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"I’ve a feeling it could be something to do with Farage. If it is this place will go mental "it's all lining up that way. Although I hadn't even heard there was an announcement. I'd love a big name person to cross the floor tho. Theres a strategy to be played there as a well timed move could mean they are the headline star in the biggest right leaning party, as such a move could see Tory votes dissipate. | |||
"I’ve a feeling it could be something to do with Farage. If it is this place will go mental it's all lining up that way. Although I hadn't even heard there was an announcement.
I'd love a big name person to cross the floor tho. Theres a strategy to be played there as a well timed move could mean they are the headline star in the biggest right leaning party, as such a move could see Tory votes dissipate. "I think we all know the Tories are gonna lose a ton of seats anyway. What would stop half a dozen Tories shifting to Reform? they could very well be the opposition party come next election. I kinda need to be careful speaking in this way or I might just confirm the far right label I've been getting lately | |||
"I’ve a feeling it could be something to do with Farage. If it is this place will go mental it's all lining up that way. Although I hadn't even heard there was an announcement.
I'd love a big name person to cross the floor tho. Theres a strategy to be played there as a well timed move could mean they are the headline star in the biggest right leaning party, as such a move could see Tory votes dissipate.
I think we all know the Tories are gonna lose a ton of seats anyway.
What would stop half a dozen Tories shifting to Reform? they could very well be the opposition party come next election.
I kinda need to be careful speaking in this way or I might just confirm the far right label I've been getting lately "exactly. Whether they get enough to become oppo... Depends how the Tory vote splinters. | |||
"I’ve a feeling it could be something to do with Farage. If it is this place will go mental it's all lining up that way. Although I hadn't even heard there was an announcement.
I'd love a big name person to cross the floor tho. Theres a strategy to be played there as a well timed move could mean they are the headline star in the biggest right leaning party, as such a move could see Tory votes dissipate.
I think we all know the Tories are gonna lose a ton of seats anyway.
What would stop half a dozen Tories shifting to Reform? they could very well be the opposition party come next election.
I kinda need to be careful speaking in this way or I might just confirm the far right label I've been getting lately exactly. Whether they get enough to become oppo... Depends how the Tory vote splinters. "does this make me right wing ? I must be switch | |||
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"I’ve a feeling it could be something to do with Farage. If it is this place will go mental it's all lining up that way. Although I hadn't even heard there was an announcement.
I'd love a big name person to cross the floor tho. Theres a strategy to be played there as a well timed move could mean they are the headline star in the biggest right leaning party, as such a move could see Tory votes dissipate.
I think we all know the Tories are gonna lose a ton of seats anyway.
What would stop half a dozen Tories shifting to Reform? they could very well be the opposition party come next election.
I kinda need to be careful speaking in this way or I might just confirm the far right label I've been getting lately exactly. Whether they get enough to become oppo... Depends how the Tory vote splinters. does this make me right wing ? I must be switch "Not right, far right | |||
"I’ve a feeling it could be something to do with Farage. If it is this place will go mental it's all lining up that way. Although I hadn't even heard there was an announcement.
I'd love a big name person to cross the floor tho. Theres a strategy to be played there as a well timed move could mean they are the headline star in the biggest right leaning party, as such a move could see Tory votes dissipate.
I think we all know the Tories are gonna lose a ton of seats anyway.
What would stop half a dozen Tories shifting to Reform? they could very well be the opposition party come next election.
I kinda need to be careful speaking in this way or I might just confirm the far right label I've been getting lately exactly. Whether they get enough to become oppo... Depends how the Tory vote splinters. does this make me right wing ? I must be switch
Not right, far right "cool. Opposite side to Nazis then ? | |||
"I’ve a feeling it could be something to do with Farage. If it is this place will go mental it's all lining up that way. Although I hadn't even heard there was an announcement.
I'd love a big name person to cross the floor tho. Theres a strategy to be played there as a well timed move could mean they are the headline star in the biggest right leaning party, as such a move could see Tory votes dissipate.
I think we all know the Tories are gonna lose a ton of seats anyway.
What would stop half a dozen Tories shifting to Reform? they could very well be the opposition party come next election.
I kinda need to be careful speaking in this way or I might just confirm the far right label I've been getting lately exactly. Whether they get enough to become oppo... Depends how the Tory vote splinters. does this make me right wing ? I must be switch
Not right, far right cool. Opposite side to Nazis then ? "Yeah, that's the place  | |||
"Reform will tomorrow make a BIG announcement for election year... Anyone fancy a guess at what it will be? Bridgen to join the party is mine. " It might well include farage but apparently this is also about policies. The story I read said the reform party feel they have done plenty of damage to the Tories and may now focus more on attacking Labour, specifically aiming for the so called red wall voters. | |||
"Reform will tomorrow make a BIG announcement for election year... Anyone fancy a guess at what it will be? Bridgen to join the party is mine. It might well include farage but apparently this is also about policies. The story I read said the reform party feel they have done plenty of damage to the Tories and may now focus more on attacking Labour, specifically aiming for the so called red wall voters. " It wouldn’t surprise me if it is a a policy on stopping the boats, if they’re making an effort to attract the red wall. | |||
"Reform will tomorrow make a BIG announcement for election year... Anyone fancy a guess at what it will be? Bridgen to join the party is mine. It might well include farage but apparently this is also about policies. The story I read said the reform party feel they have done plenty of damage to the Tories and may now focus more on attacking Labour, specifically aiming for the so called red wall voters. " I did read that they may put Farage into the red wall somewhere as a way of trying to get Brexit voters over the line. Speculation but plausible. | |||
"Reform will tomorrow make a BIG announcement for election year... Anyone fancy a guess at what it will be? Bridgen to join the party is mine. It might well include farage but apparently this is also about policies. The story I read said the reform party feel they have done plenty of damage to the Tories and may now focus more on attacking Labour, specifically aiming for the so called red wall voters. " Maybe it's some proposed policies like: A. Anyone found guilty of being "woke" to be stoned at the stake with rocks measured in imperial measurements. B. Scientists and other so called "experts" to be sent to work in reopened Cornish tin mines. C. Poor people to be paraded in the streets for the rich to throw rotten veg at. D. Make it illegal not to blame foreigners for everything. | |||
"Reform will tomorrow make a BIG announcement for election year... Anyone fancy a guess at what it will be? Bridgen to join the party is mine. It might well include farage but apparently this is also about policies. The story I read said the reform party feel they have done plenty of damage to the Tories and may now focus more on attacking Labour, specifically aiming for the so called red wall voters. Maybe it's some proposed policies like: A. Anyone found guilty of being "woke" to be stoned at the stake with rocks measured in imperial measurements. B. Scientists and other so called "experts" to be sent to work in reopened Cornish tin mines. C. Poor people to be paraded in the streets for the rich to throw rotten veg at. D. Make it illegal not to blame foreigners for everything. " My, you are full of yourself | |||
"Reform will tomorrow make a BIG announcement for election year... Anyone fancy a guess at what it will be? Bridgen to join the party is mine. It might well include farage but apparently this is also about policies. The story I read said the reform party feel they have done plenty of damage to the Tories and may now focus more on attacking Labour, specifically aiming for the so called red wall voters. Maybe it's some proposed policies like: A. Anyone found guilty of being "woke" to be stoned at the stake with rocks measured in imperial measurements. B. Scientists and other so called "experts" to be sent to work in reopened Cornish tin mines. C. Poor people to be paraded in the streets for the rich to throw rotten veg at. D. Make it illegal not to blame foreigners for everything. My, you are full of yourself " What makes you say this? | |||
"Reform will tomorrow make a BIG announcement for election year... Anyone fancy a guess at what it will be? Bridgen to join the party is mine. It might well include farage but apparently this is also about policies. The story I read said the reform party feel they have done plenty of damage to the Tories and may now focus more on attacking Labour, specifically aiming for the so called red wall voters. " This. Their best chance at actual power would be to grab power in the red wall and hope for a coalition. | |||
"Reform will tomorrow make a BIG announcement for election year... Anyone fancy a guess at what it will be? Bridgen to join the party is mine. It might well include farage but apparently this is also about policies. The story I read said the reform party feel they have done plenty of damage to the Tories and may now focus more on attacking Labour, specifically aiming for the so called red wall voters. This. Their best chance at actual power would be to grab power in the red wall and hope for a coalition." Do you think enough red wall voters think that science isn't real, think that non-racists should be banned from teaching and that foreigners are the causes of all their problems to go and vote Reform? | |||
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"Reform will tomorrow make a BIG announcement for election year... Anyone fancy a guess at what it will be? Bridgen to join the party is mine. It might well include farage but apparently this is also about policies. The story I read said the reform party feel they have done plenty of damage to the Tories and may now focus more on attacking Labour, specifically aiming for the so called red wall voters. Maybe it's some proposed policies like: A. Anyone found guilty of being "woke" to be stoned at the stake with rocks measured in imperial measurements. B. Scientists and other so called "experts" to be sent to work in reopened Cornish tin mines. C. Poor people to be paraded in the streets for the rich to throw rotten veg at. D. Make it illegal not to blame foreigners for everything. " C. It's a way of feeding the miserable bastards... Wait... I'm one of those miserable bastards  | |||
"Reform will tomorrow make a BIG announcement for election year... Anyone fancy a guess at what it will be? Bridgen to join the party is mine. It might well include farage but apparently this is also about policies. The story I read said the reform party feel they have done plenty of damage to the Tories and may now focus more on attacking Labour, specifically aiming for the so called red wall voters. This. Their best chance at actual power would be to grab power in the red wall and hope for a coalition. Do you think enough red wall voters think that science isn't real, think that non-racists should be banned from teaching and that foreigners are the causes of all their problems to go and vote Reform?" They voted tory to get brexit over the line, what does that tell you, 80 seat majority. | |||
