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By *usybee73 OP Man 45 weeks ago
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All kicking off across the stream, Dutch farmers have been protesting for a long while, now the German farmers have blockaded Berlin... according to various sources, its about cutting subsidiaries and taking there land.
No farmers, no fresh food etc so why the cuts? And what will be the outcome?
Could it happen here? |
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By *I TwoCouple 45 weeks ago
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"All kicking off across the stream, Dutch farmers have been protesting for a long while, now the German farmers have blockaded Berlin... according to various sources, its about cutting subsidiaries and taking there land.
No farmers, no fresh food etc so why the cuts? And what will be the outcome?
Could it happen here?"
It already has.
Ask any farmer what happened their subsidies after Brexit.
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By (user no longer on site) 45 weeks ago
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Eventually it will happen everywhere that the Nut Zero adherents are in charge.
If it isn’t happening somewhere yet it’s just because the population still haven’t twigged what’s coming. |
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By (user no longer on site) 45 weeks ago
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"Eventually it will happen everywhere that the Nut Zero adherents are in charge.
If it isn’t happening somewhere yet it’s just because the population still haven’t twigged what’s coming."
if we removed subsidies and also net zero targets, will they be happy ? |
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By *usybee73 OP Man 45 weeks ago
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"Eventually it will happen everywhere that the Nut Zero adherents are in charge.
If it isn’t happening somewhere yet it’s just because the population still haven’t twigged what’s coming.if we removed subsidies and also net zero targets, will they be happy ?"
Farmers were paid not to grow food, now being paid not to damage the environment 
All through subsidiaries
Maybe? Let them grow what they want and no need for subsidiaries... might catch on. |
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"Eventually it will happen everywhere that the Nut Zero adherents are in charge.
If it isn’t happening somewhere yet it’s just because the population still haven’t twigged what’s coming."
That's right. Only nut jobs understand climate science.  |
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"Eventually it will happen everywhere that the Nut Zero adherents are in charge.
If it isn’t happening somewhere yet it’s just because the population still haven’t twigged what’s coming.
That's right. Only nut jobs understand climate science. "
Isn’t there a way that you can squeeze in something about foreigners here? |
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"Eventually it will happen everywhere that the Nut Zero adherents are in charge.
If it isn’t happening somewhere yet it’s just because the population still haven’t twigged what’s coming.if we removed subsidies and also net zero targets, will they be happy ?
Farmers were paid not to grow food, now being paid not to damage the environment
All through subsidiaries
Maybe? Let them grow what they want and no need for subsidiaries... might catch on."
Those pesky subsidiaries, making it difficult to trace back to the real parent company paying the farmers not to grow food. Would be easier if the government just gave the farmers subsidies. |
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"French farmers are starting to blockade Paris  "
They are and they do like this type of action in France. It seems to be many problems and not restricted to France either as Germany, Poland, Hungary, Romania and the Netherlands are all in the BBC article. Problems include increasing bureaucracy, increasing price of farm diesel, late payment of EU subsidies and also increased competition from non EU countries. I think the farmers are saying this is all making them uncompetitive compared to others. Their market has also been flooded by much cheaper Ukrainian produce since the war and they are struggling to compete. |
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By *deepdiveMan 41 weeks ago
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"Seems the French government have caved in, amazing what action, and listening does
https://youtu.be/JLOMUH0YSqs?si=R1Su32jRT7dYyuL1"
Dover farmers protest
The organiser of a protest which brought more than 30 tractors to Dover on Friday night says further action "cannot be ruled out".
Jeff Gibson told BBC Radio 4's Today programme that widespread anger felt by UK farmers meant it could "very easily escalate".
He said trade deals agreed since Brexit had created an "utterly soul-destroying" situation
He said protests by farmers in Europe had "shown us what can be accomplished and hopefully the government start taking notice".
About time that British Farmers started sticking up for themselves.
They have been dealt a poor hand due to Brexit and, for the majority, they have little option but to protest or to fail.
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By *otMe66Man 41 weeks ago
Terra Firma |
"Seems the French government have caved in, amazing what action, and listening does
https://youtu.be/JLOMUH0YSqs?si=R1Su32jRT7dYyuL1
Dover farmers protest
The organiser of a protest which brought more than 30 tractors to Dover on Friday night says further action "cannot be ruled out".
