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How to stop NHS doc/consultants/staff strikes

By *randMrsLP OP Couple over a year ago

london

Easily done if there is a will

1: Give all NHS medically qualified staff 12 moths notice re no strike contract. Then its take it or leave and I bet you many will shout bout it but no more than the usual number will leave.

2: Two choices who decides NHS staffs pay. First option, an indepenedent bod to determine pay rise.

Or. One body determines ALL government employed staff pay, EG, NHS, Fire Brigade, Police and MP's etc.

Simple soultions but our politicians do not have the brain cell to recognise this

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By *r-8-BBCMan over a year ago

LONDON

"Easily done if there is a will

1: Give all NHS medically qualified staff 12 moths notice re no strike contract. Then its take it or leave and I bet you many will shout bout it but no more than the usual number will leave.

2: Two choices who decides NHS staffs pay. First option, an indepenedent bod to determine pay rise.

Or. One body determines ALL government employed staff pay, EG, NHS, Fire Brigade, Police and MP's etc.

Simple soultions but our politicians do not have the brain cell to recognise this"

I think the NHS nurses deserve what they've been asking for ! The government can afford it don't believe their lies !

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Do the war in Ukraine next. Solve that

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Easily done if there is a will

1: Give all NHS medically qualified staff 12 moths notice re no strike contract. Then its take it or leave and I bet you many will shout bout it but no more than the usual number will leave.

2: Two choices who decides NHS staffs pay. First option, an indepenedent bod to determine pay rise.

Or. One body determines ALL government employed staff pay, EG, NHS, Fire Brigade, Police and MP's etc.

Simple soultions but our politicians do not have the brain cell to recognise this"
all I will say is honestly we would be fooked within a week

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By *ools and the brainCouple over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

Your all heart OP.

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By *eordieJeansCouple over a year ago

Newcastle upon Tyne

So your first action would be to ban strikes? Will you take their right to a break next? Maybe maternity leave? Paid holidays?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Genius

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Well, I'm sure countries like the US and Australia will be delighted by that. Not only do they pay doctors and nurses more (which is why UK doctors etc are going there), but they also don't solve labour problems by stripping workers' rights (well, maybe they do, but not quite like this...)

Let's take away your right to strike, OP, 12 month run. Your job is your job, take it or leave it, no matter how much it sucks. Cool beans?

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"So your first action would be to ban strikes? Will you take their right to a break next? Maybe maternity leave? Paid holidays?"

Chain the motherfuckers to patient beds, how dare they request things like safe numbers of staff and pay that keeps (some of) them out of food banks. Ungrateful bastards.

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By *itty9899Man over a year ago

Craggy Island

"Easily done if there is a will

1: Give all NHS medically qualified staff 12 moths notice re no strike contract. Then its take it or leave and I bet you many will shout bout it but no more than the usual number will leave.

2: Two choices who decides NHS staffs pay. First option, an indepenedent bod to determine pay rise.

Or. One body determines ALL government employed staff pay, EG, NHS, Fire Brigade, Police and MP's etc.

Simple soultions but our politicians do not have the brain cell to recognise this"

Pay them what they want and deserve.

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By *randMrsLP OP Couple over a year ago

london

I should have said, been more clear. About the one body for aLL government employed people - Everyone gets the same pay ris including the MP's.

A few years back I did a couple of year stint with a London coucil - we did not get a pay rise as it was frozen for 3 years I think - people banged on about they'd leave, but they did not

The NHS is on her knees, appoints are being cancelled and waiting lists get longer - strikes do not help waiting lists . I bet you there will be a lot of overtime offered after the strikes that will cost us the taxpayers even more money.

Its no good throwing money at the NHS, the NHS needs an overhaoul that makes it more effiencet.

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By *eordieJeansCouple over a year ago

Newcastle upon Tyne

"So your first action would be to ban strikes? Will you take their right to a break next? Maybe maternity leave? Paid holidays?

Chain the motherfuckers to patient beds, how dare they request things like safe numbers of staff and pay that keeps (some of) them out of food banks. Ungrateful bastards."

Vote Farage in. He’ll sort the lazy fuckers out. Maybe we’ll be able to see an English doctor too because nationality means everything when someone is saving my life.

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By *randMrsLP OP Couple over a year ago

london

"Well, I'm sure countries like the US and Australia will be delighted by that. Not only do they pay doctors and nurses more (which is why UK doctors etc are going there), but they also don't solve labour problems by stripping workers' rights (well, maybe they do, but not quite like this...)

Let's take away your right to strike, OP, 12 month run. Your job is your job, take it or leave it, no matter how much it sucks. Cool beans?"

The police and our armed forces have a no strile agreement and they MANAGE

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"I should have said, been more clear. About the one body for aLL government employed people - Everyone gets the same pay ris including the MP's.

A few years back I did a couple of year stint with a London coucil - we did not get a pay rise as it was frozen for 3 years I think - people banged on about they'd leave, but they did not

Its no good throwing money at the NHS, the NHS needs an overhaoul that makes it more effiencet."

Strikes are a last resort when everything else has failed.

You're looking at the final "please ffs help us" from a body of staff that are pleading for what they need, and blaming them, rather than the causes of it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I should have said, been more clear. About the one body for aLL government employed people - Everyone gets the same pay ris including the MP's.

A few years back I did a couple of year stint with a London coucil - we did not get a pay rise as it was frozen for 3 years I think - people banged on about they'd leave, but they did not

Its no good throwing money at the NHS, the NHS needs an overhaoul that makes it more effiencet."

The more you reply the more I’m starting to think it isn’t as easy a task as you had originally said

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Let's take away your right to strike, OP, 12 month run. Your job is your job, take it or leave it, no matter how much it sucks. Cool beans?

The police and our armed forces have a no strile agreement and they MANAGE"

So their pay are great and the conditions (promised at least to the military) are decent and dignified, yeah? The government hasn't screwed them because one of the powers of workers to resist conditions and poor pay has been taken away?

... lol yeah I thought so

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I should have said, been more clear. About the one body for aLL government employed people - Everyone gets the same pay ris including the MP's.

A few years back I did a couple of year stint with a London coucil - we did not get a pay rise as it was frozen for 3 years I think - people banged on about they'd leave, but they did not

Its no good throwing money at the NHS, the NHS needs an overhaoul that makes it more effiencet."
yes it definitely needs a overhaul but from the top and from procurement not staff

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Let's take away your right to strike, OP, 12 month run. Your job is your job, take it or leave it, no matter how much it sucks. Cool beans?

The police and our armed forces have a no strile agreement and they MANAGE"
exactly manage there not exactly overwhelmed with applications

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By *ed VoluptaWoman over a year ago

Wirral.

Its no good throwing money at the NHS, the NHS needs an overhaoul that makes it more effiencet."

I've been saying this for years. An awful lot of mismanagement & waste is what's crippling our NHS, not front line workers demanding a pay rise.

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By *reyToTheFairiesWoman over a year ago

Carlisle usually

But without the strike days how will the staff make it to the food banks during opening hours?

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Its no good throwing money at the NHS, the NHS needs an overhaoul that makes it more effiencet.

I've been saying this for years. An awful lot of mismanagement & waste is what's crippling our NHS, not front line workers demanding a pay rise."

It's easier to blame the nurses who dare to want housing and enough to eat for their work, rather than the structures and those who put them there.

At least this shower of shit will be out by the end of the year. I just hope the other lot have better ideas.

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By *randMrsLP OP Couple over a year ago

london

"I should have said, been more clear. About the one body for aLL government employed people - Everyone gets the same pay ris including the MP's.

A few years back I did a couple of year stint with a London coucil - we did not get a pay rise as it was frozen for 3 years I think - people banged on about they'd leave, but they did not

Its no good throwing money at the NHS, the NHS needs an overhaoul that makes it more effiencet. yes it definitely needs a overhaul but from the top and from procurement not staff "

Agreed!

Top down. I have several members of the family that are doctors/consultants etc they all agree something needs to be done especially the contracts of senior consultants.

No strike agreements are in palce for millions EG, police officers etc and our armed forces - it works

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By *randMrsLP OP Couple over a year ago

london

Its no good throwing money at the NHS, the NHS needs an overhaoul that makes it more effiencet.

I've been saying this for years. An awful lot of mismanagement & waste is what's crippling our NHS, not front line workers demanding a pay rise."

Exactly that and procurement is a massive problem/waste of time when buying in services/goods/etc

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By *inaTitzTV/TS over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

Yikes

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Let's take away your right to strike, OP, 12 month run. Your job is your job, take it or leave it, no matter how much it sucks. Cool beans?

The police and our armed forces have a no strile agreement and they MANAGE"

That's who you need when you're in hospital and your life is on the line, someone who's just 'managing'

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yikes

You still do forum insurance?

I'd be setting up a stall nearby

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By *illan-KillashMan over a year ago

London/Sussex/Surrey/Berks/Hants

"I should have said, been more clear. About the one body for aLL government employed people - Everyone gets the same pay ris including the MP's.

A few years back I did a couple of year stint with a London coucil - we did not get a pay rise as it was frozen for 3 years I think - people banged on about they'd leave, but they did not

Its no good throwing money at the NHS, the NHS needs an overhaoul that makes it more effiencet."

I'm not 100% certain about how strikes are organised these days.

I know a few years ago nurses only went on strike on days they weren't rostered to work.

So strikes cost nothing and didn't impact on waiting times/lists.

Maybe it's different now.

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By *phialtesMan over a year ago

Beyond the Wall

"Simple soultions but our politicians do not have the brain cell to recognise this"

Have you been directly impacted by the strikes or is this just a strongly held opinion?

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By *ed VoluptaWoman over a year ago

Wirral.