"Reform will tomorrow make a BIG announcement for election year... Anyone fancy a guess at what it will be? Bridgen to join the party is mine. It might well include farage but apparently this is also about policies. The story I read said the reform party feel they have done plenty of damage to the Tories and may now focus more on attacking Labour, specifically aiming for the so called red wall voters. This. Their best chance at actual power would be to grab power in the red wall and hope for a coalition. Do you think enough red wall voters think that science isn't real, think that non-racists should be banned from teaching and that foreigners are the causes of all their problems to go and vote Reform? They voted tory to get brexit over the line, what does that tell you, 80 seat majority." That tells me they voted Tory. I was intending to reference the Reform party in my post. | |||
"Reform will tomorrow make a BIG announcement for election year... Anyone fancy a guess at what it will be? Bridgen to join the party is mine. It might well include farage but apparently this is also about policies. The story I read said the reform party feel they have done plenty of damage to the Tories and may now focus more on attacking Labour, specifically aiming for the so called red wall voters. This. Their best chance at actual power would be to grab power in the red wall and hope for a coalition. Do you think enough red wall voters think that science isn't real, think that non-racists should be banned from teaching and that foreigners are the causes of all their problems to go and vote Reform? They voted tory to get brexit over the line, what does that tell you, 80 seat majority. That tells me they voted Tory. I was intending to reference the Reform party in my post. " Target audience for Reform? | |||
" Do you think enough red wall voters think that science isn't real, think that non-racists should be banned from teaching and that foreigners are the causes of all their problems to go and vote Reform?" Nope. Highly unlikely (but nothing is impossible). And you do have to wonder at the rationale behind them supporting Conservatives to "get Brexit done". But it's Reform's only real hope at being relevant. The red wall now hates both Conservatives and Labour. It would be a "fuck both parties" vote. | |||
"Reform will tomorrow make a BIG announcement for election year... Anyone fancy a guess at what it will be? Bridgen to join the party is mine. It might well include farage but apparently this is also about policies. The story I read said the reform party feel they have done plenty of damage to the Tories and may now focus more on attacking Labour, specifically aiming for the so called red wall voters. Maybe it's some proposed policies like: A. Anyone found guilty of being "woke" to be stoned at the stake with rocks measured in imperial measurements. B. Scientists and other so called "experts" to be sent to work in reopened Cornish tin mines. C. Poor people to be paraded in the streets for the rich to throw rotten veg at. D. Make it illegal not to blame foreigners for everything. " Good to see that you have now added a couple of new “ideas” to your usual “tHe ScIeNcE” and “foreigners” post. | |||
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"Reform will tomorrow make a BIG announcement for election year... Anyone fancy a guess at what it will be? Bridgen to join the party is mine. It might well include farage but apparently this is also about policies. The story I read said the reform party feel they have done plenty of damage to the Tories and may now focus more on attacking Labour, specifically aiming for the so called red wall voters. Maybe it's some proposed policies like: A. Anyone found guilty of being "woke" to be stoned at the stake with rocks measured in imperial measurements. B. Scientists and other so called "experts" to be sent to work in reopened Cornish tin mines. C. Poor people to be paraded in the streets for the rich to throw rotten veg at. D. Make it illegal not to blame foreigners for everything. " Maybe they will put forward your assumptions if they feel natural Labour voters will be interested. If the article was correct it seems they calculate winning over more Labour voters than others, given they have already taken plenty from the Tories already. With our first past the post system I don't see them getting much in the way of seats, if any so probably irrelevant what they announce | |||
"Forgot voting for Tories and Labour, its time for a radical change in UK politics, vote for Reform as this country needs refoming badly" Why? Please can you explain your thinking? What would you reform? What policies float your boat? | |||
"Forgot voting for Tories and Labour, its time for a radical change in UK politics, vote for Reform as this country needs refoming badly Why? Please can you explain your thinking? What would you reform? What policies float your boat?" Farage is just a grifter. Nothing to see here. | |||
" Do you think enough red wall voters think that science isn't real, think that non-racists should be banned from teaching and that foreigners are the causes of all their problems to go and vote Reform? Nope. Highly unlikely (but nothing is impossible). And you do have to wonder at the rationale behind them supporting Conservatives to "get Brexit done". But it's Reform's only real hope at being relevant. The red wall now hates both Conservatives and Labour. It would be a "fuck both parties" vote." Aren't there any better protest votes than going for these lunatics? I'd argue so. | |||
"Reform will tomorrow make a BIG announcement for election year... Anyone fancy a guess at what it will be? Bridgen to join the party is mine. It might well include farage but apparently this is also about policies. The story I read said the reform party feel they have done plenty of damage to the Tories and may now focus more on attacking Labour, specifically aiming for the so called red wall voters. Maybe it's some proposed policies like: A. Anyone found guilty of being "woke" to be stoned at the stake with rocks measured in imperial measurements. B. Scientists and other so called "experts" to be sent to work in reopened Cornish tin mines. C. Poor people to be paraded in the streets for the rich to throw rotten veg at. D. Make it illegal not to blame foreigners for everything. Maybe they will put forward your assumptions if they feel natural Labour voters will be interested. If the article was correct it seems they calculate winning over more Labour voters than others, given they have already taken plenty from the Tories already. With our first past the post system I don't see them getting much in the way of seats, if any so probably irrelevant what they announce" These are just slight exaggerations of their current policies. | |||
" Do you think enough red wall voters think that science isn't real, think that non-racists should be banned from teaching and that foreigners are the causes of all their problems to go and vote Reform? Nope. Highly unlikely (but nothing is impossible). And you do have to wonder at the rationale behind them supporting Conservatives to "get Brexit done". But it's Reform's only real hope at being relevant. The red wall now hates both Conservatives and Labour. It would be a "fuck both parties" vote. Aren't there any better protest votes than going for these lunatics? I'd argue so. " Whether there are better options isn't the point, is it? | |||
" Do you think enough red wall voters think that science isn't real, think that non-racists should be banned from teaching and that foreigners are the causes of all their problems to go and vote Reform? Nope. Highly unlikely (but nothing is impossible). And you do have to wonder at the rationale behind them supporting Conservatives to "get Brexit done". But it's Reform's only real hope at being relevant. The red wall now hates both Conservatives and Labour. It would be a "fuck both parties" vote. Aren't there any better protest votes than going for these lunatics? I'd argue so. Whether there are better options isn't the point, is it?" Agreed, however are there any parties big enough that offer 'change' to warrant any protest vote anyway? The way I see it is, most people are pissed off with the Tories. The left have their place with Lab, Lib, Green. The right only really have Reform so for me Reform will be the biggest winners in terms of votes gained. | |||
" Do you think enough red wall voters think that science isn't real, think that non-racists should be banned from teaching and that foreigners are the causes of all their problems to go and vote Reform? Nope. Highly unlikely (but nothing is impossible). And you do have to wonder at the rationale behind them supporting Conservatives to "get Brexit done". But it's Reform's only real hope at being relevant. The red wall now hates both Conservatives and Labour. It would be a "fuck both parties" vote. Aren't there any better protest votes than going for these lunatics? I'd argue so. Whether there are better options isn't the point, is it?" I don't know, I genuinely can't imagine being tempted to vote for such ridiculous policies, even as a protest. | |||
" I don't know, I genuinely can't imagine being tempted to vote for such ridiculous policies, even as a protest." Well, that's one vote that they can't count on  | |||
" The way I see it is, most people are pissed off with the Tories. The left have their place with Lab, Lib, Green. The right only really have Reform so for me Reform will be the biggest winners in terms of votes gained. " Exactly. Imagine the mess that would ensue if the Green Party got into power. Most people who vote green do it because they want to make a statement, not because they want chaos. The same is true for Reform (presumably). They don't need to be credible, they just need to offer an alternative and apply pressure, much like UKIP did. And UKIP was hugely successful in what it set out to achieve. You can laugh at fringe weirdos and nut jobs, but they can apply pressure. Either if they threaten the core of a party, or hold a slim balance of power. Where is that red wall going? Starmer has been courting them almost to the exclusion of everyone else (especially the more left wing (progressive) side), and Reform is likely to do the same. It's the easiest pickings for them, and their best chance at gaining even a tiny bit of power. | |||
" The way I see it is, most people are pissed off with the Tories. The left have their place with Lab, Lib, Green. The right only really have Reform so for me Reform will be the biggest winners in terms of votes gained. Exactly. Imagine the mess that would ensue if the Green Party got into power. Most people who vote green do it because they want to make a statement, not because they want chaos. The same is true for Reform (presumably). They don't need to be credible, they just need to offer an alternative and apply pressure, much like UKIP did. And UKIP was hugely successful in what it set out to achieve. You can laugh at fringe weirdos and nut jobs, but they can apply pressure. Either if they threaten the core of a party, or hold a slim balance of power. Where is that red wall going? Starmer has been courting them almost to the exclusion of everyone else (especially the more left wing (progressive) side), and Reform is likely to do the same. It's the easiest pickings for them, and their best chance at gaining even a tiny bit of power." This is why the smaller parties are important. If you want the main parties to have better environmental policies, vote green. If you don't think the Tories are hateful enough vote UKIP/reform/BNP etc. As evidenced by UKIP in 2015, it's an effective tactic. | |||
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" The way I see it is, most people are pissed off with the Tories. The left have their place with Lab, Lib, Green. The right only really have Reform so for me Reform will be the biggest winners in terms of votes gained. Exactly. Imagine the mess that would ensue if the Green Party got into power. Most people who vote green do it because they want to make a statement, not because they want chaos. The same is true for Reform (presumably). They don't need to be credible, they just need to offer an alternative and apply pressure, much like UKIP did. And UKIP was hugely successful in what it set out to achieve. You can laugh at fringe weirdos and nut jobs, but they can apply pressure. Either if they threaten the core of a party, or hold a slim balance of power. Where is that red wall going? Starmer has been courting them almost to the exclusion of everyone else (especially the more left wing (progressive) side), and Reform is likely to do the same. It's the easiest pickings for them, and their best chance at gaining even a tiny bit of power." I've a feeling they threaten the core of the Tory party. There's an awful lot of people on the right who don't see the Tories as right anymore. | |||
