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"Will Reform get their first MP? For a few months, at least." If he takes Mrs braverman with him that would be two. | |||
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"Will Reform get their first MP? For a few months, at least. Reform, where Conservatives can be racist out loud." You racism is a hate crime, so if you have evidence that shows the Reform party are racist or an MP is, report it, or show me and I will. | |||
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"Will Reform get their first MP? For a few months, at least. Reform, where Conservatives can be racist out loud. You racism is a hate crime, so if you have evidence that shows the Reform party are racist or an MP is, report it, or show me and I will." What/who do you think Anderson meant when he referred to ‘The Islamists?’ As far as I’m aware it’s a term with no actual definition - though it’s generally used as a slur. | |||
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"Will Reform get their first MP? For a few months, at least. Reform, where Conservatives can be racist out loud. You racism is a hate crime, so if you have evidence that shows the Reform party are racist or an MP is, report it, or show me and I will. What/who do you think Anderson meant when he referred to ‘The Islamists?’ As far as I’m aware it’s a term with no actual definition - though it’s generally used as a slur. " Grabbing at straws... An islamist is a person who supports and would like to increase the influence of islam. Can nothing be said about people who want to do that? Why would mentioning an islamist be instant racism? | |||
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"Will Reform get their first MP? For a few months, at least. Reform, where Conservatives can be racist out loud. You racism is a hate crime, so if you have evidence that shows the Reform party are racist or an MP is, report it, or show me and I will. What/who do you think Anderson meant when he referred to ‘The Islamists?’ As far as I’m aware it’s a term with no actual definition - though it’s generally used as a slur. Grabbing at straws... An islamist is a person who supports and would like to increase the influence of islam. Can nothing be said about people who want to do that? Why would mentioning an islamist be instant racism?" I’m not clutching at straws, can you link to that definition? Because I did just manage to find one which differed from yours in one important area… | |||
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"Will Reform get their first MP? For a few months, at least. Reform, where Conservatives can be racist out loud. You racism is a hate crime, so if you have evidence that shows the Reform party are racist or an MP is, report it, or show me and I will." He might not technically have crossed the line with this latest bile to come out of his mouth but are you actually trying to defend the bloke? He's Tommy Robinson in a suit.. | |||
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"Will Reform get their first MP? For a few months, at least. Reform, where Conservatives can be racist out loud. You racism is a hate crime, so if you have evidence that shows the Reform party are racist or an MP is, report it, or show me and I will. He might not technically have crossed the line with this latest bile to come out of his mouth but are you actually trying to defend the bloke? He's Tommy Robinson in a suit.." No, i would never defend racism, but I also wont listen to throw away comments claiming racism. | |||
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"Will Reform get their first MP? For a few months, at least. Reform, where Conservatives can be racist out loud. You racism is a hate crime, so if you have evidence that shows the Reform party are racist or an MP is, report it, or show me and I will. He might not technically have crossed the line with this latest bile to come out of his mouth but are you actually trying to defend the bloke? He's Tommy Robinson in a suit.." Libel is not used enough in this country. | |||
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"Will Reform get their first MP? For a few months, at least. Reform, where Conservatives can be racist out loud. You racism is a hate crime, so if you have evidence that shows the Reform party are racist or an MP is, report it, or show me and I will. He might not technically have crossed the line with this latest bile to come out of his mouth but are you actually trying to defend the bloke? He's Tommy Robinson in a suit.. No, i would never defend racism, but I also wont listen to throw away comments claiming racism. " You’re not the arbiter of what constitutes racism though. | |||
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"Will Reform get their first MP? For a few months, at least. Reform, where Conservatives can be racist out loud. You racism is a hate crime, so if you have evidence that shows the Reform party are racist or an MP is, report it, or show me and I will. He might not technically have crossed the line with this latest bile to come out of his mouth but are you actually trying to defend the bloke? He's Tommy Robinson in a suit.. Libel is not used enough in this country. " I think we’d all agree that Tommy Robinson is racist. And a defender of paedos (but that’s another story) | |||
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"Will Reform get their first MP? For a few months, at least. Reform, where Conservatives can be racist out loud. You racism is a hate crime, so if you have evidence that shows the Reform party are racist or an MP is, report it, or show me and I will. What/who do you think Anderson meant when he referred to ‘The Islamists?’ As far as I’m aware it’s a term with no actual definition - though it’s generally used as a slur. Grabbing at straws... An islamist is a person who supports and would like to increase the influence of islam. Can nothing be said about people who want to do that? Why would mentioning an islamist be instant racism? I’m not clutching at straws, can you link to that definition? Because I did just manage to find one which differed from yours in one important area…" Report him for racism. | |||
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"Will Reform get their first MP? For a few months, at least. Reform, where Conservatives can be racist out loud. You racism is a hate crime, so if you have evidence that shows the Reform party are racist or an MP is, report it, or show me and I will. What/who do you think Anderson meant when he referred to ‘The Islamists?’ As far as I’m aware it’s a term with no actual definition - though it’s generally used as a slur. Grabbing at straws... An islamist is a person who supports and would like to increase the influence of islam. Can nothing be said about people who want to do that? Why would mentioning an islamist be instant racism? I’m not clutching at straws, can you link to that definition? Because I did just manage to find one which differed from yours in one important area… Report him for racism. " I asked where you got your definition of Islamist from, that’s all. If that’s your personal opinion of what it means, that’s fine. Here’s all I could find: noun noun: Islamist; plural noun: Islamists an advocate or supporter of Islamic fundamentalism; a person who advocates increasing the influence of Islamic law in politics and society. "radical Islamists" adjective adjective: Islamist relating to, advocating, or supporting Islamic fundamentalism. "hardline Islamist groups" | |||
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"Will Reform get their first MP? For a few months, at least. Reform, where Conservatives can be racist out loud. You racism is a hate crime, so if you have evidence that shows the Reform party are racist or an MP is, report it, or show me and I will. He might not technically have crossed the line with this latest bile to come out of his mouth but are you actually trying to defend the bloke? He's Tommy Robinson in a suit.. No, i would never defend racism, but I also wont listen to throw away comments claiming racism. You’re not the arbiter of what constitutes racism though." And neither are you, are going to start the virtue signalling again, report him and he will need to be investigated. | |||
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"Will Reform get their first MP? For a few months, at least. Reform, where Conservatives can be racist out loud. You racism is a hate crime, so if you have evidence that shows the Reform party are racist or an MP is, report it, or show me and I will. He might not technically have crossed the line with this latest bile to come out of his mouth but are you actually trying to defend the bloke? He's Tommy Robinson in a suit.. Libel is not used enough in this country. " Should people be sued for calling out racism? Should non-racists be cancelled? | |||
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"Will Reform get their first MP? For a few months, at least. Reform, where Conservatives can be racist out loud. You racism is a hate crime, so if you have evidence that shows the Reform party are racist or an MP is, report it, or show me and I will. He might not technically have crossed the line with this latest bile to come out of his mouth but are you actually trying to defend the bloke? He's Tommy Robinson in a suit.. No, i would never defend racism, but I also wont listen to throw away comments claiming racism. You’re not the arbiter of what constitutes racism though. And neither are you, are going to start the virtue signalling again, report him and he will need to be investigated." You’ve demonstrated on several occasions that you don’t know what virtue signalling is. I simply asked where you got your definition of Islamist from  | |||
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"Will Reform get their first MP? For a few months, at least. Reform, where Conservatives can be racist out loud. You racism is a hate crime, so if you have evidence that shows the Reform party are racist or an MP is, report it, or show me and I will. He might not technically have crossed the line with this latest bile to come out of his mouth but are you actually trying to defend the bloke? He's Tommy Robinson in a suit.. No, i would never defend racism, but I also wont listen to throw away comments claiming racism. You’re not the arbiter of what constitutes racism though. And neither are you, are going to start the virtue signalling again, report him and he will need to be investigated. You’ve demonstrated on several occasions that you don’t know what virtue signalling is. I simply asked where you got your definition of Islamist from "noun an advocate or supporter of Islamic fundamentalism; a person who advocates increasing the influence of Islamic law in politics and society: What did he say that was racist | |||
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"Will Reform get their first MP? For a few months, at least. Reform, where Conservatives can be racist out loud. You racism is a hate crime, so if you have evidence that shows the Reform party are racist or an MP is, report it, or show me and I will. He might not technically have crossed the line with this latest bile to come out of his mouth but are you actually trying to defend the bloke? He's Tommy Robinson in a suit.. Libel is not used enough in this country. Should people be sued for calling out racism? Should non-racists be cancelled?" Unless you can prove and get a court to award in your favour that a person you are calling racist is racist then that technically is libellous. | |||
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"Will Reform get their first MP? For a few months, at least. Reform, where Conservatives can be racist out loud. You racism is a hate crime, so if you have evidence that shows the Reform party are racist or an MP is, report it, or show me and I will. He might not technically have crossed the line with this latest bile to come out of his mouth but are you actually trying to defend the bloke? He's Tommy Robinson in a suit.. No, i would never defend racism, but I also wont listen to throw away comments claiming racism. You’re not the arbiter of what constitutes racism though. And neither are you, are going to start the virtue signalling again, report him and he will need to be investigated. You’ve demonstrated on several occasions that you don’t know what virtue signalling is. I simply asked where you got your definition of Islamist from
noun
an advocate or supporter of Islamic fundamentalism; a person who advocates increasing the influence of Islamic law in politics and society:
What did he say that was racist"He claimed that Sadiq Khan has given London to those described above, did he not? Has Khan ceded London to fundamentalist Islam? | |||
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"Will Reform get their first MP? For a few months, at least. Reform, where Conservatives can be racist out loud. You racism is a hate crime, so if you have evidence that shows the Reform party are racist or an MP is, report it, or show me and I will. He might not technically have crossed the line with this latest bile to come out of his mouth but are you actually trying to defend the bloke? He's Tommy Robinson in a suit.. No, i would never defend racism, but I also wont listen to throw away comments claiming racism. You’re not the arbiter of what constitutes racism though. And neither are you, are going to start the virtue signalling again, report him and he will need to be investigated. You’ve demonstrated on several occasions that you don’t know what virtue signalling is. I simply asked where you got your definition of Islamist from
noun
an advocate or supporter of Islamic fundamentalism; a person who advocates increasing the influence of Islamic law in politics and society:
What did he say that was racist"You're a hardcore Tory right? You argue tooth and nail that they are infallible in every situation, no matter how blatantly immortal, sleazy or corrupt they are. They've suspended Anderson right? Specifically for his racist remarks. And this is the one thing you've chosen to disagree with them on! Interesting. | |||
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"Will Reform get their first MP? For a few months, at least. Reform, where Conservatives can be racist out loud. You racism is a hate crime, so if you have evidence that shows the Reform party are racist or an MP is, report it, or show me and I will. He might not technically have crossed the line with this latest bile to come out of his mouth but are you actually trying to defend the bloke? He's Tommy Robinson in a suit.. Libel is not used enough in this country. Should people be sued for calling out racism? Should non-racists be cancelled? Unless you can prove and get a court to award in your favour that a person you are calling racist is racist then that technically is libellous. " Good work. Let's silence anyone who calls out racism. In this case. The conservative party. | |||
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"Will Reform get their first MP? For a few months, at least. Reform, where Conservatives can be racist out loud. You racism is a hate crime, so if you have evidence that shows the Reform party are racist or an MP is, report it, or show me and I will. He might not technically have crossed the line with this latest bile to come out of his mouth but are you actually trying to defend the bloke? He's Tommy Robinson in a suit.. No, i would never defend racism, but I also wont listen to throw away comments claiming racism. You’re not the arbiter of what constitutes racism though. And neither are you, are going to start the virtue signalling again, report him and he will need to be investigated. You’ve demonstrated on several occasions that you don’t know what virtue signalling is. I simply asked where you got your definition of Islamist from
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an advocate or supporter of Islamic fundamentalism; a person who advocates increasing the influence of Islamic law in politics and society:
What did he say that was racist
He claimed that Sadiq Khan has given London to those described above, did he not? Has Khan ceded London to fundamentalist Islam? "He said: I don’t actually believe that the Islamists have got control of our country, but what I do believe is they’ve got control of Khan, and they’ve got control of London. To answer your question, has Khan ceded London to Islamists, which is the word he used, I think people who support and promote islam will have some influence of Khan as will other groups. What is racist about this? And if was siding towards islamist, would that be racist? | |||
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"Will Reform get their first MP? For a few months, at least. Reform, where Conservatives can be racist out loud. You racism is a hate crime, so if you have evidence that shows the Reform party are racist or an MP is, report it, or show me and I will. He might not technically have crossed the line with this latest bile to come out of his mouth but are you actually trying to defend the bloke? He's Tommy Robinson in a suit.. No, i would never defend racism, but I also wont listen to throw away comments claiming racism. " Are you defending what he said about Khan? | |||
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"Will Reform get their first MP? For a few months, at least. Reform, where Conservatives can be racist out loud. You racism is a hate crime, so if you have evidence that shows the Reform party are racist or an MP is, report it, or show me and I will. He might not technically have crossed the line with this latest bile to come out of his mouth but are you actually trying to defend the bloke? He's Tommy Robinson in a suit.. Libel is not used enough in this country. Should people be sued for calling out racism? Should non-racists be cancelled? Unless you can prove and get a court to award in your favour that a person you are calling racist is racist then that technically is libellous. Good work. Let's silence anyone who calls out racism. In this case. The conservative party." | |||
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"Will Reform get their first MP? For a few months, at least. Reform, where Conservatives can be racist out loud." . A sad reflection on the society that we live in . Lee Anderson is a hard working MP who reflects the interests of his constituents. He represents the voice of common sense and has a long term vision of future problems that we are likely to incur . There is nothing racist about identifying problems with housing and associated problems. He has a long term vision and is to be admired. | |||
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"Will Reform get their first MP? For a few months, at least. Reform, where Conservatives can be racist out loud. You racism is a hate crime, so if you have evidence that shows the Reform party are racist or an MP is, report it, or show me and I will. He might not technically have crossed the line with this latest bile to come out of his mouth but are you actually trying to defend the bloke? He's Tommy Robinson in a suit.. No, i would never defend racism, but I also wont listen to throw away comments claiming racism. You’re not the arbiter of what constitutes racism though. And neither are you, are going to start the virtue signalling again, report him and he will need to be investigated. You’ve demonstrated on several occasions that you don’t know what virtue signalling is. I simply asked where you got your definition of Islamist from
noun
an advocate or supporter of Islamic fundamentalism; a person who advocates increasing the influence of Islamic law in politics and society:
What did he say that was racist
He claimed that Sadiq Khan has given London to those described above, did he not? Has Khan ceded London to fundamentalist Islam?
He said:
I don’t actually believe that the Islamists have got control of our country, but what I do believe is they’ve got control of Khan, and they’ve got control of London.
To answer your question, has Khan ceded London to Islamists, which is the word he used, I think people who support and promote islam will have some influence of Khan as will other groups. What is racist about this?
And if was siding towards islamist, would that be racist? "Supporting and promoting Islam is not the same as followers of fundamentalist Islam (as per the definition I found above), but either way, Anderson’s comment was wholly incorrect, agreed? What do you think he was suggesting by it? What do you think Anderson was leaning towards? | |||
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"Will Reform get their first MP? For a few months, at least. Reform, where Conservatives can be racist out loud. You racism is a hate crime, so if you have evidence that shows the Reform party are racist or an MP is, report it, or show me and I will. He might not technically have crossed the line with this latest bile to come out of his mouth but are you actually trying to defend the bloke? He's Tommy Robinson in a suit.. No, i would never defend racism, but I also wont listen to throw away comments claiming racism. You’re not the arbiter of what constitutes racism though. And neither are you, are going to start the virtue signalling again, report him and he will need to be investigated. You’ve demonstrated on several occasions that you don’t know what virtue signalling is. I simply asked where you got your definition of Islamist from
noun
an advocate or supporter of Islamic fundamentalism; a person who advocates increasing the influence of Islamic law in politics and society:
What did he say that was racist
You're a hardcore Tory right? You argue tooth and nail that they are infallible in every situation, no matter how blatantly immortal, sleazy or corrupt they are.
They've suspended Anderson right? Specifically for his racist remarks. And this is the one thing you've chosen to disagree with them on!
Interesting. "You are wrong again... because I challenge people throwing racist around like confetti to prove their remarks, doesn't make me racist. Explain why the comments were racist and if they are report Anderson. You will do neither of course... | |||
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"Will Reform get their first MP? For a few months, at least. Reform, where Conservatives can be racist out loud.. A sad reflection on the society that we live in . Lee Anderson is a hard working MP who reflects the interests of his constituents. He represents the voice of common sense and has a long term vision of future problems that we are likely to incur . There is nothing racist about identifying problems with housing and associated problems. He has a long term vision and is to be admired. " Have you seen his voting record, out of interest? | |||
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"Will Reform get their first MP? For a few months, at least. Reform, where Conservatives can be racist out loud. You racism is a hate crime, so if you have evidence that shows the Reform party are racist or an MP is, report it, or show me and I will. He might not technically have crossed the line with this latest bile to come out of his mouth but are you actually trying to defend the bloke? He's Tommy Robinson in a suit.. No, i would never defend racism, but I also wont listen to throw away comments claiming racism. You’re not the arbiter of what constitutes racism though. And neither are you, are going to start the virtue signalling again, report him and he will need to be investigated. You’ve demonstrated on several occasions that you don’t know what virtue signalling is. I simply asked where you got your definition of Islamist from
noun
an advocate or supporter of Islamic fundamentalism; a person who advocates increasing the influence of Islamic law in politics and society:
What did he say that was racist
He claimed that Sadiq Khan has given London to those described above, did he not? Has Khan ceded London to fundamentalist Islam?
He said:
I don’t actually believe that the Islamists have got control of our country, but what I do believe is they’ve got control of Khan, and they’ve got control of London.
To answer your question, has Khan ceded London to Islamists, which is the word he used, I think people who support and promote islam will have some influence of Khan as will other groups. What is racist about this?
And if was siding towards islamist, would that be racist?
Supporting and promoting Islam is not the same as followers of fundamentalist Islam (as per the definition I found above), but either way, Anderson’s comment was wholly incorrect, agreed?
What do you think he was suggesting by it? What do you think Anderson was leaning towards? "Hard to tell without more detail, but unless you can point out what he said that was racist you too are in the same place of not having enough information and you seem to be twisting what was said. | |||
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"Will Reform get their first MP? For a few months, at least. Reform, where Conservatives can be racist out loud. You racism is a hate crime, so if you have evidence that shows the Reform party are racist or an MP is, report it, or show me and I will. He might not technically have crossed the line with this latest bile to come out of his mouth but are you actually trying to defend the bloke? He's Tommy Robinson in a suit.. No, i would never defend racism, but I also wont listen to throw away comments claiming racism. You’re not the arbiter of what constitutes racism though. And neither are you, are going to start the virtue signalling again, report him and he will need to be investigated. You’ve demonstrated on several occasions that you don’t know what virtue signalling is. I simply asked where you got your definition of Islamist from
noun
an advocate or supporter of Islamic fundamentalism; a person who advocates increasing the influence of Islamic law in politics and society:
What did he say that was racist
You're a hardcore Tory right? You argue tooth and nail that they are infallible in every situation, no matter how blatantly immortal, sleazy or corrupt they are.
They've suspended Anderson right? Specifically for his racist remarks. And this is the one thing you've chosen to disagree with them on!
Interesting.
You are wrong again...
"This was my first comment on the subject. So at very least, I am wrong for the first time. " because I challenge people throwing racist around like confetti to prove their remarks, doesn't make me racist. " I don't think you are, and didn't suggest you would be. " Explain why the comments were racist and if they are report Anderson. You will do neither of course..." Your infallible Tories seem to think he is. Why do you want me to report him, and to whom, and what's this got to do with anything? | |||
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"Will Reform get their first MP? For a few months, at least. Reform, where Conservatives can be racist out loud. You racism is a hate crime, so if you have evidence that shows the Reform party are racist or an MP is, report it, or show me and I will. He might not technically have crossed the line with this latest bile to come out of his mouth but are you actually trying to defend the bloke? He's Tommy Robinson in a suit.. No, i would never defend racism, but I also wont listen to throw away comments claiming racism. You’re not the arbiter of what constitutes racism though. And neither are you, are going to start the virtue signalling again, report him and he will need to be investigated. You’ve demonstrated on several occasions that you don’t know what virtue signalling is. I simply asked where you got your definition of Islamist from
noun
an advocate or supporter of Islamic fundamentalism; a person who advocates increasing the influence of Islamic law in politics and society:
What did he say that was racist
You're a hardcore Tory right? You argue tooth and nail that they are infallible in every situation, no matter how blatantly immortal, sleazy or corrupt they are.
