who identify as Jews as Not Judaists. In the ither hand, the majority of Muslims are Islamists. In the sense that they believe in the comandments/Lwas of the Quran. The majority of Muslims are not fundamentalists - at least not in the U.K Every Muslim is a fandanentalist. It's simple in Islam, you either believe or you don't. There is no middle ground. It's like saying: a moderate mathematician doesn't believe in the fundamentals of Mathematics. Glad we finally got to the bottom of that." There is a reason why every Ideologism dies out and Islam doesn't fade away | |||
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"More equivalent would be Zionists. Not really - the equivalent would be the extreme orthodox groups like Neturei Karta - they oppose Israel because they believe a'Promised Land' should be non-secular and following Torah law to the letter. Zionism is largely secular, with no mention of God in their constitution. Every day is a school day. If Anderson said 'Nuturei Karta have control of London', would that be deemed racist in your opinion? No, because the majority of the people who identify as Jews as Not Judaists. In the ither hand, the majority of Muslims are Islamists. In the sense that they believe in the comandments/Lwas of the Quran. The majority of Muslims are not fundamentalists - at least not in the U.K Every Muslim is a fandanentalist. It's simple in Islam, you either believe or you don't. There is no middle ground. It's like saying: a moderate mathematician doesn't believe in the fundamentals of Mathematics. " I believe in imaginary numbers. | |||
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"I thought the climate protesters had control of the mayor as they had free reign of the streets with the police standing by. "Na, surely it's the tube drivers..  | |||
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"I thought the climate protesters had control of the mayor as they had free reign of the streets with the police standing by.
I thought the LGBTQIA+ religion had control as they were displaying rainbow flags everywhere in Ramadan! Lol"No race mentioned so no racism. | |||
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"I thought the climate protesters had control of the mayor as they had free reign of the streets with the police standing by.
I thought the LGBTQIA+ religion had control as they were displaying rainbow flags everywhere in Ramadan! Lol
No race mentioned so no racism. "Don't they call homophobia bigotry? | |||
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"More equivalent would be Zionists. Not really - the equivalent would be the extreme orthodox groups like Neturei Karta - they oppose Israel because they believe a'Promised Land' should be non-secular and following Torah law to the letter. Zionism is largely secular, with no mention of God in their constitution. Every day is a school day. If Anderson said 'Nuturei Karta have control of London', would that be deemed racist in your opinion? No, because the majority of the people who identify as Jews as Not Judaists. In the ither hand, the majority of Muslims are Islamists. In the sense that they believe in the comandments/Lwas of the Quran. The majority of Muslims are not fundamentalists - at least not in the U.K Every Muslim is a fandanentalist. It's simple in Islam, you either believe or you don't. There is no middle ground. It's like saying: a moderate mathematician doesn't believe in the fundamentals of Mathematics. I believe in imaginary numbers. "I believe my great grand father was Monkey. I know because they have proven that in the lab and then they told me at school. So it must be true. Lol | |||
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"More equivalent would be Zionists. Not really - the equivalent would be the extreme orthodox groups like Neturei Karta - they oppose Israel because they believe a'Promised Land' should be non-secular and following Torah law to the letter. Zionism is largely secular, with no mention of God in their constitution. Every day is a school day. If Anderson said 'Nuturei Karta have control of London', would that be deemed racist in your opinion? No, because the majority of the people who identify as Jews as Not Judaists. In the ither hand, the majority of Muslims are Islamists. In the sense that they believe in the comandments/Lwas of the Quran. The majority of Muslims are not fundamentalists - at least not in the U.K Every Muslim is a fandanentalist. It's simple in Islam, you either believe or you don't. There is no middle ground. It's like saying: a moderate mathematician doesn't believe in the fundamentals of Mathematics. " If every Muslim is a fundamentalist then every Muslim is a supporter of terror carried out in the name of Islam. I don’t believe that’s the case, do you? | |||
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"More equivalent would be Zionists. Not really - the equivalent would be the extreme orthodox groups like Neturei Karta - they oppose Israel because they believe a'Promised Land' should be non-secular and following Torah law to the letter. Zionism is largely secular, with no mention of God in their constitution. Every day is a school day. If Anderson said 'Nuturei Karta have control of London', would that be deemed racist in your opinion? No, because the majority of the people who identify as Jews as Not Judaists. In the ither hand, the majority of Muslims are Islamists. In the sense that they believe in the comandments/Lwas of the Quran. The majority of Muslims are not fundamentalists - at least not in the U.K Every Muslim is a fandanentalist. It's simple in Islam, you either believe or you don't. There is no middle ground. It's like saying: a moderate mathematician doesn't believe in the fundamentals of Mathematics. I believe in imaginary numbers.
I believe my great grand father was Monkey. I know because they have proven that in the lab and then they told me at school. So it must be true. Lol "And the great grand father of the monkey was a fish and great grand father of the fish was a microscopic cell and the great grand father of the cell was a chunk of dust. They wnrt back in the time machine, took a microscope and saw it all happening. nice bed time story | |||
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"More equivalent would be Zionists. Not really - the equivalent would be the extreme orthodox groups like Neturei Karta - they oppose Israel because they believe a'Promised Land' should be non-secular and following Torah law to the letter. Zionism is largely secular, with no mention of God in their constitution. Every day is a school day. If Anderson said 'Nuturei Karta have control of London', would that be deemed racist in your opinion? No, because the majority of the people who identify as Jews as Not Judaists. In the ither hand, the majority of Muslims are Islamists. In the sense that they believe in the comandments/Lwas of the Quran. The majority of Muslims are not fundamentalists - at least not in the U.K Every Muslim is a fandanentalist. It's simple in Islam, you either believe or you don't. There is no middle ground. It's like saying: a moderate mathematician doesn't believe in the fundamentals of Mathematics. Glad we finally got to the bottom of that. There is a reason why every Ideologism dies out and Islam doesn't fade away" A good Muslim preys 5 times a day to their god and prophet.? | |||
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"More equivalent would be Zionists. Not really - the equivalent would be the extreme orthodox groups like Neturei Karta - they oppose Israel because they believe a'Promised Land' should be non-secular and following Torah law to the letter. Zionism is largely secular, with no mention of God in their constitution. Every day is a school day. If Anderson said 'Nuturei Karta have control of London', would that be deemed racist in your opinion? No, because the majority of the people who identify as Jews as Not Judaists. In the ither hand, the majority of Muslims are Islamists. In the sense that they believe in the comandments/Lwas of the Quran. The majority of Muslims are not fundamentalists - at least not in the U.K Every Muslim is a fandanentalist. It's simple in Islam, you either believe or you don't. There is no middle ground. It's like saying: a moderate mathematician doesn't believe in the fundamentals of Mathematics. I believe in imaginary numbers.
