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By *abio OP Man 42 weeks ago
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I find it so fascinating that it looks like the right are so scared of Taylor Swift they just now attack her for any reason
I think they are do scared of her just telling people to vote and the effect that will have of swifties they think her power will affect the election
I was trying to think of a uk celebrity or person who had that much influence… I can only think of Marcus rashford when he was going through the free school meals campaign |
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By *otMe66Man 42 weeks ago
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People have tried to cancel Jimmy Carr, Ricky Gervais, Russell Brand (as soon as he showed right leanings), JK Rowling.
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"I find it so fascinating that it looks like the right are so scared of Taylor Swift they just now attack her for any reason
I think they are do scared of her just telling people to vote and the effect that will have of swifties they think her power will affect the election
I was trying to think of a uk celebrity or person who had that much influence… I can only think of Marcus rashford when he was going through the free school meals campaign "
The right (especially the MAGA cult) are terrified off everything, they need to blame conspiracy theory bullshit to lesssen in the pain in their lives |
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By *otMe66Man 42 weeks ago
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"I find it so fascinating that it looks like the right are so scared of Taylor Swift they just now attack her for any reason
I think they are do scared of her just telling people to vote and the effect that will have of swifties they think her power will affect the election
I was trying to think of a uk celebrity or person who had that much influence… I can only think of Marcus rashford when he was going through the free school meals campaign
The right (especially the MAGA cult) are terrified off everything, they need to blame conspiracy theory bullshit to lesssen in the pain in their lives "
I do like how "you" see MAGA as a cult:
Cult is a term, in most contexts pejorative, for a relatively small group which is typically led by a charismatic and self-appointed leader. |
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"I find it so fascinating that it looks like the right are so scared of Taylor Swift they just now attack her for any reason
I think they are do scared of her just telling people to vote and the effect that will have of swifties they think her power will affect the election
I was trying to think of a uk celebrity or person who had that much influence… I can only think of Marcus rashford when he was going through the free school meals campaign
The right (especially the MAGA cult) are terrified off everything, they need to blame conspiracy theory bullshit to lesssen in the pain in their lives
I do like how "you" see MAGA as a cult:
Cult is a term, in most contexts pejorative, for a relatively small group which is typically led by a charismatic and self-appointed leader."
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By (user no longer on site) 42 weeks ago
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Pretty much every celebrity on the planet backed Clinton in 2016 and look where it got her.
The Left generally has a problem with celebrity. The Labour Party has always sought celebrity endorsements as did the Remainers in 2016.
It just makes them look vacuous.
It's like they think the electorate are just shallow thickies who spend all their time watching TV so really care what Benedict Cumberbatch’s opinion on the single market is. |
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"Pretty much every celebrity on the planet backed Clinton in 2016 and look where it got her.
The Left generally has a problem with celebrity. The Labour Party has always sought celebrity endorsements as did the Remainers in 2016.
It just makes them look vacuous.
It's like they think the electorate are just shallow thickies who spend all their time watching TV so really care what Benedict Cumberbatch’s opinion on the single market is."
‘Most’ celebrities are intelligent successful people so it makes sense that they will annoy the sad bitter failures on the right , they hate to see people doing well
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"Pretty much every celebrity on the planet backed Clinton in 2016 and look where it got her.
The Left generally has a problem with celebrity. The Labour Party has always sought celebrity endorsements as did the Remainers in 2016.
It just makes them look vacuous.
It's like they think the electorate are just shallow thickies who spend all their time watching TV so really care what Benedict Cumberbatch’s opinion on the single market is.
‘Most’ celebrities are intelligent successful people so it makes sense that they will annoy the sad bitter failures on the right , they hate to see people doing well
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The true face of the modern Left.
In thrall to celebrity and success.
Dismissive of ordinary people. |
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"Pretty much every celebrity on the planet backed Clinton in 2016 and look where it got her.
The Left generally has a problem with celebrity. The Labour Party has always sought celebrity endorsements as did the Remainers in 2016.
It just makes them look vacuous.
It's like they think the electorate are just shallow thickies who spend all their time watching TV so really care what Benedict Cumberbatch’s opinion on the single market is.
‘Most’ celebrities are intelligent successful people so it makes sense that they will annoy the sad bitter failures on the right , they hate to see people doing well
The true face of the modern Left.
In thrall to celebrity and success.
Dismissive of ordinary people."
The true face of the bitter right,
In thrall to conspiracy theories
Dismissive of the educated and successful |
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"People have tried to cancel Jimmy Carr, Ricky Gervais, Russell Brand (as soon as he showed right leanings), JK Rowling.
I think you will find the left are scared of humour and truth in equal measure "
Pretty sure Brand was because of all the sexual assault stuff. Not because of any political leanings.
You continue to have the most baffling view of "the left", I don't actually that anyone who you're imagining being these jealous, humourless people on the left actually exist. |
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"People have tried to cancel Jimmy Carr, Ricky Gervais, Russell Brand (as soon as he showed right leanings), JK Rowling.
I think you will find the left are scared of humour and truth in equal measure
Pretty sure Brand was because of all the sexual assault stuff. Not because of any political leanings.
You continue to have the most baffling view of "the left", I don't actually that anyone who you're imagining being these jealous, humourless people on the left actually exist. "
Brand was asking all the wrong questions during Covid lockdown so attracted the attention of the state and pharma.
And then a load of allegations appear about his past conduct. Odd that. |
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"People have tried to cancel Jimmy Carr, Ricky Gervais, Russell Brand (as soon as he showed right leanings), JK Rowling.
I think you will find the left are scared of humour and truth in equal measure
Pretty sure Brand was because of all the sexual assault stuff. Not because of any political leanings.
You continue to have the most baffling view of "the left", I don't actually that anyone who you're imagining being these jealous, humourless people on the left actually exist.
Brand was asking all the wrong questions during Covid lockdown so attracted the attention of the state and pharma.
And then a load of allegations appear about his past conduct. Odd that."
Pharma companies waited three years to bring up his sexual assault history because they felt threated by his conspiracy theories?
That's enough for me I also blame "the left", and abdicate him of responsibility for his actions.
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"People have tried to cancel Jimmy Carr, Ricky Gervais, Russell Brand (as soon as he showed right leanings), JK Rowling.
I think you will find the left are scared of humour and truth in equal measure
Pretty sure Brand was because of all the sexual assault stuff. Not because of any political leanings.
You continue to have the most baffling view of "the left", I don't actually that anyone who you're imagining being these jealous, humourless people on the left actually exist.
Brand was asking all the wrong questions during Covid lockdown so attracted the attention of the state and pharma.
And then a load of allegations appear about his past conduct. Odd that.
Pharma companies waited three years to bring up his sexual assault history because they felt threated by his conspiracy theories?
That's enough for me I also blame "the left", and abdicate him of responsibility for his actions.
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What actions? Has he been arrested? |
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"People have tried to cancel Jimmy Carr, Ricky Gervais, Russell Brand (as soon as he showed right leanings), JK Rowling.
I think you will find the left are scared of humour and truth in equal measure
Pretty sure Brand was because of all the sexual assault stuff. Not because of any political leanings.
You continue to have the most baffling view of "the left", I don't actually that anyone who you're imagining being these jealous, humourless people on the left actually exist.
Brand was asking all the wrong questions during Covid lockdown so attracted the attention of the state and pharma.
And then a load of allegations appear about his past conduct. Odd that.
Pharma companies waited three years to bring up his sexual assault history because they felt threated by his conspiracy theories?
That's enough for me I also blame "the left", and abdicate him of responsibility for his actions.
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I’ve personally never been a fan of Brand, certainly not in his celeb days, but he has changed his life and is an intelligent chap and today a family man.
He says he is innocent and has not been found guilty of any crimes. |
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"People have tried to cancel Jimmy Carr, Ricky Gervais, Russell Brand (as soon as he showed right leanings), JK Rowling.
I think you will find the left are scared of humour and truth in equal measure
Pretty sure Brand was because of all the sexual assault stuff. Not because of any political leanings.
You continue to have the most baffling view of "the left", I don't actually that anyone who you're imagining being these jealous, humourless people on the left actually exist.
Brand was asking all the wrong questions during Covid lockdown so attracted the attention of the state and pharma.
And then a load of allegations appear about his past conduct. Odd that.
Pharma companies waited three years to bring up his sexual assault history because they felt threated by his conspiracy theories?
That's enough for me I also blame "the left", and abdicate him of responsibility for his actions.
I’ve personally never been a fan of Brand, certainly not in his celeb days, but he has changed his life and is an intelligent chap and today a family man.
He says he is innocent and has not been found guilty of any crimes. "
I agree with that , innocent until proven guilty, |
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"People have tried to cancel Jimmy Carr, Ricky Gervais, Russell Brand (as soon as he showed right leanings), JK Rowling.
I think you will find the left are scared of humour and truth in equal measure
Pretty sure Brand was because of all the sexual assault stuff. Not because of any political leanings.
You continue to have the most baffling view of "the left", I don't actually that anyone who you're imagining being these jealous, humourless people on the left actually exist.
Brand was asking all the wrong questions during Covid lockdown so attracted the attention of the state and pharma.
And then a load of allegations appear about his past conduct. Odd that.
Pharma companies waited three years to bring up his sexual assault history because they felt threated by his conspiracy theories?
That's enough for me I also blame "the left", and abdicate him of responsibility for his actions.
I’ve personally never been a fan of Brand, certainly not in his celeb days, but he has changed his life and is an intelligent chap and today a family man.
He says he is innocent and has not been found guilty of any crimes. "
I'm not saying he's guilty or not guilty.
I was answering the other chap who seem to think "the left" cancelled him because he had some right leaning opinions.
Then I poked fun at your conspiracy theories. |
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By (user no longer on site) 42 weeks ago
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"People have tried to cancel Jimmy Carr, Ricky Gervais, Russell Brand (as soon as he showed right leanings), JK Rowling.
I think you will find the left are scared of humour and truth in equal measure
Pretty sure Brand was because of all the sexual assault stuff. Not because of any political leanings.
You continue to have the most baffling view of "the left", I don't actually that anyone who you're imagining being these jealous, humourless people on the left actually exist.
Brand was asking all the wrong questions during Covid lockdown so attracted the attention of the state and pharma.
And then a load of allegations appear about his past conduct. Odd that.
Pharma companies waited three years to bring up his sexual assault history because they felt threated by his conspiracy theories?
That's enough for me I also blame "the left", and abdicate him of responsibility for his actions.
I’ve personally never been a fan of Brand, certainly not in his celeb days, but he has changed his life and is an intelligent chap and today a family man.
He says he is innocent and has not been found guilty of any crimes.
I'm not saying he's guilty or not guilty.
I was answering the other chap who seem to think "the left" cancelled him because he had some right leaning opinions.
Then I poked fun at your conspiracy theories. "
I’m really just regurgitating what Brand says. I was listening to his interview with Tucker Carlson from a few days back. His insinuation was very much that he was under surveillance by both the state and “Big Pharma” and the allegations are some kind of payback. |
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Does she hold that mmuch sway? Dont really know to much about her to be honest. Have seen her on the idiot box a few times but couldnt hum you one of her tunes, my taste in music leans more towards rock and metal |
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"People have tried to cancel Jimmy Carr, Ricky Gervais, Russell Brand (as soon as he showed right leanings), JK Rowling.
I think you will find the left are scared of humour and truth in equal measure
Pretty sure Brand was because of all the sexual assault stuff. Not because of any political leanings.
You continue to have the most baffling view of "the left", I don't actually that anyone who you're imagining being these jealous, humourless people on the left actually exist.
Brand was asking all the wrong questions during Covid lockdown so attracted the attention of the state and pharma.
And then a load of allegations appear about his past conduct. Odd that."
Comedians on the circuit were apparently all aware of Brand’s ‘ways’ some years ago. |
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"Pretty much every celebrity on the planet backed Clinton in 2016 and look where it got her.
The Left generally has a problem with celebrity. The Labour Party has always sought celebrity endorsements as did the Remainers in 2016.
It just makes them look vacuous.
It's like they think the electorate are just shallow thickies who spend all their time watching TV so really care what Benedict Cumberbatch’s opinion on the single market is.
‘Most’ celebrities are intelligent successful people so it makes sense that they will annoy the sad bitter failures on the right , they hate to see people doing well
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*side eye towards Joey Essex...... |
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"People have tried to cancel Jimmy Carr, Ricky Gervais, Russell Brand (as soon as he showed right leanings), JK Rowling.
I think you will find the left are scared of humour and truth in equal measure
Pretty sure Brand was because of all the sexual assault stuff. Not because of any political leanings.
You continue to have the most baffling view of "the left", I don't actually that anyone who you're imagining being these jealous, humourless people on the left actually exist.
Brand was asking all the wrong questions during Covid lockdown so attracted the attention of the state and pharma.
And then a load of allegations appear about his past conduct. Odd that.
Pharma companies waited three years to bring up his sexual assault history because they felt threated by his conspiracy theories?
That's enough for me I also blame "the left", and abdicate him of responsibility for his actions.
I’ve personally never been a fan of Brand, certainly not in his celeb days, but he has changed his life and is an intelligent chap and today a family man.
He says he is innocent and has not been found guilty of any crimes.
I'm not saying he's guilty or not guilty.
I was answering the other chap who seem to think "the left" cancelled him because he had some right leaning opinions.
Then I poked fun at your conspiracy theories.
I’m really just regurgitating what Brand says. I was listening to his interview with Tucker Carlson from a few days back. His insinuation was very much that he was under surveillance by both the state and “Big Pharma” and the allegations are some kind of payback."
Brand is a grifter, the TV and movie jobs dried up so he moved on to doing ‘wellness’ stuff on YouTube, did a conspiracy video, saw it got him 30 times as many views as his usual stuff, then moved to conspiracy full time.
There are those who say he moved ‘to the right’ in order to be able to say the sexual assault allegations were as a result of him annoying the wrong people. This may or may not be true. |
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"I find it so fascinating that it looks like the right are so scared of Taylor Swift they just now attack her for any reason
I think they are do scared of her just telling people to vote and the effect that will have of swifties they think her power will affect the election
I was trying to think of a uk celebrity or person who had that much influence… I can only think of Marcus rashford when he was going through the free school meals campaign "
Mocking because she wants to join the ufc is not an attack, she will be genuinely attacked in the ring though.  |
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"People have tried to cancel Jimmy Carr, Ricky Gervais, Russell Brand (as soon as he showed right leanings), JK Rowling.
I think you will find the left are scared of humour and truth in equal measure
Pretty sure Brand was because of all the sexual assault stuff. Not because of any political leanings.
You continue to have the most baffling view of "the left", I don't actually that anyone who you're imagining being these jealous, humourless people on the left actually exist.
Brand was asking all the wrong questions during Covid lockdown so attracted the attention of the state and pharma.
And then a load of allegations appear about his past conduct. Odd that.
Pharma companies waited three years to bring up his sexual assault history because they felt threated by his conspiracy theories?
That's enough for me I also blame "the left", and abdicate him of responsibility for his actions.
I’ve personally never been a fan of Brand, certainly not in his celeb days, but he has changed his life and is an intelligent chap and today a family man.
He says he is innocent and has not been found guilty of any crimes.
I'm not saying he's guilty or not guilty.
I was answering the other chap who seem to think "the left" cancelled him because he had some right leaning opinions.
Then I poked fun at your conspiracy theories.
I’m really just regurgitating what Brand says. I was listening to his interview with Tucker Carlson from a few days back. His insinuation was very much that he was under surveillance by both the state and “Big Pharma” and the allegations are some kind of payback."
Fair enough. Brand says a lot of mad shit. |
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By *otMe66Man 42 weeks ago
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"I don't actually that anyone who you're imagining being these jealous, humourless people on the left actually exist.
Are you a leftist 
By your definition. No, and I never met one either. "
I'm not sure you are not a leftist to be fair, tell me joke that should prove it
And to be fair, I don't see them out in the wild as a rule.
I might try a real ale place one day, I think that could be a natural habitat. |
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By (user no longer on site) 42 weeks ago
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What is this madness that is affecting our American cousins?
Amazing how much they conform to the two party system when for most here it is often a grudging vote
What is the problem with telling people to vote surely you want as many voting as possible?
Truly bizarre people |
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"People have tried to cancel Jimmy Carr, Ricky Gervais, Russell Brand (as soon as he showed right leanings), JK Rowling.
I think you will find the left are scared of humour and truth in equal measure
Pretty sure Brand was because of all the sexual assault stuff. Not because of any political leanings.
You continue to have the most baffling view of "the left", I don't actually that anyone who you're imagining being these jealous, humourless people on the left actually exist.
Brand was asking all the wrong questions during Covid lockdown so attracted the attention of the state and pharma.
And then a load of allegations appear about his past conduct. Odd that.
Pharma companies waited three years to bring up his sexual assault history because they felt threated by his conspiracy theories?
That's enough for me I also blame "the left", and abdicate him of responsibility for his actions.
I’ve personally never been a fan of Brand, certainly not in his celeb days, but he has changed his life and is an intelligent chap and today a family man.
He says he is innocent and has not been found guilty of any crimes.
I'm not saying he's guilty or not guilty.
I was answering the other chap who seem to think "the left" cancelled him because he had some right leaning opinions.
Then I poked fun at your conspiracy theories.
I’m really just regurgitating what Brand says. I was listening to his interview with Tucker Carlson from a few days back. His insinuation was very much that he was under surveillance by both the state and “Big Pharma” and the allegations are some kind of payback.
Fair enough. Brand says a lot of mad shit."
I’m not sure. We know perfectly well that numerous high profile people were being surveilled by the British authorities if they questioned vaccines and lockdowns. I’m not sure if Brand was revealed to be one of them but given the others it wouldn’t be surprising.
As for Big Pharma who knows? Why wouldn’t they keep a watch on people who were a potential threat to their income streams? Coutts were surveilling Farage. |
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"Pretty much every celebrity on the planet backed Clinton in 2016 and look where it got her.
The Left generally has a problem with celebrity. The Labour Party has always sought celebrity endorsements as did the Remainers in 2016.
It just makes them look vacuous.
It's like they think the electorate are just shallow thickies who spend all their time watching TV so really care what Benedict Cumberbatch’s opinion on the single market is.
‘Most’ celebrities are intelligent successful people so it makes sense that they will annoy the sad bitter failures on the right , they hate to see people doing well
The true face of the modern Left.
In thrall to celebrity and success.
Dismissive of ordinary people.
The true face of the bitter right,
In thrall to conspiracy theories
Dismissive of the educated and successful "
It's scary how totalitarian the left seem to be going. Let's take the vote away from all these uneducated conspiracy theorists? Maybe only people educated to degree level get the vote? |
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"I don't actually that anyone who you're imagining being these jealous, humourless people on the left actually exist.
