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"Brexit has completely failed for UK says guardian 2000 polled of which 90% now say brexit has failed Headline grab? 34 million people voted, but 2000 polled is representative of public view?" Tbf, any poll over 1000 would be regarded as representative. The figures are a bit misleading, read into it and you'll see nowhere near 90% say its failed. | |||
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"Brexit has completely failed for UK says guardian 2000 polled of which 90% now say brexit has failed Headline grab? 34 million people voted, but 2000 polled is representative of public view? Tbf, any poll over 1000 would be regarded as representative. The figures are a bit misleading, read into it and you'll see nowhere near 90% say its failed. " It does not say what geographical area or demographic was polled. Doubtful if it’s credibility. | |||
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"These polls do make me laugh, the general public knew nothing much about leaving or remaining in the EU in 2016, what do we think has changed since then? These forums are good insight on how people think, the majority can’t accept the vote, can’t move on and blame Brexit for the flat tyre on their car." It’s a poll in the guardian For a piece of academic work 2000 polled would be laughable when the original vote turnout was 34 million A research student putting forward a thesis based on this sample, would not be taken seriously by an external examiner at a Viva | |||
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"These polls do make me laugh, the general public knew nothing much about leaving or remaining in the EU in 2016, what do we think has changed since then? These forums are good insight on how people think, the majority can’t accept the vote, can’t move on and blame Brexit for the flat tyre on their car. It’s a poll in the guardian For a piece of academic work 2000 polled would be laughable when the original vote turnout was 34 million A research student putting forward a thesis based on this sample, would not be taken seriously by an external examiner at a Viva " Very true! They could have increased the confidence in the poll by asking our resident forum Brexit doom and gloom members, they would have added a balanced and thoughtful contribution | |||
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"These polls do make me laugh, the general public knew nothing much about leaving or remaining in the EU in 2016, what do we think has changed since then? These forums are good insight on how people think, the majority can’t accept the vote, can’t move on and blame Brexit for the flat tyre on their car." In fairness, haven't seen a single person who can't accept the vote. Meanwhile anyone who wants to discuss the impact of Brexit gets shut down with a barrage of personal insults and private messages with abuse. Who knows how many people still think Brexit was a good idea. A Yougov survey a few months back suggested that upto 12% of people think Brexit is going well. Which is pretty bonkers. | |||
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"These polls do make me laugh, the general public knew nothing much about leaving or remaining in the EU in 2016, what do we think has changed since then? These forums are good insight on how people think, the majority can’t accept the vote, can’t move on and blame Brexit for the flat tyre on their car. It’s a poll in the guardian For a piece of academic work 2000 polled would be laughable when the original vote turnout was 34 million A research student putting forward a thesis based on this sample, would not be taken seriously by an external examiner at a Viva " However it kind of is a true representation of where we are. Brexit has delivered nothing positive for ordinary Brits. The only thing that seems apparent and whether it is Brexit related or not is debatable, but the sitting “Brexit Believing” Government seem to be existing solely to ensure that privilege remains embedded in the U.K. psyche and that we should all expect that the upper class deserve everything whilst we should be happy for breadcrumbs. Entrenched privilege is the enemy of ordinary Brits - not French farmers, German dockers or Italian farmers. | |||
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"These polls do make me laugh, the general public knew nothing much about leaving or remaining in the EU in 2016, what do we think has changed since then? These forums are good insight on how people think, the majority can’t accept the vote, can’t move on and blame Brexit for the flat tyre on their car. It’s a poll in the guardian For a piece of academic work 2000 polled would be laughable when the original vote turnout was 34 million A research student putting forward a thesis based on this sample, would not be taken seriously by an external examiner at a Viva " Many Opinion polls and Govt related research generally use samples of around 2000 people. Out of curiosity, what sample size would a research student require to be taken seriously (and in what field is their research)? How do they recruit such a sample? Also, assuming participants are paid in some manner to take part, how does the research student fund this? | |||
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" It has always struck me that it is the Remoaners who seem remarkably insular and parochial in their world view. Unable to see any issue as separate from their fixation with Brexit. " Didn't you start a whole other thread essentially blaming Germany's economic woes on the EU? Also lol at "remoaners". You won, get over it. | |||
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" It has always struck me that it is the Remoaners who seem remarkably insular and parochial in their world view. Unable to see any issue as separate from their fixation with Brexit. Didn't you start a whole other thread essentially blaming Germany's economic woes on the EU? Also lol at "remoaners". You won, get over it." They bring it up in perpetuity like it’s some sort of safety blanket…. 
It even came up as an excuse in the Liz truss thread which made me laugh…..
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" It has always struck me that it is the Remoaners who seem remarkably insular and parochial in their world view. Unable to see any issue as separate from their fixation with Brexit. Didn't you start a whole other thread essentially blaming Germany's economic woes on the EU? Also lol at "remoaners". You won, get over it. They bring it up in perpetuity like it’s some sort of safety blanket….
It even came up as an excuse in the Liz truss thread which made me laugh…..
It’s like an eternal “get out of jail “ card excuse "Exactly so. The moaning feels like a broken gramophone record. The fact is, rightly or wrongly, we've left the EU. Now we have to make the most of it. We won't know for a generation whether or not we did the right thing. | |||
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" It has always struck me that it is the Remoaners who seem remarkably insular and parochial in their world view. Unable to see any issue as separate from their fixation with Brexit. Didn't you start a whole other thread essentially blaming Germany's economic woes on the EU? Also lol at "remoaners". You won, get over it. They bring it up in perpetuity like it’s some sort of safety blanket….
It even came up as an excuse in the Liz truss thread which made me laugh…..
It’s like an eternal “get out of jail “ card excuse
Exactly so. The moaning feels like a broken gramophone record. The fact is, rightly or wrongly, we've left the EU. Now we have to make the most of it. We won't know for a generation whether or not we did the right thing.
"The problem is that we can't get on with it while our politicians can't be honest about the impact of Brexit. They're too scared of losing support if they address the problems it's causing, so they're still trying to pretend it was a good idea. We need politicians who will have an honest look at all the problems that Brexit has caused so we can start to mitigate them. Instead of being stuck in some kind of limbo. Although, in fairness to the Tories, they don't care about any of the problems it's causing. | |||
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" It has always struck me that it is the Remoaners who seem remarkably insular and parochial in their world view. Unable to see any issue as separate from their fixation with Brexit. Didn't you start a whole other thread essentially blaming Germany's economic woes on the EU? Also lol at "remoaners". You won, get over it. They bring it up in perpetuity like it’s some sort of safety blanket….
It even came up as an excuse in the Liz truss thread which made me laugh…..
It’s like an eternal “get out of jail “ card excuse
Exactly so. The moaning feels like a broken gramophone record. The fact is, rightly or wrongly, we've left the EU. Now we have to make the most of it. We won't know for a generation whether or not we did the right thing.
The problem is that we can't get on with it while our politicians can't be honest about the impact of Brexit. They're too scared of losing support if they address the problems it's causing, so they're still trying to pretend it was a good idea.
We need politicians who will have an honest look at all the problems that Brexit has caused so we can start to mitigate them. Instead of being stuck in some kind of limbo.
Although, in fairness to the Tories, they don't care about any of the problems it's causing. "What problems do you think Brexit specifically, is causing? I can’t see anything specific. | |||
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" It has always struck me that it is the Remoaners who seem remarkably insular and parochial in their world view. Unable to see any issue as separate from their fixation with Brexit. Didn't you start a whole other thread essentially blaming Germany's economic woes on the EU? Also lol at "remoaners". You won, get over it. They bring it up in perpetuity like it’s some sort of safety blanket….
It even came up as an excuse in the Liz truss thread which made me laugh…..
It’s like an eternal “get out of jail “ card excuse
Exactly so. The moaning feels like a broken gramophone record. The fact is, rightly or wrongly, we've left the EU. Now we have to make the most of it. We won't know for a generation whether or not we did the right thing.
The problem is that we can't get on with it while our politicians can't be honest about the impact of Brexit. They're too scared of losing support if they address the problems it's causing, so they're still trying to pretend it was a good idea.
We need politicians who will have an honest look at all the problems that Brexit has caused so we can start to mitigate them. Instead of being stuck in some kind of limbo.
Although, in fairness to the Tories, they don't care about any of the problems it's causing. "For the first time in history people actively voted to make themselves poorer and bite their noses off to spite their faces…. We have become the poster people for “do you really want to be like them!” I’m over it.. I got an Irish passport to mitigate as many of the negatives as I could… now it’s just trying to make the best of a bad situation… I am over the fact t people will never admit they got it wrong…. They will just point and always say “long term, long term!” | |||
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" It has always struck me that it is the Remoaners who seem remarkably insular and parochial in their world view. Unable to see any issue as separate from their fixation with Brexit. Didn't you start a whole other thread essentially blaming Germany's economic woes on the EU? Also lol at "remoaners". You won, get over it. They bring it up in perpetuity like it’s some sort of safety blanket….
It even came up as an excuse in the Liz truss thread which made me laugh…..
It’s like an eternal “get out of jail “ card excuse
Exactly so. The moaning feels like a broken gramophone record. The fact is, rightly or wrongly, we've left the EU. Now we have to make the most of it. We won't know for a generation whether or not we did the right thing.
The problem is that we can't get on with it while our politicians can't be honest about the impact of Brexit. They're too scared of losing support if they address the problems it's causing, so they're still trying to pretend it was a good idea.
We need politicians who will have an honest look at all the problems that Brexit has caused so we can start to mitigate them. Instead of being stuck in some kind of limbo.
Although, in fairness to the Tories, they don't care about any of the problems it's causing.
What problems do you think Brexit specifically, is causing?
I can’t see anything specific. "This is clearly a ridiculous thing to say. You're well aware of the logistical and economic problems it's causing. | |||
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" It has always struck me that it is the Remoaners who seem remarkably insular and parochial in their world view. Unable to see any issue as separate from their fixation with Brexit. Didn't you start a whole other thread essentially blaming Germany's economic woes on the EU? Also lol at "remoaners". You won, get over it. They bring it up in perpetuity like it’s some sort of safety blanket….
It even came up as an excuse in the Liz truss thread which made me laugh…..
It’s like an eternal “get out of jail “ card excuse
Exactly so. The moaning feels like a broken gramophone record. The fact is, rightly or wrongly, we've left the EU. Now we have to make the most of it. We won't know for a generation whether or not we did the right thing.
The problem is that we can't get on with it while our politicians can't be honest about the impact of Brexit. They're too scared of losing support if they address the problems it's causing, so they're still trying to pretend it was a good idea.
We need politicians who will have an honest look at all the problems that Brexit has caused so we can start to mitigate them. Instead of being stuck in some kind of limbo.
Although, in fairness to the Tories, they don't care about any of the problems it's causing.
For the first time in history people actively voted to make themselves poorer and bite their noses off to spite their faces…. We have become the poster people for “do you really want to be like them!”
I’m over it.. I got an Irish passport to mitigate as many of the negatives as I could… now it’s just trying to make the best of a bad situation…
I am over the fact t people will never admit they got it wrong…. They will just point and always say “long term, long term!”"Have done what I can in my own life to mitigate. As a country we're stuck in limbo. | |||
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" It has always struck me that it is the Remoaners who seem remarkably insular and parochial in their world view. Unable to see any issue as separate from their fixation with Brexit. Didn't you start a whole other thread essentially blaming Germany's economic woes on the EU? Also lol at "remoaners". You won, get over it. They bring it up in perpetuity like it’s some sort of safety blanket….
It even came up as an excuse in the Liz truss thread which made me laugh…..
It’s like an eternal “get out of jail “ card excuse
Exactly so. The moaning feels like a broken gramophone record. The fact is, rightly or wrongly, we've left the EU. Now we have to make the most of it. We won't know for a generation whether or not we did the right thing.
The problem is that we can't get on with it while our politicians can't be honest about the impact of Brexit. They're too scared of losing support if they address the problems it's causing, so they're still trying to pretend it was a good idea.
We need politicians who will have an honest look at all the problems that Brexit has caused so we can start to mitigate them. Instead of being stuck in some kind of limbo.
Although, in fairness to the Tories, they don't care about any of the problems it's causing.
What problems do you think Brexit specifically, is causing?
I can’t see anything specific.
This is clearly a ridiculous thing to say. You're well aware of the logistical and economic problems it's causing.
"I can see the same problems in other countries, what is it specifically? If hadn’t left the EU how would that make today meaningfully different? | |||
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" It has always struck me that it is the Remoaners who seem remarkably insular and parochial in their world view. Unable to see any issue as separate from their fixation with Brexit. Didn't you start a whole other thread essentially blaming Germany's economic woes on the EU? Also lol at "remoaners". You won, get over it. They bring it up in perpetuity like it’s some sort of safety blanket….
It even came up as an excuse in the Liz truss thread which made me laugh…..
It’s like an eternal “get out of jail “ card excuse
Exactly so. The moaning feels like a broken gramophone record. The fact is, rightly or wrongly, we've left the EU. Now we have to make the most of it. We won't know for a generation whether or not we did the right thing.
The problem is that we can't get on with it while our politicians can't be honest about the impact of Brexit. They're too scared of losing support if they address the problems it's causing, so they're still trying to pretend it was a good idea.
We need politicians who will have an honest look at all the problems that Brexit has caused so we can start to mitigate them. Instead of being stuck in some kind of limbo.
Although, in fairness to the Tories, they don't care about any of the problems it's causing.
What problems do you think Brexit specifically, is causing?
I can’t see anything specific.
This is clearly a ridiculous thing to say. You're well aware of the logistical and economic problems it's causing.
I can see the same problems in other countries, what is it specifically? If hadn’t left the EU how would that make today meaningfully different? "Other EU countries have delays, extra red tape, extra costs importing and exporting goods, parts, supplies to the EU? Other EU countries have had shellfish businesses close because their produce is no longer cleaned within the EU which is their main market? These are extremely bold claims. I assume you have some rock solid info and statistics to back this up? | |||
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" It has always struck me that it is the Remoaners who seem remarkably insular and parochial in their world view. Unable to see any issue as separate from their fixation with Brexit. Didn't you start a whole other thread essentially blaming Germany's economic woes on the EU? Also lol at "remoaners". You won, get over it. They bring it up in perpetuity like it’s some sort of safety blanket….
It even came up as an excuse in the Liz truss thread which made me laugh…..
It’s like an eternal “get out of jail “ card excuse
Exactly so. The moaning feels like a broken gramophone record. The fact is, rightly or wrongly, we've left the EU. Now we have to make the most of it. We won't know for a generation whether or not we did the right thing.
The problem is that we can't get on with it while our politicians can't be honest about the impact of Brexit. They're too scared of losing support if they address the problems it's causing, so they're still trying to pretend it was a good idea.
We need politicians who will have an honest look at all the problems that Brexit has caused so we can start to mitigate them. Instead of being stuck in some kind of limbo.
Although, in fairness to the Tories, they don't care about any of the problems it's causing.
What problems do you think Brexit specifically, is causing?
I can’t see anything specific.
This is clearly a ridiculous thing to say. You're well aware of the logistical and economic problems it's causing.
I can see the same problems in other countries, what is it specifically? If hadn’t left the EU how would that make today meaningfully different?
Other EU countries have delays, extra red tape, extra costs importing and exporting goods, parts, supplies to the EU?
Other EU countries have had shellfish businesses close because their produce is no longer cleaned within the EU which is their main market?
These are extremely bold claims. I assume you have some rock solid info and statistics to back this up?"I think you are saying different admin processes for import and export, how much of an impact has that been to us in our day to day? I know at the start of the transition small business owners were struggling due to understanding mainly and some who were barely afloat not being able or willing to make changes. Other than that what is impacting us today? | |||
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" It has always struck me that it is the Remoaners who seem remarkably insular and parochial in their world view. Unable to see any issue as separate from their fixation with Brexit. Didn't you start a whole other thread essentially blaming Germany's economic woes on the EU? Also lol at "remoaners". You won, get over it. They bring it up in perpetuity like it’s some sort of safety blanket….
It even came up as an excuse in the Liz truss thread which made me laugh…..
It’s like an eternal “get out of jail “ card excuse
Exactly so. The moaning feels like a broken gramophone record. The fact is, rightly or wrongly, we've left the EU. Now we have to make the most of it. We won't know for a generation whether or not we did the right thing.
The problem is that we can't get on with it while our politicians can't be honest about the impact of Brexit. They're too scared of losing support if they address the problems it's causing, so they're still trying to pretend it was a good idea.
We need politicians who will have an honest look at all the problems that Brexit has caused so we can start to mitigate them. Instead of being stuck in some kind of limbo.
Although, in fairness to the Tories, they don't care about any of the problems it's causing.
For the first time in history people actively voted to make themselves poorer and bite their noses off to spite their faces…. We have become the poster people for “do you really want to be like them!”
