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By (user no longer on site) OP 52 weeks ago
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Is it time to ban people riding around on horseback while wearing red jackets?
Some people seem to find this pastime very triggering and bad for their wellbeing. |
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By (user no longer on site) 52 weeks ago
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"Ride without dogs or further harm to animals and the environment "
they are pretty good with the environment most work the land all year helps environment and nature
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By (user no longer on site) 52 weeks ago
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"Some will some want I love watching are local one
How can you enjoy watching an animal chased to exhaustion then ripped apart alive by dogs ?"
it's each to their own as they drag chase now nothing gets hurt I've lived around it all my life and understand what they do all year but those that live in cities don't usually understand which is fine i don't judge. |
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By (user no longer on site) 52 weeks ago
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"but those that live in cities don't usually understand which is fine i don't judge.
Are you judging me by saying I live in a city, which I don't ?"
no just saying it's usually those in cities that criticise or moan about countryside but never have been out of there concrete jungle.there are people around here that don't like it but understand about it and what it does |
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"Is it time to ban people riding around on horseback while wearing red jackets?
Some people seem to find this pastime very triggering and bad for their wellbeing."
Is it time to ban people speculating about made up nonsense like people wanting to ban riding around on horseback while wearing red jackets?
Some people seem to find this pastime very triggering and bad for their wellbeing. |
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"Ride without dogs or further harm to animals and the environment they are pretty good with the environment most work the land all year helps environment and nature "
With their massive polluting tractors and 4x4s |
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By (user no longer on site) 52 weeks ago
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"Ride without dogs or further harm to animals and the environment they are pretty good with the environment most work the land all year helps environment and nature
With their massive polluting tractors and 4x4s"
yeah yeah I know but least there using them for what they are built for not just driving around a city |
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By (user no longer on site) 52 weeks ago
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"Ride without dogs or further harm to animals and the environment they are pretty good with the environment most work the land all year helps environment and nature
With their massive polluting tractors and 4x4s"
Destruction of nature reserves, taking hedgerows out. Pesticide spraying, pollution of rivers with pesticides, to name a few and Leo demanding taxpayers to subsidise their self entitled activities that should be consigned to the history books |
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By *9alMan 52 weeks ago
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"Ride without dogs or further harm to animals and the environment they are pretty good with the environment most work the land all year helps environment and nature
With their massive polluting tractors and 4x4s
Destruction of nature reserves, taking hedgerows out. Pesticide spraying, pollution of rivers with pesticides, to name a few and Leo demanding taxpayers to subsidise their self entitled activities that should be consigned to the history books"
you seem to have missed out producing food for people to eat? |
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By (user no longer on site) 52 weeks ago
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"Ride without dogs or further harm to animals and the environment they are pretty good with the environment most work the land all year helps environment and nature
With their massive polluting tractors and 4x4s
Destruction of nature reserves, taking hedgerows out. Pesticide spraying, pollution of rivers with pesticides, to name a few and Leo demanding taxpayers to subsidise their self entitled activities that should be consigned to the history books
you seem to have missed out producing food for people to eat? "
shush some think it just turns up on the shelf |
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By *os19Man 52 weeks ago
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I have never understood how people can enjoy watching a pack of dogs rip a fox apart. I also thought that this was banned and they could only chase a scent or something called a drag.If this is correct why are foxes still been killed in this way |
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"I have never understood how people can enjoy watching a pack of dogs rip a fox apart. I also thought that this was banned and they could only chase a scent or something called a drag.If this is correct why are foxes still been killed in this way "
A rat is vermin and most people would have no problem in putting poison down to klll them if they were in their back garden, just like a farmer in his back garden.  |
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By (user no longer on site) 52 weeks ago
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"Ride without dogs or further harm to animals and the environment they are pretty good with the environment most work the land all year helps environment and nature
With their massive polluting tractors and 4x4s
Destruction of nature reserves, taking hedgerows out. Pesticide spraying, pollution of rivers with pesticides, to name a few and Leo demanding taxpayers to subsidise their self entitled activities that should be consigned to the history books
you seem to have missed out producing food for people to eat? "
Foxhunting and poncing about getting pissed up isn't productive though |
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By (user no longer on site) 52 weeks ago
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"I have never understood how people can enjoy watching a pack of dogs rip a fox apart. I also thought that this was banned and they could only chase a scent or something called a drag.If this is correct why are foxes still been killed in this way
A rat is vermin and most people would have no problem in putting poison down to klll them if they were in their back garden, just like a farmer in his back garden. "
Then why don't they dress up in red poncing about attire and torture them to death? |
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By (user no longer on site) 52 weeks ago
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Why is it all other creatures deemed "vermin" are just shot but some are sentenced to slow death for sadistic pleasure.?
Why not shoot foxes if they're so called vermin.
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"Why is it all other creatures deemed "vermin" are just shot but some are sentenced to slow death for sadistic pleasure.?
Why not shoot foxes if they're so called vermin.
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The rat catcher puts down bait that has been laced with poison, I'm sure you have noticed the boxes on the floor with a hole either end, the vermin has a slow death. |
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"Bunch of twats who would shit themselves if they needed to face the same odds the fox had to. Wankers the lot of them. Totally unnecessary cruelty. Ban it."
And rat catchers then we all could do with a dose of wells disease.  |
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By (user no longer on site) 52 weeks ago
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"Bunch of twats who would shit themselves if they needed to face the same odds the fox had to. Wankers the lot of them. Totally unnecessary cruelty. Ban it."
emotional nothing like being judgemental o and it's banned.
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By *irldnCouple 52 weeks ago
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"Bunch of twats who would shit themselves if they needed to face the same odds the fox had to. Wankers the lot of them. Totally unnecessary cruelty. Ban it. emotional nothing like being judgemental o and it's banned."
Is it banned? Thought the ban was overturned?
Personally I think dressing up and riding horses fast all over the place sounds great fun. Not sure why that needs to involve hunting down and killing a single defenceless fox and having the hounds rip it to shreds. Yes that makes them a bunch of twats. |
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By (user no longer on site) 52 weeks ago
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"Surely it's just an excuse for a bunch of rich toffs to get together and promote themselves to get on the New Year's honours list?  "
you've definitely never been near one as most are working class |
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By *ndycoinsMan 52 weeks ago
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"Surely it's just an excuse for a bunch of rich toffs to get together and promote themselves to get on the New Year's honours list? "
Same old Labour (and out of touch biased view),class war wealth jealousy.Even Blair has just admitted the hunting ban was the biggest mistake of his premiership.Most riders and followers aren't "toffs",a fact lost on our previous (labour) anti Semitic MP "only rich people have horses".Ignorance. |
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"Surely it's just an excuse for a bunch of rich toffs to get together and promote themselves to get on the New Year's honours list?
Same old Labour (and out of touch biased view),class war wealth jealousy.Even Blair has just admitted the hunting ban was the biggest mistake of his premiership.Most riders and followers aren't "toffs",a fact lost on our previous (labour) anti Semitic MP "only rich people have horses".Ignorance."
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"Even Blair has just admitted the hunting ban was the biggest mistake of his premiership."
Absolutely, a ban on dogs ripping apart foxes while a bunch of rich punters watch on, is much much worse that the war crimes in Iraq. |
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"Surely it's just an excuse for a bunch of rich toffs to get together and promote themselves to get on the New Year's honours list?
Same old Labour (and out of touch biased view),class war wealth jealousy.Even Blair has just admitted the hunting ban was the biggest mistake of his premiership.Most riders and followers aren't "toffs",a fact lost on our previous (labour) anti Semitic MP "only rich people have horses".Ignorance."
For sure. Most poor people have enough spare cash for some horses, stable fees, vets fees etc. |
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"Surely it's just an excuse for a bunch of rich toffs to get together and promote themselves to get on the New Year's honours list? you've definitely never been near one as most are working class "
Fella, anyone who owns a horse and all that goes with it costs wise is not working class.. |
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"Surely it's just an excuse for a bunch of rich toffs to get together and promote themselves to get on the New Year's honours list?
Same old Labour (and out of touch biased view),class war wealth jealousy.Even Blair has just admitted the hunting ban was the biggest mistake of his premiership.Most riders and followers aren't "toffs",a fact lost on our previous (labour) anti Semitic MP "only rich people have horses".Ignorance.
For sure. Most poor people have enough spare cash for some horses, stable fees, vets fees etc."
You are equating working people as being poor, obviously you don't own a hos, around here even folk on the rock n roll have an hos or pony. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP 52 weeks ago
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"Surely it's just an excuse for a bunch of rich toffs to get together and promote themselves to get on the New Year's honours list?
Same old Labour (and out of touch biased view),class war wealth jealousy.Even Blair has just admitted the hunting ban was the biggest mistake of his premiership.Most riders and followers aren't "toffs",a fact lost on our previous (labour) anti Semitic MP "only rich people have horses".Ignorance.
For sure. Most poor people have enough spare cash for some horses, stable fees, vets fees etc."
I’m sure many people simply sacrifice other things to pursue this particular way of life.
But let’s assume that your prejudice is correct. How does it make you feel that others can afford these things? Bitter? Envious? Resentful?
I fear we may be getting to the crux of the matter. |
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"Surely it's just an excuse for a bunch of rich toffs to get together and promote themselves to get on the New Year's honours list?
Same old Labour (and out of touch biased view),class war wealth jealousy.Even Blair has just admitted the hunting ban was the biggest mistake of his premiership.Most riders and followers aren't "toffs",a fact lost on our previous (labour) anti Semitic MP "only rich people have horses".Ignorance.
For sure. Most poor people have enough spare cash for some horses, stable fees, vets fees etc.
You are equating working people as being poor, obviously you don't own a hos, around here even folk on the rock n roll have an hos or pony."
I was referring directly to poor people. Replying to the person above.