Are you a leftist
By your definition. No, and I never met one either.
I'm not sure you are not a leftist to be fair, tell me joke that should prove it
And to be fair, I don't see them out in the wild as a rule.
I might try a real ale place one day, I think that could be a natural habitat."
So if they don't really exist, or you never come across them why worry? |
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"Pretty much every celebrity on the planet backed Clinton in 2016 and look where it got her.
The Left generally has a problem with celebrity. The Labour Party has always sought celebrity endorsements as did the Remainers in 2016.
It just makes them look vacuous.
It's like they think the electorate are just shallow thickies who spend all their time watching TV so really care what Benedict Cumberbatch’s opinion on the single market is.
‘Most’ celebrities are intelligent successful people so it makes sense that they will annoy the sad bitter failures on the right , they hate to see people doing well
The true face of the modern Left.
In thrall to celebrity and success.
Dismissive of ordinary people.
The true face of the bitter right,
In thrall to conspiracy theories
Dismissive of the educated and successful
It's scary how totalitarian the left seem to be going. Let's take the vote away from all these uneducated conspiracy theorists? Maybe only people educated to degree level get the vote?"
Where did I say that? There is a reason why right wing parties don’t invest adequately in education, it is to keep the general population stupid . It is far easier to fool a nation of fools |
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"Pretty much every celebrity on the planet backed Clinton in 2016 and look where it got her.
The Left generally has a problem with celebrity. The Labour Party has always sought celebrity endorsements as did the Remainers in 2016.
It just makes them look vacuous.
It's like they think the electorate are just shallow thickies who spend all their time watching TV so really care what Benedict Cumberbatch’s opinion on the single market is.
‘Most’ celebrities are intelligent successful people so it makes sense that they will annoy the sad bitter failures on the right , they hate to see people doing well
The true face of the modern Left.
In thrall to celebrity and success.
Dismissive of ordinary people.
The true face of the bitter right,
In thrall to conspiracy theories
Dismissive of the educated and successful
It's scary how totalitarian the left seem to be going. Let's take the vote away from all these uneducated conspiracy theorists? Maybe only people educated to degree level get the vote?"
A wise man heart turns him towards the right,, which is the way of blessing, but a fools heart turns him toward the left,, which is the way of condemnation.
ecclesiastes 10:2.
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"People have tried to cancel Jimmy Carr, Ricky Gervais, Russell Brand (as soon as he showed right leanings), JK Rowling.
I think you will find the left are scared of humour and truth in equal measure
Pretty sure Brand was because of all the sexual assault stuff. Not because of any political leanings.
You continue to have the most baffling view of "the left", I don't actually that anyone who you're imagining being these jealous, humourless people on the left actually exist.
Brand was asking all the wrong questions during Covid lockdown so attracted the attention of the state and pharma.
And then a load of allegations appear about his past conduct. Odd that.
Pharma companies waited three years to bring up his sexual assault history because they felt threated by his conspiracy theories?
That's enough for me I also blame "the left", and abdicate him of responsibility for his actions.
I’ve personally never been a fan of Brand, certainly not in his celeb days, but he has changed his life and is an intelligent chap and today a family man.
He says he is innocent and has not been found guilty of any crimes.
I'm not saying he's guilty or not guilty.
I was answering the other chap who seem to think "the left" cancelled him because he had some right leaning opinions.
Then I poked fun at your conspiracy theories.
I’m really just regurgitating what Brand says. I was listening to his interview with Tucker Carlson from a few days back. His insinuation was very much that he was under surveillance by both the state and “Big Pharma” and the allegations are some kind of payback.
Brand is a grifter, the TV and movie jobs dried up so he moved on to doing ‘wellness’ stuff on YouTube, did a conspiracy video, saw it got him 30 times as many views as his usual stuff, then moved to conspiracy full time.
There are those who say he moved ‘to the right’ in order to be able to say the sexual assault allegations were as a result of him annoying the wrong people. This may or may not be true."
He's a socialist and pretty far on the political left. People are branded right wing so easily these days just because one or two topics they have a more right wing view. |
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"Pretty much every celebrity on the planet backed Clinton in 2016 and look where it got her.
The Left generally has a problem with celebrity. The Labour Party has always sought celebrity endorsements as did the Remainers in 2016.
It just makes them look vacuous.
It's like they think the electorate are just shallow thickies who spend all their time watching TV so really care what Benedict Cumberbatch’s opinion on the single market is.
‘Most’ celebrities are intelligent successful people so it makes sense that they will annoy the sad bitter failures on the right , they hate to see people doing well
The true face of the modern Left.
In thrall to celebrity and success.
Dismissive of ordinary people.
The true face of the bitter right,
In thrall to conspiracy theories
Dismissive of the educated and successful
It's scary how totalitarian the left seem to be going. Let's take the vote away from all these uneducated conspiracy theorists? Maybe only people educated to degree level get the vote?
Where did I say that? There is a reason why right wing parties don’t invest adequately in education, it is to keep the general population stupid . It is far easier to fool a nation of fools "
You where being really condescending to people less educated then yourself and righting off there lived experiences..
"To keep the general population stupid" Wow.. Now who's starting to sound like a conspiracy theorist? |
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"Pretty much every celebrity on the planet backed Clinton in 2016 and look where it got her.
The Left generally has a problem with celebrity. The Labour Party has always sought celebrity endorsements as did the Remainers in 2016.
It just makes them look vacuous.
It's like they think the electorate are just shallow thickies who spend all their time watching TV so really care what Benedict Cumberbatch’s opinion on the single market is.
‘Most’ celebrities are intelligent successful people so it makes sense that they will annoy the sad bitter failures on the right , they hate to see people doing well
The true face of the modern Left.
In thrall to celebrity and success.
Dismissive of ordinary people.
The true face of the bitter right,
In thrall to conspiracy theories
Dismissive of the educated and successful
It's scary how totalitarian the left seem to be going. Let's take the vote away from all these uneducated conspiracy theorists? Maybe only people educated to degree level get the vote?
Where did I say that? There is a reason why right wing parties don’t invest adequately in education, it is to keep the general population stupid . It is far easier to fool a nation of fools
You where being really condescending to people less educated then yourself and righting off there lived experiences..
"To keep the general population stupid" Wow.. Now who's starting to sound like a conspiracy theorist?"
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"Pretty much every celebrity on the planet backed Clinton in 2016 and look where it got her.
The Left generally has a problem with celebrity. The Labour Party has always sought celebrity endorsements as did the Remainers in 2016.
It just makes them look vacuous.
It's like they think the electorate are just shallow thickies who spend all their time watching TV so really care what Benedict Cumberbatch’s opinion on the single market is.
‘Most’ celebrities are intelligent successful people so it makes sense that they will annoy the sad bitter failures on the right , they hate to see people doing well
The true face of the modern Left.
In thrall to celebrity and success.
Dismissive of ordinary people.
The true face of the bitter right,
In thrall to conspiracy theories
Dismissive of the educated and successful
It's scary how totalitarian the left seem to be going. Let's take the vote away from all these uneducated conspiracy theorists? Maybe only people educated to degree level get the vote?
Where did I say that? There is a reason why right wing parties don’t invest adequately in education, it is to keep the general population stupid . It is far easier to fool a nation of fools
You where being really condescending to people less educated then yourself and righting off there lived experiences..
"To keep the general population stupid" Wow.. Now who's starting to sound like a conspiracy theorist?"
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"Pretty much every celebrity on the planet backed Clinton in 2016 and look where it got her.
The Left generally has a problem with celebrity. The Labour Party has always sought celebrity endorsements as did the Remainers in 2016.
It just makes them look vacuous.
It's like they think the electorate are just shallow thickies who spend all their time watching TV so really care what Benedict Cumberbatch’s opinion on the single market is.
‘Most’ celebrities are intelligent successful people so it makes sense that they will annoy the sad bitter failures on the right , they hate to see people doing well
The true face of the modern Left.
In thrall to celebrity and success.
Dismissive of ordinary people.
The true face of the bitter right,
In thrall to conspiracy theories
Dismissive of the educated and successful
It's scary how totalitarian the left seem to be going. Let's take the vote away from all these uneducated conspiracy theorists? Maybe only people educated to degree level get the vote?
Where did I say that? There is a reason why right wing parties don’t invest adequately in education, it is to keep the general population stupid . It is far easier to fool a nation of fools
You where being really condescending to people less educated then yourself and righting off there lived experiences..
"To keep the general population stupid" Wow.. Now who's starting to sound like a conspiracy theorist?
Authoritarian governments always go after the intellectuals and artists, there’s a reason for that."
Exactly, look at who the government is attacking now, lawyers, teachers, doctors, nurses . |
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"People have tried to cancel Jimmy Carr, Ricky Gervais, Russell Brand (as soon as he showed right leanings), JK Rowling.
I think you will find the left are scared of humour and truth in equal measure
Pretty sure Brand was because of all the sexual assault stuff. Not because of any political leanings.
You continue to have the most baffling view of "the left", I don't actually that anyone who you're imagining being these jealous, humourless people on the left actually exist.
Brand was asking all the wrong questions during Covid lockdown so attracted the attention of the state and pharma.
And then a load of allegations appear about his past conduct. Odd that.
Pharma companies waited three years to bring up his sexual assault history because they felt threated by his conspiracy theories?
That's enough for me I also blame "the left", and abdicate him of responsibility for his actions.
I’ve personally never been a fan of Brand, certainly not in his celeb days, but he has changed his life and is an intelligent chap and today a family man.
He says he is innocent and has not been found guilty of any crimes.
I'm not saying he's guilty or not guilty.
I was answering the other chap who seem to think "the left" cancelled him because he had some right leaning opinions.
Then I poked fun at your conspiracy theories.
I’m really just regurgitating what Brand says. I was listening to his interview with Tucker Carlson from a few days back. His insinuation was very much that he was under surveillance by both the state and “Big Pharma” and the allegations are some kind of payback.
Brand is a grifter, the TV and movie jobs dried up so he moved on to doing ‘wellness’ stuff on YouTube, did a conspiracy video, saw it got him 30 times as many views as his usual stuff, then moved to conspiracy full time.
There are those who say he moved ‘to the right’ in order to be able to say the sexual assault allegations were as a result of him annoying the wrong people. This may or may not be true.
He's a socialist and pretty far on the political left. People are branded right wing so easily these days just because one or two topics they have a more right wing view."
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By *otMe66Man 42 weeks ago
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"Pretty much every celebrity on the planet backed Clinton in 2016 and look where it got her.
The Left generally has a problem with celebrity. The Labour Party has always sought celebrity endorsements as did the Remainers in 2016.
It just makes them look vacuous.
It's like they think the electorate are just shallow thickies who spend all their time watching TV so really care what Benedict Cumberbatch’s opinion on the single market is.
‘Most’ celebrities are intelligent successful people so it makes sense that they will annoy the sad bitter failures on the right , they hate to see people doing well
The true face of the modern Left.
In thrall to celebrity and success.
Dismissive of ordinary people.
The true face of the bitter right,
In thrall to conspiracy theories
Dismissive of the educated and successful
It's scary how totalitarian the left seem to be going. Let's take the vote away from all these uneducated conspiracy theorists? Maybe only people educated to degree level get the vote?
Where did I say that? There is a reason why right wing parties don’t invest adequately in education, it is to keep the general population stupid . It is far easier to fool a nation of fools
You where being really condescending to people less educated then yourself and righting off there lived experiences..
"To keep the general population stupid" Wow.. Now who's starting to sound like a conspiracy theorist?
Authoritarian governments always go after the intellectuals and artists, there’s a reason for that."
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By *otMe66Man 42 weeks ago
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"I don't actually that anyone who you're imagining being these jealous, humourless people on the left actually exist.
Are you a leftist
By your definition. No, and I never met one either.
I'm not sure you are not a leftist to be fair, tell me joke that should prove it
And to be fair, I don't see them out in the wild as a rule.
I might try a real ale place one day, I think that could be a natural habitat.
So if they don't really exist, or you never come across them why worry?"
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"Pretty much every celebrity on the planet backed Clinton in 2016 and look where it got her.
The Left generally has a problem with celebrity. The Labour Party has always sought celebrity endorsements as did the Remainers in 2016.
It just makes them look vacuous.
It's like they think the electorate are just shallow thickies who spend all their time watching TV so really care what Benedict Cumberbatch’s opinion on the single market is.
‘Most’ celebrities are intelligent successful people so it makes sense that they will annoy the sad bitter failures on the right , they hate to see people doing well
The true face of the modern Left.
In thrall to celebrity and success.
Dismissive of ordinary people.
The true face of the bitter right,
In thrall to conspiracy theories
Dismissive of the educated and successful
It's scary how totalitarian the left seem to be going. Let's take the vote away from all these uneducated conspiracy theorists? Maybe only people educated to degree level get the vote?
Where did I say that? There is a reason why right wing parties don’t invest adequately in education, it is to keep the general population stupid . It is far easier to fool a nation of fools
You where being really condescending to people less educated then yourself and righting off there lived experiences..
"To keep the general population stupid" Wow.. Now who's starting to sound like a conspiracy theorist?
Authoritarian governments always go after the intellectuals and artists, there’s a reason for that.
Oh come on! Are you suggesting the UK government is Authoritarian "
The Tory government since 2019 has been considerably more authoritarian than any we’ve seen in our lifetimes. |
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By *otMe66Man 42 weeks ago
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"Pretty much every celebrity on the planet backed Clinton in 2016 and look where it got her.
The Left generally has a problem with celebrity. The Labour Party has always sought celebrity endorsements as did the Remainers in 2016.
It just makes them look vacuous.
It's like they think the electorate are just shallow thickies who spend all their time watching TV so really care what Benedict Cumberbatch’s opinion on the single market is.
‘Most’ celebrities are intelligent successful people so it makes sense that they will annoy the sad bitter failures on the right , they hate to see people doing well
The true face of the modern Left.
In thrall to celebrity and success.
Dismissive of ordinary people.
The true face of the bitter right,
In thrall to conspiracy theories
Dismissive of the educated and successful
It's scary how totalitarian the left seem to be going. Let's take the vote away from all these uneducated conspiracy theorists? Maybe only people educated to degree level get the vote?
Where did I say that? There is a reason why right wing parties don’t invest adequately in education, it is to keep the general population stupid . It is far easier to fool a nation of fools
You where being really condescending to people less educated then yourself and righting off there lived experiences..
"To keep the general population stupid" Wow.. Now who's starting to sound like a conspiracy theorist?
Authoritarian governments always go after the intellectuals and artists, there’s a reason for that.
Oh come on! Are you suggesting the UK government is Authoritarian
The Tory government since 2019 has been considerably more authoritarian than any we’ve seen in our lifetimes."
I think you should pop yourself over to China, Russia, Iran, Cuba or N Korea and see how you feel then...
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"Pretty much every celebrity on the planet backed Clinton in 2016 and look where it got her.
The Left generally has a problem with celebrity. The Labour Party has always sought celebrity endorsements as did the Remainers in 2016.
It just makes them look vacuous.
It's like they think the electorate are just shallow thickies who spend all their time watching TV so really care what Benedict Cumberbatch’s opinion on the single market is.
‘Most’ celebrities are intelligent successful people so it makes sense that they will annoy the sad bitter failures on the right , they hate to see people doing well
The true face of the modern Left.
In thrall to celebrity and success.
Dismissive of ordinary people.
The true face of the bitter right,
In thrall to conspiracy theories
Dismissive of the educated and successful
It's scary how totalitarian the left seem to be going. Let's take the vote away from all these uneducated conspiracy theorists? Maybe only people educated to degree level get the vote?
Where did I say that? There is a reason why right wing parties don’t invest adequately in education, it is to keep the general population stupid . It is far easier to fool a nation of fools
You where being really condescending to people less educated then yourself and righting off there lived experiences..
"To keep the general population stupid" Wow.. Now who's starting to sound like a conspiracy theorist?
Authoritarian governments always go after the intellectuals and artists, there’s a reason for that.
Oh come on! Are you suggesting the UK government is Authoritarian
The Tory government since 2019 has been considerably more authoritarian than any we’ve seen in our lifetimes.
I think you should pop yourself over to China, Russia, Iran, Cuba or N Korea and see how you feel then...
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I don’t recall comparing them to other nations. I said more authoritarian than any we’ve seen in our lifetimes.
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"Pretty much every celebrity on the planet backed Clinton in 2016 and look where it got her.
The Left generally has a problem with celebrity. The Labour Party has always sought celebrity endorsements as did the Remainers in 2016.
It just makes them look vacuous.
It's like they think the electorate are just shallow thickies who spend all their time watching TV so really care what Benedict Cumberbatch’s opinion on the single market is.
‘Most’ celebrities are intelligent successful people so it makes sense that they will annoy the sad bitter failures on the right , they hate to see people doing well
The true face of the modern Left.
In thrall to celebrity and success.
Dismissive of ordinary people.
The true face of the bitter right,
In thrall to conspiracy theories
Dismissive of the educated and successful
It's scary how totalitarian the left seem to be going. Let's take the vote away from all these uneducated conspiracy theorists? Maybe only people educated to degree level get the vote?
Where did I say that? There is a reason why right wing parties don’t invest adequately in education, it is to keep the general population stupid . It is far easier to fool a nation of fools
You where being really condescending to people less educated then yourself and righting off there lived experiences..
"To keep the general population stupid" Wow.. Now who's starting to sound like a conspiracy theorist?
Authoritarian governments always go after the intellectuals and artists, there’s a reason for that.
Oh come on! Are you suggesting the UK government is Authoritarian
The Tory government since 2019 has been considerably more authoritarian than any we’ve seen in our lifetimes."
More authoritarian than others doesn't make them authoritarian.
Second hilarious thing I've seen in this thread. Who said lefties don't have a sense of humour? |
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"Pretty much every celebrity on the planet backed Clinton in 2016 and look where it got her.
The Left generally has a problem with celebrity. The Labour Party has always sought celebrity endorsements as did the Remainers in 2016.
It just makes them look vacuous.
It's like they think the electorate are just shallow thickies who spend all their time watching TV so really care what Benedict Cumberbatch’s opinion on the single market is.
‘Most’ celebrities are intelligent successful people so it makes sense that they will annoy the sad bitter failures on the right , they hate to see people doing well
The true face of the modern Left.
In thrall to celebrity and success.
Dismissive of ordinary people.
The true face of the bitter right,
In thrall to conspiracy theories
Dismissive of the educated and successful
It's scary how totalitarian the left seem to be going. Let's take the vote away from all these uneducated conspiracy theorists? Maybe only people educated to degree level get the vote?