They've suspended Anderson right? Specifically for his racist remarks. And this is the one thing you've chosen to disagree with them on!
Interesting.
You are wrong again...
because I challenge people throwing racist around like confetti to prove their remarks, doesn't make me racist.
Explain why the comments were racist and if they are report Anderson. You will do neither of course..."Now I’ve not suggested that his comments were racist, but I have asked what you think he was getting at. Do you think he just doesn’t understand the word he used? | |||
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"Will Reform get their first MP? For a few months, at least. Reform, where Conservatives can be racist out loud.. A sad reflection on the society that we live in . Lee Anderson is a hard working MP who reflects the interests of his constituents. He represents the voice of common sense and has a long term vision of future problems that we are likely to incur . There is nothing racist about identifying problems with housing and associated problems. He has a long term vision and is to be admired. " Nice. No one else gets away with ripping Conservative voters to shreds like you do. | |||
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"Will Reform get their first MP? For a few months, at least. Reform, where Conservatives can be racist out loud. You racism is a hate crime, so if you have evidence that shows the Reform party are racist or an MP is, report it, or show me and I will. He might not technically have crossed the line with this latest bile to come out of his mouth but are you actually trying to defend the bloke? He's Tommy Robinson in a suit.. No, i would never defend racism, but I also wont listen to throw away comments claiming racism. You’re not the arbiter of what constitutes racism though. And neither are you, are going to start the virtue signalling again, report him and he will need to be investigated. You’ve demonstrated on several occasions that you don’t know what virtue signalling is. I simply asked where you got your definition of Islamist from
noun
an advocate or supporter of Islamic fundamentalism; a person who advocates increasing the influence of Islamic law in politics and society:
What did he say that was racist
He claimed that Sadiq Khan has given London to those described above, did he not? Has Khan ceded London to fundamentalist Islam?
He said:
I don’t actually believe that the Islamists have got control of our country, but what I do believe is they’ve got control of Khan, and they’ve got control of London.
To answer your question, has Khan ceded London to Islamists, which is the word he used, I think people who support and promote islam will have some influence of Khan as will other groups. What is racist about this?
And if was siding towards islamist, would that be racist?
Supporting and promoting Islam is not the same as followers of fundamentalist Islam (as per the definition I found above), but either way, Anderson’s comment was wholly incorrect, agreed?
What do you think he was suggesting by it? What do you think Anderson was leaning towards?
Hard to tell without more detail, but unless you can point out what he said that was racist you too are in the same place of not having enough information and you seem to be twisting what was said."How have I twisted anything? I’ve not accused him of anything, have I? | |||
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"Will Reform get their first MP? For a few months, at least. Reform, where Conservatives can be racist out loud. You racism is a hate crime, so if you have evidence that shows the Reform party are racist or an MP is, report it, or show me and I will. He might not technically have crossed the line with this latest bile to come out of his mouth but are you actually trying to defend the bloke? He's Tommy Robinson in a suit.. No, i would never defend racism, but I also wont listen to throw away comments claiming racism. You’re not the arbiter of what constitutes racism though. And neither are you, are going to start the virtue signalling again, report him and he will need to be investigated. You’ve demonstrated on several occasions that you don’t know what virtue signalling is. I simply asked where you got your definition of Islamist from
noun
an advocate or supporter of Islamic fundamentalism; a person who advocates increasing the influence of Islamic law in politics and society:
What did he say that was racist
You're a hardcore Tory right? You argue tooth and nail that they are infallible in every situation, no matter how blatantly immortal, sleazy or corrupt they are.
They've suspended Anderson right? Specifically for his racist remarks. And this is the one thing you've chosen to disagree with them on!
Interesting.
You are wrong again...
because I challenge people throwing racist around like confetti to prove their remarks, doesn't make me racist.
Explain why the comments were racist and if they are report Anderson. You will do neither of course...
Now I’ve not suggested that his comments were racist, but I have asked what you think he was getting at.
Do you think he just doesn’t understand the word he used? "As I said no enough information and I will not fill in the blanks like others seem to be doing. Someone will report him to the police and they will need to investigate, if it turns out he was being racist, I will happily watch him be hanged out to dry. | |||
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"Will Reform get their first MP? For a few months, at least. Reform, where Conservatives can be racist out loud. You racism is a hate crime, so if you have evidence that shows the Reform party are racist or an MP is, report it, or show me and I will. He might not technically have crossed the line with this latest bile to come out of his mouth but are you actually trying to defend the bloke? He's Tommy Robinson in a suit.. No, i would never defend racism, but I also wont listen to throw away comments claiming racism. You’re not the arbiter of what constitutes racism though. And neither are you, are going to start the virtue signalling again, report him and he will need to be investigated. You’ve demonstrated on several occasions that you don’t know what virtue signalling is. I simply asked where you got your definition of Islamist from
noun
an advocate or supporter of Islamic fundamentalism; a person who advocates increasing the influence of Islamic law in politics and society:
What did he say that was racist
You're a hardcore Tory right? You argue tooth and nail that they are infallible in every situation, no matter how blatantly immortal, sleazy or corrupt they are.
They've suspended Anderson right? Specifically for his racist remarks. And this is the one thing you've chosen to disagree with them on!
Interesting.
You are wrong again...
This was my first comment on the subject. So at very least, I am wrong for the first time.
because I challenge people throwing racist around like confetti to prove their remarks, doesn't make me racist.
I don't think you are, and didn't suggest you would be.
Explain why the comments were racist and if they are report Anderson. You will do neither of course...
Your infallible Tories seem to think he is.
Why do you want me to report him, and to whom, and what's this got to do with anything?"It should have read it does not make me a hard core tory.... If you believe what he said was racist, call your local police station, don't use 999.. And report Anderson for a hate crime, point them to the interview and they will be obliged to either pass onto the relevant force or look into it and either charge or drop. Do it | |||
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"Will Reform get their first MP? For a few months, at least. Reform, where Conservatives can be racist out loud. You racism is a hate crime, so if you have evidence that shows the Reform party are racist or an MP is, report it, or show me and I will. He might not technically have crossed the line with this latest bile to come out of his mouth but are you actually trying to defend the bloke? He's Tommy Robinson in a suit.. No, i would never defend racism, but I also wont listen to throw away comments claiming racism. You’re not the arbiter of what constitutes racism though. And neither are you, are going to start the virtue signalling again, report him and he will need to be investigated. You’ve demonstrated on several occasions that you don’t know what virtue signalling is. I simply asked where you got your definition of Islamist from
noun
an advocate or supporter of Islamic fundamentalism; a person who advocates increasing the influence of Islamic law in politics and society:
What did he say that was racist
You're a hardcore Tory right? You argue tooth and nail that they are infallible in every situation, no matter how blatantly immortal, sleazy or corrupt they are.
They've suspended Anderson right? Specifically for his racist remarks. And this is the one thing you've chosen to disagree with them on!
Interesting.
You are wrong again...
This was my first comment on the subject. So at very least, I am wrong for the first time.
because I challenge people throwing racist around like confetti to prove their remarks, doesn't make me racist.
I don't think you are, and didn't suggest you would be.
Explain why the comments were racist and if they are report Anderson. You will do neither of course...
Your infallible Tories seem to think he is.
Why do you want me to report him, and to whom, and what's this got to do with anything?
It should have read it does not make me a hard core tory....
If you believe what he said was racist, call your local police station, don't use 999.. And report Anderson for a hate crime, point them to the interview and they will be obliged to either pass onto the relevant force or look into it and either charge or drop.
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"If we replaced Anderson’s use of ‘Islamists’ with ‘zionists’, do we think people would be defending him? " I think we would have the same knee jerk BS that this has provided, but it would still be a story full of holes. | |||
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"Will Reform get their first MP? For a few months, at least. Reform, where Conservatives can be racist out loud. You racism is a hate crime, so if you have evidence that shows the Reform party are racist or an MP is, report it, or show me and I will. He might not technically have crossed the line with this latest bile to come out of his mouth but are you actually trying to defend the bloke? He's Tommy Robinson in a suit.. No, i would never defend racism, but I also wont listen to throw away comments claiming racism. You’re not the arbiter of what constitutes racism though. And neither are you, are going to start the virtue signalling again, report him and he will need to be investigated. You’ve demonstrated on several occasions that you don’t know what virtue signalling is. I simply asked where you got your definition of Islamist from
noun
an advocate or supporter of Islamic fundamentalism; a person who advocates increasing the influence of Islamic law in politics and society:
What did he say that was racist
You're a hardcore Tory right? You argue tooth and nail that they are infallible in every situation, no matter how blatantly immortal, sleazy or corrupt they are.
They've suspended Anderson right? Specifically for his racist remarks. And this is the one thing you've chosen to disagree with them on!
Interesting.
You are wrong again...
This was my first comment on the subject. So at very least, I am wrong for the first time.
because I challenge people throwing racist around like confetti to prove their remarks, doesn't make me racist.
I don't think you are, and didn't suggest you would be.
Explain why the comments were racist and if they are report Anderson. You will do neither of course...
Your infallible Tories seem to think he is.
Why do you want me to report him, and to whom, and what's this got to do with anything?
It should have read it does not make me a hard core tory....
If you believe what he said was racist, call your local police station, don't use 999.. And report Anderson for a hate crime, point them to the interview and they will be obliged to either pass onto the relevant force or look into it and either charge or drop.
Do it
Do you think what he said is worthy of suspension? "Obviously the tory party thought it was so I would agree, like Labours Diane Abbott's suspension and I agreed with that. Do you think he was being racist? | |||
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"Will Reform get their first MP? For a few months, at least. Reform, where Conservatives can be racist out loud. You racism is a hate crime, so if you have evidence that shows the Reform party are racist or an MP is, report it, or show me and I will. He might not technically have crossed the line with this latest bile to come out of his mouth but are you actually trying to defend the bloke? He's Tommy Robinson in a suit.. No, i would never defend racism, but I also wont listen to throw away comments claiming racism. You’re not the arbiter of what constitutes racism though. And neither are you, are going to start the virtue signalling again, report him and he will need to be investigated. You’ve demonstrated on several occasions that you don’t know what virtue signalling is. I simply asked where you got your definition of Islamist from
noun
an advocate or supporter of Islamic fundamentalism; a person who advocates increasing the influence of Islamic law in politics and society:
What did he say that was racist
You're a hardcore Tory right? You argue tooth and nail that they are infallible in every situation, no matter how blatantly immortal, sleazy or corrupt they are.
They've suspended Anderson right? Specifically for his racist remarks. And this is the one thing you've chosen to disagree with them on!
Interesting.
You are wrong again...
This was my first comment on the subject. So at very least, I am wrong for the first time.
because I challenge people throwing racist around like confetti to prove their remarks, doesn't make me racist.
I don't think you are, and didn't suggest you would be.
Explain why the comments were racist and if they are report Anderson. You will do neither of course...
Your infallible Tories seem to think he is.
Why do you want me to report him, and to whom, and what's this got to do with anything?
It should have read it does not make me a hard core tory....
If you believe what he said was racist, call your local police station, don't use 999.. And report Anderson for a hate crime, point them to the interview and they will be obliged to either pass onto the relevant force or look into it and either charge or drop.
Do it "I'm not interested in calling the police. I've reported racist attacks before, along with the bus driver who was the victim. The police couldn't have given less of a shit. | |||
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"Will Reform get their first MP? For a few months, at least. Reform, where Conservatives can be racist out loud. You racism is a hate crime, so if you have evidence that shows the Reform party are racist or an MP is, report it, or show me and I will. He might not technically have crossed the line with this latest bile to come out of his mouth but are you actually trying to defend the bloke? He's Tommy Robinson in a suit.. No, i would never defend racism, but I also wont listen to throw away comments claiming racism. You’re not the arbiter of what constitutes racism though. And neither are you, are going to start the virtue signalling again, report him and he will need to be investigated. You’ve demonstrated on several occasions that you don’t know what virtue signalling is. I simply asked where you got your definition of Islamist from
noun
an advocate or supporter of Islamic fundamentalism; a person who advocates increasing the influence of Islamic law in politics and society:
What did he say that was racist
You're a hardcore Tory right? You argue tooth and nail that they are infallible in every situation, no matter how blatantly immortal, sleazy or corrupt they are.
They've suspended Anderson right? Specifically for his racist remarks. And this is the one thing you've chosen to disagree with them on!
Interesting.
You are wrong again...
This was my first comment on the subject. So at very least, I am wrong for the first time.
because I challenge people throwing racist around like confetti to prove their remarks, doesn't make me racist.
I don't think you are, and didn't suggest you would be.
Explain why the comments were racist and if they are report Anderson. You will do neither of course...
Your infallible Tories seem to think he is.
Why do you want me to report him, and to whom, and what's this got to do with anything?
It should have read it does not make me a hard core tory....
If you believe what he said was racist, call your local police station, don't use 999.. And report Anderson for a hate crime, point them to the interview and they will be obliged to either pass onto the relevant force or look into it and either charge or drop.
Do it
Do you think what he said is worthy of suspension?
Obviously the tory party thought it was so I would agree, like Labours Diane Abbott's suspension and I agreed with that.
Do you think he was being racist?
"That would depend upon whether he understood what he was saying. If he did, then yes. If not, he’s thicker than I previously thought. | |||
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"Will Reform get their first MP? For a few months, at least. Reform, where Conservatives can be racist out loud. You racism is a hate crime, so if you have evidence that shows the Reform party are racist or an MP is, report it, or show me and I will. He might not technically have crossed the line with this latest bile to come out of his mouth but are you actually trying to defend the bloke? He's Tommy Robinson in a suit.. No, i would never defend racism, but I also wont listen to throw away comments claiming racism. You’re not the arbiter of what constitutes racism though. And neither are you, are going to start the virtue signalling again, report him and he will need to be investigated. You’ve demonstrated on several occasions that you don’t know what virtue signalling is. I simply asked where you got your definition of Islamist from
noun
an advocate or supporter of Islamic fundamentalism; a person who advocates increasing the influence of Islamic law in politics and society:
What did he say that was racist
You're a hardcore Tory right? You argue tooth and nail that they are infallible in every situation, no matter how blatantly immortal, sleazy or corrupt they are.
They've suspended Anderson right? Specifically for his racist remarks. And this is the one thing you've chosen to disagree with them on!
Interesting.
You are wrong again...
This was my first comment on the subject. So at very least, I am wrong for the first time.
because I challenge people throwing racist around like confetti to prove their remarks, doesn't make me racist.
I don't think you are, and didn't suggest you would be.
Explain why the comments were racist and if they are report Anderson. You will do neither of course...
Your infallible Tories seem to think he is.
Why do you want me to report him, and to whom, and what's this got to do with anything?
It should have read it does not make me a hard core tory....
If you believe what he said was racist, call your local police station, don't use 999.. And report Anderson for a hate crime, point them to the interview and they will be obliged to either pass onto the relevant force or look into it and either charge or drop.
Do it
Do you think what he said is worthy of suspension?
Obviously the tory party thought it was so I would agree, like Labours Diane Abbott's suspension and I agreed with that.
Do you think he was being racist?
That would depend upon whether he understood what he was saying. If he did, then yes.
If not, he’s thicker than I previously thought. "A remark of uncle Tom by Mr Khan is ok I guess.  | |||
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"Anderson's comments are indefensible, at any time they're irresponsible but at this moment when MPs are being threatened online etc over their stance on the war in Gaza they are the sort of dog whistling dangerous rhetoric anyone in a position influence shouldn't be making .." Agreed. It’s the sort of inflammatory comment that can be passed off with ‘what was racist about what I said?’ With a wink to camera. | |||
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"Will Reform get their first MP? For a few months, at least. Reform, where Conservatives can be racist out loud. You racism is a hate crime, so if you have evidence that shows the Reform party are racist or an MP is, report it, or show me and I will. He might not technically have crossed the line with this latest bile to come out of his mouth but are you actually trying to defend the bloke? He's Tommy Robinson in a suit.. No, i would never defend racism, but I also wont listen to throw away comments claiming racism. You’re not the arbiter of what constitutes racism though. And neither are you, are going to start the virtue signalling again, report him and he will need to be investigated. You’ve demonstrated on several occasions that you don’t know what virtue signalling is. I simply asked where you got your definition of Islamist from
noun
an advocate or supporter of Islamic fundamentalism; a person who advocates increasing the influence of Islamic law in politics and society:
What did he say that was racist
You're a hardcore Tory right? You argue tooth and nail that they are infallible in every situation, no matter how blatantly immortal, sleazy or corrupt they are.
They've suspended Anderson right? Specifically for his racist remarks. And this is the one thing you've chosen to disagree with them on!
Interesting.
You are wrong again...
This was my first comment on the subject. So at very least, I am wrong for the first time.
because I challenge people throwing racist around like confetti to prove their remarks, doesn't make me racist.
I don't think you are, and didn't suggest you would be.
Explain why the comments were racist and if they are report Anderson. You will do neither of course...
Your infallible Tories seem to think he is.
Why do you want me to report him, and to whom, and what's this got to do with anything?
It should have read it does not make me a hard core tory....
If you believe what he said was racist, call your local police station, don't use 999.. And report Anderson for a hate crime, point them to the interview and they will be obliged to either pass onto the relevant force or look into it and either charge or drop.
Do it
Do you think what he said is worthy of suspension?
Obviously the tory party thought it was so I would agree, like Labours Diane Abbott's suspension and I agreed with that.
Do you think he was being racist?
That would depend upon whether he understood what he was saying. If he did, then yes.
If not, he’s thicker than I previously thought.
A remark of uncle Tom by Mr Khan is ok I guess. "Didn’t Khan apologise for using that phrase (which is undoubtedly a racial epithet)? Anderson refused to apologise. | |||
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"Will Reform get their first MP? For a few months, at least. Reform, where Conservatives can be racist out loud. You racism is a hate crime, so if you have evidence that shows the Reform party are racist or an MP is, report it, or show me and I will. He might not technically have crossed the line with this latest bile to come out of his mouth but are you actually trying to defend the bloke? He's Tommy Robinson in a suit.. No, i would never defend racism, but I also wont listen to throw away comments claiming racism. You’re not the arbiter of what constitutes racism though. And neither are you, are going to start the virtue signalling again, report him and he will need to be investigated. You’ve demonstrated on several occasions that you don’t know what virtue signalling is. I simply asked where you got your definition of Islamist from
noun
an advocate or supporter of Islamic fundamentalism; a person who advocates increasing the influence of Islamic law in politics and society:
What did he say that was racist
You're a hardcore Tory right? You argue tooth and nail that they are infallible in every situation, no matter how blatantly immortal, sleazy or corrupt they are.
They've suspended Anderson right? Specifically for his racist remarks. And this is the one thing you've chosen to disagree with them on!
Interesting.
You are wrong again...
This was my first comment on the subject. So at very least, I am wrong for the first time.
because I challenge people throwing racist around like confetti to prove their remarks, doesn't make me racist.
I don't think you are, and didn't suggest you would be.
Explain why the comments were racist and if they are report Anderson. You will do neither of course...
Your infallible Tories seem to think he is.
Why do you want me to report him, and to whom, and what's this got to do with anything?
It should have read it does not make me a hard core tory....
If you believe what he said was racist, call your local police station, don't use 999.. And report Anderson for a hate crime, point them to the interview and they will be obliged to either pass onto the relevant force or look into it and either charge or drop.
Do it
Do you think what he said is worthy of suspension?
Obviously the tory party thought it was so I would agree, like Labours Diane Abbott's suspension and I agreed with that.
Do you think he was being racist?
That would depend upon whether he understood what he was saying. If he did, then yes.