I believe my great grand father was Monkey. I know because they have proven that in the lab and then they told me at school. So it must be true. Lol
And the great grand father of the monkey was a fish and great grand father of the fish was a microscopic cell and the great grand father of the cell was a chunk of dust. They wnrt back in the time machine, took a microscope and saw it all happening.
nice bed time story"Are you denying evolution? | |||
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"More equivalent would be Zionists. Not really - the equivalent would be the extreme orthodox groups like Neturei Karta - they oppose Israel because they believe a'Promised Land' should be non-secular and following Torah law to the letter. Zionism is largely secular, with no mention of God in their constitution. Every day is a school day. If Anderson said 'Nuturei Karta have control of London', would that be deemed racist in your opinion? No, because the majority of the people who identify as Jews as Not Judaists. In the ither hand, the majority of Muslims are Islamists. In the sense that they believe in the comandments/Lwas of the Quran. The majority of Muslims are not fundamentalists - at least not in the U.K Every Muslim is a fandanentalist. It's simple in Islam, you either believe or you don't. There is no middle ground. It's like saying: a moderate mathematician doesn't believe in the fundamentals of Mathematics. If every Muslim is a fundamentalist then every Muslim is a supporter of terror carried out in the name of Islam. I don’t believe that’s the case, do you?" When you base your conclusions on assumptions. You're most likely to end up with delusions. Islam is not synonyms to Terror. So you believe a good Muslim is a Muslim that doesn't believe in Islam | |||
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"More equivalent would be Zionists. Not really - the equivalent would be the extreme orthodox groups like Neturei Karta - they oppose Israel because they believe a'Promised Land' should be non-secular and following Torah law to the letter. Zionism is largely secular, with no mention of God in their constitution. Every day is a school day. If Anderson said 'Nuturei Karta have control of London', would that be deemed racist in your opinion? No, because the majority of the people who identify as Jews as Not Judaists. In the ither hand, the majority of Muslims are Islamists. In the sense that they believe in the comandments/Lwas of the Quran. The majority of Muslims are not fundamentalists - at least not in the U.K Every Muslim is a fandanentalist. It's simple in Islam, you either believe or you don't. There is no middle ground. It's like saying: a moderate mathematician doesn't believe in the fundamentals of Mathematics. I believe in imaginary numbers.
I believe my great grand father was Monkey. I know because they have proven that in the lab and then they told me at school. So it must be true. Lol
And the great grand father of the monkey was a fish and great grand father of the fish was a microscopic cell and the great grand father of the cell was a chunk of dust. They wnrt back in the time machine, took a microscope and saw it all happening.
nice bed time story
Are you denying evolution? "Most of it is Pseudoscience and filling the holes with fiction. | |||
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"More equivalent would be Zionists. Not really - the equivalent would be the extreme orthodox groups like Neturei Karta - they oppose Israel because they believe a'Promised Land' should be non-secular and following Torah law to the letter. Zionism is largely secular, with no mention of God in their constitution. Every day is a school day. If Anderson said 'Nuturei Karta have control of London', would that be deemed racist in your opinion? No, because the majority of the people who identify as Jews as Not Judaists. In the ither hand, the majority of Muslims are Islamists. In the sense that they believe in the comandments/Lwas of the Quran. The majority of Muslims are not fundamentalists - at least not in the U.K Every Muslim is a fandanentalist. It's simple in Islam, you either believe or you don't. There is no middle ground. It's like saying: a moderate mathematician doesn't believe in the fundamentals of Mathematics. I believe in imaginary numbers.
I believe my great grand father was Monkey. I know because they have proven that in the lab and then they told me at school. So it must be true. Lol
And the great grand father of the monkey was a fish and great grand father of the fish was a microscopic cell and the great grand father of the cell was a chunk of dust. They wnrt back in the time machine, took a microscope and saw it all happening.
nice bed time story
Are you denying evolution?
Most of it is Pseudoscience and filling the holes with fiction. "Like Adam and Eve? | |||
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"More equivalent would be Zionists. Not really - the equivalent would be the extreme orthodox groups like Neturei Karta - they oppose Israel because they believe a'Promised Land' should be non-secular and following Torah law to the letter. Zionism is largely secular, with no mention of God in their constitution. Every day is a school day. If Anderson said 'Nuturei Karta have control of London', would that be deemed racist in your opinion? No, because the majority of the people who identify as Jews as Not Judaists. In the ither hand, the majority of Muslims are Islamists. In the sense that they believe in the comandments/Lwas of the Quran. The majority of Muslims are not fundamentalists - at least not in the U.K Every Muslim is a fandanentalist. It's simple in Islam, you either believe or you don't. There is no middle ground. It's like saying: a moderate mathematician doesn't believe in the fundamentals of Mathematics. Glad we finally got to the bottom of that. There is a reason why every Ideologism dies out and Islam doesn't fade away A good Muslim preys 5 times a day to their god and prophet.?" You're confusing Islam with Roman Christianity | |||
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"More equivalent would be Zionists. Not really - the equivalent would be the extreme orthodox groups like Neturei Karta - they oppose Israel because they believe a'Promised Land' should be non-secular and following Torah law to the letter. Zionism is largely secular, with no mention of God in their constitution. Every day is a school day. If Anderson said 'Nuturei Karta have control of London', would that be deemed racist in your opinion? No, because the majority of the people who identify as Jews as Not Judaists. In the ither hand, the majority of Muslims are Islamists. In the sense that they believe in the comandments/Lwas of the Quran. The majority of Muslims are not fundamentalists - at least not in the U.K Every Muslim is a fandanentalist. It's simple in Islam, you either believe or you don't. There is no middle ground. It's like saying: a moderate mathematician doesn't believe in the fundamentals of Mathematics. I believe in imaginary numbers.
I believe my great grand father was Monkey. I know because they have proven that in the lab and then they told me at school. So it must be true. Lol
And the great grand father of the monkey was a fish and great grand father of the fish was a microscopic cell and the great grand father of the cell was a chunk of dust. They wnrt back in the time machine, took a microscope and saw it all happening.
nice bed time story
Are you denying evolution?