The rest of your post, I don't understand. |
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"Surely it's just an excuse for a bunch of rich toffs to get together and promote themselves to get on the New Year's honours list?
Same old Labour (and out of touch biased view),class war wealth jealousy.Even Blair has just admitted the hunting ban was the biggest mistake of his premiership.Most riders and followers aren't "toffs",a fact lost on our previous (labour) anti Semitic MP "only rich people have horses".Ignorance.
For sure. Most poor people have enough spare cash for some horses, stable fees, vets fees etc.
I’m sure many people simply sacrifice other things to pursue this particular way of life.
But let’s assume that your prejudice is correct. How does it make you feel that others can afford these things? Bitter? Envious? Resentful?
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I have no opinion about these fictional poor people who own horses.
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I fear we may be getting to the crux of the matter."
Do go on... |
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"Surely it's just an excuse for a bunch of rich toffs to get together and promote themselves to get on the New Year's honours list?
Same old Labour (and out of touch biased view),class war wealth jealousy.Even Blair has just admitted the hunting ban was the biggest mistake of his premiership.Most riders and followers aren't "toffs",a fact lost on our previous (labour) anti Semitic MP "only rich people have horses".Ignorance.
For sure. Most poor people have enough spare cash for some horses, stable fees, vets fees etc.
You are equating working people as being poor, obviously you don't own a hos, around here even folk on the rock n roll have an hos or pony.
I was referring directly to poor people. Replying to the person above.
The rest of your post, I don't understand."
Even poor on the dole have a horse "hos" or pony. |
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By (user no longer on site) 52 weeks ago
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"Bunch of twats who would shit themselves if they needed to face the same odds the fox had to. Wankers the lot of them. Totally unnecessary cruelty. Ban it."
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By *irldnCouple 52 weeks ago
Brighton |
"Surely it's just an excuse for a bunch of rich toffs to get together and promote themselves to get on the New Year's honours list?
Same old Labour (and out of touch biased view),class war wealth jealousy.Even Blair has just admitted the hunting ban was the biggest mistake of his premiership.Most riders and followers aren't "toffs",a fact lost on our previous (labour) anti Semitic MP "only rich people have horses".Ignorance.
For sure. Most poor people have enough spare cash for some horses, stable fees, vets fees etc.
You are equating working people as being poor, obviously you don't own a hos, around here even folk on the rock n roll have an hos or pony.
I was referring directly to poor people. Replying to the person above.
The rest of your post, I don't understand.
Even poor on the dole have a horse "hos" or pony."
Can you prove that? Do benefits cover the cost of stabling, feeding, insuring and veterinary fees for the horse? If so then as a taxpayer that pisses me off! |
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By *irldnCouple 52 weeks ago
Brighton |
"Surely it's just an excuse for a bunch of rich toffs to get together and promote themselves to get on the New Year's honours list?
Same old Labour (and out of touch biased view),class war wealth jealousy.Even Blair has just admitted the hunting ban was the biggest mistake of his premiership.Most riders and followers aren't "toffs",a fact lost on our previous (labour) anti Semitic MP "only rich people have horses".Ignorance.
For sure. Most poor people have enough spare cash for some horses, stable fees, vets fees etc.
You are equating working people as being poor, obviously you don't own a hos, around here even folk on the rock n roll have an hos or pony.
I was referring directly to poor people. Replying to the person above.
The rest of your post, I don't understand.
Even poor on the dole have a horse "hos" or pony.
Can you prove that? Do benefits cover the cost of stabling, feeding, insuring and veterinary fees for the horse? If so then as a taxpayer that pisses me off! "
Except you were joking and I missed it! Doh! I guess the ones that do just needed to stop spending their money on booze, fags, Netflix, etc |
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By (user no longer on site) 52 weeks ago
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"Surely it's just an excuse for a bunch of rich toffs to get together and promote themselves to get on the New Year's honours list? you've definitely never been near one as most are working class
Fella, anyone who owns a horse and all that goes with it costs wise is not working class.."
why aren't they working class?I know a few that work 2 3 jobs cleaning caring bar work that own horses so what is your idea of working class just those that live on the poverty line. |
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By *irldnCouple 52 weeks ago
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"Surely it's just an excuse for a bunch of rich toffs to get together and promote themselves to get on the New Year's honours list? you've definitely never been near one as most are working class
Fella, anyone who owns a horse and all that goes with it costs wise is not working class..why aren't they working class?I know a few that work 2 3 jobs cleaning caring bar work that own horses so what is your idea of working class just those that live on the poverty line."
I think the issue in the UK is we equate class with wealth but that is no longer a universal truth. Plenty of “working class” people are wealthy (think some plumbers for example) and there are “upper class” people who are not wealthy.
I think in this case the point is that poor people cannot afford to own a horse regardless of their “class”. |
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By (user no longer on site) 52 weeks ago
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"Surely it's just an excuse for a bunch of rich toffs to get together and promote themselves to get on the New Year's honours list? you've definitely never been near one as most are working class
Fella, anyone who owns a horse and all that goes with it costs wise is not working class..why aren't they working class?I know a few that work 2 3 jobs cleaning caring bar work that own horses so what is your idea of working class just those that live on the poverty line.
I think the issue in the UK is we equate class with wealth but that is no longer a universal truth. Plenty of “working class” people are wealthy (think some plumbers for example) and there are “upper class” people who are not wealthy.
I think in this case the point is that poor people cannot afford to own a horse regardless of their “class”."
I totally agree but they are the poor not working class I have millionaires as friends that are definitely working class so my question still stands why can't working class own a horse i think most are just jealous about them spending money on things like this. |
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"Surely it's just an excuse for a bunch of rich toffs to get together and promote themselves to get on the New Year's honours list?
Same old Labour (and out of touch biased view),class war wealth jealousy.Even Blair has just admitted the hunting ban was the biggest mistake of his premiership.Most riders and followers aren't "toffs",a fact lost on our previous (labour) anti Semitic MP "only rich people have horses".Ignorance.
For sure. Most poor people have enough spare cash for some horses, stable fees, vets fees etc.
You are equating working people as being poor, obviously you don't own a hos, around here even folk on the rock n roll have an hos or pony.
I was referring directly to poor people. Replying to the person above.
The rest of your post, I don't understand.
Even poor on the dole have a horse "hos" or pony.
Can you prove that? Do benefits cover the cost of stabling, feeding, insuring and veterinary fees for the horse? If so then as a taxpayer that pisses me off!
Except you were joking and I missed it! Doh! I guess the ones that do just needed to stop spending their money on booze, fags, Netflix, etc"
You have to wait for the rage, yes people on the dole have horses amd pony around my way ie the black country, they get shoed for free the vets fees are small which is very rare cuz they are crossed with cobs which makes them resilient to disease the farrier gets the horse when it eventually snuffsit to cut up for meat, a lot of protein in a horse. |
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By (user no longer on site) 52 weeks ago
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"There's also a large number who think they're above the law. Foxhunting is ILLEGAL yet they look for ways to cheat the system."
just like most others do then
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By (user no longer on site) 52 weeks ago
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"Yes lord Blandford and his working class pals go straight off to plaster someone's house following the annual Hunt in Blandford Forum.
"Rah rah rah we going to smash the oiks""
that might be true or just made up in your head but the one near me they will be back working on the land or back building or roofing and one will be back on shift at hospital |
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By (user no longer on site) 52 weeks ago
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you seem to have missed out producing food for people to eat?
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You missed out that this country is filling up with ever increasing people.
This can't go on indefinitely
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I live in a hunting community, and things are not what they seem. For a start, farmers and landowners are divided, some permit hunting on their land, others don't. Ditto local people. The 'followers' themselves are an eclectic bunch, farmers, professionals and many ordinary 'working' people with a nag and a rented paddock. |
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By (user no longer on site) 52 weeks ago
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It has to end. It's a barbaric blood sport where sadisti pleasure is the only reason for it.
Exactly the same thing for grouse shooting where birds of prey are poisoned so more grouse can be shot.
It's all sadistic bollocks by morons based on macho crap. |
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"It has to end. It's a barbaric blood sport where sadisti pleasure is the only reason for it.
Exactly the same thing for grouse shooting where birds of prey are poisoned so more grouse can be shot.
It's all sadistic bollocks by morons based on macho crap."
I agree, I don't get field sports either. But there's a lot for hypocrisy from some people who are perfectly happy to let their cat kill countless mice, voles, shrews, newts and garden birds and just think it's funny. |
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"Surely it's just an excuse for a bunch of rich toffs to get together and promote themselves to get on the New Year's honours list? you've definitely never been near one as most are working class
Fella, anyone who owns a horse and all that goes with it costs wise is not working class..why aren't they working class?I know a few that work 2 3 jobs cleaning caring bar work that own horses so what is your idea of working class just those that live on the poverty line."
There's plenty across the country who are hard working and struggling under the current regime, many work multiple jobs but the use that income to keep a roof over their loved ones heads and food on the table..
Fox hunting as a means of pest control is a bollocks excuse which has been shown to be simply a barbaric pastime..
We live in a pretty rural area surrounded by working farms and there's not been a hunt for several years within quite a large radius and we don't have a fix problem..
Because the pest controllers keep it down effectively, the local gunshop half a mile away is equally busy..
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By (user no longer on site) 52 weeks ago
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"It has to end. It's a barbaric blood sport where sadisti pleasure is the only reason for it.
Exactly the same thing for grouse shooting where birds of prey are poisoned so more grouse can be shot.
It's all sadistic bollocks by morons based on macho crap."
I agree the killing of hen harriers should be stamped out rest I don't agree with but that's life |
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By (user no longer on site) 52 weeks ago
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"Surely it's just an excuse for a bunch of rich toffs to get together and promote themselves to get on the New Year's honours list? you've definitely never been near one as most are working class
Fella, anyone who owns a horse and all that goes with it costs wise is not working class..why aren't they working class?I know a few that work 2 3 jobs cleaning caring bar work that own horses so what is your idea of working class just those that live on the poverty line.