If not, he’s thicker than I previously thought. "I think what he said was stupid, ref Khan being controlled by islamists. By saying that, does it make him as racist or stupid? It is a reflection of how the tory party lost senior figures, why they have needed to bring Cameron back and evidence they have fallen apart needing new blood. | |||
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"Anderson's comments are indefensible, at any time they're irresponsible but at this moment when MPs are being threatened online etc over their stance on the war in Gaza they are the sort of dog whistling dangerous rhetoric anyone in a position influence shouldn't be making .." Have a look on the prince William thread, I feel that has more to it than Anderson's comment but both stupid. | |||
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"Will Reform get their first MP? For a few months, at least. Reform, where Conservatives can be racist out loud. You racism is a hate crime, so if you have evidence that shows the Reform party are racist or an MP is, report it, or show me and I will. He might not technically have crossed the line with this latest bile to come out of his mouth but are you actually trying to defend the bloke? He's Tommy Robinson in a suit.. No, i would never defend racism, but I also wont listen to throw away comments claiming racism. You’re not the arbiter of what constitutes racism though. And neither are you, are going to start the virtue signalling again, report him and he will need to be investigated. You’ve demonstrated on several occasions that you don’t know what virtue signalling is. I simply asked where you got your definition of Islamist from
noun
an advocate or supporter of Islamic fundamentalism; a person who advocates increasing the influence of Islamic law in politics and society:
What did he say that was racist
You're a hardcore Tory right? You argue tooth and nail that they are infallible in every situation, no matter how blatantly immortal, sleazy or corrupt they are.
They've suspended Anderson right? Specifically for his racist remarks. And this is the one thing you've chosen to disagree with them on!
Interesting.
You are wrong again...
This was my first comment on the subject. So at very least, I am wrong for the first time.
because I challenge people throwing racist around like confetti to prove their remarks, doesn't make me racist.
I don't think you are, and didn't suggest you would be.
Explain why the comments were racist and if they are report Anderson. You will do neither of course...
Your infallible Tories seem to think he is.
Why do you want me to report him, and to whom, and what's this got to do with anything?
It should have read it does not make me a hard core tory....
If you believe what he said was racist, call your local police station, don't use 999.. And report Anderson for a hate crime, point them to the interview and they will be obliged to either pass onto the relevant force or look into it and either charge or drop.
Do it
Do you think what he said is worthy of suspension?
Obviously the tory party thought it was so I would agree, like Labours Diane Abbott's suspension and I agreed with that.
Do you think he was being racist?
That would depend upon whether he understood what he was saying. If he did, then yes.
If not, he’s thicker than I previously thought.
A remark of uncle Tom by Mr Khan is ok I guess.
Didn’t Khan apologise for using that phrase (which is undoubtedly a racial epithet)?
Anderson refused to apologise."A leopard dosnt change its spots neither of them a moderates. | |||
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"Will Reform get their first MP? For a few months, at least. Reform, where Conservatives can be racist out loud. You racism is a hate crime, so if you have evidence that shows the Reform party are racist or an MP is, report it, or show me and I will. He might not technically have crossed the line with this latest bile to come out of his mouth but are you actually trying to defend the bloke? He's Tommy Robinson in a suit.. No, i would never defend racism, but I also wont listen to throw away comments claiming racism. You’re not the arbiter of what constitutes racism though. And neither are you, are going to start the virtue signalling again, report him and he will need to be investigated. You’ve demonstrated on several occasions that you don’t know what virtue signalling is. I simply asked where you got your definition of Islamist from
noun
an advocate or supporter of Islamic fundamentalism; a person who advocates increasing the influence of Islamic law in politics and society:
What did he say that was racist
He claimed that Sadiq Khan has given London to those described above, did he not? Has Khan ceded London to fundamentalist Islam?
He said:
I don’t actually believe that the Islamists have got control of our country, but what I do believe is they’ve got control of Khan, and they’ve got control of London.
To answer your question, has Khan ceded London to Islamists, which is the word he used, I think people who support and promote islam will have some influence of Khan as will other groups. What is racist about this?
And if was siding towards islamist, would that be racist? "I don't think what he said was racist. The bit that most iffy was "He's actually given our capital city away to his mates" Thats a more concrete statement than simply implying influence. And suggests he is mates with Islamists. It need more examples and an explanation. | |||
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"Will Reform get their first MP? For a few months, at least. Reform, where Conservatives can be racist out loud. You racism is a hate crime, so if you have evidence that shows the Reform party are racist or an MP is, report it, or show me and I will. He might not technically have crossed the line with this latest bile to come out of his mouth but are you actually trying to defend the bloke? He's Tommy Robinson in a suit.. No, i would never defend racism, but I also wont listen to throw away comments claiming racism. You’re not the arbiter of what constitutes racism though. And neither are you, are going to start the virtue signalling again, report him and he will need to be investigated. You’ve demonstrated on several occasions that you don’t know what virtue signalling is. I simply asked where you got your definition of Islamist from
noun
an advocate or supporter of Islamic fundamentalism; a person who advocates increasing the influence of Islamic law in politics and society:
What did he say that was racist
You're a hardcore Tory right? You argue tooth and nail that they are infallible in every situation, no matter how blatantly immortal, sleazy or corrupt they are.
They've suspended Anderson right? Specifically for his racist remarks. And this is the one thing you've chosen to disagree with them on!
Interesting.
You are wrong again...
This was my first comment on the subject. So at very least, I am wrong for the first time.
because I challenge people throwing racist around like confetti to prove their remarks, doesn't make me racist.
I don't think you are, and didn't suggest you would be.
Explain why the comments were racist and if they are report Anderson. You will do neither of course...
Your infallible Tories seem to think he is.
Why do you want me to report him, and to whom, and what's this got to do with anything?
It should have read it does not make me a hard core tory....
If you believe what he said was racist, call your local police station, don't use 999.. And report Anderson for a hate crime, point them to the interview and they will be obliged to either pass onto the relevant force or look into it and either charge or drop.
Do it
Do you think what he said is worthy of suspension?
Obviously the tory party thought it was so I would agree, like Labours Diane Abbott's suspension and I agreed with that.
Do you think he was being racist?
That would depend upon whether he understood what he was saying. If he did, then yes.
If not, he’s thicker than I previously thought.
A remark of uncle Tom by Mr Khan is ok I guess.
Didn’t Khan apologise for using that phrase (which is undoubtedly a racial epithet)?
Anderson refused to apologise.
A leopard dosnt change its spots neither of them a moderates. "And yet Anderson has reinvented his political life several times over, from Labour counseller to Tory MP and now apparent GB news shock-jock. That’s a very unusual leopard. | |||
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"Will Reform get their first MP? For a few months, at least. Reform, where Conservatives can be racist out loud. You racism is a hate crime, so if you have evidence that shows the Reform party are racist or an MP is, report it, or show me and I will. He might not technically have crossed the line with this latest bile to come out of his mouth but are you actually trying to defend the bloke? He's Tommy Robinson in a suit.. No, i would never defend racism, but I also wont listen to throw away comments claiming racism. You’re not the arbiter of what constitutes racism though. And neither are you, are going to start the virtue signalling again, report him and he will need to be investigated. You’ve demonstrated on several occasions that you don’t know what virtue signalling is. I simply asked where you got your definition of Islamist from
noun
an advocate or supporter of Islamic fundamentalism; a person who advocates increasing the influence of Islamic law in politics and society:
What did he say that was racist
He claimed that Sadiq Khan has given London to those described above, did he not? Has Khan ceded London to fundamentalist Islam?
He said:
I don’t actually believe that the Islamists have got control of our country, but what I do believe is they’ve got control of Khan, and they’ve got control of London.
To answer your question, has Khan ceded London to Islamists, which is the word he used, I think people who support and promote islam will have some influence of Khan as will other groups. What is racist about this?
And if was siding towards islamist, would that be racist? I don't think what he said was racist.
The bit that most iffy was "He's actually given our capital city away to his mates"
Thats a more concrete statement than simply implying influence. And suggests he is mates with Islamists. It need more examples and an explanation. "that is my point, not enough detail and people filling in the blanks. | |||
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"Back on track The Reform party seems to be the right place for this out of touch, backwards, Alf Garnet type MP." What do expect, the conservative party have folded. | |||
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"Will Reform get their first MP? For a few months, at least. Reform, where Conservatives can be racist out loud. You racism is a hate crime, so if you have evidence that shows the Reform party are racist or an MP is, report it, or show me and I will. He might not technically have crossed the line with this latest bile to come out of his mouth but are you actually trying to defend the bloke? He's Tommy Robinson in a suit.. No, i would never defend racism, but I also wont listen to throw away comments claiming racism. You’re not the arbiter of what constitutes racism though. And neither are you, are going to start the virtue signalling again, report him and he will need to be investigated. You’ve demonstrated on several occasions that you don’t know what virtue signalling is. I simply asked where you got your definition of Islamist from
noun
an advocate or supporter of Islamic fundamentalism; a person who advocates increasing the influence of Islamic law in politics and society:
What did he say that was racist
You're a hardcore Tory right? You argue tooth and nail that they are infallible in every situation, no matter how blatantly immortal, sleazy or corrupt they are.
They've suspended Anderson right? Specifically for his racist remarks. And this is the one thing you've chosen to disagree with them on!
Interesting.
You are wrong again...
This was my first comment on the subject. So at very least, I am wrong for the first time.
because I challenge people throwing racist around like confetti to prove their remarks, doesn't make me racist.
I don't think you are, and didn't suggest you would be.
Explain why the comments were racist and if they are report Anderson. You will do neither of course...
Your infallible Tories seem to think he is.
Why do you want me to report him, and to whom, and what's this got to do with anything?
It should have read it does not make me a hard core tory....
If you believe what he said was racist, call your local police station, don't use 999.. And report Anderson for a hate crime, point them to the interview and they will be obliged to either pass onto the relevant force or look into it and either charge or drop.
Do it
Do you think what he said is worthy of suspension?
Obviously the tory party thought it was so I would agree, like Labours Diane Abbott's suspension and I agreed with that.
Do you think he was being racist?
That would depend upon whether he understood what he was saying. If he did, then yes.
If not, he’s thicker than I previously thought.
A remark of uncle Tom by Mr Khan is ok I guess.
Didn’t Khan apologise for using that phrase (which is undoubtedly a racial epithet)?
Anderson refused to apologise.
A leopard dosnt change its spots neither of them a moderates.
And yet Anderson has reinvented his political life several times over, from Labour counseller to Tory MP and now apparent GB news shock-jock.
That’s a very unusual leopard."Looks like he does change you just pointed it out has Mr Khan changed is non moderate outlook though. | |||
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"Will Reform get their first MP? For a few months, at least. Reform, where Conservatives can be racist out loud. You racism is a hate crime, so if you have evidence that shows the Reform party are racist or an MP is, report it, or show me and I will. He might not technically have crossed the line with this latest bile to come out of his mouth but are you actually trying to defend the bloke? He's Tommy Robinson in a suit.. No, i would never defend racism, but I also wont listen to throw away comments claiming racism. You’re not the arbiter of what constitutes racism though. And neither are you, are going to start the virtue signalling again, report him and he will need to be investigated. You’ve demonstrated on several occasions that you don’t know what virtue signalling is. I simply asked where you got your definition of Islamist from
noun
an advocate or supporter of Islamic fundamentalism; a person who advocates increasing the influence of Islamic law in politics and society:
What did he say that was racist
You're a hardcore Tory right? You argue tooth and nail that they are infallible in every situation, no matter how blatantly immortal, sleazy or corrupt they are.
They've suspended Anderson right? Specifically for his racist remarks. And this is the one thing you've chosen to disagree with them on!
Interesting.
You are wrong again...
This was my first comment on the subject. So at very least, I am wrong for the first time.
because I challenge people throwing racist around like confetti to prove their remarks, doesn't make me racist.
I don't think you are, and didn't suggest you would be.
Explain why the comments were racist and if they are report Anderson. You will do neither of course...
Your infallible Tories seem to think he is.
Why do you want me to report him, and to whom, and what's this got to do with anything?
It should have read it does not make me a hard core tory....
If you believe what he said was racist, call your local police station, don't use 999.. And report Anderson for a hate crime, point them to the interview and they will be obliged to either pass onto the relevant force or look into it and either charge or drop.
Do it
Do you think what he said is worthy of suspension?
Obviously the tory party thought it was so I would agree, like Labours Diane Abbott's suspension and I agreed with that.
Do you think he was being racist?
That would depend upon whether he understood what he was saying. If he did, then yes.
If not, he’s thicker than I previously thought.
A remark of uncle Tom by Mr Khan is ok I guess.
Didn’t Khan apologise for using that phrase (which is undoubtedly a racial epithet)?
Anderson refused to apologise.
A leopard dosnt change its spots neither of them a moderates.
And yet Anderson has reinvented his political life several times over, from Labour counseller to Tory MP and now apparent GB news shock-jock.
That’s a very unusual leopard.
Looks like he does change you just pointed it out has Mr Khan changed is non moderate outlook though."You’re the one who said a leopard doesn’t change its spots, not me. Do you believe Khan is an Islamic fundamentalist? | |||
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"Back on track The Reform party seems to be the right place for this out of touch, backwards, Alf Garnet type MP. What do expect, the conservative party have folded. " Was always going to happen due to Johnson’s 2019 intake being so low calibre. | |||
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"Anderson's comments are indefensible, at any time they're irresponsible but at this moment when MPs are being threatened online etc over their stance on the war in Gaza they are the sort of dog whistling dangerous rhetoric anyone in a position influence shouldn't be making .. Have a look on the prince William thread, I feel that has more to it than Anderson's comment but both stupid." Are you defending what Anderson said? I've asked twice.. | |||
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"Will Reform get their first MP? For a few months, at least. Reform, where Conservatives can be racist out loud. You racism is a hate crime, so if you have evidence that shows the Reform party are racist or an MP is, report it, or show me and I will. He might not technically have crossed the line with this latest bile to come out of his mouth but are you actually trying to defend the bloke? He's Tommy Robinson in a suit.. No, i would never defend racism, but I also wont listen to throw away comments claiming racism. You’re not the arbiter of what constitutes racism though. And neither are you, are going to start the virtue signalling again, report him and he will need to be investigated. You’ve demonstrated on several occasions that you don’t know what virtue signalling is. I simply asked where you got your definition of Islamist from
noun
an advocate or supporter of Islamic fundamentalism; a person who advocates increasing the influence of Islamic law in politics and society:
What did he say that was racist
You're a hardcore Tory right? You argue tooth and nail that they are infallible in every situation, no matter how blatantly immortal, sleazy or corrupt they are.
They've suspended Anderson right? Specifically for his racist remarks. And this is the one thing you've chosen to disagree with them on!
Interesting.
You are wrong again...
This was my first comment on the subject. So at very least, I am wrong for the first time.
because I challenge people throwing racist around like confetti to prove their remarks, doesn't make me racist.
I don't think you are, and didn't suggest you would be.
Explain why the comments were racist and if they are report Anderson. You will do neither of course...
Your infallible Tories seem to think he is.
Why do you want me to report him, and to whom, and what's this got to do with anything?
It should have read it does not make me a hard core tory....
If you believe what he said was racist, call your local police station, don't use 999.. And report Anderson for a hate crime, point them to the interview and they will be obliged to either pass onto the relevant force or look into it and either charge or drop.
Do it
Do you think what he said is worthy of suspension?
Obviously the tory party thought it was so I would agree, like Labours Diane Abbott's suspension and I agreed with that.
Do you think he was being racist?
That would depend upon whether he understood what he was saying. If he did, then yes.
If not, he’s thicker than I previously thought.
A remark of uncle Tom by Mr Khan is ok I guess.
Didn’t Khan apologise for using that phrase (which is undoubtedly a racial epithet)?
Anderson refused to apologise.
A leopard dosnt change its spots neither of them a moderates.
And yet Anderson has reinvented his political life several times over, from Labour counseller to Tory MP and now apparent GB news shock-jock.
That’s a very unusual leopard.
Looks like he does change you just pointed it out has Mr Khan changed is non moderate outlook though.
You’re the one who said a leopard doesn’t change its spots, not me.
Do you believe Khan is an Islamic fundamentalist? "Was he calling himself that slur, obviously not. | |||
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"Anderson's comments are indefensible, at any time they're irresponsible but at this moment when MPs are being threatened online etc over their stance on the war in Gaza they are the sort of dog whistling dangerous rhetoric anyone in a position influence shouldn't be making .. Have a look on the prince William thread, I feel that has more to it than Anderson's comment but both stupid. Are you defending what Anderson said? I've asked twice.." Have you not read what I have written at leat 6 times? I'm bored of writing it! | |||
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"Back on track The Reform party seems to be the right place for this out of touch, backwards, Alf Garnet type MP. What do expect, the conservative party have folded. " I think it's a good match. | |||
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"Anderson's comments are indefensible, at any time they're irresponsible but at this moment when MPs are being threatened online etc over their stance on the war in Gaza they are the sort of dog whistling dangerous rhetoric anyone in a position influence shouldn't be making .. Have a look on the prince William thread, I feel that has more to it than Anderson's comment but both stupid. Are you defending what Anderson said? I've asked twice.. Have you not read what I have written at leat 6 times? I'm bored of writing it! " I never mentioned racism which most of what you've responded to is about.. Good that you don't defend what he actually said.. | |||
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"Will Reform get their first MP? For a few months, at least. Reform, where Conservatives can be racist out loud. You racism is a hate crime, so if you have evidence that shows the Reform party are racist or an MP is, report it, or show me and I will. He might not technically have crossed the line with this latest bile to come out of his mouth but are you actually trying to defend the bloke? He's Tommy Robinson in a suit.. No, i would never defend racism, but I also wont listen to throw away comments claiming racism. You’re not the arbiter of what constitutes racism though. And neither are you, are going to start the virtue signalling again, report him and he will need to be investigated. You’ve demonstrated on several occasions that you don’t know what virtue signalling is. I simply asked where you got your definition of Islamist from
noun
an advocate or supporter of Islamic fundamentalism; a person who advocates increasing the influence of Islamic law in politics and society:
What did he say that was racist
You're a hardcore Tory right? You argue tooth and nail that they are infallible in every situation, no matter how blatantly immortal, sleazy or corrupt they are.
They've suspended Anderson right? Specifically for his racist remarks. And this is the one thing you've chosen to disagree with them on!
Interesting.
You are wrong again...
This was my first comment on the subject. So at very least, I am wrong for the first time.
because I challenge people throwing racist around like confetti to prove their remarks, doesn't make me racist.
I don't think you are, and didn't suggest you would be.
Explain why the comments were racist and if they are report Anderson. You will do neither of course...
Your infallible Tories seem to think he is.
Why do you want me to report him, and to whom, and what's this got to do with anything?
It should have read it does not make me a hard core tory....
If you believe what he said was racist, call your local police station, don't use 999.. And report Anderson for a hate crime, point them to the interview and they will be obliged to either pass onto the relevant force or look into it and either charge or drop.
Do it
Do you think what he said is worthy of suspension?
Obviously the tory party thought it was so I would agree, like Labours Diane Abbott's suspension and I agreed with that.
Do you think he was being racist?
That would depend upon whether he understood what he was saying. If he did, then yes.
If not, he’s thicker than I previously thought.
A remark of uncle Tom by Mr Khan is ok I guess.
Didn’t Khan apologise for using that phrase (which is undoubtedly a racial epithet)?
Anderson refused to apologise.
A leopard dosnt change its spots neither of them a moderates.
And yet Anderson has reinvented his political life several times over, from Labour counseller to Tory MP and now apparent GB news shock-jock.
That’s a very unusual leopard.
Looks like he does change you just pointed it out has Mr Khan changed is non moderate outlook though.
You’re the one who said a leopard doesn’t change its spots, not me.
Do you believe Khan is an Islamic fundamentalist?
Was he calling himself that slur, obviously not."I’m not sure what your point is Khan used a racial slur in 2009 and has apologised for it. Does that make it right? No. Is it comparable to Anderson? Probably yes, but Anderson refused to apologise. | |||
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"Will Reform get their first MP? For a few months, at least. Reform, where Conservatives can be racist out loud. You racism is a hate crime, so if you have evidence that shows the Reform party are racist or an MP is, report it, or show me and I will. He might not technically have crossed the line with this latest bile to come out of his mouth but are you actually trying to defend the bloke? He's Tommy Robinson in a suit.. No, i would never defend racism, but I also wont listen to throw away comments claiming racism. You’re not the arbiter of what constitutes racism though. And neither are you, are going to start the virtue signalling again, report him and he will need to be investigated. You’ve demonstrated on several occasions that you don’t know what virtue signalling is. I simply asked where you got your definition of Islamist from
noun
an advocate or supporter of Islamic fundamentalism; a person who advocates increasing the influence of Islamic law in politics and society:
What did he say that was racist
You're a hardcore Tory right? You argue tooth and nail that they are infallible in every situation, no matter how blatantly immortal, sleazy or corrupt they are.
