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Politically opposed relationships

By *ristol Bite OP Man over a year ago

all over

Had a discussion with some friends about this the other day sparked from the fact in our wider friendship group there is a woman who apparently has a thing for me but I don't reciprocate it.

One of the major factors of this for me is she's rather right wing, a habitual Tory voter no matter what the issue, who's in charge, the current policies or anything, from a rich family and basically grew up doing as her father told her and nowadays the daily mail.

The discussion got quite heated amongst a few people about if you could be in a healthy relationship with someone with very opposing political views.

My stance is if there's two people who vote differently but neither of them are very political, they just vote and choose a side, or have views that don't always align but usually do, then maybe...

But two people who feel very strongly about politics with diametrically opposing viewpoints in terms of politicals and ideology surely can't be a good match for eachother as their feelings about the world and wider issues would never be in sync. Basic values would be different.

This does also get into the realm of it being difficult to have a relationship when only one person cares about politics.

I know there's no black/white to this and everyone's situation is different and people do also change, but I'm curious about other people's experiences regarding this question/situation.

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By *ex HolesMan over a year ago

Up North

I’ll turn a blind eye to any ladies political stance if she lets me put my cock up her arse hole

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By *luttyLaylaWoman over a year ago

North West

I totally agree with you.

I always say I’m happy to argue any subjects with anyone, so long as it’s educated. I’m happy to admit when I don’t have the knowledge to argue either side. That being said, I’m legal trained so can argue either side of anything ha!

People’s political, humanitarian views are so important I wouldn’t date someone with massively opposing views.

We don’t have to agree on everything. But the big stuff is important to me x

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By *inaTitzTV/TS over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

It sounds like a recipe for disaster. How can you discuss anything even vaguely political if the other party's views just irritate?

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By *hippy200Woman over a year ago

leeds

"I’ll turn a blind eye to any ladies political stance if she lets me put my cock up her arse hole

Here here but the opposite for me especially me being a lady and all that crap.

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By *atnip make me purrWoman over a year ago

Reading

I am much more attracted to people who tend to be on the left.

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By *adyinred696969Couple over a year ago

Brecon

My Dad always told me, if you want to make/stay friends, dont discuss the following.

Religion

Politics

Money

In his day these were all "hot" topics, these days I'd say another biggy that riles people is the LGBTQA/trans debate.

Sooner or later though, especially in a burgeoning relationship, I would think these would be discussed, and if you don't have common ground things will probably stall.

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By *oJo pornstarMan over a year ago

Liverpool

I’ll turn a blind eye to any ladies political stance if she lets me put my cock up her arse hole

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same here, as a centrist I don't go left or right just straight down the middle and aim for the bullseye

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Tories are a hard limit.

Can't fuck someone I can't respect

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

All political parties are bellends, so doesn't bother me in the slightest.

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By *icolasHidalgoDeCorazonMan over a year ago

St Leonards

I'm really good with Tories once they accept I'm right 93.74% of the time, they're right 1.86% of the time, and the remaining 11.473% is for classically trained economists to argue over

More seriously - no I couldn't spend meaningful time with someone whose opinions oozed out of them as much as mine ooze out of me, if they were massively opposing views.

Not enough space for the good stuff to grow in a sexual/romantic relationship.

Would probably enjoy seeing them socially every so often though, if they were passionate and well-informed on their topic.

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By *luttyLaylaWoman over a year ago

North West

"Tories are a hard limit.

Can't fuck someone I can't respect "

Do you actively ask meets?

I obviously have these convos dating wise. But not for fab.

No one on here or in a club has ever asked me anything like this and no one would know my views from here? ….

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By *eordieJeansCouple over a year ago

Newcastle upon Tyne

I could fuck a Tory but I definitely couldn’t be in a relationship one. Relationships can be hard enough without arguing about politics too.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I could fuck a Tory but I definitely couldn’t be in a relationship one. Relationships can be hard enough without arguing about politics too. "

Ditto, I'd f**k a Tory as long they didn't talk to me much..relationship? Forget about it.

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By *ostindreamsMan over a year ago

London

I have known couples back in India who vote for opposite parties everytime. It depends on multiple factors tbh.

How serious are you about the politics?Most people in my family and friends are strong believers that politicians are just power hungry scumbags who use ideologies as tools to achieve power. So most of them including me believe that it's stupid to let political parties play a role in your relationships.

Do you want to shape political views of your children? For most moderates, their goal is just to give a decent life for their children. They aren't fussed much about shaping their political views. They just teach the basic moral principles that children are supposed to know - don't beat others, don't lie, don't cheat, learn to look after yourself, etc. They expect the child to build political views from their own experiences.

But if one of the parents wants to shape the political views of their children too, that will be a massive cause of conflict.

So yes, it depends a lot on individuals. I am lucky to have a friend circle with political views from all bands of the spectrum. We are all respectful to each other and have great debates on political matters.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

"Tories are a hard limit.

Can't fuck someone I can't respect

Do you actively ask meets?

I obviously have these convos dating wise. But not for fab.

No one on here or in a club has ever asked me anything like this and no one would know my views from here? …. "

I ask to see evidence of politically affiliation AND check for minty fresh breath

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By *rumpyMcFuckNuggetMan over a year ago

Den of Iniquity

"I’ll turn a blind eye to any ladies political stance if she lets me put my cock up her arse hole

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I couldn’t be with anyone so serious about politics that they let it dictate their friendships and relationships

I see it often on dating apps

“No tories”

Enjoy letting politicians that give no fuck about you on either side rule your relationships

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By *rauntonbananaMan over a year ago

Braunton

Could never live with a socialist… most are insufferable hypocrites

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By *londebiguyMan over a year ago

Southport

"I’ll turn a blind eye to any ladies political stance if she lets me put my cock up her arse hole

Tackling the serious and important issues there then.

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By *londebiguyMan over a year ago

Southport

"Could never live with a socialist… most are insufferable hypocrites

You don't benefit from any of the perks of socialism such as the nhs then?

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By *londebiguyMan over a year ago

Southport

"All political parties are bellends, so doesn't bother me in the slightest. "

This makes the most sense to me.

Excellent comment.

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By *akeitasitcumsMan over a year ago

Bromley

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By *xfordjohnMan over a year ago

Oxford

"I could fuck a Tory but I definitely couldn’t be in a relationship one. Relationships can be hard enough without arguing about politics too. "

I agree. Just meeting for sex is one thing but to have an ongoing relationship, there surely has to be compatibility of views, though to me fairness, honesty and inclusivity are more important than party labels.

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By *rauntonbananaMan over a year ago

Braunton

Could never live with a socialist… most are insufferable hypocrites

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By *heGateKeeperMan over a year ago

Stratford

I’d have said I have a hard limit but I worked in London. Now I work in the Shires and the people I work and mix with are very Tory. I try not to let it affect me and just judge people on their views on particular aspects of the political agenda (immigration, economy, taxation, public services, foreign policy, crime) more than an overarching parties views.

My ex voted for Brexit when we lived together and it was never really a HUGE talking point, but it was always there.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

"I’ll turn a blind eye to any ladies political stance if she lets me put my cock up her arse hole

Tackling the serious and important issues there then."

That's Rex. The most serious man you'll ever meet

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By *akeitasitcumsMan over a year ago

Bromley

"I couldn’t be with anyone so serious about politics that they let it dictate their friendships and relationships

I see it often on dating apps

“No tories”

Enjoy letting politicians that give no fuck about you on either side rule your relationships"

Couldn't have put it better myself. We know they're self serving pigs. But come election time it's 'please vote for me i really do care'.

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By *rauntonbananaMan over a year ago

Braunton

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By *rauntonbananaMan over a year ago

Braunton

"Could never live with a socialist… most are insufferable hypocrites

You don't benefit from any of the perks of socialism such as the nhs then?"

My experience of our “wonderful” NHS has been appalling over the years… there are far more efficient healthcare services elsewhere. Socialism doesn’t work…

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By *rauntonbananaMan over a year ago

Braunton

"Could never live with a socialist… most are insufferable hypocrites

You don't benefit from any of the perks of socialism such as the nhs then?

My experience of our “wonderful” NHS has been appalling over the years… there are far more efficient healthcare services elsewhere. Socialism doesn’t work…

Millions slag off the rich yet spend there money on lottery tickets every week in the hope of joining them… oh the irony

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By *ostindreamsMan over a year ago

London

"I couldn’t be with anyone so serious about politics that they let it dictate their friendships and relationships

I see it often on dating apps

“No tories”

Enjoy letting politicians that give no fuck about you on either side rule your relationships"

+1 Politicians don't give a single fuck about you or your lives. They just want power. Why would anyone let these political parties dictate their relationships?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Could never live with a socialist… most are insufferable hypocrites

You don't benefit from any of the perks of socialism such as the nhs then?

My experience of our “wonderful” NHS has been appalling over the years… there are far more efficient healthcare services elsewhere. Socialism doesn’t work…

On its own? No..but elements of socialism are required for a healthy society...NHS, police, fire services, welfare..

...socialism often isn't implemented probably, or with any real good faith, but it's absolutely necessary

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I need more than a pretty penis to fuck someone, so no way am I sleeping with someone who is diametrically opposed to me politically. I have to like them.