" The way I see it is, most people are pissed off with the Tories. The left have their place with Lab, Lib, Green. The right only really have Reform so for me Reform will be the biggest winners in terms of votes gained. Exactly. Imagine the mess that would ensue if the Green Party got into power. Most people who vote green do it because they want to make a statement, not because they want chaos. The same is true for Reform (presumably). They don't need to be credible, they just need to offer an alternative and apply pressure, much like UKIP did. And UKIP was hugely successful in what it set out to achieve. You can laugh at fringe weirdos and nut jobs, but they can apply pressure. Either if they threaten the core of a party, or hold a slim balance of power. Where is that red wall going? Starmer has been courting them almost to the exclusion of everyone else (especially the more left wing (progressive) side), and Reform is likely to do the same. It's the easiest pickings for them, and their best chance at gaining even a tiny bit of power. I've a feeling they threaten the core of the Tory party. There's an awful lot of people on the right who don't see the Tories as right anymore." This is true. I find it odd when left wing friends criticise “the Tories”. They don’t seem to realise that we have had a Labour government for years just with a blue rosette. And of course Labour voters are going to be very disappointed after the next GE when they struggle to see any distinction between the Sunak and Starmer regimes. | |||
"Reform will tomorrow make a BIG announcement for election year... Anyone fancy a guess at what it will be? Bridgen to join the party is mine. " Nah. It’ll be the big release of their new brown shirt uniform ready to March on parliament when they lose again | |||
"It is going to be free MBGA baseball caps for all." Doesn’t have the same ring to it. Maybe they will tell the devolved nations to fuck off and the hats will be MEGA? | |||
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"Will stand in every seat in England, Scotland & Wales. Ben Habib to stand in Wellingborough bi-election" Won’t win 1 seats… split any vote they get with tories on the right to let potential labour or Lib Dem’s win in certain marginals… And I bet in the Wellingborough by election the bloke loses his deposit….. would have been better off letting bone run for reform and trying to make noise that way…. | |||
"I find it odd when left wing friends criticise “the Tories”. They don’t seem to realise that we have had a Labour government for years just with a blue rosette. " Possibly the most detached from reality post I have ever read.  | |||
"Will stand in every seat in England, Scotland & Wales. Ben Habib to stand in Wellingborough bi-election Won’t win 1 seats… split any vote they get with tories on the right to let potential labour or Lib Dem’s win in certain marginals… And I bet in the Wellingborough by election the bloke loses his deposit….. would have been better off letting bone run for reform and trying to make noise that way…." Labour are going to win regardless... I'll bookmark this though, there seems to be far too many people writing off Reform at the moment, remember Brexit? I agree they'll be splitting the vote, what should we do? Just stick to the status quo? Fuck it, Ben, you may aswell just give up now. | |||
"Will stand in every seat in England, Scotland & Wales. Ben Habib to stand in Wellingborough bi-election" I might register my interest to vote this year, do I spoil the ballot or go for it with a big fat X. | |||
"Will stand in every seat in England, Scotland & Wales. Ben Habib to stand in Wellingborough bi-election Won’t win 1 seats… split any vote they get with tories on the right to let potential labour or Lib Dem’s win in certain marginals… And I bet in the Wellingborough by election the bloke loses his deposit….. would have been better off letting bone run for reform and trying to make noise that way…. Labour are going to win regardless... I'll bookmark this though, there seems to be far too many people writing off Reform at the moment, remember Brexit? I agree they'll be splitting the vote, what should we do? Just stick to the status quo? Fuck it, Ben, you may aswell just give up now." Brexit was a referendum. Elections are not referendums. Reform will serve as nothing but a protest vote for the right-wing. Just as the Greens are for the left-wing in England. Voting for either might make individuals feel better about their vote but it changes nothing. In the end, the brexit party (as it was) got pretty much exactly what they wanted and they can't handle it. They wanted out of the EU, they got it. They wanted out of the single market, they got that. They wanted out of the customs union, they got it. They wanted out of Erasmus, they got it. They wanted out of the European Medicine Agency, they got it. And what do we see? Brexit has been an almost unmitigated disaster. The polling is clear, people think it has been a mistake. They wanted out of these institutions knowing who would be in charge. And if anything, Johnson was less anti-migration than Sunak was. Yet, they're more opposed to Sunak than they were Johnson, even though Labour are much closer to power now than they were in 2019. Reform will stand in every seat and despite the cosplaying efforts of Sunak, the right-wing will not vote for him like they did Johnson. A factor in the scale of Labour's victory this year will be Reform's decision to punish the very people they helped elect in 2019 to by and large do the things they wanted them to. | |||
"Will stand in every seat in England, Scotland & Wales. Ben Habib to stand in Wellingborough bi-election Won’t win 1 seats… split any vote they get with tories on the right to let potential labour or Lib Dem’s win in certain marginals… And I bet in the Wellingborough by election the bloke loses his deposit….. would have been better off letting bone run for reform and trying to make noise that way…. Labour are going to win regardless... I'll bookmark this though, there seems to be far too many people writing off Reform at the moment, remember Brexit? I agree they'll be splitting the vote, what should we do? Just stick to the status quo? Fuck it, Ben, you may aswell just give up now. Brexit was a referendum. Elections are not referendums. Reform will serve as nothing but a protest vote for the right-wing. Just as the Greens are for the left-wing in England. Voting for either might make individuals feel better about their vote but it changes nothing. In the end, the brexit party (as it was) got pretty much exactly what they wanted and they can't handle it. They wanted out of the EU, they got it. They wanted out of the single market, they got that. They wanted out of the customs union, they got it. They wanted out of Erasmus, they got it. They wanted out of the European Medicine Agency, they got it. And what do we see? Brexit has been an almost unmitigated disaster. The polling is clear, people think it has been a mistake. They wanted out of these institutions knowing who would be in charge. And if anything, Johnson was less anti-migration than Sunak was. Yet, they're more opposed to Sunak than they were Johnson, even though Labour are much closer to power now than they were in 2019. Reform will stand in every seat and despite the cosplaying efforts of Sunak, the right-wing will not vote for him like they did Johnson. A factor in the scale of Labour's victory this year will be Reform's decision to punish the very people they helped elect in 2019 to by and large do the things they wanted them to. " I didn't need a lesson on Brexit. The comparison was simply to say the loudest people wrote off Brexit, it seems to be the same people writing off Reform. They may win no seats but I'd say write then off at your peril. The Tories I think are starting to realise they should've taken more notice. | |||
"Will stand in every seat in England, Scotland & Wales. Ben Habib to stand in Wellingborough bi-election Won’t win 1 seats… split any vote they get with tories on the right to let potential labour or Lib Dem’s win in certain marginals… And I bet in the Wellingborough by election the bloke loses his deposit….. would have been better off letting bone run for reform and trying to make noise that way…. Labour are going to win regardless... I'll bookmark this though, there seems to be far too many people writing off Reform at the moment, remember Brexit? I agree they'll be splitting the vote, what should we do? Just stick to the status quo? Fuck it, Ben, you may aswell just give up now. Brexit was a referendum. Elections are not referendums. Reform will serve as nothing but a protest vote for the right-wing. Just as the Greens are for the left-wing in England. Voting for either might make individuals feel better about their vote but it changes nothing. In the end, the brexit party (as it was) got pretty much exactly what they wanted and they can't handle it. They wanted out of the EU, they got it. They wanted out of the single market, they got that. They wanted out of the customs union, they got it. They wanted out of Erasmus, they got it. They wanted out of the European Medicine Agency, they got it. And what do we see? Brexit has been an almost unmitigated disaster. The polling is clear, people think it has been a mistake. They wanted out of these institutions knowing who would be in charge. And if anything, Johnson was less anti-migration than Sunak was. Yet, they're more opposed to Sunak than they were Johnson, even though Labour are much closer to power now than they were in 2019. Reform will stand in every seat and despite the cosplaying efforts of Sunak, the right-wing will not vote for him like they did Johnson. A factor in the scale of Labour's victory this year will be Reform's decision to punish the very people they helped elect in 2019 to by and large do the things they wanted them to. " "Reform will serve as nothing but a protest vote for the right-wing. Just as the Greens are for the left-wing in England. Voting for either might make individuals feel better about their vote but it changes nothing." This isn't true at all, Labour lost votes to the greens so put better environmental policies in their manifesto (Starmer has since scrapped most of them). UKIP took votes from the Tories and pulled the party further to the right. Culminating in Brexit. Voting for the smaller parties does make a difference. | |||
"Will stand in every seat in England, Scotland & Wales. Ben Habib to stand in Wellingborough bi-election Won’t win 1 seats… split any vote they get with tories on the right to let potential labour or Lib Dem’s win in certain marginals… And I bet in the Wellingborough by election the bloke loses his deposit….. would have been better off letting bone run for reform and trying to make noise that way…. Labour are going to win regardless... I'll bookmark this though, there seems to be far too many people writing off Reform at the moment, remember Brexit? I agree they'll be splitting the vote, what should we do? Just stick to the status quo? Fuck it, Ben, you may aswell just give up now. Brexit was a referendum. Elections are not referendums. Reform will serve as nothing but a protest vote for the right-wing. Just as the Greens are for the left-wing in England. Voting for either might make individuals feel better about their vote but it changes nothing. In the end, the brexit party (as it was) got pretty much exactly what they wanted and they can't handle it. They wanted out of the EU, they got it. They wanted out of the single market, they got that. They wanted out of the customs union, they got it. They wanted out of Erasmus, they got it. They wanted out of the European Medicine Agency, they got it. And what do we see? Brexit has been an almost unmitigated disaster. The polling is clear, people think it has been a mistake. They wanted out of these institutions knowing who would be in charge. And if anything, Johnson was less anti-migration than Sunak was. Yet, they're more opposed to Sunak than they were Johnson, even though Labour are much closer to power now than they were in 2019. Reform will stand in every seat and despite the cosplaying efforts of Sunak, the right-wing will not vote for him like they did Johnson. A factor in the scale of Labour's victory this year will be Reform's decision to punish the very people they helped elect in 2019 to by and large do the things they wanted them to. I didn't need a lesson on Brexit. The comparison was simply to say the loudest people wrote off Brexit, it seems to be the same people writing off Reform. They may win no seats but I'd say write then off at your peril. The Tories I think are starting to realise they should've taken more notice. " If ordinary people are prepared to believe that Tice, Oakshott and Farage are truly representing the working man then our country is lost to stupidity. We had a warning when the gullible were convinced that they should vote against their best interests in 2016 and obediently, they did so in their millions. There truly is no hope for our great nation if those same people allow themselves to get blinded again by the bullshit propaganda of libertarians for a second time having seen how their promises in 2016 have panned out. | |||