Most of it is Pseudoscience and filling the holes with fiction. Like Adam and Eve?"Makes more sense than a piece of clay made a DNA inteligent code by accident | |||
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"More equivalent would be Zionists. Not really - the equivalent would be the extreme orthodox groups like Neturei Karta - they oppose Israel because they believe a'Promised Land' should be non-secular and following Torah law to the letter. Zionism is largely secular, with no mention of God in their constitution. Every day is a school day. If Anderson said 'Nuturei Karta have control of London', would that be deemed racist in your opinion? No, because the majority of the people who identify as Jews as Not Judaists. In the ither hand, the majority of Muslims are Islamists. In the sense that they believe in the comandments/Lwas of the Quran. The majority of Muslims are not fundamentalists - at least not in the U.K Every Muslim is a fandanentalist. It's simple in Islam, you either believe or you don't. There is no middle ground. It's like saying: a moderate mathematician doesn't believe in the fundamentals of Mathematics. Glad we finally got to the bottom of that. There is a reason why every Ideologism dies out and Islam doesn't fade away A good Muslim preys 5 times a day to their god and prophet.? You're confusing Islam with Roman Christianity" My bad, I should of said worship and messenger, the question still stands | |||
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"More equivalent would be Zionists. Not really - the equivalent would be the extreme orthodox groups like Neturei Karta - they oppose Israel because they believe a'Promised Land' should be non-secular and following Torah law to the letter. Zionism is largely secular, with no mention of God in their constitution. Every day is a school day. If Anderson said 'Nuturei Karta have control of London', would that be deemed racist in your opinion? No, because the majority of the people who identify as Jews as Not Judaists. In the ither hand, the majority of Muslims are Islamists. In the sense that they believe in the comandments/Lwas of the Quran. The majority of Muslims are not fundamentalists - at least not in the U.K Every Muslim is a fandanentalist. It's simple in Islam, you either believe or you don't. There is no middle ground. It's like saying: a moderate mathematician doesn't believe in the fundamentals of Mathematics. Glad we finally got to the bottom of that. There is a reason why every Ideologism dies out and Islam doesn't fade away A good Muslim preys 5 times a day to their god and prophet.? You're confusing Islam with Roman Christianity My bad, I should of said worship and messenger, the question still stands" Having a date with your maker 5 times a day is part of it yes. W | |||
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"More equivalent would be Zionists. Not really - the equivalent would be the extreme orthodox groups like Neturei Karta - they oppose Israel because they believe a'Promised Land' should be non-secular and following Torah law to the letter. Zionism is largely secular, with no mention of God in their constitution. Every day is a school day. If Anderson said 'Nuturei Karta have control of London', would that be deemed racist in your opinion? No, because the majority of the people who identify as Jews as Not Judaists. In the ither hand, the majority of Muslims are Islamists. In the sense that they believe in the comandments/Lwas of the Quran. The majority of Muslims are not fundamentalists - at least not in the U.K Every Muslim is a fandanentalist. It's simple in Islam, you either believe or you don't. There is no middle ground. It's like saying: a moderate mathematician doesn't believe in the fundamentals of Mathematics. I believe in imaginary numbers.
I believe my great grand father was Monkey. I know because they have proven that in the lab and then they told me at school. So it must be true. Lol
And the great grand father of the monkey was a fish and great grand father of the fish was a microscopic cell and the great grand father of the cell was a chunk of dust. They wnrt back in the time machine, took a microscope and saw it all happening.
nice bed time story
Are you denying evolution?
Most of it is Pseudoscience and filling the holes with fiction. Like Adam and Eve?
Makes more sense than a piece of clay made a DNA inteligent code by accident"According to story Adam was made from clay, are you happy with that version? | |||
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"So the fall-out from the political fraudster's (Lee Anderson) racist comment continues today with the Conservative Party fracturing down the middle. Odd that those who still refuse to condemn the loutish racism of Lee Anderson's words are still struggling to explain why this comment would be anti-semitic, but his comments were not islamaphobic: "The Jews have control over the mayor of London and the Jews have control over London." Mind you the same could be said of Suell Bravermans comments... What would have been the outcry if she had said "The Jews, the extemists, the anti-Christians are in charge now."I have no dog in this fight but could the OP explain to me why Lee Anderson comment were racist. Everyone I ask tell me they were racist but cannot not explain why they are racist. Replace Anderson’s word “Islamist” with Jew, Zionist, Black etc. and that would quite rightly be considered racist. Anderson suggested that an extremist faction of a religious group had control over the mayor of London and if that was said about any other group it would be deemed racist. " Thank you OP for explaining. | |||
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"More equivalent would be Zionists. Not really - the equivalent would be the extreme orthodox groups like Neturei Karta - they oppose Israel because they believe a'Promised Land' should be non-secular and following Torah law to the letter. Zionism is largely secular, with no mention of God in their constitution. Every day is a school day. If Anderson said 'Nuturei Karta have control of London', would that be deemed racist in your opinion? No, because the majority of the people who identify as Jews as Not Judaists. In the ither hand, the majority of Muslims are Islamists. In the sense that they believe in the comandments/Lwas of the Quran. The majority of Muslims are not fundamentalists - at least not in the U.K Every Muslim is a fandanentalist. It's simple in Islam, you either believe or you don't. There is no middle ground. It's like saying: a moderate mathematician doesn't believe in the fundamentals of Mathematics. I believe in imaginary numbers.
I believe my great grand father was Monkey. I know because they have proven that in the lab and then they told me at school. So it must be true. Lol
And the great grand father of the monkey was a fish and great grand father of the fish was a microscopic cell and the great grand father of the cell was a chunk of dust. They wnrt back in the time machine, took a microscope and saw it all happening.
nice bed time story
Are you denying evolution?
Most of it is Pseudoscience and filling the holes with fiction. Like Adam and Eve?