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By *orl1971Couple over a year ago

Glasgow

It’s amazing how strongly people care about these things yet as people have said these politicians are usually incompetent, self serving people. Politics goes in cycles big government, small government, big government, etc. . It’s spend, spend, spend or cut, cut, cut.

Don’t know why you’d rule out almost half the country because they don’t vote the same as you. It’s not very inclusive. Sometimes you learn the most and have the best experiences when you don’t live in an echo chamber.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It’s amazing how strongly people care about these things yet as people have said these politicians are usually incompetent, self serving people. Politics goes in cycles big government, small government, big government, etc. . It’s spend, spend, spend or cut, cut, cut.

Why do I have to be inclusive for the most intimate of acts? It's not a dinner party.

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By *929Man over a year ago

bedlington

Exactly this

Are politics really that important to miss out on what could be the greatest thing to ever happen? I know that’s easier to say as someone who wouldn’t vote for any of the cunts they are all corrupt lying worthless sacks of shit regardless of what party they belong and there is nothing we can do to change it so not worth stressing over

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Exactly this

Well..we have said we'd s**g them

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's actually quite a fun game we do at the tory party meetings. We trawl social media and dating sites for the common people who proclaim "no tories" ... and then we have sex with them and don't ever tell them. Ha ha brilliant sport. Almost as good as fox hunting.

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By *ickdasterdly51Man over a year ago

Lingfield

I could never have sex with a woman who supports Reform or UKIP. Most definitely not any sort of relationship.

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By *ndycoinsMan over a year ago

Whaley Bridge,Nr Buxton,

How narrow minded and shallow to let politics decide a relationship.Notice how it's the inclusivity and equality brigade(the left) that are anything but,except Daily Mirror journalist Nigel Nelson,of the left and a remoaner who is happily married to a Conservative Brexiteer.If you are sad enough to let politics get in the way,then you know the price of everything and the value of nothing.You are clearly one of the people you are complaining about,happy in your echo chamber,no challenge,no debate,just trained seals clapping each others matching 'opinion'.

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By *avexxMan over a year ago

cheshire

politics dont get in the way of relationships,,

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"How narrow minded and shallow to let politics decide a relationship.Notice how it's the inclusivity and equality brigade(the left) that are anything but,except Daily Mirror journalist Nigel Nelson,of the left and a remoaner who is happily married to a Conservative Brexiteer.If you are sad enough to let politics get in the way,then you know the price of everything and the value of nothing.You are clearly one of the people you are complaining about,happy in your echo chamber,no challenge,no debate,just trained seals clapping each others matching 'opinion'."

He wasn't just talking about the politics though, he was talking about the wider views represented through a political stance that would make them incompatible. I'm actually impressed that you used all those provocative buzzwords while still completely missing his point

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By *ndycoinsMan over a year ago

Whaley Bridge,Nr Buxton,

"It's actually quite a fun game we do at the tory party meetings. We trawl social media and dating sites for the common people who proclaim "no tories" ... and then we have sex with them and don't ever tell them. Ha ha brilliant sport. Almost as good as fox hunting. "

Tally Ho Tally Ho.....

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By *ndycoinsMan over a year ago

Whaley Bridge,Nr Buxton,

I wasn't just replying to the OP,but to the thread in general,making a point in general.Not surprised you missed that point.No comment on Nigel and his wife being "incompatible'.Not surprised you've jumped into this thread to contradict and have a (laugh) "go" at what I posted.How predictable.YAWN.Jolly good,well done,you win a cookie.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

What's incompatible for some, isn't for other. Humans are strange like that you see so not all of us have that same line drawn in the sand. Oh, and addressing the thread as a whole includes the OP but thank you for the cookie

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By *luttyLaylaWoman over a year ago

North West

I’m happy to debate anything and everything with anyone.

Someone’s political view potentially wouldn’t make me not date them.

But their views on human rights, humanitarian issues and charitable issues would.

I don’t care if someone voted labour or conservative in the last election but I care for their views on “stopping the boats”, racism and international peace.

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By *GermanInLondonMan over a year ago

London

Too conservative and/or racist views would be a no for me.

I quite enjoy a bit discussion but for anything longer term I think too opposing political views can be a risk

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'm still missing how it's "sad" to let politics get in the way? Politics is part of everyday life, it affects everything we do. Our political views reflect our values and I want to share values with the men I sleep with. Because I'm not just into exchanging bodily fluids.

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By *MisschiefxTV/TS over a year ago

London

If we're opposite on political issues then it suggests there is a fundamental missmatch in values. Doesn't sound like a good pairing to me.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"If we're opposite on political issues then it suggests there is a fundamental missmatch in values. Doesn't sound like a good pairing to me."

Exactly. I can agree to disagree on pizza toppings, as the saying/ meme goes, not core values.

Politics to me isn't a sports game, it's a reflection of the things I think are most important in life. It's unlikely I'll find myself very close to someone who disagrees in serious ways about that.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I would never sleep with anyone that disagreed with my stance on the plight/ experience of Black people, and actually on a great deal of other social issues (misogyny, homophobia, transphobia, classism, etc). There are plenty of Labour voters that I disagree with on these things about and wouldn’t be in a relationship with them either.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"I would never sleep with anyone that disagreed with my stance on the plight/ experience of Black people, and actually on a great deal of other social issues (misogyny, homophobia, transphobia, classism, etc). There are plenty of Labour voters that I disagree with on these things about and wouldn’t be in a relationship with them either. "

Yeah, it's amazing that people think that "empathy with swathes of humanity and a shared sense of common decency" is trivial or shallow.

I'll fuck people with brown eyes and blue eyes, and people who like fig on pizza and not, but people whose fundamental views on society are repugnant? dafuq no

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By *eronicaExplorerWoman over a year ago

London

In theory, I'm open to kissing a Tory frog… but then I would remember Thatcher visiting Pinochet and for sure I will be kicking balls instead.

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By *rozac_fairyCouple over a year ago

Birmingham

For me personally, I couldn't fuck or be in a relationship with a Tory. I have to atleast respect the person to give them any form of my time. I also find many of the morals and ethics that often come with the right wing to be unattractive stances.

That being said, if others can do it, more power to them!

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"For me personally, I couldn't fuck or be in a relationship with a Tory. I have to atleast respect the person to give them any form of my time. I also find many of the morals and ethics that often come with the right wing to be unattractive stances.

That being said, if others can do it, more power to them! "

Yeah it always makes me laugh when "no blacks" or "only blacks" is "personal preference is sacrosanct in sex" and "no Tories" isn't allowed because reasons

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

That being said, if others can do it, more power to them! "
word. Like more power to you but that couldn’t be me

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By *MisschiefxTV/TS over a year ago

London

"If we're opposite on political issues then it suggests there is a fundamental missmatch in values. Doesn't sound like a good pairing to me.

Exactly. I can agree to disagree on pizza toppings, as the saying/ meme goes, not core values.

Politics to me isn't a sports game, it's a reflection of the things I think are most important in life. It's unlikely I'll find myself very close to someone who disagrees in serious ways about that."

It really is treated like sports teams which is just insane to me.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"If we're opposite on political issues then it suggests there is a fundamental missmatch in values. Doesn't sound like a good pairing to me.

Exactly. I can agree to disagree on pizza toppings, as the saying/ meme goes, not core values.

Politics to me isn't a sports game, it's a reflection of the things I think are most important in life. It's unlikely I'll find myself very close to someone who disagrees in serious ways about that.

It really is treated like sports teams which is just insane to me. "

Agreed

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By *rHotNottsMan over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

Doesn’t bother me as politics is mind numbingly boring so whatever they are, if they just enjoy talking about politics it’s a No.

But I do resect people that are actively involved in changing the world to be a better place, whether that’s activism, charity or work/business.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"………

You don't benefit from any of the perks of socialism such as the nhs then?"

Are you asking about ‘benefiting from’ or actually using it? It’s possible that some people don’t use the NHS or state schools but still contribute taxes towards it.

On top of that, they contribute VAT on certain non-treatment items during a hospital stay or doctor’s visit. There is also a tax on private health insurance.

Labour wants to introduce VAT on private school fees, which seems ridiculous seeing as the students are already helping the state by not using valuable resources within the state school system.

I’m ready for the lambasting that will follow the stating of an opinion that doesn’t tally with the collective rhetoric here.

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By *ostindreamsMan over a year ago

London

Yeah, it's amazing that people think that "empathy with swathes of humanity and a shared sense of common decency" is trivial or shallow.

I'll fuck people with brown eyes and blue eyes, and people who like fig on pizza and not, but people whose fundamental views on society are repugnant? dafuq no"

There is a difference between one's moral views and what party they vote for. Practically speaking, we pretty much have a two party system here. Majority of people in the country(or any other country for that matter) are moderates who do not pledge their lives to one party. Most people here have voted for Tories at least once in their life. These people make their voting choices based on the circumstances.

I know of some remainers who voted Tory last time because they were just pissed of with the way the process was dragged out. Which party someone voted for in the last election doesn't say anything about the person's views on racism, homophobia or anything.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yeah, it's amazing that people think that "empathy with swathes of humanity and a shared sense of common decency" is trivial or shallow.