"Will stand in every seat in England, Scotland & Wales. Ben Habib to stand in Wellingborough bi-election Won’t win 1 seats… split any vote they get with tories on the right to let potential labour or Lib Dem’s win in certain marginals… And I bet in the Wellingborough by election the bloke loses his deposit….. would have been better off letting bone run for reform and trying to make noise that way…. Labour are going to win regardless... I'll bookmark this though, there seems to be far too many people writing off Reform at the moment, remember Brexit? I agree they'll be splitting the vote, what should we do? Just stick to the status quo? Fuck it, Ben, you may aswell just give up now. Brexit was a referendum. Elections are not referendums. Reform will serve as nothing but a protest vote for the right-wing. Just as the Greens are for the left-wing in England. Voting for either might make individuals feel better about their vote but it changes nothing. In the end, the brexit party (as it was) got pretty much exactly what they wanted and they can't handle it. They wanted out of the EU, they got it. They wanted out of the single market, they got that. They wanted out of the customs union, they got it. They wanted out of Erasmus, they got it. They wanted out of the European Medicine Agency, they got it. And what do we see? Brexit has been an almost unmitigated disaster. The polling is clear, people think it has been a mistake. They wanted out of these institutions knowing who would be in charge. And if anything, Johnson was less anti-migration than Sunak was. Yet, they're more opposed to Sunak than they were Johnson, even though Labour are much closer to power now than they were in 2019. Reform will stand in every seat and despite the cosplaying efforts of Sunak, the right-wing will not vote for him like they did Johnson. A factor in the scale of Labour's victory this year will be Reform's decision to punish the very people they helped elect in 2019 to by and large do the things they wanted them to. I didn't need a lesson on Brexit. The comparison was simply to say the loudest people wrote off Brexit, it seems to be the same people writing off Reform. They may win no seats but I'd say write then off at your peril. The Tories I think are starting to realise they should've taken more notice. If ordinary people are prepared to believe that Tice, Oakshott and Farage are truly representing the working man then our country is lost to stupidity. We had a warning when the gullible were convinced that they should vote against their best interests in 2016 and obediently, they did so in their millions. There truly is no hope for our great nation if those same people allow themselves to get blinded again by the bullshit propaganda of libertarians for a second time having seen how their promises in 2016 have panned out. " I'm not sure if you've been paying attention but the country is already lost. I'm also not sure you've been able to read the mood, Brexit voters love Nigel Farage for what he achieved and detest the Tories for fucking it up. Being that it was the Tories who actually conducted Brexit. Whether that is correct or not doesn't really matter. | |||
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"Will stand in every seat in England, Scotland & Wales. Ben Habib to stand in Wellingborough bi-election Won’t win 1 seats… split any vote they get with tories on the right to let potential labour or Lib Dem’s win in certain marginals… And I bet in the Wellingborough by election the bloke loses his deposit….. would have been better off letting bone run for reform and trying to make noise that way…. Labour are going to win regardless... I'll bookmark this though, there seems to be far too many people writing off Reform at the moment, remember Brexit? I agree they'll be splitting the vote, what should we do? Just stick to the status quo? Fuck it, Ben, you may aswell just give up now. Brexit was a referendum. Elections are not referendums. Reform will serve as nothing but a protest vote for the right-wing. Just as the Greens are for the left-wing in England. Voting for either might make individuals feel better about their vote but it changes nothing. In the end, the brexit party (as it was) got pretty much exactly what they wanted and they can't handle it. They wanted out of the EU, they got it. They wanted out of the single market, they got that. They wanted out of the customs union, they got it. They wanted out of Erasmus, they got it. They wanted out of the European Medicine Agency, they got it. And what do we see? Brexit has been an almost unmitigated disaster. The polling is clear, people think it has been a mistake. They wanted out of these institutions knowing who would be in charge. And if anything, Johnson was less anti-migration than Sunak was. Yet, they're more opposed to Sunak than they were Johnson, even though Labour are much closer to power now than they were in 2019. Reform will stand in every seat and despite the cosplaying efforts of Sunak, the right-wing will not vote for him like they did Johnson. A factor in the scale of Labour's victory this year will be Reform's decision to punish the very people they helped elect in 2019 to by and large do the things they wanted them to. I didn't need a lesson on Brexit. The comparison was simply to say the loudest people wrote off Brexit, it seems to be the same people writing off Reform. They may win no seats but I'd say write then off at your peril. The Tories I think are starting to realise they should've taken more notice. If ordinary people are prepared to believe that Tice, Oakshott and Farage are truly representing the working man then our country is lost to stupidity. We had a warning when the gullible were convinced that they should vote against their best interests in 2016 and obediently, they did so in their millions. There truly is no hope for our great nation if those same people allow themselves to get blinded again by the bullshit propaganda of libertarians for a second time having seen how their promises in 2016 have panned out. " If growth rates in the EU were running at 10% and the politics was all sweetness and light I might think you have a point. But unfortunately they aren’t. Remoaners who believe that the failed tawdry tariff zone is some kind of political and economic nirvana are either stupid or blind. I think Brexit was just such a personal humiliation for them, for some odd reason, that a tiny minority of them have become permanently unhinged. No matter how stagnant the Uk economy is, and no matter how useless our politicians, if we want to see something worse we just need to look across at our chums in the EU. | |||
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"Will stand in every seat in England, Scotland & Wales. Ben Habib to stand in Wellingborough bi-election Won’t win 1 seats… split any vote they get with tories on the right to let potential labour or Lib Dem’s win in certain marginals… And I bet in the Wellingborough by election the bloke loses his deposit….. would have been better off letting bone run for reform and trying to make noise that way…. Labour are going to win regardless... I'll bookmark this though, there seems to be far too many people writing off Reform at the moment, remember Brexit? I agree they'll be splitting the vote, what should we do? Just stick to the status quo? Fuck it, Ben, you may aswell just give up now. Brexit was a referendum. Elections are not referendums. Reform will serve as nothing but a protest vote for the right-wing. Just as the Greens are for the left-wing in England. Voting for either might make individuals feel better about their vote but it changes nothing. In the end, the brexit party (as it was) got pretty much exactly what they wanted and they can't handle it. They wanted out of the EU, they got it. They wanted out of the single market, they got that. They wanted out of the customs union, they got it. They wanted out of Erasmus, they got it. They wanted out of the European Medicine Agency, they got it. And what do we see? Brexit has been an almost unmitigated disaster. The polling is clear, people think it has been a mistake. They wanted out of these institutions knowing who would be in charge. And if anything, Johnson was less anti-migration than Sunak was. Yet, they're more opposed to Sunak than they were Johnson, even though Labour are much closer to power now than they were in 2019. Reform will stand in every seat and despite the cosplaying efforts of Sunak, the right-wing will not vote for him like they did Johnson. A factor in the scale of Labour's victory this year will be Reform's decision to punish the very people they helped elect in 2019 to by and large do the things they wanted them to. I didn't need a lesson on Brexit. The comparison was simply to say the loudest people wrote off Brexit, it seems to be the same people writing off Reform. They may win no seats but I'd say write then off at your peril. The Tories I think are starting to realise they should've taken more notice. If ordinary people are prepared to believe that Tice, Oakshott and Farage are truly representing the working man then our country is lost to stupidity. We had a warning when the gullible were convinced that they should vote against their best interests in 2016 and obediently, they did so in their millions. There truly is no hope for our great nation if those same people allow themselves to get blinded again by the bullshit propaganda of libertarians for a second time having seen how their promises in 2016 have panned out. If growth rates in the EU were running at 10% and the politics was all sweetness and light I might think you have a point. But unfortunately they aren’t. Remoaners who believe that the failed tawdry tariff zone is some kind of political and economic nirvana are either stupid or blind. I think Brexit was just such a personal humiliation for them, for some odd reason, that a tiny minority of them have become permanently unhinged. No matter how stagnant the Uk economy is, and no matter how useless our politicians, if we want to see something worse we just need to look across at our chums in the EU." Recent surveys suggest that upto 12% of people still think Brexit was a good idea. As this chap demonstrates. So people are still very likely to vote against their own interests. | |||
"Hopefully a party will come along in time when the country is utterly fed up with Liblabcongreen uniparty coalition that has plagued this country since the early 90s. I don't think it's going to be Reform though. Reform are beyond useless. Here's what they should be doing; - Creating a coherant vision for everything that's gone wrong in the UK - Backing it up with FOI requests, research, polls etc. - Drawing up solutions, whitepapers, video essays - Running a campaign which ramps up genuine effort to be ready to take office I think Reform are pointless, opportunistic noise makers. They don't develop joined-up policy, and like Farage era-Ukip, pull their ideas out of a tombola. There is no grand design. They tell us what they'd like to see, but I don't for a moment think they'd have the first idea how to do it. With thickos like Alex Phillips and Tice, the chances of them developing intelligent policies are almost nil. The chances of the civil service enacting any sensible policies are less than nil." A party that represents the interests of British people would be nice. | |||