Makes more sense than a piece of clay made a DNA inteligent code by accident
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"So the fall-out from the political fraudster's (Lee Anderson) racist comment continues today with the Conservative Party fracturing down the middle. Odd that those who still refuse to condemn the loutish racism of Lee Anderson's words are still struggling to explain why this comment would be anti-semitic, but his comments were not islamaphobic: "The Jews have control over the mayor of London and the Jews have control over London." Mind you the same could be said of Suell Bravermans comments... What would have been the outcry if she had said "The Jews, the extemists, the anti-Christians are in charge now."I have no dog in this fight but could the OP explain to me why Lee Anderson comment were racist. Everyone I ask tell me they were racist but cannot not explain why they are racist. Replace Anderson’s word “Islamist” with Jew, Zionist, Black etc. and that would quite rightly be considered racist. Anderson suggested that an extremist faction of a religious group had control over the mayor of London and if that was said about any other group it would be deemed racist. Thank you OP for explaining. " I'm sorry but that is not correct. This is an interpretation to try and prove racism. Islamists are not a race, what the poster suggested if it were any other group it would be called racist, again this is not true if the group was a religion. I think this says more about how people see Muslims as being brown or black and not differentiating the religion from the race. | |||
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" I believe my great grand father was Monkey. I know because they have proven that in the lab and then they told me at school. So it must be true. Lol And the great grand father of the monkey was a fish and great grand father of the fish was a microscopic cell and the great grand father of the cell was a chunk of dust. They wnrt back in the time machine, took a microscope and saw it all happening. nice bed time story Are you denying evolution? Most of it is Pseudoscience and filling the holes with fiction. " (5:60) Then say to them: 'Shall I tell you about those whose retribution with Allah is even worse? They are the ones whom Allah has cursed, and who incurred His wrath and some of whom were changed into apes and swine...' Is this science fiction? https://www.islamicstudies.info/tafheem.php?sura=5&verse=57&to=60 | |||
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"More equivalent would be Zionists. Not really - the equivalent would be the extreme orthodox groups like Neturei Karta - they oppose Israel because they believe a'Promised Land' should be non-secular and following Torah law to the letter. Zionism is largely secular, with no mention of God in their constitution. Every day is a school day. If Anderson said 'Nuturei Karta have control of London', would that be deemed racist in your opinion? No, because the majority of the people who identify as Jews as Not Judaists. In the ither hand, the majority of Muslims are Islamists. In the sense that they believe in the comandments/Lwas of the Quran. The majority of Muslims are not fundamentalists - at least not in the U.K Every Muslim is a fandanentalist. It's simple in Islam, you either believe or you don't. There is no middle ground. It's like saying: a moderate mathematician doesn't believe in the fundamentals of Mathematics. Glad we finally got to the bottom of that. There is a reason why every Ideologism dies out and Islam doesn't fade away A good Muslim preys 5 times a day to their god and prophet.? You're confusing Islam with Roman Christianity My bad, I should of said worship and messenger, the question still stands Having a date with your maker 5 times a day is part of it yes. W" And you prey to Mohamed in your prayers. | |||
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"More equivalent would be Zionists. Not really - the equivalent would be the extreme orthodox groups like Neturei Karta - they oppose Israel because they believe a'Promised Land' should be non-secular and following Torah law to the letter. Zionism is largely secular, with no mention of God in their constitution. Every day is a school day. If Anderson said 'Nuturei Karta have control of London', would that be deemed racist in your opinion? No, because the majority of the people who identify as Jews as Not Judaists. In the ither hand, the majority of Muslims are Islamists. In the sense that they believe in the comandments/Lwas of the Quran. The majority of Muslims are not fundamentalists - at least not in the U.K Every Muslim is a fandanentalist. It's simple in Islam, you either believe or you don't. There is no middle ground. It's like saying: a moderate mathematician doesn't believe in the fundamentals of Mathematics. Glad we finally got to the bottom of that. There is a reason why every Ideologism dies out and Islam doesn't fade away A good Muslim preys 5 times a day to their god and prophet.? You're confusing Islam with Roman Christianity My bad, I should of said worship and messenger, the question still stands Having a date with your maker 5 times a day is part of it yes. W And you prey to Mohamed in your prayers." Muslims don't prey to himan beings. Christians prey to Jesus. Musl | |||
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"More equivalent would be Zionists. Not really - the equivalent would be the extreme orthodox groups like Neturei Karta - they oppose Israel because they believe a'Promised Land' should be non-secular and following Torah law to the letter. Zionism is largely secular, with no mention of God in their constitution. Every day is a school day. If Anderson said 'Nuturei Karta have control of London', would that be deemed racist in your opinion? No, because the majority of the people who identify as Jews as Not Judaists. In the ither hand, the majority of Muslims are Islamists. In the sense that they believe in the comandments/Lwas of the Quran. The majority of Muslims are not fundamentalists - at least not in the U.K Every Muslim is a fandanentalist. It's simple in Islam, you either believe or you don't. There is no middle ground. It's like saying: a moderate mathematician doesn't believe in the fundamentals of Mathematics. Glad we finally got to the bottom of that. There is a reason why every Ideologism dies out and Islam doesn't fade away A good Muslim preys 5 times a day to their god and prophet.? You're confusing Islam with Roman Christianity My bad, I should of said worship and messenger, the question still stands Having a date with your maker 5 times a day is part of it yes. W And you prey to Mohamed in your prayers. Muslims don't prey to himan beings. Christians prey to Jesus. Musl " In the salawat to Mohamed peace be upon you o prophet and the salam that is sent, is being sent to a dead guy an idol. | |||
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"More equivalent would be Zionists. Not really - the equivalent would be the extreme orthodox groups like Neturei Karta - they oppose Israel because they believe a'Promised Land' should be non-secular and following Torah law to the letter. Zionism is largely secular, with no mention of God in their constitution. Every day is a school day. If Anderson said 'Nuturei Karta have control of London', would that be deemed racist in your opinion? No, because the majority of the people who identify as Jews as Not Judaists. In the ither hand, the majority of Muslims are Islamists. In the sense that they believe in the comandments/Lwas of the Quran. The majority of Muslims are not fundamentalists - at least not in the U.K Every Muslim is a fandanentalist. It's simple in Islam, you either believe or you don't. There is no middle ground. It's like saying: a moderate mathematician doesn't believe in the fundamentals of Mathematics. I believe in imaginary numbers.
