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I fail to understand why Israel, or anyone else for that matter, would entertain a deal with terrorists that includes the exchange of HOSTAGES for CRIMINALS... nevermind the 145 days that would allow for the re-arming of terrorist forces |
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By (user no longer on site) 51 weeks ago
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"I fail to understand why Israel, or anyone else for that matter, would entertain a deal with terrorists that includes the exchange of HOSTAGES for CRIMINALS... nevermind the 145 days that would allow for the re-arming of terrorist forces "
Because ceasefire is a good thing? |
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"I fail to understand why Israel, or anyone else for that matter, would entertain a deal with terrorists that includes the exchange of HOSTAGES for CRIMINALS... nevermind the 145 days that would allow for the re-arming of terrorist forces
Because ceasefire is a good thing? "
And it's ok to take hostages to achieve that which you have caused? |
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By (user no longer on site) 51 weeks ago
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"I fail to understand why Israel, or anyone else for that matter, would entertain a deal with terrorists that includes the exchange of HOSTAGES for CRIMINALS... nevermind the 145 days that would allow for the re-arming of terrorist forces
Because ceasefire is a good thing?
And it's ok to take hostages to achieve that which you have caused?"
I don’t believe I said anything of the sort.
All wars end with ceasefire and talks. Ceasefire is good. |
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"I fail to understand why Israel, or anyone else for that matter, would entertain a deal with terrorists that includes the exchange of HOSTAGES for CRIMINALS... nevermind the 145 days that would allow for the re-arming of terrorist forces
Because ceasefire is a good thing?
And it's ok to take hostages to achieve that which you have caused?
I don’t believe I said anything of the sort.
All wars end with ceasefire and talks. Ceasefire is good. "
This is a temporary ceasefire |
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By (user no longer on site) 51 weeks ago
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"I fail to understand why Israel, or anyone else for that matter, would entertain a deal with terrorists that includes the exchange of HOSTAGES for CRIMINALS... nevermind the 145 days that would allow for the re-arming of terrorist forces
Because ceasefire is a good thing?
And it's ok to take hostages to achieve that which you have caused?
I don’t believe I said anything of the sort.
All wars end with ceasefire and talks. Ceasefire is good.
This is a temporary ceasefire "
Which is better than no ceasefire, don’t you agree? |
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"I fail to understand why Israel, or anyone else for that matter, would entertain a deal with terrorists that includes the exchange of HOSTAGES for CRIMINALS... nevermind the 145 days that would allow for the re-arming of terrorist forces
Because ceasefire is a good thing?
And it's ok to take hostages to achieve that which you have caused?
I don’t believe I said anything of the sort.
All wars end with ceasefire and talks. Ceasefire is good.
This is a temporary ceasefire
Which is better than no ceasefire, don’t you agree?"
I'll agree but should Israel agree to the release of prisoners in order to get the ceasefire?
I think this was the point the OP was making, Hamas have offered unrealistic terms knowing it'll be turned down and then they can say 'we tried'. |
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"I fail to understand why Israel, or anyone else for that matter, would entertain a deal with terrorists that includes the exchange of HOSTAGES for CRIMINALS... nevermind the 145 days that would allow for the re-arming of terrorist forces
Because ceasefire is a good thing?
And it's ok to take hostages to achieve that which you have caused?
I don’t believe I said anything of the sort.
All wars end with ceasefire and talks. Ceasefire is good.
This is a temporary ceasefire
Which is better than no ceasefire, don’t you agree?
I'll agree but should Israel agree to the release of prisoners in order to get the ceasefire?
I think this was the point the OP was making, Hamas have offered unrealistic terms knowing it'll be turned down and then they can say 'we tried'."
I don't agree as I think all this does is allow 145 days for rearming and then the terrorist attacks restart soon after |
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Hamas have set terms which they know won't be accepted by Netanyahu, which is probably what Iran also knew when they were drawn up..
Hamas/Iran also know in an election year for POTUS there's pressure on Biden who has both pledged military support to Israel and is in disagreement with Netanyahu and the hard liners in the Knesset over the future of Gaza) Palestinians..
And Netanyahu is more and more in a position where he is losing support and the longer it drags on with the hostages still not freed that more division grows..
And as more innocent Palestinians are killed and maimed the attacks continue on ships and the threat from Hezbollah grows..
Tbh anyone who can negotiate anything acceptable to all sides deserves the Nobel peace prize, if it works..
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"Hamas have set terms which they know won't be accepted by Netanyahu, which is probably what Iran also knew when they were drawn up..