There's plenty across the country who are hard working and struggling under the current regime, many work multiple jobs but the use that income to keep a roof over their loved ones heads and food on the table..
Fox hunting as a means of pest control is a bollocks excuse which has been shown to be simply a barbaric pastime..
We live in a pretty rural area surrounded by working farms and there's not been a hunt for several years within quite a large radius and we don't have a fix problem..
Because the pest controllers keep it down effectively, the local gunshop half a mile away is equally busy..
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pest control I agree is rubbish game wardens do that anyway and yes are gun shop is busy just opened a clay shoot so even townies are shooting for 20 quid on a morning rest I'm not sure what your getting at yes people work hard keep a roof a nd food but what's that got to do with having a horse if that's what they want to spend there money on why not I have a classic car I work hard so it's my little joy any spare cash goes on it. |
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"Surely it's just an excuse for a bunch of rich toffs to get together and promote themselves to get on the New Year's honours list? you've definitely never been near one as most are working class
Fella, anyone who owns a horse and all that goes with it costs wise is not working class..why aren't they working class?I know a few that work 2 3 jobs cleaning caring bar work that own horses so what is your idea of working class just those that live on the poverty line.
There's plenty across the country who are hard working and struggling under the current regime, many work multiple jobs but the use that income to keep a roof over their loved ones heads and food on the table..
Fox hunting as a means of pest control is a bollocks excuse which has been shown to be simply a barbaric pastime..
We live in a pretty rural area surrounded by working farms and there's not been a hunt for several years within quite a large radius and we don't have a fix problem..
Because the pest controllers keep it down effectively, the local gunshop half a mile away is equally busy..
pest control I agree is rubbish game wardens do that anyway and yes are gun shop is busy just opened a clay shoot so even townies are shooting for 20 quid on a morning rest I'm not sure what your getting at yes people work hard keep a roof a nd food but what's that got to do with having a horse if that's what they want to spend there money on why not I have a classic car I work hard so it's my little joy any spare cash goes on it."
I'm not saying nobody can't spend their money on whatever, fact is the increase in food banks under this government and the high percentage of working families who are eligible for and claiming in work benefits before the current cost of living crisis tends to make me take claims that the working class are off out hunting with a pinch of salt.. |
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By *irldnCouple 52 weeks ago
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"Surely it's just an excuse for a bunch of rich toffs to get together and promote themselves to get on the New Year's honours list? you've definitely never been near one as most are working class
Fella, anyone who owns a horse and all that goes with it costs wise is not working class..why aren't they working class?I know a few that work 2 3 jobs cleaning caring bar work that own horses so what is your idea of working class just those that live on the poverty line.
I think the issue in the UK is we equate class with wealth but that is no longer a universal truth. Plenty of “working class” people are wealthy (think some plumbers for example) and there are “upper class” people who are not wealthy.
I think in this case the point is that poor people cannot afford to own a horse regardless of their “class”.I totally agree but they are the poor not working class I have millionaires as friends that are definitely working class so my question still stands why can't working class own a horse i think most are just jealous about them spending money on things like this."
That’s my point though, people do not really mean “class” they mean “rich”.
I know plenty of very rich “working class” people. Not just a bit rich, very rich. I also know a few decidedly “upper class” people who live in very modest houses (though I wouldn’t class them as poor). |
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By (user no longer on site) 52 weeks ago
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"Surely it's just an excuse for a bunch of rich toffs to get together and promote themselves to get on the New Year's honours list? you've definitely never been near one as most are working class
Fella, anyone who owns a horse and all that goes with it costs wise is not working class..why aren't they working class?I know a few that work 2 3 jobs cleaning caring bar work that own horses so what is your idea of working class just those that live on the poverty line.
I think the issue in the UK is we equate class with wealth but that is no longer a universal truth. Plenty of “working class” people are wealthy (think some plumbers for example) and there are “upper class” people who are not wealthy.
I think in this case the point is that poor people cannot afford to own a horse regardless of their “class”.I totally agree but they are the poor not working class I have millionaires as friends that are definitely working class so my question still stands why can't working class own a horse i think most are just jealous about them spending money on things like this.
That’s my point though, people do not really mean “class” they mean “rich”.
I know plenty of very rich “working class” people. Not just a bit rich, very rich. I also know a few decidedly “upper class” people who live in very modest houses (though I wouldn’t class them as poor)."
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"So the conclusion is that some poor people also enjoy watching a pack of dogs rip apart a fox?
Does this make it cool?"
Maybe the poor people are hoping for a few scraps of fox to add to their boiled nettle broth ? |
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By *ndycoinsMan 52 weeks ago
Whaley Bridge,Nr Buxton, |
"Surely it's just an excuse for a bunch of rich toffs to get together and promote themselves to get on the New Year's honours list? you've definitely never been near one as most are working class
Fella, anyone who owns a horse and all that goes with it costs wise is not working class..why aren't they working class?I know a few that work 2 3 jobs cleaning caring bar work that own horses so what is your idea of working class just those that live on the poverty line.
There's plenty across the country who are hard working and struggling under the current regime, many work multiple jobs but the use that income to keep a roof over their loved ones heads and food on the table..
Fox hunting as a means of pest control is a bollocks excuse which has been shown to be simply a barbaric pastime..
We live in a pretty rural area surrounded by working farms and there's not been a hunt for several years within quite a large radius and we don't have a fix problem..
Because the pest controllers keep it down effectively, the local gunshop half a mile away is equally busy..
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If you want to condem something "barbaric" go and protest outside a Halal slaughterhouse,better still try your luck outside a mosque. |
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"Surely it's just an excuse for a bunch of rich toffs to get together and promote themselves to get on the New Year's honours list? you've definitely never been near one as most are working class
Fella, anyone who owns a horse and all that goes with it costs wise is not working class..why aren't they working class?I know a few that work 2 3 jobs cleaning caring bar work that own horses so what is your idea of working class just those that live on the poverty line.
There's plenty across the country who are hard working and struggling under the current regime, many work multiple jobs but the use that income to keep a roof over their loved ones heads and food on the table..
Fox hunting as a means of pest control is a bollocks excuse which has been shown to be simply a barbaric pastime..
We live in a pretty rural area surrounded by working farms and there's not been a hunt for several years within quite a large radius and we don't have a fix problem..
Because the pest controllers keep it down effectively, the local gunshop half a mile away is equally busy..
If you want to condem something "barbaric" go and protest outside a Halal slaughterhouse,better still try your luck outside a mosque."
With your use of ""barbaric"", I'm going to wager you don't think it's actually barbaric. If you did, it'd like comparing apples and oranges - a relatively quick way for the animal to die to feed people Vs a torturous fatalistic sport in the name of pest control.
Btw do you know the difference between kosher and halal meat? I'm asking cos you chose "barbaric" halal. |
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"Surely it's just an excuse for a bunch of rich toffs to get together and promote themselves to get on the New Year's honours list? you've definitely never been near one as most are working class
Fella, anyone who owns a horse and all that goes with it costs wise is not working class..why aren't they working class?I know a few that work 2 3 jobs cleaning caring bar work that own horses so what is your idea of working class just those that live on the poverty line.
There's plenty across the country who are hard working and struggling under the current regime, many work multiple jobs but the use that income to keep a roof over their loved ones heads and food on the table..
Fox hunting as a means of pest control is a bollocks excuse which has been shown to be simply a barbaric pastime..
We live in a pretty rural area surrounded by working farms and there's not been a hunt for several years within quite a large radius and we don't have a fix problem..
Because the pest controllers keep it down effectively, the local gunshop half a mile away is equally busy..
If you want to condem something "barbaric" go and protest outside a Halal slaughterhouse,better still try your luck outside a mosque."
You make a good point. All too often, outrage at something or other has to align with a person's agenda. So equally 'outrageous' events get overlooked. As I mentioned above, a cat will kill more mammals and birds in a day than a pack of foxhounds in a year. No protestors yelling in urban gardens though. Your point about ritualised slaughter of animals for consumption is another example. |
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By *irldnCouple 52 weeks ago
Brighton |
"Surely it's just an excuse for a bunch of rich toffs to get together and promote themselves to get on the New Year's honours list? you've definitely never been near one as most are working class
Fella, anyone who owns a horse and all that goes with it costs wise is not working class..why aren't they working class?I know a few that work 2 3 jobs cleaning caring bar work that own horses so what is your idea of working class just those that live on the poverty line.
There's plenty across the country who are hard working and struggling under the current regime, many work multiple jobs but the use that income to keep a roof over their loved ones heads and food on the table..
Fox hunting as a means of pest control is a bollocks excuse which has been shown to be simply a barbaric pastime..
We live in a pretty rural area surrounded by working farms and there's not been a hunt for several years within quite a large radius and we don't have a fix problem..
Because the pest controllers keep it down effectively, the local gunshop half a mile away is equally busy..
If you want to condem something "barbaric" go and protest outside a Halal slaughterhouse,better still try your luck outside a mosque."
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"Surely it's just an excuse for a bunch of rich toffs to get together and promote themselves to get on the New Year's honours list? you've definitely never been near one as most are working class
Fella, anyone who owns a horse and all that goes with it costs wise is not working class..why aren't they working class?I know a few that work 2 3 jobs cleaning caring bar work that own horses so what is your idea of working class just those that live on the poverty line.
There's plenty across the country who are hard working and struggling under the current regime, many work multiple jobs but the use that income to keep a roof over their loved ones heads and food on the table..
Fox hunting as a means of pest control is a bollocks excuse which has been shown to be simply a barbaric pastime..