"Will stand in every seat in England, Scotland & Wales. Ben Habib to stand in Wellingborough bi-election Won’t win 1 seats… split any vote they get with tories on the right to let potential labour or Lib Dem’s win in certain marginals… And I bet in the Wellingborough by election the bloke loses his deposit….. would have been better off letting bone run for reform and trying to make noise that way…. Labour are going to win regardless... I'll bookmark this though, there seems to be far too many people writing off Reform at the moment, remember Brexit? I agree they'll be splitting the vote, what should we do? Just stick to the status quo? Fuck it, Ben, you may aswell just give up now. Brexit was a referendum. Elections are not referendums. Reform will serve as nothing but a protest vote for the right-wing. Just as the Greens are for the left-wing in England. Voting for either might make individuals feel better about their vote but it changes nothing. In the end, the brexit party (as it was) got pretty much exactly what they wanted and they can't handle it. They wanted out of the EU, they got it. They wanted out of the single market, they got that. They wanted out of the customs union, they got it. They wanted out of Erasmus, they got it. They wanted out of the European Medicine Agency, they got it. And what do we see? Brexit has been an almost unmitigated disaster. The polling is clear, people think it has been a mistake. They wanted out of these institutions knowing who would be in charge. And if anything, Johnson was less anti-migration than Sunak was. Yet, they're more opposed to Sunak than they were Johnson, even though Labour are much closer to power now than they were in 2019. Reform will stand in every seat and despite the cosplaying efforts of Sunak, the right-wing will not vote for him like they did Johnson. A factor in the scale of Labour's victory this year will be Reform's decision to punish the very people they helped elect in 2019 to by and large do the things they wanted them to. "Reform will serve as nothing but a protest vote for the right-wing. Just as the Greens are for the left-wing in England. Voting for either might make individuals feel better about their vote but it changes nothing." This isn't true at all, Labour lost votes to the greens so put better environmental policies in their manifesto (Starmer has since scrapped most of them). UKIP took votes from the Tories and pulled the party further to the right. Culminating in Brexit. Voting for the smaller parties does make a difference. " So, voting green won't actually have made that much of a difference? And you're missing the essential truth. So long as Labour retain a comfortable lead, voting for a smaller party achieves nothing. I suspect there will be no significant change on that front when the election comes. Sunak remains deeply unpopular, as does his party. And in elections, you need not be popular, just more popular than your opponent. The Johnsonian myth is a case in point, his polling wasn't that great. But when faced with a choice between his Conservatives and Corbyn, the electorate overwhelmingly rejected Corbyn's Labour Party. Sunak's unpopularity is such that his party could face an even bigger defeat. | |||
"Hopefully a party will come along in time when the country is utterly fed up with Liblabcongreen uniparty coalition that has plagued this country since the early 90s. I don't think it's going to be Reform though. Reform are beyond useless. Here's what they should be doing; - Creating a coherant vision for everything that's gone wrong in the UK - Backing it up with FOI requests, research, polls etc. - Drawing up solutions, whitepapers, video essays - Running a campaign which ramps up genuine effort to be ready to take office I think Reform are pointless, opportunistic noise makers. They don't develop joined-up policy, and like Farage era-Ukip, pull their ideas out of a tombola. There is no grand design. They tell us what they'd like to see, but I don't for a moment think they'd have the first idea how to do it. With thickos like Alex Phillips and Tice, the chances of them developing intelligent policies are almost nil. The chances of the civil service enacting any sensible policies are less than nil. A party that represents the interests of British people would be nice." 'British people' have varying interests, hence the needs for different parties. | |||
"Will stand in every seat in England, Scotland & Wales. Ben Habib to stand in Wellingborough bi-election Won’t win 1 seats… split any vote they get with tories on the right to let potential labour or Lib Dem’s win in certain marginals… And I bet in the Wellingborough by election the bloke loses his deposit….. would have been better off letting bone run for reform and trying to make noise that way…. Labour are going to win regardless... I'll bookmark this though, there seems to be far too many people writing off Reform at the moment, remember Brexit? I agree they'll be splitting the vote, what should we do? Just stick to the status quo? Fuck it, Ben, you may aswell just give up now. Brexit was a referendum. Elections are not referendums. Reform will serve as nothing but a protest vote for the right-wing. Just as the Greens are for the left-wing in England. Voting for either might make individuals feel better about their vote but it changes nothing. In the end, the brexit party (as it was) got pretty much exactly what they wanted and they can't handle it. They wanted out of the EU, they got it. They wanted out of the single market, they got that. They wanted out of the customs union, they got it. They wanted out of Erasmus, they got it. They wanted out of the European Medicine Agency, they got it. And what do we see? Brexit has been an almost unmitigated disaster. The polling is clear, people think it has been a mistake. They wanted out of these institutions knowing who would be in charge. And if anything, Johnson was less anti-migration than Sunak was. Yet, they're more opposed to Sunak than they were Johnson, even though Labour are much closer to power now than they were in 2019. Reform will stand in every seat and despite the cosplaying efforts of Sunak, the right-wing will not vote for him like they did Johnson. A factor in the scale of Labour's victory this year will be Reform's decision to punish the very people they helped elect in 2019 to by and large do the things they wanted them to. "Reform will serve as nothing but a protest vote for the right-wing. Just as the Greens are for the left-wing in England. Voting for either might make individuals feel better about their vote but it changes nothing." This isn't true at all, Labour lost votes to the greens so put better environmental policies in their manifesto (Starmer has since scrapped most of them). UKIP took votes from the Tories and pulled the party further to the right. Culminating in Brexit. Voting for the smaller parties does make a difference. So, voting green won't actually have made that much of a difference? And you're missing the essential truth. So long as Labour retain a comfortable lead, voting for a smaller party achieves nothing. I suspect there will be no significant change on that front when the election comes. Sunak remains deeply unpopular, as does his party. And in elections, you need not be popular, just more popular than your opponent. The Johnsonian myth is a case in point, his polling wasn't that great. But when faced with a choice between his Conservatives and Corbyn, the electorate overwhelmingly rejected Corbyn's Labour Party. Sunak's unpopularity is such that his party could face an even bigger defeat. " Voting green maybe made a small difference, and could make a larger difference in the future. Just as voting UKIP did in 2015. | |||
"Will stand in every seat in England, Scotland & Wales. Ben Habib to stand in Wellingborough bi-election Won’t win 1 seats… split any vote they get with tories on the right to let potential labour or Lib Dem’s win in certain marginals… And I bet in the Wellingborough by election the bloke loses his deposit….. would have been better off letting bone run for reform and trying to make noise that way…. Labour are going to win regardless... I'll bookmark this though, there seems to be far too many people writing off Reform at the moment, remember Brexit? I agree they'll be splitting the vote, what should we do? Just stick to the status quo? Fuck it, Ben, you may aswell just give up now. Brexit was a referendum. Elections are not referendums. Reform will serve as nothing but a protest vote for the right-wing. Just as the Greens are for the left-wing in England. Voting for either might make individuals feel better about their vote but it changes nothing. In the end, the brexit party (as it was) got pretty much exactly what they wanted and they can't handle it. They wanted out of the EU, they got it. They wanted out of the single market, they got that. They wanted out of the customs union, they got it. They wanted out of Erasmus, they got it. They wanted out of the European Medicine Agency, they got it. And what do we see? Brexit has been an almost unmitigated disaster. The polling is clear, people think it has been a mistake. They wanted out of these institutions knowing who would be in charge. And if anything, Johnson was less anti-migration than Sunak was. Yet, they're more opposed to Sunak than they were Johnson, even though Labour are much closer to power now than they were in 2019. Reform will stand in every seat and despite the cosplaying efforts of Sunak, the right-wing will not vote for him like they did Johnson. A factor in the scale of Labour's victory this year will be Reform's decision to punish the very people they helped elect in 2019 to by and large do the things they wanted them to. "Reform will serve as nothing but a protest vote for the right-wing. Just as the Greens are for the left-wing in England. Voting for either might make individuals feel better about their vote but it changes nothing." This isn't true at all, Labour lost votes to the greens so put better environmental policies in their manifesto (Starmer has since scrapped most of them). UKIP took votes from the Tories and pulled the party further to the right. Culminating in Brexit. Voting for the smaller parties does make a difference. So, voting green won't actually have made that much of a difference? And you're missing the essential truth. So long as Labour retain a comfortable lead, voting for a smaller party achieves nothing. I suspect there will be no significant change on that front when the election comes. Sunak remains deeply unpopular, as does his party. And in elections, you need not be popular, just more popular than your opponent. The Johnsonian myth is a case in point, his polling wasn't that great. But when faced with a choice between his Conservatives and Corbyn, the electorate overwhelmingly rejected Corbyn's Labour Party. Sunak's unpopularity is such that his party could face an even bigger defeat. Voting green maybe made a small difference, and could make a larger difference in the future. Just as voting UKIP did in 2015." The only way that holds, is if Sunak turns his fortunes around and the gap narrows enough for green votes to matter that much. But generally, when the leader of a major party leader is as unpopular as Sunak is, they get a hammering if their opponent is not as actively disliked. I just can't see that happening because too many liberal-minded people (some of whom voted Conservative in the past) won't vote for Sunak's party now. And as Sunak continues to cosplay as a hard-right politician, it will only strengthen that feeling. | |||