Where did I say that? There is a reason why right wing parties don’t invest adequately in education, it is to keep the general population stupid . It is far easier to fool a nation of fools
You where being really condescending to people less educated then yourself and righting off there lived experiences..
"To keep the general population stupid" Wow.. Now who's starting to sound like a conspiracy theorist?
Authoritarian governments always go after the intellectuals and artists, there’s a reason for that.
Oh come on! Are you suggesting the UK government is Authoritarian
The Tory government since 2019 has been considerably more authoritarian than any we’ve seen in our lifetimes.
More authoritarian than others doesn't make them authoritarian.
Second hilarious thing I've seen in this thread. Who said lefties don't have a sense of humour? "
I’d say that clamping down on the right to strike is an authoritarian move, as is overruling UK judges in creating the Rwanda bill.
But speaking generally, would you agree that this is the most authoritarian govt. of the last, let’s say, 50 years? |
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"Pretty much every celebrity on the planet backed Clinton in 2016 and look where it got her.
The Left generally has a problem with celebrity. The Labour Party has always sought celebrity endorsements as did the Remainers in 2016.
It just makes them look vacuous.
It's like they think the electorate are just shallow thickies who spend all their time watching TV so really care what Benedict Cumberbatch’s opinion on the single market is.
‘Most’ celebrities are intelligent successful people so it makes sense that they will annoy the sad bitter failures on the right , they hate to see people doing well
The true face of the modern Left.
In thrall to celebrity and success.
Dismissive of ordinary people.
The true face of the bitter right,
In thrall to conspiracy theories
Dismissive of the educated and successful
It's scary how totalitarian the left seem to be going. Let's take the vote away from all these uneducated conspiracy theorists? Maybe only people educated to degree level get the vote?
Where did I say that? There is a reason why right wing parties don’t invest adequately in education, it is to keep the general population stupid . It is far easier to fool a nation of fools
You where being really condescending to people less educated then yourself and righting off there lived experiences..
"To keep the general population stupid" Wow.. Now who's starting to sound like a conspiracy theorist?
Authoritarian governments always go after the intellectuals and artists, there’s a reason for that.
Oh come on! Are you suggesting the UK government is Authoritarian
The Tory government since 2019 has been considerably more authoritarian than any we’ve seen in our lifetimes."
True, look at the way they blame lawyers , judges and the law when they can’t get their own way |
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Not to mention changing electoral rules that favour their voter base and disenfranchise the poor and minorities. That’s pretty authoritarian.
But just so long as we’re not North Korea, we’re all happy, right? |
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By *otMe66Man 42 weeks ago
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"Pretty much every celebrity on the planet backed Clinton in 2016 and look where it got her.
The Left generally has a problem with celebrity. The Labour Party has always sought celebrity endorsements as did the Remainers in 2016.
It just makes them look vacuous.
It's like they think the electorate are just shallow thickies who spend all their time watching TV so really care what Benedict Cumberbatch’s opinion on the single market is.
‘Most’ celebrities are intelligent successful people so it makes sense that they will annoy the sad bitter failures on the right , they hate to see people doing well
The true face of the modern Left.
In thrall to celebrity and success.
Dismissive of ordinary people.
The true face of the bitter right,
In thrall to conspiracy theories
Dismissive of the educated and successful
It's scary how totalitarian the left seem to be going. Let's take the vote away from all these uneducated conspiracy theorists? Maybe only people educated to degree level get the vote?
Where did I say that? There is a reason why right wing parties don’t invest adequately in education, it is to keep the general population stupid . It is far easier to fool a nation of fools
You where being really condescending to people less educated then yourself and righting off there lived experiences..
"To keep the general population stupid" Wow.. Now who's starting to sound like a conspiracy theorist?
Authoritarian governments always go after the intellectuals and artists, there’s a reason for that.
Oh come on! Are you suggesting the UK government is Authoritarian
The Tory government since 2019 has been considerably more authoritarian than any we’ve seen in our lifetimes.
I think you should pop yourself over to China, Russia, Iran, Cuba or N Korea and see how you feel then...
I don’t recall comparing them to other nations. I said more authoritarian than any we’ve seen in our lifetimes.
Do you disagree? "
Yes I do, because you are misleading or unaware that it is crucial to differentiate between exercising authority to govern and the systemic features of authoritarianism. Totally unrelated to our country and nothing to do with disliking specific laws or policies..... |
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"Not to mention changing electoral rules that favour their voter base and disenfranchise the poor and minorities. That’s pretty authoritarian.
But just so long as we’re not North Korea, we’re all happy, right?"
What?
I was not aware of this.Is this just about to come into force? |
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"Pretty much every celebrity on the planet backed Clinton in 2016 and look where it got her.
The Left generally has a problem with celebrity. The Labour Party has always sought celebrity endorsements as did the Remainers in 2016.
It just makes them look vacuous.
It's like they think the electorate are just shallow thickies who spend all their time watching TV so really care what Benedict Cumberbatch’s opinion on the single market is.
‘Most’ celebrities are intelligent successful people so it makes sense that they will annoy the sad bitter failures on the right , they hate to see people doing well
The true face of the modern Left.
In thrall to celebrity and success.
Dismissive of ordinary people.
The true face of the bitter right,
In thrall to conspiracy theories
Dismissive of the educated and successful
It's scary how totalitarian the left seem to be going. Let's take the vote away from all these uneducated conspiracy theorists? Maybe only people educated to degree level get the vote?
Where did I say that? There is a reason why right wing parties don’t invest adequately in education, it is to keep the general population stupid . It is far easier to fool a nation of fools
You where being really condescending to people less educated then yourself and righting off there lived experiences..
"To keep the general population stupid" Wow.. Now who's starting to sound like a conspiracy theorist?
Authoritarian governments always go after the intellectuals and artists, there’s a reason for that.
Oh come on! Are you suggesting the UK government is Authoritarian
The Tory government since 2019 has been considerably more authoritarian than any we’ve seen in our lifetimes.
I think you should pop yourself over to China, Russia, Iran, Cuba or N Korea and see how you feel then...
I don’t recall comparing them to other nations. I said more authoritarian than any we’ve seen in our lifetimes.
Do you disagree?
Yes I do, because you are misleading or unaware that it is crucial to differentiate between exercising authority to govern and the systemic features of authoritarianism. Totally unrelated to our country and nothing to do with disliking specific laws or policies....."
So out of interest, how authoritarian would they have to get before you accepted them as the most authoritarian govt of your lifetime?
And which British govt that you’ve seen in action would you say is/was the most authoritarian? |
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"Pretty much every celebrity on the planet backed Clinton in 2016 and look where it got her.
The Left generally has a problem with celebrity. The Labour Party has always sought celebrity endorsements as did the Remainers in 2016.
It just makes them look vacuous.
It's like they think the electorate are just shallow thickies who spend all their time watching TV so really care what Benedict Cumberbatch’s opinion on the single market is.
‘Most’ celebrities are intelligent successful people so it makes sense that they will annoy the sad bitter failures on the right , they hate to see people doing well
The true face of the modern Left.
In thrall to celebrity and success.
Dismissive of ordinary people.
The true face of the bitter right,
In thrall to conspiracy theories
Dismissive of the educated and successful
It's scary how totalitarian the left seem to be going. Let's take the vote away from all these uneducated conspiracy theorists? Maybe only people educated to degree level get the vote?
Where did I say that? There is a reason why right wing parties don’t invest adequately in education, it is to keep the general population stupid . It is far easier to fool a nation of fools
You where being really condescending to people less educated then yourself and righting off there lived experiences..
"To keep the general population stupid" Wow.. Now who's starting to sound like a conspiracy theorist?
Authoritarian governments always go after the intellectuals and artists, there’s a reason for that.
Oh come on! Are you suggesting the UK government is Authoritarian
The Tory government since 2019 has been considerably more authoritarian than any we’ve seen in our lifetimes.
More authoritarian than others doesn't make them authoritarian.
Second hilarious thing I've seen in this thread. Who said lefties don't have a sense of humour?
I’d say that clamping down on the right to strike is an authoritarian move, as is overruling UK judges in creating the Rwanda bill.
But speaking generally, would you agree that this is the most authoritarian govt. of the last, let’s say, 50 years? "
You're trying to twist it to something the poster who claimed 'authoritarian' didn't say.
That 'clamping down' on striking is working well isn't it
As for judges, final say lies with governement in this country, always has done. Just out of interest, did the judges say the Rwanda bill couldn't be created? Or is that you twisting words again? |
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By *otMe66Man 42 weeks ago
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"Pretty much every celebrity on the planet backed Clinton in 2016 and look where it got her.
The Left generally has a problem with celebrity. The Labour Party has always sought celebrity endorsements as did the Remainers in 2016.
It just makes them look vacuous.
It's like they think the electorate are just shallow thickies who spend all their time watching TV so really care what Benedict Cumberbatch’s opinion on the single market is.
‘Most’ celebrities are intelligent successful people so it makes sense that they will annoy the sad bitter failures on the right , they hate to see people doing well
The true face of the modern Left.
In thrall to celebrity and success.
Dismissive of ordinary people.
The true face of the bitter right,
In thrall to conspiracy theories
Dismissive of the educated and successful
It's scary how totalitarian the left seem to be going. Let's take the vote away from all these uneducated conspiracy theorists? Maybe only people educated to degree level get the vote?
Where did I say that? There is a reason why right wing parties don’t invest adequately in education, it is to keep the general population stupid . It is far easier to fool a nation of fools
You where being really condescending to people less educated then yourself and righting off there lived experiences..
"To keep the general population stupid" Wow.. Now who's starting to sound like a conspiracy theorist?
Authoritarian governments always go after the intellectuals and artists, there’s a reason for that.
Oh come on! Are you suggesting the UK government is Authoritarian
The Tory government since 2019 has been considerably more authoritarian than any we’ve seen in our lifetimes.
I think you should pop yourself over to China, Russia, Iran, Cuba or N Korea and see how you feel then...
I don’t recall comparing them to other nations. I said more authoritarian than any we’ve seen in our lifetimes.
Do you disagree?
Yes I do, because you are misleading or unaware that it is crucial to differentiate between exercising authority to govern and the systemic features of authoritarianism. Totally unrelated to our country and nothing to do with disliking specific laws or policies.....
So out of interest, how authoritarian would they have to get before you accepted them as the most authoritarian govt of your lifetime?
And which British govt that you’ve seen in action would you say is/was the most authoritarian?"
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"Not to mention changing electoral rules that favour their voter base and disenfranchise the poor and minorities. That’s pretty authoritarian.
But just so long as we’re not North Korea, we’re all happy, right?"
ID is available to anyone who wants it.
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"Pretty much every celebrity on the planet backed Clinton in 2016 and look where it got her.
The Left generally has a problem with celebrity. The Labour Party has always sought celebrity endorsements as did the Remainers in 2016.
It just makes them look vacuous.
It's like they think the electorate are just shallow thickies who spend all their time watching TV so really care what Benedict Cumberbatch’s opinion on the single market is.
‘Most’ celebrities are intelligent successful people so it makes sense that they will annoy the sad bitter failures on the right , they hate to see people doing well
The true face of the modern Left.
In thrall to celebrity and success.
Dismissive of ordinary people.
The true face of the bitter right,
In thrall to conspiracy theories
Dismissive of the educated and successful
It's scary how totalitarian the left seem to be going. Let's take the vote away from all these uneducated conspiracy theorists? Maybe only people educated to degree level get the vote?
Where did I say that? There is a reason why right wing parties don’t invest adequately in education, it is to keep the general population stupid . It is far easier to fool a nation of fools
You where being really condescending to people less educated then yourself and righting off there lived experiences..
"To keep the general population stupid" Wow.. Now who's starting to sound like a conspiracy theorist?
Authoritarian governments always go after the intellectuals and artists, there’s a reason for that.
Oh come on! Are you suggesting the UK government is Authoritarian
The Tory government since 2019 has been considerably more authoritarian than any we’ve seen in our lifetimes.
More authoritarian than others doesn't make them authoritarian.
Second hilarious thing I've seen in this thread. Who said lefties don't have a sense of humour?
I’d say that clamping down on the right to strike is an authoritarian move, as is overruling UK judges in creating the Rwanda bill.
But speaking generally, would you agree that this is the most authoritarian govt. of the last, let’s say, 50 years?
You're trying to twist it to something the poster who claimed 'authoritarian' didn't say.
That 'clamping down' on striking is working well isn't it
As for judges, final say lies with governement in this country, always has done. Just out of interest, did the judges say the Rwanda bill couldn't be created? Or is that you twisting words again?"
The judges said that Rwanda isn’t a safe country, as you well know. The govt said it is.
And you can laugh about strikes all you like - this govt has attempted to remove individuals right to strike and force them in to the workplace against the democratic and legal vote of a trade union. |
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"Pretty much every celebrity on the planet backed Clinton in 2016 and look where it got her.
The Left generally has a problem with celebrity. The Labour Party has always sought celebrity endorsements as did the Remainers in 2016.
It just makes them look vacuous.
It's like they think the electorate are just shallow thickies who spend all their time watching TV so really care what Benedict Cumberbatch’s opinion on the single market is.
‘Most’ celebrities are intelligent successful people so it makes sense that they will annoy the sad bitter failures on the right , they hate to see people doing well
The true face of the modern Left.
In thrall to celebrity and success.
Dismissive of ordinary people.
The true face of the bitter right,
In thrall to conspiracy theories
Dismissive of the educated and successful
It's scary how totalitarian the left seem to be going. Let's take the vote away from all these uneducated conspiracy theorists? Maybe only people educated to degree level get the vote?
Where did I say that? There is a reason why right wing parties don’t invest adequately in education, it is to keep the general population stupid . It is far easier to fool a nation of fools
You where being really condescending to people less educated then yourself and righting off there lived experiences..
"To keep the general population stupid" Wow.. Now who's starting to sound like a conspiracy theorist?
Authoritarian governments always go after the intellectuals and artists, there’s a reason for that.
Oh come on! Are you suggesting the UK government is Authoritarian
The Tory government since 2019 has been considerably more authoritarian than any we’ve seen in our lifetimes.
More authoritarian than others doesn't make them authoritarian.
Second hilarious thing I've seen in this thread. Who said lefties don't have a sense of humour?
I’d say that clamping down on the right to strike is an authoritarian move, as is overruling UK judges in creating the Rwanda bill.
But speaking generally, would you agree that this is the most authoritarian govt. of the last, let’s say, 50 years?
You're trying to twist it to something the poster who claimed 'authoritarian' didn't say.
That 'clamping down' on striking is working well isn't it
As for judges, final say lies with governement in this country, always has done. Just out of interest, did the judges say the Rwanda bill couldn't be created? Or is that you twisting words again?
The judges said that Rwanda isn’t a safe country, as you well know. The govt said it is.
And you can laugh about strikes all you like - this govt has attempted to remove individuals right to strike and force them in to the workplace against the democratic and legal vote of a trade union. "
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"Not to mention changing electoral rules that favour their voter base and disenfranchise the poor and minorities. That’s pretty authoritarian.
But just so long as we’re not North Korea, we’re all happy, right?
ID is available to anyone who wants it.
You're funnier than Ricky Gervais "
There’s data on voters and ID, I’m sure you’ve seen it, because you’re pretty sharp.
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"Not to mention changing electoral rules that favour their voter base and disenfranchise the poor and minorities. That’s pretty authoritarian.
But just so long as we’re not North Korea, we’re all happy, right?
ID is available to anyone who wants it.
You're funnier than Ricky Gervais
There’s data on voters and ID, I’m sure you’ve seen it, because you’re pretty sharp.
Which means you know I’m right. The ID scheme impacts poor and minorities disproportionately."
Does it bollocks, anyone who wants an ID will be provided one.
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"Pretty much every celebrity on the planet backed Clinton in 2016 and look where it got her.
The Left generally has a problem with celebrity. The Labour Party has always sought celebrity endorsements as did the Remainers in 2016.
It just makes them look vacuous.
It's like they think the electorate are just shallow thickies who spend all their time watching TV so really care what Benedict Cumberbatch’s opinion on the single market is.
‘Most’ celebrities are intelligent successful people so it makes sense that they will annoy the sad bitter failures on the right , they hate to see people doing well
The true face of the modern right.
In thrall to old money, new money and success.
Dismissive of ordinary people."
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By *otMe66Man 42 weeks ago
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"Not to mention changing electoral rules that favour their voter base and disenfranchise the poor and minorities. That’s pretty authoritarian.
But just so long as we’re not North Korea, we’re all happy, right?
ID is available to anyone who wants it.
You're funnier than Ricky Gervais
There’s data on voters and ID, I’m sure you’ve seen it, because you’re pretty sharp.
Which means you know I’m right. The ID scheme impacts poor and minorities disproportionately."
Being able to vote and have ID given to you if you are too poor to purchase it yourself, or have any other reason to need it, really pisses on your authoritarian government bonfire, well done |
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"Pretty much every celebrity on the planet backed Clinton in 2016 and look where it got her.
The Left generally has a problem with celebrity. The Labour Party has always sought celebrity endorsements as did the Remainers in 2016.
It just makes them look vacuous.
It's like they think the electorate are just shallow thickies who spend all their time watching TV so really care what Benedict Cumberbatch’s opinion on the single market is.
‘Most’ celebrities are intelligent successful people so it makes sense that they will annoy the sad bitter failures on the right , they hate to see people doing well
The true face of the modern Left.
In thrall to celebrity and success.
Dismissive of ordinary people.
The true face of the bitter right,
In thrall to conspiracy theories
Dismissive of the educated and successful
It's scary how totalitarian the left seem to be going. Let's take the vote away from all these uneducated conspiracy theorists? Maybe only people educated to degree level get the vote?
Where did I say that? There is a reason why right wing parties don’t invest adequately in education, it is to keep the general population stupid . It is far easier to fool a nation of fools
You where being really condescending to people less educated then yourself and righting off there lived experiences..
"To keep the general population stupid" Wow.. Now who's starting to sound like a conspiracy theorist?
Do some research, look at Brexit, it is a fact that the less educated voted to leave "
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"Pretty much every celebrity on the planet backed Clinton in 2016 and look where it got her.
The Left generally has a problem with celebrity. The Labour Party has always sought celebrity endorsements as did the Remainers in 2016.
It just makes them look vacuous.
It's like they think the electorate are just shallow thickies who spend all their time watching TV so really care what Benedict Cumberbatch’s opinion on the single market is.
‘Most’ celebrities are intelligent successful people so it makes sense that they will annoy the sad bitter failures on the right , they hate to see people doing well
The true face of the modern Left.
In thrall to celebrity and success.
Dismissive of ordinary people.