Its no good throwing money at the NHS, the NHS needs an overhaoul that makes it more effiencet.

I've been saying this for years. An awful lot of mismanagement & waste is what's crippling our NHS, not front line workers demanding a pay rise.

Exactly that and procurement is a massive problem/waste of time when buying in services/goods/etc"

It seems to be the same in all public sectors. I'm a civil servant & the wastage I see due to bureaocracy and red tape infuriates me.

It's not that I want to see the NHS privatised, but it does need to be run better. Maybe lose some of the myriad levels of management & employ more nurses?

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

"I should have said, been more clear. About the one body for aLL government employed people - Everyone gets the same pay ris including the MP's.

A few years back I did a couple of year stint with a London coucil - we did not get a pay rise as it was frozen for 3 years I think - people banged on about they'd leave, but they did not

Its no good throwing money at the NHS, the NHS needs an overhaoul that makes it more effiencet."

Overhauls will not resolve staff being underpaid

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS over a year ago

Stockport

Let's take away your right to strike, OP, 12 month run. Your job is your job, take it or leave it, no matter how much it sucks. Cool beans?

The police and our armed forces have a no strile agreement and they MANAGE"

There's no police when you need one and our armed forces are on their knees, we're utterly fucked if there's any serious need for defence.

How about all members of the cabinet get same wages as a junior nurse, they have to do 100% attendance with scores for performance, jail sentence if they nick even a paperclip or tell a lie, £10 bonus payment at Christmas if they have been good, and they have to lead from the front lines if they are the cause of taking us not an armed conflict.

It'd get rid of all the lazy entitled fuckwads that are in there now, and whoever did take the jobs on would be an improvement.

If you want to enforce Draconian terms of employment, start at the very top. Or be prepared for doing sl@ve labour yourself, because once you've established the principle for poor people, it'll slowly work upwards until it gets you yourself.

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By *ong-leggedblondWoman over a year ago

Next Door

"Easily done if there is a will

1: Give all NHS medically qualified staff 12 moths notice re no strike contract. Then its take it or leave and I bet you many will shout bout it but no more than the usual number will leave.

2: Two choices who decides NHS staffs pay. First option, an indepenedent bod to determine pay rise.

Or. One body determines ALL government employed staff pay, EG, NHS, Fire Brigade, Police and MP's etc.

Simple soultions but our politicians do not have the brain cell to recognise this

Pay them what they want and deserve. "

Agree.

Maybe cut the politicians wages/expenses also.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"I should have said, been more clear. About the one body for aLL government employed people - Everyone gets the same pay ris including the MP's.

A few years back I did a couple of year stint with a London coucil - we did not get a pay rise as it was frozen for 3 years I think - people banged on about they'd leave, but they did not

Its no good throwing money at the NHS, the NHS needs an overhaoul that makes it more effiencet.

I'm not 100% certain about how strikes are organised these days.

I know a few years ago nurses only went on strike on days they weren't rostered to work.

So strikes cost nothing and didn't impact on waiting times/lists.

Maybe it's different now.

Years ago my HCW ex engaged in a work to rule strike.

A strike that meant that they did the work they were contracted to do, and no more.

It caused chaos, because the NHS runs on goodwill and people working extra for free.

If we want saintly heroic healthcare providers that never complain, we should get rid of humans and have robots.

If we believe (as I do) that humans are the best to provide healthcare, we need to listen to their safety concerns, pay them properly, and invest in the circumstances that allow them to do their jobs safely.

... or we could just decide that anyone in healthcare gets less rights than the rest of us, and have it go just as well as it's going there.

Look. Look how well it's going. We sport arr bois!

(Source: search within the last month - so I'm not bitching about ancient stuff, restricted to news sites within forum rules)

https://www.bedfordtoday.co.uk/news/politics/bedfordshire-mp-raises-fears-over-heart-breaking-military-living-conditions-as-ministers-reveal-plans-to-sell-chicksands-base-4456330

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/12/05/military-housing-in-a-far-worse-state-than-anticipated/

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/police-scotland-funding-we-can-only-hope-and-pray-that-we-do-not-witness-a-disaster-says-federation/ar-AA1lytet

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/half-of-police-forces-not-investigating-crime-properly/ar-AA1marX3

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Lovely. Happy. Yay. Great.

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

Make all politicians and those that aspire to be use the NHS only for themselves and their families.

Make them all read 'This is Going To Hurt' by Adam Kay...three times.

Then send them in to negotiate

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Make all politicians and those that aspire to be use the NHS only for themselves and their families.

Make them all read 'This is Going To Hurt' by Adam Kay...three times.

Then send them in to negotiate "

Then put them on a policing shift on a Friday night followed by sleeping in substandard military accommodation.

And somehow convince them that our front line workers are just as human as they are and deserve dignity and safety just as much as they do

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By *londebiguyMan over a year ago

Southport

"Easily done if there is a will

1: Give all NHS medically qualified staff 12 moths notice re no strike contract. Then its take it or leave and I bet you many will shout bout it but no more than the usual number will leave.

2: Two choices who decides NHS staffs pay. First option, an indepenedent bod to determine pay rise.

Or. One body determines ALL government employed staff pay, EG, NHS, Fire Brigade, Police and MP's etc.

Simple soultions but our politicians do not have the brain cell to recognise this"

Pay them properly.

No reason why mps pay rises are above inflation everything and others must fight to be paid fairly.

An mp must be the only job to get over 86k a year with no qualifications or training needed for that job.

And expenses on top of that with subsidised food and drinks.

Unbelievable that anyone could think it is justified.

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

"Make all politicians and those that aspire to be use the NHS only for themselves and their families.

Make them all read 'This is Going To Hurt' by Adam Kay...three times.

Then send them in to negotiate

Then put them on a policing shift on a Friday night followed by sleeping in substandard military accommodation.

And somehow convince them that our front line workers are just as human as they are and deserve dignity and safety just as much as they do

Followed by a long stint living on benefits or minimum wage alone in social housing or rented accommodation where your landlord wants to sell because air BnB is more lucrative.

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By *londebiguyMan over a year ago

Southport

Its no good throwing money at the NHS, the NHS needs an overhaoul that makes it more effiencet.

I've been saying this for years. An awful lot of mismanagement & waste is what's crippling our NHS, not front line workers demanding a pay rise.

Exactly that and procurement is a massive problem/waste of time when buying in services/goods/etc

It seems to be the same in all public sectors. I'm a civil servant & the wastage I see due to bureaocracy and red tape infuriates me.

It's not that I want to see the NHS privatised, but it does need to be run better. Maybe lose some of the myriad levels of management & employ more nurses?

I love seeing myriad used correctly.

Great.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Make all politicians and those that aspire to be use the NHS only for themselves and their families.

Make them all read 'This is Going To Hurt' by Adam Kay...three times.

Then send them in to negotiate

Then put them on a policing shift on a Friday night followed by sleeping in substandard military accommodation.

And somehow convince them that our front line workers are just as human as they are and deserve dignity and safety just as much as they do

Followed by a long stint living on benefits or minimum wage alone in social housing or rented accommodation where your landlord wants to sell because air BnB is more lucrative. "

With a ban on their mates bringing in champagne/caviar/enough food to eat/ a tellybox.

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

"Make all politicians and those that aspire to be use the NHS only for themselves and their families.

Make them all read 'This is Going To Hurt' by Adam Kay...three times.

Then send them in to negotiate

Then put them on a policing shift on a Friday night followed by sleeping in substandard military accommodation.

And somehow convince them that our front line workers are just as human as they are and deserve dignity and safety just as much as they do

Followed by a long stint living on benefits or minimum wage alone in social housing or rented accommodation where your landlord wants to sell because air BnB is more lucrative.

With a ban on their mates bringing in champagne/caviar/enough food to eat/ a tellybox."

Yep. Genuinely live life as it is for many of the people they claim to represent.

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By *illan-KillashMan over a year ago

London/Sussex/Surrey/Berks/Hants

"Make all politicians and those that aspire to be use the NHS only for themselves and their families.

Make them all read 'This is Going To Hurt' by Adam Kay...three times.

Then send them in to negotiate

Then put them on a policing shift on a Friday night followed by sleeping in substandard military accommodation.

And somehow convince them that our front line workers are just as human as they are and deserve dignity and safety just as much as they do

Followed by a long stint living on benefits or minimum wage alone in social housing or rented accommodation where your landlord wants to sell because air BnB is more lucrative. "

Off topic, I don't understand why benefits and minimum wage aren't the same value.

Single person with no dependants can live on under £400 a month benefits. Apparently. Fuck knows how.

But the minimum wage needed to live on is around £1,600 a month.

Back to topic, pay NHS staff a decent wage. The end.

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

O o O oo

How dare people wanting a wage that hasn't gone backwards in real terms so that they can pay their bills and even eat, get back to work you lazy sods.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Easily done if there is a will

1: Give all NHS medically qualified staff 12 moths notice re no strike contract. Then its take it or leave and I bet you many will shout bout it but no more than the usual number will leave.

2: Two choices who decides NHS staffs pay. First option, an indepenedent bod to determine pay rise.

Or. One body determines ALL government employed staff pay, EG, NHS, Fire Brigade, Police and MP's etc.

Simple soultions but our politicians do not have the brain cell to recognise this"

So who appoints people to this "independent" body?

I don't see it being as "independent" as you propose...

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"How dare people wanting a wage that hasn't gone backwards in real terms so that they can pay their bills and even eat, get back to work you lazy sods."

I saw a doctor (no longer working in the UK, funny that) who calculated his starting NHS pay (at cost of living) as compared to starting NHS pay whenever he was posting (22/23, can't remember). He claimed that it was an over 50% drop, plus he got free housing.

Do we really value doctors over 50% less than we did in the early 1990s?