I’m over it.. I got an Irish passport to mitigate as many of the negatives as I could… now it’s just trying to make the best of a bad situation…
I am over the fact t people will never admit they got it wrong…. They will just point and always say “long term, long term!”"What has you Irish passport given you, how have you used it to an advantage? | |||
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" What has you Irish passport given you, how have you used it to an advantage? " Oh, yes, please let's do "the benefits of EU citizenship and why Good Old Blighty should be good enough for anyone". I'll take "Freedom of Movement" for $200 please, Alex. | |||
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" What has you Irish passport given you, how have you used it to an advantage? Oh, yes, please let's do "the benefits of EU citizenship and why Good Old Blighty should be good enough for anyone". I'll take "Freedom of Movement" for $200 please, Alex." How often would you use the extra time allowed to stay in the EU next year? | |||
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" What has you Irish passport given you, how have you used it to an advantage? Oh, yes, please let's do "the benefits of EU citizenship and why Good Old Blighty should be good enough for anyone". I'll take "Freedom of Movement" for $200 please, Alex." I travel extensively abroad every year and haven’t really noticed any difference at all between before or after Brexit in terms of travel administration. I don’t know anyone who has gone to work in Europe aside from the odd person who has bought somewhere in France. Any young people I know who want to work abroad have gone to the US, Canada or the UAE. Which is pretty obvious no? The reason people go abroad to work is to better their lot. People aren’t going to do that by moving to European countries where the salaries are lower and the economies even more stagnant than in the UK. So what practically is the use of “freedom of movement”? Move to Romania if you want. If you have skills that they need they will take you regardless of whether we are in the EU or not, but don’t be expecting a pay rise. | |||
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" It has always struck me that it is the Remoaners who seem remarkably insular and parochial in their world view. Unable to see any issue as separate from their fixation with Brexit. Didn't you start a whole other thread essentially blaming Germany's economic woes on the EU? Also lol at "remoaners". You won, get over it. They bring it up in perpetuity like it’s some sort of safety blanket….
It even came up as an excuse in the Liz truss thread which made me laugh…..
It’s like an eternal “get out of jail “ card excuse
Exactly so. The moaning feels like a broken gramophone record. The fact is, rightly or wrongly, we've left the EU. Now we have to make the most of it. We won't know for a generation whether or not we did the right thing.
The problem is that we can't get on with it while our politicians can't be honest about the impact of Brexit. They're too scared of losing support if they address the problems it's causing, so they're still trying to pretend it was a good idea.
We need politicians who will have an honest look at all the problems that Brexit has caused so we can start to mitigate them. Instead of being stuck in some kind of limbo.
Although, in fairness to the Tories, they don't care about any of the problems it's causing.
For the first time in history people actively voted to make themselves poorer and bite their noses off to spite their faces…. We have become the poster people for “do you really want to be like them!”
I’m over it.. I got an Irish passport to mitigate as many of the negatives as I could… now it’s just trying to make the best of a bad situation…
I am over the fact t people will never admit they got it wrong…. They will just point and always say “long term, long term!”
What has you Irish passport given you, how have you used it to an advantage? "The only thing an Irish Passport will give a UK resident is FoM. Something which 99% of us will never use. | |||
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" What has you Irish passport given you, how have you used it to an advantage? Oh, yes, please let's do "the benefits of EU citizenship and why Good Old Blighty should be good enough for anyone". I'll take "Freedom of Movement" for $200 please, Alex. How often would you use the extra time allowed to stay in the EU next year?" I mean, I lived in France between 1987 and 2000. I have family there and in Germany. I speak more than one language. I go to Europe all the time. Permanent or semi-permanent relocation to an EU country is a possibility in my future, albeit a more difficult one now. | |||
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" What has you Irish passport given you, how have you used it to an advantage? Oh, yes, please let's do "the benefits of EU citizenship and why Good Old Blighty should be good enough for anyone". I'll take "Freedom of Movement" for $200 please, Alex. I travel extensively abroad every year and haven’t really noticed any difference at all between before or after Brexit in terms of travel administration. I don’t know anyone who has gone to work in Europe aside from the odd person who has bought somewhere in France. Any young people I know who want to work abroad have gone to the US, Canada or the UAE. Which is pretty obvious no? The reason people go abroad to work is to better their lot. People aren’t going to do that by moving to European countries where the salaries are lower and the economies even more stagnant than in the UK. So what practically is the use of “freedom of movement”? Move to Romania if you want. If you have skills that they need they will take you regardless of whether we are in the EU or not, but don’t be expecting a pay rise." I accept that you, personally, don't know anyone who has gone to work in Europe. There are reasons to move to another country other than a better salary or a faster-growing economy. | |||
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" It has always struck me that it is the Remoaners who seem remarkably insular and parochial in their world view. Unable to see any issue as separate from their fixation with Brexit. Didn't you start a whole other thread essentially blaming Germany's economic woes on the EU? Also lol at "remoaners". You won, get over it. They bring it up in perpetuity like it’s some sort of safety blanket….
It even came up as an excuse in the Liz truss thread which made me laugh…..
It’s like an eternal “get out of jail “ card excuse
Exactly so. The moaning feels like a broken gramophone record. The fact is, rightly or wrongly, we've left the EU. Now we have to make the most of it. We won't know for a generation whether or not we did the right thing.
The problem is that we can't get on with it while our politicians can't be honest about the impact of Brexit. They're too scared of losing support if they address the problems it's causing, so they're still trying to pretend it was a good idea.
We need politicians who will have an honest look at all the problems that Brexit has caused so we can start to mitigate them. Instead of being stuck in some kind of limbo.
Although, in fairness to the Tories, they don't care about any of the problems it's causing.
What problems do you think Brexit specifically, is causing?
I can’t see anything specific.
This is clearly a ridiculous thing to say. You're well aware of the logistical and economic problems it's causing.
I can see the same problems in other countries, what is it specifically? If hadn’t left the EU how would that make today meaningfully different?
Other EU countries have delays, extra red tape, extra costs importing and exporting goods, parts, supplies to the EU?
Other EU countries have had shellfish businesses close because their produce is no longer cleaned within the EU which is their main market?
These are extremely bold claims. I assume you have some rock solid info and statistics to back this up?
I think you are saying different admin processes for import and export, how much of an impact has that been to us in our day to day? I know at the start of the transition small business owners were struggling due to understanding mainly and some who were barely afloat not being able or willing to make changes. Other than that what is impacting us today? "Maybe you could explain how these seemingly unrelated questions can some how prove your point that Brexit has caused no problems to the UK? | |||
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" What has you Irish passport given you, how have you used it to an advantage? Oh, yes, please let's do "the benefits of EU citizenship and why Good Old Blighty should be good enough for anyone". I'll take "Freedom of Movement" for $200 please, Alex. I travel extensively abroad every year and haven’t really noticed any difference at all between before or after Brexit in terms of travel administration. I don’t know anyone who has gone to work in Europe aside from the odd person who has bought somewhere in France. Any young people I know who want to work abroad have gone to the US, Canada or the UAE. Which is pretty obvious no? The reason people go abroad to work is to better their lot. People aren’t going to do that by moving to European countries where the salaries are lower and the economies even more stagnant than in the UK. So what practically is the use of “freedom of movement”? Move to Romania if you want. If you have skills that they need they will take you regardless of whether we are in the EU or not, but don’t be expecting a pay rise. I accept that you, personally, don't know anyone who has gone to work in Europe. There are reasons to move to another country other than a better salary or a faster-growing economy." Like what? | |||
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" There are reasons to move to another country other than a better salary or a faster-growing economy. Like what?" Is that a serious question? | |||
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" What has you Irish passport given you, how have you used it to an advantage? Oh, yes, please let's do "the benefits of EU citizenship and why Good Old Blighty should be good enough for anyone". I'll take "Freedom of Movement" for $200 please, Alex. How often would you use the extra time allowed to stay in the EU next year? I mean, I lived in France between 1987 and 2000. I have family there and in Germany. I speak more than one language. I go to Europe all the time. Permanent or semi-permanent relocation to an EU country is a possibility in my future, albeit a more difficult one now." If things do not change you will need to jump through some hoops to live in an EU country, but I expect some change in the rules in the future. We already have digital nomad visa's that basically provide freedom of movement and I understand Spain are considering changes to the 90 day rule. | |||
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" It has always struck me that it is the Remoaners who seem remarkably insular and parochial in their world view. Unable to see any issue as separate from their fixation with Brexit. Didn't you start a whole other thread essentially blaming Germany's economic woes on the EU? Also lol at "remoaners". You won, get over it. They bring it up in perpetuity like it’s some sort of safety blanket….
It even came up as an excuse in the Liz truss thread which made me laugh…..
It’s like an eternal “get out of jail “ card excuse "And yet you offered no reply kn tbe truss thread. | |||
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" It has always struck me that it is the Remoaners who seem remarkably insular and parochial in their world view. Unable to see any issue as separate from their fixation with Brexit. Didn't you start a whole other thread essentially blaming Germany's economic woes on the EU? Also lol at "remoaners". You won, get over it. They bring it up in perpetuity like it’s some sort of safety blanket….
It even came up as an excuse in the Liz truss thread which made me laugh…..
It’s like an eternal “get out of jail “ card excuse
Exactly so. The moaning feels like a broken gramophone record. The fact is, rightly or wrongly, we've left the EU. Now we have to make the most of it. We won't know for a generation whether or not we did the right thing.
The problem is that we can't get on with it while our politicians can't be honest about the impact of Brexit. They're too scared of losing support if they address the problems it's causing, so they're still trying to pretend it was a good idea.
We need politicians who will have an honest look at all the problems that Brexit has caused so we can start to mitigate them. Instead of being stuck in some kind of limbo.
Although, in fairness to the Tories, they don't care about any of the problems it's causing.
For the first time in history people actively voted to make themselves poorer and bite their noses off to spite their faces…. We have become the poster people for “do you really want to be like them!”
I’m over it.. I got an Irish passport to mitigate as many of the negatives as I could… now it’s just trying to make the best of a bad situation…
I am over the fact t people will never admit they got it wrong…. They will just point and always say “long term, long term!”"No one is poorer due to brexit. As arsed our wages rose quicker than inside e.u and inflation less | |||
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" It has always struck me that it is the Remoaners who seem remarkably insular and parochial in their world view. Unable to see any issue as separate from their fixation with Brexit. Didn't you start a whole other thread essentially blaming Germany's economic woes on the EU? Also lol at "remoaners". You won, get over it. They bring it up in perpetuity like it’s some sort of safety blanket….
It even came up as an excuse in the Liz truss thread which made me laugh…..
It’s like an eternal “get out of jail “ card excuse
Exactly so. The moaning feels like a broken gramophone record. The fact is, rightly or wrongly, we've left the EU. Now we have to make the most of it. We won't know for a generation whether or not we did the right thing.
The problem is that we can't get on with it while our politicians can't be honest about the impact of Brexit. They're too scared of losing support if they address the problems it's causing, so they're still trying to pretend it was a good idea.
We need politicians who will have an honest look at all the problems that Brexit has caused so we can start to mitigate them. Instead of being stuck in some kind of limbo.
Although, in fairness to the Tories, they don't care about any of the problems it's causing.
What problems do you think Brexit specifically, is causing?
I can’t see anything specific.
This is clearly a ridiculous thing to say. You're well aware of the logistical and economic problems it's causing.
I can see the same problems in other countries, what is it specifically? If hadn’t left the EU how would that make today meaningfully different?
Other EU countries have delays, extra red tape, extra costs importing and exporting goods, parts, supplies to the EU?
Other EU countries have had shellfish businesses close because their produce is no longer cleaned within the EU which is their main market?
These are extremely bold claims. I assume you have some rock solid info and statistics to back this up?
I think you are saying different admin processes for import and export, how much of an impact has that been to us in our day to day? I know at the start of the transition small business owners were struggling due to understanding mainly and some who were barely afloat not being able or willing to make changes. Other than that what is impacting us today?
Maybe you could explain how these seemingly unrelated questions can some how prove your point that Brexit has caused no problems to the UK?"I'm not saying Brexit hasn't caused a problem, you said it has and I'm asking you for specific examples. You mentioned trade and here we are, any examples? | |||
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" What has you Irish passport given you, how have you used it to an advantage? Oh, yes, please let's do "the benefits of EU citizenship and why Good Old Blighty should be good enough for anyone". I'll take "Freedom of Movement" for $200 please, Alex. How often would you use the extra time allowed to stay in the EU next year? I mean, I lived in France between 1987 and 2000. I have family there and in Germany. I speak more than one language. I go to Europe all the time. Permanent or semi-permanent relocation to an EU country is a possibility in my future, albeit a more difficult one now. If things do not change you will need to jump through some hoops to live in an EU country, but I expect some change in the rules in the future. We already have digital nomad visa's that basically provide freedom of movement and I understand Spain are considering changes to the 90 day rule. " So the best case is an eventual change in the rules that might if we're lucky get us back the same privileges we had as EU members? I mean, that's not really an argument in favour of Brexit. | |||
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" What has you Irish passport given you, how have you used it to an advantage? Oh, yes, please let's do "the benefits of EU citizenship and why Good Old Blighty should be good enough for anyone". I'll take "Freedom of Movement" for $200 please, Alex. I travel extensively abroad every year and haven’t really noticed any difference at all between before or after Brexit in terms of travel administration. I don’t know anyone who has gone to work in Europe aside from the odd person who has bought somewhere in France. Any young people I know who want to work abroad have gone to the US, Canada or the UAE. Which is pretty obvious no? The reason people go abroad to work is to better their lot. People aren’t going to do that by moving to European countries where the salaries are lower and the economies even more stagnant than in the UK. So what practically is the use of “freedom of movement”? Move to Romania if you want. If you have skills that they need they will take you regardless of whether we are in the EU or not, but don’t be expecting a pay rise. I accept that you, personally, don't know anyone who has gone to work in Europe. There are reasons to move to another country other than a better salary or a faster-growing economy. Like what?" Maybe ask all those Brits who took advantage of freedom of movement to retire to Spain… and Greece… and Portugal for a start….  | |||
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" What has you Irish passport given you, how have you used it to an advantage? Oh, yes, please let's do "the benefits of EU citizenship and why Good Old Blighty should be good enough for anyone". I'll take "Freedom of Movement" for $200 please, Alex. How often would you use the extra time allowed to stay in the EU next year? I mean, I lived in France between 1987 and 2000. I have family there and in Germany. I speak more than one language. I go to Europe all the time. Permanent or semi-permanent relocation to an EU country is a possibility in my future, albeit a more difficult one now. If things do not change you will need to jump through some hoops to live in an EU country, but I expect some change in the rules in the future. We already have digital nomad visa's that basically provide freedom of movement and I understand Spain are considering changes to the 90 day rule. So the best case is an eventual change in the rules that might if we're lucky get us back the same privileges we had as EU members? I mean, that's not really an argument in favour of Brexit." No, but we have left the EU so being in favour or not in favour, really doesn't come into it now. I'm not really seeing a lot of brexit impacts being given as examples, other than the FOM being restricted to 90 days. | |||
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" It has always struck me that it is the Remoaners who seem remarkably insular and parochial in their world view. Unable to see any issue as separate from their fixation with Brexit. Didn't you start a whole other thread essentially blaming Germany's economic woes on the EU? Also lol at "remoaners". You won, get over it. They bring it up in perpetuity like it’s some sort of safety blanket….
It even came up as an excuse in the Liz truss thread which made me laugh…..
It’s like an eternal “get out of jail “ card excuse
And yet you offered no reply kn tbe truss thread."Yeah… because I was and am still laughing that you brought up remoaners as a defence of truss!! You know that thing about something not being worth replying to…. Taa daa!!! | |||
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" It has always struck me that it is the Remoaners who seem remarkably insular and parochial in their world view. Unable to see any issue as separate from their fixation with Brexit. Didn't you start a whole other thread essentially blaming Germany's economic woes on the EU? Also lol at "remoaners". You won, get over it. They bring it up in perpetuity like it’s some sort of safety blanket….
It even came up as an excuse in the Liz truss thread which made me laugh…..
It’s like an eternal “get out of jail “ card excuse
Exactly so. The moaning feels like a broken gramophone record. The fact is, rightly or wrongly, we've left the EU. Now we have to make the most of it. We won't know for a generation whether or not we did the right thing.
The problem is that we can't get on with it while our politicians can't be honest about the impact of Brexit. They're too scared of losing support if they address the problems it's causing, so they're still trying to pretend it was a good idea.
We need politicians who will have an honest look at all the problems that Brexit has caused so we can start to mitigate them. Instead of being stuck in some kind of limbo.
Although, in fairness to the Tories, they don't care about any of the problems it's causing.
What problems do you think Brexit specifically, is causing?
I can’t see anything specific.
This is clearly a ridiculous thing to say. You're well aware of the logistical and economic problems it's causing.
I can see the same problems in other countries, what is it specifically? If hadn’t left the EU how would that make today meaningfully different?
Other EU countries have delays, extra red tape, extra costs importing and exporting goods, parts, supplies to the EU?
Other EU countries have had shellfish businesses close because their produce is no longer cleaned within the EU which is their main market?
These are extremely bold claims. I assume you have some rock solid info and statistics to back this up?
I think you are saying different admin processes for import and export, how much of an impact has that been to us in our day to day? I know at the start of the transition small business owners were struggling due to understanding mainly and some who were barely afloat not being able or willing to make changes. Other than that what is impacting us today?
Maybe you could explain how these seemingly unrelated questions can some how prove your point that Brexit has caused no problems to the UK?
I'm not saying Brexit hasn't caused a problem, you said it has and I'm asking you for specific examples.
You mentioned trade and here we are, any examples?"You said. "What problems do you think Brexit specifically, is causing? I can’t see anything specific." I answered, and you started asking questions that don't appear to be related to the point. If you can explain why you're asking the questions, it would help in answering them. | |||
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" It has always struck me that it is the Remoaners who seem remarkably insular and parochial in their world view. Unable to see any issue as separate from their fixation with Brexit. Didn't you start a whole other thread essentially blaming Germany's economic woes on the EU? Also lol at "remoaners". You won, get over it. They bring it up in perpetuity like it’s some sort of safety blanket….
It even came up as an excuse in the Liz truss thread which made me laugh…..