The true face of the bitter right,
In thrall to conspiracy theories
Dismissive of the educated and successful
It's scary how totalitarian the left seem to be going. Let's take the vote away from all these uneducated conspiracy theorists? Maybe only people educated to degree level get the vote?
Where did I say that? There is a reason why right wing parties don’t invest adequately in education, it is to keep the general population stupid . It is far easier to fool a nation of fools
You where being really condescending to people less educated then yourself and righting off there lived experiences..
"To keep the general population stupid" Wow.. Now who's starting to sound like a conspiracy theorist?
Authoritarian governments always go after the intellectuals and artists, there’s a reason for that.
Oh come on! Are you suggesting the UK government is Authoritarian
The Tory government since 2019 has been considerably more authoritarian than any we’ve seen in our lifetimes.
More authoritarian than others doesn't make them authoritarian.
Second hilarious thing I've seen in this thread. Who said lefties don't have a sense of humour?
I’d say that clamping down on the right to strike is an authoritarian move, as is overruling UK judges in creating the Rwanda bill.
But speaking generally, would you agree that this is the most authoritarian govt. of the last, let’s say, 50 years? "
Lockdown was authoritarian - rules for the minions didn't apply to the upper echelons. |
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"Where did I say that? There is a reason why right wing parties don’t invest adequately in education, it is to keep the general population stupid . It is far easier to fool a nation of fools
You where being really condescending to people less educated then yourself and righting off there lived experiences..
"To keep the general population stupid" Wow.. Now who's starting to sound like a conspiracy theorist?
Do some research, look at Brexit, it is a fact that the less educated voted to leave "
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"Pretty much every celebrity on the planet backed Clinton in 2016 and look where it got her.
The Left generally has a problem with celebrity. The Labour Party has always sought celebrity endorsements as did the Remainers in 2016.
It just makes them look vacuous.
It's like they think the electorate are just shallow thickies who spend all their time watching TV so really care what Benedict Cumberbatch’s opinion on the single market is.
‘Most’ celebrities are intelligent successful people so it makes sense that they will annoy the sad bitter failures on the right , they hate to see people doing well
The true face of the modern Left.
In thrall to celebrity and success.
Dismissive of ordinary people.
The true face of the bitter right,
In thrall to conspiracy theories
Dismissive of the educated and successful
It's scary how totalitarian the left seem to be going. Let's take the vote away from all these uneducated conspiracy theorists? Maybe only people educated to degree level get the vote?
Where did I say that? There is a reason why right wing parties don’t invest adequately in education, it is to keep the general population stupid . It is far easier to fool a nation of fools
You where being really condescending to people less educated then yourself and righting off there lived experiences..
"To keep the general population stupid" Wow.. Now who's starting to sound like a conspiracy theorist?
Authoritarian governments always go after the intellectuals and artists, there’s a reason for that.
Oh come on! Are you suggesting the UK government is Authoritarian
The Tory government since 2019 has been considerably more authoritarian than any we’ve seen in our lifetimes.
More authoritarian than others doesn't make them authoritarian.
Second hilarious thing I've seen in this thread. Who said lefties don't have a sense of humour?
I’d say that clamping down on the right to strike is an authoritarian move, as is overruling UK judges in creating the Rwanda bill.
But speaking generally, would you agree that this is the most authoritarian govt. of the last, let’s say, 50 years?
Lockdown was authoritarian - rules for the minions didn't apply to the upper echelons."
I’m pretty sure plenty of minions didn’t adhere to them either.
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By *otMe66Man 42 weeks ago
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"Pretty much every celebrity on the planet backed Clinton in 2016 and look where it got her.
The Left generally has a problem with celebrity. The Labour Party has always sought celebrity endorsements as did the Remainers in 2016.
It just makes them look vacuous.
It's like they think the electorate are just shallow thickies who spend all their time watching TV so really care what Benedict Cumberbatch’s opinion on the single market is.
‘Most’ celebrities are intelligent successful people so it makes sense that they will annoy the sad bitter failures on the right , they hate to see people doing well
The true face of the modern Left.
In thrall to celebrity and success.
Dismissive of ordinary people.
The true face of the bitter right,
In thrall to conspiracy theories
Dismissive of the educated and successful
It's scary how totalitarian the left seem to be going. Let's take the vote away from all these uneducated conspiracy theorists? Maybe only people educated to degree level get the vote?
Where did I say that? There is a reason why right wing parties don’t invest adequately in education, it is to keep the general population stupid . It is far easier to fool a nation of fools
You where being really condescending to people less educated then yourself and righting off there lived experiences..
"To keep the general population stupid" Wow.. Now who's starting to sound like a conspiracy theorist?
Authoritarian governments always go after the intellectuals and artists, there’s a reason for that.
Oh come on! Are you suggesting the UK government is Authoritarian
The Tory government since 2019 has been considerably more authoritarian than any we’ve seen in our lifetimes.
More authoritarian than others doesn't make them authoritarian.
Second hilarious thing I've seen in this thread. Who said lefties don't have a sense of humour?
I’d say that clamping down on the right to strike is an authoritarian move, as is overruling UK judges in creating the Rwanda bill.
But speaking generally, would you agree that this is the most authoritarian govt. of the last, let’s say, 50 years?
Lockdown was authoritarian - rules for the minions didn't apply to the upper echelons."
No it wasn't...
Lockdown was a public health measure to help prevent the spread of the virus and protect the population as well as the NHS, and the fact we are having a public inquiry shoots that idea straight out of the water..... |
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"Pretty much every celebrity on the planet backed Clinton in 2016 and look where it got her.
The Left generally has a problem with celebrity. The Labour Party has always sought celebrity endorsements as did the Remainers in 2016.
It just makes them look vacuous.
It's like they think the electorate are just shallow thickies who spend all their time watching TV so really care what Benedict Cumberbatch’s opinion on the single market is.
‘Most’ celebrities are intelligent successful people so it makes sense that they will annoy the sad bitter failures on the right , they hate to see people doing well
The true face of the modern Left.
In thrall to celebrity and success.
Dismissive of ordinary people.
The true face of the bitter right,
In thrall to conspiracy theories
Dismissive of the educated and successful
It's scary how totalitarian the left seem to be going. Let's take the vote away from all these uneducated conspiracy theorists? Maybe only people educated to degree level get the vote?
Where did I say that? There is a reason why right wing parties don’t invest adequately in education, it is to keep the general population stupid . It is far easier to fool a nation of fools
You where being really condescending to people less educated then yourself and righting off there lived experiences..
"To keep the general population stupid" Wow.. Now who's starting to sound like a conspiracy theorist?
Authoritarian governments always go after the intellectuals and artists, there’s a reason for that.
Oh come on! Are you suggesting the UK government is Authoritarian "
No, but I think they’d like to be. |
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"Where did I say that? There is a reason why right wing parties don’t invest adequately in education, it is to keep the general population stupid . It is far easier to fool a nation of fools
You where being really condescending to people less educated then yourself and righting off there lived experiences..
"To keep the general population stupid" Wow.. Now who's starting to sound like a conspiracy theorist?
Do some research, look at Brexit, it is a fact that the less educated voted to leave
I think the research could be flawed, I have evidence..."
You don’t |
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By *otMe66Man 42 weeks ago
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"Where did I say that? There is a reason why right wing parties don’t invest adequately in education, it is to keep the general population stupid . It is far easier to fool a nation of fools
You where being really condescending to people less educated then yourself and righting off there lived experiences..
"To keep the general population stupid" Wow.. Now who's starting to sound like a conspiracy theorist?
Do some research, look at Brexit, it is a fact that the less educated voted to leave
I think the research could be flawed, I have evidence...
You don’t "
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"Where did I say that? There is a reason why right wing parties don’t invest adequately in education, it is to keep the general population stupid . It is far easier to fool a nation of fools
You where being really condescending to people less educated then yourself and righting off there lived experiences..
"To keep the general population stupid" Wow.. Now who's starting to sound like a conspiracy theorist?
Do some research, look at Brexit, it is a fact that the less educated voted to leave
I think the research could be flawed, I have evidence...
You don’t
What did you vote for, remain or leave?"
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By *otMe66Man 42 weeks ago
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"Where did I say that? There is a reason why right wing parties don’t invest adequately in education, it is to keep the general population stupid . It is far easier to fool a nation of fools
You where being really condescending to people less educated then yourself and righting off there lived experiences..
"To keep the general population stupid" Wow.. Now who's starting to sound like a conspiracy theorist?
Do some research, look at Brexit, it is a fact that the less educated voted to leave
I think the research could be flawed, I have evidence...
You don’t
What did you vote for, remain or leave?
PMSL "
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"Pretty much every celebrity on the planet backed Clinton in 2016 and look where it got her.
The Left generally has a problem with celebrity. The Labour Party has always sought celebrity endorsements as did the Remainers in 2016.
It just makes them look vacuous.
It's like they think the electorate are just shallow thickies who spend all their time watching TV so really care what Benedict Cumberbatch’s opinion on the single market is.
‘Most’ celebrities are intelligent successful people so it makes sense that they will annoy the sad bitter failures on the right , they hate to see people doing well
The true face of the modern Left.
In thrall to celebrity and success.
Dismissive of ordinary people.
The true face of the bitter right,
In thrall to conspiracy theories
Dismissive of the educated and successful
It's scary how totalitarian the left seem to be going. Let's take the vote away from all these uneducated conspiracy theorists? Maybe only people educated to degree level get the vote?
Where did I say that? There is a reason why right wing parties don’t invest adequately in education, it is to keep the general population stupid . It is far easier to fool a nation of fools
You where being really condescending to people less educated then yourself and righting off there lived experiences..
"To keep the general population stupid" Wow.. Now who's starting to sound like a conspiracy theorist?
Authoritarian governments always go after the intellectuals and artists, there’s a reason for that.
Oh come on! Are you suggesting the UK government is Authoritarian
No, but I think they’d like to be."
I see no authoritarianism from this government. In the main I don’t see anything at all.
Lockdowns were obviously the most authoritarian measures we’ve seen in this country outside of wartime.
But they were wholeheartedly supported by the Labour Party who wanted more lockdowns for longer. If the Labour party were the government we’d still be wearing masks now.
I suspect we are going to see far more authoritarianism from the next Labour government. Far more rules about what we can eat and drink, lots more eco rules, major crackdown on free speech, and a lot more hectoring about what words we are allowed to use. |
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"Pretty much every celebrity on the planet backed Clinton in 2016 and look where it got her.
The Left generally has a problem with celebrity. The Labour Party has always sought celebrity endorsements as did the Remainers in 2016.
It just makes them look vacuous.
It's like they think the electorate are just shallow thickies who spend all their time watching TV so really care what Benedict Cumberbatch’s opinion on the single market is.
‘Most’ celebrities are intelligent successful people so it makes sense that they will annoy the sad bitter failures on the right , they hate to see people doing well
The true face of the modern Left.
In thrall to celebrity and success.
Dismissive of ordinary people.
The true face of the bitter right,
In thrall to conspiracy theories
Dismissive of the educated and successful
It's scary how totalitarian the left seem to be going. Let's take the vote away from all these uneducated conspiracy theorists? Maybe only people educated to degree level get the vote?
Where did I say that? There is a reason why right wing parties don’t invest adequately in education, it is to keep the general population stupid . It is far easier to fool a nation of fools
You where being really condescending to people less educated then yourself and righting off there lived experiences..
"To keep the general population stupid" Wow.. Now who's starting to sound like a conspiracy theorist?
Authoritarian governments always go after the intellectuals and artists, there’s a reason for that.
Oh come on! Are you suggesting the UK government is Authoritarian
No, but I think they’d like to be.
I see no authoritarianism from this government. In the main I don’t see anything at all.
Lockdowns were obviously the most authoritarian measures we’ve seen in this country outside of wartime.
But they were wholeheartedly supported by the Labour Party who wanted more lockdowns for longer. If the Labour party were the government we’d still be wearing masks now.
I suspect we are going to see far more authoritarianism from the next Labour government. Far more rules about what we can eat and drink, lots more eco rules, major crackdown on free speech, and a lot more hectoring about what words we are allowed to use."
I’d consider attempts to disenfranchise those least likely to vote for them as authoritarian, as is the passing of a law to say a country is safe because they didn’t like the decision the Supreme Court made. |
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I see no authoritarianism from this government. In the main I don’t see anything at all. "
You don’t think removing some individuals right to strike as authoritarian?
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By *otMe66Man 42 weeks ago
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"Pretty much every celebrity on the planet backed Clinton in 2016 and look where it got her.
The Left generally has a problem with celebrity. The Labour Party has always sought celebrity endorsements as did the Remainers in 2016.
It just makes them look vacuous.
It's like they think the electorate are just shallow thickies who spend all their time watching TV so really care what Benedict Cumberbatch’s opinion on the single market is.
‘Most’ celebrities are intelligent successful people so it makes sense that they will annoy the sad bitter failures on the right , they hate to see people doing well
The true face of the modern Left.
In thrall to celebrity and success.
Dismissive of ordinary people.
The true face of the bitter right,
In thrall to conspiracy theories
Dismissive of the educated and successful
It's scary how totalitarian the left seem to be going. Let's take the vote away from all these uneducated conspiracy theorists? Maybe only people educated to degree level get the vote?
Where did I say that? There is a reason why right wing parties don’t invest adequately in education, it is to keep the general population stupid . It is far easier to fool a nation of fools
You where being really condescending to people less educated then yourself and righting off there lived experiences..
"To keep the general population stupid" Wow.. Now who's starting to sound like a conspiracy theorist?
Authoritarian governments always go after the intellectuals and artists, there’s a reason for that.
Oh come on! Are you suggesting the UK government is Authoritarian
No, but I think they’d like to be.
I see no authoritarianism from this government. In the main I don’t see anything at all.
Lockdowns were obviously the most authoritarian measures we’ve seen in this country outside of wartime.
But they were wholeheartedly supported by the Labour Party who wanted more lockdowns for longer. If the Labour party were the government we’d still be wearing masks now.
I suspect we are going to see far more authoritarianism from the next Labour government. Far more rules about what we can eat and drink, lots more eco rules, major crackdown on free speech, and a lot more hectoring about what words we are allowed to use.
I’d consider attempts to disenfranchise those least likely to vote for them as authoritarian, as is the passing of a law to say a country is safe because they didn’t like the decision the Supreme Court made."
That isn't true though, voter ID became a placard waving exercise by the left and as usual it stuck with those who hate the tories. It is no different than the right latching onto leftists are woke.... |
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"Not to mention changing electoral rules that favour their voter base and disenfranchise the poor and minorities. That’s pretty authoritarian.
But just so long as we’re not North Korea, we’re all happy, right?
ID is available to anyone who wants it.
You're funnier than Ricky Gervais
There’s data on voters and ID, I’m sure you’ve seen it, because you’re pretty sharp.
Which means you know I’m right. The ID scheme impacts poor and minorities disproportionately.
Being able to vote and have ID given to you if you are too poor to purchase it yourself, or have any other reason to need it, really pisses on your authoritarian government bonfire, well done "
Introducing a voting scheme which disenfranchises the poor and minorities (look at the data) is authoritative. Of course you don’t believe that (and you won’t look at the data) because it doesn’t suit your narrative.
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"Not to mention changing electoral rules that favour their voter base and disenfranchise the poor and minorities. That’s pretty authoritarian.
But just so long as we’re not North Korea, we’re all happy, right?
ID is available to anyone who wants it.
You're funnier than Ricky Gervais
There’s data on voters and ID, I’m sure you’ve seen it, because you’re pretty sharp.
Which means you know I’m right. The ID scheme impacts poor and minorities disproportionately.
Does it bollocks, anyone who wants an ID will be provided one.
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I didn’t say they wouldn’t. I said it impacts poor and minorities disproportionately. Data backs that up.
Some groups are less likely to be aware of changes to voting rules, less likely to have an acceptable form of ID, less likely to have time to arrange ID.
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"Pretty much every celebrity on the planet backed Clinton in 2016 and look where it got her.
The Left generally has a problem with celebrity. The Labour Party has always sought celebrity endorsements as did the Remainers in 2016.
It just makes them look vacuous.
It's like they think the electorate are just shallow thickies who spend all their time watching TV so really care what Benedict Cumberbatch’s opinion on the single market is.
‘Most’ celebrities are intelligent successful people so it makes sense that they will annoy the sad bitter failures on the right , they hate to see people doing well
The true face of the modern Left.
In thrall to celebrity and success.
Dismissive of ordinary people.
The true face of the bitter right,
In thrall to conspiracy theories
Dismissive of the educated and successful
It's scary how totalitarian the left seem to be going. Let's take the vote away from all these uneducated conspiracy theorists? Maybe only people educated to degree level get the vote?
Where did I say that? There is a reason why right wing parties don’t invest adequately in education, it is to keep the general population stupid . It is far easier to fool a nation of fools
You where being really condescending to people less educated then yourself and righting off there lived experiences..
"To keep the general population stupid" Wow.. Now who's starting to sound like a conspiracy theorist?
Authoritarian governments always go after the intellectuals and artists, there’s a reason for that.
Oh come on! Are you suggesting the UK government is Authoritarian
The Tory government since 2019 has been considerably more authoritarian than any we’ve seen in our lifetimes.
I think you should pop yourself over to China, Russia, Iran, Cuba or N Korea and see how you feel then...
I don’t recall comparing them to other nations. I said more authoritarian than any we’ve seen in our lifetimes.
Do you disagree?
Yes I do, because you are misleading or unaware that it is crucial to differentiate between exercising authority to govern and the systemic features of authoritarianism. Totally unrelated to our country and nothing to do with disliking specific laws or policies.....
So out of interest, how authoritarian would they have to get before you accepted them as the most authoritarian govt of your lifetime?
And which British govt that you’ve seen in action would you say is/was the most authoritarian?
You are still phrasing your questions incorrectly."
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"Not to mention changing electoral rules that favour their voter base and disenfranchise the poor and minorities. That’s pretty authoritarian.
But just so long as we’re not North Korea, we’re all happy, right?
ID is available to anyone who wants it.
You're funnier than Ricky Gervais
There’s data on voters and ID, I’m sure you’ve seen it, because you’re pretty sharp.
Which means you know I’m right. The ID scheme impacts poor and minorities disproportionately.
Does it bollocks, anyone who wants an ID will be provided one.
I didn’t say they wouldn’t. I said it impacts poor and minorities disproportionately. Data backs that up.
Some groups are less likely to be aware of changes to voting rules, less likely to have an acceptable form of ID, less likely to have time to arrange ID.
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I call bullshit, it has been very well publicised and for more than long enough to arrange.
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"Not to mention changing electoral rules that favour their voter base and disenfranchise the poor and minorities. That’s pretty authoritarian.