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By *empest2KMan over a year ago

Derby

"... Give all NHS medically qualified staff 12 moths notice ..."

I'm not sure the qualified frontline NHS staff get paid enough, let alone giving them 12 moths

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

"Make all politicians and those that aspire to be use the NHS only for themselves and their families.

Make them all read 'This is Going To Hurt' by Adam Kay...three times.

Then send them in to negotiate

Then put them on a policing shift on a Friday night followed by sleeping in substandard military accommodation.

And somehow convince them that our front line workers are just as human as they are and deserve dignity and safety just as much as they do

Followed by a long stint living on benefits or minimum wage alone in social housing or rented accommodation where your landlord wants to sell because air BnB is more lucrative.

Off topic, I don't understand why benefits and minimum wage aren't the same value.

Single person with no dependants can live on under £400 a month benefits. Apparently. Fuck knows how.

If you talk to some people it's just a case if managing your money better

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By *tephanjMan over a year ago

Kettering

An independent body did a review on nurses pay and it recommended more than our stupid government awarded. I just spent 2hrs in A&E with my partner they dealt with her quickly and they were all very good at what they did. I say give them what they want

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Make all politicians and those that aspire to be use the NHS only for themselves and their families.

Make them all read 'This is Going To Hurt' by Adam Kay...three times.

Then send them in to negotiate

Then put them on a policing shift on a Friday night followed by sleeping in substandard military accommodation.

And somehow convince them that our front line workers are just as human as they are and deserve dignity and safety just as much as they do

Followed by a long stint living on benefits or minimum wage alone in social housing or rented accommodation where your landlord wants to sell because air BnB is more lucrative.

Off topic, I don't understand why benefits and minimum wage aren't the same value.

Single person with no dependants can live on under £400 a month benefits. Apparently. Fuck knows how.

If you talk to some people it's just a case if managing your money better

Cheese sandwiches are luxuries now, and people should shut up and be grateful.

Please sir, I want some more!

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By *nightsoftheCoffeeTableCouple over a year ago

Leeds

The thing that makes me laugh the most about the nhs, is all those years of training and not one of them know an arse from an elbow.

Just burn it, fucking useless anyway.

The mr

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By *illan-KillashMan over a year ago

London/Sussex/Surrey/Berks/Hants

"Make all politicians and those that aspire to be use the NHS only for themselves and their families.

Make them all read 'This is Going To Hurt' by Adam Kay...three times.

Then send them in to negotiate

Then put them on a policing shift on a Friday night followed by sleeping in substandard military accommodation.

And somehow convince them that our front line workers are just as human as they are and deserve dignity and safety just as much as they do

Followed by a long stint living on benefits or minimum wage alone in social housing or rented accommodation where your landlord wants to sell because air BnB is more lucrative.

Off topic, I don't understand why benefits and minimum wage aren't the same value.

Single person with no dependants can live on under £400 a month benefits. Apparently. Fuck knows how.

If you talk to some people it's just a case if managing your money better

I've not purchased an almond chocaloccamocha frappe with skinny milk and sprinkles for a month. I'm off to buy a house this afternoon.

Twats.

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By *randMrsLP OP Couple over a year ago

london

Its no good throwing money at the NHS, the NHS needs an overhaoul that makes it more effiencet.

I've been saying this for years. An awful lot of mismanagement & waste is what's crippling our NHS, not front line workers demanding a pay rise.

Exactly that and procurement is a massive problem/waste of time when buying in services/goods/etc

It seems to be the same in all public sectors. I'm a civil servant & the wastage I see due to bureaocracy and red tape infuriates me.

It's not that I want to see the NHS privatised, but it does need to be run better. Maybe lose some of the myriad levels of management & employ more nurses?

You make very good points.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Make all politicians and those that aspire to be use the NHS only for themselves and their families.

Make them all read 'This is Going To Hurt' by Adam Kay...three times.

Then send them in to negotiate

Then put them on a policing shift on a Friday night followed by sleeping in substandard military accommodation.

And somehow convince them that our front line workers are just as human as they are and deserve dignity and safety just as much as they do

Followed by a long stint living on benefits or minimum wage alone in social housing or rented accommodation where your landlord wants to sell because air BnB is more lucrative.

Off topic, I don't understand why benefits and minimum wage aren't the same value.

Single person with no dependants can live on under £400 a month benefits. Apparently. Fuck knows how.

If you talk to some people it's just a case if managing your money better

I've not purchased an almond chocaloccamocha frappe with skinny milk and sprinkles for a month. I'm off to buy a house this afternoon.

Twats."

In Australia people under 40 are told that the reason they can't buy a house is because they go out for brunch too often. In response, someone set up an "avocado chart", how many to buy a house.

Let's be real, it's more than anyone could eat in a dozen lifetimes. It's not that people under 40 are stupid and irresponsible. In my first twelve years of life, the place I lived went up in value nearly 19 times. Astonishingly, wages did not - and it got worse from there. (Australia has a much worse housing problem than most countries, but it's the same fucking argument)

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Please watch Yes Minister - How to Run a Hospital.

It's on YouTube.

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By *heGateKeeperMan over a year ago

Stratford

• A plan for managing (ie removing) student loans with terms and conditions that they are only repayable if you leave the NHS within 5/7/10 years of qualification.

• a better method of workforce planning and non uni based qualifications for nursing and midwifery staff.

• a commitment to look at the criteria for pay awards and a phased restoration of pay conditions over the next 5-10 years.

• more/better training placements for JR doctors

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By *ife NinjaMan over a year ago

Dunfermline

Didn't Nazism start with banning the right to protest?

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Didn't Nazism start with banning the right to protest?

right to protest and right to strike are different things, but I've got bad news about right to protest in the UK...

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By *ags73Man over a year ago

glasgow-ish

"Didn't Nazism start with banning the right to protest?

Yep. Thank goodness we have a different NHS given that first post

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By *ife NinjaMan over a year ago

Dunfermline

"Didn't Nazism start with banning the right to protest?

right to protest and right to strike are different things, but I've got bad news about right to protest in the UK..."

I am aware of that. All these rights have been fought for by trade unions. Holidays, sick pay, maternity pay etc. All born by protest and activation.

The right would dearly love to take all that away, so they can make more money, whilst the workers squabble about it.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Didn't Nazism start with banning the right to protest?

right to protest and right to strike are different things, but I've got bad news about right to protest in the UK...

I am aware of that. All these rights have been fought for by trade unions. Holidays, sick pay, maternity pay etc. All born by protest and activation.

The right would dearly love to take all that away, so they can make more money, whilst the workers squabble about it.

Right to strike has been restricted, and right to protest severely restricted, over the last few years. We're not in a good place.

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By *ife NinjaMan over a year ago

Dunfermline

"Didn't Nazism start with banning the right to protest?

right to protest and right to strike are different things, but I've got bad news about right to protest in the UK...

I am aware of that. All these rights have been fought for by trade unions. Holidays, sick pay, maternity pay etc. All born by protest and activation.

The right would dearly love to take all that away, so they can make more money, whilst the workers squabble about it.

Right to strike has been restricted, and right to protest severely restricted, over the last few years. We're not in a good place."

We're not. Client journalism isn't helping either

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By *rozac_fairyCouple over a year ago

Birmingham

Its no good throwing money at the NHS, the NHS needs an overhaoul that makes it more effiencet.

I've been saying this for years. An awful lot of mismanagement & waste is what's crippling our NHS, not front line workers demanding a pay rise.

It's easier to blame the nurses who dare to want housing and enough to eat for their work, rather than the structures and those who put them there.

At least this shower of shit will be out by the end of the year. I just hope the other lot have better ideas."

I'd love to think they'd be out. I truly don't believe they will be though. Far too many still support them and refuse to accept Blair isn't to blame for everything over the last 13 years even though they aren't getting what they want either.

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By *odgerMooreMan over a year ago

Nowhere

Remind me… can we still put 10 year olds up a chimney… asking for a friend with a chimney…. And a job offer!!

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Its no good throwing money at the NHS, the NHS needs an overhaoul that makes it more effiencet.

I've been saying this for years. An awful lot of mismanagement & waste is what's crippling our NHS, not front line workers demanding a pay rise.

It's easier to blame the nurses who dare to want housing and enough to eat for their work, rather than the structures and those who put them there.

At least this shower of shit will be out by the end of the year. I just hope the other lot have better ideas.

I mean honestly I'm just trying to make things better without trying to rely on government anything, because I trust any of them as much as I can throw Westminster, but there are at least hopeful signs that things might be less bad after the next election.

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By *ountessmarchCouple over a year ago

Beverley

Just to throw some perspective in here. One of us trained to critical care/ resus standards of nursing, and with 6 months retraining has started on £4k more than literal life or death situations behind a desk.

There isn't incentive to stay when it is a blame culture internally and you are not given support internally, even before the pandemic. Burn out happens, job satisfaction is at an all time low within healthcare and retention is getting even worse because core changes aren't being made.

Just our tuppence

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

It's the MPs I feel for, poor buggers have only seen their pay increase by just over 37% since 2010..

And you don't see them moaning about food banks and the like..

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"It's the MPs I feel for, poor buggers have only seen their pay increase by just over 37% since 2010..

And you don't see them moaning about food banks and the like..

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By *rozac_fairyCouple over a year ago

Birmingham

Its no good throwing money at the NHS, the NHS needs an overhaoul that makes it more effiencet.

I've been saying this for years. An awful lot of mismanagement & waste is what's crippling our NHS, not front line workers demanding a pay rise.

It's easier to blame the nurses who dare to want housing and enough to eat for their work, rather than the structures and those who put them there.

At least this shower of shit will be out by the end of the year. I just hope the other lot have better ideas.