I believe my great grand father was Monkey. I know because they have proven that in the lab and then they told me at school. So it must be true. Lol "one, (or should I say the square root of minus one) i was making a maths joke that would have had the lecture halls rolling with laughter. Honest. 2. If they said that it was a wild simplification to help eleven year olds engage. But the scepticism you show for science is as equally applied to creationism and religion. Even if you believe in creationism you need to pick a flavour with certainty. That certainty my leap of faith is correct, and others making a similar leap are wromh is an interesting psychology. A difference between science and religion is scientists will change their mind. | |||
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"More equivalent would be Zionists. Not really - the equivalent would be the extreme orthodox groups like Neturei Karta - they oppose Israel because they believe a'Promised Land' should be non-secular and following Torah law to the letter. Zionism is largely secular, with no mention of God in their constitution. Every day is a school day. If Anderson said 'Nuturei Karta have control of London', would that be deemed racist in your opinion? No, because the majority of the people who identify as Jews as Not Judaists. In the ither hand, the majority of Muslims are Islamists. In the sense that they believe in the comandments/Lwas of the Quran. The majority of Muslims are not fundamentalists - at least not in the U.K Every Muslim is a fandanentalist. It's simple in Islam, you either believe or you don't. There is no middle ground. It's like saying: a moderate mathematician doesn't believe in the fundamentals of Mathematics. If every Muslim is a fundamentalist then every Muslim is a supporter of terror carried out in the name of Islam. I don’t believe that’s the case, do you? When you base your conclusions on assumptions. You're most likely to end up with delusions. Islam is not synonyms to Terror. So you believe a good Muslim is a Muslim that doesn't believe in Islam "I believe that most followers is Islam are moderate, decent people. I believe that Islamists are a minority of fundamentalists, who are the opposite of moderate. The definition of Islamist supports my stance. | |||
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"More equivalent would be Zionists. Not really - the equivalent would be the extreme orthodox groups like Neturei Karta - they oppose Israel because they believe a'Promised Land' should be non-secular and following Torah law to the letter. Zionism is largely secular, with no mention of God in their constitution. Every day is a school day. If Anderson said 'Nuturei Karta have control of London', would that be deemed racist in your opinion? No, because the majority of the people who identify as Jews as Not Judaists. In the ither hand, the majority of Muslims are Islamists. In the sense that they believe in the comandments/Lwas of the Quran. The majority of Muslims are not fundamentalists - at least not in the U.K Every Muslim is a fandanentalist. It's simple in Islam, you either believe or you don't. There is no middle ground. It's like saying: a moderate mathematician doesn't believe in the fundamentals of Mathematics. Glad we finally got to the bottom of that. There is a reason why every Ideologism dies out and Islam doesn't fade away A good Muslim preys 5 times a day to their god and prophet.? You're confusing Islam with Roman Christianity My bad, I should of said worship and messenger, the question still stands Having a date with your maker 5 times a day is part of it yes. W And you prey to Mohamed in your prayers. Muslims don't prey to himan beings. Christians prey to Jesus. Musl In the salawat to Mohamed peace be upon you o prophet and the salam that is sent, is being sent to a dead guy an idol. "Yeah. When you go to the grave yard, you can speak to the dead and say Peace be Unto you. As you can say it to the living. That's the Islamic greeting to human beings. In Arabic Salam. You're not worshipping people that you are greeting and you're not praying to them. | |||
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"More equivalent would be Zionists. Not really - the equivalent would be the extreme orthodox groups like Neturei Karta - they oppose Israel because they believe a'Promised Land' should be non-secular and following Torah law to the letter. Zionism is largely secular, with no mention of God in their constitution. Every day is a school day. If Anderson said 'Nuturei Karta have control of London', would that be deemed racist in your opinion? No, because the majority of the people who identify as Jews as Not Judaists. In the ither hand, the majority of Muslims are Islamists. In the sense that they believe in the comandments/Lwas of the Quran. The majority of Muslims are not fundamentalists - at least not in the U.K Every Muslim is a fandanentalist. It's simple in Islam, you either believe or you don't. There is no middle ground. It's like saying: a moderate mathematician doesn't believe in the fundamentals of Mathematics. If every Muslim is a fundamentalist then every Muslim is a supporter of terror carried out in the name of Islam. I don’t believe that’s the case, do you? When you base your conclusions on assumptions. You're most likely to end up with delusions. Islam is not synonyms to Terror. So you believe a good Muslim is a Muslim that doesn't believe in Islam
I believe that most followers is Islam are moderate, decent people.
I believe that Islamists are a minority of fundamentalists, who are the opposite of moderate. The definition of Islamist supports my stance. "Ok, let's get to the bottom of things. What's the definition of Islamist. Same for fundamentalist? And why it's a bad thing. Second why there is no equivalent usage for Christianist or Judaist? | |||
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"More equivalent would be Zionists. Not really - the equivalent would be the extreme orthodox groups like Neturei Karta - they oppose Israel because they believe a'Promised Land' should be non-secular and following Torah law to the letter. Zionism is largely secular, with no mention of God in their constitution. Every day is a school day. If Anderson said 'Nuturei Karta have control of London', would that be deemed racist in your opinion? No, because the majority of the people who identify as Jews as Not Judaists. In the ither hand, the majority of Muslims are Islamists. In the sense that they believe in the comandments/Lwas of the Quran. The majority of Muslims are not fundamentalists - at least not in the U.K Every Muslim is a fandanentalist. It's simple in Islam, you either believe or you don't. There is no middle ground. It's like saying: a moderate mathematician doesn't believe in the fundamentals of Mathematics. I believe in imaginary numbers.
I believe my great grand father was Monkey. I know because they have proven that in the lab and then they told me at school. So it must be true. Lol one, (or should I say the square root of minus one) i was making a maths joke that would have had the lecture halls rolling with laughter. Honest.
2. If they said that it was a wild simplification to help eleven year olds engage.
But the scepticism you show for science is as equally applied to creationism and religion. Even if you believe in creationism you need to pick a flavour with certainty. That certainty my leap of faith is correct, and others making a similar leap are wromh is an interesting psychology.
A difference between science and religion is scientists will change their mind. "There is a fine line between science and Pesudo science. Islam commands Muslims to keep an open and skeptical mind and to use our God given brain and built in rationale. Not blind faith and just go with flow or just follow the doctrines of your ancestors. People are easily manipulated. As soon you tell them scientists said so, they just stay in line and follow. | |||
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" Second why there is no equivalent usage for Christianist or Judaist? " It is rare to find a cohesive group of either who want states run along strict religious lines. | |||
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" Second why there is no equivalent usage for Christianist or Judaist? It is rare to find a cohesive group of either who want states run along strict religious lines." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_fundamentalism | |||
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" People are easily manipulated. As soon you tell them scientists said so, they just stay in line and follow. " Irony. | |||
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"More equivalent would be Zionists. Not really - the equivalent would be the extreme orthodox groups like Neturei Karta - they oppose Israel because they believe a'Promised Land' should be non-secular and following Torah law to the letter. Zionism is largely secular, with no mention of God in their constitution. Every day is a school day. If Anderson said 'Nuturei Karta have control of London', would that be deemed racist in your opinion? No, because the majority of the people who identify as Jews as Not Judaists. In the ither hand, the majority of Muslims are Islamists. In the sense that they believe in the comandments/Lwas of the Quran. The majority of Muslims are not fundamentalists - at least not in the U.K Every Muslim is a fandanentalist. It's simple in Islam, you either believe or you don't. There is no middle ground. It's like saying: a moderate mathematician doesn't believe in the fundamentals of Mathematics. I believe in imaginary numbers.