Hamas/Iran also know in an election year for POTUS there's pressure on Biden who has both pledged military support to Israel and is in disagreement with Netanyahu and the hard liners in the Knesset over the future of Gaza) Palestinians..
And Netanyahu is more and more in a position where he is losing support and the longer it drags on with the hostages still not freed that more division grows..
And as more innocent Palestinians are killed and maimed the attacks continue on ships and the threat from Hezbollah grows..
Tbh anyone who can negotiate anything acceptable to all sides deserves the Nobel peace prize, if it works..
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That's all well and good but a peace prize should never be perched on the back of the crapper in a cell. See were I went with that.  |
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"Hamas have set terms which they know won't be accepted by Netanyahu, which is probably what Iran also knew when they were drawn up..
Hamas/Iran also know in an election year for POTUS there's pressure on Biden who has both pledged military support to Israel and is in disagreement with Netanyahu and the hard liners in the Knesset over the future of Gaza) Palestinians..
And Netanyahu is more and more in a position where he is losing support and the longer it drags on with the hostages still not freed that more division grows..
And as more innocent Palestinians are killed and maimed the attacks continue on ships and the threat from Hezbollah grows..
Tbh anyone who can negotiate anything acceptable to all sides deserves the Nobel peace prize, if it works..
That's all well and good but a peace prize should never be perched on the back of the crapper in a cell. See were I went with that. "
It sort of epitomises the whole ongoing shit show that the region has been for many decades..
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"I fail to understand why Israel, or anyone else for that matter, would entertain a deal with terrorists that includes the exchange of HOSTAGES for CRIMINALS... nevermind the 145 days that would allow for the re-arming of terrorist forces "
Tell that to the families of the hostages.. if you dare |
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"I fail to understand why Israel, or anyone else for that matter, would entertain a deal with terrorists that includes the exchange of HOSTAGES for CRIMINALS... nevermind the 145 days that would allow for the re-arming of terrorist forces "
Read about how peace was achieved with n Northern Ireland. That will help you understand. |
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By *lfasoCouple 51 weeks ago
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"I fail to understand why Israel, or anyone else for that matter, would entertain a deal with terrorists that includes the exchange of HOSTAGES for CRIMINALS... nevermind the 145 days that would allow for the re-arming of terrorist forces
Because ceasefire is a good thing?
And it's ok to take hostages to achieve that which you have caused?
I don’t believe I said anything of the sort.
All wars end with ceasefire and talks. Ceasefire is good.
This is a temporary ceasefire
Which is better than no ceasefire, don’t you agree?"
The situation prior to October 7 was much less destructive definitely. |
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"I fail to understand why Israel, or anyone else for that matter, would entertain a deal with terrorists that includes the exchange of HOSTAGES for CRIMINALS... nevermind the 145 days that would allow for the re-arming of terrorist forces "
Your moral campus is indicating south |
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By *hrimper36Couple 50 weeks ago
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"I fail to understand why Israel, or anyone else for that matter, would entertain a deal with terrorists that includes the exchange of HOSTAGES for CRIMINALS... nevermind the 145 days that would allow for the re-arming of terrorist forces
Your moral campus is indicating south"
I do love an entertaining typo.
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"I fail to understand why Israel, or anyone else for that matter, would entertain a deal with terrorists that includes the exchange of HOSTAGES for CRIMINALS... nevermind the 145 days that would allow for the re-arming of terrorist forces
Your moral campus is indicating south
I do love an entertaining typo.
T"
Maybe it isn't a typo and the poster is hankering for their days as a student |
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"I fail to understand why Israel, or anyone else for that matter, would entertain a deal with terrorists that includes the exchange of HOSTAGES for CRIMINALS... nevermind the 145 days that would allow for the re-arming of terrorist forces
Your moral campus is indicating south
I do love an entertaining typo.
T
Maybe it isn't a typo and the poster is hankering for their days as a student "
A students who makes typos is a way better human being than a racist genocide supporter who thinks Palestinian lives don't m |
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"I fail to understand why Israel, or anyone else for that matter, would entertain a deal with terrorists that includes the exchange of HOSTAGES for CRIMINALS... nevermind the 145 days that would allow for the re-arming of terrorist forces
Your moral campus is indicating south
I do love an entertaining typo.
T
Maybe it isn't a typo and the poster is hankering for their days as a student
A students who makes typos is a way better human being than a racist genocide supporter who thinks Palestinian lives don't m"
A students make fewer typos, usually? |
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"I fail to understand why Israel, or anyone else for that matter, would entertain a deal with terrorists that includes the exchange of HOSTAGES for CRIMINALS... nevermind the 145 days that would allow for the re-arming of terrorist forces
Your moral campus is indicating south
I do love an entertaining typo.