We're doing the same.

I've got an unmonitored & unmedicated heart condition that I'm learning to manage myself because the waiting lists are... Well, alot. Social media has been a godsend though for finding self help and support groups.

We've also leaned far more into the US way of looking after our health. Just learn ways to do it all yourself and hope for the best. I'll either be fine or have a heart attack, no biggie

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By *issmorganWoman over a year ago

Calderdale innit

The nhs is being purposefully underfunded, so it fails.I work in healthcare and most of it relies on the goodwill of staff to work over, not take breaks and work in conditions that aren't safe.

Funny the gov can find money for all the things they deem important, but not for those who've studied for years and save people's lives and work long unsocial hours.

Yes they know when they choose the job before anyone says that, but that doesn't make it right.

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By *orksRockerMan over a year ago

Bradford

Jonathan Pie says it best for all those with short memories..

https://youtu.be/Gljtvwhcdhc?si=2sVY2vrrDYQhxvGy

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"The nhs is being purposefully underfunded, so it fails.I work in healthcare and most of it relies on the goodwill of staff to work over, not take breaks and work in conditions that aren't safe.

Funny the gov can find money for all the things they deem important, but not for those who've studied for years and save people's lives and work long unsocial hours.

Yes they know when they choose the job before anyone says that, but that doesn't make it right. "

Even years ago, my ex was part of a work to rule strike. Take away the good will of the staff and just have them work the hours they've agreed to, and everything goes to shit. This was before the pandemic.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

There will never be enough money for the NHS and its staff. We literally shut the country down and spent £500 billion to “save our NHS” and their response is to demand more cash.

I know plenty of doctors and it’s a sorry tale of holiday homes, Teslas, kids in private school and desperately trying not to overfund their pension schemes.

But sadly there are still lots of much poorer people in this country who have totally swallowed the “Our NHS” propaganda and think that the NHS is about anything other than the staff who work for it.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"There will never be enough money for the NHS and its staff. We literally shut the country down and spent £500 billion to “save our NHS” and their response is to demand more cash.

I know plenty of doctors and it’s a sorry tale of holiday homes, Teslas, kids in private school and desperately trying not to overfund their pension schemes.

So the pandemic was just about maintaining the NHS, not all the people who died or became disabled? None of that money went to furlough?

Righto. It must be fun on your planet.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"There will never be enough money for the NHS and its staff. We literally shut the country down and spent £500 billion to “save our NHS” and their response is to demand more cash.

I know plenty of doctors and it’s a sorry tale of holiday homes, Teslas, kids in private school and desperately trying not to overfund their pension schemes.

So the pandemic was just about maintaining the NHS, not all the people who died or became disabled? None of that money went to furlough?

Righto. It must be fun on your planet."

I’m guessing you are firmly within my final paragraph. Thanks for confirming.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"There will never be enough money for the NHS and its staff. We literally shut the country down and spent £500 billion to “save our NHS” and their response is to demand more cash.

I know plenty of doctors and it’s a sorry tale of holiday homes, Teslas, kids in private school and desperately trying not to overfund their pension schemes.

So the pandemic was just about maintaining the NHS, not all the people who died or became disabled? None of that money went to furlough?

Righto. It must be fun on your planet.

I’m guessing you are firmly within my final paragraph. Thanks for confirming."

So why did the world spend trillions on stuff like that, if it was just about the NHS? I hate to break it to you, but New Zealand and Canada and Mexico and whatnot aren't in it for the British NHS. The UK isn't that fucking important

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"There will never be enough money for the NHS and its staff. We literally shut the country down and spent £500 billion to “save our NHS” and their response is to demand more cash.

I know plenty of doctors and it’s a sorry tale of holiday homes, Teslas, kids in private school and desperately trying not to overfund their pension schemes.

So the pandemic was just about maintaining the NHS, not all the people who died or became disabled? None of that money went to furlough?

Righto. It must be fun on your planet.

I’m guessing you are firmly within my final paragraph. Thanks for confirming.

You seem very angry. Considering you are on the Fun Planet.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"There will never be enough money for the NHS and its staff. We literally shut the country down and spent £500 billion to “save our NHS” and their response is to demand more cash.

I know plenty of doctors and it’s a sorry tale of holiday homes, Teslas, kids in private school and desperately trying not to overfund their pension schemes.

So the pandemic was just about maintaining the NHS, not all the people who died or became disabled? None of that money went to furlough?

Righto. It must be fun on your planet.

I’m guessing you are firmly within my final paragraph. Thanks for confirming.

You seem very angry. Considering you are on the Fun Planet."

Tone is rather difficult to read in text.

I'm laughing because the notion is beyond absurd if you allow a small child to look at it for a second or two, and here you are, a fully grown adult, proclaiming it.

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By *astandFeistyCouple over a year ago

Bournemouth

As much as I detest strikes, the issues within the NHS are nothing to do with nurses or doctors striking.

The issues within the NHS. It needs a complete overhaul from the top down.

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By *idnight RamblerMan over a year ago

Pershore

Privatise the NHS, but stick to the principle of 'free at the point of use'. It's inevitable anyway, so we might as well crack on - the NHS is untenable in it's present form. Privately run healthcare works perfectly well in other countries. Apart from which, who does the really clever stuff anyway? the new drugs, treatments and hi-tech equipment? Private industry does.

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By *inaTitzTV/TS over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

"Yikes

You still do forum insurance?

I'd be setting up a stall nearby "

FORUM INSURANCE is still a thing, but it doesn't cover this

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS over a year ago

Stockport

"As much as I detest strikes, the issues within the NHS are nothing to do with nurses or doctors striking.

The issues within the NHS. It needs a complete overhaul from the top down.

Top down. Yes, start with the prime minister and the health secretary. Sack those overpaid self important lazy fuckers and then carry on downwards.

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By *astandFeistyCouple over a year ago

Bournemouth

"As much as I detest strikes, the issues within the NHS are nothing to do with nurses or doctors striking.

The issues within the NHS. It needs a complete overhaul from the top down.

Top down. Yes, start with the prime minister and the health secretary. Sack those overpaid self important lazy fuckers and then carry on downwards."

They'll be gone soon but who or what do you replace them with?

Do you advocate no ministers?

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By *0shadesOfFilthMan over a year ago

nearby

Cancel their student loan debts

Reinstate nurses training bursaries

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By *0shadesOfFilthMan over a year ago

nearby

"As much as I detest strikes, the issues within the NHS are nothing to do with nurses or doctors striking.

The issues within the NHS. It needs a complete overhaul from the top down.

Starting with the patients

26% obese

37% overweight

6 million smokers

3 million drug takers

Then tackle our food supply.

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By *irldnCouple over a year ago

Brighton

Some of the bollocks spouted on this thread is proof of “kids don’t do drugs!”

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"As much as I detest strikes, the issues within the NHS are nothing to do with nurses or doctors striking.

The issues within the NHS. It needs a complete overhaul from the top down.

Starting with the patients

26% obese

37% overweight

6 million smokers

3 million drug takers

Then tackle our food supply. "

Probably be much easier to reform the population than “Our NHS”.

Make them “eat ze bugs”!

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By *estivalMan over a year ago

borehamwood

"Do the war in Ukraine next. Solve that "
that a piss easy one, stop funding it and it will be finished in a couple of months because lets face it we are just putting off the inevitable

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By *melie LALWoman over a year ago

Peterborough

"Easily done if there is a will

1: Give all NHS medically qualified staff 12 moths notice re no strike contract. Then its take it or leave and I bet you many will shout bout it but no more than the usual number will leave.

2: Two choices who decides NHS staffs pay. First option, an indepenedent bod to determine pay rise.

Or. One body determines ALL government employed staff pay, EG, NHS, Fire Brigade, Police and MP's etc.

Simple soultions but our politicians do not have the brain cell to recognise this

I think the NHS nurses deserve what they've been asking for ! The government can afford it don't believe their lies !"

The nurses aren't on strike. They accepted less than the doctors and teachers.

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By *melie LALWoman over a year ago

Peterborough

"I should have said, been more clear. About the one body for aLL government employed people - Everyone gets the same pay ris including the MP's.

A few years back I did a couple of year stint with a London coucil - we did not get a pay rise as it was frozen for 3 years I think - people banged on about they'd leave, but they did not

Its no good throwing money at the NHS, the NHS needs an overhaoul that makes it more effiencet."

NHS staff are also taxpayers.

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By *melie LALWoman over a year ago

Peterborough

"But without the strike days how will the staff make it to the food banks during opening hours?"

Striking is about withdrawing labour rather than being on picket lines.

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By *melie LALWoman over a year ago

Peterborough

"I should have said, been more clear. About the one body for aLL government employed people - Everyone gets the same pay ris including the MP's.

A few years back I did a couple of year stint with a London coucil - we did not get a pay rise as it was frozen for 3 years I think - people banged on about they'd leave, but they did not

Its no good throwing money at the NHS, the NHS needs an overhaoul that makes it more effiencet.

I'm not 100% certain about how strikes are organised these days.

I know a few years ago nurses only went on strike on days they weren't rostered to work.

So strikes cost nothing and didn't impact on waiting times/lists.

Maybe it's different now.

Last year nurses striked for the first time in over 100 years.

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By *oversfunCouple over a year ago

city centre

Was the nhs as bad in say 2010,or has the tories intenionaly brought it to its knees

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By *melie LALWoman over a year ago

Peterborough

"Cancel their student loan debts

Reinstate nurses training bursaries"

You're a bit out of date on that issue.

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By *melie LALWoman over a year ago

Peterborough

"Was the nhs as bad in say 2010,or has the tories intenionaly brought it to its knees

It has definitely deteriorated.