Jeff Gibson told BBC Radio 4's Today programme that widespread anger felt by UK farmers meant it could "very easily escalate".
He said trade deals agreed since Brexit had created an "utterly soul-destroying" situation
He said protests by farmers in Europe had "shown us what can be accomplished and hopefully the government start taking notice".
About time that British Farmers started sticking up for themselves.
They have been dealt a poor hand due to Brexit and, for the majority, they have little option but to protest or to fail.
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They were given a band hand when we were in the EU, too. Butter mountains, subsidies for not growing etc…. What is different? |
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By (user no longer on site) 41 weeks ago
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"Seems the French government have caved in, amazing what action, and listening does
https://youtu.be/JLOMUH0YSqs?si=R1Su32jRT7dYyuL1
Dover farmers protest
The organiser of a protest which brought more than 30 tractors to Dover on Friday night says further action "cannot be ruled out".
Jeff Gibson told BBC Radio 4's Today programme that widespread anger felt by UK farmers meant it could "very easily escalate".
He said trade deals agreed since Brexit had created an "utterly soul-destroying" situation
He said protests by farmers in Europe had "shown us what can be accomplished and hopefully the government start taking notice".
About time that British Farmers started sticking up for themselves.
They have been dealt a poor hand due to Brexit and, for the majority, they have little option but to protest or to fail.
They were given a band hand when we were in the EU, too. Butter mountains, subsidies for not growing etc…. What is different? "
That’s emotional thinking, not critical.
The majority of Farmers are worse off post-Brexit. Statement of fact. |
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By *otMe66Man 41 weeks ago
Terra Firma |
"Seems the French government have caved in, amazing what action, and listening does
https://youtu.be/JLOMUH0YSqs?si=R1Su32jRT7dYyuL1
Dover farmers protest
The organiser of a protest which brought more than 30 tractors to Dover on Friday night says further action "cannot be ruled out".
Jeff Gibson told BBC Radio 4's Today programme that widespread anger felt by UK farmers meant it could "very easily escalate".
He said trade deals agreed since Brexit had created an "utterly soul-destroying" situation
He said protests by farmers in Europe had "shown us what can be accomplished and hopefully the government start taking notice".
About time that British Farmers started sticking up for themselves.
They have been dealt a poor hand due to Brexit and, for the majority, they have little option but to protest or to fail.
They were given a band hand when we were in the EU, too. Butter mountains, subsidies for not growing etc…. What is different?
That’s emotional thinking, not critical.
The majority of Farmers are worse off post-Brexit. Statement of fact. "
Exactly and making the point. Where are the facts? Maybe not union facts unless they can be backed up with real figures |
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By (user no longer on site) 41 weeks ago
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"Seems the French government have caved in, amazing what action, and listening does
https://youtu.be/JLOMUH0YSqs?si=R1Su32jRT7dYyuL1
Dover farmers protest
The organiser of a protest which brought more than 30 tractors to Dover on Friday night says further action "cannot be ruled out".
Jeff Gibson told BBC Radio 4's Today programme that widespread anger felt by UK farmers meant it could "very easily escalate".
He said trade deals agreed since Brexit had created an "utterly soul-destroying" situation
He said protests by farmers in Europe had "shown us what can be accomplished and hopefully the government start taking notice".
About time that British Farmers started sticking up for themselves.
They have been dealt a poor hand due to Brexit and, for the majority, they have little option but to protest or to fail.
They were given a band hand when we were in the EU, too. Butter mountains, subsidies for not growing etc…. What is different?
That’s emotional thinking, not critical.
The majority of Farmers are worse off post-Brexit. Statement of fact.
Exactly and making the point. Where are the facts? Maybe not union facts unless they can be backed up with real figures"
Maybe you could research the real figures. They’re all out there |
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By *otMe66Man 41 weeks ago
Terra Firma |
"Seems the French government have caved in, amazing what action, and listening does
https://youtu.be/JLOMUH0YSqs?si=R1Su32jRT7dYyuL1
Dover farmers protest
The organiser of a protest which brought more than 30 tractors to Dover on Friday night says further action "cannot be ruled out".