T
Maybe it isn't a typo and the poster is hankering for their days as a student
A students who makes typos is a way better human being than a racist genocide supporter who thinks Palestinian lives don't m
A students make fewer typos, usually?"
True
Plus their lower level of inner hatred and acceptance of alternative viewpoints is usually more akin to a great debater rather than people who consider themselves masters |
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"I fail to understand why Israel, or anyone else for that matter, would entertain a deal with terrorists that includes the exchange of HOSTAGES for CRIMINALS... nevermind the 145 days that would allow for the re-arming of terrorist forces
Your moral campus is indicating south
I do love an entertaining typo.
T
Maybe it isn't a typo and the poster is hankering for their days as a student
A students who makes typos is a way better human being than a racist genocide supporter who thinks Palestinian lives don't m"
Surely all innocent lives matter..? |
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By (user no longer on site) 50 weeks ago
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"I fail to understand why Israel, or anyone else for that matter, would entertain a deal with terrorists that includes the exchange of HOSTAGES for CRIMINALS... nevermind the 145 days that would allow for the re-arming of terrorist forces "
Is it right to keep a person in prison without trial for months or years on end? It happens more often than you think, even in the UK, and Israel absolutely is far worse than here for it. |
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"I fail to understand why Israel, or anyone else for that matter, would entertain a deal with terrorists that includes the exchange of HOSTAGES for CRIMINALS... nevermind the 145 days that would allow for the re-arming of terrorist forces
Is it right to keep a person in prison without trial for months or years on end? It happens more often than you think, even in the UK, and Israel absolutely is far worse than here for it."
Valid point, there was a report that when the first hostage exchange took place and Israel let out x amount of Palestinians that the number released was equal to those they had locked up under 'administrative detention' since the 7th Oct.. |
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"I fail to understand why Israel, or anyone else for that matter, would entertain a deal with terrorists that includes the exchange of HOSTAGES for CRIMINALS... nevermind the 145 days that would allow for the re-arming of terrorist forces
Is it right to keep a person in prison without trial for months or years on end? It happens more often than you think, even in the UK, and Israel absolutely is far worse than here for it.
Valid point, there was a report that when the first hostage exchange took place and Israel let out x amount of Palestinians that the number released was equal to those they had locked up under 'administrative detention' since the 7th Oct.."
We're talking about a terrorist organisation here |
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"I fail to understand why Israel, or anyone else for that matter, would entertain a deal with terrorists that includes the exchange of HOSTAGES for CRIMINALS... nevermind the 145 days that would allow for the re-arming of terrorist forces
Is it right to keep a person in prison without trial for months or years on end? It happens more often than you think, even in the UK, and Israel absolutely is far worse than here for it.
Valid point, there was a report that when the first hostage exchange took place and Israel let out x amount of Palestinians that the number released was equal to those they had locked up under 'administrative detention' since the 7th Oct..
We're talking about a terrorist organisation here "
Of which not all Palestinians are members..
Administrative detention was tried by us in NI in 71, even though it was based on intelligence and aimed at known members of the IRA it still picked up people who were not terrorists and was one of the biggest recruitment campaigns for them.. |
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"It may be unpalatable to sit round a table with terrorists, but that’s ultimately where it has to end. It’s no use pretending otherwise. "
100% this.
Most of what we hear is theatrical posing, too. The "leaks" we get about any discussions, deals, etc. are all leaked for a reason. Likewise with political rhetoric from all sides. |
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"It may be unpalatable to sit round a table with terrorists, but that’s ultimately where it has to end. It’s no use pretending otherwise. "
Thatcher knew that and the talks started under her eventually led to the GFA.. |
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"I fail to understand why Israel, or anyone else for that matter, would entertain a deal with terrorists that includes the exchange of HOSTAGES for CRIMINALS... nevermind the 145 days that would allow for the re-arming of terrorist forces
Is it right to keep a person in prison without trial for months or years on end? It happens more often than you think, even in the UK, and Israel absolutely is far worse than here for it.
Valid point, there was a report that when the first hostage exchange took place and Israel let out x amount of Palestinians that the number released was equal to those they had locked up under 'administrative detention' since the 7th Oct..
We're talking about a terrorist organisation here "
You mean Israel? |
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By *otMe66Man 49 weeks ago
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"I fail to understand why Israel, or anyone else for that matter, would entertain a deal with terrorists that includes the exchange of HOSTAGES for CRIMINALS... nevermind the 145 days that would allow for the re-arming of terrorist forces
Is it right to keep a person in prison without trial for months or years on end? It happens more often than you think, even in the UK, and Israel absolutely is far worse than here for it.