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"Will stand in every seat in England, Scotland & Wales. Ben Habib to stand in Wellingborough bi-election Won’t win 1 seats… split any vote they get with tories on the right to let potential labour or Lib Dem’s win in certain marginals… And I bet in the Wellingborough by election the bloke loses his deposit….. would have been better off letting bone run for reform and trying to make noise that way…. Labour are going to win regardless... I'll bookmark this though, there seems to be far too many people writing off Reform at the moment, remember Brexit? I agree they'll be splitting the vote, what should we do? Just stick to the status quo? Fuck it, Ben, you may aswell just give up now. Brexit was a referendum. Elections are not referendums. Reform will serve as nothing but a protest vote for the right-wing. Just as the Greens are for the left-wing in England. Voting for either might make individuals feel better about their vote but it changes nothing. In the end, the brexit party (as it was) got pretty much exactly what they wanted and they can't handle it. They wanted out of the EU, they got it. They wanted out of the single market, they got that. They wanted out of the customs union, they got it. They wanted out of Erasmus, they got it. They wanted out of the European Medicine Agency, they got it. And what do we see? Brexit has been an almost unmitigated disaster. The polling is clear, people think it has been a mistake. They wanted out of these institutions knowing who would be in charge. And if anything, Johnson was less anti-migration than Sunak was. Yet, they're more opposed to Sunak than they were Johnson, even though Labour are much closer to power now than they were in 2019. Reform will stand in every seat and despite the cosplaying efforts of Sunak, the right-wing will not vote for him like they did Johnson. A factor in the scale of Labour's victory this year will be Reform's decision to punish the very people they helped elect in 2019 to by and large do the things they wanted them to. "Reform will serve as nothing but a protest vote for the right-wing. Just as the Greens are for the left-wing in England. Voting for either might make individuals feel better about their vote but it changes nothing." This isn't true at all, Labour lost votes to the greens so put better environmental policies in their manifesto (Starmer has since scrapped most of them). UKIP took votes from the Tories and pulled the party further to the right. Culminating in Brexit. Voting for the smaller parties does make a difference. So, voting green won't actually have made that much of a difference? And you're missing the essential truth. So long as Labour retain a comfortable lead, voting for a smaller party achieves nothing. I suspect there will be no significant change on that front when the election comes. Sunak remains deeply unpopular, as does his party. And in elections, you need not be popular, just more popular than your opponent. The Johnsonian myth is a case in point, his polling wasn't that great. But when faced with a choice between his Conservatives and Corbyn, the electorate overwhelmingly rejected Corbyn's Labour Party. Sunak's unpopularity is such that his party could face an even bigger defeat. Voting green maybe made a small difference, and could make a larger difference in the future. Just as voting UKIP did in 2015. The only way that holds, is if Sunak turns his fortunes around and the gap narrows enough for green votes to matter that much. But generally, when the leader of a major party leader is as unpopular as Sunak is, they get a hammering if their opponent is not as actively disliked. I just can't see that happening because too many liberal-minded people (some of whom voted Conservative in the past) won't vote for Sunak's party now. And as Sunak continues to cosplay as a hard-right politician, it will only strengthen that feeling. " Then the choice is voting least worst main party, or for a party with policies you actually believe in. | |||
"Mass immigration, globalism, high taxes, anti-small business and self-employed, net zero lunacy, devolved assemblies running riot, wokery infesting everything. " Perhaps you could give us some real life examples and potential solutions? Otherwise this just sounds like a regurgitated list of imagined grievances that don’t actually exist in the real world. | |||
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"Will stand in every seat in England, Scotland & Wales. Ben Habib to stand in Wellingborough bi-election Won’t win 1 seats… split any vote they get with tories on the right to let potential labour or Lib Dem’s win in certain marginals… And I bet in the Wellingborough by election the bloke loses his deposit….. would have been better off letting bone run for reform and trying to make noise that way…. Labour are going to win regardless... I'll bookmark this though, there seems to be far too many people writing off Reform at the moment, remember Brexit? I agree they'll be splitting the vote, what should we do? Just stick to the status quo? Fuck it, Ben, you may aswell just give up now. Brexit was a referendum. Elections are not referendums. Reform will serve as nothing but a protest vote for the right-wing. Just as the Greens are for the left-wing in England. Voting for either might make individuals feel better about their vote but it changes nothing. In the end, the brexit party (as it was) got pretty much exactly what they wanted and they can't handle it. They wanted out of the EU, they got it. They wanted out of the single market, they got that. They wanted out of the customs union, they got it. They wanted out of Erasmus, they got it. They wanted out of the European Medicine Agency, they got it. And what do we see? Brexit has been an almost unmitigated disaster. The polling is clear, people think it has been a mistake. They wanted out of these institutions knowing who would be in charge. And if anything, Johnson was less anti-migration than Sunak was. Yet, they're more opposed to Sunak than they were Johnson, even though Labour are much closer to power now than they were in 2019. Reform will stand in every seat and despite the cosplaying efforts of Sunak, the right-wing will not vote for him like they did Johnson. A factor in the scale of Labour's victory this year will be Reform's decision to punish the very people they helped elect in 2019 to by and large do the things they wanted them to. I didn't need a lesson on Brexit. The comparison was simply to say the loudest people wrote off Brexit, it seems to be the same people writing off Reform. They may win no seats but I'd say write then off at your peril. The Tories I think are starting to realise they should've taken more notice. If ordinary people are prepared to believe that Tice, Oakshott and Farage are truly representing the working man then our country is lost to stupidity. We had a warning when the gullible were convinced that they should vote against their best interests in 2016 and obediently, they did so in their millions. There truly is no hope for our great nation if those same people allow themselves to get blinded again by the bullshit propaganda of libertarians for a second time having seen how their promises in 2016 have panned out. I'm not sure if you've been paying attention but the country is already lost. I'm also not sure you've been able to read the mood, Brexit voters love Nigel Farage for what he achieved and detest the Tories for fucking it up. Being that it was the Tories who actually conducted Brexit. Whether that is correct or not doesn't really matter. " I ignored farage but voted Brexit... I'm not convinced I'm an anomaly. | |||
"Hopefully a party will come along in time when the country is utterly fed up with Liblabcongreen uniparty coalition that has plagued this country since the early 90s. I don't think it's going to be Reform though. Reform are beyond useless. Here's what they should be doing; - Creating a coherant vision for everything that's gone wrong in the UK - Backing it up with FOI requests, research, polls etc. - Drawing up solutions, whitepapers, video essays - Running a campaign which ramps up genuine effort to be ready to take office I think Reform are pointless, opportunistic noise makers. They don't develop joined-up policy, and like Farage era-Ukip, pull their ideas out of a tombola. There is no grand design. They tell us what they'd like to see, but I don't for a moment think they'd have the first idea how to do it. With thickos like Alex Phillips and Tice, the chances of them developing intelligent policies are almost nil. The chances of the civil service enacting any sensible policies are less than nil." Less than nil | |||
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"Will stand in every seat in England, Scotland & Wales. Ben Habib to stand in Wellingborough bi-election Won’t win 1 seats… split any vote they get with tories on the right to let potential labour or Lib Dem’s win in certain marginals… And I bet in the Wellingborough by election the bloke loses his deposit….. would have been better off letting bone run for reform and trying to make noise that way…. Labour are going to win regardless... I'll bookmark this though, there seems to be far too many people writing off Reform at the moment, remember Brexit? I agree they'll be splitting the vote, what should we do? Just stick to the status quo? Fuck it, Ben, you may aswell just give up now. Brexit was a referendum. Elections are not referendums. Reform will serve as nothing but a protest vote for the right-wing. Just as the Greens are for the left-wing in England. Voting for either might make individuals feel better about their vote but it changes nothing. In the end, the brexit party (as it was) got pretty much exactly what they wanted and they can't handle it. They wanted out of the EU, they got it. They wanted out of the single market, they got that. They wanted out of the customs union, they got it. They wanted out of Erasmus, they got it. They wanted out of the European Medicine Agency, they got it. And what do we see? Brexit has been an almost unmitigated disaster. The polling is clear, people think it has been a mistake. They wanted out of these institutions knowing who would be in charge. And if anything, Johnson was less anti-migration than Sunak was. Yet, they're more opposed to Sunak than they were Johnson, even though Labour are much closer to power now than they were in 2019. Reform will stand in every seat and despite the cosplaying efforts of Sunak, the right-wing will not vote for him like they did Johnson. A factor in the scale of Labour's victory this year will be Reform's decision to punish the very people they helped elect in 2019 to by and large do the things they wanted them to. I didn't need a lesson on Brexit. The comparison was simply to say the loudest people wrote off Brexit, it seems to be the same people writing off Reform. They may win no seats but I'd say write then off at your peril. The Tories I think are starting to realise they should've taken more notice. If ordinary people are prepared to believe that Tice, Oakshott and Farage are truly representing the working man then our country is lost to stupidity. We had a warning when the gullible were convinced that they should vote against their best interests in 2016 and obediently, they did so in their millions. There truly is no hope for our great nation if those same people allow themselves to get blinded again by the bullshit propaganda of libertarians for a second time having seen how their promises in 2016 have panned out. I'm not sure if you've been paying attention but the country is already lost. I'm also not sure you've been able to read the mood, Brexit voters love Nigel Farage for what he achieved and detest the Tories for fucking it up. Being that it was the Tories who actually conducted Brexit. Whether that is correct or not doesn't really matter. I ignored farage but voted Brexit... I'm not convinced I'm an anomaly." You're quite probably not the only person, I would hazard a guess that more Brexit voters like him than loathe him. You said you ignored him. Did you loathe him or just ignore him? | |||
"Again people will be mad to vote for Tories but if you see how Labour run things in Wales and places like London and other Labour cities then I say this by speaking for myself that I geniunely fear a Labour government bringing more annoying and senseless woke policies from ULEZ schemes across the country to gender recognition and any other lunay policies they looking to bring" How is the ULEZ related to people who are aware of social injustice, especially racism? | |||
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"Reform will tomorrow make a BIG announcement for election year... Anyone fancy a guess at what it will be? Bridgen to join the party is mine. It might well include farage but apparently this is also about policies. The story I read said the reform party feel they have done plenty of damage to the Tories and may now focus more on attacking Labour, specifically aiming for the so called red wall voters. Maybe it's some proposed policies like: A. Anyone found guilty of being "woke" to be stoned at the stake with rocks measured in imperial measurements. B. Scientists and other so called "experts" to be sent to work in reopened Cornish tin mines. C. Poor people to be paraded in the streets for the rich to throw rotten veg at. D. Make it illegal not to blame foreigners for everything. Maybe they will put forward your assumptions if they feel natural Labour voters will be interested. If the article was correct it seems they calculate winning over more Labour voters than others, given they have already taken plenty from the Tories already. With our first past the post system I don't see them getting much in the way of seats, if any so probably irrelevant what they announce These are just slight exaggerations of their current policies. " Perhaps they are but the decision if it's taken is will these policies attract natural Labour voters like the red wall. This us of course assuming that reform do indeed turn their focus to attacking Labour. Either way, like most small parties including the old UKIP, they may get a reasonable percentage overall but won't get any seats due to our system. | |||