They've suspended Anderson right? Specifically for his racist remarks. And this is the one thing you've chosen to disagree with them on!
Interesting.
You are wrong again...
This was my first comment on the subject. So at very least, I am wrong for the first time.
because I challenge people throwing racist around like confetti to prove their remarks, doesn't make me racist.
I don't think you are, and didn't suggest you would be.
Explain why the comments were racist and if they are report Anderson. You will do neither of course...
Your infallible Tories seem to think he is.
Why do you want me to report him, and to whom, and what's this got to do with anything?
It should have read it does not make me a hard core tory....
If you believe what he said was racist, call your local police station, don't use 999.. And report Anderson for a hate crime, point them to the interview and they will be obliged to either pass onto the relevant force or look into it and either charge or drop.
Do it
Do you think what he said is worthy of suspension?
Obviously the tory party thought it was so I would agree, like Labours Diane Abbott's suspension and I agreed with that.
Do you think he was being racist?
That would depend upon whether he understood what he was saying. If he did, then yes.
If not, he’s thicker than I previously thought.
A remark of uncle Tom by Mr Khan is ok I guess.
Didn’t Khan apologise for using that phrase (which is undoubtedly a racial epithet)?
Anderson refused to apologise.
A leopard dosnt change its spots neither of them a moderates.
And yet Anderson has reinvented his political life several times over, from Labour counseller to Tory MP and now apparent GB news shock-jock.
That’s a very unusual leopard.
Looks like he does change you just pointed it out has Mr Khan changed is non moderate outlook though.
You’re the one who said a leopard doesn’t change its spots, not me.
Do you believe Khan is an Islamic fundamentalist?
Was he calling himself that slur, obviously not.
I’m not sure what your point is
Khan used a racial slur in 2019 and has apologised for it. Does that make it right? No. Is it comparable to Anderson? Probably yes, but Anderson refused to apologise. "He his just telling what he believes and has not said any slurs against moderate Muslims unlike Mr khan. | |||
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"Will Reform get their first MP? For a few months, at least. Reform, where Conservatives can be racist out loud. You racism is a hate crime, so if you have evidence that shows the Reform party are racist or an MP is, report it, or show me and I will. He might not technically have crossed the line with this latest bile to come out of his mouth but are you actually trying to defend the bloke? He's Tommy Robinson in a suit.. No, i would never defend racism, but I also wont listen to throw away comments claiming racism. You’re not the arbiter of what constitutes racism though. And neither are you, are going to start the virtue signalling again, report him and he will need to be investigated. You’ve demonstrated on several occasions that you don’t know what virtue signalling is. I simply asked where you got your definition of Islamist from
noun
an advocate or supporter of Islamic fundamentalism; a person who advocates increasing the influence of Islamic law in politics and society:
What did he say that was racist
You're a hardcore Tory right? You argue tooth and nail that they are infallible in every situation, no matter how blatantly immortal, sleazy or corrupt they are.
They've suspended Anderson right? Specifically for his racist remarks. And this is the one thing you've chosen to disagree with them on!
Interesting.
You are wrong again...
This was my first comment on the subject. So at very least, I am wrong for the first time.
because I challenge people throwing racist around like confetti to prove their remarks, doesn't make me racist.
I don't think you are, and didn't suggest you would be.
Explain why the comments were racist and if they are report Anderson. You will do neither of course...
Your infallible Tories seem to think he is.
Why do you want me to report him, and to whom, and what's this got to do with anything?
It should have read it does not make me a hard core tory....
If you believe what he said was racist, call your local police station, don't use 999.. And report Anderson for a hate crime, point them to the interview and they will be obliged to either pass onto the relevant force or look into it and either charge or drop.
Do it
Do you think what he said is worthy of suspension?
Obviously the tory party thought it was so I would agree, like Labours Diane Abbott's suspension and I agreed with that.
Do you think he was being racist?
That would depend upon whether he understood what he was saying. If he did, then yes.
If not, he’s thicker than I previously thought.
A remark of uncle Tom by Mr Khan is ok I guess.
Didn’t Khan apologise for using that phrase (which is undoubtedly a racial epithet)?
Anderson refused to apologise.
A leopard dosnt change its spots neither of them a moderates.
And yet Anderson has reinvented his political life several times over, from Labour counseller to Tory MP and now apparent GB news shock-jock.
That’s a very unusual leopard.
Looks like he does change you just pointed it out has Mr Khan changed is non moderate outlook though.
You’re the one who said a leopard doesn’t change its spots, not me.
Do you believe Khan is an Islamic fundamentalist?
Was he calling himself that slur, obviously not.
I’m not sure what your point is
Khan used a racial slur in 2019 and has apologised for it. Does that make it right? No. Is it comparable to Anderson? Probably yes, but Anderson refused to apologise.
He his just telling what he believes and has not said any slurs against moderate Muslims unlike Mr khan. "What do you think Anderson meant by his comments? | |||
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"Will Reform get their first MP? For a few months, at least. Reform, where Conservatives can be racist out loud. You racism is a hate crime, so if you have evidence that shows the Reform party are racist or an MP is, report it, or show me and I will. He might not technically have crossed the line with this latest bile to come out of his mouth but are you actually trying to defend the bloke? He's Tommy Robinson in a suit.. No, i would never defend racism, but I also wont listen to throw away comments claiming racism. You’re not the arbiter of what constitutes racism though. And neither are you, are going to start the virtue signalling again, report him and he will need to be investigated. You’ve demonstrated on several occasions that you don’t know what virtue signalling is. I simply asked where you got your definition of Islamist from
noun
an advocate or supporter of Islamic fundamentalism; a person who advocates increasing the influence of Islamic law in politics and society:
What did he say that was racist
You're a hardcore Tory right? You argue tooth and nail that they are infallible in every situation, no matter how blatantly immortal, sleazy or corrupt they are.
They've suspended Anderson right? Specifically for his racist remarks. And this is the one thing you've chosen to disagree with them on!
Interesting.
You are wrong again...
This was my first comment on the subject. So at very least, I am wrong for the first time.
because I challenge people throwing racist around like confetti to prove their remarks, doesn't make me racist.
I don't think you are, and didn't suggest you would be.
Explain why the comments were racist and if they are report Anderson. You will do neither of course...
Your infallible Tories seem to think he is.
Why do you want me to report him, and to whom, and what's this got to do with anything?
It should have read it does not make me a hard core tory....
If you believe what he said was racist, call your local police station, don't use 999.. And report Anderson for a hate crime, point them to the interview and they will be obliged to either pass onto the relevant force or look into it and either charge or drop.
Do it
Do you think what he said is worthy of suspension?
Obviously the tory party thought it was so I would agree, like Labours Diane Abbott's suspension and I agreed with that.
Do you think he was being racist?
That would depend upon whether he understood what he was saying. If he did, then yes.
If not, he’s thicker than I previously thought.
A remark of uncle Tom by Mr Khan is ok I guess.
Didn’t Khan apologise for using that phrase (which is undoubtedly a racial epithet)?
Anderson refused to apologise.
A leopard dosnt change its spots neither of them a moderates.
And yet Anderson has reinvented his political life several times over, from Labour counseller to Tory MP and now apparent GB news shock-jock.
That’s a very unusual leopard.
Looks like he does change you just pointed it out has Mr Khan changed is non moderate outlook though.
You’re the one who said a leopard doesn’t change its spots, not me.
Do you believe Khan is an Islamic fundamentalist?
Was he calling himself that slur, obviously not.
I’m not sure what your point is
Khan used a racial slur in 2019 and has apologised for it. Does that make it right? No. Is it comparable to Anderson? Probably yes, but Anderson refused to apologise.
He his just telling what he believes and has not said any slurs against moderate Muslims unlike Mr khan. "According to the leader of the Conservatives on the GLA, Neil Garrett Anderson is wrong in his comments about Khan.. | |||
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"Will Reform get their first MP? For a few months, at least. Reform, where Conservatives can be racist out loud. You racism is a hate crime, so if you have evidence that shows the Reform party are racist or an MP is, report it, or show me and I will. He might not technically have crossed the line with this latest bile to come out of his mouth but are you actually trying to defend the bloke? He's Tommy Robinson in a suit.. No, i would never defend racism, but I also wont listen to throw away comments claiming racism. You’re not the arbiter of what constitutes racism though. And neither are you, are going to start the virtue signalling again, report him and he will need to be investigated. You’ve demonstrated on several occasions that you don’t know what virtue signalling is. I simply asked where you got your definition of Islamist from
noun
an advocate or supporter of Islamic fundamentalism; a person who advocates increasing the influence of Islamic law in politics and society:
What did he say that was racist
You're a hardcore Tory right? You argue tooth and nail that they are infallible in every situation, no matter how blatantly immortal, sleazy or corrupt they are.
They've suspended Anderson right? Specifically for his racist remarks. And this is the one thing you've chosen to disagree with them on!
Interesting.
You are wrong again...
This was my first comment on the subject. So at very least, I am wrong for the first time.
because I challenge people throwing racist around like confetti to prove their remarks, doesn't make me racist.
I don't think you are, and didn't suggest you would be.
Explain why the comments were racist and if they are report Anderson. You will do neither of course...
Your infallible Tories seem to think he is.
Why do you want me to report him, and to whom, and what's this got to do with anything?
It should have read it does not make me a hard core tory....
If you believe what he said was racist, call your local police station, don't use 999.. And report Anderson for a hate crime, point them to the interview and they will be obliged to either pass onto the relevant force or look into it and either charge or drop.
Do it
Do you think what he said is worthy of suspension?
Obviously the tory party thought it was so I would agree, like Labours Diane Abbott's suspension and I agreed with that.
Do you think he was being racist?
That would depend upon whether he understood what he was saying. If he did, then yes.
If not, he’s thicker than I previously thought.
A remark of uncle Tom by Mr Khan is ok I guess.
Didn’t Khan apologise for using that phrase (which is undoubtedly a racial epithet)?
Anderson refused to apologise.
A leopard dosnt change its spots neither of them a moderates.
And yet Anderson has reinvented his political life several times over, from Labour counseller to Tory MP and now apparent GB news shock-jock.
That’s a very unusual leopard.
Looks like he does change you just pointed it out has Mr Khan changed is non moderate outlook though.
You’re the one who said a leopard doesn’t change its spots, not me.
Do you believe Khan is an Islamic fundamentalist?
Was he calling himself that slur, obviously not.
I’m not sure what your point is
Khan used a racial slur in 2019 and has apologised for it. Does that make it right? No. Is it comparable to Anderson? Probably yes, but Anderson refused to apologise.
He his just telling what he believes and has not said any slurs against moderate Muslims unlike Mr khan.
What do you think Anderson meant by his comments?"Only Islamist fundamentalists use that slur against moderate Muslims, you tell me what he meant. | |||
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"Curious, when did Islam become a race?" Would you prefer a different term to describe Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against Muslims? | |||
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"Curious, when did Islam become a race? Would you prefer a different term to describe Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against Muslims?" Do you have a term to describe prejudice, discrimination or antagonism directed at Christians, Buddhists, capitalists and socialists? | |||
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"Curious, when did Islam become a race? Would you prefer a different term to describe Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against Muslims?" Self hate when it comes to some characters. | |||
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"Curious, when did Islam become a race? Would you prefer a different term to describe Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against Muslims? Self hate when it comes to some characters." I have seen horrible statements made about Scientologists. Maybe we need a term for discrimination against Scientology too. | |||
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"Curious, when did Islam become a race? Would you prefer a different term to describe Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against Muslims? Self hate when it comes to some characters. I have seen horrible statements made about Scientologists. Maybe we need a term for discrimination against Scientology too." If you like. Would you prefer a different term to describe Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against Muslims? | |||
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"Curious, when did Islam become a race? Would you prefer a different term to describe Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against Muslims? Do you have a term to describe prejudice, discrimination or antagonism directed at Christians, Buddhists, capitalists and socialists?" You are wasting your time, we go around the houses every time. Example: He’s a racist! why? because he said something about foreign people, no he said islamists. That’s racist! why? And on it goes, there is no more stupid a person who thinks only people of colour or foreigners are Islamist supporters. Was his comments stupid, yes, without doubt… | |||
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"Curious, when did Islam become a race? Would you prefer a different term to describe Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against Muslims? Do you have a term to describe prejudice, discrimination or antagonism directed at Christians, Buddhists, capitalists and socialists? You are wasting your time, we go around the houses every time. Example: He’s a racist! why? because he said something about foreign people, no he said islamists. That’s racist! why? And on it goes, there is no more stupid a person who thinks only people of colour or foreigners are Islamist supporters. Was his comments stupid, yes, without doubt…" Yeah.. Even if we leave aside the stupidity of conflating race with religion, I don't think his comments make any assumption about all Muslims. | |||
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"Curious, when did Islam become a race? Would you prefer a different term to describe Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against Muslims? Self hate when it comes to some characters. I have seen horrible statements made about Scientologists. Maybe we need a term for discrimination against Scientology too. If you like. Would you prefer a different term to describe Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against Muslims?" Yes I would prefer a different term. The one can be used to describe antagonism against people following a specific ideology. The term should be used for antagonism against Islam, Christianity, Atheism, Scientology, Capitalism and Socialism too. | |||
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"Curious, when did Islam become a race? Would you prefer a different term to describe Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against Muslims? Self hate when it comes to some characters. I have seen horrible statements made about Scientologists. Maybe we need a term for discrimination against Scientology too. If you like. Would you prefer a different term to describe Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against Muslims? Yes I would prefer a different term. The one can be used to describe antagonism against people following a specific ideology. The term should be used for antagonism against Islam, Christianity, Atheism, Scientology, Capitalism and Socialism too." Fair enough. Is there such a term? | |||
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"Curious, when did Islam become a race? Would you prefer a different term to describe Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against Muslims? Do you have a term to describe prejudice, discrimination or antagonism directed at Christians, Buddhists, capitalists and socialists?" Apologies. Missed this one. I don't have a term for this. It's rarely seem. However discrimination against Muslims is commonplace. Besides, this is the subject currently being discussed. | |||
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"Curious, when did Islam become a race? Would you prefer a different term to describe Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against Muslims? Self hate when it comes to some characters. I have seen horrible statements made about Scientologists. Maybe we need a term for discrimination against Scientology too. If you like. Would you prefer a different term to describe Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against Muslims? Yes I would prefer a different term. The one can be used to describe antagonism against people following a specific ideology. The term should be used for antagonism against Islam, Christianity, Atheism, Scientology, Capitalism and Socialism too. Fair enough. Is there such a term?" I don't know of any. Let me know if you find one. But racism is not the right word to use in this context. | |||
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"Curious, when did Islam become a race? Would you prefer a different term to describe Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against Muslims? Do you have a term to describe prejudice, discrimination or antagonism directed at Christians, Buddhists, capitalists and socialists? Apologies. Missed this one. I don't have a term for this. It's rarely seem. However discrimination against Muslims is commonplace. Besides, this is the subject currently being discussed. " As I have said before, there are lots of terrible statements made against people following other religions and also atheists. Not to mention people following other ideologies like socialism and capitalism. No one seems to bat an eye about thatm | |||
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"Curious, when did Islam become a race? Would you prefer a different term to describe Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against Muslims? Self hate when it comes to some characters. I have seen horrible statements made about Scientologists. Maybe we need a term for discrimination against Scientology too. If you like. Would you prefer a different term to describe Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against Muslims? Yes I would prefer a different term. The one can be used to describe antagonism against people following a specific ideology. The term should be used for antagonism against Islam, Christianity, Atheism, Scientology, Capitalism and Socialism too. Fair enough. Is there such a term? I don't know of any. Let me know if you find one. But racism is not the right word to use in this context." I'm not looking for another term. You're the one who wants an alternative. See your comment above. | |||
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"Curious, when did Islam become a race? Would you prefer a different term to describe Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against Muslims? Do you have a term to describe prejudice, discrimination or antagonism directed at Christians, Buddhists, capitalists and socialists? Apologies. Missed this one. I don't have a term for this. It's rarely seem. However discrimination against Muslims is commonplace. Besides, this is the subject currently being discussed. As I have said before, there are lots of terrible statements made against people following other religions and also atheists. Not to mention people following other ideologies like socialism and capitalism. No one seems to bat an eye about thatm" Is it? We see prejudice against Muslims regularly. | |||
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"Curious, when did Islam become a race? Would you prefer a different term to describe Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against Muslims? Do you have a term to describe prejudice, discrimination or antagonism directed at Christians, Buddhists, capitalists and socialists? Apologies. Missed this one. I don't have a term for this. It's rarely seem. However discrimination against Muslims is commonplace. Besides, this is the subject currently being discussed. As I have said before, there are lots of terrible statements made against people following other religions and also atheists. Not to mention people following other ideologies like socialism and capitalism. No one seems to bat an eye about thatm Is it? We see prejudice against Muslims regularly. " We see prejudice against Scientologists regularly too. Just go tell anyone that you are a believer in Scientology and see their reaction | |||
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"Curious, when did Islam become a race? Would you prefer a different term to describe Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against Muslims? Self hate when it comes to some characters. I have seen horrible statements made about Scientologists. Maybe we need a term for discrimination against Scientology too. If you like. Would you prefer a different term to describe Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against Muslims? Yes I would prefer a different term. The one can be used to describe antagonism against people following a specific ideology. The term should be used for antagonism against Islam, Christianity, Atheism, Scientology, Capitalism and Socialism too. Fair enough. Is there such a term? I don't know of any. Let me know if you find one. But racism is not the right word to use in this context. I'm not looking for another term. You're the one who wants an alternative. See your comment above. " I am saying racism is the wrong term. There not being another term isn't a justification to use a term as serious as racism in the wrong context | |||
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"Curious, when did Islam become a race? Would you prefer a different term to describe Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against Muslims? Do you have a term to describe prejudice, discrimination or antagonism directed at Christians, Buddhists, capitalists and socialists? Apologies. Missed this one. I don't have a term for this. It's rarely seem. However discrimination against Muslims is commonplace. Besides, this is the subject currently being discussed. As I have said before, there are lots of terrible statements made against people following other religions and also atheists. Not to mention people following other ideologies like socialism and capitalism. No one seems to bat an eye about thatm Is it? We see prejudice against Muslims regularly. " This isn’t a flippant comment, where do “we” see prejudice against Muslims, regularly? Is that racist? | |||
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"Curious, when did Islam become a race? Would you prefer a different term to describe Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against Muslims? Self hate when it comes to some characters. I have seen horrible statements made about Scientologists. Maybe we need a term for discrimination against Scientology too. If you like. Would you prefer a different term to describe Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against Muslims? Yes I would prefer a different term. The one can be used to describe antagonism against people following a specific ideology. The term should be used for antagonism against Islam, Christianity, Atheism, Scientology, Capitalism and Socialism too. Fair enough. Is there such a term? I don't know of any. Let me know if you find one. But racism is not the right word to use in this context. I'm not looking for another term. You're the one who wants an alternative. See your comment above. I am saying racism is the wrong term. There not being another term isn't a justification to use a term as serious as racism in the wrong context " I'm comfortable with your point of view, and comfortable if you choose to look for another term. It's not a top issue for me, so I won't be spending any time looking into an alternative. | |||
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"Curious, when did Islam become a race? Would you prefer a different term to describe Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against Muslims? Do you have a term to describe prejudice, discrimination or antagonism directed at Christians, Buddhists, capitalists and socialists? Apologies. Missed this one. I don't have a term for this. It's rarely seem. However discrimination against Muslims is commonplace. Besides, this is the subject currently being discussed. As I have said before, there are lots of terrible statements made against people following other religions and also atheists. Not to mention people following other ideologies like socialism and capitalism. No one seems to bat an eye about thatm Is it? We see prejudice against Muslims regularly. This isn’t a flippant comment, where do “we” see prejudice against Muslims, regularly? Is that racist? " Have a look around you in British society. Have a look at these forums. Have a look at the news. What are you asking me is racist? | |||
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"Curious, when did Islam become a race? Would you prefer a different term to describe Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against Muslims? Do you have a term to describe prejudice, discrimination or antagonism directed at Christians, Buddhists, capitalists and socialists? Apologies. Missed this one. I don't have a term for this. It's rarely seem. However discrimination against Muslims is commonplace. Besides, this is the subject currently being discussed. As I have said before, there are lots of terrible statements made against people following other religions and also atheists. Not to mention people following other ideologies like socialism and capitalism. No one seems to bat an eye about thatm Is it? We see prejudice against Muslims regularly. This isn’t a flippant comment, where do “we” see prejudice against Muslims, regularly? Is that racist? Have a look around you in British society. Have a look at these forums. Have a look at the news. What are you asking me is racist?" I’m not sure how you determine prejudice, I feel you set your barrier at different levels, but that is only one part of this. There is a constant confusion of Muslim = race, Christian = white and all the other combinations that I cannot be arsed to write! it is painful to see, it is like a never ending Brexit or Covid conversation with people wearing blinkers. This country needs to start challenging people who define things incorrectly, that could be you it could be me, but this nonsense is divisive and driving unrest. | |||
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"Curious, when did Islam become a race? Would you prefer a different term to describe Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against Muslims? Self hate when it comes to some characters. I have seen horrible statements made about Scientologists. Maybe we need a term for discrimination against Scientology too. If you like. Would you prefer a different term to describe Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against Muslims? Yes I would prefer a different term. The one can be used to describe antagonism against people following a specific ideology. The term should be used for antagonism against Islam, Christianity, Atheism, Scientology, Capitalism and Socialism too. Fair enough. Is there such a term? I don't know of any. Let me know if you find one. But racism is not the right word to use in this context. I'm not looking for another term. You're the one who wants an alternative. See your comment above. I am saying racism is the wrong term. There not being another term isn't a justification to use a term as serious as racism in the wrong context I'm comfortable with your point of view, and comfortable if you choose to look for another term. It's not a top issue for me, so I won't be spending any time looking into an alternative. " Accusing someone of racism has much serious implications. So using the term in wrong context is just wrong. Would you be happy if someone calls you a racist whenever you complain about christians, Scientologists or capitalists? | |||