I'll fuck people with brown eyes and blue eyes, and people who like fig on pizza and not, but people whose fundamental views on society are repugnant? dafuq no

Good point

Tory/labour voters vary so much that it’s silly to disregard someone based on how they vote with a 2 party system

You’d probably have better success by using an IQ test. Generally those loudest a lot politics are the ones that know the least

For me, anyone so deeply involved in politics that want to know you vote before they even know what your favourite music or food is are almost always insufferable to be around

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By *reyToTheFairiesWoman over a year ago

Carlisle usually

I'm not particularly political. I enjoy when people are passionate about things though.

I don't think I could date a passionate Tory, there'd be too many things I thought of as actively wrong. But a passionate lefty is fine. And someone who has Tory leanings but doesn't go on about it is good for conversations and discussion and understanding the other views.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Opposite sport teams, it’s a much more difficult situation

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Yeah, it's amazing that people think that "empathy with swathes of humanity and a shared sense of common decency" is trivial or shallow.

I'll fuck people with brown eyes and blue eyes, and people who like fig on pizza and not, but people whose fundamental views on society are repugnant? dafuq no

I'm sorry if you think anything I said has anything to do with what political party one does or doesn't vote for.

I don't care - although if you have values I consider non repugnant and you vote Tory, I'd wonder why the fuck and if you needed a doctor.

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By *hloe_TTV/TS over a year ago

Nottingham

"I have known couples back in India who vote for opposite parties everytime. It depends on multiple factors tbh.

But if one of the parents wants to shape the political views of their children too, that will be a massive cause of conflict.

Loved this bit :

power hungry scumbags who use ideologies as tools to achieve power.

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By *ostindreamsMan over a year ago

London

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By *ostindreamsMan over a year ago

London

"I have known couples back in India who vote for opposite parties everytime. It depends on multiple factors tbh.

But if one of the parents wants to shape the political views of their children too, that will be a massive cause of conflict.

Loved this bit :

power hungry scumbags who use ideologies as tools to achieve power."

Thanks. If you watch politics around the world, you would be surprised by number of times politicians have changed their ideologies just for the sake of votes. They never cared about those ideologies in the first place.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

"………

You don't benefit from any of the perks of socialism such as the nhs then?

Are you asking about ‘benefiting from’ or actually using it? It’s possible that some people don’t use the NHS or state schools but still contribute taxes towards it.

On top of that, they contribute VAT on certain non-treatment items during a hospital stay or doctor’s visit. There is also a tax on private health insurance.

Labour wants to introduce VAT on private school fees, which seems ridiculous seeing as the students are already helping the state by not using valuable resources within the state school system.

I’m ready for the lambasting that will follow the stating of an opinion that doesn’t tally with the collective rhetoric here.

My only point, M, will be that one may not use the NHS now, but if one is hit by the proverbial bus, one WILL be collected by a state funded ambulance to a state hospital and placed in a state funded ward until such a time as one is fit to be transported to the private hospital of choosing. There are very few private hospitals with intestive or critical care facilities so anyone needing such care will end up in the NHS system, more likely than not. I understand some people do successfully avoid the NHS and state education for the majority of the time, but it's never a cert.

The state is there, picking up the pieces of the most complex and unpredictable aspects of healthcare - emergency and trauma medicine. That also happens to be one of the most expensive areas too.

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By *ostindreamsMan over a year ago

London

Yeah, it's amazing that people think that "empathy with swathes of humanity and a shared sense of common decency" is trivial or shallow.

I'll fuck people with brown eyes and blue eyes, and people who like fig on pizza and not, but people whose fundamental views on society are repugnant? dafuq no

I'm sorry if you think anything I said has anything to do with what political party one does or doesn't vote for.

I don't care - although if you have values I consider non repugnant and you vote Tory, I'd wonder why the fuck and if you needed a doctor."

I get that part when it comes to relationships. If your fundamental moral views are so radically different, there is a good chance you don't get on with each other long term. As for not having morally repugnant views ad voting tories, people do it because they know that political parties don't have any inherent value system.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Yeah, it's amazing that people think that "empathy with swathes of humanity and a shared sense of common decency" is trivial or shallow.

I'll fuck people with brown eyes and blue eyes, and people who like fig on pizza and not, but people whose fundamental views on society are repugnant? dafuq no

I'm sorry if you think anything I said has anything to do with what political party one does or doesn't vote for.

I don't care - although if you have values I consider non repugnant and you vote Tory, I'd wonder why the fuck and if you needed a doctor.

So because people know parties don't have value systems, they vote for people who promise to do things that are against their values?

That seems as productive as shooting yourself in the face to improve your appearance.

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By *ostindreamsMan over a year ago

London

Yeah, it's amazing that people think that "empathy with swathes of humanity and a shared sense of common decency" is trivial or shallow.

I'll fuck people with brown eyes and blue eyes, and people who like fig on pizza and not, but people whose fundamental views on society are repugnant? dafuq no

Good point

Tory/labour voters vary so much that it’s silly to disregard someone based on how they vote with a 2 party system

You’d probably have better success by using an IQ test. Generally those loudest a lot politics are the ones that know the least

For me, anyone so deeply involved in politics that want to know you vote before they even know what your favourite music or food is are almost always insufferable to be around "

There are right libertarians who align with Tories on economic views and Labour on social views. There are left wing authoritarians who are the exact opposite. They obviously don't have a strong political party in UK.

And people's views usually fall into a spectrum. In Pakistan, homosexuality theoretically has death penalty(though it's not applied in practice), but trans people can self identify. Lot of people I know here are happy to support legalisation of gay marriage, but aren't supportive of self identification of trans people. Are these people tories or labour category?

If someone sees the world in terms if Tories/Labour, it just shows they are immature and haven't had much interaction with people outside their own circle with same political views. We were having a nice time at an office party. Out of nowhere, one person went on a rant about how brexiters are stupid. She basically assumed that everyone around her are remainers. But there was one leave voter and it killed the vibe for everyone. This is one of those insufferable people you are talking about. Bringing political topics in a conversation respectfully is one thing. Randomly throwing insults without even knowing what the other people's political views is a whole different thing.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yeah, it's amazing that people think that "empathy with swathes of humanity and a shared sense of common decency" is trivial or shallow.

I'll fuck people with brown eyes and blue eyes, and people who like fig on pizza and not, but people whose fundamental views on society are repugnant? dafuq no

Good point

Tory/labour voters vary so much that it’s silly to disregard someone based on how they vote with a 2 party system

You’d probably have better success by using an IQ test. Generally those loudest a lot politics are the ones that know the least

For me, anyone so deeply involved in politics that want to know you vote before they even know what your favourite music or food is are almost always insufferable to be around

Sorry, I’ve just realised how terribly I worded thaf

I meant that Tory’s vary so much amongst themselves, so do labour, so do any voters

To try to categorise any group of people as “Tory voters” or “labour voters” is pointless because they vary so much

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By *ostindreamsMan over a year ago

London

Yeah, it's amazing that people think that "empathy with swathes of humanity and a shared sense of common decency" is trivial or shallow.

I'll fuck people with brown eyes and blue eyes, and people who like fig on pizza and not, but people whose fundamental views on society are repugnant? dafuq no

I'm sorry if you think anything I said has anything to do with what political party one does or doesn't vote for.

I don't care - although if you have values I consider non repugnant and you vote Tory, I'd wonder why the fuck and if you needed a doctor.

So because people know parties don't have value systems, they vote for people who promise to do things that are against their values?

That seems as productive as shooting yourself in the face to improve your appearance."

It's not binary. Political parties have a long list of items in their manifesto. I rarely come across anyone who is supportive of every item that's listed on a single party's manifesto. You win some, you lose some. People vote based on what they find to be the pressing issue even if they lose out on other issues they care about. Most people voted Tories last election because they did not want Brexit dragging out anymore and that for them, was the pressing issue at that time. Rightfully, the voter base has swung towards Labour as Brexit isn't a pressing issue anymore.

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By *eronicaExplorerWoman over a year ago

London

"Opposite sport teams, it’s a much more difficult situation

Lol

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By *ostindreamsMan over a year ago

London

Yeah, it's amazing that people think that "empathy with swathes of humanity and a shared sense of common decency" is trivial or shallow.

I'll fuck people with brown eyes and blue eyes, and people who like fig on pizza and not, but people whose fundamental views on society are repugnant? dafuq no

Good point

Tory/labour voters vary so much that it’s silly to disregard someone based on how they vote with a 2 party system

You’d probably have better success by using an IQ test. Generally those loudest a lot politics are the ones that know the least

For me, anyone so deeply involved in politics that want to know you vote before they even know what your favourite music or food is are almost always insufferable to be around

Sorry, I’ve just realised how terribly I worded thaf

I meant that Tory’s vary so much amongst themselves, so do labour, so do any voters

To try to categorise any group of people as “Tory voters” or “labour voters” is pointless because they vary so much"

Agreed

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It’s weird too because when we think of left and right, the right is meant to be violent extremists and the left is meant to be all caring and inclusive

Anyone that’s actually been in the real world knows both sides have extremism and both are as bad as each other

I’d prefer to just avoid everyone on the extreme sides of any political position

And we all know people like this. That guy that can’t make it though a meal without an awful trans joke or that girl that blames the tories for her shoelace being untied

Let’s just avoid weirdos, and politics attracts a lot of them

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Had a discussion with some friends about this the other day sparked from the fact in our wider friendship group there is a woman who apparently has a thing for me but I don't reciprocate it.