It’s like an eternal “get out of jail “ card excuse
Exactly so. The moaning feels like a broken gramophone record. The fact is, rightly or wrongly, we've left the EU. Now we have to make the most of it. We won't know for a generation whether or not we did the right thing.
The problem is that we can't get on with it while our politicians can't be honest about the impact of Brexit. They're too scared of losing support if they address the problems it's causing, so they're still trying to pretend it was a good idea.
We need politicians who will have an honest look at all the problems that Brexit has caused so we can start to mitigate them. Instead of being stuck in some kind of limbo.
Although, in fairness to the Tories, they don't care about any of the problems it's causing.
What problems do you think Brexit specifically, is causing?
I can’t see anything specific.
This is clearly a ridiculous thing to say. You're well aware of the logistical and economic problems it's causing.
I can see the same problems in other countries, what is it specifically? If hadn’t left the EU how would that make today meaningfully different?
Other EU countries have delays, extra red tape, extra costs importing and exporting goods, parts, supplies to the EU?
Other EU countries have had shellfish businesses close because their produce is no longer cleaned within the EU which is their main market?
These are extremely bold claims. I assume you have some rock solid info and statistics to back this up?
I think you are saying different admin processes for import and export, how much of an impact has that been to us in our day to day? I know at the start of the transition small business owners were struggling due to understanding mainly and some who were barely afloat not being able or willing to make changes. Other than that what is impacting us today?
Maybe you could explain how these seemingly unrelated questions can some how prove your point that Brexit has caused no problems to the UK?
I'm not saying Brexit hasn't caused a problem, you said it has and I'm asking you for specific examples.
You mentioned trade and here we are, any examples?
You said.
"What problems do you think Brexit specifically, is causing?
I can’t see anything specific."
I answered, and you started asking questions that don't appear to be related to the point. If you can explain why you're asking the questions, it would help in answering them."FGS Johnny don’t make them show you their workings… it will just take you down the rabbit hole of shittery!!! | |||
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" It has always struck me that it is the Remoaners who seem remarkably insular and parochial in their world view. Unable to see any issue as separate from their fixation with Brexit. Didn't you start a whole other thread essentially blaming Germany's economic woes on the EU? Also lol at "remoaners". You won, get over it. They bring it up in perpetuity like it’s some sort of safety blanket….
It even came up as an excuse in the Liz truss thread which made me laugh…..
It’s like an eternal “get out of jail “ card excuse
Exactly so. The moaning feels like a broken gramophone record. The fact is, rightly or wrongly, we've left the EU. Now we have to make the most of it. We won't know for a generation whether or not we did the right thing.
The problem is that we can't get on with it while our politicians can't be honest about the impact of Brexit. They're too scared of losing support if they address the problems it's causing, so they're still trying to pretend it was a good idea.
We need politicians who will have an honest look at all the problems that Brexit has caused so we can start to mitigate them. Instead of being stuck in some kind of limbo.
Although, in fairness to the Tories, they don't care about any of the problems it's causing.
What problems do you think Brexit specifically, is causing?
I can’t see anything specific.
This is clearly a ridiculous thing to say. You're well aware of the logistical and economic problems it's causing.
I can see the same problems in other countries, what is it specifically? If hadn’t left the EU how would that make today meaningfully different?
Other EU countries have delays, extra red tape, extra costs importing and exporting goods, parts, supplies to the EU?
Other EU countries have had shellfish businesses close because their produce is no longer cleaned within the EU which is their main market?
These are extremely bold claims. I assume you have some rock solid info and statistics to back this up?
I think you are saying different admin processes for import and export, how much of an impact has that been to us in our day to day? I know at the start of the transition small business owners were struggling due to understanding mainly and some who were barely afloat not being able or willing to make changes. Other than that what is impacting us today?
Maybe you could explain how these seemingly unrelated questions can some how prove your point that Brexit has caused no problems to the UK?
I'm not saying Brexit hasn't caused a problem, you said it has and I'm asking you for specific examples.
You mentioned trade and here we are, any examples?
You said.
"What problems do you think Brexit specifically, is causing?
I can’t see anything specific."
I answered, and you started asking questions that don't appear to be related to the point. If you can explain why you're asking the questions, it would help in answering them."You said "This is clearly a ridiculous thing to say. You're well aware of the logistical and economic problems it's causing". I said "I can see the same problems in other countries, what is it specifically? If we hadn’t left the EU how would that make today meaningfully different?" Can you respond to that? | |||
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" What has you Irish passport given you, how have you used it to an advantage? Oh, yes, please let's do "the benefits of EU citizenship and why Good Old Blighty should be good enough for anyone". I'll take "Freedom of Movement" for $200 please, Alex. I travel extensively abroad every year and haven’t really noticed any difference at all between before or after Brexit in terms of travel administration. I don’t know anyone who has gone to work in Europe aside from the odd person who has bought somewhere in France. Any young people I know who want to work abroad have gone to the US, Canada or the UAE. Which is pretty obvious no? The reason people go abroad to work is to better their lot. People aren’t going to do that by moving to European countries where the salaries are lower and the economies even more stagnant than in the UK. So what practically is the use of “freedom of movement”? Move to Romania if you want. If you have skills that they need they will take you regardless of whether we are in the EU or not, but don’t be expecting a pay rise. I accept that you, personally, don't know anyone who has gone to work in Europe. There are reasons to move to another country other than a better salary or a faster-growing economy. Like what? Maybe ask all those Brits who took advantage of freedom of movement to retire to Spain… and Greece… and Portugal for a start…. "The ones that are still there enjoying tbe weather | |||
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" It has always struck me that it is the Remoaners who seem remarkably insular and parochial in their world view. Unable to see any issue as separate from their fixation with Brexit. Didn't you start a whole other thread essentially blaming Germany's economic woes on the EU? Also lol at "remoaners". You won, get over it. They bring it up in perpetuity like it’s some sort of safety blanket….
It even came up as an excuse in the Liz truss thread which made me laugh…..
It’s like an eternal “get out of jail “ card excuse
Exactly so. The moaning feels like a broken gramophone record. The fact is, rightly or wrongly, we've left the EU. Now we have to make the most of it. We won't know for a generation whether or not we did the right thing.
The problem is that we can't get on with it while our politicians can't be honest about the impact of Brexit. They're too scared of losing support if they address the problems it's causing, so they're still trying to pretend it was a good idea.
We need politicians who will have an honest look at all the problems that Brexit has caused so we can start to mitigate them. Instead of being stuck in some kind of limbo.
Although, in fairness to the Tories, they don't care about any of the problems it's causing.
What problems do you think Brexit specifically, is causing?
I can’t see anything specific.
This is clearly a ridiculous thing to say. You're well aware of the logistical and economic problems it's causing.
I can see the same problems in other countries, what is it specifically? If hadn’t left the EU how would that make today meaningfully different?
Other EU countries have delays, extra red tape, extra costs importing and exporting goods, parts, supplies to the EU?
Other EU countries have had shellfish businesses close because their produce is no longer cleaned within the EU which is their main market?
These are extremely bold claims. I assume you have some rock solid info and statistics to back this up?
I think you are saying different admin processes for import and export, how much of an impact has that been to us in our day to day? I know at the start of the transition small business owners were struggling due to understanding mainly and some who were barely afloat not being able or willing to make changes. Other than that what is impacting us today?
Maybe you could explain how these seemingly unrelated questions can some how prove your point that Brexit has caused no problems to the UK?
I'm not saying Brexit hasn't caused a problem, you said it has and I'm asking you for specific examples.
You mentioned trade and here we are, any examples?
You said.
"What problems do you think Brexit specifically, is causing?
I can’t see anything specific."
I answered, and you started asking questions that don't appear to be related to the point. If you can explain why you're asking the questions, it would help in answering them.
FGS Johnny don’t make them show you their workings… it will just take you down the rabbit hole of shittery!!! "can tell me the advantages you have had today with your Irish passport, or was that your rabbit hole of shittery along with 2 children who have a German mother having German passports too.... | |||
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" It has always struck me that it is the Remoaners who seem remarkably insular and parochial in their world view. Unable to see any issue as separate from their fixation with Brexit. Didn't you start a whole other thread essentially blaming Germany's economic woes on the EU? Also lol at "remoaners". You won, get over it. They bring it up in perpetuity like it’s some sort of safety blanket….
It even came up as an excuse in the Liz truss thread which made me laugh…..
It’s like an eternal “get out of jail “ card excuse
And yet you offered no reply kn tbe truss thread.
Yeah… because I was and am still laughing that you brought up remoaners as a defence of truss!!
You know that thing about something not being worth replying to…. Taa daa!!! "It'd OK to admit you make claims and get then wrong. You have a habit of making grandiose claims then never replying. Others have replied to you as well. This is sadly your behaviour on this forum | |||
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" It has always struck me that it is the Remoaners who seem remarkably insular and parochial in their world view. Unable to see any issue as separate from their fixation with Brexit. Didn't you start a whole other thread essentially blaming Germany's economic woes on the EU? Also lol at "remoaners". You won, get over it. They bring it up in perpetuity like it’s some sort of safety blanket….
It even came up as an excuse in the Liz truss thread which made me laugh…..
It’s like an eternal “get out of jail “ card excuse
Exactly so. The moaning feels like a broken gramophone record. The fact is, rightly or wrongly, we've left the EU. Now we have to make the most of it. We won't know for a generation whether or not we did the right thing.
The problem is that we can't get on with it while our politicians can't be honest about the impact of Brexit. They're too scared of losing support if they address the problems it's causing, so they're still trying to pretend it was a good idea.
We need politicians who will have an honest look at all the problems that Brexit has caused so we can start to mitigate them. Instead of being stuck in some kind of limbo.
Although, in fairness to the Tories, they don't care about any of the problems it's causing.
What problems do you think Brexit specifically, is causing?
I can’t see anything specific.
This is clearly a ridiculous thing to say. You're well aware of the logistical and economic problems it's causing.
I can see the same problems in other countries, what is it specifically? If hadn’t left the EU how would that make today meaningfully different?
Other EU countries have delays, extra red tape, extra costs importing and exporting goods, parts, supplies to the EU?
Other EU countries have had shellfish businesses close because their produce is no longer cleaned within the EU which is their main market?
These are extremely bold claims. I assume you have some rock solid info and statistics to back this up?
I think you are saying different admin processes for import and export, how much of an impact has that been to us in our day to day? I know at the start of the transition small business owners were struggling due to understanding mainly and some who were barely afloat not being able or willing to make changes. Other than that what is impacting us today?
Maybe you could explain how these seemingly unrelated questions can some how prove your point that Brexit has caused no problems to the UK?
I'm not saying Brexit hasn't caused a problem, you said it has and I'm asking you for specific examples.
You mentioned trade and here we are, any examples?
You said.
"What problems do you think Brexit specifically, is causing?
I can’t see anything specific."
I answered, and you started asking questions that don't appear to be related to the point. If you can explain why you're asking the questions, it would help in answering them.
You said "This is clearly a ridiculous thing to say. You're well aware of the logistical and economic problems it's causing".
I said "I can see the same problems in other countries, what is it specifically? If we hadn’t left the EU how would that make today meaningfully different?"
Can you respond to that?"Other EU countries have delays, extra red tape, extra costs importing and exporting goods, parts, supplies to the EU? Other EU countries have had shellfish businesses close because their produce is no longer cleaned within the EU which is their main market? | |||
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" It has always struck me that it is the Remoaners who seem remarkably insular and parochial in their world view. Unable to see any issue as separate from their fixation with Brexit. Didn't you start a whole other thread essentially blaming Germany's economic woes on the EU? Also lol at "remoaners". You won, get over it. They bring it up in perpetuity like it’s some sort of safety blanket….
It even came up as an excuse in the Liz truss thread which made me laugh…..
It’s like an eternal “get out of jail “ card excuse
Exactly so. The moaning feels like a broken gramophone record. The fact is, rightly or wrongly, we've left the EU. Now we have to make the most of it. We won't know for a generation whether or not we did the right thing.
The problem is that we can't get on with it while our politicians can't be honest about the impact of Brexit. They're too scared of losing support if they address the problems it's causing, so they're still trying to pretend it was a good idea.
We need politicians who will have an honest look at all the problems that Brexit has caused so we can start to mitigate them. Instead of being stuck in some kind of limbo.
Although, in fairness to the Tories, they don't care about any of the problems it's causing.
What problems do you think Brexit specifically, is causing?
I can’t see anything specific.
This is clearly a ridiculous thing to say. You're well aware of the logistical and economic problems it's causing.
I can see the same problems in other countries, what is it specifically? If hadn’t left the EU how would that make today meaningfully different?
Other EU countries have delays, extra red tape, extra costs importing and exporting goods, parts, supplies to the EU?
Other EU countries have had shellfish businesses close because their produce is no longer cleaned within the EU which is their main market?
These are extremely bold claims. I assume you have some rock solid info and statistics to back this up?
I think you are saying different admin processes for import and export, how much of an impact has that been to us in our day to day? I know at the start of the transition small business owners were struggling due to understanding mainly and some who were barely afloat not being able or willing to make changes. Other than that what is impacting us today?
Maybe you could explain how these seemingly unrelated questions can some how prove your point that Brexit has caused no problems to the UK?
I'm not saying Brexit hasn't caused a problem, you said it has and I'm asking you for specific examples.
You mentioned trade and here we are, any examples?
You said.
"What problems do you think Brexit specifically, is causing?
I can’t see anything specific."
I answered, and you started asking questions that don't appear to be related to the point. If you can explain why you're asking the questions, it would help in answering them.
FGS Johnny don’t make them show you their workings… it will just take you down the rabbit hole of shittery!!! "
Although I'm happy to discuss, but sometimes the questions don't seem related, just trying to pivot the conversation to win some kind of point that's semi related to something that's semi related to one of the impacts of Brexit. | |||
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". No, but we have left the EU so being in favour or not in favour, really doesn't come into it now. I'm not really seeing a lot of brexit impacts being given as examples, other than the FOM being restricted to 90 days." For some people, admittedly a minority, that's a massive, massive issue. And a corollary to that issue we will no longer enjoy the quality of international study and research promoted by e.g. EU study grants for basically the same reason, abolition of freedom of movement. But as someone who worked as a purchasing manager for a manufacturing firm that went into administration following a German sanitaryware supply chain suffering severe delays as a direct consequence of Brexit, I can think of a few other examples. | |||
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". No, but we have left the EU so being in favour or not in favour, really doesn't come into it now. I'm not really seeing a lot of brexit impacts being given as examples, other than the FOM being restricted to 90 days. For some people, admittedly a minority, that's a massive, massive issue. And a corollary to that issue we will no longer enjoy the quality of international study and research promoted by e.g. EU study grants for basically the same reason, abolition of freedom of movement. But as someone who worked as a purchasing manager for a manufacturing firm that went into administration following a German sanitaryware supply chain suffering severe delays as a direct consequence of Brexit, I can think of a few other examples." As purchasing manager you should've foreseen this and been proactive. Remind me never to hire you | |||
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". No, but we have left the EU so being in favour or not in favour, really doesn't come into it now. I'm not really seeing a lot of brexit impacts being given as examples, other than the FOM being restricted to 90 days. For some people, admittedly a minority, that's a massive, massive issue. And a corollary to that issue we will no longer enjoy the quality of international study and research promoted by e.g. EU study grants for basically the same reason, abolition of freedom of movement. But as someone who worked as a purchasing manager for a manufacturing firm that went into administration following a German sanitaryware supply chain suffering severe delays as a direct consequence of Brexit, I can think of a few other examples." You probably want to look at the Turing grants before commenting. I'd be interested to read tbe story of your manufacturing firm if you have it to hand. | |||
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". No, but we have left the EU so being in favour or not in favour, really doesn't come into it now. I'm not really seeing a lot of brexit impacts being given as examples, other than the FOM being restricted to 90 days. For some people, admittedly a minority, that's a massive, massive issue. And a corollary to that issue we will no longer enjoy the quality of international study and research promoted by e.g. EU study grants for basically the same reason, abolition of freedom of movement. But as someone who worked as a purchasing manager for a manufacturing firm that went into administration following a German sanitaryware supply chain suffering severe delays as a direct consequence of Brexit, I can think of a few other examples. As purchasing manager you should've foreseen this and been proactive. Remind me never to hire you "It does seem odd. At arcadia we had a brexit steering committee for 3 years that prepared us. Then at clipper logistics we were prepared for brexit and had no effect and this was a logistics company. It all seems like a lack of care and preparation much like that Daniel lambert wines on twitter when he claimed he couldn't use chief tk export his goods and he'd never bothered getting the software until the month before a d then didn't read the manual until the day of brexit | |||
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". No, but we have left the EU so being in favour or not in favour, really doesn't come into it now. I'm not really seeing a lot of brexit impacts being given as examples, other than the FOM being restricted to 90 days. For some people, admittedly a minority, that's a massive, massive issue. And a corollary to that issue we will no longer enjoy the quality of international study and research promoted by e.g. EU study grants for basically the same reason, abolition of freedom of movement. But as someone who worked as a purchasing manager for a manufacturing firm that went into administration following a German sanitaryware supply chain suffering severe delays as a direct consequence of Brexit, I can think of a few other examples. As purchasing manager you should've foreseen this and been proactive. Remind me never to hire you "Honestly I still have PTSD dreams about collapsing under stacks of denied CDCPs and mile-long customs forms. It's all well and good talking about it in the abstract but until you've heard from a distributor that 400 basins and toilet pans will be delayed by nine to twelve weeks, meaning your client's late delivery penalties will push a profitable project into huge loss, it's hard to grasp just how angry some people get about the whole thing. | |||
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". No, but we have left the EU so being in favour or not in favour, really doesn't come into it now. I'm not really seeing a lot of brexit impacts being given as examples, other than the FOM being restricted to 90 days. For some people, admittedly a minority, that's a massive, massive issue. And a corollary to that issue we will no longer enjoy the quality of international study and research promoted by e.g. EU study grants for basically the same reason, abolition of freedom of movement. But as someone who worked as a purchasing manager for a manufacturing firm that went into administration following a German sanitaryware supply chain suffering severe delays as a direct consequence of Brexit, I can think of a few other examples. As purchasing manager you should've foreseen this and been proactive. Remind me never to hire you
It does seem odd.