Valid point, there was a report that when the first hostage exchange took place and Israel let out x amount of Palestinians that the number released was equal to those they had locked up under 'administrative detention' since the 7th Oct..
We're talking about a terrorist organisation here
You mean Israel?"
Your comments and the way you conduct a continuous attack on Jewish people, should be used to promote better understandings of how NOT to communicate or negotiate.
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"I fail to understand why Israel, or anyone else for that matter, would entertain a deal with terrorists that includes the exchange of HOSTAGES for CRIMINALS... nevermind the 145 days that would allow for the re-arming of terrorist forces
Is it right to keep a person in prison without trial for months or years on end? It happens more often than you think, even in the UK, and Israel absolutely is far worse than here for it.
Valid point, there was a report that when the first hostage exchange took place and Israel let out x amount of Palestinians that the number released was equal to those they had locked up under 'administrative detention' since the 7th Oct..
We're talking about a terrorist organisation here
You mean Israel?
Your comments and the way you conduct a continuous attack on Jewish people, should be used to promote better understandings of how NOT to communicate or negotiate.
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Facts that offend you are still facts.
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"I fail to understand why Israel, or anyone else for that matter, would entertain a deal with terrorists that includes the exchange of HOSTAGES for CRIMINALS... nevermind the 145 days that would allow for the re-arming of terrorist forces
Is it right to keep a person in prison without trial for months or years on end? It happens more often than you think, even in the UK, and Israel absolutely is far worse than here for it.
Valid point, there was a report that when the first hostage exchange took place and Israel let out x amount of Palestinians that the number released was equal to those they had locked up under 'administrative detention' since the 7th Oct..
We're talking about a terrorist organisation here
You mean Israel?
Your comments and the way you conduct a continuous attack on Jewish people, should be used to promote better understandings of how NOT to communicate or negotiate.
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So you negotiate on the basis that the side who invide, take your home, Murder your children on a daily basis for 75 years and build their ideology on ethnically cleansing an entire nation, commits a genocide and brags about it is the victim good guys. And the side being at the receiving end are terrorists.
Once you establish that, you negotiate right? According to you that's how one can negotiate properly. Or else you accuse them of being "Jew haters"
You're such a Muslim lover. |
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So you negotiate on the basis that the side who invide, take your home, Murder your children on a daily basis for 75 years and build their ideology on ethnically cleansing an entire nation, commits a genocide and brags about it is the victim good guys. And the side being at the receiving end are terrorists.
Once you establish that, you negotiate right? According to you that's how one can negotiate properly. Or else you accuse them of being "Jew haters"
You're such a Muslim lover. "
What is your suggested basis for negotiations? |
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So you negotiate on the basis that the side who invide, take your home, Murder your children on a daily basis for 75 years and build their ideology on ethnically cleansing an entire nation, commits a genocide and brags about it is the victim good guys. And the side being at the receiving end are terrorists.
Once you establish that, you negotiate right? According to you that's how one can negotiate properly. Or else you accuse them of being "Jew haters"
You're such a Muslim lover.
What is your suggested basis for negotiations?"
1- Human rights are not a privilege of of one nation at the expanse of another.
2- Apartheid is Evil and must be abolished and outlawed
3- The Powerful doesn't get to define terrorism as a tool to further marginalise and oppress the already oppressed. And they don't get decide who is a terrorist and who isn't to further colonial oppressive aims |
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By *ony 2016Man 49 weeks ago
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"Looks like Starmer has stiffened (at last) on ceasefire.
A lip service to rescue millions of votes he already lost"
Doubt very much the votes lost would have been in the "millions"
Might even have gained some votes
But now appearing to have reached the correct verdict |
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"Looks like Starmer has stiffened (at last) on ceasefire.
A lip service to rescue millions of votes he already lost
Doubt very much the votes lost would have been in the "millions"
Might even have gained some votes
But now appearing to have reached the correct verdict "
I suspect the Turnout will be very poor this time around. |
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"Looks like Starmer has stiffened (at last) on ceasefire.
A lip service to rescue millions of votes he already lost
Doubt very much the votes lost would have been in the "millions"
Might even have gained some votes
But now appearing to have reached the correct verdict
I suspect the Turnout will be very poor this time around. "
Starmer had no choice but to change his stance on this issue, as he was losing the muslim support, eventually he will have to demand a ceasefire to get the muslim support back.
As will Biden. |
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