We live in a pretty rural area surrounded by working farms and there's not been a hunt for several years within quite a large radius and we don't have a fix problem..
Because the pest controllers keep it down effectively, the local gunshop half a mile away is equally busy..
If you want to condem something "barbaric" go and protest outside a Halal slaughterhouse,better still try your luck outside a mosque."
That you think there's a comparison suggests you do a bit more research..
That you think a pack of dogs tearing another animal apart is humane says much.. |
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By *abioMan 52 weeks ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"Surely it's just an excuse for a bunch of rich toffs to get together and promote themselves to get on the New Year's honours list? you've definitely never been near one as most are working class
Fella, anyone who owns a horse and all that goes with it costs wise is not working class..why aren't they working class?I know a few that work 2 3 jobs cleaning caring bar work that own horses so what is your idea of working class just those that live on the poverty line.
There's plenty across the country who are hard working and struggling under the current regime, many work multiple jobs but the use that income to keep a roof over their loved ones heads and food on the table..
Fox hunting as a means of pest control is a bollocks excuse which has been shown to be simply a barbaric pastime..
We live in a pretty rural area surrounded by working farms and there's not been a hunt for several years within quite a large radius and we don't have a fix problem..
Because the pest controllers keep it down effectively, the local gunshop half a mile away is equally busy..
If you want to condem something "barbaric" go and protest outside a Halal slaughterhouse,better still try your luck outside a mosque."
Andy…. Dear Andy… quick question for you?
Before you go down the mosque route and put your foot on a bomb I don’t think you really want to touch…
Do you know what the difference between halal and kosher meat actually is?
The answer….. it’s the prayer said after the animal is killed
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By *abioMan 52 weeks ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"Surely it's just an excuse for a bunch of rich toffs to get together and promote themselves to get on the New Year's honours list? you've definitely never been near one as most are working class
Fella, anyone who owns a horse and all that goes with it costs wise is not working class..why aren't they working class?I know a few that work 2 3 jobs cleaning caring bar work that own horses so what is your idea of working class just those that live on the poverty line.
There's plenty across the country who are hard working and struggling under the current regime, many work multiple jobs but the use that income to keep a roof over their loved ones heads and food on the table..
Fox hunting as a means of pest control is a bollocks excuse which has been shown to be simply a barbaric pastime..
We live in a pretty rural area surrounded by working farms and there's not been a hunt for several years within quite a large radius and we don't have a fix problem..
Because the pest controllers keep it down effectively, the local gunshop half a mile away is equally busy..
If you want to condem something "barbaric" go and protest outside a Halal slaughterhouse,better still try your luck outside a mosque.
With your use of ""barbaric"", I'm going to wager you don't think it's actually barbaric. If you did, it'd like comparing apples and oranges - a relatively quick way for the animal to die to feed people Vs a torturous fatalistic sport in the name of pest control.
Btw do you know the difference between kosher and halal meat? I'm asking cos you chose "barbaric" halal. "
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"Surely it's just an excuse for a bunch of rich toffs to get together and promote themselves to get on the New Year's honours list? you've definitely never been near one as most are working class
Fella, anyone who owns a horse and all that goes with it costs wise is not working class..why aren't they working class?I know a few that work 2 3 jobs cleaning caring bar work that own horses so what is your idea of working class just those that live on the poverty line.
There's plenty across the country who are hard working and struggling under the current regime, many work multiple jobs but the use that income to keep a roof over their loved ones heads and food on the table..
Fox hunting as a means of pest control is a bollocks excuse which has been shown to be simply a barbaric pastime..
We live in a pretty rural area surrounded by working farms and there's not been a hunt for several years within quite a large radius and we don't have a fix problem..
Because the pest controllers keep it down effectively, the local gunshop half a mile away is equally busy..
If you want to condem something "barbaric" go and protest outside a Halal slaughterhouse,better still try your luck outside a mosque."
Excellent slide into some classic anti-Muslim sentiment. |
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"Surely it's just an excuse for a bunch of rich toffs to get together and promote themselves to get on the New Year's honours list? you've definitely never been near one as most are working class
Fella, anyone who owns a horse and all that goes with it costs wise is not working class..why aren't they working class?I know a few that work 2 3 jobs cleaning caring bar work that own horses so what is your idea of working class just those that live on the poverty line.
There's plenty across the country who are hard working and struggling under the current regime, many work multiple jobs but the use that income to keep a roof over their loved ones heads and food on the table..
Fox hunting as a means of pest control is a bollocks excuse which has been shown to be simply a barbaric pastime..
We live in a pretty rural area surrounded by working farms and there's not been a hunt for several years within quite a large radius and we don't have a fix problem..
Because the pest controllers keep it down effectively, the local gunshop half a mile away is equally busy..
If you want to condem something "barbaric" go and protest outside a Halal slaughterhouse,better still try your luck outside a mosque.
Excellent slide into some classic anti-Muslim sentiment. "
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Excellent slide into some typical unwarranted accusation of 'racism' |
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By *abioMan 52 weeks ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"Surely it's just an excuse for a bunch of rich toffs to get together and promote themselves to get on the New Year's honours list? you've definitely never been near one as most are working class
Fella, anyone who owns a horse and all that goes with it costs wise is not working class..why aren't they working class?I know a few that work 2 3 jobs cleaning caring bar work that own horses so what is your idea of working class just those that live on the poverty line.
There's plenty across the country who are hard working and struggling under the current regime, many work multiple jobs but the use that income to keep a roof over their loved ones heads and food on the table..
Fox hunting as a means of pest control is a bollocks excuse which has been shown to be simply a barbaric pastime..
We live in a pretty rural area surrounded by working farms and there's not been a hunt for several years within quite a large radius and we don't have a fix problem..
Because the pest controllers keep it down effectively, the local gunshop half a mile away is equally busy..
If you want to condem something "barbaric" go and protest outside a Halal slaughterhouse,better still try your luck outside a mosque.
Excellent slide into some classic anti-Muslim sentiment.
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Excellent slide into some typical unwarranted accusation of 'racism' "
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Well…. To be fair it’s was either casual racism….or gross ignorance
And since he brought it to the conversation… which do you think it was?
Racism… or stupidity! |
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"Surely it's just an excuse for a bunch of rich toffs to get together and promote themselves to get on the New Year's honours list? you've definitely never been near one as most are working class
Fella, anyone who owns a horse and all that goes with it costs wise is not working class..why aren't they working class?I know a few that work 2 3 jobs cleaning caring bar work that own horses so what is your idea of working class just those that live on the poverty line.
There's plenty across the country who are hard working and struggling under the current regime, many work multiple jobs but the use that income to keep a roof over their loved ones heads and food on the table..
Fox hunting as a means of pest control is a bollocks excuse which has been shown to be simply a barbaric pastime..
We live in a pretty rural area surrounded by working farms and there's not been a hunt for several years within quite a large radius and we don't have a fix problem..
Because the pest controllers keep it down effectively, the local gunshop half a mile away is equally busy..
If you want to condem something "barbaric" go and protest outside a Halal slaughterhouse,better still try your luck outside a mosque.
With your use of ""barbaric"", I'm going to wager you don't think it's actually barbaric. If you did, it'd like comparing apples and oranges - a relatively quick way for the animal to die to feed people Vs a torturous fatalistic sport in the name of pest control.
Btw do you know the difference between kosher and halal meat? I'm asking cos you chose "barbaric" halal.
And this will teach me to read till the end of a thread damn.. spoiled the giveaway! Sorry Amalie "
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By *irldnCouple 52 weeks ago
Brighton |
"Does anyone think the dispatching of animals by Halal or Kosher slaughter is humane? "
Nope it certainly isn’t. Cutting the jugular and letting the animal bleed to death is awful. In the UK producers of Halal and Kosher meet are required to stun the animal first.
Still not remotely a comparison to fox hunting. False equivalence. |
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By *irldnCouple 52 weeks ago
Brighton |
"Does anyone think the dispatching of animals by Halal or Kosher slaughter is humane?
Nope it certainly isn’t. Cutting the jugular and letting the animal bleed to death is awful. In the UK producers of Halal and Kosher meet are required to stun the animal first.
Still not remotely a comparison to fox hunting. False equivalence. "
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By *otMe66Man 52 weeks ago
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"Does anyone think the dispatching of animals by Halal or Kosher slaughter is humane?
Nope it certainly isn’t. Cutting the jugular and letting the animal bleed to death is awful. In the UK producers of Halal and Kosher meet are required to stun the animal first.
Still not remotely a comparison to fox hunting. False equivalence. "
To you it might not be a comparison, but others will feel very differently.. In fact they could put all animal slaughter into the same heading of inhumane, whereas you are happier distinguish between slaughter methods as long as it complies with your morals. |
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By *abioMan 52 weeks ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"So now it's racist to think Halal slaughter is barbaric?
I'm losing track of what's racist and what isn't "
I think it was the fact he specifically has a go and linked it mosques.. probably being ignorant to not knowing that meat for Muslims and meat for Jewish people is produced in exactly the same way
So are we basing his quote on casual racism or abject ignorance and stupidity
Pick your poison…. Which one should we choose? |
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By *abioMan 52 weeks ago
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"Does anyone think the dispatching of animals by Halal or Kosher slaughter is humane?
Nope it certainly isn’t. Cutting the jugular and letting the animal bleed to death is awful. In the UK producers of Halal and Kosher meet are required to stun the animal first.
Still not remotely a comparison to fox hunting. False equivalence.
To you it might not be a comparison, but others will feel very differently.. In fact they could put all animal slaughter into the same heading of inhumane, whereas you are happier distinguish between slaughter methods as long as it complies with your morals."
So now we are shifting the subject…. That’s an interesting defence to the post that shifted it in this direction!
So let’s ask a question… do you think the original statement that brought it this way is warranted?