At arcadia we had a brexit steering committee for 3 years that prepared us.
Then at clipper logistics we were prepared for brexit and had no effect and this was a logistics company.
It all seems like a lack of care and preparation much like that Daniel lambert wines on twitter when he claimed he couldn't use chief tk export his goods and he'd never bothered getting the software until the month before a d then didn't read the manual until the day of brexit "I mean, good for you I guess. I've heard lots of people say that firms who suffered from Brexit did so because they stupidly failed to prepare, and what I say to those people is that that's simultaneously facile, cruel and untrue. | |||
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". No, but we have left the EU so being in favour or not in favour, really doesn't come into it now. I'm not really seeing a lot of brexit impacts being given as examples, other than the FOM being restricted to 90 days. For some people, admittedly a minority, that's a massive, massive issue. And a corollary to that issue we will no longer enjoy the quality of international study and research promoted by e.g. EU study grants for basically the same reason, abolition of freedom of movement. But as someone who worked as a purchasing manager for a manufacturing firm that went into administration following a German sanitaryware supply chain suffering severe delays as a direct consequence of Brexit, I can think of a few other examples. You probably want to look at the Turing grants before commenting. I'd be interested to read tbe story of your manufacturing firm if you have it to hand." Turing grants don’t cover nearly as much as ERASMUS those… also Erasmus covered both students and faculty at higher education… Turing only covers students Turing also doesn’t always cover all tuition fees… | |||
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". No, but we have left the EU so being in favour or not in favour, really doesn't come into it now. I'm not really seeing a lot of brexit impacts being given as examples, other than the FOM being restricted to 90 days. For some people, admittedly a minority, that's a massive, massive issue. And a corollary to that issue we will no longer enjoy the quality of international study and research promoted by e.g. EU study grants for basically the same reason, abolition of freedom of movement. But as someone who worked as a purchasing manager for a manufacturing firm that went into administration following a German sanitaryware supply chain suffering severe delays as a direct consequence of Brexit, I can think of a few other examples. As purchasing manager you should've foreseen this and been proactive. Remind me never to hire you
It does seem odd.
At arcadia we had a brexit steering committee for 3 years that prepared us.
Then at clipper logistics we were prepared for brexit and had no effect and this was a logistics company.
It all seems like a lack of care and preparation much like that Daniel lambert wines on twitter when he claimed he couldn't use chief tk export his goods and he'd never bothered getting the software until the month before a d then didn't read the manual until the day of brexit "Imagine a situation where businesses didn't have to waste time and money figuring out how to mitigate against the risks and issues generated by leaving the EU. | |||
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". Imagine a situation where businesses didn't have to waste time and money figuring out how to mitigate against the risks and issues generated by leaving the EU." Weird, isn't it, how easily the tone shifts from "Brexit hasn't done any harm" to "if you didn't recover from Brexit it's your own stupid fault". | |||
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". No, but we have left the EU so being in favour or not in favour, really doesn't come into it now. I'm not really seeing a lot of brexit impacts being given as examples, other than the FOM being restricted to 90 days. For some people, admittedly a minority, that's a massive, massive issue. And a corollary to that issue we will no longer enjoy the quality of international study and research promoted by e.g. EU study grants for basically the same reason, abolition of freedom of movement. But as someone who worked as a purchasing manager for a manufacturing firm that went into administration following a German sanitaryware supply chain suffering severe delays as a direct consequence of Brexit, I can think of a few other examples. As purchasing manager you should've foreseen this and been proactive. Remind me never to hire you
It does seem odd.
At arcadia we had a brexit steering committee for 3 years that prepared us.
Then at clipper logistics we were prepared for brexit and had no effect and this was a logistics company.
It all seems like a lack of care and preparation much like that Daniel lambert wines on twitter when he claimed he couldn't use chief tk export his goods and he'd never bothered getting the software until the month before a d then didn't read the manual until the day of brexit
Imagine a situation where businesses didn't have to waste time and money figuring out how to mitigate against the risks and issues generated by leaving the EU."But they did have to mitigate and so they should have been prepared. I don't see the problem | |||
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". But they did have to mitigate and so they should have been prepared. I don't see the problem " That's not the point. The point is a deal that was sold to us as the easiest deal in the history of deals or whatever ended up requiring months and years of speculative preparation and cost businesses huge amounts of time, money, and in some cases their existence. None of that would have happened if we'd stayed in. | |||
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". No, but we have left the EU so being in favour or not in favour, really doesn't come into it now. I'm not really seeing a lot of brexit impacts being given as examples, other than the FOM being restricted to 90 days. For some people, admittedly a minority, that's a massive, massive issue. And a corollary to that issue we will no longer enjoy the quality of international study and research promoted by e.g. EU study grants for basically the same reason, abolition of freedom of movement. But as someone who worked as a purchasing manager for a manufacturing firm that went into administration following a German sanitaryware supply chain suffering severe delays as a direct consequence of Brexit, I can think of a few other examples. As purchasing manager you should've foreseen this and been proactive. Remind me never to hire you
It does seem odd.
At arcadia we had a brexit steering committee for 3 years that prepared us.
Then at clipper logistics we were prepared for brexit and had no effect and this was a logistics company.
It all seems like a lack of care and preparation much like that Daniel lambert wines on twitter when he claimed he couldn't use chief tk export his goods and he'd never bothered getting the software until the month before a d then didn't read the manual until the day of brexit
Imagine a situation where businesses didn't have to waste time and money figuring out how to mitigate against the risks and issues generated by leaving the EU.
But they did have to mitigate and so they should have been prepared. I don't see the problem "The problem is people are suggesting Brexit is a good idea with no problems. Then talking about all the time and money it took to deal with the problems it caused in another. (Shrug emoji) | |||
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" It has always struck me that it is the Remoaners who seem remarkably insular and parochial in their world view. Unable to see any issue as separate from their fixation with Brexit. Didn't you start a whole other thread essentially blaming Germany's economic woes on the EU? Also lol at "remoaners". You won, get over it. They bring it up in perpetuity like it’s some sort of safety blanket….
It even came up as an excuse in the Liz truss thread which made me laugh…..
It’s like an eternal “get out of jail “ card excuse
Exactly so. The moaning feels like a broken gramophone record. The fact is, rightly or wrongly, we've left the EU. Now we have to make the most of it. We won't know for a generation whether or not we did the right thing.
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". But they did have to mitigate and so they should have been prepared. I don't see the problem That's not the point. The point is a deal that was sold to us as the easiest deal in the history of deals or whatever ended up requiring months and years of speculative preparation and cost businesses huge amounts of time, money, and in some cases their existence. None of that would have happened if we'd stayed in." It would not have been a goal if the ball hadn't crossed the line... | |||
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". No, but we have left the EU so being in favour or not in favour, really doesn't come into it now. I'm not really seeing a lot of brexit impacts being given as examples, other than the FOM being restricted to 90 days. For some people, admittedly a minority, that's a massive, massive issue. And a corollary to that issue we will no longer enjoy the quality of international study and research promoted by e.g. EU study grants for basically the same reason, abolition of freedom of movement. But as someone who worked as a purchasing manager for a manufacturing firm that went into administration following a German sanitaryware supply chain suffering severe delays as a direct consequence of Brexit, I can think of a few other examples. As purchasing manager you should've foreseen this and been proactive. Remind me never to hire you
It does seem odd.
At arcadia we had a brexit steering committee for 3 years that prepared us.
Then at clipper logistics we were prepared for brexit and had no effect and this was a logistics company.
It all seems like a lack of care and preparation much like that Daniel lambert wines on twitter when he claimed he couldn't use chief tk export his goods and he'd never bothered getting the software until the month before a d then didn't read the manual until the day of brexit
Imagine a situation where businesses didn't have to waste time and money figuring out how to mitigate against the risks and issues generated by leaving the EU."all we are saying is give leave a chance. | |||
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". No, but we have left the EU so being in favour or not in favour, really doesn't come into it now. I'm not really seeing a lot of brexit impacts being given as examples, other than the FOM being restricted to 90 days. For some people, admittedly a minority, that's a massive, massive issue. And a corollary to that issue we will no longer enjoy the quality of international study and research promoted by e.g. EU study grants for basically the same reason, abolition of freedom of movement. But as someone who worked as a purchasing manager for a manufacturing firm that went into administration following a German sanitaryware supply chain suffering severe delays as a direct consequence of Brexit, I can think of a few other examples. As purchasing manager you should've foreseen this and been proactive. Remind me never to hire you
It does seem odd.
At arcadia we had a brexit steering committee for 3 years that prepared us.
Then at clipper logistics we were prepared for brexit and had no effect and this was a logistics company.
It all seems like a lack of care and preparation much like that Daniel lambert wines on twitter when he claimed he couldn't use chief tk export his goods and he'd never bothered getting the software until the month before a d then didn't read the manual until the day of brexit
Imagine a situation where businesses didn't have to waste time and money figuring out how to mitigate against the risks and issues generated by leaving the EU.
all we are saying is give leave a chance.
"Surely this only makes sense if there is some evidence that there will be some positives. Thus far, the grand total of the evidence, including having a ministry of Brexit Opportunities, if you add it all together you have a grand total of fuck all. Would you give a thief a chance to take all your money and leave you with nothing? | |||
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". No, but we have left the EU so being in favour or not in favour, really doesn't come into it now. I'm not really seeing a lot of brexit impacts being given as examples, other than the FOM being restricted to 90 days. For some people, admittedly a minority, that's a massive, massive issue. And a corollary to that issue we will no longer enjoy the quality of international study and research promoted by e.g. EU study grants for basically the same reason, abolition of freedom of movement. But as someone who worked as a purchasing manager for a manufacturing firm that went into administration following a German sanitaryware supply chain suffering severe delays as a direct consequence of Brexit, I can think of a few other examples. As purchasing manager you should've foreseen this and been proactive. Remind me never to hire you
It does seem odd.
At arcadia we had a brexit steering committee for 3 years that prepared us.
Then at clipper logistics we were prepared for brexit and had no effect and this was a logistics company.
It all seems like a lack of care and preparation much like that Daniel lambert wines on twitter when he claimed he couldn't use chief tk export his goods and he'd never bothered getting the software until the month before a d then didn't read the manual until the day of brexit
Imagine a situation where businesses didn't have to waste time and money figuring out how to mitigate against the risks and issues generated by leaving the EU.
all we are saying is give leave a chance.
Surely this only makes sense if there is some evidence that there will be some positives. Thus far, the grand total of the evidence, including having a ministry of Brexit Opportunities, if you add it all together you have a grand total of fuck all.
Would you give a thief a chance to take all your money and leave you with nothing? "I did wonder if you would link your imagine post to my all we are saying reply.. | |||
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". No, but we have left the EU so being in favour or not in favour, really doesn't come into it now. I'm not really seeing a lot of brexit impacts being given as examples, other than the FOM being restricted to 90 days. For some people, admittedly a minority, that's a massive, massive issue. And a corollary to that issue we will no longer enjoy the quality of international study and research promoted by e.g. EU study grants for basically the same reason, abolition of freedom of movement. But as someone who worked as a purchasing manager for a manufacturing firm that went into administration following a German sanitaryware supply chain suffering severe delays as a direct consequence of Brexit, I can think of a few other examples. As purchasing manager you should've foreseen this and been proactive. Remind me never to hire you
It does seem odd.
At arcadia we had a brexit steering committee for 3 years that prepared us.
Then at clipper logistics we were prepared for brexit and had no effect and this was a logistics company.
It all seems like a lack of care and preparation much like that Daniel lambert wines on twitter when he claimed he couldn't use chief tk export his goods and he'd never bothered getting the software until the month before a d then didn't read the manual until the day of brexit
Imagine a situation where businesses didn't have to waste time and money figuring out how to mitigate against the risks and issues generated by leaving the EU.
all we are saying is give leave a chance.
Surely this only makes sense if there is some evidence that there will be some positives. Thus far, the grand total of the evidence, including having a ministry of Brexit Opportunities, if you add it all together you have a grand total of fuck all.
Would you give a thief a chance to take all your money and leave you with nothing?
I did wonder if you would link your imagine post to my all we are saying reply.. "Link my imagine post? | |||
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"That’s an ever increasing number of data points you’re progressively revealing about yourself there Morley! Maybe you simply don’t care in which case kudos to you!" Nope. I dont give a shit. I simply don't mention a current employer. | |||
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". No, but we have left the EU so being in favour or not in favour, really doesn't come into it now. I'm not really seeing a lot of brexit impacts being given as examples, other than the FOM being restricted to 90 days. For some people, admittedly a minority, that's a massive, massive issue. And a corollary to that issue we will no longer enjoy the quality of international study and research promoted by e.g. EU study grants for basically the same reason, abolition of freedom of movement. But as someone who worked as a purchasing manager for a manufacturing firm that went into administration following a German sanitaryware supply chain suffering severe delays as a direct consequence of Brexit, I can think of a few other examples. As purchasing manager you should've foreseen this and been proactive. Remind me never to hire you
It does seem odd.
At arcadia we had a brexit steering committee for 3 years that prepared us.
Then at clipper logistics we were prepared for brexit and had no effect and this was a logistics company.
It all seems like a lack of care and preparation much like that Daniel lambert wines on twitter when he claimed he couldn't use chief tk export his goods and he'd never bothered getting the software until the month before a d then didn't read the manual until the day of brexit
I mean, good for you I guess.
I've heard lots of people say that firms who suffered from Brexit did so because they stupidly failed to prepare, and what I say to those people is that that's simultaneously facile, cruel and untrue."Daniel lambert admitted it online. | |||
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". No, but we have left the EU so being in favour or not in favour, really doesn't come into it now. I'm not really seeing a lot of brexit impacts being given as examples, other than the FOM being restricted to 90 days. For some people, admittedly a minority, that's a massive, massive issue. And a corollary to that issue we will no longer enjoy the quality of international study and research promoted by e.g. EU study grants for basically the same reason, abolition of freedom of movement. But as someone who worked as a purchasing manager for a manufacturing firm that went into administration following a German sanitaryware supply chain suffering severe delays as a direct consequence of Brexit, I can think of a few other examples. You probably want to look at the Turing grants before commenting. I'd be interested to read tbe story of your manufacturing firm if you have it to hand. Turing grants don’t cover nearly as much as ERASMUS those… also Erasmus covered both students and faculty at higher education… Turing only covers students Turing also doesn’t always cover all tuition fees…" They do. Each case is reviewed independently. There is a base. Erasmus cost us top much as it allowed foreign students tot ake advantage of our student loans facilities. | |||
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". No, but we have left the EU so being in favour or not in favour, really doesn't come into it now. I'm not really seeing a lot of brexit impacts being given as examples, other than the FOM being restricted to 90 days. For some people, admittedly a minority, that's a massive, massive issue. And a corollary to that issue we will no longer enjoy the quality of international study and research promoted by e.g. EU study grants for basically the same reason, abolition of freedom of movement. But as someone who worked as a purchasing manager for a manufacturing firm that went into administration following a German sanitaryware supply chain suffering severe delays as a direct consequence of Brexit, I can think of a few other examples. As purchasing manager you should've foreseen this and been proactive. Remind me never to hire you
It does seem odd.
At arcadia we had a brexit steering committee for 3 years that prepared us.
Then at clipper logistics we were prepared for brexit and had no effect and this was a logistics company.
It all seems like a lack of care and preparation much like that Daniel lambert wines on twitter when he claimed he couldn't use chief tk export his goods and he'd never bothered getting the software until the month before a d then didn't read the manual until the day of brexit
Imagine a situation where businesses didn't have to waste time and money figuring out how to mitigate against the risks and issues generated by leaving the EU."They didn't have to waste them or money. Chief was available to all, chief was in operation for 40 years. Ironically when Daniel complained online on twitter he got the answers he needed in minutes | |||
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". No, but we have left the EU so being in favour or not in favour, really doesn't come into it now. I'm not really seeing a lot of brexit impacts being given as examples, other than the FOM being restricted to 90 days. For some people, admittedly a minority, that's a massive, massive issue. And a corollary to that issue we will no longer enjoy the quality of international study and research promoted by e.g. EU study grants for basically the same reason, abolition of freedom of movement. But as someone who worked as a purchasing manager for a manufacturing firm that went into administration following a German sanitaryware supply chain suffering severe delays as a direct consequence of Brexit, I can think of a few other examples. As purchasing manager you should've foreseen this and been proactive. Remind me never to hire you
It does seem odd.
At arcadia we had a brexit steering committee for 3 years that prepared us.
Then at clipper logistics we were prepared for brexit and had no effect and this was a logistics company.
It all seems like a lack of care and preparation much like that Daniel lambert wines on twitter when he claimed he couldn't use chief tk export his goods and he'd never bothered getting the software until the month before a d then didn't read the manual until the day of brexit
Imagine a situation where businesses didn't have to waste time and money figuring out how to mitigate against the risks and issues generated by leaving the EU.
all we are saying is give leave a chance.
Surely this only makes sense if there is some evidence that there will be some positives. Thus far, the grand total of the evidence, including having a ministry of Brexit Opportunities, if you add it all together you have a grand total of fuck all.