But just so long as we’re not North Korea, we’re all happy, right?
ID is available to anyone who wants it.
You're funnier than Ricky Gervais
There’s data on voters and ID, I’m sure you’ve seen it, because you’re pretty sharp.
Which means you know I’m right. The ID scheme impacts poor and minorities disproportionately."
. Just because you are either poor or from a minority does not give you a right to ignore the rules.
Maybe someone who is incapable of providing ID should not be allowed the vote . Verifying who you are is hardly difficult. It is standard practice in most organisations. Why should voting be different. We need to flush out those attempting to vote illegally. |
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"Not to mention changing electoral rules that favour their voter base and disenfranchise the poor and minorities. That’s pretty authoritarian.
But just so long as we’re not North Korea, we’re all happy, right?
ID is available to anyone who wants it.
You're funnier than Ricky Gervais
There’s data on voters and ID, I’m sure you’ve seen it, because you’re pretty sharp.
Which means you know I’m right. The ID scheme impacts poor and minorities disproportionately.
Does it bollocks, anyone who wants an ID will be provided one.
I didn’t say they wouldn’t. I said it impacts poor and minorities disproportionately. Data backs that up.
Some groups are less likely to be aware of changes to voting rules, less likely to have an acceptable form of ID, less likely to have time to arrange ID.
I call bullshit, it has been very well publicised and for more than long enough to arrange.
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Just because you call bullshit, doesn’t mean it isn’t true.
https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/research-reports-and-data/our-reports-and-data-past-elections-and-referendums/voter-id-may-2023-local-elections-england-interim-analysis
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"Not to mention changing electoral rules that favour their voter base and disenfranchise the poor and minorities. That’s pretty authoritarian.
But just so long as we’re not North Korea, we’re all happy, right?
ID is available to anyone who wants it.
You're funnier than Ricky Gervais
There’s data on voters and ID, I’m sure you’ve seen it, because you’re pretty sharp.
Which means you know I’m right. The ID scheme impacts poor and minorities disproportionately.. Just because you are either poor or from a minority does not give you a right to ignore the rules.
Maybe someone who is incapable of providing ID should not be allowed the vote . Verifying who you are is hardly difficult. It is standard practice in most organisations. Why should voting be different. We need to flush out those attempting to vote illegally. "
How many people (a percentage is fine) attempted to vote illegally prior to the ID requirement? I presume you’ve done some research on this? |
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"I must say our resident leftists are getting a bit of drubbing on this one, some good humoured banter along the way too. "
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"Not to mention changing electoral rules that favour their voter base and disenfranchise the poor and minorities. That’s pretty authoritarian.
But just so long as we’re not North Korea, we’re all happy, right?
ID is available to anyone who wants it.
You're funnier than Ricky Gervais
There’s data on voters and ID, I’m sure you’ve seen it, because you’re pretty sharp.
Which means you know I’m right. The ID scheme impacts poor and minorities disproportionately.. Just because you are either poor or from a minority does not give you a right to ignore the rules.
Maybe someone who is incapable of providing ID should not be allowed the vote . Verifying who you are is hardly difficult. It is standard practice in most organisations. Why should voting be different. We need to flush out those attempting to vote illegally. "
Despite these changes the tories will still get a spanking at the next GE |
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"Not to mention changing electoral rules that favour their voter base and disenfranchise the poor and minorities. That’s pretty authoritarian.
But just so long as we’re not North Korea, we’re all happy, right?
ID is available to anyone who wants it.
You're funnier than Ricky Gervais
There’s data on voters and ID, I’m sure you’ve seen it, because you’re pretty sharp.
Which means you know I’m right. The ID scheme impacts poor and minorities disproportionately.. Just because you are either poor or from a minority does not give you a right to ignore the rules.
Maybe someone who is incapable of providing ID should not be allowed the vote . Verifying who you are is hardly difficult. It is standard practice in most organisations. Why should voting be different. We need to flush out those attempting to vote illegally.
Despite these changes the tories will still get a spanking at the next GE "
Even with the new boundary changes that were designed to help them |
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"Not to mention changing electoral rules that favour their voter base and disenfranchise the poor and minorities. That’s pretty authoritarian.
But just so long as we’re not North Korea, we’re all happy, right?
ID is available to anyone who wants it.
You're funnier than Ricky Gervais
There’s data on voters and ID, I’m sure you’ve seen it, because you’re pretty sharp.
Which means you know I’m right. The ID scheme impacts poor and minorities disproportionately.. Just because you are either poor or from a minority does not give you a right to ignore the rules.
Maybe someone who is incapable of providing ID should not be allowed the vote . Verifying who you are is hardly difficult. It is standard practice in most organisations. Why should voting be different. We need to flush out those attempting to vote illegally.
Despite these changes the tories will still get a spanking at the next GE
Even with the new boundary changes that were designed to help them "
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"Not to mention changing electoral rules that favour their voter base and disenfranchise the poor and minorities. That’s pretty authoritarian.
But just so long as we’re not North Korea, we’re all happy, right?
ID is available to anyone who wants it.
You're funnier than Ricky Gervais
There’s data on voters and ID, I’m sure you’ve seen it, because you’re pretty sharp.
Which means you know I’m right. The ID scheme impacts poor and minorities disproportionately.
Does it bollocks, anyone who wants an ID will be provided one.
I didn’t say they wouldn’t. I said it impacts poor and minorities disproportionately. Data backs that up.
Some groups are less likely to be aware of changes to voting rules, less likely to have an acceptable form of ID, less likely to have time to arrange ID.
I call bullshit, it has been very well publicised and for more than long enough to arrange.
Just because you call bullshit, doesn’t mean it isn’t true.
https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/research-reports-and-data/our-reports-and-data-past-elections-and-referendums/voter-id-may-2023-local-elections-england-interim-analysis
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Over 80% of people were aware and over 90% of people polled directly after.
The Government allocated £4.75 million of additional funding to all local authorities with local elections in May 2023 to support communications about voter ID.
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So why are the right so scared of Taylor Swift?
Is it what she potentially represents… or mobilise a section of the population to vote that may normally be underrepresented? |
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"Not to mention changing electoral rules that favour their voter base and disenfranchise the poor and minorities. That’s pretty authoritarian.
But just so long as we’re not North Korea, we’re all happy, right?
ID is available to anyone who wants it.
You're funnier than Ricky Gervais
There’s data on voters and ID, I’m sure you’ve seen it, because you’re pretty sharp.
Which means you know I’m right. The ID scheme impacts poor and minorities disproportionately.
Does it bollocks, anyone who wants an ID will be provided one.
I didn’t say they wouldn’t. I said it impacts poor and minorities disproportionately. Data backs that up.
Some groups are less likely to be aware of changes to voting rules, less likely to have an acceptable form of ID, less likely to have time to arrange ID.
I call bullshit, it has been very well publicised and for more than long enough to arrange.
Just because you call bullshit, doesn’t mean it isn’t true.
https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/research-reports-and-data/our-reports-and-data-past-elections-and-referendums/voter-id-may-2023-local-elections-england-interim-analysis
Over 80% of people were aware and over 90% of people polled directly after.
The Government allocated £4.75 million of additional funding to all local authorities with local elections in May 2023 to support communications about voter ID.
You cannot educate people who are walking around with their eyes and ears closed. "
And of those who weren’t, most likely to be affected were the young, minorities, unemployed etc? As I said?
And the percentage of non-voters who chose not to vote *because* of ID? Around 4%?
So it seems that it’s not ‘bollocks’ after all. |
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By *otMe66Man 42 weeks ago
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"Pretty much every celebrity on the planet backed Clinton in 2016 and look where it got her.
The Left generally has a problem with celebrity. The Labour Party has always sought celebrity endorsements as did the Remainers in 2016.
It just makes them look vacuous.
It's like they think the electorate are just shallow thickies who spend all their time watching TV so really care what Benedict Cumberbatch’s opinion on the single market is.
‘Most’ celebrities are intelligent successful people so it makes sense that they will annoy the sad bitter failures on the right , they hate to see people doing well
The true face of the modern Left.
In thrall to celebrity and success.
Dismissive of ordinary people.
The true face of the bitter right,
In thrall to conspiracy theories
Dismissive of the educated and successful
It's scary how totalitarian the left seem to be going. Let's take the vote away from all these uneducated conspiracy theorists? Maybe only people educated to degree level get the vote?
Where did I say that? There is a reason why right wing parties don’t invest adequately in education, it is to keep the general population stupid . It is far easier to fool a nation of fools
You where being really condescending to people less educated then yourself and righting off there lived experiences..
"To keep the general population stupid" Wow.. Now who's starting to sound like a conspiracy theorist?
Authoritarian governments always go after the intellectuals and artists, there’s a reason for that.
Oh come on! Are you suggesting the UK government is Authoritarian
The Tory government since 2019 has been considerably more authoritarian than any we’ve seen in our lifetimes.
I think you should pop yourself over to China, Russia, Iran, Cuba or N Korea and see how you feel then...
I don’t recall comparing them to other nations. I said more authoritarian than any we’ve seen in our lifetimes.
Do you disagree?
Yes I do, because you are misleading or unaware that it is crucial to differentiate between exercising authority to govern and the systemic features of authoritarianism. Totally unrelated to our country and nothing to do with disliking specific laws or policies.....
So out of interest, how authoritarian would they have to get before you accepted them as the most authoritarian govt of your lifetime?
And which British govt that you’ve seen in action would you say is/was the most authoritarian?
You are still phrasing your questions incorrectly.
My question was phrased perfectly, because I’d like to know your answer. "
They would need to do a lot, but those freedoms we have are not going anywhere as we live in a democracy and not an authoritarian state.
That is why I can’t answer your question, because our parliament, monarchy and way of life would need to change drastically.
Now if you are bitching about laws that came in to tackle junior doctors strikes that are killing people because of outrageous demands of 30% plus pay rises, I’m not seeing that as authoritarian. Nor am I the train services minimum service, or that we need voter ID, free to those that need it.
But as I said right at the start, pop yourself off to N Korea and let me know how you get on telling them how they should be doing things |
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"Not to mention changing electoral rules that favour their voter base and disenfranchise the poor and minorities. That’s pretty authoritarian.
But just so long as we’re not North Korea, we’re all happy, right?
ID is available to anyone who wants it.
You're funnier than Ricky Gervais
There’s data on voters and ID, I’m sure you’ve seen it, because you’re pretty sharp.
Which means you know I’m right. The ID scheme impacts poor and minorities disproportionately.
Does it bollocks, anyone who wants an ID will be provided one.
I didn’t say they wouldn’t. I said it impacts poor and minorities disproportionately. Data backs that up.
Some groups are less likely to be aware of changes to voting rules, less likely to have an acceptable form of ID, less likely to have time to arrange ID.
I call bullshit, it has been very well publicised and for more than long enough to arrange.
Just because you call bullshit, doesn’t mean it isn’t true.
https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/research-reports-and-data/our-reports-and-data-past-elections-and-referendums/voter-id-may-2023-local-elections-england-interim-analysis
Over 80% of people were aware and over 90% of people polled directly after.
The Government allocated £4.75 million of additional funding to all local authorities with local elections in May 2023 to support communications about voter ID.
You cannot educate people who are walking around with their eyes and ears closed.
And of those who weren’t, most likely to be affected were the young, minorities, unemployed etc? As I said?
And the percentage of non-voters who chose not to vote *because* of ID? Around 4%?
So it seems that it’s not ‘bollocks’ after all. "
Read all of your words, at no point did you say 'most likely'. You said 'disenfranchise poor and minorities', 'impacts poor and disenfranchised', 'are less likely to be aware'.
They are all definitive statements.
Who gives a fuck if people wanted to 'take a stand' and not vote because of it, that's individual choice.
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Now if you are bitching about laws that came in to tackle junior doctors strikes that are killing people because of outrageous demands of 30% plus pay rises, I’m not seeing that as authoritarian. Nor am I the train services minimum service…
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No, of course you don’t see restrictions on people’s right to strike as authoritarian.
Maybe if you think long and hard enough about it, you’ll understand why you don’t.
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"I think this thread has gone in every direction other than the one I think I intended.. so let me ask the question
So why are the right so scared of Taylor Swift?
Is it what she potentially represents… or mobilise a section of the population to vote that may normally be underrepresented? "
Dude if Taylor Swift is the only way that Biden can win he is seriously fucked.
How’s the polling in those swing States looking? |
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"I think this thread has gone in every direction other than the one I think I intended.. so let me ask the question
So why are the right so scared of Taylor Swift?
Is it what she potentially represents… or mobilise a section of the population to vote that may normally be underrepresented?
Dude if Taylor Swift is the only way that Biden can win he is seriously fucked.
How’s the polling in those swing States looking?"
It’s nothing to do with Biden.
Snowflakes are attacking her at every opportunity because she’s dating an NFL player. They’re also attacking the NFL because in a 3 hour broadcast, Taylor was on screen for 24 seconds. |
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Now if you are bitching about laws that came in to tackle junior doctors strikes that are killing people because of outrageous demands of 30% plus pay rises, I’m not seeing that as authoritarian. Nor am I the train services minimum service…
No, of course you don’t see restrictions on people’s right to strike as authoritarian.
Maybe if you think long and hard enough about it, you’ll understand why you don’t.
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I’m all in favour of people’s right to strike. And I’m also in favour of governments running public and publicly funded services for the benefit of the country and not just those who work in them.
This government hasn’t got the nuts to confront the self interested unions, and neither will Starmer. But sooner or later we will have to deal with the vested interests in the medical and rail unions who are holding the country to ransom for their own selfish benefit. |
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By *otMe66Man 42 weeks ago
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Now if you are bitching about laws that came in to tackle junior doctors strikes that are killing people because of outrageous demands of 30% plus pay rises, I’m not seeing that as authoritarian. Nor am I the train services minimum service…
No, of course you don’t see restrictions on people’s right to strike as authoritarian.
Maybe if you think long and hard enough about it, you’ll understand why you don’t.
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It is not all persons right to strike being stopped, it is asking for a minimum service level so the people who need life saving surgery can still have a chance to get the help they need, and people who are reliant on trains to work and put a roof over their families heads, can get there, not as easy as before but can. Minimum service, not stopping everyone from striking….
You are very disingenuous, selective in who you will provide help for as long as it satisfies your needs that is.
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"I think this thread has gone in every direction other than the one I think I intended.. so let me ask the question
So why are the right so scared of Taylor Swift?
Is it what she potentially represents… or mobilise a section of the population to vote that may normally be underrepresented?
Dude if Taylor Swift is the only way that Biden can win he is seriously fucked.
How’s the polling in those swing States looking?
It’s nothing to do with Biden.
Snowflakes are attacking her at every opportunity because she’s dating an NFL player. They’re also attacking the NFL because in a 3 hour broadcast, Taylor was on screen for 24 seconds."
“Taylor”.
Hysterical. You’re on first name terms. |
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By *abio OP Man 42 weeks ago
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"I think this thread has gone in every direction other than the one I think I intended.. so let me ask the question
So why are the right so scared of Taylor Swift?
Is it what she potentially represents… or mobilise a section of the population to vote that may normally be underrepresented?
Dude if Taylor Swift is the only way that Biden can win he is seriously fucked.
How’s the polling in those swing States looking?
It’s nothing to do with Biden.
Snowflakes are attacking her at every opportunity because she’s dating an NFL player. They’re also attacking the NFL because in a 3 hour broadcast, Taylor was on screen for 24 seconds."
They are going after her for something she hasn’t actually done yet… or they are scared she is going to do…
It’s like a preemptive strike!
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Now if you are bitching about laws that came in to tackle junior doctors strikes that are killing people because of outrageous demands of 30% plus pay rises, I’m not seeing that as authoritarian. Nor am I the train services minimum service…
No, of course you don’t see restrictions on people’s right to strike as authoritarian.
Maybe if you think long and hard enough about it, you’ll understand why you don’t.
It is not all persons right to strike being stopped, it is asking for a minimum service level so the people who need life saving surgery can still have a chance to get the help they need, and people who are reliant on trains to work and put a roof over their families heads, can get there, not as easy as before but can. Minimum service, not stopping everyone from striking….
You are very disingenuous, selective in who you will provide help for as long as it satisfies your needs that is.
authoritarian in fact "
Minimum service levels do restrict an individuals right to strike.
Someone votes for strike in a legal ballot. The vote goes through. Two weeks later the strike day arrives and MSL has been put in place. Some staff who voted for strike action are made to attend work - if they fail to do so will be liable for disciplinary action.
You are trying to frame an emotional argument against the fact that this government has introduced anti-strike legislation, which you claim is not authoritative. |
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"I think this thread has gone in every direction other than the one I think I intended.. so let me ask the question
So why are the right so scared of Taylor Swift?
Is it what she potentially represents… or mobilise a section of the population to vote that may normally be underrepresented?
Dude if Taylor Swift is the only way that Biden can win he is seriously fucked.
How’s the polling in those swing States looking?
It’s nothing to do with Biden.
Snowflakes are attacking her at every opportunity because she’s dating an NFL player. They’re also attacking the NFL because in a 3 hour broadcast, Taylor was on screen for 24 seconds.
“Taylor”.
Hysterical. You’re on first name terms."
What should I call her? Miss Swift? Travis Kelce’s GF? Swifty? |
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"I think this thread has gone in every direction other than the one I think I intended.. so let me ask the question
So why are the right so scared of Taylor Swift?
Is it what she potentially represents… or mobilise a section of the population to vote that may normally be underrepresented?
Dude if Taylor Swift is the only way that Biden can win he is seriously fucked.
How’s the polling in those swing States looking?
It’s nothing to do with Biden.
Snowflakes are attacking her at every opportunity because she’s dating an NFL player. They’re also attacking the NFL because in a 3 hour broadcast, Taylor was on screen for 24 seconds.
“Taylor”.
Hysterical. You’re on first name terms.
What should I call her? Miss Swift? Travis Kelce’s GF? Swifty?"
I’m pretty sure it would be Miss Swift to you. |
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By *otMe66Man 42 weeks ago
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Now if you are bitching about laws that came in to tackle junior doctors strikes that are killing people because of outrageous demands of 30% plus pay rises, I’m not seeing that as authoritarian. Nor am I the train services minimum service…
No, of course you don’t see restrictions on people’s right to strike as authoritarian.
Maybe if you think long and hard enough about it, you’ll understand why you don’t.
It is not all persons right to strike being stopped, it is asking for a minimum service level so the people who need life saving surgery can still have a chance to get the help they need, and people who are reliant on trains to work and put a roof over their families heads, can get there, not as easy as before but can. Minimum service, not stopping everyone from striking….