I believe my great grand father was Monkey. I know because they have proven that in the lab and then they told me at school. So it must be true. Lol one, (or should I say the square root of minus one) i was making a maths joke that would have had the lecture halls rolling with laughter. Honest.
2. If they said that it was a wild simplification to help eleven year olds engage.
But the scepticism you show for science is as equally applied to creationism and religion. Even if you believe in creationism you need to pick a flavour with certainty. That certainty my leap of faith is correct, and others making a similar leap are wromh is an interesting psychology.
A difference between science and religion is scientists will change their mind.
There is a fine line between science and Pesudo science. Islam commands Muslims to keep an open and skeptical mind and to use our God given brain and built in rationale. Not blind faith and just go with flow or just follow the doctrines of your ancestors.
People are easily manipulated. As soon you tell them scientists said so, they just stay in line and follow. "I 'command you' to be free thinking.. But only if you live by the one true book? How is that open mindedness.. | |||
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"More equivalent would be Zionists. Not really - the equivalent would be the extreme orthodox groups like Neturei Karta - they oppose Israel because they believe a'Promised Land' should be non-secular and following Torah law to the letter. Zionism is largely secular, with no mention of God in their constitution. Every day is a school day. If Anderson said 'Nuturei Karta have control of London', would that be deemed racist in your opinion? No, because the majority of the people who identify as Jews as Not Judaists. In the ither hand, the majority of Muslims are Islamists. In the sense that they believe in the comandments/Lwas of the Quran. The majority of Muslims are not fundamentalists - at least not in the U.K Every Muslim is a fandanentalist. It's simple in Islam, you either believe or you don't. There is no middle ground. It's like saying: a moderate mathematician doesn't believe in the fundamentals of Mathematics. I believe in imaginary numbers.
I believe my great grand father was Monkey. I know because they have proven that in the lab and then they told me at school. So it must be true. Lol one, (or should I say the square root of minus one) i was making a maths joke that would have had the lecture halls rolling with laughter. Honest.
2. If they said that it was a wild simplification to help eleven year olds engage.
But the scepticism you show for science is as equally applied to creationism and religion. Even if you believe in creationism you need to pick a flavour with certainty. That certainty my leap of faith is correct, and others making a similar leap are wromh is an interesting psychology.
A difference between science and religion is scientists will change their mind.
There is a fine line between science and Pesudo science. Islam commands Muslims to keep an open and skeptical mind and to use our God given brain and built in rationale. Not blind faith and just go with flow or just follow the doctrines of your ancestors.
People are easily manipulated. As soon you tell them scientists said so, they just stay in line and follow. "there is that effect, it's well documented. However why isn't that true of religious leaders and doctrines. The difference is science puts itself up to be tested and scrutinized. And scientists tend to engage in debate. So while the man on the street may blindly trust scientists, he has more of a reason to, because of the system. I find religion leaves questions unanswered. (Eg why did Allah make man share so much DNA with animals if he made man from clay? Not expecting you to answer but from just this thread I have more questions than I've had answers) | |||
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" Second why there is no equivalent usage for Christianist or Judaist? It is rare to find a cohesive group of either who want states run along strict religious lines." You go to Prison if you don't follow the ever changing Politicians' made laws. And there is an Army of Police to enforce them. That's quite very strict. Don't you think? Majority of the people don't trust the politicians, don't agree on the laws and are obeying them by fear without conviction. At least in the case of Muslims, the guidelines are not followed by fear from men like them and you don't need much policing to apply them. Go to Mecca or Medina, you could lose a bag of full of cash and your chances of getting them back are very high. Shop keepers leave their shops open and unattended and nobody steals anything. I made a date with a woman that I was chatting with for over a year. She said she is skint at the moment. I said I can send you the travel money. She said ok. I sent her the money. She texted a couple times the next hour telling me that she's getting ready. Then she blocked me and haven't heard from her since. When you have a person that beleive in the After death judgement. Their conscience polices them. | |||
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" When you have a person that beleive in the After death judgement. Their conscience polices them. " I don’t believe in the afterlife or judgement, yet my conscience also doesn’t allow me to steal. Many so called religious folk perform abhorrent acts. Why does their conscience not stop them? | |||
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" You go to Prison if you don't follow the ever changing Politicians' made laws. And there is an Army of Police to enforce them. That's quite very strict. Don't you think? Majority of the people don't trust the politicians, don't agree on the laws and are obeying them by fear without conviction. At least in the case of Muslims, the guidelines are not followed by fear from men like them and you don't need much policing to apply them. " Laws are made by politicians who are elected and open to scrutiny and amendments etc in the place they are made and yes whilst there's a distrust of politicians there is at least the opportunity to vote them out.. I'm not sure you've made your last point tongue in cheek? If you seriously believe there is no fear in how some Muslim countries police their version of the book then looks again at how Iran enforced with fatal consequences the wearing of head coverings.. | |||
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"So the fall-out from the political fraudster's (Lee Anderson) racist comment continues today with the Conservative Party fracturing down the middle. Odd that those who still refuse to condemn the loutish racism of Lee Anderson's words are still struggling to explain why this comment would be anti-semitic, but his comments were not islamaphobic: "The Jews have control over the mayor of London and the Jews have control over London." Mind you the same could be said of Suell Bravermans comments... What would have been the outcry if she had said "The Jews, the extemists, the anti-Christians are in charge now."I have no dog in this fight but could the OP explain to me why Lee Anderson comment were racist. Everyone I ask tell me they were racist but cannot not explain why they are racist. Replace Anderson’s word “Islamist” with Jew, Zionist, Black etc. and that would quite rightly be considered racist. Anderson suggested that an extremist faction of a religious group had control over the mayor of London and if that was said about any other group it would be deemed racist. You can't replace his word with other words to then make it racist, that is not Anderson being racist, that is you changing what he said to become racist.... What is the matter with you? Does it have to be spelled out? Which of the following is a racist comment? “The blacks have control of the London Mayor and the blacks have control over the capital” “The Jews have control of the London Mayor and the Jews have control over the capital” “The Islamists have control of the London Mayor and the Islamists have control over the capital” You are conflating race with Ideology.." This reminds me of the semantics about using the word woke and what it means. As I understand it then, it’s OK to be racist if it’s about people’s skin colour and whilst it is distasteful abhorrent and disgusting being prejudiced against Jews and Muslims isn’t? That’s ok then Jew haters and Muslim haters on each side of the fence can continue to hate without fear of being called racist. Sweet | |||
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" When you have a person that beleive in the After death judgement. Their conscience polices them. I don’t believe in the afterlife or judgement, yet my conscience also doesn’t allow me to steal. Many so called religious folk perform abhorrent acts. Why does their conscience not stop them? " You don't steal. But you know and I know that most people in the current Godless culture would steal if they don't get caught. There are bad and good people with conscience in every culture, but in this environment, you're only maintaining order throught strict policing and fear of being caught. | |||