Would you give a thief a chance to take all your money and leave you with nothing?
I did wonder if you would link your imagine post to my all we are saying reply..
Link my imagine post?"If you read your post that starts with Imagine a situation, put it to the music of imagine (John Lennon to save any further confusion), you might then link it to my imagine post. But you know what, lesson learnt, this far to fucking hard.... | |||
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". Ironically when Daniel complained online on twitter he got the answers he needed in minutes " Wait, you're saying all we needed to do was ask on Twitter and supply chain collapse wouldn't have seen the business go bust? Dang, really wish I'd had a Twitter account. | |||
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". But they did have to mitigate and so they should have been prepared. I don't see the problem That's not the point. The point is a deal that was sold to us as the easiest deal in the history of deals or whatever ended up requiring months and years of speculative preparation and cost businesses huge amounts of time, money, and in some cases their existence. None of that would have happened if we'd stayed in. It would not have been a goal if the ball hadn't crossed the line..." Nah, if you're gonna use that analogy, it's "it wouldn't have been an own goal if there hadn't been a football match". Perspective, perspective. | |||
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". Ironically when Daniel complained online on twitter he got the answers he needed in minutes Wait, you're saying all we needed to do was ask on Twitter and supply chain collapse wouldn't have seen the business go bust? Dang, really wish I'd had a Twitter account." No all he had to do was in the 2 years before hand make some effort to get to knkw the software and get it installed. 700+ days and he tried to wing it on the first say of brexit | |||
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". Ironically when Daniel complained online on twitter he got the answers he needed in minutes Wait, you're saying all we needed to do was ask on Twitter and supply chain collapse wouldn't have seen the business go bust? Dang, really wish I'd had a Twitter account. No all he had to do was in the 2 years before hand make some effort to get to knkw the software and get it installed. 700+ days and he tried to wing it on the first say of brexit" I was referring to my business. Unfortunately our issue couldn't be resolved through IT literacy. | |||
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". Ironically when Daniel complained online on twitter he got the answers he needed in minutes Wait, you're saying all we needed to do was ask on Twitter and supply chain collapse wouldn't have seen the business go bust? Dang, really wish I'd had a Twitter account. No all he had to do was in the 2 years before hand make some effort to get to knkw the software and get it installed. 700+ days and he tried to wing it on the first say of brexit I was referring to my business. Unfortunately our issue couldn't be resolved through IT literacy." So 4.5 years to prepare and you failed? | |||
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". But they did have to mitigate and so they should have been prepared. I don't see the problem That's not the point. The point is a deal that was sold to us as the easiest deal in the history of deals or whatever ended up requiring months and years of speculative preparation and cost businesses huge amounts of time, money, and in some cases their existence. None of that would have happened if we'd stayed in. It would not have been a goal if the ball hadn't crossed the line... Nah, if you're gonna use that analogy, it's "it wouldn't have been an own goal if there hadn't been a football match". Perspective, perspective." The own goal in your analogy is not correct because it was what the population wanted, so could never have been an own goal. As for a deal being sold to you or us, that never happened, it was a government trying to workout what to do with a result they didn't expect and to be fair, dealing with those that were trying to screw it up. It is over, spilt milk and all that! I voted remain, it didn't go my way and i moved on! Try it you might get some sleep at night | |||
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". Ironically when Daniel complained online on twitter he got the answers he needed in minutes Wait, you're saying all we needed to do was ask on Twitter and supply chain collapse wouldn't have seen the business go bust? Dang, really wish I'd had a Twitter account. No all he had to do was in the 2 years before hand make some effort to get to knkw the software and get it installed. 700+ days and he tried to wing it on the first say of brexit I was referring to my business. Unfortunately our issue couldn't be resolved through IT literacy." I'm not sure twitter could've helped your 'miles long paperwork or '3 month shipping delays'. Why? B3cause they clearly didn't exist, unless your company was the only company experiencing these. Before you try next time, you should be more honest with your issues, rather than trying to exaggerate to make the point. | |||
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". Ironically when Daniel complained online on twitter he got the answers he needed in minutes Wait, you're saying all we needed to do was ask on Twitter and supply chain collapse wouldn't have seen the business go bust? Dang, really wish I'd had a Twitter account. No all he had to do was in the 2 years before hand make some effort to get to knkw the software and get it installed. 700+ days and he tried to wing it on the first say of brexit I was referring to my business. Unfortunately our issue couldn't be resolved through IT literacy. So 4.5 years to prepare and you failed?" If only you'd been there to somehow source a nonexistent alternative supply chain, negotiate all the CDCPs with the client and get contracts in place with almost a million quid in reserved stock on the proviso we may not buy it, I'm sure we'd still be doing a roaring trade. I assume you're CIPS-accredited? | |||
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". Ironically when Daniel complained online on twitter he got the answers he needed in minutes Wait, you're saying all we needed to do was ask on Twitter and supply chain collapse wouldn't have seen the business go bust? Dang, really wish I'd had a Twitter account. No all he had to do was in the 2 years before hand make some effort to get to knkw the software and get it installed. 700+ days and he tried to wing it on the first say of brexit I was referring to my business. Unfortunately our issue couldn't be resolved through IT literacy. I'm not sure twitter could've helped your 'miles long paperwork or '3 month shipping delays'. Why? B3cause they clearly didn't exist, unless your company was the only company experiencing these. Before you try next time, you should be more honest with your issues, rather than trying to exaggerate to make the point. " Again worming for a logistics company working with Asda, Morrisons, zara, moss bros, asks, British tobacco, and many others. I'm not sure how a well run business wasn't prepared and had 3 month delays. It's truly shocking they were that incompetent. | |||
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". Ironically when Daniel complained online on twitter he got the answers he needed in minutes Wait, you're saying all we needed to do was ask on Twitter and supply chain collapse wouldn't have seen the business go bust? Dang, really wish I'd had a Twitter account. No all he had to do was in the 2 years before hand make some effort to get to knkw the software and get it installed. 700+ days and he tried to wing it on the first say of brexit I was referring to my business. Unfortunately our issue couldn't be resolved through IT literacy. So 4.5 years to prepare and you failed? If only you'd been there to somehow source a nonexistent alternative supply chain, negotiate all the CDCPs with the client and get contracts in place with almost a million quid in reserved stock on the proviso we may not buy it, I'm sure we'd still be doing a roaring trade. I assume you're CIPS-accredited?" We did do that ???????? When I went to my interview I asked about brexit and I was told " it won't affect us, we're more than prepared" by the managers of the logistics company | |||
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". Ironically when Daniel complained online on twitter he got the answers he needed in minutes Wait, you're saying all we needed to do was ask on Twitter and supply chain collapse wouldn't have seen the business go bust? Dang, really wish I'd had a Twitter account. No all he had to do was in the 2 years before hand make some effort to get to knkw the software and get it installed. 700+ days and he tried to wing it on the first say of brexit I was referring to my business. Unfortunately our issue couldn't be resolved through IT literacy. I'm not sure twitter could've helped your 'miles long paperwork or '3 month shipping delays'. Why? B3cause they clearly didn't exist, unless your company was the only company experiencing these. Before you try next time, you should be more honest with your issues, rather than trying to exaggerate to make the point. " And accusing people of lying about their experiences isn't a particularly pleasant way of making your point either, but hey, you are who you are. | |||
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". Ironically when Daniel complained online on twitter he got the answers he needed in minutes Wait, you're saying all we needed to do was ask on Twitter and supply chain collapse wouldn't have seen the business go bust? Dang, really wish I'd had a Twitter account. No all he had to do was in the 2 years before hand make some effort to get to knkw the software and get it installed. 700+ days and he tried to wing it on the first say of brexit I was referring to my business. Unfortunately our issue couldn't be resolved through IT literacy. I'm not sure twitter could've helped your 'miles long paperwork or '3 month shipping delays'. Why? B3cause they clearly didn't exist, unless your company was the only company experiencing these. Before you try next time, you should be more honest with your issues, rather than trying to exaggerate to make the point. And accusing people of lying about their experiences isn't a particularly pleasant way of making your point either, but hey, you are who you are." I am who I am. I'm cool with that. I will say it again, UNLESS YOU WERE THE ONLY COMPANY EXPERIENCING THAT. Can you prove it? Doubt it. I'll stick with my original assertion | |||
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". Ironically when Daniel complained online on twitter he got the answers he needed in minutes Wait, you're saying all we needed to do was ask on Twitter and supply chain collapse wouldn't have seen the business go bust? Dang, really wish I'd had a Twitter account. No all he had to do was in the 2 years before hand make some effort to get to knkw the software and get it installed. 700+ days and he tried to wing it on the first say of brexit I was referring to my business. Unfortunately our issue couldn't be resolved through IT literacy. I'm not sure twitter could've helped your 'miles long paperwork or '3 month shipping delays'. Why? B3cause they clearly didn't exist, unless your company was the only company experiencing these. Before you try next time, you should be more honest with your issues, rather than trying to exaggerate to make the point. And accusing people of lying about their experiences isn't a particularly pleasant way of making your point either, but hey, you are who you are. I am who I am. I'm cool with that. I will say it again, UNLESS YOU WERE THE ONLY COMPANY EXPERIENCING THAT. Can you prove it? Doubt it. I'll stick with my original assertion "Oh, here we are, "prove it" again. Nah, this may surprise you but I'm not about to take the time to prove what my company experienced or other companies experienced similar, just to have you cry bullshit because you're totally unwilling to consider anything that challenges your outlook. Bored with you and your terrible faith. Have a wonderful new year. | |||
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". Ironically when Daniel complained online on twitter he got the answers he needed in minutes Wait, you're saying all we needed to do was ask on Twitter and supply chain collapse wouldn't have seen the business go bust? Dang, really wish I'd had a Twitter account. No all he had to do was in the 2 years before hand make some effort to get to knkw the software and get it installed. 700+ days and he tried to wing it on the first say of brexit I was referring to my business. Unfortunately our issue couldn't be resolved through IT literacy. So 4.5 years to prepare and you failed? If only you'd been there to somehow source a nonexistent alternative supply chain, negotiate all the CDCPs with the client and get contracts in place with almost a million quid in reserved stock on the proviso we may not buy it, I'm sure we'd still be doing a roaring trade. I assume you're CIPS-accredited? We did do that ???????? When I went to my interview I asked about brexit and I was told " it won't affect us, we're more than prepared" by the managers of the logistics company" I'm really glad to hear the company you work for was in the position to avoid fallout from Brexit. I, however, worked for a different company. | |||
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". Ironically when Daniel complained online on twitter he got the answers he needed in minutes Wait, you're saying all we needed to do was ask on Twitter and supply chain collapse wouldn't have seen the business go bust? Dang, really wish I'd had a Twitter account. No all he had to do was in the 2 years before hand make some effort to get to knkw the software and get it installed. 700+ days and he tried to wing it on the first say of brexit I was referring to my business. Unfortunately our issue couldn't be resolved through IT literacy. I'm not sure twitter could've helped your 'miles long paperwork or '3 month shipping delays'. Why? B3cause they clearly didn't exist, unless your company was the only company experiencing these. Before you try next time, you should be more honest with your issues, rather than trying to exaggerate to make the point. And accusing people of lying about their experiences isn't a particularly pleasant way of making your point either, but hey, you are who you are. I am who I am. I'm cool with that. I will say it again, UNLESS YOU WERE THE ONLY COMPANY EXPERIENCING THAT. Can you prove it? Doubt it. I'll stick with my original assertion
Oh, here we are, "prove it" again.
Nah, this may surprise you but I'm not about to take the time to prove what my company experienced or other companies experienced similar, just to have you cry bullshit because you're totally unwilling to consider anything that challenges your outlook. Bored with you and your terrible faith. Have a wonderful new year."It was a rhetorical question hence I provided the answer
I'd have some more faith if you didn't behave the way you do.
BTW, just a point of note, you've made a few references today to 'not being pleasant', you should have a look in the mirror bringing Morleys parents into a conversation.
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". Ironically when Daniel complained online on twitter he got the answers he needed in minutes Wait, you're saying all we needed to do was ask on Twitter and supply chain collapse wouldn't have seen the business go bust? Dang, really wish I'd had a Twitter account. No all he had to do was in the 2 years before hand make some effort to get to knkw the software and get it installed. 700+ days and he tried to wing it on the first say of brexit I was referring to my business. Unfortunately our issue couldn't be resolved through IT literacy. I'm not sure twitter could've helped your 'miles long paperwork or '3 month shipping delays'. Why? B3cause they clearly didn't exist, unless your company was the only company experiencing these. Before you try next time, you should be more honest with your issues, rather than trying to exaggerate to make the point. Again worming for a logistics company working with Asda, Morrisons, zara, moss bros, asks, British tobacco, and many others. I'm not sure how a well run business wasn't prepared and had 3 month delays. It's truly shocking they were that incompetent." Imagine if these businesses didn't have to waste time, effort and money preparing for these problems. | |||
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". Again worming for a logistics company working with Asda, Morrisons, zara, moss bros, asks, British tobacco, and many others. I'm not sure how a well run business wasn't prepared and had 3 month delays. It's truly shocking they were that incompetent." Once more I'm sure if we'd had you on board to tell us all what we were doing wrong, we wouldn't have had a single problem. It's definitely our collective incompetence that was the main problem, but I do remember at the time a couple of the directors mentioning they wished we'd had the foresight to hire you to hold our hands through what was in fact a simple fix. Ah well, never mind. | |||
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". Ironically when Daniel complained online on twitter he got the answers he needed in minutes Wait, you're saying all we needed to do was ask on Twitter and supply chain collapse wouldn't have seen the business go bust? Dang, really wish I'd had a Twitter account. No all he had to do was in the 2 years before hand make some effort to get to knkw the software and get it installed. 700+ days and he tried to wing it on the first say of brexit I was referring to my business. Unfortunately our issue couldn't be resolved through IT literacy. I'm not sure twitter could've helped your 'miles long paperwork or '3 month shipping delays'. Why? B3cause they clearly didn't exist, unless your company was the only company experiencing these. Before you try next time, you should be more honest with your issues, rather than trying to exaggerate to make the point. Again worming for a logistics company working with Asda, Morrisons, zara, moss bros, asks, British tobacco, and many others. I'm not sure how a well run business wasn't prepared and had 3 month delays. It's truly shocking they were that incompetent. Imagine if these businesses didn't have to waste time, effort and money preparing for these problems." What do you imagine would be different if they didn’t need to prepare for these problems? | |||
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". Ironically when Daniel complained online on twitter he got the answers he needed in minutes Wait, you're saying all we needed to do was ask on Twitter and supply chain collapse wouldn't have seen the business go bust? Dang, really wish I'd had a Twitter account. No all he had to do was in the 2 years before hand make some effort to get to knkw the software and get it installed. 700+ days and he tried to wing it on the first say of brexit I was referring to my business. Unfortunately our issue couldn't be resolved through IT literacy. I'm not sure twitter could've helped your 'miles long paperwork or '3 month shipping delays'. Why? B3cause they clearly didn't exist, unless your company was the only company experiencing these. Before you try next time, you should be more honest with your issues, rather than trying to exaggerate to make the point. Again worming for a logistics company working with Asda, Morrisons, zara, moss bros, asks, British tobacco, and many others. I'm not sure how a well run business wasn't prepared and had 3 month delays. It's truly shocking they were that incompetent. Imagine if these businesses didn't have to waste time, effort and money preparing for these problems. What do you imagine would be different if they didn’t need to prepare for these problems?" Saving time, effort, and money on preparing for these problems.  | |||
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". Ironically when Daniel complained online on twitter he got the answers he needed in minutes Wait, you're saying all we needed to do was ask on Twitter and supply chain collapse wouldn't have seen the business go bust? Dang, really wish I'd had a Twitter account. No all he had to do was in the 2 years before hand make some effort to get to knkw the software and get it installed. 700+ days and he tried to wing it on the first say of brexit I was referring to my business. Unfortunately our issue couldn't be resolved through IT literacy. I'm not sure twitter could've helped your 'miles long paperwork or '3 month shipping delays'. Why? B3cause they clearly didn't exist, unless your company was the only company experiencing these. Before you try next time, you should be more honest with your issues, rather than trying to exaggerate to make the point. And accusing people of lying about their experiences isn't a particularly pleasant way of making your point either, but hey, you are who you are. I am who I am. I'm cool with that. I will say it again, UNLESS YOU WERE THE ONLY COMPANY EXPERIENCING THAT. Can you prove it? Doubt it. I'll stick with my original assertion
Oh, here we are, "prove it" again.
Nah, this may surprise you but I'm not about to take the time to prove what my company experienced or other companies experienced similar, just to have you cry bullshit because you're totally unwilling to consider anything that challenges your outlook. Bored with you and your terrible faith. Have a wonderful new year.
It was a rhetorical question hence I provided the answer
I'd have some more faith if you didn't behave the way you do.
BTW, just a point of note, you've made a few references today to 'not being pleasant', you should have a look in the mirror bringing Morleys parents into a conversation.