You are very disingenuous, selective in who you will provide help for as long as it satisfies your needs that is.
authoritarian in fact
Minimum service levels do restrict an individuals right to strike.
Someone votes for strike in a legal ballot. The vote goes through. Two weeks later the strike day arrives and MSL has been put in place. Some staff who voted for strike action are made to attend work - if they fail to do so will be liable for disciplinary action.
You are trying to frame an emotional argument against the fact that this government has introduced anti-strike legislation, which you claim is not authoritative."
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By *otMe66Man 42 weeks ago
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"I think this thread has gone in every direction other than the one I think I intended.. so let me ask the question
So why are the right so scared of Taylor Swift?
Is it what she potentially represents… or mobilise a section of the population to vote that may normally be underrepresented?
Dude if Taylor Swift is the only way that Biden can win he is seriously fucked.
How’s the polling in those swing States looking?
It’s nothing to do with Biden.
Snowflakes are attacking her at every opportunity because she’s dating an NFL player. They’re also attacking the NFL because in a 3 hour broadcast, Taylor was on screen for 24 seconds.
They are going after her for something she hasn’t actually done yet… or they are scared she is going to do…
It’s like a preemptive strike!
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Now if you are bitching about laws that came in to tackle junior doctors strikes that are killing people because of outrageous demands of 30% plus pay rises, I’m not seeing that as authoritarian. Nor am I the train services minimum service…
No, of course you don’t see restrictions on people’s right to strike as authoritarian.
Maybe if you think long and hard enough about it, you’ll understand why you don’t.
It is not all persons right to strike being stopped, it is asking for a minimum service level so the people who need life saving surgery can still have a chance to get the help they need, and people who are reliant on trains to work and put a roof over their families heads, can get there, not as easy as before but can. Minimum service, not stopping everyone from striking….
You are very disingenuous, selective in who you will provide help for as long as it satisfies your needs that is.
authoritarian in fact
Minimum service levels do restrict an individuals right to strike.
Someone votes for strike in a legal ballot. The vote goes through. Two weeks later the strike day arrives and MSL has been put in place. Some staff who voted for strike action are made to attend work - if they fail to do so will be liable for disciplinary action.
You are trying to frame an emotional argument against the fact that this government has introduced anti-strike legislation, which you claim is not authoritative.
Have we had any minimal service levels put in place? That is a rhetorical question "
LNER/The DFT attempted to put one in. ASLEF countered with additional strikes days (which would have also been subject to MSL). The DFT/LNER backed down.
And that’s why MSL are ineffective as well as being anti-democratic. |
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By *otMe66Man 42 weeks ago
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Now if you are bitching about laws that came in to tackle junior doctors strikes that are killing people because of outrageous demands of 30% plus pay rises, I’m not seeing that as authoritarian. Nor am I the train services minimum service…
No, of course you don’t see restrictions on people’s right to strike as authoritarian.
Maybe if you think long and hard enough about it, you’ll understand why you don’t.
It is not all persons right to strike being stopped, it is asking for a minimum service level so the people who need life saving surgery can still have a chance to get the help they need, and people who are reliant on trains to work and put a roof over their families heads, can get there, not as easy as before but can. Minimum service, not stopping everyone from striking….
You are very disingenuous, selective in who you will provide help for as long as it satisfies your needs that is.
authoritarian in fact
Minimum service levels do restrict an individuals right to strike.
Someone votes for strike in a legal ballot. The vote goes through. Two weeks later the strike day arrives and MSL has been put in place. Some staff who voted for strike action are made to attend work - if they fail to do so will be liable for disciplinary action.
You are trying to frame an emotional argument against the fact that this government has introduced anti-strike legislation, which you claim is not authoritative.
Have we had any minimal service levels put in place? That is a rhetorical question
LNER/The DFT attempted to put one in. ASLEF countered with additional strikes days (which would have also been subject to MSL). The DFT/LNER backed down.
And that’s why MSL are ineffective as well as being anti-democratic."
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Now if you are bitching about laws that came in to tackle junior doctors strikes that are killing people because of outrageous demands of 30% plus pay rises, I’m not seeing that as authoritarian. Nor am I the train services minimum service…
No, of course you don’t see restrictions on people’s right to strike as authoritarian.
Maybe if you think long and hard enough about it, you’ll understand why you don’t.
It is not all persons right to strike being stopped, it is asking for a minimum service level so the people who need life saving surgery can still have a chance to get the help they need, and people who are reliant on trains to work and put a roof over their families heads, can get there, not as easy as before but can. Minimum service, not stopping everyone from striking….
You are very disingenuous, selective in who you will provide help for as long as it satisfies your needs that is.
authoritarian in fact
Minimum service levels do restrict an individuals right to strike.
Someone votes for strike in a legal ballot. The vote goes through. Two weeks later the strike day arrives and MSL has been put in place. Some staff who voted for strike action are made to attend work - if they fail to do so will be liable for disciplinary action.
You are trying to frame an emotional argument against the fact that this government has introduced anti-strike legislation, which you claim is not authoritative.
Have we had any minimal service levels put in place? That is a rhetorical question
LNER/The DFT attempted to put one in. ASLEF countered with additional strikes days (which would have also been subject to MSL). The DFT/LNER backed down.
And that’s why MSL are ineffective as well as being anti-democratic.
Was the answer to question, No there have been no minimum services provided?"
The answer was quite clear. The DFT tried to enforce it and then shit their pants when ASLEF countered
But that’s not the point - the government still introduced anti-strike legislation. They have attacked the individual’s right to withdraw their labour. An act of authoritarianism.
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Now if you are bitching about laws that came in to tackle junior doctors strikes that are killing people because of outrageous demands of 30% plus pay rises, I’m not seeing that as authoritarian. Nor am I the train services minimum service…
No, of course you don’t see restrictions on people’s right to strike as authoritarian.
Maybe if you think long and hard enough about it, you’ll understand why you don’t.
It is not all persons right to strike being stopped, it is asking for a minimum service level so the people who need life saving surgery can still have a chance to get the help they need, and people who are reliant on trains to work and put a roof over their families heads, can get there, not as easy as before but can. Minimum service, not stopping everyone from striking….
You are very disingenuous, selective in who you will provide help for as long as it satisfies your needs that is.
authoritarian in fact
Minimum service levels do restrict an individuals right to strike.
Someone votes for strike in a legal ballot. The vote goes through. Two weeks later the strike day arrives and MSL has been put in place. Some staff who voted for strike action are made to attend work - if they fail to do so will be liable for disciplinary action.
You are trying to frame an emotional argument against the fact that this government has introduced anti-strike legislation, which you claim is not authoritative."
It wasn't needed for nursing staff as the NMC already had minimum service level in place. |
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By *otMe66Man 42 weeks ago
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Now if you are bitching about laws that came in to tackle junior doctors strikes that are killing people because of outrageous demands of 30% plus pay rises, I’m not seeing that as authoritarian. Nor am I the train services minimum service…
No, of course you don’t see restrictions on people’s right to strike as authoritarian.
Maybe if you think long and hard enough about it, you’ll understand why you don’t.
It is not all persons right to strike being stopped, it is asking for a minimum service level so the people who need life saving surgery can still have a chance to get the help they need, and people who are reliant on trains to work and put a roof over their families heads, can get there, not as easy as before but can. Minimum service, not stopping everyone from striking….
You are very disingenuous, selective in who you will provide help for as long as it satisfies your needs that is.
authoritarian in fact
Minimum service levels do restrict an individuals right to strike.
Someone votes for strike in a legal ballot. The vote goes through. Two weeks later the strike day arrives and MSL has been put in place. Some staff who voted for strike action are made to attend work - if they fail to do so will be liable for disciplinary action.
You are trying to frame an emotional argument against the fact that this government has introduced anti-strike legislation, which you claim is not authoritative.
Have we had any minimal service levels put in place? That is a rhetorical question
LNER/The DFT attempted to put one in. ASLEF countered with additional strikes days (which would have also been subject to MSL). The DFT/LNER backed down.
And that’s why MSL are ineffective as well as being anti-democratic.
Was the answer to question, No there have been no minimum services provided?
The answer was quite clear. The DFT tried to enforce it and then shit their pants when ASLEF countered
But that’s not the point - the government still introduced anti-strike legislation. They have attacked the individual’s right to withdraw their labour. An act of authoritarianism.
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By *otMe66Man 42 weeks ago
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Now if you are bitching about laws that came in to tackle junior doctors strikes that are killing people because of outrageous demands of 30% plus pay rises, I’m not seeing that as authoritarian. Nor am I the train services minimum service…
No, of course you don’t see restrictions on people’s right to strike as authoritarian.
Maybe if you think long and hard enough about it, you’ll understand why you don’t.
It is not all persons right to strike being stopped, it is asking for a minimum service level so the people who need life saving surgery can still have a chance to get the help they need, and people who are reliant on trains to work and put a roof over their families heads, can get there, not as easy as before but can. Minimum service, not stopping everyone from striking….
You are very disingenuous, selective in who you will provide help for as long as it satisfies your needs that is.
authoritarian in fact
Minimum service levels do restrict an individuals right to strike.
Someone votes for strike in a legal ballot. The vote goes through. Two weeks later the strike day arrives and MSL has been put in place. Some staff who voted for strike action are made to attend work - if they fail to do so will be liable for disciplinary action.
You are trying to frame an emotional argument against the fact that this government has introduced anti-strike legislation, which you claim is not authoritative.
It wasn't needed for nursing staff as the NMC already had minimum service level in place."
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Now if you are bitching about laws that came in to tackle junior doctors strikes that are killing people because of outrageous demands of 30% plus pay rises, I’m not seeing that as authoritarian. Nor am I the train services minimum service…
No, of course you don’t see restrictions on people’s right to strike as authoritarian.
Maybe if you think long and hard enough about it, you’ll understand why you don’t.
It is not all persons right to strike being stopped, it is asking for a minimum service level so the people who need life saving surgery can still have a chance to get the help they need, and people who are reliant on trains to work and put a roof over their families heads, can get there, not as easy as before but can. Minimum service, not stopping everyone from striking….
You are very disingenuous, selective in who you will provide help for as long as it satisfies your needs that is.
authoritarian in fact
Minimum service levels do restrict an individuals right to strike.
Someone votes for strike in a legal ballot. The vote goes through. Two weeks later the strike day arrives and MSL has been put in place. Some staff who voted for strike action are made to attend work - if they fail to do so will be liable for disciplinary action.
You are trying to frame an emotional argument against the fact that this government has introduced anti-strike legislation, which you claim is not authoritative.
Have we had any minimal service levels put in place? That is a rhetorical question
LNER/The DFT attempted to put one in. ASLEF countered with additional strikes days (which would have also been subject to MSL). The DFT/LNER backed down.
And that’s why MSL are ineffective as well as being anti-democratic.
Was the answer to question, No there have been no minimum services provided?
The answer was quite clear. The DFT tried to enforce it and then shit their pants when ASLEF countered
But that’s not the point - the government still introduced anti-strike legislation. They have attacked the individual’s right to withdraw their labour. An act of authoritarianism.
Individuals no numbers yes"
The individuals who are TOLD to turn up for work have had their right to strike removed. |
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By *otMe66Man 42 weeks ago
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Now if you are bitching about laws that came in to tackle junior doctors strikes that are killing people because of outrageous demands of 30% plus pay rises, I’m not seeing that as authoritarian. Nor am I the train services minimum service…
No, of course you don’t see restrictions on people’s right to strike as authoritarian.
Maybe if you think long and hard enough about it, you’ll understand why you don’t.
It is not all persons right to strike being stopped, it is asking for a minimum service level so the people who need life saving surgery can still have a chance to get the help they need, and people who are reliant on trains to work and put a roof over their families heads, can get there, not as easy as before but can. Minimum service, not stopping everyone from striking….
You are very disingenuous, selective in who you will provide help for as long as it satisfies your needs that is.
authoritarian in fact
Minimum service levels do restrict an individuals right to strike.
Someone votes for strike in a legal ballot. The vote goes through. Two weeks later the strike day arrives and MSL has been put in place. Some staff who voted for strike action are made to attend work - if they fail to do so will be liable for disciplinary action.
You are trying to frame an emotional argument against the fact that this government has introduced anti-strike legislation, which you claim is not authoritative.
Have we had any minimal service levels put in place? That is a rhetorical question
LNER/The DFT attempted to put one in. ASLEF countered with additional strikes days (which would have also been subject to MSL). The DFT/LNER backed down.
And that’s why MSL are ineffective as well as being anti-democratic.
Was the answer to question, No there have been no minimum services provided?
The answer was quite clear. The DFT tried to enforce it and then shit their pants when ASLEF countered
But that’s not the point - the government still introduced anti-strike legislation. They have attacked the individual’s right to withdraw their labour. An act of authoritarianism.
Individuals no numbers yes
The individuals who are TOLD to turn up for work have had their right to strike removed."
You do understand that not all workers want to strike? You amplify the mistrust people have of unions.... |
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Now if you are bitching about laws that came in to tackle junior doctors strikes that are killing people because of outrageous demands of 30% plus pay rises, I’m not seeing that as authoritarian. Nor am I the train services minimum service…
No, of course you don’t see restrictions on people’s right to strike as authoritarian.
Maybe if you think long and hard enough about it, you’ll understand why you don’t.
It is not all persons right to strike being stopped, it is asking for a minimum service level so the people who need life saving surgery can still have a chance to get the help they need, and people who are reliant on trains to work and put a roof over their families heads, can get there, not as easy as before but can. Minimum service, not stopping everyone from striking….
You are very disingenuous, selective in who you will provide help for as long as it satisfies your needs that is.
authoritarian in fact
Minimum service levels do restrict an individuals right to strike.
Someone votes for strike in a legal ballot. The vote goes through. Two weeks later the strike day arrives and MSL has been put in place. Some staff who voted for strike action are made to attend work - if they fail to do so will be liable for disciplinary action.
You are trying to frame an emotional argument against the fact that this government has introduced anti-strike legislation, which you claim is not authoritative.
Have we had any minimal service levels put in place? That is a rhetorical question
LNER/The DFT attempted to put one in. ASLEF countered with additional strikes days (which would have also been subject to MSL). The DFT/LNER backed down.
And that’s why MSL are ineffective as well as being anti-democratic.
Was the answer to question, No there have been no minimum services provided?
The answer was quite clear. The DFT tried to enforce it and then shit their pants when ASLEF countered
But that’s not the point - the government still introduced anti-strike legislation. They have attacked the individual’s right to withdraw their labour. An act of authoritarianism.
Individuals no numbers yes
The individuals who are TOLD to turn up for work have had their right to strike removed.
You do understand that not all workers want to strike? You amplify the mistrust people have of unions...."
If a strike is voted for, then all union members are expected to strike - but now you’re swinging away from the point that this government - which you say is not authoritarian- brought in anti-strike legislation and removed rights from individuals involved. |
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By *irldnCouple 42 weeks ago
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"Not to mention changing electoral rules that favour their voter base and disenfranchise the poor and minorities. That’s pretty authoritarian.
But just so long as we’re not North Korea, we’re all happy, right?"
Because no government in power has ever changed electoral rules or boundaries to favour their chances of winning the next election.
Not one.
Never.
Ever.
Nope, nada, nicht, nowt.
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"Back to the OP and several of the early posts (all I bothered to read) and I find it fairly amusing how people call the Democrats “the left”. In the USA you have at best a centre-right party and a right wing party (with far right hidden in plain sight). There are no left wingers in mainstream US politics. Not even Bernie Sanders "
Democrats are the party of the left. Check out the Pew research into this.
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"Back to the OP and several of the early posts (all I bothered to read) and I find it fairly amusing how people call the Democrats “the left”. In the USA you have at best a centre-right party and a right wing party (with far right hidden in plain sight). There are no left wingers in mainstream US politics. Not even Bernie Sanders "
I think this is a somewhat outdated view.
The Democrats have moved significantly leftward under Biden.
But over recent decades much of Western politics has shifted to the left.
The Tories in the UK are a left of centre party nowadays.
There will inevitably be a pull back to the Right at some point, as we are seeing in Europe. It’s odd that the UK is shifting further to the Left as Europe is swinging to the Right. Another example of us not being that synchronised with Europe I guess. |
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The Tories in the UK are a left of centre party nowadays.
Oh sweet Jesus. We need to start educating kids on politics in school.
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Much of how you view other parties is where you are on the spectrum.
While most countries can agree of a left or right party sits on the scale, Americans seem to see centrist policies as being left. More so than even Italy and Hungary. Sweden see the same party as having right leanings.
American right is more right than American left is left. |
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"Back to the OP and several of the early posts (all I bothered to read) and I find it fairly amusing how people call the Democrats “the left”. In the USA you have at best a centre-right party and a right wing party (with far right hidden in plain sight). There are no left wingers in mainstream US politics. Not even Bernie Sanders
I think this is a somewhat outdated view.
The Democrats have moved significantly leftward under Biden.
But over recent decades much of Western politics has shifted to the left.
The Tories in the UK are a left of centre party nowadays.
There will inevitably be a pull back to the Right at some point, as we are seeing in Europe. It’s odd that the UK is shifting further to the Left as Europe is swinging to the Right. Another example of us not being that synchronised with Europe I guess."
Sometimes you just have to admire a statement being made so brazenly untrue and so badly out of touch.
The Tories have been pulled further to the right than they have been in a long time, by the likes of UKIP and reform. Their main legacies are whipping up hate towards foreigners, Muslims. Lining their pockets with public money. Crushing the least well off in society with austerity. Brexit. None of which indicates left wing.
The Democrats are a centre right party, there's no getting away from it. The US have no mainstream left wing politics. |
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"Back to the OP and several of the early posts (all I bothered to read) and I find it fairly amusing how people call the Democrats “the left”. In the USA you have at best a centre-right party and a right wing party (with far right hidden in plain sight). There are no left wingers in mainstream US politics. Not even Bernie Sanders
I think this is a somewhat outdated view.
The Democrats have moved significantly leftward under Biden.
But over recent decades much of Western politics has shifted to the left.
The Tories in the UK are a left of centre party nowadays.
There will inevitably be a pull back to the Right at some point, as we are seeing in Europe. It’s odd that the UK is shifting further to the Left as Europe is swinging to the Right. Another example of us not being that synchronised with Europe I guess."
Out of interest, where would you have placed Corbyn’s 2017 manifesto, on a left/right scale? |
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The Tories in the UK are a left of centre party nowadays.
Oh sweet Jesus. We need to start educating kids on politics in school.