The discussion got quite heated amongst a few people about if you could be in a healthy relationship with someone with very opposing political views.

My stance is if there's two people who vote differently but neither of them are very political, they just vote and choose a side, or have views that don't always align but usually do, then maybe...

This does also get into the realm of it being difficult to have a relationship when only one person cares about politics.

I know there's no black/white to this and everyone's situation is different and people do also change, but I'm curious about other people's experiences regarding this question/situation."

It is horrible.

When core values don't align at all, it's tough. Not just discussions between yourselves, but pushing their ideals down your kids' throat and not being allowed to voice your own opinion, being shouted down or they walk away from you...... I hate it.

It's not a nice environment to be in, especially if you feel like your walking on egg shells, can't watch even the news as you know that'll set them off. Anything slightly contentious happens, you don't talk about it, or even things that you didn't even think were things, you find out the hard way, you can't talk about it. If politics and core values don't align it's not good. Especially if it's something that develops independently and world events increase that divide. You knew you had slight differences, but boy you find out you have massive differences.

So in short, if one of you can't talk rationally if not passionately at times about an opposing view and instead your aggressive and blinkard in your own opinions, from experience, it really really isn't a nice place to be.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Yeah, it's amazing that people think that "empathy with swathes of humanity and a shared sense of common decency" is trivial or shallow.

I'll fuck people with brown eyes and blue eyes, and people who like fig on pizza and not, but people whose fundamental views on society are repugnant? dafuq no

I'm sorry if you think anything I said has anything to do with what political party one does or doesn't vote for.

I don't care - although if you have values I consider non repugnant and you vote Tory, I'd wonder why the fuck and if you needed a doctor.

So because people know parties don't have value systems, they vote for people who promise to do things that are against their values?

That seems as productive as shooting yourself in the face to improve your appearance.

I never said it was binary. I'm not the one making it about a political party.

The values I consider foundational, and one that I value in anyone close to me, don't tend to align with the Tory party. I don't care if they're the Tories or the potatoes or the elephants. People who promise to do things like X don't align with those values.

I look for people who align with values ABC.

The Tories, in the main, tend to promise stuff that's bad for ABC.

While I don't give a fuck who someone votes for, it would perplex me if someone voted for a party promising stuff that's bad for ABC if they're in favour of ABC.

If the Tories changed tomorrow and became in favour of more stuff that was closer to ABC, then I'd change my position on whether or not someone with values like mine could vote for them and be morally consistent. (And it's ok if someone isn't morally consistent, but I just don't see why anyone would do something so harmful to themselves - when starting from the position of "values consistent with mine")

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By *KentMan over a year ago

Canterbury

I understand what you mean, have been meeting a woman who is a staunch Tory voter, we have opposing views on much of what’s going on in the world.

But, the sex is absolutely incredible.

Side note, would absolutely love a night with Helen Whately!

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By *erri_kissesTV/TS over a year ago

Islington

"politics dont get in the way of relationships,, "

Tory voters vote for policies that have directly led to the loss of many lives. In my eyes they have blood on their hand and are undoubtedly dreadful, selfish people.

That would deffo get in the way of my wanting to have sex with them, let alone enter into some form of ongoing relationship with them.

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By *ostindreamsMan over a year ago

London

"politics dont get in the way of relationships,,

Tory voters vote for policies that have directly led to the loss of many lives. In my eyes they have blood on their hand and are undoubtedly dreadful, selfish people.

That would deffo get in the way of my wanting to have sex with them, let alone enter into some form of ongoing relationship with them. "

Do you think Labour hasn't done anything that hasn't resulted in bloodshed? Tony Blair walks into the room.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"politics dont get in the way of relationships,,

Tory voters vote for policies that have directly led to the loss of many lives. In my eyes they have blood on their hand and are undoubtedly dreadful, selfish people.

That would deffo get in the way of my wanting to have sex with them, let alone enter into some form of ongoing relationship with them.

Do you think Labour hasn't done anything that hasn't resulted in bloodshed? Tony Blair walks into the room."

Are you aware that there are policies and value positions that aren't Tory or Labour?

Trying to refute "Tories have been in favour with bad things" with "well so have Labour" is like trying to refute "kale is disgusting" with "well so are all other vegetables, spinach"

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By *ostindreamsMan over a year ago

London

"politics dont get in the way of relationships,,

Tory voters vote for policies that have directly led to the loss of many lives. In my eyes they have blood on their hand and are undoubtedly dreadful, selfish people.

That would deffo get in the way of my wanting to have sex with them, let alone enter into some form of ongoing relationship with them.

Do you think Labour hasn't done anything that hasn't resulted in bloodshed? Tony Blair walks into the room.

Are you aware that there are policies and value positions that aren't Tory or Labour?

Trying to refute "Tories have been in favour with bad things" with "well so have Labour" is like trying to refute "kale is disgusting" with "well so are all other vegetables, spinach""

Did you see me refute the fact that Tories are bad? Both have done equally bad things. Both have had policies that have led to bloodshed, which is what makes the idea of judging someone entirely based on who they voted for totally absurd.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"politics dont get in the way of relationships,,

Tory voters vote for policies that have directly led to the loss of many lives. In my eyes they have blood on their hand and are undoubtedly dreadful, selfish people.

That would deffo get in the way of my wanting to have sex with them, let alone enter into some form of ongoing relationship with them.

Do you think Labour hasn't done anything that hasn't resulted in bloodshed? Tony Blair walks into the room.

Are you aware that there are policies and value positions that aren't Tory or Labour?

Trying to refute "Tories have been in favour with bad things" with "well so have Labour" is like trying to refute "kale is disgusting" with "well so are all other vegetables, spinach"

And yet you're talking about politics as "parties people vote for" again, and I've only ever talked about politics in terms of societal values.

Did you know that parties exist other than the Tories and the Labour party, that people can vote for other people or not at all?

Did you know that judgement exists in degrees, so that I can judge a Tory voter as further from my values than a Labour voter, even if neither party is totally within line with my values?

If it came out that someone voted for the modern iteration of the Nazi party, would you say that you can't judge them by the party they vote for? (Note I am not calling Tories Nazis, just saying that saying you can't judge someone by their voting record is absurd)

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By *ssex_tomMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

What do we know about people who have never voted tho.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What do we know about people who have never voted tho. "

I reckon a fair amount.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"What do we know about people who have never voted tho. "

Lots. Ask them what they think about certain issues.

I don't consider politics to be even primarily about a political party, it's about values one works towards.

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By *ostindreamsMan over a year ago

London

And yet you're talking about politics as "parties people vote for" again, and I've only ever talked about politics in terms of societal values.

I was replying to a post that which mentioned something about Tories causing bloodshed and people who voted for it.

Did you know that parties exist other than the Tories and the Labour party, that people can vote for other people or not at all?

Yes and they are useless in an FPTP system. If any party promises proportional representation, I would vote for them the next election. This way, I have less compromises to make in the future elections.

Did you know that judgement exists in degrees, so that I can judge a Tory voter as further from my values than a Labour voter, even if neither party is totally within line with my values?

You have the right to make the decision. But I would say that you won't get the expected outcome you are looking for. People vote for so many reasons. Election manifestos are huge and someone would have voted for a party for various reasons.

A better way would be to keep an open mind and ask the individual why they voted Tory, if it matters so much for you. You will be surprised. I know of a gay person from Turkey who voted Tory. He says that his existence in Turkey is now under threat because of immigration from countries where people think death penalty is the right punishment for homosexuals and he doesn't want that to happen in UK too. He is well aware of anti LGBT rhetoric by Tories. But he believes the other problem to be a bigger threat. So it's a compromise he made. If you talk to people with an open mind, you will be surprised by how complex every individual is and what drives their voting choices.

That's simple. A nazi party's manifesto would be so extreme. So someone voting for that party wouldn't have any argument to fall back on. For the same reason why I wouldn't trust anyone voting for the modern version of Stalin or Mao too.

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By *ldgeezermeMan over a year ago

Corralejo Surfing Colours

And this isn't in the political forum because...

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

Politics affects the majority of life. It's fine to be ignorant

but I'd struggle with someone who didn't want the best for the world but, knowingly, in fact the opposite.

I'd be and have been fine, with partners and friends who hold different opinions

. I'd need them to be open to discussion though

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

And yet you're talking about politics as "parties people vote for" again, and I've only ever talked about politics in terms of societal values.

I was replying to a post that which mentioned something about Tories causing bloodshed and people who voted for it.

Did you know that parties exist other than the Tories and the Labour party, that people can vote for other people or not at all?

Did you know that judgement exists in degrees, so that I can judge a Tory voter as further from my values than a Labour voter, even if neither party is totally within line with my values?

I find Tory policies extreme, and have yet to find any argument that would make voting for them compatible with being close to me.

... so you do think that someone voting for a political party is a reason not to be close to them, as long as it's stuff you disagree with? what the what

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'm going into either the NHS or the Military. If I met a Tory, I'd probably hate them as they are voting for the party that activity wishes to destroy my work place and leave me without a job I'd be happy in. I could never befriend never mind date a Tory, I genuinely hold them to the same level of hate and vitriol that I hold cheaters, nonces and murderers to.