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"Curious, when did Islam become a race? Would you prefer a different term to describe Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against Muslims? Do you have a term to describe prejudice, discrimination or antagonism directed at Christians, Buddhists, capitalists and socialists? Apologies. Missed this one. I don't have a term for this. It's rarely seem. However discrimination against Muslims is commonplace. Besides, this is the subject currently being discussed. As I have said before, there are lots of terrible statements made against people following other religions and also atheists. Not to mention people following other ideologies like socialism and capitalism. No one seems to bat an eye about thatm Is it? We see prejudice against Muslims regularly. This isn’t a flippant comment, where do “we” see prejudice against Muslims, regularly? Is that racist? Have a look around you in British society. Have a look at these forums. Have a look at the news. What are you asking me is racist? I’m not sure how you determine prejudice, I feel you set your barrier at different levels, but that is only one part of this. There is a constant confusion of Muslim = race, Christian = white and all the other combinations that I cannot be arsed to write! it is painful to see, it is like a never ending Brexit or Covid conversation with people wearing blinkers. This country needs to start challenging people who define things incorrectly, that could be you it could be me, but this nonsense is divisive and driving unrest. " Just to be clear. You're suggesting that there is a difference between racism and being prejudice against Muslims. And people who conflate that are being decisive and driving unrest. Meanwhile actual racism, prejudice etc, where it exists, is what, no problem? | |||
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"Curious, when did Islam become a race? Would you prefer a different term to describe Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against Muslims? Self hate when it comes to some characters. I have seen horrible statements made about Scientologists. Maybe we need a term for discrimination against Scientology too. If you like. Would you prefer a different term to describe Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against Muslims? Yes I would prefer a different term. The one can be used to describe antagonism against people following a specific ideology. The term should be used for antagonism against Islam, Christianity, Atheism, Scientology, Capitalism and Socialism too. Fair enough. Is there such a term? I don't know of any. Let me know if you find one. But racism is not the right word to use in this context. I'm not looking for another term. You're the one who wants an alternative. See your comment above. I am saying racism is the wrong term. There not being another term isn't a justification to use a term as serious as racism in the wrong context I'm comfortable with your point of view, and comfortable if you choose to look for another term. It's not a top issue for me, so I won't be spending any time looking into an alternative. Accusing someone of racism has much serious implications. So using the term in wrong context is just wrong. Would you be happy if someone calls you a racist whenever you complain about christians, Scientologists or capitalists?" I don't complain about Christian, Scientologists or capitalists. If I did it would be about something specific, or about a specific person. If I was making negative generalisations about all Christians, Scientologists, or capitalists. Then I wouldn't really care which word was being used to describe my bigotry. | |||
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"Curious, when did Islam become a race? Would you prefer a different term to describe Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against Muslims? Do you have a term to describe prejudice, discrimination or antagonism directed at Christians, Buddhists, capitalists and socialists? Apologies. Missed this one. I don't have a term for this. It's rarely seem. However discrimination against Muslims is commonplace. Besides, this is the subject currently being discussed. As I have said before, there are lots of terrible statements made against people following other religions and also atheists. Not to mention people following other ideologies like socialism and capitalism. No one seems to bat an eye about thatm Is it? We see prejudice against Muslims regularly. This isn’t a flippant comment, where do “we” see prejudice against Muslims, regularly? Is that racist? Have a look around you in British society. Have a look at these forums. Have a look at the news. What are you asking me is racist? I’m not sure how you determine prejudice, I feel you set your barrier at different levels, but that is only one part of this. There is a constant confusion of Muslim = race, Christian = white and all the other combinations that I cannot be arsed to write! it is painful to see, it is like a never ending Brexit or Covid conversation with people wearing blinkers. This country needs to start challenging people who define things incorrectly, that could be you it could be me, but this nonsense is divisive and driving unrest. Just to be clear. You're suggesting that there is a difference between racism and being prejudice against Muslims. And people who conflate that are being decisive and driving unrest. Meanwhile actual racism, prejudice etc, where it exists, is what, no problem? " You need to have a think about it, I’m starting to run out of fucks to give to people who arrive at the same station everyday at the same time. | |||
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"Curious, when did Islam become a race? Would you prefer a different term to describe Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against Muslims? Self hate when it comes to some characters. I have seen horrible statements made about Scientologists. Maybe we need a term for discrimination against Scientology too. If you like. Would you prefer a different term to describe Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against Muslims? Yes I would prefer a different term. The one can be used to describe antagonism against people following a specific ideology. The term should be used for antagonism against Islam, Christianity, Atheism, Scientology, Capitalism and Socialism too. Fair enough. Is there such a term? I don't know of any. Let me know if you find one. But racism is not the right word to use in this context. I'm not looking for another term. You're the one who wants an alternative. See your comment above. I am saying racism is the wrong term. There not being another term isn't a justification to use a term as serious as racism in the wrong context I'm comfortable with your point of view, and comfortable if you choose to look for another term. It's not a top issue for me, so I won't be spending any time looking into an alternative. Accusing someone of racism has much serious implications. So using the term in wrong context is just wrong. Would you be happy if someone calls you a racist whenever you complain about christians, Scientologists or capitalists? I don't complain about Christian, Scientologists or capitalists. If I did it would be about something specific, or about a specific person. If I was making negative generalisations about all Christians, Scientologists, or capitalists. Then I wouldn't really care which word was being used to describe my bigotry. " So you never have a generic view about people following any ideology? How about conservatism? Or fascism? | |||
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"Curious, when did Islam become a race? Would you prefer a different term to describe Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against Muslims? Do you have a term to describe prejudice, discrimination or antagonism directed at Christians, Buddhists, capitalists and socialists? Apologies. Missed this one. I don't have a term for this. It's rarely seem. However discrimination against Muslims is commonplace. Besides, this is the subject currently being discussed. As I have said before, there are lots of terrible statements made against people following other religions and also atheists. Not to mention people following other ideologies like socialism and capitalism. No one seems to bat an eye about thatm Is it? We see prejudice against Muslims regularly. This isn’t a flippant comment, where do “we” see prejudice against Muslims, regularly? Is that racist? Have a look around you in British society. Have a look at these forums. Have a look at the news. What are you asking me is racist? I’m not sure how you determine prejudice, I feel you set your barrier at different levels, but that is only one part of this. There is a constant confusion of Muslim = race, Christian = white and all the other combinations that I cannot be arsed to write! it is painful to see, it is like a never ending Brexit or Covid conversation with people wearing blinkers. This country needs to start challenging people who define things incorrectly, that could be you it could be me, but this nonsense is divisive and driving unrest. Just to be clear. You're suggesting that there is a difference between racism and being prejudice against Muslims. And people who conflate that are being decisive and driving unrest. Meanwhile actual racism, prejudice etc, where it exists, is what, no problem? You need to have a think about it, I’m starting to run out of fucks to give to people who arrive at the same station everyday at the same time." Honestly, I don't need to think about people not being prejudice and bigoted being as big of a problem as people who are. It's a complete waste of my time. I'm never going to agree. | |||
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"Curious, when did Islam become a race? Would you prefer a different term to describe Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against Muslims? Self hate when it comes to some characters. I have seen horrible statements made about Scientologists. Maybe we need a term for discrimination against Scientology too. If you like. Would you prefer a different term to describe Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against Muslims? Yes I would prefer a different term. The one can be used to describe antagonism against people following a specific ideology. The term should be used for antagonism against Islam, Christianity, Atheism, Scientology, Capitalism and Socialism too. Fair enough. Is there such a term? I don't know of any. Let me know if you find one. But racism is not the right word to use in this context. I'm not looking for another term. You're the one who wants an alternative. See your comment above. I am saying racism is the wrong term. There not being another term isn't a justification to use a term as serious as racism in the wrong context " In your opinion, was Anderson out of line to say what he said? And should he have been suspended for it? | |||
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"Curious, when did Islam become a race? Would you prefer a different term to describe Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against Muslims? Self hate when it comes to some characters. I have seen horrible statements made about Scientologists. Maybe we need a term for discrimination against Scientology too. If you like. Would you prefer a different term to describe Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against Muslims? Yes I would prefer a different term. The one can be used to describe antagonism against people following a specific ideology. The term should be used for antagonism against Islam, Christianity, Atheism, Scientology, Capitalism and Socialism too. Fair enough. Is there such a term? I don't know of any. Let me know if you find one. But racism is not the right word to use in this context. I'm not looking for another term. You're the one who wants an alternative. See your comment above. I am saying racism is the wrong term. There not being another term isn't a justification to use a term as serious as racism in the wrong context In your opinion, was Anderson out of line to say what he said? And should he have been suspended for it? " As NotMe said, he is stupid for making that remark, but not racist. | |||
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"Curious, when did Islam become a race? Would you prefer a different term to describe Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against Muslims? Self hate when it comes to some characters. I have seen horrible statements made about Scientologists. Maybe we need a term for discrimination against Scientology too. If you like. Would you prefer a different term to describe Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against Muslims? Yes I would prefer a different term. The one can be used to describe antagonism against people following a specific ideology. The term should be used for antagonism against Islam, Christianity, Atheism, Scientology, Capitalism and Socialism too. Fair enough. Is there such a term? I don't know of any. Let me know if you find one. But racism is not the right word to use in this context. I'm not looking for another term. You're the one who wants an alternative. See your comment above. I am saying racism is the wrong term. There not being another term isn't a justification to use a term as serious as racism in the wrong context In your opinion, was Anderson out of line to say what he said? And should he have been suspended for it? As NotMe said, he is stupid for making that remark, but not racist." Stupid because he didn’t know what it meant? | |||
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"Curious, when did Islam become a race? Would you prefer a different term to describe Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against Muslims? Self hate when it comes to some characters. I have seen horrible statements made about Scientologists. Maybe we need a term for discrimination against Scientology too. If you like. Would you prefer a different term to describe Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against Muslims? Yes I would prefer a different term. The one can be used to describe antagonism against people following a specific ideology. The term should be used for antagonism against Islam, Christianity, Atheism, Scientology, Capitalism and Socialism too. Fair enough. Is there such a term? I don't know of any. Let me know if you find one. But racism is not the right word to use in this context. I'm not looking for another term. You're the one who wants an alternative. See your comment above. I am saying racism is the wrong term. There not being another term isn't a justification to use a term as serious as racism in the wrong context I'm comfortable with your point of view, and comfortable if you choose to look for another term. It's not a top issue for me, so I won't be spending any time looking into an alternative. Accusing someone of racism has much serious implications. So using the term in wrong context is just wrong. Would you be happy if someone calls you a racist whenever you complain about christians, Scientologists or capitalists? I don't complain about Christian, Scientologists or capitalists. If I did it would be about something specific, or about a specific person. If I was making negative generalisations about all Christians, Scientologists, or capitalists. Then I wouldn't really care which word was being used to describe my bigotry. So you never have a generic view about people following any ideology? How about conservatism? Or fascism?" That's a good question. I have no generic view of religious people, regardless of which religion they follow. For a fascist, I have no interest in their perspectives. So I don't have a generic view. For Conservatism. It has so many different variations. It's not something I could have a generic view on. The key is to judge people as individuals, based on their actions and the things they say, not whatever pigeon hole they, or someone else puts them in. | |||
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"Curious, when did Islam become a race? Would you prefer a different term to describe Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against Muslims? Self hate when it comes to some characters. I have seen horrible statements made about Scientologists. Maybe we need a term for discrimination against Scientology too. If you like. Would you prefer a different term to describe Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against Muslims? Yes I would prefer a different term. The one can be used to describe antagonism against people following a specific ideology. The term should be used for antagonism against Islam, Christianity, Atheism, Scientology, Capitalism and Socialism too. Fair enough. Is there such a term? I don't know of any. Let me know if you find one. But racism is not the right word to use in this context. I'm not looking for another term. You're the one who wants an alternative. See your comment above. I am saying racism is the wrong term. There not being another term isn't a justification to use a term as serious as racism in the wrong context In your opinion, was Anderson out of line to say what he said? And should he have been suspended for it? As NotMe said, he is stupid for making that remark, but not racist. Stupid because he didn’t know what it meant? " Stupid because it was a statement made without evidence. | |||
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"Curious, when did Islam become a race? Would you prefer a different term to describe Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against Muslims? Self hate when it comes to some characters. I have seen horrible statements made about Scientologists. Maybe we need a term for discrimination against Scientology too. If you like. Would you prefer a different term to describe Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against Muslims? Yes I would prefer a different term. The one can be used to describe antagonism against people following a specific ideology. The term should be used for antagonism against Islam, Christianity, Atheism, Scientology, Capitalism and Socialism too. Fair enough. Is there such a term? I don't know of any. Let me know if you find one. But racism is not the right word to use in this context. I'm not looking for another term. You're the one who wants an alternative. See your comment above. I am saying racism is the wrong term. There not being another term isn't a justification to use a term as serious as racism in the wrong context I'm comfortable with your point of view, and comfortable if you choose to look for another term. It's not a top issue for me, so I won't be spending any time looking into an alternative. Accusing someone of racism has much serious implications. So using the term in wrong context is just wrong. Would you be happy if someone calls you a racist whenever you complain about christians, Scientologists or capitalists? I don't complain about Christian, Scientologists or capitalists. If I did it would be about something specific, or about a specific person. If I was making negative generalisations about all Christians, Scientologists, or capitalists. Then I wouldn't really care which word was being used to describe my bigotry. So you never have a generic view about people following any ideology? How about conservatism? Or fascism? That's a good question. I have no generic view of religious people, regardless of which religion they follow. For a fascist, I have no interest in their perspectives. So I don't have a generic view. For Conservatism. It has so many different variations. It's not something I could have a generic view on. The key is to judge people as individuals, based on their actions and the things they say, not whatever pigeon hole they, or someone else puts them in. " Cool, I will keep that in mind and remind you when you make statements about Christians, socialists, atheists, conservatives, fascists and far right wingers. They are all willfully following an ideology at the end of the day and according to you, it's wrong to criticise them for following an ideology. I will probably call you a racist if you do so. | |||
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"Curious, when did Islam become a race? Would you prefer a different term to describe Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against Muslims? Self hate when it comes to some characters. I have seen horrible statements made about Scientologists. Maybe we need a term for discrimination against Scientology too. If you like. Would you prefer a different term to describe Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against Muslims? Yes I would prefer a different term. The one can be used to describe antagonism against people following a specific ideology. The term should be used for antagonism against Islam, Christianity, Atheism, Scientology, Capitalism and Socialism too. Fair enough. Is there such a term? I don't know of any. Let me know if you find one. But racism is not the right word to use in this context. I'm not looking for another term. You're the one who wants an alternative. See your comment above. I am saying racism is the wrong term. There not being another term isn't a justification to use a term as serious as racism in the wrong context I'm comfortable with your point of view, and comfortable if you choose to look for another term. It's not a top issue for me, so I won't be spending any time looking into an alternative. Accusing someone of racism has much serious implications. So using the term in wrong context is just wrong. Would you be happy if someone calls you a racist whenever you complain about christians, Scientologists or capitalists? I don't complain about Christian, Scientologists or capitalists. If I did it would be about something specific, or about a specific person. If I was making negative generalisations about all Christians, Scientologists, or capitalists. Then I wouldn't really care which word was being used to describe my bigotry. So you never have a generic view about people following any ideology? How about conservatism? Or fascism? That's a good question. I have no generic view of religious people, regardless of which religion they follow. For a fascist, I have no interest in their perspectives. So I don't have a generic view. For Conservatism. It has so many different variations. It's not something I could have a generic view on. The key is to judge people as individuals, based on their actions and the things they say, not whatever pigeon hole they, or someone else puts them in. Cool, I will keep that in mind and remind you when you make statements about Christians, socialists, atheists, conservatives, fascists and far right wingers. " Sure. Crack on. Whatever floats your boat. " They are all willfully following an ideology at the end of the day and according to you, it's wrong to criticise them for following an ideology. " You seem to have made a lot of baseless assumptions about me, and no longer seem to be talking about anything relevant to the conversation. " I will probably call you a racist if you do so." Whatever does it for you. | |||
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"Curious, when did Islam become a race? Would you prefer a different term to describe Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against Muslims? Self hate when it comes to some characters. I have seen horrible statements made about Scientologists. Maybe we need a term for discrimination against Scientology too. If you like. Would you prefer a different term to describe Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against Muslims? Yes I would prefer a different term. The one can be used to describe antagonism against people following a specific ideology. The term should be used for antagonism against Islam, Christianity, Atheism, Scientology, Capitalism and Socialism too. Fair enough. Is there such a term? I don't know of any. Let me know if you find one. But racism is not the right word to use in this context. I'm not looking for another term. You're the one who wants an alternative. See your comment above. I am saying racism is the wrong term. There not being another term isn't a justification to use a term as serious as racism in the wrong context I'm comfortable with your point of view, and comfortable if you choose to look for another term. It's not a top issue for me, so I won't be spending any time looking into an alternative. Accusing someone of racism has much serious implications. So using the term in wrong context is just wrong. Would you be happy if someone calls you a racist whenever you complain about christians, Scientologists or capitalists? I don't complain about Christian, Scientologists or capitalists. If I did it would be about something specific, or about a specific person. If I was making negative generalisations about all Christians, Scientologists, or capitalists. Then I wouldn't really care which word was being used to describe my bigotry. So you never have a generic view about people following any ideology? How about conservatism? Or fascism? That's a good question. I have no generic view of religious people, regardless of which religion they follow. For a fascist, I have no interest in their perspectives. So I don't have a generic view. For Conservatism. It has so many different variations. It's not something I could have a generic view on. The key is to judge people as individuals, based on their actions and the things they say, not whatever pigeon hole they, or someone else puts them in. Cool, I will keep that in mind and remind you when you make statements about Christians, socialists, atheists, conservatives, fascists and far right wingers. Sure. Crack on. Whatever floats your boat. They are all willfully following an ideology at the end of the day and according to you, it's wrong to criticise them for following an ideology. You seem to have made a lot of baseless assumptions about me, and no longer seem to be talking about anything relevant to the conversation. I will probably call you a racist if you do so. Whatever does it for you. "What's so baseless and wrong about it? And how is it irrelevant to the conversation? My original point was about the difference between race and religion. You said that it's wrong to make generalised statements about someone for following a religion. I was curious about where you draw the line on this condition because religions are ideologies at the end of the day and the same could be said about capitalism or fascism too. Hell I could start a religion tomorrow which preaches that the way to reach heaven is to beat the crap out of your neighbours. Going by your argument, anyone criticising all followers of my new religion will also be a racist. You see the problem with your argument? | |||
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"Curious, when did Islam become a race? Would you prefer a different term to describe Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against Muslims? Self hate when it comes to some characters. I have seen horrible statements made about Scientologists. Maybe we need a term for discrimination against Scientology too. If you like. Would you prefer a different term to describe Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against Muslims? Yes I would prefer a different term. The one can be used to describe antagonism against people following a specific ideology. The term should be used for antagonism against Islam, Christianity, Atheism, Scientology, Capitalism and Socialism too. Fair enough. Is there such a term? I don't know of any. Let me know if you find one. But racism is not the right word to use in this context. I'm not looking for another term. You're the one who wants an alternative. See your comment above. I am saying racism is the wrong term. There not being another term isn't a justification to use a term as serious as racism in the wrong context I'm comfortable with your point of view, and comfortable if you choose to look for another term. It's not a top issue for me, so I won't be spending any time looking into an alternative. Accusing someone of racism has much serious implications. So using the term in wrong context is just wrong. Would you be happy if someone calls you a racist whenever you complain about christians, Scientologists or capitalists? I don't complain about Christian, Scientologists or capitalists. If I did it would be about something specific, or about a specific person. If I was making negative generalisations about all Christians, Scientologists, or capitalists. Then I wouldn't really care which word was being used to describe my bigotry. So you never have a generic view about people following any ideology? How about conservatism? Or fascism? That's a good question. I have no generic view of religious people, regardless of which religion they follow. For a fascist, I have no interest in their perspectives. So I don't have a generic view. For Conservatism. It has so many different variations. It's not something I could have a generic view on. The key is to judge people as individuals, based on their actions and the things they say, not whatever pigeon hole they, or someone else puts them in. Cool, I will keep that in mind and remind you when you make statements about Christians, socialists, atheists, conservatives, fascists and far right wingers. Sure. Crack on. Whatever floats your boat. They are all willfully following an ideology at the end of the day and according to you, it's wrong to criticise them for following an ideology. You seem to have made a lot of baseless assumptions about me, and no longer seem to be talking about anything relevant to the conversation. I will probably call you a racist if you do so. Whatever does it for you.