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By *oversfunCouple over a year ago

city centre

"Was the nhs as bad in say 2010,or has the tories intenionaly brought it to its knees

It has definitely deteriorated."
yes it def has,def not enough nurses,though they do a great job as i found out as was in hospital for few months last yr,i really hope labour can sort it out when they get in

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Easily done if there is a will

1: Give all NHS medically qualified staff 12 moths notice re no strike contract. Then its take it or leave and I bet you many will shout bout it but no more than the usual number will leave.

2: Two choices who decides NHS staffs pay. First option, an indepenedent bod to determine pay rise.

Or. One body determines ALL government employed staff pay, EG, NHS, Fire Brigade, Police and MP's etc.

Simple soultions but our politicians do not have the brain cell to recognise this"

and it would seem you so.. lol oh how I laughed and laughed at your post. It would seem the circus have lost their Clowns..lol

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By *anJenny 181Couple over a year ago

Preston

No one owns workers & they sell their skills labour and hard work for a financial benefit in the form of wages.

So in the same breath they can withdraw that Labour if the benefits become worthless. (Inflation / Cost of living etc)

Our NHS are expected now to go into debt at uni, pay clinical registration yearly, pay to park at work, risk violence, risk COVID and other deisease, risk malpractice, see things most of us never will want to see, pain misery and death.

The right to withdraw your labour is something we should all be fighting for in my opinion.

No Government owns me

No employer owns me

My Labour is for sale but only at the right price.

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By *r-8-BBCMan over a year ago

LONDON

"No one owns workers & they sell their skills labour and hard work for a financial benefit in the form of wages.

So in the same breath they can withdraw that Labour if the benefits become worthless. (Inflation / Cost of living etc)

The right to withdraw your labour is something we should all be fighting for in my opinion.

No Government owns me

No employer owns me

My Labour is for sale but only at the right price.

"
Hear, hear!

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By *coptoCouple over a year ago

Côte d'Azur & Great Yarmouth

"No one owns workers... "

Can't really argue with all those sentiments...

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By *uddy laneMan over a year ago

dudley

"Easily done if there is a will

1: Give all NHS medically qualified staff 12 moths notice re no strike contract. Then its take it or leave and I bet you many will shout bout it but no more than the usual number will leave.

2: Two choices who decides NHS staffs pay. First option, an indepenedent bod to determine pay rise.

Or. One body determines ALL government employed staff pay, EG, NHS, Fire Brigade, Police and MP's etc.

Simple soultions but our politicians do not have the brain cell to recognise this"

big teeth snarling dogs and nail encrusted sticks.

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By *irldnCouple over a year ago

Brighton

"Easily done if there is a will

1: Give all NHS medically qualified staff 12 moths notice re no strike contract. Then its take it or leave and I bet you many will shout bout it but no more than the usual number will leave.

2: Two choices who decides NHS staffs pay. First option, an indepenedent bod to determine pay rise.

Or. One body determines ALL government employed staff pay, EG, NHS, Fire Brigade, Police and MP's etc.

Simple soultions but our politicians do not have the brain cell to recognise this

big teeth snarling dogs and nail encrusted sticks.

Is that why the Govt want to round up all the XL Bullies?

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By *melie LALWoman over a year ago

Peterborough

Just to add that the NHS has a pay review body but since since it's "sponsored" by the DHSC it can never be independent. But the govt call it so

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Just to add that the NHS has a pay review body but since since it's "sponsored" by the DHSC it can never be independent. But the govt call it so

Given that public sector productivity has fallen by 6 to 7% since March 2020, public sector workers have already had that as a pay rise. They are doing less work for the same money.

Any future pay rises should be linked to productivity improvements.

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By *melie LALWoman over a year ago

Peterborough

"Just to add that the NHS has a pay review body but since since it's "sponsored" by the DHSC it can never be independent. But the govt call it so

Given that public sector productivity has fallen by 6 to 7% since March 2020, public sector workers have already had that as a pay rise. They are doing less work for the same money.

Any future pay rises should be linked to productivity improvements."

Oh puhlease!

Live in the real world!

I do at least an hour's work every shift without pay (that's a shift without complex patients).

I have endured X number of years without a pay rise or capped at 1%. If the govt was to give us the pay award to match the pay in 2010 AND to match the cost of living crises, we'd have received nearly 30%.

How is public sector productivity measured, btw, as I can not physically see more patients unless the paymasters clone me!

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By *uddy laneMan over a year ago

dudley

"Just to add that the NHS has a pay review body but since since it's "sponsored" by the DHSC it can never be independent. But the govt call it so

Given that public sector productivity has fallen by 6 to 7% since March 2020, public sector workers have already had that as a pay rise. They are doing less work for the same money.

Any future pay rises should be linked to productivity improvements.

Oh puhlease!

Live in the real world!

I do at least an hour's work every shift without pay (that's a shift without complex patients).

How is public sector productivity measured, btw, as I can not physically see more patients unless the paymasters clone me!"

It is measured by the low wages they pay people with work visas coming into the public sector year after year.

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By *0shadesOfFilthMan over a year ago

nearby

"No one owns workers & they sell their skills labour and hard work for a financial benefit in the form of wages.

So in the same breath they can withdraw that Labour if the benefits become worthless. (Inflation / Cost of living etc)

The right to withdraw your labour is something we should all be fighting for in my opinion.

No Government owns me

No employer owns me

My Labour is for sale but only at the right price.

Point taken but does not hold water for emergency services.

Every fire officer in London was called out for Grenfell, how many more lives would have been lost if the firemen demanded extra pay. And the extra nurses without adequate PPE during covid, who would have cared for societies people at risk of death if they all withheld their labour.

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By *anJenny 181Couple over a year ago

Preston

"No one owns workers & they sell their skills labour and hard work for a financial benefit in the form of wages.

So in the same breath they can withdraw that Labour if the benefits become worthless. (Inflation / Cost of living etc)

The right to withdraw your labour is something we should all be fighting for in my opinion.

No Government owns me

No employer owns me

My Labour is for sale but only at the right price.

Point taken but does not hold water for emergency services.

Not sure what fire fighters have to do with the NHS ? Also fire went out on strike from memory and quickly got a better pay deal.

You could have paid the NHS with the money spent on dodgy PPE that was not fit for purpose

It does not matter what job you do it is just that a job - no one owns you

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

1. Cut the management positions introduced by Thatcher

2. Cut the horrible waste of money through stupid contracts

3. MP wage rises cancelled/ reversed

4. Stop the boats

5. leave the UNHCR

6. Process the economic migrants and chuck em out the country

7. Stop starting wars and use the money in NHS

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

8. Arrest the fraudsters of ppe contracts.. sue them, seize assets

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By *otMe66Man over a year ago

Terra Firma

Big investment in private health care, should do it, allowing individuals to invest in their own medical support with the money they earn and stop forcing the public to pay for a service that should have been retired years ago.

Medical staff will then need to compete, which in turn should push up standards of care and the service.

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By *melie LALWoman over a year ago

Peterborough

"Big investment in private health care, should do it, allowing individuals to invest in their own medical support with the money they earn and stop forcing the public to pay for a service that should have been retired years ago.

Medical staff will then need to compete, which in turn should push up standards of care and the service."

Compete? Have you seen the vacancies across the board?

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By *otMe66Man over a year ago

Terra Firma

Medical staff will then need to compete, which in turn should push up standards of care and the service.

Compete? Have you seen the vacancies across the board?"

If medical staff wanted the higher paid jobs at private healthcare facilities they would certainly need to compete.

I guess right now medical staff can hide in the shadows of the NHS, take that away and it becomes a different landscape.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Society really should hold more respect for people with medical doctorate degrees and pay more attention to them than journalists and politicians. Same goes for engineers to be honest.

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By *otMe66Man over a year ago

Terra Firma

"Society really should hold more respect for people with medical doctorate degrees and pay more attention to them than journalists and politicians. Same goes for engineers to be honest."

Respect is earnt, correct? Right now many of those who we should be respecting are letting people die for a realistic 35% pay rise….

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By *idnight RamblerMan over a year ago

Pershore

"Society really should hold more respect for people with medical doctorate degrees and pay more attention to them than journalists and politicians. Same goes for engineers to be honest."

Concur completely

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By *idnight RamblerMan over a year ago

Pershore

Medical staff will then need to compete, which in turn should push up standards of care and the service.

Compete? Have you seen the vacancies across the board?"

There wouldn't be any vacancies because a privately run healthcare system would 1) be more efficient 2) tackle the appalling absenteeism 3) stamp out consultant moonlighting 4) discourage part-time GP contracts. In other words, run it as a business.

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By *amantMan over a year ago

Alnmouth

Medical staff will then need to compete, which in turn should push up standards of care and the service.

Compete? Have you seen the vacancies across the board?

Ah yes, privatisation. It has worked so well with everything else. Postal service, trains, energy companies, the water companies. They're all great now aren't they? All that excellent competition did wonders with everything else, what could possibly go wrong?

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By *melie LALWoman over a year ago

Peterborough

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By *melie LALWoman over a year ago

Peterborough

Medical staff will then need to compete, which in turn should push up standards of care and the service.

Compete? Have you seen the vacancies across the board?

As successful as the hinchingbrooke hospital pilot, huh? Oh wait, it was returned to NHS before the contract was up due to losses.

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By *melie LALWoman over a year ago

Peterborough

Medical staff will then need to compete, which in turn should push up standards of care and the service.

Compete? Have you seen the vacancies across the board?

No vacancies eh? How are you going the magic 40,000+ nursing posts as no longer required?

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By *melie LALWoman over a year ago

Peterborough

Medical staff will then need to compete, which in turn should push up standards of care and the service.

Compete? Have you seen the vacancies across the board?

It did go wrong.