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We can't have that, people wouldn't vote Tory and wouldn't have voted for Brexit. |
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"Back to the OP and several of the early posts (all I bothered to read) and I find it fairly amusing how people call the Democrats “the left”. In the USA you have at best a centre-right party and a right wing party (with far right hidden in plain sight). There are no left wingers in mainstream US politics. Not even Bernie Sanders
I think this is a somewhat outdated view.
The Democrats have moved significantly leftward under Biden.
But over recent decades much of Western politics has shifted to the left.
The Tories in the UK are a left of centre party nowadays.
There will inevitably be a pull back to the Right at some point, as we are seeing in Europe. It’s odd that the UK is shifting further to the Left as Europe is swinging to the Right. Another example of us not being that synchronised with Europe I guess.
Out of interest, where would you have placed Corbyn’s 2017 manifesto, on a left/right scale?"
Extreme left. Which is why he lost so badly.
The Uk has never elected an extreme left party. Overall the UK has consistently had a right of centre electorate which is why the Conservatives have spent so long in power compared to Labour.
The only time Labour gets into power is if it can convince people that it isn’t an extreme left party, as it is lamely trying to do now. |
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"Back to the OP and several of the early posts (all I bothered to read) and I find it fairly amusing how people call the Democrats “the left”. In the USA you have at best a centre-right party and a right wing party (with far right hidden in plain sight). There are no left wingers in mainstream US politics. Not even Bernie Sanders
I think this is a somewhat outdated view.
The Democrats have moved significantly leftward under Biden.
But over recent decades much of Western politics has shifted to the left.
The Tories in the UK are a left of centre party nowadays.
There will inevitably be a pull back to the Right at some point, as we are seeing in Europe. It’s odd that the UK is shifting further to the Left as Europe is swinging to the Right. Another example of us not being that synchronised with Europe I guess.
Sometimes you just have to admire a statement being made so brazenly untrue and so badly out of touch.
The Tories have been pulled further to the right than they have been in a long time, by the likes of UKIP and reform. Their main legacies are whipping up hate towards foreigners, Muslims. Lining their pockets with public money. Crushing the least well off in society with austerity. Brexit. None of which indicates left wing.
The Democrats are a centre right party, there's no getting away from it. The US have no mainstream left wing politics."
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"Back to the OP and several of the early posts (all I bothered to read) and I find it fairly amusing how people call the Democrats “the left”. In the USA you have at best a centre-right party and a right wing party (with far right hidden in plain sight). There are no left wingers in mainstream US politics. Not even Bernie Sanders
I think this is a somewhat outdated view.
The Democrats have moved significantly leftward under Biden.
But over recent decades much of Western politics has shifted to the left.
The Tories in the UK are a left of centre party nowadays.
There will inevitably be a pull back to the Right at some point, as we are seeing in Europe. It’s odd that the UK is shifting further to the Left as Europe is swinging to the Right. Another example of us not being that synchronised with Europe I guess.
Out of interest, where would you have placed Corbyn’s 2017 manifesto, on a left/right scale?"
Why 2017 and not 2019? |
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"Back to the OP and several of the early posts (all I bothered to read) and I find it fairly amusing how people call the Democrats “the left”. In the USA you have at best a centre-right party and a right wing party (with far right hidden in plain sight). There are no left wingers in mainstream US politics. Not even Bernie Sanders
I think this is a somewhat outdated view.
The Democrats have moved significantly leftward under Biden.
But over recent decades much of Western politics has shifted to the left.
The Tories in the UK are a left of centre party nowadays.
There will inevitably be a pull back to the Right at some point, as we are seeing in Europe. It’s odd that the UK is shifting further to the Left as Europe is swinging to the Right. Another example of us not being that synchronised with Europe I guess.
Out of interest, where would you have placed Corbyn’s 2017 manifesto, on a left/right scale?
Extreme left. Which is why he lost so badly.
The Uk has never elected an extreme left party. Overall the UK has consistently had a right of centre electorate which is why the Conservatives have spent so long in power compared to Labour.
The only time Labour gets into power is if it can convince people that it isn’t an extreme left party, as it is lamely trying to do now."
Lamely? It will easily win the next election |
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I think this is a somewhat outdated view.
The Democrats have moved significantly leftward under Biden.
But over recent decades much of Western politics has shifted to the left.
The Tories in the UK are a left of centre party nowadays.
There will inevitably be a pull back to the Right at some point, as we are seeing in Europe. It’s odd that the UK is shifting further to the Left as Europe is swinging to the Right. Another example of us not being that synchronised with Europe I guess.
Out of interest, where would you have placed Corbyn’s 2017 manifesto, on a left/right scale?
Extreme left. Which is why he lost so badly.
The Uk has never elected an extreme left party. Overall the UK has consistently had a right of centre electorate which is why the Conservatives have spent so long in power compared to Labour.
The only time Labour gets into power is if it can convince people that it isn’t an extreme left party, as it is lamely trying to do now."
Is proposing policies that benefit ordinary people instead of the ultra wealthy or big corporations now "extreme left"? |
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The Tories in the UK are a left of centre party nowadays.
Oh sweet Jesus. We need to start educating kids on politics in school.
Exactly, it is a fact that ‘less’ educated voted for Brexit
We can't have that, people wouldn't vote Tory and wouldn't have voted for Brexit."
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"Back to the OP and several of the early posts (all I bothered to read) and I find it fairly amusing how people call the Democrats “the left”. In the USA you have at best a centre-right party and a right wing party (with far right hidden in plain sight). There are no left wingers in mainstream US politics. Not even Bernie Sanders
I think this is a somewhat outdated view.
The Democrats have moved significantly leftward under Biden.
But over recent decades much of Western politics has shifted to the left.
The Tories in the UK are a left of centre party nowadays.
There will inevitably be a pull back to the Right at some point, as we are seeing in Europe. It’s odd that the UK is shifting further to the Left as Europe is swinging to the Right. Another example of us not being that synchronised with Europe I guess.
Out of interest, where would you have placed Corbyn’s 2017 manifesto, on a left/right scale?
Extreme left. Which is why he lost so badly.
The Uk has never elected an extreme left party. Overall the UK has consistently had a right of centre electorate which is why the Conservatives have spent so long in power compared to Labour.
The only time Labour gets into power is if it can convince people that it isn’t an extreme left party, as it is lamely trying to do now.
Is proposing policies that benefit ordinary people instead of the ultra wealthy or big corporations now "extreme left"?"
That’s just a pointless collection of words.
Why do you think Labour is going to benefit ordinary people more than the current government? I can’t see any meaningful difference between them. Labour will have to sound like the Tories to get elected, and so far all it seems to want to do in general terms is spend more money that it won’t have.
Oh and do something green, though we don’t know what or how much it will cost. But whatever it is will benefit big corporations and ordinary people not one iota. |
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I think this is a somewhat outdated view.
The Democrats have moved significantly leftward under Biden.
But over recent decades much of Western politics has shifted to the left.
The Tories in the UK are a left of centre party nowadays.
There will inevitably be a pull back to the Right at some point, as we are seeing in Europe. It’s odd that the UK is shifting further to the Left as Europe is swinging to the Right. Another example of us not being that synchronised with Europe I guess.
Out of interest, where would you have placed Corbyn’s 2017 manifesto, on a left/right scale?
Extreme left. Which is why he lost so badly.
The Uk has never elected an extreme left party. Overall the UK has consistently had a right of centre electorate which is why the Conservatives have spent so long in power compared to Labour.
The only time Labour gets into power is if it can convince people that it isn’t an extreme left party, as it is lamely trying to do now.
Is proposing policies that benefit ordinary people instead of the ultra wealthy or big corporations now "extreme left"?
That’s just a pointless collection of words.
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No, just a straightforward question.
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Why do you think Labour is going to benefit ordinary people more than the current government?
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I don't really, They've shifted away from anything new or any meaningful change.
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I can’t see any meaningful difference between them. Labour will have to sound like the Tories to get elected,
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100% agree. They can't rock the boat, promise any meaningful change to the system that serves those with the £££.
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and so far all it seems to want to do in general terms is spend more money that it won’t have.
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Before Brexit and before the pandemic, the government had borrowed more money than all previous governments combined. So you can drop the outdated "labour are the party of borrowing" thing.
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Oh and do something green, though we don’t know what or how much it will cost. But whatever it is will benefit big corporations and ordinary people not one iota."
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"Not to mention changing electoral rules that favour their voter base and disenfranchise the poor and minorities. That’s pretty authoritarian.
But just so long as we’re not North Korea, we’re all happy, right?
ID is available to anyone who wants it.
You're funnier than Ricky Gervais
There’s data on voters and ID, I’m sure you’ve seen it, because you’re pretty sharp.
Which means you know I’m right. The ID scheme impacts poor and minorities disproportionately.
Being able to vote and have ID given to you if you are too poor to purchase it yourself, or have any other reason to need it, really pisses on your authoritarian government bonfire, well done
Introducing a voting scheme which disenfranchises the poor and minorities (look at the data) is authoritative. Of course you don’t believe that (and you won’t look at the data) because it doesn’t suit your narrative.
What about the strike legislation? "
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I think this is a somewhat outdated view.
The Democrats have moved significantly leftward under Biden.
But over recent decades much of Western politics has shifted to the left.
The Tories in the UK are a left of centre party nowadays.
There will inevitably be a pull back to the Right at some point, as we are seeing in Europe. It’s odd that the UK is shifting further to the Left as Europe is swinging to the Right. Another example of us not being that synchronised with Europe I guess.
Out of interest, where would you have placed Corbyn’s 2017 manifesto, on a left/right scale?
Extreme left. Which is why he lost so badly.
The Uk has never elected an extreme left party. Overall the UK has consistently had a right of centre electorate which is why the Conservatives have spent so long in power compared to Labour.
The only time Labour gets into power is if it can convince people that it isn’t an extreme left party, as it is lamely trying to do now."
I would say not only are they trying to convince the public that they are not far left but are so close to the conservatives now that you could muddle all the MP's up and no one would know the difference. The other week they said they would keep bankers bonuses as they currently are and now pledged to not increase corporation tax. The hope is that they are not quite as self serving but at present it is just a hope |
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Democrats are the party of the left. Check out the Pew research into this.
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Democrats are to the left of the Republicans but to the left of our Conservatives. |
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"Back to the OP and several of the early posts (all I bothered to read) and I find it fairly amusing how people call the Democrats “the left”. In the USA you have at best a centre-right party and a right wing party (with far right hidden in plain sight). There are no left wingers in mainstream US politics. Not even Bernie Sanders
I think this is a somewhat outdated view.
The Democrats have moved significantly leftward under Biden.
But over recent decades much of Western politics has shifted to the left.
The Tories in the UK are a left of centre party nowadays.
There will inevitably be a pull back to the Right at some point, as we are seeing in Europe. It’s odd that the UK is shifting further to the Left as Europe is swinging to the Right. Another example of us not being that synchronised with Europe I guess.
Out of interest, where would you have placed Corbyn’s 2017 manifesto, on a left/right scale?
Why 2017 and not 2019?"
Because the 2017 manifesto was arguably more radical (and I use that term loosely) than the 2019 one. |
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"Back to the OP and several of the early posts (all I bothered to read) and I find it fairly amusing how people call the Democrats “the left”. In the USA you have at best a centre-right party and a right wing party (with far right hidden in plain sight). There are no left wingers in mainstream US politics. Not even Bernie Sanders
I think this is a somewhat outdated view.
The Democrats have moved significantly leftward under Biden.
But over recent decades much of Western politics has shifted to the left.
The Tories in the UK are a left of centre party nowadays.
There will inevitably be a pull back to the Right at some point, as we are seeing in Europe. It’s odd that the UK is shifting further to the Left as Europe is swinging to the Right. Another example of us not being that synchronised with Europe I guess.
Out of interest, where would you have placed Corbyn’s 2017 manifesto, on a left/right scale?
Extreme left. Which is why he lost so badly.
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Lost so badly? In 2017? That was a hung parliament.
And it wasn’t extreme left at all - though I can se why someone on the right would think so. It was fairly mundane soc-dem policy, common in Scandinavia and such.
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"Back to the OP and several of the early posts (all I bothered to read) and I find it fairly amusing how people call the Democrats “the left”. In the USA you have at best a centre-right party and a right wing party (with far right hidden in plain sight). There are no left wingers in mainstream US politics. Not even Bernie Sanders
I think this is a somewhat outdated view.
The Democrats have moved significantly leftward under Biden.
But over recent decades much of Western politics has shifted to the left.
The Tories in the UK are a left of centre party nowadays.
There will inevitably be a pull back to the Right at some point, as we are seeing in Europe. It’s odd that the UK is shifting further to the Left as Europe is swinging to the Right. Another example of us not being that synchronised with Europe I guess.
Out of interest, where would you have placed Corbyn’s 2017 manifesto, on a left/right scale?
Why 2017 and not 2019?
Because the 2017 manifesto was arguably more radical (and I use that term loosely) than the 2019 one."
In 2019, according to their manifesto matching with political compass, Labour sat:
Economic -4.2
Social 3.0
I'd say that's right on the verge of centre left/left. If they were more radical in 2017, then we can say they were at very least Left. |
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"Back to the OP and several of the early posts (all I bothered to read) and I find it fairly amusing how people call the Democrats “the left”. In the USA you have at best a centre-right party and a right wing party (with far right hidden in plain sight). There are no left wingers in mainstream US politics. Not even Bernie Sanders
I think this is a somewhat outdated view.
The Democrats have moved significantly leftward under Biden.
But over recent decades much of Western politics has shifted to the left.
The Tories in the UK are a left of centre party nowadays.
There will inevitably be a pull back to the Right at some point, as we are seeing in Europe. It’s odd that the UK is shifting further to the Left as Europe is swinging to the Right. Another example of us not being that synchronised with Europe I guess.
Out of interest, where would you have placed Corbyn’s 2017 manifesto, on a left/right scale?
Why 2017 and not 2019?
Because the 2017 manifesto was arguably more radical (and I use that term loosely) than the 2019 one.
In 2019, according to their manifesto matching with political compass, Labour sat:
Economic -4.2
Social 3.0
I'd say that's right on the verge of centre left/left. If they were more radical in 2017, then we can say they were at very least Left. "
It was definitely left - but i’d certainly not frame it as ‘extreme’
And it was very popular. |
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"Back to the OP and several of the early posts (all I bothered to read) and I find it fairly amusing how people call the Democrats “the left”. In the USA you have at best a centre-right party and a right wing party (with far right hidden in plain sight). There are no left wingers in mainstream US politics. Not even Bernie Sanders
I think this is a somewhat outdated view.
The Democrats have moved significantly leftward under Biden.
But over recent decades much of Western politics has shifted to the left.
The Tories in the UK are a left of centre party nowadays.
There will inevitably be a pull back to the Right at some point, as we are seeing in Europe. It’s odd that the UK is shifting further to the Left as Europe is swinging to the Right. Another example of us not being that synchronised with Europe I guess.
Out of interest, where would you have placed Corbyn’s 2017 manifesto, on a left/right scale?
Why 2017 and not 2019?
Because the 2017 manifesto was arguably more radical (and I use that term loosely) than the 2019 one.
In 2019, according to their manifesto matching with political compass, Labour sat:
Economic -4.2
Social 3.0
I'd say that's right on the verge of centre left/left. If they were more radical in 2017, then we can say they were at very least Left.
It was definitely left - but i’d certainly not frame it as ‘extreme’
And it was very popular."
I’m sure there are plenty of people in the Labour Party who think that Corbyn was the best Prime Minister the country never had.
No doubt he was just rob*bed in 2019 by the Murdoch press, Zionists etc. |
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By *otMe66Man 42 weeks ago
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"Back to the OP and several of the early posts (all I bothered to read) and I find it fairly amusing how people call the Democrats “the left”. In the USA you have at best a centre-right party and a right wing party (with far right hidden in plain sight). There are no left wingers in mainstream US politics. Not even Bernie Sanders
I think this is a somewhat outdated view.
The Democrats have moved significantly leftward under Biden.
But over recent decades much of Western politics has shifted to the left.
The Tories in the UK are a left of centre party nowadays.
There will inevitably be a pull back to the Right at some point, as we are seeing in Europe. It’s odd that the UK is shifting further to the Left as Europe is swinging to the Right. Another example of us not being that synchronised with Europe I guess.
Out of interest, where would you have placed Corbyn’s 2017 manifesto, on a left/right scale?
Why 2017 and not 2019?
Because the 2017 manifesto was arguably more radical (and I use that term loosely) than the 2019 one.
In 2019, according to their manifesto matching with political compass, Labour sat:
Economic -4.2
Social 3.0
I'd say that's right on the verge of centre left/left. If they were more radical in 2017, then we can say they were at very least Left.
It was definitely left - but i’d certainly not frame it as ‘extreme’
And it was very popular.
I’m sure there are plenty of people in the Labour Party who think that Corbyn was the best Prime Minister the country never had.
No doubt he was just rob*bed in 2019 by the Murdoch press, Zionists etc."
You forgot to add, and the public being so stupid. |
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"Back to the OP and several of the early posts (all I bothered to read) and I find it fairly amusing how people call the Democrats “the left”. In the USA you have at best a centre-right party and a right wing party (with far right hidden in plain sight). There are no left wingers in mainstream US politics. Not even Bernie Sanders
I think this is a somewhat outdated view.
The Democrats have moved significantly leftward under Biden.
But over recent decades much of Western politics has shifted to the left.
The Tories in the UK are a left of centre party nowadays.
There will inevitably be a pull back to the Right at some point, as we are seeing in Europe. It’s odd that the UK is shifting further to the Left as Europe is swinging to the Right. Another example of us not being that synchronised with Europe I guess.
Out of interest, where would you have placed Corbyn’s 2017 manifesto, on a left/right scale?
Why 2017 and not 2019?
Because the 2017 manifesto was arguably more radical (and I use that term loosely) than the 2019 one.
In 2019, according to their manifesto matching with political compass, Labour sat:
Economic -4.2
Social 3.0
I'd say that's right on the verge of centre left/left. If they were more radical in 2017, then we can say they were at very least Left.
It was definitely left - but i’d certainly not frame it as ‘extreme’
And it was very popular."
Fair.
For comparison the Tories sat -
Economic 3.0
Social 3.7
So much for authoritarian, slightly more so than Labour but still way closer to the middle than 'the far' |
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"Back to the OP and several of the early posts (all I bothered to read) and I find it fairly amusing how people call the Democrats “the left”. In the USA you have at best a centre-right party and a right wing party (with far right hidden in plain sight). There are no left wingers in mainstream US politics. Not even Bernie Sanders
I think this is a somewhat outdated view.
The Democrats have moved significantly leftward under Biden.
But over recent decades much of Western politics has shifted to the left.
The Tories in the UK are a left of centre party nowadays.