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By *ostindreamsMan over a year ago

London

And yet you're talking about politics as "parties people vote for" again, and I've only ever talked about politics in terms of societal values.

I was replying to a post that which mentioned something about Tories causing bloodshed and people who voted for it.

Did you know that parties exist other than the Tories and the Labour party, that people can vote for other people or not at all?

Did you know that judgement exists in degrees, so that I can judge a Tory voter as further from my values than a Labour voter, even if neither party is totally within line with my values?

I find Tory policies extreme, and have yet to find any argument that would make voting for them compatible with being close to me.

... so you do think that someone voting for a political party is a reason not to be close to them, as long as it's stuff you disagree with? what the what

Way to gaslight! I explained my stance clearly about an election manifesto not leaving any room for justification. You created a caricature party which is actually extremist in every aspect which goes against my original argument of how a manifesto is usually a mixed bag.

Having said that, as long as we are making up imaginary situations, let's assume there are only two parties in the country, one being a replica of Nazism and the other being a replica of Maoism... One could actually be excused for voting of either of these parties.

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By *erri_kissesTV/TS over a year ago

Islington

I raised my daughter well…
"I'm going into either the NHS or the Military. If I met a Tory, I'd probably hate them as they are voting for the party that activity wishes to destroy my work place and leave me without a job I'd be happy in. I could never befriend never mind date a Tory, I genuinely hold them to the same level of hate and vitriol that I hold cheaters, nonces and murderers to."

…not really my daughter

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

And yet you're talking about politics as "parties people vote for" again, and I've only ever talked about politics in terms of societal values.

I was replying to a post that which mentioned something about Tories causing bloodshed and people who voted for it.

Did you know that parties exist other than the Tories and the Labour party, that people can vote for other people or not at all?

Did you know that judgement exists in degrees, so that I can judge a Tory voter as further from my values than a Labour voter, even if neither party is totally within line with my values?

I find Tory policies extreme, and have yet to find any argument that would make voting for them compatible with being close to me.

... so you do think that someone voting for a political party is a reason not to be close to them, as long as it's stuff you disagree with? what the what

It's not a strawman. You said it's not rational to judge by what party one votes for, then said that you'd judge if someone voted for a political party. That's hypocritical.

And one could be excused for voting for any one party, be it the Nazis, the Tories, the Elephants or the Everyone Gets Everything Party.

I don't have to excuse it. My life, my choice. I can choose to be friends or lovers on the basis of anything I want to. One of my criteria is values. If someone has similar values to me and they vote Tory, they don't understand politics at all. Unfortunately for them, another criterion of mine is basic common sense, and with my values, that would be fucking deranged.

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By *ldgeezermeMan over a year ago

Corralejo Surfing Colours

"...

This is bizarre, how can the OP possibly know all these lazy stereotypes about her?

It's almost as if he's made it up

But, hey, for the sake of balance

One of the major factors of this for me is he's rather left wing, a habitual Labour voter no matter what the issue, who's in charge, the current policies or anything, from a poor family and basically grew up doing as his father told him and nowadays the daily mirror

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"...

This is bizarre, how can the OP possibly know all these lazy stereotypes about her?

It's almost as if he's made it up

But, hey, for the sake of balance

Someone would be perfectly entitled to not be in a relationship with someone if what's listed here is not in line with their values.

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By *ostindreamsMan over a year ago

London

It's not a strawman. You said it's not rational to judge by what party one votes for, then said that you'd judge if someone voted for a political party. That's hypocritical.

And one could be excused for voting for any one party, be it the Nazis, the Tories, the Elephants or the Everyone Gets Everything Party.

I don't have to excuse it. My life, my choice. I can choose to be friends or lovers on the basis of anything I want to. "

In most modern democracies, it doesn't make sense to judge someone based on the party they vote because there aren't any extreme parties like that. That's why backed my argument by explaining how election manifesto is huge and there could be reasons for people to vote for these parties. But you used an example of a party which doesn't have any room for such excuse which doesn't fit into the explanation I gave, which is a strawman.

One of my criteria is values. If someone has similar values to me and they vote Tory, they don't understand politics at all. Unfortunately for them, another criterion of mine is basic common sense, and with my values, that would be fucking deranged.

Calling someone deranged just because they have similar values to you but vote for Tories is a bit arrogant, to be honest. I just gave an example of why a gay person voted for Tory. I also gave examples of how the uncertainty around Brexit pushed many liberals to vote for Tories. None of them are deranged.

Hell even liberal values have changed over time. Freedom of speech was a core tenet of liberalism in the past. Modern liberals on the other hand aren't particularly pro-freedom of speech. If values of individuals and even an ideology can change so rapidly, and politicians and change their own views like a chameleons, a person who shares your views but voting for Tories isn't as deranged as you think.

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By *aith SkynbyrdWoman over a year ago

Somewhere else

I only fuck men with opposing politics to mine. Not only is the hate sex hot - he will also be guaranteed to disagree with what I want to do with my body, should the sex result in any unfortunate accidents.

Good times.

I might even get sister wives out of it!

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By *ik MMan over a year ago

Lancashire

"I'm going into either the NHS or the Military. If I met a Tory, I'd probably hate them as they are voting for the party that activity wishes to destroy my work place and leave me without a job I'd be happy in. I could never befriend never mind date a Tory, I genuinely hold them to the same level of hate and vitriol that I hold cheaters, nonces and murderers to."

Absolute nonsense

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By *ora the explorerWoman over a year ago

Paradise, Herts

. These threads do make me laugh. So fucking dramatic. Luckily they’re not usually in the lounge. Shouldn’t this be somewhere else?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

No chance!

Bad enough me being foreign and him British hahahaha

No religion

No politics

No football

Just fucking good sex please

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By *ornucopiaMan over a year ago

Bexley

I had a girlfriend once who used to say "I talk to anyone, except Tories.

Don't know it was significant, but she moved to Rochdale.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

It's not a strawman. You said it's not rational to judge by what party one votes for, then said that you'd judge if someone voted for a political party. That's hypocritical.

And one could be excused for voting for any one party, be it the Nazis, the Tories, the Elephants or the Everyone Gets Everything Party.

I don't have to excuse it. My life, my choice. I can choose to be friends or lovers on the basis of anything I want to.

Are there no extreme parties? I would have thought the Overton window moves and continues to move, and therefore judging "modern parties" as not extreme is just saying that the new normal is not extreme. The fact that you've had to redefine your position to try to claim that you're correct is just desperate.

I said anyone with *my values* voting for a Tory is deranged, not all Tory voters are deranged. From the position of X, "voting Tory" is profoundly illogical to the point of derangement.

Your Turkish person voting Tory is showing themselves being Tory. I've immigrated, now it's inconvenient to me for others to get what I've had. I've got mine, so fuck you. Like any Tory, it's as sexually attractive to me as a fetid turd. It also ignores that being illiberal on immigration is to some extent a cross party issue now.

I'm glad you can twist yourself into a pretzel to claim some sort of moral victory though. I don't think it'll get any more Tories laid, though.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Absolute nonsense "

Got any points for that or just giving a pointless statement?

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Absolute nonsense

Got any points for that or just giving a pointless statement?"

I do love how everyone is entitled to anything when it comes to sex - except not fucking a Tory. No blacks no dogs no Irish but the poor Tories etc *shrug*

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

Good luck..

I predict a pretty short career in either if you don't learn to wind your neck in..

Do wish you well though..

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By *ldgeezermeMan over a year ago

Corralejo Surfing Colours

You hate cheaters as much as nonces and murderers?

That's extreme either way it's interpreted

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You hate cheaters as much as nonces and murderers?

That's extreme either way it's interpreted"

Yes, I do hate people that enjoy causing long term psychological pain to children. Got cheated on by a nonce when I was 15 so I kind of learnt that they're both just groups of pure evil.

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By *ik MMan over a year ago

Lancashire

Absolute nonsense

Got any points for that or just giving a pointless statement?"

Oh where to start:

If you’re planning on a career in either of those areas at some point you’ll be (albeit indirectly) under the control of a Tory government;

I appreciate you’ve swallowed the narrative that the NHS is at threat from a Tory government, however I’ve no idea where you’ve arrived at the assumption the Military will be defunct too;

The chances are you already know plenty of Tory voters, they just probably don’t talk politics with someone who is so closed minded.

Lose the hate, it’s really not a good look

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Good luck..

I predict a pretty short career in either if you don't learn to wind your neck in..

Do wish you well though.."

Oh no, my real life career is going to end quickly because I say random shit that hurts noone on an online form. What ever will I do. This is the internet, not real life. Noone cares what we say on here. It ain't that deep.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Good luck..

I predict a pretty short career in either if you don't learn to wind your neck in..

Do wish you well though..

Go for the army. You’ll have a great time with the lads in there

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By *ldgeezermeMan over a year ago

Corralejo Surfing Colours

You hate cheaters as much as nonces and murderers?

That's extreme either way it's interpreted

Yes, I do hate people that enjoy causing long term psychological pain to children. Got cheated on by a nonce when I was 15 so I kind of learnt that they're both just groups of pure evil. "

Remind me never to play Monopoly with you, I usually slip a couple of quid from the bank when no one's looking

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Absolute nonsense

Got any points for that or just giving a pointless statement?