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"So the fall-out from the political fraudster's (Lee Anderson) racist comment continues today with the Conservative Party fracturing down the middle. Odd that those who still refuse to condemn the loutish racism of Lee Anderson's words are still struggling to explain why this comment would be anti-semitic, but his comments were not islamaphobic: "The Jews have control over the mayor of London and the Jews have control over London." Mind you the same could be said of Suell Bravermans comments... What would have been the outcry if she had said "The Jews, the extemists, the anti-Christians are in charge now."I have no dog in this fight but could the OP explain to me why Lee Anderson comment were racist. Everyone I ask tell me they were racist but cannot not explain why they are racist. Replace Anderson’s word “Islamist” with Jew, Zionist, Black etc. and that would quite rightly be considered racist. Anderson suggested that an extremist faction of a religious group had control over the mayor of London and if that was said about any other group it would be deemed racist. You can't replace his word with other words to then make it racist, that is not Anderson being racist, that is you changing what he said to become racist.... What is the matter with you? Does it have to be spelled out? Which of the following is a racist comment? “The blacks have control of the London Mayor and the blacks have control over the capital” “The Jews have control of the London Mayor and the Jews have control over the capital” “The Islamists have control of the London Mayor and the Islamists have control over the capital” You are conflating race with Ideology.. This reminds me of the semantics about using the word woke and what it means. As I understand it then, it’s OK to be racist if it’s about people’s skin colour and whilst it is distasteful abhorrent and disgusting being prejudiced against Jews and Muslims isn’t? That’s ok then Jew haters and Muslim haters on each side of the fence can continue to hate without fear of being called racist. Sweet" You're arguing that this reminds you of semantics whilst redefining words. | |||
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" When you have a person that beleive in the After death judgement. Their conscience polices them. I don’t believe in the afterlife or judgement, yet my conscience also doesn’t allow me to steal. Many so called religious folk perform abhorrent acts. Why does their conscience not stop them? You don't steal. But you know and I know that most people in the current Godless culture would steal if they don't get caught. There are bad and good people with conscience in every culture, but in this environment, you're only maintaining order throught strict policing and fear of being caught. " Am I? How can you be sure? Maybe I don’t steal out of respect for other people’s property. Have you considered that? | |||
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" You don't steal. But you know and I know that most people in the current Godless culture would steal if they don't get caught. There are bad and good people with conscience in every culture, but in this environment, you're only maintaining order throught strict policing and fear of being caught. " The more I think about it, the more outrageous this statement is. Would you steal, without the fear of punishment in this world or a theoretical afterlife? | |||
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" When you have a person that beleive in the After death judgement. Their conscience polices them. I don’t believe in the afterlife or judgement, yet my conscience also doesn’t allow me to steal. Many so called religious folk perform abhorrent acts. Why does their conscience not stop them? You don't steal. But you know and I know that most people in the current Godless culture would steal if they don't get caught. There are bad and good people with conscience in every culture, but in this environment, you're only maintaining order throught strict policing and fear of being caught. " No your wrong, I don't steal nor carry out other crimes not for that reason.. If you think we as a country are strictly policed that's ok but we simply aren't.. | |||
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" When you have a person that beleive in the After death judgement. Their conscience polices them. I don’t believe in the afterlife or judgement, yet my conscience also doesn’t allow me to steal. Many so called religious folk perform abhorrent acts. Why does their conscience not stop them? You don't steal. But you know and I know that most people in the current Godless culture would steal if they don't get caught. There are bad and good people with conscience in every culture, but in this environment, you're only maintaining order throught strict policing and fear of being caught. No your wrong, I don't steal nor carry out other crimes not for that reason.. If you think we as a country are strictly policed that's ok but we simply aren't.." Indeed. I reckon if you steal anything in the UK there’s a better than average chance you’ll get away Scot-free. | |||
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" You don't steal. But you know and I know that most people in the current Godless culture would steal if they don't get caught. There are bad and good people with conscience in every culture, but in this environment, you're only maintaining order throught strict policing and fear of being caught. The more I think about it, the more outrageous this statement is. Would you steal, without the fear of punishment in this world or a theoretical afterlife? " I have a hypothetical question: We live a small town, and that town has local currency. And in the town there are only 7 families that have the skills to make riffles. The rest in town can only curry knives. The 7 families also have printers, and they print the only momey allowed in town. That makes those 7 families super rich and the rest of the town barely can put food on the table. Where do you classify the moral standards of those 7 families? | |||
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"So the fall-out from the political fraudster's (Lee Anderson) racist comment continues today with the Conservative Party fracturing down the middle. Odd that those who still refuse to condemn the loutish racism of Lee Anderson's words are still struggling to explain why this comment would be anti-semitic, but his comments were not islamaphobic: "The Jews have control over the mayor of London and the Jews have control over London." Mind you the same could be said of Suell Bravermans comments... What would have been the outcry if she had said "The Jews, the extemists, the anti-Christians are in charge now."I have no dog in this fight but could the OP explain to me why Lee Anderson comment were racist. Everyone I ask tell me they were racist but cannot not explain why they are racist. Replace Anderson’s word “Islamist” with Jew, Zionist, Black etc. and that would quite rightly be considered racist. Anderson suggested that an extremist faction of a religious group had control over the mayor of London and if that was said about any other group it would be deemed racist. You can't replace his word with other words to then make it racist, that is not Anderson being racist, that is you changing what he said to become racist.... What is the matter with you? Does it have to be spelled out? Which of the following is a racist comment? “The blacks have control of the London Mayor and the blacks have control over the capital” “The Jews have control of the London Mayor and the Jews have control over the capital” “The Islamists have control of the London Mayor and the Islamists have control over the capital” You are conflating race with Ideology.. This reminds me of the semantics about using the word woke and what it means. As I understand it then, it’s OK to be racist if it’s about people’s skin colour and whilst it is distasteful abhorrent and disgusting being prejudiced against Jews and Muslims isn’t? That’s ok then Jew haters and Muslim haters on each side of the fence can continue to hate without fear of being called racist. Sweet" You really haven’t come out of this well at all. You added words into a statement to prove it was racist, words that were never used and you still can’t seem to understand race does not define a Muslim or a Jew. The final part of this was Khan stirring the pot, capitalising on Anderson’s stupidity by enflaming those who don’t care much for detail but love a row. The biggest challenge to destroying Anderson is people who attack him with the wrong argument, you will see nobody supporting what he said, only challenge here is the way people are going about it. | |||