What's so baseless and wrong about it?
"You said "according to you, it's wrong to criticise them for following an ideology". Which is not at all the point I was making at any stage. " And how is it irrelevant to the conversation? " Because you're trying to make this about me instead of the topic which I replied to you about. " My original point was about the difference between race and religion. You said that it's wrong to make generalised statements about someone for following a religion. " I didn't say it was wrong. I said i don't do it in the examples you gave. And for extra clarity I said. "The key is to judge people as individuals, based on their actions and the things they say, not whatever pigeon hole they, or someone else puts them in." " I was curious about where you draw the line on this condition because religions are ideologies at the end of the day and the same could be said about capitalism or fascism too. " I don't draw the line, I'm not interested in judging people by whatever pigeon hole they, or someone else puts them in. " Hell I could start a religion tomorrow which preaches that the way to reach heaven is to beat the crap out of your neighbours. Going by your argument, anyone criticising all followers of my new religion will also be a racist. You see the problem with your argument?" You could start a religion like that. The rest of this is a load of nonsense that you made up about me, then seem to have got angry about. | |||
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" The key is to judge people as individuals, based on their actions and the things they say, not whatever pigeon hole they, or someone else puts them in. Cool, I will keep that in mind and remind you when you make statements about Christians, socialists, atheists, conservatives, fascists and far right wingers. Sure. Crack on. Whatever floats your boat. They are all willfully following an ideology at the end of the day and according to you, it's wrong to criticise them for following an ideology. You seem to have made a lot of baseless assumptions about me, and no longer seem to be talking about anything relevant to the conversation. I will probably call you a racist if you do so. Whatever does it for you.
What's so baseless and wrong about it?
You said "according to you, it's wrong to criticise them for following an ideology". Which is not at all the point I was making at any stage.
And how is it irrelevant to the conversation?
Because you're trying to make this about me instead of the topic which I replied to you about.
My original point was about the difference between race and religion. You said that it's wrong to make generalised statements about someone for following a religion.
I didn't say it was wrong. I said i don't do it in the examples you gave. And for extra clarity I said.
"The key is to judge people as individuals, based on their actions and the things they say, not whatever pigeon hole they, or someone else puts them in."
I was curious about where you draw the line on this condition because religions are ideologies at the end of the day and the same could be said about capitalism or fascism too.
I don't draw the line, I'm not interested in judging people by whatever pigeon hole they, or someone else puts them in.
Hell I could start a religion tomorrow which preaches that the way to reach heaven is to beat the crap out of your neighbours. Going by your argument, anyone criticising all followers of my new religion will also be a racist. You see the problem with your argument?
You could start a religion like that. The rest of this is a load of nonsense that you made up about me, then seem to have got angry about.
"Sure. Next time someone says he believes in fascism or Nazism, I will keep your advice in mind. I wouldn't judge that person for following those ideologies. I wouldn't judge the person by whatever pigeon hole they or someone else puts them in. Thanks for enlightening me | |||
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" The key is to judge people as individuals, based on their actions and the things they say, not whatever pigeon hole they, or someone else puts them in. Cool, I will keep that in mind and remind you when you make statements about Christians, socialists, atheists, conservatives, fascists and far right wingers. Sure. Crack on. Whatever floats your boat. They are all willfully following an ideology at the end of the day and according to you, it's wrong to criticise them for following an ideology. You seem to have made a lot of baseless assumptions about me, and no longer seem to be talking about anything relevant to the conversation. I will probably call you a racist if you do so. Whatever does it for you.
What's so baseless and wrong about it?
You said "according to you, it's wrong to criticise them for following an ideology". Which is not at all the point I was making at any stage.
And how is it irrelevant to the conversation?
Because you're trying to make this about me instead of the topic which I replied to you about.
My original point was about the difference between race and religion. You said that it's wrong to make generalised statements about someone for following a religion.
I didn't say it was wrong. I said i don't do it in the examples you gave. And for extra clarity I said.
"The key is to judge people as individuals, based on their actions and the things they say, not whatever pigeon hole they, or someone else puts them in."
I was curious about where you draw the line on this condition because religions are ideologies at the end of the day and the same could be said about capitalism or fascism too.
I don't draw the line, I'm not interested in judging people by whatever pigeon hole they, or someone else puts them in.
Hell I could start a religion tomorrow which preaches that the way to reach heaven is to beat the crap out of your neighbours. Going by your argument, anyone criticising all followers of my new religion will also be a racist. You see the problem with your argument?
You could start a religion like that. The rest of this is a load of nonsense that you made up about me, then seem to have got angry about.
Sure. Next time someone says he believes in fascism or Nazism, I will keep your advice in mind. I wouldn't judge that person for following those ideologies. I wouldn't judge the person by whatever pigeon hole they or someone else puts them in. Thanks for enlightening me "Now you're just willfully misunderstanding. | |||
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"Curious, when did Islam become a race? Would you prefer a different term to describe Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against Muslims? Self hate when it comes to some characters. I have seen horrible statements made about Scientologists. Maybe we need a term for discrimination against Scientology too. If you like. Would you prefer a different term to describe Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against Muslims? Yes I would prefer a different term. The one can be used to describe antagonism against people following a specific ideology. The term should be used for antagonism against Islam, Christianity, Atheism, Scientology, Capitalism and Socialism too. Fair enough. Is there such a term? I don't know of any. Let me know if you find one. But racism is not the right word to use in this context. I'm not looking for another term. You're the one who wants an alternative. See your comment above. I am saying racism is the wrong term. There not being another term isn't a justification to use a term as serious as racism in the wrong context I'm comfortable with your point of view, and comfortable if you choose to look for another term. It's not a top issue for me, so I won't be spending any time looking into an alternative. Accusing someone of racism has much serious implications. So using the term in wrong context is just wrong. Would you be happy if someone calls you a racist whenever you complain about christians, Scientologists or capitalists? I don't complain about Christian, Scientologists or capitalists. If I did it would be about something specific, or about a specific person. If I was making negative generalisations about all Christians, Scientologists, or capitalists. Then I wouldn't really care which word was being used to describe my bigotry. So you never have a generic view about people following any ideology? How about conservatism? Or fascism? That's a good question. I have no generic view of religious people, regardless of which religion they follow. For a fascist, I have no interest in their perspectives. So I don't have a generic view. For Conservatism. It has so many different variations. It's not something I could have a generic view on. The key is to judge people as individuals, based on their actions and the things they say, not whatever pigeon hole they, or someone else puts them in. Cool, I will keep that in mind and remind you when you make statements about Christians, socialists, atheists, conservatives, fascists and far right wingers. Sure. Crack on. Whatever floats your boat. They are all willfully following an ideology at the end of the day and according to you, it's wrong to criticise them for following an ideology. You seem to have made a lot of baseless assumptions about me, and no longer seem to be talking about anything relevant to the conversation. I will probably call you a racist if you do so. Whatever does it for you.
What's so baseless and wrong about it?
You said "according to you, it's wrong to criticise them for following an ideology". Which is not at all the point I was making at any stage.
And how is it irrelevant to the conversation?
Because you're trying to make this about me instead of the topic which I replied to you about.
My original point was about the difference between race and religion. You said that it's wrong to make generalised statements about someone for following a religion.
I didn't say it was wrong. I said i don't do it in the examples you gave. And for extra clarity I said.
"The key is to judge people as individuals, based on their actions and the things they say, not whatever pigeon hole they, or someone else puts them in."
I was curious about where you draw the line on this condition because religions are ideologies at the end of the day and the same could be said about capitalism or fascism too.
I don't draw the line, I'm not interested in judging people by whatever pigeon hole they, or someone else puts them in.
Hell I could start a religion tomorrow which preaches that the way to reach heaven is to beat the crap out of your neighbours. Going by your argument, anyone criticising all followers of my new religion will also be a racist. You see the problem with your argument?
You could start a religion like that. The rest of this is a load of nonsense that you made up about me, then seem to have got angry about.
"Your last response above here: I don’t see a personal attack made up by _ostindreams, it was a hypothetical that questioned the logic you have applied to your arguments. Can you see this or not? | |||
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" The key is to judge people as individuals, based on their actions and the things they say, not whatever pigeon hole they, or someone else puts them in. Cool, I will keep that in mind and remind you when you make statements about Christians, socialists, atheists, conservatives, fascists and far right wingers. Sure. Crack on. Whatever floats your boat. They are all willfully following an ideology at the end of the day and according to you, it's wrong to criticise them for following an ideology. You seem to have made a lot of baseless assumptions about me, and no longer seem to be talking about anything relevant to the conversation. I will probably call you a racist if you do so. Whatever does it for you.
What's so baseless and wrong about it?
You said "according to you, it's wrong to criticise them for following an ideology". Which is not at all the point I was making at any stage.
And how is it irrelevant to the conversation?
Because you're trying to make this about me instead of the topic which I replied to you about.
My original point was about the difference between race and religion. You said that it's wrong to make generalised statements about someone for following a religion.
I didn't say it was wrong. I said i don't do it in the examples you gave. And for extra clarity I said.
"The key is to judge people as individuals, based on their actions and the things they say, not whatever pigeon hole they, or someone else puts them in."
I was curious about where you draw the line on this condition because religions are ideologies at the end of the day and the same could be said about capitalism or fascism too.
I don't draw the line, I'm not interested in judging people by whatever pigeon hole they, or someone else puts them in.
Hell I could start a religion tomorrow which preaches that the way to reach heaven is to beat the crap out of your neighbours. Going by your argument, anyone criticising all followers of my new religion will also be a racist. You see the problem with your argument?
You could start a religion like that. The rest of this is a load of nonsense that you made up about me, then seem to have got angry about.
Sure. Next time someone says he believes in fascism or Nazism, I will keep your advice in mind. I wouldn't judge that person for following those ideologies. I wouldn't judge the person by whatever pigeon hole they or someone else puts them in. Thanks for enlightening me
Now you're just willfully misunderstanding."What have I misunderstood? You said that an individual should not be judged based on their ideology they follow. Fascism and Nazism are ideologies too. That's why I asked where to draw the line. You haven't answered that. | |||
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" The key is to judge people as individuals, based on their actions and the things they say, not whatever pigeon hole they, or someone else puts them in. Cool, I will keep that in mind and remind you when you make statements about Christians, socialists, atheists, conservatives, fascists and far right wingers. Sure. Crack on. Whatever floats your boat. They are all willfully following an ideology at the end of the day and according to you, it's wrong to criticise them for following an ideology. You seem to have made a lot of baseless assumptions about me, and no longer seem to be talking about anything relevant to the conversation. I will probably call you a racist if you do so. Whatever does it for you.
What's so baseless and wrong about it?
You said "according to you, it's wrong to criticise them for following an ideology". Which is not at all the point I was making at any stage.
And how is it irrelevant to the conversation?
Because you're trying to make this about me instead of the topic which I replied to you about.
My original point was about the difference between race and religion. You said that it's wrong to make generalised statements about someone for following a religion.
I didn't say it was wrong. I said i don't do it in the examples you gave. And for extra clarity I said.
"The key is to judge people as individuals, based on their actions and the things they say, not whatever pigeon hole they, or someone else puts them in."
I was curious about where you draw the line on this condition because religions are ideologies at the end of the day and the same could be said about capitalism or fascism too.
I don't draw the line, I'm not interested in judging people by whatever pigeon hole they, or someone else puts them in.
Hell I could start a religion tomorrow which preaches that the way to reach heaven is to beat the crap out of your neighbours. Going by your argument, anyone criticising all followers of my new religion will also be a racist. You see the problem with your argument?
You could start a religion like that. The rest of this is a load of nonsense that you made up about me, then seem to have got angry about.
Sure. Next time someone says he believes in fascism or Nazism, I will keep your advice in mind. I wouldn't judge that person for following those ideologies. I wouldn't judge the person by whatever pigeon hole they or someone else puts them in. Thanks for enlightening me
Now you're just willfully misunderstanding.
What have I misunderstood? You said that an individual should not be judged based on their ideology they follow. Fascism and Nazism are ideologies too. That's why I asked where to draw the line. You haven't answered that."Let's try this again. I prefer to judge people by their actions or by the things they say, rather than their religion. You may choose any alternative method for judging people. If you think you're being told not to judge Nazis for being Nazis. That's on you, and has nothing to do with me. Everything else involing ideologies, I haven't commented on. | |||
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"Curious, when did Islam become a race? Would you prefer a different term to describe Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against Muslims? Self hate when it comes to some characters. I have seen horrible statements made about Scientologists. Maybe we need a term for discrimination against Scientology too. If you like. Would you prefer a different term to describe Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against Muslims? Yes I would prefer a different term. The one can be used to describe antagonism against people following a specific ideology. The term should be used for antagonism against Islam, Christianity, Atheism, Scientology, Capitalism and Socialism too. Fair enough. Is there such a term? I don't know of any. Let me know if you find one. But racism is not the right word to use in this context. I'm not looking for another term. You're the one who wants an alternative. See your comment above. I am saying racism is the wrong term. There not being another term isn't a justification to use a term as serious as racism in the wrong context I'm comfortable with your point of view, and comfortable if you choose to look for another term. It's not a top issue for me, so I won't be spending any time looking into an alternative. Accusing someone of racism has much serious implications. So using the term in wrong context is just wrong. Would you be happy if someone calls you a racist whenever you complain about christians, Scientologists or capitalists? I don't complain about Christian, Scientologists or capitalists. If I did it would be about something specific, or about a specific person. If I was making negative generalisations about all Christians, Scientologists, or capitalists. Then I wouldn't really care which word was being used to describe my bigotry. So you never have a generic view about people following any ideology? How about conservatism? Or fascism? That's a good question. I have no generic view of religious people, regardless of which religion they follow. For a fascist, I have no interest in their perspectives. So I don't have a generic view. For Conservatism. It has so many different variations. It's not something I could have a generic view on. The key is to judge people as individuals, based on their actions and the things they say, not whatever pigeon hole they, or someone else puts them in. Cool, I will keep that in mind and remind you when you make statements about Christians, socialists, atheists, conservatives, fascists and far right wingers. Sure. Crack on. Whatever floats your boat. They are all willfully following an ideology at the end of the day and according to you, it's wrong to criticise them for following an ideology. You seem to have made a lot of baseless assumptions about me, and no longer seem to be talking about anything relevant to the conversation. I will probably call you a racist if you do so. Whatever does it for you.
What's so baseless and wrong about it?
You said "according to you, it's wrong to criticise them for following an ideology". Which is not at all the point I was making at any stage.
And how is it irrelevant to the conversation?
Because you're trying to make this about me instead of the topic which I replied to you about.
My original point was about the difference between race and religion. You said that it's wrong to make generalised statements about someone for following a religion.
I didn't say it was wrong. I said i don't do it in the examples you gave. And for extra clarity I said.
"The key is to judge people as individuals, based on their actions and the things they say, not whatever pigeon hole they, or someone else puts them in."
I was curious about where you draw the line on this condition because religions are ideologies at the end of the day and the same could be said about capitalism or fascism too.
I don't draw the line, I'm not interested in judging people by whatever pigeon hole they, or someone else puts them in.
Hell I could start a religion tomorrow which preaches that the way to reach heaven is to beat the crap out of your neighbours. Going by your argument, anyone criticising all followers of my new religion will also be a racist. You see the problem with your argument?
You could start a religion like that. The rest of this is a load of nonsense that you made up about me, then seem to have got angry about.
Your last response above here: I don’t see a personal attack made up by _ostindreams,
"Me neither. " it was a hypothetical that questioned the logic you have applied to your arguments. " Nope, it was a bunch of assumptions about me. " Can you see this or not?" Nope. Thanks for your contribution. | |||
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"Curious, when did Islam become a race? Would you prefer a different term to describe Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against Muslims? Self hate when it comes to some characters. I have seen horrible statements made about Scientologists. Maybe we need a term for discrimination against Scientology too. If you like. Would you prefer a different term to describe Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against Muslims? Yes I would prefer a different term. The one can be used to describe antagonism against people following a specific ideology. The term should be used for antagonism against Islam, Christianity, Atheism, Scientology, Capitalism and Socialism too. Fair enough. Is there such a term? I don't know of any. Let me know if you find one. But racism is not the right word to use in this context. I'm not looking for another term. You're the one who wants an alternative. See your comment above. I am saying racism is the wrong term. There not being another term isn't a justification to use a term as serious as racism in the wrong context I'm comfortable with your point of view, and comfortable if you choose to look for another term. It's not a top issue for me, so I won't be spending any time looking into an alternative. Accusing someone of racism has much serious implications. So using the term in wrong context is just wrong. Would you be happy if someone calls you a racist whenever you complain about christians, Scientologists or capitalists? I don't complain about Christian, Scientologists or capitalists. If I did it would be about something specific, or about a specific person. If I was making negative generalisations about all Christians, Scientologists, or capitalists. Then I wouldn't really care which word was being used to describe my bigotry. So you never have a generic view about people following any ideology? How about conservatism? Or fascism? That's a good question. I have no generic view of religious people, regardless of which religion they follow. For a fascist, I have no interest in their perspectives. So I don't have a generic view. For Conservatism. It has so many different variations. It's not something I could have a generic view on. The key is to judge people as individuals, based on their actions and the things they say, not whatever pigeon hole they, or someone else puts them in. Cool, I will keep that in mind and remind you when you make statements about Christians, socialists, atheists, conservatives, fascists and far right wingers. Sure. Crack on. Whatever floats your boat. They are all willfully following an ideology at the end of the day and according to you, it's wrong to criticise them for following an ideology. You seem to have made a lot of baseless assumptions about me, and no longer seem to be talking about anything relevant to the conversation. I will probably call you a racist if you do so. Whatever does it for you.
What's so baseless and wrong about it?
You said "according to you, it's wrong to criticise them for following an ideology". Which is not at all the point I was making at any stage.
And how is it irrelevant to the conversation?
Because you're trying to make this about me instead of the topic which I replied to you about.
My original point was about the difference between race and religion. You said that it's wrong to make generalised statements about someone for following a religion.
I didn't say it was wrong. I said i don't do it in the examples you gave. And for extra clarity I said.
"The key is to judge people as individuals, based on their actions and the things they say, not whatever pigeon hole they, or someone else puts them in."
I was curious about where you draw the line on this condition because religions are ideologies at the end of the day and the same could be said about capitalism or fascism too.
I don't draw the line, I'm not interested in judging people by whatever pigeon hole they, or someone else puts them in.
Hell I could start a religion tomorrow which preaches that the way to reach heaven is to beat the crap out of your neighbours. Going by your argument, anyone criticising all followers of my new religion will also be a racist. You see the problem with your argument?
You could start a religion like that. The rest of this is a load of nonsense that you made up about me, then seem to have got angry about.
Your last response above here: I don’t see a personal attack made up by _ostindreams,
Me neither.
it was a hypothetical that questioned the logic you have applied to your arguments.