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"Because it targets people who are the least well off to get a new car thats compliant to avoid the charge" . So it's woke to oppose the ULEZ? | |||
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"Yeap because the mordern cars of today even from 15 years ago emitt litle to no emissions from their exhaust. So to say ULEZ is there to help or prevent emissions and help the evironment is redundant. Is there for one thing only and its to raise revenue just as much as LTNs are too" Did the bosses at VW tell you that? I think I've heard that one before. | |||
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"Again people will be mad to vote for Tories but if you see how Labour run things in Wales and places like London and other Labour cities then I say this by speaking for myself that I geniunely fear a Labour government bringing more annoying and senseless woke policies from ULEZ schemes across the country to gender recognition and any other lunay policies they looking to bring" ULEZ wasn't a labour baby  | |||
"Will stand in every seat in England, Scotland & Wales. Ben Habib to stand in Wellingborough bi-election Won’t win 1 seats… split any vote they get with tories on the right to let potential labour or Lib Dem’s win in certain marginals… And I bet in the Wellingborough by election the bloke loses his deposit….. would have been better off letting bone run for reform and trying to make noise that way…. Labour are going to win regardless... I'll bookmark this though, there seems to be far too many people writing off Reform at the moment, remember Brexit? I agree they'll be splitting the vote, what should we do? Just stick to the status quo? Fuck it, Ben, you may aswell just give up now. Brexit was a referendum. Elections are not referendums. Reform will serve as nothing but a protest vote for the right-wing. Just as the Greens are for the left-wing in England. Voting for either might make individuals feel better about their vote but it changes nothing. In the end, the brexit party (as it was) got pretty much exactly what they wanted and they can't handle it. They wanted out of the EU, they got it. They wanted out of the single market, they got that. They wanted out of the customs union, they got it. They wanted out of Erasmus, they got it. They wanted out of the European Medicine Agency, they got it. And what do we see? Brexit has been an almost unmitigated disaster. The polling is clear, people think it has been a mistake. They wanted out of these institutions knowing who would be in charge. And if anything, Johnson was less anti-migration than Sunak was. Yet, they're more opposed to Sunak than they were Johnson, even though Labour are much closer to power now than they were in 2019. Reform will stand in every seat and despite the cosplaying efforts of Sunak, the right-wing will not vote for him like they did Johnson. A factor in the scale of Labour's victory this year will be Reform's decision to punish the very people they helped elect in 2019 to by and large do the things they wanted them to. I didn't need a lesson on Brexit. The comparison was simply to say the loudest people wrote off Brexit, it seems to be the same people writing off Reform. They may win no seats but I'd say write then off at your peril. The Tories I think are starting to realise they should've taken more notice. If ordinary people are prepared to believe that Tice, Oakshott and Farage are truly representing the working man then our country is lost to stupidity. We had a warning when the gullible were convinced that they should vote against their best interests in 2016 and obediently, they did so in their millions. There truly is no hope for our great nation if those same people allow themselves to get blinded again by the bullshit propaganda of libertarians for a second time having seen how their promises in 2016 have panned out. I'm not sure if you've been paying attention but the country is already lost. I'm also not sure you've been able to read the mood, Brexit voters love Nigel Farage for what he achieved and detest the Tories for fucking it up. Being that it was the Tories who actually conducted Brexit. Whether that is correct or not doesn't really matter. I ignored farage but voted Brexit... I'm not convinced I'm an anomaly. You're quite probably not the only person, I would hazard a guess that more Brexit voters like him than loathe him. You said you ignored him. Did you loathe him or just ignore him?" The bus thingy put me off, so I ignored him. | |||
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"And lets face it statistically ethnic minorities are the least well off in the country" Perhaps percentage wise but not numberwise. | |||
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"Actually ULEZ was a Labour idea initially brought up by Ken Livingston before Boris Johnson decided to take the idea from him" Baby-napping | |||
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"Im not gonna let someone like Sadiq Khan or anybody else who shares the same view as him price me out my car or stop me from travelling the world by plane because they have this crazy believe that we have a major problem with our climate and should stop driving or travelling to help the evironment. Now while I believe there's an issue with the climate at the moment I dont believe the hell mary armargeddon scare stories that some of you woke folks like to preach about if nothings done about it or stop the things that make life a lil worth living" The "crazy belief that we have a major problem with our climate" is actually real life science. And you don't have to "not believe" you can choose to learn and understand what's going on instead. That would be a good starting point. | |||
"Would Reforming the M way speed limit be a vote winner.... ?" Yep. 90mph in good Weather and 60 in bad weather would get my vote. | |||
"Would Reforming the M way speed limit be a vote winner.... ?" Not a vote winner but they do need reforming. I would go to 'smart speed limits' weather dependant. | |||
"Im not gonna let someone like Sadiq Khan or anybody else who shares the same view as him price me out my car or stop me from travelling the world by plane because they have this crazy believe that we have a major problem with our climate and should stop driving or travelling to help the evironment. Now while I believe there's an issue with the climate at the moment I dont believe the hell mary armargeddon scare stories that some of you woke folks like to preach about if nothings done about it or stop the things that make life a lil worth living The "crazy belief that we have a major problem with our climate" is actually real life science. And you don't have to "not believe" you can choose to learn and understand what's going on instead. That would be a good starting point. " As I said I'm aware there a problem with the climate but I dont believe scare stories that come with but lets agree to disagree on this | |||
"Would Reforming the M way speed limit be a vote winner.... ?" Bad idea the race track is down to 1 lane due too not a scoobie doo second lane rear view mirror navigators.  | |||
"Im not gonna let someone like Sadiq Khan or anybody else who shares the same view as him price me out my car or stop me from travelling the world by plane because they have this crazy believe that we have a major problem with our climate and should stop driving or travelling to help the evironment. Now while I believe there's an issue with the climate at the moment I dont believe the hell mary armargeddon scare stories that some of you woke folks like to preach about if nothings done about it or stop the things that make life a lil worth living The "crazy belief that we have a major problem with our climate" is actually real life science. And you don't have to "not believe" you can choose to learn and understand what's going on instead. That would be a good starting point. As I said I'm aware there a problem with the climate but I dont believe scare stories that come with but lets agree to disagree on this" I don't know what scare stories you mean. But anyway, if you think it's good to be woke (you mentioned it was woke to oppose the ULEZ), I don't think Reform are the party for you. | |||
"Would Reforming the M way speed limit be a vote winner.... ? Bad idea the race track is down to 1 lane due too not a scoobie doo second lane rear view mirror navigators. "I hear 90pc of middle lane drivers voted leave .... | |||
"Im not gonna let someone like Sadiq Khan or anybody else who shares the same view as him price me out my car or stop me from travelling the world by plane because they have this crazy believe that we have a major problem with our climate and should stop driving or travelling to help the evironment. Now while I believe there's an issue with the climate at the moment I dont believe the hell mary armargeddon scare stories that some of you woke folks like to preach about if nothings done about it or stop the things that make life a lil worth living The "crazy belief that we have a major problem with our climate" is actually real life science. And you don't have to "not believe" you can choose to learn and understand what's going on instead. That would be a good starting point. As I said I'm aware there a problem with the climate but I dont believe scare stories that come with but lets agree to disagree on this I don't know what scare stories you mean. But anyway, if you think it's good to be woke (you mentioned it was woke to oppose the ULEZ), I don't think Reform are the party for you. " How are Reform woke? | |||
"Im not gonna let someone like Sadiq Khan or anybody else who shares the same view as him price me out my car or stop me from travelling the world by plane because they have this crazy believe that we have a major problem with our climate and should stop driving or travelling to help the evironment. Now while I believe there's an issue with the climate at the moment I dont believe the hell mary armargeddon scare stories that some of you woke folks like to preach about if nothings done about it or stop the things that make life a lil worth living The "crazy belief that we have a major problem with our climate" is actually real life science. And you don't have to "not believe" you can choose to learn and understand what's going on instead. That would be a good starting point. As I said I'm aware there a problem with the climate but I dont believe scare stories that come with but lets agree to disagree on this I don't know what scare stories you mean. But anyway, if you think it's good to be woke (you mentioned it was woke to oppose the ULEZ), I don't think Reform are the party for you. How are Reform woke?" They're not, they have policies on their website to keep out anyone who is aware of social injustice, especially racism, out of schools. You implied you were woke because you oppose the ULEZ. | |||
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"I wont be voting for Sunak or Starmer as they both suck and plus they're 2 sides of the same socialist coin. So will take my chances in an untested party and see if they offer anything different. Now I dont have any hopes that they will be different to Labour or Conservatives but gonna see how bad they will be although I dont think they be as bad as Tories or Labour" Socialist, that is laughable. How is Sunak socialist? | |||
"I wont be voting for Sunak or Starmer as they both suck and plus they're 2 sides of the same socialist coin. So will take my chances in an untested party and see if they offer anything different. Now I dont have any hopes that they will be different to Labour or Conservatives but gonna see how bad they will be although I dont think they be as bad as Tories or Labour" What's this got to do with the Reform party being against woke people like yourself? | |||