Jeff Gibson told BBC Radio 4's Today programme that widespread anger felt by UK farmers meant it could "very easily escalate".
He said trade deals agreed since Brexit had created an "utterly soul-destroying" situation
He said protests by farmers in Europe had "shown us what can be accomplished and hopefully the government start taking notice".
About time that British Farmers started sticking up for themselves.
They have been dealt a poor hand due to Brexit and, for the majority, they have little option but to protest or to fail.
They were given a band hand when we were in the EU, too. Butter mountains, subsidies for not growing etc…. What is different?
That’s emotional thinking, not critical.
The majority of Farmers are worse off post-Brexit. Statement of fact.
Exactly and making the point. Where are the facts? Maybe not union facts unless they can be backed up with real figures
Maybe you could research the real figures. They’re all out there "
The amount of subsidies and red tape that exists across the EU, makes it rather difficult to to find reliable figures there are not driven from a selfish background, past and present.
You were confident with this comment: “ The majority of Farmers are worse off post-Brexit. Statement of fact.”
I’m asking you to provide something other than your opinion based on your comment, as it is fact. |
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By (user no longer on site) 41 weeks ago
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"Seems the French government have caved in, amazing what action, and listening does
https://youtu.be/JLOMUH0YSqs?si=R1Su32jRT7dYyuL1
Dover farmers protest
The organiser of a protest which brought more than 30 tractors to Dover on Friday night says further action "cannot be ruled out".
Jeff Gibson told BBC Radio 4's Today programme that widespread anger felt by UK farmers meant it could "very easily escalate".
He said trade deals agreed since Brexit had created an "utterly soul-destroying" situation
He said protests by farmers in Europe had "shown us what can be accomplished and hopefully the government start taking notice".
About time that British Farmers started sticking up for themselves.
They have been dealt a poor hand due to Brexit and, for the majority, they have little option but to protest or to fail.
They were given a band hand when we were in the EU, too. Butter mountains, subsidies for not growing etc…. What is different?
That’s emotional thinking, not critical.
The majority of Farmers are worse off post-Brexit. Statement of fact.
Exactly and making the point. Where are the facts? Maybe not union facts unless they can be backed up with real figures
Maybe you could research the real figures. They’re all out there
The amount of subsidies and red tape that exists across the EU, makes it rather difficult to to find reliable figures there are not driven from a selfish background, past and present.
You were confident with this comment: “ The majority of Farmers are worse off post-Brexit. Statement of fact.”
I’m asking you to provide something other than your opinion based on your comment, as it is fact."
I made that statement after confirming my suspicions by checking a number of websites for data |
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By *otMe66Man 41 weeks ago
Terra Firma |
"Seems the French government have caved in, amazing what action, and listening does
https://youtu.be/JLOMUH0YSqs?si=R1Su32jRT7dYyuL1
Dover farmers protest
The organiser of a protest which brought more than 30 tractors to Dover on Friday night says further action "cannot be ruled out".
Jeff Gibson told BBC Radio 4's Today programme that widespread anger felt by UK farmers meant it could "very easily escalate".
He said trade deals agreed since Brexit had created an "utterly soul-destroying" situation
He said protests by farmers in Europe had "shown us what can be accomplished and hopefully the government start taking notice".
About time that British Farmers started sticking up for themselves.
They have been dealt a poor hand due to Brexit and, for the majority, they have little option but to protest or to fail.
They were given a band hand when we were in the EU, too. Butter mountains, subsidies for not growing etc…. What is different?
That’s emotional thinking, not critical.
The majority of Farmers are worse off post-Brexit. Statement of fact.
Exactly and making the point. Where are the facts? Maybe not union facts unless they can be backed up with real figures
Maybe you could research the real figures. They’re all out there
The amount of subsidies and red tape that exists across the EU, makes it rather difficult to to find reliable figures there are not driven from a selfish background, past and present.
You were confident with this comment: “ The majority of Farmers are worse off post-Brexit. Statement of fact.”
I’m asking you to provide something other than your opinion based on your comment, as it is fact.