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By *otMe66Man 52 weeks ago
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"Does anyone think the dispatching of animals by Halal or Kosher slaughter is humane?
Nope it certainly isn’t. Cutting the jugular and letting the animal bleed to death is awful. In the UK producers of Halal and Kosher meet are required to stun the animal first.
Still not remotely a comparison to fox hunting. False equivalence.
To you it might not be a comparison, but others will feel very differently.. In fact they could put all animal slaughter into the same heading of inhumane, whereas you are happier distinguish between slaughter methods as long as it complies with your morals.
So now we are shifting the subject…. That’s an interesting defence to the post that shifted it in this direction!
So let’s ask a question… do you think the original statement that brought it this way is warranted?
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The poster who made those comments mentioned protesting about barbaric treatment of animals, protest at the slaughter house, or a mosque. Both places have a link to Halal, the slaughter of and consumption of, so a valid statement and not something I would call racist.
The question is should he have named all slaughter methods and their origins or hinted at the methods to pacify people looking to be offended? I'm pretty confident I will now have faux offended someone by trying to explain his words. |
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"So now it's racist to think Halal slaughter is barbaric?
I'm losing track of what's racist and what isn't
I think it was the fact he specifically has a go and linked it mosques.. probably being ignorant to not knowing that meat for Muslims and meat for Jewish people is produced in exactly the same way
So are we basing his quote on casual racism or abject ignorance and stupidity
Pick your poison…. Which one should we choose? "
He did link halal to mosques and muslims, the link is legit.
What exactly does his comment have to do with Jews and Kosher?
I guarantee if he had said kosher and synagogue, there would have been no call of racism. |
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"Does anyone think the dispatching of animals by Halal or Kosher slaughter is humane?
Nope it certainly isn’t. Cutting the jugular and letting the animal bleed to death is awful. In the UK producers of Halal and Kosher meet are required to stun the animal first.
Still not remotely a comparison to fox hunting. False equivalence.
To you it might not be a comparison, but others will feel very differently.. In fact they could put all animal slaughter into the same heading of inhumane, whereas you are happier distinguish between slaughter methods as long as it complies with your morals.
So now we are shifting the subject…. That’s an interesting defence to the post that shifted it in this direction!
So let’s ask a question… do you think the original statement that brought it this way is warranted?
The poster who made those comments mentioned protesting about barbaric treatment of animals, protest at the slaughter house, or a mosque. Both places have a link to Halal, the slaughter of and consumption of, so a valid statement and not something I would call racist.
The question is should he have named all slaughter methods and their origins or hinted at the methods to pacify people looking to be offended? I'm pretty confident I will now have faux offended someone by trying to explain his words."
The poster hasn't returned with a response - so no point speculating whether it's racism or not. |
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By *otMe66Man 52 weeks ago
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"Does anyone think the dispatching of animals by Halal or Kosher slaughter is humane?
Nope it certainly isn’t. Cutting the jugular and letting the animal bleed to death is awful. In the UK producers of Halal and Kosher meet are required to stun the animal first.
Still not remotely a comparison to fox hunting. False equivalence.
To you it might not be a comparison, but others will feel very differently.. In fact they could put all animal slaughter into the same heading of inhumane, whereas you are happier distinguish between slaughter methods as long as it complies with your morals.
So now we are shifting the subject…. That’s an interesting defence to the post that shifted it in this direction!
So let’s ask a question… do you think the original statement that brought it this way is warranted?
The poster who made those comments mentioned protesting about barbaric treatment of animals, protest at the slaughter house, or a mosque. Both places have a link to Halal, the slaughter of and consumption of, so a valid statement and not something I would call racist.
The question is should he have named all slaughter methods and their origins or hinted at the methods to pacify people looking to be offended? I'm pretty confident I will now have faux offended someone by trying to explain his words.
The poster hasn't returned with a response - so no point speculating whether it's racism or not."
I agree and hence my post, because posters here responded that it was racist...
It happens all the time in this forum, any chance at calling something racist and it is grabbed with the force of a scent hound hunting a fox, with the intention of ripping the poster to bits. |
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By (user no longer on site) 52 weeks ago
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"Does anyone think the dispatching of animals by Halal or Kosher slaughter is humane?
Nope it certainly isn’t. Cutting the jugular and letting the animal bleed to death is awful. In the UK producers of Halal and Kosher meet are required to stun the animal first.
Still not remotely a comparison to fox hunting. False equivalence.
To you it might not be a comparison, but others will feel very differently.. In fact they could put all animal slaughter into the same heading of inhumane, whereas you are happier distinguish between slaughter methods as long as it complies with your morals.
So now we are shifting the subject…. That’s an interesting defence to the post that shifted it in this direction!
So let’s ask a question… do you think the original statement that brought it this way is warranted?
The poster who made those comments mentioned protesting about barbaric treatment of animals, protest at the slaughter house, or a mosque. Both places have a link to Halal, the slaughter of and consumption of, so a valid statement and not something I would call racist.
The question is should he have named all slaughter methods and their origins or hinted at the methods to pacify people looking to be offended? I'm pretty confident I will now have faux offended someone by trying to explain his words."
Yes but to err is human..
Anyway yes I would say not despatching an animal by the quickest means is needlessly cruel.. for any reason
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The RSPCA has an article about animal slaughter. Although UK legislation insists on stunning the animal, halal and kosher preparation are exempt.
It takes sheep about 7 seconds to bleed out and cattle up to 40 seconds. |
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By *irldnCouple 52 weeks ago
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"The RSPCA has an article about animal slaughter. Although UK legislation insists on stunning the animal, halal and kosher preparation are exempt.
It takes sheep about 7 seconds to bleed out and cattle up to 40 seconds."
Oh, I read that in the UK neither halal or kosher are exempt from first stunning the animal. |
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By *irldnCouple 52 weeks ago
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"Does anyone think the dispatching of animals by Halal or Kosher slaughter is humane?
Nope it certainly isn’t. Cutting the jugular and letting the animal bleed to death is awful. In the UK producers of Halal and Kosher meet are required to stun the animal first.
Still not remotely a comparison to fox hunting. False equivalence.
To you it might not be a comparison, but others will feel very differently.. In fact they could put all animal slaughter into the same heading of inhumane, whereas you are happier distinguish between slaughter methods as long as it complies with your morals."
Do they? A vegan may argue killing an animal for food using any method is cruel but I would be interested to know whether they consider there to be different levels of cruelty.
I would argue it is less cruel to stun an animal as it has no further suffering. Chasing a fox through the countryside with a pack of hounds and horse riders, prolonging the foxes’ terror then when captured letting it get ripped to pieces (while still alive) is demonstrably more cruel. |
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By *otMe66Man 52 weeks ago
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"Does anyone think the dispatching of animals by Halal or Kosher slaughter is humane?
Nope it certainly isn’t. Cutting the jugular and letting the animal bleed to death is awful. In the UK producers of Halal and Kosher meet are required to stun the animal first.
Still not remotely a comparison to fox hunting. False equivalence.
To you it might not be a comparison, but others will feel very differently.. In fact they could put all animal slaughter into the same heading of inhumane, whereas you are happier distinguish between slaughter methods as long as it complies with your morals.
Do they? A vegan may argue killing an animal for food using any method is cruel but I would be interested to know whether they consider there to be different levels of cruelty.
I would argue it is less cruel to stun an animal as it has no further suffering. Chasing a fox through the countryside with a pack of hounds and horse riders, prolonging the foxes’ terror then when captured letting it get ripped to pieces (while still alive) is demonstrably more cruel."
You are arguing what you think is more acceptable again.
Cutting the throats of millions of animal and letting them bleed out, is less cruel than chasing a single number foxes until destroyed by hounds.
Both could and are seen as barbaric and there is no room for either in today’s society in my opinion.
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"Does anyone think the dispatching of animals by Halal or Kosher slaughter is humane?
Nope it certainly isn’t. Cutting the jugular and letting the animal bleed to death is awful. In the UK producers of Halal and Kosher meet are required to stun the animal first.
Still not remotely a comparison to fox hunting. False equivalence.
To you it might not be a comparison, but others will feel very differently.. In fact they could put all animal slaughter into the same heading of inhumane, whereas you are happier distinguish between slaughter methods as long as it complies with your morals.
Do they? A vegan may argue killing an animal for food using any method is cruel but I would be interested to know whether they consider there to be different levels of cruelty.
I would argue it is less cruel to stun an animal as it has no further suffering. Chasing a fox through the countryside with a pack of hounds and horse riders, prolonging the foxes’ terror then when captured letting it get ripped to pieces (while still alive) is demonstrably more cruel."
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"Ride without dogs or further harm to animals and the environment "
I do kind of like the compromise let them ride to keep the tradition but not with the dogs.
But would the anti hunt except that as a compromise.
To meny fox'S are a pain in the countryside and do need to be controlled but hunting is out dated. |
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By *otMe66Man 52 weeks ago
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"Ride without dogs or further harm to animals and the environment
I do kind of like the compromise let them ride to keep the tradition but not with the dogs.
But would the anti hunt except that as a compromise.
To meny fox'S are a pain in the countryside and do need to be controlled but hunting is out dated."
The fox hunt is a traditional thing, the culling of foxes goes on all year, especially around lambing season. 450K are shot each year I believe.
There isn’t a need to carry out the tradition, it serves little purpose other than to keep it going. The same can be said for Halal and Kosher slaughter, no need other than to keep a tradition alive. |
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By *irldnCouple 52 weeks ago
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"Does anyone think the dispatching of animals by Halal or Kosher slaughter is humane?
Nope it certainly isn’t. Cutting the jugular and letting the animal bleed to death is awful. In the UK producers of Halal and Kosher meet are required to stun the animal first.
Still not remotely a comparison to fox hunting. False equivalence.