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". Again worming for a logistics company working with Asda, Morrisons, zara, moss bros, asks, British tobacco, and many others. I'm not sure how a well run business wasn't prepared and had 3 month delays. It's truly shocking they were that incompetent. Once more I'm sure if we'd had you on board to tell us all what we were doing wrong, we wouldn't have had a single problem. It's definitely our collective incompetence that was the main problem, but I do remember at the time a couple of the directors mentioning they wished we'd had the foresight to hire you to hold our hands through what was in fact a simple fix. Ah well, never mind." You failed so maybe your tongue in cheek reply was probably the best course of action and something that could have saved the business. Or you can simply keep saying you all did your best…. | |||
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". Ironically when Daniel complained online on twitter he got the answers he needed in minutes Wait, you're saying all we needed to do was ask on Twitter and supply chain collapse wouldn't have seen the business go bust? Dang, really wish I'd had a Twitter account. No all he had to do was in the 2 years before hand make some effort to get to knkw the software and get it installed. 700+ days and he tried to wing it on the first say of brexit I was referring to my business. Unfortunately our issue couldn't be resolved through IT literacy. I'm not sure twitter could've helped your 'miles long paperwork or '3 month shipping delays'. Why? B3cause they clearly didn't exist, unless your company was the only company experiencing these. Before you try next time, you should be more honest with your issues, rather than trying to exaggerate to make the point. Again worming for a logistics company working with Asda, Morrisons, zara, moss bros, asks, British tobacco, and many others. I'm not sure how a well run business wasn't prepared and had 3 month delays. It's truly shocking they were that incompetent. Imagine if these businesses didn't have to waste time, effort and money preparing for these problems. What do you imagine would be different if they didn’t need to prepare for these problems? Saving time, effort, and money on preparing for these problems. "Do you know how a business works? | |||
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". Ironically when Daniel complained online on twitter he got the answers he needed in minutes Wait, you're saying all we needed to do was ask on Twitter and supply chain collapse wouldn't have seen the business go bust? Dang, really wish I'd had a Twitter account. No all he had to do was in the 2 years before hand make some effort to get to knkw the software and get it installed. 700+ days and he tried to wing it on the first say of brexit I was referring to my business. Unfortunately our issue couldn't be resolved through IT literacy. I'm not sure twitter could've helped your 'miles long paperwork or '3 month shipping delays'. Why? B3cause they clearly didn't exist, unless your company was the only company experiencing these. Before you try next time, you should be more honest with your issues, rather than trying to exaggerate to make the point. And accusing people of lying about their experiences isn't a particularly pleasant way of making your point either, but hey, you are who you are. I am who I am. I'm cool with that. I will say it again, UNLESS YOU WERE THE ONLY COMPANY EXPERIENCING THAT. Can you prove it? Doubt it. I'll stick with my original assertion
Oh, here we are, "prove it" again.
Nah, this may surprise you but I'm not about to take the time to prove what my company experienced or other companies experienced similar, just to have you cry bullshit because you're totally unwilling to consider anything that challenges your outlook. Bored with you and your terrible faith. Have a wonderful new year.
It was a rhetorical question hence I provided the answer
I'd have some more faith if you didn't behave the way you do.
BTW, just a point of note, you've made a few references today to 'not being pleasant', you should have a look in the mirror bringing Morleys parents into a conversation.
That was an obvious contextual joke as evidenced by the winky face emoji I appended to it, but hey, you feel free to misrepresent that as me being mean about his folks if it makes you feel better."As ever, the usual, it was just a joke
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". Ironically when Daniel complained online on twitter he got the answers he needed in minutes Wait, you're saying all we needed to do was ask on Twitter and supply chain collapse wouldn't have seen the business go bust? Dang, really wish I'd had a Twitter account. No all he had to do was in the 2 years before hand make some effort to get to knkw the software and get it installed. 700+ days and he tried to wing it on the first say of brexit I was referring to my business. Unfortunately our issue couldn't be resolved through IT literacy. I'm not sure twitter could've helped your 'miles long paperwork or '3 month shipping delays'. Why? B3cause they clearly didn't exist, unless your company was the only company experiencing these. Before you try next time, you should be more honest with your issues, rather than trying to exaggerate to make the point. Again worming for a logistics company working with Asda, Morrisons, zara, moss bros, asks, British tobacco, and many others. I'm not sure how a well run business wasn't prepared and had 3 month delays. It's truly shocking they were that incompetent. Imagine if these businesses didn't have to waste time, effort and money preparing for these problems. What do you imagine would be different if they didn’t need to prepare for these problems? Saving time, effort, and money on preparing for these problems.
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". Ironically when Daniel complained online on twitter he got the answers he needed in minutes Wait, you're saying all we needed to do was ask on Twitter and supply chain collapse wouldn't have seen the business go bust? Dang, really wish I'd had a Twitter account. No all he had to do was in the 2 years before hand make some effort to get to knkw the software and get it installed. 700+ days and he tried to wing it on the first say of brexit I was referring to my business. Unfortunately our issue couldn't be resolved through IT literacy. I'm not sure twitter could've helped your 'miles long paperwork or '3 month shipping delays'. Why? B3cause they clearly didn't exist, unless your company was the only company experiencing these. Before you try next time, you should be more honest with your issues, rather than trying to exaggerate to make the point. Again worming for a logistics company working with Asda, Morrisons, zara, moss bros, asks, British tobacco, and many others. I'm not sure how a well run business wasn't prepared and had 3 month delays. It's truly shocking they were that incompetent. Imagine if these businesses didn't have to waste time, effort and money preparing for these problems. What do you imagine would be different if they didn’t need to prepare for these problems? Saving time, effort, and money on preparing for these problems. "You're wasting your breath. They're currently asserting that these problems never existed and anyone who claims to have run into them is either lying or victims of their own massive incompetence. | |||
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". Ironically when Daniel complained online on twitter he got the answers he needed in minutes Wait, you're saying all we needed to do was ask on Twitter and supply chain collapse wouldn't have seen the business go bust? Dang, really wish I'd had a Twitter account. No all he had to do was in the 2 years before hand make some effort to get to knkw the software and get it installed. 700+ days and he tried to wing it on the first say of brexit I was referring to my business. Unfortunately our issue couldn't be resolved through IT literacy. I'm not sure twitter could've helped your 'miles long paperwork or '3 month shipping delays'. Why? B3cause they clearly didn't exist, unless your company was the only company experiencing these. Before you try next time, you should be more honest with your issues, rather than trying to exaggerate to make the point. Again worming for a logistics company working with Asda, Morrisons, zara, moss bros, asks, British tobacco, and many others. I'm not sure how a well run business wasn't prepared and had 3 month delays. It's truly shocking they were that incompetent. Imagine if these businesses didn't have to waste time, effort and money preparing for these problems. What do you imagine would be different if they didn’t need to prepare for these problems? Saving time, effort, and money on preparing for these problems.
Do you know how a business works?
Do you know how many fruit bats fit inside a basketball?"I will take this answer as “no I don’t” | |||
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". Ironically when Daniel complained online on twitter he got the answers he needed in minutes Wait, you're saying all we needed to do was ask on Twitter and supply chain collapse wouldn't have seen the business go bust? Dang, really wish I'd had a Twitter account. No all he had to do was in the 2 years before hand make some effort to get to knkw the software and get it installed. 700+ days and he tried to wing it on the first say of brexit I was referring to my business. Unfortunately our issue couldn't be resolved through IT literacy. I'm not sure twitter could've helped your 'miles long paperwork or '3 month shipping delays'. Why? B3cause they clearly didn't exist, unless your company was the only company experiencing these. Before you try next time, you should be more honest with your issues, rather than trying to exaggerate to make the point. Again worming for a logistics company working with Asda, Morrisons, zara, moss bros, asks, British tobacco, and many others. I'm not sure how a well run business wasn't prepared and had 3 month delays. It's truly shocking they were that incompetent. Imagine if these businesses didn't have to waste time, effort and money preparing for these problems. What do you imagine would be different if they didn’t need to prepare for these problems? Saving time, effort, and money on preparing for these problems.
Do you know how a business works?"Stop with your 'irrelevant' questions will you. When will you learn? | |||
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". Ironically when Daniel complained online on twitter he got the answers he needed in minutes Wait, you're saying all we needed to do was ask on Twitter and supply chain collapse wouldn't have seen the business go bust? Dang, really wish I'd had a Twitter account. No all he had to do was in the 2 years before hand make some effort to get to knkw the software and get it installed. 700+ days and he tried to wing it on the first say of brexit I was referring to my business. Unfortunately our issue couldn't be resolved through IT literacy. I'm not sure twitter could've helped your 'miles long paperwork or '3 month shipping delays'. Why? B3cause they clearly didn't exist, unless your company was the only company experiencing these. Before you try next time, you should be more honest with your issues, rather than trying to exaggerate to make the point. Again worming for a logistics company working with Asda, Morrisons, zara, moss bros, asks, British tobacco, and many others. I'm not sure how a well run business wasn't prepared and had 3 month delays. It's truly shocking they were that incompetent. Imagine if these businesses didn't have to waste time, effort and money preparing for these problems. What do you imagine would be different if they didn’t need to prepare for these problems? Saving time, effort, and money on preparing for these problems.
Do you know how a business works?
Do you know how many fruit bats fit inside a basketball?
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". Ironically when Daniel complained online on twitter he got the answers he needed in minutes Wait, you're saying all we needed to do was ask on Twitter and supply chain collapse wouldn't have seen the business go bust? Dang, really wish I'd had a Twitter account. No all he had to do was in the 2 years before hand make some effort to get to knkw the software and get it installed. 700+ days and he tried to wing it on the first say of brexit I was referring to my business. Unfortunately our issue couldn't be resolved through IT literacy. I'm not sure twitter could've helped your 'miles long paperwork or '3 month shipping delays'. Why? B3cause they clearly didn't exist, unless your company was the only company experiencing these. Before you try next time, you should be more honest with your issues, rather than trying to exaggerate to make the point. Again worming for a logistics company working with Asda, Morrisons, zara, moss bros, asks, British tobacco, and many others. I'm not sure how a well run business wasn't prepared and had 3 month delays. It's truly shocking they were that incompetent. Imagine if these businesses didn't have to waste time, effort and money preparing for these problems. What do you imagine would be different if they didn’t need to prepare for these problems? Saving time, effort, and money on preparing for these problems.
You're wasting your breath. They're currently asserting that these problems never existed and anyone who claims to have run into them is either lying or victims of their own massive incompetence."Wrong, overcoming and understanding the change is all that people are saying. You didn’t do that in the business you were working in at the time and it closed, you still seem to have not taken onboard any lessons from that. | |||
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". Ironically when Daniel complained online on twitter he got the answers he needed in minutes Wait, you're saying all we needed to do was ask on Twitter and supply chain collapse wouldn't have seen the business go bust? Dang, really wish I'd had a Twitter account. No all he had to do was in the 2 years before hand make some effort to get to knkw the software and get it installed. 700+ days and he tried to wing it on the first say of brexit I was referring to my business. Unfortunately our issue couldn't be resolved through IT literacy. I'm not sure twitter could've helped your 'miles long paperwork or '3 month shipping delays'. Why? B3cause they clearly didn't exist, unless your company was the only company experiencing these. Before you try next time, you should be more honest with your issues, rather than trying to exaggerate to make the point. Again worming for a logistics company working with Asda, Morrisons, zara, moss bros, asks, British tobacco, and many others. I'm not sure how a well run business wasn't prepared and had 3 month delays. It's truly shocking they were that incompetent. Imagine if these businesses didn't have to waste time, effort and money preparing for these problems. What do you imagine would be different if they didn’t need to prepare for these problems? Saving time, effort, and money on preparing for these problems.
You're wasting your breath. They're currently asserting that these problems never existed and anyone who claims to have run into them is either lying or victims of their own massive incompetence."The random questions are funny. But I do enjoy the Brexit banter. | |||
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". Ironically when Daniel complained online on twitter he got the answers he needed in minutes Wait, you're saying all we needed to do was ask on Twitter and supply chain collapse wouldn't have seen the business go bust? Dang, really wish I'd had a Twitter account. No all he had to do was in the 2 years before hand make some effort to get to knkw the software and get it installed. 700+ days and he tried to wing it on the first say of brexit I was referring to my business. Unfortunately our issue couldn't be resolved through IT literacy. I'm not sure twitter could've helped your 'miles long paperwork or '3 month shipping delays'. Why? B3cause they clearly didn't exist, unless your company was the only company experiencing these. Before you try next time, you should be more honest with your issues, rather than trying to exaggerate to make the point. Again worming for a logistics company working with Asda, Morrisons, zara, moss bros, asks, British tobacco, and many others. I'm not sure how a well run business wasn't prepared and had 3 month delays. It's truly shocking they were that incompetent. Imagine if these businesses didn't have to waste time, effort and money preparing for these problems. What do you imagine would be different if they didn’t need to prepare for these problems? Saving time, effort, and money on preparing for these problems.
Do you know how a business works?
Stop with your 'irrelevant' questions will you.
When will you learn? "It is starting to sink in but I’m afraid it is at the speed it is taking some to accept Brexit is over and we have moved on, I’m fucked! | |||
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". Ironically when Daniel complained online on twitter he got the answers he needed in minutes Wait, you're saying all we needed to do was ask on Twitter and supply chain collapse wouldn't have seen the business go bust? Dang, really wish I'd had a Twitter account. No all he had to do was in the 2 years before hand make some effort to get to knkw the software and get it installed. 700+ days and he tried to wing it on the first say of brexit I was referring to my business. Unfortunately our issue couldn't be resolved through IT literacy. I'm not sure twitter could've helped your 'miles long paperwork or '3 month shipping delays'. Why? B3cause they clearly didn't exist, unless your company was the only company experiencing these. Before you try next time, you should be more honest with your issues, rather than trying to exaggerate to make the point. Again worming for a logistics company working with Asda, Morrisons, zara, moss bros, asks, British tobacco, and many others. I'm not sure how a well run business wasn't prepared and had 3 month delays. It's truly shocking they were that incompetent. Imagine if these businesses didn't have to waste time, effort and money preparing for these problems. What do you imagine would be different if they didn’t need to prepare for these problems? Saving time, effort, and money on preparing for these problems.
You're wasting your breath. They're currently asserting that these problems never existed and anyone who claims to have run into them is either lying or victims of their own massive incompetence.
Wrong, overcoming and understanding the change is all that people are saying. You didn’t do that in the business you were working in at the time and it closed, you still seem to have not taken onboard any lessons from that."I mean, the lesson has consistently been that Brexit caused supply chain issues that posed an existential threat to the business I was in, and when I relate that experience people who are pro-Brexit either call me a liar or claim that it could only have been the business's fault. To be fair I guess the lesson I haven't learnt from that is it's annoying and pointless talking to pro-Brexit people. | |||
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". Ironically when Daniel complained online on twitter he got the answers he needed in minutes Wait, you're saying all we needed to do was ask on Twitter and supply chain collapse wouldn't have seen the business go bust? Dang, really wish I'd had a Twitter account. No all he had to do was in the 2 years before hand make some effort to get to knkw the software and get it installed. 700+ days and he tried to wing it on the first say of brexit I was referring to my business. Unfortunately our issue couldn't be resolved through IT literacy. I'm not sure twitter could've helped your 'miles long paperwork or '3 month shipping delays'. Why? B3cause they clearly didn't exist, unless your company was the only company experiencing these. Before you try next time, you should be more honest with your issues, rather than trying to exaggerate to make the point. Again worming for a logistics company working with Asda, Morrisons, zara, moss bros, asks, British tobacco, and many others. I'm not sure how a well run business wasn't prepared and had 3 month delays. It's truly shocking they were that incompetent. Imagine if these businesses didn't have to waste time, effort and money preparing for these problems. What do you imagine would be different if they didn’t need to prepare for these problems? Saving time, effort, and money on preparing for these problems.
You're wasting your breath. They're currently asserting that these problems never existed and anyone who claims to have run into them is either lying or victims of their own massive incompetence.
Wrong, overcoming and understanding the change is all that people are saying. You didn’t do that in the business you were working in at the time and it closed, you still seem to have not taken onboard any lessons from that.
I mean, the lesson has consistently been that Brexit caused supply chain issues that posed an existential threat to the business I was in, and when I relate that experience people who are pro-Brexit either call me a liar or claim that it could only have been the business's fault.
To be fair I guess the lesson I haven't learnt from that is it's annoying and pointless talking to pro-Brexit people."What was the actual root cause of the failure of the business, it can’t be Brexit as that was a known thing and something that could be dealt with. | |||
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" What was the actual root cause of the failure of the business, it can’t be Brexit as that was a known thing and something that could be dealt with. " What was the actual root cause of the heart attack, it can't be cardiovascular disease as that was a known thing and something that could be dealt with. | |||
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"One thing the pro brexit threads are joyfull and positive and the pro remain threads are dreadfull and depressing." Is that because if you pretend everything is okay, the Monty Python Black Knight approach to Brexit, everything is "joyful". Yet if you look at the reality of Brexit it's "dreadful and depressing"? | |||
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" What was the actual root cause of the failure of the business, it can’t be Brexit as that was a known thing and something that could be dealt with. What was the actual root cause of the heart attack, it can't be cardiovascular disease as that was a known thing and something that could be dealt with." Prevention is better than cure, what was the root cause of the failure? | |||
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" What was the actual root cause of the failure of the business, it can’t be Brexit as that was a known thing and something that could be dealt with. What was the actual root cause of the heart attack, it can't be cardiovascular disease as that was a known thing and something that could be dealt with. Prevention is better than cure, what was the root cause of the failure? " What was the actual root cause of 9/11, it can't be terrorism as that was a known thing and something that could be dealt with. | |||
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". Ironically when Daniel complained online on twitter he got the answers he needed in minutes Wait, you're saying all we needed to do was ask on Twitter and supply chain collapse wouldn't have seen the business go bust? Dang, really wish I'd had a Twitter account. No all he had to do was in the 2 years before hand make some effort to get to knkw the software and get it installed. 700+ days and he tried to wing it on the first say of brexit I was referring to my business. Unfortunately our issue couldn't be resolved through IT literacy. I'm not sure twitter could've helped your 'miles long paperwork or '3 month shipping delays'. Why? B3cause they clearly didn't exist, unless your company was the only company experiencing these. Before you try next time, you should be more honest with your issues, rather than trying to exaggerate to make the point. Again worming for a logistics company working with Asda, Morrisons, zara, moss bros, asks, British tobacco, and many others. I'm not sure how a well run business wasn't prepared and had 3 month delays. It's truly shocking they were that incompetent. Imagine if these businesses didn't have to waste time, effort and money preparing for these problems. What do you imagine would be different if they didn’t need to prepare for these problems? Saving time, effort, and money on preparing for these problems.