Nope, it was a bunch of assumptions about me.
Can you see this or not?
Nope.
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"Curious, when did Islam become a race? Would you prefer a different term to describe Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against Muslims? Self hate when it comes to some characters. I have seen horrible statements made about Scientologists. Maybe we need a term for discrimination against Scientology too. If you like. Would you prefer a different term to describe Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against Muslims? Yes I would prefer a different term. The one can be used to describe antagonism against people following a specific ideology. The term should be used for antagonism against Islam, Christianity, Atheism, Scientology, Capitalism and Socialism too. Fair enough. Is there such a term? I don't know of any. Let me know if you find one. But racism is not the right word to use in this context. I'm not looking for another term. You're the one who wants an alternative. See your comment above. I am saying racism is the wrong term. There not being another term isn't a justification to use a term as serious as racism in the wrong context I'm comfortable with your point of view, and comfortable if you choose to look for another term. It's not a top issue for me, so I won't be spending any time looking into an alternative. Accusing someone of racism has much serious implications. So using the term in wrong context is just wrong. Would you be happy if someone calls you a racist whenever you complain about christians, Scientologists or capitalists? I don't complain about Christian, Scientologists or capitalists. If I did it would be about something specific, or about a specific person. If I was making negative generalisations about all Christians, Scientologists, or capitalists. Then I wouldn't really care which word was being used to describe my bigotry. So you never have a generic view about people following any ideology? How about conservatism? Or fascism? That's a good question. I have no generic view of religious people, regardless of which religion they follow. For a fascist, I have no interest in their perspectives. So I don't have a generic view. For Conservatism. It has so many different variations. It's not something I could have a generic view on. The key is to judge people as individuals, based on their actions and the things they say, not whatever pigeon hole they, or someone else puts them in. Cool, I will keep that in mind and remind you when you make statements about Christians, socialists, atheists, conservatives, fascists and far right wingers. Sure. Crack on. Whatever floats your boat. They are all willfully following an ideology at the end of the day and according to you, it's wrong to criticise them for following an ideology. You seem to have made a lot of baseless assumptions about me, and no longer seem to be talking about anything relevant to the conversation. I will probably call you a racist if you do so. Whatever does it for you.
What's so baseless and wrong about it?
You said "according to you, it's wrong to criticise them for following an ideology". Which is not at all the point I was making at any stage.
And how is it irrelevant to the conversation?
Because you're trying to make this about me instead of the topic which I replied to you about.
My original point was about the difference between race and religion. You said that it's wrong to make generalised statements about someone for following a religion.
I didn't say it was wrong. I said i don't do it in the examples you gave. And for extra clarity I said.
"The key is to judge people as individuals, based on their actions and the things they say, not whatever pigeon hole they, or someone else puts them in."
I was curious about where you draw the line on this condition because religions are ideologies at the end of the day and the same could be said about capitalism or fascism too.
I don't draw the line, I'm not interested in judging people by whatever pigeon hole they, or someone else puts them in.
Hell I could start a religion tomorrow which preaches that the way to reach heaven is to beat the crap out of your neighbours. Going by your argument, anyone criticising all followers of my new religion will also be a racist. You see the problem with your argument?
You could start a religion like that. The rest of this is a load of nonsense that you made up about me, then seem to have got angry about.
Your last response above here: I don’t see a personal attack made up by _ostindreams,
Me neither.
it was a hypothetical that questioned the logic you have applied to your arguments.
Nope, it was a bunch of assumptions about me.
Can you see this or not?
Nope.
Thanks for your contribution.
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" Let's try this again. " I am up for trying as many times as you want. " I prefer to judge people by their actions or by the things they say, rather than their religion. " My question is does it apply to only religions or any non-religious ideologies too? In your previous posts, you said that it applies for non-religious ideologies too. If not, tell me why religions deserve special status over other ideologies? Does it mean I can make up a new religion with some disgusting ideals and it's wrong to judge someone for following that religion? " If you think you're being told not to judge Nazis for being Nazis. That's on you, and has nothing to do with me. " I just took your own reasoning to a natural conclusion. So it actually has a lot to do with you. | |||
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" Let's try this again. I am up for trying as many times as you want. I prefer to judge people by their actions or by the things they say, rather than their religion. My question is does it apply to only religions or any non-religious ideologies too? In your previous posts, you said that it applies for non-religious ideologies too. If not, tell me why religions deserve special status over other ideologies? Does it mean I can make up a new religion with some disgusting ideals and it's wrong to judge someone for following that religion? " A religion isn't the same as the type of ideologies you gave as examples to me. Do what you like. My principals remains the same. To judge people on their actions and the things they say. I honestly don't think you'll be able to persuade me to be prejudice against groups of people based on arbitrary groups. " If you think you're being told not to judge Nazis for being Nazis. That's on you, and has nothing to do with me. I just took your own reasoning to a natural conclusion. So it actually has a lot to do with you. " Sure let's go to the natural conclusion (attempted strawman). If someone believes in the nazi ideology. But is kind to people, doesn't actively discriminate against people. Then I judge them on their actions and the things they say. I can't, and don't want to control they way they think. If someone understands climate science, and believes in saving the planet for future generations, but then goes round punching grannies and firebombing mosques. Then again. I judge them by their actions and the things they say. I'm not sure how else to explain it. | |||
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"Curious, when did Islam become a race? Would you prefer a different term to describe Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against Muslims? Self hate when it comes to some characters. I have seen horrible statements made about Scientologists. Maybe we need a term for discrimination against Scientology too. If you like. Would you prefer a different term to describe Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against Muslims? Yes I would prefer a different term. The one can be used to describe antagonism against people following a specific ideology. The term should be used for antagonism against Islam, Christianity, Atheism, Scientology, Capitalism and Socialism too. Fair enough. Is there such a term? I don't know of any. Let me know if you find one. But racism is not the right word to use in this context. I'm not looking for another term. You're the one who wants an alternative. See your comment above. I am saying racism is the wrong term. There not being another term isn't a justification to use a term as serious as racism in the wrong context I'm comfortable with your point of view, and comfortable if you choose to look for another term. It's not a top issue for me, so I won't be spending any time looking into an alternative. Accusing someone of racism has much serious implications. So using the term in wrong context is just wrong. Would you be happy if someone calls you a racist whenever you complain about christians, Scientologists or capitalists? I don't complain about Christian, Scientologists or capitalists. If I did it would be about something specific, or about a specific person. If I was making negative generalisations about all Christians, Scientologists, or capitalists. Then I wouldn't really care which word was being used to describe my bigotry. So you never have a generic view about people following any ideology? How about conservatism? Or fascism? That's a good question. I have no generic view of religious people, regardless of which religion they follow. For a fascist, I have no interest in their perspectives. So I don't have a generic view. For Conservatism. It has so many different variations. It's not something I could have a generic view on. The key is to judge people as individuals, based on their actions and the things they say, not whatever pigeon hole they, or someone else puts them in. Cool, I will keep that in mind and remind you when you make statements about Christians, socialists, atheists, conservatives, fascists and far right wingers. Sure. Crack on. Whatever floats your boat. They are all willfully following an ideology at the end of the day and according to you, it's wrong to criticise them for following an ideology. You seem to have made a lot of baseless assumptions about me, and no longer seem to be talking about anything relevant to the conversation. I will probably call you a racist if you do so. Whatever does it for you.
What's so baseless and wrong about it?
You said "according to you, it's wrong to criticise them for following an ideology". Which is not at all the point I was making at any stage.
And how is it irrelevant to the conversation?
Because you're trying to make this about me instead of the topic which I replied to you about.
My original point was about the difference between race and religion. You said that it's wrong to make generalised statements about someone for following a religion.
I didn't say it was wrong. I said i don't do it in the examples you gave. And for extra clarity I said.
"The key is to judge people as individuals, based on their actions and the things they say, not whatever pigeon hole they, or someone else puts them in."
I was curious about where you draw the line on this condition because religions are ideologies at the end of the day and the same could be said about capitalism or fascism too.
I don't draw the line, I'm not interested in judging people by whatever pigeon hole they, or someone else puts them in.
Hell I could start a religion tomorrow which preaches that the way to reach heaven is to beat the crap out of your neighbours. Going by your argument, anyone criticising all followers of my new religion will also be a racist. You see the problem with your argument?
You could start a religion like that. The rest of this is a load of nonsense that you made up about me, then seem to have got angry about.
Your last response above here: I don’t see a personal attack made up by _ostindreams,
Me neither.
it was a hypothetical that questioned the logic you have applied to your arguments.
Nope, it was a bunch of assumptions about me.
Can you see this or not?
Nope.
Thanks for your contribution.
Your responses are erratic again.
Any comments on the subject matter, or just trying to for some reason make this about me?"That is incorrect, it is you making it about you. You can answer a question or you can ignore, it is very poor form to keep deferring to accusations of personal attack when you don’t like the question. If you don’t understand the question, ask for more information, if you don’t agree with the question / position challenge it. The question I have to get this on track, how can religion become racist? | |||
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"Curious, when did Islam become a race? Would you prefer a different term to describe Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against Muslims? Self hate when it comes to some characters. I have seen horrible statements made about Scientologists. Maybe we need a term for discrimination against Scientology too. If you like. Would you prefer a different term to describe Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against Muslims? Yes I would prefer a different term. The one can be used to describe antagonism against people following a specific ideology. The term should be used for antagonism against Islam, Christianity, Atheism, Scientology, Capitalism and Socialism too. Fair enough. Is there such a term? I don't know of any. Let me know if you find one. But racism is not the right word to use in this context. I'm not looking for another term. You're the one who wants an alternative. See your comment above. I am saying racism is the wrong term. There not being another term isn't a justification to use a term as serious as racism in the wrong context I'm comfortable with your point of view, and comfortable if you choose to look for another term. It's not a top issue for me, so I won't be spending any time looking into an alternative. Accusing someone of racism has much serious implications. So using the term in wrong context is just wrong. Would you be happy if someone calls you a racist whenever you complain about christians, Scientologists or capitalists? I don't complain about Christian, Scientologists or capitalists. If I did it would be about something specific, or about a specific person. If I was making negative generalisations about all Christians, Scientologists, or capitalists. Then I wouldn't really care which word was being used to describe my bigotry. So you never have a generic view about people following any ideology? How about conservatism? Or fascism? That's a good question. I have no generic view of religious people, regardless of which religion they follow. For a fascist, I have no interest in their perspectives. So I don't have a generic view. For Conservatism. It has so many different variations. It's not something I could have a generic view on. The key is to judge people as individuals, based on their actions and the things they say, not whatever pigeon hole they, or someone else puts them in. Cool, I will keep that in mind and remind you when you make statements about Christians, socialists, atheists, conservatives, fascists and far right wingers. Sure. Crack on. Whatever floats your boat. They are all willfully following an ideology at the end of the day and according to you, it's wrong to criticise them for following an ideology. You seem to have made a lot of baseless assumptions about me, and no longer seem to be talking about anything relevant to the conversation. I will probably call you a racist if you do so. Whatever does it for you.
What's so baseless and wrong about it?
You said "according to you, it's wrong to criticise them for following an ideology". Which is not at all the point I was making at any stage.
And how is it irrelevant to the conversation?
Because you're trying to make this about me instead of the topic which I replied to you about.
My original point was about the difference between race and religion. You said that it's wrong to make generalised statements about someone for following a religion.
I didn't say it was wrong. I said i don't do it in the examples you gave. And for extra clarity I said.
"The key is to judge people as individuals, based on their actions and the things they say, not whatever pigeon hole they, or someone else puts them in."
I was curious about where you draw the line on this condition because religions are ideologies at the end of the day and the same could be said about capitalism or fascism too.
I don't draw the line, I'm not interested in judging people by whatever pigeon hole they, or someone else puts them in.
Hell I could start a religion tomorrow which preaches that the way to reach heaven is to beat the crap out of your neighbours. Going by your argument, anyone criticising all followers of my new religion will also be a racist. You see the problem with your argument?
You could start a religion like that. The rest of this is a load of nonsense that you made up about me, then seem to have got angry about.
Your last response above here: I don’t see a personal attack made up by _ostindreams,
Me neither.
it was a hypothetical that questioned the logic you have applied to your arguments.
Nope, it was a bunch of assumptions about me.
Can you see this or not?
Nope.
Thanks for your contribution.
Your responses are erratic again.
Any comments on the subject matter, or just trying to for some reason make this about me?
That is incorrect, it is you making it about you.
"I've repeatedly tried to steer the conversation away from me and back to the topic. " You can answer a question or you can ignore, it is very poor form to keep deferring to accusations of personal attack when you don’t like the question. " I don't know what question you think I haven't answered. I've attempted to answer all the questions the other chap asked. No one has talked about personal attacks here except you. As a part of your bizarre attempt to make this about me. " If you don’t understand the question, ask for more information, " I always ask for more information when you ask unrelated questions. This rarely ever gets me anywhere, so I stopped. " if you don’t agree with the question / position challenge it. " How can I not agree with a question? " The question I have to get this on track, how can religion become racist?" I don't know. Are you going to tell me? | |||
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"Curious, when did Islam become a race? Would you prefer a different term to describe Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against Muslims? Self hate when it comes to some characters. I have seen horrible statements made about Scientologists. Maybe we need a term for discrimination against Scientology too. If you like. Would you prefer a different term to describe Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against Muslims? Yes I would prefer a different term. The one can be used to describe antagonism against people following a specific ideology. The term should be used for antagonism against Islam, Christianity, Atheism, Scientology, Capitalism and Socialism too. Fair enough. Is there such a term? I don't know of any. Let me know if you find one. But racism is not the right word to use in this context. I'm not looking for another term. You're the one who wants an alternative. See your comment above. I am saying racism is the wrong term. There not being another term isn't a justification to use a term as serious as racism in the wrong context I'm comfortable with your point of view, and comfortable if you choose to look for another term. It's not a top issue for me, so I won't be spending any time looking into an alternative. Accusing someone of racism has much serious implications. So using the term in wrong context is just wrong. Would you be happy if someone calls you a racist whenever you complain about christians, Scientologists or capitalists? I don't complain about Christian, Scientologists or capitalists. If I did it would be about something specific, or about a specific person. If I was making negative generalisations about all Christians, Scientologists, or capitalists. Then I wouldn't really care which word was being used to describe my bigotry. So you never have a generic view about people following any ideology? How about conservatism? Or fascism? That's a good question. I have no generic view of religious people, regardless of which religion they follow. For a fascist, I have no interest in their perspectives. So I don't have a generic view. For Conservatism. It has so many different variations. It's not something I could have a generic view on. The key is to judge people as individuals, based on their actions and the things they say, not whatever pigeon hole they, or someone else puts them in. Cool, I will keep that in mind and remind you when you make statements about Christians, socialists, atheists, conservatives, fascists and far right wingers. Sure. Crack on. Whatever floats your boat. They are all willfully following an ideology at the end of the day and according to you, it's wrong to criticise them for following an ideology. You seem to have made a lot of baseless assumptions about me, and no longer seem to be talking about anything relevant to the conversation. I will probably call you a racist if you do so. Whatever does it for you.
What's so baseless and wrong about it?
You said "according to you, it's wrong to criticise them for following an ideology". Which is not at all the point I was making at any stage.
And how is it irrelevant to the conversation?
Because you're trying to make this about me instead of the topic which I replied to you about.
My original point was about the difference between race and religion. You said that it's wrong to make generalised statements about someone for following a religion.
I didn't say it was wrong. I said i don't do it in the examples you gave. And for extra clarity I said.
"The key is to judge people as individuals, based on their actions and the things they say, not whatever pigeon hole they, or someone else puts them in."
I was curious about where you draw the line on this condition because religions are ideologies at the end of the day and the same could be said about capitalism or fascism too.
I don't draw the line, I'm not interested in judging people by whatever pigeon hole they, or someone else puts them in.
Hell I could start a religion tomorrow which preaches that the way to reach heaven is to beat the crap out of your neighbours. Going by your argument, anyone criticising all followers of my new religion will also be a racist. You see the problem with your argument?
You could start a religion like that. The rest of this is a load of nonsense that you made up about me, then seem to have got angry about.
Your last response above here: I don’t see a personal attack made up by _ostindreams,
Me neither.
it was a hypothetical that questioned the logic you have applied to your arguments.
Nope, it was a bunch of assumptions about me.
Can you see this or not?
Nope.
Thanks for your contribution.
Your responses are erratic again.
Any comments on the subject matter, or just trying to for some reason make this about me?
That is incorrect, it is you making it about you.
I've repeatedly tried to steer the conversation away from me and back to the topic.
You can answer a question or you can ignore, it is very poor form to keep deferring to accusations of personal attack when you don’t like the question.
I don't know what question you think I haven't answered. I've attempted to answer all the questions the other chap asked.
No one has talked about personal attacks here except you. As a part of your bizarre attempt to make this about me.
If you don’t understand the question, ask for more information,
I always ask for more information when you ask unrelated questions. This rarely ever gets me anywhere, so I stopped.
if you don’t agree with the question / position challenge it.
How can I not agree with a question?
The question I have to get this on track, how can religion become racist?
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"Curious, when did Islam become a race? Would you prefer a different term to describe Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against Muslims? Self hate when it comes to some characters. I have seen horrible statements made about Scientologists. Maybe we need a term for discrimination against Scientology too. If you like. Would you prefer a different term to describe Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against Muslims? Yes I would prefer a different term. The one can be used to describe antagonism against people following a specific ideology. The term should be used for antagonism against Islam, Christianity, Atheism, Scientology, Capitalism and Socialism too. Fair enough. Is there such a term? I don't know of any. Let me know if you find one. But racism is not the right word to use in this context. I'm not looking for another term. You're the one who wants an alternative. See your comment above. I am saying racism is the wrong term. There not being another term isn't a justification to use a term as serious as racism in the wrong context I'm comfortable with your point of view, and comfortable if you choose to look for another term. It's not a top issue for me, so I won't be spending any time looking into an alternative. Accusing someone of racism has much serious implications. So using the term in wrong context is just wrong. Would you be happy if someone calls you a racist whenever you complain about christians, Scientologists or capitalists? I don't complain about Christian, Scientologists or capitalists. If I did it would be about something specific, or about a specific person. If I was making negative generalisations about all Christians, Scientologists, or capitalists. Then I wouldn't really care which word was being used to describe my bigotry. So you never have a generic view about people following any ideology? How about conservatism? Or fascism? That's a good question. I have no generic view of religious people, regardless of which religion they follow. For a fascist, I have no interest in their perspectives. So I don't have a generic view. For Conservatism. It has so many different variations. It's not something I could have a generic view on. The key is to judge people as individuals, based on their actions and the things they say, not whatever pigeon hole they, or someone else puts them in. Cool, I will keep that in mind and remind you when you make statements about Christians, socialists, atheists, conservatives, fascists and far right wingers. Sure. Crack on. Whatever floats your boat. They are all willfully following an ideology at the end of the day and according to you, it's wrong to criticise them for following an ideology. You seem to have made a lot of baseless assumptions about me, and no longer seem to be talking about anything relevant to the conversation. I will probably call you a racist if you do so. Whatever does it for you.
What's so baseless and wrong about it?
You said "according to you, it's wrong to criticise them for following an ideology". Which is not at all the point I was making at any stage.
And how is it irrelevant to the conversation?
Because you're trying to make this about me instead of the topic which I replied to you about.
My original point was about the difference between race and religion. You said that it's wrong to make generalised statements about someone for following a religion.
I didn't say it was wrong. I said i don't do it in the examples you gave. And for extra clarity I said.
"The key is to judge people as individuals, based on their actions and the things they say, not whatever pigeon hole they, or someone else puts them in."
I was curious about where you draw the line on this condition because religions are ideologies at the end of the day and the same could be said about capitalism or fascism too.
I don't draw the line, I'm not interested in judging people by whatever pigeon hole they, or someone else puts them in.
Hell I could start a religion tomorrow which preaches that the way to reach heaven is to beat the crap out of your neighbours. Going by your argument, anyone criticising all followers of my new religion will also be a racist. You see the problem with your argument?
You could start a religion like that. The rest of this is a load of nonsense that you made up about me, then seem to have got angry about.
Your last response above here: I don’t see a personal attack made up by _ostindreams,
Me neither.
it was a hypothetical that questioned the logic you have applied to your arguments.
Nope, it was a bunch of assumptions about me.
Can you see this or not?
Nope.
Thanks for your contribution.
Your responses are erratic again.