To you it might not be a comparison, but others will feel very differently.. In fact they could put all animal slaughter into the same heading of inhumane, whereas you are happier distinguish between slaughter methods as long as it complies with your morals.
Do they? A vegan may argue killing an animal for food using any method is cruel but I would be interested to know whether they consider there to be different levels of cruelty.
I would argue it is less cruel to stun an animal as it has no further suffering. Chasing a fox through the countryside with a pack of hounds and horse riders, prolonging the foxes’ terror then when captured letting it get ripped to pieces (while still alive) is demonstrably more cruel.
You are arguing what you think is more acceptable again.
Cutting the throats of millions of animal and letting them bleed out, is less cruel than chasing a single number foxes until destroyed by hounds.
Both could and are seen as barbaric and there is no room for either in today’s society in my opinion.
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No because I said “I would argue it is less cruel to stun an animal as it has no further suffering.”
Cutting the animal’s throat while conscious so it bleeds out is not the same as stunning it first. |
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By *irldnCouple 52 weeks ago
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"Does anyone think the dispatching of animals by Halal or Kosher slaughter is humane?
Nope it certainly isn’t. Cutting the jugular and letting the animal bleed to death is awful. In the UK producers of Halal and Kosher meet are required to stun the animal first.
Still not remotely a comparison to fox hunting. False equivalence.
To you it might not be a comparison, but others will feel very differently.. In fact they could put all animal slaughter into the same heading of inhumane, whereas you are happier distinguish between slaughter methods as long as it complies with your morals.
Do they? A vegan may argue killing an animal for food using any method is cruel but I would be interested to know whether they consider there to be different levels of cruelty.
I would argue it is less cruel to stun an animal as it has no further suffering. Chasing a fox through the countryside with a pack of hounds and horse riders, prolonging the foxes’ terror then when captured letting it get ripped to pieces (while still alive) is demonstrably more cruel.
I'm not sure I'd choose being constrained and having my throat slit over running free from a pack of dogs. Equally grim I'd have thought."
Did people lose their ability to read over xmas? I clearly said “I would argue it is less cruel to stun an animal as it has no further suffering” |
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By *otMe66Man 52 weeks ago
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"Does anyone think the dispatching of animals by Halal or Kosher slaughter is humane?
Nope it certainly isn’t. Cutting the jugular and letting the animal bleed to death is awful. In the UK producers of Halal and Kosher meet are required to stun the animal first.
Still not remotely a comparison to fox hunting. False equivalence.
To you it might not be a comparison, but others will feel very differently.. In fact they could put all animal slaughter into the same heading of inhumane, whereas you are happier distinguish between slaughter methods as long as it complies with your morals.
Do they? A vegan may argue killing an animal for food using any method is cruel but I would be interested to know whether they consider there to be different levels of cruelty.
I would argue it is less cruel to stun an animal as it has no further suffering. Chasing a fox through the countryside with a pack of hounds and horse riders, prolonging the foxes’ terror then when captured letting it get ripped to pieces (while still alive) is demonstrably more cruel.
You are arguing what you think is more acceptable again.
Cutting the throats of millions of animal and letting them bleed out, is less cruel than chasing a single number foxes until destroyed by hounds.
Both could and are seen as barbaric and there is no room for either in today’s society in my opinion.
No because I said “I would argue it is less cruel to stun an animal as it has no further suffering.”
Cutting the animal’s throat while conscious so it bleeds out is not the same as stunning it first."
Which again is your opinion. Do animals wait one at time out of earshot and sight of the stunning or the cutting of the throats?
My point here is simple, your opinion does not trump anyone other as they are on a sliding scale and the majority of people are hypocrites when it comes to such matters, putting their own emotional steer in the mix as they chow down on their meat of choice.
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"Does anyone think the dispatching of animals by Halal or Kosher slaughter is humane?
Nope it certainly isn’t. Cutting the jugular and letting the animal bleed to death is awful. In the UK producers of Halal and Kosher meet are required to stun the animal first.
Still not remotely a comparison to fox hunting. False equivalence.
To you it might not be a comparison, but others will feel very differently.. In fact they could put all animal slaughter into the same heading of inhumane, whereas you are happier distinguish between slaughter methods as long as it complies with your morals.
Do they? A vegan may argue killing an animal for food using any method is cruel but I would be interested to know whether they consider there to be different levels of cruelty.
I would argue it is less cruel to stun an animal as it has no further suffering. Chasing a fox through the countryside with a pack of hounds and horse riders, prolonging the foxes’ terror then when captured letting it get ripped to pieces (while still alive) is demonstrably more cruel.
I'm not sure I'd choose being constrained and having my throat slit over running free from a pack of dogs. Equally grim I'd have thought.
Did people lose their ability to read over xmas? I clearly said “I would argue it is less cruel to stun an animal as it has no further suffering”"
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By *otMe66Man 52 weeks ago
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"Does anyone think the dispatching of animals by Halal or Kosher slaughter is humane?
Nope it certainly isn’t. Cutting the jugular and letting the animal bleed to death is awful. In the UK producers of Halal and Kosher meet are required to stun the animal first.
Still not remotely a comparison to fox hunting. False equivalence.
To you it might not be a comparison, but others will feel very differently.. In fact they could put all animal slaughter into the same heading of inhumane, whereas you are happier distinguish between slaughter methods as long as it complies with your morals.
Do they? A vegan may argue killing an animal for food using any method is cruel but I would be interested to know whether they consider there to be different levels of cruelty.
I would argue it is less cruel to stun an animal as it has no further suffering. Chasing a fox through the countryside with a pack of hounds and horse riders, prolonging the foxes’ terror then when captured letting it get ripped to pieces (while still alive) is demonstrably more cruel.
I'm not sure I'd choose being constrained and having my throat slit over running free from a pack of dogs. Equally grim I'd have thought.
Did people lose their ability to read over xmas? I clearly said “I would argue it is less cruel to stun an animal as it has no further suffering”
Yeah I see yr point on re-reading "
I'm not sure you have misread...
In this part of the conversation there is a clear comparison being made to fox hunting and halal and kosher slaughters.
Information has already been provided that halal and kosher slaughters do not require the animal to be stunned and can be verified on the Gov UK website, so I think your comment was good.
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By *irldnCouple 52 weeks ago
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"Does anyone think the dispatching of animals by Halal or Kosher slaughter is humane?
Nope it certainly isn’t. Cutting the jugular and letting the animal bleed to death is awful. In the UK producers of Halal and Kosher meet are required to stun the animal first.
Still not remotely a comparison to fox hunting. False equivalence.
To you it might not be a comparison, but others will feel very differently.. In fact they could put all animal slaughter into the same heading of inhumane, whereas you are happier distinguish between slaughter methods as long as it complies with your morals.
Do they? A vegan may argue killing an animal for food using any method is cruel but I would be interested to know whether they consider there to be different levels of cruelty.
I would argue it is less cruel to stun an animal as it has no further suffering. Chasing a fox through the countryside with a pack of hounds and horse riders, prolonging the foxes’ terror then when captured letting it get ripped to pieces (while still alive) is demonstrably more cruel.
I'm not sure I'd choose being constrained and having my throat slit over running free from a pack of dogs. Equally grim I'd have thought.
Did people lose their ability to read over xmas? I clearly said “I would argue it is less cruel to stun an animal as it has no further suffering”
Yeah I see yr point on re-reading
I'm not sure you have misread...
In this part of the conversation there is a clear comparison being made to fox hunting and halal and kosher slaughters.
Information has already been provided that halal and kosher slaughters do not require the animal to be stunned and can be verified on the Gov UK website, so I think your comment was good.
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No. I made a statement that was replied to. My statement stands as does my earlier statement further up the thread where I clearly said I thought halal and kosher slaughter was inhumane.
Arguing over opinions is rather silly because this entire thread is people’s opinions.
I think fox hunting is cruel and unnecessary.
I think halal and kosher slaughtering without stunning first is cruel and unnecessary.
But the poster who first brought up halal and suggesting protesting outside a mosque was just doing whataboutism. It changes nothing about fox hunting. |
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Halal kosher and other forms of needless slow deaths are equally bad.
Foxhunting is actually illegal but selfish sadists think they're entitled to do it.
I'd welcome the same for halal and kosher being made illegal but there's always someone who "knows best" |
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By *otMe66Man 52 weeks ago
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"Does anyone think the dispatching of animals by Halal or Kosher slaughter is humane?
Nope it certainly isn’t. Cutting the jugular and letting the animal bleed to death is awful. In the UK producers of Halal and Kosher meet are required to stun the animal first.
Still not remotely a comparison to fox hunting. False equivalence.
To you it might not be a comparison, but others will feel very differently.. In fact they could put all animal slaughter into the same heading of inhumane, whereas you are happier distinguish between slaughter methods as long as it complies with your morals.
Do they? A vegan may argue killing an animal for food using any method is cruel but I would be interested to know whether they consider there to be different levels of cruelty.
I would argue it is less cruel to stun an animal as it has no further suffering. Chasing a fox through the countryside with a pack of hounds and horse riders, prolonging the foxes’ terror then when captured letting it get ripped to pieces (while still alive) is demonstrably more cruel.
I'm not sure I'd choose being constrained and having my throat slit over running free from a pack of dogs. Equally grim I'd have thought.
Did people lose their ability to read over xmas? I clearly said “I would argue it is less cruel to stun an animal as it has no further suffering”
Yeah I see yr point on re-reading
I'm not sure you have misread...
In this part of the conversation there is a clear comparison being made to fox hunting and halal and kosher slaughters.
Information has already been provided that halal and kosher slaughters do not require the animal to be stunned and can be verified on the Gov UK website, so I think your comment was good.
No. I made a statement that was replied to. My statement stands as does my earlier statement further up the thread where I clearly said I thought halal and kosher slaughter was inhumane.