You're wasting your breath. They're currently asserting that these problems never existed and anyone who claims to have run into them is either lying or victims of their own massive incompetence.
Wrong, overcoming and understanding the change is all that people are saying. You didn’t do that in the business you were working in at the time and it closed, you still seem to have not taken onboard any lessons from that.
I mean, the lesson has consistently been that Brexit caused supply chain issues that posed an existential threat to the business I was in, and when I relate that experience people who are pro-Brexit either call me a liar or claim that it could only have been the business's fault.
To be fair I guess the lesson I haven't learnt from that is it's annoying and pointless talking to pro-Brexit people."Ah you put me in the pro Brexit camp. Never judge a book by its cover. | |||
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"One thing the pro brexit threads are joyfull and positive and the pro remain threads are dreadfull and depressing. Is that because if you pretend everything is okay, the Monty Python Black Knight approach to Brexit, everything is "joyful". Yet if you look at the reality of Brexit it's "dreadful and depressing"?" It's all rose tinted on my side of the fence, one less layer of dictorial hypocrisy to be governed by, that is what I voted for and only the second time in my life I may add. | |||
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"One thing the pro brexit threads are joyfull and positive and the pro remain threads are dreadfull and depressing. Is that because if you pretend everything is okay, the Monty Python Black Knight approach to Brexit, everything is "joyful". Yet if you look at the reality of Brexit it's "dreadful and depressing"? It's all rose tinted on my side of the fence, one less layer of dictorial hypocrisy to be governed by, that is what I voted for and only the second time in my life I may add. " 'tis but a scratch. | |||
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"One thing the pro brexit threads are joyfull and positive and the pro remain threads are dreadfull and depressing. Is that because if you pretend everything is okay, the Monty Python Black Knight approach to Brexit, everything is "joyful". Yet if you look at the reality of Brexit it's "dreadful and depressing"? It's all rose tinted on my side of the fence, one less layer of dictorial hypocrisy to be governed by, that is what I voted for and only the second time in my life I may add. 'tis but a scratch." Rose tinted. | |||
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"The treatment of EU citizens in the UK has been an abomination. On another subject: I know a couple who make hand made pottery in England and they detest this government. Losing EU membership has been 100% bad news for them. Customs barriers. VAT headaches. Rules of origin. Declarations. Delivery delays. They used to employ Polish staff. They went on all the EU marches in London. He says "F*** the Tories" at every opportunity. Even Euratom has been lost. Not being in the European Atomic Energy Community means more delays on materials for X-rays, cancer treatments and some types of medical imaging. Who on earth mentioned losing Euratom in the wretched referendum? What about all those possibly Russian sponsored ads on Facebook before the referendum? Who paid for the wrap around ad on the London Evening Standard with the logo of the DUP party of Northern Ireland on it that may not have had to declare its source of funding? The failed campaign to stay in the EU broke the law in relatively minor infractions. Both of the anti campaigns broke the law in much bigger ones. The broken promises are a disgrace. Indian and Pakistani voters in the UK were told it'll be easier to migrate from India and Pakistan to the UK. Other voters were allowed to believe it would mean no immigration from anywhere. The anti brigade never agreed what they wanted instead of being in the EU with the EU28 David Cameron deal on top of that. The demolition of the pound, the loss of reputation, the upset to innocent people... It has all been appalling." Clear something up for me please...so , were you against brexit ? | |||
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"These polls do make me laugh, the general public knew nothing much about leaving or remaining in the EU in 2016, what do we think has changed since then? These forums are good insight on how people think, the majority can’t accept the vote, can’t move on and blame Brexit for the flat tyre on their car." Erm. We knew quite a lot about remaining. Cos, like, you know, we were in it. Interesting to see how people think on here(and their very very loose grasp of logic amd,er, thinking skills, so thanks). | |||
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"Tell me , did Germany also leave the EU ? They're in recession and doing terribly for some reason . ?? " Germany has also enjoyed growth and prosperity while in the EU. As has Britain, for that matter. One EU member entering a recession does not prove that leaving the EU is a good idea. | |||
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"Tell me , did Germany also leave the EU ? They're in recession and doing terribly for some reason . ?? Germany has also enjoyed growth and prosperity while in the EU. As has Britain, for that matter. One EU member entering a recession does not prove that leaving the EU is a good idea." That's true. But Britain doing badly since leaving can't all be blamed on being out of the EU. Covid didn't exactly help. Then a war in Europe has been a bit of a dampner. Some will say it's the same for all , and it is. But worse for us as we were always going to suffer for a period of time. Then those things on top ! | |||
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"Tell me , did Germany also leave the EU ? They're in recession and doing terribly for some reason . ?? Germany has also enjoyed growth and prosperity while in the EU. As has Britain, for that matter. One EU member entering a recession does not prove that leaving the EU is a good idea. That's true. But Britain doing badly since leaving can't all be blamed on being out of the EU. Covid didn't exactly help. Then a war in Europe has been a bit of a dampner. Some will say it's the same for all , and it is. But worse for us as we were always going to suffer for a period of time. Then those things on top !" Yes, that's definitely true. I don't think there's a serious person who would say that Britain's current issues are 100% down to Brexit. It is galling though to think about how much better we might have fared through those other factors had be not been going through a bitter, expensive divorce. | |||
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"Brexit had two main components : political and economic. For either, we won't know for a generation at least whether we did the right thing in leaving the EU. Healthy banter apart, micro analysis now tells us nothing." Looking forward to another 20 years in the Fab politics forum arguing over Brexit in that case! Wonder how many will have updated their profile pics in that time? | |||
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"Brexit had two main components : political and economic. For either, we won't know for a generation at least whether we did the right thing in leaving the EU. Healthy banter apart, micro analysis now tells us nothing." It's sort of depressing that that's now more or less the accepted narrative, given the whole thing was predicated on the absolute certainty of a smooth transition to an exclusively positive outcome, and your above comment (which I basically agree with) would at the time have been shouted down as "project fear". I do doubt that there will ever be a consensus though, as some will always remain steadfast in their commitment to seeing one outcome or the other regardless of the reality. | |||
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"Tell me , did Germany also leave the EU ? They're in recession and doing terribly for some reason . ?? Germany has also enjoyed growth and prosperity while in the EU. As has Britain, for that matter. One EU member entering a recession does not prove that leaving the EU is a good idea. That's true. But Britain doing badly since leaving can't all be blamed on being out of the EU. Covid didn't exactly help. Then a war in Europe has been a bit of a dampner. Some will say it's the same for all , and it is. But worse for us as we were always going to suffer for a period of time. Then those things on top ! Yes, that's definitely true. I don't think there's a serious person who would say that Britain's current issues are 100% down to Brexit. It is galling though to think about how much better we might have fared through those other factors had be not been going through a bitter, expensive divorce." Makes me wonder why couples divorce, What with the expense and all. Imagine how much better their lives could be if they'd only suffer living together
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"Tell me , did Germany also leave the EU ? They're in recession and doing terribly for some reason . ?? Germany has also enjoyed growth and prosperity while in the EU. As has Britain, for that matter. One EU member entering a recession does not prove that leaving the EU is a good idea. That's true. But Britain doing badly since leaving can't all be blamed on being out of the EU. Covid didn't exactly help. Then a war in Europe has been a bit of a dampner. Some will say it's the same for all , and it is. But worse for us as we were always going to suffer for a period of time. Then those things on top ! Yes, that's definitely true. I don't think there's a serious person who would say that Britain's current issues are 100% down to Brexit. It is galling though to think about how much better we might have fared through those other factors had be not been going through a bitter, expensive divorce. Makes me wonder why couples divorce, What with the expense and all. Imagine how much better their lives could be if they'd only suffer living together
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" Makes me wonder why couples divorce, What with the expense and all. Imagine how much better their lives could be if they'd only suffer living together
"To be fair, this analogy would make the UK the partner who demanded a divorce because they wanted to see other people, flatly refused to engage in couples counselling, hired the least competent family lawyer known to man, and still expected to keep the house, the car, the kids, the dog and all the money. And we, the kids, are hardly getting two Christmases out of it. | |||
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" Makes me wonder why couples divorce, What with the expense and all. Imagine how much better their lives could be if they'd only suffer living together
To be fair, this analogy would make the UK the partner who demanded a divorce because they wanted to see other people, flatly refused to engage in couples counselling, hired the least competent family lawyer known to man, and still expected to keep the house, the car, the kids, the dog and all the money.
And we, the kids, are hardly getting two Christmases out of it."I agree with the incompetent lawyer. But rather than wanting to see other people, maybe it was more like not putting up with being controlled. Being told how and where to spend their money etc etc. Some partners put up with this , some don't. If your partner is a complete @#%£ Counselling is a waste of time. | |||
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" It's all rose tinted on my side of the fence, one less layer of dictorial hypocrisy to be governed by, that is what I voted for and only the second time in my life I may add. It's weird the things you admit to. Like, you seems to feel strongly about political issues but then you've only gotten off your arse to perform your civic duty twice in your life. What was the other thing you could be bothered to vote for, out of interest?" I opperate under common law, ie undeniable rights not the rules of the governed ie your rights are afforded to you. Example for you homosexuality was illegal In the UK not so long ago if you voted and agreed to be governed by legislative forms and were homosexual you would of had your liberty taken or even be chemically castrated by the state. But under common law homosexuality has and always will be lawful. It is a personal choice to be jailed or castrated right. I take responsibility for myself and my actions. | |||
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" Makes me wonder why couples divorce, What with the expense and all. Imagine how much better their lives could be if they'd only suffer living together
To be fair, this analogy would make the UK the partner who demanded a divorce because they wanted to see other people, flatly refused to engage in couples counselling, hired the least competent family lawyer known to man, and still expected to keep the house, the car, the kids, the dog and all the money.
And we, the kids, are hardly getting two Christmases out of it.
I agree with the incompetent lawyer.
But rather than wanting to see other people, maybe it was more like not putting up with being controlled. Being told how and where to spend their money etc etc. Some partners put up with this , some don't.
If your partner is a complete @#%£
Counselling is a waste of time."I guess, but what some people woukd describe as "being controlled" is to other people doing what is reasonably expected of a partner. All this "control" the EU supposedly exerted over the UK mostly turned out the be the equivalent of expecting us to take the bins out every once in a while, to do our share of the childcare, to pay our share of the domestic costs, to run it by the other half before making a big purchase. These weren't unilateral demands, either. There was a considered discussion and we had agreed to take those responsibilities because they were worth it to us in the long run. Ultimately, to return to reality, it depends what your perception is of our place in the EU. Decades of certain media basically lying about the many ways in which the EU was supposedly taking all our money and making us follow bizarre rules has inarguably shaped the popular view of it, and the extent of that was tragically underestimated by Cameron when he agreed to the referendum thinking that the mostly reasonable public would see through all that bendy banana shit, he would be able to send ERG & Co. packing and we could get back to business as usual, i.e., making a tidy profit on our EU membership and enjoying all the benefits thereof with no downside that wasn't at least mitigated by a decent upside. | |||
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" It's all rose tinted on my side of the fence, one less layer of dictorial hypocrisy to be governed by, that is what I voted for and only the second time in my life I may add. It's weird the things you admit to. Like, you seems to feel strongly about political issues but then you've only gotten off your arse to perform your civic duty twice in your life. What was the other thing you could be bothered to vote for, out of interest? I opperate under common law, ie undeniable rights not the rules of the governed ie your rights are afforded to you. Example for you homosexuality was illegal In the UK not so long ago if you voted and agreed to be governed by legislative forms and were homosexual you would of had your liberty taken or even be chemically castrated by the state. But under common law homosexuality has and always will be lawful. It is a personal choice to be jailed or castrated right. I take responsibility for myself and my actions. "Yeah... I've voted in every election I've ever been entitled to and somehow managed to never vote for anyone who would chemically castrate gay people. You know that that hasn't been a thing since 1967, right? I mean, I don't know how old you are but if that's your reason to not vote you're 56 years late. Also if you don't believe in voting, why did you vote Brexit? And what was the other thing you voted for? The repeal of the corn laws? | |||
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" It's all rose tinted on my side of the fence, one less layer of dictorial hypocrisy to be governed by, that is what I voted for and only the second time in my life I may add. It's weird the things you admit to. Like, you seems to feel strongly about political issues but then you've only gotten off your arse to perform your civic duty twice in your life. What was the other thing you could be bothered to vote for, out of interest? I opperate under common law, ie undeniable rights not the rules of the governed ie your rights are afforded to you. Example for you homosexuality was illegal In the UK not so long ago if you voted and agreed to be governed by legislative forms and were homosexual you would of had your liberty taken or even be chemically castrated by the state. But under common law homosexuality has and always will be lawful. It is a personal choice to be jailed or castrated right. I take responsibility for myself and my actions.
Yeah... I've voted in every election I've ever been entitled to and somehow managed to never vote for anyone who would chemically castrate gay people.
You know that that hasn't been a thing since 1967, right? I mean, I don't know how old you are but if that's your reason to not vote you're 56 years late.
Also if you don't believe in voting, why did you vote Brexit?
And what was the other thing you voted for? The repeal of the corn laws?"How about starting wars and bringing death and destruction to millions of muslims on a lie, I never voted for that or would i ever vote for something like that, but I guess with no responsibility and a vote you can get away with anything. | |||
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" It's all rose tinted on my side of the fence, one less layer of dictorial hypocrisy to be governed by, that is what I voted for and only the second time in my life I may add. It's weird the things you admit to. Like, you seems to feel strongly about political issues but then you've only gotten off your arse to perform your civic duty twice in your life. What was the other thing you could be bothered to vote for, out of interest? I opperate under common law, ie undeniable rights not the rules of the governed ie your rights are afforded to you. Example for you homosexuality was illegal In the UK not so long ago if you voted and agreed to be governed by legislative forms and were homosexual you would of had your liberty taken or even be chemically castrated by the state. But under common law homosexuality has and always will be lawful. It is a personal choice to be jailed or castrated right. I take responsibility for myself and my actions.
Yeah... I've voted in every election I've ever been entitled to and somehow managed to never vote for anyone who would chemically castrate gay people.
You know that that hasn't been a thing since 1967, right? I mean, I don't know how old you are but if that's your reason to not vote you're 56 years late.
Also if you don't believe in voting, why did you vote Brexit?
And what was the other thing you voted for? The repeal of the corn laws?
How about starting wars and bringing death and destruction to millions of muslims on a lie, I never voted for that or would i ever vote for something like that, but I guess with no responsibility and a vote you can get away with anything.