I made that statement after confirming my suspicions by checking a number of websites for data "
What was the conclusions, anything specific as a root cause, other than “I blame Brexit”? |
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By (user no longer on site) 41 weeks ago
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"Seems the French government have caved in, amazing what action, and listening does
https://youtu.be/JLOMUH0YSqs?si=R1Su32jRT7dYyuL1
Dover farmers protest
The organiser of a protest which brought more than 30 tractors to Dover on Friday night says further action "cannot be ruled out".
Jeff Gibson told BBC Radio 4's Today programme that widespread anger felt by UK farmers meant it could "very easily escalate".
He said trade deals agreed since Brexit had created an "utterly soul-destroying" situation
He said protests by farmers in Europe had "shown us what can be accomplished and hopefully the government start taking notice".
About time that British Farmers started sticking up for themselves.
They have been dealt a poor hand due to Brexit and, for the majority, they have little option but to protest or to fail.
They were given a band hand when we were in the EU, too. Butter mountains, subsidies for not growing etc…. What is different?
That’s emotional thinking, not critical.
The majority of Farmers are worse off post-Brexit. Statement of fact.
Exactly and making the point. Where are the facts? Maybe not union facts unless they can be backed up with real figures
Maybe you could research the real figures. They’re all out there
The amount of subsidies and red tape that exists across the EU, makes it rather difficult to to find reliable figures there are not driven from a selfish background, past and present.
You were confident with this comment: “ The majority of Farmers are worse off post-Brexit. Statement of fact.”
I’m asking you to provide something other than your opinion based on your comment, as it is fact.
I made that statement after confirming my suspicions by checking a number of websites for data
What was the conclusions, anything specific as a root cause, other than “I blame Brexit”? "
As you might imagine, there are factors involved, but that’s why I specifically used the phrase post-Brexit, and not ‘due to Brexit’
However, there are statements about trade and so on from farmers which suggest that Brexit is a major factor. |
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By *otMe66Man 41 weeks ago
Terra Firma |
"Seems the French government have caved in, amazing what action, and listening does
https://youtu.be/JLOMUH0YSqs?si=R1Su32jRT7dYyuL1
Dover farmers protest
The organiser of a protest which brought more than 30 tractors to Dover on Friday night says further action "cannot be ruled out".
Jeff Gibson told BBC Radio 4's Today programme that widespread anger felt by UK farmers meant it could "very easily escalate".
He said trade deals agreed since Brexit had created an "utterly soul-destroying" situation
He said protests by farmers in Europe had "shown us what can be accomplished and hopefully the government start taking notice".
About time that British Farmers started sticking up for themselves.
They have been dealt a poor hand due to Brexit and, for the majority, they have little option but to protest or to fail.
They were given a band hand when we were in the EU, too. Butter mountains, subsidies for not growing etc…. What is different?
That’s emotional thinking, not critical.
The majority of Farmers are worse off post-Brexit. Statement of fact.
Exactly and making the point. Where are the facts? Maybe not union facts unless they can be backed up with real figures
Maybe you could research the real figures. They’re all out there
The amount of subsidies and red tape that exists across the EU, makes it rather difficult to to find reliable figures there are not driven from a selfish background, past and present.
You were confident with this comment: “ The majority of Farmers are worse off post-Brexit. Statement of fact.”
I’m asking you to provide something other than your opinion based on your comment, as it is fact.
I made that statement after confirming my suspicions by checking a number of websites for data
What was the conclusions, anything specific as a root cause, other than “I blame Brexit”?
As you might imagine, there are factors involved, but that’s why I specifically used the phrase post-Brexit, and not ‘due to Brexit’
However, there are statements about trade and so on from farmers which suggest that Brexit is a major factor. "
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The real question is why any subsidies are given.
There can be an argument that they are used to promote certain practices, particularly environmental and welfare.
Is the real answer to heavily tax imports that are not produced to the same environmental and welfare standards as the UK?
In addition, the full carbon footprint should be assessed for all imports. Taxes should be levied based on this as well.
Food in the UK is much cheaper than in France. Norway taxes food imports to protect its farmers and food there is several times more expensive than here.