Any comments on the subject matter, or just trying to for some reason make this about me?
That is incorrect, it is you making it about you.
I've repeatedly tried to steer the conversation away from me and back to the topic.
You can answer a question or you can ignore, it is very poor form to keep deferring to accusations of personal attack when you don’t like the question.
I don't know what question you think I haven't answered. I've attempted to answer all the questions the other chap asked.
No one has talked about personal attacks here except you. As a part of your bizarre attempt to make this about me.
If you don’t understand the question, ask for more information,
I always ask for more information when you ask unrelated questions. This rarely ever gets me anywhere, so I stopped.
if you don’t agree with the question / position challenge it.
How can I not agree with a question?
The question I have to get this on track, how can religion become racist?
I don't know. Are you going to tell me?
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" A religion isn't the same as the type of ideologies you gave as examples to me. " Why is religion different? Just because there is a God factor in it? That's why I asked if I create a new religion which is just Nazism branded with a God and a promise of heaven, would you treat that on par with other religions? " I honestly don't think you'll be able to persuade me to be prejudice against groups of people based on arbitrary groups. " Do those arbitrary groups include Nazis and fascists too is my question. Do you have an answer and justification for it? " If someone believes in the nazi ideology. But is kind to people, doesn't actively discriminate against people. Then I judge them on their actions and the things they say. I can't, and don't want to control they way they think. " So if someone meeting you for the first time says he believes in Nazism but you know nothing else about this person's life and his actions, you wouldn't judge him. That's what I said few posts back and you accused me for misunderstanding you. | |||
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" A religion isn't the same as the type of ideologies you gave as examples to me. Why is religion different? Just because there is a God factor in it? That's why I asked if I create a new religion which is just Nazism branded with a God and a promise of heaven, would you treat that on par with other religions? " Religions are multi-faceted, mean lots of things to lots of different people. Being a nazi is more specific. Nothing to do with a god. " I honestly don't think you'll be able to persuade me to be prejudice against groups of people based on arbitrary groups. Do those arbitrary groups include Nazis and fascists too is my question. Do you have an answer and justification for it? " As above. " If someone believes in the nazi ideology. But is kind to people, doesn't actively discriminate against people. Then I judge them on their actions and the things they say. I can't, and don't want to control they way they think. So if someone meeting you for the first time says he believes in Nazism but you know nothing else about this person's life and his actions, you wouldn't judge him. That's what I said few posts back and you accused me for misunderstanding you. " In which case then we agree. Judge people on their actions, the things they say. Not their religion? | |||
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" A religion isn't the same as the type of ideologies you gave as examples to me. Why is religion different? Just because there is a God factor in it? That's why I asked if I create a new religion which is just Nazism branded with a God and a promise of heaven, would you treat that on par with other religions? Religions are multi-faceted, mean lots of things to lots of different people. Being a nazi is more specific. Nothing to do with a god. " Nazism is muti-faceted too. It's not just about killing the jews. I could also create a multi-faceted religion with lots of terrible ideas and a couple of innocent sounding ideas. " If someone believes in the nazi ideology. But is kind to people, doesn't actively discriminate against people. Then I judge them on their actions and the things they say. I can't, and don't want to control they way they think. So if someone meeting you for the first time says he believes in Nazism but you know nothing else about this person's life and his actions, you wouldn't judge him. That's what I said few posts back and you accused me for misunderstanding you. In which case then we agree. Judge people on their actions, the things they say. Not their religion?" Not just their religion. Any kind of ideology they follow. | |||
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" A religion isn't the same as the type of ideologies you gave as examples to me. Why is religion different? Just because there is a God factor in it? That's why I asked if I create a new religion which is just Nazism branded with a God and a promise of heaven, would you treat that on par with other religions? Religions are multi-faceted, mean lots of things to lots of different people. Being a nazi is more specific. Nothing to do with a god. Nazism is muti-faceted too. It's not just about killing the jews. I could also create a multi-faceted religion with lots of terrible ideas and a couple of innocent sounding ideas. " Work away. And I would argue it's fair to judge you by your actions. " If someone believes in the nazi ideology. But is kind to people, doesn't actively discriminate against people. Then I judge them on their actions and the things they say. I can't, and don't want to control they way they think. So if someone meeting you for the first time says he believes in Nazism but you know nothing else about this person's life and his actions, you wouldn't judge him. That's what I said few posts back and you accused me for misunderstanding you. In which case then we agree. Judge people on their actions, the things they say. Not their religion? Not just their religion. Any kind of ideology they follow." Then here we are. We have an understanding of our differences.
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" A religion isn't the same as the type of ideologies you gave as examples to me. Why is religion different? Just because there is a God factor in it? That's why I asked if I create a new religion which is just Nazism branded with a God and a promise of heaven, would you treat that on par with other religions? Religions are multi-faceted, mean lots of things to lots of different people. Being a nazi is more specific. Nothing to do with a god. Nazism is muti-faceted too. It's not just about killing the jews. I could also create a multi-faceted religion with lots of terrible ideas and a couple of innocent sounding ideas. Work away. And I would argue it's fair to judge you by your actions. If someone believes in the nazi ideology. But is kind to people, doesn't actively discriminate against people. Then I judge them on their actions and the things they say. I can't, and don't want to control they way they think. So if someone meeting you for the first time says he believes in Nazism but you know nothing else about this person's life and his actions, you wouldn't judge him. That's what I said few posts back and you accused me for misunderstanding you. In which case then we agree. Judge people on their actions, the things they say. Not their religion? Not just their religion. Any kind of ideology they follow. Then here we are. We have an understanding of our differences.
We got there in the end.
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"Will Reform get their first MP? For a few months, at least. Reform, where Conservatives can be racist out loud. You racism is a hate crime, so if you have evidence that shows the Reform party are racist or an MP is, report it, or show me and I will. What/who do you think Anderson meant when he referred to ‘The Islamists?’ As far as I’m aware it’s a term with no actual definition - though it’s generally used as a slur. " Islamist is a term generally used to describe extremists,in other words terrorists,hate preachers or those who support or promote them.It has been used by politicians of all colours all round the world as well as by Muslims to differentiate themselves (moderate) from extremism.Its not a racist term.Islam is a religion not a race.In the hands of extremists and apologists it is a religion that tolerates nothing other than their view and ideology.In the words of Hamas and their comrades "first we come for the Saturday people,then we come for the Sunday people".Anti semitism is racism as it can encompass an origin as well as faith.The Saturday marches have made London a no go area for Jewish people,for months Jewish people have been hiding dress or symbolism that identifies them,children are afraid to go to school.That is the consequences of racism but no one is calling it out.Interesting that no one is protesting outside the Chinese embassy or going to China to protest about the treatment of Huighur Muslims.Nor have there been any muslim terrorist attacks against China.Because the Chinese aren't a soft touch like we are. | |||
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"Will Reform get their first MP? For a few months, at least. Reform, where Conservatives can be racist out loud.. A sad reflection on the society that we live in . Lee Anderson is a hard working MP who reflects the interests of his constituents. He represents the voice of common sense and has a long term vision of future problems that we are likely to incur . There is nothing racist about identifying problems with housing and associated problems. He has a long term vision and is to be admired. " --------------------- Interesting...Anderson is also 57 years old  | |||
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"Will Reform get their first MP? For a few months, at least. Reform, where Conservatives can be racist out loud. You racism is a hate crime, so if you have evidence that shows the Reform party are racist or an MP is, report it, or show me and I will. What/who do you think Anderson meant when he referred to ‘The Islamists?’ As far as I’m aware it’s a term with no actual definition - though it’s generally used as a slur. Islamist is a term generally used to describe extremists,in other words terrorists,hate preachers or those who support or promote them.It has been used by politicians of all colours all round the world as well as by Muslims to differentiate themselves (moderate) from extremism.Its not a racist term.Islam is a religion not a race.In the hands of extremists and apologists it is a religion that tolerates nothing other than their view and ideology.In the words of Hamas and their comrades "first we come for the Saturday people,then we come for the Sunday people".Anti semitism is racism as it can encompass an origin as well as faith.The Saturday marches have made London a no go area for Jewish people,for months Jewish people have been hiding dress or symbolism that identifies them,children are afraid to go to school.That is the consequences of racism but no one is calling it out.Interesting that no one is protesting outside the Chinese embassy or going to China to protest about the treatment of Huighur Muslims.Nor have there been any muslim terrorist attacks against China.Because the Chinese aren't a soft touch like we are." --------------------------- And assuming any of that is true it's quite obvious they're not in control of London or Khan is one of their number. Islamist seems to be a derisive term used to describe any Muslim who says something racists don't like. | |||
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"Will Reform get their first MP? For a few months, at least. Reform, where Conservatives can be racist out loud. You racism is a hate crime, so if you have evidence that shows the Reform party are racist or an MP is, report it, or show me and I will. What/who do you think Anderson meant when he referred to ‘The Islamists?’ As far as I’m aware it’s a term with no actual definition - though it’s generally used as a slur. Islamist is a term generally used to describe extremists,in other words terrorists,hate preachers or those who support or promote them.It has been used by politicians of all colours all round the world as well as by Muslims to differentiate themselves (moderate) from extremism.Its not a racist term.Islam is a religion not a race.In the hands of extremists and apologists it is a religion that tolerates nothing other than their view and ideology.In the words of Hamas and their comrades "first we come for the Saturday people,then we come for the Sunday people".Anti semitism is racism as it can encompass an origin as well as faith.The Saturday marches have made London a no go area for Jewish people,for months Jewish people have been hiding dress or symbolism that identifies them,children are afraid to go to school.That is the consequences of racism but no one is calling it out.Interesting that no one is protesting outside the Chinese embassy or going to China to protest about the treatment of Huighur Muslims.Nor have there been any muslim terrorist attacks against China.Because the Chinese aren't a soft touch like we are. --------------------------- And assuming any of that is true it's quite obvious they're not in control of London or Khan is one of their number. Islamist seems to be a derisive term used to describe any Muslim who says something racists don't like." Since when has Islam been a race, so anyone who disagrees with a Muslim for saying something they are racist, oh and uncle tom is a derogatory slur used by muslim islamists against moderate muslims they dont like. | |||
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"English MP , Anderson , refused to back his own England football team during The Euros" Is it required that all English men must actively support football? | |||
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"English MP , Anderson , refused to back his own England football team during The Euros Is it required that all English men must actively support football?" No , of course not , but Anderson was a supporter of the England football team referring to them as his beloved England team He stopped supporting / watching them for the first time in his life when they took a stand against racism | |||
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"English MP , Anderson , refused to back his own England football team during The Euros Is it required that all English men must actively support football? No , of course not , but Anderson was a supporter of the England football team referring to them as his beloved England team He stopped supporting / watching them for the first time in his life when they took a stand against racism " England Football didn't take a stand against racism. They adopted taking the knee because they bowed to pressure. The knee is/was associated with BLM, an organisation who the majority of people felt increased racial tensions. | |||
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" Since when has Islam been a race, so anyone who disagrees with a Muslim for saying something they are racist, oh and uncle tom is a derogatory slur used by muslim islamists against moderate muslims they dont like. "I didn't describe Islam as a race, I was describing people who conflate Islamists with Muslims generally for divisive reasons, they're not usually people who have a love for their fellow man. | |||
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"English MP , Anderson , refused to back his own England football team during The Euros Is it required that all English men must actively support football? No , of course not , but Anderson was a supporter of the England football team referring to them as his beloved England team He stopped supporting / watching them for the first time in his life when they took a stand against racism England Football didn't take a stand against racism. They adopted taking the knee because they bowed to pressure. The knee is/was associated with BLM, an organisation who the majority of people felt increased racial tensions. " ------------------------ The majority of which people? | |||
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" Since when has Islam been a race, so anyone who disagrees with a Muslim for saying something they are racist, oh and uncle tom is a derogatory slur used by muslim islamists against moderate muslims they dont like.
I didn't describe Islam as a race, I was describing people who conflate Islamists with Muslims generally for divisive reasons, they're not usually people who have a love for their fellow man."You mean Islamist are not usually people who have a live for their fellow man or moderate muslim. | |||
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"English MP , Anderson , refused to back his own England football team during The Euros Is it required that all English men must actively support football? No , of course not , but Anderson was a supporter of the England football team referring to them as his beloved England team He stopped supporting / watching them for the first time in his life when they took a stand against racism England Football didn't take a stand against racism. They adopted taking the knee because they bowed to pressure. The knee is/was associated with BLM, an organisation who the majority of people felt increased racial tensions. " This thread appears to be if Lee Anderson is , or is not , racist When the England team took a stand against racism Lee Anderson decided to no longer watch his beloved England team It may have a bearing on Andersons' outlook on the issue | |||
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"English MP , Anderson , refused to back his own England football team during The Euros Is it required that all English men must actively support football? No , of course not , but Anderson was a supporter of the England football team referring to them as his beloved England team He stopped supporting / watching them for the first time in his life when they took a stand against racism England Football didn't take a stand against racism. They adopted taking the knee because they bowed to pressure. The knee is/was associated with BLM, an organisation who the majority of people felt increased racial tensions. ------------------------ The majority of which people? According to an opinium poll in 2020. " All polls are aimed at particular audience so the people who pay the polling company get the view they want.. Any references to a majority etc should also give the number polled.. You know that.. | |||
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" Since when has Islam been a race, so anyone who disagrees with a Muslim for saying something they are racist, oh and uncle tom is a derogatory slur used by muslim islamists against moderate muslims they dont like.
I didn't describe Islam as a race, I was describing people who conflate Islamists with Muslims generally for divisive reasons, they're not usually people who have a love for their fellow man.
You mean Islamist are not usually people who have a live for their fellow man or moderate muslim."------------------------- I don't doubt it but I'm not making erroneous claims regarding who makes up membership of this group. | |||
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"English MP , Anderson , refused to back his own England football team during The Euros Is it required that all English men must actively support football? No , of course not , but Anderson was a supporter of the England football team referring to them as his beloved England team He stopped supporting / watching them for the first time in his life when they took a stand against racism England Football didn't take a stand against racism. They adopted taking the knee because they bowed to pressure. The knee is/was associated with BLM, an organisation who the majority of people felt increased racial tensions. ------------------------ The majority of which people? According to an opinium poll in 2020. -------------------------------- Who was polled?" (a select poll of farage , mogg , anderson , Patel , Tommy Robinson , and truss ) | |||
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" All polls are aimed at particular audience so the people who pay the polling company get the view they want.. Any references to a majority etc should also give the number polled.. You know that.. "If you like polls around the subject, this one is fascinating (really). https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2017/08/09/muslims-and-islam-key-findings-in-the-u-s-and-around-the-world/ | |||
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" Since when has Islam been a race, so anyone who disagrees with a Muslim for saying something they are racist, oh and uncle tom is a derogatory slur used by muslim islamists against moderate muslims they dont like.
I didn't describe Islam as a race, I was describing people who conflate Islamists with Muslims generally for divisive reasons, they're not usually people who have a love for their fellow man.
You mean Islamist are not usually people who have a live for their fellow man or moderate muslim.
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"English MP , Anderson , refused to back his own England football team during The Euros Is it required that all English men must actively support football? No , of course not , but Anderson was a supporter of the England football team referring to them as his beloved England team He stopped supporting / watching them for the first time in his life when they took a stand against racism England Football didn't take a stand against racism. They adopted taking the knee because they bowed to pressure. The knee is/was associated with BLM, an organisation who the majority of people felt increased racial tensions. ------------------------ The majority of which people? According to an opinium poll in 2020. -------------------------------- Who was polled?" How would I know? I do know that BLM themselves used the poll. | |||
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"English MP , Anderson , refused to back his own England football team during The Euros Is it required that all English men must actively support football? No , of course not , but Anderson was a supporter of the England football team referring to them as his beloved England team He stopped supporting / watching them for the first time in his life when they took a stand against racism England Football didn't take a stand against racism. They adopted taking the knee because they bowed to pressure. The knee is/was associated with BLM, an organisation who the majority of people felt increased racial tensions. ------------------------ The majority of which people? According to an opinium poll in 2020. All polls are aimed at particular audience so the people who pay the polling company get the view they want.. Any references to a majority etc should also give the number polled.. You know that.. "45% of BAME polled believed the same | |||
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"English MP , Anderson , refused to back his own England football team during The Euros Is it required that all English men must actively support football? No , of course not , but Anderson was a supporter of the England football team referring to them as his beloved England team He stopped supporting / watching them for the first time in his life when they took a stand against racism England Football didn't take a stand against racism. They adopted taking the knee because they bowed to pressure. The knee is/was associated with BLM, an organisation who the majority of people felt increased racial tensions. This thread appears to be if Lee Anderson is , or is not , racist When the England team took a stand against racism Lee Anderson decided to no longer watch his beloved England team It may have a bearing on Andersons' outlook on the issue The thread was not about whether Lee Anderson was racist or not. I know, I started the thread "So you did (sorry) Andersons views racist or otherwise still interesting though whether he joins Reform or sticks with the tories Either way COME ON ENGLAND (in every game) | |||
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"English MP , Anderson , refused to back his own England football team during The Euros Is it required that all English men must actively support football? No , of course not , but Anderson was a supporter of the England football team referring to them as his beloved England team He stopped supporting / watching them for the first time in his life when they took a stand against racism England Football didn't take a stand against racism. They adopted taking the knee because they bowed to pressure. The knee is/was associated with BLM, an organisation who the majority of people felt increased racial tensions. This thread appears to be if Lee Anderson is , or is not , racist When the England team took a stand against racism Lee Anderson decided to no longer watch his beloved England team It may have a bearing on Andersons' outlook on the issue The thread was not about whether Lee Anderson was racist or not. I know, I started the thread
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Andersons views racist or otherwise still interesting though whether he joins Reform or sticks with the tories
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"English MP , Anderson , refused to back his own England football team during The Euros" "Is it required that all English men must actively support football?" "No , of course not , but Anderson was a supporter of the England football team referring to them as his beloved England team He stopped supporting / watching them for the first time in his life when they took a stand against racism " English football took a stand against racism in 1997 when they adopted the "Kick it Out" campaign. There have been several drives to remove racism from the game since then, none of which Lee Anderson seemed to have a problem with. He only said something when the England team decided to 'take the knee'. That would suggest to me that he has a problem with that particular gesture, not with anti-racism in general. | |||
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"The Saturday marches have made London a no go area for Jewish people, I love it when people from not-London make this claim. It allows me to then ask them when they were last in the city, and how much time they spend there regularly. I love it when someone not from London makes a challenge to someone else not from London because they believe they know better about a city neither are from "As someone who use to be from London going from parliament square to hyde park isn’t that busy at the weekend anyway because it’s routed south of where the main shopping areas are…. It’s just basically the outer side of green park… so unless you are a swan.. it’s fine! | |||
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"‘Show the exact statement where he was being racist’ is very ‘Can you prove Hitler actually killed any Jews?’ I do wonder how people who only deal in literal absolutes make it through the day." It's called innocent until proven guilty. Doing it any other way is basically witch-hunt. | |||
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"The Saturday marches have made London a no go area for Jewish people, I love it when people from not-London make this claim. It allows me to then ask them when they were last in the city, and how much time they spend there regularly. I love it when someone not from London makes a challenge to someone else not from London because they believe they know better about a city neither are from "I’m in London at least 5-6 days a week though, working and socialising
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"English MP , Anderson , refused to back his own England football team during The Euros Is it required that all English men must actively support football? No , of course not , but Anderson was a supporter of the England football team referring to them as his beloved England team He stopped supporting / watching them for the first time in his life when they took a stand against racism English football took a stand against racism in 1997 when they adopted the "Kick it Out" campaign. There have been several drives to remove racism from the game since then, none of which Lee Anderson seemed to have a problem with. He only said something when the England team decided to 'take the knee'. That would suggest to me that he has a problem with that particular gesture, not with anti-racism in general." He’s only been a high profile politician since 2019 though, so how would anyone know his thoughts on previous anti racism schemes? | |||
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"‘Show the exact statement where he was being racist’ is very ‘Can you prove Hitler actually killed any Jews?’ I do wonder how people who only deal in literal absolutes make it through the day." You started the whole racist part of the thread with a throw away comment, and you still you have not provided one single piece of evidence of racism and the reform party. having read and being part of the thread I don't believe a lot of people actually know what racism or Islamist are, which is such a huge irony considering the majority of the people in this thread confusing challenges or questions about islamist as racism, took part on 4 threads with a poster destroying their islamist views and beliefs. | |||
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