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By *otMe66Man over a year ago

Terra Firma

Medical staff will then need to compete, which in turn should push up standards of care and the service.

Compete? Have you seen the vacancies across the board?

No vacancies eh? How are you going the magic 40,000+ nursing posts as no longer required?"

Not needed, when we get to a point of well run healthcare

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Medical staff will then need to compete, which in turn should push up standards of care and the service.

Compete? Have you seen the vacancies across the board?

It did go wrong."

The fatal flaw is; the NHS was founded by socialists.. to look after the welfare of citizens of this country.

Fast forward to the Tory core ideology of greedy selfish pie scoffing amoral fat cat "shit on thy neighbour" era (including the Blair era)... It's not surprising it's in a crisis, and deliberately so , so the fat cats can move in

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By *otMe66Man over a year ago

Terra Firma

Medical staff will then need to compete, which in turn should push up standards of care and the service.

Compete? Have you seen the vacancies across the board?

It did go wrong.

The fatal flaw is; the NHS was founded by socialists.. to look after the welfare of citizens of this country.

I disagree, you will be surprised to hear.

The NHS is outdated and desperately needs replacing with healthcare models that individuals can divert their taxes to cover. There should be some tax but a relatively small % to cover those who can’t afford private healthcare.

Throwing good money at a concept that was revolutionary in its inception but is well past its sell by date now, is foolish beyond belief.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The fekin Tory shitbag pie scoffing horrible greedy sneaky eyed sly manipulating scheming plotting partying chum slapping chuckling creepy lurking slimy smarmy underhand lying two faces duplicitous pocket lining treacherous cruel shits!

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By *melie LALWoman over a year ago

Peterborough

"The fekin Tory shitbag pie scoffing horrible greedy sneaky eyed sly manipulating scheming plotting partying chum slapping chuckling creepy lurking slimy smarmy underhand lying two faces duplicitous pocket lining treacherous cruel shits! "

In a word

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By *otMe66Man over a year ago

Terra Firma

I’m not sure this would be something that could be treated under the NHS, but go private and you will get room as to not disturb the others.

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By *melie LALWoman over a year ago

Peterborough

Medical staff will then need to compete, which in turn should push up standards of care and the service.

Compete? Have you seen the vacancies across the board?

No vacancies eh? How are you going the magic 40,000+ nursing posts as no longer required?

Not needed, when we get to a point of well run healthcare"

How's life in your fantasy world?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Medical staff will then need to compete, which in turn should push up standards of care and the service.

Compete? Have you seen the vacancies across the board?

It did go wrong.

The fatal flaw is; the NHS was founded by socialists.. to look after the welfare of citizens of this country.

I disagree, you will be surprised to hear.

Throwing good money at a concept that was revolutionary in its inception but is well past its sell by date now, is foolish beyond belief. "

Yeah it desperatly needs sorting. I worked for the NHS in a&e at Sunderland royal hospital in the 80s when Thatcher made some terrible changes. I would start there!

The structure she introduced does not enhance the NHS at all and didn't back then. Non medical staff just added to the burden.

Fancy arsed high paid jobs that no-one understood the benefits of to contributing to the NHS.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By *otMe66Man over a year ago

Terra Firma

Medical staff will then need to compete, which in turn should push up standards of care and the service.

Compete? Have you seen the vacancies across the board?

It did go wrong.

The fatal flaw is; the NHS was founded by socialists.. to look after the welfare of citizens of this country.

I disagree, you will be surprised to hear.

Throwing good money at a concept that was revolutionary in its inception but is well past its sell by date now, is foolish beyond belief.

Yeah it desperatly needs sorting. I worked for the NHS in a&e at Sunderland royal hospital in the 80s when Thatcher made some terrible changes. I would start there!

The structure she introduced does not enhance the NHS at all and didn't back then. Non medical staff just added to the burden.

Fancy arsed high paid jobs that no-one understood the benefits of to contributing to the NHS. "

Yes, the management of the NHS has been shocking and has simply devoured itself under its own weight.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I’m not sure this would be something that could be treated under the NHS, but go private and you will get room as to not disturb the others."

You go private. As long as you pay your taxes to fund the secret sly Tory privatisation project!

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By *otMe66Man over a year ago

Terra Firma

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By *otMe66Man over a year ago

Terra Firma

I’m not sure this would be something that could be treated under the NHS, but go private and you will get room as to not disturb the others.

You go private. As long as you pay your taxes to fund the secret sly Tory privatisation project!"

I want a tax break and go private

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Medical staff will then need to compete, which in turn should push up standards of care and the service.

Compete? Have you seen the vacancies across the board?

It did go wrong.

The fatal flaw is; the NHS was founded by socialists.. to look after the welfare of citizens of this country.

I disagree, you will be surprised to hear.

Throwing good money at a concept that was revolutionary in its inception but is well past its sell by date now, is foolish beyond belief.

Yeah it desperatly needs sorting. I worked for the NHS in a&e at Sunderland royal hospital in the 80s when Thatcher made some terrible changes. I would start there!

The structure she introduced does not enhance the NHS at all and didn't back then. Non medical staff just added to the burden.

Fancy arsed high paid jobs that no-one understood the benefits of to contributing to the NHS.

Yes, the management of the NHS has been shocking and has simply devoured itself under its own weight. "

I agree. We noticed a degradation in front line services after the extra management layers were introduced.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I’m not sure this would be something that could be treated under the NHS, but go private and you will get room as to not disturb the others.

You go private. As long as you pay your taxes to fund the secret sly Tory privatisation project!

I want a tax break and go private"

Well with this corrupt amoral government, you will

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By *otMe66Man over a year ago

Terra Firma

I’m not sure this would be something that could be treated under the NHS, but go private and you will get room as to not disturb the others.

You go private. As long as you pay your taxes to fund the secret sly Tory privatisation project!

I want a tax break and go private

Well with this corrupt amoral government, you will"

Still willing to contribute a small % to support those who can’t afford, win win?

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By *uddy laneMan over a year ago

dudley

A question how much would people be willing to pay per year for a 100% gold plated health cover you have to renew every year on time without delay.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I’m not sure this would be something that could be treated under the NHS, but go private and you will get room as to not disturb the others.

You go private. As long as you pay your taxes to fund the secret sly Tory privatisation project!

I want a tax break and go private

Well with this corrupt amoral government, you will

Still willing to contribute a small % to support those who can’t afford, win win?"

This where it all unravels.. the Tories promote greed and the "shit on thy neibour" attitude .. so how small a percentage will people in general contribute? 0% I bet!

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By *otMe66Man over a year ago

Terra Firma

"A question how much would people be willing to pay per year for a 100% gold plated health cover you have to renew every year on time without delay.

I would hope is more than Netflix and sky subscriptions, weekly take-aways and few pints to wash it down.

What do you think? Right ball park or not?

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By *otMe66Man over a year ago

Terra Firma

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By *otMe66Man over a year ago

Terra Firma

I’m not sure this would be something that could be treated under the NHS, but go private and you will get room as to not disturb the others.

You go private. As long as you pay your taxes to fund the secret sly Tory privatisation project!

I want a tax break and go private

Well with this corrupt amoral government, you will

Still willing to contribute a small % to support those who can’t afford, win win?

This where it all unravels.. the Tories promote greed and the "shit on thy neibour" attitude .. so how small a percentage will people in general contribute? 0% I bet!"

Lose NI and I would happily pay 7.5% to fund others, and not be able to use the service myself

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By *otMe66Man over a year ago

Terra Firma

"A question how much would people be willing to pay per year for a 100% gold plated health cover you have to renew every year on time without delay.

I would hope is more than Netflix and sky subscriptions, weekly take-aways and few pints to wash it down.

What do you think? Right ball park or not?

Well.. as long as you’re okay.. fuck the others! "

Do you disagree with that comparison for private health cover costs per month?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A question how much would people be willing to pay per year for a 100% gold plated health cover you have to renew every year on time without delay.

I would hope is more than Netflix and sky subscriptions, weekly take-aways and few pints to wash it down.

What do you think? Right ball park or not?

Well.. as long as you’re okay.. fuck the others!

Do you disagree with that comparison for private health cover costs per month? "

A full review of where this money is going needs investigation.. but those at the top (government) are too spineless weak and corrupt themselves to sort anything

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A question how much would people be willing to pay per year for a 100% gold plated health cover you have to renew every year on time without delay.

I would hope is more than Netflix and sky subscriptions, weekly take-aways and few pints to wash it down.

What do you think? Right ball park or not?

Well.. as long as you’re okay.. fuck the others!

Do you disagree with that comparison for private health cover costs per month? "

It's the degradation and abandonment of the NHS.. it needs fixing because it's there for everyone. Take a look at the state of affairs in the likes of the USA.

France seems to do okay but I haven't looked into it yet

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A question how much would people be willing to pay per year for a 100% gold plated health cover you have to renew every year on time without delay.

I would hope is more than Netflix and sky subscriptions, weekly take-aways and few pints to wash it down.

What do you think? Right ball park or not?

Well.. as long as you’re okay.. fuck the others!

Do you disagree with that comparison for private health cover costs per month? "

If you go down the route of a two tier health service it'll spell the end of the NHS.. my opinion though

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A question how much would people be willing to pay per year for a 100% gold plated health cover you have to renew every year on time without delay.

I would hope is more than Netflix and sky subscriptions, weekly take-aways and few pints to wash it down.

What do you think? Right ball park or not?

Well.. as long as you’re okay.. fuck the others!

Do you disagree with that comparison for private health cover costs per month? "

Plus you have the same problem where greedy influential fat cats see the moneypot and wangle their way into dipping into it

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By *anJenny 181Couple over a year ago

Preston

Private healthcare companies only select the profitable areas of healthcare.