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" You don't steal. But you know and I know that most people in the current Godless culture would steal if they don't get caught. There are bad and good people with conscience in every culture, but in this environment, you're only maintaining order throught strict policing and fear of being caught. The more I think about it, the more outrageous this statement is. Would you steal, without the fear of punishment in this world or a theoretical afterlife? I have a hypothetical question: We live a small town, and that town has local currency. And in the town there are only 7 families that have the skills to make riffles. The rest in town can only curry knives. The 7 families also have printers, and they print the only momey allowed in town. That makes those 7 families super rich and the rest of the town barely can put food on the table. Where do you classify the moral standards of those 7 families? " How about you answer my direct question before posing your own hypotheticals? Would you steal if it weren’t for the fear of punishment? If not, what would stop you? | |||
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"So the fall-out from the political fraudster's (Lee Anderson) racist comment continues today with the Conservative Party fracturing down the middle. Odd that those who still refuse to condemn the loutish racism of Lee Anderson's words are still struggling to explain why this comment would be anti-semitic, but his comments were not islamaphobic: "The Jews have control over the mayor of London and the Jews have control over London." Mind you the same could be said of Suell Bravermans comments... What would have been the outcry if she had said "The Jews, the extemists, the anti-Christians are in charge now."I have no dog in this fight but could the OP explain to me why Lee Anderson comment were racist. Everyone I ask tell me they were racist but cannot not explain why they are racist. Replace Anderson’s word “Islamist” with Jew, Zionist, Black etc. and that would quite rightly be considered racist. Anderson suggested that an extremist faction of a religious group had control over the mayor of London and if that was said about any other group it would be deemed racist. You can't replace his word with other words to then make it racist, that is not Anderson being racist, that is you changing what he said to become racist.... What is the matter with you? Does it have to be spelled out? Which of the following is a racist comment? “The blacks have control of the London Mayor and the blacks have control over the capital” “The Jews have control of the London Mayor and the Jews have control over the capital” “The Islamists have control of the London Mayor and the Islamists have control over the capital” You are conflating race with Ideology.. This reminds me of the semantics about using the word woke and what it means. As I understand it then, it’s OK to be racist if it’s about people’s skin colour and whilst it is distasteful abhorrent and disgusting being prejudiced against Jews and Muslims isn’t? That’s ok then Jew haters and Muslim haters on each side of the fence can continue to hate without fear of being called racist. Sweet You really haven’t come out of this well at all. You added words into a statement to prove it was racist, words that were never used and you still can’t seem to understand race does not define a Muslim or a Jew. The final part of this was Khan stirring the pot, capitalising on Anderson’s stupidity by enflaming those who don’t care much for detail but love a row. The biggest challenge to destroying Anderson is people who attack him with the wrong argument, you will see nobody supporting what he said, only challenge here is the way people are going about it. " So we’re all agreed that Anderson was wrong to say what he said. (Left and right alike). So there’s no problem | |||
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" You don't steal. But you know and I know that most people in the current Godless culture would steal if they don't get caught. There are bad and good people with conscience in every culture, but in this environment, you're only maintaining order throught strict policing and fear of being caught. The more I think about it, the more outrageous this statement is. Would you steal, without the fear of punishment in this world or a theoretical afterlife? I have a hypothetical question: We live a small town, and that town has local currency. And in the town there are only 7 families that have the skills to make riffles. The rest in town can only curry knives. The 7 families also have printers, and they print the only momey allowed in town. That makes those 7 families super rich and the rest of the town barely can put food on the table. Where do you classify the moral standards of those 7 families? How about you answer my direct question before posing your own hypotheticals? Would you steal if it weren’t for the fear of punishment? If not, what would stop you? " There is a softer version of the same thing. The shopping trolley theory: Would you return a shopping trolley when there is nobody to see if you do or not? 2 answers that would clearly show the moral compass of self governance, if it is answered correctly of course.. | |||
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" You don't steal. But you know and I know that most people in the current Godless culture would steal if they don't get caught. There are bad and good people with conscience in every culture, but in this environment, you're only maintaining order throught strict policing and fear of being caught. The more I think about it, the more outrageous this statement is. Would you steal, without the fear of punishment in this world or a theoretical afterlife? I have a hypothetical question: We live a small town, and that town has local currency. And in the town there are only 7 families that have the skills to make riffles. The rest in town can only curry knives. The 7 families also have printers, and they print the only momey allowed in town. That makes those 7 families super rich and the rest of the town barely can put food on the table. Where do you classify the moral standards of those 7 families? How about you answer my direct question before posing your own hypotheticals? Would you steal if it weren’t for the fear of punishment? If not, what would stop you? There is a softer version of the same thing. The shopping trolley theory: Would you return a shopping trolley when there is nobody to see if you do or not? 2 answers that would clearly show the moral compass of self governance, if it is answered correctly of course.. " If time is no object? Yeah. If I’m in a rush? No. (And if it had a quid in it, I’d give it to the homeless chap who sits outside the local Asda ) | |||
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" You don't steal. But you know and I know that most people in the current Godless culture would steal if they don't get caught. There are bad and good people with conscience in every culture, but in this environment, you're only maintaining order throught strict policing and fear of being caught. The more I think about it, the more outrageous this statement is. Would you steal, without the fear of punishment in this world or a theoretical afterlife? I have a hypothetical question: We live a small town, and that town has local currency. And in the town there are only 7 families that have the skills to make riffles. The rest in town can only curry knives. The 7 families also have printers, and they print the only momey allowed in town. That makes those 7 families super rich and the rest of the town barely can put food on the table. Where do you classify the moral standards of those 7 families? How about you answer my direct question before posing your own hypotheticals? Would you steal if it weren’t for the fear of punishment? If not, what would stop you? There is a softer version of the same thing. The shopping trolley theory: Would you return a shopping trolley when there is nobody to see if you do or not? 2 answers that would clearly show the moral compass of self governance, if it is answered correctly of course.. " My moral code is dictated to me by my maker. Just like an iPhone manual made by the engineer who made it. So your question to me is an oxymoron, because the only reason I know stealing is bad even if I don't get caught is because my maker either programmed it in my code that I feel bad about it, or he told me so in his manual. As for you, you don't have a moral source. The moment the majority of your society decide it's ok to plunder other people's waealth you'll go with the herd. | |||
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