By subsidising food, we are all paying through our taxes anyway. |
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"The real question is why any subsidies are given.
There can be an argument that they are used to promote certain practices, particularly environmental and welfare.
Is the real answer to heavily tax imports that are not produced to the same environmental and welfare standards as the UK?
In addition, the full carbon footprint should be assessed for all imports. Taxes should be levied based on this as well.
Food in the UK is much cheaper than in France. Norway taxes food imports to protect its farmers and food there is several times more expensive than here.
By subsidising food, we are all paying through our taxes anyway."
Similarly, I read an article recently where British fishermen were complaining that they couldn't export fish as easily after Brexit. Apparently the British public don't like the fish caught locally so we export it to Europe and import cod.
However, the fish looked tasty but I have never seen it for sale in the UK. Why don't we just eat locally produced food? Who makes the decisions that "the public don't like" something so things are not sold? If it is supermarket buyers then they have too much power and too conservative tastes. |
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By (user no longer on site) 40 weeks ago
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Youd think with ever an ever growing global population food production would be important. Be sure to excercise and keep in shape everyone, hubby will be eating people before he eats ze bugs.  |
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By (user no longer on site) 40 weeks ago
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"The real question is why any subsidies are given.
There can be an argument that they are used to promote certain practices, particularly environmental and welfare.
Is the real answer to heavily tax imports that are not produced to the same environmental and welfare standards as the UK?
In addition, the full carbon footprint should be assessed for all imports. Taxes should be levied based on this as well.
Food in the UK is much cheaper than in France. Norway taxes food imports to protect its farmers and food there is several times more expensive than here.
By subsidising food, we are all paying through our taxes anyway.
Similarly, I read an article recently where British fishermen were complaining that they couldn't export fish as easily after Brexit. Apparently the British public don't like the fish caught locally so we export it to Europe and import cod.
However, the fish looked tasty but I have never seen it for sale in the UK. Why don't we just eat locally produced food? Who makes the decisions that "the public don't like" something so things are not sold? If it is supermarket buyers then they have too much power and too conservative tastes."
I'm suspect it's a complex issue. However, if the public wanted to eat this stuff, I'm fairly sure that supermarkets would supply it, the capitalist beasts they are. Similar with offal. I think we have become picky. |
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"The real question is why any subsidies are given.
There can be an argument that they are used to promote certain practices, particularly environmental and welfare.
Is the real answer to heavily tax imports that are not produced to the same environmental and welfare standards as the UK?
In addition, the full carbon footprint should be assessed for all imports. Taxes should be levied based on this as well.
Food in the UK is much cheaper than in France. Norway taxes food imports to protect its farmers and food there is several times more expensive than here.
By subsidising food, we are all paying through our taxes anyway.
Similarly, I read an article recently where British fishermen were complaining that they couldn't export fish as easily after Brexit. Apparently the British public don't like the fish caught locally so we export it to Europe and import cod.
However, the fish looked tasty but I have never seen it for sale in the UK. Why don't we just eat locally produced food? Who makes the decisions that "the public don't like" something so things are not sold? If it is supermarket buyers then they have too much power and too conservative tastes.I'm suspect it's a complex issue. However, if the public wanted to eat this stuff, I'm fairly sure that supermarkets would supply it, the capitalist beasts they are. Similar with offal. I think we have become picky. "
There is plenty of offal sold and eaten around here, faggots and peas is on the menu they come by the quarter weight.  |
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By (user no longer on site) 40 weeks ago
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"British farmers plan more French-style tractor protests this weekend
Organisers call for ‘national effort’ to protest against low supermarket prices and cheap imports from post-Brexit deals"
which deals ? There's been so little new deals surely we cant pin it on Brexit ? |
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By *ermbiMan 40 weeks ago
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"British farmers plan more French-style tractor protests this weekend
Organisers call for ‘national effort’ to protest against low supermarket prices and cheap imports from post-Brexit dealswhich deals ? There's been so little new deals surely we cant pin it on Brexit ? "
Surely it can't be the big ticket Brexit deals which were boasted about and delivered little. Such a travesty to mislead anyone. That would never happen!!! |
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