Oh where to start:

If you’re planning on a career in either of those areas at some point you’ll be (albeit indirectly) under the control of a Tory government;

I appreciate you’ve swallowed the narrative that the NHS is at threat from a Tory government, however I’ve no idea where you’ve arrived at the assumption the Military will be defunct too;

The chances are you already know plenty of Tory voters, they just probably don’t talk politics with someone who is so closed minded.

Lose the hate, it’s really not a good look "

Read the news, the Tories don't seem to like either institution honestly.

As for the hate, I've seen the Tory government destroy this nation, I have every right to hate them. They have actively made my life worse. Maybe it's fine for you because your generation never had struggles like those before you or after you.

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By *rozac_fairyCouple over a year ago

Birmingham

Yeah, it's amazing that people think that "empathy with swathes of humanity and a shared sense of common decency" is trivial or shallow.

I'll fuck people with brown eyes and blue eyes, and people who like fig on pizza and not, but people whose fundamental views on society are repugnant? dafuq no

This is a great point.

I'll extend my "I wouldn't fuck a Tory" and include "I wouldn't fuck people who voted Tory to get things like Brexit done"... the Tories stand against far too many progressive issues, I just couldn't fuck someone who was willing to throw many under the bus.

I mean, imagine standing against Homophobia, Islamophobia, Classism etc but still opting to help bring a Tory gov back in because they just wanted Brexit done as fast as possible.

For me though, Tory isn't just a political position, its a mindset.

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By *ostindreamsMan over a year ago

London

There are limits on both the left and right. Overton window moving doesn't change that. As long as the window remains well within the bounds, it is not mandatory to have extremist parties.

The fact that you've had to redefine your position to try to claim that you're correct is just desperate.

I did not have to redefine my position. I posted my explanation about the manifesto long back.

I said anyone with *my values* voting for a Tory is deranged, not all Tory voters are deranged. From the position of X, "voting Tory" is profoundly illogical to the point of derangement.

I also said the same thing about people having your values voting Tories. The voter swing last election was a clear example. Corbyn wasn't making a clear stance and many people who would never vote Tories voted for them simply because they were tired of back and forth with Brexit.

Your Turkish person voting Tory is showing themselves being Tory. I've immigrated, now it's inconvenient to me for others to get what I've had. I've got mine, so fuck you.

Rushing into a judgement like this is exactly what I call arrogance. Europeans have never faced the effect of living next to religious extremists. Turkey used to be very liberal for years. But they are losing it now because Erdogan takes lots of immigrants who threaten gay rights in the country. Sure one can follow deontology and claim that the outcome doesn't matter and it's the act that is moral or immoral. But others believe in consequentialism where the outcome is all that matters, which is what he did. He wanted to protect his right to live as a gay person.

It also ignores that being illiberal on immigration is to some extent a cross party issue now.

Which is exactly my point too. Some people say Starmer is more right wing than Tories. Tories oversaw highest immigration ever in UK. So maybe, in the next election, Labour is more far away from your values than Tories?

I'm glad you can twist yourself into a pretzel to claim some sort of moral victory though. I don't think it'll get any more Tories laid, though."

I don't think this is a war and I don't claim victories. I just pointed out my experience of talking to people without rushing into conclusion about their character. As for Tories getting laid, I am pretty sure they don't have any problems with that.

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By *ornucopiaMan over a year ago

Bexley

"Opposite sport teams, it’s a much more difficult situation

Thankfully, none of the women I've dated have been into sport.

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By *ostindreamsMan over a year ago

London

I understand NHS. Curious to know what happened with the military. Have probably missed the news around that.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"I said anyone with *my values* voting for a Tory is deranged, not all Tory voters are deranged. From the position of X, "voting Tory" is profoundly illogical to the point of derangement.

Cute that you assume that "my values" are the Labour party or anything approaching it. I'm not tied to a political party at all, and I certainly wouldn't vote for a proven liar buffoon because his party had fucked something up, so his party can resolve the fucking up.

" Rushing into a judgement like this is exactly what I call arrogance. Europeans have never faced the effect of living next to religious extremists. Turkey used to be very liberal for years. But they are losing it now because Erdogan takes lots of immigrants who threaten gay rights in the country. Sure one can follow deontology and claim that the outcome doesn't matter and it's the act that is moral or immoral. But others believe in consequentialism where the outcome is all that matters, which is what he did. He wanted to protect his right to live as a gay person. "

Yes yes, I can do big words too. What's the difference between "consequentialism" and "I've got mine, so fuck you" in this example, please?

And why do we accept that Europeans are allowed to feel compassion and have higher values and people from other countries (I'm not European fwiw) are allowed to be selfish shitstains?

Further, do we not look back and see what causes the rise of religious and other extremism, and see European meddling in the area and repression of people resulting in a rebound of extremism? Will we deal with that? Will we fuck. We'll just say it's ok for refugees to drown. I've got mine! Fuck you!

" Which is exactly my point too. Some people say Starmer is more right wing than Tories. Tories oversaw highest immigration ever in UK. So maybe, in the next election, Labour is more far away from your values than Tories?"

So the Tories have been incompetent in their stated goals about immigration, Labour might have a shred of competence in doing something I disagree with, therefore I should move more Tory?

Christ almighty I would be embarrassed by this attempt at political analysis when I was in primary school.

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By *ornucopiaMan over a year ago

Bexley

"And this isn't in the political forum because..."

... because it should be in 'Swingers chat' where a high proportion of 'The Lounge' posts really belong.

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By *otMe66Man over a year ago

Terra Firma

I don't think it would necessarily be a persons political view that would prevent me from thinking of starting a relationship... It would be comments such as "I hate, I despise" and the many other vitriolic comments aimed at people, which interestingly appear in this very thread... That would certainly put me off.

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By *ostindreamsMan over a year ago

London

That would be error on my part. I respect the reason why you wouldn't vote Tories. Some people believe that the uncertainty caused by Brexit would be much more damaging to the country than just getting it done and focus on the future. Economic outcomes are impossible to predict in the longer run. People do their best. You win some, you lose some.

Yes yes, I can do big words too. What's the difference between "consequentialism" and "I've got mine, so fuck you" in this example, please?

Deontology - Opening borders to anyone who shows up is the right act, irrespective of the outcome.

Consequentialism - Taking more people who view that death penalty is the right punishment for gays would cause erosion of gay rights, which is a bad consequence. So we have to be careful with such immigration if we want to protect gay rights.

And why do we accept that Europeans are allowed to feel compassion and have higher values and people from other countries (I'm not European fwiw) are allowed to be selfish shitstains?

A guy who had to run away from his hometown because he was surrounded by people who openly talked about stoning gay people to death is a selfish shitstain? Way to be empathetic. You talk like this because you have never first hand experienced this situation. He would gladly support immigration for fellow people from LGBT community by the way.

You mean the meddling done by Blair in the middle east? Sure we can do it by making sure we don't let new versions of Blair win.

So the Tories have been incompetent in their stated goals about immigration, Labour might have a shred of competence in doing something I disagree with, therefore I should move more Tory?

Christ almighty I would be embarrassed by this attempt at political analysis when I was in primary school.

Strawman again. I did not say you should move more Tory. You say that controlling immigration is something you disagree with. If Labour also are doing the same thing and also follow Tory blue print in most other issues, doesn't that mean you should stop dating Labour voters too?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

Good luck..

I predict a pretty short career in either if you don't learn to wind your neck in..

Do wish you well though..

My point being that if you go into one and spout the same nonsense as this you'll very quickly be sat on your arse by someone..

In the other you'll probably get a residential course to explore your inner thoughts..

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By *astandFeistyCouple over a year ago

Bournemouth

It's not a strawman. You said it's not rational to judge by what party one votes for, then said that you'd judge if someone voted for a political party. That's hypocritical.

And one could be excused for voting for any one party, be it the Nazis, the Tories, the Elephants or the Everyone Gets Everything Party.

I don't have to excuse it. My life, my choice. I can choose to be friends or lovers on the basis of anything I want to.

You're wasting your time with 'far left' posters.

As you've said already, there are no mainstream 'extreme' parties in the UK, although plenty will try to convince you Tories and Reform are extreme parties.

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By *estivalMan over a year ago

borehamwood

If politics matters that much to someone im likley to steer well clear if there right or left

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Good luck..

I predict a pretty short career in either if you don't learn to wind your neck in..

Do wish you well though..

My point being that if you go into one and spout the same nonsense as this you'll very quickly be sat on your arse by someone..

In the other you'll probably get a residential course to explore your inner thoughts.."

You're talking as if you're my parent or something. This is the internet, we can be edgy here. That's like...the entire point. Its a fun place to just say your inner intrusive thoughts. Like yeah, removing a few billion from the population would probably be beneficial for the species but would you catch me saying that IRL? Fuck no, I'm dumb but I'm not that dumb. And trust me, if it comes to it, I'll simply play the trans card...or any other appropriate minority card and boom...zero consequences.

Also, what nonsense? I'm simply saying that I dislike the conservative government, adulterers and nonces. I don't see why anyone would resort to physical violence because of that.