Arguing over opinions is rather silly because this entire thread is people’s opinions.
I think fox hunting is cruel and unnecessary.
I think halal and kosher slaughtering without stunning first is cruel and unnecessary.
But the poster who first brought up halal and suggesting protesting outside a mosque was just doing whataboutism. It changes nothing about fox hunting."
The poster who mentioned halal and mosques did so by calling out that it too was inhumane, many here jumped on the racist bandwagon, however reading these posts everyone is in agreement, it is inhumane.
If only people could stop pressing the nuclear button in the hope of a virtue signalling win, we could get some decent conversation going. |
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By *otMe66Man 52 weeks ago
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"Halal kosher and other forms of needless slow deaths are equally bad.
Foxhunting is actually illegal but selfish sadists think they're entitled to do it.
I'd welcome the same for halal and kosher being made illegal but there's always someone who "knows best""
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By *irldnCouple 52 weeks ago
Brighton |
"Does anyone think the dispatching of animals by Halal or Kosher slaughter is humane?
Nope it certainly isn’t. Cutting the jugular and letting the animal bleed to death is awful. In the UK producers of Halal and Kosher meet are required to stun the animal first.
Still not remotely a comparison to fox hunting. False equivalence.
To you it might not be a comparison, but others will feel very differently.. In fact they could put all animal slaughter into the same heading of inhumane, whereas you are happier distinguish between slaughter methods as long as it complies with your morals.
Do they? A vegan may argue killing an animal for food using any method is cruel but I would be interested to know whether they consider there to be different levels of cruelty.
I would argue it is less cruel to stun an animal as it has no further suffering. Chasing a fox through the countryside with a pack of hounds and horse riders, prolonging the foxes’ terror then when captured letting it get ripped to pieces (while still alive) is demonstrably more cruel.
I'm not sure I'd choose being constrained and having my throat slit over running free from a pack of dogs. Equally grim I'd have thought.
Did people lose their ability to read over xmas? I clearly said “I would argue it is less cruel to stun an animal as it has no further suffering”
Yeah I see yr point on re-reading
I'm not sure you have misread...
In this part of the conversation there is a clear comparison being made to fox hunting and halal and kosher slaughters.
Information has already been provided that halal and kosher slaughters do not require the animal to be stunned and can be verified on the Gov UK website, so I think your comment was good.
No. I made a statement that was replied to. My statement stands as does my earlier statement further up the thread where I clearly said I thought halal and kosher slaughter was inhumane.
Arguing over opinions is rather silly because this entire thread is people’s opinions.
I think fox hunting is cruel and unnecessary.
I think halal and kosher slaughtering without stunning first is cruel and unnecessary.
But the poster who first brought up halal and suggesting protesting outside a mosque was just doing whataboutism. It changes nothing about fox hunting.
The poster who mentioned halal and mosques did so by calling out that it too was inhumane, many here jumped on the racist bandwagon, however reading these posts everyone is in agreement, it is inhumane.
If only people could stop pressing the nuclear button in the hope of a virtue signalling win, we could get some decent conversation going. "
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By *otMe66Man 52 weeks ago
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"Does anyone think the dispatching of animals by Halal or Kosher slaughter is humane?
Nope it certainly isn’t. Cutting the jugular and letting the animal bleed to death is awful. In the UK producers of Halal and Kosher meet are required to stun the animal first.
Still not remotely a comparison to fox hunting. False equivalence.
To you it might not be a comparison, but others will feel very differently.. In fact they could put all animal slaughter into the same heading of inhumane, whereas you are happier distinguish between slaughter methods as long as it complies with your morals.
Do they? A vegan may argue killing an animal for food using any method is cruel but I would be interested to know whether they consider there to be different levels of cruelty.
I would argue it is less cruel to stun an animal as it has no further suffering. Chasing a fox through the countryside with a pack of hounds and horse riders, prolonging the foxes’ terror then when captured letting it get ripped to pieces (while still alive) is demonstrably more cruel.
I'm not sure I'd choose being constrained and having my throat slit over running free from a pack of dogs. Equally grim I'd have thought.
Did people lose their ability to read over xmas? I clearly said “I would argue it is less cruel to stun an animal as it has no further suffering”
Yeah I see yr point on re-reading
I'm not sure you have misread...
In this part of the conversation there is a clear comparison being made to fox hunting and halal and kosher slaughters.
Information has already been provided that halal and kosher slaughters do not require the animal to be stunned and can be verified on the Gov UK website, so I think your comment was good.
No. I made a statement that was replied to. My statement stands as does my earlier statement further up the thread where I clearly said I thought halal and kosher slaughter was inhumane.
Arguing over opinions is rather silly because this entire thread is people’s opinions.
I think fox hunting is cruel and unnecessary.
I think halal and kosher slaughtering without stunning first is cruel and unnecessary.
But the poster who first brought up halal and suggesting protesting outside a mosque was just doing whataboutism. It changes nothing about fox hunting.
The poster who mentioned halal and mosques did so by calling out that it too was inhumane, many here jumped on the racist bandwagon, however reading these posts everyone is in agreement, it is inhumane.
If only people could stop pressing the nuclear button in the hope of a virtue signalling win, we could get some decent conversation going.
The “R” word was not typed anywhere by me!"
I see you too are suffering from the can't read after xmas bug
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"Bunch of twats who would shit themselves if they needed to face the same odds the fox had to. Wankers the lot of them. Totally unnecessary cruelty. Ban it."
Indeed, give them a befitting end
Send them to Hamas. |
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"Bunch of twats who would shit themselves if they needed to face the same odds the fox had to. Wankers the lot of them. Totally unnecessary cruelty. Ban it.
Indeed, give them a befitting end
Send them to Hamas. "
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By *irldnCouple 52 weeks ago
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"Does anyone think the dispatching of animals by Halal or Kosher slaughter is humane?
Nope it certainly isn’t. Cutting the jugular and letting the animal bleed to death is awful. In the UK producers of Halal and Kosher meet are required to stun the animal first.
Still not remotely a comparison to fox hunting. False equivalence.
To you it might not be a comparison, but others will feel very differently.. In fact they could put all animal slaughter into the same heading of inhumane, whereas you are happier distinguish between slaughter methods as long as it complies with your morals.
Do they? A vegan may argue killing an animal for food using any method is cruel but I would be interested to know whether they consider there to be different levels of cruelty.
I would argue it is less cruel to stun an animal as it has no further suffering. Chasing a fox through the countryside with a pack of hounds and horse riders, prolonging the foxes’ terror then when captured letting it get ripped to pieces (while still alive) is demonstrably more cruel.
I'm not sure I'd choose being constrained and having my throat slit over running free from a pack of dogs. Equally grim I'd have thought.
Did people lose their ability to read over xmas? I clearly said “I would argue it is less cruel to stun an animal as it has no further suffering”
Yeah I see yr point on re-reading
I'm not sure you have misread...
In this part of the conversation there is a clear comparison being made to fox hunting and halal and kosher slaughters.
Information has already been provided that halal and kosher slaughters do not require the animal to be stunned and can be verified on the Gov UK website, so I think your comment was good.
No. I made a statement that was replied to. My statement stands as does my earlier statement further up the thread where I clearly said I thought halal and kosher slaughter was inhumane.
Arguing over opinions is rather silly because this entire thread is people’s opinions.
I think fox hunting is cruel and unnecessary.
I think halal and kosher slaughtering without stunning first is cruel and unnecessary.
But the poster who first brought up halal and suggesting protesting outside a mosque was just doing whataboutism. It changes nothing about fox hunting.
The poster who mentioned halal and mosques did so by calling out that it too was inhumane, many here jumped on the racist bandwagon, however reading these posts everyone is in agreement, it is inhumane.
If only people could stop pressing the nuclear button in the hope of a virtue signalling win, we could get some decent conversation going.
The “R” word was not typed anywhere by me!
I see you too are suffering from the can't read after xmas bug
I said many here and if only people. If I was referring to you I would have said you "
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"Surely it's just an excuse for a bunch of rich toffs to get together and promote themselves to get on the New Year's honours list? you've definitely never been near one as most are working class
Fella, anyone who owns a horse and all that goes with it costs wise is not working class.."
My friend keeps horses. She works in the local chippy and I'm sure she'd be OK with me saying she's as common as muck, she's definitely and 100 percent working class.
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"Surely it's just an excuse for a bunch of rich toffs to get together and promote themselves to get on the New Year's honours list? you've definitely never been near one as most are working class
Fella, anyone who owns a horse and all that goes with it costs wise is not working class..
My friend keeps horses. She works in the local chippy and I'm sure she'd be OK with me saying she's as common as muck, she's definitely and 100 percent working class.
You don't get out to the green much I guess. "
No mate, this high rise takes so long to walk down it's time to climb back up..
The point is the poster is saying 'most' who attend the fox hunts are working class which is simply not the case.. |
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"Surely it's just an excuse for a bunch of rich toffs to get together and promote themselves to get on the New Year's honours list? you've definitely never been near one as most are working class
Fella, anyone who owns a horse and all that goes with it costs wise is not working class..
My friend keeps horses. She works in the local chippy and I'm sure she'd be OK with me saying she's as common as muck, she's definitely and 100 percent working class.
You don't get out to the green much I guess.
No mate, this high rise takes so long to walk down it's time to climb back up..
The point is the poster is saying 'most' who attend the fox hunts are working class which is simply not the case.."
I used to go fairly regularly when my dad was alive, and a great deal of them are. Most I attended were populated with folks who had to go back to work on a Monday. |
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By *otMe66Man 52 weeks ago
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"Surely it's just an excuse for a bunch of rich toffs to get together and promote themselves to get on the New Year's honours list? you've definitely never been near one as most are working class
Fella, anyone who owns a horse and all that goes with it costs wise is not working class..