Expensive operations and procedures will be limited or removed all together

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By *uddy laneMan over a year ago

dudley

"A question how much would people be willing to pay per year for a 100% gold plated health cover you have to renew every year on time without delay.

I would hope is more than Netflix and sky subscriptions, weekly take-aways and few pints to wash it down.

What do you think? Right ball park or not?

Well.. as long as you’re okay.. fuck the others!

Do you disagree with that comparison for private health cover costs per month? "

I guess a family package would be needed people have children 2.2 avarege inoculations high risk cut scrapes breaks, I reckon 10k a year.

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By *mateur100Man over a year ago

nr faversham

"Easily done if there is a will

1: Give all NHS medically qualified staff 12 moths notice re no strike contract. Then its take it or leave and I bet you many will shout bout it but no more than the usual number will leave.

2: Two choices who decides NHS staffs pay. First option, an indepenedent bod to determine pay rise.

Or. One body determines ALL government employed staff pay, EG, NHS, Fire Brigade, Police and MP's etc.

Simple soultions but our politicians do not have the brain cell to recognise this"

I don't disagree but the different sides will, despite originally agree to do so. I recall Theresa may going to ACAS for the police pay award and then refusing to accept the ACAS recommendation

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By *otMe66Man over a year ago

Terra Firma

"A question how much would people be willing to pay per year for a 100% gold plated health cover you have to renew every year on time without delay.

I would hope is more than Netflix and sky subscriptions, weekly take-aways and few pints to wash it down.

What do you think? Right ball park or not?

Well.. as long as you’re okay.. fuck the others!

Do you disagree with that comparison for private health cover costs per month?

It's the degradation and abandonment of the NHS.. it needs fixing because it's there for everyone. Take a look at the state of affairs in the likes of the USA.

France seems to do okay but I haven't looked into it yet"

I heard France has a good healthcare system, but I haven't looked into that either. I will take a look tomorrow

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By *idnight RamblerMan over a year ago

Pershore

Medical staff will then need to compete, which in turn should push up standards of care and the service.

Compete? Have you seen the vacancies across the board?

Forgot what government-run industries were like? Cars, Mines, Ports, Steel? All an unmitigated disasters that dragged the UK to third world status and the sick man of Europe.

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By *idnight RamblerMan over a year ago

Pershore

Medical staff will then need to compete, which in turn should push up standards of care and the service.

Compete? Have you seen the vacancies across the board?

No vacancies eh? How are you going the magic 40,000+ nursing posts as no longer required?"

Existing nurses, like all NHS staff, would work efficiently, and their absenteeism slashed under private management. So no need for 40,000 more and the associated cost. In fact the existing payroll could likely be cut by 25%.

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By *melie LALWoman over a year ago

Peterborough

Medical staff will then need to compete, which in turn should push up standards of care and the service.

Compete? Have you seen the vacancies across the board?

No vacancies eh? How are you going the magic 40,000+ nursing posts as no longer required?

Another fantasist. The 40,000+ nursing vacancies exist and yet in England there's no safe-staffing. There would be a greater number if there was. But you go along with your fantasy that with efficiency that number will disappear.

Absenteeism and mass exodus is due, not to mismanagement, but lack of staff and burn out.

By all means dream your way to resolving this continuous crisis of lack of nurses (20+ years).

Btw, reduce nursing numbers and you'll have to increase doctor numbers, so good luck with reducing the payroll.

Private run hospitals for NHS - hinchingbrooke hospital case in point of failure, no comment I see.

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By *r-8-BBCMan over a year ago

LONDON

Medical staff will then need to compete, which in turn should push up standards of care and the service.

Compete? Have you seen the vacancies across the board?

No vacancies eh? How are you going the magic 40,000+ nursing posts as no longer required?

Absenteeism and mass exodus is due, not to mismanagement, but lack of staff and burn out.

By all means dream your way to resolving this continuous crisis of lack of nurses (20+ years).

Btw, reduce nursing numbers and you'll have to increase doctor numbers, so good luck with reducing the payroll.

Private run hospitals for NHS - hinchingbrooke hospital case in point of failure, no comment I see."

Nothing good to say about that hospital

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By *otMe66Man over a year ago

Terra Firma

Medical staff will then need to compete, which in turn should push up standards of care and the service.

Compete? Have you seen the vacancies across the board?

No vacancies eh? How are you going the magic 40,000+ nursing posts as no longer required?

Absenteeism and mass exodus is due, not to mismanagement, but lack of staff and burn out.

By all means dream your way to resolving this continuous crisis of lack of nurses (20+ years).

Btw, reduce nursing numbers and you'll have to increase doctor numbers, so good luck with reducing the payroll.

Private run hospitals for NHS - hinchingbrooke hospital case in point of failure, no comment I see."

This reason you think like this is you are thinking like the NHS and the issues you see in the NHS.

A new healthcare as the primary and the NHS as a secondary, things drastically change.

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By *melie LALWoman over a year ago

Peterborough

Medical staff will then need to compete, which in turn should push up standards of care and the service.

Compete? Have you seen the vacancies across the board?

No vacancies eh? How are you going the magic 40,000+ nursing posts as no longer required?

Absenteeism and mass exodus is due, not to mismanagement, but lack of staff and burn out.

By all means dream your way to resolving this continuous crisis of lack of nurses (20+ years).

Btw, reduce nursing numbers and you'll have to increase doctor numbers, so good luck with reducing the payroll.

Private run hospitals for NHS - hinchingbrooke hospital case in point of failure, no comment I see.

Nothing good to say about that hospital "

As someone who experienced failure of duty of care there, neither do I.

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By *melie LALWoman over a year ago

Peterborough

Medical staff will then need to compete, which in turn should push up standards of care and the service.

Compete? Have you seen the vacancies across the board?

No vacancies eh? How are you going the magic 40,000+ nursing posts as no longer required?

Absenteeism and mass exodus is due, not to mismanagement, but lack of staff and burn out.

By all means dream your way to resolving this continuous crisis of lack of nurses (20+ years).

Btw, reduce nursing numbers and you'll have to increase doctor numbers, so good luck with reducing the payroll.

Private run hospitals for NHS - hinchingbrooke hospital case in point of failure, no comment I see.

This reason you think like this is you are thinking like the NHS and the issues you see in the NHS.

A new healthcare as the primary and the NHS as a secondary, things drastically change."

Lay out your solution then.

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By *idnight RamblerMan over a year ago

Pershore

Medical staff will then need to compete, which in turn should push up standards of care and the service.

Compete? Have you seen the vacancies across the board?

No vacancies eh? How are you going the magic 40,000+ nursing posts as no longer required?

Absenteeism and mass exodus is due, not to mismanagement, but lack of staff and burn out.

By all means dream your way to resolving this continuous crisis of lack of nurses (20+ years).

Btw, reduce nursing numbers and you'll have to increase doctor numbers, so good luck with reducing the payroll.

Private run hospitals for NHS - hinchingbrooke hospital case in point of failure, no comment I see."

It's no fantasy. I've accessed healthcare around the world as an ex-pat. Private healthcare works perfectly well everywhere else and is way more efficient than the NHS. A overseas hospital will typically do appointment, tests, scans and diagnosis on the same day. The NHS take up to year to do the same. To get back to the OP - that's why people are dying.

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By *melie LALWoman over a year ago

Peterborough

Medical staff will then need to compete, which in turn should push up standards of care and the service.

Compete? Have you seen the vacancies across the board?

No vacancies eh? How are you going the magic 40,000+ nursing posts as no longer required?

Absenteeism and mass exodus is due, not to mismanagement, but lack of staff and burn out.

By all means dream your way to resolving this continuous crisis of lack of nurses (20+ years).

Btw, reduce nursing numbers and you'll have to increase doctor numbers, so good luck with reducing the payroll.

Private run hospitals for NHS - hinchingbrooke hospital case in point of failure, no comment I see.

This reason you think like this is you are thinking like the NHS and the issues you see in the NHS.

A new healthcare as the primary and the NHS as a secondary, things drastically change.

Lay out your solution then."

In fact contact NHS innovation and tell them how you're going to solve the NHS crises.

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By *otMe66Man over a year ago

Terra Firma

Medical staff will then need to compete, which in turn should push up standards of care and the service.

Compete? Have you seen the vacancies across the board?

No vacancies eh? How are you going the magic 40,000+ nursing posts as no longer required?

Absenteeism and mass exodus is due, not to mismanagement, but lack of staff and burn out.

By all means dream your way to resolving this continuous crisis of lack of nurses (20+ years).

Btw, reduce nursing numbers and you'll have to increase doctor numbers, so good luck with reducing the payroll.

Private run hospitals for NHS - hinchingbrooke hospital case in point of failure, no comment I see.

This reason you think like this is you are thinking like the NHS and the issues you see in the NHS.

A new healthcare as the primary and the NHS as a secondary, things drastically change.

Lay out your solution then.

In fact contact NHS innovation and tell them how you're going to solve the NHS crises."

You are still putting the NHS front and centre...

The NHS wont have a say in how the private healthcare system develops and it will. The country can't allow itself to be left to suffer while an outdated and under performing NHS crumbles in the dust and still demanding more and more money.

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By *melie LALWoman over a year ago

Peterborough

Medical staff will then need to compete, which in turn should push up standards of care and the service.

Compete? Have you seen the vacancies across the board?

No vacancies eh? How are you going the magic 40,000+ nursing posts as no longer required?

Absenteeism and mass exodus is due, not to mismanagement, but lack of staff and burn out.

By all means dream your way to resolving this continuous crisis of lack of nurses (20+ years).

Btw, reduce nursing numbers and you'll have to increase doctor numbers, so good luck with reducing the payroll.