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By *astandFeistyCouple over a year ago

Bournemouth

"And trust me, if it comes to it, I'll simply play the trans card...or any other appropriate minority card and boom...zero consequences.

Everything that is wrong with today's society

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"And trust me, if it comes to it, I'll simply play the trans card...or any other appropriate minority card and boom...zero consequences.

Everything that is wrong with today's society

Haha exactly, crazy how throwing a different pronoun on someone can yield such different results. But shit, as we must embrace the new social norms. I for one will happily embrace them! I mean, it gets me free shit so I'm not complaining.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

"And trust me, if it comes to it, I'll simply play the trans card...or any other appropriate minority card and boom...zero consequences.

Everything that is wrong with today's society

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By *astandFeistyCouple over a year ago

Bournemouth

"And trust me, if it comes to it, I'll simply play the trans card...or any other appropriate minority card and boom...zero consequences.

Everything that is wrong with today's society

It wouldn't get different results from the majority of people.

Judging by your comments on this thread so far, I can only but say...

Good luck to you in the real world.

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By *otMe66Man over a year ago

Terra Firma

"And trust me, if it comes to it, I'll simply play the trans card...or any other appropriate minority card and boom...zero consequences.

Everything that is wrong with today's society

Only works on those who actually faux care.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"And trust me, if it comes to it, I'll simply play the trans card...or any other appropriate minority card and boom...zero consequences.

Everything that is wrong with today's society

It wouldn't get different results from the majority of people.

Judging by your comments on this thread so far, I can only but say...

Good luck to you in the real world. "

Ah but it would get different results from the people that matter!

Well, like everyone else my age on the internet. Real world me and Internet me are 2 very different people! People 30+ always treat the internet like an extension of reality or some shit and take it so seriously. People my age and younger treat this for what it was created for! A place to be a different person! You'll actually find it is great for removing stress!

As for the real world. Thank you! I've been on it for 22 years now and I've done a pretty damn good job, all my heavily racist remarks and edgy comments havn't really effected my real life funnily enough.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"………

The state is there, picking up the pieces of the most complex and unpredictable aspects of healthcare - emergency and trauma medicine. That also happens to be one of the most expensive areas too. "

A foreigner, without having contributed a penny in taxes to the UK, can step off a plane for the first time on British shores, injured himself at the airport and be treated the same way as your scenario. It has nothing to do with whether a person is a citizen. It’s universal for everyone within our borders. They are treated to the same degree and then transferred to private healthcare paid for by their travel insurance.

Even in America and other nations without universal healthcare, in an accident or emergency, they are duty bound to save a victim, if possible.

Therefore, I can’t see how the scenario posed is a matter of whether someone benefits from the ‘socialist ideal’ such as the NHS.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

"………

The state is there, picking up the pieces of the most complex and unpredictable aspects of healthcare - emergency and trauma medicine. That also happens to be one of the most expensive areas too.

Even in America and other nations without universal healthcare, in an accident or emergency, they are duty bound to save a victim, if possible.

Therefore, I can’t see how the scenario posed is a matter of whether someone benefits from the ‘socialist ideal’ such as the NHS.

I was just countering your comment that some people don't cost the NHS anything, because they effectively "opt out". They might opt out for the majority of the time, but if it ever comes to it, all of us have the safety net of a socialist healthcare system behind us. No questions asked.

Questions ARE asked of people arriving on these shores. True life saving treatment is "free", yes. We don't charge back for the essentials to save life. But we do for anything else. An NHS surcharge is added to every visa granted, different amounts depending on the visa type and whether dependents are included. This gives variable access to NHS services. There is a lot more revenue recouping going on in the NHS nowadays, of people who have come from abroad for various reasons. Anyone here as a visitor for less than 6 months stay has to pay in full for NHS services, charged at 150% of NHS rate.

https://www.nhs.uk/nhs-services/visiting-or-moving-to-england/how-to-access-nhs-services-in-england-if-you-are-visiting-from-abroad/

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"………

https://www.nhs.uk/nhs-services/visiting-or-moving-to-england/how-to-access-nhs-services-in-england-if-you-are-visiting-from-abroad/"

By the same regard, if the NHS can recoup from foreigners, then the same can be done with private healthcare patients and their insurance here.

The reason private healthcare may not have emergency departments to the same degree as a large NHS hospital is BECAUSE we have the NHS, which is covered by everyone’s taxes, including people who choose to ‘opt-out’ of their regular services. Without the NHS, there would be a system where some large private hospitals would have emergency departments and the costs would be recouped from private health insurance.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

"………

https://www.nhs.uk/nhs-services/visiting-or-moving-to-england/how-to-access-nhs-services-in-england-if-you-are-visiting-from-abroad/

By the same regard, if the NHS can recoup from foreigners, then the same can be done with private healthcare patients and their insurance here.

Some of us are completely uninsurable, M. I can't even get life insurance. Private healthcare would mean me dying or being dead already. The copays required in places like the USA would have us bankrupt.

We don't all have the privilege of having had private healthcare from the word go.

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By *ssex_tomMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

. These threads do make me laugh. So fucking dramatic. Luckily they’re not usually in the lounge. Shouldn’t this be somewhere else?

Nora.. Tom has never heard you swear before...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"………

We don't all have the privilege of having had private healthcare from the word go. "

I understand the predicament of the uninsurable. However, the question posed was

‘"………You don't benefit from any of the perks of socialism such as the nhs then?"

To that end, in an accident, it isn’t a victim’s choice as to how and where he is taken. As per my previous post, the system is set up to be a NHS hospital is the only place available.

However, in terms of cost, it could be recouped from a private health insurance. The reason it isn’t, for a citizen, is because of the taxes we all contribute, whether we choose to ‘opt-out’ or not.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

. These threads do make me laugh. So fucking dramatic. Luckily they’re not usually in the lounge. Shouldn’t this be somewhere else?

Nora.. Tom has never heard you swear before... "

That’s because the thread has been moved to Politics and she doesn’t think anyone will see it.

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By *ssex_tomMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

. These threads do make me laugh. So fucking dramatic. Luckily they’re not usually in the lounge. Shouldn’t this be somewhere else?

Nora.. Tom has never heard you swear before...

That’s because the thread has been moved to Politics and she doesn’t think anyone will see it.

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple over a year ago

Border of London

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple over a year ago

Border of London

What is "a Tory" anyway? If it's a party member, then perhaps it's understandable that people wouldn't date/sleep with them (there are ~100-150k of them or roughly 2.5% of the UK, mostly over 50). But plenty of people vote conservative for whatever reason - perhaps it's for pensions or to prevent Jeremy Corbyn gaining power, even though said people might hold Labour values dearer. Students might vote Labour because they want their fees lowered. Labour voters might support Brexit and Tory voters might support immigration.

Surely what most people who say "no socialists" or "no Tories" mean is "no arseholes", which can only be ascertained through dialogue. How people vote may not reflect the perceived values of said party. Each to their own, but narrowing the pool of individuals with unique and diverse beliefs with such a crude mechanic seems... bigoted? Unless you have such a steady stream of suitors that you need to cull fast, the pity is for those narrow minded ones.

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By *otMe66Man over a year ago

Terra Firma

"What is "a Tory" anyway? If it's a party member, then perhaps it's understandable that people wouldn't date/sleep with them (there are ~100-150k of them or roughly 2.5% of the UK, mostly over 50). But plenty of people vote conservative for whatever reason - perhaps it's for pensions or to prevent Jeremy Corbyn gaining power, even though said people might hold Labour values dearer. Students might vote Labour because they want their fees lowered. Labour voters might support Brexit and Tory voters might support immigration.

It has always been a thing of the left to do, declare a hatred for tories, it is a badge of honour.

Dated, misguided and goes mostly against the social warrior beliefs but hey ho

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By *erri_kissesTV/TS over a year ago

Islington

I’ve genuinely never met one that wasn’t, in one form or another, a cvnt

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By *ssex_tomMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

It's a kind of stereotype that the all inclusive left play too. There always has to be a scapegoat to blame and they always perceive a Tory to be a fat, white, male, middle aged, gout ridden, port drinking, privately educated, cigar smoking imperialist. This accounts for less than half of the party. Most people who voted conservative picked the lesser of two evils to keep the deluded Jeremy Corbyn as far away from power as possible..

If that makes them a Tory then Tom is a Dutchman's Uncle

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By *hagTonightMan over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

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By *hagTonightMan over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

"I could fuck a Tory but I definitely couldn’t be in a relationship one."
This

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By *ldgeezermeMan over a year ago

Corralejo Surfing Colours

"I’ve genuinely never met one that wasn’t, in one form or another, a cvnt"

Is your opening question to everyone you meet related to their political affiliation?

You must be the life and soul of a party

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By *orl1971Couple over a year ago

Glasgow

It would be interesting to see how people would react to a potential partner who does like your football team or has a different religion. Does that make them incompatible with your life views.

Politics is a rainbow and for all the time I’ve been alive I don’t remember things being much better for the average person, Labour or Tory. They promise the world but they deliver very little change because the country is like an oil tanker which takes ages to change direction. You shouldn’t be so embedded in one particular view point. You need to embrace diversity and understand why people behave/vote the way they do. Dating someone of an opposite opinion might not be such a bad thing. Opposites can attract.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

"………

We don't all have the privilege of having had private healthcare from the word go.