My friend keeps horses. She works in the local chippy and I'm sure she'd be OK with me saying she's as common as muck, she's definitely and 100 percent working class.
You don't get out to the green much I guess.
No mate, this high rise takes so long to walk down it's time to climb back up..
The point is the poster is saying 'most' who attend the fox hunts are working class which is simply not the case..
I used to go fairly regularly when my dad was alive, and a great deal of them are. Most I attended were populated with folks who had to go back to work on a Monday."
Which supports the fact it is a tradition and people do like a tradition no matter their social standing.
Times change and some if not all traditions will no longer be thought of as apt or prevalent to the time and they will lose appeal.
Fox hunting has got to that point |
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"Surely it's just an excuse for a bunch of rich toffs to get together and promote themselves to get on the New Year's honours list? you've definitely never been near one as most are working class
Fella, anyone who owns a horse and all that goes with it costs wise is not working class..
My friend keeps horses. She works in the local chippy and I'm sure she'd be OK with me saying she's as common as muck, she's definitely and 100 percent working class.
You don't get out to the green much I guess.
No mate, this high rise takes so long to walk down it's time to climb back up..
The point is the poster is saying 'most' who attend the fox hunts are working class which is simply not the case..
I used to go fairly regularly when my dad was alive, and a great deal of them are. Most I attended were populated with folks who had to go back to work on a Monday.
Which supports the fact it is a tradition and people do like a tradition no matter their social standing.
Times change and some if not all traditions will no longer be thought of as apt or prevalent to the time and they will lose appeal.
Fox hunting has got to that point"
some places yes I can see it even here but there is other things to hunt hares rabbits dear squirrels badgers pheasants grouse I sit on a Saturday and Sunday loads of youngsters walk past all kitted up lurchers terriers seems very popular im more clays on a Sunday now. |
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"The poster who mentioned halal and mosques did so by calling out that it too was inhumane, many here jumped on the racist bandwagon, however reading these posts everyone is in agreement, it is inhumane.
If only people could stop pressing the nuclear button in the hope of a virtue signalling win, we could get some decent conversation going. "
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I think it should be banned.
I know for a fact lots of local hunts still do it the old fashioned way but claim they don’t.
I’ve been a part of it previously ( as child and avid horse rider- never as an adult) and still have friends who do so. Still think it should be banned. |
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"I think it should be banned.
I know for a fact lots of local hunts still do it the old fashioned way but claim they don’t.
I’ve been a part of it previously ( as child and avid horse rider- never as an adult) and still have friends who do so. Still think it should be banned. "
It is banned. |
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It's a moot point whether fox hunting is any worse than animal welfare we take for granted. Take milk. A cow is forcibly impregnated, then withing hours of birth her calf is removed. She'll never see it again. But the cow is lactating, and the fluids taken twice a day for human consumption. Then when the milk stops the cycle is repeated until the poor animal is taken to the knackers yard. So is that cruel? |
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By *irldnCouple 52 weeks ago
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"It's a moot point whether fox hunting is any worse than animal welfare we take for granted. Take milk. A cow is forcibly impregnated, then withing hours of birth her calf is removed. She'll never see it again. But the cow is lactating, and the fluids taken twice a day for human consumption. Then when the milk stops the cycle is repeated until the poor animal is taken to the knackers yard. So is that cruel?"
A moo point surely?
That aside, it isn’t moot. Just because other things that happen are, or could be, considered cruel, it doesn’t stop fox hunting from being cruel. In fact raising other examples is just whataboutism. |
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"It's a moot point whether fox hunting is any worse than animal welfare we take for granted. Take milk. A cow is forcibly impregnated, then withing hours of birth her calf is removed. She'll never see it again. But the cow is lactating, and the fluids taken twice a day for human consumption. Then when the milk stops the cycle is repeated until the poor animal is taken to the knackers yard. So is that cruel?
A moo point surely?
That aside, it isn’t moot. Just because other things that happen are, or could be, considered cruel, it doesn’t stop fox hunting from being cruel. In fact raising other examples is just whataboutism."
What Bull
Seriously, you could dismiss my point as whataboutism, or equally is it an inconvenient truth? |
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By *irldnCouple 52 weeks ago
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"It's a moot point whether fox hunting is any worse than animal welfare we take for granted. Take milk. A cow is forcibly impregnated, then withing hours of birth her calf is removed. She'll never see it again. But the cow is lactating, and the fluids taken twice a day for human consumption. Then when the milk stops the cycle is repeated until the poor animal is taken to the knackers yard. So is that cruel?
A moo point surely?
That aside, it isn’t moot. Just because other things that happen are, or could be, considered cruel, it doesn’t stop fox hunting from being cruel. In fact raising other examples is just whataboutism.
What Bull
Seriously, you could dismiss my point as whataboutism, or equally is it an inconvenient truth?"
Pull the udder one!
Definitely whataboutism as I don’t see the need to compare one cruel practice with another in an apparent effort to justify why it is ok.
As a completely separate subject, there is an interesting topic of discussion around food awareness. Most people have no idea, or would prefer not to know, how their food is produced. |
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"It's a moot point whether fox hunting is any worse than animal welfare we take for granted. Take milk. A cow is forcibly impregnated, then withing hours of birth her calf is removed. She'll never see it again. But the cow is lactating, and the fluids taken twice a day for human consumption. Then when the milk stops the cycle is repeated until the poor animal is taken to the knackers yard. So is that cruel?"
Very different debates and very different solutions. With animal produce there is a growing group of ethical vegans (who are trying to educate others). With the banned fox hunting, it's instigating law, and continuing protests. |
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I have watched this thread with some amusement particularly my comments aimed at Toffs and the heated discussions that have followed.
It was meant as a light hearted quip with no intention other than to take the piss out of fox hunting.
People really do get far too serious very quickly.
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By *archelCouple 52 weeks ago
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"Ride without dogs or further harm to animals and the environment
I do kind of like the compromise let them ride to keep the tradition but not with the dogs.
But would the anti hunt except that as a compromise.
To meny fox'S are a pain in the countryside and do need to be controlled but hunting is out dated.
The fox hunt is a traditional thing, the culling of foxes goes on all year, especially around lambing season. 450K are shot each year I believe.
There isn’t a need to carry out the tradition, it serves little purpose other than to keep it going. The same can be said for Halal and Kosher slaughter, no need other than to keep a tradition alive."
10 of those foxes were shot on our land last year after our lambs were decimated by them during lambing season. |
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By *otMe66Man 52 weeks ago
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"Ride without dogs or further harm to animals and the environment
I do kind of like the compromise let them ride to keep the tradition but not with the dogs.
But would the anti hunt except that as a compromise.
To meny fox'S are a pain in the countryside and do need to be controlled but hunting is out dated.
The fox hunt is a traditional thing, the culling of foxes goes on all year, especially around lambing season. 450K are shot each year I believe.
There isn’t a need to carry out the tradition, it serves little purpose other than to keep it going. The same can be said for Halal and Kosher slaughter, no need other than to keep a tradition alive.
10 of those foxes were shot on our land last year after our lambs were decimated by them during lambing season."
I don't think many people know about the carnage foxes bring to farms, and how many are out there. |
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By *archelCouple 52 weeks ago
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Bore off. Hunts are drag hunts now...have been since 2004. Yes there's the odd ones who break the law...and rightfully get prosecuted. But the majority abide by the law as they don't want to lose our heritage. Hunted since I was a kid before and after the ban.
Sure as fuck ain't a hoorah Henry toff, working class to the core. Don't have fancy holidays or designer clothes like the 10 Bob millionaires of this world..money goes on my animals.
Tally ho, hunt supporter till I die.
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"Bore off. Hunts are drag hunts now...have been since 2004. Yes there's the odd ones who break the law...and rightfully get prosecuted. But the majority abide by the law as they don't want to lose our heritage. Hunted since I was a kid before and after the ban.
Sure as fuck ain't a hoorah Henry toff, working class to the core. Don't have fancy holidays or designer clothes like the 10 Bob millionaires of this world..money goes on my animals.
Tally ho, hunt supporter till I die.
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"Ride without dogs or further harm to animals and the environment
I do kind of like the compromise let them ride to keep the tradition but not with the dogs.
But would the anti hunt except that as a compromise.
To meny fox'S are a pain in the countryside and do need to be controlled but hunting is out dated.
The fox hunt is a traditional thing, the culling of foxes goes on all year, especially around lambing season. 450K are shot each year I believe.
There isn’t a need to carry out the tradition, it serves little purpose other than to keep it going. The same can be said for Halal and Kosher slaughter, no need other than to keep a tradition alive.
10 of those foxes were shot on our land last year after our lambs were decimated by them during lambing season."
Have to ask why do you not control the fox you self. As a farm dose some one not have a fire arm licence I use a 308. |
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Have to ask why do you not control the fox you self. As a farm dose some one not have a fire arm licence I use a 308."
In someways, using a hunt to control foxes instead of shooting them is akin to using a cat to control mice instead of mousetraps, from the point of view of the victim being killed callously.
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Have to ask why do you not control the fox you self. As a farm dose some one not have a fire arm licence I use a 308.
In someways, using a hunt to control foxes instead of shooting them is akin to using a cat to control mice instead of mousetraps, from the point of view of the victim being killed callously.
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The cat on a farm is still a good tool for rats and mice.
We don't alow the hunt on to the farm but I do shoot fox. To protect live stock. A head shot with a riffle is quick and clean. |
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I'm in a semi rural area, and most of the foxes are living quite close to every day houses, see them most mornings. Though they live on all the dropped food, same as the rats ... if we tidied up, kept every thing safe, maybe ... just maybe vermin wouldn't be that much of a problem
It's easy to blame animals and nature rather then humans
Though do like basil brush and his adult humour |
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