"I wont be voting for Sunak or Starmer as they both suck and plus they're 2 sides of the same socialist coin. So will take my chances in an untested party and see if they offer anything different. Now I dont have any hopes that they will be different to Labour or Conservatives but gonna see how bad they will be although I dont think they be as bad as Tories or Labour Socialist, that is laughable. How is Sunak socialist?" it is not the spoon that bends but you. Usually socialists government's are good at looking after everyone including guests raiding the public purse and leaving a big bill. | |||
"I wont be voting for Sunak or Starmer as they both suck and plus they're 2 sides of the same socialist coin. So will take my chances in an untested party and see if they offer anything different. Now I dont have any hopes that they will be different to Labour or Conservatives but gonna see how bad they will be although I dont think they be as bad as Tories or Labour Socialist, that is laughable. How is Sunak socialist? it is not the spoon that bends but you. Usually socialists government's are good at looking after everyone including guests raiding the public purse and leaving a big bill. " And Mr sunak has been spending the coin since 2020. | |||
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"I wont be voting for Sunak or Starmer as they both suck and plus they're 2 sides of the same socialist coin. So will take my chances in an untested party and see if they offer anything different. Now I dont have any hopes that they will be different to Labour or Conservatives but gonna see how bad they will be although I dont think they be as bad as Tories or Labour" Choices: Latest (Conservative) Government: successes Nil. Failures - Almost 14 years of wage decline, Government incompetence, cronyism , lies, corruption in plain sight, every public service worse now than it was 14 years Last (Labour) Government: successes - GDP per capita at its highest level ever, reduced NHS waiting times, eliminated rough sleeping, implemented nation saving post-financial crisis measures. Failures - Blindly followed US into disastrous Iraq war. Whilst past performance is no guarantee of future performance, I think that 14 years of decline overseen by an evidently incompetent Government will be recognised by most people and the Conservatives will be well and truly binned. If people can think, then they have a choice of voting for a Labour Party that at worst will at least deliver quiet politics and just let us live our lives. Or people can vote Lib Dem’s or Greens but with no hope of them ever forming a government. Then there is the Limited Company (Reform Ltd) that is grifting on the back of a hard right playbook. Taking donations that benefit solely its Shareholders and using that tired old policy of making the hard of thinking believe that someone (immigrant, benefit scrounger - etc) is going to take away what they have. I know who I will be voting for. | |||
"I wont be voting for Sunak or Starmer as they both suck and plus they're 2 sides of the same socialist coin. So will take my chances in an untested party and see if they offer anything different. Now I dont have any hopes that they will be different to Labour or Conservatives but gonna see how bad they will be although I dont think they be as bad as Tories or Labour Choices: Latest (Conservative) Government: successes Nil. Failures - Almost 14 years of wage decline, Government incompetence, cronyism , lies, corruption in plain sight, every public service worse now than it was 14 years Last (Labour) Government: successes - GDP per capita at its highest level ever, reduced NHS waiting times, eliminated rough sleeping, implemented nation saving post-financial crisis measures. Failures - Blindly followed US into disastrous Iraq war. Whilst past performance is no guarantee of future performance, I think that 14 years of decline overseen by an evidently incompetent Government will be recognised by most people and the Conservatives will be well and truly binned. If people can think, then they have a choice of voting for a Labour Party that at worst will at least deliver quiet politics and just let us live our lives. Or people can vote Lib Dem’s or Greens but with no hope of them ever forming a government. Then there is the Limited Company (Reform Ltd) that is grifting on the back of a hard right playbook. Taking donations that benefit solely its Shareholders and using that tired old policy of making the hard of thinking believe that someone (immigrant, benefit scrounger - etc) is going to take away what they have. I know who I will be voting for. " All political party's are limited company's, registered on dun and bradstreet. | |||
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"I have been a life long Tory voter, but I made my decision to switch to the Reform Party when Boris left number 10.The Tories have failed to keep their promises to fully implement Brexit, they have failed to stop the mass illegal immigration, they have failed to stop the small boats they have failed to get the planes off to Rwanda and they have failed to leave the ECHR. I know a lot of staunch Tories who will also be voting for Reform this time. " I don't know what full implement Brexit means to you (as it's a subjective definition) but I'm not sure what they promised to deliver but haven't versus their manifesto. However I agree they haven't done much on asylum seekers (other than possibly react to the Albanian issue somewhat). But that is because it is bloomin hard. And we're therefore making promises they couldn't keep. (As the Rwanda scheme showed it was UK domestic law as well as international that got in the way) What makes you believe reform could do what the Tories promised but couldn't ? | |||
"I have been a life long Tory voter, but I made my decision to switch to the Reform Party when Boris left number 10.The Tories have failed to keep their promises to fully implement Brexit, they have failed to stop the mass illegal immigration, they have failed to stop the small boats they have failed to get the planes off to Rwanda and they have failed to leave the ECHR. I know a lot of staunch Tories who will also be voting for Reform this time. " A different, and equally important view. | |||
"I have been a life long Tory voter, but I made my decision to switch to the Reform Party when Boris left number 10.The Tories have failed to keep their promises to fully implement Brexit, they have failed to stop the mass illegal immigration, they have failed to stop the small boats they have failed to get the planes off to Rwanda and they have failed to leave the ECHR. I know a lot of staunch Tories who will also be voting for Reform this time. " So how did you cope when the Conservative Party was unashamedly the Party of “One Nation Conservatives”? Did you vote for them because you had always voted for them or because you believed in the philosophy of One Nation Conservatism? | |||
"I have been a life long Tory voter, but I made my decision to switch to the Reform Party when Boris left number 10.The Tories have failed to keep their promises to fully implement Brexit, they have failed to stop the mass illegal immigration, they have failed to stop the small boats they have failed to get the planes off to Rwanda and they have failed to leave the ECHR. I know a lot of staunch Tories who will also be voting for Reform this time. " Splitting the vote share amongst ideologically rabid extreme right wingers is luckily going to stop either of them implementing their harm as much | |||
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"I have been a life long Tory voter, but I made my decision to switch to the Reform Party when Boris left number 10.The Tories have failed to keep their promises to fully implement Brexit, they have failed to stop the mass illegal immigration, they have failed to stop the small boats they have failed to get the planes off to Rwanda and they have failed to leave the ECHR. I know a lot of staunch Tories who will also be voting for Reform this time. " Was leaving the ECHR a brexit promise? | |||
""Rabid extreme right wingers" ie anyone who disagrees with me , and most of the general population " The further to the right usually don't agree with reality, rather than with others. Brexit is a good idea. Climate science isn't real. Moon is made of Vintage cheddar from Tesco. People who are aware of social injustice, especially racism, are the big problem in this country. Look at those brown people in that small boat over there Etc etc | |||
"I have been a life long Tory voter, but I made my decision to switch to the Reform Party when Boris left number 10.The Tories have failed to keep their promises to fully implement Brexit, they have failed to stop the mass illegal immigration, they have failed to stop the small boats they have failed to get the planes off to Rwanda and they have failed to leave the ECHR. I know a lot of staunch Tories who will also be voting for Reform this time. Splitting the vote share amongst ideologically rabid extreme right wingers is luckily going to stop either of them implementing their harm as much " So anyone who dosnt vote for a left leaning party is an extreme rabid right winger? | |||
""Rabid extreme right wingers" ie anyone who disagrees with me , and most of the general population The further to the right usually don't agree with reality, rather than with others. Brexit is a good idea. Climate science isn't real. Moon is made of Vintage cheddar from Tesco. People who are aware of social injustice, especially racism, are the big problem in this country. Look at those brown people in that small boat over there Etc etc " BINGO Full House | |||
""Rabid extreme right wingers" ie anyone who disagrees with me , and most of the general population " Yep . When the far left call people bigots for not sharing their view ,they fail to see the irony if what they gave said. | |||
""Rabid extreme right wingers" ie anyone who disagrees with me , and most of the general population Yep . When the far left call people bigots for not sharing their view ,they fail to see the irony if what they gave said. " Let’s br fair, we (all of us) can hold up a mirror to all of us (inc ourselves) at times. Right wingers are just as guilty of irony and freely throw around insults. What would be nice would be if people with different views could just have a conversation and exchange of views (even robustly) without resorting to childish name calling and personal attacks on other posters. | |||
""Rabid extreme right wingers" ie anyone who disagrees with me , and most of the general population Yep . When the far left call people bigots for not sharing their view ,they fail to see the irony if what they gave said. Let’s br fair, we (all of us) can hold up a mirror to all of us (inc ourselves) at times. Right wingers are just as guilty of irony and freely throw around insults. What would be nice would be if people with different views could just have a conversation and exchange of views (even robustly) without resorting to childish name calling and personal attacks on other posters."  | |||
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"I read reforms manifesto, it's a complete fairy tale. It promises things that are impossible as we couldn't afford it or things that are out of their hands. Most of it is centered round "stop the boats" no mention of important stuff like new global trade deals that were promised after brexit. Speaking of brexit and promises to deliver it. Wasn't it delivered in 2020?" Their policies feel like they were written by an AI that was give The Daily Express, infowars, the Beano, Alf Garnet, and Qanon as the reference points. | |||
"I read reforms manifesto, it's a complete fairy tale. It promises things that are impossible as we couldn't afford it or things that are out of their hands. Most of it is centered round "stop the boats" no mention of important stuff like new global trade deals that were promised after brexit. Speaking of brexit and promises to deliver it. Wasn't it delivered in 2020? Their policies feel like they were written by an AI that was give The Daily Express, infowars, the Beano, Alf Garnet, and Qanon as the reference points." Well yes Lower taxs Reduce energy bills Cut waiting times in the NHS to zero? Stop all illegal immigration Reduce crime Make Britain great again? All so easy to accomplish! | |||