There will inevitably be a pull back to the Right at some point, as we are seeing in Europe. It’s odd that the UK is shifting further to the Left as Europe is swinging to the Right. Another example of us not being that synchronised with Europe I guess.
Out of interest, where would you have placed Corbyn’s 2017 manifesto, on a left/right scale?
Why 2017 and not 2019?
Because the 2017 manifesto was arguably more radical (and I use that term loosely) than the 2019 one.
In 2019, according to their manifesto matching with political compass, Labour sat:
Economic -4.2
Social 3.0
I'd say that's right on the verge of centre left/left. If they were more radical in 2017, then we can say they were at very least Left.
It was definitely left - but i’d certainly not frame it as ‘extreme’
And it was very popular.
I’m sure there are plenty of people in the Labour Party who think that Corbyn was the best Prime Minister the country never had.
No doubt he was just rob*bed in 2019 by the Murdoch press, Zionists etc."
No, the 2019 manifesto was a dogs dinner, for an election that’s should never have been agreed in the first place (Johnson leading a minority govt. and losing parliamentary votes for fun on a near-daily basis).
The classic from 2019 was ‘free broadband for all’ in the face of a media warning that Labour will bankrupt the country - pathetically naive from the Labour comms team. |
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"Pretty much every celebrity on the planet backed Clinton in 2016 and look where it got her.
The Left generally has a problem with celebrity. The Labour Party has always sought celebrity endorsements as did the Remainers in 2016.
It just makes them look vacuous.
It's like they think the electorate are just shallow thickies who spend all their time watching TV so really care what Benedict Cumberbatch’s opinion on the single market is.
‘Most’ celebrities are intelligent successful people so it makes sense that they will annoy the sad bitter failures on the right , they hate to see people doing well
The true face of the modern Left.
In thrall to celebrity and success.
Dismissive of ordinary people.
The true face of the bitter right,
In thrall to conspiracy theories
Dismissive of the educated and successful
It's scary how totalitarian the left seem to be going. Let's take the vote away from all these uneducated conspiracy theorists? Maybe only people educated to degree level get the vote?
Where did I say that? There is a reason why right wing parties don’t invest adequately in education, it is to keep the general population stupid . It is far easier to fool a nation of fools
You where being really condescending to people less educated then yourself and righting off there lived experiences..
"To keep the general population stupid" Wow.. Now who's starting to sound like a conspiracy theorist?
Do some research, look at Brexit, it is a fact that the less educated voted to leave "
And?
Did you ever stop to think that the less educated experience less of the benefits of being in the EU and most of the drawbacks??
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"Pretty much every celebrity on the planet backed Clinton in 2016 and look where it got her.
The Left generally has a problem with celebrity. The Labour Party has always sought celebrity endorsements as did the Remainers in 2016.
It just makes them look vacuous.
It's like they think the electorate are just shallow thickies who spend all their time watching TV so really care what Benedict Cumberbatch’s opinion on the single market is.
‘Most’ celebrities are intelligent successful people so it makes sense that they will annoy the sad bitter failures on the right , they hate to see people doing well
The true face of the modern Left.
In thrall to celebrity and success.
Dismissive of ordinary people.
The true face of the bitter right,
In thrall to conspiracy theories
Dismissive of the educated and successful
It's scary how totalitarian the left seem to be going. Let's take the vote away from all these uneducated conspiracy theorists? Maybe only people educated to degree level get the vote?
Where did I say that? There is a reason why right wing parties don’t invest adequately in education, it is to keep the general population stupid . It is far easier to fool a nation of fools
You where being really condescending to people less educated then yourself and righting off there lived experiences..
"To keep the general population stupid" Wow.. Now who's starting to sound like a conspiracy theorist?
Do some research, look at Brexit, it is a fact that the less educated voted to leave
And?
Did you ever stop to think that the less educated experience less of the benefits of being in the EU and most of the drawbacks??
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"Back to the OP and several of the early posts (all I bothered to read) and I find it fairly amusing how people call the Democrats “the left”. In the USA you have at best a centre-right party and a right wing party (with far right hidden in plain sight). There are no left wingers in mainstream US politics. Not even Bernie Sanders
I think this is a somewhat outdated view.
The Democrats have moved significantly leftward under Biden.
But over recent decades much of Western politics has shifted to the left.
The Tories in the UK are a left of centre party nowadays.
There will inevitably be a pull back to the Right at some point, as we are seeing in Europe. It’s odd that the UK is shifting further to the Left as Europe is swinging to the Right. Another example of us not being that synchronised with Europe I guess.
Out of interest, where would you have placed Corbyn’s 2017 manifesto, on a left/right scale?
Why 2017 and not 2019?
Because the 2017 manifesto was arguably more radical (and I use that term loosely) than the 2019 one.
In 2019, according to their manifesto matching with political compass, Labour sat:
Economic -4.2
Social 3.0
I'd say that's right on the verge of centre left/left. If they were more radical in 2017, then we can say they were at very least Left. "
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"Back to the OP and several of the early posts (all I bothered to read) and I find it fairly amusing how people call the Democrats “the left”. In the USA you have at best a centre-right party and a right wing party (with far right hidden in plain sight). There are no left wingers in mainstream US politics. Not even Bernie Sanders
I think this is a somewhat outdated view.
The Democrats have moved significantly leftward under Biden.
But over recent decades much of Western politics has shifted to the left.
The Tories in the UK are a left of centre party nowadays.
There will inevitably be a pull back to the Right at some point, as we are seeing in Europe. It’s odd that the UK is shifting further to the Left as Europe is swinging to the Right. Another example of us not being that synchronised with Europe I guess.
Out of interest, where would you have placed Corbyn’s 2017 manifesto, on a left/right scale?
Why 2017 and not 2019?
Because the 2017 manifesto was arguably more radical (and I use that term loosely) than the 2019 one.
In 2019, according to their manifesto matching with political compass, Labour sat:
Economic -4.2
Social 3.0
I'd say that's right on the verge of centre left/left. If they were more radical in 2017, then we can say they were at very least Left.
Sources please, not opinions "
I said political compass. You're free to go look. |
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By *otMe66Man 42 weeks ago
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"Back to the OP and several of the early posts (all I bothered to read) and I find it fairly amusing how people call the Democrats “the left”. In the USA you have at best a centre-right party and a right wing party (with far right hidden in plain sight). There are no left wingers in mainstream US politics. Not even Bernie Sanders
I think this is a somewhat outdated view.
The Democrats have moved significantly leftward under Biden.
But over recent decades much of Western politics has shifted to the left.
The Tories in the UK are a left of centre party nowadays.
There will inevitably be a pull back to the Right at some point, as we are seeing in Europe. It’s odd that the UK is shifting further to the Left as Europe is swinging to the Right. Another example of us not being that synchronised with Europe I guess.
Out of interest, where would you have placed Corbyn’s 2017 manifesto, on a left/right scale?
Why 2017 and not 2019?
Because the 2017 manifesto was arguably more radical (and I use that term loosely) than the 2019 one.
In 2019, according to their manifesto matching with political compass, Labour sat:
Economic -4.2
Social 3.0
I'd say that's right on the verge of centre left/left. If they were more radical in 2017, then we can say they were at very least Left.
It was definitely left - but i’d certainly not frame it as ‘extreme’
And it was very popular.
I’m sure there are plenty of people in the Labour Party who think that Corbyn was the best Prime Minister the country never had.
No doubt he was just rob*bed in 2019 by the Murdoch press, Zionists etc.
No, the 2019 manifesto was a dogs dinner, for an election that’s should never have been agreed in the first place (Johnson leading a minority govt. and losing parliamentary votes for fun on a near-daily basis).
The classic from 2019 was ‘free broadband for all’ in the face of a media warning that Labour will bankrupt the country - pathetically naive from the Labour comms team."
I agree, the free broadband idea was ill timed and really out there. Nationalising part of BT and taxing Facebook and Google all sounded very left and poorly thought out. |
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"Back to the OP and several of the early posts (all I bothered to read) and I find it fairly amusing how people call the Democrats “the left”. In the USA you have at best a centre-right party and a right wing party (with far right hidden in plain sight). There are no left wingers in mainstream US politics. Not even Bernie Sanders
I think this is a somewhat outdated view.
The Democrats have moved significantly leftward under Biden.
But over recent decades much of Western politics has shifted to the left.
The Tories in the UK are a left of centre party nowadays.
There will inevitably be a pull back to the Right at some point, as we are seeing in Europe. It’s odd that the UK is shifting further to the Left as Europe is swinging to the Right. Another example of us not being that synchronised with Europe I guess.
Out of interest, where would you have placed Corbyn’s 2017 manifesto, on a left/right scale?
Why 2017 and not 2019?
Because the 2017 manifesto was arguably more radical (and I use that term loosely) than the 2019 one.
In 2019, according to their manifesto matching with political compass, Labour sat:
Economic -4.2
Social 3.0
I'd say that's right on the verge of centre left/left. If they were more radical in 2017, then we can say they were at very least Left.
It was definitely left - but i’d certainly not frame it as ‘extreme’
And it was very popular.
I’m sure there are plenty of people in the Labour Party who think that Corbyn was the best Prime Minister the country never had.
No doubt he was just rob*bed in 2019 by the Murdoch press, Zionists etc.
No, the 2019 manifesto was a dogs dinner, for an election that’s should never have been agreed in the first place (Johnson leading a minority govt. and losing parliamentary votes for fun on a near-daily basis).
The classic from 2019 was ‘free broadband for all’ in the face of a media warning that Labour will bankrupt the country - pathetically naive from the Labour comms team.
I agree, the free broadband idea was ill timed and really out there. Nationalising part of BT and taxing Facebook and Google all sounded very left and poorly thought out. "
If you want to produce a palatable pledge on broadband, it’s actually really simple.
“We’re going to ensure that everyone has access to high speed broadband fit for the 21st century, and it’ll be free for the neediest in society”
Or
“Everyone will have free broadband”
One of those things is far easier for the media to ridicule than the other. |
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"Back to the OP and several of the early posts (all I bothered to read) and I find it fairly amusing how people call the Democrats “the left”. In the USA you have at best a centre-right party and a right wing party (with far right hidden in plain sight). There are no left wingers in mainstream US politics. Not even Bernie Sanders
I think this is a somewhat outdated view.
The Democrats have moved significantly leftward under Biden.
But over recent decades much of Western politics has shifted to the left.
The Tories in the UK are a left of centre party nowadays.
There will inevitably be a pull back to the Right at some point, as we are seeing in Europe. It’s odd that the UK is shifting further to the Left as Europe is swinging to the Right. Another example of us not being that synchronised with Europe I guess.
Out of interest, where would you have placed Corbyn’s 2017 manifesto, on a left/right scale?
Why 2017 and not 2019?
Because the 2017 manifesto was arguably more radical (and I use that term loosely) than the 2019 one.
In 2019, according to their manifesto matching with political compass, Labour sat:
Economic -4.2
Social 3.0
I'd say that's right on the verge of centre left/left. If they were more radical in 2017, then we can say they were at very least Left.
It was definitely left - but i’d certainly not frame it as ‘extreme’
And it was very popular.
I’m sure there are plenty of people in the Labour Party who think that Corbyn was the best Prime Minister the country never had.
No doubt he was just rob*bed in 2019 by the Murdoch press, Zionists etc.
No, the 2019 manifesto was a dogs dinner, for an election that’s should never have been agreed in the first place (Johnson leading a minority govt. and losing parliamentary votes for fun on a near-daily basis).
The classic from 2019 was ‘free broadband for all’ in the face of a media warning that Labour will bankrupt the country - pathetically naive from the Labour comms team.
I agree, the free broadband idea was ill timed and really out there. Nationalising part of BT and taxing Facebook and Google all sounded very left and poorly thought out. "
is the idea for a government to pay for the broadband network that out there ? Given WFH does it still seem out there ?
And I wouldn't have taxing those who benefit from a utility more than others as that left. But I'm left so it's all relative.
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By *otMe66Man 42 weeks ago
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"Back to the OP and several of the early posts (all I bothered to read) and I find it fairly amusing how people call the Democrats “the left”. In the USA you have at best a centre-right party and a right wing party (with far right hidden in plain sight). There are no left wingers in mainstream US politics. Not even Bernie Sanders
I think this is a somewhat outdated view.
The Democrats have moved significantly leftward under Biden.
But over recent decades much of Western politics has shifted to the left.
The Tories in the UK are a left of centre party nowadays.
There will inevitably be a pull back to the Right at some point, as we are seeing in Europe. It’s odd that the UK is shifting further to the Left as Europe is swinging to the Right. Another example of us not being that synchronised with Europe I guess.
Out of interest, where would you have placed Corbyn’s 2017 manifesto, on a left/right scale?
Why 2017 and not 2019?
Because the 2017 manifesto was arguably more radical (and I use that term loosely) than the 2019 one.
In 2019, according to their manifesto matching with political compass, Labour sat:
Economic -4.2
Social 3.0
I'd say that's right on the verge of centre left/left. If they were more radical in 2017, then we can say they were at very least Left.
It was definitely left - but i’d certainly not frame it as ‘extreme’
And it was very popular.
I’m sure there are plenty of people in the Labour Party who think that Corbyn was the best Prime Minister the country never had.
No doubt he was just rob*bed in 2019 by the Murdoch press, Zionists etc.
No, the 2019 manifesto was a dogs dinner, for an election that’s should never have been agreed in the first place (Johnson leading a minority govt. and losing parliamentary votes for fun on a near-daily basis).
The classic from 2019 was ‘free broadband for all’ in the face of a media warning that Labour will bankrupt the country - pathetically naive from the Labour comms team.
I agree, the free broadband idea was ill timed and really out there. Nationalising part of BT and taxing Facebook and Google all sounded very left and poorly thought out. is the idea for a government to pay for the broadband network that out there ? Given WFH does it still seem out there ?
And I wouldn't have taxing those who benefit from a utility more than others as that left. But I'm left so it's all relative.
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The implications of taking over the bt broadband service and offering it for free by taxing corps is far reaching and full of risk.
BT are not the only provider, cable and direct fibre companies exist, I’m not talking about sky etc who piggyback. Those companies would fold, BT would then have 10 million ish customers to provision…. The tech giants could hold the government to ransom by threatening to pull out of the UK, meaning the amount they contribute would drop considerably and it would be legally challenged for years. The upshot would be BT is broken, we are paying for it and we now have no choice on provider. |
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"Back to the OP and several of the early posts (all I bothered to read) and I find it fairly amusing how people call the Democrats “the left”. In the USA you have at best a centre-right party and a right wing party (with far right hidden in plain sight). There are no left wingers in mainstream US politics. Not even Bernie Sanders
Democrats are the party of the left. Check out the Pew research into this.
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I am familiar with Pew but worth remembering they are US based and their research samples are US citizens. So that will give results that are already skewed to a US centric worldview which is generally more right leaning than the European view. ie the centre point on their left/right spectrum is further to the right than it is in Europe/UK views. |
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"Back to the OP and several of the early posts (all I bothered to read) and I find it fairly amusing how people call the Democrats “the left”. In the USA you have at best a centre-right party and a right wing party (with far right hidden in plain sight). There are no left wingers in mainstream US politics. Not even Bernie Sanders
Democrats are the party of the left. Check out the Pew research into this.
I am familiar with Pew but worth remembering they are US based and their research samples are US citizens. So that will give results that are already skewed to a US centric worldview which is generally more right leaning than the European view. ie the centre point on their left/right spectrum is further to the right than it is in Europe/UK views."
My apologies, there was I thinking we were talking about US politics |
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By *irldnCouple 42 weeks ago
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"Back to the OP and several of the early posts (all I bothered to read) and I find it fairly amusing how people call the Democrats “the left”. In the USA you have at best a centre-right party and a right wing party (with far right hidden in plain sight). There are no left wingers in mainstream US politics. Not even Bernie Sanders
Democrats are the party of the left. Check out the Pew research into this.
I am familiar with Pew but worth remembering they are US based and their research samples are US citizens. So that will give results that are already skewed to a US centric worldview which is generally more right leaning than the European view. ie the centre point on their left/right spectrum is further to the right than it is in Europe/UK views.
My apologies, there was I thinking we were talking about US politics "
Well I (a person with a British and European centric view of the world) stated in my first post that the Democrats are not “the left” and go on to say how US politics is skewed to the right. You said “ah but look what Pew research says” and I say “yeah but that research is also skewed”. So my point remains. Only on the USA would the Democrats be seen as “the left”. |
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"Back to the OP and several of the early posts (all I bothered to read) and I find it fairly amusing how people call the Democrats “the left”. In the USA you have at best a centre-right party and a right wing party (with far right hidden in plain sight). There are no left wingers in mainstream US politics. Not even Bernie Sanders
Democrats are the party of the left. Check out the Pew research into this.
I am familiar with Pew but worth remembering they are US based and their research samples are US citizens. So that will give results that are already skewed to a US centric worldview which is generally more right leaning than the European view. ie the centre point on their left/right spectrum is further to the right than it is in Europe/UK views.
My apologies, there was I thinking we were talking about US politics
Well I (a person with a British and European centric view of the world) stated in my first post that the Democrats are not “the left” and go on to say how US politics is skewed to the right. You said “ah but look what Pew research says” and I say “yeah but that research is also skewed”. So my point remains. Only on the USA would the Democrats be seen as “the left”."
Did you really say it was skewed to the right?
You should probably re-read what you write
BTW, Bernie Sanders will tell you himself that he's a Democratic Socialist. Are we now using the Nazi argument to say he isn't a socialist? |
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"Back to the OP and several of the early posts (all I bothered to read) and I find it fairly amusing how people call the Democrats “the left”. In the USA you have at best a centre-right party and a right wing party (with far right hidden in plain sight). There are no left wingers in mainstream US politics. Not even Bernie Sanders
Democrats are the party of the left. Check out the Pew research into this.
I am familiar with Pew but worth remembering they are US based and their research samples are US citizens. So that will give results that are already skewed to a US centric worldview which is generally more right leaning than the European view. ie the centre point on their left/right spectrum is further to the right than it is in Europe/UK views.
My apologies, there was I thinking we were talking about US politics
Well I (a person with a British and European centric view of the world) stated in my first post that the Democrats are not “the left” and go on to say how US politics is skewed to the right. You said “ah but look what Pew research says” and I say “yeah but that research is also skewed”. So my point remains. Only on the USA would the Democrats be seen as “the left”.
Did you really say it was skewed to the right?
You should probably re-read what you write
BTW, Bernie Sanders will tell you himself that he's a Democratic Socialist. Are we now using the Nazi argument to say he isn't a socialist?"
I’ve reread both my posts. I think the point is perfectly clear. You’re just being you feisty |
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