I understand the predicament of the uninsurable. However, the question posed was

‘"………You don't benefit from any of the perks of socialism such as the nhs then?"

To that end, in an accident, it isn’t a victim’s choice as to how and where he is taken. As per my previous post, the system is set up to be a NHS hospital is the only place available.

It's not just for accidents, M. If you go for pre planned surgery in a private hospital, paid for by insurance or your own pocket, and you suddenly take a bad turn and require intensive care, you will be shipped out to the nearest NHS intensive care unit, as soon as possible. In the days when the NHS was farming orthopaedic surgery out to private hospitals, my Dad was sent to one to see about a knee replacement. They declined to do it, as they felt his risk of bleeding or having a stroke was too high and they sent him back to the NHS hospital.

I just don't want anyone thinking they will avoid using the NHS entirely, by having private health insurance. Because there's a few (very expensive) bits that private care does not cover.

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By *ornucopiaMan over a year ago

Bexley

"What is "a Tory" anyway? ..."

I've always wondered why they have to take a capital 'T'.

Certainly shouldn't when used as an adjective.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"………

It's not just for accidents, M.……….. private care does not cover. "

I understand what you are saying. However, it merely serves to highlight my point that the system is set up where the NHS do the heavy work BECAUSE we all contribute our taxes to it.

There is no point for private hospitals to take on that work BECAUSE we have a system where our medical students and senior surgeons work for the NHS as well as private practice.

Without the NHS, we needn’t contribute taxes to a universal care system, hence large private hospitals would take on the work that you have used as an example. The system would still be the same as it is now, where smaller private hospitals would rely on the big ones to do this type of medical service, except it wouldn’t be called the NHS nor be a ‘socialist ideal’ but all managed under a private healthcare system.

I’m not debating the merits of each system nor individual experiences. I’m answering the original question posed, which alluded to the fact that we must have the NHS because we all benefit from it. My point is that we all benefit from it because the NHS exists. If it didn’t, we would have an alternative system.

Therefore, to dismiss someone’s view that opposes ‘socialism’ by asking "You don't benefit from any of the perks of socialism such as the nhs then?" is a moot point. Again, I reiterate; we benefit from it BECAUSE it’s in place, not because we choose to rely on this ‘perk of socialism’ without suggesting that a better model may exist.

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By *erri_kissesTV/TS over a year ago

Islington

"It would be interesting to see how people would react to a potential partner who does like your football team or has a different religion. Does that make them incompatible with your life views.

I feel that embracing tories/their ideals would be quite the opposite of embracing diversity tbh

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By *astandFeistyCouple over a year ago

Bournemouth

"It would be interesting to see how people would react to a potential partner who does like your football team or has a different religion. Does that make them incompatible with your life views.

I feel that embracing tories/their ideals would be quite the opposite of embracing diversity tbh"

And yet by not embracing you are in fact the opposite of embracing diversity

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It's a kind of stereotype that the all inclusive left play too. There always has to be a scapegoat to blame and they always perceive a Tory to be a fat, white, male, middle aged, gout ridden, port drinking, privately educated, cigar smoking imperialist. This accounts for less than half of the party. Most people who voted conservative picked the lesser of two evils to keep the deluded Jeremy Corbyn as far away from power as possible..

If that makes them a Tory then Tom is a Dutchman's Uncle "

But someone who intended to vote Tory in the next General Election - that's quite different isn't it? Starmer has been the Labour Leader since 2020. Voting Conservative now isn't because of Corbyn.

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By *erri_kissesTV/TS over a year ago

Islington

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By *erri_kissesTV/TS over a year ago

Islington

"It would be interesting to see how people would react to a potential partner who does like your football team or has a different religion. Does that make them incompatible with your life views.

I feel that embracing tories/their ideals would be quite the opposite of embracing diversity tbh

And yet by not embracing you are in fact the opposite of embracing diversity

My opposing Tories turfing Jamaican descendants that have been here their entire lives, or opposing burning ethnic minorities in tower blocks to save a few quid on cladding are better signifiers of my general stance on diversity than whether or not I’d hug someone who votes pig corpse head fkers into the highest position in the land.

And then the sentient scarecrow that is Johnson.

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By *astandFeistyCouple over a year ago

Bournemouth

"It would be interesting to see how people would react to a potential partner who does like your football team or has a different religion. Does that make them incompatible with your life views.

I feel that embracing tories/their ideals would be quite the opposite of embracing diversity tbh

And yet by not embracing you are in fact the opposite of embracing diversity

And then the sentient scarecrow that is Johnson.

I couldn't taken you seriously for a minute then. Until you blamed Govt for a manufacturer/building control officer issue.

Try loving, it's much easier than hating and division.

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By *rauntonbananaMan over a year ago

Braunton

What a pathetic, disgusting response… grow up for fucks sake

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By *erri_kissesTV/TS over a year ago

Islington

How does a Tory voter not see the irony in telling anyone to ‘try loving’ when they vote for the dogs whose policies see mentally ill people dying emaciated in their beds. The party who wanted Covid to slice through our grannies like a hot knife through butter.

‘Love Is…murdering the weak & the infirm’

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By *astandFeistyCouple over a year ago

Bournemouth

"How does a Tory voter not see the irony in telling anyone to ‘try loving’ when they vote for the dogs whose policies see mentally ill people dying emaciated in their beds. The party who wanted Covid to slice through our grannies like a hot knife through butter.

‘Love Is…murdering the weak & the infirm’"

You're the second person today to put me in the wrong box. Try harder

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By *erri_kissesTV/TS over a year ago

Islington

‘Love Is…murdering the weak & the infirm’

You're the second person today to put me in the wrong box. Try harder

If it looks like a duck….

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

‘Love Is…murdering the weak & the infirm’"

The Tories literally pissed half a trillion quid down the drain on lockdowns, furlough, and “saving the NHS”.

How much more should they have spent?

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By *avenTinaCouple over a year ago

Southport

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By *restonCouple555Couple over a year ago

preston

‘Love Is…murdering the weak & the infirm’

The Tories literally pissed half a trillion quid down the drain on lockdowns, furlough, and “saving the NHS”.

How much more should they have spent?"

So once they realised they couldn't just let a virus ravage the country, the Tories reluctantly budgeted to keep people alive and healthy - which you apparently think was a waste of money - so we should what? Congratulate them for their profound sense of humanity? Send them a thank you card for doing some of what was required, however late and incompetently, instead of watching passively as even more people died?

On the question of how much more they should have spent, let's start with enough to keep infected people quarantined in hospital instead of sending them into care homes.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

What a pathetic, disgusting response… grow up for fucks sake "

And how is it disgusting?

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By *erri_kissesTV/TS over a year ago

Islington

‘Love Is…murdering the weak & the infirm’

The Tories literally pissed half a trillion quid down the drain on lockdowns, furlough, and “saving the NHS”.

How much more should they have spent?"

I hope you’re proud of your grubby little disingenuous statement.

Maybe the difference between Tory voters and compassionate human beings is that it would genuinely weigh heavy on my mind leaving that kind of wilfully ignorant statement up on a public forum ¯\_

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By *astandFeistyCouple over a year ago

Bournemouth

‘Love Is…murdering the weak & the infirm’

You're the second person today to put me in the wrong box. Try harder

If it looks like a duck…."

Can you point to one statement I've made on this thread that makes me a Tory?

I doubt you can...

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By *restonCouple555Couple over a year ago

preston

‘Love Is…murdering the weak & the infirm’

You're the second person today to put me in the wrong box. Try harder

If it looks like a duck….

Can you point to one statement I've made on this thread that makes me a Tory?

I doubt you can..."

It's weird you think anyone can be arsed with deciphering your secret belief system instead of just taking your posts at face value like everyone else's.

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By *irldnCouple over a year ago

Brighton

"What is "a Tory" anyway? ...

I've always wondered why they have to take a capital 'T'.

Certainly shouldn't when used as an adjective."

Same reason we have Wanker and Cunt

Calm down at the back. That genuinely is a joke!

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By *rauntonbananaMan over a year ago

Braunton

What a pathetic, disgusting response… grow up for fucks sake

And how is it disgusting?"

If you cant see why your more stupid than I initially thought you were…

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By *astandFeistyCouple over a year ago

Bournemouth

‘Love Is…murdering the weak & the infirm’

You're the second person today to put me in the wrong box. Try harder

If it looks like a duck….

Can you point to one statement I've made on this thread that makes me a Tory?

I doubt you can...

It's weird you think anyone can be arsed with deciphering your secret belief system instead of just taking your posts at face value like everyone else's."

Can't be arsed but happy to jump into a conversation that doesn't concern you?

Can you point to one statement on this thread that implies I'm a Tory?

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By *rauntonbananaMan over a year ago

Braunton

What a pathetic, disgusting response… grow up for fucks sake

And how is it disgusting?

If you cant see why your more stupid than I initially thought you were…"

And why is it left wingers are so hateful??

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By *astandFeistyCouple over a year ago

Bournemouth

What a pathetic, disgusting response… grow up for fucks sake

And how is it disgusting?

If you cant see why your more stupid than I initially thought you were…

And why is it left wingers are so hateful?? "

They preach love and inclusively but behave in the opposite manner. Its part of their make up.

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