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"Quick summary: Issues that have been created by brexit so far, FoM that nobody has said has impacted them directly today. Some have taken EU passports, no reports of any benefits to date of having those passports. One person lost their job as the company they were working for were ill prepared for the change. I would add more to this but no further details were offered. Can't seem to find anything else other than a lot whining over something that happened 7.5 years ago, people who still don't understand it was a vote and not a government policy, most ignoring that tories blew labour out of the water at the 2019 elections as the red wall feared a reversal and wanted brexit delivered. On the surface it seems nothing much has changed that is worth shouting about except if you can't move on and except where we are, then shouting about not a lot seems very important." It's fascinating to watch these guys filter out any information that contradicts their viewpoints in real time. | |||
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"Quick summary: Issues that have been created by brexit so far, FoM that nobody has said has impacted them directly today. Some have taken EU passports, no reports of any benefits to date of having those passports. One person lost their job as the company they were working for were ill prepared for the change. I would add more to this but no further details were offered. Can't seem to find anything else other than a lot whining over something that happened 7.5 years ago, people who still don't understand it was a vote and not a government policy, most ignoring that tories blew labour out of the water at the 2019 elections as the red wall feared a reversal and wanted brexit delivered. On the surface it seems nothing much has changed that is worth shouting about except if you can't move on and except where we are, then shouting about not a lot seems very important. It's fascinating to watch these guys filter out any information that contradicts their viewpoints in real time." This is the world we live in now. People think Brexit was a good idea, climate science isn't real, the earth is flat, the pandemic was a hoax, the Tories care about the country etc. Real life information is obsolete now. | |||
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"Quick summary: Issues that have been created by brexit so far, FoM that nobody has said has impacted them directly today. Some have taken EU passports, no reports of any benefits to date of having those passports. One person lost their job as the company they were working for were ill prepared for the change. I would add more to this but no further details were offered. Can't seem to find anything else other than a lot whining over something that happened 7.5 years ago, people who still don't understand it was a vote and not a government policy, most ignoring that tories blew labour out of the water at the 2019 elections as the red wall feared a reversal and wanted brexit delivered. On the surface it seems nothing much has changed that is worth shouting about except if you can't move on and except where we are, then shouting about not a lot seems very important. It's fascinating to watch these guys filter out any information that contradicts their viewpoints in real time." Like why the company you worked for folded due to brexit? | |||
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"Quick summary: Issues that have been created by brexit so far, FoM that nobody has said has impacted them directly today. Some have taken EU passports, no reports of any benefits to date of having those passports. One person lost their job as the company they were working for were ill prepared for the change. I would add more to this but no further details were offered. Can't seem to find anything else other than a lot whining over something that happened 7.5 years ago, people who still don't understand it was a vote and not a government policy, most ignoring that tories blew labour out of the water at the 2019 elections as the red wall feared a reversal and wanted brexit delivered. On the surface it seems nothing much has changed that is worth shouting about except if you can't move on and except where we are, then shouting about not a lot seems very important. It's fascinating to watch these guys filter out any information that contradicts their viewpoints in real time. Like why the company you worked for folded due to brexit?" Because there was 'miles long paperwork and 3 month delays in shipping'. They went bust due to not being able to fulfill one order. It may not be that but that's the info that's been given. | |||
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"Quick summary: Issues that have been created by brexit so far, FoM that nobody has said has impacted them directly today. Some have taken EU passports, no reports of any benefits to date of having those passports. One person lost their job as the company they were working for were ill prepared for the change. I would add more to this but no further details were offered. Can't seem to find anything else other than a lot whining over something that happened 7.5 years ago, people who still don't understand it was a vote and not a government policy, most ignoring that tories blew labour out of the water at the 2019 elections as the red wall feared a reversal and wanted brexit delivered. On the surface it seems nothing much has changed that is worth shouting about except if you can't move on and except where we are, then shouting about not a lot seems very important. It's fascinating to watch these guys filter out any information that contradicts their viewpoints in real time. Like why the company you worked for folded due to brexit? Because there was 'miles long paperwork and 3 month delays in shipping'. They went bust due to not being able to fulfill one order. It may not be that but that's the info that's been given. " My bad, it has been noted but I still dont understand how to be honest. I can move on though | |||
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" Like why the company you worked for folded due to brexit?" Although you admit basically verbatim to not having all or even most of the relevant information, you've still decided that I must be lying about it. Why? Because it contradicts your conviction that Brexit didn't do any harm. Amything that disagrees with you is a lie. The filter at work. | |||
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"Quick summary: Issues that have been created by brexit so far, FoM that nobody has said has impacted them directly today. Some have taken EU passports, no reports of any benefits to date of having those passports. One person lost their job as the company they were working for were ill prepared for the change. I would add more to this but no further details were offered. Can't seem to find anything else other than a lot whining over something that happened 7.5 years ago, people who still don't understand it was a vote and not a government policy, most ignoring that tories blew labour out of the water at the 2019 elections as the red wall feared a reversal and wanted brexit delivered. On the surface it seems nothing much has changed that is worth shouting about except if you can't move on and except where we are, then shouting about not a lot seems very important." Seafood companies had a rough time right? Also you ignored my earlier post so here it is again... ++++ Welcome to 2024...in news this morning it appears around 6,300 agricultural businesses in the UK have closed down since 2017 and the sector now employs over a third less people. The main contributor to this is cited as being Brexit (lead up and implementation). I am just relaying the news. I do not have access to the data. If I did I would not be prepared to spend my time analysing it anyway. I am therefore taking it at face value. BTW, data from ONS, analysed by Labour Party (I think), published by The Independent. | |||
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" Like why the company you worked for folded due to brexit? Although you admit basically verbatim to not having all or even most of the relevant information, you've still decided that I must be lying about it. Why? Because it contradicts your conviction that Brexit didn't do any harm. Amything that disagrees with you is a lie. The filter at work." You saying it failed due to brexit isn’t giving me enough information to be clear. The only way I can think the company went down from what you’ve said, is the company was reseller. Stock was being held in the EU because they hadn’t figured out how to export, or stopped exporting to the UK. If it’s not that I’m baffled | |||
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"Quick summary: Issues that have been created by brexit so far, FoM that nobody has said has impacted them directly today. Some have taken EU passports, no reports of any benefits to date of having those passports. One person lost their job as the company they were working for were ill prepared for the change. I would add more to this but no further details were offered. Can't seem to find anything else other than a lot whining over something that happened 7.5 years ago, people who still don't understand it was a vote and not a government policy, most ignoring that tories blew labour out of the water at the 2019 elections as the red wall feared a reversal and wanted brexit delivered. On the surface it seems nothing much has changed that is worth shouting about except if you can't move on and except where we are, then shouting about not a lot seems very important. Seafood companies had a rough time right? Also you ignored my earlier post so here it is again... ++++ Welcome to 2024...in news this morning it appears around 6,300 agricultural businesses in the UK have closed down since 2017 and the sector now employs over a third less people. The main contributor to this is cited as being Brexit (lead up and implementation). I am just relaying the news. I do not have access to the data. If I did I would not be prepared to spend my time analysing it anyway. I am therefore taking it at face value. BTW, data from ONS, analysed by Labour Party (I think), published by The Independent." Any idea why it was brexit related? | |||
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" Like why the company you worked for folded due to brexit? Although you admit basically verbatim to not having all or even most of the relevant information, you've still decided that I must be lying about it. Why? Because it contradicts your conviction that Brexit didn't do any harm. Amything that disagrees with you is a lie. The filter at work. You saying it failed due to brexit isn’t giving me enough information to be clear. The only way I can think the company went down from what you’ve said, is the company was reseller. Stock was being held in the EU because they hadn’t figured out how to export, or stopped exporting to the UK. If it’s not that I’m baffled " Stay baffled, buddy. It suits you. | |||
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"Quick summary: Issues that have been created by brexit so far, FoM that nobody has said has impacted them directly today. Some have taken EU passports, no reports of any benefits to date of having those passports. One person lost their job as the company they were working for were ill prepared for the change. I would add more to this but no further details were offered. Can't seem to find anything else other than a lot whining over something that happened 7.5 years ago, people who still don't understand it was a vote and not a government policy, most ignoring that tories blew labour out of the water at the 2019 elections as the red wall feared a reversal and wanted brexit delivered. On the surface it seems nothing much has changed that is worth shouting about except if you can't move on and except where we are, then shouting about not a lot seems very important. Seafood companies had a rough time right? Also you ignored my earlier post so here it is again... ++++ Welcome to 2024...in news this morning it appears around 6,300 agricultural businesses in the UK have closed down since 2017 and the sector now employs over a third less people. The main contributor to this is cited as being Brexit (lead up and implementation). I am just relaying the news. I do not have access to the data. If I did I would not be prepared to spend my time analysing it anyway. I am therefore taking it at face value. BTW, data from ONS, analysed by Labour Party (I think), published by The Independent." It was posted as a point by me too, also ignored. Which I think is the message here. People who still think Brexit is a good idea are hanging onto sound bites and that maybe not every Brexit negative has happened yet. As the data shows, these final believers are getting fewer in number. | |||
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"As the data shows, these final believers are getting fewer in number. " Fewer, but more annoying. | |||
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" Like why the company you worked for folded due to brexit? Although you admit basically verbatim to not having all or even most of the relevant information, you've still decided that I must be lying about it. Why? Because it contradicts your conviction that Brexit didn't do any harm. Amything that disagrees with you is a lie. The filter at work. You saying it failed due to brexit isn’t giving me enough information to be clear. The only way I can think the company went down from what you’ve said, is the company was reseller. Stock was being held in the EU because they hadn’t figured out how to export, or stopped exporting to the UK. If it’s not that I’m baffled Stay baffled, buddy. It suits you." That is where you would like me to be, hence the fairly weak description of how the company folded… I’ve got 2 questions for you, how did I vote the referendum? How many posts have I made that support Brexit as in leaving the EU? | |||
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" Like why the company you worked for folded due to brexit? Although you admit basically verbatim to not having all or even most of the relevant information, you've still decided that I must be lying about it. Why? Because it contradicts your conviction that Brexit didn't do any harm. Amything that disagrees with you is a lie. The filter at work. You saying it failed due to brexit isn’t giving me enough information to be clear. The only way I can think the company went down from what you’ve said, is the company was reseller. Stock was being held in the EU because they hadn’t figured out how to export, or stopped exporting to the UK. If it’s not that I’m baffled Stay baffled, buddy. It suits you. That is where you would like me to be, hence the fairly weak description of how the company folded… I’ve got 2 questions for you, how did I vote the referendum? How many posts have I made that support Brexit as in leaving the EU?" I like those questions.... I know the answers based on a couple of interactions with you, but then I know how to judge being on here a few days | |||
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" Like why the company you worked for folded due to brexit? Although you admit basically verbatim to not having all or even most of the relevant information, you've still decided that I must be lying about it. Why? Because it contradicts your conviction that Brexit didn't do any harm. Amything that disagrees with you is a lie. The filter at work. You saying it failed due to brexit isn’t giving me enough information to be clear. The only way I can think the company went down from what you’ve said, is the company was reseller. Stock was being held in the EU because they hadn’t figured out how to export, or stopped exporting to the UK. If it’s not that I’m baffled Stay baffled, buddy. It suits you. That is where you would like me to be, hence the fairly weak description of how the company folded… I’ve got 2 questions for you, how did I vote the referendum? How many posts have I made that support Brexit as in leaving the EU? I like those questions.... I know the answers based on a couple of interactions with you, but then I know how to judge being on here a few days " | |||
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"As the data shows, these final believers are getting fewer in number. Fewer, but more annoying." I admire those who are engaging in a debating exercise, to take on the most difficult angle. I don't know what to think about those who genuinely think it was a good idea to leave the EU. | |||
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"Quick summary: Issues that have been created by brexit so far, FoM that nobody has said has impacted them directly today. Some have taken EU passports, no reports of any benefits to date of having those passports. One person lost their job as the company they were working for were ill prepared for the change. I would add more to this but no further details were offered. Can't seem to find anything else other than a lot whining over something that happened 7.5 years ago, people who still don't understand it was a vote and not a government policy, most ignoring that tories blew labour out of the water at the 2019 elections as the red wall feared a reversal and wanted brexit delivered. On the surface it seems nothing much has changed that is worth shouting about except if you can't move on and except where we are, then shouting about not a lot seems very important. Seafood companies had a rough time right? Also you ignored my earlier post so here it is again... ++++ Welcome to 2024...in news this morning it appears around 6,300 agricultural businesses in the UK have closed down since 2017 and the sector now employs over a third less people. The main contributor to this is cited as being Brexit (lead up and implementation). I am just relaying the news. I do not have access to the data. If I did I would not be prepared to spend my time analysing it anyway. I am therefore taking it at face value. BTW, data from ONS, analysed by Labour Party (I think), published by The Independent. Any idea why it was brexit related? " Nothing more than the various articles are saying. This snippet touches on it a little... “Since 2019, farmers have faced more red tape and higher costs at our borders, blocking the export of high-quality British produce. The failure to invest in home-grown energy has left farmers crippled by skyrocketing energy prices, with the price of animal feed and fertiliser jumping by as much as 133% over the last year.” Clearly just from that statement Brexit is a contributing factor but not the only thing (as is the case with most of what is discussed here). | |||
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" Like why the company you worked for folded due to brexit? Although you admit basically verbatim to not having all or even most of the relevant information, you've still decided that I must be lying about it. Why? Because it contradicts your conviction that Brexit didn't do any harm. Amything that disagrees with you is a lie. The filter at work. You saying it failed due to brexit isn’t giving me enough information to be clear. The only way I can think the company went down from what you’ve said, is the company was reseller. Stock was being held in the EU because they hadn’t figured out how to export, or stopped exporting to the UK. If it’s not that I’m baffled Stay baffled, buddy. It suits you. That is where you would like me to be, hence the fairly weak description of how the company folded… I’ve got 2 questions for you, how did I vote the referendum? How many posts have I made that support Brexit as in leaving the EU?" 3rd question: Who cares? | |||
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"As the data shows, these final believers are getting fewer in number. Fewer, but more annoying. I admire those who are engaging in a debating exercise, to take on the most difficult angle. I don't know what to think about those who genuinely think it was a good idea to leave the EU." I'm not sure they know how to switch on a computer. | |||
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" Like why the company you worked for folded due to brexit? Although you admit basically verbatim to not having all or even most of the relevant information, you've still decided that I must be lying about it. Why? Because it contradicts your conviction that Brexit didn't do any harm. Amything that disagrees with you is a lie. The filter at work. You saying it failed due to brexit isn’t giving me enough information to be clear. The only way I can think the company went down from what you’ve said, is the company was reseller. Stock was being held in the EU because they hadn’t figured out how to export, or stopped exporting to the UK. If it’s not that I’m baffled Stay baffled, buddy. It suits you. That is where you would like me to be, hence the fairly weak description of how the company folded… I’ve got 2 questions for you, how did I vote the referendum? How many posts have I made that support Brexit as in leaving the EU? 3rd question: Who cares?" A lot of words again for a simple “no idea” reply | |||
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"Quick summary: Issues that have been created by brexit so far, FoM that nobody has said has impacted them directly today. Some have taken EU passports, no reports of any benefits to date of having those passports. One person lost their job as the company they were working for were ill prepared for the change. I would add more to this but no further details were offered. Can't seem to find anything else other than a lot whining over something that happened 7.5 years ago, people who still don't understand it was a vote and not a government policy, most ignoring that tories blew labour out of the water at the 2019 elections as the red wall feared a reversal and wanted brexit delivered. On the surface it seems nothing much has changed that is worth shouting about except if you can't move on and except where we are, then shouting about not a lot seems very important. Seafood companies had a rough time right? Also you ignored my earlier post so here it is again... ++++ Welcome to 2024...in news this morning it appears around 6,300 agricultural businesses in the UK have closed down since 2017 and the sector now employs over a third less people. The main contributor to this is cited as being Brexit (lead up and implementation). I am just relaying the news. I do not have access to the data. If I did I would not be prepared to spend my time analysing it anyway. I am therefore taking it at face value. BTW, data from ONS, analysed by Labour Party (I think), published by The Independent. Any idea why it was brexit related? Nothing more than the various articles are saying. This snippet touches on it a little... “Since 2019, farmers have faced more red tape and higher costs at our borders, blocking the export of high-quality British produce. The failure to invest in home-grown energy has left farmers crippled by skyrocketing energy prices, with the price of animal feed and fertiliser jumping by as much as 133% over the last year.” Clearly just from that statement Brexit is a contributing factor but not the only thing (as is the case with most of what is discussed here)." Exactly, a number of factors not 1. Farming / fishing has long been a problematic area, as part of theEU and now out of it. Price cutting isn’t sustainable, and the pressures of big supermarkets is a considerable impact on the health of the farming industry. People want cheap food, the government needs people to have cheap fresh food. | |||
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" A lot of words again for a simple “no idea” reply "You and FatandFeisty up there seem really tickled by the idea that nobody really knows who you actually support or what you would really vote for or whatever, like it's a big amazing secret. Nobody cares. Nobody's waiting to find out. You say what you say in your posts, people react to it. That's it. | |||
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"Quick summary: Issues that have been created by brexit so far, FoM that nobody has said has impacted them directly today. Some have taken EU passports, no reports of any benefits to date of having those passports. One person lost their job as the company they were working for were ill prepared for the change. I would add more to this but no further details were offered. Can't seem to find anything else other than a lot whining over something that happened 7.5 years ago, people who still don't understand it was a vote and not a government policy, most ignoring that tories blew labour out of the water at the 2019 elections as the red wall feared a reversal and wanted brexit delivered. On the surface it seems nothing much has changed that is worth shouting about except if you can't move on and except where we are, then shouting about not a lot seems very important. Seafood companies had a rough time right? Also you ignored my earlier post so here it is again... ++++ Welcome to 2024...in news this morning it appears around 6,300 agricultural businesses in the UK have closed down since 2017 and the sector now employs over a third less people. The main contributor to this is cited as being Brexit (lead up and implementation). I am just relaying the news. I do not have access to the data. If I did I would not be prepared to spend my time analysing it anyway. I am therefore taking it at face value. BTW, data from ONS, analysed by Labour Party (I think), published by The Independent. Any idea why it was brexit related? Nothing more than the various articles are saying. This snippet touches on it a little... “Since 2019, farmers have faced more red tape and higher costs at our borders, blocking the export of high-quality British produce. The failure to invest in home-grown energy has left farmers crippled by skyrocketing energy prices, with the price of animal feed and fertiliser jumping by as much as 133% over the last year.” Clearly just from that statement Brexit is a contributing factor but not the only thing (as is the case with most of what is discussed here). Exactly, a number of factors not 1. Farming / fishing has long been a problematic area, as part of theEU and now out of it. Price cutting isn’t sustainable, and the pressures of big supermarkets is a considerable impact on the health of the farming industry. People want cheap food, the government needs people to have cheap fresh food." That is, I think, what I have been saying all along. There is NEVER a single factor. There are ALWAYS multiple factors. It is also always a moving feast. A constantly moving 3D jigsaw. That means arguments on benefits AND negative impacts are sometimes as spurious and difficult to prove as each other. Someone pointing to Germany being in recession as evidence Brexit was a good idea is as spurious as someone pointing at the fishing industry problems and saying Brexit was a bad idea. It isn’t that simple. Ever! | |||
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" A lot of words again for a simple “no idea” reply
You and FatandFeisty up there seem really tickled by the idea that nobody really knows who you actually support or what you would really vote for or whatever, like it's a big amazing secret.
Nobody cares. Nobody's waiting to find out. You say what you say in your posts, people react to it. That's it."Was that a genuine typo or an insult to '_astandfeisty' | |||
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" A lot of words again for a simple “no idea” reply
You and FatandFeisty up there seem really tickled by the idea that nobody really knows who you actually support or what you would really vote for or whatever, like it's a big amazing secret.
Nobody cares. Nobody's waiting to find out. You say what you say in your posts, people react to it. That's it."You are not reacting to a lot of what is being written, you are reacting to your argument. | |||
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