Private run hospitals for NHS - hinchingbrooke hospital case in point of failure, no comment I see.

There are different forms of healthcare worldwide. The WHO states how each country runs their healthcare. We used to have a good standard, even enviable. I imagine we're now pitied.

Yes things need changing. But those of you who think you have a solution, lobby for it.

First, most important change is change the government. Next, take the NHS away from being a government pawn and make it a QUANGO. Change is costly - don't change things that work. The govt is great on insisting on change because they think people will it's progression. A great deal is cyclic "oh we did it like that 5/10/15 years ago".

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By *melie LALWoman over a year ago

Peterborough

Medical staff will then need to compete, which in turn should push up standards of care and the service.

Compete? Have you seen the vacancies across the board?

No vacancies eh? How are you going the magic 40,000+ nursing posts as no longer required?

Absenteeism and mass exodus is due, not to mismanagement, but lack of staff and burn out.

By all means dream your way to resolving this continuous crisis of lack of nurses (20+ years).

Btw, reduce nursing numbers and you'll have to increase doctor numbers, so good luck with reducing the payroll.

Private run hospitals for NHS - hinchingbrooke hospital case in point of failure, no comment I see.

This reason you think like this is you are thinking like the NHS and the issues you see in the NHS.

A new healthcare as the primary and the NHS as a secondary, things drastically change.

Lay out your solution then.

In fact contact NHS innovation and tell them how you're going to solve the NHS crises.

You are still putting the NHS front and centre...

No solution then.

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By *otMe66Man over a year ago

Terra Firma

Medical staff will then need to compete, which in turn should push up standards of care and the service.

Compete? Have you seen the vacancies across the board?

No vacancies eh? How are you going the magic 40,000+ nursing posts as no longer required?

Absenteeism and mass exodus is due, not to mismanagement, but lack of staff and burn out.

By all means dream your way to resolving this continuous crisis of lack of nurses (20+ years).

Btw, reduce nursing numbers and you'll have to increase doctor numbers, so good luck with reducing the payroll.

Private run hospitals for NHS - hinchingbrooke hospital case in point of failure, no comment I see.

This reason you think like this is you are thinking like the NHS and the issues you see in the NHS.

A new healthcare as the primary and the NHS as a secondary, things drastically change.

Lay out your solution then.

In fact contact NHS innovation and tell them how you're going to solve the NHS crises.

You are still putting the NHS front and centre...

No solution then."

Yep, private healthcare and a tax break for those that take it up. As a starter for 10...

There will be a money still going in for those that can't afford the to pay, but the numbers of people using the NHS will dwindle over time allowing to bow out of the role it can't perform, looking after the health of the nation.

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By *uddy laneMan over a year ago

dudley

"A question how much would people be willing to pay per year for a 100% gold plated health cover you have to renew every year on time without delay.

I would hope is more than Netflix and sky subscriptions, weekly take-aways and few pints to wash it down.

What do you think? Right ball park or not?

Well.. as long as you’re okay.. fuck the others!

Do you disagree with that comparison for private health cover costs per month?

I guess a family package would be needed people have children 2.2 avarege inoculations high risk cut scrapes breaks, I reckon 10k a year. "

All quiet from the "i want the nhs privatised" when it comes to putting a price on the health insurance, the tax man will not sort out your health insurance or divert and funds.

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By *uddy laneMan over a year ago

dudley

"A question how much would people be willing to pay per year for a 100% gold plated health cover you have to renew every year on time without delay.

I would hope is more than Netflix and sky subscriptions, weekly take-aways and few pints to wash it down.

What do you think? Right ball park or not?

Well.. as long as you’re okay.. fuck the others!

Do you disagree with that comparison for private health cover costs per month?

I guess a family package would be needed people have children 2.2 avarege inoculations high risk cut scrapes breaks, I reckon 10k a year.

All quiet from the "i want the nhs privatised" when it comes to putting a price on the health insurance, the tax man will not sort out your health insurance or divert and funds. "

Any*

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By *idnight RamblerMan over a year ago

Pershore

"A question how much would people be willing to pay per year for a 100% gold plated health cover you have to renew every year on time without delay.

I would hope is more than Netflix and sky subscriptions, weekly take-aways and few pints to wash it down.

What do you think? Right ball park or not?

Well.. as long as you’re okay.. fuck the others!

Do you disagree with that comparison for private health cover costs per month?

I guess a family package would be needed people have children 2.2 avarege inoculations high risk cut scrapes breaks, I reckon 10k a year.

All quiet from the "i want the nhs privatised" when it comes to putting a price on the health insurance, the tax man will not sort out your health insurance or divert and funds. "

Of course, the cost model would need changing. There's a mindset that the NHS is a national treasure because it's free. It isn't ! It costs me, you and everybody else a small fortune, and we're getting piss-poor value for money.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Easily done if there is a will

1: Give all NHS medically qualified staff 12 moths notice re no strike contract. Then its take it or leave and I bet you many will shout bout it but no more than the usual number will leave.

2: Two choices who decides NHS staffs pay. First option, an indepenedent bod to determine pay rise.

Or. One body determines ALL government employed staff pay, EG, NHS, Fire Brigade, Police and MP's etc.

Simple soultions but our politicians do not have the brain cell to recognise this"

Very Tory

They deserve what they asking for good luck to them

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By *uddy laneMan over a year ago

dudley

"A question how much would people be willing to pay per year for a 100% gold plated health cover you have to renew every year on time without delay.

I would hope is more than Netflix and sky subscriptions, weekly take-aways and few pints to wash it down.

What do you think? Right ball park or not?

Well.. as long as you’re okay.. fuck the others!

Do you disagree with that comparison for private health cover costs per month?

I guess a family package would be needed people have children 2.2 avarege inoculations high risk cut scrapes breaks, I reckon 10k a year.

All quiet from the "i want the nhs privatised" when it comes to putting a price on the health insurance, the tax man will not sort out your health insurance or divert and funds.

Obviously it is not free, but what I am attempting to squeeze out is how much would people be willing to pay for health insurance.

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By *idnight RamblerMan over a year ago

Pershore

"A question how much would people be willing to pay per year for a 100% gold plated health cover you have to renew every year on time without delay.

I would hope is more than Netflix and sky subscriptions, weekly take-aways and few pints to wash it down.

What do you think? Right ball park or not?

Well.. as long as you’re okay.. fuck the others!

Do you disagree with that comparison for private health cover costs per month?

I guess a family package would be needed people have children 2.2 avarege inoculations high risk cut scrapes breaks, I reckon 10k a year.

All quiet from the "i want the nhs privatised" when it comes to putting a price on the health insurance, the tax man will not sort out your health insurance or divert and funds.

Obviously it is not free, but what I am attempting to squeeze out is how much would people be willing to pay for health insurance.

Well, for a start, the fraction of NI that contributes towards NHS funding. A more efficient NHS would cost less anyway. Apart from which, is some small payment to see a GP such a bad thing? It might bring more awareness of self-wellbeing. Provision would have to be made for those unable to pay

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By *uddy laneMan over a year ago

dudley

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By *astandFeistyCouple over a year ago

Bournemouth

"A question how much would people be willing to pay per year for a 100% gold plated health cover you have to renew every year on time without delay.

I would hope is more than Netflix and sky subscriptions, weekly take-aways and few pints to wash it down.

What do you think? Right ball park or not?

Well.. as long as you’re okay.. fuck the others!

Do you disagree with that comparison for private health cover costs per month?

I guess a family package would be needed people have children 2.2 avarege inoculations high risk cut scrapes breaks, I reckon 10k a year.

All quiet from the "i want the nhs privatised" when it comes to putting a price on the health insurance, the tax man will not sort out your health insurance or divert and funds.

Obviously it is not free, but what I am attempting to squeeze out is how much would people be willing to pay for health insurance.

This is part of the problem. Whenever we hear things like 'pay for GP', we hear the usual 'that would affect poor people'.

There has to be a way to make it work.

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By *imjohnCouple over a year ago

Clacton on sea, Essex

It used to be a vocation in life to be an NHS worker a caring organisation dedicated to helping people, Brexit Covid fucked the system to the point it needs rebuilding and structuring again to be fit for purpose.

Because of the financial problems this country is facing at the the moment lots of skills are being well underpaid , if the NHS get what they want it will be all out strikes from every workforce crippling our country even more.

If the NHS are paid what they ask will things be back to normal...no there will be years of backlog operations and a system still not fit for purpose so where is the governments incentive.

We will never have a caring NHS like we have been used to as its all about money management and people's care come bottom of the list, police can't strike as they have peoples welfare to worry about but its strange the NHS can without a worry about the deaths caused by a week long strike.

Yes people should get what they are worth but in a country crippled with depth the money pot is only so big.

Brexit fucked most of the countries structure and it's not going to pick up for decades.

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By *uddy laneMan over a year ago

dudley

"A question how much would people be willing to pay per year for a 100% gold plated health cover you have to renew every year on time without delay.

I would hope is more than Netflix and sky subscriptions, weekly take-aways and few pints to wash it down.

What do you think? Right ball park or not?

Well.. as long as you’re okay.. fuck the others!

Do you disagree with that comparison for private health cover costs per month?

I guess a family package would be needed people have children 2.2 avarege inoculations high risk cut scrapes breaks, I reckon 10k a year.

All quiet from the "i want the nhs privatised" when it comes to putting a price on the health insurance, the tax man will not sort out your health insurance or divert and funds.

Obviously it is not free, but what I am attempting to squeeze out is how much would people be willing to pay for health insurance.

This is part of the problem. Whenever we hear things like 'pay for GP', we hear the usual 'that would affect poor people'.

There has to be a way to make it work.

It would create a big manufactured divide between the haves and the have nots.

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